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From Austin to El Rey: The Rise of Gabriel Luna · Dos Amigos

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  Speaker 1: Hey, how you doing.
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  Speaker 2: This is Freddie Rodriguez.
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  Speaker 3: Hey, I'm Wilmer Valderrama, and welcome to those amigos, which
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  Speaker 3: today is going to be Today.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I couldn't be more excited and proud. We've been waiting.
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  Speaker 3: This man is one of the busiest men in Hollywood rightfully,
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  Speaker 3: so one of the most talented guys we have in
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  Speaker 3: our culture, doing the most mainstream you can get and
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  Speaker 3: also doing exceptional work that's gonna last for a very
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  Speaker 3: very long time. Guero is a very dear friend of mine.
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  Speaker 3: Right we've been in each other's lives and careers, you know,
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  Speaker 3: for the last man, I don't know, fifteen years or so.
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  Speaker 2: No, no, I said ten.
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  Speaker 1: What did you guys work?
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  Speaker 4: Well, i'd see, they'll ray Rice. Well, when we would
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  Speaker 4: have been twenty thirteen, Yes for you and I first
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  Speaker 4: kind of intersected, even though I had been, of course
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  Speaker 4: my iring your careers from afar and and we're not
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  Speaker 4: too far from age. You guys are maybe just touch
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  Speaker 4: touch my senior, I'd say, but although you look, but
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  Speaker 4: you know I was. I was growing up in Austin
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  Speaker 4: as an actor, and I was a of course clocking.
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  Speaker 4: You know, the people who look like me, feel like
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  Speaker 4: they've come from my background who are having these great
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  Speaker 4: success And you needed only look to that seventies show
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  Speaker 4: and see Fez on that that show, and and you,
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  Speaker 4: of course doing everything you did. We talked a little
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  Speaker 4: bit before we started this about these kind of crazy
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  Speaker 4: interwoven paths that we've led, and uh, Freddie, when you
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  Speaker 4: were in town working with Robert, because that's where we work.
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  Speaker 4: We worked with Robert Rodgers.
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  Speaker 2: The leads of his Yeah, lead Robert and this.
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  Speaker 4: Part and and uh, when l Ray started, there was
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  Speaker 4: From Dusk Till Dawn and Matador, which the two original
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  Speaker 4: programs that were premiering their inaugural year, and you and
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  Speaker 4: I were the leads of those, and so we did
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  Speaker 4: a bunch of press together and all came through and
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  Speaker 4: and then uh, but of course Freddy did Planet Terror,
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  Speaker 4: and one of my best friends from high school was
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  Speaker 4: your standing. His name is Nicholas Signs, and he was
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  Speaker 4: your standing no way man, So there was.
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  Speaker 2: A that's so crazy.
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  Speaker 1: Wow, Yeah, that's a small world.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I was just talking of today. I told him
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  Speaker 4: I was going to see you. And so I don't
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  Speaker 4: know whether you remember Nick or not. He he certainly
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  Speaker 4: remembers you and always always uh sung your praises. So
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  Speaker 4: we yeah, all all roads do lead.
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  Speaker 3: To uh and and and you know, to to your point, brother,
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  Speaker 3: one of the things I want to I want to
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  Speaker 3: start by giving you some consistent flowers first and foremost,
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  Speaker 3: because you know, I think we rarely happened to be
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  Speaker 3: in the same room together to kind of make sure
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  Speaker 3: that we we tell each other that we see each other,
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  Speaker 3: that we support each other, that we uplift each other,
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  Speaker 3: and that we we got to be part of each
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  Speaker 3: other's journeys and you know, and and we bonded over
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  Speaker 3: the fact that we didn't have that growing up in industry,
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  Speaker 3: right we were the one Latino in the room, you know,
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  Speaker 3: and none of us were allowed to be in the
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  Speaker 3: same shows together, in the same movies because they just
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  Speaker 3: they had one of us.
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  Speaker 2: There, you know.
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  Speaker 3: And the idea that we needed community and that we
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  Speaker 3: could have used that community to say, hey, you know,
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  Speaker 3: we're all walking in the same direction, how do we
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  Speaker 3: how do we set each other up for success? And
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  Speaker 3: all that stuff is something that we really wanted to
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  Speaker 3: cultivate it more. When I first I remember when when
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  Speaker 3: Robert was casting Matator, you know, and Robert Rodriguez had
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  Speaker 3: lunched a network called the l Ray Network, which was
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  Speaker 3: kind of all Robert Rodriguez universe collided into one d yet.
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  Speaker 4: All the shaw Scope Kung Fu pictures, that's right, all
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  Speaker 4: of you know, all of the Escape from New York.
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  Speaker 2: Riding and stuff like that.
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  Speaker 4: Stuff that was anything that basically what he was playing
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  Speaker 4: in his office while he was thinking of he programmed
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  Speaker 4: it based on cable network, that's right.
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  Speaker 3: And he wanted to do this show where it was
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  Speaker 3: gonna like a Gina Latino James Bond, right, and he
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  Speaker 3: was going to be a soccer player, and you know
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  Speaker 3: he was also at the same time it's going to
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  Speaker 3: be kind of like a double agent kind of kind
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  Speaker 3: of situation.
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  Speaker 4: And the lucky for me, Wilmer was already tasked the
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  Speaker 4: big man, the lead on the other show from.
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  Speaker 2: That already playing in the backy.
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  Speaker 3: My my, My point I'm making is that the search,
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  Speaker 3: you know, and when Robert is looking for someone, but
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  Speaker 3: for something in someone, the show is not gonna give
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  Speaker 3: me until he finds it, you know. And the search
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  Speaker 3: began for the lead of this like Latin Flair James Bond.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, the budgets were dope, you know, so like that,
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  Speaker 3: then the production value and he was going to direct
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  Speaker 3: a few episodes and stuff, so it was going to
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  Speaker 3: be it was a hot, hot, hot project.
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  Speaker 4: I remember very clearly around that time, I fired my
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  Speaker 4: first agent in town because they didn't think that they
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  Speaker 4: could get me in for that. I remember this. This
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  Speaker 4: was in twenty twelve. I was with a small boutique
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  Speaker 4: agency and I had mentioned to them because I had
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  Speaker 4: seen my wife. She was she was really good about
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  Speaker 4: she'd always find she was getting the breakdowns from something
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  Speaker 4: someone was letting, letting her have their password to get
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  Speaker 4: the breakdowns. She's like, baby, there's this part they're looking
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  Speaker 4: for Latino James Bond. You'd be perfect. And I mentioned
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  Speaker 4: it to this agent and they're like, well, I think
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  Speaker 4: they're already kind of maybe finding their people. You might
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  Speaker 4: not be able to get in. And I remember deciding
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  Speaker 4: there and then that this wasn't the place for me.
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  Speaker 4: But I'm not the kind of person that kind of
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  Speaker 4: goes behind people's backs. So I decided that I needed
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  Speaker 4: to fire them first before I commenced my search for
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  Speaker 4: somebody else. So I did. I severed tized with them.
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  Speaker 4: My grandfather passed away, I had to go back to Austin.
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  Speaker 4: This was around Christmas time, so I went back to Austin,
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  Speaker 4: no agent, having feeling, you know, is that the lowest
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  Speaker 4: the low I could be because at that point I
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  Speaker 4: was the oldest male in my family, oldest male in
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  Speaker 4: my immediate family. My father had passed when I was
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  Speaker 4: before I was born, my grandfather Ike when I was
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  Speaker 4: on my fifth birthday, and then my grandfather David at
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  Speaker 4: this point, and then of course my uncle David pass
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  Speaker 4: when I was twelve. So this was this was a
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  Speaker 4: moment in my life where I was like, man, I think,
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  Speaker 4: you know, I'm going home, feeling about as low as
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  Speaker 4: I could feel, not knowing what I was going to
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  Speaker 4: do when I got back to LA But thankfully my family,
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  Speaker 4: all my friends in Austin really replenished my creative well
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  Speaker 4: and made me feel strong and and and and that
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  Speaker 4: I had people on my side. At you know, I
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  Speaker 4: knew that I had my back watching my six and
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  Speaker 4: taking care of me and believed in me. So I
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  Speaker 4: went back and my manager set up some meetings in
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  Speaker 4: the first agent I met with, who I'm not with
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  Speaker 4: them anymore, but they were really, really Uh. You know,
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  Speaker 4: they had the vision that they shared the same vision
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  Speaker 4: I had for myself.
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  Speaker 2: They saw you as you saw yourself, which is the.
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  Speaker 4: Guy, you know, the ground wire, the center of the
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  Speaker 4: story and capable of caring the the responsibility at that entails.
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  Speaker 4: And uh, and I'm in that meeting. And then shortly
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  Speaker 4: shortly after the meeting starts, you know what, there's this
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  Speaker 4: one thing that Robert Rodrigue is doing. They're looking for
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  Speaker 4: Latino James Bond. You'd be great for it. And I
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  Speaker 4: was like, I already had decided, Okay, these people were
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  Speaker 4: the people. Left the meeting, told my manager that we're
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  Speaker 4: going with them. Within a couple of weeks time, they
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  Speaker 4: got me the audition with Mary Mary Renew.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, I've been Hey, big shout out to Mary, big
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  Speaker 2: shout out, part of all of our careers.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, and she's actually she actually cast me in The Terminalists,
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  Speaker 4: which I'm in right now, And she's actually she's now
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  Speaker 4: our casting director for the Last of Us. So Mary
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  Speaker 4: is doing a lot of a lot of work and
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  Speaker 4: has championed all of us and a great, a great
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  Speaker 4: debt of gratitude. But so that happens, they get me
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  Speaker 4: to read with Mary, I go in. Uh I met
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  Speaker 4: Omar Epps. I remember that he was he was was
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  Speaker 4: at the audition. Yeah, yeah, it was yeah, it was
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  Speaker 4: really fun. And then and so I uh I it
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  Speaker 4: it kind of starts to progress. And then we had
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  Speaker 4: a to the point where I'm doing a I have
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  Speaker 4: to meet with Robert. So Robert comes in to La,
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  Speaker 4: which he hates coming to La. The fact that he
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  Speaker 4: comes for Jessica's parties is crazy. It's jessic alb parties.
