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Gorgeous young female doctor-mom bludgeoned DEAD, still in heels. PART 1 · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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  Speaker 1: Clime Stories with Nancy Grace. Am I, well, one, when
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  Speaker 1: is your emergency? Uh, I'm a friend's house. He's out
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  Speaker 1: of town and I came here to checking's flight and
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  Speaker 1: she's done on the floor the addresses okay, the line, yeah, yes, okay,
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  Speaker 1: doing very well. Good job. Just a moment. We're going
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  Speaker 1: to connect you. They're going to ask for a less empire.
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  Speaker 1: What is he addressed? The emergency? Two one zero three
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  Speaker 1: four Jarvis Jarvis Road? Okay? And is that a house
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  Speaker 1: for an apartment? So? I mean, exactly what happened my friend? Uh?
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  Speaker 1: Three receivers. She's a doctor. I'm a doctor. She came
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  Speaker 1: home last night. Her husband is in Connecticut and she
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  Speaker 1: was up school at nine o'clock he called me. Then
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  Speaker 1: I was on my way in the worksplace one boy,
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  Speaker 1: and she's on the first and the hammer at the side,
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  Speaker 1: and she's asking back of the head. The mystery surrounding
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  Speaker 1: a beautiful young doctor, there's no doubt about it. Doctor
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  Speaker 1: Teresa Sievers was murdered in her own home in an
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  Speaker 1: upscale Florida subdivision. And always we look at the husband,
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  Speaker 1: the boyfriend, the lover first. That doesn't work in this case.
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  Speaker 1: The husband is out of town with their daughters. You know,
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  Speaker 1: sometimes you come upon a dead body, Well I do, anyway.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know if everybody else comes upon dead bodies,
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  Speaker 1: but I do. You can look at a dead body
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  Speaker 1: and very often you know this was not by natural causes.
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  Speaker 1: I Nancy Grace, this is crime Stories. Thank you for
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  Speaker 1: being with us. You're hearing a co worker, another doctor,
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  Speaker 1: doctor Mark Petri, and he's describing how he came by
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  Speaker 1: to check on Teresa Severs. She's dead and the floor.
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  Speaker 1: What an all star panel to break it down and
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  Speaker 1: put it back together for us today. Renown New York
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  Speaker 1: defense attorney Jason Oceans who practices law in every courtroom
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  Speaker 1: in the Tristate area of New York, New Jersey and beyond.
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  Speaker 1: Jeff Cortesi, former FBI special agent, the director of the
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  Speaker 1: Cold Case Research Institute. Cheryl McCollum, crime scene expert. I'm
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  Speaker 1: sure doctor Tim Gallagher, the medical examiner for the State
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  Speaker 1: of Florida, is going to argue with me about you
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  Speaker 1: can look at a body until it's not natural. Well,
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  Speaker 1: you know, Gallagher, when you got a claw foot hammer
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  Speaker 1: stuck in your head, I'm pretty sure that's not suicide.
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  Speaker 1: Accident or natural cause. Doctor Bethany Marshall with me and boy,
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  Speaker 1: she's got her hands full out on rodeo drive. But
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  Speaker 1: first to reporter wi n K TV Fort Myers, Florida,
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  Speaker 1: joining us right now, Amanda Hall, Amanda Hall, thank you
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  Speaker 1: for being with us, but not to point the finger
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  Speaker 1: at doctor Mark Petrites. But he didn't sound too excited,
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  Speaker 1: did he. I don't like it when somebody finds a
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  Speaker 1: dead body. They're not upset, you know, he didn't. You
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  Speaker 1: can hear on the call that he goes outside and
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  Speaker 1: he says, well, I don't know who's in there, who's
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  Speaker 1: still inside the house. But he says it so calmly
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  Speaker 1: that you know, it doesn't sound like he thinks that
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  Speaker 1: there's some mabiac who's still in there. You know. He says,
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  Speaker 1: she's out cold and there's blood all around. He's certain
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  Speaker 1: that she's dead, you know, Doctor Tim Gallagher, the medical
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  Speaker 1: examiner for the State of Florida. There's just something about it.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I know you have got a medically trained eye,
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  Speaker 1: but very often even a light person, they say, well
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  Speaker 1: did you try to do CPR? No, they were dead.
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  Speaker 1: You look at a body very often and you know instinct.
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  Speaker 1: You know what, I'm going to go to a late
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  Speaker 1: person because I know you're gonna throw some medical jargon
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  Speaker 1: on me. Cheryl mccollin, director of the Cold Case Research Institute.
