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- 0:11No, it was just you jerking off a kid.
- 0:15Gordon Freeman. I was going to his ability to
- 0:18take out a fucking avatar, my guy.
- 0:23I was going to say he's. My head is.
- 0:24Already on my prediction, it's like, well, it can't be Gordon
- 0:27Freeman. Who?
- 0:29On that side, who on that side of the list would Gordon Freeman
- 0:33be? Let's be real, Nobody.
- 0:37A lot of. People, Ellie.
- 0:38Maybe Ellie? Maybe Ellie.
- 0:39Yeah, maybe Ellie. I think, I think he.
- 0:42Might also be able to be an octodad you guys got.
- 0:44To play the game you. Guys are going to play the game,
- 0:45you guys are going to play the game.
- 0:48I think he loses to pretty much everyone.
- 0:50Like he loses to Marcus Phoenix for sure.
- 0:52He loses to Leon Kennedy absolutely.
- 0:55He loses to Laura Croft, Lara Croft.
- 0:57Probably, yeah. Oh 100% what has he really done?
- 1:01Like he's just. A nerd and I listen, I was
- 1:04listening back and Nick, Nick was like, Nick was like, well,
- 1:07he took down the the fucking he took down the nylon or whatever.
- 1:12How did he do that? Did he do that, like physically
- 1:15with his hands or did he press a button that triggered a thing
- 1:17that killed the nylon? With his fucking hands.
- 1:21Because I feel like in that game it's a lot of set up, set up,
- 1:25set up, press a button and then with his.
- 1:28Hands. What does what does that mean
- 1:31though? Like he choked it out.
- 1:32But what do you mean did he physically with?
- 1:34His weapons? You could.
- 1:36You could kill it however you want.
- 1:37You want to try to kill the nylons with a fucking well, you
- 1:40have to. You have to shoot a rocket into
- 1:41its head. OK, so he used a rocket.
- 1:44So he had to, yeah, he had to find a rocket launcher to.
- 1:46Do welcome back to the WASD and Beyond podcast, everybody.
- 1:50We're host Nick, Noah, Evan and Brody.
- 1:54Oh man, great start of the show. We're back on Gordon Froman.
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- 3:58And now on to the brackets. How was that?
- 4:03Really good. Cool.
- 4:05I just like to hear. I just like to hear you guys say
- 4:06it. That's why I ask.
- 4:08You like? Praise.
- 4:10Yeah, it's a king thing. I think, yeah.
- 4:12It's a king thing. I think my dad really neglected
- 4:15it. So now, yeah, the older I get, I
- 4:19have to hear people go Atta boy, because if I don't get the Atta
- 4:22boy, it's an immediate panic attack.
- 4:24That's why I asked Mel if he would call me big guy from now
- 4:27on. He never does.
- 4:27But. Well, why you eat Hot Chip?
- 4:29I did it immediately after you. Asked.
- 4:31He did. He did do it immediately after I
- 4:33asked SO. I He called you, big boy.
- 4:35Call me big guy, Big guy. Not big boy.
- 4:36No, no, no, not big Boy. Big boy, there's a whole
- 4:39different thing. Yeah, there's a very big
- 4:41difference. Between is big boy in reference
- 4:43to the hog or is that just we talk about the restaurant?
- 4:46It seems like it. I'm definitely not talking about
- 4:49the restaurant. The restaurant sucks.
- 4:52It's not as good as when you get older. 100% not talking about
- 4:55the restaurant. It's like prison food.
- 4:58I mean, it's like in line with like a, like a.
- 5:00Rams horn I I haven't had it in a long time.
- 5:02I think Rams horn is better. A Rams horn like diner.
- 5:06Place is that local? Yeah, it's it's a Michigan
- 5:09thing. I.
- 5:09Think it local. What you're talking about?
- 5:11Fun fact Fun fact about Rams horn.
- 5:14It's better than big Boy in my opinion.
- 5:16It's better than big Boy and we used when we were in a band, the
- 5:21owner of Ram's Horn's son had his own band and he used the
- 5:26Ram's Horn money to try to, let's just say elevate his band
- 5:31to higher levels with Mommy Daddy Ram's Horn Money I.
- 5:35See what it should the Ram's. Horn.
- 5:36Let's just say he put it all up his nose.
- 5:40The the sovereign wealth of Ram's Horn.
- 5:43And his band flopped and we laughed.
- 5:48And every time he was at a show, we mercifully, unmercifully
- 5:52bullied him. Anyways, let's talk about video
- 5:55games. You think that would have gone
- 5:57better if it was macaroni grill money?
- 6:00He was heir to the macaroni. Grill like Clinton?
- 6:02What? No, no, I think.
- 6:04It would have gone. Macaroni Grill is not that is
- 6:06not local. Olga's, Olga's, Olga's.
- 6:10It would have gone better if it was like Olga's money.
- 6:12Yeah, that would have been insane.
- 6:14Why does that buy better cocaine?
- 6:16Olga's money just well, Olga's is a better restaurant.
- 6:19It buys more bread, though it's it's more expensive to eat
- 6:22there. All of the people from Michigan
- 6:24know what you're talking about. No one else does.
- 6:26Well, people know what Macaroni Grill is.
- 6:28That's a national. It was a national chain.
- 6:31What about Max and Irma's? Don't touch?
- 6:35Well, that may be a Midwestern thing.
- 6:37I'm not sure. Max Max and Irma's had the best.
- 6:40Chocolate cheese sticks you. Could get man.
- 6:42Well, they had the ice cream bar.
- 6:44There's a fucking macaroni grill out in California.
- 6:46There's. Yeah, they're all.
- 6:48They're all gone. I was.
- 6:50I was for a couple. Years.
- 6:53They haven't updated the website.
- 6:55Yeah, no, I was going to say, they don't even have one in
- 6:57Michigan, according to this. No, not anymore.
- 6:59There was 1 and it was across from where I went to college and
- 7:04every day I drove past and I said one day I'm going to go
- 7:07back there and it never did. And then one day it was gone,
- 7:10and then it was a Shake Shack. The one in Illinois is in the
- 7:13fucking airport. I was going to say, I think, I
- 7:17think, I think the last Max and Irmas I saw is in the D Detroit
- 7:21airport. I think it's.
- 7:22There's one in this is. This is macaroni.
- 7:25There used to be 1, the one that there's that B dubs in
- 7:29Farmington Hills now that used to be a Max and Irmas.
- 7:31That's gone. Beat UPS.
- 7:33I hate beat UPS. Is the beat UPS gone now too?
- 7:34I haven't been over there in a while.
- 7:36Yeah, I think that's gone too bad.
- 7:38If you've not, if you've not driven past there in a while,
- 7:40you should. That's very different.
- 7:41That beat UPS is where I actually had like Matt, Chad and
- 7:45a bunch of other people show up because that's what that's when
- 7:48we that's when we did the Super Mario.
- 7:49The smash tourney. The Smash tournaments, we did
- 7:52the Smash. We had a deal with beat UPS
- 7:53where we would do Smash tournaments.
- 7:55I section of their sort. I got to tell you guys Stank.
- 8:00Did the wing? There's my smell.
- 8:01Better if the wing Oh dude or is it just.
- 8:04A bad, bad. It was like, it was like.
- 8:06Bo and Parmesan garlic. It was.
- 8:09Like mustard gas and sarin gas, like, right.
- 8:12And you were in the thick of it, like you couldn't really get
- 8:14out. Of the one guy.
- 8:15Let's one rib and it's. Of white phosphorus in.
- 8:17There, bro, I got it up. You walk into the restaurant,
- 8:20you're like, I love the smell of napalm in the morning.
- 8:23Exactly. Well, it always just took
- 8:25forever too, so that was the other thing.
- 8:27But that's because beat up sucks.
- 8:29It's bad. It's yeah, it's bad.
- 8:31Max NERM is far better. Suck my Dick from the back.
- 8:33Beat up is awful. Max and Erma's had better
- 8:37coloring sheets when you were a kid too.
- 8:39I'm just going to bring that up. That's.
- 8:41Good all background new grill that you draw on the table.
- 8:43So Oh well, that's oh see, now I'm pissed off I never got.
- 8:46The and the waiter would come by and write their name like
- 8:49mirrored so that it was the right way for you but backwards
- 8:52for them. Super impressive.
- 8:54Yeah, OK, now I'm really happy that I never got to go to 1 of.
- 9:00These Anyways, who cares what's good?
- 9:03Also, I cares about the bracket. OK, 10 minutes of unusable
- 9:09content. It's all in the episode I've
- 9:11already. I've already done the intro
- 9:12easily. I know I.
- 9:14Can't cut anything after the intro.
- 9:16It's in you full. You can't cut anything, Yeah.
- 9:21Yeah. This is an OBO.
- 9:23Let's let's behave. Let's behave.
- 9:27There's some questions in that those shows.
- 9:29Should we recap what this is? Thank.
- 9:32You Bernie. Bernie said it best.
- 9:35All from you. Cool.
- 9:36Anyways, Noah, let's go through. Let's go through the bracket.
- 9:39Should we? All right, recap what this is.
- 9:41It's a 1V1 fight to the death, standard kit, mid game football
- 9:47field killer be killed. No running around, no using the
- 9:50props. The football field is there for
- 9:53scale. Only you know what that is.
- 9:55You know what it's like. Last time Cal Kestis rose his
- 9:59way to the top, Defeating. Who did he defeat?
- 10:03Where is he? Kirby.
- 10:05Yeah, defeating Kirby, but first.
- 10:07Pink bastard demon. He had defeat Cole, Cole McGrath
- 10:12and Cloud Strife and Octodad to to get to that point.
- 10:17So this this week we're going to do the right side and conclude.
- 10:23So the first fight we have is the semi bot from Repo versus
- 10:29Titus from Space Marine 2. Do you want the Warhammer guy to
- 10:34go first or? I don't know.
- 10:35I don't think. It goes first, do you?
- 10:37Want to go do the? List 1st and then we'll go back
- 10:39to the top or is that? Yeah, we can do that.
- 10:42Yeah. So after that, we're going to
- 10:44have Snake from Metal Gear Solid versus BJ.
- 10:47That's Wolfenstein. We're going to have Nico Bellic
- 10:51versus Master Chief, Arthur Morgan, Arthur Morgan versus Sam
- 10:57Bridges, Doomslayer versus Isaac Link versus Robert Robertson,
- 11:02Nathan Drake versus Jason Brody, and then Jen Sakai has the BI
- 11:07match for the next one. So I will say this, I have an
- 11:11interesting question once we get to Robert Robertson.
- 11:15I know it's it's not Mecca, man, but I do have a question.
- 11:19So we'll get there. OK, if you're going to ask, can
- 11:21he call for help? Can he dispatch?
- 11:25People, can he just dispatch? Well, his standard shows involve
- 11:28his computer. He.
- 11:29Would have his computer there. I mean, he would have, yeah, his
- 11:32computer or his phone. Yeah, He would have a.
- 11:33He would have a. Phone.
- 11:34He might go far. This might be actually kind of.
- 11:36Invisigal. Or I feel like calling help is.
- 11:40Well, we'll get, we'll get there.
- 11:41First we got to. We got to figure out.