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  Speaker 2: Did you you here are meetings or whatever? He goes, no, no,
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  Speaker 2: I just came here.
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  Speaker 4: For Jessica's Like, oh, wait, of course, and the I mean,
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  Speaker 4: but she is the dark Angel and yees, yes, yes,
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  Speaker 4: and he has a soft spot in her heart for her,
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  Speaker 4: as we all do. She's aeful person, but one of them. Uh.
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  Speaker 4: So he he comes to La. He's staying at the
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  Speaker 4: Four Seasons where he always stays. He and I have
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  Speaker 4: this meeting and uh we order iced tea's like a
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  Speaker 4: couple of proper Texas boys do. Because he doesn't drink,
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  Speaker 4: even though he tells me the story that he ordered
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  Speaker 4: the one millionth drink at the Four Seasons at some
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  Speaker 4: point in history and they gave him this pass for
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  Speaker 4: free drinks for life, but it's completely lost on him
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  Speaker 4: because he doesn't drink alcohol. But he gets all the
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  Speaker 4: free iced tea as he wants. And We're sitting there
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  Speaker 4: talking about mostly music and our families and my grandfather
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  Speaker 4: who had just passed. And I'm having this meeting on
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  Speaker 4: February nineteenth, which is my grandfather's birthday. And I tell
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  Speaker 4: him that this is wild because my grandpa, when I
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  Speaker 4: was in Austin, used to have a scrap book of
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  Speaker 4: all the plays I was in, you know, reviews that
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  Speaker 4: would be in the Austin American Statesman, which was our
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  Speaker 4: hometown newspaper, and he'd keep the scrap book of all
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  Speaker 4: movies and different things I'd do. And then he'd but
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  Speaker 4: he'd also have bits and pieces of people in town
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  Speaker 4: who you know Rick linklater, and of course Robert Rodriguez
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  Speaker 4: is like, Papa, this is the guy he should work with. Well,
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  Speaker 4: I was like, yeah, well, you know, a few things
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  Speaker 4: got to happen before that happens. And flash forward, you know,
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  Speaker 4: a decade, and I'm sitting there with Robert telling him
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  Speaker 4: this story, and meeting goes really well, I think, And
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  Speaker 4: then He's like, well, I got another meeting. Somebody else
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  Speaker 4: is coming to here in a minute. I was like,
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  Speaker 4: all right, well, i'll see you later. I shook his
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  Speaker 4: hand and say, I see you later. I bought this
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  Speaker 4: death trap of a land Rover when I first moved
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  Speaker 4: to La. The thing is, the thing almost killed me
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  Speaker 4: many times. The break would go all the way to
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  Speaker 4: the way to the floorboard, and I'd have to pump
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  Speaker 4: it just for it to catch, you know. And and
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  Speaker 4: I could hear it. I could hear the valet pulling
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  Speaker 4: it up from wherever they were pulling it, because it
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  Speaker 4: just it rattled like a tin can. And I was
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  Speaker 4: really embarrassed because that thing was screeching all the way
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  Speaker 4: when it came up to the drive. But I left
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  Speaker 4: that feeling really good about it. And then flash forward
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  Speaker 4: a couple of weeks and they decided they wanted to
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  Speaker 4: screen test me. So I go and I meet J. D.
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  Speaker 4: Pardo for the first time, who I love. I just
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  Speaker 4: love so much, and we became friends since, and we've
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  Speaker 4: had so many moments where it was either him or me,
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  Speaker 4: and uh, and the ones I didn't get he got,
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  Speaker 4: and the ones he didn't get by I got and
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  Speaker 4: it's just hilarious. And we had this beautiful conversation a
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  Speaker 4: few months ago. We were at this event and just
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  Speaker 4: and they're like, man, we it's so funny how parallel
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  Speaker 4: we've run. And uh, but we've but we've always been
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  Speaker 4: kind of supported from a farm and were never really
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  Speaker 4: kind of connected, and now we've we've connected. We talked
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  Speaker 4: quite a bit about it. But I remember that day.
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  Speaker 4: It was both of us sitting there signing our our
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  Speaker 4: our next potentially next six years away and uh, gladly
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  Speaker 4: because my first opportunity of of that magnitude, and so
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  Speaker 4: I signed my deal. I go into the room. Robert's
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  Speaker 4: there on a on a skype call because it wasn't
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  Speaker 4: zoom back then, right, two thousand pager now exactly, so
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  Speaker 4: they were all and by the time it was a
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  Speaker 4: revolutionary I was like, wow, this is uh some video
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  Speaker 4: called demolition Man type and and so there I do
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  Speaker 4: my thing feels really natural, as involuntary as breathing. It
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  Speaker 4: just felt right. And then and I can see Robert
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  Speaker 4: there's there. What do you think, Robert? And he's there
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  Speaker 4: on the screen.
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  Speaker 2: You say that, what do you think they do about?
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  Speaker 3: To say?
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  Speaker 2: That's awesome. What do you think, many man, what do
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  Speaker 2: you think?
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  Speaker 4: Where he goes he takes it, takes a long pause,
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  Speaker 4: he takes out his earbuds, and and then finally I
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  Speaker 4: think we can go into production.
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  Speaker 2: And my god.
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  Speaker 4: And then uh, I felt this wave of kind of
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  Speaker 4: flush of I guess just excitement and adrenaline.
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  Speaker 3: Like surreal right like you're standing in front of Robert
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  Speaker 3: Driguez was doing his first two TV shows in.
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  Speaker 2: The history of his career.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, like and he's gonna direct it, and he's he's
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  Speaker 3: writing it, you know, and.
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  Speaker 1: You're gonna be an action hero and Robert.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's it's it's uh. I mean, well, well, when
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  Speaker 4: I left the room, the first you know, doubt creeps in.
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  Speaker 4: Oh maybe maybe he meant the other guy. Yeah, and
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  Speaker 4: the other guy already or j D. I think Ja
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  Speaker 4: was coming in after me, but he was he was Uh,
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  Speaker 4: he had made it his call. He had made his call,
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  Speaker 4: I think. And then uh, uh, you know, there's a
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  Speaker 4: lot of history. You know, there's a lot of history there.
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  Speaker 4: I'm from Austin where he went to school.
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  Speaker 1: Is that was that where you were born?
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  Speaker 4: I was born and raised in Austin. Your family goes
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  Speaker 4: deep back into many generations. If you know, five generations
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  Speaker 4: in Austin and Bastrop, Texas.
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  Speaker 2: What what how far back do you track?
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  Speaker 4: I mean all the way back to my Apache heritage.
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  Speaker 4: My my great great grandfather is was Geronimo Luna was
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  Speaker 4: his name, great great great I guess. Uh. He was
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  Speaker 4: actually born twelve years before the Great War Chief Geronimo.
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  Speaker 4: So the fact that he is named Geronimo is actually
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  Speaker 4: interesting because it was he actually predates the Great War Chief.
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  Speaker 4: But the on the family, you know, the Apache lands
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  Speaker 4: extent all the way to Durango and and but there
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  Speaker 4: in the hill country is the Lepan Apache and uh,
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  Speaker 4: and so it's just a a long time in Austin.
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  Speaker 4: He was from Austin. I worked with Marcell, his little brother.
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  Speaker 4: Marcel was the DP of my friend Rohelio's student film
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  Speaker 4: when he was getting his master's and so we shot
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  Speaker 4: it at Marcel's house. And so when it came down
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  Speaker 4: to it, when he was making his decision, he told
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  Speaker 4: me this, He said, you know, I asked a round Austin,
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  Speaker 4: and I asked and basically all my brothers and sisters
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  Speaker 4: know you. You know, Roxy knows you. Marcel knows you.
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  Speaker 4: Everybody has really great things to say. You did a
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  Speaker 4: great job in the read and and and so you
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  Speaker 4: were my guy and uh. I remember when I got
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  Speaker 4: the call. I was on my way to Trader Joe's
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  Speaker 4: and I don't remember where my wife was, but I
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  Speaker 4: just got They just called me and said you're you know,
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  Speaker 4: you're the leader. I would have been my manager at
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  Speaker 4: the time. Also, bro, who's a partner? How they bak
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  Speaker 4: take no?
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  Speaker 2: I mean the you know when you're going back home?
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  Speaker 4: Well they got Well that was the whole plan when
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  Speaker 4: I came out here was was for them to send
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  Speaker 4: me back with a bigger part because every every show,
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  Speaker 4: because a lot of was happening in Austin at the time.
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  Speaker 4: But it would it would only extend as far as
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  Speaker 4: the kind of day player roles for us.
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  Speaker 5: You know.
