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- 0:07Speaker 1: On Friday 11th May 2012, a fire ripped through a
- 0:12Speaker 1: family home in Derby in the East Midlands. Trapped inside
- 0:17Speaker 1: and fast asleep were six young children.
- 0:21Speaker 2: The fire brigade were in the house, flashing lights everywhere.
- 0:24Speaker 2: I pushed to the front of the house and I
- 0:27Speaker 2: could see the firefighters bringing the children out. Some in blankets.
- 0:32Speaker 2: And the ambulance were trying to resuscitate some of them.
- 0:38Speaker 1: Firefighters and paramedics battled in vain to save their lives.
- 0:42Speaker 1: All six children died. The youngest was just five years old.
- 0:47Speaker 3: The damage to the house is drastic, and there is
- 0:51Speaker 3: no way that those poor six children could possibly have escaped.
- 0:56Speaker 3: Smoke inhalation alone would have been deadly.
- 1:00Speaker 4: But this was no accident.
- 1:02Speaker 1: As Mick Philpott, the children's father, wept in front of
- 1:05Speaker 1: the British public, he was hiding a sinister secret.
- 1:09Speaker 4: He had deliberately started the fire.
- 1:12Speaker 5: I think that the most tragic part of this case
- 1:15Speaker 5: is the fact that six children's lives were lost in
- 1:18Speaker 5: Mick Philpott's attempts to basically rescue his own ego.
- 1:24Speaker 1: Nick Philpott had set out to look like a hero,
- 1:27Speaker 1: but he'd ended up as one of the world's most
- 1:29Speaker 1: evil killers.
- 1:56Speaker 4: As news broke.
- 1:57Speaker 1: Across Britain in May 2012 that six young children had
- 2:01Speaker 1: died inside a burning family home on Victory Road in
- 2:05Speaker 1: Allent and Derby, the entire.
- 2:07Speaker 4: Nation were in shock.
- 2:10Speaker 1: The parents, 56-year-old Mick Philpott and his wife, 31-year-old Miraid,
- 2:15Speaker 1: were unharmed but completely heartbroken. Their five sons and one daughter,
- 2:21Speaker 1: aged between 5 and 13 years old, were dead. Former
- 2:25Speaker 1: neighbour to the Philpott's, Daniel Stevenson, witnessed the horrific event.
- 2:31Speaker 2: My brother woke me up, and that's when I looked
- 2:34Speaker 2: out the window, seeing thick black smoke coming from the house.
- 2:39Speaker 2: I got out of bed, got dressed, pyjamas on, trainers,
- 2:42Speaker 2: ran out the door, went straight to the property. Just
- 2:45Speaker 2: wanted help, so there was no way of getting in
- 2:48Speaker 2: through the front, so I went round the back, climbed
- 2:50Speaker 2: over the caravan, dropped down the other side, got into
- 2:53Speaker 2: the back garden. And I see Mick and Marie there,
- 2:56Speaker 2: just crying, screaming, shouting.
- 3:00Speaker 1: Despite brave attempts from the emergency services, nobody could get inside.
- 3:05Speaker 4: The fire was just too ferocious.
- 3:08Speaker 2: Fire coming out of the letterbox, fire coming from around
- 3:10Speaker 2: the sides of the doors.
- 3:13Speaker 1: By the time it was safe to enter the house,
- 3:15Speaker 1: it was too late. Five of the children, 10-year-old Jade
- 3:20Speaker 1: and her brothers John, Jack, Jesse, and Jayden, had all
- 3:24Speaker 1: lost their lives. 13-year-old Duane died later at hospital. However,
- 3:31Speaker 1: it wasn't a tragic accident. Unbelievably, the house fire was
- 3:36Speaker 1: part of a deliberate plan. Mick Philpott had masterminded everything
- 3:41Speaker 1: for his own benefit.
- 3:43Speaker 5: I think that Mick Philpott did an incredibly evil and
- 3:46Speaker 5: an incredibly selfish thing. He was essentially looking to get
- 3:50Speaker 5: revenge for a perceived wrong against him by a woman
- 3:53Speaker 5: who he thought was under his control.
- 3:57Speaker 1: His story begins over 60 years ago. Mick Philpott was
- 4:04Speaker 1: born in 1956. He grew up in Derby as part
- 4:09Speaker 1: of a large Roman Catholic family.
- 4:11Speaker 5: It would have been an environment in which His parents'
- 4:14Speaker 5: attention was diluted across many children, so he wouldn't have
- 4:18Speaker 5: been the center of attention by any means. And we
- 4:21Speaker 5: know that his mother worked very hard. She had a
- 4:24Speaker 5: job at a factory that she only retired from when
- 4:27Speaker 5: she was quite old. So he didn't appear to come
- 4:31Speaker 5: from an unusual background by any means.
- 4:35Speaker 1: In 1975, aged 19, Philpott joined the army. He began
- 4:40Speaker 1: to show signs of a violent temper, especially towards his girlfriends.
- 4:44Speaker 1: It would repeatedly land him in trouble. Local journalist Martin
- 4:49Speaker 1: Naylor recalls the events that led to Philpott being arrested
- 4:52Speaker 1: in 1978.
- 4:55Speaker 6: When Mick was a youngster, I think 19 or 20,
- 4:58Speaker 6: maybe 21, he ended up with a conviction for attempted murder,
- 5:02Speaker 6: for which he was sentenced to seven years in prison.
- 5:04Speaker 6: The story with that is that he had a girlfriend
- 5:07Speaker 6: back in Derby. He was stationed wherever his regiment were.
- 5:11Speaker 6: She'd had the temerity to sending a Dear John letter
- 5:14Speaker 6: ending their relationship, so he decided to go AWOL from
- 5:18Speaker 6: the army, rock up at her house in Derby and
- 5:22Speaker 6: attack her with a knife. And then when her mother died,
- 5:24Speaker 6: tried to intervene, he attacked the mother too.
- 5:26Speaker 1: Despite his seven-year sentence for attempted murder and grievous bodily harm,
- 5:32Speaker 1: Philpott served just over three years. He was released in 1981.
- 5:38Speaker 3: From that point onwards, Philpott set about controlling every woman
- 5:43Speaker 3: he had any contact with and to do so in
- 5:46Speaker 3: the most outrageous way.
- 5:48Speaker 1: Those who knew Philpott were surprised to hear just how
- 5:52Speaker 1: violent his past had been.
