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Can We Do Bhakti and Karma Yoga and NOT Achieve Moksha? · Inspiration and Transformation

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Welcome to inspiration and transformation from the banks of the Gunga with Sadvi Bagwati Saraswati,
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an American Sanyasi living at the parmarth Nikitan Ashram in Rishikesh, India.
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Sadvi is President of the Divine Shakti Foundation, a charitable organization bringing education,
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vocational trainee, upliftment and empowerment programs to women and children. Sadvi is also
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Secretary General of the Global Interfaith Wash Alliance and director of the world famous International
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Yoga Festival. Joined the musings of an American Sanyasi as Sadvi shares the wisdom
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and teachings of her Guru, His Holiness Pujiaswami Chinnant Saraswatiji, Welcome everyone to
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inspiration and transformation from the holy banks of the Sacred Gunga River in the land
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of Rishakesh, India. Is Moksha mandatory. It depends what your goal is.
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Is it enough to just live a good life, doing a little bit
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of buck thief for God and doing some good deeds, Well, it depends
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what your goal is. It's like saying, you know, do I have
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to drive a long distance or is it okay to not drive a long distance,
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Well, it depends where you want to end up. I mean,
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if you want to go to Paris, you've got to drive a long distance
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or get on a flight. But if you only want to go to hard
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or well, then you don't need to drive very far. In the same
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way, you need to ask yourself what is my goal. There's no spiritual
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police that says thou shalt crave moksha. What do we do know is that
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ultimately the final highest destination experience of our soul, this jeevathma is what we
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call moksha liberation, meaning the drop becomes one with the ocean, that instead
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of being separate, I become one. I merge back into the divine from
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which I came, from which I was never separate. You don't want to
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do it this lifetime, no problem. The universe is infinitely patient. You
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don't want to do it next lifetime, no problem. The universe is infinitely
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patient. You get to keep coming back. I'm doing as much as you
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want each lifetime. The question, of course becomes why, like why would
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you unnecessarily take lots of extra time to go somewhere that you know is the
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destination? Anyway, if you could actually get there faster. But that's that's
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entirely up to you. We've been created with willpower, with free will,
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with budthi, with the ability to be disciplined or not so disciplined, to
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choose whatever we want to choose, to do a little buck thee, to
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do a lot of the Actually I could tell you, I'm not I'm not
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one hundred percent sure what a little buck te means. Meaning either you love
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someone or you don't. I don't know. If you can love a little
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you may you may do few things for the loved one. I mean,
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there are people who shower their husbands or wives or children with lots of gifts
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and write poems for them and write songs for them. I mean, there's
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you know, we all know those people who just are these sort of effusive
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beings of constant giving. Every five minutes they're saying, oh my God,
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I love you so much. And then we all know those people who love
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just as deeply, but maybe you've never actually heard them say I love you.
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They love just as deeply, but maybe they maybe they don't show up
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every day with a gift, or even every year with a gift but you
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know it, you feel it, and it's just as good when you really
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know someone deeply loves you. That's what matters. And God is the same,
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God is even more. I mean, as a human we may still
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think, well though, if you could bring a gift every once in a
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while, that would be nice. But with God, all God wants that
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we should love. So you chant sometimes a chant all the time. Okay,
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you do poojah. Sometimes you do poojah a little, you do poojah
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a lot, all right, either way, the main thing is that you
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love God. And if you don't love God, then all the pooja and
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all the chanting it's wonderful as vehicles as paths to help you start to love
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God. But they're not a substitute for loving God. They are ways of
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catalyzing love of God in your hearts. We read scriptures, we chant God's
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name, we tell beautiful stories, not as substitutes for loving God, but
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as ways to trigger us to start to love God. And when you do,
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you know Poojaswamiji always says, when you love someone, you don't actually
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have to take amala and go racer racer, racer ka. You know you
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love Raca, you don't need to be doing her jubmala. And so with
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God, the point is to really love God, you do a little pooja
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or a lot of pouja. I don't actually think God matters minds that much
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either way. I don't necessarily think either of them determines moksha. And the
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reason is that we've got sages and saints and mystics and enlightened beings of all
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different religions in the world, including some that don't do puja. And so
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if pooja were a prerequisite for attaining enlightenment, that would be like saying that
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all of the prophets and seers of different religions actually hadn't attained enlightenment, which
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I don't believe. So moksha is the goal, the goal of your soul
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here in the body, ultimately returning to its oneness. What you choose to
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do in this lifetime to have that experience, to attain gyon wisdom that leads
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to the smoke shaw, that's up to you. But spirituality is not something
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that you want to be looking at. Kind of what's the bare minimum I
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need to do to skim by? You'll just come back next lifetime and do
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the rest, but also realize that it's not like a full time job with
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a really long to do list that you have to stop everything else you're doing
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in order to get through all of these I've got to do this much chanting,
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this much prayer, this much pujah, this much. Just love God
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deeply fully, and if you don't have that deep buck thee yet engage in
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a path of gan, attain wisdom, read scriptures, discover the reason you're
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here, the truth of you, and slowly, slowly, gon will blossom.
