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The Golden Rule · The Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous Podcast

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  Speaker 1: This is the Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous podcast
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  Speaker 1: with iHeartRadio.
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  Speaker 2: It's a special day for us here, It's Almost Famous podcast.
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  Speaker 2: Ashley is flying all around the world right now because
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  Speaker 2: she was out in Los Angeles doing an event, and
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  Speaker 2: so I have two very special guests with me today
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  Speaker 2: who are going to help me break down the Golden Bachelor,
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  Speaker 2: My wife Jessica and the grandma Nana.
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  Speaker 3: Hello everybody, She's not a grandma, she's a nana.
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  Speaker 2: She's a Nana. Hello, Nana.
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  Speaker 4: Hi.
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  Speaker 2: As we've done every week here, it's been really fun.
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  Speaker 2: As we've watched the Golden Bachelor. We've had people come
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  Speaker 2: on special guests that are within the age range of
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  Speaker 2: the people on the show, giving us their opinion on
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  Speaker 2: what they're watching, how they're feeling, how they're enjoying the
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  Speaker 2: Golden Bachelor. And then obviously we've got Jessica here who
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  Speaker 2: likes to jump in now and again a few times.
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  Speaker 2: And you know, Han, I was telling everybody that you
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  Speaker 2: really have no watched a full season of The Bachelor, right.
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  Speaker 3: No, I've never watched the full original Bachelor. This is
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  Speaker 3: my first go round the Golden.
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  Speaker 2: One, and you're loving it. You're loving it. We're watching it,
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  Speaker 2: you're crying, you're feeling all the feels like you're into it.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, I just I really love Gary. I think he's
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  Speaker 3: such a sweet man. I hope that he's being protected
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  Speaker 3: and cared for. I've really been loving watching his journey.
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  Speaker 2: And then, Nana, you've seen every episode of The Golden
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  Speaker 2: Bachelor as well? Right, yes, I have. And just so
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  Speaker 2: everybody has an idea here as they're about to listen
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  Speaker 2: to us break down this episode. Okay, what is your
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  Speaker 2: general thoughts on The Golden Bachelor so far?
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  Speaker 5: My general thoughts is that I love it. It's it's real.
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  Speaker 5: It feels a lot more real to me. Yeah, and
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  Speaker 5: I like that, And I think I think they're more real.
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  Speaker 5: Their emotions come out there and it feels genuine. And
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  Speaker 5: I didn't always feel that way about The Bachelor.
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  Speaker 2: I would agree, and I think that's a general consensus.
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  Speaker 2: I think that's why eleven million people are viewing this show.
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  Speaker 2: You know, I've been able to be around some people
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  Speaker 2: who are viewing the show and there's an emotion. In fact, Nan,
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  Speaker 2: I want to tell you this story. A few weeks ago,
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  Speaker 2: I was able to be a part of a watch
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  Speaker 2: party for the show, and I had a lady come
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  Speaker 2: up to me and she was in tears and she said,
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  Speaker 2: you know, I lost my husband a few years ago
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  Speaker 2: and this is just get helping me like relate with that,
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  Speaker 2: like second chance of love or wanting companionship, or putting
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  Speaker 2: yourself out there or taking these risks. And I was like,
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  Speaker 2: that's what this show used to be. Maybe when The
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  Speaker 2: Bachelor was really good back in the day, that was
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  Speaker 2: authentic and there's a genuineness, and now I think The
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  Speaker 2: Golden Bachelor's kind of bringing that back, that vibe of
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  Speaker 2: people being real, trying something new, attempting to find love,
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  Speaker 2: but if anything else, they're having a good time doing it.
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  Speaker 2: And so I agree with you. I think this show
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  Speaker 2: is great. Well, we're going to dive into this episode.
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  Speaker 2: It kicks offwards. We're what four four episodes in The
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  Speaker 2: Golden Bachelor. Gary has kind of started off this episode.
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  Speaker 2: We're going to see more emotion out of Gary as
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  Speaker 2: the episodes progress. In this episode the sneak peek, he
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  Speaker 2: we see Gary saying he hasn't felt this way since
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  Speaker 2: meeting his wife forty years ago, and so Gary's getting
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  Speaker 2: in it. He's feeling the feels he's connecting with multiple women.
