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Monday Morning QB w/ Hugh Millen · Chuck in the Morning

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  Speaker 1: You know, a loss could end up being a really
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  Speaker 1: good radio show, even if you're angry about it. But
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  Speaker 1: this has been such a great game to react to.
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  Speaker 1: And if anybody on our station spends their entire show
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  Speaker 1: finding faults with the Seahawks after last night, good luck
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  Speaker 1: to you.
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  Speaker 2: That's your thing. Why would you?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, no, it's just a time to bask in what
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  Speaker 3: was such a dominant performance. And I just loved how
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  Speaker 3: It reminded me, when I played for Bill Parcells, he
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  Speaker 3: had a saying, hey, you know the old saying, you
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  Speaker 3: can lead a horse to water.
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  Speaker 2: Can't make him drink? Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: He said, hey, I can show you the competition. I
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  Speaker 3: can't make you compete. And Seattle has, through the Snyder era,
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  Speaker 3: they uniquely target the type of guys that are going
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  Speaker 3: to be uber competitors.
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  Speaker 2: You don't see.
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  Speaker 3: Not that this would be the type of game you
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  Speaker 3: don't see emotional in no shows. Not that that really
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  Speaker 3: applies here, but just this was a situation. You know,
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  Speaker 3: I thought it was more than one game. I thought
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  Speaker 3: it was a fork in the road game. What are
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  Speaker 3: the 2026 Seahawks going to be here at three and three? Because,
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  Speaker 3: you know, we'll talk later about the schedule, but I
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  Speaker 3: think you can you can beat the Bears in what
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  Speaker 3: figures to be another emotional Monday night game next week.
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  Speaker 3: Then the schedule really kind of backs off. I even
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  Speaker 3: like our chances down in San Francisco. The NFC East
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  Speaker 3: is the least, and you've got three games in a
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  Speaker 3: row against them that in August seemed like they could
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  Speaker 3: be formidable.
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  Speaker 2: The degree of difficulty on them went way down.
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  Speaker 3: So this was just like a, hey, a season-defining game. Uh, and,
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  Speaker 3: and just the effort, the competitiveness, they were showed the
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  Speaker 3: competition and they competed. Byron Murphy is sprinting all up
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  Speaker 3: and down the sidelines. You know, he was a high
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  Speaker 3: school tailback and, and this is a, you know, a
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  Speaker 3: pudgy nose guard that has just so much power and
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  Speaker 3: so much speed and athleticism. And, and, but the, the,
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  Speaker 3: the effort, and I promise you that that will be
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  Speaker 3: shown in uh, in the, in the tape. So just,
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  Speaker 3: you know, the, the offense, you know, Sam Darnold, there
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  Speaker 3: was a lot on Sam Darnold.
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  Speaker 2: A lot on him.
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  Speaker 3: It's like, Hey, Hey, like he, even though he threw
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  Speaker 3: the one interception, just the ability for him to play
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  Speaker 3: fast and decisive, knowing that he couldn't throw interceptions and, and,
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  Speaker 3: and those tight windows. So Sam Darnold was, was, uh,
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  Speaker 3: borderline spectacular in that first half and of course he
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  Speaker 3: had the the um the interception that we'll talk about
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  Speaker 3: and there was a lot going on there um you
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  Speaker 3: know the more when i studied the tape but but
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  Speaker 3: but i just think just just proud of the team
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  Speaker 3: and then mike mcdonald you know what he just absolutely
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  Speaker 3: flexed again and dunked on again one of the premier
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  Speaker 3: offensive mind's supposedly of our generation. You just keep lining
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  Speaker 3: this guy up and show Mike McDonald the competition, and
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  Speaker 3: he is going to compete because he's going to take
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  Speaker 3: these guys that thought to be the best offensive minds,
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  Speaker 3: and he absolutely pantses them. And for Mahomes, who's in
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  Speaker 3: many people's eyes the best quarterback of the generation, that's
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  Speaker 3: a fair description. But for Mahomes to be so befuddled and,
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  Speaker 3: you know, to not go in the red zone, to,
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  Speaker 3: you know, 11 first downs, fewest ever, you know, three
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  Speaker 3: points tied for fewest ever in his career, to have
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  Speaker 3: literally historic type of inefficiencies from him. And then he
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  Speaker 3: had his, he had K-9, which was supposed to be
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  Speaker 3: the difference maker, everything that was attached to that destruction.
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  Speaker 2: Just what a night for the Seattle Seahawks. Tip your hat.
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  Speaker 2: So fun to watch.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, no doubt.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, it took them seven games to play their
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  Speaker 1: first complete game, but man, I'll tell you what, any,
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  Speaker 1: any fan being honest with themselves of any other team
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  Speaker 1: in the national football, they can sat down and watch
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  Speaker 1: that last night.
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  Speaker 4: They had a poop your pants kind of moment there.
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  Speaker 1: Cause that, cause the world champs look like world champs
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  Speaker 1: last night.
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  Speaker 4: There's no question about it.
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  Speaker 2: All right.
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  Speaker 1: So a lot of superlatives to hand out. Does it
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  Speaker 1: start with McDonald or, or where in your opinion, uh,
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  Speaker 1: does the, does the love fest begin? Who do you
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  Speaker 1: want to wrap your arms around first? Uh, you know,
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  Speaker 1: we can, we can do the defense.
