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Furness Show 1-21: Stewart Mandel, Eno Sarris, Mike Holmgren · The Ian Furness Show

• 0:00
  Speaker 1: All right, let's just get into the Seahawks and the
• 0:04
  Speaker 1: situation right now with the injuries and the preparations and
• 0:08
  Speaker 1: everything for the NFC Championship game coming up on Sunday
• 0:11
  Speaker 1: at three thirty Pacific time. It is. Mark asked me
• 0:18
  Speaker 1: about about Charles Cross. What I got out of watching
• 0:22
  Speaker 1: Mike McDonald's news conference. A. Charles Cross is fine. They're
• 0:25
  Speaker 1: managing him. They're gonna just it's he's your starting left
• 0:29
  Speaker 1: tackle on a normal week in the season. He's a
• 0:33
  Speaker 1: guy that you would probably be giving a maintenance day
• 0:36
  Speaker 1: anyway sometimes. So the fact they took him out when
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  Speaker 1: the game was already over on Sunday or Saturday, I'm
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  Speaker 1: not concerned all about Charles Cross. Be nice to have
• 0:45
  Speaker 1: Josh Jones as a backup. That is still iffy. That's
• 0:49
  Speaker 1: like the one little iffy thing we all know. Charbonnat's out.
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  Speaker 1: The news I liked that I heard was George Halaane's
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  Speaker 1: is probably gonna play Sunday. You know, with these guys
• 1:00
  Speaker 1: go on the injured list, sometimes you kind of forget
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  Speaker 1: about him, especially a guy like Kilani. He was he
• 1:04
  Speaker 1: was the number three running back, but he was the
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  Speaker 1: number three guy that earned the number three spot coming
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  Speaker 1: out of training camp. He beat out Damien Martinez, who
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  Speaker 1: was a draft pick this year, who we all thought
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  Speaker 1: was going to make the team. And I say we,
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  Speaker 1: I mean I'm not just saying me like a lot
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  Speaker 1: of us out there watching practice, watching training camp, watching
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  Speaker 1: mini camps or anything else that damn man like, there's
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  Speaker 1: a he's like, Damian Martin is gonna make the football
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  Speaker 1: team and he didn't. George Halani did over him. Martinez
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  Speaker 1: on the practice squad for a while and then signed elsewhere.
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  Speaker 1: But Jilani's earned a spot. Runs hard, can play special teams,
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  Speaker 1: good third down back, can fill a role. That's a
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  Speaker 1: nice boost. He's not Zach Charboney, but the drop off
• 1:44
  Speaker 1: from Charbone to anybody not named Hailani is a lot steeper.
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  Speaker 1: So that's good news. If you're a Seahawk fan like
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  Speaker 1: you should be happy with that. The fact that you're
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  Speaker 1: gonna see that Halanie is more than likely going to
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  Speaker 1: play this week. Joan or Cross should be fine as well.
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  Speaker 1: The Sam Darnold thing, this is where, now that we've
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  Speaker 1: gone through it for a week, we can all take
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  Speaker 1: a deep breath and relax. Darnold will be listed as
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  Speaker 1: limited because he's not going to take every rep.
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  Speaker 2: Uh.
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  Speaker 1: And then Charles Cross will be listed as limited because
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  Speaker 1: he's not going to take every rep. Deep breath when
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  Speaker 1: you hear that, you see that, don't worry, it's fine.
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  Speaker 1: We're okay. They might even be listed as questionable come Friday.
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  Speaker 1: That might even be one of That might even be
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  Speaker 1: something you see again, that's okay. It's okay because there's
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  Speaker 1: no more probable on the injury report. But I felt
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  Speaker 1: pretty good hearing those guys talk about it. But holand
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  Speaker 1: getting George Halnni back is good, is good. That's a
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  Speaker 1: big thing. That's a we'll talk about that with Corbyn.
• 2:40
  Speaker 1: The president of the George Holane fan Club is Corbyn Smith.
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  Speaker 1: He'll be on with us tomorrow. And I say that
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  Speaker 1: like dead serious. Corben Smith got a shout out on
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  Speaker 1: the NFL network today. Did he what you give?
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  Speaker 3: I think it was, uh, what's the actor's name? Josh
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  Speaker 3: Lucas was on with them and he says he watches
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  Speaker 3: locked on Seahawks high and Corbyn Smith, so it was great.
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  Speaker 3: They were talking to He was talking about how was
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  Speaker 3: a big sea Oxyn.
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  Speaker 1: He didn't mention Anderson Hurst or Rob rang.
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  Speaker 3: Now unfortunately just the star of the show, to be honest,
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  Speaker 3: Well apparently that's who was the actor Josh Lucas.
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  Speaker 1: And help me. He's very good looking. Yeah, okay, great,
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  Speaker 1: recognize his voice? That is that? What is I MBD
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  Speaker 1: or whatever? Page? Very good, very good, very good looking. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: if you hear you'll recognize me s Sweet Home in
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  Speaker 1: Alabama with Reese Witherspoon. I know the movie. I don't
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  Speaker 1: think that. Okay, he's in that. He's the first husband
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  Speaker 1: you recognized.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, you'd recognize his voice as the Home Depot guy
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  Speaker 3: every Home Deepot commercial.
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  Speaker 1: Well he gave you Yellowstone. Yeah, I think he was too. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: good for him. All right, that's cool. Anyways, sorry we digress. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: that's fine, it's cool. That's awesome for you guys. Okay, good.
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  Speaker 1: Uh yeah, but Corbyn is the friend of the George
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  Speaker 1: Loney fan clubs. We'll have him on tomorrow home. We're
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  Speaker 1: coming up a two o'clock too. But I do we
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  Speaker 1: have a sound bye from Sam Darold yep, yep, okay, uh,
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  Speaker 1: set this up for me again, Jess.
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  Speaker 4: It was just him talking, yeah, sation, preparation and you know,
• 4:04
  Speaker 4: facing the Lams once again.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, here going and you know it's it's I kind
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  Speaker 1: of like the mentality as they get ready for this
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  Speaker 1: meeting God number three on the year with these guys.
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  Speaker 5: They're a really good team. Obviously, it's the NFC Championship,
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  Speaker 5: so you know, two best teams in the NFC going
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  Speaker 5: at it. So yeah, it's a it's a really good
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  Speaker 5: opportunity to just play good football. You know, have that
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  Speaker 5: kind of next opponent, next game mentality. You know, obviously
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  Speaker 5: we know the stakes kind of like I said last week,
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  Speaker 5: you know the stakes of the game. You know it's
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  Speaker 5: winner go home at this point. But you know, we
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  Speaker 5: we look at it as another game. You know, we
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  Speaker 5: trust our process throughout the week and go about it
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  Speaker 5: that way.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's an interesting way to look at things.
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  Speaker 1: Everyone wants to compare this team with the old team
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  Speaker 1: and and the Pete Carroll teams, the Super Bowl teams.
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  Speaker 1: Then the last time they went to the NFC Championship.
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  Speaker 1: When you hear him speak about it like that, it's
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  Speaker 1: a little bit different. There was a sense of urgency
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  Speaker 1: every week, and we kind of got to be a
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  Speaker 1: point where we're you know, almost mocking it to a
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  Speaker 1: point or having fun with it. Every week was a
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  Speaker 1: championship week with Pete Carroll every week Championship week like
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  Speaker 1: and they're on like a ten every single week. McDonald,
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  Speaker 1: I think just goes about business differently and the approach
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  Speaker 1: is different. It's just like even keel, here we go.
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  Speaker 1: Now here's a funny thing. The end philosophy is the same.
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  Speaker 1: No one game is bigger than the other. Right, But
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  Speaker 1: there's a little more relaxed tone when you hear Sam
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  Speaker 1: Donald talk and a little more relaxed tone when you
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  Speaker 1: hear Mike McDonald talk. But trust the process during the week,
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  Speaker 1: the trust they have in this guy as a head
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  Speaker 1: coach and his staff. And he's been far from perfect
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  Speaker 1: this year McDonald, Right, I think we'd all agree upon that. Like,
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  Speaker 1: I still go back. I hated the first game of
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  Speaker 1: the year. I hated some of the decisions of the
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  Speaker 1: first game of the year against the forty nine ers.
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  Speaker 1: They didn't go for it, remember on the fourth down.
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  Speaker 1: Didn't love that, But you know what, didn't love the
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  Speaker 1: defense against Tampa Bay for a defensive genius. So like,
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  Speaker 1: he hasn't been perfect, but damn, I'll still say I
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  Speaker 1: think if there's a better coach in the league than
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  Speaker 1: Mike McDonald right now, then his name is probably Kyle
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  Speaker 1: Shanahan or Sean McVay, and I think maybe it ends
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  Speaker 1: right about there. Sean Payton probably is in that conversation
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  Speaker 1: with the Denver Broncos. But we'll see what Peyton does.
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  Speaker 1: They get to the super Bowl with Jared Stidham, and
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  Speaker 1: that's a that's a conversation about Hall of Fame coach
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  Speaker 1: worthy kind of like you want to hear about how
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  Speaker 1: great job that Kyle Shanahan did it throughout the year.
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  Speaker 1: I Sean Payton gets those guys with Jared Stidham in
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  Speaker 1: the super Bowl, that's a hell of a job. But
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  Speaker 1: the conversation is the same. These guys are the elite
• 6:31
  Speaker 1: coaches the NFL. When thirty percent of the league was
• 6:34
  Speaker 1: looking for a new head coach this season. How good
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  Speaker 1: do you feel as a Seahawk fan knowing your guys
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  Speaker 1: here and he's here for a long haul. Probably the
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  Speaker 1: same as San Francisco does, same as La Rams do,
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  Speaker 1: and probably the Denver Broncos and others like you. There's
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  Speaker 1: a handful of teams, really, and it's a pretty short
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  Speaker 1: list of teams that feel great about their quarterback or
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  Speaker 1: about their their their coach, and then as far as
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  Speaker 1: the game and what Sam Darnold said. I just love
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  Speaker 1: what he said this, Yeah, we're just approaching it. Here
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  Speaker 1: we go. He also did talk about we're they're going
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  Speaker 1: to manage him this week like I'm you know, and
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  Speaker 1: he but he just said I'll be ready to go.
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  Speaker 1: He said when he got out on the field. Then
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  Speaker 1: somebody asked me the condotta like, hey, when did you
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  Speaker 1: feel good? He goes, got out warming up on Saturday
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  Speaker 1: and let her rip a few times. Felt great, and
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  Speaker 1: after that it was not didn't even wasn't even a concern.
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  Speaker 1: So a way to go. Good week for him, good
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  Speaker 1: week for them. Let's get get Hawani coming back is
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  Speaker 1: a great thing as well. So, uh, we'll get to
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  Speaker 1: all that with Mike Holmgren. I'll be curious with Mike. Mike,
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  Speaker 1: like preparing a backup quarterback in this situation, I'm gonna
• 7:34
  Speaker 1: ask Mike about that. How, how what would he be
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  Speaker 1: doing and how truly prepared would he would he be?
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  Speaker 1: I would put Drew Locke in a category that Mike
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  Speaker 1: would be familiar with, like quarterbacks, backup quarterbacks. Mike had
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  Speaker 1: guys that could play, because I remember who his backup
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  Speaker 1: was for a long time in Green Bay, Mark Brunell,
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  Speaker 1: who ended up going and being a longtime starter with Jacksonville, Right,
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  Speaker 1: I mean the former Husky quarterback. So sometimes you feel
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  Speaker 1: little bit better about it. But we'll talk about about
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  Speaker 1: all that with Mike coming up at two o'clock today
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  Speaker 1: as well. All right, we come back, we'll put a
• 8:06
  Speaker 1: bow on the college football season. What's the latest? Is
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  Speaker 1: Darren Mensa the new demand Williams? Is it similar? Is
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  Speaker 1: it different? Is it the same? Duke is gonna sue
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  Speaker 1: his ass? What I kind of like it? Let's get greasy,
• 8:19
  Speaker 1: let's get dirty? And also what does a top twenty
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  Speaker 1: five look like? Is Washington in it? What about our
• 8:23
  Speaker 1: friends the Ducks, USC and more? All that Stuart Mendel.