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  Speaker 1: You and I have seen a lot of dead bodies,
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  Speaker 1: and I don't mean in the funeral home. You know,
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  Speaker 1: you know instinctively when the body is dead, you know immediately,
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  Speaker 1: there's no question in your mind. You don't have to
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  Speaker 1: be trained. So even though this person was a doctor,
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  Speaker 1: when he saw the scene disgruesome, of course he knew imediately. Now,
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  Speaker 1: doctor Tim Gallagher, go ahead and hit me with some
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  Speaker 1: medical jargon. Please don't go into work four. I assume
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  Speaker 1: you're a Star Trek fan. But what happened to her?
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  Speaker 1: What is the cause of death? I'm talking about a
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  Speaker 1: claw foot hammer, But what was her true cause of death?
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  Speaker 1: Doctor Gallagher? Well, you know, the scene looked pretty bloody,
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  Speaker 1: and you know when she was struck in the back
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  Speaker 1: of the head with the hammer, I would have imagine
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  Speaker 1: she received some skull fractures. And when the brain is
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  Speaker 1: disabled because of the skull fracture, that does not stop
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  Speaker 1: the heart from pumping. The heart can pump without a
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  Speaker 1: signal from the brain. So while her head has these fractures,
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  Speaker 1: wait a minute, your heart can continue to pump if
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  Speaker 1: your brain is not functioning. Absolutely. That's why you find
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  Speaker 1: a lot of people who are clinically dead via their
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  Speaker 1: brain scan, but their heart is still beating. That's why
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  Speaker 1: they have to disconnect these support mechanisms to people who
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  Speaker 1: are brain dead because they're hard to still beating. Well,
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  Speaker 1: I hope everybody's had their morning coffee before they tune in.
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  Speaker 1: But I mean, I find this fascinating. But yes, I
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  Speaker 1: get the analogy. I was thinking that the brain had
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  Speaker 1: to tell the heart to pump. But your analogy with
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  Speaker 1: someone who is, for instance, in a coma and they
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  Speaker 1: are in fact brain day, I guess you to lack
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  Speaker 1: of oxygen, their brain is no longer functioning, their heart
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  Speaker 1: does continue. You're right, doctor Gallagher. So when you get
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  Speaker 1: a blow to the back of the head, I mean,
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  Speaker 1: like Sheryl and I, we know you die, but what
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  Speaker 1: does that do to your brain? Why do you die
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  Speaker 1: from a blow to the head. What medically happens, Well,
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  Speaker 1: you actually die of excessive blood loss. Normally, scenes that
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  Speaker 1: you go to where there is a head injury is
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  Speaker 1: an extremely bloody scene, an overly bloody scene. It's because
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  Speaker 1: the skin is ripped, the skull is fractured, blood vessels
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  Speaker 1: are broken, but the heart is still pumping, pumping, pumping
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  Speaker 1: that blood onto the floor, onto the bed, onto the
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  Speaker 1: surrounding areas. And it'll continue to do that for thirty seconds,
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  Speaker 1: maybe up to ninety seconds, until the body is out
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  Speaker 1: of blood. And that's actually how you die from these injuries.
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  Speaker 1: Take a listener. Our friends at ABC News in Florida,
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  Speaker 1: a prominent doctor who appeared on local television found dead
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  Speaker 1: in her home after feeling to show up at her office.
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  Speaker 1: ABC's Rena Ninan is here with more on the story.
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  Speaker 1: Good morning, Rena, Hey Amy, Good morning. This murder mystery
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  Speaker 1: has rocked this South Florida community and right now law
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  Speaker 1: enforcement asking everyone to do one particular thing. Lock your doors.
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  Speaker 1: This morning. Police and Banita Springs, Florida searching for clues
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  Speaker 1: after doctor Teresa Severs, a local doctor and mother of two,
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  Speaker 1: was found dead in her home. Please don't tell me
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  Speaker 1: it's that house. Please don't tell me it's that house.
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  Speaker 1: Shit it is. After a family vacation last week, Severs
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  Speaker 1: returned to Florida alone, calling her husband to let him
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  Speaker 1: know she'd arrived safely. When she didn't show up for
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  Speaker 1: work Monday morning, worried colleagues called police, who discovered her body.
