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The Late Debate | 17 June · The Late Debate

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  Speaker 1: Late.
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  Speaker 2: Wait, general, welcome to the Lighter Base.
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  Speaker 1: Well, thanks for your company.
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  Speaker 3: I'm James macpherson with Liz Storer and Caleb Bond coming
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  Speaker 3: up tonight. The US President literally freezes on stage and
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  Speaker 3: has to be chaperoned by Barack Obama. Some would argue
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  Speaker 3: that's what's been happening for the last few years.
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  Speaker 2: Plus.
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  Speaker 3: When we get to the papers, the CFMAU grants its
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  Speaker 3: members of twenty one percent pay rise, and the Herald
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  Speaker 3: Sun reports how Victorian police will be given brand new
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  Speaker 3: powers in a bid to fight knife crime.
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  Speaker 1: But before we get to all of that, a.
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  Speaker 3: American tech company, one of the fastest tech companies in
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  Speaker 3: the world, has just made headlines by admitting they're not
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  Speaker 3: hiring staff based on diversity, equity and inclusion. The company
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  Speaker 3: instead is hiring people based on wait for it, they're intelligence.
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  Speaker 3: The CEO of Scale Ai says it instead of hiring
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  Speaker 3: people for their color or their second orientation, they're instead
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  Speaker 3: hiring people for their ability to do the job, which
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  Speaker 3: may explain why in just eight years the company has
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  Speaker 3: gone on to become worth fourteen billion dollars. The CEO
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  Speaker 3: of the company, Alexander Wang, wrote on Twitter, we've formalized
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  Speaker 3: an important hiring policy at scale. We hire for MEI merit,
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  Speaker 3: excellence and intelligence. That means we hire only the best
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  Speaker 3: people to do the job. We seek out and demand excellence,
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  Speaker 3: and we unapologetically prefer people who are smart. Upholding meritocracy
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  Speaker 3: is good for business and it's the right thing to do.
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  Speaker 3: Calebn is we've seen a real push for DEI after,
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  Speaker 3: of course, the death of George Floyd and then companies
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  Speaker 3: were encouraged to address historical wrongs against women and the
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  Speaker 3: LGBTQ members and people of color by seeking to employ them.
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  Speaker 3: But over the past four years, companies have realized it's
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  Speaker 3: not good for production, poisonous to corporate culture.
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  Speaker 1: And it's bad for everybody.
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  Speaker 3: It puts qualified people out of jobs they should be doing,
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  Speaker 3: and it puts unqualified people into jobs they have no
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  Speaker 3: place to be doing, like Claudine Gay from Harvard University
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  Speaker 3: or Kamala Harris, to name another, as the US vice president.
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  Speaker 3: Are you surprised, Liz, that someone's actually decided to employ
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  Speaker 3: people based.
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  Speaker 4: On no People are getting back to business, and the
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  Speaker 4: business of business is to make money. So I'm sure
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  Speaker 4: any shareholders in a place that upholds the DEI principles
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  Speaker 4: are noticing we keep missing out the reason why guys
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  Speaker 4: like Elon Mask can buy Twitter fire eighty percent of
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  Speaker 4: the workforce. He used to have eight thousand employees. Once
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  Speaker 4: he was done culling, it was just fifteen hundred. That
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  Speaker 4: behemoth now runs off just fifteen hundred people. And he
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  Speaker 4: was able to do so because he kept the smartest,
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  Speaker 4: the slickest, the most hardest working. It was a mirror
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  Speaker 4: base selection process. And I think more and more people
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  Speaker 4: are waking up to the fact that, hey, even if
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  Speaker 4: it's just in terms of cutting the fat, in comparing
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  Speaker 4: the number of employees we have to the ones that
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  Speaker 4: we need.
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  Speaker 5: In order to run our ship smoothly.
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  Speaker 4: So thank goodness, because we all know if you do
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  Speaker 4: away with the hierarchy of competence, you just get chaos.
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  Speaker 4: And that is what we are seeing breaking out in
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  Speaker 4: these corporates, whether it's little ways or large And we
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  Speaker 4: saw this the it would have been last week alone
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  Speaker 4: with bud Light, with Target, with these companies that took
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  Speaker 4: up these massive woke campaigns cost their shareholders dearly. I
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  Speaker 4: bet those guys aren't so passionate about DEI hiring in
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  Speaker 4: the workplace anymore. Your job is to make us money.
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  Speaker 4: Get back to base.
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  Speaker 3: I've got to disagree with you on the Twitter thing, though,
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  Speaker 3: because if Elon Musk had not got rid of all
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  Speaker 3: those stuff, we would be free of our e Safety Commission.
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  Speaker 1: So you figure that that's what she used to work for.
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  Speaker 6: She was I'm sure, I'm pretty sure she was floating
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  Speaker 6: around the service four. Elon Musk got got to Twitter
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  Speaker 6: and look, may I open by saying it's nice to
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  Speaker 6: have you back on the late debate, James, and you
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  Speaker 6: are proof that it is. You are still useful as
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  Speaker 6: a member of the workforce, tod aff at the age
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  Speaker 6: of fifty, So maybe maybe you qualify to DEI measures.
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  Speaker 3: And I was thinking of a birthday cake on Wednesday
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  Speaker 3: for your birthday.
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  Speaker 6: It now short Sky News is going to buil that
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  Speaker 6: for all its worth in terms of subsidies that we
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  Speaker 6: may be able to get through.
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  Speaker 5: This is what I told me.
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  Speaker 4: Caleb said how much he'd enjoyed hosting, and he wished
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  Speaker 4: you weren't coming here.
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  Speaker 6: We don't listen, don't believe a word list is She
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  Speaker 6: is full of garbage as usual, But isn't it extraordinary
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  Speaker 6: that here we are opening a television program in twenty
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  Speaker 6: twenty four with a story about some checks notes a
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  Speaker 6: person who is hiring.
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  Speaker 2: The best person for the job.
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  Speaker 6: What does that tell you about and where we have
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  Speaker 6: come to that It is literally a story when a
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  Speaker 6: guy says, yeah, I'm going to hire the best person
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  Speaker 6: for the job, apologetically prefer people who are very smart.
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  Speaker 2: That's a news story.
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  Speaker 6: Now, what does that tell you about where we've come to?
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  Speaker 6: And it was only a matter of time before this
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  Speaker 6: was going to happen because if you look, and it's
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  Speaker 6: not only employers who are obviously starting to reap the
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  Speaker 6: consequences of what they have sown, but it's also all
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  Speaker 6: the people who have to work with these people who
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  Speaker 6: are not appointed on merit, who sit around tapping away
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  Speaker 6: or whatever their job might be and actually getting the
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  Speaker 6: work done. And then they look around them and they've
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  Speaker 6: got people there who have been hired on the basis
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  Speaker 6: of the fact that they're filling a quota and going,
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  Speaker 6: hang on, I have to make up for the extra
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  Speaker 6: slack that they leave behind. What DEI does is not
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  Speaker 6: actually promote excellence in the workplace, So it doesn't actually
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  Speaker 6: make anyone who is promoted to a job through those
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  Speaker 6: means of a quota, be they female, black, gay, whatever
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  Speaker 6: you want to pull out of the grab bag doesn't
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  Speaker 6: do anything. They help their cause because it makes everyone
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  Speaker 6: else go, why the hell did you hire this bag?
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  Speaker 6: And they're not doing the work. People want to work
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  Speaker 6: with other people who also want to work. And what
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  Speaker 6: you've had is a blowback now not only from the
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  Speaker 6: employees but the workers because they can see it and
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  Speaker 6: feel it every day as well.
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  Speaker 5: And they've got no reason to excel.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, how frustrating is that when you know it
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  Speaker 4: doesn't matter if I'm the best in the department, I'm
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  Speaker 4: not going to get that promotion because I'm a guy
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  Speaker 4: or I'm.
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  Speaker 5: A fill in the blank. This is how they got
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  Speaker 5: the infamous joke of the USSR. They pretend to pay us,
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  Speaker 5: we pretend to work.
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  Speaker 4: No one's trying to excel, no one's trying to get ahead,
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  Speaker 4: because they all knew there is a certain system we're
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  Speaker 4: operating within here and it doesn't reward the hardest work.