- 5:55Speaker 2: I know Mick can handle himself, so, like, if anyone
- 6:00Speaker 2: was intimidating towards him, he wasn't afraid to pump his
- 6:04Speaker 2: chest and stand up to them and so forth, so
- 6:07Speaker 2: I know he had quite a strong, like, reaction when
- 6:11Speaker 2: people kind of pushed him.
- 6:14Speaker 7: The bit that shocked me was.
- 6:16Speaker 2: I didn't know that he tried to kill his ex-partner.
- 6:20Speaker 1: After his release from prison, Philpott had a series of
- 6:23Speaker 1: volatile relationships. In 1986, at the age of 30, he
- 6:28Speaker 1: got married for the first time and fathered two sons
- 6:32Speaker 1: and a daughter. He later had two more children with
- 6:35Speaker 1: a teenage girlfriend and began to have several relationships simultaneously.
- 6:41Speaker 1: By the time he was 50, Philpott had fathered a
- 6:44Speaker 1: total of 17 children.
- 6:47Speaker 8: I think he would have gone for any woman to
- 6:48Speaker 8: go for him. But, but in his case, he went
- 6:51Speaker 8: for younger girls, usually girls who were very upset and
- 6:55Speaker 8: down and depressed, either because they came out of a
- 6:58Speaker 8: bad relationship or they were mistreated by their parents. Um,
- 7:01Speaker 8: girls that had no self-esteem, you can pick them out
- 7:04Speaker 8: of a crowd. You know, they, they think they're, they're ugly.
- 7:07Speaker 8: They think that they're inadequate. They think that they cannot
- 7:09Speaker 8: have a boyfriend that everybody hates and that the world
- 7:12Speaker 8: hates them. They, All they need is a little bit
- 7:15Speaker 8: of love, is somebody to be there and show them
- 7:19Speaker 8: that they are beautiful, that they matter, that they are somebody.
- 7:22Speaker 8: And he knew how to do that. He would approach
- 7:25Speaker 8: the girls that were like in the lowest they could be,
- 7:28Speaker 8: and he would be that person.
- 7:29Speaker 3: In 2000, he met Marie Duffy, a 19-year-old single mother.
- 7:34Speaker 3: But within a year, he'd met a 16-year-old who became
- 7:38Speaker 3: another of his conquests.
- 7:41Speaker 7: She, too, was a single mother. At 16.
- 7:44Speaker 3: In 2003, Philpott marries Marie Duffy, but keeps his full-time
- 7:51Speaker 3: live-in mistress. In fact, she is the bridesmaid at the
- 7:56Speaker 3: marriage to Marie Duffy. It becomes a ménage à trois,
- 8:01Speaker 3: both bearing his children, living in a council house in Allenton,
- 8:05Speaker 3: near Derby. They are, well, one could only describe it
- 8:09Speaker 3: as extraordinary.
- 8:11Speaker 5: Mick Philpott was a man who was incredibly manipulative, incredibly controlling,
- 8:16Speaker 5: and had managed to basically convince these two women over
- 8:19Speaker 5: a course of several years that this was, you know,
- 8:22Speaker 5: a really good thing, that actually they were lucky to
- 8:24Speaker 5: have some of his attention.
- 8:26Speaker 1: In 2006, 50-year-old Mick Philpott was unemployed and living on
- 8:32Speaker 1: benefits in a council house with his wife, Mireille, his mistress, Lisa,
- 8:37Speaker 1: and their ever-growing, far from traditional family.
- 8:41Speaker 6: He had approached us as the Telegraph to say that
- 8:44Speaker 6: he was living in the house with his wife and
- 8:46Speaker 6: his then-girlfriend. They had children together, there were lots of
- 8:51Speaker 6: them there, and he wanted a bigger council house. So
- 8:53Speaker 6: we thought that by coming to his local newspaper, he
- 8:55Speaker 6: would get a bigger council house.
- 8:57Speaker 7: So we ran the story.
- 8:59Speaker 6: The following day, it was picked up on by all
- 9:01Speaker 6: the Nationals, especially some of the more right-leaning ones, as
- 9:04Speaker 6: you'd imagine. One of them, I think one of the tabloids,
- 9:07Speaker 6: dubbed him Shameless Mick, and the kind of the media
- 9:10Speaker 6: frenzy rollercoaster went.
- 9:12Speaker 7: On from there.
- 9:14Speaker 1: In 2007, Philpott appeared on The Jeremy Kyle Show to
- 9:18Speaker 1: talk about his large family and his lifestyle. He began
- 9:22Speaker 1: to draw attention from the general public.
- 9:25Speaker 3: He becomes quite famous as a benefits scrounger because he
- 9:31Speaker 3: significantly never has a job and is claiming at one
- 9:35Speaker 3: point 60,000 a year in benefits as well as being given.
- 9:38Speaker 4: A house and.
- 9:40Speaker 3: He parks a caravan, effectively, at the side of the
- 9:43Speaker 3: semi-detached council house he's living in, in which he alternates.
- 9:48Speaker 3: He sleeps there one night with the wife, Murray Duffy,
- 9:51Speaker 3: and the next night with his mistress, as though he's
- 9:53Speaker 3: some kind of emperor.
- 9:55Speaker 5: I think that Mick Philpott breathes the oxygen of publicity.
- 9:59Speaker 7: I think he.
- 10:00Speaker 5: absolutely regales in being the centre of attention. He loves
- 10:03Speaker 5: being talked about. And I don't think the nature of
- 10:06Speaker 5: attention matters very much to him. It doesn't matter if
- 10:09Speaker 5: it's positive attention or negative attention as long as people
- 10:12Speaker 5: are talking about him.
- 10:14Speaker 1: Philpott enjoyed his newfound fame and went on to appear
- 10:18Speaker 1: in other television programmes.
- 10:21Speaker 5: He then participated in a programme about benefits culture with
- 10:24Speaker 5: the MP Anne Widdicombe. And he would have been absolutely
- 10:27Speaker 5: loving the attention. He was basically having his malevolent ego
- 10:32Speaker 5: fed from every angle here. But what he really didn't
- 10:35Speaker 5: care about was the impact that this had on his family.
- 10:38Speaker 5: His kids were bullied at school because of the attention.
- 10:41Speaker 5: that they got through him being in the press. His
- 10:45Speaker 5: partner and his wife were basically labeled as stupid and ignorant,
- 10:50Speaker 5: but that didn't matter. As long as people were talking
- 10:52Speaker 5: about him, that's all that he cared about.