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  Speaker 1: You were hearing our friends at ABC News. That was
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  Speaker 1: Rina Ninan talking about the discovery of Teresa severs body
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  Speaker 1: doctor Receiver's body. Jason Notions, York defense attorney, Jason, I
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  Speaker 1: know we like to point the finger immediately the husband.
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  Speaker 1: But the husband is I think it was Connecticut. He
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  Speaker 1: was on a family vacation and Teresa had been with
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  Speaker 1: him and their two little daughters, and she came home
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  Speaker 1: that Sunday night to see patients the following Monday morning.
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  Speaker 1: But why is it, let's just be blunt, Jason Oceans.
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  Speaker 1: Why is it we always look at the husband, the boyfriend,
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  Speaker 1: the lover, or the ex first of two reasons. One
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  Speaker 1: because the closest relationships either good or bad, or from
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  Speaker 1: that intimate circle. And of course, statistically, if you look
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  Speaker 1: through just being biased for the moment that it's that
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  Speaker 1: immediate circle. Most murders are crimes of passions in some way.
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  Speaker 1: The victim most of the time I think it's you know,
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  Speaker 1: seventy percent of the time knows the murderer as it
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  Speaker 1: turns out after you know the case so well. Hey Jason, yeah, Jason,
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  Speaker 1: did you hear what ABC said? That was Ring and
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  Speaker 1: nine and talking. She brought out the fact Teresa Severs
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  Speaker 1: often appeared on TV and she was especially into women's wellness.
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  Speaker 1: She was a tiny little thing. She would wear spike heels.
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  Speaker 1: In fact, I've looked at the surveillance video a number
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  Speaker 1: of times of her coming through the airport. She's got
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  Speaker 1: on high heels and interesting, she was still wearing the
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  Speaker 1: same outfit she was wearing when she left the airport
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  Speaker 1: that night, which tells me when this occurred right after
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  Speaker 1: she got in from the airport. But she's on TV
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  Speaker 1: a lot, Jason, Oceans, You've appeared on TV many many
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  Speaker 1: times well with me. As a matter of fact, people
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  Speaker 1: out there see you and either love you or hate you,
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  Speaker 1: and some of them are nuts. In my mind, that
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  Speaker 1: opens up a whole avenue of potential suspects. Oh, it
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  Speaker 1: certainly does. I mean you know that casts a wider
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  Speaker 1: net for sure, and you don't want to be too
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  Speaker 1: quick to make judgment. But again, statistically looking at everything
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  Speaker 1: from FBI crime statistics, stayed everything that that focus is,
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  Speaker 1: you know, in and then works its way up crime
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  Speaker 1: stories with Nancy Grace. My friend Ris Savers. She's a doctor.
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  Speaker 1: I'm a doctor. She came home last night. Her husband
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  Speaker 1: is in Connecticut and she was in school. At nine
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  Speaker 1: o'clock she called me and I was on my way
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  Speaker 1: in the works last one by and she was on
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  Speaker 1: the Josas Savers, a young and beautiful mom found dead
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  Speaker 1: and her Benita Springs home after her staff at her
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  Speaker 1: office get very concerned. She didn't show up because she
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  Speaker 1: had scheduled appointments. She had been in Connecticut with her
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  Speaker 1: husband Mark and their children and sister and Elisa just
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  Speaker 1: before her death. She flew home alone Sunday night. She
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  Speaker 1: called her husband, told him she got there safely. The
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  Speaker 1: next thing you know, she's dead. Take a listen to
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  Speaker 1: this nine one one call her profits for you on
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  Speaker 1: the way. Listen. Okay, all right, And so you said
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  Speaker 1: you're a doctor, Yes I am. Okay, Are you with
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  Speaker 1: her now? I'm outside of the house because I don't
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  Speaker 1: know if there's anybody in the house. Okay, all right,
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  Speaker 1: for Hilda, she's all right, sir. And is she away? No,
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  Speaker 1: she's got a little more. In fact, we're going to
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  Speaker 1: dash and there's a lot everywhere. Okay, all right, so
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  Speaker 1: I do have paramedics, the fire department, also law enforcement
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  Speaker 1: is on the line where us. Okay, they're gonna be
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  Speaker 1: going me out. Okay, Okay, I don't want you to
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  Speaker 1: stand the line one moment. Sure, I'm gonna I'm gonna
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  Speaker 1: sire telling you here because you know, I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: I think there's still in help. Okay, was right? All right?