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  Speaker 3: I think that, uh, you know, it's, it's a night
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  Speaker 3: for the defense, you know, and, and we'll get to, uh,
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  Speaker 3: don't let me forget to talk about the third downs
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  Speaker 3: for Seattle offensively. But I just think that it started
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  Speaker 3: with stopping K-9. And now as it turns out, and
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  Speaker 3: I tallied them all, it was even with a one
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  Speaker 3: high and a two high. I thought it was more
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  Speaker 3: of a two high because Seattle feels comfortable playing with
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  Speaker 3: a light box. We used to say, well, an eight-man
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  Speaker 3: box is a heavy box and a seven-man box is
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  Speaker 3: a light box. And we used to use that vernacular.
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  Speaker 3: But then you say, well, wait a minute, what if
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  Speaker 3: it's a spread formation? Then a seven-man box is a
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  Speaker 3: heavy box. So now whether we say it's two high
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  Speaker 3: or one high or a heavy box or a light box,
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  Speaker 3: it's still a relatively light box, but it was about
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  Speaker 3: half and half. But they were able to just build
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  Speaker 3: the wall So much strength. Leonard Williams, Byron Murphy just
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  Speaker 3: holding that ground. Ernest Jones, his instincts in the passing game,
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  Speaker 3: in the running game, but we're talking about the running
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  Speaker 3: game now. They set the edge so that if the
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  Speaker 3: ball did bounce, they were in a position to change
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  Speaker 3: the angles. Canine had to go to get outside. Um,
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  Speaker 3: you know, Tyrese Knight had a couple of times where
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  Speaker 3: he just fired his gun, had, had, you know, physical
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  Speaker 3: finishes on there. Uh, even worry on a play, he,
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  Speaker 3: he blitzes off the left side. The ball goes, um,
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  Speaker 3: to the opposite side, the defense out around the right end. And,
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  Speaker 3: and even worry shift, uh, shifts through all of the
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  Speaker 3: chatter sprints all the way across, uh, and gets canine
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  Speaker 3: on the opposite sideline for a four yard gain. Um,
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  Speaker 3: just the, the, the, the manner in which they, um, they,
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  Speaker 3: they played with the front seven and heck you had,
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  Speaker 3: there was a couple of times where safeties got involved,
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  Speaker 3: but they barely had to get involved. Uh, the, the, uh,
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  Speaker 3: the front seven and, um, and, and building that wall.
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  Speaker 3: They're just, that there's just no movement that, you know,
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  Speaker 3: that Kansas city wants to take and Kansas cities, they
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  Speaker 3: were struggling at a tackle position, but Creed Humphrey and
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  Speaker 3: their right guard, um, uh, to a lesser extent.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Um, those guys are elite players, like pro bowl, all
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  Speaker 3: pro level players. And there was just no movement inside.
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  Speaker 3: They built the wall and, and, and changed the angles
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  Speaker 3: for canine. He couldn't make any cuts, uh, With any
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  Speaker 3: speed whatsoever, he had to be at a near stop.
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  Speaker 3: And then, of course, advantage to the defense. So I
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  Speaker 3: think it kind of all started there in how they,
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  Speaker 3: you know, when we say build the wall, they're playing
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  Speaker 3: a gap and a half. So they're going to get
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  Speaker 3: into a gap. They're going to hold. They're not going
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  Speaker 3: to try and penetrate. but then they're going to react
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  Speaker 3: to what they see and they have the strength to
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  Speaker 3: throw guys off. I mean, Leonard Williams just looks like
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  Speaker 3: a strong, it's so it's, it's, it's not just the scheme.
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  Speaker 2: They got dudes.
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  Speaker 3: Now they got strong dudes and they got agile dudes
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  Speaker 3: and they're all competitors. They're all tied to a string. They,
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  Speaker 3: they all flow to the ball. They all know where
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  Speaker 3: their help is. I mean, it's, um, It was something
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  Speaker 3: like there was a point after Derek Hall hit Pat
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  Speaker 3: Mahomes and cause that fumble. I'm sitting there watching the
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  Speaker 3: tape this morning and I'm going, Millen, you are such
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  Speaker 3: what is you like literally have like your eyes are
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  Speaker 3: sweating like at how how emotional the team played. And
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  Speaker 3: so if you love ball and you love the Seahawks, man,
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  Speaker 3: I mean, it can make you misty. That was that
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  Speaker 3: was cool stuff. For October, that's only supposed to happen
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  Speaker 3: in February. I don't know. I'm overselling it. I know.
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  Speaker 4: I know.
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  Speaker 2: Calm down. I'll take a Valium after.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I was going to say, do you mean February
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  Speaker 1: because of the Super Bowl or Valentine's Day is in February?
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  Speaker 3: I thought I knew them both. The Super Bowl is
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  Speaker 3: on Valentine's Day, isn't it?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: I'm just in love with the defense. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: All the candies.
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  Speaker 4: Well, there was one play.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: If there was one play that really stood out, I mean,
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  Speaker 1: Collinsworth went as far as saying it was the play
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  Speaker 1: of the game offensively or defensively for the Hawks. So
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  Speaker 1: that was the, um, Mahomes interception where Eamon Worry's athleticism
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  Speaker 1: was on display. I mean, Okada got the pick, but
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  Speaker 1: Eamon Worry made that play. Uh, so, uh, walk us
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  Speaker 1: through that one.