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  Speaker 1: Three point three kJ r FM. All right, here we go,
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  Speaker 1: checking in with our good friends Stuart Mandel for the
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  Speaker 1: final scheduled visit of the year. I say scheduled because
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  Speaker 1: I don't know. Things in college football seem to be
• 9:16
  Speaker 1: like a lot of other things these days. They're fluid.
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  Speaker 1: There's always something happening. I don't know, Stuart. It feels
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  Speaker 1: like the college football wants to be like the NFL.
• 9:24
  Speaker 1: They want to be in the news cycle twenty four
• 9:26
  Speaker 1: to seven, three sixty five or something. How are you,
• 9:28
  Speaker 1: my friend, I'm good.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, No, it is definitely that way now. But I
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  Speaker 7: think the NFL does a better job of like kind
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  Speaker 7: of controlling that message. Yes, you know, it's it's combine,
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  Speaker 7: it's it's the draft, it's exciting stuff, whereas college football
• 9:42
  Speaker 7: stayed in the news because of lawsuits and congressional build
• 9:47
  Speaker 7: like all the all the nots fun stuff.
• 9:49
  Speaker 1: Well, yeah, because in you know, the NFL wouldn't allow
• 9:52
  Speaker 1: the Seahawks to go steal Matt Stafford from a division
• 9:57
  Speaker 1: rival that probably wouldn't happen. So that's probably where it starts.
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  Speaker 1: Let me before we getting stuff on the field, and
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  Speaker 1: this is fluid. Who knows what could happen in the
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  Speaker 1: next three or four minutes. But what is going on?
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  Speaker 1: What's the latest that you hear with Duke versus Mensa?
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  Speaker 1: There maybe former quarterback.
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  Speaker 7: It's very confusing. There was a there was a hearing yesterday.
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  Speaker 7: Duke could ask for a temperary or staying restraining order
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  Speaker 7: keeping him from going in the portal. We haven't seen
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  Speaker 7: the written order from the judge yet. Is the problem,
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  Speaker 7: but we believe that he well we know that he
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  Speaker 7: granted at least some of that order. I think what
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  Speaker 7: it is that he Duke cannot keep him from rowing
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  Speaker 7: in the portal. Duke will have to put him in
• 10:43
  Speaker 7: the portal. But what k are to do right now
• 10:46
  Speaker 7: is keep him from making any money at Miami. So
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  Speaker 7: until this matter gets you know, resolved at another hearing
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  Speaker 7: or whatnot. So if that's the case, it's putting Mensa
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  Speaker 7: in a tough spot. You know, he like he can
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  Speaker 7: go in the portal, he can pick his next school.
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  Speaker 7: But if there's really a judge, then you can't actually
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  Speaker 7: enroll and start playing at that school.
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  Speaker 1: What do you do? So that's the interesting part because
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  Speaker 1: I let's how the hard question to ask. I guess,
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  Speaker 1: and maybe maybe I'm putting you in a bad switch
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  Speaker 1: situation to answer this because it may be I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: But how different or how similar is this to what
• 11:21
  Speaker 1: we saw with the Mon Williams. The difference, I guess
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  Speaker 1: would be Washington just said no period, no matter. I
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  Speaker 1: don't care what Jetfish says in his old news conference afterwards,
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  Speaker 1: he's they just prevented him from leaving, and Demon Williams said, well,
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  Speaker 1: my only alternative is to come back to Washington. How
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  Speaker 1: different is this situation?
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  Speaker 7: I think they're pretty similar, except that Washington didn't actually
• 11:43
  Speaker 7: go to the length of suing him, like Duke has
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  Speaker 7: already put in a request to do for an arbitration
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  Speaker 7: hearing for his contract. They filed this order, so basically
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  Speaker 7: like Washington, I guess, threatened enough for him to want
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  Speaker 7: to come back, Duke actually like put paper to pen.
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  Speaker 7: But I think I think Men's is still going to
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  Speaker 7: leave because I think Miami's going to pay him so
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  Speaker 7: much that even if he has to take a loss
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  Speaker 7: on the buyout. He would still you know, come out
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  Speaker 7: positive in the end. But it's very I mean, it's
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  Speaker 7: just very complicated. I mean I don't frankly understand half
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  Speaker 7: the stuff I'm telling you right now.
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  Speaker 1: Well and but no, actually, Stuart, I got to correct myself. Uh,
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  Speaker 1: demand Williams came back because he loves Washington, he loves
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  Speaker 1: jetfish and all right, right, right right, So I mean
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  Speaker 1: that's in Jed.
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  Speaker 7: I would say there's one other difference, if if there's
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  Speaker 7: one other big difference, if demon had stayed in the portal.
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  Speaker 7: You know, remember Washington had a Missouri's quarterback on campus,
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  Speaker 7: Like they had time to go get another quarterback. I
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  Speaker 7: don't know if he would have been as good as
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  Speaker 7: Demant Williams, but somebody who's like an actual proven quarterback.
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  Speaker 7: Because Mensa waited until four point thirty after in the
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  Speaker 7: afternoon on the last day the portal was open to
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  Speaker 7: inform them, they're pretty much screwed. I saw the San
• 13:02
  Speaker 7: Jose State quarterback is on campus, but like and their
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  Speaker 7: backup had already gone into portal. Like he really really
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  Speaker 7: put them in.
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  Speaker 1: A bad spot. Student, I'm gonna be the old man,
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  Speaker 1: and maybe just the old man dad now coming in?
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  Speaker 1: What is wrong here? Like what I mean? I know
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  Speaker 1: it's a lot of money, and you know, people will
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  Speaker 1: just go, well, what would you do if it was
• 13:21
  Speaker 1: your kid and that kind of money is being thrown around.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know. I can't answer that, but God just
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  Speaker 1: something tells me that this is just disgusting, like and
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  Speaker 1: because of what you just said, Like okay, like listen,
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  Speaker 1: darny mensug, if you're gona go in the portal, then
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  Speaker 1: you do it, or don't wait till the last second.
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  Speaker 1: Don't put your school in that situation. You know, and
• 13:40
  Speaker 1: you know, Demon Williams, You sign a deal and then
• 13:42
  Speaker 1: somebody comes with a better deal. I've mentioned this before.
• 13:46
  Speaker 1: We live in a world. I live in a world
• 13:48
  Speaker 1: in media. I have two jobs. I have two contracts,
• 13:50
  Speaker 1: one with the hockey team, one with the radio station.
• 13:53
  Speaker 1: I can't break those. I can't just say you know what,
• 13:56
  Speaker 1: like hey, like the New York Rangers called, they want
• 13:58
  Speaker 1: you to do play by play for them to larel
• 14:01
  Speaker 1: that'd be cool. I can't do that. Like, I can't
• 14:04
  Speaker 1: do that. They don't brand X from radio wants me
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  Speaker 1: to come work. I can't do that. I I just
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  Speaker 1: there's something about this. It's just it stinks. I think
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  Speaker 1: there's some I don't know I'm venting to you, Stewart,
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  Speaker 1: my apologies, but I just I just don't.
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  Speaker 7: Like it, nor do I I think though, that we
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  Speaker 7: have to spread the blame around here a little bit,
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  Speaker 7: like you can blame Darien Mensa for for the timing
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  Speaker 7: of it, or is agent Frankly who probably you know,
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  Speaker 7: stirred this up. But like if we want there to
• 14:32
  Speaker 7: be rules and enforceable contracts, then the coaches can't keep
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  Speaker 7: exploiting it. I mean, Andy, craziest thing about this to
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  Speaker 7: me it hasn't really gotten a lot of attension is
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  Speaker 7: that Miami and Duke are in the same conference exactly.
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  Speaker 7: So if Damon Williams had transferred to l s U, right,
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  Speaker 7: it's not like either school's conference has any you know,
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  Speaker 7: authority over the other. The permissioner of the acc could say, guys,
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  Speaker 7: you have to respect each other's contract, like this kid's
• 15:00
  Speaker 7: under contract for another year. You can't go get them.
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  Speaker 7: Or Miami could say we're not going to do that.
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  Speaker 7: So if Mario crystabal in Miami, and by the way,
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  Speaker 7: I should an important caveat, we don't actually know that
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  Speaker 7: that's where he's going. We assume it is, but we
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  Speaker 7: don't know for sure. You know, if you want people
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  Speaker 7: to respect, these coaches complain all the time. It's the
• 15:18
  Speaker 7: wild wild West. You know, it's impossible to well, then
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  Speaker 7: stop poaching each other's players who have a year left
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  Speaker 7: on their contract.
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  Speaker 1: That's that's the thing.
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  Speaker 8: I mean.
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  Speaker 1: The other part of it, too, is like you know
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  Speaker 1: who is? You know who is? Who was? Actually I
• 15:34
  Speaker 1: was kind of going through your top twenty five year
• 15:35
  Speaker 1: all too early, top twenty five arch Manning. I'm looking
• 15:39
  Speaker 1: at who develops their own quarterbacks anymore. Arch Manning's one
• 15:42
  Speaker 1: right is Gunner Stockton. One at Georgia is.
• 15:47
  Speaker 7: One Julian Julians saying. Julian Saying gets counted as a
• 15:50
  Speaker 7: portal guy because he started at Alabama. He transferred after
• 15:53
  Speaker 7: next like two weeks into his time at Alabama after
• 15:55
  Speaker 7: Nick Saban State developed him. You know, those programs at
• 16:02
  Speaker 7: the top of the sport are able to bring in
• 16:05
  Speaker 7: the top quarterbacks out of high school and develop them.
• 16:08
  Speaker 7: To hear everybody else, you know, Indiana could not have
• 16:12
  Speaker 7: gotten the five star quarterback, right they weren't. They were
• 16:15
  Speaker 7: never gonna be in contention for arch Manning, right, but
• 16:19
  Speaker 7: the system affords them the opportunity to say two years later,
• 16:23
  Speaker 7: three years later, well who's out there? Brandom Mendoza, who
• 16:27
  Speaker 7: you know is not at that moment, was not considered
• 16:31
  Speaker 7: the top quarterback by any means, right, but he had
• 16:33
  Speaker 7: shown promise, and we'll pay him two million dollars or
• 16:37
  Speaker 7: whatever it was, and you know, and we're gonna end
• 16:40
  Speaker 7: up getting as much out of him as we would
• 16:41
  Speaker 7: have about the guy, you know as an Ohio States quarterback.
• 16:46
  Speaker 7: They developed out of high school.
• 16:47
  Speaker 1: Thanks, there's more than I'm thinking I'm looking through here.
• 16:49
  Speaker 1: Bear Bachmeyer, b Yu, you got them in your top
• 16:51
  Speaker 1: twenty five. Uh, he would be one.
• 16:53
  Speaker 7: Right Backmeyer though, was at Stanford in the spring all that,
• 16:57
  Speaker 7: even the guys you think, yeah, they started at that school.
• 17:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah, because that's right because then what's his face got
• 17:03
  Speaker 1: kicked out? He was hanging out with his girlfriend too, intimately. Yeah,
• 17:07
  Speaker 1: Marcel Reid, he's one, right has he always been? In
• 17:10
  Speaker 1: Texas A and m Okay, there's a couple. I would
• 17:12
  Speaker 1: just say it's funny too, because you be careful what
• 17:14
  Speaker 1: you pay for sometimes. And I say that like John
• 17:17
  Speaker 1: Mattier with that Oklahoma defense. Oklahoma could have got where
• 17:21
  Speaker 1: they got by paying a lot less to a quarterback
• 17:23
  Speaker 1: than a guy throwing interceptions every series. So it is,
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: it's a it's a wild West right now. A Stuart Mendel.
• 17:29
  Speaker 7: Always very complimentary of the Washington State guys like cam Ward.
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well, hey, cam Wore did himself right. I I
• 17:38
  Speaker 1: didn't like when cam Ward left. I got it, he'd
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: spent two years there, and I think with and and
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: you know, in in for cam he got he got.
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: He was number one pick on the draft. Can't argue
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: with that, Johntteer. And I'll say this, cam Ward, I've
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: said this a bunch of times on our show. Cam
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: Ward competed for our team. Maybe he didn't always do
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: what we wanted him to do. He compete John Mattier
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: and Ben Arbuckle mailed in the final month of the
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: season last year. And I'll and everyone on campus knew
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: that in the program, knew that, and uh, business decisions
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: all the way around. So I don't have a lot
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: of respect for that. But hey, listen, that's the world
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: we live in right now, and that's that's why he's Yeah,
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: go ahead.