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  Speaker 3: And this was entirely predictable because long before anyone sort
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  Speaker 3: of DEI, you'd hear guys on work sites talk about
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  Speaker 3: the fact they've got a new guy on the work
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  Speaker 3: site and he's working too fast, and so he told
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  Speaker 3: him we're going to carry less bricks, slow down. So
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  Speaker 3: that's human nature, right, and so the DEI thing was
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  Speaker 3: entirely predictable that it was not going to be good
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  Speaker 3: for productivity or for business. Fortunately, corporate starting to work
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  Speaker 3: it out, you've got to go back to meritocracy. About
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  Speaker 3: ten years from now, hopefully our politicians will work out
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  Speaker 3: that our political parties would be best served by appointing
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  Speaker 3: the best people rather than having quotas for political parties.
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  Speaker 1: Then we'll get a better country.
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  Speaker 6: I just wonder how fast you can actually unwind it, though,
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  Speaker 6: because when these policies, I mean these policies have been
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  Speaker 6: pushed for the better part of ten years now, and
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  Speaker 6: particularly you look at things like politics, quotas for women, etc.
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  Speaker 6: So if the employers decide that they're now going to
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  Speaker 6: go away from DEI and they do want to go
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  Speaker 6: back to actually just hiring the best person for the job,
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  Speaker 6: all these people who thought they were guaranteed jobs just
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  Speaker 6: on the basis of some attribute that really had nothing
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  Speaker 6: to do with doing their job, they're going to start
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  Speaker 6: to squeal and the noise will be absolutely deafening. So
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  Speaker 6: and again it's the businesses have kind of downe it
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  Speaker 6: to themselves, right because they promise something that they're now
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  Speaker 6: going to reneg on. But I reckon the noise that's
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  Speaker 6: going to come out of that's going to be extreme, Like,
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  Speaker 6: how are we going to deal with that?
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  Speaker 4: Oh, the accusations of races, the accusations of biggotedness?
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  Speaker 5: Is that a word? It is?
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  Speaker 7: Now?
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  Speaker 4: But then God, it's an AI cego who's taking merit
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  Speaker 4: very seriously because we know AI is the way of
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  Speaker 4: the future, whether we like it or not.
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  Speaker 5: The horse has bolted.
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  Speaker 4: So it was with great interest we read today in
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  Speaker 4: our headlines that open AI, which we were talking about
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  Speaker 4: just last week because quite a few whistleblowers left the
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  Speaker 4: company saying, look, we can't go into detail, but what's
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  Speaker 4: happening there is dangerous and we want no part of it. Well,
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  Speaker 4: in an effort to reassure the community, Open AI has
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  Speaker 4: appointed a former ns A director.
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  Speaker 5: To their board.
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  Speaker 4: Who finds this reassuring not me. The National Security Agency
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  Speaker 4: is the biggest and most secretive surveillance organization in America.
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  Speaker 4: What does that tell you? Well, the former director, his
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  Speaker 4: name is Paul Nakasoni. He comes out with this lovely epithet,
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  Speaker 4: saying how glad he is to be joining the team.
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  Speaker 4: He simply says, open Ai occupies a unique role facing
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  Speaker 4: cyber threats while pioneering transformative technology that could revolutionize how
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  Speaker 4: institutions can bat them.
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  Speaker 5: I am looking.
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  Speaker 4: Forward to supporting the company in safeguarding its innovations, will
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  Speaker 4: leveraging them to benefit society at large.
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  Speaker 5: Well, mate, we all.
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  Speaker 4: Know how the NSA benefits society at large. On the
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  Speaker 4: same day that disappointment was announced, Edward Snowden tweeted this.
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  Speaker 5: He said, they've gone full mask off.
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  Speaker 4: Do not ever trust open ai or its products, Chat, GPT, etc.
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  Speaker 4: There is only one reason for pointing an s NSA
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  Speaker 4: government government director.
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  Speaker 5: To your board.
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  Speaker 4: This is a willful, calculated betrayal of the rights of every.
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  Speaker 5: Person on earth. You have been warned.
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  Speaker 2: Now.
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  Speaker 4: You would remember Edward Snowden because he is the man
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  Speaker 4: responsible for the biggest intelligence leak in NSA history. Over
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  Speaker 4: ten years ago. He laid bare the fact that these
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  Speaker 4: guys were spying on Americans conversations, their emails, their texts,
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  Speaker 4: their actual phone conversations, that they had these clandestine deals
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  Speaker 4: with every platform you can name on the interwebs, giving
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  Speaker 4: them unprecedented access to communications on their platforms, and perhaps
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  Speaker 4: most harrowingly, he told everyone about this quantum computer that
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  Speaker 4: the NSSA were in a race to build, which would
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  Speaker 4: give it the capability to crack even the most sophisticated codes,
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  Speaker 4: whether that's banking details, whether that's access to people's medical records.
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  Speaker 4: This thing that they were trying to build over ten
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  Speaker 4: years ago, you wonder where it's at now. He was
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  Speaker 4: extremely concerned about so he resked his life and limb
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  Speaker 4: to lay this bear to the entire world to let
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  Speaker 4: people know this is what the NSSA is really up to,
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  Speaker 4: and it was completely illegal.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, there's no argument about that.
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  Speaker 4: What they were doing, the data that they were gathering illegally.
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  Speaker 4: And now we have the former director of that same
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  Speaker 4: agency now working for open AI, just days after they've
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  Speaker 4: had disgruntled employees leaving, saying this is dat dress, almost
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  Speaker 4: in Edward Snowden fashion, this is dangerous.
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  Speaker 5: We're leaving, we want no part of it.
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  Speaker 3: You could dismiss it as just one of those things,
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  Speaker 3: but you've got FBI, CIA and NSA former staff members
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  Speaker 3: entrenched at Twitter Google at Facebook, we saw during the
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  Speaker 3: Hunter Biden laptop fiasco how the Secret Services pressured social
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  Speaker 3: media companies to either suppress information or delete accounts, not
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  Speaker 3: allow things.
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  Speaker 1: To be shared.
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  Speaker 3: So you've got all of these former Secret Service people
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  Speaker 3: now embedded in social media companies. It's hard not to
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  Speaker 3: think more is going on than just a few people
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  Speaker 3: have found themselves a nice cushy job after serving the
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  Speaker 3: government in secret service.
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  Speaker 2: True and look to be perfectly honest.
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  Speaker 6: If you are running any of those companies, I can
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  Speaker 6: totally understand why you would hire someone from MIT inside
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  Speaker 6: because the knowledge they would bring you is probably worth
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  Speaker 6: every cent you are paying them, not as.
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  Speaker 5: Much as the knowledge that they're taking.
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  Speaker 6: But as to the point of whether the mass is
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  Speaker 6: coming off, I don't think the mask is coming off.
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  Speaker 6: The mask's been off forever. I mean, we all kind
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  Speaker 6: of know that these companies are just milking us for
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  Speaker 6: all we're worth. Right, and Meta with its AI system
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  Speaker 6: as of the end of the month, will compulsorily take
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  Speaker 6: from every person who uses its services. In Australia, there's
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  Speaker 6: no opt out clause, So that's Facebook, Instagram, et cetera
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  Speaker 6: years and year's worth of content that you've posted photos, words,
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  Speaker 6: and whatever, and feed that into its AI bot to
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  Speaker 6: try and train it to be, you know, talk to
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  Speaker 6: people in a human fashion, et cetera, ceter So for years,
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  Speaker 6: you've been handing over stuff that you know, you just
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  Speaker 6: thought you were posting on Facebook or you were posting
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  Speaker 6: on Instagram, and we all kind of knew that they
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  Speaker 6: had algorithms and they were using content that we posted
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  Speaker 6: to then target us with content that they thought we
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  Speaker 6: would want more of, because their objective is to keep
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  Speaker 6: us on their platform for as long as possible. But
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  Speaker 6: it's essentially been a decades long project where they've collected
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  Speaker 6: did all of this data that we knew was being
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  Speaker 6: used in some way but not in the same way
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  Speaker 6: as AI, and all of a sudden, it's going to
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  Speaker 6: be feed into an AI bot. And as I've said
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  Speaker 6: many times, and Sam Crosby said on the Sunday Showdown
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  Speaker 6: last night, if the product is free, you are the product.
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  Speaker 6: And that's exactly where we're at. It's no surprise that
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  Speaker 6: a company like open ai would be getting people on
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  Speaker 6: board who understand security intelligence. They want to milk us
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  Speaker 6: for everything we are worth, and that's exactly what they're doing.
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  Speaker 6: And the scariest bit is that the only way to
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  Speaker 6: not give them that data now is essentially not engaged
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  Speaker 6: with their products at all.
