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Branding and Revisiting Film Properties · Movie Meltdown

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  Speaker 3: It's showtime, folks. Enjoy the show.
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  Speaker 5: It's not just a new script, it's a new movie.
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  Speaker 5: What's up and welcome to Movie Meltdown. I'm Brian.
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  Speaker 3: I'm Phillip. And I'm Ben.
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  Speaker 5: And we're coming to you live via digital recording from
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  Speaker 5: the Oddity Studios. So once again, we're back. Philip, I
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  Speaker 5: saw you last week. It's always good to have you back.
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  Speaker 5: Thank you for joining us once again. Ben, it has
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  Speaker 5: been a long time. Officially on the show anyway. If
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  Speaker 5: you're an old school listener, you were here all the
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  Speaker 5: damn time. You were here pretty much every week. But
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  Speaker 5: that's been a while and then I wasn't sure. Again,
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  Speaker 5: half the people I still see regularly, half the people
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  Speaker 5: from that era I almost never see. So I hadn't
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  Speaker 5: seen you in forever and then We crossed over at
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  Speaker 5: the flyover this year.
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  Speaker 3: That's right, yeah.
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  Speaker 5: And I was like, we need to do stuff. I
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  Speaker 5: wasn't even sure if you lived here anymore.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, still live here, just I tend to hibernate, I guess.
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  Speaker 5: Well, we're movie geeks. I mean, we're lucky to leave
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  Speaker 5: the house anyway. So, yeah, it's easier. But every once
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  Speaker 5: in a while, we've got to branch out and go
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  Speaker 5: talk to other geeks.
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  Speaker 6: Speaking of old school days, I saw this week I
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  Speaker 6: had a Misty spotting and a Marlena spotting.
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  Speaker 5: It's like Bigfoot and Yeti in the same week. This
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  Speaker 5: is crazy.
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  Speaker 6: I said hi to Marlena, and I saw Misty from
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  Speaker 6: across the way, and I yelled her name, and she
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  Speaker 6: started walking faster.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, that doesn't surprise me. If it were someone else.
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  Speaker 6: Hopefully she didn't realize it was me.
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  Speaker 5: Normally, if she sees people that she works with, or
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  Speaker 5: where she posted the other day, somebody she supposedly went
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  Speaker 5: to high school with.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, I saw that.
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  Speaker 5: Fuck no i don't want to talk to you like
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  Speaker 5: i don't know who you were then well now.
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  Speaker 6: If she's listening and she didn't realize it was me
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  Speaker 6: i took no offense because when she sped up i
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  Speaker 6: was like yeah that sounds.
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  Speaker 5: First of all i know even if she doesn't listen
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  Speaker 5: to shows that she's on let alone that's true but
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  Speaker 5: um yeah i again you're one of the few people
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  Speaker 5: she would probably not run away from so but yeah
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  Speaker 5: see misty's on pretty regularly marlena's like An annual event. Like,
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  Speaker 5: about once a year, she'll make her appearance, and then
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  Speaker 5: everyone has to get their Marlena fix, because that's all
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  Speaker 5: you get. That's all you get. But, yeah, just get
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  Speaker 5: a recap, all of her ridiculous stories. I mean, it's
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  Speaker 5: rarely that she wants to talk about the movies anyway.
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  Speaker 5: She's got nine ridiculous things that happened to her in
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  Speaker 5: the last week to talk about instead, and then when
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  Speaker 5: she's done with those, it's like she wanders off, and
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  Speaker 5: eventually you'll see her again. I don't know. It's always
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  Speaker 5: good to bring out the old school. So that having
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  Speaker 5: been said, welcome back, Ben.
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  Speaker 3: Thank you. It's good to be back.
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  Speaker 6: Really.
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  Speaker 5: So, I mean, normally I'll start off and be like, hey,
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  Speaker 5: have you seen any movies? Have you seen any movies
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  Speaker 5: in the last several years?
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  Speaker 1: I've seen a fuck ton of movies.
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  Speaker 3: All right.
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  Speaker 5: List them alphabetically from the last time you were on.
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  Speaker 4: Go.
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  Speaker 5: Go.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, shit.
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  Speaker 5: No, no.
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  Speaker 3: Wayne's World. No, okay.
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  Speaker 5: Good choice.
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  Speaker 3: Good choice. It's my go-to.
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  Speaker 5: But no, I've definitely got one. But if you guys
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  Speaker 5: have anything you've seen lately, you know, you can throw
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  Speaker 5: it out there.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I did see the remake of Suspiria last night. I.
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  Speaker 5: Considered trying to rush out and see it today, but
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  Speaker 5: I figure we're not going to go too far into
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  Speaker 5: the specifics of that. So I was like, I'm going
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  Speaker 5: to wait. Mostly so I don't go, because I feel
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  Speaker 5: like if we're going to do a whole episode on it,
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  Speaker 5: we'll just come to it later.
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  Speaker 1: That may be good, because it's definitely a movie that
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  Speaker 1: I need to stew on. So if you need to
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  Speaker 1: take time, please.
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  Speaker 5: I had that with our previous episode. It took me
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  Speaker 5: a week to decide exactly what I felt about the
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  Speaker 5: Halloween trailer. 2 remake reboot I don't know whatever the
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  Speaker 5: hell it is so yeah we'll end up touching on
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  Speaker 5: all these things later but I guess overall what was
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  Speaker 5: your take on Suspiria like before you finished processing.
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  Speaker 1: Just well um I saw it uh with my girlfriend
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  Speaker 1: and after like the second it ended we just both
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  Speaker 1: like turned to each other and we're like holy fucking
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  Speaker 1: christ this was like the most intense Particularly, not to
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  Speaker 1: get too spoiler, but it does... The last, I'd say,
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  Speaker 1: 20 minutes are super gnarly and ridiculous and awesome. And
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  Speaker 1: it's surprisingly beautifully shot. Everyone was kind of going on
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  Speaker 1: in the reviews that I read that it doesn't have
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  Speaker 1: the kind of... colorful like colorful flamboyance of the original
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  Speaker 1: but i thought like in it it's like definitely he
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  Speaker 1: tones it down the director like the color palette but
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  Speaker 1: it's still like beautifully like just i guess shot and
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  Speaker 1: directed and like especially the the really fucked up gory
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  Speaker 1: bits or to have their own kind of like painterly
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  Speaker 1: kind of like expressionist it's not done in like I
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  Speaker 1: don't know like what you would expect from like, you
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  Speaker 1: think of the original as like this slasher movie and
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  Speaker 1: you're like, your mind associates like a certain kind of
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  Speaker 1: like gore and violence with like that whole genre. But
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  Speaker 1: like the violence in this movie, it's, it's really, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: it's just kind of, um, beautiful. Like it's, it's just
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  Speaker 1: kind of, every time there's something crazy going on, there's
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  Speaker 1: always some kind of minor key, um, piano music happening
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  Speaker 1: to kind of offset it so you kind of enter
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  Speaker 1: this like weird tranquil state like you know when there's
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  Speaker 1: just like red spring everywhere of just kind of like
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  Speaker 1: oh wow this is that would make a pretty cool
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  Speaker 1: album cover you know but true of the old one
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  Speaker 1: too but it also it also does have like plenty
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  Speaker 1: of like holy shit like look away moments so yeah.
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  Speaker 5: It's because we did just bring her up the when
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  Speaker 5: we watched the trailer the main thing that i will
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  Speaker 5: agree i had issues with but the main thing that
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  Speaker 5: pissed misty off was the adding of dakota how how
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  Speaker 5: is dakota johnson as a person character in this movie.
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  Speaker 1: She's really good she's excellent um i mean i'm concerned
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  Speaker 1: about her in general like She always seems like she's...
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  Speaker 1: I don't know.
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  Speaker 5: I don't necessarily buy her as a person, let alone
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  Speaker 5: as an actress. But I haven't watched any of those
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  Speaker 5: three dumb movies that she's kind of the only thing
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  Speaker 5: anybody knows her from.
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  Speaker 1: Well, that's the thing. That's what my girlfriend said. She
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  Speaker 1: only knew her from the Fifty Shades movies and nothing else.
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  Speaker 1: And I hadn't seen literally a frame or even a trailer,
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  Speaker 1: I think, of any of those movies. So I had
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  Speaker 1: no reference to her as this kind of franchise new.
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  Speaker 1: Star, uh, image.
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  Speaker 3: I just knew her.
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  Speaker 1: I had actually seen, um, this same director of the remake,
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  Speaker 1: his previous one before call me by your name that
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  Speaker 1: he did called a bigger splash, which she was also in.
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  Speaker 1: And that is literally the only other movie I've seen
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  Speaker 1: her in. And when I saw that, I was like, Oh,
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  Speaker 1: she's really good. I don't know who she is. Like
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  Speaker 1: apparently she's famous because of these movies, but she was,
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  Speaker 1: she was, yeah, but I had no sense of her
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  Speaker 1: being like this kind of, uh, like magazine cover, like
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  Speaker 1: can act just enough to, no, she's brilliant. Like it really, her,
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  Speaker 1: her character's arc again, not to get too, I like,
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  Speaker 1: I could, you could do like three episodes on this movie.
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  Speaker 1: Just it's, there's so much to unpack, but like her
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  Speaker 1: character's arc is really complex and she just kind of
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  Speaker 1: hits like really subtle notes, but also with like the physical,
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  Speaker 1: like the dance moves and you know, the, everything else
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  Speaker 1: she she handles pretty well and also Tilda Swinton.
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  Speaker 5: She's always amazing and confusing. And I'm like, I don't
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  Speaker 5: know what's going on with you, but you're phenomenal. She's
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  Speaker 5: just weird and impressive.
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  Speaker 6: I read she actually plays two characters in this movie,
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  Speaker 6: one of which is a dude.
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  Speaker 5: Does not surprise me.
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  Speaker 1: Possibly more than two.
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  Speaker 5: Possibly, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: That's as deep into as I'm going to get into.
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  Speaker 6: Well, what was great about that is they had built
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  Speaker 6: up a whole backstory for this actor that was playing
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  Speaker 6: this guy. And she was prepared to just go along
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  Speaker 6: with it forever, which I thought was pretty awesome.
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  Speaker 5: She might be doing it now. She's just hanging around
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  Speaker 5: the house.
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  Speaker 6: He's got his own IMDB page.
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  Speaker 3: Of course.
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  Speaker 5: All right. Well, then I guess I will cut her
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  Speaker 5: some slack and try to go into it as open-minded
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  Speaker 5: as I can. I just... I'm mostly basing it on
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  Speaker 5: her interviews. She just seems like such a brat. Like
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  Speaker 5: in the real world. And we didn't like the wig
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  Speaker 5: at all. Mostly why they chose to make her hair
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  Speaker 5: look like that when it doesn't really need to be
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  Speaker 5: within the context of the old story.
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  Speaker 3: But whatever.
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  Speaker 5: So maybe we'll have to return with an entire episode
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  Speaker 5: or several episodes based on what you said. For sure. Um, I,
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  Speaker 5: I definitely have one to pass along only cause I
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  Speaker 5: feel like it, it would not necessarily get picked up
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  Speaker 5: by people. It would fly under the radar cause it
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  Speaker 5: almost did for me. And, and even if it did,
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  Speaker 5: I think it would not get picked up by the
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  Speaker 5: people who need to be seeing it. And I think
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  Speaker 5: that's why I, cause I just sort of heard it
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  Speaker 5: was kind of decent and had like kind of ties
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  Speaker 5: to like updated noir stuff or trying to like be
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  Speaker 5: a modern day Hitchcock kind of a thing, which I'm
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  Speaker 5: always kind of a sucker for. So I'm like, okay, uh,
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  Speaker 5: I went and saw, uh, a simple favor. Do you
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  Speaker 5: know anything about it? Cause I, I knew the two
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  Speaker 5: stars that were in it, but other than that, I'm
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  Speaker 5: sitting in the theater and they get to the end
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  Speaker 5: of the credits and it's directed by Paul Fee. And
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  Speaker 5: I went, yeah, wait, the guy. Oh, okay. Like I
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  Speaker 5: just sat there going, guess that doesn't change how I'm
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  Speaker 5: going into this because I don't really know much about
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  Speaker 5: it either way. So I think that would probably throw
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  Speaker 5: people off and maybe why it didn't make a killing.
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  Speaker 5: And I think it did okay. Like it had a
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  Speaker 5: pretty good opening. But yeah, I mean, being such a
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  Speaker 5: high profile comedic director and not that this isn't comedy.
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  Speaker 5: I think that's the thing. I think that's the thing
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  Speaker 5: that's going to throw people off if they know that
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  Speaker 5: it's one of his films. But if you go into
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  Speaker 5: it and just watch it, It's amazing because it's basically
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  Speaker 5: like if you go into it and you don't know
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  Speaker 5: any of that and you get midway and you're like,
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  Speaker 5: this is like Diabolique if it starred like Carol Brady
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  Speaker 5: or June Cleaver. Like if that was our main character.
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  Speaker 6: I would see that.
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  Speaker 3: I would too.
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  Speaker 5: Because that's the thing. Again, it's another one of those
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  Speaker 5: I'm so hit and miss with some of the more
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  Speaker 5: modern stuff and things that may take off over here
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  Speaker 5: like the Dakota Johnsons of the world. Also, another one
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  Speaker 5: of those was kind of Anna Kendrick. Like, I know
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  Speaker 5: who she is, but I was trying to think, like,
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  Speaker 5: how much have I seen of hers? So I hadn't,
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  Speaker 5: because most of her big things that people know her from,
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  Speaker 5: I just haven't gotten around to watching. So I go
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  Speaker 5: into this pretty blind to her in general. She is
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  Speaker 5: amazing in this movie because she is, like, it's basically
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  Speaker 5: a mystery thriller, and at the heart of it is
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  Speaker 5: this super goody-goody... all-around wholesome mom that like is a
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  Speaker 5: like single mom raising a kid and is such a
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  Speaker 5: level of dorky that she runs her own like mom
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  Speaker 5: vlog so she's on there like showing you how to
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  Speaker 5: bake cookies and make friendship bracelets and like this is
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  Speaker 5: the level of how dorky she is so like you
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  Speaker 5: take that character and then kind of throw her in
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  Speaker 5: the middle of a relatively standard and I don't mean
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  Speaker 5: that in a bad way because I think that's sort
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  Speaker 5: of the comment that's going into it I think that's
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  Speaker 5: where the comedy comes in. But otherwise, it operates like
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  Speaker 5: a normal like murder mystery kind of a movie and
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  Speaker 5: a story as a whole. But you're throwing her in there.
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  Speaker 5: So her like goody goody performance is genius. And then
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  Speaker 5: on top of that, you've got like Blake Lively is
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  Speaker 5: like our I guess femme fatale kind of character. And
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  Speaker 5: she is just like badass. Like she is like cutthroat.
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  Speaker 5: No nonsense. businesswoman that kind of ended up with a
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  Speaker 5: kid so then they become like mom friends kind of
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  Speaker 5: and then it spirals into this whole other scenario so
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  Speaker 5: it's like that dynamic's pretty great anyway but as you
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  Speaker 5: get into it it's like I think that's the better
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  Speaker 5: part I was also thinking like I just looked today
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  Speaker 5: to see like I'm like I'm assuming he didn't write
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  Speaker 5: this so it's not written by him it's a whole
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  Speaker 5: another screenwriter that came in and she did it and
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  Speaker 5: then it's also based on a novel and And I'm like, okay,
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  Speaker 5: I think that's why it's so different. And maybe it's
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  Speaker 5: even a cut above his other. Again, I haven't seen
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  Speaker 5: all of his stuff either. But what I've seen is
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  Speaker 5: not bad. He does know how to run a comedy.
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  Speaker 5: But I think why this has such a different tone
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  Speaker 5: to it is probably based on where this novel started,
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  Speaker 5: I'm guessing. Because it also feels very much like it's
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  Speaker 5: very straight-faced, making fun of all the other, like, it's
• 15:31
  Speaker 5: got a lot of Gone Girl in there. So I'm like,
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  Speaker 5: I think it's kind of poking fun at the gone
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  Speaker 5: girl kind of thing or the girl on the train
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  Speaker 5: or all of those like novels that get turned into
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  Speaker 5: weird mystery movies and like have a big following. And
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  Speaker 5: I think it's sort of jokingly looking at how ridiculous
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  Speaker 5: that whole scenario kind of is anyway, but it doesn't
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  Speaker 5: do it like ham-fistedly. Like it's pretty subtle the way
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  Speaker 5: that it actually runs like a real murder mystery. It's
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  Speaker 5: definitely worth seeing.
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  Speaker 3: So yeah.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, I think that's one of those I don't think
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  Speaker 5: the right people would have found it. And if they did,
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  Speaker 5: they kind of went in expecting a silly Anna Kendrick movie.
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  Speaker 5: Not that she's not silly at times, but not the
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  Speaker 5: level that you're used to and not the tone that
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  Speaker 5: you're used to. So it's great and not what anybody expected,
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  Speaker 5: I'm guessing. Myself included.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I was surprised to see that he directed it.
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  Speaker 3: Because, like you.
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  Speaker 1: Said, it is kind of like... I mean, I haven't
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  Speaker 1: seen it, but I can tell from the trailer like, oh,
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  Speaker 1: this is like kind of a classic Hitchcock suspense thriller.
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  Speaker 5: I didn't even know it had any comedic angle. Like
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  Speaker 5: watching that trailer, I thought it was just straight up
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  Speaker 5: suspense movie. And then I heard it was pretty good.
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  Speaker 5: And so I was just like, okay. And so it
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  Speaker 5: is still like subcategory comedy because there's stuff like, again,
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  Speaker 5: not in the way you normally would laugh at his movies.