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  Speaker 4: I did a day player role in a picture called
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  Speaker 4: The Temple Grandon, which was the first time I was
• 15:08
  Speaker 4: in the hair and makeup trailer with Catherine O'Hara, who
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  Speaker 4: I worked with on the Last of Us. I posted
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  Speaker 4: this really interested, this really cool fifteen sixteen years apart,
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  Speaker 4: this photograph of us, and we recreated the composition of
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  Speaker 4: that photo in the hair and makeup trailer. But anyway,
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  Speaker 4: just day player roles that they would offer in Austin,
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  Speaker 4: and so my whole thing was to go to La.
• 15:31
  Speaker 4: They'll send you back with a bigger part. Wow. But
• 15:35
  Speaker 4: we shot Matador in in La. Yeah, oh you shot it. Yeah,
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  Speaker 4: it was It was based. The character was a Dea
• 15:46
  Speaker 4: agent who was recruited by the CIA to take down
• 15:49
  Speaker 4: this nefarious character played by Alfred Molina for the great.
• 15:53
  Speaker 3: By the way, they get Alfred million to play the
• 15:55
  Speaker 3: main thing, It's like, oh, man, Alfred is a good.
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  Speaker 4: Amazing thing. Amazing dude. There was just an incredible honor
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  Speaker 4: to work with him, and Sammy Rotv was in the show,
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  Speaker 4: and a bunch of other really great actors, and.
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  Speaker 3: Get some great cameos in there too, some great Well
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  Speaker 3: you guys showed that you guys really went to Hollywood
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  Speaker 3: party and there we all of us the casts from
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  Speaker 3: from that's still done.
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  Speaker 2: We like sit around a little table and now he
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  Speaker 2: just kind of walks.
• 16:19
  Speaker 4: By a young a young he's a Gonzales.
• 16:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he's a shout out to a so also champion
• 16:24
  Speaker 2: in fealing it for everybody.
• 16:26
  Speaker 1: Man.
• 16:26
  Speaker 4: Absolutely, we love I love that Gal. She was great.
• 16:39
  Speaker 4: I mean when I got the part, I came down
• 16:41
  Speaker 4: south By you guys were doing you guys built a
• 16:43
  Speaker 4: titty twister. Yeah, at south By Southwest, which is of
• 16:46
  Speaker 4: course the bar and from the tunstill dawn and we
• 16:49
  Speaker 4: all went and Robert was jamming my cousins who were
• 16:51
  Speaker 4: in his band. Another connection that we had, my cousin
• 16:54
  Speaker 4: Delk Steel band named Steel when they played with Robert,
• 16:57
  Speaker 4: they play under the band name Ching Going Ching.
• 17:02
  Speaker 3: Realized right, but like literally not until very late I
• 17:05
  Speaker 3: put that together.
• 17:06
  Speaker 2: Like I was like, oh my god, you're related to
• 17:08
  Speaker 2: the bad too.
• 17:08
  Speaker 4: Like it was just well, we're actually we're actually just
• 17:10
  Speaker 4: cousins by you know, the primo is the way we are. Yeah,
• 17:15
  Speaker 4: my actual blood cousin is the guitar tech. But but
• 17:19
  Speaker 4: my grandma's made a name of Castile and uh and
• 17:22
  Speaker 4: her uh uh and the boys we just always said
• 17:25
  Speaker 4: were some yeah and so, but yeah that you know,
• 17:33
  Speaker 4: when Robert Casserine they and then he's when he was
• 17:36
  Speaker 4: doing press, he was like, yeah, you know, I saw
• 17:38
  Speaker 4: this guy and I knew I knew him, And I
• 17:40
  Speaker 4: was like, wait a second, I think think I think
• 17:43
  Speaker 4: your cousin's in my band. Sometimes that's the way deals
• 17:46
  Speaker 4: come together.
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: Did your cousins never bring you around when you were younger?
• 17:50
  Speaker 4: Yeah. The first time I met Robert was at La
• 17:54
  Speaker 4: Zona Rosa in Austin, Texas, which is an awesome, awesome
• 17:57
  Speaker 4: bar that's no longer there creditable music venue. He was playing.
• 18:02
  Speaker 4: It was George Lopez's birthday. George was there, drunk off
• 18:06
  Speaker 4: his ass like playing What did he play? I think
• 18:11
  Speaker 4: he played iron Man. I think like they gave him
• 18:14
  Speaker 4: the guitar and he like played the rift to iron
• 18:16
  Speaker 4: Man and then he staged dove off the stage, George away. Yeah,
• 18:21
  Speaker 4: And I remember that. It was after I had done
• 18:24
  Speaker 4: my first feature, which is this independent called Falter Grace,
• 18:27
  Speaker 4: which went to south By Southwestern Competition in two thousand
• 18:29
  Speaker 4: and five. And I had a copy of this, a
• 18:31
  Speaker 4: bunch of copies of the DVD, and I remember I
• 18:35
  Speaker 4: met him after the show. They my cousin went to
• 18:39
  Speaker 4: introduce me, and my mom gave him the DVD and no,
• 18:43
  Speaker 4: he didn't even touch it. And then Cecilia, who was
• 18:45
  Speaker 4: his assistant at the time, I think she may still
• 18:47
  Speaker 4: be graps it, puts it in her bag and probably
• 18:50
  Speaker 4: never saw the light a day again. You out with
• 18:53
  Speaker 4: my mom. This was years This was two thousand and
• 18:57
  Speaker 4: this would have been yeah, around like two thousand and five. Yeah,
• 19:01
  Speaker 4: and then it was eight years later that that he
• 19:03
  Speaker 4: and I were on set doing the show and that
• 19:05
  Speaker 4: that when you guys did your cameo. That was the
• 19:07
  Speaker 4: first episode and we were in up in Hummingbird Ranch
• 19:12
  Speaker 4: up here in see Me Valley where they shoot a
• 19:14
  Speaker 4: lot of stuff, and it was a really really incredible
• 19:18
  Speaker 4: I mean, you're sitting there, you're all dressed up all
• 19:20
  Speaker 4: nights like this cool super spy and who's who becomes
• 19:24
  Speaker 4: a soccer star? Yeah, infiltrates the soccer team to take
• 19:27
  Speaker 4: down Fred's character and and doing all this really cool
• 19:32
  Speaker 4: kind of espionage, you know, slight ahead and.
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: It had the toys too, the toys there.
• 19:38
  Speaker 4: And it was just it was just such an incredible experience.
• 19:42
  Speaker 5: Yeah, what was that like for you? As like a
• 19:44
  Speaker 5: young guy, young actor from Austin. You've been here pounding
• 19:48
  Speaker 5: a pavement and then like your first big thing just
• 19:51
  Speaker 5: so happens to be with the guy who plays in
• 19:54
  Speaker 5: the band with your cousins. Yeah, well it just so
• 19:57
  Speaker 5: happens to be from your hometown and.
• 19:59
  Speaker 4: Who we all you know, grew up idolizing.
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, And.
• 20:03
  Speaker 5: Did you feel like a deep sense of like responsibility
• 20:06
  Speaker 5: it was I felt.
• 20:09
  Speaker 4: I certainly felt those feelings. Also felt this sense of
• 20:14
  Speaker 4: kind of manifestation of yeah, you know, an illumination of
• 20:22
  Speaker 4: the path and the and the and kind of take
• 20:27
  Speaker 4: like stepping into stride of what kind of I was
• 20:29
  Speaker 4: supposed to what I was supposed to do? You know?
• 20:34
  Speaker 4: You know, I think I think at some point, especially
• 20:38
  Speaker 4: with us in our community and the way, you know,
• 20:41
  Speaker 4: back then, when it was few and far between, you
• 20:43
  Speaker 4: had to believe that it was kind of you and
• 20:46
  Speaker 4: only only you that could that could do this particular thing.
• 20:49
  Speaker 4: You know what I mean. It was the idea that
• 20:52
  Speaker 4: what is mine is mine and no one else's and
• 20:54
  Speaker 4: what is another man's is his, and I don't cover
• 20:57
  Speaker 4: at that, and I support and celebrate that which is.
• 21:00
  Speaker 4: It's kind of a beautiful thing about this podcast, what
• 21:02
  Speaker 4: you guys are doing, and the way you've treated me
• 21:05
  Speaker 4: my entire career since I got here, since we first met,
• 21:07
  Speaker 4: you know, to be to be able to communicate with
• 21:11
  Speaker 4: you and text you and have this, have you be
• 21:13
  Speaker 4: as couraging as you have been and always so supportive
• 21:15
  Speaker 4: and that's the idea. You know, we do we do
• 21:19
  Speaker 4: our thing, deliver excellence and given the opportunity, as Robert
• 21:23
  Speaker 4: says in his book, and and then you know, shine
• 21:27
  Speaker 4: turn and pivot and shine that spotlight on others so
• 21:30
  Speaker 4: that you know, the path stays illuminated, the door stays open,
• 21:33
  Speaker 4: and people can follow in. And I do remember just feeling,
• 21:37
  Speaker 4: you know, it's the first time I've been on a
• 21:38
  Speaker 4: set where it's you know, two hundred extras, and the
• 21:42
  Speaker 4: first time I've worked on anything pasted a couple of months,
• 21:44
  Speaker 4: you know, of plays that I would do in Austin
• 21:46
  Speaker 4: that I get paid five hundred dollars for the entire run.
• 21:49
  Speaker 4: And and and now here I am full six month
• 21:54
  Speaker 4: engagement as the leader of this show, working in opposite
• 21:57
  Speaker 4: out for Lena, and there's a whole new new world.