- 10:54Speaker 3: I wish I found it comical. I found it despicable.
- 10:57Speaker 3: There is nothing about it that I find admirable. Philpott
- 11:00Speaker 3: saw himself as some kind of grand figure, effectively bragging
- 11:05Speaker 3: about his success with women, his success scrounging on the benefits.
- 11:10Speaker 5: Mick Philpott is somebody who has to be in control.
- 11:13Speaker 5: He has always got to be the one making the decisions,
- 11:16Speaker 5: and other people basically have to pander to his every whim.
- 11:20Speaker 1: Philpott's wife and mistress both worked as part-time cleaners.
- 11:25Speaker 5: But far from being a source of their own income
- 11:27Speaker 5: and a source of independence for them, he would basically
- 11:30Speaker 5: take all of their wages. He would be the one
- 11:33Speaker 5: who drove them to work, dropped them off and picked
- 11:35Speaker 5: them up. He wanted to be fully in control of
- 11:39Speaker 5: these women's lives. They didn't even have their own house keys.
- 11:42Speaker 1: In 2012, 56-year-old Mick Philpott was living with his wife,
- 11:47Speaker 1: his mistress and their 11 children in a council house
- 11:51Speaker 1: in Derbyshire. By now, Philpott was known nationally as a
- 11:55Speaker 1: benefit scrounger. But little was known about his controlling behaviour,
- 12:00Speaker 1: his volatile temper... and his obsession with sex that included
- 12:05Speaker 1: regular threesomes with his wife, Mireille, and a friend, Paul Mosley.
- 12:11Speaker 8: There were like 11 kids in the house, a small house,
- 12:15Speaker 8: two sexual partners, and he used to bring a friend
- 12:18Speaker 8: for sex parties and stuff. It's a horrible environment with
- 12:22Speaker 8: the kids in the house and stuff, and you're doing
- 12:24Speaker 8: all this. So it doesn't take an expert to realize, okay,
- 12:27Speaker 8: this is not a good situation.
- 12:30Speaker 1: And these sexual exploits of Mick and Miread didn't stop
- 12:33Speaker 1: at home.
- 12:35Speaker 6: There was an incident where they went out dogging in
- 12:37Speaker 6: Alastair Park. Now, people who live in Derby and know
- 12:40Speaker 6: Derby know that Alastair is a relatively affluent area, and
- 12:43Speaker 6: to hear that people have been going there to watch
- 12:47Speaker 6: other people having sex in cars sort of comes across
- 12:50Speaker 6: as quite a shock.
- 12:51Speaker 7: And so it was seedy.
- 12:55Speaker 1: In February 2012, Philpott's mistress, Lisa, decided she'd had enough
- 13:00Speaker 1: of life in the dysfunctional household. She moved out with
- 13:04Speaker 1: her five children and demanded custody.
- 13:08Speaker 8: A lot of people won't have that courage, She just decided, look,
- 13:12Speaker 8: enough is enough. She did the right thing. She didn't
- 13:14Speaker 8: go up to him and say, I'm leaving you, because
- 13:15Speaker 8: I think if she tried doing that, he would overpower her,
- 13:18Speaker 8: because he was a violent person, and say, no, you're
- 13:20Speaker 8: not leaving, or maybe lock her in. He would have
- 13:23Speaker 8: done something. But she did the right thing. She walked
- 13:26Speaker 8: away first and then sent him a message and said,
- 13:28Speaker 8: I'm gone, you know, and then he couldn't find her anymore.
- 13:32Speaker 5: This was a point at which Lisa had decided to
- 13:34Speaker 5: take control, to take her children and to go to
- 13:37Speaker 5: a women's refuge. And the key thing here is that
- 13:40Speaker 5: Mick hadn't decided that that was okay. He was the
- 13:44Speaker 5: one that decided when relationships were over. He was the
- 13:46Speaker 5: one that decided what happened on a daily basis. So
- 13:49Speaker 5: the fact that Lisa had betrayed him by taking that
- 13:52Speaker 5: power away from him, it was only going to result
- 13:55Speaker 5: in something really alarming in return.
- 13:58Speaker 1: Lisa moving out left financial implications for Philpott. Not only
- 14:03Speaker 1: did he lose her income as a cleaner, but also
- 14:06Speaker 1: the benefits he received for their children. The custody hearing
- 14:10Speaker 1: was set for May 11th. Philpott concocted a plan to
- 14:14Speaker 1: ensure that children would be returned to Victory Road.
- 14:19Speaker 3: Out of the vanity and arrogance of the man, together
- 14:23Speaker 3: with his wife, my aide, and Paul Mosley, the kind
- 14:26Speaker 3: of live-in, sometime lover, they hatch a scheme to set
- 14:31Speaker 3: fire to the house in Victory Road in an effort
- 14:34Speaker 3: to provoke the council to resign. give him a bigger house,
- 14:38Speaker 3: but also to blame his mistress. She will not get
- 14:43Speaker 3: the custody of the children. It is an extraordinary, bizarre plan.
- 14:49Speaker 5: I think Mairead was very much under Mick Philpott's control
- 14:52Speaker 5: at this point in time. I think he would have
- 14:55Speaker 5: quite easily have talked her around into actually being a
- 14:59Speaker 5: part of this.
- 15:00Speaker 8: It was a badly devised plan. To me, what convinced
- 15:03Speaker 8: him is his own stupidity. He was self-absorbed. He thought
- 15:06Speaker 8: that he was the king. You know, he got all
- 15:09Speaker 8: the girls he wanted, and he could control them and everything.
- 15:12Speaker 8: And maybe Philpott thought that he was that intelligent, that
- 15:16Speaker 8: it was that easy to devise a plan that he
- 15:18Speaker 8: could get back on the girl. So he probably sat down,
- 15:22Speaker 8: wrote down the plan very quickly. This is what we're
- 15:24Speaker 8: going to do, right?
- 15:26Speaker 4: Very easy.
- 15:27Speaker 1: In the early hours of Friday, May the 11th, 2012,
- 15:31Speaker 1: the same day as the scheduled custody hearing, Philpott, aided
- 15:35Speaker 1: by his wife, Mireille, and their friend, Paul Mosley, poured
- 15:39Speaker 1: petrol through the letterbox and set the family home alight.
- 15:44Speaker 1: Six of Philpott's children were sleeping upstairs.