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  Speaker 1: The line take a show. Office has questions and there's
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  Speaker 1: going to continue on what to do next. Okay, sure,
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  Speaker 1: are you inside the residence? Then no, I'm not. I'm
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  Speaker 1: standing in the driveway. Okay. And then when you walked
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  Speaker 1: inside the house, she said the blood was dryer. What
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  Speaker 1: did you say that? Half the blood? DR's that cold? Wow,
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  Speaker 1: you're hearing more than nine one call. And that's a
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  Speaker 1: coworker another doctor that finds doctor Severs dead in her
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  Speaker 1: kitchen floor. Cheryl McCollum, Director Cold Case Research Institute. Half
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  Speaker 1: the blood dry, half the blood wet. Analyze the I
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  Speaker 1: think there's so much blood that comes from an injury
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  Speaker 1: from the head. What he's probably seen is, you know,
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  Speaker 1: the liquid from surrounding the you know, the brain itself
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  Speaker 1: mixed with the blood, so it may appear shiny and wet.
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  Speaker 1: But this has been hours that she's been laying there.
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  Speaker 1: Doctor Bethany Marshall, renowned in her field as a psychoanalyst.
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  Speaker 1: Doctor Bethany, why is it? And I've asked myself this
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  Speaker 1: a million times. I know it's rhetorical. I'm not going
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  Speaker 1: to really get an answer, but why is it? The great,
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  Speaker 1: goodhearted people are the ones that seem to die young,
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  Speaker 1: that are murdered, that go off to war. You know
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  Speaker 1: that old phrase, the good die young. That's the case here.
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  Speaker 1: Teresa Sivers was so into her community, so into women's wellness.
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  Speaker 1: She would go speak at events, She would have special
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  Speaker 1: clinics to help her clients, offer free to try and
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  Speaker 1: help her community. Very doting mom. I mean, she did
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  Speaker 1: it all, doctor Bethany. Why her and not some scuzz
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  Speaker 1: book at dope deal? There actually is some very compelling
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  Speaker 1: conserve for mean Bethany, Bethany. Bethany. Charles Manson basically dies
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  Speaker 1: of old age in jail while I'm paying for his
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  Speaker 1: for his love letters and his internet access in his
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  Speaker 1: three hots and a cot. Why why him and not her? Wealth?
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  Speaker 1: There some very compelling research that came out a few
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  Speaker 1: years ago that in marriages where the woman is more successful,
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  Speaker 1: makes more money, or is more educated, the husband is
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  Speaker 1: like three or four times more likely to either have
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  Speaker 1: an affair or to kill his wife. Now I'm not
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  Speaker 1: saying I know who killed her. Wait a minute, right there,
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  Speaker 1: right there, doctor Bethany say, you know, my husband is
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  Speaker 1: very quiet spoken typically, but he's a business brainiac. This
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  Speaker 1: is the way I avoid any of that. I work
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  Speaker 1: him like a dog. You know, I'm in there cleaning
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  Speaker 1: the guinea pigs cage at seven am. I make him
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  Speaker 1: come help me. I'm like, David, you have twins, Now,
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  Speaker 1: go play outside with the twins. I mean he is
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  Speaker 1: dragging his tails between his leg by the end of
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  Speaker 1: the day. I just work, work, work the man as
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  Speaker 1: hard as you can, and then he won't. But you know,
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  Speaker 1: the fair what unlike this husband who had a watter
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  Speaker 1: free time on his hymns. Oh wait a minute, hold on,
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  Speaker 1: I want to follow up on that. Amanda Hall w
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  Speaker 1: i e n KTV Fort Myers, Florida. Do you hear
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  Speaker 1: what she's saying? Now, let me understand something. Of course,
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  Speaker 1: she's going down a rabbit hole, right now because the
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  Speaker 1: husband's in Connecticut when the murder occurs. But what about
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  Speaker 1: the husband? What can you tell me about Mark Savers?
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  Speaker 1: Didn't she, doctor Teresa Savers, employ him? Yes, he was
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  Speaker 1: her office manager. She really ran the show, and he was,
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  Speaker 1: by all accounts, a doting husband who worshiped the ground
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  Speaker 1: that she walked on and that managed her office while
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  Speaker 1: she was the successful doctor and main breadwinner of their home.