- 11:43We'll, we'll see. It's the semi bot's dead, Titus
- 11:47semi bot. Is so fucking dead.
- 11:48This is. Yeah, this is.
- 11:49This is. Really not.
- 11:50A question. What a what a bad role.
- 11:53Yeah, Titus immediately goes. He doesn't even say for the
- 11:56amber. He just goes what the fuck is
- 11:58this Flick I? Don't think he even says that he
- 12:00just hears the semi bot, he just hears the.
- 12:02Semi bot. And it's like one of our voices
- 12:04talking in like 1 of the goofy tones it has and he doesn't
- 12:07even. Say he doesn't just.
- 12:08Walks it. He just walks over, Yeah.
- 12:12He, Titus, is going to hear Fetty Wap coming through the
- 12:15speaker and he's, he's pissed. I'd be like damn.
- 12:20You. Fart.
- 12:21There's really no chance it it wins anything.
- 12:24No, it's dead. It's dead.
- 12:26I think the semi bot could have beaten Robert Robertson
- 12:29potentially. Probably.
- 12:30I could see that, yes. Although Robert Robertson is
- 12:34like, is he like a robotics guy or he just has the suit?
- 12:39Like did he? Have the suit.
- 12:40I mean, when he's just, well, he's.
- 12:42Patched up the suit so he's got a little bit of.
- 12:45But when he's a little bit of just him, he's really like his
- 12:51most special trait when he's I I would say I would argue his his
- 12:54best trait when he's out of the suit is inspiring others as the
- 12:59game is. A little bit of wit, yeah.
- 13:02Like wit in humor. He's not really like fighter,
- 13:06certainly, but we'll get to that when we get to him.
- 13:11Well, OK, who we got, we got snake versus BJI.
- 13:18Think BJ because. I think BJ.
- 13:23Snake can't snake right like that.
- 13:25That was the same thing we ran into with Ezio in the last
- 13:29episode, right? You can't sneak around.
- 13:32Like, I mean, yeah, you got guns and chips, but he's got.
- 13:34The box. He's got the box.
- 13:36Oh yeah, what he could hide from the box.
- 13:38Serious cardboard box in the center of this fucking football.
- 13:41Let's let's also, let's also remember, hold on Nick, before
- 13:44you go on, let's also remember that BJ is basically an ancestor
- 13:48or like what would he technically be an offspring of
- 13:52the Doomslayer or like a long Yeah.
- 13:55So like. No, this is Doom, Doomslayer's
- 13:58offspring of BJ. OK.
- 14:00So then even then I I think it's it's Doomslayer, Doomslayer
- 14:06bloodline versus Snake. I think that.
- 14:08Is you're talking about generational hate, I think the
- 14:13only. BJ hates Nazi is a snake a Nazi?
- 14:15No, no, no, no. But just if he No, no, no, no,
- 14:19no, no. No, I haven't played those.
- 14:21Games but like I think for like BJ here, at least it it once he
- 14:25kills snake, it'd still be it it'd be a nice little salute.
- 14:29He would at least give snake a nice little salute.
- 14:32We can agree that it's. Snake a nut?
- 14:34Yeah, as he. Fucking kills him.
- 14:37Yeah. I think, well, at the end of the
- 14:40day, right, they see each other as hostile, so.
- 14:43Yeah. But it would be a gunfight.
- 14:46BJ wins, you know? They would just be shooting at
- 14:48each other until they got close enough to get a hit.
- 14:51BJ's heads been removed and sewn back on dude.
- 14:54Yeah, yeah, Yeah. Well, all right.
- 14:59Pretty easy, those two, yeah. Oh, this next one, this one real
- 15:02head scratch. Yeah, it's a real tough one
- 15:04here. I think Niko Bellic versus
- 15:06Master Chief. All right, so let's let's give
- 15:09Nico an honest chance here. What could he?
- 15:12Possible chance, Could you? Possibly.
- 15:14Throw a bolt. There's there's no honest
- 15:16chance, but I'm just trying to give him a bit.
- 15:18He throws a. Cheat code into his cell phone
- 15:20and spawns a fucking helicopter. Like what do you mean what's
- 15:23happening here? It's a load out.
- 15:26I guess the phone is standard kit.
- 15:29Yeah. He can spike around the chief.
- 15:32Kit. More likely, what would happen
- 15:34if my playthrough of GTA4 is anything to go by is that he
- 15:39would open up the phone to do it and then Roman would call him
- 15:42and then he's done. Oh my God, yeah, he's dead.
- 15:46Yeah, it. Meanwhile, Master Chief is
- 15:48sitting over there with a sniper and an energy sword.
- 15:50Just. Wait, Master Chief from?
- 15:54Oh, he's Halo. Three.
- 15:55OK Halo. Three.
- 15:56OK. I was going to say if.
- 15:57It was Halo 3, Chief. Different.
- 15:59It's just, yeah, Halo the show. He might actually have a chance.
- 16:02Worse. For Nico I I was going to say
- 16:05for for Halo the show Halo the show Chief.
- 16:08I think Nico might stand a chance, but any video?
- 16:11Yeah, that's because he doesn't have his ass on.
- 16:13He just has his ass out. He's got yeah, Master.
- 16:15Chiefs, yeah. He's.
- 16:18Got I saw something with that. Halo 3.
- 16:20He's the other day, just a completely unrelated show, and I
- 16:23was like, man, I fucking hate this guy.
- 16:26Oh, the reactor, Yeah, that's. Directors and shit.
- 16:30That's Liam Schreiber's brother, that he's like his younger
- 16:32brother or whatever. I don't.
- 16:33Know. If you knew about that, he
- 16:34played what's his name from the X-Men Origins movie.
- 16:37What's his brother's name? Sabretooth.
- 16:40He played Sabretooth. Oh yeah, shitty X-Men Origins
- 16:42movie that came out a long time ago.
- 16:45Okay, yeah, that guy. I actually don't have anything
- 16:48against the guy. I'm pretty sure he was playing a
- 16:50shit bag in whatever we were watching.
- 16:52I can't remember what it was. Probably.
- 16:55Yeah, You saw it. It just gave you a bad taste in
- 16:57your you're like fucking. Typically never the actors
- 17:01fault, however. You know what's?
- 17:04You know what you're doing. Dude, come on, you, you read,
- 17:07you read the script where it said your cheeks are out, You're
- 17:12you're like, does this serve Master Chief Would my.
- 17:14Exterior. Ever do that?
- 17:17Sir, I have a question about this script.
- 17:20No, no, no, no, no. OK, fine, I'll get my cheeks
- 17:23out. They just lean over.
- 17:24And just go shoot, shoot. It's like, come on, think about
- 17:27it for a little. Bit Oh my God.
- 17:29Well, technically you never show his face either, but we're
- 17:31showing you OK all. Right.
- 17:34Well, we saw his face in another show.
- 17:35So there you go, Master Chief Face reveal.
- 17:40All right. So Master Chief wins that one.
- 17:42Yeah, Master Chief wins, Wins Master Chief.
- 17:45Wins. Now, I I think this is where
- 17:47it's going to get a little interesting, a little even more
- 17:49evenly matched. We got Arthur Morgan versus Sam
- 17:52Bridges. Well, good news is Arthur
- 17:55Morgan, halfway through that game, does not have
- 17:58tuberculosis. That is what I was going to say.
- 18:01He does so very good for him. That bad news is Sam has at this
- 18:06point an arsenal of automatic weapons, which that first that's
- 18:12stranding, yeah. I would say.
- 18:16There, what's the argument? He, he has blood weapons.
- 18:19He the bullets have literal blood inside him, so he's just
- 18:22infecting him more than even if he's not sick.
- 18:25Arthur has mid level deadeye and a rolling block rifle.
- 18:29That is all he. Needs.
- 18:30I was going to say the deadeye. I, I and I get that.
- 18:33But the technology here though? Arthur's also listening to
- 18:36D'Angelo while this is happening.
- 18:38Also, he has a war. He only goes so.
- 18:40Far. Like a bullet to the head
- 18:42revolver is the fucking same as a.
- 18:44Bullet, he's the head from. Something.
- 18:46Else get that he's still got to hit.
- 18:48I think Arthur probably wins, but I don't I don't I wouldn't I
- 18:52wouldn't count Sam out just yet. I.
- 18:54Mean I think this is one of the more challenging ones on this
- 18:58side. This is a pretty difficult pick
- 19:00because we're assuming that both characters see each other as an
- 19:04immediate threat, and Arthur's a very at at least implied
- 19:08dependent even regardless of you know your how you play him.
- 19:11He's very much implied as being a very dangerous outlaw in a lot
- 19:15of ways, and he got that reputation somehow.
- 19:17So that's kind of where I lean towards where Sam is not.
- 19:23He's not a violent by. Danger person?
- 19:25Yeah, he's not known for being dangerous or particularly.
- 19:27Violent. So like especially in the first
- 19:29game, everything. Is more of a party.
- 19:31Right, for the most part. Yes.
- 19:33No. More or less.
- 19:34I mean, yeah, like. Yeah.
- 19:37It's not his inclination to try to kill someone, whereas Arthur
- 19:41really wouldn't bat much of a fucking eye at it.
- 19:44Birdie brings up a good point here because the entire point of
- 19:46not killing people in the first game.
- 19:48I don't remember how much of a difference it makes in the
- 19:50second game, but the whole point of not killing people is because
- 19:53they will have they will cause a.
- 19:54Void out. Which is like a big explosion.
- 19:56Essentially. So I'm wondering if that also.
- 19:58You don't like he? He's inherently trained to not
- 20:01kill people. I was going to say that's that's
- 20:03a big that's a big against Sam because Sam and the at this
- 20:07point has seen what a void out will do.
- 20:10So he's he'd be apprehensive. He would Sam.
- 20:13In this instance, Sam would. I think he would choke.
- 20:17Hesitate. He would.
- 20:18He would. Hesitate, whereas Arthur
- 20:19wouldn't. But the problem is he's a
- 20:20repatriate. So that I think in this instance
- 20:24doesn't necessarily. It applies because it.
- 20:28Does it apply? Is he gonna?
- 20:31So how quick does that? How long does it take for him to
- 20:33come back after Arthur shoots him?
- 20:36Let's say Arthur pops him in the head with the revolver.
- 20:38Yeah, 100 yards away, right? He gets a great dead eye shot,
- 20:41you know, and. I don't know how long it takes
- 20:44to repatriate or repatriate. So like what is that?
- 20:47Like he heals. He doesn't.
- 20:49He can't. He can't die.
- 20:51He can't. Die.
- 20:53Sam cannot die exactly. So do you think that?
- 20:57He could be stranded on the beach though, but not by a
- 21:00bullet to the head is not just going to.
- 21:02But so then, but in the game. Go ahead, Noah.
- 21:05Well, so I didn't play it in the Deo Kojima God in the game when
- 21:11if your health zeroes out, what happens?
- 21:15You died and come back. You re, you repatriate, which is
- 21:18where? In game Noah, you find your, you
- 21:22find like essentially Sam's body.
- 21:25You go back into his mouth, it does a little cutscene, and then
- 21:28you you restart the last checkpoint, so to speak.
