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Credlin | 28 July · Credlin

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Speaker 1: Predo Quidlin live from New twenty four.
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Speaker 2: We're on the same wavelength, Chris Kenny. I've already bought
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Speaker 2: my tickets to the Castle, the play next to April
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Speaker 2: in Melbourne. Good evening, Welcome to the program, big big
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Speaker 2: show for you tonight.
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Speaker 3: He is what's coming up on Credlin. A crazy day
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Speaker 3: in Victorian politics.
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Speaker 2: The new premier in Ben Carroll, but it got messy
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Speaker 2: with a left faction considering a scorched earth approach before
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Speaker 2: they back down. I'll get you up to speed and
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Speaker 2: all the machinations at play, what the Liberals are going
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Speaker 2: to do now and just who is Ben Carroll? The
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Speaker 2: secret files from the ALP conference exposing just how worried
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Speaker 2: everyday rank and file members are about the rise of
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Speaker 2: one nation, not the elites, their rank and file. That's telling.
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Speaker 2: Plus anger in Berlin as details about Islamic state links
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Speaker 2: are revealed, throwing the weekend's terror attack at that gay
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Speaker 2: prior event yet to another stabbing two in Paris. I'll
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Speaker 2: get to the latest spears of islamist a tax mount
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Speaker 2: across Europe and out with.
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Speaker 3: You old, in with the new.
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Speaker 2: But who knew integrity wasn't standard?
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Speaker 4: We are saying enough is enough. In my government, integrity
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Speaker 4: will not be optional.
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Speaker 2: We will stay with that because nothing shows just how
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Speaker 2: arrogant modern labor is than the events of this morning inside.
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Speaker 3: The caucus room in Victoria.
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Speaker 2: We run the show, they said, not voters, we dispatch
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Speaker 2: the leader. They said, not voters, we appoint them too.
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Speaker 3: You don't.
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Speaker 2: As he stood there for his happy snaps with the
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Speaker 2: governor's fill in, most Victorians looked at Ben Carroll and said,
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Speaker 2: who the heck are you?
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Speaker 3: We didn't elect you. We didn't elect just Into.
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Speaker 2: Allen either, but we wanted the right to send her packing,
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Speaker 2: and yet you shot her anyway.
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Speaker 3: And now what you expect us to trust? You?
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Speaker 2: You the bloke that used your own daughter as some
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Speaker 2: sort of human shield a month ago.
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Speaker 5: I want to serve your Cintera Allen, and I want
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Speaker 5: to make sure No.
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Speaker 3: Look that's my people.
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Speaker 5: I've got a young.
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Speaker 4: Daughter at home, and I'm going to be more proud
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Speaker 4: to make sure she grows up knowing that I supported
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Speaker 4: your cinter Allen to be a world class premier and
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Speaker 4: get re elected in her own role.
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Speaker 6: Are you going to try to get the premier's job tomorrow?
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Speaker 7: No?
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Speaker 3: Are you going to ask her to step aside.
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Speaker 5: No, can you look her in the eye so that
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Speaker 5: I can say that Premier?
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Speaker 2: No surprise is there? That was the first question he copped.
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Speaker 2: It is press conference today as Victoria's latest premier.
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Speaker 8: You said six weeks ago that you wanted to support
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Speaker 8: just since Alan to be a world class premier. You
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Speaker 8: mentioned to your daughter as well. What are you going
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Speaker 8: to say to your daughter now that you've ousted the premier?
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Speaker 4: The circumstance has changed. Yesterday morning, I was approached by
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Speaker 4: delegation who asked me to stand for leader. This delegation
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Speaker 4: had already visited the Premier and informed her that they
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Speaker 4: want to change. I'm going to be that change.
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Speaker 3: Now.
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Speaker 2: Remember that phrase very clearly, because what dogged Julia Gillard
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Speaker 2: throughout her sorry time as Prime Minister was her failure
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Speaker 2: to explain to voters just why she knifed first term
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Speaker 2: leader Kevin Rudd.
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Speaker 3: And this will be Carol's.
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Speaker 2: Challenge because right now, the only reason Allan's gone is
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Speaker 2: because of craven self interest Labor MPs fearing that they
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Speaker 2: would lose their seats, knowing that Victorians are ashamed of
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Speaker 2: what Labour's done to their once proud state. So if
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Speaker 2: you think a bit of dex shuffling is going to
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Speaker 2: stop the Titanic sinking, then Labor needs to think again.
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Speaker 2: In a slick and somewhat Smalmi video uploaded just before
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Speaker 2: he was hastily sworn in as the state's fiftieth and
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Speaker 2: most recently unelected premier, Carol said that dumping Allan was
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Speaker 2: to stop one nation, and that was very much what
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Speaker 2: he repeated an hour or so later when he fronted
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Speaker 2: his press conference, his first as a new Victorian premier,
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Speaker 2: and tried to justify the morning's coup.
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Speaker 4: Yesterday, a group of colleagues approached me and informed me
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Speaker 4: that Jacinkter Allen no longer had the support of the caucus.
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Speaker 4: They asked me to put my hand up. This was
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Speaker 4: not an easy decision, but the stakes at this election
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Speaker 4: are too high. Poling says Victoria is on track for
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Speaker 4: Australia's first liberal one nation government. A liberal one nation
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Speaker 4: government that will cut hospitals, cut schools, and cut frontline services.
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Speaker 4: A liberal one nation government that will cut childcare, cut
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Speaker 4: free tape and so many other services Victorians rely on
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Speaker 4: every day. This election. Only Labor can stop the risk
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Speaker 4: of a liberal one nation government.
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Speaker 2: So polling, he says all about saving his political skin,
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Speaker 2: his job. Now, things so desperate that he can't even
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Speaker 2: admit to any failings by Labor. He can't even run
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Speaker 2: the line of contrition out. He can't apologize that somehow
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Speaker 2: Labor's got things wrong, that it's lost its way. We
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Speaker 2: didn't even get that today. Even Gillard didn't gaslight voters
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Speaker 2: as badly as Carol did.
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Speaker 3: This morning.
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Speaker 1: I asked my colleagues to make a leadership change, a
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Speaker 1: change because I believed that a good government was losing
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Speaker 1: its way.
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Speaker 2: Remember that all the Carol could give voters today was
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Speaker 2: this limp line that circumstances had changed and that a
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Speaker 2: delegation had knocked on his door.
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Speaker 3: I mean, please, you've.
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Speaker 1: Promised someone something to their face, haw caning out promise
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Speaker 1: things to victorians.
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Speaker 4: The truth is, the circumstances changed, the circumstances changed.
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Speaker 5: You declared your loyalty to her. At that moment, you
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Speaker 5: were loyal to her.
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Speaker 4: And the circumstances have changed.
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Speaker 7: Had the Premia not.
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Speaker 9: Lost support of her colleagues last.
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Speaker 4: Month, the circumstances changed, the circumstances changed.
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Speaker 2: I mean, it was that line over and over again.
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Speaker 2: You recognize that sort of spin. It's the same spin
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Speaker 2: that Albaneze has been running ever since his budget Shocker, isn't.
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Speaker 10: It we've changed our positions? No, we've changed our position.
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Speaker 11: When you say you changed your position, is that a
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Speaker 11: concession that you lied.
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Speaker 10: At a statement of fact that we have changed our position.
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Speaker 12: Can Australians still trust the things you say?
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Speaker 10: We have changed our position.