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  Speaker 2: And in the modern world, that's very difficult to do.
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  Speaker 6: Like we're saying, you've got to get off Facebook, you've
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  Speaker 6: got to get off Instagram, you got to get off everything.
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  Speaker 6: You can't use AI and these things are just part
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  Speaker 6: and parcel of modern life. We're saying, you've got to
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  Speaker 6: go back to the Stone Age if you don't essentially
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  Speaker 6: want to have every little sceric of your being stolen
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  Speaker 6: from you. So what do we meant to do consumers
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  Speaker 6: in that world?
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  Speaker 3: I mean Elon Musk pointed this out the other week,
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  Speaker 3: didn't he Where he said he would ban his one
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  Speaker 3: hundred thousand employees from bringing an iPhone onto the site.
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  Speaker 3: Now that iPhone or Apple rather combining with open ai.
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  Speaker 3: And so Elon Musk has and this is before we've
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  Speaker 3: talked about former NSA officials working for open Ai.
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  Speaker 1: So add that to the mix.
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  Speaker 4: But just take your real mission at this point, Like serious.
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  Speaker 3: Musk was on the board at AI, at open ai
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  Speaker 3: when it first started. So he's pointing out the problems
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  Speaker 3: and the dangers with this so when Elon Musk is
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  Speaker 3: raising the alarm, it's something people should.
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  Speaker 6: And he was one of many who a year ago
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  Speaker 6: put out early adopters and a part of the AI
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  Speaker 6: world who said that we actually really need to talk
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  Speaker 6: about the seriousness of where this is going. I mean,
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  Speaker 6: be even sake, this is a blow who wants to
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  Speaker 6: put chips in people's brains that are linked up to AI,
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  Speaker 6: and even he acknowledges that there are dangers in this system.
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  Speaker 6: Let's come home now and go down to Hobart where
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  Speaker 6: the Hobart City councilor Louise Eliot, who you can watch
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  Speaker 6: most weeks on The Bolt Report, has managed to extract
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  Speaker 6: an apology from the Hobart City Council after they denied
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  Speaker 6: her the opportunity to rent a hall from them to
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  Speaker 6: host a pro women event.
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  Speaker 2: Now you might be.
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  Speaker 6: Aware that Louise Elliot has been pursued by her own
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  Speaker 6: counsel many times for comments that she has made around transgenderism, etc.
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  Speaker 6: Stuff she said on social media. She's been counseled by
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  Speaker 6: the council pardon the pun. Other counselors have complained about it.
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  Speaker 4: Well.
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  Speaker 6: She went off to try and hire a hall for
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  Speaker 6: this event in her capacity as a private citizen. She
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  Speaker 6: didn't try to use throw her weight around as a
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  Speaker 6: counselor to say you must give this to me. And
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  Speaker 6: they denied her the opportunity to hire the hall on
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  Speaker 6: the basis of what the event would be. And all
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  Speaker 6: of this came out in an FOI request. Well, actually
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  Speaker 6: part of it was denied in the FOI request, but
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  Speaker 6: someone had sent a complaint. A transgender activists had sent
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  Speaker 6: a complaint to the Lord Mayor of Hobart saying they
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  Speaker 6: were worried about the event, and the Lord Mayor then
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  Speaker 6: sent a message back to this activist and said, don't worry,
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  Speaker 6: we've canceled the event on the basis of what it was.
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  Speaker 6: So it all started to come out, even though they
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  Speaker 6: had redacted it from FOI requests, that the only reason
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  Speaker 6: it couldn't be held is because the council didn't like
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  Speaker 6: the political views. Luise Elliott responded after the council apologized
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  Speaker 6: and by the way, reportedly had to give her some compensation,
• 17:32
  Speaker 6: she said, you can have all the diversity plans, flags
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  Speaker 6: and photo opportunities you like, but they're worthless show voting
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  Speaker 6: if words and actions don't align what happened to me
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  Speaker 6: proved that the HCC, that's the Hobart City Council's talk
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  Speaker 6: of being inclusive and welcoming is selective and you can
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  Speaker 6: imagine all of this has taken a toll on her.
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  Speaker 6: She said on X the Hobart City Council's discrimination towards
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  Speaker 6: me has finally been resolved. The depth of the lying
• 17:59
  Speaker 6: scheming as lanting, privacy breaches and frustration of processes has
• 18:04
  Speaker 6: been astounding. I mean, seriously, when you have counsels in
• 18:08
  Speaker 6: this country taking the fight up against their own counselors
• 18:12
  Speaker 6: because they want to hire a hall to have a
• 18:14
  Speaker 6: pro women event, it tells you how far we've falled.
• 18:17
  Speaker 3: And it was quite malicious because whoever it was in
• 18:20
  Speaker 3: council that saw the booking then notified a transactivist in
• 18:25
  Speaker 3: Hobart that Louise Elliot has made a booking and encouraged
• 18:28
  Speaker 3: this activist to protest back to the council. And when
• 18:32
  Speaker 3: Louise Elliott talks there on X about having been gas lit,
• 18:36
  Speaker 3: I mean she has been absolutely slammed by her own
• 18:39
  Speaker 3: counsel as anti trans, as a bigot, and by the way,
• 18:43
  Speaker 3: she's not anti trans, she's pro women's rights, and that's
• 18:46
  Speaker 3: all she's ever tried to do is to stand up
• 18:48
  Speaker 3: for the rights of women to play against women in
• 18:51
  Speaker 3: sport and have their own spaces that are reserved for women.
• 18:55
  Speaker 3: And for that she's been pillared from, you know.
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: Pulled from pillar to post.
• 19:00
  Speaker 3: So at a post that's the expression I was looking for,
• 19:02
  Speaker 3: and as you said, had to undergo counseling sessions to
• 19:05
  Speaker 3: realign her thinking with.
• 19:07
  Speaker 2: The altercation, education.
• 19:10
  Speaker 4: Re education. How much did the rate payers pay for that?
• 19:14
  Speaker 4: I mean it says a lot when anything pro women
• 19:18
  Speaker 4: is now automatically seen as anti trans and right, the
• 19:23
  Speaker 4: automatically up the nose of those people and they feel
• 19:26
  Speaker 4: like they've got a right.
• 19:27
  Speaker 5: To tear it down.
• 19:28
  Speaker 4: You never see these at pro men events. It's always
• 19:32
  Speaker 4: the women's space is under attack. It's the women's sports
• 19:35
  Speaker 4: under attack. All the men want in on our stuff.
• 19:39
  Speaker 4: It is absolutely infuriating. I'm so glad that she's won
• 19:42
  Speaker 4: this round because we need to see more of this.
• 19:45
  Speaker 4: And like she says, oh, Hobart.
• 19:48
  Speaker 5: You're so inclusive, you're so diverse.
• 19:50
  Speaker 4: I mean, the Biscuit of Australia is one of the most.
• 19:53
  Speaker 5: Left leaning places in the nation.
• 19:56
  Speaker 4: Thank goodness, there are a little bit of a water
• 19:58
  Speaker 4: ways away. But here she goes when it came to
• 20:02
  Speaker 4: actually being pro women, I copped it and I've had
• 20:05
  Speaker 4: to put up with the gas lighting, the lying, the scheming.
• 20:09
  Speaker 4: Props to her for even staying on the council, She's
• 20:12
  Speaker 4: still got to work with these people.
• 20:13
  Speaker 6: You know.
• 20:13
  Speaker 3: The question it raises is how many other people who
• 20:16
  Speaker 3: have conservative ideas have been blocked from hiring council facilities.
• 20:21
  Speaker 3: Because Louise Elliott, as an insider, fought this thing, went
• 20:25
  Speaker 3: to the Anti Discrimination Commission, had to wherewithal to know
• 20:28
  Speaker 3: how to handle things and how to do things. How
• 20:30
  Speaker 3: many other people without that background got denied the opportunity
• 20:34
  Speaker 3: to hire a hall and just said, oh, well, I
• 20:35
  Speaker 3: guess it's busy, when in fact it may not have
• 20:37
  Speaker 3: been busy. It was just someone at council who didn't
• 20:40
  Speaker 3: like their politics and decided, well we won't have you.
• 20:42
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: Correct.
• 20:43
  Speaker 6: And that's the pernicious nature of all of this is that,
• 20:46
  Speaker 6: you know, it's one thing to see protests, right, and
• 20:49
  Speaker 6: you've seen, particularly in Victoria, when they've tried to hold
• 20:53
  Speaker 6: pro women rallies on the steps of Parliament House, that
• 20:56
  Speaker 6: you then get the transgender mob rocks up with a
• 20:59
  Speaker 6: counter protest.