- 21:31It's Kojima. I don't know what you want me to
- 21:33say. I can't.
- 21:34Bertie's face is all you need. We need to see like it's.
- 21:36Immediate it's Immediate it's. Immediately it's.
- 21:39Immediately, yeah, I think if Arthur gets the shot.
- 21:42On immediately, with his soul watching back from the seam to
- 21:45the beat. So, but do we?
- 21:46But do we think that that really applies in this instance or is
- 21:49it more? Of yeah, because it's a thing he
- 21:50does. Yeah, so like so then he But
- 21:52does he win everything? Because when he fights Chief,
- 21:55he's just going to repatriate too, until he figures out how to
- 21:57beat. Yeah, like.
- 21:58Yeah, I see what you're saying. There's a certain.
- 22:00Level of invincibility that comes with that that makes.
- 22:06I think there's, I don't write the rules, but I'm willing to
- 22:09bend here. I'm willing to bend here,
- 22:11absolutely. Because that becomes a thing
- 22:13where Sam just wins. Yeah, but also that's a, it's a
- 22:16fucking, it's, it's a video game mechanic.
- 22:18Everybody responds. You can dress it up however you
- 22:21want. That's true.
- 22:22It's not. They just because they just
- 22:24because they put. I get it, but it is a story beat
- 22:27as well. Just because they put.
- 22:28Why? Sam.
- 22:29Is a thing. Yeah, I don't think that.
- 22:31I give what you're saying, Nick. I think just because of the
- 22:34sense of the bracket though. Yeah, no, I listen.
- 22:38No, I know, I know you're not. Arthur would shoot on sight.
- 22:43Sam would not. Arthur chokes.
- 22:45Let's just say he does repatriate.
- 22:48A death is a death you lose. Yeah.
- 22:50He's he's still, yeah. He comes back.
- 22:52We'll say he does come back. So technically it's just like a
- 22:55but give me one second. You guys continue on.
- 23:00OK, yeah, I I think Arthur, Arthur's going to win this
- 23:06mainly because he's going to be first to attack.
- 23:08And I think that would be the only thing that like, if Sam did
- 23:13come in aggressive and did pull out some future fucking bullshit
- 23:19Hideo Kojima fucking weapon of some sort, sure, I think he'd
- 23:23probably take him. But I don't think, I don't know,
- 23:28it is kind of one of those difficult things because you
- 23:31kind of look through, I mean, most of most of the people we've
- 23:34had in here have been aggressive off of the RIP anyway.
- 23:38So I don't think we've like leaned in that direction where
- 23:41we like, Oh, well, you know, if this guy's automatically
- 23:46aggressive, like, I mean, Cole McGrath beat Mario, right?
- 23:50So it's like, yeah, Mario wouldn't be inherently
- 23:52aggressive right off the get go either.
- 23:54But I think in this instance, I don't know, I guess we I guess
- 24:00there is the one situation where we said Mario would be Ellie.
- 24:04So it is kind of like. There's a chance.
- 24:08There is precedent for it, but also I still think Arthur Morgan
- 24:14is a more trained trained killer.
- 24:16I guess more experienced killer than what Sam is.
- 24:19Yeah, I I would agree with experienced, yeah.
- 24:22It seems like Sam kills out of necessity and Arthur does it
- 24:26like because he's good at it. But he like really doesn't
- 24:29through the games because those deaths will cause essentially,
- 24:32like we said, like nuclear explosions.
- 24:34However. That's what I'm saying.
- 24:35Like he doesn't. Like he's not.
- 24:37He's not. Yeah, I get what you're.
- 24:39We didn't want to make a ruling without you here, just in case
- 24:42you were going to object. Arthur Morgan's going to win
- 24:45because like I said, yes, he'll repatriate.
- 24:49I I think a death is a death. I I think he just wins on.
- 24:52You die, you die, you lose the fight if you.
- 24:54Die That's that's about it yeah like I'm I'm sure Sam could pull
- 24:57out some sort of future attacker like some sort of move set that
- 25:00might screw with him. But even then it's it's a
- 25:03distance fight at that point. Neither of them are particularly
- 25:05fast on their own. They are.
- 25:08It's the best part of this entire thing is that they have
- 25:12to go. Whoever wins this has to face
- 25:14Chief next, so let. Me tell you I'm going to be, I'm
- 25:17going to be arguing like I'm in court for my boy Arthur Morgan
- 25:19when he fights Chief. I'm going to be.
- 25:21I think you're pulling out all the stops.
- 25:23Sam Sam at this point would also have augmented legs, augmented
- 25:28fists. I don't think it makes a.
- 25:31Difference for Arthur. The Arthur got that man.
- 25:33From the 1700s or whatever. So the only thing is Sam would
- 25:37have incredible speed at this point because of the bio legs or
- 25:42the Morgan has a. Tax lever action rifle.
- 25:45I was going to say, have you ever been shot with a
- 25:46Winchester? Yeah.
- 25:48Like I don't think it's going to feel good for Sam no matter what
- 25:50tech. He's I understand, I'm just
- 25:52saying the future tech here may outdo Arthur but I don't think
- 25:56Sam would. He would hesitate and choke even
- 25:59if he got close. Arthur's going to win.
- 26:01I think like we were just talking about it while you were
- 26:03gone. I I genuinely think Sam Porter
- 26:07Bridges has the level of aggressiveness that like Octodad
- 26:11has. They're really not aggressive
- 26:13human beings or. Characters.
- 26:15This is the second thing I would say no.
- 26:18No, that's yeah, that's different.
- 26:19But like I think that Sam is in the first game, especially mid
- 26:23game, he's really not accustomed to fighting still.
- 26:26Like he's aware of it. He knows he has to do it, but he
- 26:28still doesn't. He doesn't take, he doesn't kill
- 26:31people. Yeah, I mean, he doesn't want
- 26:33to. No, he doesn't want to.
- 26:35Exactly. Arthur doesn't give a fuck.
- 26:37Arthur's just going. To go fuck you, Arthur Morgan
- 26:39goes through, Yeah. Yeah, Arthur goes to fight
- 26:41Chief. Incredible.
- 26:44Next up is the Doomslayer from the Eternal versus Isaac.
- 26:49Doomslayer. Yeah, I think Isaac is going to
- 26:52see it and be like, OK, maybe I could take that and then it
- 26:55doomslayer's just going to be dodging and weaving and.
- 26:59Here's the problem. It's Eternal Doom Slayer too, so
- 27:03the fastest fastest. Fuck.
- 27:06Right, how do so how do how do we think this really goes down?
- 27:08I because I I love my boy Isaac, but I don't think he wins is I
- 27:12don't. Think, I think he just starts,
- 27:14he starts firing off that weapon, but it's too slow.
- 27:17He never hits him. And then I think before he knows
- 27:19it, like the Doomslayer's going to hit him with a flying knee
- 27:22right through his head. I think he's not going to shoot
- 27:24Isaac either. He's just going to RIP him.
- 27:25Apart, I think you guys are all giving Isaac way too much
- 27:27credit. He's going to see his.
- 27:29I was not. Don't worry, he's going to see.
- 27:31The ghost of his girlfriend behind the Doomslayer, and he's
- 27:33going to die because he's going to just be entirely focused on
- 27:36the apparition. Yeah, what a power of bench.
- 27:39I mean, it's yeah, he's very much a a, a plagued individual,
- 27:42I would say. So like I think he just loses us
- 27:45on count of he's going to see the Doomslayer and think he's
- 27:47some sort of like alpha necromorphism.
- 27:51He's not going to know what to. Do with?
- 27:53I mean, kinda, yeah. I mean.
- 27:55Essentially, yeah, he's not going to be as grotesque,
- 27:57obviously, but it's certainly going to be something where it's
- 27:59so jarring you don't know what to deal with.
- 28:01And yeah, you like you guys said, his weapons are far too
- 28:03slow and he's far too slow to deal with.
- 28:06Yeah, especially Doom Eternal. It's like a Doom Eternal fastest
- 28:09Doomslayer. So yeah, like he he, I don't
- 28:12think he'd have a chance of any Doomslayer, but.
- 28:15Any doomslayer would have killed Isaac.
- 28:17Even from the first game on. It's like this.
- 28:20The angriest It is the he is the angriest man alive ever.
- 28:26I'll give I'll give him one chance.
- 28:28Do you guys think that the the the plasma cutter would cut
- 28:32through any part of Doomslayer's armor at all?
- 28:34I don't think he would have a chance to use it.
- 28:37That's a fairpoint. If you guys think it's too slow,
- 28:39maybe I don't know. I don't know anything about the
- 28:42material that his. Suit is made out of that armor
- 28:45is no doom one through 3 probably it would cut through
- 28:50but also like Doom 1, Doom 1 there's that like exposed belly
- 28:54there's like. Yeah, because I wanted to shoot
- 28:56some bad rock. He had hot boys summer fucking
- 28:59crop top man. So then is that is, well,
- 29:02Doomslayer's never entirely covered, so is there a chance
- 29:04Isaac gets a shot off on the arms, maybe cuts off an arm?
- 29:07I don't think so. I'm not.
- 29:08I think the. Modern ones.
- 29:10He is covered, isn't he? He is.
- 29:11He's got, he's got a little bit of a thing right there, but.
- 29:14That's oh, so it's so small it wouldn't even matter.
- 29:16Yeah, I like, it's not some sort of dead eye.
- 29:18I don't think he was going to get some crazy shot off.
- 29:21He knows how to shoot the big fleshy parts of like.
- 29:24A You know he's already killed the devil.
- 29:26And I also just think at. This point I think whatever
- 29:29weapon I think Doomslayer wins. Whatever weapon Isaac has, it's
- 29:33too slow, you know? This is also a mid game.
- 29:38Yeah. Yeah, so BFG.
- 29:41Yeah. Yeah, so so he has that.
- 29:42I was going to say the only saving grace that Isaac has at
- 29:45this point mid game is he has the it's not a gravity gun, but
- 29:48it's that gravity repulsor gun that basically like flays off
- 29:52the the flesh or like just uses this huge blast of gravity in a
- 29:58certain direction. I think that would help if he
- 30:00was trying to push Doomslayer back.
- 30:01But I don't think Doomslayer needs to get close.
- 30:03I think this Doomslayer has. The grappling hook too, though.
- 30:07Oh, I didn't. I don't.
- 30:08I didn't Doomaturnel. That's fair.
- 30:10Yeah, yeah, 100%. Isaac I.
- 30:12Haven't had a Doomaturnel in a long time.
- 30:14Yeah, it's a good. Reference Yeah, he goes to
- 30:15repulsive and that that fucking. Right through the net straight.
- 30:19Through his throat. So here's the thing I would love
- 30:21to see a bunch of because Dead Space always had those really
- 30:23cool kill cams when you died. Would love to see a bunch of
- 30:26Doomslayer killing Isaac like that, would be pretty cool.
- 30:30Pretty sweet. I like Isaac, but that's.
- 30:34I like Isaac too, but yeah, he loses that.
- 30:37I liked it when he made a cameo appearance in Skate 3.
- 30:40That was my favorite. Didn't he really?
- 30:42That's a. Slayer moment or Dead Space
- 30:45skate 3? Oh skate 3 I was thinking of
- 30:48Tony Hawk Pro. Skating where do?