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  Speaker 2: And then the first scene of the episode is where
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  Speaker 2: we get a sneak peak at one of our favorite
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  Speaker 2: Bachelor Nation alum Bachelor at number one, Tristas Sutter is
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  Speaker 2: on the show, which I think is personally very cool
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  Speaker 2: because I know a lot of people in that room
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  Speaker 2: probably watched Trista during her journey to find love on
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  Speaker 2: the Bachelorette. So, Nana, did you watch episode or a
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  Speaker 2: season one of The Bachelorette? Do you remember Trista?
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  Speaker 5: No? Absolutely, I don't.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, well that's fine, I do. I never watched her season. However,
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  Speaker 2: she does live out here in Colorado as well. She
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  Speaker 2: is an incredible human. I was happy to see her
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  Speaker 2: on the show. And they're getting ready to play pickleball,
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  Speaker 2: so it's a group date here. Pickleball is the sport
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  Speaker 2: of choice. Gary's a big pickleball player back home. He
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  Speaker 2: prefers pickleball over every other hobby he has. Some of
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  Speaker 2: these women look like they've played pickleball once or twice.
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  Speaker 2: We actually have somebody that instructs pickleball. This group date
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  Speaker 2: is set up where they're competing against each other to
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  Speaker 2: see who the pickleball champion may be now fun date.
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  Speaker 2: Not a lot goes on here. We don't even see
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  Speaker 2: a ton really other than them hitting the ball back
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  Speaker 2: and forth. But there is something I wanted to bring
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  Speaker 2: up to the two of you. One of our favorites
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  Speaker 2: here the Almost Famous podcast, Sondra. Sondra at this pickleball
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  Speaker 2: date admits to Gary that she is here on the
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  Speaker 2: Golden Bachelor and as a result, she's missing her daughter's wedding.
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  Speaker 2: Love to hear your guys' reaction to that. What did
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  Speaker 2: you think? It made me squirm a little bit. To
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  Speaker 2: be honest, it felt very awkward to me. But it
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  Speaker 2: might not feel awkward everybody, So I'd love to hear
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  Speaker 2: your thoughts. Jess. Let's start with you.
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  Speaker 4: Personally.
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  Speaker 3: I think that if my mom said that she was
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  Speaker 3: going on The Bachelor and it would interfere with my wedding,
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  Speaker 3: I would really sit down and talk with her about it.
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  Speaker 3: I'm sure that Sandra Sandra did with her daughter as well.
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  Speaker 3: Just I bet that they had a lot of conversations
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  Speaker 3: and they got on the same page. I know I
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  Speaker 3: had a friend who went pretty far in the Bachelor
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  Speaker 3: process and she decided not to go through with it
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  Speaker 3: because she had a lot of friends.
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  Speaker 4: Weddings that year.
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  Speaker 3: So I think that it just kind of depends on
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  Speaker 3: the conversations that you have with people. I would have
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  Speaker 3: a hard time with it, but I just have to
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  Speaker 3: assume that they had a lot of really, really good
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  Speaker 3: conversations beforehand. I don't know that it made me scrim too,
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  Speaker 3: just a little.
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  Speaker 4: What do you think, Nana, Well, I think initially I
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  Speaker 4: felt like, you know what you said, Jessica, that oh,
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  Speaker 4: that's a little strange having had daughters that have gotten married.
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  Speaker 5: But when you get into the cat, I mean, it's
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  Speaker 5: it's her life, and obviously she's got a wonderful relationship
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  Speaker 5: as far as I'm concerned with her daughter to be
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  Speaker 5: able to do that, so I it was great, and
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  Speaker 5: I admire her.
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  Speaker 3: For she admire Sandra or her daughter more.
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  Speaker 5: I admire Sandra for being able to say to her daughter,
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  Speaker 5: this is really what I want to do. And I
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  Speaker 5: admire her daughter if it's saying, mom, if that's what
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  Speaker 5: you want. God knows her mother is old enough to
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  Speaker 5: know what she wants at this point in her life.
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  Speaker 5: So I think for me it was fine.