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  Speaker 5: But there's stuff that I, and again, I think I'm
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  Speaker 5: a different person because I was laughing at stuff that
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  Speaker 5: other people weren't. So it may be my sense of humor,
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  Speaker 5: but like to me, I really got into that kind
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  Speaker 5: of stuff that was going on kind of in between
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  Speaker 5: the lines humor that, yeah, again, I don't think you
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  Speaker 5: get with a lot of his other stuff.
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  Speaker 1: I'd be interested to see it because I like from,
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  Speaker 1: I've seen like two or three of his comedies and
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  Speaker 1: he doesn't strive me as like a visual actor. director
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  Speaker 1: like he's just he seems like kind of like a
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  Speaker 1: guy who um he's a really good director like yeah
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  Speaker 1: he made bridesmaid which was awesome but like he he's
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  Speaker 1: good at directing like comedy scripts yeah like he's one
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  Speaker 1: of those kind of i don't know that this one consistently.
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  Speaker 5: Overly like again it doesn't strike me as going for
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  Speaker 5: anything different visually and i think that kind of works
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  Speaker 5: and it's again it plays it very cut and dry
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  Speaker 5: and kind of like a straight thriller but And it's
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  Speaker 5: shot very well, but not in any way different than
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  Speaker 5: your run-of-the-mill 90s thriller kind of a thing that would
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  Speaker 5: have had all these normal thriller trappings and updated noir stuff.
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  Speaker 5: But yeah, definitely worth seeing. Phillip, Tales from the Hood 3?
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  Speaker 3: No, not yet.
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  Speaker 6: Excuse me. I haven't watched any movies since we last talked,
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  Speaker 6: but I did start season two, finally, of Big Mouth. which, uh,
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  Speaker 6: the Nick Kroll pro who I normally can't stand.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 6: Um, but it was, it's turned out to be quite funny. Uh,
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  Speaker 6: the first season was great. I didn't think there was
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  Speaker 6: any way they could top that, but they're, they're chugging
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  Speaker 6: right along.
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: And interesting. I, I, I, I happen to be a
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: big Nick Kroll fan, but sometimes like his, his shows,
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: like his characters are very, and, uh, Ridiculous and sometimes obnoxious.
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: But when he's good, he's hilarious. Like with the oh
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: hello thing that he did.
• 18:55
  Speaker 6: I just can't bring myself to watch that. Because of him.
• 19:01
  Speaker 6: And I think that's the problem is his characters are
• 19:04
  Speaker 6: usually too over the top. Just too extravagant. But it
• 19:09
  Speaker 6: seems to work for an animated series.
• 19:13
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I would think so.
• 19:15
  Speaker 5: It looks... abrasive it is it is abrasive not just
• 19:20
  Speaker 5: the the comedy but even the animation style.
• 19:22
  Speaker 6: If you're not i mean if you're not familiar with
• 19:24
  Speaker 6: it it basically deals with a bunch of kids going
• 19:26
  Speaker 6: through puberty and it's probably the most honest portrayal of
• 19:30
  Speaker 6: that that i've seen because there's you know tons of
• 19:34
  Speaker 6: coming of age movies and shows and this one deals
• 19:38
  Speaker 6: with it you know i mean there's things where i
• 19:40
  Speaker 6: look back You know, when I was 12 or 13
• 19:42
  Speaker 6: where it's like, oh, yeah, I felt like that. And
• 19:45
  Speaker 6: I guess that was normal. I guess people do go
• 19:47
  Speaker 6: through this.
• 19:48
  Speaker 5: I think I'm still going through.
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: Most isn't it interesting how like these flash animation cartoons
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: that are really popular now like you hear people talk
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: about not like oh it's like you know this show
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: it's so funny this kid they're just like it it's
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: got some real truth to it. Like with like BoJack Horseman,
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: like people are talking about like how it's just like
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: therapeutic experience. That's like very, just, just people can relate to.
• 20:16
  Speaker 5: And that's, yeah, that's one I've, I've just seen enough
• 20:20
  Speaker 5: of it to go. I don't know if that's for
• 20:22
  Speaker 5: me and I just never bothered. But like, again, I
• 20:25
  Speaker 5: was listening to somebody else describe it like in detail
• 20:28
  Speaker 5: over these last couple of years of watching it. And
• 20:30
  Speaker 5: like every time they talk about it, I'm like, Are
• 20:33
  Speaker 5: we still talking about that animated short?
• 20:36
  Speaker 6: Yeah, it's really impressive. I sat down to watch it
• 20:39
  Speaker 6: thinking this is going to be some silly, goofy, family
• 20:42
  Speaker 6: guy-esque type of show. And it does have its moments
• 20:46
  Speaker 6: where it's silly, where it's goofy. Aaron Paul is probably
• 20:49
  Speaker 6: a comedic genius just based on this show alone. But
• 20:54
  Speaker 6: it is so heavy and so not what I was...
• 20:57
  Speaker 6: I mean, it deals with... It is. suicide and drug
• 21:00
  Speaker 6: addiction and it tackles them not in a funny way
• 21:04
  Speaker 6: but in a this is fucked up sort of way
• 21:07
  Speaker 6: this needs to be discussed yeah maybe too heavy really
• 21:13
  Speaker 6: well it really with everything that's come to light over
• 21:16
  Speaker 6: the past couple years with hollywood and it's uh really
• 21:20
  Speaker 6: shady underside It delves into that hard.
• 21:24
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I think that was brought up recently, too, is
• 21:26
  Speaker 5: the fact that as all of these things keep unfolding
• 21:29
  Speaker 5: in the real world, it's like, and yep, we're throwing
• 21:32
  Speaker 5: that right. We're not missing a beat.
• 21:34
  Speaker 6: No, they're not. And they're not afraid to pull punches
• 21:37
  Speaker 6: on it.
• 21:38
  Speaker 5: Very strange.
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: All it took was a talking horse cartoon for America
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: to feel comfortable to talk about these things.
• 21:47
  Speaker 5: Yeah. All right, so there's some things to go and see.
• 21:54
  Speaker 5: Seek these out. All right, we will take our break
• 21:59
  Speaker 5: now and come back and get into some several topics probably.
• 22:14
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• 22:47
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• 22:50
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  Speaker 1: I know you're wrong.
• 23:03
  Speaker 4: Tender, exciting, but are practically opposites. You've got to decide
• 23:08
  Speaker 4: what kind of a picture this is. Is it a
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  Speaker 5: Tell anyone I'm coming to your city. Exactly. All the cities.
• 24:01
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• 24:02
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• 29:09
  Speaker 4: Uh.
• 29:16
  Speaker 5: So, again, if you miss the... We hit it every
• 29:20
  Speaker 5: once in a while, mostly because people don't write in
• 29:23
  Speaker 5: and give us good topics. So, basically, it's just anytime
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  Speaker 5: we do the grind, we just throw out a general
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  Speaker 5: topic or a specific question or something for us to
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• 29:34
  Speaker 5: this week, we had it kind of thrown out by you, Ben,
• 29:38
  Speaker 5: which was like... which oddly tied into a big chunk
• 29:42
  Speaker 5: of our last episode anyway. So I was like, this
• 29:44
  Speaker 5: is good to just kind of roll into that. But
• 29:47
  Speaker 5: you were discussing sort of the ridiculous amount, I'd say,
• 29:52
  Speaker 5: because actually the way that you said it had at
• 29:55
  Speaker 5: least two, but then I was like, wait, there's three
• 29:58
  Speaker 5: episodes In the theaters, right? In the first-run theaters. Because
• 30:01
  Speaker 5: I was looking when I went to go see my movie.
• 30:03
  Speaker 5: I was like, there are three movies in the theater
• 30:06
  Speaker 5: that only had eight movies at the one I was
• 30:09
  Speaker 5: looking at the listing. And they were all remakes and
• 30:12
  Speaker 5: or sort of a reboot with one of them that
• 30:15
  Speaker 5: we just talked about last week. But, like, there's so
• 30:17
  Speaker 5: many things that are just sort of without even addressing
• 30:22
  Speaker 5: that anymore. Like, it's become so... so normal that I
• 30:26
  Speaker 5: think that's just where we are now. So I think,
• 30:29
  Speaker 5: I don't know, was there anything else you wanted to
• 30:31
  Speaker 5: add to that original pitch of what we were throwing
• 30:33
  Speaker 5: this into?
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: Just that I just get the creeping feeling, just aside
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: from exceptions like the Halloween remake and the Suspiria remake,
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: which I like both of those, but there's... I'm just
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: taking the whole phenomenon as Hollywood just is literally running
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: out of ideas.
• 30:58
  Speaker 6: I've been saying that for a while.
• 31:01
  Speaker 5: That's what I was going to say. We would say that,
• 31:05
  Speaker 5: except we've been saying that. Especially, there was that run,
• 31:11
  Speaker 5: I guess, started in the late 90s and then all
• 31:14
  Speaker 5: through the early 2000s that they were just cranking out,
• 31:17
  Speaker 5: especially horror. Anything even... 20, sometimes 10 years old, it
• 31:23
  Speaker 5: would be time to do another remake of it. And
• 31:26
  Speaker 5: I remember just, again, that's how I know it hasn't
• 31:29
  Speaker 5: been that long. We were on the show complaining about it.
• 31:31
  Speaker 5: So I feel like it's been an ongoing thing.
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 31:36
  Speaker 6: So I don't even think that it's... Well, it's been
• 31:38
  Speaker 6: an ongoing thing since 20 years after Hollywood really got going.
• 31:41
  Speaker 5: That's what I was going to say. And that's why
• 31:43
  Speaker 5: one of the three, that's the one that you didn't
• 31:45
  Speaker 5: have on your list was... A Star is Born is
• 31:48
  Speaker 5: also out in the theater right now and doing really well.
• 31:51
  Speaker 5: And I was like, that's one that they've done four
• 31:55
  Speaker 5: times at least. And I brought this up on a
• 31:59
  Speaker 5: recent episode, but it was something I heard someone else
• 32:02
  Speaker 5: bring up that like we should have already had another
• 32:05
  Speaker 5: one if we're going by. There was like a 30s,
• 32:09
  Speaker 5: a 50s, a 70s, and now. So we should have
• 32:14
  Speaker 5: had a 90s. We should have, right in the middle
• 32:16
  Speaker 5: of the 90s, had a full-on Star is Born that
• 32:19
  Speaker 5: we skipped. So truthfully, we're way behind on the Star
• 32:23
  Speaker 5: is Born reboot. Let's do another one cycle.
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: I guess Baz Luhrmann was busy or something at the time.
• 32:29
  Speaker 5: I would totally watch it. Good or bad, I would
• 32:33
  Speaker 5: watch it. But I mean, that's one of those... And
• 32:37
  Speaker 5: then that... That's going back to what you just said,
• 32:40
  Speaker 5: and that's what I was thinking, too, with that as
• 32:42
  Speaker 5: an example. It's like, it's not really a new thing.
• 32:44
  Speaker 5: They've done that since the beginning of, like, they take
• 32:46
  Speaker 5: that idea of, ah, that was 20 years ago. That's
• 32:49
  Speaker 5: old news, and let's do a new one.
• 32:51
  Speaker 6: At least in the 30s, you had the advent of sound,
• 32:53
  Speaker 6: so why not? Let's make these.
• 32:55
  Speaker 5: We do need to redo this. This new technology.
• 32:58
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 32:59
  Speaker 5: But I feel like that's what they always end up saying.
• 33:01
  Speaker 5: Look at, again, that run of horror remakes. Oh, that
• 33:04
  Speaker 5: was back in the late 70s. The special effects look terrible.
• 33:07
  Speaker 5: Let's put lots of CG in it in this new version.
• 33:10
  Speaker 6: We are also getting to the point where the non-movie
• 33:13
  Speaker 6: geeks are noticing. Like, the mainstream audiences are like, isn't
• 33:16
  Speaker 6: there anything new?
• 33:17
  Speaker 5: Didn't we just do that?
• 33:18
  Speaker 6: And it's spread over into television. You know, because we've
• 33:21
  Speaker 6: got the... There was The Odd Couple... remake there was
• 33:26
  Speaker 6: the roseanne reboot which is now how.
• 33:28
  Speaker 5: Many times have they tried to do the outcome well
• 33:30
  Speaker 5: yeah well yeah i mean all of those they try
• 33:34
  Speaker 5: to they have brought back and successfully like i think
• 33:38
  Speaker 5: even before roseanne they'd already done the will and grace
• 33:40
  Speaker 5: and then there's another one of those that i think
• 33:43
  Speaker 5: they're gonna bring back now too so they're like of
• 33:45
  Speaker 5: that same run i don't I don't know. As time's
• 33:50
  Speaker 5: gone on, I've got less and less of a problem
• 33:52
  Speaker 5: with the idea, like the concept of it.
• 33:56
  Speaker 11: So I don't know.
• 33:57
  Speaker 5: What were you going to say?
• 33:58
  Speaker 3: Well, I just.
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: It's typically.
• 34:02
  Speaker 3: It's usually.
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: A genre thing.
• 34:07
  Speaker 3: There are.
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: Like the Star is Born thing. I feel like the
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: Star is Born is kind of its own phenomenon.
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: Like it's just like this great classic Hollywood tale that's
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: kind of... meta and kind of sell or not meta,
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: but that's so, so stupid thing to say, but it's just,
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: it kind of, well, yeah, the idea of just celebrity
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: and just, you know, the, the classic rise and fall
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: of the, in, you know, it's just a great, the
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: story is just a great framework and, you know, people
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: like to see whatever, you know, star, quote-unquote, is whoever's
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: famous during their time, you know, being able to tell
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: their own version. But it's definitely more a horror thing,
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: or a horror, a sci-fi, or.
• 34:57
  Speaker 6: It seems to be the prevalent.
• 34:59
  Speaker 13: Yeah.
• 34:59
  Speaker 6: It's the horror.
• 35:00
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 35:01
  Speaker 6: I mean, because we've gotten multiple... Two Mummy remakes. One
• 35:04
  Speaker 6: spawned a very successful franchise. The other fell face-first into
• 35:09
  Speaker 6: the dirt.
• 35:09
  Speaker 5: Because they did it all wrong.
• 35:11
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 35:12
  Speaker 5: But I think they did the other one all wrong, so...
• 35:15
  Speaker 5: I think I'm in the minority there. People still love
• 35:17
  Speaker 5: that series, but I've bitched about it in the past.
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: It sucks because it's usually based, like with The Mummy,
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: that was particularly bad because I feel like they made
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: the Tom Cruise remake because of nostalgia for a remake that.
• 35:36
  Speaker 3: Wasn't that great to begin with.
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: I feel like my generation, like 90s kids, saw it
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: when they were like eight years old I thought it
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: was the coolest thing ever. Which, if you go back
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: and watch the Brendan Fraser Mummy movie, I have to say,
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: it is like, for what it is, it's really just good,
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: dumb fun.
• 35:57
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 35:59
  Speaker 6: It's good. It's moments.
• 36:00
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: It's a very competent, like, structured.
• 36:04
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a good way to.
• 36:05
  Speaker 5: I think I would never let myself enjoy it for that.
• 36:07
  Speaker 5: Because I think when I looked at it, I could
• 36:09
  Speaker 5: break it down and be like, okay, I see what
• 36:11
  Speaker 5: they're trying to do, but I couldn't get over the
• 36:13
  Speaker 5: Brendan Fraser part. And I feel like it suffered from, again,
• 36:17
  Speaker 5: it was that same angle of like, those old movies
• 36:20
  Speaker 5: were old timey. CG is the new thing. So like
• 36:23
  Speaker 5: it suffers a lot from bad CG because they just
• 36:26
  Speaker 5: were figuring it out. It's like it's not their fault.
• 36:28
  Speaker 5: Like it was just they had not like sanded off
• 36:31
  Speaker 5: the edges on the new CG yet. So I don't know.
• 36:36
  Speaker 5: I mean, do you feel like it is a problem?
• 36:40
  Speaker 5: Because again, my take on all of this has changed
• 36:43
  Speaker 5: so much just in the span of this show existing. Like,
• 36:47
  Speaker 5: I've done sort of a 180 completely on the concept.
• 36:51
  Speaker 3: But I don't know.
• 36:52
  Speaker 5: What is your take on the idea of it as
• 36:55
  Speaker 5: a whole?
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: I think... The more I think about it, the more
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: I'm like.
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: I guess as long as it's good and it's made
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: for the right reasons and it's done in its own
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: way that's a vision from a director's standpoint and it's
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: not a cash-in for the studios. And sometimes it can
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: be both. I'm sure Blumhouse was more than happy to
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: put out a Halloween movie at Halloween. That's been proven
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: to be a thing that works with all the other
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: Michael Myers sequels.
• 37:31
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, any horror franchise at Halloween is a
• 37:34
  Speaker 5: good idea. Probably.
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: It's a good solid lock-in. But I think I was
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: really glad that they got David Gordon Green to do it.
• 37:44
  Speaker 3: Just because he's... They could have... I don't know.
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: I feel like it was a really modest choice, but he.
• 37:55
  Speaker 5: It's a strange choice to me.
• 37:56
  Speaker 3: Yeah, well, he's like, I don't know, his.
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: Style, I guess, is kind of like modest or has that,
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: he still has that indie kind of like, he's not
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: trying to dazzle you or like, you know.
• 38:07
  Speaker 6: Yeah, you could have ended up with a very in-your-face
• 38:09
  Speaker 6: type of movie, which I don't.
• 38:11
  Speaker 5: Rob Zombie.