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: Did you have to train hard for that?
• 22:03
  Speaker 4: Oh yeah, we trained a lot. We We trained with
• 22:05
  Speaker 4: a lot of professional soccer players first and foremost because
• 22:08
  Speaker 4: I had to kind of make that passable. And then
• 22:12
  Speaker 4: worked with Chick Daniels, who was this was kind of
• 22:14
  Speaker 4: the first.
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: Uh.
• 22:17
  Speaker 4: It's funny because I'm going to see Arrn Terrorn, Tarrann
• 22:20
  Speaker 4: tactical Sunday who trains up all of the john Wick
• 22:23
  Speaker 4: because people. And then course worked and worked with so
• 22:27
  Speaker 4: many of the guys I'm working with now on the
• 22:28
  Speaker 4: terminal list. But as far as being on the gun
• 22:31
  Speaker 4: and working with with firearms and working with with various
• 22:34
  Speaker 4: weapons systems, I got to meet a guy named Chick
• 22:36
  Speaker 4: Daniels who's former FBI, who was our technical advisor on
• 22:40
  Speaker 4: Manador and who I worked with another two or three
• 22:42
  Speaker 4: times since then. So a lot of work at the range.
• 22:48
  Speaker 4: And then uh, we had former professional soccer players on
• 22:52
  Speaker 4: our team to fill out the makeshift that you know.
• 22:55
  Speaker 4: We were the LA Riot Right team, and we played
• 22:59
  Speaker 4: all the games down at what at the time was
• 23:03
  Speaker 4: the stub Hub Center which is now the Dignity Health
• 23:06
  Speaker 4: Center where the LA Galaxy play, and so that's where
• 23:08
  Speaker 4: all we shot all the home games and we developed
• 23:11
  Speaker 4: a relationship there. And at the time Beckham was a
• 23:14
  Speaker 4: owner of the team, that's right, and so I got that.
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: Was a very pioneer moment for LA Soccer.
• 23:19
  Speaker 3: Was United States Soccer and Ben comes in and all
• 23:21
  Speaker 3: of a sudden, the league is feeling a little different. Absolutely,
• 23:25
  Speaker 3: people are going to the games. They were going crazy
• 23:27
  Speaker 3: and just it's it was insane.
• 23:28
  Speaker 4: And now we got a traffic coaches l A f
• 23:31
  Speaker 4: C versus LA Galaxy, and you know they get there's
• 23:33
  Speaker 4: just a and just the the the game itself and
• 23:37
  Speaker 4: the league itself, you know, messy and everybody over in Miami.
• 23:40
  Speaker 4: You know it's it's We were kind of ahead of
• 23:43
  Speaker 4: the curve at the time, and there weren't a lot
• 23:46
  Speaker 4: of soccer shows out there. I think that that was
• 23:49
  Speaker 4: a kind of a special legacy that that show has.
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: So you were pulling like double duty then high.
• 23:56
  Speaker 5: You were at one part of the day you're learning
• 23:59
  Speaker 5: how to shoot, you're learning, and then the other part
• 24:01
  Speaker 5: of the day learning how to become like a professional soccer.
• 24:03
  Speaker 4: I still have like a horrible turf toe on my
• 24:06
  Speaker 4: right foot from one take where I had to I mean,
• 24:11
  Speaker 4: it was a beautiful in this show. It's a beautiful
• 24:13
  Speaker 4: goal I basically, I basically, I mean where the spiders
• 24:17
  Speaker 4: make their webs man, I just just beautifully kind of
• 24:20
  Speaker 4: like curving, oh right, corner up the top corner man
• 24:24
  Speaker 4: and the and then the other take, I meg the
• 24:27
  Speaker 4: keeper and that one looks great too. But then there
• 24:29
  Speaker 4: there was one take where I went, I run all
• 24:32
  Speaker 4: the way down the field. There's about one hundred and
• 24:34
  Speaker 4: fifty some odd extras that they had to move around
• 24:38
  Speaker 4: the stadium to just show it, and then we can
• 24:40
  Speaker 4: kind of, you know, with v effects, they were able
• 24:42
  Speaker 4: to populate the entire stadium and but one of them,
• 24:47
  Speaker 4: I basically go to strike the ball and I just
• 24:49
  Speaker 4: dig my entire foot into the turf and I can
• 24:53
  Speaker 4: still feel it on my big toe right this is
• 24:55
  Speaker 4: this is been twelve years later, still feel it and
• 25:00
  Speaker 4: it's just but but that that take is amazing because
• 25:03
  Speaker 4: it was just it's just it was just surreal just
• 25:05
  Speaker 4: to have the whole experience of that. And then go
• 25:08
  Speaker 4: up to the crowd and I grab one of the
• 25:09
  Speaker 4: red ree Riot flags and my nickname was the Matador
• 25:12
  Speaker 4: in the show, and so, uh so I take it
• 25:15
  Speaker 4: out like it's a you know, it's a cape and
• 25:17
  Speaker 4: then all my all my teammates come through with their
• 25:19
  Speaker 4: bullhorns and they're kind of, you know this this beautiful
• 25:22
  Speaker 4: kind of they overcrank the camera. It's this slow most celebration.
• 25:25
  Speaker 4: It's just all of this uh, really really fun stuff
• 25:29
  Speaker 4: that I had. This was my dream to do something
• 25:32
  Speaker 4: like this and to prove that I could carry the
• 25:33
  Speaker 4: show and not only do that, but do it over
• 25:36
  Speaker 4: the course of the of the season. HM.
• 25:48
  Speaker 3: It was a very special moment. The paradigm had kind
• 25:52
  Speaker 3: of like shifted, you know, and Rubbert had made such
• 25:56
  Speaker 3: a signal that he was going to make these Latino
• 26:00
  Speaker 3: stories feel larger than life, and that he was going
• 26:02
  Speaker 3: to do the Robert de Riguez thing, which is like,
• 26:04
  Speaker 3: it doesn't matter who's on that screen. If he's a hero,
• 26:06
  Speaker 3: he's a hero, right. And one of the things that
• 26:10
  Speaker 3: I you know, reflect back to it, and I really think,
• 26:14
  Speaker 3: you know, I think back to in that moment, is
• 26:18
  Speaker 3: you know he saw something in you that he knew
• 26:21
  Speaker 3: that was going to you know, be a real resource
• 26:26
  Speaker 3: for healing for a lot of our culture. You know,
• 26:29
  Speaker 3: the way you command the screen, Gary, you should know
• 26:34
  Speaker 3: is so effortlessly powerful. And every you win on this
• 26:39
  Speaker 3: beautiful run right after that and you and by the way,
• 26:42
  Speaker 3: you haven't stopped like you've been consistently getting what you deserve,
• 26:45
  Speaker 3: like the parts that really showcase the beauty of the
• 26:49
  Speaker 3: craftsmanship of what you you know, what you've been able
• 26:51
  Speaker 3: to do, and and it's been beautiful to see that
• 26:56
  Speaker 3: in our generation this is possible, you know, the ability
• 27:02
  Speaker 3: that you have to create these characters and where they
• 27:06
  Speaker 3: really contribute not just to the story, but they contribute to,
• 27:09
  Speaker 3: you know, the overall lord of why you watch the show,
• 27:13
  Speaker 3: you know, And that's something like I just you know,
• 27:17
  Speaker 3: I've always try to tell you a little bit every
• 27:19
  Speaker 3: time I see you, but I'm so happy to tell
• 27:21
  Speaker 3: you that likes as rare as it was before. You're
• 27:25
  Speaker 3: making it feel so normal for everyone to just trust
• 27:28
  Speaker 3: you with the ball and trust our culture with the
• 27:30
  Speaker 3: ball in this way. And uh, and I think that's
• 27:33
  Speaker 3: something that I just I couldn't wait to tell you that,
• 27:35
  Speaker 3: And and think about the run that you had, like
• 27:37
  Speaker 3: because right after that you was it Agent?
• 27:42
  Speaker 4: Yeah? Right?
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: Was that the next one that you were like?
• 27:45
  Speaker 4: Well, there's a lot there's a couple of things before
• 27:48
  Speaker 4: we move on from that, as far as like Matador
• 27:51
  Speaker 4: and what it what I carried with me from that, Uh,
• 27:56
  Speaker 4: first of all is a memory. Well, first of all
• 27:59
  Speaker 4: is that guitar, which is was Robert's guitar. Yeah, and
• 28:04
  Speaker 4: he used to play it. He used to play it
• 28:05
  Speaker 4: at the monitor, as he did does with every every
• 28:08
  Speaker 4: production that he ever is on. Yeah, you probably experienced
• 28:11
  Speaker 4: that don't planetaryer. I'm sure you guys are all experienced.
• 28:13
  Speaker 4: But it was this guitar which he gave me. And
• 28:16
  Speaker 4: now I've taken to every single set that I've ever
• 28:18
  Speaker 4: been on. Most people know me as the guy who
• 28:20
  Speaker 4: brings guitar to work and never leaves the set and
• 28:23
  Speaker 4: plays plays tunes for everyone. But the that was really
• 28:26
  Speaker 4: really special because after because the night that we shot
• 28:30
  Speaker 4: that you did your cameo was one of the last
• 28:33
  Speaker 4: nights of the shoot. And so when Robert wrapped, he
• 28:35
  Speaker 4: got in his Dodge Challenger, which ties into Agents for
• 28:39
  Speaker 4: Shield because that car is based off the nineteen sixty
• 28:42
  Speaker 4: nine Dars Charger, which is the car that Robbie Ray's
• 28:44
  Speaker 4: Ghostwrider drives as the ghost Rider, but Robert had a
• 28:49
  Speaker 4: version of it. So there's these moments in my career
• 28:51
  Speaker 4: that always been this kind of foreshadowing things of what
• 28:53
  Speaker 4: was going to happen. Unbeknownst to me they were they
• 28:56
  Speaker 4: were these kind of almost like.