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  Speaker 3: Well, first of all, the ball's on the right hash and, uh,
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  Speaker 3: so you've got, uh, even worry. He is to the
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  Speaker 3: field and he starts as the Sam linebacker to the,
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  Speaker 3: both the formation and to the field. Cause, cause the
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  Speaker 3: defense always has to set the, uh, the, uh, the
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  Speaker 3: defense has to declare the strength, right? So it, it's
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  Speaker 3: an easy deckler decoration, uh, early on, but then, uh,
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  Speaker 3: you have Travis Kelsey goes in motion. Uh, and so
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  Speaker 3: he creates what's, what's called the FTB, a formation to boundary, um,
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  Speaker 3: type where, where the strength that there's more players into
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  Speaker 3: the boundary to the Kansas city's right side. So now
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  Speaker 3: it becomes, you know, a far-eye formation. Some people call
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  Speaker 3: it queen, whatever. But it's essentially, it's a tight end
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  Speaker 3: in the backfield, and so it's like 21 personnel. So
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  Speaker 3: the play is designed to fake, who's number 10 for them,
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  Speaker 3: the running back?
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  Speaker 4: I don't know.
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  Speaker 3: Emmitt Johnson. So you fake the toss to him. And,
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  Speaker 3: you know, the first things first is, um, Ernest Jones,
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  Speaker 3: he doesn't buy that fake whatsoever. He just immediately turns
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  Speaker 3: and he knows there's going to be an over route
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  Speaker 3: off of this boot left. So he hunts up the
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  Speaker 3: over route. So, so he takes that out of place. Now,
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  Speaker 3: even worry was coming off the edge. And because they
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  Speaker 3: were faking to the right, technically he hits the C-gap
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  Speaker 3: because he's going to have a blitz off the edge.
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  Speaker 3: But now you've got Pat Mahomes who's going around to
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  Speaker 3: his left, and he just kind of like, I don't know,
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  Speaker 3: a barrel racing. Isn't there barrel racing with horses where
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  Speaker 3: they have to run around the barrel at full speed?
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  Speaker 3: So he just does a barrel race. And, you know, here,
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  Speaker 3: here is a guy in, in Eman Worry that, uh,
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  Speaker 3: at the comment, they have what's called a relative athletic score.
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  Speaker 3: He is the only player, um, that has a perfect 10. Um,
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  Speaker 3: it is of all players since 1987. Uh, he has
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  Speaker 3: a perfect 10 at, at both safety. And if he
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  Speaker 3: was a cornerback, he'd be perfect 10. And if he
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  Speaker 3: was a wide receiver, uh, He'd be the number two
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  Speaker 3: all time behind only Calvin Johnson.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 3: And, you know, he is the only player at any position,
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  Speaker 3: 220 pounds or heavier to run a 438 or faster.
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  Speaker 3: with a 43 inch vertical and 11 and a half or,
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  Speaker 3: or bigger broad jump. He's the only player at any
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  Speaker 3: position at any size with 20 plus bench reps, a 40, uh,
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  Speaker 3: under 44, 440, um, uh, and a 43 inch vertical
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  Speaker 3: or higher.
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  Speaker 2: And, and, and again, the broad jump. So, so there's
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  Speaker 2: all these, he's the most ever.
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  Speaker 3: So, so when, when, when you hear people, um, mock the, the, the, uh, the,
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  Speaker 3: combine and say, Oh, it's the underwear Olympics, you know, blah, blah.
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  Speaker 2: You know, this doesn't matter. No, no, no, it does.
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  Speaker 3: And that's why all the GMs go to it because
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  Speaker 3: he put on, he, he, he was like Mark Spitz.
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  Speaker 3: He was like, uh, yeah, well, he was.
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  Speaker 2: Michael Phelps, Michael Phelps. He was like Michael Phelps at
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  Speaker 2: the underwear Olympics.
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  Speaker 3: He was just, he's got like 19 gold medals around
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  Speaker 3: his neck at the underwear Olympics at the combine.
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  Speaker 2: And now he's taking it to our football field. So
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  Speaker 2: it matters.
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  Speaker 3: And so that freaking freak, you know, just did a
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  Speaker 3: barrel race and chased him down. I hit him while
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  Speaker 3: he was throwing cause the interception is a big time play.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, he was, you know, he was so impactful.
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  Speaker 3: And I know we'll continue to talk about him, but
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  Speaker 3: on that play.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, just just.
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  Speaker 3: Take the dude, you know, the Michael Phelps of underwear Olympics,
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  Speaker 3: teach him how to play football, and you.
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  Speaker 2: Get plays like that.
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  Speaker 1: Well, we might as well stay on the topic because
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  Speaker 1: there's a lot more to discuss. The same guy that
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  Speaker 1: makes that play is covering Xavier Worthy.
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  Speaker 4: Down the field 35, 40 yards. I mean, can you
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  Speaker 4: explain that?
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  Speaker 2: Well, it's remarkable.
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  Speaker 3: It's almost indescribable for me because I'm going to first
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  Speaker 3: take to you a play that that Eamon Worry was
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  Speaker 3: in the flat and there's a play called Y Stick.
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  Speaker 3: That and Z Spot, I know these are just names
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  Speaker 3: to you, but Y Stick, Mike Holmgren, he would say, yeah,
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  Speaker 3: Y Stick is in Andy Reid's very first day of install.