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  Speaker 2: You know, I think there is the element there too,
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  Speaker 2: where a lot of the Like a general theme throughout
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  Speaker 2: the Golden Bachelor has been that not only Gary, but
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  Speaker 2: the women that came on The Golden Bachelor are making
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  Speaker 2: this decision to do something for themselves, Like they're taking
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  Speaker 2: that step out there to do something new, exciting, to
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  Speaker 2: shake life up a bit. And I'm I admire that
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  Speaker 2: because I don't think probably a lot of these these
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  Speaker 2: women especially have made that decision many times here in
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  Speaker 2: the past where they've said, you know what, I want
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  Speaker 2: to do this. I'm going to do this. I know
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  Speaker 2: that things might get pushed aside, and I know some
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  Speaker 2: of my responsibilities and obligations in life might have to
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  Speaker 2: take a back seat, but I want to give this
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  Speaker 2: a shot because I think it's worth it, and I
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  Speaker 2: do think that's something admirable and I think it's healthy
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  Speaker 2: in a lot of ways, because I'm hoping every single
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  Speaker 2: woman who comes on this show leaves going I'm glad
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  Speaker 2: I did it, Like if anything, I'd ended up with Gary,
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  Speaker 2: but I'm just glad I did it because it made
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  Speaker 2: me feel something new again. You know, we kind of
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  Speaker 2: flash through then this group dating the cocktail party. We
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  Speaker 2: see a really great moment with Ellen, and Ellen kind
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  Speaker 2: of has a high or at least a very noticeable
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  Speaker 2: role in this episode. Ellen starts telling Gary obviously later
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  Speaker 2: on in the episode, that she is starting to fall
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  Speaker 2: in love with him. She kind of has that twinkle
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  Speaker 2: in her eye. I believe it when she says it.
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  Speaker 2: Sometimes on this show, when you watch maybe the Bachelor
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  Speaker 2: at a Bachelor, somebody says this and you're like, I
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  Speaker 2: don't know if you really mean that. I think when
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  Speaker 2: these women say it, I think they mean it because
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  Speaker 2: they know what that feels like. Uh, it's a it's
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  Speaker 2: a beautiful moment between the two of them. But this
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  Speaker 2: is where I want to pause for all of us
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  Speaker 2: here and talk about Gary for a second. I'd love
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  Speaker 2: to get you know, Jess had already mentioned that she
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  Speaker 2: loves Gary. She really thinks he's a good dude. She's
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  Speaker 2: hoping somebody's protecting him and looking out for him on
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  Speaker 2: this show. Nana, what is your thoughts about Gary? You know,
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  Speaker 2: as you watch The Golden Bachelor.
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  Speaker 5: Well, initially, what the first episode, I was kind of
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  Speaker 5: turned off because I didn't like the whole emotional start
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  Speaker 5: with crying, and you know, I felt like that you
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  Speaker 5: know that that was kind of you know, that made
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  Speaker 5: women feel sorry.
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  Speaker 2: For him interesting.
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  Speaker 5: And that's really not I would rather have seen something like,
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  Speaker 5: you know, I had a wonderful marriage. I love my
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  Speaker 5: wife and that's why I'm here. But that's me personally.
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  Speaker 5: That was the first episode after that, and as I
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  Speaker 5: as I got to try and understand him a little
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  Speaker 5: bit more, he can't comes across as much more genuine,
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  Speaker 5: and he has life experiences in back of him which
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  Speaker 5: make all the difference in the world as far as
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  Speaker 5: I'm concerned. So at this point I like him and
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  Speaker 5: I think I think he's genuine. I felt really moved
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  Speaker 5: by that episode last night with Ellen. I thought that
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  Speaker 5: was beautiful. I thought that they were both very sincere.
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  Speaker 2: I do think you're you're hitting on something there, Nana.
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  Speaker 2: That's interesting because I have felt and maybe I've never
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  Speaker 2: even thought about it until you just said it. You know,
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  Speaker 2: we did start out with a lot of emotion, and
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  Speaker 2: every time Gary talked about his late wife, there were
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  Speaker 2: tears and he couldn't get the words out and he
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  Speaker 2: couldn't talk about it with any of the women. And
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  Speaker 2: we did see a lot of emotion initially from him.
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  Speaker 2: But I do feel like there was a pivot at
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  Speaker 2: some point during these last four episodes where he's able
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  Speaker 2: to speak about his late wife with love and respect
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  Speaker 2: and admiration, but speak about it now with the confidence
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  Speaker 2: of what could be in the future as well. And
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  Speaker 2: so at some point I do think there was a
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  Speaker 2: turning point for him that maybe we don't even know
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  Speaker 2: when it happened. I would like to kind of point
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  Speaker 2: back maybe to when he first kind of started talking
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  Speaker 2: to Teresa and the diner and she shared her story
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  Speaker 2: as well, that something happened inside of him that made
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  Speaker 2: him feel like I can now continue on still be emotional,
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  Speaker 2: but not be unable to speak about this in a
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  Speaker 2: way that's positive and uplifting. And so we've seen that
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  Speaker 2: more recently. We haven't seen the tears from Gary outside
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  Speaker 2: of when he has to say goodbye to somebody. We
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  Speaker 2: haven't necessarily seen the tears when Gary shares his story.