• 18:17
  Speaker 7: He's got another year it did seem to me. I mean,
• 18:21
  Speaker 7: we didn't see him for that much before he got hurt,
• 18:23
  Speaker 7: but it did seem like once he come back from
• 18:25
  Speaker 7: the injury, he wasn't the same. Yeah, So I'm interested
• 18:28
  Speaker 7: to see when he's healthy, when he has another year
• 18:31
  Speaker 7: there how he plays this fall. But I do think
• 18:34
  Speaker 7: we all and I'm definitely in this camp, like got
• 18:37
  Speaker 7: a little carried away with him as a you know,
• 18:39
  Speaker 7: high at one point I think he was number one
• 18:41
  Speaker 7: on the He got a little carried away there.
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: It was. He was very much up there. It is
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: Stuart Mandel joining us. All right, Stuart, Indiana, I know
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: you talked about a lot in your mail bag. We
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: talked about it yesterday in the show. Let's put a
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: ball on the Indiana Hoosiers with the the national championship
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: And where this where this story itself, Where the Indiana
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: Hoosiers National Championship story ranks in the in the history
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: books of college football.
• 19:09
  Speaker 7: I think it's the greatest story in college football history.
• 19:13
  Speaker 7: I say modern college football history, because I don't have
• 19:15
  Speaker 7: a good sense of what the best stories were in
• 19:17
  Speaker 7: the eighteen nineties in college football. This was not supposed
• 19:22
  Speaker 7: to be possible like, this is a sport, as you know,
• 19:25
  Speaker 7: that has been dominated by a small club of schools
• 19:28
  Speaker 7: that have the most history and the most money. And
• 19:31
  Speaker 7: it's very hard to crack that, or if you do
• 19:34
  Speaker 7: crack that, Like I think Oregon is a good example
• 19:36
  Speaker 7: of the school that you know, completely changed its perception,
• 19:39
  Speaker 7: but it took twenty years of building. Indiana did it
• 19:42
  Speaker 7: in too. That's not supposed to be possible. This is
• 19:46
  Speaker 7: a program that had the most losses in college football history.
• 19:50
  Speaker 7: At the start of this year. My alma Modern Northwestern
• 19:53
  Speaker 7: passed them, lost enough games to pass them because Indiana
• 19:55
  Speaker 7: refused to lose this year. This should not be possible.
• 19:59
  Speaker 7: And not only did it happen, and I've written this, like,
• 20:02
  Speaker 7: you can't really call them a Cinderella because they were
• 20:05
  Speaker 7: an absolute machine. Like not only did they win the
• 20:07
  Speaker 7: national championship, they were a dominant national champion. They outscored
• 20:10
  Speaker 7: their opponents by almost five hundred points this year. Now,
• 20:13
  Speaker 7: obviously the last game was tough, but as it should be.
• 20:17
  Speaker 7: It's a national championship team. Imy was a really good
• 20:20
  Speaker 7: team regardless of what their seed was. So I mean,
• 20:24
  Speaker 7: I think, you know, it's one of those things where
• 20:26
  Speaker 7: we'll see, we'll we'll see with distance, Like I think
• 20:30
  Speaker 7: twenty nineteen, LSU, we all kind of knew in real time,
• 20:33
  Speaker 7: like this is yeah, we haven't seen somebody like this
• 20:35
  Speaker 7: is unbelievable, right you kind of you didn't need five
• 20:38
  Speaker 7: years to look back and be like, yeah, that team
• 20:39
  Speaker 7: was really good. I think people are little hesitant to
• 20:43
  Speaker 7: put Indiana in that conversation a because it's Indiana and
• 20:46
  Speaker 7: be probably you're not going to see a Jamar Chase
• 20:50
  Speaker 7: and Justin Jefferson and all these guys come off of
• 20:52
  Speaker 7: this team. Although I think Mendoza will be really good.
• 20:56
  Speaker 7: But who knows, you know, five years from now, maybe
• 20:58
  Speaker 7: it turns out that a bunch of those Indiana guys
• 21:00
  Speaker 7: that people didn't think could play at the next level
• 21:04
  Speaker 7: are really good at the next level. I find it
• 21:06
  Speaker 7: hard to believe you can be that dominant in college
• 21:08
  Speaker 7: football beat the teams that they beat with a bunch
• 21:11
  Speaker 7: of like plucky overachievers. Like I think time is going
• 21:16
  Speaker 7: to show us that some of these.
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: Guys are really good. Stuart Mandel joining us. I also
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: I mentioned this on our show yesterday. I'd love to
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: get your thoughts on this. I think too, what we
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: saw was you know, we all know coaching matters, We
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: all get coaching matters. Signette did an incredible job. Coaching
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: is one thing. He had a great staff, and then
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: the talent evaluation was. I mean, that's that's a that's
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: a gift in all levels of football. I mean we
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: see in the NFL, John Schneider one of the great drafts.
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: You know, he had this great draft run in the
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: twenty ten through twenty fourteen with the Seahawks. They won
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: a Super Bowl, went to another one. He's had another
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: great run here with guys like Nick emn warreing all
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: these dudes he's drafted. Talent evaluation matters, and isn't a
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: good example. Maybe you tell me I'm wrong here. Brian
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: Kelly threw a bunch of money at an offensive line
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: at LSU. They weren't very good. Chris Signetty maybe didn't
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: throw as much money around as some other schools, but
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: he knew who to go get and find the culture.
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: I think with Signetty, my most impressive thing with him
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: is his ability to talent evaluate.
• 22:18
  Speaker 7: Yeah, I think you know that's why I love Frankly.
• 22:20
  Speaker 7: But that's when we spent the first parts interview, complaining
• 22:22
  Speaker 7: about the.
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: New the new bottle, the new world.
• 22:24
  Speaker 7: But what I love about the NIL portal era is
• 22:27
  Speaker 7: that it rewards coaches like that who are just con
• 22:31
  Speaker 7: just outsmart everybody in evaluation. And previously, like you know,
• 22:36
  Speaker 7: Nick Saban was known as a really great evaluator, and
• 22:39
  Speaker 7: he was, but he's basically just evaluating which of the
• 22:42
  Speaker 7: five stars he thought were going to be good and
• 22:44
  Speaker 7: which work. You know, Let's see Kirk Farence is a
• 22:48
  Speaker 7: great evaluator, Like he gets these guys to come to
• 22:51
  Speaker 7: Iowa and then four years later their NFL offensive lineman.
• 22:55
  Speaker 7: But you can be the greatest evaluator in the world
• 22:57
  Speaker 7: at Iowa. You're not going to out recruit.
• 22:59
  Speaker 8: This is pre and il.
• 23:00
  Speaker 7: You're not going to out recruit save and you're not
• 23:02
  Speaker 7: going to out recruit Ohio State Kurt Signeto. Kurt Signetti
• 23:05
  Speaker 7: literally did out recruit everybody in the country in the
• 23:08
  Speaker 7: portal by identifying which group of five guys we're going
• 23:12
  Speaker 7: to be able to play at the highest level in
• 23:13
  Speaker 7: the big tons, right. And then also the other layer
• 23:16
  Speaker 7: of that is it rewards the teams that allocate their
• 23:18
  Speaker 7: money in the smartest way. Florida State has spent a
• 23:21
  Speaker 7: lot of money the last two years on some absolutely
• 23:23
  Speaker 7: terrible football teams. They didn't pick the right guys. So
• 23:27
  Speaker 7: I think that's when people talk about the leveling of
• 23:29
  Speaker 7: the sport, it's not. I mean Indiana in case people
• 23:33
  Speaker 7: think like Indiana just like Mark Cuban gave them fifty
• 23:35
  Speaker 7: million dollars, like Indiana did not they they have enough
• 23:39
  Speaker 7: money to compete, they didn't like outspend. I mean, I'm
• 23:42
  Speaker 7: sure the three teams that they beat in the actually
• 23:44
  Speaker 7: going back to the Big Ten championship, Ohio State, Alabama, Oregon,
• 23:50
  Speaker 7: and Miami all probably spent more money than Indiana that
• 23:54
  Speaker 7: they deployed it. Right, So isn't that cool? Like that
• 23:57
  Speaker 7: is who should be.
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: Rewarded in the right right? Yeah, No, I find the guys.
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: I mean that's that's I think that's the most impressive thing.
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: Swear Mendel for a couple more moments. Stuh, you're all
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: too early. Top twenty five for next year is out.
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: Husky fans would be interested to know you have Washington
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: at number nineteen. That's the good news. The bad news
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: is if you're Washington, there's I think six or seven
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: Big Ten teams that you have ranked ahead of them.
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: For what it's worth. How good will the Big Ten
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: be next year?
• 24:26
  Speaker 7: Well, Washington fans can take comfort that I had ten
• 24:28
  Speaker 7: State as the highest Big Ten team just you know
• 24:31
  Speaker 7: going into this season.
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: Well, and I'll point out, you've got, you've got, And
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: they like the fact that you have Oregon then number
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: one this year because you can have met the Oregon
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: haye here runs deep, So then maybe that's a good thing.
• 24:42
  Speaker 7: Look, there's no disputing at this point the Big Tennis
• 24:44
  Speaker 7: past the SEC, it's the best conference. It has the
• 24:48
  Speaker 7: I just think it has more top end programs that
• 24:51
  Speaker 7: are really humming right now in Oregon's one of them.
• 24:53
  Speaker 7: And you know, I'm sure if you're watching, they choke
• 24:55
  Speaker 7: when they get to the big game. Well, a lot
• 24:58
  Speaker 7: of schools would like to be in the semi final
• 25:00
  Speaker 7: of the College Football Playoffs, even if that game didn't
• 25:02
  Speaker 7: go well. And then I just you know, Oregon's got
• 25:05
  Speaker 7: Dante Moore coming back, they got they did really well.
• 25:08
  Speaker 7: In terms of retention, it's not just who you get
• 25:10
  Speaker 7: in the portal, it's who can you retain. So you know,
• 25:14
  Speaker 7: Ohio State will be there as you always expect.
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: Them to be.
• 25:16
  Speaker 7: I don't have any sense of what Indiana will be
• 25:20
  Speaker 7: next year, but you know, I would assume they'll still
• 25:22
  Speaker 7: be really good. And then Washington belongs in that next
• 25:25
  Speaker 7: year with teams like I mean, USC, Michigan, Iowa, teams
• 25:31
  Speaker 7: that I all have ranked kind of in the ten
• 25:33
  Speaker 7: to twenty range that could go either way. Illinois this
• 25:37
  Speaker 7: time last year was a trendy. They'd beaten an SEC
• 25:41
  Speaker 7: team in a bowl game, they'd won ten wins, and
• 25:42
  Speaker 7: we saw them really high and they had a good season,
• 25:46
  Speaker 7: but they didn't, you know, they didn't deliver on that.
• 25:49
  Speaker 7: But then some other big ten teams, I mean Indiana,
• 25:51
  Speaker 7: I had number twenty going into in the early top
• 25:54
  Speaker 7: twenty five this year. So there's not a lot separating
• 25:58
  Speaker 7: those teams. I guess that I are trying to say, Yeah.
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: And the poor little SEC huh, just kind of an
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: afterthought along the way also done.
• 26:07
  Speaker 7: Uh yeah, well, you may have noticed who my number
• 26:10
  Speaker 7: twenty team is this year.
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: It's Alabama. It's Kaylen de Bor's team. I need to
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: notice that. Yeah, yeah, it's.
• 26:17
  Speaker 7: They really got wiped out. Their whole offensive and defensive
• 26:20
  Speaker 7: line got wiped out. Obviously, their quarterback turned pro. It's
• 26:24
  Speaker 7: not looking great for him there.
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: I was going to say that he's gonna I'll be
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: finish with this. Which coach going into the offseason heading
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: in the next fall would be under more pressure? Would
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: it be Caylen de boor Lincoln Riley? Where would we
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: rank the coaching I like a coaching hot seat in January.
• 26:40
  Speaker 7: My friend, I think Calen de Bor is the most
• 26:44
  Speaker 7: pressure just because it's Alabama. He's fallow Nick Daman And
• 26:48
  Speaker 7: let's just say, if Lincoln Riley goes eight and four
• 26:51
  Speaker 7: this year, they're not going to fire him, though people
• 26:53
  Speaker 7: will be disappointed, but he's not going to get fired
• 26:55
  Speaker 7: for that. But Calen de boor would I think? You know,
• 26:59
  Speaker 7: year two, you're expected to compete for national championships.