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  Speaker 3: I have no question about it. It's been around as long,
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  Speaker 3: it's as old as the hills. They ran Y Stick
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  Speaker 3: before that and Pat Mahomes, basically you have Kelsey on
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  Speaker 3: a five-yard out route, and then the middle of three
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  Speaker 3: guys is also to the flat, and then the widest
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  Speaker 3: guy runs the takeoff. And trust me, I'm going to
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  Speaker 3: tie this back into Xavier Worthy, but it's all part
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  Speaker 3: of a big story here with Eamon Worry. So they
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  Speaker 3: run Wystick to the right, and Eamon Worry is middle
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  Speaker 3: of three guys to the flat. Remember that, middle of
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  Speaker 3: three to the flat. And he does so, so suddenly
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  Speaker 3: that it freaks Mahomes out, and Mahomes throws it to
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  Speaker 3: Eminori's man. He throws it right in the dirt, just
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  Speaker 3: dirts it on Wystick. Now, Wystick has a– again, you
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  Speaker 3: have the innermost guy runs a five-yard out, the middle
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  Speaker 3: guy runs to the flat, and the widest guy runs
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  Speaker 3: a takeoff. That's the bones of Wystick. Then a– A
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  Speaker 3: couple decades ago, they said, hey, why don't we take
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  Speaker 3: the middle guy and let him run the vertical, and
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  Speaker 3: the outside guy, instead of the outside guy running vertical,
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  Speaker 3: he'll just stand there in a little smoke or a
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  Speaker 3: short hitch route. He'll be the flat guy. So we
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  Speaker 3: got the guys in the same spaces, so we'll have
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  Speaker 3: Travis Kelsey on the stick, but instead of the wide
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  Speaker 3: guy up the sideline, let's have the middle guy run
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  Speaker 3: He'll run the vertical route because if we want to
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  Speaker 3: hit that, there's more space. He's lined up much farther
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  Speaker 3: from the sideline. He can gain width and depth up
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  Speaker 3: the field, and it's an easier throw for the quarterback.
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  Speaker 3: So some people call that concept shock, but there's other
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  Speaker 3: descriptions to it. And so Eamon Worry, he takes the
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  Speaker 3: old school wise stick and he causes the dirted ball.
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  Speaker 3: And then Andy Reid says, well, okay, now I'm going
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  Speaker 3: to do the modern wise stick, which is shock. And
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  Speaker 3: I'm going to have the middle guy run the vertical.
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  Speaker 3: And Seattle, they're playing man to man, but they're bracketing
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  Speaker 3: Travis Kelsey. They've got on the inside, they've got Ernest Jones,
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  Speaker 3: and they've got Julian Love. He is coming top down
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  Speaker 3: from the safety to take the outbreak. And so they
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  Speaker 3: are in and out on Travis Kelsey.
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  Speaker 2: And they're man-to-man everywhere else. There's no help.
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  Speaker 3: And on that shock, what did I say about the
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  Speaker 3: slot fade? It's an easier throw for the quarterback. And
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  Speaker 3: so now Mike McDonald just says, my dude can handle it.
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  Speaker 3: And he's going with a guy who runs a 4'2
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  Speaker 3: something at the combine. And now he's running stride for
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  Speaker 3: stride with him with that length. And not only was
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  Speaker 3: it an incompletion, it wasn't close. There's long foul balls
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  Speaker 3: that are close to the edge where you go, oh,
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  Speaker 3: that's kind of scary. Close to the foul pole where
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  Speaker 3: it kind of scares you. No, this was a long
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  Speaker 3: foul ball that was way the hell out. Like not
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  Speaker 3: even close. That didn't even scare you. If you're on defense,
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  Speaker 3: to carry out the analogy. And so the ability to
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  Speaker 3: be that physical in the line of scrimmage and to
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  Speaker 3: make the plays in and around the core of the formation,
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  Speaker 3: but then to be able to walk him out, let
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  Speaker 3: him go against a 4-2 guy. Let him go against
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  Speaker 3: the shot concept, which is a vertical, but it's an
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  Speaker 3: easier vertical because he's not lined up four yards from
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  Speaker 3: the sideline. He's lined up well over by the numbers,
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  Speaker 3: even inside the numbers. There's a lot of space to cover.
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  Speaker 3: And for him to just pocket that thing, I don't know.
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  Speaker 3: I don't have words to describe it. The best defensive
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  Speaker 3: player I've ever seen is Lawrence Taylor. I've actually had
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  Speaker 3: to play against him. Um, then Reggie white is number two.
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  Speaker 3: We'll say Dion will throw in a DB. Um, you know,
• 18:34
  Speaker 3: Bruce Smith, I'm, I'm, I'm thinking of the best defensive
• 18:38
  Speaker 3: players I've seen, you know, Joe green. I mean, I
• 18:40
  Speaker 3: was watching football in the Aaron Donald's in the discussion. Um,
• 18:45
  Speaker 3: so in well over 50 years of watching this game, uh,
• 18:50
  Speaker 3: he's not the best defensive player I've ever seen, but
• 18:53
  Speaker 3: he might be the most versatile.
• 18:55
  Speaker 2: Defensive player I've ever seen. And he will, he, he.