• 38:12
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 38:12
  Speaker 5: We already had one of those.
• 38:13
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 38:15
  Speaker 5: Look at the visuals going on in that second Halloween
• 38:18
  Speaker 5: movie that he did. Oh, God. It's so bad. I mean,
• 38:21
  Speaker 5: it's bad, but I'm like, it's one of those, I
• 38:23
  Speaker 5: will always give him credit. He is a visual director. Sure.
• 38:25
  Speaker 5: And some of the stuff he comes up with is amazing.
• 38:28
  Speaker 5: It's all the other stuff I fault him for. I'm like,
• 38:31
  Speaker 5: you put other stuff together so wrong. But visually, he's
• 38:35
  Speaker 5: got a great eye and imagination to come up with it.
• 38:38
  Speaker 6: He's visual over storytelling.
• 38:40
  Speaker 5: Yeah, definitely.
• 38:41
  Speaker 6: And sometimes that... Can work, but.
• 38:44
  Speaker 5: Not often for him. That's just my take.
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I feel like if it's, you know,
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: that's fine if the studios want to take advantage of
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: like a known property.
• 38:53
  Speaker 4: Sure.
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: That's, you know, beloved by a lot of people. But
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: as long as they get someone who's, again, who like
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: wants to make it for the right reasons, who is
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: respectful of the original filmmaker, like the fact that they
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: got John Carpenter... on board as a producer and as
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: the composer yeah that's pretty awesome yeah so you can
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: tell that when watching it it was they made it
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: with a lot of care maybe it was you know
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: that's kind of that might be like one criticism you
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: could say that it was maybe like kind of you
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: know would away just so much after multiple test screen
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: just to appease fans of the original so they don't
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: you know take too many risks like it's a very
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: it's a very um good halloween movie but it's also
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: very safe like it hits those it's kind of kind
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: of the same way that the um that J.J. Abrams'
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: Star Wars did, just where it kind of.
• 39:52
  Speaker 5: That one was.
• 39:53
  Speaker 3: It hit the right notes.
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: It was a good enough movie just to, you know,
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: to get by. But it wasn't terrible. And, you know,
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: everyone would seem to be glad that, you know, they
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: made it.
• 40:07
  Speaker 5: Seemingly based on box office?
• 40:09
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, yeah, I guess basically, yeah.
• 40:11
  Speaker 5: Again, you can go back an episode, but I have
• 40:14
  Speaker 5: issues with the sloppy screenwriting.
• 40:16
  Speaker 6: But that's... Yeah, that's my major concern.
• 40:18
  Speaker 3: Oh, I do too.
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: Maybe I was being too nice on Star Wars, but it's... Well, no,
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: this was Halloween.
• 40:22
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 40:23
  Speaker 6: Well, like I said last week, I still feel that
• 40:25
  Speaker 6: there were too many ideas that they probably could have
• 40:28
  Speaker 6: pared down a little bit.
• 40:30
  Speaker 5: Well, it could have, yeah, could have... rewritten and and
• 40:34
  Speaker 5: honed down what what they had going and again we
• 40:37
  Speaker 5: came up with 12 better movies by the time we
• 40:39
  Speaker 5: were done last time so that but all that aside
• 40:43
  Speaker 5: i think this is because that that is one of
• 40:45
  Speaker 5: those that i was even going to kind of redefine
• 40:47
  Speaker 5: what it is that we're looking at here because you
• 40:49
  Speaker 5: threw it out as remakes but the more i thought
• 40:52
  Speaker 5: about i was like because that one in particular is
• 40:54
  Speaker 5: like it's not even a remake It's not officially even
• 40:57
  Speaker 5: a reboot. Like it's just, it's a reboot of the
• 41:01
  Speaker 5: concept more or less. So to me it became more
• 41:03
  Speaker 5: about like, and I think this is almost what you
• 41:07
  Speaker 5: were just talking about when you were talking about the
• 41:08
  Speaker 5: Blumhouse thing. It's almost branding. It's almost taking a property
• 41:14
  Speaker 5: and then branding it so that people are familiar with,
• 41:17
  Speaker 5: if not you, like Blumhouse has done it as a studio.
• 41:20
  Speaker 5: Like people know what to expect from, from that studio
• 41:24
  Speaker 5: even if they don't even know what the movie is
• 41:26
  Speaker 5: they've made enough of a name for themselves in the
• 41:28
  Speaker 5: horror genre and then all these little break off companies
• 41:31
  Speaker 5: of theirs that like people will go see whatever their
• 41:34
  Speaker 5: new movie is now but then you get that with
• 41:37
  Speaker 5: the bigger studios that also buy into the franchises so
• 41:39
  Speaker 5: i think even more than remakes we're just looking at
• 41:43
  Speaker 5: any property that's a recognizable name, if it's either a
• 41:47
  Speaker 5: preexisting movie and we're remaking it, or it's another series,
• 41:51
  Speaker 5: it's another sequel in a series, or it's just taking
• 41:54
  Speaker 5: a recognizable thing like a book title and then turning
• 41:58
  Speaker 5: it into something that we either have already seen before
• 42:01
  Speaker 5: and doing it differently, or we've just taking it from
• 42:05
  Speaker 5: a new medium.
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: So that speaks exactly to, I think why I'm, making
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: myself like rethink, rethink how I feel about remakes because
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: like 10 years ago, cause they've been doing this for
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: as long as I've been alive. And like 10 years
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: ago where there was like all of these, it seemed
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: to be, there was like all these shot for shot,
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: like really bad, like those kinds, you know what I mean?
• 42:30
  Speaker 5: There's, there's two guys.
• 42:31
  Speaker 3: Psycho.
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah, like, I think that started with, sorry, Gus Van Sant, but.
• 42:36
  Speaker 5: Well, I was going to say, and with a really
• 42:37
  Speaker 5: talented director in the right, with the right property.
• 42:41
  Speaker 3: That was a weird one.
• 42:42
  Speaker 5: Yeah, that's the one that doesn't fit at all. I'll
• 42:44
  Speaker 5: call out the hack directors, but I'm like, he can
• 42:46
  Speaker 5: make a good movie.
• 42:47
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: But there seemed to be like, in like, you know, 2005, 2006,
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: around that time, like all of these really, really terrible,
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: like shot for shot remakes of horror and sci-fi movies
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: that were done by just like. music video directors not
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: like filmmakers and now it seems like the studios have
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: kind of like wised up or you know for like
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: bloom house like they they seem to be like actually
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: care about creators and you know a director's you know
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: just creative impulses they they kind of give them more
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: room i think so with going back to the paul
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: feig thing like i think they kind of did that
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: with with Ghostbusters, even though it was, you know, the
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: Ghostbusters remake was what it was, but it was totally
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: like Paul Feig, like a Paul Feig movie.
• 43:40
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: They weren't trying, they weren't like, you know, looking over
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: his shoulder being like, we have to make a shot
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: for a shot of, you know, Slimer barfing on, you know, whatever.
• 43:50
  Speaker 3: Like it was.
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: So I think, yeah, it's, If they're going to do remakes,
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: I'm glad they're going in the direction of let's trust
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: the director. Let's not try to recreate John Carpenter's Halloween.
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: Let's try to make David Gordon Green's Halloween. Let's let
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: the fans take that on its own terms.
• 44:14
  Speaker 3: If David Gordon Green.
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: Is true to what he set out to do, the
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: fans will probably.
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: They may not embrace it fully, but they can be
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: okay with it and say, okay, the original Halloween is
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: still there. I can respect this other thing that's maybe
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: for a newer generation of folks. And I'm glad at
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: least that they didn't fuck it up.
• 44:43
  Speaker 5: I think with any of these, and this is not
• 44:45
  Speaker 5: to go back to, again, we've done plenty of Halloween,
• 44:48
  Speaker 5: but just this is a good example because I feel
• 44:51
  Speaker 5: like with any of them, their their lifespan is only
• 44:54
  Speaker 5: as long as fans want it to be. So, I mean,
• 44:56
  Speaker 5: people will still like constantly talk about that Carpenter Halloween
• 45:02
  Speaker 5: and will continually like horror fans for generations now still
• 45:06
  Speaker 5: come back to that. It's like this is it. This
• 45:08
  Speaker 5: is the pinnacle of at least a specific pinnacle of
• 45:12
  Speaker 5: horror movies is right here in this movie. Now, like
• 45:16
  Speaker 5: you jump ahead, like you've got somebody like a pretty
• 45:19
  Speaker 5: recognizable name like Rob Zombie comes in. His stuff made
• 45:22
  Speaker 5: a good amount of money. They had great openings. They
• 45:25
  Speaker 5: had a good fan base. They have people that love
• 45:27
  Speaker 5: the actors in it. But it's damn near 10 years later.
• 45:31
  Speaker 5: Are people still talking about those movies? And I'm like,
• 45:35
  Speaker 5: I have more against them than most people. But I'm
• 45:37
  Speaker 5: just like, I try to take that out. And I'm
• 45:39
  Speaker 5: just like, do I hear people reference the Rob Zombie
• 45:43
  Speaker 5: Halloween movie? in even a fraction of the amount that
• 45:47
  Speaker 5: they would with like the Carpenter win. And I'm like,
• 45:50
  Speaker 5: so to me, it's just, you, I don't know. It's
• 45:52
  Speaker 5: kind of like make your movie and the audience will
• 45:55
  Speaker 5: find it or not, or, you know, they'll embrace it
• 45:58
  Speaker 5: as much as they want to. And that might be
• 46:01
  Speaker 5: calling it a masterpiece or that might be, I loved
• 46:04
  Speaker 5: it this weekend and next weekend I'm going to go
• 46:05
  Speaker 5: see something else. Like, I feel like it is like,
• 46:09
  Speaker 5: I don't know. I used to be very, and again,
• 46:12
  Speaker 5: you can hear this on the show. In the early days,
• 46:14
  Speaker 5: we just trashed the whole idea of any remake ever.
• 46:17
  Speaker 5: It was just like, oh God, another remake. Here we go.
• 46:20
  Speaker 5: And as time's gone on, I've been like, I'm okay
• 46:23
  Speaker 5: with the concept. And I think I brought it up before,
• 46:27
  Speaker 5: but this is my take on it that I think
• 46:30
  Speaker 5: I just stumbled upon myself when thinking about as an
• 46:35
  Speaker 5: art form. I still, as much as we talk about
• 46:37
  Speaker 5: a lot of cheesy movies... I still think of all
• 46:39
  Speaker 5: of filmmaking as an art form. So like, I'm like,
• 46:42
  Speaker 5: why is it that we pinpoint what the specifics of
• 46:47
  Speaker 5: a film have to be or are supposed to be
• 46:50
  Speaker 5: when we don't really do that in any other art form?
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 46:53
  Speaker 5: Like specifically, like something is close to the same production
• 46:57
  Speaker 5: as a play. A play... will be done over and
• 47:01
  Speaker 5: over again. Look how long we've done the same cast,
• 47:04
  Speaker 5: Shakespeare plays. And like, even just like American kind of
• 47:07
  Speaker 5: classics that we'll come back to. How many times have
• 47:09
  Speaker 5: they done our town over and over and over? And like,
• 47:14
  Speaker 5: basically each time you kind of reinterpret it and you
• 47:17
  Speaker 5: kind of bring in like a different cast and a
• 47:19
  Speaker 5: different director. And you were like, okay, let's see what
• 47:21
  Speaker 5: they do with it. And audiences continue to show up.
• 47:25
  Speaker 5: Not quite to the same amount of like, you know,
• 47:27
  Speaker 5: mass movies, audiences, but like, Even your little neighborhood group
• 47:32
  Speaker 5: of actors get together and do stuff and the audience
• 47:35
  Speaker 5: shows up because they want to see, oh, let's see
• 47:37
  Speaker 5: what they do with this. Why is it so different
• 47:39
  Speaker 5: with film? We get to a point where like, oh,
• 47:42
  Speaker 5: I've already seen that before. I'm like, but you haven't
• 47:44
  Speaker 5: seen Our Town 28 times? I feel like there is
• 47:49
  Speaker 5: such a stigma that comes with this. It's like, well,
• 47:51
  Speaker 5: once it's been committed to film, that's it. We're done.
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: We don't need it ever again.
• 47:55
  Speaker 5: I'm like, really?
• 47:56
  Speaker 3: Because.
• 47:57
  Speaker 5: look at the fly, look at the thing. I mean,
• 48:00
  Speaker 5: like there's, there's people that took an entirely different approach
• 48:04
  Speaker 5: to a really basic version of that story and went
• 48:07
  Speaker 5: their entire own way with it. So I'm like, you
• 48:10
  Speaker 5: can't allow anyone else a shot at doing that on film.
• 48:14
  Speaker 3: I don't know.
• 48:14
  Speaker 5: I feel like that's the part that started rubbing me
• 48:17
  Speaker 5: the wrong way that people in specifically movie gigs get
• 48:21
  Speaker 5: like that death grip on like, Nope, this is the
• 48:23
  Speaker 5: way I like it. Nobody's allowed to make it. And
• 48:25
  Speaker 5: I'm like, kind of.
• 48:26
  Speaker 6: Not how art works if i hear if i hear
• 48:29
  Speaker 6: one more person say whenever there's a remake you you
• 48:31
  Speaker 6: hear the phrase this this totally ruined my childhood if
• 48:35
  Speaker 6: that's what ruined your childhood was because somebody remade ghostbusters
• 48:39
  Speaker 6: and you didn't like it odds.
• 48:42
  Speaker 5: Are you know we can sit you down with a
• 48:44
  Speaker 5: therapist and find a lot of things that ruined your
• 48:46
  Speaker 5: childhood and it probably has nothing to do with ghostbusters
• 48:48
  Speaker 5: or any other movie but yeah that's just such a
• 48:52
  Speaker 5: cheap lowbrow way to look at anything like and that's coming.
• 48:58
  Speaker 6: We've discussed this before if you if you hate a
• 49:01
  Speaker 6: movie and you have legitimate reasons like i didn't like
• 49:05
  Speaker 6: this actor i didn't like the script i didn't like
• 49:08
  Speaker 6: the lighting whatever that's one thing but just because it's
• 49:12
  Speaker 6: a new version of something you've seen before that gets
• 49:17
  Speaker 6: kind of silly.
• 49:18
  Speaker 5: My example from earlier, that is never, and not even, like, again,
• 49:24
  Speaker 5: now it would be a conscious choice to not do that.
• 49:26
  Speaker 5: But because it was so removed, like, I never wanted
• 49:29
  Speaker 5: to hate the Brendan Fraser mummy because it was a mummy. Like,
• 49:32
  Speaker 5: I didn't even put it in the same category as, like,
• 49:35
  Speaker 5: the original Universal classic mummy.
• 49:37
  Speaker 6: Right.
• 49:38
  Speaker 5: Like to me, it was just like, yeah, it's a
• 49:40
  Speaker 5: story with a mummy in it, but it's not that story.
• 49:42
  Speaker 5: You're not even doing a remake, really. It's just a
• 49:45
  Speaker 5: mummy is a very general thing in the world and
• 49:48
  Speaker 5: took place a lot back in the day. And like,
• 49:50
  Speaker 5: you can tell a whole new story. So to me,
• 49:52
  Speaker 5: I went into it because I didn't like Brendan Fraser.
• 49:55
  Speaker 5: No offense to him. He seems like a nice enough guy,
• 49:57
  Speaker 5: but I just, if you don't care for his acting,
• 49:59
  Speaker 5: I don't like what he's doing on screen. And that
• 50:02
  Speaker 5: became my reason that I had issues with it. Not because,
• 50:06
  Speaker 5: so even then I feel like I don't want to
• 50:09
  Speaker 5: do that. And that was sort of an unconscious version. So. Again,
• 50:12
  Speaker 5: now each time we go in, I do go in
• 50:15
  Speaker 5: with my guard up. I'm like, okay, I've already seen
• 50:17
  Speaker 5: one that I like, so the bar's set a little
• 50:20
  Speaker 5: higher for you coming in. If you want to redo
• 50:22
  Speaker 5: a property that was already done well, it's pretty easy
• 50:25
  Speaker 5: if you take a crappy movie and decide to remake it,
• 50:29
  Speaker 5: which they really should do more of. There's a lot
• 50:31
  Speaker 5: of old B movies that nobody ever paid attention to
• 50:35
  Speaker 5: that you wouldn't even notice if you ripped it off.
• 50:37
  Speaker 6: You mentioned The Fly a minute ago, which I loved.
• 50:41
  Speaker 6: The Vincent Price version. But I also love the Jeff
• 50:44
  Speaker 6: Goldblum version.
• 50:44
  Speaker 5: It's a very different movie.
• 50:45
  Speaker 6: Two different movies.
• 50:46
  Speaker 5: And it's tackling different things.
• 50:48
  Speaker 6: Same concept. But they refined it. And yeah, they made
• 50:51
  Speaker 6: it a little bit more modern. But they also spent
• 50:54
  Speaker 6: more time, it felt like, on that story. Other than, oh,
• 50:57
  Speaker 6: a guy turns into a fly. And then Spider eats him.
• 51:01
  Speaker 5: And again, it takes a weird, totally different, darker turn
• 51:06
  Speaker 5: with our main character. I do feel like we're a
• 51:08
  Speaker 5: little more in.