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Speaker 2: Circumstances have changed and we've changed our position. Now, on
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Speaker 2: the same day that Victorian Labor was locked in a
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Speaker 2: room and carving up the spoils of power, there was
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Speaker 2: a no confidence motion before the Victorian Parliament. Now I'm
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Speaker 2: sure the irony about this is not lost on voters,
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Speaker 2: because if that no confidence motion had got up, rather
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Speaker 2: than Labour's factional bobber boys yet again choosing the premiere,
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Speaker 2: Victorians would have got an early election and democracy would
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Speaker 2: have made the call, not Labour's faceless men. Instead, we're
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Speaker 2: seeing a rerun of the cancer that's bedeviled our politics,
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Speaker 2: state and federal over the past fifteen years, ever since
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Speaker 2: agreed Gillard rolled a first term PM and set us
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Speaker 2: down a path of instability and chaos.
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Speaker 3: And it's both sides.
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Speaker 2: It's both sides of politics here that wear the blame,
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Speaker 2: not just labor. You want to know why voters think
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Speaker 2: the system's broken, This is why you want to know
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Speaker 2: why voters don't trust the major parties who treat power
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Speaker 2: as some sort of personal fifetom. Well, this is why
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Speaker 2: three Labor leaders in this term of parliament in Victoria,
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Speaker 2: the three Liberal leaders too. For if you count the
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Speaker 2: bloke you lost the last election in twenty twenty two.
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Speaker 2: So the Lips can't get cocky here either. So what
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Speaker 2: happens now? Well, in a move that I said would
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Speaker 2: be number one in his playbook, Carol moved fast to
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Speaker 2: distance himself from the rotten era of Dan Andrews and
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Speaker 2: just into Allan.
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Speaker 4: I am not Daniel Andrews. I am not just Sinter Allen.
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Speaker 4: I will do things differently because different times require a
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Speaker 4: new approach.
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Speaker 2: And look, as I listened to that from Carol today,
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Speaker 2: another labor leader came to mind, also installed by factional
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Speaker 2: warlords just months out from a state election.
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Speaker 1: I am nobody's puppets, I am nobody's protege.
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Speaker 13: I am nobody's girl.
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Speaker 2: Now, coming from the right as he does, Carol will
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Speaker 2: benefit from the fact that both his predecessors were out
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Speaker 2: of Labour's dominant left faction.
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Speaker 3: But what will.
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Speaker 2: Dog him is his role as both a senior cabinet
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Speaker 2: minister and later the party's deputy for a good part
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Speaker 2: of those terrible years. Now he's been in the Justice
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Speaker 2: portfolio in crime prevention they call it, even though crime
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Speaker 2: is rampant, corrections and victims support in a state, as
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Speaker 2: I say, where crime is an epidemic. He's been a
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Speaker 2: minister for well, that's a joke as well, meaning he
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Speaker 2: can run, but it can't hide.
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Speaker 14: Different leader, sure, but same corruption, same crime, same debt,
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Speaker 14: same waste, same potholes, same failed services, same old Labor.
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Speaker 13: Now.
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Speaker 2: Look, the other important thing that happened today is that
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Speaker 2: Carol used his first very brief press conference to announce
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Speaker 2: that there would finally be a Royal commission into the
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Speaker 2: state's controversial big build and corruption industry construction.
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Speaker 3: I should say that's fraudian, isn't it. Now?
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Speaker 2: I said he would do that, and here's why he'll
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Speaker 2: do it because anounzigret now means that Labor will choose
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Speaker 2: the Royal commissioner. Labor will also set the terms of reference.
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Speaker 2: He's not doing it because Victorians deserve the truth. He's
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Speaker 2: doing it now while they're in government, to ensure that
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Speaker 2: we never get the truth, just like Daniel Andrews and
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Speaker 2: is a bullshit toothless inquiry into hotel quarantine during COVID.
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Speaker 13: I can't specifically recall. I can't recall. I presume I did.
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Speaker 11: I don't recall the conversation, and I have.
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Speaker 7: Some memory, but not for memory.
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Speaker 12: I don't recall specifically, not to my recollection.
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Speaker 5: I have no recollection of that.
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Speaker 13: I can't specifically recall.
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Speaker 2: Carol was there for all of that. Don't forget that now.
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Speaker 2: Out of a chaotic day in Melbourne, perhaps the biggest
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Speaker 2: blunder of all came from many miles away from the
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Speaker 2: Prime Minister standing up at a press conference wa at
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Speaker 2: a farewell that failed just into Alan Albanezy then ripped
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Speaker 2: into the Liberal Party, accusing them of being a party
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Speaker 2: of chaos at the very time that his own Labor
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Speaker 2: and piece were still locked in a room brawling over
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Speaker 2: who would be the new premier.
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Speaker 10: That they can choose a labor government, or they can
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Speaker 10: choose a chaotic coalition of the Liberal Party, One Nation
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Speaker 10: and the National Party, including a political party that doesn't
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Speaker 10: even know who its leader is or who it's candidates are.
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Speaker 10: That would be a recipe for chaos.
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Speaker 13: All right.
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Speaker 2: At that time, there was no labor premier in the
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Speaker 2: country in Victoria. Now, Alvin Easy is about as delusional
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Speaker 2: as Alan was in her final press conference crowing about
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Speaker 2: her achievements as premier. Now, I'm not going to waste
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Speaker 2: a lot of time remembering a woman who was never
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Speaker 2: elected leader by the voters or face them at an election.
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Speaker 2: But you can't be allowed to get away with this.
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Speaker 6: I leave immensely proud of what we have achieved these
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Speaker 6: past three years. I inherited a rising crime rate. My
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Speaker 6: team and I toughened by a laws started adult time,
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Speaker 6: introduced the Violence Reduction Unit. Crime is now falling for
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Speaker 6: the first time since COVID. I inherited a budget deficit.
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Speaker 6: My team and I made savings whilst always protecting frontline services.
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Speaker 6: The budget today is now in surplus. I came to
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Speaker 6: office in a cost of living crisis. Making life easier
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Speaker 6: and more affordable became my mission.
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Speaker 2: Well that's the spear and here's the facts. Crime and
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Speaker 2: Victoria's out of control. It's not under control. Bayl laws
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Speaker 2: might be tireder now, but only because labor had changed
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Speaker 2: them earlier to make the weakest in the country a
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Speaker 2: violence reduction unit. And what even is that? How about
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Speaker 2: no violence at all, not just reducing it? And how
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Speaker 2: about locking offenders up in prison for longer? A surplus budget,
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Speaker 2: she said, Well, that's a joke. The debts record two
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Speaker 2: hundred billion, bigger than Queensland, New South Wales, Tasmania combined
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Speaker 2: ratings agencies would bankrupt Victoria if it wasn't for the
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Speaker 2: fact that the Comwealth government acts as some sort of
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Speaker 2: de facto guarranteur and life more affordable. Well, it might
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Speaker 2: be premier on your half a million dollar salary, but
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Speaker 2: tell them to a pensioner or a family in the
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Speaker 2: suburbs with kids. Goodbye and good riddance. Just sind to Allan.
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Speaker 2: Don't you get comfortable either, Ben Carroll, you're next because
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Speaker 2: you can change the leader, but you can't change labor,
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Speaker 2: and voters will do that themselves come November. All right,
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Speaker 2: let's go to Camber now for the headlines. Sky newsed
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Speaker 2: oh sky News News twenty four reporter Rubert.