• 18:58
  Speaker 3: Does have the capacity to, uh, to be an NFL
• 19:02
  Speaker 3: defensive player of the year. Uh, it, it, it is staggering.
• 19:06
  Speaker 3: And by the way, I can't tell you how many
• 19:10
  Speaker 3: times you were, you're watching maybe the plays where he's
• 19:13
  Speaker 3: around the ball. He is deterring Pat Mahomes on all these,
• 19:20
  Speaker 3: all these plays. I've just got this long list where
• 19:22
  Speaker 3: he's the flat defender and, And Mahomes, he looks over
• 19:26
  Speaker 3: there and you can see he just, he eliminates it.
• 19:29
  Speaker 3: So Seattle's in a too high structure. And when they
• 19:32
  Speaker 3: play that dime and you got Eamon Warrior as one
• 19:35
  Speaker 3: flat defender and Witherspoon as the other, and Ernest Jones,
• 19:39
  Speaker 3: he's really got a good feel for taking number three.
• 19:43
  Speaker 3: What does number three mean? At some point, there's five
• 19:46
  Speaker 3: eligible receivers, there's a strength, and and and the you
• 19:50
  Speaker 3: know the generally number one you just count from the
• 19:52
  Speaker 3: outside in the wide receivers are one then slot guys
• 19:55
  Speaker 3: and tight ends are number two and then a running
• 19:57
  Speaker 3: back will be three in a generally sense but then
• 20:01
  Speaker 3: then you can get a new number three if the
• 20:02
  Speaker 3: running back goes to the flat and the tight end
• 20:04
  Speaker 3: goes over the middle. So he's got to say, okay,
• 20:07
  Speaker 3: before we snap the ball, he's number three. But then, okay,
• 20:10
  Speaker 3: now that the play is developing, I've got a new
• 20:12
  Speaker 3: number three. And so Ernest Jones, he is checking that
• 20:16
  Speaker 3: number three. But the guys who have to handle the
• 20:20
  Speaker 3: number twos to the flat, when Eamon Worry, I'm just
• 20:24
  Speaker 3: telling you guys, Chuck Anders, when you watch that tape,
• 20:29
  Speaker 3: And Mahomes is looking right at the flat, and whether
• 20:34
  Speaker 3: Eamon Worry is underneath a big dagger route where they
• 20:39
  Speaker 3: wanted to the left side, they wanted to get Xavier
• 20:41
  Speaker 3: Worthy on a deep in route, but Eamon Worry's getting
• 20:46
  Speaker 3: underneath it, and Mahomes, he wants no part of that smoke.
• 20:49
  Speaker 3: He goes, I don't want that. I don't want that length.
• 20:51
  Speaker 3: I don't want that athleticism. I don't want that 43
• 20:54
  Speaker 3: inch vertical. He just eliminates it.
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: Black bugle.
• 20:58
  Speaker 3: That's that's that's a bullet to the left and go
• 21:01
  Speaker 3: in my language and black because the second letter is
• 21:04
  Speaker 3: L and it's going to the left.
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: It would be brown second letters or it goes to
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: the right. So I'm just looking at my notes here.
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: He's off of it. He's off of it.
• 21:15
  Speaker 3: And, and because it's like that flat defender and you
• 21:17
  Speaker 3: don't think, you know, it's, you know, it is cool about, about, uh, uh,
• 21:22
  Speaker 3: freaking Eamon worry.
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: He won't even match the number two.
• 21:26
  Speaker 3: He'll, he'll be like five, six yards off and looking
• 21:28
  Speaker 3: back at the quarterback and, and he's daring you to
• 21:32
  Speaker 3: throw it out there. He's not trying to cover him
• 21:35
  Speaker 3: a yard or two away. he's willing to let a
• 21:39
  Speaker 3: guy be five yards open because if you throw it
• 21:42
  Speaker 3: out there, he's going to put the turbo button on
• 21:44
  Speaker 3: and get it. I'm at a loss for words to
• 21:50
  Speaker 3: describe the versatility that that guy has.
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: I can't wait to see his PFF grade. Do they
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: have one high enough for him when it comes out?
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: Well, he had a missed tackle.
• 22:00
  Speaker 4: Oh, okay. Well, what a jerk.
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: He had a missed tackle on a swing over by
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: the Seahawks sideline.
• 22:05
  Speaker 3: Loser.
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: Uh, let's see. Uh, yeah. Yeah.
• 22:11
  Speaker 4: His breath, his breath didn't smell minty fresh. You know,
• 22:14
  Speaker 4: that was a, that was another hit against him for sure.
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: He burped in the huddle.
• 22:19
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 22:19
  Speaker 4: Burped in the huddle.
• 22:20
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: You never want to do that. Spaghetti on his breath. Dude,
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: stand back. I don't know.
• 22:27
  Speaker 3: It's hard to find faults with this guy.
• 22:30
  Speaker 4: Hugh Millen is with us.
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: It's our Monday morning quarterback session, fired up after a
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: 23 win over the Kansas City Chiefs on Sunday Night Football. And,
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: of course, we're just getting started. A lot more to
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: cover with Hugh on Sports Radio 93.3 KJR FM. Good
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: performance to this point by this offense.
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: Stays on his feet.
• 22:45
  Speaker 4: He goes to the end zone.
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: Touchdown, Seattle.
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: Mike Tirico, Chris Collinsworth on the call last night, NBC.
• 22:59
  Speaker 4: They were impressed.