• 51:10
  Speaker 5: In the character once we get to Goldblum and the
• 51:13
  Speaker 5: Blumhoffi is a big mess. And like, you start to
• 51:16
  Speaker 5: see there is weird humanity to him. I'm like, I
• 51:19
  Speaker 5: don't know if they were worrying about as much in
• 51:20
  Speaker 5: the help me, help me. It seems a little sillier now,
• 51:25
  Speaker 5: but you know, anything with Vincent Price, awesome. So I
• 51:29
  Speaker 5: don't know. I think, I think there is a way
• 51:30
  Speaker 5: to do that. That's, that's, it's fine. You know, it's like, it, it,
• 51:35
  Speaker 5: it isn't bad. From the get-go. I feel like it
• 51:38
  Speaker 5: is something that should be allowed and without near as
• 51:43
  Speaker 5: much backlash as usually comes with all these things.
• 51:46
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 51:46
  Speaker 5: So, I don't know. I mean, there are ones that
• 51:49
  Speaker 5: seem harder to approach. The one I just put, again,
• 51:54
  Speaker 5: on Facebook, I just forwarded on a story that they're
• 51:57
  Speaker 5: going to remake Clueless.
• 51:58
  Speaker 3: I heard that, yeah. Haven't even seen.
• 52:02
  Speaker 5: Now that one, I decent movie. I mean, it's not
• 52:05
  Speaker 5: one of my favorites, but no, I love the cast
• 52:09
  Speaker 5: again for, for its time period. And for what it's
• 52:12
  Speaker 5: trying to do, I think it is a masterpiece, but
• 52:16
  Speaker 5: it is also a very specific approach. So that's going
• 52:19
  Speaker 5: to be the thing that's going to be hard. If
• 52:20
  Speaker 5: you come at it and try to redo that, it's
• 52:23
  Speaker 5: not going to work because it was also in a
• 52:25
  Speaker 5: very specific time and place. Like the references only kind
• 52:28
  Speaker 5: of worked in that time period. Like it, it's dated
• 52:32
  Speaker 5: already in that short span of time. So much so
• 52:35
  Speaker 5: that like the jokes only work if you kind of
• 52:37
  Speaker 5: get those jokes from the moment. So I can see
• 52:40
  Speaker 5: them sort of wanting to modernize it. A lot has
• 52:43
  Speaker 5: happened in the span of time since Clueless in the world,
• 52:46
  Speaker 5: mostly just technologically, but also just girls in high school.
• 52:50
  Speaker 5: Like a lot of it's kind of changed a little bit.
• 52:53
  Speaker 5: So I think there is a way.
• 52:54
  Speaker 6: I feel like if it's, if it's approached properly, we
• 52:56
  Speaker 6: may end up with a, halfway decent movie.
• 52:59
  Speaker 5: Could be, but if they try to ride the coattails
• 53:03
  Speaker 5: of what worked so well in that last one, I
• 53:05
  Speaker 5: think it's going to be like a bad version. Again,
• 53:08
  Speaker 5: they made a TV version of Clueless that I don't
• 53:11
  Speaker 5: think I realized was on for as many years as
• 53:13
  Speaker 5: it was.
• 53:13
  Speaker 6: It was on for a long time.
• 53:14
  Speaker 5: I enjoyed it. I liked it better than the movie. See,
• 53:17
  Speaker 5: I remember because they did at least carry over most
• 53:20
  Speaker 5: of the other cast was on there, so I do
• 53:23
  Speaker 5: remember watching it a decent amount, but I still feel
• 53:26
  Speaker 5: like that wasn't... It wasn't doing the same thing that
• 53:30
  Speaker 5: was going on. I think that's because there was such
• 53:32
  Speaker 5: good writing in there. Again, I haven't watched much of it.
• 53:34
  Speaker 5: So it may have held up better on its own
• 53:36
  Speaker 5: than I remember. But I feel like it was trying
• 53:39
  Speaker 5: to mimic something that we'd already seen, which is really
• 53:42
  Speaker 5: hard to do when it's such a specific voice that
• 53:44
  Speaker 5: that movie had. That I think if that's what they're
• 53:47
  Speaker 5: going to do, which I think I read the screenwriter
• 53:50
  Speaker 5: and it was actually somebody good. So hopefully if we're
• 53:53
  Speaker 5: going into it with a pretty... you know, with someone
• 53:56
  Speaker 5: who's secure in themselves as what they're trying to do
• 53:59
  Speaker 5: and trying to bring their own take on that general story.
• 54:03
  Speaker 5: It's like, that's, that's more or less what you're trying
• 54:05
  Speaker 5: to do. I think that's going to work versus trying
• 54:08
  Speaker 5: to do just an updated version of the same jokes
• 54:12
  Speaker 5: that probably will fall flat now because the references don't
• 54:17
  Speaker 5: make any sense anymore.
• 54:18
  Speaker 1: Here's why I think I, and I'm, I'm totally guilty
• 54:21
  Speaker 1: of this. Like if I find out like that my favorite,
• 54:26
  Speaker 1: horror movies getting remade i'm usually going to be like
• 54:29
  Speaker 1: oh you know fuck this again that used to always
• 54:33
  Speaker 1: be my response yeah and i think that because just
• 54:36
  Speaker 1: based on it being done so terribly um where basically
• 54:40
  Speaker 1: the remake it's usually in these those kind of shot
• 54:43
  Speaker 1: for shot ones where um they'll try to like literally just, like,
• 54:50
  Speaker 1: lift scenes or beats, and it makes it look like
• 54:54
  Speaker 1: the movie's trying to pass it off, like it just came, like,
• 54:58
  Speaker 1: it's trying to take that from the original and minimize
• 55:01
  Speaker 1: the original, so, like, fans of the original get really,
• 55:05
  Speaker 1: you know, upset, and, like, this is a step back
• 55:08
  Speaker 1: for culture.
• 55:09
  Speaker 3: And all this.
• 55:11
  Speaker 1: I think, like, it's definitely a personal thing to where,
• 55:15
  Speaker 1: you know, it feels like, It's like the idea of
• 55:20
  Speaker 1: the thing you love, you know, being tore down and
• 55:23
  Speaker 1: built up again. It kind of feels, you know, it's
• 55:28
  Speaker 1: like someone shitting on your sports team or something, you know,
• 55:31
  Speaker 1: like you just don't like it.
• 55:32
  Speaker 5: I mean, as a movie geek, I can call us out.
• 55:36
  Speaker 5: We're a bunch of pissy bitches. We're very overly dramatic
• 55:41
  Speaker 5: about things.
• 55:42
  Speaker 1: There's this thing called film Twitter.
• 55:46
  Speaker 5: I don't know that I even qualify. I just post
• 55:50
  Speaker 5: random things. Here's our new episode. I try to stay
• 55:53
  Speaker 5: out of that level of film Twitter.
• 55:55
  Speaker 6: I'm looking at the IMDB page for.
• 56:00
  Speaker 6: Remakes that are coming up. And some of these have
• 56:03
  Speaker 6: already been released. But I haven't scrolled all the way
• 56:05
  Speaker 6: down yet. And I'm already on number 75. And some
• 56:11
  Speaker 6: of these I'm actually excited about. Let me go back
• 56:14
  Speaker 6: and see some of them. Apparently we're getting... Some of
• 56:21
  Speaker 6: these have been announced. Some of these are in production.
• 56:23
  Speaker 6: Some of them are in post-production. But apparently we're getting
• 56:26
  Speaker 6: a new Logan's Run. Which could be great. We're getting
• 56:29
  Speaker 6: a new Jacob's Ladder, a new Black Hole.
• 56:33
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah.
• 56:34
  Speaker 6: Oh, that's not even the most shocking. Videodrome is on here.
• 56:39
  Speaker 5: Again, there's a very specific take.
• 56:41
  Speaker 6: Toxic Avenger, which they've been discussing that.
• 56:44
  Speaker 3: For 30 years.
• 56:45
  Speaker 5: I can see them doing an update of that.
• 56:48
  Speaker 6: A new Flight of the Navigator, which could be cool.
• 56:50
  Speaker 6: The one, though, that I'm most intrigued by, and I
• 56:52
  Speaker 6: think with everything that's going on right now, is probably
• 56:55
  Speaker 6: the most appropriate, is War Games.
• 56:56
  Speaker 4: Yes.
• 56:58
  Speaker 5: There's definitely... I.
• 56:59
  Speaker 6: Could watch a 21st century War Games.
• 57:01
  Speaker 5: Well, I mean, talk about something that is based around
• 57:04
  Speaker 5: nothing but technology that dated really, really quickly.
• 57:07
  Speaker 6: Very quickly.
• 57:08
  Speaker 5: And I love that original War Games movie, but, I mean,
• 57:12
  Speaker 5: when we're talking about put the phone in the cradle dial-up,
• 57:15
  Speaker 5: I'm just like, this is a whole different... Oh, yeah.
• 57:17
  Speaker 5: That was cutting edge of technology. Yeah.
• 57:20
  Speaker 4: I mean.
• 57:20
  Speaker 5: But at the time where all of that worked... I
• 57:24
  Speaker 5: think the principle is still there because we're equally, if
• 57:27
  Speaker 5: not more so, the warring society that you need to
• 57:30
  Speaker 5: worry about in that scenario. So if you could update
• 57:33
  Speaker 5: the tech and still bring in an impressive kid and
• 57:37
  Speaker 5: get a good writer, yeah, I think there's nothing wrong
• 57:39
  Speaker 5: with trying to do.
• 57:40
  Speaker 6: A new version. There's apparently a new Drop Dead Fred,
• 57:43
  Speaker 6: which I'm sure Rick Mayall is... Spinning in his grave
• 57:47
  Speaker 6: right now. A new Dirty Dancing.
• 57:48
  Speaker 3: Who demanded that?
• 57:49
  Speaker 5: He was gonna... I mean, I enjoy.
• 57:52
  Speaker 6: I admit that the original is a very stupid movie,
• 57:56
  Speaker 6: but I have a lot of fun watching it.
• 57:58
  Speaker 5: Rick is kind of an amazing guy as a whole.
• 58:00
  Speaker 6: A new American Werewolf in London. Pet Cemetery, which.
• 58:05
  Speaker 5: I mean, they're just literally going down the list of
• 58:07
  Speaker 5: all of them.
• 58:07
  Speaker 6: Is that already out?
• 58:08
  Speaker 5: I saw the preview. The trailer's out.
• 58:10
  Speaker 3: Oh, shit.
• 58:11
  Speaker 5: Yeah, that's... And it's not... Again, I don't know that I...
• 58:15
  Speaker 5: I only kind of remember Pet Sematary like.
• 58:18
  Speaker 1: It's definitely going down the kind of shot.
• 58:21
  Speaker 3: Well, there have been.
• 58:22
  Speaker 5: But it also looks like it's trying to put a better... Like, again,
• 58:26
  Speaker 5: I watched that trailer and went, I'll.
• 58:27
  Speaker 4: Go see that.
• 58:28
  Speaker 6: There have been several Stephen King properties that were made
• 58:30
  Speaker 6: into a movie, and people liked, and the big Stephen
• 58:33
  Speaker 6: King fans weren't crazy about, and then they'll do another
• 58:36
  Speaker 6: one 10, 15 years later, and people seem to be
• 58:39
  Speaker 6: a little.
• 58:39
  Speaker 5: Well, I mean, they also took a lot of Stephen
• 58:42
  Speaker 5: King properties and then made... mediocre movies exactly and that's
• 58:47
  Speaker 5: putting it nicely on a few of.
• 58:48
  Speaker 6: Them but we'll probably see a lot more of his
• 58:52
  Speaker 6: stuff what with it being.
• 58:53
  Speaker 5: So popular I mean we have yeah isn't that crazy
• 58:56
  Speaker 5: all of the but now they're also because this stuff
• 58:59
  Speaker 5: is so huge they're going to other mediums too because
• 59:02
  Speaker 5: I think we've had two show up on different streaming
• 59:05
  Speaker 5: services yeah in the last year so like i think
• 59:08
  Speaker 5: they're all kind of finding a new home for somebody
• 59:11
  Speaker 5: who writes way too damn much like stephen king.
• 59:13
  Speaker 6: Does here's another one that might be interesting short circuit
• 59:16
  Speaker 6: all right computer technology has changed quite a bit seems
• 59:20
  Speaker 6: like a heart well here's the one though that i'm
• 59:23
  Speaker 6: i'm scratching my head over my fair lady Again.
• 59:27
  Speaker 5: I feel like that's the Starborn thing. I think you
• 59:31
  Speaker 5: could continually retell that story for generations.
• 59:34
  Speaker 6: Over and over and over. But is there a call
• 59:35
  Speaker 6: for that right now with what the market is?
• 59:39
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, well, the real world. Coming to terms
• 59:42
  Speaker 5: with the fact that they've been ridiculous forever. So it
• 59:46
  Speaker 5: is a weird time, I guess, to try to throw
• 59:49
  Speaker 5: that concept.
• 59:50
  Speaker 6: Another Stephen King fire starter. Sorry, I didn't mean to
• 59:53
  Speaker 6: interrupt you.
• 59:53
  Speaker 5: Well, no, I was going to say, are we going to,
• 59:55
  Speaker 5: switch it up a little bit and try to modernize
• 59:59
  Speaker 5: it so much so that maybe she isn't maybe she's
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 5: equally as much changing this guy who's trying to put
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 5: these very specific paternal i don't know the system at
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 5: work and and sort of force her into it if
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 5: we take it and kind of give it that a
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 5: left turn and be like okay what if she realizes
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 5: that and starts kind of making adjustments along the way. Again,
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 5: there's potential in the right hands.
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that if I were looking at that list,
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 1: I would just click on each one and be like,
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 1: who's making this?
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 3: Who did they choose?
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 6: A lot of these are just announced, so it doesn't
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 6: look like they're attached to anybody yet. There was no
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 6: one attached to the Blob remake.
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 5: Which, again, we've already had. And they did a good
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 5: job the last time.
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 5: There are these things that I think are.
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 5: If it's worth doing, it is sort of a timeless story.
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 5: Even if the specifics are very timely at whenever the
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 5: hell they're committed to film, I think that if it's
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 5: a good story, it can continue to be universal and
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 5: it can continue to be useful to whatever story you're
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 5: trying to tell in the next 20 years or 20
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 5: years after that. It's like, if it's a good story... Again,
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 5: it's been... fumbled many many times on a lot of
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 5: these properties but and again i think i don't want
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 5: to just stick with because we were kind of looking
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 5: at all of these things i think even more so
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 5: just when we're looking at like a running property because
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 5: there are ones that like we keep coming back to
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 5: something like halloween where it's like well carpet neutered it
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 5: right the first time and nobody else should touch it
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 5: but you look at something like the alien franchise I
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 5: actually enjoy, on some level, all four of those first
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 5: four movies. Everything going on there. The first two are classics.
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 5: And even the next two, I think they have amazing directors.
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 5: They have a really terrific visual style. They're both trying
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 5: to do their own thing. Even coming off of two
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 5: impressive directors that came before them, they each take their
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 5: own distinctive style for that movie. so then if we're
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 5: not counting the predator nonsense in the middle there, like
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 5: you jump ahead and we come back to our original
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 5: filmmaker gets the property again. And I have issues with
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 5: what he did both times. But even that last one
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 5: was the most alien. Like was the most return to form.
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 5: If you want to think that. And I feel like
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 5: he lost it. Like I, I, Again, that's a personal
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 5: take on it. But again, it certainly isn't going to
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 5: be revered for decades to come as the masterpiece that
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 5: the original Alien was and is. So again, what's the
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 5: difference there? It's still the same director. It's still the
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 5: same concept in quotations there.
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 6: Look what happened with Independence Day and Independence Day 2.
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 6: I mean, same director, I believe. It may have been
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 6: the same screenwriter. I'm not sure.
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 5: I haven't even watched the second one. If that puts
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 5: it in perspective.
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 6: So vastly different between the two.
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 5: And not that the first one's a masterpiece. But it's
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 5: very entertaining.
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 6: If you watch them back to back, you'll.
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 5: Be in it.
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 3: It seems like it. Yeah.
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 1: I mean, I remember when Independence Day was like, I
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 1: don't know. It was really popular. And people were like,
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 1: it's a bad movie, but it's kind of awesome.
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 6: Well, the special effects were great. They still hold up
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 6: fairly decently. Of course, they're mostly practical effects.
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 5: Again, most of what's going on there isn't groundbreaking stuff.
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 5: It's them just redoing an old 50s sci-fi movie and
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 5: adding new locations and adding new special effects and adding
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 5: likable actors. It's like everything about it was just sort
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 5: of fun and it became big dumb fun. It was
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 5: a great popcorn movie.
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 6: You also had decent character development whereas in the second
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 6: one it was just Look at all this shiny stuff
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 6: that we've gotten from the aliens.
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 5: And Jeff Goldblum. And Jeff Goldblum. As long as we
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 5: have Jeff Goldblum. As long as he's one of the
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 5: shiny things.
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 1: I think with the case of remakes of a beloved
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 1: film that's not like a Like with Halloween, we've already
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 1: had all these sequels, but with Suspiria, it's just the
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 1: one movie. My feeling is it's only a good idea
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 1: if you do what they did with that, which was
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 1: just only use the premise, which is at a dance academy,
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 1: keep the names and characters, just everything else, just throw
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 1: out and just write a new script for it. with
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 1: a new, like, you know, approach to the material, just
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 1: totally from scratch. And like, don't even, I feel like
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 1: he would, he just kind of like, he clearly loves the,
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 1: the original movie, but he, I can definitely sense after watching, um,
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 1: the nooses period that he definitely shoved the originals aside
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 1: and just gave himself space to create a totally new
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 1: original thing that, And I feel like that's healthy, even
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 1: though you do want to honor the original. It's just
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 1: to also respect enough to keep your distance from it.
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 6: That's got to be difficult, too.
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 6: Because a lot of remakes, it seems like they started
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 6: out as a love letter to the original. And then
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 6: somewhere along the way, something gets fumbled.