- 30:49You know. But Isaac was in Skate 3 if you
- 30:53entered a code and he had his own little that's a skateboard.
- 30:57Hell yeah. That's bad.
- 30:59Most of them have been skateboarders at some.
- 31:02Point now who wins in the game of Skate?
- 31:04That's the real question. Isaac well, do you think Slayer
- 31:07has proven pretty thrashy? Isaac plays Isaac exists in a
- 31:12more accurate, more realistic skateboarding game.
- 31:15So I'm going to give it to him on that.
- 31:16But that's. Fine, I don't give it to you
- 31:18have to understand, Isaac is a Lovecraftian protagonist.
- 31:21He is constantly plagued by horrific images.
- 31:24He's moping all the time. I don't think he has the he's
- 31:28too depressed to skate. Like he he no dude, he would
- 31:31definitely bust out a sweet switch laser flip down A4 block.
- 31:34Yeah, he would. But then he would like
- 31:36immediately, like pull a gun and point it at himself because he
- 31:39was just doing, I can't deal with the images anymore.
- 31:41And it's like, what are you talking about, Isaac?
- 31:43He's like. He's a big fan.
- 31:44He's like, he's like the marker and we're like, what are you?
- 31:47Talking about in the in the next bracket, when we do video game
- 31:50characters that appear in extreme sports games, we'll get
- 31:56more into that, but. Yeah.
- 31:58Now we need we need to learn what would happen if we put up
- 32:03Link from Breath of the Wild and Robert Robertson.
- 32:07OK, so let's decide now. Can Robert call in help?
- 32:13I don't think. You can try, but it's going to
- 32:15take them time to get there, and by that time I think Link's
- 32:18going to have put the master. Bow and arrow right through the
- 32:20head or bow and arrow bow. And arrow.
- 32:23And it's big game, so he's got at least two of the four.
- 32:30Like what do they call the divine?
- 32:32Beasts, Yeah, Oh my God. This is also really hard to
- 32:36determine what you would have kitted out at mid game because
- 32:41of how right how the structure like you could technically go
- 32:44get the master sword. Super I so I had the master
- 32:47sword early because I traded all my stamina for hearts.
- 32:51And. Dispatch.
- 32:52Dispatch mid game is also not really any different because
- 32:55they're like inherently the inherently the mid game of
- 32:59dispatch is when several of your characters are upgraded.
- 33:03So like, that doesn't really affect Robert in any sort of
- 33:06real sense at this point because he can't call and help.
- 33:08My thing is, I think Robert gets a point for scrappiness.
- 33:11I think he's going to survive a couple attacks from Link.
- 33:14If it's a bow and arrow. Robert's just a little bit
- 33:17scrappy. He's going to.
- 33:21I mean. You're you're aiming here, you
- 33:24know, like and he's he's scrappy again, like I sort of he's gonna
- 33:27these are. Divine arrows.
- 33:29OK, it could be. Robert Robertson is also a NECA
- 33:31man in what? If he just throws a magic bomb
- 33:35at. Yeah, he's like, that's a
- 33:36different thing. Yeah, he doesn't win that.
- 33:38I'm saying like if it's just if it's an arrow and it's towards
- 33:41Robert, I think he might have scrappiness to survive.
- 33:43I don't think he wins this, I think.
- 33:44Think, I mean, there's, there's a potential that Link might
- 33:47throw like a tree branch at him and that might piss him off a
- 33:50little bit. Or he uses the Clorox leaf and
- 33:53just blows him around. I didn't give anything.
- 33:55I think if anything Robert gets maybe 1 phone call but I don't
- 34:00think it would really make a difference by the time they got
- 34:03there. The only person who the only
- 34:04person who can make the difference on that would be
- 34:07what's her name? With the fast guy, who's the
- 34:10fast? Guy.
- 34:11Oh, you're talking about who's the fucking?
- 34:15Oh God, why can't I think of her name?
- 34:18I'm talking a music gal. No, not a music gal.
- 34:20The other. One Jeffrey Wright.
- 34:22No. The other love interests.
- 34:24Fuck, why are we forgiving? Her name?
- 34:27Because we, we, we haven't. Played this.
- 34:28She's the the blonde lady, right?
- 34:30Yeah, yeah, blonde blazer. The blue blonde.
- 34:33Blazer. Well, and then and then.
- 34:35Also, I love that. Who's her boyfriend?
- 34:37What's what's her boyfriend's name?
- 34:39It's God. Damn it Omni Omni man fuck.
- 34:48Omni Omni man, that's Invincible spoilers.
- 34:52I can't remember her boyfriend's name.
- 34:53Oh my. Gosh, link wins I think were
- 34:55agreed. Yes, link wins.
- 34:57Link wins, but I I think. Link.
- 34:59For sure. I think the only thing that
- 35:01would have saved Robert is if he could call in blonde phenomenon
- 35:03or phenomenon phenomenon. I think.
- 35:06I think that's the only thing. Because honestly, yeah, no, but
- 35:08not even Jeffrey Wright's character would be able to
- 35:09because Jeffrey Wright's character is old.
- 35:11He's that's like kind of the crux of that.
- 35:13That's that he's like not allowed to run fast.
- 35:17It's not. Yeah, Flame Bay or Sonar could
- 35:20maybe get there quick, but Flame Bay's an asshole.
- 35:23Still to Robert by. This point I don't think he
- 35:25would. Sonar has a drug issue.
- 35:27Well, and then also depends mid game is you choose.
- 35:30So that's another thing. Yeah, Sonar could maybe not be a
- 35:33part of your team at all at that point.
- 35:36Yeah. Hey, look at.
- 35:37Their fights. Link wins.
- 35:38It doesn't matter. Yeah.
- 35:39Yeah, Link wins for sure. I this fight.
- 35:42This is gonna be a fight. This one, this one should be
- 35:46good. Yeah, this.
- 35:47Is too literally fist to come. To normal guys Nathan Drake and
- 35:52Jason Brody. So I'll start this one off.
- 35:56Go ahead. I have heard it described that
- 35:59Nathan Drake doesn't actually lose health.
- 36:02He loses luck. He utilizes his luck and when he
- 36:07gets hit and dies, finally his luck ran out.
- 36:11And I actually really like that. And that being said, it's not
- 36:16ever explained in games that way but the way Nathan Drake takes
- 36:21out drones of fucking. People.
- 36:23Oh, he's a mass killer. He he's killed more people in
- 36:27Sony games than most. Characters to to give birdie
- 36:30he's. Kind of a fucking.
- 36:31Menace Jason Birdie is also a mass killer.
- 36:34I'm not going to disagree with that.
- 36:35Yeah, this is also true. Nathan Nathan Drake is
- 36:38absolutely a mass killer I think as well Jason Birdie is.
- 36:40They're just different, different styles, right?
- 36:44Like Nathan drinks very much. Two sides of the same coin.
- 36:47Nathan drinks very much chasing that Indiana Jones I'm taking
- 36:50down bad guys thing, whereas Jason Brody kind of.
- 36:53I would argue he loses a little bit of his mind in the process.
- 36:58Yeah, that's like the whole crux of the game is when if you
- 37:01decide to leave the island, he's like, he's like, we're leaving,
- 37:04but I'm fucked. This is so bad.
- 37:06Like I'm. Broke right or if he I got this
- 37:08half. Sleeve tattoo What's?
- 37:11Her name kids and then dies anyway so.
- 37:13Yeah. You know not.
- 37:16Good. I think this is a tough one.
- 37:18But Jason Brody has more guns, I would say.
- 37:21More weapons. Yeah, you know, he's got the
- 37:24bow, but I think if it came down to like fisticuffs, I don't
- 37:28know, I think. I think Jason Brody would.
- 37:30Win, I think I think, I think Nathan Drake wins because I
- 37:33don't think Jason Birdie could handle the quips because he.
- 37:36Barely. I don't know.
- 37:37Jason has the jungle madness, and that's gonna he does.
- 37:40Have the jungle madness quips, Yeah.
- 37:41But that's The thing is like, he fights like, what's, what's the,
- 37:44the character's name? His name's Voss or whatever.
- 37:47The one with the Mohawk. Yeah.
- 37:49Yeah. And he's always taunting Jason
- 37:52Birdie. And Birdie is Jason Birdie's
- 37:54like, like, yeah. And like he, he loses his
- 37:57footing a little bit. He gets a little too aggressive.
- 37:59I think he doesn't handle it as well if Nathan Drake's like, oh,
- 38:03you got that cool tattoo on your arm, huh?
- 38:06And it's like, oh, yeah, I think, I think Jason Brody's
- 38:08going to get a little pissed off at that.
- 38:09I don't think he's. I think he's going to lose his
- 38:11footing or he's going to lose his, I think.
- 38:13People get mad in a fight they tend to fucking lose because
- 38:17they quit paying attention to what the fuck they're.
- 38:19Doing and I would argue Nathan Drake has this incredible
- 38:23quality of this is Uncharted 3. So I would argue he never really
- 38:31gets mad in a fight. He just knows it's survival.
- 38:36It's it's either I win and I get to keep going or I get knocked
- 38:41out and I die or lose or whatever.
- 38:43Like I guess that's the thing that maybe it's always present
- 38:45throughout the Uncharted games. Nathan Drake never really gets
- 38:49aggressive or angry in the way that a lot of other protagonists
- 38:51do, if that's. Because he's a fucking
- 38:53psychopath. Well, yeah, he's.
- 38:55He has killed so many people and immediately after it's over he
- 38:59makes a fucking quip like he's a fucking.
- 39:03It's the essence of Naughty Dog characters.
- 39:05I don't know. They always have these
- 39:06incredible journeys, but they kill swaths of people just.
- 39:09Gutted a man and he's like. Nathan Drake, because he's
- 39:13Sony's Loki, basically, is what I'm going to say.
- 39:16Nathan Drake is the type of character where you kill a hotel
- 39:18room full of people. You go up to the hotel roof and
- 39:20jump in the pool and he goes Marco.
- 39:23He's waiting for someone to say Polo Shake.
- 39:25While there's not, he's just loading everywhere.
- 39:29Sorry, I didn't mean to. Splash every he's.
- 39:32Like, yeah, Bertie's right. He's a psychopath.
- 39:34That's why I think he. Wins.
- 39:36It sounds like I'm being outvoted here.
- 39:38It sounds like Nathan Drake's gonna take it.
- 39:40Well, what's the argument for you though?
- 39:42I would just say Jason Brody has like an assault rifle and Nathan
- 39:45Drake is gonna get hit by that. They both have assault rifles at
- 39:48this point. Well, so I then, yeah, if it
- 39:50comes to a hand to hand, I think Jason Brody just does stabbing
- 39:55hand to hand if you don't fight hand to hand.
- 39:57I think Nathan Drake wins fisticuffs just on virtue of the
- 40:00games being better in family. Jason Combat versus Jason Brody
- 40:05is going to come at him with that ceremonial.
- 40:07He's got the, he's got the ceremonial and.
- 40:09Nathan Drake is going to be like, I need that, I want that.
- 40:13He's gonna take it, dude. Oh.