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: We were all impressed with the Seahawks' 20-3 victory over
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: the Kansas City Chiefs. That was the exclamation point to
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: Emmanuel Wilson's 21-yard touchdown run. And don't think it was
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: coincidence that he was pulled from the game the moment
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: he got his 100th yard touchdown.
• 23:17
  Speaker 4: Rushing last night in the.
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: Game that we titled Ken Walker Week going into it.
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: And certainly NBC and their producers spent a lot of
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: time thinking about how many different ways can we talk
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: about Ken Walker used to play for the other team.
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: And yet it all went the Seahawks away. Hugh Millen's
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: with us here. Monday morning quarterback session. Outgained them five
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: yards to one on the ground. Did you put any
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: money on that in Vegas.
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: Yesterday, Hugh?
• 23:49
  Speaker 3: No, I certainly didn't. But I'm not altogether stunned that
• 23:54
  Speaker 3: they held K-9 down. I would have never predicted to
• 23:59
  Speaker 3: that level. I mean, there's this rush success formula, which
• 24:04
  Speaker 3: is 40% of the needed yards on first down, 60%
• 24:09
  Speaker 3: of the needed yards on second down, and all of
• 24:11
  Speaker 3: the needed yards on third and fourth down. Kenneth Walker's
• 24:16
  Speaker 3: success last night was 21%. Emmanuel Wilson's was 46%. Hmm.
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: You know, just everywhere you look.
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: Well, I was saying all last week, he's twice the
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: running back Ken Walker is.
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: You know, I said to.
• 24:36
  Speaker 3: Dick on the postgame show that I felt like they had,
• 24:42
  Speaker 3: and I'm trying to pull it up here, but I
• 24:45
  Speaker 3: felt like they had all these three-yard runs. I kept
• 24:49
  Speaker 3: writing three-yard runs. Now, you'd like to be at four, right?
• 24:53
  Speaker 3: And that was a key to their offensive success. But
• 24:57
  Speaker 3: as it turns out, they had 11 running plays, the Seahawks,
• 25:02
  Speaker 3: of exactly three yards. The next closest was five, which
• 25:09
  Speaker 3: I think was four yards. And so, yeah, they had
• 25:13
  Speaker 3: a lot of three-yard runs. We know that Seattle without
• 25:17
  Speaker 3: Jadarian Price doesn't have the juice, but the three-yard runs
• 25:22
  Speaker 3: enabled them to kind of stay somewhat, if not ahead
• 25:27
  Speaker 3: of the sticks, don't get way behind the sticks. And
• 25:31
  Speaker 3: so as a consequence, their third downs, they had the
• 25:35
  Speaker 3: second shortest third down average to go. Does that make sense?
• 25:42
  Speaker 3: It was like right around a little under three, a
• 25:46
  Speaker 3: little under seven yards. It was the second shortest of
• 25:50
  Speaker 3: the season next to the New England game. But yeah,
• 25:55
  Speaker 3: I think the disparity there, I think it was really
• 26:01
  Speaker 3: good to get Seattle. They had a lot of their runs,
• 26:05
  Speaker 3: instead of trying to go wide zone like they had,
• 26:09
  Speaker 3: they did much more like mid-zone and with a lead.
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: Blocker in Brady Russell.
• 26:16
  Speaker 3: And I think he had 22 snaps. And he was
• 26:19
  Speaker 3: a lead blocker. There's what's called Bob. And Boss, Bob
• 26:25
  Speaker 3: is back on backer blocking. Boss is back on strong
• 26:29
  Speaker 3: safety blocking. And they had a lot of Bob blocking
• 26:34
  Speaker 3: where they were just trying to hammer it up inside.
• 26:38
  Speaker 3: Don't try and go wide. That's not Emmanuel Wilson's game.
• 26:43
  Speaker 3: So having a lead blocker and not trying to go
• 26:46
  Speaker 3: wide so much, I think, played a part.
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: It was bland.
• 26:52
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: But, but it, it had fiber. Yeah. The running game.
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 26:57
  Speaker 3: And, uh, you know, so it was just like, Hey,
• 27:00
  Speaker 3: just give me, keep giving me three and four yards.
• 27:02
  Speaker 3: You know, you're not gonna, you're not gonna stretch. Now,
• 27:04
  Speaker 3: finally the, and the highlight there, uh, like shredded wheat.
• 27:08
  Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah, exactly.
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: But it has five. Yeah. Without the, yeah. Without the
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: frosted frost.
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 27:13
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 27:13
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: But, but there's, you know, there's.
• 27:16
  Speaker 3: Three tight ends. On that touchdown run, there's three tight
• 27:20
  Speaker 3: ends to the left. At this point, Josh Jones was
• 27:22
  Speaker 3: in for an injured on the left side, the left tackle.
• 27:28
  Speaker 3: Josh Jones, yeah. Yeah, yeah, Josh Jones. And so they
• 27:34
  Speaker 3: were blocking down, and you ended up having Wilson just
• 27:40
  Speaker 3: hit the E-gap. Now, the C-gap is outside the tackle.
• 27:45
  Speaker 3: The D-gap would be outside the first tight end. the
• 27:48
  Speaker 3: E gap would be outside the second tight end and
• 27:50
  Speaker 3: the F gap would be outside the third tight end.