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Buck the will blossom. And through it all, recognize that every single
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moment, through your actions, through your karma, you actually have the opportunity
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to reach Mosha. How to allow every action to be won that is in
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service of my awakening, every action that is in service of loving God,
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of serving God, every action in service of truth, in alignment with truth.
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So we've got all these different ways of how to live, but don't
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go looking for the shortest possible way. You've been given a very powerful gift
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in this human birth. Don't waste it, but don't take it like a
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big stressful bird neither. It's a joy. It's a joy like wisdom,
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is a joy like love is a joy like awakened action is joy. Take
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it like that and then that moksha comes even while we're living what we call
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jeevamukti, because it's not freedom from the body, it's freedom in the body.
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And again, doesn't happen this life, no problem. You'll get to
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to inspiration and Transformation. I'm so glad to have you all back here with
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me. I'm going through some things in my personal life and it's taking everything
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I have to stay grounded and centered. When people ask me if I'm okay,
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I lie and I say everything is fine. I don't like to lie,
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but I don't want to talk about what's really going on. How can
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I stay honest in the midst of all that's happening. When Biguan Krishna speaks
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about the right speech tupas of speech, dharmic speech, yogic speech, right
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speech, he says it must be three things kind, true, and beneficial.
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Those are the criteria. Now, if you're going through something personal when
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somebody asks you about it. Now, on the one hand, to give
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them the full story would be true, but it's neither kind to yourself,
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nor is it beneficial to either you or them unless, unless, there's someone
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you want to confide in, And of course I would always recommend having at
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least one person you can confiding, one person at least with whom you can
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be totally open and honest. But there's no reason to put your inner struggles
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on display for everyone who just asks, hey, how are you? In
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many cases people people aren't ready for it, they don't necessarily actually want all
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of it. We ask how our are you? Almost habitually. In fact,
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there's a great story of an enlightened master who somebody says to him,
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how are you? And he says, you asked me that this morning,
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And the person who asked him said, well, well, yes, but
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now it's evening. And he said, and why do you believe that I
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would change how I am from morning to evening? Like why would my experience
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of the self change from morning to evening? And I love that because we
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all have this habit of pretty much every time you see someone, maybe we
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see someone ten fifteen times a day, Hey how are you? Is how
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most of us are goes up and down constantly. So you ask me once
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and I say, oh, I'm great. An hour later you ask me
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and I say, oh my god, this happened. An hour later,
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you ask me, and again, I'm great or I'm something else. The
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whole nature of how most of us are is so dependent on what's happening around
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us. That's why in meditation you'll notice I kept saying in different ways,
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unhook that attention from the outer world, bring it in. Well, that's
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it's not only something that's necessary for us to meditate, but it's also a
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beautiful skill to learn for life. It doesn't mean we don't pay attention.
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It doesn't mean I don't notice the table in front of me and therefore trip
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over it and fall. It doesn't mean that I don't have the ability to
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perceive what's happening. Of course we do. But it means that who I
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am, how I experience myself, how I am, isn't hooked into these
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things. It's raining, so I'm miserable. The rain stops, the sun
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comes out, I'm great. Then it starts raining again. I'm miserable.
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People are nice to me, I'm happy. They're not nice to me,
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I'm miserable. If we can unhook that deep awareness, attention, focus,
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consciousness a bunch of different words with slightly different meanings, but for this purpose.