- 15:48Speaker 3: The fire that he set, that they have set between them,
- 15:51Speaker 3: takes hold at a pace far greater than they could
- 15:55Speaker 3: possibly have conceived. and the house is literally filled with
- 15:59Speaker 3: smoke in a matter of instants. In his typically vainglorious way,
- 16:05Speaker 3: Philpott makes a particularly appalling 999 call, saying, my children
- 16:11Speaker 3: are inside.
- 16:13Speaker 2: They was on the phone to the emergency services, I believe,
- 16:18Speaker 2: and they was saying, like, my house is on fire,
- 16:21Speaker 2: and it was like, my baby, my baby, and obviously
- 16:24Speaker 2: they told, The emergency service, my neighbours here, it was very, like,
- 16:29Speaker 2: misty because everything's just happening so fast. I attempted to
- 16:32Speaker 2: go into the house. I got as far as the kitchen,
- 16:35Speaker 2: couldn't go any further. The smoke was just too thick.
- 16:38Speaker 2: It was choking, black. I couldn't see anything, so I
- 16:40Speaker 2: had to come back out. There was ladders at the
- 16:43Speaker 2: side going up to a window. I tried climbing up
- 16:46Speaker 2: to there and there was a ratchet in the window
- 16:48Speaker 2: where Mick's been trying to smash in, I think, and
- 16:51Speaker 2: there was smoke coming from that window. I then came
- 16:54Speaker 2: back down the ladders and I climbed up onto a
- 16:57Speaker 2: wooden frame, what he's been building onto his conservatory.
- 17:01Speaker 3: The damage to the house is drastic and there is
- 17:04Speaker 3: no way that those poor six children could possibly have escaped.
- 17:10Speaker 3: Smoke inhalation alone would have been deadly.
- 17:13Speaker 2: I climbed up to the window to see if any
- 17:15Speaker 2: windows were open. None of them were open. Then I
- 17:17Speaker 2: put one of the windows through with a wrench from
- 17:20Speaker 2: the other window. I chucked out the window and it
- 17:22Speaker 2: smashed straight through. I then continued putting the window through
- 17:25Speaker 2: with the pickaxe on the roof, smashing all the window up.
- 17:29Speaker 2: I was about to climb into the property. Again, couldn't
- 17:32Speaker 2: see nothing, couldn't hear nothing, and hear no screams.
- 17:36Speaker 1: When the fire service arrived, the desperate attempts to save
- 17:40Speaker 1: the children continued. The local press soon got wind of
- 17:44Speaker 1: the unfolding drama on Victory Road.
- 17:47Speaker 6: I was on the early shift on the morning of
- 17:49Speaker 6: the fire, and I could hear that the news desk
- 17:51Speaker 6: phone was ringing, so... I made a bit of a
- 17:54Speaker 6: dash for it. I grabbed the phone and it was
- 17:57Speaker 6: the on-duty police press officer. And she said to me,
- 18:00Speaker 6: we're just letting the local media know early that there's
- 18:03Speaker 6: been a really big house fire in Allentown and five
- 18:06Speaker 6: kids are dead. Within about five or ten minutes of
- 18:11Speaker 6: knowing that it was in Victory Road, I phoned the
- 18:14Speaker 6: local news agent who I'd known because I'd done previous
- 18:16Speaker 6: stories with him. He answered the phone and I said,
- 18:19Speaker 6: Joe Guritz-Martin from The Telegraph. and he said, it's Mick Philpott,
- 18:23Speaker 6: it's Mick Philpott's house.
- 18:25Speaker 7: And I didn't even have to ask him what it
- 18:27Speaker 7: was about. He knew, and he blurted that out straight away.
- 18:31Speaker 1: Shocked neighbors began to spill out onto the street as
- 18:34Speaker 1: the full horror of the tragedy became apparent.
- 18:38Speaker 2: I think nearly the whole street was out in the front.
- 18:41Speaker 2: The fire brigade were in the house, flashing lights everywhere.
- 18:44Speaker 2: I pushed to the front of the house, and I
- 18:48Speaker 2: could see the firefighters bring in the children out, some
- 18:54Speaker 2: in blankets. I think they used the blankets to try
- 18:57Speaker 2: and protect some of it.
- 18:57Speaker 4: A bit more.
- 19:04Speaker 2: And the ambulance were trying to resuscitate some of them.
- 19:12Speaker 2: I was just hoping that the kids would survive and recover.
- 19:18Speaker 2: I just didn't really know what to think at the time.
- 19:22Speaker 2: Didn't know what had happened. Didn't know what caused the fire.
- 19:25Speaker 2: I just didn't know anything.
- 19:28Speaker 1: Tragically, five of Philpott's children died at the scene, 10-year-old Jade,
- 19:33Speaker 1: 9-year-old John, 8-year-old Jack, 6-year-old Jesse, and Jayden, who was
- 19:39Speaker 1: just 5 years old. Their older brother, 13-year-old Duane, was
- 19:44Speaker 1: rushed to hospital in a critical condition but would later
- 19:47Speaker 1: succumb to his injuries.
- 19:52Speaker 3: It almost defies self-deception.
- 19:55Speaker 4: It is disgraceful.
- 19:58Speaker 3: But at the outset, the police believe that this is
- 20:01Speaker 3: something that has genuinely a tragedy. Six children, no adults
- 20:06Speaker 3: in the house. You might ask, why weren't there any
- 20:08Speaker 3: adults in the house?
- 20:10Speaker 1: Forensic experts arrived at the scene and began to look
- 20:14Speaker 1: for clues to determine the source of the fire. Daniel
- 20:17Speaker 1: Matthews was part of the team.
- 20:20Speaker 9: Mostly the house was pretty much undamaged. The roof was intact,
- 20:24Speaker 9: the walls were intact. The front door was noticeably more
- 20:28Speaker 9: damaged than anywhere else. And also the window on the landing,
- 20:32Speaker 9: there's a small window on the landing upstairs that had
- 20:34Speaker 9: been damaged by the fire and had dropped out. But
- 20:37Speaker 9: apart from that, the only way you could really tell
- 20:39Speaker 9: there was a fire at the house was by small
- 20:41Speaker 9: signs of some soot coming out from the vents at
- 20:43Speaker 9: the top of some of the double-glazed windows. The fire
- 20:46Speaker 9: had started in the entrance hallway behind the front door.
- 20:49Speaker 9: And from there, it had spread a little bit into
- 20:51Speaker 9: the living room, but mostly it had spread up the stairs.