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: There, Stewart's been fun. We've appreciated this again this year.
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: Love talking college football with you every week. There's plenty
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: of stuff to talk about on and off the field.
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: People can follow you all over the place, whether it
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: be on the x Slash, Twitter World or the Audible podcast.
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: I don't know how much you guys will do in
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: the off season with the Audible maybe his news warrants,
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: but tell folks about that.
• 27:25
  Speaker 7: Yeah, Well, we'll still be going twice a week in
• 27:27
  Speaker 7: the off season, Tuesdays and Thursdays. And like you said
• 27:30
  Speaker 7: at the beginning, I'm I don't think we're going to
• 27:33
  Speaker 7: be hurting for contents even in the debt of the
• 27:35
  Speaker 7: off season.
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: No, I don't think so either. You guys do a
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: great job, you Bruce and Ralph, and of course you're
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: writing it. You're writing in the Athletic is second to none.
• 27:42
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• 27:45
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• 27:48
  Speaker 1: until a warrants, and again we'll say goodbye.
• 27:51
  Speaker 7: Let me just say real quick if I can get
• 27:52
  Speaker 7: a quick second into you Ian to Jessaman, like I
• 27:55
  Speaker 7: really love coming on this show every week. You guys
• 27:57
  Speaker 7: do a great job. Thank you, Thanks, thanks, thanks for
• 28:00
  Speaker 7: continuing to You could have just said, like it's all
• 28:02
  Speaker 7: Seahawks from here. We'll see you next year, but you
• 28:05
  Speaker 7: know you kept doing college football, so appreciate that.
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah, listen, we have it. I think I'll just add
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: quickly to that. I think we have a very under
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: rated college football fan base, not just Washington, but there's
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: a passion for college football in our market, in this
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: city that I think is a little bit underserved at times.
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: Our afternoon show does a lot with it Softy and Dick.
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean, all have to do is look
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: at Husky Stadium on a Saturday, see how many people
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: are there. I watch the look at the TV ratings.
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: We this is a good college football town and we
• 28:34
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• 28:36
  Speaker 1: after this start back to Seahawks. We got ANFC championship game.
• 28:39
  Speaker 7: So you down here in the Bay Area in a
• 28:42
  Speaker 7: couple of weeks.
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Jess, we'll be down there if they get there,
• 28:45
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• 28:47
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• 28:50
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• 29:37
  Speaker 1: say missed us, Andrew City missed us. Wow, I'm surprised. Yeah,
• 29:40
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  Speaker 8: I did miss you.
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  Speaker 1: I just didn't text that to you exactly. So we're
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  Speaker 1: used you a quote from you in the release yesterday
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: when the Hall of Fame voting was announced. Felix has
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: made a historic move up in terms of gains and
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: votes and everything else. I'll get to Felix in a second.
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: Let's just talk about the guys that did get in
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: first and foremost thoughts on did they get it right
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: this year?
• 30:13
  Speaker 8: I think so. There's some difficult asterisks with both guys.
• 30:17
  Speaker 8: The way that Andrew Jones's career ended with a domestic
• 30:20
  Speaker 8: violence incident and Carlos Beltroun's involvement in the Astros scandal,
• 30:26
  Speaker 8: I think just with Deltron first, that was near the
• 30:28
  Speaker 8: end of his career. It didn't lad to good numbers
• 30:31
  Speaker 8: with him for the Astros, so I don't think it
• 30:34
  Speaker 8: was a reason that he had a good career. And
• 30:38
  Speaker 8: he was just a great all around player with centerfield defense,
• 30:42
  Speaker 8: the ability to take a walk, didn't strike out, stole bases,
• 30:46
  Speaker 8: was an amazing playoff player. He was almost seventy percent
• 30:50
  Speaker 8: better than the league average in the playoffs across his career.
• 30:54
  Speaker 8: So just a great performer in every facet.
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: Of the game.
• 30:57
  Speaker 8: I think an easy I think he took some you know,
• 31:00
  Speaker 8: had to wait a year or two because of the
• 31:03
  Speaker 8: Astros thing, but I think eventually they got that one right.
• 31:06
  Speaker 8: On the other one, there's no good answer, you know,
• 31:09
  Speaker 8: about how you feel about how Andrew Jones' career ended.
• 31:12
  Speaker 8: But I grew up in Atlanta and I just saw him.
• 31:15
  Speaker 8: He's the youngest player to ever hit a homer in
• 31:17
  Speaker 8: a World Series game. He is, you know, maybe one
• 31:21
  Speaker 8: of the best five center fielders defensively of all time,
• 31:24
  Speaker 8: and he was still, you know, better than league average.
• 31:27
  Speaker 8: He was like a twelve percent of the league average
• 31:29
  Speaker 8: guy with the bat who hit four hundred and thirty
• 31:31
  Speaker 8: four homers. So like just a really, really great all
• 31:35
  Speaker 8: around player. And centerfielders are a little bit underrepresented in
• 31:39
  Speaker 8: the Hall of Fame. So I think it's a happy
• 31:41
  Speaker 8: day for both those guys, and I think it was
• 31:44
  Speaker 8: a good a good choice. I voted for both for them.
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: Let's let's get to Felix. That's what the Seattle fans
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: are curious about here. You know, Felix Hernandez gets forty
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: six point one percent of the votes, a big jump
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: from a year ago in terms of the guys that
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: didn't make it, Chase up, Andy Pettitt forty eight percent,
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: and then Felix at forty six What does that number say,
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: that forty six percent for Felix.
• 32:09
  Speaker 8: It's it's really good news. It basically says that he's
• 32:13
  Speaker 8: going to be in. If it's not this year, uh,
• 32:16
  Speaker 8: this in the coming year of the year after, he's
• 32:18
  Speaker 8: going to be in. If you look at people who
• 32:21
  Speaker 8: have cleared forty three percent ever on the ballot, uh,
• 32:26
  Speaker 8: they're all in except for guys who are still on
• 32:29
  Speaker 8: the ballot, Chase Utley, who I think will also get
• 32:32
  Speaker 8: in sixty percent with fifty nine percent this year, and
• 32:35
  Speaker 8: the other guys that haven't made it in our very bonds,
• 32:37
  Speaker 8: Roger clem AND's Gary Sheffield, you know, the crew that
• 32:41
  Speaker 8: have massive asterisks attached to their names. So Felix is
• 32:46
  Speaker 8: going to be in. I think that, you know, you
• 32:48
  Speaker 8: I think it's right with people say, you know, all
• 32:50
  Speaker 8: like how can votes change? And like, you know, why
• 32:53
  Speaker 8: why do people get in over time? Like why would
• 32:56
  Speaker 8: Felix not be a Hall of Famer you know, the
• 32:59
  Speaker 8: beginning of this process us and via Hall of Famer
• 33:02
  Speaker 8: later on. And I think it's just because, you know,
• 33:05
  Speaker 8: people reinvestigate their beliefs. And I think also we will
• 33:10
  Speaker 8: see the game change around us. You know, what we're
• 33:13
  Speaker 8: seeing around us is starting Pitchers don't pitch as much,
• 33:18
  Speaker 8: you know, we just don't expect as much out of
• 33:21
  Speaker 8: in terms of bulk. And you know what, the way
• 33:25
  Speaker 8: that I said it when I explained why I voted
• 33:27
  Speaker 8: for Felix was, you know, in nineteen ninety two, when
• 33:30
  Speaker 8: Greg mannox through two hundred and sixty eight innings there
• 33:34
  Speaker 8: were fifty four other pitchers that had two hundred innings.
• 33:37
  Speaker 8: Eighty one pitchers qualified for the era title. Twenty nine
• 33:41
  Speaker 8: pitchers won fifteen games last year. Three pitchers through two
• 33:47
  Speaker 8: hundred innings three versus fifty five. Seven guys one to
• 33:53
  Speaker 8: fifteen games versus twenty nine. So we just were not
• 33:56
  Speaker 8: using them the same way. So you can't just look
• 33:58
  Speaker 8: at Felix Snanda's win total and saying that's not enough win.
• 34:01
  Speaker 8: You can't look at his innings, that's not enough innings.
• 34:04
  Speaker 8: And if you look at Felix Hernandez against his peers,
• 34:07
  Speaker 8: against people who were born, you know, five six years
• 34:12
  Speaker 8: before him and five six ers after him, he's like
• 34:14
  Speaker 8: the sixth best starting pitcher of his time. So you know,
• 34:17
  Speaker 8: I know the ending wasn't great, everybody in saddle knows that,
• 34:20
  Speaker 8: but it was he was the king, you know, he
• 34:23
  Speaker 8: was the king when he was when he was in it,
• 34:26
  Speaker 8: and he had one of the best peaks of all time.
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah, the cy Young win a couple other well do
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: you have two runner ups for the cy Young as well?
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: One of those he probably should have won it, but
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: you know, you go through all the All Stars and
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: everything else. The one hundred and sixty nine wins in
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: his career. It used to be help me out here,
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: you know, because for our fans listening, it used to
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: be like, hey, you're a pitcher. You got to get
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: to three hundred wins, right a hit or three thousand hits,
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: whatever it would be. But the three hundred win threshold,
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: it felt like was the thing forever. And as you mentioned,
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: that's just not going to happen again, right, Like, it's
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: just probably not going to happen again. So if a voter,
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: what comes to you and says, you know, man, I'm close.
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: I was going to vote for Felix. I didn't. I'm
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: thinking about voting for him in twenty twenty seven. What
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: will be the easiest answer you would give for why
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: Felix Fernandez is a Hall of Famer?
• 35:12
  Speaker 8: I mean, in the ten year period when he was
• 35:15
  Speaker 8: at his best, he was number one in wins the
• 35:17
  Speaker 8: bubb replacement even then he was number three in wins,
• 35:20
  Speaker 8: number seven in era, and number one in strikeouts. That
• 35:24
  Speaker 8: sounds like a Hall of Famer to me. I think
• 35:26
  Speaker 8: we have to give room for guys like Sandy Kofax.
• 35:29
  Speaker 8: We already put in the Hall of fame guys who
• 35:31
  Speaker 8: burned right for a short amount of time, and you
• 35:34
  Speaker 8: we're going to see that more on the hitter side.
• 35:36
  Speaker 8: I think people are going to reinvestigate Dustin Perdroy and
• 35:38
  Speaker 8: David Wright in the same way where they're going to say,
• 35:40
  Speaker 8: you know, maybe we should value peak over over longevity.
• 35:45
  Speaker 8: I know it's best to have both. And I know
• 35:47
  Speaker 8: that some people say, Hey, I'm a small hall guy,
• 35:49
  Speaker 8: and you know, I don't think these guys should be in,
• 35:51
  Speaker 8: and I might be a little bit more of a
• 35:53
  Speaker 8: big haul guy. I did want to point out two
• 35:55
  Speaker 8: things though, versus other sports, the NFL and NBA in particular,
• 36:01
  Speaker 8: MLB is very stingy in the Hall of Fame. Ye
• 36:03
  Speaker 8: you know, like I don't know, if you've ever looked
• 36:06
  Speaker 8: at the NBA Hall of Fame or the NFL Hall
• 36:08
  Speaker 8: of Fame, you will be surprised.
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: I listen, the NBA, we've we've even though we're not
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: in an NBA city where we had this conversation, I
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: think like two years ago, because a couple of guys
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: got in and we're like, we're still kind of waiting
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: for Della Shremp to get in and like his and
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: his and his his resume more than surpasses a lot
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: of like the NBA, if you had a if you
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: made an All Star game, like it felt like you
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: got into the inc and into the Hall of Fame.
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: And football is an interesting one because a lot of
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: guys get in unless your name is Mike Hongrin and
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: you're not on TV with as a coach. But that's
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: all different. That's our our own bitterness up here. But
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: uh no, I love and the other one. Yeah, the other.
• 36:45
  Speaker 8: The other point I wanted to make was we used
• 36:48
  Speaker 8: to put even in in baseball, we used to put
• 36:50
  Speaker 8: way more people in. There were periods of time we
• 36:53
  Speaker 8: put two, three, four, five percent of possible players into
• 36:57
  Speaker 8: the Hall of Fame. We are down to around one percent.