- 40:14Yeah, he's gonna try to fucking. That's a good point.
- 40:17That's a good point. Wow.
- 40:18Yeah, he said. Oh, an artifact from an
- 40:20Aboriginal culture. I'll have that please.
- 40:23It's a shame you like the guy needs that.
- 40:25Yeah. Yeah, I need that.
- 40:26Yeah, Nathan Drake's the type of guy to see that dagger and then
- 40:29like, turn it around and stab it back in on Jason Brody and make
- 40:33like, like force himself to to stab him.
- 40:35And then he's gonna be like, thank you for the dagger.
- 40:38And he's gonna. Make wipe the blood off on him,
- 40:40yeah. Also, and he's gonna just move
- 40:42on. Also mid game Jason Brody's
- 40:44probably high on mushrooms. And Nathan Drake has like spent
- 40:48his whole life like adventuring around.
- 40:50Jason Brody is like a 22 year old who booked a bad vacation.
- 40:54Yes, yeah. So I think, I think.
- 40:55We've all been there. By entirety 3, he's essentially
- 40:58gone through yeah, two, I think three other expeditions more or
- 41:03less are implied. He's got the first, the second
- 41:06games obviously, but then I think.
- 41:08There's in between. He's a sort of established as
- 41:11someone who does this prior to the first game.
- 41:13I think it's not his first rodeo.
- 41:15It's not certainly like an experienced.
- 41:17He's not experienced by that point.
- 41:18But I think just on the virtue of the fact that it's Uncharted
- 41:213, he probably beats this because yeah, Jason Brodie is
- 41:25again, mid game. I would argue he's still a
- 41:28nervous 22 year old. He's not prepared to deal with
- 41:32the seasoned treasure hunter like Nathan Drake at that point.
- 41:37Jason Brody has the cooler last name though.
- 41:39I'm just saying he does. Oh my God.
- 41:41All right, Princess, we get it. Your.
- 41:42Name is Brody. I kind of agree with Birdie on
- 41:44that. It's Jason.
- 41:46Birdie does sound pretty bad ass like.
- 41:48I'm not give it to. Out of all the.
- 41:50I'm Nathan Drake. Cool.
- 41:52Like. Here, here.
- 41:53Can I ask you all a question? Name the protagonist from Far
- 41:56Cry 4-5 or six. I have never.
- 42:00Played well. The one from 4.
- 42:01His first name is Ajay. That's Ajay Galley.
- 42:04Ajay Galley, the. Fifth one, they just call you
- 42:07the rookie. Do you have a name in the 6th 1
- 42:10you do? What is it?
- 42:11The 6th 1. You don't remember because it
- 42:13wasn't a good game. Let's.
- 42:16I thought it was. What about Primal?
- 42:18Yeah, what about Primal? What's unga bunga?
- 42:21That's your name. Iunga first name last, therefore
- 42:26Ibunga. Yeah.
- 42:28Therefore is the middle name. Therefore, is the middle name
- 42:30exactly. I bunga is the last name
- 42:33anyways. He, she, me, bunga.
- 42:36Yeah, I think, I think Drake wins this shit because he's a
- 42:39goddamn psychopath, Yes. He's he's got nothing behind
- 42:42those eyes. He's some Brody.
- 42:44All right, well, let's do we want to keep, do we want to go
- 42:47back up so we can get Nathan Drake versus Jin Sakai?
- 42:53Sure. Yeah, let's, let's let's see if
- 42:54Nathan. 'S journey ends here.
- 42:56Oh. So do you think Nathan Drake is
- 42:58enough of a psycho to kill a no? No A.
- 43:01Samurai who has been trained since he was a little boy.
- 43:04Absolutely not. Hold on.
- 43:06He's getting dogs. Though no, no, no, no, I no, I
- 43:09no, he's not because. It's Jin has seen guns.
- 43:11But we're going. But we're going off of the fact
- 43:13that they're a football field away from each other.
- 43:15Nathan Drake has a gun. Jin suck gin Sockeye doesn't
- 43:18have anything other than a bow. It's just guns, dude.
- 43:20Nathan Drake is our hail firing that motherfucker, bro.
- 43:23Nathan. Drake just has.
- 43:24All rifles grenade. Like here's the thing, I.
- 43:26Hate that you're right because I like.
- 43:29Because I really like gin, too. No honor.
- 43:32It's Yeah, I. Know 100% among thieves.
- 43:35I-100 that's also true. I didn't think.
- 43:38Yeah. Also, again, that's a good
- 43:40point. Just like the Jason Brody fight
- 43:43Jin is going to see or Nathan Drake is going to see Jin's
- 43:45armor and be like I want. That I want that.
- 43:49Look at that mask. Again, Nathan, Jason Go.
- 43:52I'm the white guy and I need that.
- 43:54That's. Now my Nathan Drake survives by
- 43:57being a treasure hunter over everything.
- 43:59It doesn't matter his his his Marshall prowess, he just wants
- 44:04the loot that's. Just.
- 44:06A Matt A Matt Grant character if they're.
- 44:08Ever. Oh, poor Jin.
- 44:09We really thought this was going to.
- 44:10Be I listen, I thought for sure as soon as I saw it, I was like,
- 44:14Jen's got this shit and then yeah, you're like, he has guns,
- 44:17though. Honestly, he yeah, Jen loses
- 44:19against either of the two people.
- 44:21I think he'd lose against Jason Birdie too, because Jason Birdie
- 44:23also has guns. It's just it's unfortunate to
- 44:27shame because I think Jin Sakai is a great addition to this
- 44:31list. I think he would have beat a lot
- 44:32of other people. I just wanted.
- 44:34He turned. He certainly would have killed
- 44:35something. About Jin but.
- 44:38Link. Versus in order for that link
- 44:39has to beat the Doomslayer, so that I don't know about that.
- 44:43Can I say something controversial?
- 44:45Yeah, I think, I think Jin would have killed Gordon Freeman.
- 44:48Oh yeah. Are you fucking?
- 44:51Stop, I love Nick's face scrunching.
- 44:54Do you think a guy with a crowbar a fucking nerd with a
- 44:57crowbar? Are you out here to be able to
- 44:59defeat the legendary Ghost of? Sushina, you're you're you're
- 45:03rage baiting. That's rage baiting.
- 45:06Look at him, he's learning. You're.
- 45:11Couldn't do this. Episode without calling.
- 45:13Gordon a fucking nerd again. You're a fucking nerd, play the
- 45:16game. Anyways.
- 45:18All right. Doomslayer versus Link.
- 45:20I think Doomslayer, he's going to kill.
- 45:22Link Doomslayer. I love my boy Link but fuck.
- 45:26That may be the hero of time. Dude it just sucks bro because
- 45:31like you got 2 characters on this list still who are just
- 45:35like the angriest things ever. Neither have emotions.
- 45:41Link has emotions. Yeah, we're talking about, we're
- 45:43talking, we're talking about each other and we're talking
- 45:45about Nathan Drake and Doomslayer, right?
- 45:48Does link have emotions? There's not a whole.
- 45:50Lot going on. He.
- 45:53Loves, he loves mint, he loves, he loves Zelda and he, you know.
- 46:02Well, now he's. That's it.
- 46:03Yeah. Now he and he's dead,
- 46:05unfortunately. He's dead.
- 46:07He's so very dead. And you're dead.
- 46:10Arthur Morgan. Goodbye Arthur Morgan versus
- 46:13Master Chief fucking Chief. Fucking chief.
- 46:17Oh, go ahead. Rachel, you're a big boy, aren't
- 46:19you? Go ahead.
- 46:20Let's let's hear it. I'm so interested, Needler.
- 46:26I'm just Needler. You're, you're beating me on a
- 46:29lot of accounts. I'm not going to lie.
- 46:30You're, you're beating me. There's, there's really not a
- 46:33lot I can do to defend my boy. Shoddy sniper.
- 46:34We'll try. Shoddy snipers?
- 46:37That's crazy. Plasma Grenade.
- 46:41That's, yeah, sticky. Deadeye.
- 46:45Gravity Hammer. Evans repeater.
- 46:47That's 26 rounds I think at one point over shield one of.
- 46:53We'll see. Now you fucked me can fully.
- 46:56Sprint in. This nerd?
- 46:57Yeah. Can fully.
- 46:58Sprint. Yeah, no, I think there's really
- 47:04nothing Arthur can do. It's just it's too far ahead of
- 47:06his time. I think he beats Sam Bridges
- 47:08because it's not so far ahead that he can still get a shot
- 47:12off, I don't think. Almost.
- 47:13Sam is a bit of a pacifist. I mean, at the end of the day,
- 47:15Arthur is going to be seeing, I mean, how tall is Chief in his
- 47:18armor? Like 9 feet tall, right?
- 47:20Yeah. Yeah.
- 47:22I, I think he's going to see that.
- 47:24He's going to see that. And he's, I, I think Arthur
- 47:27would be more terrified at the sight of that than he would be
- 47:33able to even react. I think he would just die.
- 47:35I think he would 7. Feet 2.
- 47:36Inches. You also have to remember this
- 47:39is the Chief that has an absolute raging boner for
- 47:42Cortana, so if she tells him to kill him, I mean he's fucking
- 47:45dead. Also energy sword.
- 47:48Does does Cortana just go? That's a cowboy from 1899.
- 47:52You could ignore him. Kill that guy like he just walks
- 47:55by. Chief might even just be like.
- 47:59I mean, because apparently, well, at the end of the day,
- 48:00because of the rules we've set up, they both perceive each
- 48:02other as a threat, which is why Arthur dies.
- 48:05Like there's just nothing he can do like.
- 48:07That's a full sprinting Spartan dude.
- 48:09Yeah, you can't Sprint in Halo 3.
- 48:10It doesn't matter how many shots or whatever ammo Arthur uses,
- 48:14he's not piercing through that mule near armor and he's even
- 48:17even that little plate he's he's not that accurate even with that
- 48:21and it doesn't make a difference.
- 48:22Well, that plate itself is also. It's yeah, it's, it's
- 48:27bulletproof itself for bullets made in chief's time.
- 48:30So I'm certain it's not going to, it's not going to have a
- 48:32problem dealing with like a a bullet from the 1800s.
- 48:36This list is going about as expected.
- 48:39Yeah, yeah, after Chief gets done killing Arthur Morgan, you
- 48:43just hear double kill. Now this is.
- 48:46By the time by the time they break the over shield, he's
- 48:50going to have to reload, and then by the time he's reloaded,
- 48:52the over shield's going to be back.
- 48:54Yeah. Exactly.
- 48:55So it's not he's already. Snapped his neck.
- 48:58Yeah, I bet Arthur wishes he had a magazine like a like a mag he
- 49:01could load in, but he doesn't know the concept of that.
- 49:04He's. Never seen now if it was Trevor.
- 49:06If it was Trevor Verse Chief, different story.
- 49:08Trevor from. GTA.
- 49:12Yeah, I don't think it's a different story.
- 49:14I really don't. Meth crackhead strength is
- 49:17something fierce my friend. Yeah, I mean, there's there's an
- 49:20honest chance that there's an honest chance that Chief just
- 49:22stabs him with an energy sword and Trevor gets back up.