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  Speaker 2: I think that's really great is when you get to
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  Speaker 2: a place of share that you can share your story
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  Speaker 2: with confidence, and I think we're seeing that at a
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  Speaker 2: Gary now.
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  Speaker 5: It feels a lot more genuine when he's saying goodbye
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  Speaker 5: to somebody to show the tears, I think that's great.
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  Speaker 5: You know, it means he's made an attachment and he
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  Speaker 5: feels the loss, So that's fine. I think it's more appropriate.
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  Speaker 2: So you're saying, as the seasons progressed, you have become
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  Speaker 2: more of a fan of Gary, and that you are,
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  Speaker 2: and would you say, you're in a place whereas you
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  Speaker 2: watch this show, you are hoping that he finds what
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  Speaker 2: he's looking for in the end, that they're rooting for Gary.
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  Speaker 5: Yes, and I think he will know when he finds it. Yeah,
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  Speaker 5: I am.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I think he'll know too. There's a
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  Speaker 2: depth in, like you said, the life experience that does
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  Speaker 2: make me feel like Gary will know when he finds
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  Speaker 2: his one. Well, we really can't break down The Golden
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  Speaker 2: Bachelor at its current state without talking about the little drama.
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  Speaker 2: I'm gonna call it little because it is very minor
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  Speaker 2: compared to what we usually see when we watch The
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  Speaker 2: Bachelor Bachelorette. The little drama that's happening between Kathy and Teresa.
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  Speaker 2: You know, Jess and I watched the episode last night.
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  Speaker 2: We kind of spoke about where this was possibly coming from. Nana.
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  Speaker 2: You know, as we mentioned, you have friends in this
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  Speaker 2: age group. You understand this age group. So as you
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  Speaker 2: watch this argument being played out where Kathy's upset that
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  Speaker 2: Teresa continues to speak about her connection with Gary, and
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  Speaker 2: Teresa's now confused that Kathy's upset because Teresa felt like
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  Speaker 2: all of them were doing it. Is this common in
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  Speaker 2: this age group? Are you watching this feeling like this is? Uh,
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  Speaker 2: this is odd to you kind of how do you
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  Speaker 2: feel about this whole whole situation?
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  Speaker 5: Don't? I don't think it's common. I think the the
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  Speaker 5: older you get, the more you realize what's really important.
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  Speaker 5: And I don't you know, she obviously did not feel
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  Speaker 5: comfortable with herself. See that's how you know I would
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  Speaker 5: interpret it. She's just not comfortable with herself, so she
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  Speaker 5: she takes it out on somebody else.
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  Speaker 2: But you're saying, Kathy, I think Kathy's not comfortab Okay, yeah, okay.
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  Speaker 5: But I think that Teresa was very genuine. I think,
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  Speaker 5: you know, she really didn't mean it viciously, you know,
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  Speaker 5: I think she she acted the way the way any
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  Speaker 5: of us would leaf. So I you know, it's too bad.
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  Speaker 5: It's too bad that Kathy didn't feel more comfortable with
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  Speaker 5: herself to be able to deal with whatever was going on,
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  Speaker 5: but she didn't. So I don't think it's common.
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  Speaker 2: I don't think it's common. This isn't like this, This behavior,
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  Speaker 2: I guess, is not something that when you're around your friends, this,
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  Speaker 2: this kind of i'll call it, like cattiness. This, this
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  Speaker 2: kind of being jealous and upset, you don't feel like
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  Speaker 2: that happens as much. And as you said, as you
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  Speaker 2: get older, you begin to know what's important more right,
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  Speaker 2: and maybe with a little confidence, she wouldn't have reacted
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  Speaker 2: the way she did. And that's what Jessica and I
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  Speaker 2: talked about last night, was you know, Teresa ibviously has
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  Speaker 2: this great connection with Gary. Their relationship is going in
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  Speaker 2: a terrific direction. It feels like there's a lot of
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  Speaker 2: potential for the two of them together, and Kathy maybe
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  Speaker 2: doesn't feel that, and so as a result, she's lashing out,
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  Speaker 2: trying to come out with excuses. It's interesting, jess I
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  Speaker 2: want to hear your opinion on this. In a lot
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  Speaker 2: of ways, when we watch The Bachelor, the same stuff happens,
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  Speaker 2: and yes, maybe it's a little more overblown, and yes
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  Speaker 2: there's maybe it's a little harshery at times. There's maybe
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  Speaker 2: some screaming and yelling like that kind of stuff can
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  Speaker 2: go on, but at the foundation of it, it's the
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  Speaker 2: same thing. Right, somebody's feeling a lack of confidence, they're
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  Speaker 2: feeling maybe like they might be going home. They kind
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  Speaker 2: of put a target on the back of the person
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  Speaker 2: that is obviously has a connection with the lead, and
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  Speaker 2: it just never ends well either way. Where do you
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  Speaker 2: think this come from? Comes from? As we kind of
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  Speaker 2: now talk about like your friend group or people that
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  Speaker 2: you know that have these same kind of conversations. Why
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  Speaker 2: do you think this exists?