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  Speaker 1: He's also been described as kind of mister mom, spending
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  Speaker 1: a lot more time with their two daughters. You know,
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  Speaker 1: he's the main parental figure for those two while she's off,
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  Speaker 1: you know, making the money and is really the star
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  Speaker 1: of the practice. Oh, Jeff Cortesi, former FBI special agent,
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  Speaker 1: why does the man have to be all jealous and
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  Speaker 1: brooding when the wife does well? You know, my mom
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  Speaker 1: worked full time, She made as much as my dad.
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  Speaker 1: He was happy. Yeah, Nancy. You know, I think we
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  Speaker 1: find in cases such as this that you know, sometimes
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  Speaker 1: you have varying degrees of background, different occurrences in people's
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  Speaker 1: lives that that influence the outcome of their life, you know,
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  Speaker 1: and the FBI would probably be looking closely at, you know, um,
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  Speaker 1: the parental upbringing that that maybe a subject or a
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  Speaker 1: suspect had as they grew up, and we might gain
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  Speaker 1: additional clarity into that. But you know, we're influenced by
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  Speaker 1: the by what happens around us, and that's no different
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  Speaker 1: in for those who are committing crimes and those who
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  Speaker 1: are not particular. Listen our friends ever at CBS forty
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  Speaker 1: eight hours, we talk about our physical health, mental health.
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  Speaker 1: That mission was to open a holistic practice where she
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  Speaker 1: could heal patients by blending traditional and alternative medicine. She
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  Speaker 1: also spread her message and speeches and videos. There's our
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  Speaker 1: spiritual and energetic health. We would have patients from all
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  Speaker 1: over the world. They would come to us after they
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  Speaker 1: failed everything else. Sandra Hoskins was Teresa severs longtime medical assistant.
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  Speaker 1: She wouldn't take no for an answer. Talking about the
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  Speaker 1: doctor still makes Sandra emotional, and as a patient, she
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  Speaker 1: wouldn't allow you to say, I'm never going to get better.
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  Speaker 1: You're hearing our buddy Eron Moriarty over there at CBS
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  Speaker 1: forty eight hours. She was a fixture in the community.
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  Speaker 1: Everybody loved her. Now, who was it earlier? Oh it
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  Speaker 1: was you, Amanda Hall w i E KATV fort Myers, Florida.
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  Speaker 1: You were telling me how Mark Severs worshiped his wife,
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  Speaker 1: adored her. Don't you think it's a little creepy that
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  Speaker 1: he would use his digital calendar to document their sex encounters?
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I guess I've got to go put David's,
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  Speaker 1: my husband's cell phone on Bark along with the two children.
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  Speaker 1: It pops every every time there's anything that has to
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  Speaker 1: do with sex or a curse word or bullying or
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  Speaker 1: violence or gun. What do you mean he had every
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  Speaker 1: time they had sex, he put it on their digital calendar. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: he put it on his cell phone. He took a
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  Speaker 1: you know, extensive notes, basically kept a journal of their fights,
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  Speaker 1: their arguments, and was writing things like I want intimacy,
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  Speaker 1: she won't give the intimacy, you know, talking about how
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  Speaker 1: they never have sex, and how you know, Teresa saying
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  Speaker 1: things like she doesn't think they're going to make it,
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  Speaker 1: and some of it as recently as the month leading
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  Speaker 1: up to her death, Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, doctor
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  Speaker 1: Teresa Severs was murdered in her own home and an upscale,
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  Speaker 1: Florida subdivision, And what about the husband. I don't understand it.
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  Speaker 1: Maybe I'm missing something doctor Bethany Marshall, psychoalis out of
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  Speaker 1: la He's got her paying all the bills, he's living
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  Speaker 1: in this beautiful home. He's got two gorgeous little daughters.
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  Speaker 1: What's not to like, doctor Bethany. I mean, throw me
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  Speaker 1: in that pot of honey. That sounds great, okay, Nancy.
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  Speaker 1: What I hear in this is that he is chronicling
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  Speaker 1: complaints about her. When I have men come into my
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  Speaker 1: practice and their wives are beautiful and successful and lovely,
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  Speaker 1: and they start to say, I don't have any intimacy
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  Speaker 1: and we never have sex, I start to question now,
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  Speaker 1: because when a man wants to have sex, he just
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  Speaker 1: approaches the woman and they have sex. That's really what happens.
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  Speaker 1: So all of this, we don't have who to that. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: go ahead, you know, Okay, after thirty years of clinical practice,
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  Speaker 1: I know what domestic of you sounds like. And this
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: is how it sounds. It sounds with It sounds like
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: all kinds of complaints that don't really hang together, that
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: the complaints have a strange or bizarre quality, and also
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: that the husband is chronicling the complaints. Nancy. Big picture,
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: this guy was a nurse. He had training, he had
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: medical training, and he is allowing his wife to support
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: the family while he's waltzing in and out of the practice.