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It's all about where we are directing our ability to pay attention, where
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we are directing our minds. Is it within ourself or is it on everything
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happening around us? And on that basis we determine how we are. So
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as far as the person who's asked this question, you should also recognize that
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the majority of people who ask how you are actually are not even really looking
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for the full story. A lot of times, if someone says how are
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you, and you actually do give them the full thing, well, you
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know, my god, I'm really struggling, and you can just start to
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see them sort of figure out how they're going to escape from the conversation,
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Like really, all they wanted was a one word I'm fine, I'm good,
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I'm great. How are you? It's a social nicety. It's a
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rare person who actually asks how are you wanting a deeply honest answer. So
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you shouldn't feel badly not giving people something that most of them aren't looking for
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anyway. That certainly isn't kind to you or beneficial to you to bury your
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heart to someone who may or may not be trustworthy. They may or may
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not be someone who really can contain hold what you're sharing, so there's no
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need to give it. To say you're fine is not a lie, because
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even though you are going through some things, you still are fine. Fine
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doesn't mean every single thing in my life is going exactly the way that if
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I had a magic wand they would make it. Fine doesn't mean I have
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managed to completely overcome anger in my life. I've managed to completely overcome restlessness
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or frustration or boredom or jealousy or anguished. If that were the definition of
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fine, none of us would be able to say we were fine. We're
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still human. Fine Fine means who I am in this moment and in every
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moment is okay. When I was growing up, I don't know how many
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of you are from America and around my age range, but when I was
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growing up, there was a book that I had, all of my friends
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had, everybody had that was called You Are Okay or something like that.
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The theme was you are Okay, and the book was basically it was for
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young readers, and the book was I'm okay, and You're okay, and
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we're all okay, and it was all about whatever happens in the world,
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we are okay, and you know, it was a book for four year
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olds, five year olds, six year olds. But it was such a
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beautiful lesson. I'm okay. Yes, my brother stole my thing, or
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my sister did this, or my mom that, or my dad this,
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or my teacher that, but I'm okay. So saying I'm fine or I'm
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okay, instead of thinking of it as a lie, think of it as
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an assertion of truth that is actually deeper than what you're struggling with. Your
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okayness runs much deeper than your struggles, and so you're actually affirming to the
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other person and to yourself at that moment, your actual okayness. So do
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not feel badly, but just as you're saying it, see if instead of
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your mind thinking this is a lie because I'm actually sad, ad or confused
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or angry, troubled, frustrated. Instead of the mind thinking that that's a
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lie and thinking that your frustration or your jealousy or your anger supersedes your okayness,
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allow saying to others I'm okay to actually be an opportunity for you to
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remember deeply that you are okay, that you are fine, that you're going
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to make it through this. We all go through things, We all go
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through times, and this too shall pass. There will be a time when
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you will look on this in the past tense. So it's a time to
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do the work to go through it, to create spaciousness for But don't think
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that your okayness is a lied Isn't you are okay whatever you're going through.
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can I live ingratitude? I'm grateful for a lot of stuff, but I'm
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not at the point that I can say I'm grateful for the air I breathe,
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or for a baby's laughter, or for a sunrise. I find myself
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only grateful for the big stuff, like my house and my car. So
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gratitude practice is to me one of the most powerful easy ways of connecting with
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the divine, with ourselves, with joy, with peace, with love,
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and so I'm always a very big advocate for gratitude practices. The big things
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are easy. Having a vehicle great, if you didn't have one, you'd
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have to walk. Having a house absolutely, what a beautiful thing to be
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grateful for. I mean, there's so many people who don't have hounds.
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It's easy to be grateful for our loved ones people in our lives. We
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love to be grateful for our opportunities, but ultimately the goal is to be
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grateful for as much as we can, because it's hard to sustain gratitude for
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one thing all day long. Like, yeah, I'm really happy to have
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a house, but that may not be able to sustain my gratitude all day
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long. And that's why it's really good to have a variety, to have
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the ability to be spontaneously grateful, because to simply carry your gratitude for your
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house all day long, it's going to start to feel very repetitive and it's
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probably going to lose some of that depth. A really beautiful way to practice
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gratitude is wherever you are, every minute, can you be grateful of something
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right there? The air that we breathe is a huge one, and if
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you can't be grateful for it, just ask a friend to hold your head
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underwater for just long enough until you think you're about to pass out, and
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then let you up and see whether you don't develop some gratitude for having air
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to breathe. There's actually a great story about that of a a seeker in
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a a monastery and ostrom a retreat center, and he he goes to the
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Master and he says, I want God, but I'm not I'm not really
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experiencing it. You know, when we meditate, my mind wanders. I
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know that I should be connecting to God, but every time I close my
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eyes, mind wanders, and it's not happening. I'm not connecting with God.