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Speaker 12: Spargo, Good evening, the Prime Minister and wa Premier are
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Speaker 12: committing four million dollars to a feasibility study into a
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Speaker 12: proposed new oil refinery in Western Australia. It will examine
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Speaker 12: potential sites for the facility. Australia has two operating oil
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Speaker 12: refineries in Queensland and Victoria, and no new refinery has
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Speaker 12: been built since the night in sixties.
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Speaker 10: Our predecessors sat back and watched all refineries close.
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Speaker 11: They talk about more, few refineries, and then they tax
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Speaker 11: the few refineries.
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Speaker 12: Motorists are expected to pay more at the bowser next week.
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Speaker 12: Labour is signaling it won't extend the temporary fuel excise
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Speaker 12: cunt when it expires on Sunday. The heads of the
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Speaker 12: Australian Council of Trade Union Sally McManus and Michelle O'Neill,
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Speaker 12: are stepping down. Both women have led the peak union
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Speaker 12: body for almost a decade. Their successes are yet to
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Speaker 12: be announced. Chief Media founder Hannah Ferguson will challenge Anthony
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Speaker 12: Alberizi in his Sydney.
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Speaker 13: Seat at the next election.
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Speaker 12: She's targeting recent controversy surrounding the Prime Minister, including comments
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Speaker 12: about former Australian of the Year Grace Tame and his
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Speaker 12: attendants at a donut dinner hosted by Felix Lee.
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Speaker 8: More people need to be standing up, putting their head
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Speaker 8: above the parapet and challenging people like the Prime Minister.
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Speaker 7: At the end of the day, he's an elected local
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Speaker 7: representative and I believe he's failing the area and I
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Speaker 7: want to change that.
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Speaker 12: Hannah Ferguson will contest the seat of Grainler as an independent.
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Speaker 2: Busy day, a chaotic day in Victorian politics, to say
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Speaker 2: the least, Join mean now to take you all through
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Speaker 2: the twists and turns, and there were plenty. Victorian political
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Speaker 2: reporter Georgie Dickerson, Well, it was a very interesting morning,
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Speaker 2: I have to say, Georgie, because we had to sit
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Speaker 2: to Allen come out at nine point thirty and she
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Speaker 2: fell on her sword begrudgingly. In her press conference she
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Speaker 2: said she would support Carol. But she did say though
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Speaker 2: that if there had been a vote, she would have
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Speaker 2: won it. But it wasn't smooth once he got in
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Speaker 2: that Corcus room, was it. It was touch and go
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Speaker 2: that he might end up with a statewide ballad of
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Speaker 2: members and it could take six weeks.
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Speaker 3: Good evening to you, Peter. It was certainly anything but smooth.
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Speaker 8: This morning week, we're all predicting that it would be
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Speaker 8: a relatively short meeting. It was already predicted that Ben
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Speaker 8: Carroll would receive the leadership and Gabrielle Williams would be
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Speaker 8: his deputy. But in this last ditch attempt by Sonya
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Speaker 8: kill Kenny, she put fur her name. The Attorney General
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Speaker 8: her name put forward as a likely contender. Now, Jacinta
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Speaker 8: Allen had said that she was going to back in
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Speaker 8: Ben Carroll, but on the nomination form for Sonya kill Kenny,
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Speaker 8: the former Premier Jacinta Allen had her signature on there.
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Speaker 8: So we were standing outside the carcus room. We could
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Speaker 8: certainly hear a lot of yelling from within the party room.
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Speaker 8: There was cheers at the start when they had originally entered,
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Speaker 8: but that certainly changed very quickly. At one point we
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Speaker 8: could hear the former premier saying one at a time,
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Speaker 8: so certainly some raised voices. Ultimately Ben Carroll coming out
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Speaker 8: with the victory and Gabrielle Williams his deputy.
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Speaker 3: All right, so what do we actually know about Ben Carroll?
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Speaker 8: Well, he spent fourteen years in parliament, but before that
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Speaker 8: he was a lawyer. He also worked as an advisor
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Speaker 8: in the Brax government. But of course his name really
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Speaker 8: came up in the media back in twenty twenty three
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Speaker 8: when he was elected the Deputy Premier.
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Speaker 9: Now, of course this was when.
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Speaker 8: The former Premier Daniel Andrews had announced his resignation and
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Speaker 8: there was a plan in place by the former premier
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Speaker 8: that he was going to be succeeded by just In
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Speaker 8: to Allen as well as Tim Pallas. But similar fashion
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Speaker 8: to today, a last ditch attempt by Ben Carroll, he
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Speaker 8: threatens to take on the Justin to Alan in that leadership.
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Speaker 8: Ultimately then he was given the role as Deputy Premier
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Speaker 8: and that is where we are today. He of course
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Speaker 8: also holds the Education portfolio and that he's been anything
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Speaker 8: but smooth sailing over the past few months. Already this
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Speaker 8: year there has been two teacher strikes because of failed
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Speaker 8: negotiations with the government. With Ben Carroll. Teachers are also
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Speaker 8: threatening a third teacher strike in August because the government
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Speaker 8: is not giving them the pay they want and they
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Speaker 8: are saying this pay deal they need it. They need
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Speaker 8: to improve conditions within our schools to be able to
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Speaker 8: give students what they need, So that is certainly one
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Speaker 8: of the main issues that has been plaguing the now
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Speaker 8: Premier Ben Carroll over the past year.
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Speaker 2: I mentioned to Georgie he has held the Justice portfolio's
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Speaker 2: Crime Prevention and corrections as well and roads and they're
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Speaker 2: all very topical. The motion, the motion today have no
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Speaker 2: confidence in the Government in the Parliament.
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Speaker 8: What happened there, well, they were certainly discussing it in
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Speaker 8: great depth and it wasn't sure if it was actually
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Speaker 8: still going to go ahead or not given the leadership
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Speaker 8: spilled this morning. But the opposition is saying they still
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Speaker 8: have no faith in this government. It doesn't matter what
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Speaker 8: leader is in charge.
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Speaker 3: They do not have faith.
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Speaker 8: So those discussions certainly going on for some time because
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Speaker 8: they want to see a change. They wanted to see
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Speaker 8: it go to an early election. They were hoping for
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Speaker 8: people to cross the floor to be able to discuss
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Speaker 8: that in depth. So that is certainly one of the
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Speaker 8: key issues that the opposition wants to see. Whilst as
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Speaker 8: you mentioned as well, in terms of the Royal Commission,
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Speaker 8: they're saying they're going to have a Royal Commission. The
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Speaker 8: Opposition's already been calling for that for months now, so
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Speaker 8: they certainly want to see something change. But of course
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Speaker 8: for the Liberals, they.
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Speaker 3: Just want to see a change of government. Come to
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Speaker 3: Thember twenty eight.
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Speaker 2: I'll over there, Georgie. Thank you for what's been. I've
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Speaker 2: busy you a couple of days. Now for you, let's
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Speaker 2: go down to our political editor Andrew Clennell. We'll get
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Speaker 2: to federal politics at the moment, Andrew, but you're in
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Speaker 2: the hot seat. I watched it all with you and
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Speaker 2: Laura Jay's at the desk from ten o'clock this morning.
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Speaker 2: It was a comedy of errors at one stage. She mentions, there, Georgie,
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Speaker 2: the shouting outside the room and then Sonia killed Kenny
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Speaker 2: throwing a spinner in the works at the last minute.