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  Speaker 3: Yes, I think I mean Nana's spot on, I think
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  Speaker 3: it just comes from a little bit of insecurity. Like
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  Speaker 3: I even last night when we were watching Kathy kept
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  Speaker 3: saying that a lot of other women had stronger connections
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  Speaker 3: than she did, So she's recognizing that and she's probably
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  Speaker 3: feeling super insecure. And when I feel like when guys
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  Speaker 3: feel insecure, a lot of times they do, like I mean,
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  Speaker 3: it's stereotypical, but they'll do something physical to like prove
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  Speaker 3: that they are better than whomever. They'll like ask to
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  Speaker 3: compete in something they know they'll win in. And for women,
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  Speaker 3: we kind of tear down more with words where we're like, well,
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  Speaker 3: you should just zip it, which, honestly, the fact that
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  Speaker 3: that got such like a pistol reaction from Gary when
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  Speaker 3: Teresa said that she told her to zip it, Like, oh,
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  Speaker 3: I mean, my heart sore because zip it is like
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  Speaker 3: the kindest way to tell someone to be quiet and Gary,
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  Speaker 3: but Gary got so upset by it, and I'm like, wow,
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  Speaker 3: I feel like watching these people that have more life
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  Speaker 3: experience go through and go through something like this, we
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  Speaker 3: realize that as you get older, you are recognizing that
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  Speaker 3: treating everyone with the utmost respect is one of the
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  Speaker 3: most important things in life. And I think that that's
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  Speaker 3: why this, like, as you said, like this little piece
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  Speaker 3: of drama exploded, because we're seeing these people not respect
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  Speaker 3: others and that's a really really big deal to this
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  Speaker 3: specific group. And I think that's really cool to see,
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  Speaker 3: especially as someone who's younger and who hears a lot
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  Speaker 3: of drama that's very insignificant but gets a stronger reaction.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah. I just I feel like I'm learning a.
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  Speaker 3: Lot watching these people go through a very strange experience
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  Speaker 3: and the way that they're dealing with other people, Like
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  Speaker 3: the women in this house seem to really love each
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  Speaker 3: other and don't want they want what's best.
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  Speaker 4: For one another.
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  Speaker 3: And I know Nana and I have talked a lot
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  Speaker 3: about this, or we've talked about it before, where Nana said,
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  Speaker 3: these women know what they want, and so this competition
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  Speaker 3: thing with.
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  Speaker 4: One another, I feel that we're not seeing as much.
• 19:09
  Speaker 2: Explain that a little further. What do you mean by
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: that they know what they want and so we don't
• 19:13
  Speaker 2: see the competition.
• 19:16
  Speaker 5: Nana is the one that brought it up.
• 19:17
  Speaker 3: So, Nana, when you say that these women know what
• 19:21
  Speaker 3: they want, is that just because they loved before. A
• 19:25
  Speaker 3: lot of them have had spouses, and so do you
• 19:29
  Speaker 3: think that they're not as competitive with one another.
• 19:33
  Speaker 5: I think that a big part of it is because
• 19:36
  Speaker 5: they have loved before, they have experienced all kinds of emotions,
• 19:42
  Speaker 5: and each one they're own, separate, different So yeah, I
• 19:48
  Speaker 5: think that they could be very affectionate towards Jerry and
• 19:53
  Speaker 5: think that he's a great friend and all. But they
• 19:57
  Speaker 5: know in their heart whether or not this is this
• 20:01
  Speaker 5: is the one. I don't think, you know. I think
• 20:05
  Speaker 5: that they just know and so it doesn't bother them
• 20:10
  Speaker 5: as much. They're happy for the other people because in
• 20:14
  Speaker 5: their heart they may be this may not be so
• 20:20
  Speaker 5: you know, I think they take care of one another,
• 20:23
  Speaker 5: and I think that's what happens as you get older.