• 27:53
  Speaker 3: They had three tight ends right there in the core. And,
• 27:56
  Speaker 3: you know, eventually, you know, that kind of wears a
• 27:58
  Speaker 3: defense down, like trying to be in every gap and
• 28:01
  Speaker 3: you don't, you know, you're used to having to, how
• 28:04
  Speaker 3: do we fit the a gap and the B gap
• 28:06
  Speaker 3: and the C gap? Like that's that we do that
• 28:09
  Speaker 3: all the time and we can do that in our sleep. Right.
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: But again, Okay, now you– oh, what? Three tight ends
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: on one side? Man the E-gap?
• 28:19
  Speaker 3: Well, they just– they finally failed and blocked it well there,
• 28:24
  Speaker 3: and Emmanuel Wilson had the good vision to find the
• 28:26
  Speaker 3: spot and increase it for a touchdown. But, you know,
• 28:31
  Speaker 3: nice job by Flory. I think there was a Mike McDonald,
• 28:37
  Speaker 3: if not intervention, at least assistance. You know, like, hey,
• 28:40
  Speaker 3: what are we trying to do? These extra three days–
• 28:43
  Speaker 3: were put to good use. The staff, they didn't have
• 28:47
  Speaker 3: to go out and recruit.
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: They could just.
• 28:50
  Speaker 3: Hone in and let the players have their time off
• 28:53
  Speaker 3: and work overtime with the staff. And it showed because
• 28:58
  Speaker 3: they had a heck of a game plan in terms
• 29:00
  Speaker 3: of understanding their personnel in the running game and getting
• 29:04
  Speaker 3: enough out of it that it could complement the rest.
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: Of the football team.
• 29:09
  Speaker 4: Yeah, shoved it up their F-gap all game long is
• 29:12
  Speaker 4: what they did.
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: That's what they did, right?
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: Well, we'll talk plenty about Sam and JSN and third
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: downs in our 9 o'clock hour, but we will, of course,
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: we're not done with the 8 o'clock hour just yet.
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: So Hugh Millen is with us. It's Monday morning quarterback session.
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: So much to discuss. We'll keep the conversation going next.
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: on Sports Radio 93.3 KJR FM. Hugh Millen is with us,
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: and we're going to talk about Sam Darnall. We've got
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: a lot to discuss with him, but I've got a
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: five-minute segment here. I'm not going to try to shove
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: a 20-piece McNugget into a nine-piece box.
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: There's no question.
• 29:45
  Speaker 4: I'm not going to try to do that.
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: No, no.
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah, we'll save that and JSN for the top of
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: the hour. So since I do have a shorter segment,
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: something I kind of want– I'm being a little selfish
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: with this, but I loved seeing more tight end.
• 29:58
  Speaker 4: Use last night.
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: Hugh, four catches, 42 yards for Barner. Saubert had a
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: good catch and a nice run after the catch last night.
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: The Barner sneak was back. I don't know where that went,
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: but they– They brought that back for this week. They
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: had three successful Barner sneaks in the game last night,
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: so nice to see the tight ends used more. I've
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: been waiting seven games for this. Yeah, not as much
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: down the field.
• 30:21
  Speaker 3: I love the tight end screen, the use of that.
• 30:24
  Speaker 3: That really paid dividends, and I know you got, I think,
• 30:29
  Speaker 3: a couple of double-digit runs for sure off of tight
• 30:33
  Speaker 3: end screen. The Saubert check down, was uh i think
• 30:40
  Speaker 3: that was the first play uh first pass of the
• 30:42
  Speaker 3: third quarter and that was um basically the play that
• 30:50
  Speaker 3: caused the interception uh the interception at the end of
• 30:53
  Speaker 3: the second quarter we're going to talk about how there
• 30:57
  Speaker 3: was a little bust in there and when jsn said
• 31:01
  Speaker 3: that uh that he was playing off script i believe
• 31:05
  Speaker 3: it and and we'll get into that but but uh Darnold,
• 31:09
  Speaker 3: you know, he, he looked left. He had a, he
• 31:11
  Speaker 3: had a two man concept of what's called a smash,
• 31:13
  Speaker 3: a high corner and a flat. And then he came
• 31:16
  Speaker 3: back and got to his, his, depending on how you
• 31:20
  Speaker 3: want to describe it, either the third or the fourth receiver, um,
• 31:23
  Speaker 3: maybe even you could call it fifth, uh, receiver.
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: And, uh, and, and so, so.
• 31:30
  Speaker 3: Good job by him distributing and, and, and finding open
• 31:33
  Speaker 3: gaps in his own. But, uh, yeah, I, I agree
• 31:36
  Speaker 3: with you, the tight end. And then, uh, the bootleg,
• 31:41
  Speaker 3: you know, the wide open in the flat, finding, in
• 31:47
  Speaker 3: that case, Barner. Now, I would say I only had
• 31:51
  Speaker 3: for Darnold, I had a bunch of pluses in his
• 31:54
  Speaker 3: first half. Phenomenal first half. He's going to get minus
• 32:00
  Speaker 3: for the interception. A lot was going on there. We'll
• 32:02
  Speaker 3: talk about in the next segment, but The only other
• 32:06
  Speaker 3: minus I had for him in the first half.
• 32:08
  Speaker 4: I think I know. I think I know. Can I
• 32:10
  Speaker 4: guess it? Sure.