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Speaker 2: What did you make of this orderly transition to power
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Speaker 2: in Victoria?
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Speaker 13: For Ben Carroll, it's been a long day, Peter.
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Speaker 11: I think they're done. I actually think they're done. I
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Speaker 11: know they've got a big margin, but it's that sort
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Speaker 11: of chaos I saw in the dying days of the
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Speaker 11: Ucfile's government back in when they ended up winning just
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Speaker 11: twenty seats in a ninety three seat parliament in twenty eleven.
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Speaker 11: And I was in the Parliament when Christina Connely was
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Speaker 11: saying she was nobody's girl, but similar scenes. I mean,
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Speaker 11: I was interested in Springs Street, the access of the
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Speaker 11: journalists so close to the gugust room. In other parliaments
21:07
Speaker 11: federally and elsewhere, I've seen a bit more distant so
21:11
Speaker 11: to hear people yelling. I think that says it all, really,
21:14
Speaker 11: And then justinter Allen to back this other woman for
21:18
Speaker 11: the leadership, having said you'll stand aside for her to
21:20
Speaker 11: spear in on the way through, for him to be
21:23
Speaker 11: pretty unconvincing in his performance today. I mean, the only
21:27
Speaker 11: winner out of today is Jess Wilson, not Ben Carroll.
21:31
Speaker 2: What about that comment from the Prime Minister. I played
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Speaker 2: it a little bit earlier. I'll play it again.
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Speaker 3: It was a shock. I have a listen.
21:37
Speaker 13: Look.
21:38
Speaker 10: I want to pay tribute to Justinta Allen as the
21:41
Speaker 10: Premier of Victoria. I work closely with her both as
21:44
Speaker 10: Premier and previously. Allen is someone who I think is
21:49
Speaker 10: a very decent human being, someone who's motivated by her
21:53
Speaker 10: passionate belief in the lifestyle and in education, health, transport
22:03
Speaker 10: of Victorians and delivering for Victorians. She's someone who can
22:09
Speaker 10: be proud I think of her achievements over a long
22:13
Speaker 10: period of time.
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Speaker 3: Yeah.
22:15
Speaker 2: The grab, sorry there, Andrew, the grab I wanted to
22:17
Speaker 2: play again was the one where he basically accused the
22:20
Speaker 2: Libs of being a party of chaos and only Labor
22:23
Speaker 2: was stable. At the very time, of course, that there
22:26
Speaker 2: was no Labor leader. There was all a bruhaha in
22:29
Speaker 2: the party room, and I thought to myself, his office
22:31
Speaker 2: is getting sloppy. I mean, they should have been checking
22:34
Speaker 2: in with Melbourne before he stood up and did that doorstop.
22:37
Speaker 2: I mean you remarked about it today as well.
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Speaker 11: Yeah, the term was recipe for chaos. So I just
22:43
Speaker 11: sort of laughed a bit and said, how ironic. I mean,
22:46
Speaker 11: you haven't seen bigger chaos than it's happening now. And
22:49
Speaker 11: at that time in the Coruse room, they couldn't even
22:51
Speaker 11: settle on Ben Carroll not talking about six week ballot
22:54
Speaker 11: just because someone from the left had decided to stand
22:56
Speaker 11: and only had twenty percent of the votes in the
22:58
Speaker 11: party room. So yeah, it jarred. It wasn't the right line,
23:04
Speaker 11: you know. So porta fanthy was he has such control
23:09
Speaker 11: over that Federal Labor conference that no one could even
23:11
Speaker 11: speak ill of the government on the conference floor. Yet
23:15
Speaker 11: there's one thing you can't control. That's a Victorian Labor Party.
23:19
Speaker 3: All right, Well let's just go.
23:20
Speaker 2: To that, because a big feature of Labour's national conference
23:24
Speaker 2: was one Nation and about all that Carol said today
23:28
Speaker 2: beyond the Royal Commission announcement, his first press conference was
23:32
Speaker 2: to name and really go after one nation. Now, they
23:35
Speaker 2: must be taking bark off their base. Internally they know that.
23:39
Speaker 2: And of course you had Paul Erickson on your program.
23:43
Speaker 2: He barely fronts the media. He's the campaign backroom guy.
23:46
Speaker 2: But if he's out there, they're spooked.
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Speaker 13: Yeah.
23:50
Speaker 11: Look, you know I attended the whole conference. I saw
23:53
Speaker 11: albern easy speech was all about one nation. Ericson was
23:57
Speaker 11: you know, quite honest, refreshingly, honestly first ever television interview
24:01
Speaker 11: with me, it was, and can talk about one nation
24:04
Speaker 11: a lot interview Don Farrell and Jim Charms, they were
24:07
Speaker 11: talking about they're happy to talk about one nations. They're
24:10
Speaker 11: not hiding it anymore. But I think Victoria is an
24:14
Speaker 11: opportunity for the Liberal Party to come back. It really
24:18
Speaker 11: is the best opportunity because if they can win, that
24:23
Speaker 11: will boost to them federally, that that would say we're
24:25
Speaker 11: not you know, we're not in the extinction phase. One
24:29
Speaker 11: nation hasn't even got a leader yet. In Victoria, they
24:31
Speaker 11: can show at that state level they're not particularly organized.
24:36
Speaker 11: They can ensure that they get their preferences, but they
24:38
Speaker 11: don't give away seats to them. The key for them
24:40
Speaker 11: is to get a majority and not rely on one
24:43
Speaker 11: nation support, and that is the big test as we
24:46
Speaker 11: cover this. This will be I mean I've seen you
24:49
Speaker 11: unhappy on a lot of election panels, Peter, but on
24:52
Speaker 11: my mother's birthday November twenty eight, I reckon you'll be
24:55
Speaker 11: happy because I see from today the Liberals will win.
24:59
Speaker 13: But this is a the this is the Liberal Party's
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Speaker 13: best chance.
25:03
Speaker 11: So you, as a Liberal supporter, I have to hope
25:07
Speaker 11: Jess Wilson doesn't stuff it up.
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Speaker 2: Well the margin. I think she couldn't work any harder.
25:13
Speaker 2: I think it's her colleagues that that can't stuff it up,
25:17
Speaker 2: that need to get out there and work a bit harder.
25:18
Speaker 3: And the margin.
25:19
Speaker 2: Let's remember when Jeff Kennett won last time against a
25:22
Speaker 2: very bad labor government. I mean, the Cane Kerner outfit
25:25
Speaker 2: was terrible. He didn't have to contend with one nation.
25:28
Speaker 2: You only had to get about a five percent swing.
25:30
Speaker 2: We're talking seven and eight percent now and one nations
25:33
Speaker 2: in the mix. We'll see, we'll see, you know, there
25:36
Speaker 2: could be a little bit of a bounce out of this.
25:38
Speaker 13: It may be just I don't think so. I don't
25:40
Speaker 13: think so all.
25:41
Speaker 11: There might be well, yeah, but I don't think so.
25:44
Speaker 11: I'm leaning on the camp of everyone will see this.
25:49
Speaker 11: They'll see a woman premier knife a bloke who said,
25:52
Speaker 11: oh my daughter, you know, the daughter line.
25:54
Speaker 13: That's a killer. You know, I haven't wondered if just a.
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Speaker 3: Female.
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Speaker 13: Let's maybe we'll stay off that one.