• 28:58
  Speaker 3: Prophecies from the future, goes from the future, right like manifested.
• 29:02
  Speaker 4: So he got in his car, took the guitar. Uh
• 29:05
  Speaker 4: we wrapped at four AM. I got home maybe about
• 29:07
  Speaker 4: five five thirty, went to bed and I was like,
• 29:09
  Speaker 4: I think I guess he forgot about the turn. Oh
• 29:10
  Speaker 4: that's okay. He calls me at six fifteen in the morning,
• 29:14
  Speaker 4: maybe maybe six thirty, I don't know. I answered thankfully
• 29:16
  Speaker 4: that I answered because I saw it was him. And
• 29:19
  Speaker 4: he's like, he's like, gay, so so hiffy, I forgot
• 29:21
  Speaker 4: to give you that guitar man, And I was like,
• 29:23
  Speaker 4: oh yeah, well, oh yeah, I didn't know. I didn't
• 29:27
  Speaker 4: remember that. And then he's like, well, I have meetings today,
• 29:29
  Speaker 4: but I'm gonna leave it at the conscairs at the
• 29:31
  Speaker 4: Four Seasons. Go pick it up whenever you can. Is like,
• 29:32
  Speaker 4: we'll do. So I go over there. I walk up
• 29:36
  Speaker 4: to the concierge. He goes back in the closet, grabs
• 29:38
  Speaker 4: the case. It sits right there and open. I open
• 29:40
  Speaker 4: it up. I look in sign and it's like pulp fiction,
• 29:42
  Speaker 4: just like shut and I close it up. I start
• 29:46
  Speaker 4: walking out the door and the concierge looks at me.
• 29:49
  Speaker 4: He's like hey, I'm like, yeah, old Mexican guy, you know.
• 29:53
  Speaker 4: He goes, are you a Mariachi?
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: I guess I go and I walk out the door.
• 30:00
  Speaker 4: My guitar case full of guns in the but no,
• 30:03
  Speaker 4: it was just that's that's that beautiful. And he's like,
• 30:06
  Speaker 4: you know what, string with black gut strings, which I
• 30:08
  Speaker 4: always do, and bringing to work like you always do.
• 30:10
  Speaker 4: And that's been with me ever since. But uh, in
• 30:12
  Speaker 4: the other memory mattered or before I before we move on,
• 30:16
  Speaker 4: at the castle at Robert's house, he hosts Barack Obama,
• 30:20
  Speaker 4: who was the President of the States at the time.
• 30:23
  Speaker 4: You were there that night. You and I had a beautiful,
• 30:25
  Speaker 4: beautiful time, good conversation and and uh you you and
• 30:30
  Speaker 4: I were part of the clutch to receive the president
• 30:32
  Speaker 4: enters the house, and you were talking about him showing
• 30:35
  Speaker 4: heroes as as he intends them to be seen, as
• 30:37
  Speaker 4: as they are as they appear to us in life,
• 30:40
  Speaker 4: which is in every shade and every shape and every face.
• 30:44
  Speaker 4: And and I remember when the President walks in, he
• 30:47
  Speaker 4: goes and he shook shakes all our hands, and I'm
• 30:49
  Speaker 4: there in my in this like gray suit that I
• 30:52
  Speaker 4: bought at the Salvation Army at one point that I
• 30:54
  Speaker 4: had Taylor, so it looked real nice. And uh, you
• 30:57
  Speaker 4: know what, that's not true, that's not the suit from
• 30:59
  Speaker 4: the although I did have that suit it's a freaking
• 31:02
  Speaker 4: beautiful suit. It sees my language. But this one was
• 31:05
  Speaker 4: actually one that I borrowed from set that I wore
• 31:07
  Speaker 4: in the show in Matador. It was a Hugo Boss
• 31:10
  Speaker 4: Taylor suit that I that I that fell off the
• 31:13
  Speaker 4: truck and belongs to me now. And so I go
• 31:17
  Speaker 4: up there, President shakes all our hands. It comes up
• 31:19
  Speaker 4: to me. Robert's like, and this is Gabrierlone. He's the
• 31:22
  Speaker 4: leader of our current show. He's the lead of our
• 31:23
  Speaker 4: current show. I'm already going into the Obama I personation.
• 31:25
  Speaker 4: You'd probably hear it. And he goes, He goes, and
• 31:28
  Speaker 4: Roberts like, this is this is what an American hero
• 31:31
  Speaker 4: looks like according to us, and how we want to
• 31:33
  Speaker 4: show it. And and the President looks for me. He's like, oh,
• 31:38
  Speaker 4: well he looks like a superhero, all right. Look at that.
• 31:40
  Speaker 4: Oh man, that's a nice, great suit. You're lia be sharre.
• 31:43
  Speaker 4: I was like, thank you, Sarah, appreciate it. And he goes.
• 31:46
  Speaker 4: We proceed to take this beautiful photograph all of us together.
• 31:49
  Speaker 4: I go outside. My wife's in line with Danny. Danny's there,
• 31:52
  Speaker 4: Danny Trejo, who was always around, and we walk in
• 31:56
  Speaker 4: all the people outside had paid upwards of thirty forty
• 31:58
  Speaker 4: fifty thousand dollars to be there meet the President the
• 32:00
  Speaker 4: United States. It was a fundraiser for the DNC. Coming
• 32:03
  Speaker 4: back inside, my wife takes a single with the with
• 32:06
  Speaker 4: the president. She's starting to walk off. I was like, baby,
• 32:08
  Speaker 4: come back for a second, mister president. This is my
• 32:10
  Speaker 4: wife's Smaranda. It was like, oh, great, this is your wife.
• 32:14
  Speaker 4: He's not getting a big head? Is he funny to me?
• 32:17
  Speaker 4: My wife's like, oh yeah. I was like, no, so
• 32:21
  Speaker 4: she's kidding. My head is firmly screwed on. He's like, well,
• 32:23
  Speaker 4: i'll tell you what if he is. You just talked
• 32:26
  Speaker 4: to Michelle. She's got some experience with.
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: That this guy. And by the way, it's like, this
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: is my life. This is imagine, like it's like your life.
• 32:33
  Speaker 4: And then you remember we had that discussion with him afterwards,
• 32:36
  Speaker 4: and I remember this was one of the times where
• 32:38
  Speaker 4: I was like, I wish Wilmer was native born so
• 32:40
  Speaker 4: that I can vote him into office to be the president,
• 32:44
  Speaker 4: because you were so impressive man, while I was so
• 32:47
  Speaker 4: kind of reserved, kind of didn't didn't you know, it
• 32:52
  Speaker 4: wasn't asserting, which I didn't assert myself in the conversation.
• 32:54
  Speaker 4: I was just listening. I was just beholding what was happening.
• 32:57
  Speaker 4: Wilmer was tip of the spear, front of the front
• 33:00
  Speaker 4: of the front of the platoon, asking important questions about
• 33:05
  Speaker 4: immigration policy and and and where are people are and
• 33:09
  Speaker 4: where are people need to be? And I remember looking
• 33:12
  Speaker 4: looking at you. I was next to you, and my
• 33:14
  Speaker 4: wife was here, and you were there just watching you
• 33:17
  Speaker 4: hold yourself in this way and and and in that
• 33:21
  Speaker 4: moment aspired to be that. So I'm thankful for that.
• 33:24
  Speaker 4: So I take that. I take my relationship with you,
• 33:26
  Speaker 4: and of course Robert and everyone else in the guitar
• 33:28
  Speaker 4: is what came from Mata. And then we move into
• 33:31
  Speaker 4: the future where well, I want.
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: To say some before we move on.
• 33:34
  Speaker 5: Uh, you know, as as you were talking about him
• 33:37
  Speaker 5: and the stuff that you've been doing, you know, as
• 33:40
  Speaker 5: someone who's a little older than.
• 33:41
  Speaker 4: Both of you and looked younger than.
• 33:46
  Speaker 5: Uh, it's been wonderful to see you uh and your trajectory. Uh,
• 33:54
  Speaker 5: especially And what I love is that we've all worked
• 33:56
  Speaker 5: with Robert right, and so we kind of know what
• 33:58
  Speaker 5: his ethos is right, and a lot of what he's
• 34:02
  Speaker 5: done is that he has made latinos commercially viable, right,
• 34:09
  Speaker 5: And in our industry, I think at the end of
• 34:11
  Speaker 5: the day, all the people on the upstairs, all they.
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: Care about is whether we can make the money or not.
• 34:17
  Speaker 5: And he's created this platform where he puts people like
• 34:22
  Speaker 5: us at the forefront in projects that have themes and
• 34:26
  Speaker 5: revolve around certain aspects that proved that we could be
• 34:31
  Speaker 5: commercial or the project could be commercially viable.
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: And you're the face of that.
• 34:35
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 34:35
  Speaker 5: You're playing a soccer player who's like a James Bond. Right,
• 34:40
  Speaker 5: those are commercially viable themes, yes, and he could have
• 34:43
  Speaker 5: chosen anybody to play that, but he chose you, right.