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: It was when he had Barner wide open and couldn't
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: get it around the Karloftis.
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: Well, just go over.
• 32:18
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: The answer is go over. Yeah. Yeah.
• 32:22
  Speaker 3: Just lob the ball over. Because here's the thing. If
• 32:26
  Speaker 3: there's a trailing defender who's behind the plate, as long
• 32:32
  Speaker 3: as you throw it out in front... And there's no
• 32:36
  Speaker 3: converging defender. Think about those terms. Converging is the defender
• 32:40
  Speaker 3: out in front. Trailing is the defender behind. If you've
• 32:45
  Speaker 3: got no defender out in front, you can lob the ball.
• 32:50
  Speaker 3: And he could have done that against Denver on the
• 32:54
  Speaker 3: first interception that he had. He had Cooper Cup wide
• 32:58
  Speaker 3: open in the flat. Yeah, there was a guy in
• 33:01
  Speaker 3: his face, but just lob it over. So I think
• 33:04
  Speaker 3: if I was coaching Sam Darnold, I would do some
• 33:07
  Speaker 3: drills here where I'd put a defender, uh, you know,
• 33:11
  Speaker 3: in the line of sight, but just throw it over and,
• 33:14
  Speaker 3: and lob as long again, as long as you're making
• 33:17
  Speaker 3: the guy sprint to go get the ball. In this case,
• 33:20
  Speaker 3: it would have been Barnard towards the sideline, but not,
• 33:23
  Speaker 3: not so much that you pull them out of bounds,
• 33:25
  Speaker 3: but you could have pulled them to the sideline. He
• 33:27
  Speaker 3: could have turned up the, he might've scored. Yeah. And so, yeah,
• 33:32
  Speaker 3: there's a minus there. I mean, he's got to figure
• 33:34
  Speaker 3: that out. Like, just figure it out. You know, some guys,
• 33:38
  Speaker 3: you know, they change their arm angle. You know, to me,
• 33:41
  Speaker 3: that would have been just easy. Just go soft and
• 33:44
  Speaker 3: over the top. But, yeah, so the tight ends, to
• 33:47
  Speaker 3: your point, really good to see that involved. Very disappointed
• 33:52
  Speaker 3: in what's happening with Shahid and what has happened with
• 33:56
  Speaker 3: Torrey Horton. So, man, you know, Cooper Cup. had a
• 34:01
  Speaker 3: nice catch over the middle on an option route where
• 34:05
  Speaker 3: they got him in the wake. I think they could
• 34:06
  Speaker 3: call that more often. So I'd like to see somebody
• 34:09
  Speaker 3: other than JSN, but good to see the tight ends involved.
• 34:14
  Speaker 3: I view Barner as like a slump buster. When the
• 34:17
  Speaker 3: offense is kind of stuck, can't get out of gear,
• 34:24
  Speaker 3: just get the ball to Barner. And it seems like
• 34:27
  Speaker 3: he kind of untracks the offense frequently, and that happened
• 34:30
  Speaker 3: last night. Yeah, yeah.
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: And in case we don't get to it, I mean,
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: the offensive line, I mean, no sacks allowed last night.
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: That was also their best game of the year as well.
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: And they ran the football last night. So I don't think.
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: Anthony Bradford made all the difference, but I guess you've
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: got to give him a little bit of credit because
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: his return seemed to spark the best offensive line.
• 34:52
  Speaker 4: Game we've seen so far.
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah, no doubt. And we talked about the running game,
• 34:56
  Speaker 2: but how about this? Anders, can you write this down? Yep.
• 34:59
  Speaker 3: Okay, against Denver, on pressures, there was 20 pressures, and
• 35:07
  Speaker 3: Darnold went 7 for 20 for 20 yards, only 20 yards,
• 35:10
  Speaker 3: and 5 sacks. Do you write that down now? Last
• 35:16
  Speaker 3: night it was five for eight for 91 yards. So
• 35:22
  Speaker 3: well over even 11 yards, it looks like close, you know,
• 35:26
  Speaker 3: over 11 yards per attempt.
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: And, and meanwhile, what would we say for Denver? Seven
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: for 20 for 20 yards and five sacks.
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 35:36
  Speaker 3: Like what, what a difference 10 days made in terms of,
• 35:41
  Speaker 3: of the pressure and, you know, that, that show Darnold
• 35:46
  Speaker 3: was able to, to scan, you know, he had a,
• 35:49
  Speaker 3: he had a two man concept on, on, on the,
• 35:53
  Speaker 3: on the play side. And then he had a three
• 35:55
  Speaker 3: man concept on his check down side, generally in breaking
• 36:00
  Speaker 3: so that the eyes you can have out breaking to
• 36:01
  Speaker 3: the two man side in breaking. When you come back
• 36:05
  Speaker 3: to the other side it's better to have those in
• 36:08
  Speaker 3: breaking and, and he could come back and, and get
• 36:11
  Speaker 3: those because he had that, pocket. Really important facet of
• 36:18
  Speaker 3: the game.
• 36:18
  Speaker 4: No doubt. Hugh Millen is with us.
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: We're going to get into some of those throws Sam
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: Darnold made, some of those catches JSN made, and of
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: course we'll talk about the one negative, the one blemish
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: on the night, the interception before the half. A quarterback
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: segment with our quarterback next on Sports Radio 93.3 KJRFM.