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 5: Well, I've always said that's the way you should approach
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 5: anything if you're... specifically if we're talking remakes, is like
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 5: I said before, take the idea, take what is the
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 5: good concept there, and then take it in an entirely,
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 5: at least mostly different direction. Do definitely your own take
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 5: on it, but also feel free to change up other
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 5: things that you really don't need to hit all these
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 5: same points. That is the part that I'm like, well,
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 5: we've already kind of seen a version of that the
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 5: thing that I go back to is more the reinterpreting it. Like,
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 5: take that concept and then find a new way to
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 5: do what you need to do. Like, what puts your
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 5: stamp on it as a filmmaker, as a writer, as whatever. Like,
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 5: I think that's part of it. I have kind of
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 5: come back around almost to, and this I think is
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 5: swung so far the other way, it probably will piss
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 5: people off, but I'm just like, I'm almost to the
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 5: point of like, even make the bad ones like i'm
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 5: i'm to the point that you can't make that rule
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 5: like again i i get really open-minded about generic art
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 5: stuff and i'm just like a generalized artistic take on
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 5: and i'm like let anybody make whatever the hell they
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 5: want you know i'm like good luck getting funding if
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 5: you're making garbage right but at the same time i'm
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 5: like if they got it together and they want to
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 5: make a shot for shot remake of something that's already
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 5: beloved I mean, more power to you. I don't know
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 5: why you would, but I'm just like, I kind of
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 5: don't want to set those rules anymore of like, well,
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 5: you don't need to remake that. I'm like, if they
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 5: want to, they can find some idiot to give them
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 5: enough money to do it. Like, go for it. Like,
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 5: I don't understand why, but we see so many things
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 5: that don't get greenlit. Like, it's just like, if you
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 5: can make that happen, like, impressive. Because it's lucky that
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 5: we get any movies made at this point, let alone Goodwin's. Yeah.
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 5: If you think you can do something with that, go
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 5: for it. But to me, I think it always makes
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 5: more sense to, again, take a property and sort of
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 5: go a different direction and do an entirely different scenario
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 5: that's sort of feeding off the same beats as the original,
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 5: but with an entirely different take on it. The other
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 5: thing I was thinking is, and this goes all the
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 5: way back to the first movie I mentioned, this is
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 5: the thing I don't understand why more people don't do
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 5: is Why not just take the premise and do like
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 5: so often they will fight. And this is why I
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 5: think it comes back to more branding, because I think
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 5: it is like, oh, we need to get that name.
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 5: And I'm just like, really? Because I'm like most if
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 5: we're trying to appeal to a bunch of like teenagers now,
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 5: which again, they kind of pretend like is our money
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 5: market for movies, which I don't even know if that's
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 5: true anymore. But if we're looking for the up and
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 5: coming generation, how many kids that aren't super horror nerds
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 5: knew what the.
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 1: Hell Suspiria was?
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 6: Right.
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 5: Did they know that title at all? So why would you,
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 5: unless you were committed to that story and you love
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 5: the concept. But I'm like, if you're just, again, I'm
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 5: picturing more of the guys behind the desks that are
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 5: getting this stuff, you know, financed. like oh we need
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 5: a name that's recognizable and I'm like do you with.
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 6: A lot of these properties well I don't know that
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 6: you do when Eli Roth remade that whatever his version
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 6: of Cannibal Holocaust was called it had a totally different
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 6: title and I talked to so many people who didn't
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 6: realize it was a remake and understand because that's not
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 6: a it's not a mainstream movie it's not a mainstream
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 6: movie It was weird that a studio would say, yeah,
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  Speaker 6: do that.
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  Speaker 5: He's got name recognition.
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 6: He's got name recognition.
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 5: But again, only with very specific people. Most people on
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 5: the street aren't going to know who the hell Eli
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 5: Roth is, but horror geeks do. So again, if it
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 5: was a reasonable enough budget, I guess they would see
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 5: maybe they'd make their money back. But that's more of
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 5: what I think, like, why wouldn't you just, like, why
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 5: would you, like, climb that mountain that is, like, trying
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 5: to make something that already has so much baggage attached
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 5: when you could basically just do your own thing?
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 6: Be like... Well, and this goes back to the 30s, too,
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 6: because a lot of those talkies that were based on
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 6: the old silent films had new titles.
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 6: Mark of the Vampire was a remake of London After Midnight.
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 6: That's the first one. I'm sure there's... Plenty. A thousand more,
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 6: but that's the first one that comes to mind.
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 5: But with any of these, just, like, take that thing
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 5: that you're a big fan of and, like, again, looking at, like,
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 5: this novel or Paul Feig or whoever got involved first
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 5: and decided to do this, like, take the general idea of, like,
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 5: I really like, you know, old noir movies and I
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 5: like the weird undercurrent of new crime dramas that has
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 5: taken off, like, not just those big screen ones, but even, like,
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 5: the amount of real crime that is on regular TV
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 5: and streaming on every service now is like out of control.
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 5: So it's like, you see all that going on and
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 5: be like, I kind of want to just do something
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 5: in that area. And like, then just pick and choose
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 5: all the pieces you want from other stuff. Again, don't
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 5: be hacky about it, but I'm just saying like, you
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 5: can make it as much of a love letter to
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 5: these things as you can, but then assemble it in
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 5: a new way and make it interesting. And, And again,
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 5: put your own spin on it. But with that, like
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 5: you don't come with all this extra baggage and all
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 5: this uphill battle of trying to convince people. Yeah.
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 6: Like this is different. I swear.
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 5: Like you're trying to convince people that they even need
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 5: to sit down and see your movie. Whereas I don't know.
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 5: To me, I guess that becomes the bottom line for,
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 5: for producers out there is like, is the name recognition
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 5: going to bring people in versus like, this new thing
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 5: that doesn't, like, nobody knows what the hell it is,
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 5: and will probably, like, nothing will bring them to it, potentially,
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 5: versus Suspiria. Wasn't that a movie before? I guess we'll
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 5: go see that. Like, is any inkling of name recognition
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 5: worth trying to slap yourself with the giant property and
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 5: all this baggage that it comes with, versus starting with
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 5: a somewhat original idea that may be just, you know,
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 5: cobbled together from other things in the past. Like, I
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 5: don't know which, which is a better road to go down.
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 6: It's tough to say.
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 6: Cause I think there's good and bad examples of both
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 6: of them.
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 5: And again, I think it always comes down to who's
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 5: doing it and how committed they are and how talented
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 5: they are. And like all of these things come together
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 5: and either make the perfect storm of a great movie or,
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 5: Or a complete and utter failure. And sometimes those are...
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 5: The train wrecks are amazing, too.
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 3: I think it's if you.
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 3: Well, I like the idea of a movie.
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 1: If a movie's going to be remade, if the director
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 1: is setting out, instead of just to remake it, as
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 1: in just recreate the movie best you can, so.
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 1: It's just a safe bet i like the idea of
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 1: like a movie being adapted from another movie like you
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 1: would adapt a book yeah because everyone's always saying oh
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 1: well it's not as good as the book sounds good
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 1: but but like when a movie is like a movie
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 1: based on a book is great like both the book
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 1: and the movie are great it's all it's almost 100
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 1: of the time because um the movie is its own
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 1: thing like it just took you know It's like, I'm
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 1: trying to think of a metaphor.
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 3: The shiny.
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 1: Well, that's an example, but it's like if you build
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 1: a very elaborate house of cards, knock it down, instead
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 1: of trying to make that same house of cards, you
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 1: just use the same deck and make something totally different.
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 5: Build a hotel of cards.
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 3: That's the way to do it. In the snow. Yeah.
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 1: So like with Carpenters, the thing when they remade that,
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 1: that was clearly a case of we just want.
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 6: Which, that in itself was a remake, too. Yeah, that's
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 6: a weird... But the Carpenter version, I think, is amazing.
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 6: The one from the 50s is a typical 50s scare.
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 1: It's got some nice qualities that hold up, yeah.
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 3: But I agree, yeah.
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 1: The Carpenter version is the ultimate.
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 6: But that's a good point of what we're talking about.
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 6: We've taken this jumping off point. And then let's do
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 6: this with it. And that example works.
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 1: That's really the only way you're going to make people,
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 1: instead of just at best, the only way you're going
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 1: to make them fall in love with your movie is
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 1: not if you recreate the original just in a very
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 1: solid and dependable.
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 3: Manner.
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 1: You have to give them something new and something fresh
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 1: that's also you know, energized and, you know, different and
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 1: just basically its own thing is the point. And like
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 1: with the thing re remake from a few years ago,
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 1: that was just like, they, they, they should have, they
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 1: literally had the blueprint on how to do it from
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 1: looking at what John Carpenter did from the fifties. Like
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 1: basically just get the premise and up, just totally make
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 1: something totally just like, terrifying and more modern and just
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 1: do it in your own way, but don't copy, but
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 1: just don't copy the original.
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 5: See that one before you even say, I was going
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 5: to bring that up. That is a great example because
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 5: it is like, here's a remake already. The carpenter version
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 5: is a remake. Well, then you get these guys that
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 5: did the one a few years ago that like they
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 5: have to stick really close to the carpenter because there's is,
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 5: not just a prequel, but literally leads, scene for scene,
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 5: the end of the movie leads directly into the beginning
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 5: of Carpenter's film.
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 5: So, like, they can't update anything, really. Like, technologically, they
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 5: can't because it still takes place in the early 80s. Yeah.
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 5: So it's like, time-wise, you can't update anything. The only
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 5: thing they had to toy with was special effects and
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 5: the problem... And I think the biggest problem that that
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 5: movie ran into was budget limitations because they started... with
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 5: great real world physical effects. And then they had the
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 5: budget cut massively pulled. Like they were midway into building giant,
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 5: cool physical creatures. And then they went, eh, no, we're
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 5: just going to CG it. So you can see there's
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 5: beginning shots of like really cool things. And then you'll
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 5: see it cut to a weird CG version that, is lesser. Again,
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 5: I respect that movie a lot more than a lot
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 5: of people do, but it had a huge mountain to
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 5: climb there.
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 3: I think it got.
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 1: Caught in between trying to appease the fans of the
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 1: original and trying to earnestly make them happy and be
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 1: true to John Carpenter, and also with the studios coming
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 1: in and trying to make it more appeal to the
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 1: broader masses with the CGI, you know, non-practical stuff, and.
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 3: Yeah, they kind of played it safe, and.
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 1: It was just this super forgettable thing, and that's just
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 1: like the worst case scenario.
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I think that's worse than, oh, this was just
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 6: absolute garbage.
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 3: Yeah, right?
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 6: Where you walk out of the theater, and you're like, yeah,
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 6: that's okay. And then 10 minutes later, you've completely... If
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 6: I'm not still thinking about the movie the next day.
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 6: I feel like that's not necessarily bad, but a not
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 6: great experience.
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 5: It says something about it.
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 6: I think that's why I still go to the theater
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 6: is for that experience of this big spectacle.
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 1: It's just like at that point, you're just like, what
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 1: a waste of time and labor. I would much rather
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 1: watch Tommy Wiseau's The Room than 2011's The Thing.
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 11: Yeah.
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 1: Any day you know what i mean like it's at
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 1: least like that's it that's like a cultural thing like
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 1: it added to the discussion and we're still talking about
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 1: that movie and making movies about.
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 5: It they're Both were seen once. I'm not sure how
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 5: much you need to keep watching the room.
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 1: I do not love the room.
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 3: I like.
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 5: I'm amazed by it, but not in the way that
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 5: I normally would use it.
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 6: I still haven't seen it. I want to see it just...
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 6: I mean, I've been told all about it. Just out
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 6: of curiosity as to how they pull it off. That's
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 6: the only reason why I want to see it now.
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 5: It's its own weird thing.
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 3: It's hard to.
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 5: Compare that movie with anything, really. Because it's so off
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 5: in its own little world.
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 1: You know how when people describe David Lynch movies and
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 1: they say, oh, it's like you're running a fever or something.
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 11: But.
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 1: you know you watch and clearly it's not that it's
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 1: amazing you get what they mean but you're you don't
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 1: feel physically ill and this movie you feel you literally
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 1: you do feel physically ill like someone's like giving you
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 1: food poisoning well that's impressive though it is impressive you
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 1: know i mean like it's like how does someone do
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 1: that with movie like that's that's something you'll be thinking
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 1: about how much you hate it and talking about it
• 1:19:12
  Speaker 1: with other people where did this guy come from like
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 1: where is he really from is he what's going on
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 1: with his acts like all this stuff there's.
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 5: A lot of questions involved yeah and.
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 1: Then with the thing you're just like yeah you know
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 1: i guess all.
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 5: That is that that that but the thing is another
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 5: version that reminded me of the something i wanted to
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 5: bring up and forgot last week with halloween Explain this
• 1:19:36
  Speaker 5: part to me because this I don't get because we're
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 5: talking so much about not just the remake concept, but
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 5: the branding end of it. Why would you take a
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 5: movie that is very specifically by your design, not meant
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 5: to be the same movie, not meant to be a
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 5: remake and give it the exact same title as a
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 5: movie that pre-exists and is part of the continuation of
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 5: But people are not going to know, especially in the
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 5: world of Google. You're trying to look up a title
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 5: and you can't even differentiate from the other.
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 6: Well, now you've got, this is the only time I
• 1:20:13
  Speaker 6: can think of where you've got.
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 5: Three cases of that.
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 5: And they're all the same title. But, I mean, at
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 5: least the Rob Zombie one is sort of meant to
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 5: be a remake.
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 1: Sure.
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 5: Just a weird bastardized version. But, like, this one now. Like,
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 5: why did they not... Halloween 2, or Halloween, colon, Judgment Day, or, like,
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 5: any of these other things. Like, why would you not.
• 1:20:36
  Speaker 6: Halloween H4O.
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 4: H4O.
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 5: Like, any of that.
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 6: Which, that's the dumb title, so don't do that.
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 3: But, I mean.
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 5: they already did it one but i mean the the
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 5: thing is a prequel it is not a remake it
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 5: is not a sequel it leads directly into the next movie.
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 1: It is kind of a remake a little like they
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 1: it's technically a i think more.
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 5: Of a reboot than a remake.
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 1: I feel like they they started number one their first
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 1: idea was let's remake the thing and then they'll be
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 1: like well how can we make people hate us less
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 1: for remaking the thing okay well we'll say it's actually
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 1: the prequel so it's like it seems more like a
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 1: continuation or like part of a saga or, you know,
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 1: people will accept it more if it's, you know, if, if,
• 1:21:16
  Speaker 1: if it's not technically called a remake, but really what
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 1: they're doing is like.
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 5: I feel like that's, I, I, I still give them
• 1:21:23
  Speaker 5: so much respect for like, that is a great, I mean,
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 5: the thing opens amazing anyway, but it does leave you
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 5: with all these like, well, wait, what the hell was
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 5: going on there? Like it did from day one as
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 5: a kid watching that movie. I was like, we're just
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 5: coming into this story. And like, there's already been so
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 5: much going on that we don't know about. And it
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 5: just kind of runs over to us literally. So like
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 5: we really did have, like it was just waiting to
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 5: be made. So it's like, I, I always give them
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 5: because again, you're some mounting a huge mountain there trying
• 1:21:59
  Speaker 5: to get into something that is as beloved and kind
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 5: of its own weird masterpiece that the thing is. that
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 5: I'm trying to do any version, let alone a direct
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 5: prequel to that movie, points to you. I wouldn't want
• 1:22:13
  Speaker 5: to take that on. There's times when I'm like, they
• 1:22:16
  Speaker 5: get relatively close. Again, the special effects are what pales.
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 5: The story is not quite as tight. I still think
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 5: they had a great cast in a lot of that one.
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 5: You can't compare to what's going on tension-wise in the thing.
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 5: The balance of that. Story going on there. But yeah,
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 5: I'm like, that's the one I'm like, why would you
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 5: call it The Thing when you're a prequel to a
• 1:22:42
  Speaker 5: movie called The Thing? Like, why would you not? Like,
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 5: that's the one I don't understand from that, again, from
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 5: that producer sitting behind a desk branding end of it.
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 5: I'm like, why would you not want to create a
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 5: different thing? I know you're trying to feed off of
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 5: this one. I get that. But making it more confusing
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 5: for people is not really going to help you. Like,
• 1:23:01
  Speaker 5: I don't understand that part at all.
• 1:23:04
  Speaker 1: Well, like, when the thing was made and we're like,
• 1:23:09
  Speaker 1: all these horror movies were being made like in the
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 1: 70s and 80s, all the good ones, I mean, most
• 1:23:15
  Speaker 1: of them were, you would definitely say they were made
• 1:23:17
  Speaker 1: by auteurs or whatever, you know, actual directors who just
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 1: weren't just directing for.
• 1:23:26
  Speaker 5: Hire, I guess.
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 1: And these remakes are, you know, thought of in like
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 1: a boardroom as just the idea of we're going to
• 1:23:36
  Speaker 1: remake this, and who can we get who we know
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 1: can point a... Who directed this popular music video that
• 1:23:45
  Speaker 1: we know can get this done?
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 5: More importantly, who will not argue with you?
• 1:23:48
  Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly.
• 1:23:49
  Speaker 5: Who's going to be the most... Yes, yes, man.
• 1:23:52
  Speaker 1: Who will be thankful for the opportunity? Never directed a
• 1:23:55
  Speaker 1: movie before, has all this work, and yeah.
• 1:23:58
  Speaker 5: And that is.