• 34:46
  Speaker 5: And by choosing you, and by you doing the last
• 34:49
  Speaker 5: of us and you doing everything else that you've done,
• 34:51
  Speaker 5: you're showing Hollywood that you can be commercially viable. And
• 34:56
  Speaker 5: if you can prove that you can be commercially viable,
• 34:58
  Speaker 5: they're going to continue to in invest in people like you.
• 35:01
  Speaker 5: And that's what's been so wonderful about what Robert has
• 35:04
  Speaker 5: been doing. It's been so wonderful about what Wilma has
• 35:06
  Speaker 5: been doing, and and we just got to continue to
• 35:08
  Speaker 5: do that. You know, the next generation of Gabriel Luna's
• 35:11
  Speaker 5: and Wilmer and me and and and keep creating projects.
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: Like that so that we can keep proving that we
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: can make the money.
• 35:17
  Speaker 4: Absolutely man. And and you know, and I think when
• 35:20
  Speaker 4: I think of you, I always think of I loved,
• 35:22
  Speaker 4: can't hardly wait. I watched the movie so much do
• 35:26
  Speaker 4: they say pop? And I was just like, but that
• 35:29
  Speaker 4: was the thing. It's like Freddie Rodriguez as this one
• 35:32
  Speaker 4: of the cool kids, you know, and with no specific
• 35:35
  Speaker 4: kind of framing of it or a reason why a
• 35:38
  Speaker 4: young Latino is in that position other than they are
• 35:42
  Speaker 4: in life. And that's just the way it works. And
• 35:44
  Speaker 4: I remember watching that thing. That's that's that's that's cool.
• 35:46
  Speaker 4: I like that. I want to I want that, you know,
• 35:49
  Speaker 4: and and you're and and that's the thing, man, It's
• 35:53
  Speaker 4: just when given, you know, use whatever resources you have
• 35:57
  Speaker 4: at your disposal, when given the opportunity to deliver excellence,
• 36:00
  Speaker 4: never quit. That's what he is, the last line of
• 36:02
  Speaker 4: rebel without a crew, of Robert's book, And that's what
• 36:05
  Speaker 4: is what we're all striving to do. And it's working.
• 36:10
  Speaker 4: It's working in a way that is not only commercially viable,
• 36:14
  Speaker 4: but is some of the best creative on on screen.
• 36:18
  Speaker 4: In the Last of Us. You have myself, you have Bedrol,
• 36:20
  Speaker 4: you have you have Isabella, you have Adiella bar you
• 36:25
  Speaker 4: have Danny Ramirez. You have all these people, and it's
• 36:27
  Speaker 4: one of the big shows, if not the biggest show
• 36:29
  Speaker 4: on the planet at right time, at this present moment.
• 36:34
  Speaker 4: The you have Diego and in and Or and and
• 36:40
  Speaker 4: and everyone in that show. You have Asa doing what
• 36:43
  Speaker 4: she's doing, and you have everybody now in this position
• 36:47
  Speaker 4: to where it is. It's just it's natural and and
• 36:52
  Speaker 4: that's that's just a great place to be, especially in
• 36:55
  Speaker 4: this moment where our culture is trying to another attempt,
• 36:59
  Speaker 4: another way that they're never going to They can never
• 37:02
  Speaker 4: snuff us out, no matter how hard they try and
• 37:04
  Speaker 4: how hard they try to otherise us or or remove
• 37:07
  Speaker 4: us from the equation. It's it's we're only growing not
• 37:11
  Speaker 4: only in populace, but also in uh in spirit and
• 37:16
  Speaker 4: exposure and in proof of our ability and our and
• 37:23
  Speaker 4: our success, the magnitude of the culture. It's just it's
• 37:28
  Speaker 4: just too too forceful, too loud, too vibrant to be
• 37:32
  Speaker 4: snuffed out.
• 37:42
  Speaker 3: To talk about this bionary moments. I mean bringing full
• 37:45
  Speaker 3: circle to the Shield, you know, you know, the Ghostwriter.
• 37:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah, when that happened.
• 37:51
  Speaker 4: Twenty fifteen, that was the first Mexican American superhero especial
• 37:56
  Speaker 4: certainly of one of the bigger.
• 37:59
  Speaker 2: I mean Tempole care titles.
• 38:00
  Speaker 3: Yes, of course, and like one of the first times
• 38:03
  Speaker 3: that character is going to be brought to life for
• 38:05
  Speaker 3: this next generation. You know, I think that, you know,
• 38:08
  Speaker 3: I think obviously Nicholas Case had his quick run with that,
• 38:12
  Speaker 3: you know, with that movie, but this was the most
• 38:16
  Speaker 3: the most relevant rendition of that character. I wouldn't be
• 38:21
  Speaker 3: surprised if you were brought to Doomsday at some point.
• 38:23
  Speaker 3: But we're not gonna we're not gonna talk about that
• 38:25
  Speaker 3: right now.
• 38:25
  Speaker 4: They might have ran out of chairs.
• 38:27
  Speaker 2: But but you know what, you.
• 38:30
  Speaker 4: Could put duct type on somebody else's chair who's already wrapped.
• 38:32
  Speaker 2: That's right, That's what I'm saying that. But it's gonna
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: die in the first ten minutes of that movie.
• 38:37
  Speaker 3: But but but I think to the point is is
• 38:40
  Speaker 3: that I remember when you were announced as a Ghostwriter, was.
• 38:43
  Speaker 2: Like, oh my god, there goes the neighborhood. It's like unstoppable.
• 38:48
  Speaker 3: It's like it was a really, really iconic moment because
• 38:53
  Speaker 3: the comic book world was like, finally we're gonna see this,
• 38:57
  Speaker 3: this character come to life and it.
• 38:58
  Speaker 2: Was a Latino bro.
• 38:59
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it was so bad.
• 39:01
  Speaker 3: I asked the way that and you came in and
• 39:03
  Speaker 3: you brought somethings so like, so not just that for
• 39:06
  Speaker 3: a list, but so necessary to that character. And that
• 39:09
  Speaker 3: was to me, that was the most exciting season in
• 39:12
  Speaker 3: the Shield legacy period.
• 39:14
  Speaker 4: It was a it was a shift. It was a
• 39:17
  Speaker 4: shift in the the trajectory of that show. That was
• 39:20
  Speaker 4: the maiden voyage of Marvel in television. Agent's Shield was
• 39:25
  Speaker 4: when it first started. Samuel Jackson, Colby, other other characters
• 39:31
  Speaker 4: who were in the movies were on the show, but
• 39:35
  Speaker 4: it had started to kind of slide and they didn't
• 39:37
  Speaker 4: know if they were going to get another season. I
• 39:39
  Speaker 4: remember they had moved the show to Tuesday nights, the
• 39:41
  Speaker 4: death Nail slot, Tuesday at nine, and they didn't know
• 39:46
  Speaker 4: if it was going to continue, and then I guess,
• 39:51
  Speaker 4: it's twofold. It's the it's it was the the addition
• 39:54
  Speaker 4: of the ghost writer character. Well, first of all, it
• 39:57
  Speaker 4: was the restructuring of the season to where it was
• 40:00
  Speaker 4: three different pods, where there were nine to ten episodes
• 40:03
  Speaker 4: of a twenty two episode season eight nine ten, three
• 40:07
  Speaker 4: different kind of stories that all intersect at the end,
• 40:09
  Speaker 4: and that first nine episodes was the ghostwriter segment of it.
• 40:16
  Speaker 4: They started the season that way and for nine episodes.
• 40:19
  Speaker 4: All of a sudden, I was essentially the lead character
• 40:22
  Speaker 4: of this network action Marvel show that as a new
• 40:27
  Speaker 4: as a guest star, but the way that the character
• 40:29
  Speaker 4: was positioned, the history of that character, the popularity of
• 40:34
  Speaker 4: the character, even though the version I was playing was
• 40:37
  Speaker 4: only in existence for two years at the time. Created
• 40:39
  Speaker 4: by my friend Felippe Smith, who we became very close
• 40:41
  Speaker 4: to home. Oh cool, who's half Jamaican, half Argentine, and
• 40:46
  Speaker 4: he's a beautiful He was the first American to ever
• 40:49
  Speaker 4: be published in Japan doing manga, so he's a very
• 40:54
  Speaker 4: very special individual who's certainly kind of kicked down his
• 40:59
  Speaker 4: own doors. And with the Robbie Rays character, they told
• 41:03
  Speaker 4: him he can do what they could do whatever he
• 41:04
  Speaker 4: wanted with the character, and the first thing he did
• 41:06
  Speaker 4: was take him away from the bike put him in
• 41:08
  Speaker 4: a nineteen sixty nine Dods charger because he'd loved the
• 41:10
  Speaker 4: fast in the Furious movies and it's probably the coolest
• 41:12
  Speaker 4: silhouette of any muscle car that's ever existed with the
• 41:16
  Speaker 4: big BDS blower. It's a four to forty HEMI in
• 41:18
  Speaker 4: it with another beat with a BDS blower on it
• 41:20
  Speaker 4: that makes it basically a nine hundred horsepower car. And
• 41:23
  Speaker 4: it's He's like, you know, I just wanted to. I
• 41:26
  Speaker 4: wanted to kind of piss people off, you know, or
• 41:30
  Speaker 4: provoke them. Make him a Latin, know, make him a
• 41:32
  Speaker 4: Mexican American, have him live in in hill Rock Heights,
• 41:36
  Speaker 4: which is basically the marble version of a Lincoln Heights
• 41:39
  Speaker 4: or Bull Heights. Have him be be possessed. We changed
• 41:45
  Speaker 4: it a little bit in the show, but in comic books,
• 41:46
  Speaker 4: possessed by the his serial killer uncle's spirit, you know,
• 41:51
  Speaker 4: the Satanic spirit, and him fighting against that at all times,
• 41:54
  Speaker 4: and being this father figure to his brother who's who
• 41:59
  Speaker 4: was a paraplegic, and all of these really cool elements
• 42:02
  Speaker 4: of the story that were not what the Ghostwriter character
• 42:06
  Speaker 4: was previously. Who was Johnny Blaze, the former stunt man
• 42:09
  Speaker 4: who who's so cursed. He's like, oh, this is a curse.