• 37:01
  Speaker 8: We're we're putting fewer people into the Hall of Fame
• 37:04
  Speaker 8: now than we ever have if you just look historically,
• 37:07
  Speaker 8: so you know, it's a it's a big game. One
• 37:10
  Speaker 8: percent seems like a good number. Felix Hernandez here's the
• 37:14
  Speaker 8: one one and a half percent bar So he's a
• 37:16
  Speaker 8: Hall of Fame for me.
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: And think about the larger player pool too. With the
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: globalization of the game people, I mean, it used to
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: be it was was North American and Caucasian. Now it's
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: anything but that around baseball. So there's a lot more
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: guys to choose from.
• 37:28
  Speaker 5: You know.
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: Thank you us Mariner fans, thank you as well. And
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: uh we will by the way, pictures and catchers reporting
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: like less than a month, I think, so, uh we
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: will be we'll be getting in touch with your people.
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: Our people will be get in touch with your people,
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: and we'll hopefully do it again this year. All right,
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I gotta.
• 37:43
  Speaker 9: Do a little like uh man on the corner reportage, Dude,
• 37:46
  Speaker 9: I gotta I'll go to Seattle camp and I'll and
• 37:48
  Speaker 9: I'll all let's go you know wind blown, you know,
• 37:52
  Speaker 9: uh wind blown you know, talks into the mic kind
• 37:56
  Speaker 9: of like that reportage from on the on the floor.
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: You know, with us from Peoria. Right now, I'm going
• 38:02
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• 38:05
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• 38:06
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• 38:08
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  Speaker 1: McDonald spoke to the media earlier today. It advanced the
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: NFC Championship game. Uh Donald, Yeah, he'll I want to
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: say limited, but that just sounds so significant. They're gonna
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: manage him all week. Charles Cross manage him all week.
• 38:40
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• 38:42
  Speaker 1: Blah blah blah. Everything's good. Nothing to see here, Move along.
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: Felix Herenande is historic games. The Baseball Hall of Fame
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: voting yesterday forty six percent. You just start, you know,
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: Sarah say he's getting in, you know, kind of makes
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: it sound like next year.
• 38:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: If it's not next year, it's at least a year
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: after that the latest. I'm gonna tell you. It'll be
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: my favorite Hall of Fame for anybody in Seattle when
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: he gets in, when Fields gets into me, it'll be more.
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: I think for me personally, is just better than each
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: year Old Griffy Edgar and all those guys, just because
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: they were all kind of Felix is the man, and
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: he had an uphill battle when it comes to know
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: his worthiness. He was ours. He never left us.
• 39:27
  Speaker 10: That's a good point.
• 39:28
  Speaker 3: We love you feelix one of my favorite marriages of
• 39:29
  Speaker 3: all time. I was just I was just telling Jessa
• 39:31
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• 39:32
  Speaker 1: When he gets his me awesome because there's nobody that
• 39:35
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• 39:37
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• 40:41
  Speaker 2: I'm good and how's it going?
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: It's going well, My man is going well. We got
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: a little NFC Championship week. You you know this game
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: fairly well. You've you've you've you've been around this game
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: once or twice over the years. Have you nod back
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: in San Francisco, Green Bay, n Seattle? Huh, you've been
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: around this this block a few times.
• 40:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we've gotten there a few times, which is a
• 41:02
  Speaker 2: lot of fun. It's an exciting week, you know, you know,
• 41:06
  Speaker 2: you really you think about getting there and then it's
• 41:10
  Speaker 2: not over because you have the Super Bowl ahead of you.
• 41:12
  Speaker 2: But it is the point of a remarkable season that
• 41:17
  Speaker 2: they can feel real good about right now. But then
• 41:20
  Speaker 2: you know, it's you got to try and finish it.
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: I we were just talking about Felix Srenanda's probably going
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: to the Hall of Fame for Baseball here in the
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: next couple of years, just based on where his votes are.
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: Trending and stuff, and I said, you know, he's he's
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: one of my favorite Mariners of all time, one of
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: my favorite athletes in Seattle of all time. I've brought
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: this up before. I'll be honest with you, one of
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: my favorite games of all time to watch. I wasn't there.
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: I was working in Portland at the time, but was
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: the NFC Championship game when Mike Seahawks beat the Carolina
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: Panthers thirty four to fourteen. And it would be hard Andrews.
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: I don't like date and Andrews, but how old would
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: you have been? Twenty two thousand and five. He's busy,
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: he's doing something else.
• 42:01
  Speaker 3: He was born in ninety seven. So yeah, it's about
• 42:07
  Speaker 3: the beginning of my Seahawk standing. I'll just for and
• 42:11
  Speaker 3: Jess was back east somewhere at that time. Yeah, I'm
• 42:14
  Speaker 3: going to tell you, Mike that our city that afternoon
• 42:20
  Speaker 3: and just through the whole Northwest, that was special. That
• 42:24
  Speaker 3: was like getting over that hump getting to the Super
• 42:26
  Speaker 3: Bowl for the first time. What do you remember from
• 42:28
  Speaker 3: that day and what do you remember from the week.
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: Leading up to it.
• 42:32
  Speaker 2: Well, it was, first of all, it was special, and
• 42:34
  Speaker 2: if the crowd I remember I remember the crowd during
• 42:39
  Speaker 2: the game, first of all, and you know, it was
• 42:44
  Speaker 2: startling how loud it was. I mean, it was really something,
• 42:48
  Speaker 2: and uh that really helped us win the football game.
• 42:51
  Speaker 2: But then our guys played well and we really did
• 42:53
  Speaker 2: play well and got us to the super Bowl. But
• 42:56
  Speaker 2: the leading up to it, you know, you just remember
• 42:59
  Speaker 2: the week of preparation prior to that game, you know,
• 43:02
  Speaker 2: winning beating Washington earlier and they had a really good team,
• 43:08
  Speaker 2: and then being able to play these those games at home.
• 43:12
  Speaker 2: That really helped us. And I think it's helped Mike
• 43:14
  Speaker 2: and it's going to help him on Sunday. So but
• 43:20
  Speaker 2: you know, it's it's I'll tell you what. And then
• 43:22
  Speaker 2: I don't want to throw a down or on anything.
• 43:24
  Speaker 2: But when you win the super Bowl, and I won
• 43:27
  Speaker 2: Super Bowls, which which was unbelievable, but if you lose
• 43:31
  Speaker 2: a big game like the game coming up or the
• 43:33
  Speaker 2: super Bowl, it kind of tends to stay with you longer. Yeah,
• 43:38
  Speaker 2: you know, you can you kind of remember those things.
• 43:40
  Speaker 2: If I'd only done this, if I'd just done that,
• 43:43
  Speaker 2: you know, we could have gotten over the top. So
• 43:45
  Speaker 2: there's a lot of anticipation and a lot of excitement,
• 43:49
  Speaker 2: and you know, I think they're going to do it.
• 43:51
  Speaker 2: I think they're going to get to the Super Bowl,
• 43:53
  Speaker 2: and I think they're gonna win this year.
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: Mike. In the first quarter, on the second Seattle drive,
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: it was first and ten at the Carolina forty five
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: with five point fifty six to go in the first quarter,
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: scoreless game at that point. Matt Hasselbeck drops back to
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: pass and he finds Seneca Wallace for twenty eight yards.
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: And the little trick play by the way, Ken Lucas,
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: the former Seahawks, had to make the tackle on that play.
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: But you get the trick play, you get the ty,
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: you get the first down the very next play, hassle
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: Beck to Stevens touchdown. You guys are up seven to nothing.
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: The place is going bananas. They were going bananas after
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: they play to Seneca. You put that play in that week,
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: I'm assume, well, I think you diduse I think the
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: story I heard from media guys is that was back
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: when the media could watch all the practice and you
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: kind of had to go over and say, hey, like,
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: you're gonna see this. We're not gonna we're not talking
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: about this right like and and and they guys kept
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: it quiet. But is that, like, is that the norm?
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: Like when you were in San Francisco as a coordinator,
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: in Green Bay as a head coach, or even here,
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: do you put something in for games like this specifically?
• 44:56
  Speaker 8: Like?
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: Is are they putting in a couple of things here
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: and there?
• 45:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah? We did that certainly, and I think I think
• 45:03
  Speaker 2: they're going to do the same thing. Every team does that.
• 45:07
  Speaker 2: It's when you call it. I think you know I've
• 45:10
  Speaker 2: seen in the play in some of the games I've
• 45:12
  Speaker 2: seen leading up to this one. Excuse me that I've
• 45:17
  Speaker 2: seen trick plays not blow up. I'm going, why did
• 45:23
  Speaker 2: they call it? You have to call it, you think
• 45:26
  Speaker 2: it's the right place on the field, You've done all
• 45:29
  Speaker 2: your homework, But you can't call it ten yards out.
• 45:32
  Speaker 2: You got to call it, you know, right there on
• 45:35
  Speaker 2: the field, and that gives you a better chance to
• 45:37
  Speaker 2: have it work.
• 45:39
  Speaker 5: You know.
• 45:39
  Speaker 2: I go back to our Super Bowl with the forty
• 45:42
  Speaker 2: nine ers when I play Denver, and we've made a
• 45:46
  Speaker 2: couple of plays like that, not not trick plays, but
• 45:48
  Speaker 2: plays that were different we hadn't done before, right, But
• 45:52
  Speaker 2: I wanted to call it at the thirty yard line
• 45:54
  Speaker 2: going in because the Denver's red zone defense was so
• 45:59
  Speaker 2: good and they laid it a certain way when you
• 46:01
  Speaker 2: got there every single time. And I said, George Seafret,
• 46:05
  Speaker 2: I remember on the phone. He goes, We're on the
• 46:06
  Speaker 2: forty yard line and he goes, my call up play
• 46:09
  Speaker 2: you drew up this week? And I said, not yet,
• 46:13
  Speaker 2: not yet, and he goes, what, I go, not yet
• 46:17
  Speaker 2: And we moved finally down to the thirty and I
• 46:19
  Speaker 2: said now and we hit it, you know, and and
• 46:23
  Speaker 2: and so yeah, every team will do that. The Rams
• 46:27
  Speaker 2: will have something, the Seahawks will have something, and then
• 46:30
  Speaker 2: you want to call it right and then listen when
• 46:33
  Speaker 2: it works. You're the smartest guy.
• 46:35
  Speaker 1: You're the smartest guy on the planet. You were the
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: smartest guy on the planet at that point. And that,
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: I mean, what what went into that?
• 46:39
  Speaker 4: Now?
• 46:40
  Speaker 1: How what was a response when when like when Senecas
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: found out he's going to be you know, catching a
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: pass and all that. What what went on and what
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: went into that all week? So we don't really heard
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: the backstory.
• 46:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well, you know what, Seneca is a great athlete
• 46:52
  Speaker 2: first of all, and he could do those things, so
• 46:55
  Speaker 2: you could put him in the game and you know,
• 46:57
  Speaker 2: he could run, and he could pass, and he could
• 46:59
  Speaker 2: do all those things. So it wasn't crazy to have
• 47:02
  Speaker 2: him in the game. But typically if he was in
• 47:05
  Speaker 2: the game, he was the inn as a decoy. You'd
• 47:07
  Speaker 2: flip him out there. Teams do that, I get another quarterback,
• 47:10
  Speaker 2: put him out there. What's he doing? So they got
• 47:12
  Speaker 2: to run out there. Well, this time I had confidence
• 47:15
  Speaker 2: he could do that. He could run routes, he could
• 47:18
  Speaker 2: do stuff, and so he was a quarterback. But we
• 47:21
  Speaker 2: so we practiced it during the week and he goes, Coach,
• 47:23
  Speaker 2: you gotta call it. I said, I think, I am, yeah,
• 47:26
  Speaker 2: but we'll see, you know, we'll see if what happens.
• 47:30
  Speaker 2: And then I called it, and I don't I remember
• 47:34
  Speaker 2: seeing a smile on his face, but I think he
• 47:36
  Speaker 2: was pretty happy.
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: It's too didn't smile a lot though, I don't think.
• 47:39
  Speaker 1: But though that's a that was a hell of a play.
• 47:41
  Speaker 1: I just remember that being one of those special plays
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: and the moment was special as well.
• 47:46
  Speaker 2: Uh.