- 49:24I've. I've there's a very slim chance,
- 49:27but there's certainly enough. There's certainly a chance.
- 49:29It was a bit anyways. Titus from Space Marine versus
- 49:36BJ Titus Sign. I would love for BJ to get
- 49:40through to this, but there's no not a chance.
- 49:42I think I mean BJ has beat some fucking crazy shit but also
- 49:49fucking. Titus he hasn't like.
- 49:53If it was a normal Space Marine, maybe, maybe you could make a
- 49:59case for it. But Titus.
- 50:00You could you could try to make a case for it.
- 50:03I mean, BJ has beaten mechanical Nazis.
- 50:06Though that's true, That's true, He's beaten.
- 50:08On not, it's not out of the. Realm of it's, it's completely
- 50:13different armors. But hold on, actually hold on.
- 50:16Yeah, before I have to. I have to.
- 50:18Well, actually. To to really, to really just
- 50:21nail this home. It's the football field aspect
- 50:23again. That's the that's the thing,
- 50:25because BJ has had cover throughout those fights.
- 50:30And then, like I agree with Brody in the sense that I think
- 50:32inherently I think AI think I think a mid game.
- 50:36I was going to say a mid game BJ, but that sounds bad.
- 50:40So like you have a range boy Blasko yeah, sorry, I think I
- 50:46think a mid game like Wolfenstein, like I don't think
- 50:50that beats even a normal space screen just because of the
- 50:53virtue of the football field. But that's I was just.
- 50:55Saying it's a better, better. There's a better, yeah.
- 50:58Yeah, yeah. Better.
- 50:59I'm not saying it. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
- 51:00No, no, no, no, no. I agree with you 100.
- 51:02Percent so. I would love for BJ to win this
- 51:04but he he doesn't. Have a normal guy if he's going
- 51:08to get. Or, sorry, I would.
- 51:10If yeah, if the firefight doesn't decide it, if they get
- 51:15up next to each other, Titus is just going to put his first
- 51:19through BJ's chest. And he's going to be dead to
- 51:22really power scale the a Space Marine even without it being
- 51:27Titus. But to just go off of say this
- 51:29is from Space Marine Two, you have.
- 51:31Right. So that's Primaris Titus, which
- 51:36means that he is. Yeah, well over 9 feet tall.
- 51:39And because he's in the suit of armor, he's essentially it
- 51:44doesn't even matter if BJ is wearing the fucking suit that he
- 51:46wears in the middle of the second game, that punch from
- 51:50Titus is going to obliterate. The metal.
- 51:53It's going to. Nothing.
- 51:55It's one of those things where it's again, it's he's wearing
- 51:57tech 40,000 years in the future. It's like it's kind of no shot.
- 52:02He just. If it's a gunfight, you're
- 52:04talking about a bolter. That's the other thing.
- 52:07If it's if it's a gunfight, Titus wins because his shots are
- 52:10basically. Pistol.
- 52:12The pistol itself. Unfortunately I would love for B
- 52:16to win this but he just he doesn't have the firepower or
- 52:19the. Armor to survive.
- 52:20It he possible, but that gives us a really good matchup.
- 52:25Well, that means that Titus moves on to fight the Master
- 52:28Chief. And this is a good fight.
- 52:30I feel like is somewhat of an even fight.
- 52:35Oh, look at Nick. He's already got his fucking
- 52:37hands up. He's got, he's got the notes,
- 52:39dude. He's got the.
- 52:40Pen, he's ready. I he's like, so I think
- 52:43actually, actually if, if the firefight doesn't decide this,
- 52:49Titus is, is going to kill Master Chief pretty swiftly hand
- 52:53to hand. Yes, I would agree with that.
- 52:56I would agree with that. I do think from a firefight
- 52:59standpoint, though, I think Chief would put up a pretty good
- 53:03fucking fight. You think about like, I mean,
- 53:06chief taking out multiple hunters at the same time and
- 53:09like, yeah, he's no no slouch. And yeah, most now we can.
- 53:12Argue the fights, huh? He's much faster.
- 53:15Boy Gordon, though. Well, here's the question.
- 53:17Are we assuming that Titus is wearing helmet or no helmet?
- 53:21He's wearing They wear helmets in battle.
- 53:24Yeah, but you would actually not to.
- 53:27There's no option not to. They wear they wear helmets in
- 53:30battle. What if, Chief?
- 53:31Has his cheeks hold on, hold on. I gotta I gotta pause.
- 53:34Don't, don't stop crossing your arms and saying that to me
- 53:36because you look, it's it's pissing me off.
- 53:39Yeah, yeah, Like he. Just wants this.
- 53:42He lost the Gordon fight over there, so he just wants this to
- 53:45come down to Doomslayer and Titus at the.
- 53:48There's 2 characters. It's my two guys, there's. 2
- 53:51characters I know a lot about here.
- 53:54No, I know, I agree. Fucking nerd.
- 53:56I I think that I think, I think the chief loses just off of the
- 54:01armor bases, but I. Think he will lose?
- 54:04Yes, I, I think he would have a chance because he's inherent.
- 54:08I mean, I know that Space Marines are fast.
- 54:10I think Chief's faster because Chief is inherently.
- 54:12Chief is much faster. Chief is going to be so much.
- 54:15More going to. Be much, weighs about a ton.
- 54:18Yeah. Compared to a compared to.
- 54:19A like even with the even with the whole thing that the Space
- 54:22Marines have where it allows them to move very nimbly, I
- 54:25don't think it's going to translate as fast as Chief can
- 54:28move. No, I think much, much quicker.
- 54:30I think so. Titus is 7 foot 2 and weighs.
- 54:35Outside of armor, there's no way he's 7 foot two in the armor.
- 54:38That's too small. Yeah.
- 54:41I think if Chief could probably avoid all the shots.
- 54:44What would a sticky grenade do to?
- 54:47A spermite armor. Not, I mean, they've been, you
- 54:52got to think though, they've also at this point been hit with
- 54:55tank rounds they've been hit with.
- 54:57Fucking but they also. But they die.
- 54:59Yeah, they. They don't survive all of that
- 55:02shit like. Melt a.
- 55:03Flavor die. Yeah, let me tell you, I've done
- 55:05a lot of times too in Space Marine.
- 55:07And Titus is the hero, so he's lived.
- 55:10But like if he fucking gets. The plot armor, No too.
- 55:14Sticky's not going to go through that armor.
- 55:16You got to Melta's A well. Hold on to to agree with Bertie
- 55:20though here. Like there are so many instances
- 55:23like we've read so much about how strong the armor is that
- 55:26space marines were but then we watch them get murdered by shit
- 55:29that by. Bugs.
- 55:30In yeah, but that's but that's in their universe, not in the
- 55:34Halo universe. OK.
- 55:36The weapons in the 40K universe are 20.
- 55:39Times they also died to big bugs like what do you mean?
- 55:43That are that are completely sentient and have their own
- 55:47weapon. Like I'm saying, like that's
- 55:48kind of the point of the space. Marine some of them don't like.
- 55:51Some of their high. Marines also die to just fucking
- 55:54bugs. Like not even weaponry.
- 55:57Kind of the the the interesting thing about the Space Marines is
- 56:00for how strong they are, they are cut down as easily as.
- 56:05It's just a power scaling world, but also like there's there's
- 56:09just creatures that take them out without weaponry as well.
- 56:13Which would unfortunately for if you wanted to throw Chief into
- 56:17that argument as well, let's say he had to fight against some of
- 56:21like a Termagon. This is a.
- 56:23That's it. This is a great conversation
- 56:25because so here's the question, do they even close the gap?
- 56:29Because Chief knows that he can't win up close.
- 56:31So, and he's aware of that because this is Halo.
- 56:33This is Halo 3, Chief. He's got Cortana in his head.
- 56:37He has an AI that is arguably stronger than anything in
- 56:40Titus's helmet. He he absolutely does.
- 56:44Oh yeah, I don't know Cortana. Cortana's going to get he's.
- 56:46Intelligent. The name.
- 56:47Sniping or rocket launcher sticky grenades.
- 56:52That ammo would have to get through the armor though.
- 56:54But that's what I'm saying though, is that Cortana, I don't
- 56:56think it would Cortana's through.
- 56:58Cortana's able to read the What will hurt Titus most?
- 57:02I I I I my my whole point about bringing up the bugs right?
- 57:07Like some of these space marines literally die to things biting
- 57:11them. So clearly that armor is strong,
- 57:14but it's not impenetrable. That's true.
- 57:19And they die on a regular basis. Energy sword I think would be
- 57:24able to. I think an energy sword would.
- 57:25Do some damage. A sticky grenade I don't think
- 57:29it would do as much as. How do they die to bugs biting
- 57:32them If if they can't they. Get like, come on.
- 57:34Because the way in that world they're described as it is
- 57:39literally like incredibly sharp shit and like it is strong
- 57:44piercing shit. I understand what you're saying
- 57:47but it's just it's different than like a fucking calibered
- 57:50bullet when a fucking bolter round sometimes don't.
- 57:54Even go. I see both points here, but I
- 57:56think that there's a real strong case to make that even if the
- 57:58plasma grenade doesn't bite through the armor, it's a
- 58:01fucking grenade blowing up on your chest.
- 58:03It's not gonna. It's still, it's blows even if
- 58:07he's wearing the helmet. At the end of the day, you have
- 58:10to understand that that impact and that explosion is going to
- 58:13have a physical effect on him. He's going to get blown back,
- 58:16he's going to get knocked loose, he's going to get.
- 58:18Like he's not invulnerable to explosions.
- 58:21Like if chief whips out I just don't think an RPG or a fucking
- 58:26rocket launcher and shoots directly at his legs.
- 58:29Like that doesn't just not affect him because of his
- 58:32farmer. It's it's.
- 58:33It doesn't have a. Force field.
- 58:35Hold on hold on, it's mid game Halo 3.
- 58:37Does he have a Spartan laser? In mid team so he may.
- 58:44If he has if he has a Spartan laser, I think he wins.
- 58:46Mid game would be about the level where you face those.
- 58:49What you just also have to realize the both.
- 58:52What if he shot him with a plasma pistol?
- 58:56A really fully turn probably. Locked all this shit up single.
- 58:59Side OH. Yeah, that's a good point.
- 59:01I didn't even think about that they.
- 59:02Could I just I think. I I don't think you're giving
- 59:05Chief enough credit if you're going way too hard on that,
- 59:08well, the armor's impenetrable. It's a Space Marine.
- 59:12That's my issue here. It's a space.
- 59:14Marine and he's a fucking Spartan Space Marine.
- 59:17'S a stronger than smart world three times by this.
- 59:19Point he's. He's he's, they're both so and
- 59:23they're both defeated. The thing here is too is they're
- 59:26both fantastic tacticians and Titus is incredibly smart.
- 59:31Yeah, it matters wholly because they're both looking as they're
- 59:33going. It's 100 yards away from each
- 59:35other. It's who draws 1st.
- 59:37And arguably I think that honestly, I don't think it even
- 59:40matters. I think even if Titus were to
- 59:41draw first, I think he'd miss because by the time he shoots
- 59:43Chief's. Movement.
- 59:44I don't think. I don't think.