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: The aggresses are never.
• 21:02
  Speaker 6: The people who were there saying, you know, we care
• 21:04
  Speaker 6: about women's sport and women's spaces. It's always the pro
• 21:08
  Speaker 6: transgender mob that rocks up and is willing for a fight.
• 21:11
  Speaker 6: They want the fighting is about them.
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: Correct, correct, everything.
• 21:17
  Speaker 6: That's one thing, because that's very public. What is happening
• 21:21
  Speaker 6: here or what happened here? If it were for someone
• 21:24
  Speaker 6: like Louisianad actually finding out what was going on and
• 21:26
  Speaker 6: taking it on, no one would have had any idea
• 21:29
  Speaker 6: what it actually happened. And that's the worst part of
• 21:32
  Speaker 6: it all is that not only is the agenda being
• 21:34
  Speaker 6: run in public, the agenda is being run in private.
• 21:37
  Speaker 6: And like you say, how many other examples of it
• 21:40
  Speaker 6: might there be? And you wonder if it's happening in
• 21:42
  Speaker 6: Hobart City Council, you know, on what other levels of
• 21:45
  Speaker 6: government might this be happening. Could these decisions be made
• 21:48
  Speaker 6: not only at Hobart City Council but other councils around
• 21:51
  Speaker 6: the country. Could it be made about pieces of property
• 21:55
  Speaker 6: that are owned by state governments, for instance, or federal
• 21:57
  Speaker 6: governments or whatever? Are they secret? Making these decisions. Are
• 22:01
  Speaker 6: their policies or whatever the hind closed doors that they're
• 22:04
  Speaker 6: using to assess who can and cannot hire these places
• 22:07
  Speaker 6: on the basis of what.
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: They want to have the event for.
• 22:10
  Speaker 6: Like, you know, if you said I don't want to
• 22:12
  Speaker 6: neo Nazi rally there, I think we'd all agree with that.
• 22:15
  Speaker 6: But someone says, Okay, I want to have an event
• 22:18
  Speaker 6: talking about how great women are protecting women's spaces, and
• 22:21
  Speaker 6: that's the sort of thing that we don't allow. I
• 22:24
  Speaker 6: would be surprised if that's the only one on the list,
• 22:26
  Speaker 6: and that if Hobart's City Council was the only place
• 22:28
  Speaker 6: that's doing it.
• 22:29
  Speaker 4: Indeed, And if you think that's bad, check out this
• 22:32
  Speaker 4: council in La another council countwing Julie LGBTIQ lobby.
• 22:39
  Speaker 5: Check this out. I bet you did not know this
• 22:41
  Speaker 5: before tonight.
• 22:43
  Speaker 4: You turn signs are anti LGBTIQ.
• 22:48
  Speaker 5: Check it out.
• 22:49
  Speaker 7: Eli's city council members you Go, Soda Martinez and Nathia
• 22:53
  Speaker 7: Rahman were on hand today to help remove the signs
• 22:56
  Speaker 7: they see. The no cruising and no U turn signs
• 22:59
  Speaker 7: were put up in the nineteen nineties to prevent people
• 23:01
  Speaker 7: in the gay community from meeting up with other gay people, or.
• 23:07
  Speaker 4: Maybe there's just a sign saying no U turn because
• 23:09
  Speaker 4: you can't chuck a U turn there.
• 23:11
  Speaker 5: I mean, this is radical news to me. But here's
• 23:15
  Speaker 5: one of the council people, nith.
• 23:17
  Speaker 4: Ya Yaman, saying that these signs are indeed homophobic.
• 23:23
  Speaker 5: Los Angeles has a rich history of.
• 23:25
  Speaker 4: Welcoming the LGBTIQA plus community, but there has also been
• 23:29
  Speaker 4: real and present homophobia, which at times has been inscribed
• 23:33
  Speaker 4: into the city's physical spaces, as.
• 23:36
  Speaker 5: With these no U turn signs. Someone helped me out here.
• 23:41
  Speaker 5: I am so confused.
• 23:42
  Speaker 4: We just talked about the facts that there is nothing
• 23:45
  Speaker 4: you can do that certain people won't make about themselves,
• 23:49
  Speaker 4: and now we have U turn signs.
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: That there's a story signs.
• 23:53
  Speaker 3: Back in the nineteen nineties in Silver Lake in Los Angeles,
• 23:56
  Speaker 3: there was a certain area where gay people would go
• 23:59
  Speaker 3: to hook up, and it was a residential area, and
• 24:01
  Speaker 3: people got sick of people cruising the streets looking for
• 24:05
  Speaker 3: a hookup, so the council put up signs saying no cruising.
• 24:09
  Speaker 3: In other words, when you drove through that area, you
• 24:11
  Speaker 3: had to drive through, keep on going. And I'll let
• 24:13
  Speaker 3: to turn around and come back and go up and
• 24:16
  Speaker 3: down the street looking for someone that was attractive to
• 24:18
  Speaker 3: you so that you could meet up with them for
• 24:21
  Speaker 3: purposes other than just saying hello. And so that was
• 24:24
  Speaker 3: in the nineteen nineties and since then, you know, that's
• 24:27
  Speaker 3: all ancient history. But someone was doing a podcast talking
• 24:30
  Speaker 3: about the history of the area and they mentioned on
• 24:33
  Speaker 3: the podcast that what I've just described was going on
• 24:36
  Speaker 3: in the nineties.
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: Well, all of a sudden, the LGBT sign. They did
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: an order area.
• 24:42
  Speaker 3: And they found that there were eight signs that remained
• 24:45
  Speaker 3: from the nineteen nineties that were originally put there to
• 24:47
  Speaker 3: stop people cruising. The signs were not anti LGBTQ. They
• 24:51
  Speaker 3: were anti public sex and prostitution.
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: That's what they were. Because it has been built as
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: a win for the lgbt.
• 24:58
  Speaker 6: So surely two things could be true at once. It
• 25:00
  Speaker 6: can be entirely true that the signs are of very
• 25:02
  Speaker 6: little use now because those areas are no longer being
• 25:05
  Speaker 6: used as gay beats.
• 25:08
  Speaker 4: Only the eight that remain, maybe they are the eight
• 25:11
  Speaker 4: that are genuinely just.
• 25:12
  Speaker 6: Know you they could be. But it's also true that
• 25:15
  Speaker 6: they're not homophobic, because it was simply about the fact
• 25:19
  Speaker 6: that there were lots of people gathering in those areas
• 25:22
  Speaker 6: that night. Now, if someone decided that they were going
• 25:25
  Speaker 6: to have a knitting club on the front of my
• 25:27
  Speaker 6: street between midnight and six am every day, and people
• 25:30
  Speaker 6: were going to come down doing laps seeing if they
• 25:33
  Speaker 6: could buy a knitted beanie from grannies, I'd be pretty
• 25:36
  Speaker 6: you know it about that, because they'd been keeping me
• 25:38
  Speaker 6: up all night. I don't care whether it's a knitting
• 25:41
  Speaker 6: club or they're gay, or it's a drug run.
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: If you've got people.
• 25:45
  Speaker 6: Gathering on a residential street every night doing lapse between
• 25:49
  Speaker 6: midnight and six a and of course you're going to
• 25:51
  Speaker 6: go to the council and have a sign put up
• 25:53
  Speaker 6: to say don't come here. It's got nothing to do
• 25:55
  Speaker 6: with the fact they're gay.
• 25:56
  Speaker 3: You know, it's crazy gay. It always does. I've read
• 26:00
  Speaker 3: about this story in the LA time. So I'm reading
• 26:02
  Speaker 3: the article blah blah blah. And then you know, when
• 26:04
  Speaker 3: you get to the end of a newspaper article and
• 26:05
  Speaker 3: sometimes it has a photo of the journalist and it says,
• 26:08
  Speaker 3: you know, Caleb bond Sky News. At the end of
• 26:10
  Speaker 3: the article, it's got the name of the journalist and
• 26:12
  Speaker 3: it's got they them queer Asian American writer. This isn't
• 26:16
  Speaker 3: a special writer. This is just the local journalists. So
• 26:19
  Speaker 3: in Los Angeles this is a.
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: Very big deal.
• 26:22
  Speaker 3: It's not just street signs. Everybody, absolutely everybody. I don't
• 26:27
  Speaker 3: know if you guys have had this phenomena recently, but
• 26:30
  Speaker 3: I've had this a lot lately.