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And the Master takes him down to the river and literally holds his head
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underwater, and first the guy thinks it some kind of ritual, and then
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he starts to think, my Guru is trying to kill me, because literally
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he's not letting his head up. And just before the guy passes out,
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the Master pulls his head up and the Master says to him, so what
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were you thinking about down there? And the guy says, thinking about I
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was dying to breathe, and the Master says, did your mind wander?
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The guy's like mind wander? Of course not, I thought I was going
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to die, and the Master said, when you want God as much as
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you wanted a breath, your mind will stop wandering. So I love that
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story for so many reasons. But going back to gratitude, whatever you're having
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difficulty feeling grateful for, you just deprive yourself of it. Not able to
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generate the appropriate gratitude for the meal in front of you, fast for twenty
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four hours. See how grateful you are when you break your fast, not
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feeling so grateful for the air, hold your breath underwater, not feeling grateful
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for the water that comes out of our taps. I mean, that's a
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huge one. So many people in this world don't have access to water at
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all. I mean here in the Himalayas, just drive up a little ways
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and you'll see on the road women walking for hours to get a bucketful of
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water from the nearby handpap. There's cities in India. We're the only way
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people get water is a tanker comes into town once a day, once every
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two days, once every three days, and they fill up buckets. So
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one of the ways of generating gratitude, if it does not come easily,
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it's just deprive yourself of that. If you're not able to generate gratitude,
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deep gratitude for your loved ones, just take a moment and imagine what your
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life would be like without them. Imagine that you got a phone call that
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they've been in an accident and we're about to pass away. Don't hold that
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too long, it'll turn into depression and misery. But just for that moment,
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and then when you come out and you realize, oh my god,
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they're still alive and they're hell and there was no accident. It's an automatic
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gratitude producer. And in terms of a sunrise or a baby's smile, to
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me, these are just beautiful examples of divine creation. And so when you
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love God, you're able to love all of these elements of the creation.
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It's like if you've got a child, a young child, and that young
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child gives you a piece of paper that they've scribbled all over and it's illegible.
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I mean, it's nothing, it's a two year old scribbles. But
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if you love that kid, you're going to take that piece of paper of
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scribbles and you're going to stick it up on the fridge and you're gonna take
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a picture and post it on social media for all your friends to see,
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because you of the creator of that paper of scribbles. And in the same
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way, if we love God and are grateful for God's presence in our life,
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then we start to see everything a flower, a tree, a sunrise,
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a sunset, stars in the sky, the smile of a baby as
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we stand in line at a checkout counter. And it's a baby and a
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stroller in front of us or behind us, or a baby in someone else's
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arms. But it just immediately reconnects us to that gratitude to the divine whatever
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name you use, it doesn't matter whatever your spiritual path, maybe it doesn't
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matter, but that that divine creator. So work on being grateful to the
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creator, and then you'll find it's a lot easier to be grateful for the
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creation. But gratitude is it's an incredible practice and it's something that I would
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really recommend everyone start and end their days with. It doesn't need to take
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more than just a couple of minutes, just lying in bed when you wake
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up in the morning, think of five things you're grateful for. Did your
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eyes open, Well, that's something to be grateful for. Think of how
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many people's eyes didn't open that morning, Or how many people's eyes open but
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they can't see out of them. Do you have legs that can carry you
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to the bathroom? What a beautiful thing to be grateful for? How many
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don't. We've seen over the last few days here are beautiful young women with
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prosthetic limbs, girls who lost their limbs and now are dancing on prosthetics.