• 47:46
  Speaker 1: I heard Sam Donald say today, you know, hey, just
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: you know, we're practicing, we're pressing our process. Everyone says
• 47:51
  Speaker 1: that same stuff, Mike, But how different is this week.
• 47:57
  Speaker 7: The week?
• 47:58
  Speaker 2: Is? It is different? But says that, and coaches said,
• 48:04
  Speaker 2: you know, from the podium and they're talking, yeah, we
• 48:08
  Speaker 2: you know, but if they're being really honest down deep,
• 48:12
  Speaker 2: yeah there they want. They're gonna you feel it, you
• 48:17
  Speaker 2: really do feel it. And then it's a matter of
• 48:21
  Speaker 2: timing it right, so you don't you don't shoot all
• 48:25
  Speaker 2: your your you know, your marvels by Friday. You gotta
• 48:28
  Speaker 2: wait until Sunday and pace it that way. I heard
• 48:31
  Speaker 2: Mike McDonald today saying that his week of practice is
• 48:35
  Speaker 2: just like he always has, time wise and how they
• 48:38
  Speaker 2: do things, and so that struck me. That's that's a
• 48:42
  Speaker 2: good way to do it.
• 48:43
  Speaker 1: The situation with Sam Donald that pops up on the
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: injury report and you know, ends up playing and they
• 48:48
  Speaker 1: didn't really need him to do much in that game.
• 48:50
  Speaker 1: They ran the ball so well against San Francisco and
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: the defense was was phenomenal.
• 48:55
  Speaker 2: Uh.
• 48:55
  Speaker 1: He said today, both McDonald and Donald, Yeah, they'll they'll
• 48:57
  Speaker 1: kind of keep you know, an eye on him. He
• 48:59
  Speaker 1: says he feels fine, he's limited and all those things.
• 49:02
  Speaker 1: It used to be we had probable. Remember we used
• 49:04
  Speaker 1: to have the probable on injured reports. Now we have it.
• 49:06
  Speaker 1: You're either either questionable, doubtful or out right. So I'm
• 49:10
  Speaker 1: sure him and crossly listed is questionable. But how would
• 49:13
  Speaker 1: you go about preparing this week. Let's just assume that
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: we think that he's going to be fine, but at
• 49:18
  Speaker 1: the same time we want to risk anything. How many
• 49:20
  Speaker 1: reps would he get? How many reps would Drew Locke?
• 49:22
  Speaker 2: Yet? Well, I think it all depends on how Sam's feeling,
• 49:27
  Speaker 2: you know. If he's then the quarterback can tell you.
• 49:30
  Speaker 2: First of all, the doctor tells you, okay, he can
• 49:32
  Speaker 2: do this, but we should be careful with this or
• 49:35
  Speaker 2: whatever the doctor just says to you, right, okay. Then
• 49:38
  Speaker 2: you talk to the player, how do you feel, how's
• 49:40
  Speaker 2: it going? And really, in practice you don't you don't
• 49:44
  Speaker 2: push him too much. I don't think you know, because
• 49:47
  Speaker 2: we need him for the game. But then you watch
• 49:49
  Speaker 2: him carefully. You know, that's on your mind in practice
• 49:52
  Speaker 2: all the time, at least it would be on mind.
• 49:55
  Speaker 2: And so then then you cut them loose during the
• 49:58
  Speaker 2: game and if he says, if they say he's ready
• 50:00
  Speaker 2: to play, then you play the game. Now your play
• 50:04
  Speaker 2: selection not unlike what happened last week, might be a
• 50:08
  Speaker 2: little different, but this is the RAMS and I'm I
• 50:12
  Speaker 2: think Sam's gonna have to his numbers. The passing game
• 50:17
  Speaker 2: is going to have to be better than it was
• 50:19
  Speaker 2: last week. It was good last week, but more numbers,
• 50:21
  Speaker 2: more numbers, more yardage.
• 50:24
  Speaker 1: Much How important is it to get I mean, Drew
• 50:26
  Speaker 1: Locke got a few snaps last It's funny people kind
• 50:30
  Speaker 1: of forget how the timing works. He got a few
• 50:31
  Speaker 1: snaps on Thursday? Did lock when when Donold went into
• 50:35
  Speaker 1: the locker room or when they get to get his
• 50:37
  Speaker 1: oblique looked at? Friday was about as you know, as
• 50:40
  Speaker 1: Mellow walked through. It's the day before the game, as
• 50:42
  Speaker 1: you could have sure, So the actual reps reps. How
• 50:45
  Speaker 1: important would it be for you to get Drew Locke
• 50:47
  Speaker 1: some reps just in case?
• 50:50
  Speaker 2: Well, I think it'll be important. Now you've got to
• 50:52
  Speaker 2: understand one day of practice isn't going to change Drew
• 50:57
  Speaker 2: too much from who he is and what he's been doing. Yeah,
• 51:00
  Speaker 2: and he's been on I don't know, I haven't been
• 51:02
  Speaker 2: to practices, but you know, if he's a scout team quarterback,
• 51:05
  Speaker 2: if he's getting his throwing and stuff in there, so
• 51:09
  Speaker 2: that's not going to change too much in one day
• 51:11
  Speaker 2: of practice. But just to get him to let him
• 51:13
  Speaker 2: You're letting him know that you've got to be ready
• 51:17
  Speaker 2: if called upon. And and that's the main thing.
• 51:19
  Speaker 1: Well, the thing is you got to feel better about
• 51:21
  Speaker 1: having Drew Locke as your backup than what Sean Payton
• 51:23
  Speaker 1: hasn't done, where Jared Stidham hasn't taken a snap in
• 51:25
  Speaker 1: with three years, whatever the heck it is. I mean,
• 51:27
  Speaker 1: oh my goodness, you kidding me.
• 51:28
  Speaker 2: Oh, I know, I know. The backup quarterback. Really, the
• 51:32
  Speaker 2: backup quarterback doesn't get to play too much. But if
• 51:35
  Speaker 2: he has to play, you have to be able to
• 51:38
  Speaker 2: call call the game. And uh twu Locke, Yeah, he's
• 51:43
  Speaker 2: he's a good one to have if you need him.
• 51:45
  Speaker 1: So I get so. My buddy John Lund, who we
• 51:48
  Speaker 1: have on on Tuesday, sends me this the other day.
• 51:51
  Speaker 1: And listen, I know you, I know you're going to
• 51:53
  Speaker 1: think I'm just trying to get you going, all right,
• 51:54
  Speaker 1: but I'm gonna I'm gonna read it. Just bear with
• 51:56
  Speaker 1: me for a second, all right, Mike, because I want
• 51:58
  Speaker 1: you this is interesting. John sends me this. He says,
• 52:01
  Speaker 1: officiating is such a hot topic right now, by the way,
• 52:03
  Speaker 1: do we know what it catches anymore, Mike, do we
• 52:04
  Speaker 1: still know what to catches? Do we don't know what catches?
• 52:06
  Speaker 2: Right?
• 52:07
  Speaker 1: We don't know? Do we do we know what it catches?
• 52:09
  Speaker 1: In the NFL?
• 52:10
  Speaker 2: I think I do. But I think that's the referee.
• 52:13
  Speaker 2: They're kind of confused.
• 52:13
  Speaker 1: But but I think I think you and most coaches do. Merrider.
• 52:19
  Speaker 1: The referee for the Seahawks game on Sunday is Clay Martin,
• 52:22
  Speaker 1: his seventh postseason assignment, including four wild card playoffs a
• 52:25
  Speaker 1: bunch of other stuff. Been in the NFL since twenty fifteen.
• 52:28
  Speaker 1: Referees is twenty eighteen. Mike, This is where it gets interesting.
• 52:32
  Speaker 1: I would love to like, no, if this was Mike
• 52:35
  Speaker 1: Holmgren when you were coaching and you saw, oh, we
• 52:37
  Speaker 1: got who's the referee this week? Hey, Dave, Dave Pearson,
• 52:40
  Speaker 1: who's our Clay Martin? Clay Martin? Who Clay Martin? The
• 52:44
  Speaker 1: Rams are seven to oh in games that Clay Martin
• 52:47
  Speaker 1: has been the referee, including a win in Seattle in
• 52:51
  Speaker 1: November at twenty twenty four, and the Seahawks are flagged
• 52:53
  Speaker 1: twelve times for ninety five yards. Mike, the Rams are
• 52:58
  Speaker 1: four to o on the road with Clay Martin as
• 52:59
  Speaker 1: a referee, including wins in San Francisco, Seattle, in Houston.
• 53:04
  Speaker 2: Uh.
• 53:04
  Speaker 1: He did a Seattle game this year in Jacksonville, Seattle.
• 53:07
  Speaker 1: Was flagged seven times in that game. Yeah, Mike, I
• 53:11
  Speaker 1: don't like this.
• 53:12
  Speaker 2: I know.
• 53:12
  Speaker 1: I don't like this. Mike, I don't like it. I
• 53:14
  Speaker 1: don't either, Okay, I don't either. I don't like it.
• 53:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah. No, that's when they used to give me at hockey.
• 53:20
  Speaker 2: You know his son, His son is now a referee,
• 53:23
  Speaker 2: Sey yes Son, Yeah, John Well at Hockley. You know,
• 53:27
  Speaker 2: in my in my coaching career, my winning percentage was
• 53:31
  Speaker 2: I don't know what it was. It's very good, over
• 53:32
  Speaker 2: sixty percent. Yeah, it was pretty good.
• 53:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Good.
• 53:35
  Speaker 2: When he refed my games, I was one for twelve
• 53:42
  Speaker 2: and I go, wait a second, that doesn't that's what
• 53:45
  Speaker 2: is that? And then we get into we get into things.
• 53:48
  Speaker 2: We had that one game where Reggie White was rushing
• 53:51
  Speaker 2: against Dallas and they kept grabbing a space mask and
• 53:54
  Speaker 2: yank in his head clearly, clearly, and I went out
• 53:58
  Speaker 2: to him. I said, hey, you got to call that.
• 54:00
  Speaker 2: You're the ref. You're right there. You see it. It's
• 54:02
  Speaker 2: on that side you it's not a foul. I go
• 54:06
  Speaker 2: I'll tell you what, there's going to be a fight,
• 54:08
  Speaker 2: and there was a riot. We had a big run
• 54:10
  Speaker 2: right at the end of that game. Fast forward to
• 54:14
  Speaker 2: a league meeting later on, and we were talking about calls.
• 54:18
  Speaker 2: It was with the referees, it was with the officials,
• 54:20
  Speaker 2: and the coaches were all sitting there and they used
• 54:24
  Speaker 2: that film of Reggie White that happening to him, not once,
• 54:30
  Speaker 2: not twice, but six seven, eight times, and they showed
• 54:34
  Speaker 2: it to everybody and everyone's going. And rich Brooks was
• 54:41
  Speaker 2: the head coach of the Rams and the very kind
• 54:45
  Speaker 2: of a volatile guy, good guy, and he had been
• 54:48
  Speaker 2: in Oregon. But he so Ed Hockley stands up, we're
• 54:52
  Speaker 2: talking about the thing, and he goes, my name is
• 54:55
  Speaker 2: Ed Hockeley. I was the official in that game, and
• 55:00
  Speaker 2: if I had to do it all over again, I'd
• 55:04
  Speaker 2: call it the same way.
• 55:05
  Speaker 1: Oh.
• 55:06
  Speaker 2: Richard Brooks stands up and goes, then you know what,
• 55:12
  Speaker 2: you're a blankety blankety blankety blank. And the whole rooms
• 55:15
  Speaker 2: are rough, you know, just chaos, just crazy. You know what.
• 55:22
  Speaker 2: You you hear that, You hear the guy in the
• 55:24
  Speaker 2: in the upstairs in the press box, the announcer is going,
• 55:27
  Speaker 2: what do you think of that, whether you know it's
• 55:31
  Speaker 2: whoever the mcaulay, Tay McAuley, one of those guys. Rarely,
• 55:36
  Speaker 2: rarely do they criticize the official who was working.
• 55:40
  Speaker 1: They're all in the same Yeah, it's the same union, right,
• 55:43
  Speaker 1: they can't They're not going to criticize the own guy.
• 55:45
  Speaker 1: I mean, I won't get you started. I don't get
• 55:47
  Speaker 1: started on but you know, I mean, it's the whole.