• 1:23:59
  Speaker 6: I mean, that's an interesting way to look at Hollywood, too,
• 1:24:01
  Speaker 6: because in the early days, they weren't... were mostly, as
• 1:24:03
  Speaker 6: you said, directors for hire.
• 1:24:05
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:24:05
  Speaker 6: And it wasn't until, I mean, yeah, every now and
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 6: then you'd get a couple of directors that come along,
• 1:24:11
  Speaker 6: like Gorson Wells and whoever directed the Marlon Brando movie
• 1:24:17
  Speaker 6: where he plays the dock worker, which.
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 5: On the waterfront.
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 3: Yeah, on the waterfront.
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 4: Kazan.
• 1:24:21
  Speaker 6: Yeah, you'd have these great directors that would come along
• 1:24:24
  Speaker 6: and they'd stand out, but they were also cranking out,
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 6: you know, whatever the studio was asking them to. So
• 1:24:31
  Speaker 6: it wasn't really until the late 60s, early 70s that
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 6: you got the, you know, this is what I'm going
• 1:24:37
  Speaker 6: to do. I'm an artist.
• 1:24:37
  Speaker 1: The artistic freedom studios.
• 1:24:40
  Speaker 5: I think they've always been there. That's what I kind
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 5: of like. Because people always like to sell out modernized Hollywood.
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 5: I'm like, it's always kind of there.
• 1:24:47
  Speaker 6: It's always been there.
• 1:24:48
  Speaker 5: It's from day one was set up to make money.
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's always been this business.
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 5: And yet there's always been guys and eventually, luckily, even
• 1:24:56
  Speaker 5: early on there were a few girls that kind of
• 1:24:57
  Speaker 5: worked their way in there. But there would be these
• 1:24:59
  Speaker 5: people that were like, but I'm drawn to this for
• 1:25:01
  Speaker 5: the art and like, I want to create something amazing
• 1:25:05
  Speaker 5: and memorable. And like, so there would be those ones
• 1:25:08
  Speaker 5: kind of breaking out, even in silent film, even in
• 1:25:11
  Speaker 5: the early talkies, like every couple of, you know, decades
• 1:25:15
  Speaker 5: you'd go by and there'd be like all these little
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 5: peaks coming out of like, no matter how much like
• 1:25:20
  Speaker 5: run of the mill stuff was being turned out by
• 1:25:22
  Speaker 5: the studios, this person fought their way through and made
• 1:25:25
  Speaker 5: a genuine work of art that like, needs to be
• 1:25:29
  Speaker 5: remembered and like i think that's always been there and
• 1:25:31
  Speaker 5: it's still going on even as powerful as the system
• 1:25:35
  Speaker 5: is today there's still people coming through that are like
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 5: nope gonna make my own weird thing doesn't matter how
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 5: much you fight i'm gonna win and every once in
• 1:25:43
  Speaker 5: a while you get somebody that comes through and like
• 1:25:45
  Speaker 5: their genuine vision seems to fight all the way through
• 1:25:48
  Speaker 5: the boardroom and the meetings and the producers.
• 1:25:51
  Speaker 1: And all of that shit yeah and and it's the
• 1:25:55
  Speaker 1: studios that are kind of uh giving more uh space
• 1:26:02
  Speaker 1: to artists that want to make something good like with
• 1:26:05
  Speaker 1: amazon and yeah um or what's or yeah blumhouse with
• 1:26:12
  Speaker 1: uh with halloween i think they even though i'm not
• 1:26:17
  Speaker 1: um big on like the kind of the general blumhouse
• 1:26:20
  Speaker 1: style of horror i mean they they do make you
• 1:26:24
  Speaker 1: know some decent movies but um they're just not i
• 1:26:29
  Speaker 1: guess i don't know they're not scary in the way
• 1:26:31
  Speaker 1: that um a lot.
• 1:26:33
  Speaker 5: Of people seem to think that again i think they're
• 1:26:36
  Speaker 5: regarded that way and that that that is one of
• 1:26:39
  Speaker 5: those that i will give them credit like for the
• 1:26:41
  Speaker 5: branding end of it like they created a company people
• 1:26:46
  Speaker 5: know which how often does anybody know people making movies.
• 1:26:49
  Speaker 1: And for good reason the reason that people like you
• 1:26:52
  Speaker 1: know think they're awesome and they are awesome because of
• 1:26:54
  Speaker 1: is because they do trust the filmmakers like they do
• 1:26:57
  Speaker 1: trust jordan peele to do what he needs to do
• 1:27:01
  Speaker 1: and you know they won't you know.
• 1:27:03
  Speaker 6: And that's that's a that's a.
• 1:27:05
  Speaker 1: Big james wan or whoever that's a.
• 1:27:08
  Speaker 6: Big thing to ask for that kind of trust because
• 1:27:10
  Speaker 6: there's so much that goes into making so much money
• 1:27:13
  Speaker 6: and So many people involved. And the whole thing could
• 1:27:16
  Speaker 6: just unravel at any second.
• 1:27:17
  Speaker 5: And that's also the thing that they get credit for
• 1:27:20
  Speaker 5: and a lot of other people at that level. It's
• 1:27:23
  Speaker 5: points for understanding the system and knowing how to work it.
• 1:27:27
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 1:27:27
  Speaker 5: The reason they're getting the kind of backing that they
• 1:27:31
  Speaker 5: are now is because those first few out of the gate,
• 1:27:34
  Speaker 5: they understood, okay, here's the amount of money we have
• 1:27:36
  Speaker 5: to work with. And we're going to make it look
• 1:27:39
  Speaker 5: as good as we can. And we're going to try
• 1:27:40
  Speaker 5: to make it as tense as, you know, we want
• 1:27:42
  Speaker 5: to make this and anything they wanted to create. And
• 1:27:44
  Speaker 5: then at the end they made money. And like, that's
• 1:27:47
  Speaker 5: the part that, again, somebody sitting behind your desk is
• 1:27:49
  Speaker 5: just like, okay, you get to make more movies. Like
• 1:27:52
  Speaker 5: anybody else who sticks so hardcore to their vision and
• 1:27:55
  Speaker 5: loses a fortune, then it's like, that was great. Hope
• 1:27:58
  Speaker 5: you liked making that movie. Cause that was it. Like
• 1:28:00
  Speaker 5: nobody's back in your next project. Whereas if you can
• 1:28:03
  Speaker 5: find a way, again, I always come back to the
• 1:28:05
  Speaker 5: Corman of like, If you're Roger Corman and you understand
• 1:28:08
  Speaker 5: the system and you're like, okay, here's what I want
• 1:28:11
  Speaker 5: to make. Here's the amount of money I have. Here's
• 1:28:13
  Speaker 5: the people I have to work with. And you start
• 1:28:15
  Speaker 5: working that like, again, it's almost like figuring it all
• 1:28:18
  Speaker 5: out on paper beforehand and be like, okay, this can
• 1:28:21
  Speaker 5: all work. I figured it out. And like in the
• 1:28:24
  Speaker 5: end of the day, he made money every time. And
• 1:28:27
  Speaker 5: it's like, as long as you knew how to work
• 1:28:28
  Speaker 5: the system, you could still get really cool artistic things
• 1:28:32
  Speaker 5: out of it. But you still have to be able
• 1:28:33
  Speaker 5: to give the studio back the money they invested. And
• 1:28:36
  Speaker 5: you still have to find you know your investors that
• 1:28:38
  Speaker 5: you're suckering into it you have to give them something
• 1:28:41
  Speaker 5: back at the end of it and that becomes the
• 1:28:43
  Speaker 5: balancing act that you have to figure out it's really.
• 1:28:46
  Speaker 1: Is a brutal like system just uh it just kind
• 1:28:51
  Speaker 1: of made made me think of uh Rotten Tomatoes and
• 1:28:55
  Speaker 1: how um Like you mentioned, if a movie tanks and
• 1:28:59
  Speaker 1: loses the fortune, the director's just fucked.
• 1:29:02
  Speaker 4: Oh, yeah.
• 1:29:03
  Speaker 1: It's... onto some obscure, you know, TV miniseries for you
• 1:29:08
  Speaker 1: and that's the best you're going to get.
• 1:29:10
  Speaker 5: Again, I'm always amazed when people are genuinely honest on
• 1:29:14
  Speaker 5: this show or anywhere in general, but I won't even
• 1:29:18
  Speaker 5: out them. But if you're paying attention, if you're following along,
• 1:29:21
  Speaker 5: a director that I've talked to in this past year
• 1:29:24
  Speaker 5: said he was essentially sent to movie jail. He made
• 1:29:28
  Speaker 5: a movie, again, not even a high profile movie, but
• 1:29:31
  Speaker 5: it was a movie that they spent a good amount
• 1:29:33
  Speaker 5: of money on it did not make any money and
• 1:29:37
  Speaker 5: like no one would sign him on and he's a
• 1:29:39
  Speaker 5: recognizable name but no one would sign him on to
• 1:29:42
  Speaker 5: make anything anymore he ended up doing a lot of
• 1:29:45
  Speaker 5: tv after that and finally kind of worked his way
• 1:29:49
  Speaker 5: back into the system and found a really good home
• 1:29:52
  Speaker 5: directing television yeah like it was genuinely movie jail is
• 1:29:56
  Speaker 5: how in the even industry that's how he put it
• 1:29:59
  Speaker 5: and i'm like that's a real thing that again, people
• 1:30:02
  Speaker 5: at home don't care. Like they just, eh, whatever. I
• 1:30:05
  Speaker 5: don't want to see that movie, but I'm like, there
• 1:30:07
  Speaker 5: are people's jobs and like lives at stake of like
• 1:30:11
  Speaker 5: their livelihood at least is at stake of like what's
• 1:30:14
  Speaker 5: going on on the screen. So that's, it's why it's
• 1:30:17
  Speaker 5: such a delicate balance is like, there's a lot of
• 1:30:20
  Speaker 5: people with jobs on the line for what you're throwing together. So,
• 1:30:24
  Speaker 5: As much as I want to encourage people to make
• 1:30:27
  Speaker 5: weird outlandish things, you also have to be able to
• 1:30:30
  Speaker 5: find that audience. It's such a weird balancing act.
• 1:30:35
  Speaker 1: And it's so unique to film itself. It's not a
• 1:30:40
  Speaker 1: problem with just art, just painters. If they make a
• 1:30:45
  Speaker 1: painting that no one likes, no one's taking away their paintbrushes.
• 1:30:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:30:50
  Speaker 1: And they're going to keep doing brilliant shit, which down
• 1:30:54
  Speaker 1: the road people will be like, oh, we were wrong.
• 1:30:56
  Speaker 1: We fucked up.
• 1:30:57
  Speaker 3: This guy's great.
• 1:30:58
  Speaker 1: And aren't we so grateful that he kept doing it
• 1:31:01
  Speaker 1: after we spit on his face after this first thing?
• 1:31:04
  Speaker 1: And movies, it's tragic. It's just like you think of
• 1:31:07
  Speaker 1: all the squandered masterpieces from these directors who made one
• 1:31:12
  Speaker 1: great movie that everyone hated at the time or critics
• 1:31:16
  Speaker 1: particularly hated at the time.
• 1:31:18
  Speaker 3: And that they just, yeah.
• 1:31:20
  Speaker 5: With a lot of those, it takes years. It's like our,
• 1:31:25
  Speaker 5: I guess, most obvious example, but it's like the thing
• 1:31:28
  Speaker 5: that is now listed as the number one movie on,
• 1:31:31
  Speaker 5: I guess, Sight and Sound and maybe the AFI, but
• 1:31:35
  Speaker 5: is now like Vertigo. At the time, Vertigo was not
• 1:31:39
  Speaker 5: well loved by critics and really not even like... It
• 1:31:43
  Speaker 5: didn't make the kind of money his other movies did.
• 1:31:45
  Speaker 5: So it's like you look at something that's from... a
• 1:31:48
  Speaker 5: master director that like still took 40, 50 years before
• 1:31:52
  Speaker 5: people really started to respect it.
• 1:31:55
  Speaker 6: Yeah. I was just gonna say this. It's not, it's
• 1:31:58
  Speaker 6: not like his other movies at the time. So, I mean,
• 1:32:01
  Speaker 6: he was taking a risk anyway.
• 1:32:03
  Speaker 5: It's, it's a strange approach to a story in general.
• 1:32:07
  Speaker 5: And then like, it's not, again, it's a little more
• 1:32:11
  Speaker 5: cerebral than, you know, as much as I love psycho, it's,
• 1:32:15
  Speaker 5: it's something you could bring in anybody into the audience is,
• 1:32:17
  Speaker 5: People that didn't understand any of these stuff. And you
• 1:32:20
  Speaker 5: could go along with it. You were along for the ride.
• 1:32:23
  Speaker 5: You liked the tension and the horror and.
• 1:32:25
  Speaker 6: All of that.
• 1:32:26
  Speaker 5: Where Vertigo takes a little more commitment.
• 1:32:29
  Speaker 6: I mean, the first time I saw Vertigo, every 20
• 1:32:33
  Speaker 6: minutes I was asking myself, what the hell is going on?
• 1:32:35
  Speaker 6: Then you get to the end and it all ties together.
• 1:32:37
  Speaker 6: And it ties together beautifully. But it's that ride to
• 1:32:41
  Speaker 6: get there. And I could see how that would throw
• 1:32:42
  Speaker 6: a lot of people off.
• 1:32:44
  Speaker 1: Um, that's exactly how I thought about Suspiria. Like the
• 1:32:49
  Speaker 1: structure was just so unconventional and, um, I, I did,
• 1:32:55
  Speaker 1: I didn't necessarily understand why, like, or what was going
• 1:32:58
  Speaker 1: on at every moment. Um, that's, that's actually an understatement.
• 1:33:02
  Speaker 3: A lot of the time, but by.
• 1:33:04
  Speaker 1: The end of it, like just something just clicked where
• 1:33:08
  Speaker 1: even though I didn't, like, I still had to like,
• 1:33:11
  Speaker 1: you know, answer some questions in my head afterwards, I
• 1:33:14
  Speaker 1: was still like, oh, wow. Like, I'm glad I stuck
• 1:33:19
  Speaker 1: it out to get to this kind of final statement
• 1:33:22
  Speaker 1: that the movie was, you know, building up to because, like,
• 1:33:25
  Speaker 1: that's just how it worked. And I can imagine a
• 1:33:28
  Speaker 1: lot of people seeing this movie because it is, like,
• 1:33:32
  Speaker 1: nearly three hours.
• 1:33:33
  Speaker 6: Wow.
• 1:33:34
  Speaker 5: Yeah. I think that's the other reason I put it
• 1:33:36
  Speaker 5: on today.
• 1:33:37
  Speaker 1: I can see a lot of people going like horror fans,
• 1:33:40
  Speaker 1: like the Blumhouse crowd, you know, coming in and just
• 1:33:43
  Speaker 1: walking out like a lot of first stages, like walking
• 1:33:45
  Speaker 1: on my three and they're going to totally miss this
• 1:33:47
  Speaker 1: fucking amazing final act.
• 1:33:50
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:33:50
  Speaker 1: That is honestly one of the most like, I mean,
• 1:33:54
  Speaker 1: insane horror scenes just in its, uh, in just in
• 1:34:00
  Speaker 1: its commitment to like, um what is going on and
• 1:34:07
  Speaker 1: just the absurdity of it but how seriously it takes
• 1:34:09
  Speaker 1: it but also just also kind of acknowledging how wild
• 1:34:13
  Speaker 1: and crazy it is and having fun with it like
• 1:34:14
  Speaker 1: there's a kind of cheeky like grotesquery to it like
• 1:34:20
  Speaker 1: it's it's it's just thrilling and i'm just like so
• 1:34:24
  Speaker 1: many people are gonna see this movie and like leave
• 1:34:27
  Speaker 1: before this happens and Type on Facebook how shitty it was. Yeah. Or,
• 1:34:34
  Speaker 1: you know, or, you know, of course there's going to
• 1:34:35
  Speaker 1: be people who watch the whole thing. They'll still hate it.
• 1:34:38
  Speaker 3: Um, which is understandable.
• 1:34:39
  Speaker 1: Like it's, it's not, it's definitely not a first date movie. So, um,
• 1:34:45
  Speaker 1: but yeah, it's just, you know, it's, it's really delicate
• 1:34:47
  Speaker 1: and you kind of hope that people making this stuff
• 1:34:51
  Speaker 1: will get another chance. Cause there's, it's, they got something worth,
• 1:34:55
  Speaker 1: worth telling.
• 1:34:57
  Speaker 5: I think that brings it back full circle. So that's
• 1:35:01
  Speaker 5: where I've kind of landed on it. Like as much
• 1:35:03
  Speaker 5: as I still, like I said, I go in with
• 1:35:05
  Speaker 5: my guard up every time I see them announce this.
• 1:35:07
  Speaker 5: I'm like, I've broadened my approach so much so that
• 1:35:11
  Speaker 5: I'm just like, let them make whatever the hell they
• 1:35:13
  Speaker 5: want to make. Like again, like the painter thing. It's like,
• 1:35:16
  Speaker 5: you don't get to tell people not to make art.
• 1:35:19
  Speaker 5: So like, yes, it's harder to get funding to make
• 1:35:21
  Speaker 5: a giant motion picture. But I'm like, just, if they're
• 1:35:25
  Speaker 5: that driven, let them make whatever this is. If it's
• 1:35:28
  Speaker 5: a ham fisted studio project, that's what it's going to
• 1:35:31
  Speaker 5: come off as. If they have some sort of vision,
• 1:35:34
  Speaker 5: hopefully we'll get a work of art out of it.
• 1:35:37
  Speaker 5: So I'm like, I don't want to tell people to
• 1:35:39
  Speaker 5: stop making remakes because they've always made remakes, you know?