- 20:54Speaker 9: The window at the very top of the stairs was
- 20:56Speaker 9: open a little bit, and that had been breached by
- 20:58Speaker 9: the fire. Now, obviously, fire tends to go up and out, so... Effectively,
- 21:03Speaker 9: the stairwell from a fire in there would act almost
- 21:05Speaker 9: like a chimney. The fire and the hot gases and
- 21:08Speaker 9: the fumes would mostly go upstairs.
- 21:10Speaker 1: In cooperation with the fire investigators, the forensic team needed
- 21:14Speaker 1: to find out if the blaze was accidental or if
- 21:17Speaker 1: someone had started it on purpose.
- 21:20Speaker 9: We had an arson dog handler with us that day.
- 21:22Speaker 9: That dog is trained to indicate on various different ignitable
- 21:25Speaker 9: liquids such as petrol, diesel, white spirits and the things
- 21:28Speaker 9: that we commonly see in arsons. and the dog clearly
- 21:33Speaker 9: indicated that he thought something was present. So we would
- 21:37Speaker 9: take a sample from that area, and then it would
- 21:39Speaker 9: be sent for analysis, and the analysis determined that petrol
- 21:42Speaker 9: was there. When I completed my scene examination, I was
- 21:45Speaker 9: able to say that the fire had been started deliberately.
- 21:50Speaker 1: As the sun rose on the morning of Friday, May 11th, 2012,
- 21:54Speaker 1: the true horror of the house fire on Victory Road
- 21:58Speaker 1: in Derby became apparent. Investigations had revealed that the blaze
- 22:03Speaker 1: which had killed six children had been started deliberately. Bereaved father,
- 22:09Speaker 1: Mick Philpot, had seemingly made desperate attempts to save them.
- 22:14Speaker 1: But in reality, he had orchestrated the whole thing to
- 22:18Speaker 1: try and win custody of five of his other children
- 22:22Speaker 1: from his former mistress.
- 22:24Speaker 8: I think Philpott thought that nobody would ever leave him
- 22:27Speaker 8: because he was so amazing. So I think it was
- 22:29Speaker 8: a combination of everything. When somebody leaves you, there's another
- 22:34Speaker 8: thing that happens with the human brain. It's like jealousy
- 22:37Speaker 8: automatically happens, right? For one reason, we are all... And
- 22:44Speaker 8: in Philpott's case even more, because he was so self-absorbed,
- 22:47Speaker 8: you think you are the best thing on earth.
- 22:49Speaker 5: Mick Philpott's plan was essentially to exact revenge on Lisa.
- 22:54Speaker 5: He'd moved from trying to control her by keeping her
- 22:57Speaker 5: in a relationship with him to trying to destroy her
- 23:00Speaker 5: for leaving it. He was vile towards her. He made
- 23:04Speaker 5: threats towards her through other people. She was incredibly frightened.
- 23:08Speaker 5: And what he was trying to do was essentially create
- 23:11Speaker 5: a story, create a set of events that he could
- 23:14Speaker 5: blame her for.
- 23:15Speaker 8: I think what convinced him that this thing would work
- 23:17Speaker 8: was himself, you know, his stupidity and his self-absorption. He thought,
- 23:22Speaker 8: I'm too good, this plan is infallible.
- 23:26Speaker 1: On Saturday, the 12th of May, the day after the fire,
- 23:30Speaker 1: Philpott's ex-mistress Lisa and her brother-in-law were arrested on suspicion
- 23:35Speaker 1: of starting the blaze. it seemed that Philpott's plan to
- 23:39Speaker 1: frame her was working out, but they were soon released
- 23:43Speaker 1: without charge.
- 23:46Speaker 4: Police were treating the.
- 23:47Speaker 1: Deliberate fire as a murder investigation after it was confirmed
- 23:51Speaker 1: that petrol had been found inside the letterbox.
- 23:55Speaker 3: The police start to talk to the neighbors, who point
- 23:58Speaker 3: out that Philpott is this conceited pig of a man,
- 24:02Speaker 3: and they begin to put together what actually happened. They
- 24:07Speaker 3: find evidence of a petrol can. They find a glove.
- 24:12Speaker 1: Detectives began to grow suspicious of the Philpotts and their
- 24:16Speaker 1: possible motives. On Wednesday 16th May 2012, Mick Philpott held
- 24:22Speaker 1: an emotional press conference, unaware that he was the police's
- 24:27Speaker 1: number one suspect.
- 24:29Speaker 8: Didn't Philpott know that that the police has experts on
- 24:34Speaker 8: reading people. You know, they have people who are trained
- 24:36Speaker 8: for years on reading body language, facial expressions, eye movement,
- 24:42Speaker 8: voice intonation, you know, everything.
- 24:45Speaker 1: Philpott appeared to be distraught when he faced the cameras
- 24:48Speaker 1: with a visibly grief-stricken Mirade. He started to thank people
- 24:52Speaker 1: who'd tried to help on the night of the fire.
- 24:56Speaker 10: And, of course, the four firemen, the police, the ambulances,
- 24:59Speaker 10: the doctors, the nurses... Literally everybody who tried to help
- 25:06Speaker 10: save our children, they couldn't.
- 25:09Speaker 1: One intrigued viewer was body language expert Robert Phipps.
- 25:14Speaker 11: Mick Philpott is very controlled throughout the whole interview, making
- 25:18Speaker 11: a point of thanking everybody else, but not really mentioning
- 25:21Speaker 11: the children that have just died. The signals that he
- 25:24Speaker 11: gives off are not in the normal range of somebody
- 25:27Speaker 11: expressing grief, anxiety, sadness. which he should do having just
- 25:32Speaker 11: lost his children. Somebody normally expressing grief, you would see
- 25:36Speaker 11: contorting of the face, not just one consistent look. And
- 25:40Speaker 11: this is what you have with Mick, is one consistent
- 25:42Speaker 11: look throughout the whole thing. His face is not going
- 25:45Speaker 11: through the turmoil as compared to Mairead, who you see
- 25:49Speaker 11: her eyebrows are moving, her forehead has got different wrinkles
- 25:52Speaker 11: in it. Her face is just contorted with pain. We
- 25:55Speaker 11: don't see any of that from Mick.