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: I have colleagues in my medical building where they work
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: the tells off and their husbands are the quote unquote
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: office managers. And it's never good. It is never ever good.
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: It usually is a man who is willing to sit
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: back while the wife does all of the work and
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: he has all of the free time. What a good husband.
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: It tries to foster the wife also having some free
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: time and also having time with the kids rather than
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: just holding all the parenting responsibilities. Well, the wife does
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: all the work, you know. Cheryl McCullum, director of the
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: Cold Case Research Institute, I think Beth and he's right. Sorry,
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: guys on the panel, doctor Tim Gallagher, Jeff Cortesi, Jason Oceans,
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: I remember, Cheryl, what a oh my goodness. It was
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: the worst because a neighbor was out cutting her grass
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: and the husband was not helping. Not to top it
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: all off, it was on a Sunday, and so they
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: were immediately referred to as heathens. And of course we tried.
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: My mom tried to soften the blow by saying, well, Maley,
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: maybe they went to the early service, but anyway, they didn't.
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: Long story short, the mom is out doing all the
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: yard work and that was just a shock. And I
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: remember as a little girl thinking, oh, my stars, the
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: mommy's doing all the yardwork and the husband's not even helping.
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: I didn't even know what I was talking about. But
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: she's right. She's absolutely right, Nancy. And here's the thing.
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: My dad used to say, if you have to put man,
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: excuse me, or male in front of your job, then
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: you're doing a woman's job. So oftentimes we hear people
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: say he's a male nurse, not a nurse. So traditionally
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: he does have the job of a woman. I am
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: certain in his social group he gets a lot of
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: crap from that from guy friends. On top of that,
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: he's called a mister mom, so he doesn't feel very masculine.
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: I would imagine at work or at home he blames her. Well,
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: I've got to tell y'all something. I would just got
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: to say something in defense of my husband and my dad.
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: My dad. I was just cleaning up a cup this morning. Now,
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: see Jeff Cortesi, I bet you didn't think you were
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: going to be talking about this when you signed up
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: about cleaning a cup of grits. You're the FBI agent,
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: macho guy. This morning, I was cleaning out a cup
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: of a gret side made from my mother, who now
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: lives with us. She's certainly handful, and it reminded me
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: and I smiled because I remember my mom would make
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: us grits every morning before she went to work. She'd
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: be gone by seven, and it would all be sitting
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: out in three little bowls at the bar, and three
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: little cups of coffee that were half milk to get
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: us going. And my dad, when he would get home
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: from the night shift on the railroad, he would be tasked,
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: have you ever tried to clean grits out of a bowl?
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: It ain't easy, okay, So he would be saying, you children,
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: I can hear him right now. And my dad would
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: take me to the doctor to get allergy shots. He'd
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: take me to games because he worked at night and
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: he was not he was home a lot during the day.
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: And my husband, he jumps right in dous laundry, does
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: everything traditionally a female role would be. We both do.
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: So I'm not I hear what Cheryl and doctor Bethany
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: are saying, but you can't get around the fact that
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: the husband, regardless of his all in his weird digital
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: sex calendar, he was out of state at the time.
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: So Cortesi, this brings me to the real issue the
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: crime scene. What would you as FBI be looking at
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: like a burglar alarm? That was my first question. No. Absolutely,
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: You know, houses with alarms generally advertise the fact that
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: they have an alarmed. So you know, if I am
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: approaching this house, approaching the crime scene, that's gonna want
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: to be one of the first things that's going to
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: stand out to me is that the house has an alarm.
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: So the first question is going to be why is
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: why wasn't it on? Or was it on and it
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: didn't register? What were the issues there? Uh? You know,
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: we're gonna be looking for footprints, fingerprints, any any DNA,
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: any disturbance of the blood around the crime scene that
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: might help us identify the number of people that were present,
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: looking for forcible entry into the house, UM CCTV at
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: that house and neighboring houses. Uh, well, we're gonna We're
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: gonna start scouring the neighborhood and can missing for witnesses,
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: anything that might may have looked out of character for
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: the neighborhood, any vehicles that didn't belong. There's a lot
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: to work with, particularly in a violent scene. That it
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: makes it easier to find disturbances to that steam. And
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: you know another issue, Jeff Cortesi, I was just working
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: on the Dulos case, the Connecticut mom of five, Jennifer Dulos,
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: who goes missing. Her body is still not found, and
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: I was looking at the affidavit. It's really long. They
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: have got surveillance video from all over. They have surveillance
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: video from school buses. When the school bus would open
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: its doors, you can see, for instance, the husband driving
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: by on a path, a route that police are investigating.