• 1:35:43
  Speaker 5: And again, I think it's, it's, is its own art form.
• 1:35:47
  Speaker 5: You know, we, we allow people to continuously do plays
• 1:35:52
  Speaker 5: over and over and over again and and interpret it
• 1:35:55
  Speaker 5: different each time and bring in new actors each time.
• 1:35:58
  Speaker 5: And nobody questions that. So I don't think film is
• 1:36:00
  Speaker 5: so again, to me, that is always like a, a,
• 1:36:04
  Speaker 5: a backhanded move on film. Like, like film isn't as
• 1:36:07
  Speaker 5: much of an art form as something like theater, you know,
• 1:36:10
  Speaker 5: I'm like, no, it's easily as impressive, if not more
• 1:36:15
  Speaker 5: so than some of the things you have to juggle. Granted,
• 1:36:17
  Speaker 5: there's a lot of live stuff going on that I, I,
• 1:36:20
  Speaker 5: is impressive but you have so many things that have
• 1:36:23
  Speaker 5: to come together and work granted you get many takes
• 1:36:25
  Speaker 5: to do it but in the end it's so many
• 1:36:28
  Speaker 5: things working in conjunction that is the it is the
• 1:36:31
  Speaker 5: only art form that kind of works everything into the
• 1:36:34
  Speaker 5: extent that it does so like I feel like it
• 1:36:38
  Speaker 5: deserves its chance to be able to do that kind
• 1:36:40
  Speaker 5: of stuff too even if it's a story that's already
• 1:36:43
  Speaker 5: been told before if they have a new impressive way
• 1:36:46
  Speaker 5: to tell it then let them tell it but Again,
• 1:36:50
  Speaker 5: it's taken me a long time to get to that point.
• 1:36:53
  Speaker 5: So I know not everyone's.
• 1:36:55
  Speaker 6: Going to see it that way. Movies are one of
• 1:36:57
  Speaker 6: those things that people just attach so much emotional value to.
• 1:37:01
  Speaker 5: Which again, I don't know why that more than anything else.
• 1:37:05
  Speaker 5: And it's something about the fun, because they also do
• 1:37:07
  Speaker 5: it with TV shows. There's so much tied up in
• 1:37:10
  Speaker 5: TV for a lot of people that like, I feel
• 1:37:14
  Speaker 5: like so many people don't, even people who love the theater,
• 1:37:17
  Speaker 5: don't get caught up the same way in a specific
• 1:37:21
  Speaker 5: project over and over again. The way that, like, oh
• 1:37:24
  Speaker 5: my god, I love the Brady Bunch so much!
• 1:37:28
  Speaker 6: I think it goes back to our, you know, you
• 1:37:32
  Speaker 6: look at our country, the United States, and our culture,
• 1:37:36
  Speaker 6: or lack thereof, really, you know, I think that's our thing,
• 1:37:41
  Speaker 6: is movies and TV and to some degree, music, but
• 1:37:45
  Speaker 6: mostly movies. That's what we're best at from a cultural standpoint.
• 1:37:53
  Speaker 6: Which also, I mean, we haven't even touched on the
• 1:37:55
  Speaker 6: fact of how many foreign movies get remade for an
• 1:37:58
  Speaker 6: American audience, which doesn't really go the other way.
• 1:38:02
  Speaker 5: Not normally, no. But yeah, and that is, again, a
• 1:38:06
  Speaker 5: very financial angle because we're dumb Americans. We're not going
• 1:38:10
  Speaker 5: to read anything. So if you want a mass audience
• 1:38:13
  Speaker 5: to see your movie, you have to remake it essentially.
• 1:38:16
  Speaker 1: That to me is the most cynical kind of remake
• 1:38:18
  Speaker 1: is just that, you know, oh, this is a good idea,
• 1:38:21
  Speaker 1: but let's take advantage of it because, no one's going
• 1:38:29
  Speaker 1: to see the original because they don't like to read subtitles.
• 1:38:32
  Speaker 5: But at the same time, they're right.
• 1:38:36
  Speaker 3: Exactly, yeah.
• 1:38:38
  Speaker 1: It's a great strategy, but it's just like.
• 1:38:41
  Speaker 5: I see both ends of that deal.
• 1:38:45
  Speaker 6: I can just see I'm trying desperately in my head here.
• 1:38:49
  Speaker 6: To think of subtitled movies that were big in America.
• 1:38:53
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:38:53
  Speaker 6: And I can only come up with like two or three.
• 1:38:57
  Speaker 6: The most recent one I can think of is Pan's Labyrinth.
• 1:39:00
  Speaker 5: Yeah. And even that's just arthouse.
• 1:39:03
  Speaker 3: No problem.
• 1:39:04
  Speaker 6: But I think a lot of that too, though, I
• 1:39:06
  Speaker 6: don't think people who walked into the theater... Because of
• 1:39:09
  Speaker 6: the marketing, I don't think they realized it was subtitled
• 1:39:12
  Speaker 6: when they got there.
• 1:39:13
  Speaker 11: Probably.
• 1:39:13
  Speaker 6: Because I didn't.
• 1:39:15
  Speaker 3: They didn't show it on the previews. They didn't show
• 1:39:17
  Speaker 3: anyone talking.
• 1:39:18
  Speaker 5: It's all just amazing visuals.
• 1:39:20
  Speaker 3: It was just the visuals and sound effects.
• 1:39:22
  Speaker 1: I definitely knew it was subtitled because I was a
• 1:39:27
  Speaker 1: big Del Toro.
• 1:39:28
  Speaker 3: Fan at that point.
• 1:39:29
  Speaker 1: I was like, oh shit, the guy did Devil's Backbone.
• 1:39:33
  Speaker 1: But most people were like, oh, like a cool, like
• 1:39:37
  Speaker 1: a fun... uh, fantasy, uh, you know, I don't think the,
• 1:39:42
  Speaker 1: the trailers even made it look like it was this
• 1:39:44
  Speaker 1: R rated thing either.
• 1:39:45
  Speaker 3: Like it was a terrible market.
• 1:39:47
  Speaker 1: He's had a bad, uh, Del Toro has, he's had
• 1:39:49
  Speaker 1: like bad experiences with.
• 1:39:50
  Speaker 6: Marketing, but I mean, from a financial standpoint, it worked
• 1:39:53
  Speaker 6: cause that was a huge movie.
• 1:39:55
  Speaker 3: It did. Yeah. I mean, uh, such a good movie.
• 1:39:58
  Speaker 6: The only other two I can think of are life
• 1:40:00
  Speaker 6: is beautiful and, uh, crouching tiger, hidden dragon.
• 1:40:03
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah.
• 1:40:04
  Speaker 6: Both. All three of those were huge blockbusters in this country.
• 1:40:07
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:40:08
  Speaker 1: Well, they had to dub Crouching Tiger for most multiplexes,
• 1:40:12
  Speaker 1: I think.
• 1:40:12
  Speaker 3: Oh, did they really?
• 1:40:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah, like I think only places like Baxter did they
• 1:40:16
  Speaker 1: have like a subtitle kind of option.
• 1:40:19
  Speaker 5: I was trying to think before that, before that wave,
• 1:40:22
  Speaker 5: I was trying to think of something older that kind
• 1:40:24
  Speaker 5: of brought, the only one I could think of that
• 1:40:25
  Speaker 5: people like consistently bought on video back in the day
• 1:40:31
  Speaker 5: that seemed unlikely was we sold a ton of Das Boot.
• 1:40:34
  Speaker 6: Das Boot, yeah, that was.
• 1:40:35
  Speaker 5: And I'm like, I think, like, even action dudes from
• 1:40:38
  Speaker 5: this country were just like, yeah, but that's a good movie, man. Like,
• 1:40:40
  Speaker 5: I think somehow it broke through just enough to, like,
• 1:40:44
  Speaker 5: bring in some semi-normal generic American viewers.
• 1:40:46
  Speaker 6: There was a small market, too, for La Cage a Fall.
• 1:40:51
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah.
• 1:40:52
  Speaker 6: But not, like, for... I mean, Das Boot was... Das
• 1:40:55
  Speaker 6: Boot had a follow-up. I know a ton of action
• 1:40:57
  Speaker 6: and World War II guys who love.
• 1:40:59
  Speaker 5: That are like, that's my go-to movie. That's my dad
• 1:41:02
  Speaker 5: loves that movie. Yeah, that's one that... kind of against
• 1:41:06
  Speaker 5: the odds broke through in this country, surprisingly. But you just, again,
• 1:41:11
  Speaker 5: I hadn't thought about this. This is another one of
• 1:41:13
  Speaker 5: those that doesn't make sense, really, because you mentioned music.
• 1:41:17
  Speaker 5: How often do we hear people do covers of other people?
• 1:41:21
  Speaker 5: And they'll be like, oh, that's a stupid version, or
• 1:41:23
  Speaker 5: that's not as good as the original. But they don't
• 1:41:26
  Speaker 5: lose their mind if somebody decides to cover a song
• 1:41:29
  Speaker 5: that they like, they usually are just like, nah, the
• 1:41:32
  Speaker 5: original's way better than this, and they go on about
• 1:41:35
  Speaker 5: their day. But they don't freak out the way they
• 1:41:37
  Speaker 5: do with movies.
• 1:41:38
  Speaker 6: Right now, Weezer's cover of Africa by Toto is huge.
• 1:41:43
  Speaker 6: I mean, it's died down in the charts, but it's
• 1:41:47
  Speaker 6: a huge hit there for a minute. And no one
• 1:41:49
  Speaker 6: was upset by that.
• 1:41:50
  Speaker 5: Well, I listened to it, and I was just like, again,
• 1:41:53
  Speaker 5: it's almost the same thing I said, but I literally
• 1:41:55
  Speaker 5: said this out loud to somebody the first time I
• 1:41:57
  Speaker 5: heard it. I was like, It's the same thing I
• 1:42:00
  Speaker 5: say about the movie end of it. Why bother doing this?
• 1:42:04
  Speaker 5: It's so damn close to the Toto version. I'm like,
• 1:42:07
  Speaker 5: what's the point from your end? I'm like, what's the
• 1:42:09
  Speaker 5: point of you covering it? Exactly. Like, I mean, there's
• 1:42:12
  Speaker 5: minor differences, but it's so damn close.
• 1:42:15
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:42:16
  Speaker 5: Same thing with the movies i'm like why bother doing
• 1:42:19
  Speaker 5: an exact version.
• 1:42:19
  Speaker 6: Of a thing you've already seen but you know in
• 1:42:22
  Speaker 6: the 50s and 60s that was oh yeah that was
• 1:42:24
  Speaker 6: how you got music it was written and recorded by.
• 1:42:26
  Speaker 5: There was only 30 songs and they all traded off
• 1:42:29
  Speaker 5: and played them over and over and again like nobody
• 1:42:31
  Speaker 5: had a problem with that that was just like oh
• 1:42:33
  Speaker 5: i like this guy's version i like this guy's so
• 1:42:35
  Speaker 5: like it was okay then and then like we lost
• 1:42:38
  Speaker 5: that like now people are so attached then i'm like
• 1:42:41
  Speaker 5: what if nobody would ever let you listen to blue
• 1:42:44
  Speaker 5: suede shoes Because he didn't write that song. That was
• 1:42:47
  Speaker 5: another guy's song. But the only reason anybody knew what
• 1:42:50
  Speaker 5: it was was because Elvis did it. Nobody cared about
• 1:42:54
  Speaker 5: Carl Perkins, comparatively. It's like, yes, he has his fan base,
• 1:42:58
  Speaker 5: but not the way that Elvis did. So it's the
• 1:43:01
  Speaker 5: same thing. It's like, why is it okay for people
• 1:43:03
  Speaker 5: to cover a song, but we can't remake a movie
• 1:43:06
  Speaker 5: without people losing their damn minds?
• 1:43:08
  Speaker 4: Wow.
• 1:43:09
  Speaker 1: I think a lot of it has to do with
• 1:43:11
  Speaker 1: seeing these movies, like when you're younger or, you know,
• 1:43:15
  Speaker 1: they see them in their childhood and that, and when
• 1:43:17
  Speaker 1: you're young, you don't have that understanding of movies as
• 1:43:21
  Speaker 1: like a property or like a, like a song that
• 1:43:25
  Speaker 1: can be covered, you know, over and over. It's this
• 1:43:29
  Speaker 1: singular thing in its own unit. It's, it's definitive. It
• 1:43:34
  Speaker 1: has these characters, like it's real to you. Like, you
• 1:43:37
  Speaker 1: don't think of it as like a premise that can
• 1:43:39
  Speaker 1: be done. So you're just like, if they're doing it again,
• 1:43:42
  Speaker 1: it's just, it's almost like they're just getting rid of
• 1:43:46
  Speaker 1: the old one. Like, cause like in your mind, like
• 1:43:49
  Speaker 1: physically you can't comprehend that.
• 1:43:52
  Speaker 3: Oh, it's, it's a cover. Like it doesn't work that way.
• 1:43:55
  Speaker 1: Cause your, your childhood past is like, this is the
• 1:43:58
  Speaker 1: only one it's this, there's no other ghostbusters. That's like,
• 1:44:02
  Speaker 1: how does that happen? That can't physically happen. My mind's
• 1:44:04
  Speaker 1: going to explode. If there's another ghostbusters in my brain,
• 1:44:07
  Speaker 1: You can't replace, like, you can't, yeah. It's something to
• 1:44:11
  Speaker 1: do with, I think, how we watch movies as a kid.
• 1:44:13
  Speaker 5: And I've continuously said this over the years, too, but
• 1:44:15
  Speaker 5: I think that's a generational thing. And I think that
• 1:44:18
  Speaker 5: kicked in with that Gen X crowd, and it got
• 1:44:21
  Speaker 5: passed on to the Gen Y, and, like, millennials are
• 1:44:24
  Speaker 5: kind of a new weird version of it. But I'm like,
• 1:44:27
  Speaker 5: I think it really is something that we, where that
• 1:44:32
  Speaker 5: first wave of, like, speed spoiled generation that like we
• 1:44:36
  Speaker 5: latched on to pop culture in a way that no
• 1:44:39
  Speaker 5: generation ever had before and we also started to get
• 1:44:42
  Speaker 5: repeat viewings we didn't have you know access like we
• 1:44:46
  Speaker 5: do now but we had reruns first off and then
• 1:44:50
  Speaker 5: we had vhs and then we so we we started
• 1:44:52
  Speaker 5: like re-watching these things over and over and over again
• 1:44:55
  Speaker 5: so much so that it became equally as important to
• 1:44:59
  Speaker 5: us as our real life World War II, they weren't
• 1:45:02
  Speaker 5: worried about that shit. They had real life. They had
• 1:45:05
  Speaker 5: to go fight a war. They were saving the world.
• 1:45:07
  Speaker 1: They were passive about movies and music and stuff. I
• 1:45:11
  Speaker 1: feel like movies before the big explosion of blockbuster cinema
• 1:45:18
  Speaker 1: in the 70s, most movie going was, I feel like,
• 1:45:20
  Speaker 1: more I mean, I can't speak because not being alive,
• 1:45:30
  Speaker 1: but I feel like it was more of a passive
• 1:45:33
  Speaker 1: experience and people didn't really hold the idea of one movie. Because,
• 1:45:38
  Speaker 1: you know, there wasn't home video. I feel like that
• 1:45:40
  Speaker 1: was a big part of it. What you mentioned about
• 1:45:41
  Speaker 1: watching over and over and over on the VHS tape.
• 1:45:44
  Speaker 1: You know, people saw a movie, they're like, oh, that
• 1:45:46
  Speaker 1: was really great. Like, you know, and it's a way
• 1:45:48
  Speaker 1: that's gone from their lives forever. Like, unless they decide
• 1:45:51
  Speaker 1: to see it again that weekend.
• 1:45:53
  Speaker 5: That's what I was going to say. Up until home video.
• 1:45:56
  Speaker 1: They knew they just weren't conditioned to be as precious.
• 1:45:59
  Speaker 5: Yeah, you didn't attach yourself to the movie because you
• 1:46:02
  Speaker 5: saw it in a theater once. And that was probably
• 1:46:05
  Speaker 5: the only time you'd ever see it. Like, they didn't,
• 1:46:08
  Speaker 5: unless they did a revival in the theater, you didn't
• 1:46:11
  Speaker 5: see it again. years later it got to a point
• 1:46:13
  Speaker 5: maybe they play it on a late show on TV.
• 1:46:16
  Speaker 5: But for the most part, you might go decades and
• 1:46:20
  Speaker 5: never have a shot at seeing a movie that you
• 1:46:22
  Speaker 5: loved again. And like, so people were not that precious
• 1:46:27
  Speaker 5: about stuff. Whereas when we got to a point of like,
• 1:46:30
  Speaker 5: we could watch things repeatedly. And then even more so
• 1:46:32
  Speaker 5: when we could watch it whenever the hell we wanted,
• 1:46:35
  Speaker 5: we became super attached to stuff that, It changes that
• 1:46:39
  Speaker 5: whole scenario, and I think that's why we're the whiniest
• 1:46:41
  Speaker 5: about that kind of stuff, too.
• 1:46:43
  Speaker 6: Well, I can think of, and I'm sure both of
• 1:46:45
  Speaker 6: you guys have similar experiences. I can remember going to
• 1:46:48
  Speaker 6: get whatever movie on VHS, and even if it was terrible,
• 1:46:52
  Speaker 6: I'd watch it five or six times in one week.
• 1:46:54
  Speaker 5: Because you had it.