- 25:58Speaker 3: If ever evidence were needed of Philpott's capacity for being disingenuous,
- 26:05Speaker 3: for convincing the world, and I suspect himself into the bargain,
- 26:09Speaker 3: that he alone was right. It was in the classic
- 26:13Speaker 3: case of his crocodile tears during the televised press conference.
- 26:19Speaker 3: Those tears were yet further evidence of his capacity for self-delusion,
- 26:26Speaker 3: which is one of the hallmarks of his life, along
- 26:29Speaker 3: with the capacity to believe that he alone can dictate
- 26:32Speaker 3: what happens to the world.
- 26:33Speaker 11: Right from the beginning, Mick Philpott's body language is inconsistent
- 26:37Speaker 11: with somebody showing grief. His blinking rate is far, far
- 26:40Speaker 11: too high. The normal range is around about 20, 25
- 26:44Speaker 11: blinks per minute. We counted in this as much as
- 26:46Speaker 11: 80 to 90 blinks a minute. This is showing his nervousness.
- 26:51Speaker 11: Mick is dabbing away with his tissue here to imaginary tears.
- 26:55Speaker 11: They're not there, therefore the tissue itself doesn't get wet,
- 26:59Speaker 11: it doesn't crumple. If you look at that in comparison
- 27:02Speaker 11: to Mairead's tissue, it's all crumpled because she is actually
- 27:05Speaker 11: expressing tears, real genuine tears. If you look at the
- 27:09Speaker 11: lines on their forehead, these are just straight lines.
- 27:12Speaker 4: There's no expression.
- 27:13Speaker 11: These are his normal everyday lines.
- 27:16Speaker 7: If you look at Mairead's face, she's raised her eyebrows.
- 27:19Speaker 11: They've come in, so she's got a furrowed brow and
- 27:22Speaker 11: she's pulling these eyebrows in, which shows the pain that
- 27:24Speaker 11: she's going through. You can also see the way her mouth,
- 27:29Speaker 11: is contorted and changing with each expression of different emotions.
- 27:34Speaker 11: Mick is consistent all the way through. One thing that
- 27:37Speaker 11: they don't do throughout the entire press conference is appeal
- 27:41Speaker 11: for help. Who set this fire?
- 27:43Speaker 4: Who killed these children?
- 27:46Speaker 6: Why?
- 27:47Speaker 7: Because he knows he did it.
- 27:49Speaker 4: It wasn't just the police who were suspicious.
- 27:52Speaker 1: Philpott's performance had baffled the onlooking press too.
- 27:57Speaker 6: At the end of it, I got in the car
- 27:59Speaker 6: to drive back to the office and I thought, that's
- 28:01Speaker 6: not right. Something's not right about that. He's not once
- 28:04Speaker 6: mentioned the children. He's not mentioned them by name. He's
- 28:08Speaker 6: not looked into any cameras and said, please will someone
- 28:12Speaker 6: out there help me find out who's done this. It's
- 28:15Speaker 6: a suspicious fire in his own home. and not once
- 28:18Speaker 6: has he made an appeal to the public, to anyone
- 28:20Speaker 6: who's watching, you know, please, anyone with information, come forward.
- 28:24Speaker 7: Not once.
- 28:25Speaker 6: So then I got back to the office, and as
- 28:27Speaker 6: I walked in, I could see everyone was still stood
- 28:30Speaker 6: around the TV, and we all looked at each other,
- 28:34Speaker 6: and that was the moment that we all knew, you know,
- 28:38Speaker 6: something's wrong here.
- 28:39Speaker 7: This is a game-changer.
- 28:42Speaker 3: Disingenuous would be a polite way of describing it, It
- 28:46Speaker 3: is typical of a man who believes he alone rules
- 28:51Speaker 3: the world. He is an emperor of everything he surveys.
- 28:56Speaker 3: He is a man whose vanity knows no bounds, a
- 28:58Speaker 3: man for whom he is the center of the universe,
- 29:02Speaker 3: which in the end convinced the police that he wasn't
- 29:06Speaker 3: telling the truth, that he seemed so capable of this
- 29:11Speaker 3: kind of sleight of hand. He may have convinced himself,
- 29:14Speaker 3: but he didn't convince many other people I.
- 29:16Speaker 5: Think he's such a narcissist, he's so arrogant and he
- 29:20Speaker 5: thinks he's gotten away with it, that he thinks he's invincible.
- 29:23Speaker 5: He thinks that his act, as he's fooled many women
- 29:27Speaker 5: over the years, is going to fool the rest of us,
- 29:29Speaker 5: and it certainly didn't.
- 29:31Speaker 1: The residents of Victory Road who'd rallied round the family
- 29:35Speaker 1: also started to wonder what was going on.
- 29:37Speaker 2: Their behaviour was strange. He did ask me if he
- 29:44Speaker 2: thought the police, he said he thought the police.
- 29:46Speaker 4: Was blaming him.
- 29:48Speaker 2: He did say that to me. They think he did
- 29:51Speaker 2: it and stuff like that.
- 29:52Speaker 1: 88 officers working on the case had taken over 5,000
- 29:58Speaker 1: statements from local residents, some of which suggested that the
- 30:02Speaker 1: police themselves had made more of an effort to save
- 30:06Speaker 1: the six children than the Philpotts. On May 29th, 2012,
- 30:10Speaker 1: 18 days after the fatal blaze, Mick Philpott and his
- 30:15Speaker 1: wife Mireille were arrested on suspicion of murder.
- 30:21Speaker 6: And again, that was another strange scenario because I was
- 30:25Speaker 6: sat at my desk and a press release pings into
- 30:29Speaker 6: my inbox that says a 56-year-old man and a 31-year-old
- 30:33Speaker 6: woman have been arrested on suspicion of murder in connection
- 30:36Speaker 6: with the Victory Road fire. And immediately I stood up
- 30:40Speaker 6: and I shouted over to News Desk that the Phil
- 30:44Speaker 6: Potts had been arrested on.
- 30:46Speaker 7: Suspicion of murder.
- 30:47Speaker 3: And.
- 30:49Speaker 6: That was the second time in two weeks that we
- 30:50Speaker 6: ran a special edition of the newspaper and that had
- 30:53Speaker 6: never happened before. Although the police wouldn't confirm on the
- 30:55Speaker 6: record that this is who it was, we got confirmation
- 30:58Speaker 6: via other sources that it, you know, if.
- 31:00Speaker 7: We said it's the Phil Potts that's been arrested, would
- 31:02Speaker 7: we be wrong?