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: You turn signs in the street, well, it's to do.
• 26:33
  Speaker 3: With driving, but not for knitted beanies. When you're driving
• 26:36
  Speaker 3: through the streets, you stop an intersection and there will
• 26:38
  Speaker 3: be a car in front of me and I'm looking
• 26:39
  Speaker 3: at them, thinking it's not a Mazda, it's not a Toyota,
• 26:42
  Speaker 3: it's not a Ford.
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: And I've actually said to my kids, what is that car?
• 26:45
  Speaker 3: Because there are so many Chinese vehicles now with the
• 26:50
  Speaker 3: prevalence of electric vehicles BYD. I'd never heard of BYD,
• 26:55
  Speaker 3: but it's now the biggest selling electric vehicle in the world.
• 26:58
  Speaker 3: It's just overtaken Tesla. And of course even with Tesla's
• 27:02
  Speaker 3: now eighty percent of electric vehicles are manufactured in China.
• 27:06
  Speaker 3: Steve Price recently spoke on Sky News to Paul Grover.
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: He's a journalistic car expert.
• 27:11
  Speaker 3: He explained just how many Chinese brand electric vehicles will
• 27:14
  Speaker 3: be in our roads over the next ten years.
• 27:17
  Speaker 8: Have listened by Mike Cout There'll be five or six
• 27:21
  Speaker 8: extra new Chinese brands on Australian soil selling here before
• 27:26
  Speaker 8: the end of the year. And I've got a long
• 27:28
  Speaker 8: term forecast from Maide of mine who's worked for a
• 27:30
  Speaker 8: long time as an import.
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: He said there.
• 27:32
  Speaker 8: Could be forty or fifty Chinese brands here by the
• 27:36
  Speaker 8: turn of the decade.
• 27:38
  Speaker 3: So forty or fifty brand new Chinese brands of EV's
• 27:42
  Speaker 3: by the end of the decade.
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: Have a look at this graph.
• 27:45
  Speaker 3: It shows you just what or how much of the
• 27:47
  Speaker 3: market the Chinese now have in electric vehicles. In twenty
• 27:51
  Speaker 3: twenty four, fifteen million evs sold, ten million of those
• 27:56
  Speaker 3: were Chinese brands. Now, you don't really care where your
• 27:59
  Speaker 3: car is manu factored. But there are some specific concerns
• 28:02
  Speaker 3: about the fact so many evs are made in China.
• 28:05
  Speaker 3: Number One, safety tends to be an issue because, as
• 28:08
  Speaker 3: we know, a lot of goods made in China are
• 28:10
  Speaker 3: made very quickly, they're made very cheaply, so safety is
• 28:13
  Speaker 3: a problem.
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: On top of that, you've.
• 28:15
  Speaker 3: Got security issues because of course evs are really just
• 28:20
  Speaker 3: computers on wheels. Now you've talked about data. I mean
• 28:23
  Speaker 3: they're collecting constant data. There's individual privacy and so there's
• 28:28
  Speaker 3: all of these issues. Now, is it a good thing
• 28:31
  Speaker 3: that so many of our vehicles are coming from China
• 28:34
  Speaker 3: when there are such concerns?
• 28:36
  Speaker 6: If you had told me when I was a child,
• 28:38
  Speaker 6: let alone when you were a child, that by the
• 28:40
  Speaker 6: time I was in my twenties we'd be getting around
• 28:43
  Speaker 6: in Chinese cars, I would have told you you were
• 28:46
  Speaker 6: an idiot.
• 28:46
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: It was, you know, Fording Holden and V eights and
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: how goods all of this.
• 28:51
  Speaker 6: Now we're going to get around in Chinese electric vehicles.
• 28:54
  Speaker 6: Now there's all the concerns about safety and where your
• 28:57
  Speaker 6: data goes, etc. We've also got to consider that with
• 29:00
  Speaker 6: the proliferation of Chinese vehicles, and of course we've got
• 29:03
  Speaker 6: the Chinese premiere in the country at the moment, that
• 29:06
  Speaker 6: what China has done has noticed that there is a
• 29:09
  Speaker 6: hole in the market, right because evs at the moment
• 29:12
  Speaker 6: are hideously expensive in most cases, and so if you
• 29:15
  Speaker 6: want to enter the market, you're not willing to pay
• 29:17
  Speaker 6: for the tesli. You're not willing to pay for the
• 29:19
  Speaker 6: Persia or the Porsche or whatever it might be. So
• 29:21
  Speaker 6: you've got to come up with something that fits that
• 29:24
  Speaker 6: middle to working class market. And China has just rushed
• 29:27
  Speaker 6: in there before anyone else because of course they can
• 29:30
  Speaker 6: produce things cheaply in their country.
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: Very smart of them to do so.
• 29:34
  Speaker 6: But once we start buying all of our vehicles from China,
• 29:37
  Speaker 6: it of course just boosts Chinese superpower as an economic superpower,
• 29:42
  Speaker 6: and then I don't know, what, do they just become
• 29:44
  Speaker 6: the entire car manufacturing.
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: Hub of the world.
• 29:48
  Speaker 6: I mean a lot of the teslas that come to
• 29:49
  Speaker 6: Australia are already manufactured in China and they're expensive. Now
• 29:54
  Speaker 6: we're talking about these cheaper Chinese ones. And of course
• 29:57
  Speaker 6: all these vehicles, electric vehicles that are being made in China.
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: What do they have over there that powers their industry.
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: I'll let me think, Well, that's.
• 30:06
  Speaker 6: Right, Australian coal. So all this stuff that we dig
• 30:10
  Speaker 6: up out of the ground, be it metals or fossil
• 30:13
  Speaker 6: fuels or whatever, that we are selling to China because
• 30:16
  Speaker 6: we weren't burned here is what they are using over
• 30:19
  Speaker 6: there to create rampant, cheap industry that creates these vehicles
• 30:24
  Speaker 6: that they eventually sell back to us, because we believe
• 30:28
  Speaker 6: that that's then good for the environment, because we plug
• 30:31
  Speaker 6: them into the wall and fill them up with power
• 30:33
  Speaker 6: that comes from brown coal that have been burnt and
• 30:35
  Speaker 6: a rearing Wow, haven't we done ourselves?
• 30:39
  Speaker 4: Feel warm and fuzzy having absolutely shot ourselves in the
• 30:44
  Speaker 4: face with an elephant dart.
• 30:46
  Speaker 5: You've got to hand it to China.
• 30:47
  Speaker 4: They're like, oh, yeah, let's seize on this whole zero
• 30:50
  Speaker 4: emission stuff that Western countries love it. We're still going
• 30:54
  Speaker 4: to build a coal fired power plant about once every fortnight,
• 30:58
  Speaker 4: brand new one.
• 30:59
  Speaker 5: Ping, there it goes again.
• 31:01
  Speaker 4: While these guys are carstrating their prosperity in the name
• 31:05
  Speaker 4: of zero.
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: So let's go.
• 31:07
  Speaker 4: Let's give them their evs cheap and crappy as they
• 31:11
  Speaker 4: may be.
• 31:11
  Speaker 5: They'll pay through the nose for it. We just get to.
• 31:14
  Speaker 4: Keep making money off these people.
• 31:16
  Speaker 5: Same goes for the.
• 31:17
  Speaker 4: Chinese solar panels. Oh, we're all buying out solar panels
• 31:21
  Speaker 4: from China. They themselves aren't doing a thing to get
• 31:25
  Speaker 4: their emissions down.
• 31:26
  Speaker 5: They in India being.
• 31:28
  Speaker 4: The biggest emitters in the world. No, no, they don't
• 31:32
  Speaker 4: care about that. They're just going to make money off
• 31:35
  Speaker 4: how stupid the Western world is pursuing this complete scam
• 31:41
  Speaker 4: that is zero emissions, whether it's by twenty to fifty
• 31:45
  Speaker 4: or by any other year. Check out this grab by
• 31:48
  Speaker 4: is it Christopher Hitchins. I always get the brothers mixed up.
• 31:51
  Speaker 4: Peter Hitchins talking about just how ridiculous it is the
• 31:56
  Speaker 4: West bending over backwards to achieve these aims while we're
• 32:01
  Speaker 4: actually not really achieving anything at all.
• 32:05
  Speaker 9: The contribution which this country is making by what it's
• 32:08
  Speaker 9: doing to these outcomes is not merely minimal, it's non existent.