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: And I think we kind of see that, Nana. It's
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: interesting and the parallels here, we see that saying that
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: what you're talking about when they sit down during Leslie's date,
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: which we'll get into, but the other women at the
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: house are playing never Have It Ever, which is is
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: usually a very fun game. But if I ever played that,
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: I would have never agreed to play that when I
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: was on the show. And the reason is is because
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: you couldn't be honest because there'd be a ton of judgment.
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: So say I was the one that was sitting there
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: and it's like, have you ever kissed somebody else's husband
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: or whatever that question was. That feel was like, WHOA,
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: that's obviously a big story, something that's like fairly very controversial,
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: probably not a good season of your life. But she
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: was honest, she said she had okay. And if we
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: were doing this on the Bachelor Bachelorette, you would have
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: seen interviews with all these women being like I don't
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: like that woman, like she's a terrible human, she's this
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: and this and this, and it would have been a
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: lot of judgment and a lot of criticism, but in
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: this situation, there was a lack of judgment. There was
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: almost a laughter at like, hey, we've all had some life,
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: Like we've all done things we're not proud of. Like
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: I can't judge you for your mistakes because I don't
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: want you judging me for mine. And I do think
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: we almost see like a support during that game for
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: each other, because in my mind when they started playing
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: Never Haveever, I was like, this is gonna end terribly,
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: Like somebody is gonna get really mad, somebody's gonna get
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: really upset, somebody's gonna feel really a lot of shame
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: and guilt from this game. But they didn't. It ended
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: fairly well. Other than Sander having a bad stomachache because
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: she some ice cream.
• 22:02
  Speaker 5: I thought that was a great part of the show. Yeah,
• 22:06
  Speaker 5: just to stay the honesty.
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: And it was fun. It's fun, and it was yeah,
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: it's you know, it's it's humanizing. You know. I think
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: oftentimes the younger generation looks at the people who are
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: older than them h and they don't think though, you know,
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: the older generation has dealt with the same kind of
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: stuff that we're dealing with today. And I think those
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: moments humanize the older generation for all of us to
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: watch and be like, you know what, they were young
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: ones too. They made stupid decisions ones too. They're human,
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: they're not perfect, and I do think that's a really
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: cool part about watching this experience. Well, we got to
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: jump into Leslie's date. Leslie has the one on one
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: this week. Leslie's wearing the short shorts and she's pulling
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: them off. Jess and I talked about last night. Jess
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: says she's got great legs, so hey, good for her.
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: She should be wearing what she's wearing. They go on
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: on on a ATV ride through the Los Angeles desert.
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: Looks like a ton of fun, looks like a great experience.
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: They're not really. They can't really talk to each other,
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: so they're just cruising around for a bit. But you know,
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: Leslie has been a big character on this show since
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: the beginning. She introduced herself as the sexy dancer. We
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: saw her dance moves during the talent show. I think
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: Gary is very interested in Leslie. But I would love
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: to also hear your thoughts on Leslie after this date
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: and kind of leading up to this date, what are
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: your thoughts on Leslie and kind of where does she
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: sit maybe for you in terms of her connection with Gary.
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: So Nana will start with you this time.
• 23:43
  Speaker 5: I really like Leslie and I like her willingness to
• 23:52
  Speaker 5: be who she really is. She liked writing the ATV,
• 23:57
  Speaker 5: She had her shorts on, she danced, she she she
• 24:03
  Speaker 5: gave herself permission to be herself. So I liked her,
• 24:08
  Speaker 5: and I and and I think he liked her too,
• 24:13
  Speaker 5: because yeah, she she was herself. She was genuine.
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: Nana, do you think.
• 24:20
  Speaker 3: That for Gary Leslie is more of like a physical
• 24:24
  Speaker 3: attraction or do you think that they can connect emotionally?
• 24:31
  Speaker 5: I think that if any of this is gonna work,
• 24:35
  Speaker 5: it's going to be connecting emotionally. So you know, if
• 24:41
  Speaker 5: there's a chance, I think they can.
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: Mm hmm.
• 24:46
  Speaker 5: Would you ever get on an ATV?
• 24:48
  Speaker 4: Nanna?
• 24:51
  Speaker 6: No, I may have, you know, at some point, but not.