• 42:12
  Speaker 4: I hate this. I hate being the Ghostwriter. But for Robbie.
• 42:15
  Speaker 4: His life was already cursed. His parents were gone, he
• 42:18
  Speaker 4: was cursed by this spirit, his brothers in a wheelchair.
• 42:20
  Speaker 4: He's been thrust into this position of being this father
• 42:25
  Speaker 4: figure before his time, and the ghostwriter makes him powerful.
• 42:30
  Speaker 4: So it was this kind of different angle into that character,
• 42:34
  Speaker 4: and so we do it, and it's the It was
• 42:40
  Speaker 4: immediately received, well not immediately, because before anyone saw it,
• 42:46
  Speaker 4: everyone hated the idea. I remember a lot of people
• 42:48
  Speaker 4: hated the idea that there was a Mexican American ghostwriter.
• 42:52
  Speaker 4: Like everything, pretty much everything I've done, Terminator, the last
• 42:55
  Speaker 4: of us playing Tommy Miller's why is this guy doing it?
• 42:59
  Speaker 4: Until they see us do it?
• 43:01
  Speaker 2: Well, see how until they see you do it?
• 43:03
  Speaker 3: Let me just give you a little credit on that,
• 43:05
  Speaker 3: because because one thing is bringing a character and saying, hey,
• 43:08
  Speaker 3: we're gonna make them Latino, although in those storylines they
• 43:11
  Speaker 3: were intentionally developed to be a Latino character, which, by
• 43:14
  Speaker 3: the way, it's why also it works. But then you
• 43:18
  Speaker 3: need someone to drive that grounded and bring it to
• 43:21
  Speaker 3: the masses in a way that not only makes sense,
• 43:23
  Speaker 3: but he lifted and he sores and it and it's free.
• 43:26
  Speaker 3: So like you brought something so unique to that that
• 43:29
  Speaker 3: they're like, undeniably they bought that new ghostwriter.
• 43:32
  Speaker 2: You know, that's just ky Woes.
• 43:33
  Speaker 4: And it was just incredible from start to finish. I
• 43:37
  Speaker 4: remember when I got the job. They I was at
• 43:40
  Speaker 4: mar I was in Marfa, Texas at a at a
• 43:43
  Speaker 4: film festival for a picture I did, trans Pacos. What
• 43:45
  Speaker 4: I did with another friend of ourtis Clifty Cliffy Cliffy
• 43:48
  Speaker 4: Collins Junior, Clifton Collins Junior, myself were in this picture
• 43:51
  Speaker 4: that great Quator directed, who he and his writing partner
• 43:55
  Speaker 4: Clint Bentley were just nominated for an Oscar for Sing
• 43:57
  Speaker 4: Sing for his follow up feature, his second one. His
• 44:01
  Speaker 4: first one was Transpatos, which I was a leader and
• 44:04
  Speaker 4: the uh. And I was there in Marfa at a
• 44:07
  Speaker 4: film vessel for this movie and then my team calls me,
• 44:11
  Speaker 4: uh and they're like, you know that part on Asian
• 44:15
  Speaker 4: Shield you kept turning down and I was like yeah,
• 44:17
  Speaker 4: because they had told me there was this part on
• 44:19
  Speaker 4: Asia Shield. There was a guest star role. And this
• 44:21
  Speaker 4: is right when the Marvel thing was heating up, and
• 44:23
  Speaker 4: I was like, you know, I don't want to get
• 44:25
  Speaker 4: cast in a guest star role as a as maybe
• 44:27
  Speaker 4: an agent or something else. And then I'm just off
• 44:29
  Speaker 4: the board for everything else, and so I just kept
• 44:32
  Speaker 4: saying no. And then finally they're like, you know what,
• 44:34
  Speaker 4: you should probably go on the internet and look up
• 44:36
  Speaker 4: what's happening at at comic Con in a couple of weeks,
• 44:40
  Speaker 4: and I went on or in the following week, i
• 44:42
  Speaker 4: should say, and everyone is speculating about there's going to
• 44:46
  Speaker 4: be a ghost Rider in Agents of Shield because there
• 44:48
  Speaker 4: was all these buses that were wrapped at San Diego
• 44:51
  Speaker 4: Comic Con with these flaming chain and uh. And I
• 44:54
  Speaker 4: look it up and sure enough, the latest iteration of
• 44:57
  Speaker 4: the ghost rider was Robbie Rays, Mexican American from hill
• 45:00
  Speaker 4: Rock Heights in LA. And that they told me that
• 45:04
  Speaker 4: this is kind of the that I should look into this,
• 45:06
  Speaker 4: and I was like, wait a second. Everything about this
• 45:09
  Speaker 4: dude is a line with me. You know. He you know,
• 45:13
  Speaker 4: my mom was a fifteen year old widow when she
• 45:15
  Speaker 4: had me, and she's more so almost like a sibling
• 45:17
  Speaker 4: now in these days. I'm forty two, she's fifty seven,
• 45:20
  Speaker 4: and the uh and even even you know, I'd say
• 45:23
  Speaker 4: to the point where now I'm kind of the paternal
• 45:25
  Speaker 4: figure for the family. Yeah, take care of her, to
• 45:27
  Speaker 4: care everybody, my siblings, my grandma and uh and I.
• 45:32
  Speaker 4: But in this thing, he's this orphaned person who takes
• 45:34
  Speaker 4: care of his family, takes care of his brother whose
• 45:36
  Speaker 4: name is Gabriel, and and I'm just like, wow, this
• 45:40
  Speaker 4: is amazing. I didn't even know this guy existed. And
• 45:43
  Speaker 4: then they're like, well, they're gonna, you know, Jeff Lobe
• 45:45
  Speaker 4: and Jed Whedon and mow Tantroon Whedon, they're gonna call
• 45:49
  Speaker 4: you and set up this thing. And so I'm sitting
• 45:51
  Speaker 4: there trying to get internet and Marfa because it's really
• 45:53
  Speaker 4: you know, it's in the desert and all the internet
• 45:54
  Speaker 4: super spotty. I'm literally sitting in this house that I rented.
• 45:59
  Speaker 4: I can see we's going down the road. It's like
• 46:01
  Speaker 4: a one road kind of town. Finally get them on
• 46:04
  Speaker 4: and they they you know, they're they're like, hey, uh,
• 46:08
  Speaker 4: you should you know? Do you know anything about this character?
• 46:10
  Speaker 4: I was like, yeah, I think I know. I was
• 46:12
  Speaker 4: trying to pretend that I didn't know. And they're like, well,
• 46:15
  Speaker 4: we'd love you to put down this one scene for us,
• 46:17
  Speaker 4: and if you could do that, maybe tomorrow tomorrow or
• 46:19
  Speaker 4: today or whatever. We'd love that and say no problem.
• 46:21
  Speaker 4: So I went to my my uh my screening just
• 46:25
  Speaker 4: buzzing because I was like, Wow, this is wild. And
• 46:28
  Speaker 4: then uh then the next day I I I rented
• 46:30
  Speaker 4: a room at the Thunderbird Hotel so that I could
• 46:32
  Speaker 4: because I wasn't gonna stay. I was gonna leave. The
• 46:34
  Speaker 4: following day. I was like, you know, I'll stay one
• 46:35
  Speaker 4: more day, get this tape put in, so i'd go up.
• 46:38
  Speaker 4: My friend Nick helps me. You're stand in, who's there
• 46:41
  Speaker 4: in Marfa visiting a friend of our? Uh But unbeknown
• 46:46
  Speaker 4: to me, they were having a day rave down at
• 46:48
  Speaker 4: the pool. So at my tame So in my tape
• 46:51
  Speaker 4: all you hear in the background is which is actually
• 46:54
  Speaker 4: kind of perfect because in my mind Robbie Ray has
• 46:56
  Speaker 4: kind of listens to this really cool kind of d
• 46:58
  Speaker 4: M kind of stuff. But I do the scene. I
• 47:01
  Speaker 4: sent it in. They called me the following day, they're
• 47:04
  Speaker 4: how fast can you get back to lam Well, I'm
• 47:06
  Speaker 4: coming in today. Flew in, went home, got dressed, went
• 47:09
  Speaker 4: to go meet them. Sarah Finn was casting, met the
• 47:15
  Speaker 4: entire production team, met their kids like and this was
• 47:19
  Speaker 4: the first sense of the family that they were, and
• 47:22
  Speaker 4: then then the kind of the kind of thesis statement
• 47:26
  Speaker 4: that they have, which is really they create this family
• 47:28
  Speaker 4: culture and they were really great at that, and that's
• 47:30
  Speaker 4: why the show was as wonderful as it was, and
• 47:32
  Speaker 4: the fan base feels very much a part of the family.