• 55:50
  Speaker 2: He got But he got fired the coach coach of
• 55:53
  Speaker 2: Buffalo and over and and he could have won that
• 55:56
  Speaker 2: game if it wasn't for two calls that I think
• 55:58
  Speaker 2: were bad calls, you know, and and he gets fired
• 56:02
  Speaker 2: because of it. So let's you know, it hurts sometimes.
• 56:07
  Speaker 1: Well, I'm gonna get We're gonna get a call from Kathy.
• 56:09
  Speaker 1: Do you notice he got like a little revved up
• 56:11
  Speaker 1: there we started talking about officials. We got a little
• 56:13
  Speaker 1: we got Mike a little revved up. I don't I
• 56:15
  Speaker 1: don't take a deep breath. I don't want to get
• 56:17
  Speaker 1: in trouble later I think it started. I'm not trying
• 56:19
  Speaker 1: to get you repped up.
• 56:20
  Speaker 2: Well, I know you kind of you kind of set
• 56:23
  Speaker 2: the table there, but you know what, you don't want
• 56:25
  Speaker 2: my daughters to come on the radio. No and talk
• 56:28
  Speaker 2: about officials. No, that's who you don't want to talk.
• 56:31
  Speaker 1: So Hockily was your guy, I mean the late Bill Levy.
• 56:35
  Speaker 1: We all know that situation. So hockey twelve man o yikes,
• 56:40
  Speaker 1: Well he's he's too busy wearing a size medium shirt,
• 56:43
  Speaker 1: you know, like flexing his muscles and all that.
• 56:45
  Speaker 2: Oh no, no, he lifted weights. Yeah he did.
• 56:48
  Speaker 1: Just ask him.
• 56:49
  Speaker 2: In fact, I may I think I made a comment
• 56:50
  Speaker 2: to him. Uh during our game. He did the Carolina game.
• 56:54
  Speaker 2: Actually I remember correctly, I think he was. I think
• 56:58
  Speaker 2: he was a referee at that game.
• 57:00
  Speaker 1: Wow, that was your one win.
• 57:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that was he was.
• 57:05
  Speaker 1: It was Ed Hockley. Yeah, and you know the well
• 57:08
  Speaker 1: actually it is kind of an all star crew. Ed Hockley,
• 57:10
  Speaker 1: the side judge is is the referee for I think
• 57:13
  Speaker 1: the AFC game this weekend. Carl Scheffers, he is doing
• 57:16
  Speaker 1: the AFC game. He's now a referee side that. He's
• 57:19
  Speaker 1: a side judge that game. Yeah, you were probably in
• 57:21
  Speaker 1: his arm the whole time.
• 57:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Jeffers. He also did our Super Bowl. You know. Well,
• 57:26
  Speaker 2: then we all listen, said Ben Roethlisberger scored a touchdown
• 57:29
  Speaker 2: on the quarterback sneak, and clearly you didn't. But that's
• 57:33
  Speaker 2: another story. That's another story.
• 57:35
  Speaker 1: All right, Listen, I didn't mean to get you going
• 57:37
  Speaker 1: on this Thursday, on this on Wednesday.
• 57:38
  Speaker 2: What else can we talk about here?
• 57:42
  Speaker 1: I just I'm looking at this. See here's the thing,
• 57:45
  Speaker 1: because that comes out one gives me that no, one
• 57:47
  Speaker 1: we haven't really seen that. You watch if CL's penalizes
• 57:50
  Speaker 1: like nine times and there's like some weird phantom calls,
• 57:53
  Speaker 1: or you know, JSN makes this great catch and they
• 57:55
  Speaker 1: go no, after further review, you know, the runner did
• 57:58
  Speaker 1: not complete the prime of the catch or whatever the
• 58:01
  Speaker 1: heck whatever that means, Mike, I don't know what that means,
• 58:03
  Speaker 1: complete the process of the catch. You know, that's gonna
• 58:06
  Speaker 1: come up and then we're gonna be talking on Monday
• 58:07
  Speaker 1: about hopefully, Hey, the Seahawks survived, despite the fact that
• 58:10
  Speaker 1: it was this guy that doesn't you know it doesn't
• 58:13
  Speaker 1: like the Seahawks, but he likes McVeigh. Apparently he's a
• 58:15
  Speaker 1: big McVeigh fanily, right, yeah, big mcmas.
• 58:18
  Speaker 2: Okay, one quick thing, and in that game against Carolina,
• 58:21
  Speaker 2: if you remember, we're we're kind of doing fine and
• 58:25
  Speaker 2: then Steve Smith runs a pump.
• 58:29
  Speaker 1: Return or something return.
• 58:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, there was a There was such a bad
• 58:34
  Speaker 2: clip on that play, really bad, and they called it clipping.
• 58:41
  Speaker 2: It was just everyone in the world. You could if
• 58:43
  Speaker 2: you look at the film right now, you go, oh yeah,
• 58:46
  Speaker 2: no question. Okay. But then they had a referee to
• 58:51
  Speaker 2: officials meeting at the fifty yard line about the call. Oh.
• 58:56
  Speaker 2: Then ed Ockley comes out and goes after talking to
• 59:00
  Speaker 2: the officials, no call touchdown. You know, I went, I
• 59:06
  Speaker 2: went nuts on him, and really he would have been
• 59:10
  Speaker 2: perfectly okay and throwing me, throwing a flag on me.
• 59:15
  Speaker 2: He should have because my language and everything. I'd never
• 59:18
  Speaker 2: done that before ever, no, or since. We went to
• 59:22
  Speaker 2: a league meeting later on he was there and he goes,
• 59:25
  Speaker 2: I said, I want to thank you for not throwing
• 59:27
  Speaker 2: me on that game, you know, and he says, no,
• 59:30
  Speaker 2: I understood. So maybe we may kiss the made up
• 59:33
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 59:34
  Speaker 1: They picked up the flag. I love that too. It's
• 59:36
  Speaker 1: like everyone sees it and they pick it up, like
• 59:38
  Speaker 1: what are we doing here? Okay, well, let's listen. Let's
• 59:41
  Speaker 1: hope next week we're not talking about all this, all right,
• 59:42
  Speaker 1: It's just a nice little way.
• 59:44
  Speaker 2: Let's let's talk to the officials. You know what, but
• 59:47
  Speaker 2: I've gotten over it. I'm over it.
• 59:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah, we can tell no, that's absolutely well. Listen, you'll
• 59:52
  Speaker 1: you'll have fun because I'm sure soft you'll just keep
• 59:54
  Speaker 1: things up. Do we just lose Mike? Is he gone?
• 59:58
  Speaker 1: We got a little buzzer? Show what that is?
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 2: Uh?
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 1: The mo it's emergency broadcasting? All right, you're always softy tomorrow,
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 1: all right. Make sure he buys you some food or
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 1: something there at the five twenty, all right, and he'll
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 1: take care of you. Yeah, all right, I think go ahead, Anders,
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 1: you can put them on hold. I don't know what's
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 1: going on with their phones. That's that's we got. We
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 1: got through all of it. The big thing there I
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 1: could tell is that Mike's very calm when it comes
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 1: talking to officials. Oh yeah, very calm.
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, no, No, he seems really neutral, Like, yeah.
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 1: Mike, tell us what you just told me right before
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 1: I dropped you there? What happened there?
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 2: It was the officials. So the officials that did that.
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 2: It was New York.
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 1: It was New York buzz again. You know what, here's
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 1: the problem, Mike, They're always watching it's like big brother.
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 1: They're always watching us, right their monitors. I heard, I
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 1: heard it. I heard Ian and coach Hongrim we're talking
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 1: about officials. Wait till you see who they get for
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 1: the Super Bowl. We'll find a god. It's like you know,
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 1: nine and oh with the Patriots or something all time. So,
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 1: oh my goodness. All right, well, soft Field treat you
• 1:01:03
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• 1:01:05
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  Speaker 1: your home for March madness? We are once again, Yes,
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 1: nineteenth and twenty. It's that Thursday Friday. We got by
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 1: two days. Even better if the hockey team wasn't playing
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 1: one of those two days. Anyway, I digress. Uh, but yeah,
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  Speaker 1: we watched that game. Think that's a great win for UCLA. Oh,
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 1: by the way, was at home. Mick didn't even have
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 1: to travel right, all crowded. It is still upset, Jess.
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 1: Is that is that safe to say?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah?
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  Speaker 1: You can hear it this boy. Here we go.
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  Speaker 6: Forgetting us five of our first seven on the road,
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  Speaker 6: bringing Purdue here on Thursday.
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  Speaker 1: Night, well, we don't get back till with in LA
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 1: till Saturday and giving us the team picked the win.
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 6: The league on the two days rest, after five with
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 6: us to our first seven on the room.
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 1: I really I want to thank the Big ten for
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 1: if you're liable to make it worse next year, it
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 1: couldn't be much worse. Couldn't be much worse. Hey, I
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 1: don't think they care about basketball. True, that's just my opinion.
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 1: It will be, you know, little man, and let them.
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 1: They ain't move in the city of Los Angeles. I
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 1: don't want them to, and they damn straining move when
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 1: you see a living I don't want them to. The
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 1: ward the league in the Midwest. So it's it's just
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 1: gonna be. What's gonna be. But you ain't got to
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 1: play five and the first seven on the road and
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 1: then come home and get the team pick the win
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 1: the league.
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 2: On two days rest.
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 1: I had two mulliphone closes seventy A text, why do
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 1: you play for NEWDA I just wanted to play Saturday.
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 1: I don't hot, I said, argue you on better've been
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 1: here since Thursday. Oh god, yeah. So Purdue last played
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 1: on Saturday, January seventeenth. They beat USC sixty nine sixty four, which,
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 1: by the way, was behind the nineteen points the six
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 1: rebounds of Oscar Cloff, the former Cougar. Really I watched
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 1: him play last night. It's not sure anyway, So that
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 1: was their game. Ucla on Saturday played at Ohio State,
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 1: lost eighty six seventy four. Then they had to fly
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 1: home on a charter. Would have got home. I think
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 1: that was a fairly early game looking at the score here,
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 1: get home, have all of Sunday off of Monday, and
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 1: they played Tuesday. Yes, Purdue had Sunday and Monday in
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 1: La Mick stop it just stop.
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 3: Also like saying that the Big Ten doesn't care about basketball,
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 3: that's a great way for them to get ticked off
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 3: at you.
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 1: Well, yes, I don't know what the schedule makers can
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 1: and need to do, because because you have these four
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 1: teams on the West Coast and everybody else is in
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 1: the Central sime zone or Eastern time zone, it's just
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 1: gonna be that way, right, I Mean, that's just you're
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 1: you're gonna roll through and that's what you're getting end
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 1: up having. It's just too bad, man, We're all cry
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 1: me a river it's gotta be tough getting all that
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 1: big ten TV money, micks gotta tough. And not to
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 1: mention you guys were one of the ones to make
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 1: this happen.
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 3: Ye you were on the on the blame game list. Yeah,
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 3: you're number two, pretty pretty close to the top.
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 1: It's usc and you now because you have no stones
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 1: and you have no juice, and so that way you
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 1: had to hit your wagon too, the Trojans because you're there, bitch, right,
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 1: So that's what ends up happening, right, that's what ends
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 1: up happening. And then and you end up going there, man, Croning.
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 1: So Cronin complains about road games and travel. Now he's
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 1: complaining about a home game in travel, right, got it?
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 1: Hate UCLA man, I tell you there's very few times
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 1: I root for Washington they play you see when they
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 1: found one of them, Yeah, that's one of them.
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 2: That's me.
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 1: With Gonzaga, I never he already came up here. Yeah,
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 1: I think he complained about that game they had play
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 1: eight o'clock. When they played eight o'clock at Elas Carolines.
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 1: Maybe there's some complaint about that. When they played Gonega Gonzaga.
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 1: Oh that's right, that's what it was. Yeah, Dal likes
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 1: to have a little hit party, doesn't it he does.
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 1: I don't know. Is Danny Sprinkle complaining about having to
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 1: go to Nebraska tomorrow and getting their teeth kicked in
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 1: by the eighteen and oh Huskers? I don't know. Probably
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 1: just goes hey, that's part of the Big Ten. That's
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 1: what we do. Yeah, you know, I mean god, if
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 1: anybody complain him, he's got like eighteen guys hurt right now,
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 1: it's true. Gott you shut up, shut He's done the impossible.