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: They have told surveillance, they have red lights surveillance, they
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: have business surveillance, they have home surveillance from the neighbor
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: they asked surveillance from, and they've really pieced together a
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: very convincing route by the suspects. So you're absolutely rife.
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: Jeff Cortesi to Amanda hauld of ian KTV Fort Minors, Florida, Amanna,
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: tell me about their burglar alarm. I got our play
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: so tricked out. I mean, I can hardly open the
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: door to the bathroom without an alarm going off. So
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: Amanna tell me about their burglar alarm. I'm very curious,
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: why did it not go off? Yeah, That's one of
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: the first things that I really remember when we listened
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: to the police investigative interviews was that was the interview
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: with the husband, Mark's mother, Teresa's mother in law. She
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: was over there to let the dogs out and attend
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: to the house while they were away at this family
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: trip in Connecticut, and the morning of she was having
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: some trouble with the alarm and Mark tells her, don't
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: worry about it, it's okay, and she's, you know, crying
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: to police, saying, I feel like it's all my fault. I,
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: you know, couldn't get the alarm reset and I'm having
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: trouble with it, and oh my goodness, is it my
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: fault that someone went in there and got terset. No.
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: I'm riding a book right now, Cheryl McCollum, and one
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: of the chapters, Don't Be a Victim, one of the
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: chapters just safe at Home and in it and I've
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: learned a lot of tips I didn't know researching, but
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: one of the tips I do know. And now it's
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: second habit when I'm home, especially when I'm home with
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: the twins and my mom, my eighty eight year old mom,
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: and for instance, David's out of town, of David is
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: in town, I have that alarm on when we are home.
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: That's when I want the house protected the most, to
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: protect the twins. That's a great point, Nancy, because most
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: people turn the alarm off when they get home and
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: leave it. All That is a brilliant thing to mention
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: for your audience, and it's so elementary, so elementary. To
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: doctor Tim Gallagher joining me, the medical examiner for the
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: State of Florida. Doctor Gallagher, I've been analyzing her wounds
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: and it looks like I'm not sure about this, but
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: she had a very very severe blow to the back
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: of the head. Yet it looks as if she put
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: up a fight. If you get that kind of blow
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: to the back of the head, I mean, how did
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: this thing go down, doctor Gallagher? Well, difficult to say
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: what the force of the first strike was. I mean,
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: she may have been running from her attacker thereby when
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: he hit her. You know, she didn't get the full
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: impact of the blow and was able to fight back
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: to some extent. So that would be my first clue.
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: So I would have to see where the blood trails go.
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: If there's blood in several of the rooms rather than
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: just in one area, so that would indicate that she
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: was fleeing her attacker and not receiving the full impact
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: of the hammer. Oh no, say you explain that so clearly,
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: because I couldn't understand. You get a blow to the
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: back of the head with a hammer, it's over right then,
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: and there ain't there you fall in your tracks. But
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: yet Cheryl mccollin the crime scene suggests there was a fight.
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: I mean she put up a fight, Cheryl way in
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: on the crime scene, that's your expertise. It is so violent, Nancy.
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: Not only does it appear that she did fight, the
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: level of violence. What its fascinating to me is again
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: she was not textually faulted. It doesn't appear anything is
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: missing from the home of value. So this looks like
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: pure rage. It looked like they went to kill her.
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace it Dawn, I mean, you go,
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: holy crap, I'm being watched. And then the time have
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: walked in and he asked me point blank, did you
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: have a sexual relationship with doctor outside you office. Never
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: had a relationship with her outside of work or that
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: doctor Severs ever. Come on, he goes, did you have
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: a sexual relation with doctor inside do you office? I
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: said absolutely not. Police were suspicious because Frank had been
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: let go from his job at doctor Severs practice by
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: her husband Mark nine months before she was murdered. That's
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: Aaron Moriority over at forty eight hours digging into this
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: case as well, Amanda hall w I and KTV Fort Myers.