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Speaker 11: But Jacita Allen's office maybe told him to say it
26:04
Speaker 11: that day. But in which case, you probably shouldn't have
26:07
Speaker 11: said it because you're burying yourself. You've got that you're saying,
26:12
Speaker 11: I'm not just in Alan, I'm not Dan Andrews. What
26:14
Speaker 11: so this thing you've been deputy premier and a senior
26:17
Speaker 11: minister of was a pile of garbage.
26:20
Speaker 13: And he said, you know, as clear victorians want change, Yeah,
26:23
Speaker 13: but I don't think they want you power.
26:26
Speaker 11: So I mean, look, the heartening thing for the liberals too,
26:28
Speaker 11: I feel, is if one nation, I mean, it's only
26:32
Speaker 11: one news poll, granted, but the fact that they came
26:34
Speaker 11: down to nineteen and Jess Wilson the Libs were sort
26:37
Speaker 11: of thirty one. That's got to give the Liberals heart
26:41
Speaker 11: because then they get less seat winning positions and their
26:44
Speaker 11: preference has become important. They do well in the Upper
26:46
Speaker 11: House and all that, and they went a few couple
26:48
Speaker 11: of seats, you know, but it's not that sort of
26:50
Speaker 11: twenty eight thirty, twenty seven to thirty sort of scenario.
26:54
Speaker 11: So the Liberals, this will crystallize people even more about
26:59
Speaker 11: who we actually want to run the state. Now, he
27:01
Speaker 11: might want to lodge a vote with One Nation, but
27:03
Speaker 11: they don't even have a leader. Can you really say
27:06
Speaker 11: a hand on heart you want to run the state.
27:08
Speaker 11: And that's what I think we'll see to play out here.
27:10
Speaker 11: The only way One Nation could be a bigger contender
27:14
Speaker 11: is to get a high profile leader. The rumor is
27:15
Speaker 11: they approached Adam Giles. He wouldn't do it. Corey Bernardi
27:19
Speaker 11: was certainly handy in South Australia. If they want to
27:22
Speaker 11: win a lot of Lower House seats, they've got to
27:24
Speaker 11: get a move on in Victoria One Nation. With that
27:26
Speaker 11: aspect of things, key will.
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Speaker 2: Be preference discipline. I'll talk to a Polster about it
27:32
Speaker 2: after the break, but just really quickly this point Piper
27:36
Speaker 2: fancied dinner. The million dollar donation that links to a
27:39
Speaker 2: Chinese father who's been accused of deceving the tax office.
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Speaker 3: This is not going away for the Prime Minister.
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Speaker 11: Well, Anthony Orberosi has a lot of luck, Peter, and
27:54
Speaker 11: he's luck today. His angus Taylor has been named over
27:56
Speaker 11: donations at IIKK, so he's been mentioned.
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Speaker 2: In dispatches and IKA haven't asked to interview here and
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Speaker 2: he's not involved.
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Speaker 13: But that's going to run.
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Speaker 3: Let's be really clear about that.
28:07
Speaker 11: That's going to run everywhere, and it's at a time
28:10
Speaker 11: when people are looking at this donation and going we'll
28:13
Speaker 11: show better judgment than that.
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Speaker 13: KA producers this.
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Speaker 2: Alegation today the iback sorry I cack discussion News South
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Speaker 2: Wales today, but tay into about three thousand dollars, we're
28:25
Speaker 2: talking about a million dollars. The dad's in trouble with
28:28
Speaker 2: the ATO, a twenty five year old in a multimillion
28:32
Speaker 2: dollar property, and the Prime Minister slides in there.
28:34
Speaker 13: I mean, come on, well it's the dad, not the sun.
28:38
Speaker 11: But I would also say I believe the tailor thing
28:41
Speaker 11: and the allegations Angus Taylor hasn't denied, but at the
28:46
Speaker 11: same time they're from like a text message, so they're
28:49
Speaker 11: not proven. I think the suggestion is an initial fifteen
28:52
Speaker 11: thousand dollar payment followed by three thousand dollar payments, So
28:56
Speaker 11: and it's alleged to be I think for brand stacking.
28:59
Speaker 11: So it's not your traditional So what political donation now
29:02
Speaker 11: If it's I've no reason to believe it's not legal.
29:05
Speaker 11: So you can say who cares. But what I'm saying is,
29:08
Speaker 11: if you're a viewer out there tonight, you're probably just
29:09
Speaker 11: saying it. POC's on both houses. This is where I
29:11
Speaker 11: think Galbanese gets lucky again.
29:16
Speaker 2: And this is where I think the investigations are vive back,
29:18
Speaker 2: which IKX sorrys I back in Victoria, which cannot make
29:22
Speaker 2: findings of guilt on the courts, can should be behind
29:25
Speaker 2: closed doors. It's idea to you get to wash someone's
29:27
Speaker 2: name out there in the public domain without a finding
29:31
Speaker 2: of guilt. I think is wrong. But that's around the
29:34
Speaker 2: time Andrew, thank you Tavy on the show. Right after break,
29:37
Speaker 2: I'll be joined by someone who's worked inside Victorian labor
29:40
Speaker 2: for many years. We're going to try and make a
29:42
Speaker 2: sense of what we saw today whether or not it's
29:45
Speaker 2: got to impact the result come November and can Carol
29:50
Speaker 2: win or is this just about saving.
29:52
Speaker 3: The furniture.
29:57
Speaker 2: Welcome back coming out of anger in Germany as the
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Speaker 2: Berlin Prime attack has revealed to have been jail trying
30:03
Speaker 2: to join Islamic State, freed only a few weeks ago,
30:07
Speaker 2: ordered to attend deradicalization classes, but Bailey did. But now
30:12
Speaker 2: to the fallout from the political coup on Spring Street today,
30:15
Speaker 2: with Labour betting that the replacement of just sent to
30:17
Speaker 2: Allen will reset its political fortunes in Victoria, but will
30:21
Speaker 2: it a low primary vote of much improved coalition and
30:25
Speaker 2: the re emergence of One Nation plus the Dan Andrews
30:29
Speaker 2: hangover playing out now in a way it didn't at
30:33
Speaker 2: the last election. He had to talk the SEU at all.
30:35
Speaker 2: Redbridge Group director of Strategy and Analysis, former Victorian Labour
30:40
Speaker 2: strategist Cos Samarus. Because you know this stuff better than anyone.
30:45
Speaker 2: Let's start with Dan Andrews.
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Speaker 5: I want to know.
30:48
Speaker 2: Why he's now such a stench for Victorian labor when
30:52
Speaker 2: at the last election in twenty twenty two he actually
30:55
Speaker 2: took a seat off the Liberals.
30:57
Speaker 3: He improved.
30:58
Speaker 2: The position is that's is that what's dogging Allan that
31:03
Speaker 2: she was too close to him? Or is it about
31:06
Speaker 2: the CFMAU and the big build what cost her support?
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Speaker 5: The biggest thing was Andrews. So when she became leader,
31:14
Speaker 5: we were out in the field talking to Victorians and
31:17
Speaker 5: they told us that, oh, look, she's just continuing his agenda.
31:22
Speaker 5: And at that time it was okay. So because most
31:26
Speaker 5: Victorians are not processed what happened in joining the pandemic,
31:30
Speaker 5: and in psychology people will tell you taxta years before
31:34
Speaker 5: people process a very traumatic event and it's now definitely
31:39
Speaker 5: coming home to roost right, And so twenty twenty two
31:43
Speaker 5: was way too early for that to happen, and the
31:46
Speaker 5: Labor Party took all the wrong lessons out of that.