• 47:36
  Speaker 4: And and I went that was a Sunday. They called
• 47:40
  Speaker 4: me the next day to tell me that I got cast.
• 47:43
  Speaker 4: I was on set that Friday. So in seven days
• 47:47
  Speaker 4: I went from just not knowing what was gonna you know,
• 47:51
  Speaker 4: just I mean, you know, I'm just doing my thing.
• 47:53
  Speaker 4: I was at this film festival to being on set
• 47:56
  Speaker 4: as the Ghostwriter. As it's being announced at sandie O
• 48:00
  Speaker 4: Comic Con. Everybody Clark, Gregg, Chloe Bent, everybody Clark was.
• 48:03
  Speaker 4: They were all in San Diego on that Friday doing
• 48:07
  Speaker 4: the big hall Ah product presentation, unveiling the fact that
• 48:10
  Speaker 4: there was gonna be the ghost Rider. And I am
• 48:12
  Speaker 4: on set squashing a Nazi with my car and uh,
• 48:18
  Speaker 4: having that.
• 48:18
  Speaker 2: Time the time of my life.
• 48:21
  Speaker 4: And from one moment to the next, I go back
• 48:24
  Speaker 4: to my charity, look at my phone, and all of
• 48:26
  Speaker 4: a suddenly, every every person I've known for the last
• 48:28
  Speaker 4: you know, in my entire life. It just texted me
• 48:31
  Speaker 4: that this that they had announced that I was playing
• 48:33
  Speaker 4: this character, and uh, and that was a huge shift.
• 48:37
  Speaker 4: I mean it changed a lot in that moment. I mean,
• 48:39
  Speaker 4: Mattador was was certainly big in my life. And then
• 48:41
  Speaker 4: as far as just people around the world knowing who
• 48:44
  Speaker 4: I was, this was kind of the moment. This was
• 48:48
  Speaker 4: the threshold that I walked through. And uh, and then
• 48:51
  Speaker 4: we had Then all his left was make the show
• 48:54
  Speaker 4: and and we we made it. I got to work
• 48:56
  Speaker 4: with incredible people. We shot in l A. So the
• 49:00
  Speaker 4: first dude, the first I was so liked. For the
• 49:04
  Speaker 4: first five six years after Matador, everything was in LA.
• 49:08
  Speaker 4: I did that. I did Wikes City for ABC. I
• 49:11
  Speaker 4: did a True Detective here in LA. I did all
• 49:13
  Speaker 4: these and I thought, well, this is what's supposed to
• 49:16
  Speaker 4: be right naturally, this is what's supposed to happen. That's
• 49:19
  Speaker 4: why we move here. And everybody's like, no, bro, you're lucky.
• 49:21
  Speaker 4: At one point I did a picture called Gravy where
• 49:23
  Speaker 4: I walked from my apartment in Hollywood to Siren Studios
• 49:27
  Speaker 4: every day with my guitar in my hand, my other guitar.
• 49:30
  Speaker 4: This is before Robert baby, this before that, and then
• 49:33
  Speaker 4: oh no, this was this was I did have this
• 49:35
  Speaker 4: by then, and uh I got to walk to work.
• 49:38
  Speaker 4: It's crazy. And now, of course the world has shifted
• 49:43
  Speaker 4: and they're so you know, every opportunity to get we
• 49:46
  Speaker 4: have to try to bring work back here because there
• 49:48
  Speaker 4: is legacy talent in this town. In every department there are.
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  Speaker 4: There are families of grips, There are families of families
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  Speaker 4: of makeup artists, and and they have families that are
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  Speaker 4: been here for decades that you can't just up and
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  Speaker 4: move around, you know. They we need to bring it
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  Speaker 4: all back. Speaking of family legacy families. Eric Norris was
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  Speaker 4: one of my stunt drivers along with Eddie Brown, incredible stuntman,
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  Speaker 4: stunt driver for for uh. And they taught me all
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  Speaker 4: kinds of stuff they probably weren't supposed to teach me,
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  Speaker 4: but you know it's kind of like, what do you
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  Speaker 4: mean in terms of just just precision driving kind of things. Yeah,
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  Speaker 4: and uh, it's kind of an ass, you know. Now
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  Speaker 4: you guys know ABC, I don't know as forgive me.
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  Speaker 2: It worked out.
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  Speaker 4: There's still a lot. But Eric was Chuck Norris's son,
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  Speaker 4: and he is Chuck Norris's son. He's an incredible stunt driver. Yeah,
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  Speaker 4: and uh he he uh. He was really fun to
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  Speaker 4: hang out with. And that's another legacy family there in
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  Speaker 4: our business. And I used to tell him Chuck Norris
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  Speaker 4: jokes in the seconder in the second person, so I'd
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  Speaker 4: be like, you know, Eric, your daddy once got bit
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  Speaker 4: by rattlesnake and after seven days of excruciator in pain,
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  Speaker 4: the rattlesnake finally died.
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  Speaker 2: You know, this is Chuck Norris his house.
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  Speaker 4: This was Chuck.
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  Speaker 2: So when I was so, Eric grew this house.
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  Speaker 4: Yes, yes, this is what I'm saying. You gotta tell
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  Speaker 4: them everything happens exactly. It's just intended to. It's crazy that.
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  Speaker 3: You had those things like really like geeking now moments
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  Speaker 3: like when when you because first of all, you were
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  Speaker 3: also a terminator.
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  Speaker 2: Let's suppose we talk about that for a second.
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  Speaker 3: But the moment when you're like you show up and
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  Speaker 3: you're like, okay, here is you know, ghost Rider's outfit.
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  Speaker 2: And you're like, damn the jacket, you know, or you
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  Speaker 2: show up to.
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  Speaker 3: A terminator you're like, there it is the you know,
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  Speaker 3: the the you know, the the chrome's called you know.
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  Speaker 4: I always say man like when when, especially with things
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  Speaker 4: like that, they're so iconic, Like with the with the
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  Speaker 4: ghost Rider, I had the horseshoe kind of insignia on
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  Speaker 4: the jacket, which was kind of the original design, the
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  Speaker 4: Gary Friederich design from the nineteen seventies comics that flipa
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  Speaker 4: rolled into Robbie's character. But I remember when I put
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  Speaker 4: that jacket on, it was like or when I put
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  Speaker 4: the the the the Air Force jumpsuit when I was
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  Speaker 4: playing the Terminator. You know, it's like there's moments where
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  Speaker 4: the character just snaps into your spine through the costume,
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  Speaker 4: you know, and and there's just these Yeah, the Terminator
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  Speaker 4: thing was another thing where it's it was kind of
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  Speaker 4: it was kind of forecast ahead of time because I
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  Speaker 4: remember doing the ghost Rider in the in the Charger,
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  Speaker 4: which made me think of Robert h in his Dodge
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  Speaker 4: Challenger when he was directing us. I was like, this
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  Speaker 4: is this is so crazy. And then I'm in there
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  Speaker 4: racing down the La River going just ridiculously fast and
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  Speaker 4: because this car was very powerful, and then I was
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  Speaker 4: and then I hear on the walkie They're like, oh man,
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  Speaker 4: this is like grease. It's like grease Lightnings, and I
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  Speaker 4: was like, I get on the walking. I'm like, you know, yeah,
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  Speaker 4: it is kind of like grease, but I'm getting more
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  Speaker 4: Terminator vibes, which is, of course the famous scene where
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  Speaker 4: Robert Patrick and the eighteen wheelers chasing Arnold and Edward
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  Speaker 4: is John Connor down the La River. Yeah. I remember
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  Speaker 4: telling Robert which you mad at or we were on
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  Speaker 4: the First Street Bridge, which is in the First Terminator
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  Speaker 4: where you first see the stop motion endoskeleton of the
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  Speaker 4: terminator after the eighteen wheeler explodes and it emerges and
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  Speaker 4: all the skin is burned off. That was on the
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  Speaker 4: First Street Bridge in La And I remember thinking of
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  Speaker 4: that when I was shooting that. I had to see
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  Speaker 4: him with James Kallis from Battlestar Galactor. We're both on
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  Speaker 4: this thing, and it's just kind of wild that it
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  Speaker 4: all developed that way, because sure enough I would be
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  Speaker 4: Jim Cameron and Tim Miller cast me as a terminator
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  Speaker 4: in twenty eighteen and we went shot the film.
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  Speaker 1: You're telling so many great stories.
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  Speaker 5: We're just going to take a slight pause and we're
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  Speaker 5: going to continue on the next episode.
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  Speaker 3: Stays Unful Part two two episodes Nice Part one, Part
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  Speaker 3: Want Part two.
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  Speaker 5: Baby Dos Amigos is a production from WV Sound and
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  Speaker 5: and Wilmer Valdorama.
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  Speaker 3: Those Amigos is produced by Aaron Burlson and Sophie Spencer Zabos.
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  Speaker 5: Our executive producers are Wilmer Valdorama, Freddie Rodriguez, Aaron Burlson,
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  Speaker 5: and Leo Klem at WV Sound.
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  Speaker 3: This episode was shot and edited by Ryan Posts and
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  Speaker 3: mixed by Sean Tracy and features original music by Madison
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  Speaker 3: Devenport and Halo Boy Our cover.
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  Speaker 5: Our photography is by David Avalos and designed by Deny Holt.
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  Speaker 2: And thank you for being there third Amigo today. I
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