• 1:46:55
  Speaker 6: Call people over, hey, check this out. And then, I mean,
• 1:46:58
  Speaker 6: I still buy DVDs because I'm old-fashioned, I guess. Yeah.
• 1:47:05
  Speaker 6: But I don't do that anymore, or at least not
• 1:47:08
  Speaker 6: as much.
• 1:47:09
  Speaker 5: Which is the repeated watching?
• 1:47:11
  Speaker 6: The repeated watching.
• 1:47:12
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:47:12
  Speaker 6: You know, I'll buy something, I'll watch it once, and
• 1:47:15
  Speaker 6: I may not see it again for five years.
• 1:47:17
  Speaker 5: I mean, again, now I think some of it's I
• 1:47:19
  Speaker 5: don't have time. So that might be the, using quotes,
• 1:47:22
  Speaker 5: growing up part, which I think we all know I
• 1:47:24
  Speaker 5: didn't really do that. But it is one of those,
• 1:47:27
  Speaker 5: your life does get way more complicated as you get
• 1:47:30
  Speaker 5: older versus when you're a kid. You have all day
• 1:47:32
  Speaker 5: to do whatever the hell you want, especially when you
• 1:47:34
  Speaker 5: don't have school. Anytime school's out, you can do whatever
• 1:47:37
  Speaker 5: the hell you want. So yeah, I think that changes
• 1:47:40
  Speaker 5: as you get older. But also, I guess Tracy just
• 1:47:43
  Speaker 5: brought up this earlier, she was also like, bad movies
• 1:47:47
  Speaker 5: were for younger people when I had patience for that.
• 1:47:50
  Speaker 5: But now that I know I only have a finite
• 1:47:52
  Speaker 5: amount of time... maybe on earth but certainly like within
• 1:47:56
  Speaker 5: my day i'm only got so many movies i can
• 1:47:57
  Speaker 5: get around to watching this week am i gonna waste
• 1:48:00
  Speaker 5: one of those spots with something i know is probably
• 1:48:02
  Speaker 5: not very good like i feel like that's is something
• 1:48:06
  Speaker 5: you start changing as you get older too so.
• 1:48:08
  Speaker 1: It's it's something you can't really i mean because because
• 1:48:12
  Speaker 1: you see that in movie critics too All the young,
• 1:48:15
  Speaker 1: hip critics love... They're the ones defending this movie that's
• 1:48:20
  Speaker 1: getting universally panned by whoever at the New Yorker. Who's
• 1:48:25
  Speaker 1: in their 70s and is like, I'm this shit.
• 1:48:28
  Speaker 3: I'm not wasting my time. Don't waste your.
• 1:48:30
  Speaker 1: Literally giving the movie zero stars just because they're just
• 1:48:35
  Speaker 1: insulted that.
• 1:48:37
  Speaker 5: You wasted my two hours.
• 1:48:39
  Speaker 3: And 35 minutes.
• 1:48:39
  Speaker 1: The twilight of their life, like they're being forced to
• 1:48:42
  Speaker 1: like watch this thing. They're, you know, they're just repulsed by,
• 1:48:46
  Speaker 1: and like, you know, if you're younger and you have more,
• 1:48:48
  Speaker 1: you know, you just consume everything.
• 1:48:50
  Speaker 3: You have more energy. You're more, you're more.
• 1:48:52
  Speaker 1: Open to, to kind of, or maybe not even open.
• 1:48:55
  Speaker 1: Maybe it's just like, you're young and you're young and dumb.
• 1:48:58
  Speaker 1: And like, you don't, you, you just like, you just
• 1:49:00
  Speaker 1: want to just like, you know, absorb everything.
• 1:49:03
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I think you're open to the idea of anything.
• 1:49:05
  Speaker 1: You just want to argue for the sake of arguing
• 1:49:07
  Speaker 1: for some, you know, and that just goes away when
• 1:49:10
  Speaker 1: you're older.
• 1:49:10
  Speaker 5: Old people do that too.
• 1:49:12
  Speaker 6: I remember watching tons of movies that people would tell
• 1:49:15
  Speaker 6: me this is absolute garbage, don't bother. And I would
• 1:49:18
  Speaker 6: watch it and I'd be like, and I would never
• 1:49:20
  Speaker 6: admit they were right, but I'd be like, at least
• 1:49:23
  Speaker 6: I finally have the experience of I'm saying I saw
• 1:49:26
  Speaker 6: whatever this terrible thing was.
• 1:49:28
  Speaker 5: I've landed on that as just the way to handle
• 1:49:31
  Speaker 5: it anyway. No matter how many bad reviews, I still
• 1:49:34
  Speaker 5: won't totally... There's stuff I don't care about and I've
• 1:49:39
  Speaker 5: put way, way on the back of my list, but
• 1:49:41
  Speaker 5: there's never anything that I'm just like, I'm just not
• 1:49:43
  Speaker 5: going to watch that. A lot of people are like that,
• 1:49:48
  Speaker 5: but I'm always like, I feel like I need to
• 1:49:49
  Speaker 5: watch everything. To me, it all comes into this big
• 1:49:53
  Speaker 5: game of weighing out good and bad and everything. If
• 1:49:57
  Speaker 5: all you saw were good movies, how the hell would
• 1:49:59
  Speaker 5: you be able to grade anything? To be some sort
• 1:50:02
  Speaker 5: of critic at all, you need to have a good gauge.
• 1:50:06
  Speaker 5: You need to be able to see what's out there
• 1:50:08
  Speaker 5: in general across the board.
• 1:50:12
  Speaker 1: I guess I don't see movies... It's rare if I totally... Well,
• 1:50:17
  Speaker 1: it's not rare, but I don't dismiss movies as easily
• 1:50:23
  Speaker 1: as a lot of other people. I, like, compartmentalize and, like,
• 1:50:27
  Speaker 1: as long as there's a movie by someone I think
• 1:50:30
  Speaker 1: is interesting or if it's, like, made with a certain
• 1:50:32
  Speaker 1: level of intelligence or, like, ferocity or whatever, like, if it's, like,
• 1:50:37
  Speaker 1: a mixed bag, like, I'll still be into it and I'll, like,
• 1:50:40
  Speaker 1: maybe watch it again for, like, a certain moment or whatever. But,
• 1:50:45
  Speaker 1: you know, there's a whole... Most people, it's not even, like,
• 1:50:48
  Speaker 1: a group, but it's, like, most people... If it doesn't
• 1:50:50
  Speaker 1: totally work perfectly, it's like, this is garbage, skip it.
• 1:50:55
  Speaker 1: Your life is better without this thing because it just
• 1:50:56
  Speaker 1: doesn't work. Forget that it has these qualities. Overall, the
• 1:51:01
  Speaker 1: idea of just like, you can skip it. You can
• 1:51:04
  Speaker 1: skip this movie. I'm always like, I know ahead of
• 1:51:09
  Speaker 1: time sometimes, even if I won't like a movie, but
• 1:51:11
  Speaker 1: I'm just like, I don't want to skip it because
• 1:51:12
  Speaker 1: who knows? There's bound to be something that I'm going
• 1:51:16
  Speaker 1: to be into.
• 1:51:16
  Speaker 3: I've seen....
• 1:51:18
  Speaker 6: I've seen terrible movies where I'd be like, oh, this sucks,
• 1:51:23
  Speaker 6: but I can see where this influenced this.
• 1:51:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:51:27
  Speaker 6: And now that makes this other thing seem even better.
• 1:51:30
  Speaker 6: It gives you perspective.
• 1:51:32
  Speaker 4: Exactly.
• 1:51:33
  Speaker 6: I'm sure everybody at this table, and I'm sure people
• 1:51:35
  Speaker 6: that are listening right now, have seen just have found that,
• 1:51:40
  Speaker 6: that wonderful movie that they would have not found otherwise
• 1:51:43
  Speaker 6: if they'd listened to everybody else.
• 1:51:45
  Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah.
• 1:51:46
  Speaker 6: And just said, Oh yeah. And, and they watch it
• 1:51:48
  Speaker 6: and it's like, Oh my God, this is one of
• 1:51:50
  Speaker 6: the top 10 movies I've seen this.
• 1:51:51
  Speaker 3: Year or whatever.
• 1:51:53
  Speaker 5: So I think, yeah, we've, we've, as I, as I predicted,
• 1:51:57
  Speaker 5: we'd spiral off in many directions. And so coming off
• 1:52:00
  Speaker 5: of remakes and branding and all of this, I think
• 1:52:03
  Speaker 5: we'd get to a much bigger take on all of it. And,
• 1:52:06
  Speaker 5: Don't take anybody else's word. Don't listen to them when
• 1:52:09
  Speaker 5: they tell you not to remake that movie, and don't
• 1:52:11
  Speaker 5: listen to them when they tell you don't watch that movie.
• 1:52:13
  Speaker 5: Go do whatever the hell you want. Trust your own judgment,
• 1:52:16
  Speaker 5: and then hopefully you've built up enough of a catalog
• 1:52:20
  Speaker 5: of stuff that you have your own taste and your
• 1:52:23
  Speaker 5: own system to gauge it by. So, yeah, just go
• 1:52:26
  Speaker 5: by that. Think for yourself, damn it. Question authority. All right, so.
• 1:52:33
  Speaker 5: Anything else?
• 1:52:34
  Speaker 6: No, I'm proud of us.
• 1:52:36
  Speaker 5: I feel like we've hit quite a few different arrows.
• 1:52:38
  Speaker 6: We didn't veer as far off topic as I've seen
• 1:52:41
  Speaker 6: us go before.
• 1:52:42
  Speaker 5: But I feel like, again, I think it all just
• 1:52:44
  Speaker 5: led to the other. It's just one thing spirals into
• 1:52:48
  Speaker 5: the next topic, which are all kind of interconnected. So
• 1:52:52
  Speaker 5: that's why I like when we end up with something
• 1:52:54
  Speaker 5: like that.
• 1:52:56
  Speaker 1: I do think that we are in the good or
• 1:52:59
  Speaker 1: starting to be good phase of remakes.
• 1:53:02
  Speaker 11: Yeah.
• 1:53:03
  Speaker 1: Um it for a while it was just like you
• 1:53:06
  Speaker 1: know almost always guaranteed a remake would just be shit
• 1:53:11
  Speaker 1: and you know even if you're like not into stars
• 1:53:15
  Speaker 1: born or like the new halloween or whatever like you
• 1:53:17
  Speaker 1: can agree on some level that you know oh they're
• 1:53:21
  Speaker 1: they're being made with a certain level of seriousness that
• 1:53:24
  Speaker 1: you know back 15 years ago they weren't being made uh,
• 1:53:29
  Speaker 1: in that way.
• 1:53:30
  Speaker 3: So that's a good sign, I guess.
• 1:53:32
  Speaker 6: I think too, you've got a generation of filmmakers who,
• 1:53:34
  Speaker 6: who grew up watching crap remakes and they've said, well,
• 1:53:38
  Speaker 6: if I ever have to do that, I'm not doing
• 1:53:40
  Speaker 6: it like this.
• 1:53:41
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:53:41
  Speaker 5: That probably is that wave coming out of those like
• 1:53:44
  Speaker 5: nineties and early two thousands remakes.
• 1:53:46
  Speaker 6: And I'm just like, yeah, I kind of think it
• 1:53:49
  Speaker 6: almost makes, makes it worth having to wade through all
• 1:53:53
  Speaker 6: this garbage.
• 1:53:54
  Speaker 5: I mean, that's what I always say. Like as much
• 1:53:55
  Speaker 5: as people want to bad mouth, bad movies, I'm like it,
• 1:53:59
  Speaker 5: it helps you you know sort of mold who you
• 1:54:02
  Speaker 5: are and what you like because you need that other
• 1:54:05
  Speaker 5: end of the scale like you need to know what
• 1:54:08
  Speaker 5: you don't like to be able to figure out what
• 1:54:10
  Speaker 5: you want to strive for to do yourself you know
• 1:54:12
  Speaker 5: it's like we all kind of need that and if
• 1:54:15
  Speaker 5: nobody watches any of these terrible movies like we it's
• 1:54:18
  Speaker 5: a super unbalanced system like i feel like you're gonna
• 1:54:21
  Speaker 5: go way off in left field and have all these
• 1:54:24
  Speaker 5: weird little tangent thing like people will only follow their
• 1:54:27
  Speaker 5: own weird little ideas to the point that nobody which
• 1:54:30
  Speaker 5: is kind of maybe what we're getting to everything has
• 1:54:32
  Speaker 5: become so fractured in the internet version of reality that
• 1:54:36
  Speaker 5: like everything is its own little pinpoint version of my
• 1:54:41
  Speaker 5: taste and this is what i like and this is
• 1:54:43
  Speaker 5: my friends and this is so we are maybe getting
• 1:54:46
  Speaker 5: further away from that mass appeal kind of a thing
• 1:54:48
  Speaker 5: but I don't know. I think there is something to
• 1:54:50
  Speaker 5: be said for, for, you know, just trusting yourself and
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  Speaker 5: watching enough stuff to be able to give yourself a decent,
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  Speaker 5: like balance that you have some sort of taste that
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  Speaker 5: you've cultivated over the years. So hopefully we've helped you
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  Speaker 5: with that along the way.
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  Speaker 6: And we've mentioned this before. It's like, look at star Wars.
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  Speaker 6: Look at how much that was influenced by.
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  Speaker 5: So many things. It's again, that to me, that that's
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  Speaker 5: back to my original point, like early on was just like,
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  Speaker 5: do your own thing, but steal from the stuff that
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  Speaker 5: you love. And like, I mean that in the best
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  Speaker 5: possible way, don't rip it off, but like everything that
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  Speaker 5: he loved about all these like serials and, and foreign
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  Speaker 5: films and all of this stuff that the art house
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  Speaker 5: kid that he was loved. What if I take that
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  Speaker 5: and just make my own big, crazy thing? And like, again,
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  Speaker 5: that's the way to do it. Like, don't worry about, again,
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  Speaker 5: you can remake something if you want to, but I'm
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  Speaker 5: like equally as much, just take those things that you
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  Speaker 5: love and sort of, channel them into this new product
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  Speaker 5: that is hopefully is you know enjoyable for other people
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  Speaker 5: as you put it together in your head so trust
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  Speaker 5: your instincts there.
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  Speaker 4: We go.
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  Speaker 5: All right i think we've hit a lot of points
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  Speaker 5: along the way so thank you both for coming along
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  Speaker 5: and all of you people at home for joining us
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  Speaker 5: too otherwise that about does it we will return next
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  Speaker 5: time same geek feed thanks for.
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  Speaker 12: Listening I've got a word or two To say about
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  Speaker 12: the things that you.
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  Speaker 2: Do You're telling all.
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  Speaker 6: Those lies.
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  Speaker 13: About the good things that we can.
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  Speaker 5: Have if we close our.
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  Speaker 2: Eyes Do what you want to do And go where
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  Speaker 2: you're going to.
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  Speaker 5: Take care of yourself cause I.
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  Speaker 2: Won't be there with you I left you far behind
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  Speaker 2: The ruins of the life that you have in mind
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  Speaker 2: And though you still can't see I know your mind's
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  Speaker 2: made up You're gonna cause more misery.
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  Speaker 13: Do what you want to do And go where you're
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  Speaker 13: going to Think for yourself cause I won't be there.
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  Speaker 2: With you Although your mind's.
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  Speaker 10: Opaque Try thinking more if just for your own sake.
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  Speaker 12: The future still looks.
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  Speaker 5: Good And you've got.
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  Speaker 13: Time to rectify All the things that you should Do.
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  Speaker 5: What you want to do.
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  Speaker 13: And go where you're going to think for yourself cause
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  Speaker 13: i won't be there with you do.
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  Speaker 5: What you want to.
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  Speaker 1: Do and go Yeah. I, um, I literally could do
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  Speaker 1: just like a week of just podcasts about Suspiria. Just
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  Speaker 1: being like, you know, I would have to bring textbooks.
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  Speaker 5: Again, we can return to it.
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  Speaker 3: Which is right there.
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  Speaker 1: That shows why like the people who hate it, understandably so,
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  Speaker 1: like you don't go to Suspiria for, you know.
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  Speaker 5: Good popcorn.
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  Speaker 3: You know, Holocaust subtext.
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  Speaker 6: Have you guys seen that movie Cigarette Burns? Oh, the
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  Speaker 6: Masters of Horror?
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  Speaker 5: Yes. It's been a long time.
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  Speaker 3: Is that the one with the.
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  Speaker 6: It's the one with.
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  Speaker 5: It's Norma Reedus, isn't it?
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  Speaker 6: What?
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  Speaker 5: I think Norma Reedus is in it.
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  Speaker 6: I couldn't tell you who's in it.
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  Speaker 5: I thought so.
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  Speaker 6: It's a carpenter.
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  Speaker 3: The idea.
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  Speaker 6: I don't remember. All I remember is it's a movie
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  Speaker 6: about a movie that's supposed to be so shocking and
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  Speaker 6: so disturbing and... And they're trying to track it down.
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  Speaker 6: And they go to one guy who's been writing a
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  Speaker 6: review on it for 25 years. Because there's just so many.
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  Speaker 6: And they walk into his apartment. That's great. And there's
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  Speaker 6: just stacks of paper everywhere.
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  Speaker 10: Oh, that's great.
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  Speaker 3: I love that.
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  Speaker 6: But that's the way you talk about it.
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  Speaker 3: That's going to be me.
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  Speaker 5: That's kind of where we are with this show. It's
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  Speaker 5: like we're a decade into that process now.
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  Speaker 6: It's just a work in progress.
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  Speaker 5: Still trying to figure out film.
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