31:48
Speaker 5: There will be warning signs the outer suburbs of Melbourne,
31:52
Speaker 5: in particular, where Labour copped the massive swings on its primary.
31:56
Speaker 5: They ignored it and thought things will continue.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's so interesting you say that because I said
32:02
Speaker 2: there on election nineteen twenty twenty two, and I've been
32:05
Speaker 2: a war with Andrews and all the sort of corruption
32:08
Speaker 2: that happened in Hotel quarantine and all of that, and
32:11
Speaker 2: I thought, I don't know this state anymore. If you
32:14
Speaker 2: can put this bloke back in, if it can improve
32:17
Speaker 2: his position, and you've just been locked up for two
32:19
Speaker 2: years the worst lockdowns anywhere in the world, that I
32:23
Speaker 2: don't know this state anymore.
32:24
Speaker 3: Now it's all coming out.
32:26
Speaker 2: You're right, it's partly Stockholm syndrome, partly trauma. Okay, So
32:30
Speaker 2: she's dogged with the Andrews brush. Well, he was there too,
32:33
Speaker 2: Bed Carol was there too. Talk to me, is there
32:36
Speaker 2: a transactional cost here removing a woman or doesn't that
32:40
Speaker 2: gender thing matter anymore?
32:44
Speaker 5: When you're negative forty two, there's not much empathy left
32:46
Speaker 5: in the electric right. And that's fundamentally a fair point,
32:50
Speaker 5: just into his problem, right, And she was continuing Andrew's agenda,
32:55
Speaker 5: and she was viewed as that, and that's why she
32:59
Speaker 5: copped a lot of the blow aim for what happened
33:01
Speaker 5: during the pandemic. And she was basically, in my opinion,
33:05
Speaker 5: a victim of that error. Her biggest strategic failure has
33:09
Speaker 5: not been able to separate herself from that previous administration.
33:13
Speaker 5: And so it's no accident. The first thing Ben Carroll
33:16
Speaker 5: does today is he makes it very clear he's not them,
33:21
Speaker 5: and that's deliberate and he knows that actually has he
33:25
Speaker 5: has to convince a sizable portion of Victorians that he's
33:28
Speaker 5: not going to be them raw commissions, one very clear
33:34
Speaker 5: statement that he's not Daniel Andrews or de Cinra Allen.
33:37
Speaker 5: That's two. He's still got a way to go though.
33:41
Speaker 2: Okay, let's pull him apart then, because we can see
33:43
Speaker 2: in the UK Burnham's replaced Starmer. The latest polls have
33:48
Speaker 2: got him now pulling up even with reform. So he's
33:51
Speaker 2: got a bounds post change. Are we expecting a bounds here?
33:56
Speaker 2: Will voters see him as less toxic? And but Vally,
34:00
Speaker 2: is this about him actually witting not just saving furniture.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, he's talking to four five percent of the vote.
34:08
Speaker 5: That's no longer with labor, but he's a labor but
34:11
Speaker 5: it's a labor vote. And if he can get that
34:14
Speaker 5: prime into thirty percent, he can get to forty five.
34:16
Speaker 5: That's how fractured the political landscape is in Victoria. However,
34:20
Speaker 5: his biggest challenge is not just what he did today.
34:23
Speaker 5: It's about what his government looks like and if the
34:27
Speaker 5: out the government, the composition of it is basically the
34:31
Speaker 5: same as it was under Andrews and under Allen. Most
34:36
Speaker 5: of the Victorian community, which I think it's it's it's
34:38
Speaker 5: business as usual. So therefore what we need to change,
34:42
Speaker 5: and just going to just Wilson in her camp is
34:45
Speaker 5: definitely doing a really good job at building that case
34:48
Speaker 5: for change. So his challenge is to make sure that
34:52
Speaker 5: that that he is just as significantly different to that
34:56
Speaker 5: previous regime as what Jess Wilson is offering from the
34:59
Speaker 5: liberal side.
34:59
Speaker 2: Pol okay, So if you look at Newspolt yesterday, One
35:04
Speaker 2: Nation's got nineteen percent of the vote in Victoria, no
35:06
Speaker 2: leader though, and no candidates. We're only four months out now,
35:11
Speaker 2: so clearly the people that have left Labor that are
35:14
Speaker 2: parking themselves with One Nation, he's going to chase them,
35:17
Speaker 2: just as Jess Wilson is going to try and chase
35:20
Speaker 2: them and lock them in on her side of the ledger.
35:23
Speaker 3: Is that where the fight will be.
35:25
Speaker 5: Absolutely and you could see Jess Wilson spent time in
35:28
Speaker 5: Gippsland last week. That's deliberate. They need to minimize their
35:33
Speaker 5: threats with One Nation so they can focus on labor.
35:37
Speaker 5: And likewise with Ben Carroll. He needs to close down
35:39
Speaker 5: all those vulnerabilities in the outersidders in Melbourne. He won't
35:42
Speaker 5: be able to defend every seat. There will be seats lost.
35:44
Speaker 5: There'll be many people from the labor side that will
35:46
Speaker 5: not be returned, There's no question about that. But you know,
35:51
Speaker 5: having a look at that Newspole number of nineteen, I
35:53
Speaker 5: would say one nation's primary is still probably in the twenties.
35:56
Speaker 5: It does bounce around a lot across all posters because
35:59
Speaker 5: we are living for a transitional period in our democracy
36:03
Speaker 5: and people are really hard to predict when it comes
36:07
Speaker 5: to how they intend to vote, and so we're going
36:09
Speaker 5: to see those numbers bouts around a bit. But the
36:11
Speaker 5: challenges you've particulated is exactly that for both sides.
36:15
Speaker 2: So quickly he's from the labor right. Is he going
36:18
Speaker 2: to have a war on woke? Is he going to
36:20
Speaker 2: wind back some of the woke stuff that I know,
36:23
Speaker 2: particularly with migrant communities in labor held seats, is really
36:28
Speaker 2: driving them to leave the Labor Party.
36:31
Speaker 5: Look, I know him personally and one of his biggest
36:32
Speaker 5: scribes was the policy, the deliberate policy of ignoring out
36:37
Speaker 5: of suburban working class constituencies He's born and bred in
36:41
Speaker 5: those constituencies. He understands them, and I think what you
36:46
Speaker 5: will see from him is a greater focus on those
36:49
Speaker 5: constituencies and less on that inner urban, middle urban focus.
36:54
Speaker 5: That he was very prominent under the Andrews government and
36:57
Speaker 5: continued under the old government.
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Speaker 3: Right chance, you're arm can he win?
37:03
Speaker 5: It's hard bright, He's asking for sixteen years in this
37:05
Speaker 5: political environment. That's that's very difficult. You know, I'll still
37:10
Speaker 5: put my money on Jess Wilson at the moment.
37:13
Speaker 3: Right, I leave it there, Thank you, Coles.