• 25:02
  Speaker 5: I mean, I give her credit.
• 25:04
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I'm the guy it is.
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: It is impressive to me. We've talked about it every
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: week so far. But you know, most people on the
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: show right now are in their late sixties, early seventies.
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: It's kind of the age range that we have. It's
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: impressive the amount of physical activity and also energy that
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: everybody has to be up early in the morning, going
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: to bed very late at night, and also throughout the
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: whole day doing an activity of some kind, socializing maybe
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: with their friends. Like it feels like it would be
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: exhausting for me now, and I can't imagine now, you know,
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: forty years from this day having that energy to keep
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: going every day on and on. I'm impressed. So, Nana,
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: are you impressed with the physical uh aptitude that everybody
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: on the show seems to have.
• 26:05
  Speaker 5: Uh? Yeah, well, you know what, I see that in
• 26:10
  Speaker 5: my in my life every day. You know, the people
• 26:14
  Speaker 5: that I hang with, if you will, that's how they are.
• 26:19
  Speaker 5: They're physical, they're active, they're you know, uh, that's the
• 26:25
  Speaker 5: way they live. So and I and I admire that.
• 26:30
  Speaker 5: So I think these women are great and and and
• 26:33
  Speaker 5: you know, by doing this, I think it gives them,
• 26:38
  Speaker 5: It gives them permission to be to let themselves out.
• 26:43
  Speaker 5: I think that that really gives them permission. And and
• 26:48
  Speaker 5: when you start letting yourself out, who knows what can happen.
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: So to dig into that a little bit, I'm curious.
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: So do you feel like, uh, because I think that's
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: such a beautiful thing, is to give yourself permission to
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: let yourselves out to live a little so in your seventies,
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: do you think men and women, maybe, if you know,
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: take this show out of consideration, do you think they
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: feel a pressure to not just let themselves free at times?
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: Do you think they have some restrictions maybe in their
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: everyday life that forces them to not just be able
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: to let loose and have fun like they're able to
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: on this show.
• 27:30
  Speaker 5: Yes, I think they do. And I guess I can
• 27:34
  Speaker 5: honestly say that I probably know some women who, you know,
• 27:38
  Speaker 5: just don't have the ability to be who they really
• 27:41
  Speaker 5: are for a lot of reasons.
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a beautiful part of the show. Then, I
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: mean that's a kind of a sad part of this
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: show that we're able to witness a bunch of people
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: having a lot of fun and being free during this
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: whole experience, maybe for the first time in a while. Well,
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: I can't imagine what that feels like.
• 28:03
  Speaker 5: I think it's great, it's great you're giving them permission.
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: Well, no, and I think you're right, and I think
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: we see it, and I think we're seeing it with Leslie,
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: you know, Leslie had mentioned to Gary that she'd been
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: single for twenty two years. I do think there is
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: something to this relationship. I don't know the depth that
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: it will go, but I do think there is a
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: connection there, and I do think Gary is very attracted
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: to her. But I also think there it feels like
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: for whatever season of life Gary is going to be
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: entering into, he is looking for somebody who can have
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: fun with him, who can joke with him, who he's
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: attracted to, and in so far, Leslie matches all of those.
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: I still feel like, even after this date, personally, it
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: didn't have the depth that we've seen on other one
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: on one dates that he's had this season. I don't
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: think I can leave it being like they're Their depth
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: that they got to so easily feels like one that
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: could propel them into a future together. But I still
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: think there's something there. Do you guys agree?
• 29:11
  Speaker 5: I don't. Yeah.
• 29:12
  Speaker 3: I think the one thing that's always been confusing me
• 29:15
  Speaker 3: about the show is the amount of time you get
• 29:17
  Speaker 3: with the person. I know that I've talked to you
• 29:20
  Speaker 3: a lot about that too, Ben, So I feel like
• 29:22
  Speaker 3: a lot of it, Like I feel like it you
• 29:25
  Speaker 3: just have to have more time to make those deep connections.
• 29:28
  Speaker 3: So it's Leslie's there longer than they They definitely could. Also,
• 29:34
  Speaker 3: I'm at work. I have a client here. I just
• 29:37
  Speaker 3: wanted to get you guys going, But Nana and Ben,
• 29:40
  Speaker 3: I know that you guys are going to have a
• 29:42
  Speaker 3: great rest of your conversation. I just have to sign off. Okay, guys, bye,
• 29:49
  Speaker 3: love y'all.