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: You didn't mention anything about this guy Frank pay Us
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: because is there a chance he was having a sexual
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: relationship with doctor Severs and the husband, Mark Severs gets
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: mad and fires him. Well, you know in that same
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: journal on the cell phone, you know, Mark talks about
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: losing trust in her and thinking that she either had
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: or wanted to cheat on him. So I think that
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: was that was a Mark thing. That wasn't a you know,
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: a police theory or an investigative theory. I think that
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: that just added to, you know, the jealousy and the
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: torment that that Mark's writing about, you know, in this
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: cell phone journey. I just don't get the jealousy, the torment.
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: Jason Ocean's newer defense attorney. What's he got to be
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: tormented about? I mean again, he is riding the gravy train.
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: What's his problem? Maffy. I just need to go back
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: a little bit to where we were in terms of
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: the facts. I mean, he was managing the office. Uh,
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: he wasn't just mister mom. Uh. He allowed her to
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: advance in her career and having a career of his own.
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: That's how they well what hey allowed her? What did
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: you just actually say? You did say aloud? I heard
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: you heard you that allowed like scattle, but afforded a
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: better I'm telling your wife, I'm telling your why. Don't
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: think I won't do what I have her sale number,
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: afforded the opportunity to uh uh explore the holistic career
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: that she had always wanted. So that office was getting
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: managed decisions in the office a roll. He was the
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: office manager of what was seemingly a busy and active practice.
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: I don't know that the term mister mom is negative
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: at all, certainly not to me. But he was also professional.
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: Well you're the one that said just mister mom. No, no,
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: he said that to Jason, you need another cup of coffee.
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: Throughout the mister mom. Uh, And she didn't say just
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: mister men who were a nurse. I did not. I
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: would never use the phrase mister mom because I'm telling
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: you roll back that transcript. We're gonna get that transcript.
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: Someone said, mister mom, were sharing all right? Done? There
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: is so. I mean, this guy in office perceived problems.
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: I mean, Amanda hall w I and KTV Fort Myers,
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: you're all over this case. What what's he got to
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: complain about? Do you know something I don't know, Amanda.
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: You know everybody that we've talked to who were patients
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: of hers. I mean, this is a woman that someone
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: describes and these are the words she used as the
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: Oprah Winfrey of Florida among people who were seeking this
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: kind of holistic alternative treatment. You know, Teresa is the star.
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: These patients also told us about times where they could
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: hear her letting him have it, yelling at him up
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: and down in another room. But where it was, you know,
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: flooding the entire lobby and the exam rooms of the office.
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: They could hear her hollering at him. Well, I would
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: holler too. I found out my husband had a digital
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: sex calendar. But okay, that aside in the midst of
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: all this. In addition to the guy that gets fired
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: that gets dragged in by police. In addition to who
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: whatever nut may have seen her on TV, another name
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: emerges in her police interview. Doctor Seb's sister, Annie Lisa,
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: said she heard Sandra Hoskins was a disgruntled employee. I'm like,
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: oh my god, they think I did it. Sandra, who
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: claims she had been treated harshly by doctor Severs in
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: the past, had planned to hand in her resignation that
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: very Monday, the doctor was found dead. According to Sandra,
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: the doctor told her she was bringing bad energy to
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: the office. Why would anyone think that you did this?
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: A lot of the patients didn't know the way she
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: treated me, and so people thought maybe you just had enough.
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: Anne crept into her home and hit her in the
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: head with a clawhead hammer. I don't see it, because
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: doctor Tim Gallagher, a medical examiner for the State of Florida,
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: I'm not stereotyping. I am analyzing the facts. That is
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: typically a male crime, that type of violence. That's very
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: rare for a woman to commit. This type of a murderer.
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: I've had several of these exact same types of scenes
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: before where a woman was attacked with a hammer, and
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: every time, uh, the suspect was brought to justice it
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: was a male. So I don't have any evidence to
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: support that a female does these types of things and
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: all the events I need to support that is definitely
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: a male dominated crime. You know, Amanda Hall w I
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: and KTV Fort Myers, we're talking about why the husband
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: wines all the time. But let me just throw in
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: a little a little bobshell here, a little grenade in
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: the works. Were they swingers at Nancy? That that is
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: something that h that has been that's been said of them,
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: that they had an open marriage um and that they
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: had partners outside of each other. Yes, guys, stay with
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: us tomorrow Part two in the Mystery of the Murderer
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: of doctor Teresa Sievers Nancy Grace crime Story signing off
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: Goodbye friend,