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Such joy, such gratitude, such vibrancy. But they had to overcome a
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lot. So many of us are not able to dance on the actual limbs
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that we've got, healthy, strong limbs, because we're not quite grateful enough
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for them. So just think, go basic. You don't have to think
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of you know, some really esoteric thing to be grateful for. Is there
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a blanket over you? Does your roof not leak? Right? I mean,
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so much to be grateful for, just as you lie in bed in
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the morning and then again at the end of the day. Did someone smile
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at you? Did someone do anything for you? Hold open a door,
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hand you a glass of water, do anything for you? Did you do
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anything for someone? Were you able? Were you able and blessed to be
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able to serve in some way? A big way? A small way,
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a noticed way, an unnoticed way, an appreciated way, an unappreciated way
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doesn't matter. But were you able to serve? So many things to be
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grateful for? So just expand your creativity and you'll find them. If you
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can't generate gratitude for a sunrise, yet, no problem, there's so many
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other things to generate it for. You already said you're grateful for your car,
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Well, are you grateful to have enough money to put gas in it?
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You're grateful for your house already? Will you grateful for the people you
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share that house with? Are you grateful for the food and the fridge of
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that house, for the water running through the pipes of that house? For
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your ability to open your house's door to others, to friends, to loved
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ones, to people in need. So just start with wherever you are and
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five seven six two two PETA Welcome back. This is Sadvi Bagavati Saraswati with
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inspiration and transformation. I want to be a saddu and let go of everything
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that I have. Now I'm also twenty eight and a girl and still menstruating,
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but I want to join an Ashra. I've really lost interest in the
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material world and I'm tired of chasing things that are not permanent. It's not
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giving me peace. Signed a Shiva devotee. So your your intention is beautiful,
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that longing, that urge to to anchor yourself in something that is lasting,
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that is real. You know, when I first came to India at
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twenty five and realize this is where I belonged. That was twenty six years
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ago now, But in the first several years, when I would talk to
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people, I would always say that I felt like I had been born in
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America by accident, that somehow it was some kind of accident and I really
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should have been born in India, and you know that, or maybe I
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had done something wrong in a past birth and that's why God sort of sent
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me off to be confused for the first few decades of my life and this
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one and I had all of these ideas that somehow having been born in India
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would have been better. But I realized as the years went by, actually
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how incredibly perfect it was that I had been born in America, because if
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I had grown up as a young sheltered girl in India, I mean,
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I come from a beautiful family, an amazing family, of a lot of
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privilege, a lot of opportunity, a lot of caring and sheltering in many
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ways. And if that had been an Indian family rather than an American family,
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I would by the age of twenty five, I would have seen very
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little. I would have experienced very little. Now things are changing, but
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remember I've been here more than a quarter of a century. I started growing
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up fifty one years ago, so I would have been raised in a very
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different way. I would have been sheltered in a very different way. And
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even if I had had these very powerful experiences here, there might have been
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a part of me that always wondered, well, I wonder what that's like,
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or I wonder what that's like, or what if I hadn't taken vows
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of monasticism, and what if I had, you know, engaged in sensual
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pleasures and relationship and this and that and there? There probably would have been
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in my mind always some kind of question if I wonder what that's like.
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I wonder what that's about. Maybe I made maybe I made a wrong decision,
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and I realized how incredibly perfect it was that I actually had grown up
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in America where and in la where, by the age of twenty five,
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I had seen so much, I had done so much, I had experienced
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so much that when I decided to take rows of renunciation, I knew that
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I never was going to wonder, God, I wonder what that's like or
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this is like, because I had actually experienced all of those things. And
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when we experience what we call the world of some sada, that that never
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ending cycle of you know, illusion and yearning and desiring and aversion and grabbing,
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and when we when we live in that, we find ourselves chasing after
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what we think is going to bring happiness, but of course it never does.
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And when you've when you've actually experienced that, and you've experienced it from
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a place of having things from succeeding, very quickly, if you're plugged in,
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if you're tuned in internally, you realize very quickly, this is not
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actually what life really is about. This actually is not giving me that joy,
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that piece, that meaning, that that sense of fulfillment that I'm looking
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for it, and so as the beautiful questioner who's only twenty eight but growing
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up in a new India, or maybe she's not in India, maybe she's
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a Shiva devotee somewhere else, but she's, as we say, seen it,
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done it, been there, and when we have it's it's very beautiful
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to realize. Okay, I don't want to waste any more time. I
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don't want to waste any more energy running after things that are not what's going
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to give me the real peace, the real meaning, the real joy.