- 59:45Titus I think, I think, I think, Chief.
- 59:48Would I think Chief A. More accurate shot than Titus.
- 59:51I think Chief gets a bolt around to the head and that's the end
- 59:54of Chief. That's I don't that's true.
- 59:57But that's that's predicated, that's predicated on tight as
- 1:00:00hitting him and I don't think he hits him because I think.
- 1:00:01I think he's he's so much faster.
- 1:00:05Well, I get. It you guys, you guys are, you
- 1:00:06guys are fucking with me, you guys are fucking with.
- 1:00:08Me, Noah, I I feel like we need Noah to weigh in on this.
- 1:00:12Yeah, Noah's the decider because Noah has been.
- 1:00:14Quiet so far. I don't.
- 1:00:17I mean like I think Chief can dodge a lot of the bolter shots,
- 1:00:23but I also don't think Chief stands a chance when it if it
- 1:00:26comes down to hand to hand. If it gets close, absolutely
- 1:00:30not. No, I think if it gets close, I
- 1:00:32think Chief loses. So I think Chief would just try
- 1:00:34to whittle him down, but I think eventually somebody's gonna
- 1:00:38close the gap and Chief just won't be able to beat him up
- 1:00:43close. I think if Titus.
- 1:00:45Gives you that. For sure.
- 1:00:46I think if Titus wins this, either way, whoever wins this, I
- 1:00:49don't care. But I'm gonna.
- 1:00:50I think we should mark this fight down because I think this
- 1:00:53warrants real. It's an incredible fight because
- 1:00:55I think it's an incredible fight.
- 1:00:56I think this is my. Fight.
- 1:00:58Honestly, I to be entirely transparent here, I think Titus
- 1:01:02wins this fight. I think that.
- 1:01:04Being said, I don't like the grounds at what Chief is losing
- 1:01:09based on the armors like. It's not just the armors.
- 1:01:15It is. It is.
- 1:01:17They're both. Here's the thing.
- 1:01:19They're both incredibly disciplined.
- 1:01:20Warriors Chief is incredibly disciplined.
- 1:01:23They are so they those two characters, they are so
- 1:01:28incredibly alike. They are incredibly alike, but I
- 1:01:33just think Titus has the upper hand with just the pure tenacity
- 1:01:37at which Titus can fight. Chief is nimble, Chief is fast.
- 1:01:40It's the Master fucking Chief. But at the end of the day, this
- 1:01:44is like the blueberry of blueberries, and he's not.
- 1:01:47Yeah, I, I, I, I, I would give it to Titus, but Chief is
- 1:01:50definitely gonna put up. AI think, I think Titus, I think
- 1:01:53Titus wins this because of the virtue of, yeah, his tech, but I
- 1:01:56think Chief is going to be far more of a dangerous warrior.
- 1:01:59That's a dope ass fight. I would love to.
- 1:02:01See it? I love to watch his.
- 1:02:03Shit, I would love to see this. Yeah, because if you really
- 1:02:05impressed. We were able just to like
- 1:02:06without AI just like. If this could become.
- 1:02:09Like a show. Do this, Yeah, that'd be
- 1:02:11incredible. I I'm only like I said, I I was,
- 1:02:16I understand putting out the case for chief because I feel
- 1:02:19like he was being discounted way too quickly.
- 1:02:21I fully agree. I think Titus would win this and
- 1:02:24I also know that this is one of the better fights that we have
- 1:02:27so. This is my what's.
- 1:02:28Fine, I'll be the contrarian. Like, like I said, I would say
- 1:02:3240 Ki would love to have I would love to have an entire like 30
- 1:02:36minutes where we just discussed, OK, here's the armor the Titus
- 1:02:39says here's the armor the chief has.
- 1:02:41How do we do? How do we break down who wins
- 1:02:43this? But yeah, this is probably, I
- 1:02:45mean, yeah, you. Could get really, you could get
- 1:02:47really deep with any of these fights and be like, all right,
- 1:02:50what literally is there armor made out of?
- 1:02:53But I mean, again, at the end of the day, I think if the gap gets
- 1:02:56closed, which it will because they are, they'd have.
- 1:02:59To They're both very fast. Too good at shooting stuff and
- 1:03:02they're gonna eventually run out of options there.
- 1:03:05They can't shoot at each other forever.
- 1:03:08They're going to close the gap and Master Chief might like land
- 1:03:10a hit, but I think he's going to like hit him, be like, oh, fuck,
- 1:03:13this is like this is this is going to be.
- 1:03:15I mean there's an argument to be said for the fucking energy
- 1:03:20sword though, right? Like if he gets close and an
- 1:03:23energy sword comes out. And again or a.
- 1:03:25Gravity hammer or a gravity hammer?
- 1:03:28Right. Even though we've already
- 1:03:29decided this, at the end of the day, we're also not, I think
- 1:03:32we're we're myself as well. We're considering we're
- 1:03:35considerably missing the fact too, that Chief has another
- 1:03:38person in his head who's going to tell him, hey, if this person
- 1:03:41hits you, it's going to kill you.
- 1:03:43So you can't get close. It's going to like, like
- 1:03:46Cortana's going to be feeding that information to him because
- 1:03:49she's, he's analyzing it in a way that he cannot.
- 1:03:52She has all the other data that he cannot access and she's able
- 1:03:56to break down. So like, that's also why I want
- 1:03:58to, I think Titus still wins, but I want to give Chief a
- 1:04:02chance because again, even with Titus's helmet, no matter what
- 1:04:06information it displays, it is not another essentially another
- 1:04:09human being of incredible intelligence explaining how
- 1:04:14dangerous the foe he's facing. Like Chief is literally hearing
- 1:04:18someone say to him if you get close you die, if you get hit by
- 1:04:22him you die. In chiefs mind he goes OK so
- 1:04:26don't get hit, don't get close. And he is very clearly able to
- 1:04:29understand those parameters. I think that they give him an
- 1:04:32edge in some aspects. I think Titus still wins, but I
- 1:04:36think like Bernie said, we don't want to discount Chief because.
- 1:04:39He's, I think, very dangerous. I think there is a world where
- 1:04:41if you had this fight 10 times, I think Chief would win it
- 1:04:44twice. I think yeah, exactly.
- 1:04:46I would agree. I would agree 100% I.
- 1:04:48Think I think Titus would win 8 times out of 10, but I I do
- 1:04:52think there is a world where Chief actually pulls this off.
- 1:04:55I agree. I agree.
- 1:04:56I agree 100%. I think also to to note for like
- 1:04:59any tech that Titus has, you got to remember in the 40K universe
- 1:05:03like AI is banned like it is not used.
- 1:05:07A lot of their technology is very.
- 1:05:10So. What up it's?
- 1:05:12Antiquated, but still, I would argue further ahead than Chief's
- 1:05:15universe. So would Titus take one look at
- 1:05:17Chief and he would know what's going on?
- 1:05:19He'd see Heretic and then he would just.
- 1:05:21Yes, it would. It'd be like you're using
- 1:05:23literal band technology for the Emory you die.
- 1:05:26Thinking machines. No, no, no.
- 1:05:28Yes, you know, a little light, little harkening back to dude,
- 1:05:31Yeah. That's right.
- 1:05:33But we have to move on. We need to.
- 1:05:35Yes, we. Do we need to get great debate,
- 1:05:36everybody? Because that was a long one.
- 1:05:39Dude versus Nathan. Drake.
- 1:05:41Nathan Drake wins. I don't think so.
- 1:05:45Nick's face, Nick's face. He's like what?
- 1:05:49No, Nathan Drake loses. He would go I need that armor
- 1:05:51now and Doom guy would go. The guy would go, Oh yeah.
- 1:05:56And Nathan Drake makes a, makes a quip, and then Doomslayer, you
- 1:06:00know, just shoots him like it's it's.
- 1:06:02Way more angry. I don't like.
- 1:06:05It in the second game I don't know if.
- 1:06:07He RIP and tear I don't know how much.
- 1:06:08He says in the second game, but. RIP and tear is what he says in
- 1:06:11the. OK, yeah, so he says RIP and
- 1:06:12Tear and Nathan Drake's go, well, what?
- 1:06:15And then he's dead. Because he's standing on the
- 1:06:18other side of the football field.
- 1:06:19So he goes, What? Yeah.
- 1:06:22I'm real interested in this next one to see how Nick pits his two
- 1:06:27boys against each other. I'm.
- 1:06:30This, this is about to be tough. So keep in mind, we're at an
- 1:06:35hour and 10 minutes. Go ahead.
- 1:06:38As Nick. Argues with himself.
- 1:06:41Titus. Versus the Doomslayer who was
- 1:06:45like a coked up Master Chief who almost.
- 1:06:47Had you want me to start? Yeah, you go ahead.
- 1:06:50You go ahead. Present your case.
- 1:06:53First and foremost, in this instance, the Doomslayer wins.
- 1:06:58He's just. We talk about speed.
- 1:07:02The armor has. The armor has no.
- 1:07:05No, no. No, no, no, no, no, no.
- 1:07:07This is this is this is a different type of fucking force.
- 1:07:10This is a different this, this I'm this.
- 1:07:12This is a different type of fucking.
- 1:07:14Eternal. Force and speed and weaponry,
- 1:07:18that's true. This.
- 1:07:20This is all different. Than what eternal is very quick.
- 1:07:24And this is the eternal Doomslayer.
- 1:07:26So like, there is, you're not getting them, there is no shot.
- 1:07:31And I love Titus again, the blueberry of all blueberries,
- 1:07:34but no shot. I don't know, it's just too
- 1:07:39fucking. He's just everywhere all at
- 1:07:42once. Even with how fast the space.
- 1:07:44He'll RIP that helmet off. It doesn't matter to the the
- 1:07:46eternal Doomslayer. And yeah, exactly.
- 1:07:48He's just, yeah, I think, I think Doomslayer wins because he
- 1:07:53also at the end of the day, he has no rules.
- 1:07:55He, I love him. He doesn't bro.
- 1:07:57He like like like Titus doesn't either when it comes to war.
- 1:08:01But I think Doomslayer, especially eternal Doomslayer, I
- 1:08:05don't give a fuck. Like he's he's like, I don't
- 1:08:07care, like you are an enemy. I have to destroy you.
- 1:08:11It doesn't matter where it's a, it's a very primal rage that he
- 1:08:15taps into constantly where I think that Titus only is able to
- 1:08:19tap into that sort of rage or that sort of like he.
- 1:08:23Doesn't really have emotions, it's.
- 1:08:25Like, well, that's the thing, they're they're stunted in that
- 1:08:27way. But I think even when it comes
- 1:08:28to like the the feeling of being in the fight, I think there's a
- 1:08:32certain edge and brutality that Titus doesn't take that the
- 1:08:35Doomslayer, especially eternal Doomslayer would.
- 1:08:38And I think that that makes the difference in this type of
- 1:08:40fight. I think Doomslayer wins this
- 1:08:41because he's just tenacious in a way that Titus in this game is
- 1:08:48not. Again, where you have to
- 1:08:50reference the fact that these are certain time periods for
- 1:08:52these characters or certain moments in the game.