• 32:12
  Speaker 9: Everything that we do is completely blotted out by what
• 32:15
  Speaker 9: much larger countries are doing to maintain their own power. Now,
• 32:20
  Speaker 9: if you want to live in a country with net zero,
• 32:23
  Speaker 9: if you want to be in the country where nobody
• 32:24
  Speaker 9: can afford to heat their house, where people have incredibly
• 32:28
  Speaker 9: expensive and largely non functioning heat pumps inflicted on them,
• 32:32
  Speaker 9: then carry on believing that the demand to go for
• 32:37
  Speaker 9: net zero to keep it in the ground is intelligent
• 32:40
  Speaker 9: and thoughtful.
• 32:41
  Speaker 4: Now he's talking about the UK there, but here in
• 32:44
  Speaker 4: Australia we are responsible for one point three percent of
• 32:48
  Speaker 4: global emissions. It is not even a drop in the ocean,
• 32:54
  Speaker 4: and yet the extent that we're going to I just
• 32:58
  Speaker 4: you've got to applaud China on this, just being like
• 33:00
  Speaker 4: they're stupid enough to fall for it. We're just going
• 33:03
  Speaker 4: to keep manufacturing all this rubbish that they.
• 33:05
  Speaker 5: Think that they need.
• 33:06
  Speaker 4: Meanwhile, we've got a new call fired power plant going
• 33:09
  Speaker 4: up every five minutes.
• 33:11
  Speaker 5: Thanks for your call, Australia.
• 33:12
  Speaker 4: We are literally funding their prosper it ready by crucifying
• 33:17
  Speaker 4: our own.
• 33:18
  Speaker 3: Well, I mean, we're even twice as stupid as you say,
• 33:20
  Speaker 3: because not only are we funding their prosperity by crucifying
• 33:23
  Speaker 3: our own, but then the junk they're sending back to
• 33:25
  Speaker 3: us collects data on all of us. Yeah, I mean
• 33:28
  Speaker 3: you read about how the government officials meeting with the
• 33:31
  Speaker 3: Chinese premiere were given Berner phones in Australia because they
• 33:36
  Speaker 3: weren't confident that their data would not be hacked by
• 33:41
  Speaker 3: the Chinese delegation. So if we're doing that with our phones,
• 33:45
  Speaker 3: it raises the question once all of our cars are
• 33:47
  Speaker 3: manufactured in China, should military officials be allowed to drive
• 33:50
  Speaker 3: electric vehicles?
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: Should police be allowed to drive electric vehicles?
• 33:54
  Speaker 3: Should judges or politicians be allowed Because if it's collecting
• 33:57
  Speaker 3: where you're going. We talked about how insurance companies are
• 34:01
  Speaker 3: using facial recognition from your car to judge whether you're
• 34:05
  Speaker 3: falling asleep or et cetera, et cetera, how fast you're driving.
• 34:08
  Speaker 3: When they're collecting that much data, it starts to raise
• 34:11
  Speaker 3: the question who should be driving electric vehicles and who
• 34:14
  Speaker 3: ought not be because we don't want the Chinese to
• 34:16
  Speaker 3: know everything about them.
• 34:17
  Speaker 6: Well, any self respecting individuals should not be driving an
• 34:20
  Speaker 6: elit egle.
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: I mean, come on, they don't make any noise. A
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: plot twist.
• 34:24
  Speaker 6: The bernafones were huaweis no. I don't think they were
• 34:26
  Speaker 6: actually going to.
• 34:28
  Speaker 2: Be pretty funny if they were.
• 34:29
  Speaker 5: China's the la laugh.
• 34:32
  Speaker 6: Here's something else China can build for us. Have about
• 34:35
  Speaker 6: a few offshore wind farms, so we know down in
• 34:37
  Speaker 6: Victoria they were talking about this was going to be
• 34:40
  Speaker 6: the next big thing.
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: They had this big territory off the coast.
• 34:43
  Speaker 6: Of Victoria and South Australia that was going to be
• 34:45
  Speaker 6: this big offshore wind farm zone. And then that sort
• 34:48
  Speaker 6: of been shrinking and shrinking and shrinking and shrinking because
• 34:51
  Speaker 6: they've kind of worked out that it's not worth investing
• 34:54
  Speaker 6: in but not.
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: So in New South Wales.
• 34:56
  Speaker 6: There's a big wind farm's going to go off the
• 34:58
  Speaker 6: coast of Little Warror here in New South Wales. Has
• 35:02
  Speaker 6: been approved over the weekend by the federal government. The
• 35:05
  Speaker 6: locals are up in arms because this thing will be
• 35:08
  Speaker 6: twenty odd kilometers offshore, but they're two hundred and sixty
• 35:12
  Speaker 6: meters tall, these wind turbines. One wonders whether it will
• 35:17
  Speaker 6: be manufactured in China and sent to us. He is
• 35:20
  Speaker 6: the great Energy Minister, Casanova Bowen, foreshadowing that all of
• 35:25
  Speaker 6: this was going to happen.
• 35:27
  Speaker 8: Industries like Blue Scope need renewable energy and lots of it,
• 35:30
  Speaker 8: and need constant renewable energy.
• 35:32
  Speaker 6: Offshore wind is exactly that constant renewable energy. Well, thankfully,
• 35:38
  Speaker 6: the coalition has promised that if they were elected at
• 35:41
  Speaker 6: the next federal election, which of course is highly unlikely,
• 35:44
  Speaker 6: but we appreciate the promise anyway, that they would scrap
• 35:48
  Speaker 6: the project, and rightly so. I mean, you can understand why.
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: You'd be a bit peeved.
• 35:54
  Speaker 6: You go down to the beach and you sit in
• 35:55
  Speaker 6: there having your fish and chips, and your kids.
• 35:58
  Speaker 2: Like daddy, what s they're out there?
• 36:02
  Speaker 6: That's just a bird incinerator, that thing. And apparently it
• 36:07
  Speaker 6: affects the whales as well, because of course it admits
• 36:09
  Speaker 6: all these electropulses and stuff, and.
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: It's right in the middle of a migration.
• 36:13
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah, thousand whales every year migrate through that ERAa.
• 36:16
  Speaker 2: So it's great for the environment, right.
• 36:18
  Speaker 6: And I had Gary Hardgrave on Credlin earlier tonight and
• 36:23
  Speaker 6: he said it, you know, it wasn't about the environment,
• 36:24
  Speaker 6: it was about murdering Miggeloo.
• 36:27
  Speaker 2: Was such a good line. Well.
• 36:29
  Speaker 3: Fiona Phillips, she's a local MP, so she was boasting
• 36:32
  Speaker 3: on Facebook about how many jobs this offshore wind project
• 36:36
  Speaker 3: would create and lo and behold. If you look at
• 36:38
  Speaker 3: her Facebook page, the comments are not particularly complimentary.
• 36:43
  Speaker 4: I love all the coalitions getting faster though, just swatting
• 36:47
  Speaker 4: these bags. Sooner have they announced as you pure object
• 36:50
  Speaker 4: and Dunton's like and will be canceling that should we
• 36:53
  Speaker 4: get in. Just ride the way the fury to be like,
• 36:57
  Speaker 4: vote liberal, it won't happen.
• 36:59
  Speaker 6: Literally ride the wave all the twenty kilometers out to
• 37:01
  Speaker 6: the well.
• 37:03
  Speaker 3: We're going to go to a break. But before we do,
• 37:05
  Speaker 3: we've got an opportunity for you. It's the opportunity to
• 37:08
  Speaker 3: ask us anything that's right. You can ask Liz Kleb
• 37:11
  Speaker 3: myself anything you want to know within question, within reason
• 37:15
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• 37:18
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• 37:21
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• 37:24
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• 37:29
  Speaker 3: We'll answer those questions later in the week and that
• 37:31
  Speaker 3: will all be available on the app. Stick around when
• 37:34
  Speaker 3: we come back. Look at what's making news in tomorrow's papers.
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: Welcome back.
• 37:41
  Speaker 3: Well, we were all pretty happy with our jobs here
• 37:43
  Speaker 3: at Sky News until we saw the front page of
• 37:45
  Speaker 3: tomorrow's Canberra Times.
• 37:46
  Speaker 4: Liz read it and weep, you guys. The spread reads
• 37:51
  Speaker 4: aps bosses on.
• 37:53
  Speaker 5: Their way to one million dollar salaries.