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So to a Shiva dvoti, it's beautiful that you think like that. Ashrams
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are wonderful places. They are of course challenges as well. You know,
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sometimes people say, well, I'm tired of the challenges of the world.
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I want to come join an ashram, and I always say, well,
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you're just going to exchange one set of challenges for an entirely different set of
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challenges. An ashram is not a place that's devoid of challenges, because challenges
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are in our mind. It's not the outer world that actually creates challenges.
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And wherever you bring yourself there, you are so as long as you've got
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tendencies toward anger, tendencies toward jealousy, tendencies toward grabbing or aversion or either,
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or judgment or competition or lust or greed or all of the different I
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don't like the word vices. It sort of implies that we, you know,
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deserve to be locked up somewhere. They're just they're tendencies of the mind,
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and there are tendencies that take us in a direction that we don't want
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to go in. So if you've got those tendencies of mind wherever you are,
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whether it's in a big city, whether it's lying on a Caribbean beach,
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or whether it's in an usher, if your mind is there, you're
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going to still struggle with There's always going to be opportunities to feel angry,
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to want to grab, to want to push away, to compete, to
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judge, to have the ego play its games. So the astrum is is
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a different kind of crucible in which you get You get burned literally in a
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whole different way. But in that burning, you get purified. It's like
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when a potter makes ceramics on a wheel and then they stick it in the
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kiln, and in that kiln it gets fired and finished. So by all
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means, you are welcome in ashrums, and I would hope that most astrums
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would welcome women, even young women. There's certainly no rule that says thou
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shalt not join an ashram until you know you've gone through menopause. At this
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time of your life, though, there are going to be challenges. I
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mean there's challenges at any time. But there's gonna be challenges with family.
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We know that, there's going to be challenges with society. You know that.
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But if you're really sure, I would suggest going to an ashram,
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spending two weeks a month, six weeks two months before you really decide that
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this is what you want to do, because an ashram is not a place
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to run away too, it's a place to run toward. You don't want
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to join in ostrom because you're fed up with the world. There's two ways
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to go anywhere either because you're pushing away the alternative, and therefore you end
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up over here. So I'm pushing against the east, therefore I end up
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in the west. I keep pushing and pushing and pushing. You know,
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if you push away Rishikesh in a southernly direction, you're gonna end up in
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Delhi, not because you necessarily were thinking for Delhi. You were just pushing
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away, hike, but another way to go as instead of pushing away,
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you turn around and you move consciously, actively forward. And the way to
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join an oshrom is consciously actively forward. Not I'm pushing away being fed up
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with the world, or I'm pushing away responsibilities and troubles, because you'll just
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create more troubles for yourself for others. You should only join an ashram if
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you are really actively wanting to move toward a life that's dedicated to personal practice,
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a life that's dedicated to truth, to awareness, to working through your
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mental tendencies so that you can actually be a clearer pure not in the sense
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of the soul, but in the sense of the vehicle instrument in the hands
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of the divine. And if that's what's pulling you, then by all means
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come and don't let the fact that you're a girl or menstruating or twenty eight
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stop you. You know, I I find myself going to a lot of
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events that I wouldn't ordinarily necessarily go to your type of events, where there's
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lots and lots and lots of religious leaders on a stage with one theme,
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and everybody gets to speak for you know, two minutes or three minutes,
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and I find myself going to those that I wouldn't necessarily ordinarily go, but
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I go because I know I'm going to be the only woman on the stage
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and that if I don't go, there won't be a woman on the stage.
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And I go so that if a young woman like this, or any
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woman or any girl is watching this event in person or online and she thinks
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that spirituality isn't for her because she's a girl, that she would see me
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and say, oh, I guess it can be for me too. I
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guess there is a place for me to So do not feel that as a
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as a woman, as a fertile woman, that you are disqualified from spiritual
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practice or from grace. Yeah, there's certain mariadas that we follow during that
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time of the month, but they're just they're little things that we do and
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that we don't same way that in so many other situations in life. There's
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things we do and things we don't, but they're little and they're easily easily
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adapted to. As a twenty five year old coming in from America. It
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was easy for me to adapt, so it would be easy for anyone to
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And if this is what you want, then come. This brings to a
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close this hour of inspiration and transformation. Thank you so much for joining me.
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I'm so glad to be together with you all each week, and I
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look forward to being together again next Thursday, same time on Home Time's Radio.
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