37:15
Speaker 2: Right coming up, grief shock and increasingly anger about that
37:19
Speaker 2: attack in Berlin, the Pride attack. An Islamist is said
37:23
Speaker 2: to be the person behind it all and also an
37:25
Speaker 2: extremist to take in Paris over night, three women wounded
37:28
Speaker 2: knife attack there. Iran said to us Islamists around the world,
37:33
Speaker 2: take your fight out on the street. So is that
37:36
Speaker 2: what's happening now in Europe? Welcome back, Let's head now
37:44
Speaker 2: to Europe where those revelations that the chief suspect in
37:48
Speaker 2: the Berlin Pride attack was arrested in Lebanon trying to
37:51
Speaker 2: join Islamic state. He was flown back to Germany as
37:54
Speaker 2: he was a citizen of Germany, and he was convicted
37:57
Speaker 2: in May of preparing a serious act of violence, only
38:01
Speaker 2: to then be released after time already served, on the
38:05
Speaker 2: condition that he take part in twenty six deradicalization counseling services.
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Speaker 3: He attended just two.
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Speaker 2: Here to tell us more, New twenty four contributor and
38:15
Speaker 2: News Corps Australia's European correspondent, soph Ellsworth. Well, he is
38:20
Speaker 2: a bloke, Sophie, who Western authorities identified as extreme. They
38:25
Speaker 2: monitored him, they bought him back, they convicted him, and
38:28
Speaker 2: then they put him back out on the street. What's
38:31
Speaker 2: been the response to the attack?
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Speaker 15: Incredibly concerning, Peter about this attack, and the German Chancello
38:39
Speaker 15: has come out and said that action must be taken
38:42
Speaker 15: to investigate how this took place. The offender here showed
38:49
Speaker 15: support for the Islamic state and that hasn't concerns that
38:53
Speaker 15: they had plenty of warnings here, Peter, and they obviously
38:56
Speaker 15: were not taken seriously enough to allow this effect out
39:01
Speaker 15: to commit these offenses. So this is really rocked Germany
39:06
Speaker 15: and one that has gone right to the top and
39:08
Speaker 15: one that they are investigating further.
39:12
Speaker 2: Well, there was attack of a night in Paris too,
39:14
Speaker 2: sober Man was arrested after he allegedly attacked and wounded
39:17
Speaker 2: three women with two kitchen knives. What can you tell
39:21
Speaker 2: us there, Well.
39:26
Speaker 15: This came on the back of that Peter too, not
39:28
Speaker 15: long after the attacking Germany and concerned too about this
39:33
Speaker 15: alleged perpetrator who was taken into custody. He was walking
39:37
Speaker 15: around stabbing women. He stabbed three women with knives and
39:42
Speaker 15: was showing support for Aluls. So this is very very
39:45
Speaker 15: concerning as well, and there seems to be a string
39:48
Speaker 15: of these offenses happening in European countries which has put
39:52
Speaker 15: everyone on high alert concerning for people Peter just walking
39:55
Speaker 15: around going about their business and seeming to be targeted
39:59
Speaker 15: by these petraders.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, that was a call out from the Iranian radicals
40:06
Speaker 2: to anyone of that mindset, particularly in Europe, to take
40:10
Speaker 2: their grievances to the streets, to defend Iran and Islam
40:14
Speaker 2: on the streets. So we'll see what plays out, what
40:16
Speaker 2: the authorities have to say. I have to ask you,
40:19
Speaker 2: I just mentioned this briefly with cos Samaras Miss Yuga
40:22
Speaker 2: poll out today. Labour's got a bounce there after changing
40:27
Speaker 2: from Starman and Burnham. It's called the Burnham bounce.
40:29
Speaker 3: They've drawn level with Reform UK.
40:32
Speaker 2: This is the first time in almost sixteen months now
40:36
Speaker 2: I said this. I think to you at the time
40:38
Speaker 2: we're in the UK, I reckon you'll go to an
40:39
Speaker 2: early election. He needs the mandate and it'll be his
40:43
Speaker 2: best chance to survive, is that being canvassed.
40:49
Speaker 13: Well.
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Speaker 15: Andy Burnett has been called Andy Burnham rather has been
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Speaker 15: quite firm on the fact that he will not be
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Speaker 15: calling a general election. But they are now in recess
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Speaker 15: the parliamentarians for six weeks Peter and he has come
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Speaker 15: out and made a series of announcements, including ending homelessness,
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Speaker 15: reducing the vat on some services. He's made a series
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Speaker 15: of announcements, but he hasn't got a mandate going into
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Speaker 15: ten Downing Street and there has been concern that's being
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Speaker 15: able to march in there without really telling the British
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Speaker 15: public what he stands for. But I very much doubt
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Speaker 15: he will call a general election. But these polls must
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Speaker 15: be a concern to Reform because we know that Nigel
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Speaker 15: Frage is having that by election in Clacton which is
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Speaker 15: due to be held in a couple of weeks, so
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Speaker 15: really interesting time. But we did expect there to be
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Speaker 15: a bounce when they switched from Starma to Burnham.
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Speaker 3: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: I don't have time to go into it in great depth,
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Speaker 2: but I want to show people at home he opened
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Speaker 2: headquarters in Manchester in an office building, even so much
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Speaker 2: as putting up a door, a number ten door there.
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Speaker 2: They're calling it number ten in the North. And it's
42:01
Speaker 2: about saying that London doesn't run the show anymore.
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Speaker 3: We're devolving power. The regions have got to say.
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Speaker 2: Of course in the UK they don't have state governments,
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Speaker 2: just local and a national government. But I know it's
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Speaker 2: a start, Sophie, but I think he's turning the tide
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Speaker 2: there and that should concern everyone who wants to see
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Speaker 2: labor thrown out of office there as they do in Victoria.
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Speaker 2: I'll leave it there, Sophie, and I got the games
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Speaker 2: to get back to thank you for your time, all
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Speaker 2: right after the break alan out, not before she played
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Speaker 2: the gender card. Two women are going to join me.
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Speaker 2: They don't play the gender card. One Nations, Lee Hanson
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Speaker 2: and the Fiery Lucy's Zeleg They're coming up my Tuesday
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Speaker 2: Night panel, Welcome Back let's just jump straight into a
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Speaker 2: plenty of news around. Joining me now One Nation's National
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Speaker 2: Executive member Lee Hanson and broadcaster lucig Zeleg welcome ladies.
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Speaker 2: As I say, I can say it to you too,
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Speaker 2: with pride the Victorian premium today she fell on her sword,
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Speaker 2: but the guy was interested in these comments in her speech.
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Speaker 6: If you're a woman making your start in politics, let
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Speaker 6: me say this to you today. Please don't look at
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Speaker 6: what I have experienced this week and think stuff that
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Speaker 6: I don't want to be involved. Look at the support
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Speaker 6: I've experienced over my career and think I can make
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Speaker 6: a difference here too.
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Speaker 2: I mean, come on, Lucy, she lost her job because
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Speaker 2: she wasn't up to it. It's no better gender. I
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Speaker 2: mean the Left loved to play this gender card.
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Speaker 3: They love to.
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Speaker 9: Play the gender card, Peter, because it gives it an
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Speaker 9: opportunity to either shield them from criticism or to use
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Speaker 9: it as a crutch to escape further criticism. I mean,
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Speaker 9: in this instance, no one is looking at the gender
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Speaker 9: of Justina Alan. There are no women who are looking
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Speaker 9: to get into politics thinking gee stuff this because of
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Speaker 9: what she's done. I dare say it's more labors looking
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Speaker 9: at the party more broadly and saying stuff this, I
44:03
Speaker 9: don't want to be a part of that, rather than
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Speaker 9: anything to do with her gender. She made a big
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Speaker 9: song and dance about her so called achievements. If you
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Speaker 9: want to use that particular term, I dare say, it's
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Speaker 9: more of a delusion than anything else. But when she
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Speaker 9: spoke about her achievements with respect to women's issues and
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Speaker 9: the clinics that they've set up there, that's great that
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Speaker 9: she can list those as an achievement being a woman.