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 1: He's made you feel sorry for you. Dub Yeah, goodness me,
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 1: goodness met Yeah, what do you got? I have to
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 1: open it up your jest yet, let me you go refresh.
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 1: If he gave you the wrong word this hour, my
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 1: apologies whatever, soft You'll give you another one coming up
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 1: here at three. I think they're right. It just doesn't
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 1: make mistakes. Trust me. That correct just does not make mistakes.
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 1: If you're telling me she's made that's not the case.
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 1: I'm taking her word over yours. Yes, yes, fella, Andrew's
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 1: hardest working man in Seattle. I and elder abuse go
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 1: easy on Homegrin.
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 3: That's actually funny that that weird phone thing was perfect timing,
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 3: was it not? And then like I was about to
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 3: drop him, and he was, and then he sounded clear
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 3: for like two seconds and he was like it was
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 3: it was the it was or the yeah, it was
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 3: the referees. And I'm like, all right, I'm putting you
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 3: back on just to say that Uclier usc computing about
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 3: life in the Big ten? What yeah, exactly, yeah, I know, yes, yes,
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 3: uh see. I will never tire of hearing Ian say
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 3: me crooning.
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 1: Six make crowded? He just what we gonna get perish
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 1: on soon? We might start geary next week. I had
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 1: to tell him today, like we're going back and forth,
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 1: and I go, you know, normally we're done, we're you know,
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 1: like we fully moved into draft slash basketball, hockey, whatever
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 1: mode now. But the local NFL team is saying, you know, no, no, no,
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 1: we're still playing, and we're pretty much hoping. We've got
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 1: what two more weeks to see Hawk football after this,
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 1: So two and a half more weeks hopefully then maybe
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 1: I don't know. Recapping the Super Bowl on the Monday,
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 1: getting ready for a parade on the Wednesday. When was
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 1: a parade last time?
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 2: Was it?
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 1: Tuesday. It was Tuesday, right, Tuesday. Oh, no, you know
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 1: what it would have been Tuesday or Wednesday. It would
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 1: have been Wednesday, and at least Wednesday, because we were stuck.
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 1: We didn't. I didn't get back till I didn't get
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 1: back until late Monday. No, I got back Tuesday, he did. Yeah,
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 1: we got snowed in then stuck in Houston because that
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 1: was our travel. Tenary went, yeah, so it was yeah,
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 1: I think it was Wednesday or Thursday. This would have
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 1: been the perfect day for parade. Is warmer than it
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 1: was at that time, but still forty degrees this, yeah,
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 1: it was. It was cool. Let's see. I remember that
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 1: called vividly the clip. It was absolutely eclip. Those officials
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 1: waited up because they're worried about the game going to
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 1: be a blowout. The ref thing is a joke. Why
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 1: did the NFL allow that? Just move him to the
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 1: AFC game? Bad optics. Well here's the problem. Apparently Carl
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 1: Cheffers isn't much better according to Holmgren, and he's doing
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 1: the AFC game. I think is old like any refs. Nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nop.
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 5: No.
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  Speaker 1: Listen, Mike, we've all, he's been in here enough times.
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 1: You guys all have met Mike and talked to mic Coffe.
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 1: Are one of the nicest human beings on the planet.
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 1: Unless you say that you're a referee or an agent,
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 1: or Mike Gloria or Mike Florial or deem Blendi. That's
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 1: the other one, Yes, Glorial Blendino agent, referee outside that
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 1: jil giant you love. Couldn't go wrong. Yeah, that's like
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 1: one of those. There's either one way or the other
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 1: the short list. But if you're on it, you are.
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 1: You don't want to be on my short list. On
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 1: my short list. John Clayton was the same exact way. Yeah, no,
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 1: you don't want to be a show.
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 5: I know that.
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 1: That was well established when I got here. I like John.
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 1: John was great to me, great guy, great guy.
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 4: His his list was short, but it was.
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 1: It was like one lost. It's like one person, all right, soft,
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 1: he joins us. Next, thank you guys are producing stuff
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 1: right now? What are you doing load? Some of us
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 1: don't have hockey duties.
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 10: The week of the biggest game that America, biggest America
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 10: has ever seen. Here it is I think people would
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 10: be a little bit surprised as to how much work
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 10: has to go in behind the scenes to get ready
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 10: for a Super Bowl, Like you can't wait until Sunday
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 10: night at six thirty.
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 1: Hey, guess what they won the NFC? What do you
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 1: guys want to do?
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 4: Right?
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 1: When I got the number one seed? Was when I
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 1: started planning two thousand? Oh you did okay good this week?
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 1: I mean this year? Gotcha? Gotcha? Yeah?
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 5: For you?
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 1: Who played the last time? Shocky?
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 6: Yeah?
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah, how do you do good? Really? Okay? Yeah, okay,
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 1: really good? Why are you winking? Wow? That was low.
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 1: But he thinks organizing a better than Yes, I'm going
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 1: to sit out the rest of this segment.
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 10: He doesn't listen. You're on probation, doesn't let's talking about her.
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 10: You said, right, you said what you suggested better? You
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 10: suggested who does a better job?
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 1: Shock Ere.
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 10: Oh my god, I don't even know what the hell
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 10: you were asking me now anymore? You see, this is
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 10: why we have problems here because of people like you.
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 1: Let me ask you, stir in the freaking when you
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 1: went to Arizona, do you feel like all your needs
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 1: were seen to be taking care of because I take
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 1: care of myself all right, Like Chris Rock.
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 10: I take care of my kids. You helping me at all.
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 10: Just get the hell out of my house. Remember that
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 10: you don't need to worry about how Right.
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 4: Well, every single super Bowl I've worked, which is five,
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 4: I have been there all day, for all hours of
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 4: all show.
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 1: Right, So this is my eighth if they do make it.
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 10: If they make it there, they would be there, your
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 10: fourth fourth with the Seahawks.
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 1: And then I did four other ones.
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 10: My first one was the ninety six or ninety seven
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 10: Packers Patriot game in New Orleans when Mike won, obviously,
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 10: and then I did Jacksonville, I did Houston, I did Minnesota.
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 1: Didn't stay for the game for those ones. But yeah,
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 1: this would be my eighth if they if they make it,
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 1: take Seahawks, let's hope they win, Sun take Seahawks, or
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 1: and and sex being in it winning losing all out.
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 1: What was the best Super Bowl city? New Orleans by far? Yeah?
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 10: Orleans, New Orleans is the best city for everything, you guys,
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 10: right downtown everything. Oh yeah, yeah, that's perfect.
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 1: I mean Houston, Houston sucks, not the city, but the way.
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 2: That they.
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 1: Too big Houston.
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 10: We were there for the National Championship, obviously, a couple
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 10: of years ago, and man, it was brutal.
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 1: I mean it was. It took you forever to get played.
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 1: What did you think in New York?
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 10: New York, It's okay, not until the game, until the game,
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 10: and you had to get back for part of that
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 10: game was after the game, waiting for a train two
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 10: or three hours after the game was over. And my
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 10: biggest regret from that night is that I'm getting phone
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 10: calls from all my buddies.
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 1: Hey, we're not here in Central Parker, Columbus Circle. We're partying.
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 1: And I was like, you know what, I'm gonna go
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 1: to bed. Yeah, I gotta be up early.
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 10: I gotta catch a seven am flight to get back
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 10: to do the radio show the next day. And it
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 10: was dumping, horrible. Barely may it out from Newark? Yeah,
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 10: we did, But I should have stayed up all night.
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 10: So I've made a promise to myself. Not that you
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 10: people give a damn, no, I I made a promise
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 10: to myself that if we win it again and I'm there,
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 10: I'm just gonna pull it all nighter.
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 8: All right.
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 10: I'll be fifty two years old, I'll be exhausted, But
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 10: what the hell, I'm pulling it all night, all right,
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 10: whatever's left of my liver will be gone by Monday morning.
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 10: The problem is they might even do some drugs I've
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 10: never tried before, the promise, that's okay.
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 1: The problem is that stadium's out in the like in
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 1: Santa Clara, which I'm assuming you're not gonna be staying
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 1: close to that.
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 10: We're staying. We have a hotel book now in Fremont.
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 10: We're flying out of San Jose if they do make it.
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 10: This is all kind of making me slightly uncomfortable because
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 10: we have to win the game Sunday first. But this
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 10: is just giving people a little bit of a preview,
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 10: a little bit of a sneak preview of what's going
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 10: on behind the scenes at every media outlet, right.
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 1: I mean, I was talking to our old buddies Shocky
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 1: today they're making the same plans in Nenver. Yeah, well,
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 1: gotta be right. They know Jared Tidams a quarterback, that's right,
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 1: that's right.
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 10: Now, He says, the vibes are unusually high in Denver, right,
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 10: back up quarterback because they got a great d they're
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 10: playing at.
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 1: All, might hit it up there whatever be part of it. Well,
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 1: I'd rather see them than the Patriots, So I.
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 10: Would do I would do he beat the Rams first,
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 10: beat the Rams, beat the Rams.
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 1: All okay, so I don't the chink thing doesn't work.
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 1: It's gonna be the easy win on Sunday. Here's the
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 1: problem with that. You don't think the Jinx thing works.
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 10: There's people listening that thinks that think the Jinx thing works,
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 10: and they will rip your ass for what you just said.
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 10: Did you not learn your lesson in the Blue Jay series?
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 10: Did you and your partner in crime there from ten
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 10: to one not learn your freaking lesson?
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 1: I wasn't quite as I wasn't quite as aim as
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 1: him up till it's over. It's over. Here's the lesson,
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 1: young man.
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 10: Nobody will ever ever give you credit for making a
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 10: call like that when they're up to to Oh, but
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 10: they'll bust your balls if they lose the game.
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 1: Well, football, there's no lost this series. Listen. What's your
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 1: confidence factor on Sunday? I'd say fifty five to forty five.
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 1: I feel pretty good. Yeah, that's probably what out. You're
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 1: at home. You got the best defense in the NFL?
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 1: Would I probably? Why not? That's why that's where I
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 1: am Stafford scares me. He should.
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 10: He's the freaking MVP. The cooler should scare you. Sean
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 10: mcvag should scare you. You got a guy in McDonald
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 10: that's coaching his second playoff game. Mcveigh's coaching is sixteenth
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 10: and is a year older than Mike.
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 6: You know.
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 10: McVeigh turns forty on Saturday, by the way, he really
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 10: and he's got sixteen playoff games under his face?
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 1: So how much does that stuff really matter?
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 4: Right?
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 1: How much does that really matter on game day?
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 8: I don't know.
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 10: Be a good question for Mike tomorrow. Kurt Warner, by
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 10: the way, with a K will join us tomorrow with Mike.
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 10: The other Curt at four twenty and the other Kurt
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 10: with a C. Well, I think we'll join us on
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 10: Friday's radio. I just, by the way, just say heads up,
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 10: I got home and all reved up. Now, yeah about what?
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 10: Well the officials on Oh jeez, there we go. I
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 10: mean listen, just the guy has he's seven and zero
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 10: with the rams.
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well that means he's though. That's that's I think
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 1: that's a good thing. I was thinking the same thing
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 1: until I thought the same thing until Hombred told me
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 1: that with Ed Hockley. Yeah, he was one and twelve. Right, Well, hey,
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 1: you need to get that one in there. The one
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 1: come this Sunday. Well, here's the thing.
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 10: If we go one and come up with this guy,
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 10: let's make it this when the one was what's that
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 10: Carolina NFC Championship.
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 1: There you go, I like the president. Yeah, we're good.
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 1: We're good to go. Man, don't worry about stuff like that.
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 1: Lots of stuff you should worry about. That is not
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 1: one of them. You know what I hate? By the way,
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 1: you seeing my face on this stupid screen.
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 10: Don't look down there? Can I turn this around to that?
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 10: I am I am ugly enough. I don't want to
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 10: see my face. Petros, Harlan Lane Lambert will join us
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 10: right before the pregame show with the Islanders at six
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 10: o'clock tonight.
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 1: So there you go.
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 10: Yeah, thanks for the early face off, by the way,
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 10: appreciate that. Of all absolutely you can thank ESPNS and
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 10: Athlete for.
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 1: The mild mannered and marginally objectionable Inverness. This is paddle
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 1: day saying so long everyone,