- 31:03Speaker 3: No.
- 31:04Speaker 1: On the 22nd of June, funeral services for 13-year-old Duane,
- 31:08Speaker 1: 10-year-old Jade, 9-year-old John, 8-year-old Jack.
- 31:14Speaker 1: 6-year-old Jesse and 5-year-old Jayden were held at St. Mary's
- 31:19Speaker 1: Catholic Church in Derby. In the days after the deadly fire,
- 31:26Speaker 1: the local community had raised more than 15,000 pounds to
- 31:31Speaker 1: pay for the funerals. Mick and Mireille Philpott were not
- 31:35Speaker 1: allowed to attend.
- 31:37Speaker 6: It's very close-knit, Allentown. Derby as a city is a
- 31:41Speaker 6: small city, but it's a very proud city. and Allenton
- 31:46Speaker 6: and some of the neighbouring areas to it and some
- 31:48Speaker 6: of the, I hasten to use the word poorer areas,
- 31:52Speaker 6: but the less affluent areas, it's very close-knit, really close-knit.
- 31:57Speaker 7: I mean, the outpouring of emotion from the community was huge.
- 32:02Speaker 1: On 5th November, a further arrest was made. Forensic evidence
- 32:07Speaker 1: had found petrol on the clothing of not just Mick
- 32:10Speaker 1: and Mireille Philpott, but also their friend Paul Mosley. All
- 32:14Speaker 1: three were originally charged with murder, but in December, these
- 32:18Speaker 1: charges were downgraded to manslaughter. The police accepted that although
- 32:23Speaker 1: they'd started the blaze, they had not intended.
- 32:26Speaker 4: To kill the children.
- 32:28Speaker 3: It beggars belief to me that this charge is downgraded
- 32:33Speaker 3: to manslaughter because, according to the statements at the time, Philpott,
- 32:41Speaker 3: his wife, and Mosley didn't mean to kill the children.
- 32:46Speaker 3: It's a tiny semi-detached house, and you've got six small children,
- 32:49Speaker 3: and you've set fire to it. How can you not
- 32:52Speaker 3: expect at least one of those children to die? It
- 32:57Speaker 3: defies belief to me.
- 32:59Speaker 1: At a hearing on December 17th, all three pleaded not
- 33:04Speaker 1: guilty to manslaughter, meaning a trial would have to take place.
- 33:09Speaker 1: On the 12th of February 2013 at Nottingham Crown Court,
- 33:13Speaker 1: prosecutors set out to prove that Mick Philpott had made
- 33:17Speaker 1: a plan that went horribly wrong. Local reporter Martin Naylor
- 33:22Speaker 1: was in the courtroom.
- 33:24Speaker 6: I remember Mick when he gave evidence talking about hearing
- 33:26Speaker 6: a whooshing noise. When you light petrol, you're not lighting
- 33:30Speaker 6: the fluid, you're lighting the fumes that's come off it.
- 33:33Speaker 6: And in the time that it's taken for someone to
- 33:34Speaker 6: put the petrol through the letterbox and then for someone...
- 33:38Speaker 6: probably him, to light it, you know, this vapour was all.
- 33:42Speaker 7: Up in the air. There was a huge whoosh.
- 33:44Speaker 6: What he was describing was the whoosh of the fire
- 33:47Speaker 6: going flying up the stairs. Now, those stairs had also
- 33:50Speaker 6: been recently painted with, I think, yacht varnish or yacht paint,
- 33:54Speaker 6: which is highly flammable. So the children, although there were
- 33:58Speaker 6: working smoke alarms in there, they had no chance. They
- 34:02Speaker 6: literally had no chance. And obviously the cause of death
- 34:06Speaker 6: was the effects of smoke inhalation.
- 34:08Speaker 1: Forensic expert Daniel Matthews was called to give evidence.
- 34:13Speaker 9: I did some DNA work on the petrol cans that
- 34:15Speaker 9: were found and I did some DNA work on some
- 34:18Speaker 9: items of clothing that were found in the house to
- 34:20Speaker 9: determine whether or not they could have been worn by
- 34:22Speaker 9: occupants of the house. And I did some microscopic burn
- 34:25Speaker 9: damage examination which would have potentially indicated whether a wearer
- 34:29Speaker 9: of some items of clothing could have been close to
- 34:32Speaker 9: an ignitable liquid when it was ignited.
- 34:35Speaker 1: But because of the ferocity of the fire, no evidence
- 34:38Speaker 1: remained inside the house. However, traces of petrol had been
- 34:43Speaker 1: found on all three of the defendants' clothes. In one
- 34:47Speaker 1: of the trial's key moments, Mick Philpott was asked to
- 34:50Speaker 1: give his version of the events from the night that
- 34:54Speaker 1: led to the tragic death of six of his own children.
- 34:58Speaker 6: When Mick took the stand, he was the showman that
- 35:00Speaker 6: he always was. Again, he was crying or supposedly crying
- 35:04Speaker 6: in the dark. But the prosecution saw through all that.
- 35:09Speaker 6: I don't think there was one single thing that nailed him.
- 35:13Speaker 6: I think it was just the case just built up
- 35:15Speaker 6: and built up and built up and was so strong,
- 35:17Speaker 6: it was almost like piling bricks on top of him,
- 35:19Speaker 6: just waiting for him to collapse. And I think his
- 35:22Speaker 6: collapse came in his cross-examination because his denials were just
- 35:26Speaker 6: absolutely ripped apart.
- 35:28Speaker 5: During the trial, what we've got to remember is that
- 35:30Speaker 5: this is essentially another stage on which Mick Philpott performs.
- 35:35Speaker 5: He is playing to an audience. There are several outbursts
- 35:39Speaker 5: of anger. And when his relatives shout at him in court,
- 35:44Speaker 5: he shouts back at them and he sticks his middle
- 35:46Speaker 5: finger up to them. So he really is incredibly defiant.
- 35:51Speaker 5: He's incredibly showman-like in his personality. He wants to be
- 35:55Speaker 5: the centre of attention. He knows that the media circus
- 35:58Speaker 5: is still going on and he wants to be the ringleader.
- 36:01Speaker 1: On April 2nd, 2013, after an emotionally exhausting eight-week trial,
- 36:07Speaker 1: the jury found the trio guilty of manslaughter.