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Speaker 9: But does that mean then, if you're going to use
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Speaker 9: the woman card in that vein, do we abscribe all
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Speaker 9: of her failures then to being a woman? The suburban
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Speaker 9: raw loop, the CFMEU corruption, the near two hundred billion
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Speaker 9: dollars of debt that the state is in the escalator
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Speaker 9: read point? Does that mean then that you'll take credit
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Speaker 9: for those things being a woman? I mean, any time,
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Speaker 9: particularly in government, we suggest that we measure success by
44:50
Speaker 9: the metrics of your gender, is the moment that you
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Speaker 9: lose any opportunity to provide voters with someone that is
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Speaker 9: competent and qualified. And that is all can I say
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Speaker 9: As a woman myself, I'm looking to a politician for
45:04
Speaker 9: competence and good policies.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, interestingly, you know your mum, Pauline Hansen, Gina Ryan Hart.
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Speaker 2: I mean, Gina got a bit of money from the
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Speaker 2: dad's shaw, but she's turned it into this billion dollar
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Speaker 2: empire under her own effort. You don't see that from
45:20
Speaker 2: women on the right, Dearly, No, you don't.
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Speaker 3: Sorry, Lucy, you make me laugh.
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Speaker 1: I got to have a giggle, and you don't see
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Speaker 1: it on the right because it's about the person. It's
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Speaker 1: about the individual. It's not about the gender. It's about
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Speaker 1: your capabilities. It's about your leadership qualities and the fight
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Speaker 1: and the charisma that you have. And to use it
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Speaker 1: as a crux, and isn't it funny play the gender
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Speaker 1: card and not the gender identity card which is normally played,
45:48
Speaker 1: rather than you know, admitting to what she's actually her
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Speaker 1: failings herself as an individual and as a leader. I
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Speaker 1: just feel deeply saddened for the Torrian public who don't
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Speaker 1: have the opportunity to vote her rout for the next election,
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Speaker 1: to be honest.
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Speaker 7: So that's what's deeply saud in me today.
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Speaker 2: Let's go to those comments you've got pro Israel labor
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Speaker 2: figures accusing the party of being increasingly influenced by the
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Speaker 2: far left and by Islamists. This comes out of the weekend,
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Speaker 2: of course, where they could not say on the platform,
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Speaker 2: the Labor platform that Hamas should disarm and Lucy, we
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Speaker 2: still haven't got any answers from the Prime Minister or
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Speaker 2: Tony Burke or Penny Wang about those thirteen alleged Isis men,
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Speaker 2: Australian men in a prison in Iraq that the government's
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Speaker 2: known about for the last four years and have buried
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Speaker 2: it kept its secret.
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Speaker 9: It's really disturbing, Peter, and I think the more that
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Speaker 9: you start to drill down into these issues with respect
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Speaker 9: to these terrorists, these fans of such a deak cult,
46:57
Speaker 9: it really starts to sicken you. And the thing that
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Speaker 9: also disturbs me in all of this is if you
47:02
Speaker 9: cast your mind back to COVID, our governments, although not
47:06
Speaker 9: under this particular government of the day, our governments had
47:08
Speaker 9: absolutely no issue with broadening their reach and in fact
47:13
Speaker 9: it becoming overreach when they were able to tell people
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Speaker 9: that they couldn't farewell dying loved ones. They secured our borders,
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Speaker 9: no one could come back to the country. We saw
47:23
Speaker 9: some real action from our government of the day there.
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Speaker 9: But when it comes to this, there seems to be
47:28
Speaker 9: this consistent kind of hang ringing where everyone's sitting back
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Speaker 9: and saying, well, these are Australian citizens and there's not
47:34
Speaker 9: much that we can do about this. No, there is
47:36
Speaker 9: something that you can do about it. And if there
47:38
Speaker 9: are several other nations around the world, sovereign nations who
47:41
Speaker 9: can enact their own constitutions and their own laws to
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Speaker 9: kick these people out and to bar them from coming
47:46
Speaker 9: back into the country, then surely Australia should be looking
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Speaker 9: at not only what constitutional provisions that we have, but
47:53
Speaker 9: doing everything that they can to get back into the
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Speaker 9: Parliament and to change these laws to ensure that these
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Speaker 9: people who leave this extraordinary country to join these caliphates
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Speaker 9: have absolutely no opportunity to come back.
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Speaker 2: And I'll just quickly mentioned as an eighteen year old
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Speaker 2: in Australia, in Australia accused of researching bomb making, terror attacks,
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Speaker 2: extremist material, all of that, he's been granted bail after
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Speaker 2: the Supreme Court rejected the common Wealth's appeal. We saw
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Speaker 2: what's happened just recently in Berlin, and of course we
48:26
Speaker 2: reported on what's happening in Paris.
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Speaker 3: Lee. I've got to ask you reports today.
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Speaker 2: Your mum obviously lost that case in the Federal Court
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Speaker 2: her appeal and the next place to go is the
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Speaker 2: High Court if they accept the appeal. I know there's
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Speaker 2: millions already spent trying to defend this racist remark. As
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Speaker 2: the court's declared it, is she going to go all
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Speaker 2: the way to the High Court?
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Speaker 1: I certainly hope so, Peter, and we're currently looking into
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Speaker 1: that option right now. And Pauline doesn't know how else
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Speaker 1: not to fight, you know, it's in her nature and
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Speaker 1: that will be absolutely what she'll be looking to explore
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Speaker 1: because this ruling is more and far beyond Pauline Hansom.
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Speaker 1: This is about freedom and democracy within our country. This
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Speaker 1: is about the direction and the erosion of our values
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Speaker 1: and Australian values.
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Speaker 7: You know, when you've got people in this.
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Speaker 1: Country, you know who are preaching on the left, and
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Speaker 1: you see left leaning MPs or the Green MPs on
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Speaker 1: the Flora Parliament and outside the Flora Parliament preaching hate,
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Speaker 1: encouraging division in this country, yet seems to be no consequence.
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Speaker 7: What you know, there's double standards.
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Speaker 1: So Pauline represents standing up for the everyday Australians standing
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Speaker 1: up and symbolizing what free speech and democracy needs to
49:51
Speaker 1: be in this country. You know, it comes back to
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Speaker 1: the crux of her words. It had nothing to do
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Speaker 1: with racism. And whilst the court may have come down
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Speaker 1: with that ruling, I personally are very frustrated and disheartened
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Speaker 1: by the decision and it's only bolstered the support for
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Speaker 1: her and I know it will continue to do it.
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Speaker 1: So we'll stand by her and we'll explore every opportunity.
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Speaker 2: We will leave it there. Thank you for that, Leah.
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Speaker 2: I can see the flag behind you too. I mentioned
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Speaker 2: the flag behind me last night. I got a lot
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Speaker 2: of lovely responses from my viewers. I'll go through them tomorrow.
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Speaker 2: But if you have a flag at home you fly proudly,
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Speaker 2: send it my way. I'll put it up on air.
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Speaker 2: Thank you for your company. See you tomorrow.
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Speaker 3: Here's Andrew