- 1:08:55They're not end game heroes. So I think even with that, I
- 1:09:00think Doomslayer wins again, just because of the brutality
- 1:09:03he's willing to inflict, that Titus is willing to inflict, but
- 1:09:06is not as rageful about it, if that makes sense, or is
- 1:09:13aggressive, if you will. I think so.
- 1:09:16I think the Doom Eternal Doomslayer wins this.
- 1:09:19I also think the Dark Ages Doomslayer would win this as
- 1:09:22well. I would agree. 2016.
- 1:09:25I don't think so. I would agree with Birdie 100%
- 1:09:28on this. Actually.
- 1:09:28I think Dark Ages Doomslayer would also because you got the.
- 1:09:32Shield almost think that Dark Ages Doomslayer would even be
- 1:09:36better equipped to handle Titus. I would agree with that because
- 1:09:39he's got a lot of melee weaponry that it Eternal Doomslayer just
- 1:09:43does not and that's that That gives the Dark Ages Doomslayer
- 1:09:49an edge in the the close quarter.
- 1:09:50Stuff for sure, but this being Doom Eternal, I mean, yeah, like
- 1:09:54you said, the quickness, the pure, an adultered rage that
- 1:10:00Doomslayer has. I, I, I think that's even,
- 1:10:03that's even beyond what you would expect from like, I mean,
- 1:10:07a space marine that does everything in the name of the
- 1:10:09Emperor, right? Like he's angrier than Karn the
- 1:10:11betrayer. Yeah, like Doomslayer is just
- 1:10:17his own fucking thing. Or yeah, I.
- 1:10:20Would love Doomslayer like he'd be like that's that's all the
- 1:10:23skulls and blood I ever needed like.
- 1:10:26Why can't we get Space Marines like this?
- 1:10:30Yeah, no, I, I Doomslayer. For sure.
- 1:10:33For sure. OK, we wrapping this bad boy up.
- 1:10:38We are on to the final match up of the board.
- 1:10:43We have Cal Kestis fighting the Doomslayer.
- 1:10:47That sucks for Cal. That does suck for Cal I.
- 1:10:51Don't think what wanted for Cal was being able to lock Kirby
- 1:10:55down and not allow him to to basically freeze him in place.
- 1:11:01I think he could do that with the Doomslayer, but it will not
- 1:11:05last nearly as long. No, I think, I think, I think
- 1:11:08Doomslayer, especially Eternal Doomslayer, is filled with too
- 1:11:10much rage for Cal's mind to be able.
- 1:11:13To Cal wouldn't be able to hold him.
- 1:11:15Yeah, he wouldn't be able to. I think he would lose just on
- 1:11:17the on the he's, he's never fought an enemy this angry.
- 1:11:22I think the way we estimated that Cal would actually kill
- 1:11:25Kirby was to let himself get sucked in and cut Kirby in half
- 1:11:29in the process, if I remember correctly.
- 1:11:31Well, what it yeah, what it came down to was if Kirby does get
- 1:11:35Cal and copies his powers, it's a standard lightsaber battle and
- 1:11:40Cal would probably win it. Yeah, well, I, I think in that
- 1:11:43instance too, I think Cal was enough of a tactician that he
- 1:11:47would see what Kirby can do and cut him in half in the process.
- 1:11:51But if it did reach the point, Cal would have the the upper
- 1:11:55hand still even. If he didn't have his abilities,
- 1:11:58and he wouldn't be, he wouldn't be surprised by Kirby's like the
- 1:12:04way Kirby looks. He would see that and be like OK
- 1:12:07another. Yeah, these look like.
- 1:12:09Creature from space. The aliens that reign from this
- 1:12:12planet and you're like, wait, what?
- 1:12:13He's. Like.
- 1:12:14I don't care what this looks like, I'll kill it no matter
- 1:12:17what, but the Doomslayer's got the speed on him.
- 1:12:20I think Cal's going to even if Cal manages to cut off 1 of
- 1:12:24Doomslayer's arms, which he could probably do with the
- 1:12:27lightsaber. He could, but I think.
- 1:12:29He's still, he's just going to. As soon as he gets that arm cut
- 1:12:33off, he's just punched in the head and died.
- 1:12:35Super shock under the knees. You're shocked under the gut.
- 1:12:38It's it's can't stop. Yeah, I think Doomslayer runs it
- 1:12:42just up. Close from a distance, I think
- 1:12:44yeah, Doomslayer kind of has this pretty much in the bag.
- 1:12:47Yeah, I I think Cal could definitely get some hits on him
- 1:12:49right, like with the lightsaber and definitely get get a few,
- 1:12:53few good jabs, maybe, maybe take an arm.
- 1:12:56I don't know. But yeah, that that unbridled
- 1:13:01rage is really just hard to compete.
- 1:13:04With right you really can't can't fight it like and this is
- 1:13:08mad. Unbridled rage being fast as
- 1:13:11fuck and also just like, I mean. Awesome.
- 1:13:15Very well. Yeah, very well armored.
- 1:13:18A. Personal of weapons like.
- 1:13:20We didn't for the tightest fight.
- 1:13:21We didn't even think about the BFG.
- 1:13:25Yeah, well, I don't. Think would he have it then?
- 1:13:27I think. I don't think he gets it.
- 1:13:28In eternal Yeah, he gets it I. Think he gets it?
- 1:13:30Yeah, he gets it fairly early in.
- 1:13:33Eternal, I haven't played in a long time.
- 1:13:35So yeah, I don't know if it needed to come to that.
- 1:13:37I don't know if it would. Just in the same way the same
- 1:13:41way I don't think this fight he I don't think he would need
- 1:13:44anything more than his standard kit to beat Cal and it would be
- 1:13:49somewhat of a fast fight. I think Cal could put up a fight
- 1:13:53but if it again if it becomes hand to hand or lightsaber to
- 1:13:59whatever, I think the doomslayer could take a hit from a
- 1:14:03lightsaber and still kill him. Right.
- 1:14:05Yeah. Yeah, for sure.
- 1:14:08And so in Eternal he had the big ass fucking sword too, didn't he
- 1:14:13at. One point, yeah.
- 1:14:15I don't, I don't remember when you get.
- 1:14:17Towards the end, towards the end.
- 1:14:18Yeah, I don't remember. So he might not have that then,
- 1:14:21but even then I'm I think you'll be OK.
- 1:14:24Yeah, and this is when in the series we've realized that the
- 1:14:27Doomslayer's not allowed back on the list.
- 1:14:30Yeah, well. He he shouldn't doom.
- 1:14:32Allowed on, just like Kratos. Like we we took Kratos off for
- 1:14:35the exact same reason of he's too strong.
- 1:14:37Yeah. I mean.
- 1:14:38Honestly, the more I look at this.
- 1:14:40Look, Kratos would have like see.
- 1:14:41Kratos losing. No, I I think Kratos would lose.
- 1:14:47Yeah, guns are kind of a problem, right?
- 1:14:49Most of the most of the. Well, you know, this is our.
- 1:14:52First scenes I don't think it really bothers him like.
- 1:14:56We should do like a melee only and then a guns only battle.
- 1:15:00This was our, you know, is our first bracket.
- 1:15:02We'll, we'll refine this and we'll change some things.
- 1:15:05Maybe we'll see these characters again in different ways.
- 1:15:08I'd love to see Jin go up against another sword fighter.
- 1:15:12I know, that's why I wanted Jin to fight this.
- 1:15:15Yeah, that would have been cool. That would have been.
- 1:15:17Stupid. Yeah, I'm telling you, melee
- 1:15:18only and then guns only brackets.
- 1:15:20We could, they'd be shorter, definitely like smaller brackets
- 1:15:23of just like swordsmen in in games.
- 1:15:27Yeah, we could put old Henry of Scallops on there.
- 1:15:29Dude, OK, all right, hold on. I'm coming to bat for my boy
- 1:15:33Henry like that's. The heat, but.
- 1:15:35He's he's going to win at. This point.
- 1:15:38I can't even read though. Are you are well?
- 1:15:41Are we using KCD 1 mid game or KC KCD?
- 1:15:44Oh, let's not, let's not go. Down the ramp.
- 1:15:46No, no, no, no. Just just just.
- 1:15:47Just one or two? One or. 2 Tell me.
- 1:15:48Tell me 22. Two, yeah, he can read by two.
- 1:15:51He can't read by 1 You, that's part of the whole first game is
- 1:15:55learning how to read. So yeah, no, he would not be
- 1:15:59good in KCD one, but KCD two Boy Knight Henry's great.
- 1:16:02Rating. All right, let's read Oh.
- 1:16:07Cat Would you like to play a game where you learn how to read
- 1:16:11the cat and the. Cat, he doesn't.
- 1:16:14Read Whoa, what a great story. 1 Fish Ringo.
- 1:16:18Fish. Blue fish.
- 1:16:20Red Fish. Oh, I got it wrong.
- 1:16:24A fish. A fish, A fishy Oh.
- 1:16:27Let me Do you have a fish there? Oh.
- 1:16:31Right, Doomslayer has. Doomslayer wins.
- 1:16:35Jim Slayer is the the final victor defeated everybody else.
- 1:16:45I see, that makes sense. It does make sense it.
- 1:16:49Out of this whole bracket, I I agree.
- 1:16:50Yeah, yeah, I think he he definitely takes it.
- 1:16:53I think even if we would have chose that, like Cole McGrath
- 1:16:57had made it past Cal, I don't think I I still think
- 1:17:01Doomslayer. Takes.
- 1:17:02Yeah, like I. Think, I don't think there's
- 1:17:04anyone on this list that you could put Doomslayer up against
- 1:17:07and be like, yeah, they have a chance.
- 1:17:08No, they fucking. Don't.
- 1:17:10No, Absolutely. Especially.
- 1:17:11Eternal semi bot, yeah. Semi bot.
- 1:17:14Eternal was a hell of a Doomslayer to pick too.
- 1:17:16That's the added speed in that game.
- 1:17:19Really. I picked that one.
- 1:17:21Isn't it kind of like the middle of the new?
- 1:17:23Yes, like a second middle of the new trilogy.
- 1:17:26Yeah. So I picked that one for that
- 1:17:29reason and looks like it went pretty well for old Doom
- 1:17:34Eternal. Doomslayer.
- 1:17:35Is it the same guy every time? Yeah, yes, Yep.
- 1:17:38OK. It's a Doom guy, buddy.
- 1:17:40Well. You know, if it's the same guy
- 1:17:41every time. Yes.
- 1:17:44It do be the same guy. There you go.
- 1:17:47There you have it. 126. 4 Thank you for this idea, Noah.
- 1:17:51This is this has been a fucking blast to go through.
- 1:17:54Yeah. Man this this is a good one,
- 1:17:57very fun. Time.
- 1:17:59Very excited to see what we do next because Noah's actually
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- 1:18:07this type of style episode with, you know, either us or grab some
- 1:18:12more people from the community, have them in with us do this.
- 1:18:15It's going to be a blast. So yeah, no thanks again, Noah,
- 1:18:18I'm super pumped. Thank you.
- 1:18:19Did this and it didn't turn into a dogpile on Nick like I thought
- 1:18:23it would. Oh, we got that out of the way.
- 1:18:26Yeah. I mean, there's more brackets.
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