• 37:56
  Speaker 4: Tell us more, several public service bosses are we in
• 38:00
  Speaker 4: touching distance. Touching distance seems a weird way to put
• 38:04
  Speaker 4: it of joining the first of their cohort to pass
• 38:07
  Speaker 4: the million dollar salary mark thanks to a three point
• 38:10
  Speaker 4: five percent pay rise. Three point five percent doesn't sound
• 38:14
  Speaker 4: like much until the next power tells you the public
• 38:18
  Speaker 4: service's highest paid secretary will get a pay bump of
• 38:21
  Speaker 4: about thirty four thousand dollars on July first. So these
• 38:29
  Speaker 4: are people, they're public servants, Okay, these are the people
• 38:33
  Speaker 4: who get to make decisions, very real decisions that affect
• 38:37
  Speaker 4: you and I on a daily basis. You and I
• 38:41
  Speaker 4: being the people who are basically bleeding out of every
• 38:44
  Speaker 4: orifice just trying to make it through this cost of
• 38:47
  Speaker 4: living crisis without beating.
• 38:48
  Speaker 5: Down food bank store.
• 38:50
  Speaker 4: And these people, we wonder why they're so out of
• 38:55
  Speaker 4: touch with what every day Australians want and need out
• 38:59
  Speaker 4: of the policy they make, they create and they do
• 39:03
  Speaker 4: not have to suffer through the consequences of what.
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: On a million dollars a year. They're out of touch
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: with the Prime minister.
• 39:08
  Speaker 3: He's only on about five hundred and sixty grand.
• 39:10
  Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, five eighty six, nine fifty. I think it
• 39:12
  Speaker 6: is as of all people, what can.
• 39:15
  Speaker 4: They possibly be doing, Caleb to genuinely deserve this kind
• 39:19
  Speaker 4: of money.
• 39:19
  Speaker 6: Well, look, the reason they're paid that money is of
• 39:22
  Speaker 6: course because they're competing with the private sector as well
• 39:25
  Speaker 6: in terms of trying to find people who want.
• 39:27
  Speaker 2: To head up these departments.
• 39:28
  Speaker 6: But it really is You've got to ask the question
• 39:31
  Speaker 6: if the bloke who is calling all the shots or
• 39:34
  Speaker 6: some of the shots. The Prime Minister is on five
• 39:36
  Speaker 6: hundred and eighty six odd k and then of course
• 39:39
  Speaker 6: his ministers, who are technically in charge of these departments.
• 39:42
  Speaker 6: The minister makes the decisions that the staff and the
• 39:45
  Speaker 6: secretaries of those departments then execute, So the minister is
• 39:50
  Speaker 6: on at least half less money than the bloke that
• 39:54
  Speaker 6: he then goes off.
• 39:55
  Speaker 2: All the women for that matter, or the non barnary persons.
• 39:58
  Speaker 6: Goes off too, and says the this is the job
• 40:00
  Speaker 6: you have to do, like you shouldn't the minister be
• 40:03
  Speaker 6: on that money.
• 40:04
  Speaker 2: The minister is the one who has to make all.
• 40:06
  Speaker 3: The calls for a massive pay rise for all of
• 40:09
  Speaker 3: our empty It doesn't.
• 40:10
  Speaker 4: Quite work that way, because it's the bureaucrats in these
• 40:13
  Speaker 4: departments who go to the minister, who usually knows like
• 40:17
  Speaker 4: nothing about their actual ministry, and tells them this is
• 40:23
  Speaker 4: the plan. Well that is that is The ministers can
• 40:25
  Speaker 4: tweak it, they've got a rubber stamp it, but even
• 40:28
  Speaker 4: at that point they don't know what that is. Me
• 40:31
  Speaker 4: that is as we see daily through the likes of
• 40:34
  Speaker 4: Jarles and Claire.
• 40:36
  Speaker 6: But it is O'Neill, clear, clar O'Neal, I even deserve
• 40:41
  Speaker 6: for mitigation now henceforth being known on this program neilo clear.
• 40:46
  Speaker 6: But look, all I can say is that I wouldn't
• 40:48
  Speaker 6: mind getting within touching distance of a public servant on
• 40:51
  Speaker 6: a million dollars a year, because I may well be
• 40:53
  Speaker 6: able to put my hand in their back pocket and
• 40:54
  Speaker 6: take their wallet and I can have a good night
• 40:57
  Speaker 6: at the public Let's go to the OS tomorrow where
• 41:01
  Speaker 6: on the theme of people getting good pay rise, as
• 41:04
  Speaker 6: it says here, Setka's members win twenty one percent Payray
• 41:08
  Speaker 6: you thought it was pretty good over at the public
• 41:10
  Speaker 6: service three and a half Charlie, thousands of CFM you
• 41:14
  Speaker 6: members in Melbourne have endorsed a new patent pay deal
• 41:17
  Speaker 6: that delivers twenty one percent in wage rises over four years,
• 41:21
  Speaker 6: reinstates a host of conditions scrapped under the coalition's building code,
• 41:25
  Speaker 6: including mandatory union.
• 41:27
  Speaker 2: Flags on every project, and.
• 41:29
  Speaker 6: Allows union officials to intersites without illegal permit if they
• 41:33
  Speaker 6: are invited by an employer. Isn't this good news for
• 41:37
  Speaker 6: the cf emmy you. They're also getting funeral cover between
• 41:41
  Speaker 6: nine thousand and fifteen thousand dollars for their family should
• 41:45
  Speaker 6: they ever need that. They're going to get back pay
• 41:47
  Speaker 6: in the whole lot. But I just love this quote
• 41:50
  Speaker 6: from a punter or a member of the union who
• 41:53
  Speaker 6: was at the vote today says, you're applauding the pay rises.
• 41:56
  Speaker 6: One member told the meeting twenty percent pay rises over
• 42:00
  Speaker 6: four years.
• 42:01
  Speaker 2: There's not enough.
• 42:02
  Speaker 6: Ford Rangers in the country to buy the apprentices will
• 42:06
  Speaker 6: have for raptors. You know, I'm not surprised they can't
• 42:11
  Speaker 6: contain their excitement. But you know, off the back of
• 42:14
  Speaker 6: Setka going off to threaten the AFL, he's just managed
• 42:17
  Speaker 6: to deliver a twenty one percent pay rise for his members.
• 42:20
  Speaker 3: Well, the other thing he did was he defended lollipop
• 42:23
  Speaker 3: sign holders earning two hundred thousand dollars a year, saying
• 42:26
  Speaker 3: they work incredibly hard and those who criticize them are
• 42:28
  Speaker 3: people who go home watch cartoons at three thirty in
• 42:30
  Speaker 3: the afternoon quote unquote. But there was a little bit
• 42:34
  Speaker 3: of upset from some union members at this meeting, according
• 42:37
  Speaker 3: to The Australian, who devastated to learn that in certain
• 42:41
  Speaker 3: circumstances when it's raining, they will be required to do
• 42:44
  Speaker 3: alternative duties rather than be allowed to go home.
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: And so that was quite upsetting for some of them.
• 42:50
  Speaker 4: Occupational health safety, No twenty.
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: One percent pay rise, but may have to do alternate work.
• 42:56
  Speaker 6: Twenty one percent pay rise, but no cartoons at three
• 42:58
  Speaker 6: point thirty in the afternoon.
• 43:00
  Speaker 5: Unacceptable.
• 43:01
  Speaker 6: Now the story on the front of the Ears tomorrow.
• 43:03
  Speaker 6: Coalition to do whatever it can to avoid large scale renewables.
• 43:06
  Speaker 2: Oh music to my ears.
• 43:08
  Speaker 6: National's leader David Little Proud and so a coalition government
• 43:11
  Speaker 6: will look at alternative energy sources so it doesn't have
• 43:14
  Speaker 6: to pursue large scale renewables such as wind and sol
• 43:18
  Speaker 6: after suggesting he would acts an offshore wind industry if elected.
• 43:23
  Speaker 6: Quite right, Quite right again, I kind of wish that
• 43:26
  Speaker 6: this would mean that, you know, there'd be a change
• 43:28
  Speaker 6: of government, even though I know that's not likely. But
• 43:30
  Speaker 6: this stuff is starting to get through. If you look
• 43:33
  Speaker 6: at that Resolve poll that came out yesterday in the
• 43:36
  Speaker 6: nine papers, I mean, for heaven's sake. According to that pole,
• 43:39
  Speaker 6: Labor has had its lowest ever primary vote in the
• 43:42
  Speaker 6: history of that poll, which has been running since twenty nineteen.