- 36:11Speaker 6: I recall one of Mairead's sisters standing up in the
- 36:14Speaker 6: public gallery and shouting to her, I knew on day
- 36:17Speaker 6: one you'd done this. I knew you'd done this before
- 36:20Speaker 6: storming out. It was the first time that we'd effectively
- 36:24Speaker 6: live blogged from court. We'd been given permission by the judge,
- 36:27Speaker 6: and my fingers were trembling as I was, you know,
- 36:31Speaker 6: typing things out to send back to the office for
- 36:33Speaker 6: them to, on the website straightaway, guilty verdict, guilty verdict.
- 36:38Speaker 1: On April 4th, 2013, during sentencing, Judge Mrs Justice Thirlwall
- 36:44Speaker 1: told the trio,'' All three of you are responsible for
- 36:48Speaker 1: the deliberate setting of that fire.
- 36:50Speaker 4: All three of you are responsible for those deaths.
- 36:54Speaker 1: Mireille Philpott and Paul Mosley were each sentenced to 17 years.
- 36:58Speaker 1: 56-year-old Mick Philpott was sentenced to life. He was immediately
- 37:06Speaker 1: sent to Wakefield Prison in West Yorkshire. Mrs Justice Thirlwall
- 37:11Speaker 1: described him as a disturbingly dangerous man and as the
- 37:15Speaker 1: driving force behind the wicked plan.
- 37:19Speaker 3: In my opinion, Philpott should have been given a whole
- 37:21Speaker 3: life term, and I do not approve of whole life terms,
- 37:24Speaker 3: but I cannot think of anyone who more richly deserves
- 37:28Speaker 3: to spend the rest of his life behind bars than
- 37:31Speaker 3: Mick Philpott, who killed six of his own children. He
- 37:35Speaker 3: is a man who deserves nothing but the greatest contempt,
- 37:40Speaker 3: and I cannot understand, I will never understand, why he
- 37:44Speaker 3: was not charged and convicted of murder.
- 37:47Speaker 6: One small mercy it is that they would probably have
- 37:50Speaker 6: died very quickly, but that didn't really help the poor
- 37:52Speaker 6: firefighters who had to give evidence and tell about bringing
- 37:56Speaker 6: the bodies out of the house and putting them on
- 37:57Speaker 6: the lawn and trying to keep them alive outside.
- 38:00Speaker 1: For the neighbors who tried to rescue the children, it
- 38:03Speaker 1: was an emotional moment.
- 38:04Speaker 2: I was relieved that it was over. I was a
- 38:07Speaker 2: bit shocked that it was him. Because if you did
- 38:12Speaker 2: see him with his kids, his family, Very heartbreaking. Because
- 38:22Speaker 2: he did love his kids. He showed that very much.
- 38:26Speaker 2: I think it was some sort of ploy to get
- 38:30Speaker 2: something out of. I didn't think it was meant to
- 38:32Speaker 2: spread that fast to fire. I didn't think it was
- 38:34Speaker 2: meant to kill anyone. I think it was a very
- 38:38Speaker 2: stupid thing to do. And unfortunately he paid for it.
- 38:44Speaker 1: The case has had a lasting effect on the nation,
- 38:48Speaker 1: nowhere more so than in Derby itself.
- 38:51Speaker 6: I think the initial impact was massive. I think it
- 38:55Speaker 6: was huge. Certainly at the time of the fire and
- 38:58Speaker 6: in the next almost year until the guilty verdict came in,
- 39:02Speaker 6: it was the biggest story that Derby's ever seen. I
- 39:07Speaker 6: once thought to myself and I once said that I
- 39:11Speaker 6: didn't think Derby would get over this. I thought it
- 39:13Speaker 6: was too big and too tragic a story for a
- 39:16Speaker 6: city the size of Derby.
- 39:18Speaker 7: Could forget.
- 39:20Speaker 4: But it has.
- 39:21Speaker 6: And it's got stronger. The city's definitely got stronger. It's
- 39:24Speaker 6: united people. And he is the common enemy of the city.
- 39:30Speaker 6: where he was born and raised.
- 39:32Speaker 1: Philpott was the evil ringleader in a despicable plan that
- 39:37Speaker 1: led to the death of six innocent children.
- 39:40Speaker 8: To me, it sounds like Philpott was more upset that
- 39:43Speaker 8: the plan didn't work than the loss of the kids.
- 39:46Speaker 8: I think he will hit them. I think it hits
- 39:49Speaker 8: any father, you know, unless you are a 100% psychopath,
- 39:55Speaker 8: which is like you have zero emotions towards other human
- 39:58Speaker 8: beings and you pretend everything. And I don't think he
- 40:01Speaker 8: was that detached.
- 40:03Speaker 5: I think that Mick Philpott did an incredibly evil and
- 40:06Speaker 5: an incredibly selfish thing. He was essentially looking to get
- 40:10Speaker 5: revenge for a perceived wrong against him by a woman
- 40:14Speaker 5: who he thought was under his control. The most tragic
- 40:17Speaker 5: part of this case is the fact that six children's
- 40:21Speaker 5: lives were lost in Mick Philpott's attempts to basically rescue
- 40:26Speaker 5: his own ego. My view of him as a criminologist,
- 40:30Speaker 5: he was an incredibly narcissistic and a very dangerous man.
- 40:34Speaker 5: He was always going to result in somebody else being harmed.
- 40:37Speaker 5: His actions would always lead to someone else coming to
- 40:40Speaker 5: harm because it was all about him. He never had
- 40:43Speaker 5: any empathy, any concern for anybody else.
- 40:46Speaker 3: There is not one single word you can find to
- 40:49Speaker 3: explain or apologise for his actions. Seldom have I ever
- 40:53Speaker 3: thought of someone as grotesque and as thoughtless and as
- 41:00Speaker 3: vain as Philpott is. There is something about him that
- 41:04Speaker 3: genuinely does send a chill down your spine.
- 41:08Speaker 1: Mick Philpott is a greedy and selfish man. His lust
- 41:12Speaker 1: for revenge on a woman who left him led to
- 41:15Speaker 1: the death of six of his own children. He may
- 41:19Speaker 1: not have meant to have killed them, but his devious
- 41:22Speaker 1: plan in which he involved his wife and a friend
- 41:25Speaker 1: meant that Duane, Jade, John, Jack, Jesse and Jayden died
- 41:32Speaker 1: in the most horrific way. The city of Derby now
- 41:36Speaker 1: chooses to remember them and not the name of Mick Philpot,
- 41:41Speaker 1: one of the world's most evil killers.