• 43:46
  Speaker 6: We are actually starting to get a little bit of cut.
• 43:49
  Speaker 2: Through on this message.
• 43:50
  Speaker 5: We know.
• 43:50
  Speaker 3: The other interesting thing from that pole is on the
• 43:52
  Speaker 3: question who do you trust? On the environment, The ALP
• 43:55
  Speaker 3: got twenty four percent, the Coalition got twenty two percent.
• 43:58
  Speaker 3: It used to be a fifteen point difference between the
• 44:00
  Speaker 3: two parties. Now it's down to a two point difference.
• 44:03
  Speaker 3: So the environment that used to be a great advantage
• 44:06
  Speaker 3: for the ALP not so much anymore.
• 44:08
  Speaker 5: Yeah, and the resolve polling was even funnier.
• 44:11
  Speaker 4: So there was fifteen issues, and they're like grade which
• 44:14
  Speaker 4: party is better on each of these issues?
• 44:17
  Speaker 5: The Libs one twelve.
• 44:19
  Speaker 4: Out of fifteen, and the three that the Labor got
• 44:24
  Speaker 4: across the line, they were all just like indigenous issues,
• 44:27
  Speaker 4: not like purse string issues, the economy, national security. The
• 44:31
  Speaker 4: Libs were just like tic tic tic tic tick, and
• 44:34
  Speaker 4: labours like indigenous issues and the climate.
• 44:38
  Speaker 2: And they did so well.
• 44:39
  Speaker 5: Remember what the third one was, but I was laughing.
• 44:41
  Speaker 6: So they did so well on indigenous issues that they
• 44:44
  Speaker 6: managed to deliver the voice.
• 44:45
  Speaker 2: To Parliament, didn't they?
• 44:46
  Speaker 5: Oh?
• 44:46
  Speaker 2: Wait, no they didn't.
• 44:48
  Speaker 5: And then forget all about it.
• 44:49
  Speaker 3: Let's go to the front page of the Herald's son
• 44:51
  Speaker 3: exclusive police search powers, boost to tackle home raids, scourge
• 44:56
  Speaker 3: knives outreads the headline please will be given increased powers
• 45:00
  Speaker 3: to conduct random and targeted weapons searchers to crack down
• 45:04
  Speaker 3: on a surge in knife crime. We all know knife
• 45:06
  Speaker 3: crimes a massive problem around the country, particularly in Victoria.
• 45:09
  Speaker 3: In fact, in twelve months there were thirty people stabbed,
• 45:13
  Speaker 3: threatened or robbed at knife point at three Victorian or
• 45:16
  Speaker 3: rather Melbourne train stations, including a twelve year old girl
• 45:20
  Speaker 3: who stabbed a thirty seven year old woman to death.
• 45:22
  Speaker 3: So police want powers awelve year old twelve year old girl.
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's currently in court.
• 45:28
  Speaker 3: They're trying to work out whether she's capable of morally
• 45:31
  Speaker 3: understanding it was wrong.
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: So it's a big issue.
• 45:36
  Speaker 3: I think police should have powers to search young people,
• 45:38
  Speaker 3: particularly in areas where it's known that knife crime.
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: Is an issue.
• 45:42
  Speaker 4: Yeah, look, I don't it's a great idea, Sure, go
• 45:46
  Speaker 4: for it.
• 45:46
  Speaker 5: I don't know how.
• 45:47
  Speaker 4: Much of a difference it's going to mate though. I mean,
• 45:50
  Speaker 4: in the circumstances which you just described, how would this
• 45:53
  Speaker 4: have made a difference. If someone is carrying a concealed weapon,
• 45:57
  Speaker 4: they can whip it out at any time and whoever
• 45:59
  Speaker 4: they're victim.
• 45:59
  Speaker 5: Is is done for in that moment.
• 46:02
  Speaker 4: But look, if cops think they might be able to
• 46:05
  Speaker 4: catch the odd person out concealed carry when they do
• 46:08
  Speaker 4: raids or whatever.
• 46:10
  Speaker 6: It's a bit needle in a haystack. I think it
• 46:12
  Speaker 6: is the biggest problem. You hope to catch them out,
• 46:14
  Speaker 6: but do you really utn't know.
• 46:16
  Speaker 3: We're going to go to a break when we come back.
• 46:18
  Speaker 3: Joe Biden literally freezes on stage at a Democrat fundraiser
• 46:22
  Speaker 3: that's coming up in just a moment, welcome back. Well,
• 46:28
  Speaker 3: there was a fundraising event to raise money for Joe
• 46:30
  Speaker 3: Biden's reelection campaign on Saturday night. Thirty million dollars was raised,
• 46:35
  Speaker 3: though those who donated might be wondering if it was
• 46:38
  Speaker 3: a wise investment because after being interviewed with Barack Obama,
• 46:43
  Speaker 3: both gentlemen stood up and the US President Joe Biden
• 46:45
  Speaker 3: literally froze. Had to be nannied off stage by Barack.
• 46:50
  Speaker 3: Have a look. I love it how Obama puts his
• 47:16
  Speaker 3: arm around Joe like, oh weit just mate, Really is
• 47:19
  Speaker 3: actually this way this way of man this way now.
• 47:22
  Speaker 3: Of course, there's a debate coming up shortly between Biden
• 47:26
  Speaker 3: and Trump. Have listened to this MSNBC host talk about
• 47:30
  Speaker 3: the fact that it's so unfair to Biden because he's
• 47:32
  Speaker 3: going to be judged so harshly, like.
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: People are going to want to know, is he alive?
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: Can he even talk? Have listened?
• 47:40
  Speaker 5: You know?
• 47:40
  Speaker 10: The first presidential debate is set for June twenty seventh.
• 47:42
  Speaker 10: That already feels like the bar that has set for
• 47:44
  Speaker 10: Biden to clear is so much more substantially, so much
• 47:48
  Speaker 10: substantially higher than the one Trump has to clear, which
• 47:50
  Speaker 10: is literally, is he alive?
• 47:52
  Speaker 5: Is he standing?
• 47:53
  Speaker 10: Are the words coming out of his mouth setting aside
• 47:56
  Speaker 10: of what the words actually are? And I just I
• 47:58
  Speaker 10: wonder if there's any way for Biden to overcome what
• 48:01
  Speaker 10: seems like a structural disadvantage on you know, in the
• 48:05
  Speaker 10: weeks leading up to what's going to be a pretty
• 48:07
  Speaker 10: important inflection point in this campaign.
• 48:10
  Speaker 3: Listen, I would have thought having a pulse is a
• 48:12
  Speaker 3: fairly low bar.
• 48:13
  Speaker 4: Really, it's a structural disadvantage. Okay, Oh my gosh, those
• 48:19
  Speaker 4: guys shilling for the Dems. It never gets tired, It
• 48:23
  Speaker 4: does get tiresome.
• 48:24
  Speaker 2: Let's be serious. I am on this show too, Liz.
• 48:28
  Speaker 4: You know, I thought, after hosting Credline the Sea, no no, no,
• 48:31
  Speaker 4: no no, I'm going to make he does just talk
• 48:34
  Speaker 4: for both.
• 48:34
  Speaker 6: I've got to be fair to that woman. He does
• 48:37
  Speaker 6: have a structural disadvantage.
• 48:38
  Speaker 2: It's in the structure of his brain. It's not there.
• 48:42
  Speaker 2: It's mash per Sato.
• 48:44
  Speaker 6: That's the structural disadvantage. And you watch Biden there on
• 48:48
  Speaker 6: stage having to be carted off and the music in
• 48:50
  Speaker 6: the background. It's a bit like he's on an episode
• 48:53
  Speaker 6: of This Is Your Life, except in his case. You know,
• 48:56
  Speaker 6: normally you go along to This is Your Life and
• 48:58
  Speaker 6: they bring out all these people from your.
• 49:00
  Speaker 2: Your past and you're like, oh my god, I haven't
• 49:03
  Speaker 2: seen you for so many years.
• 49:05
  Speaker 6: Joe Biden has to go on an episode of This
• 49:07
  Speaker 6: is Your Life to be reminded of what he's actually
• 49:10
  Speaker 6: done in his life so he can go to the
• 49:12
  Speaker 6: debate and talk with some level of sincerity.
• 49:15
  Speaker 3: Well, that's all we've got time for, but don't go anywhere.
• 49:17
  Speaker 3: Coming right up is Ritapinas.