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: Well, Nana, we do have a few people who are
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: on the injured Reserve. Coming into the end of the
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: episode the cocktail party, Nancy has a bum leg. She
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: got a stress fracture playing pickleball. We didn't see it.
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: Maybe I missed it, but like it kind of came
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: out of nowhere for me, and then Nancy's going to
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: go home because of it. That's too bad, but I'm
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: not shocked. I don't know if Nancy wanted to be
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: there necessarily much longer. It felt like she was kind
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: of like having fun and into the experience, But it
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: never felt like Nancy really like dove into a connection
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: with Gary.
• 30:39
  Speaker 5: Well she said, I mean, she's what she said is
• 30:42
  Speaker 5: that she doesn't feel like he's She's part of the
• 30:47
  Speaker 5: people he's interested in. You know, I didn't get the
• 30:51
  Speaker 5: impression she was going home because of her leg I
• 30:53
  Speaker 5: got the impression that she just didn't feel comfortable there,
• 30:58
  Speaker 5: she didn't feel humped well with the whole situation, and
• 31:02
  Speaker 5: she didn't feel that she really that he really made
• 31:06
  Speaker 5: a connection with her. And he agreed.
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: H Yeah, he did agree. I think I think she
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: was probably going home that evening. And so, you know,
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: from my experience in the show, it's always nice to
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: have when somebody doesn't feel it, it's nice to have
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: that kind of closing conversation because if not, you're just
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: kind of not giving them a rose, and they're going home,
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: they're getting a car in their car run. So it
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: is nice to kind of have that closure of hey,
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: this is great, I think you're great, but we're not
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: clicking like we know we should be, and I'm just
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: gonna go home. Uh And and so I'm not surprised
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: by Nancy's departure. In fact, I do think it made
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: a little easier on Gary at the end of the evening,
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: so that he didn't have to let go of three women.
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: Instead he only had to do two. At the rose ceremony,
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: Sander sick. Yeah, as she mentioned kind of in uh
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: in just just as she ate the ice cream, she said, Hey,
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: I shouldn't have this ice cream because I'm not going
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: to feel good. And sure enough we see her laying
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: in bed, just kind of sulking in her you know,
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: lactose intolerant miseries, which is never fun for anybody and
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: probably not something you want to have as you're also
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: trying to date on a national television shows. You know. Well,
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: the rose ceremony, the cocktail party kind of continues. The
• 32:23
  Speaker 2: only part about the cocktail party that I really believe
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: is worth speaking of is the conversation with Ellen. We
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: talked about Ellen earlier on. She was very open about
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: her feelings. I believe them. I can see in her
• 32:35
  Speaker 2: eyes there is a sparkle, there is an excitement. And
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: she kind of continues that conversation that she had earlier
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: with Gary into then this evening. And Gary responds with
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: pretty much telling her without telling her, hey, I'm feeling
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: the same way you are. And he makes this comment, Nana.
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: He says he thought the world ended when he lost
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: his late wife Tony, but he has that feeling again.
• 33:03
  Speaker 2: It's the It's what we got in the sneak peek
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: at the beginning. As you see this scene, it's really
• 33:10
  Speaker 2: the first time that we've seen this type of depth
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: and emotion. And I guess just somebody you know explaining
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: how much they're feeling for each other on this show
• 33:22
  Speaker 2: so far, how does it make you feel?
• 33:25
  Speaker 5: I felt great. I felt like it was so sincere
• 33:32
  Speaker 5: and so genuine and I could see where it could
• 33:37
  Speaker 5: just bring up all those feelings. I thought it was beautiful.
• 33:42
  Speaker 5: I thought it was beautiful. I really did. I felt
• 33:46
  Speaker 5: again like he was they're really into each other.
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. In fact, I got a lot of texts
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: last night from people who are watching the episode, and
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: I think this, this moment is a moment that so
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: many viewers have been waiting for where they feel like, hey,
• 34:05
  Speaker 2: this could work. This is really good because I think
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: viewers have been convinced since early on in this season
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: that there's an there's a genuineness, that there is a
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: desire to find somebody. But also, as you were, you know, explaining,
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: there's also viewers are enjoying seeing people kind of thrive
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: in this environment and seeing how people in their sixties
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: and seventies get along when they live inside of a mansion.
• 34:30
  Speaker 2: But I think most a lot of viewers will waiting
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: for this kind of breakpoint where now we're seeing, you know,
• 34:36
  Speaker 2: real feelings start to get said. I will say this
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: with a caveat though, Nana. I think opening up this
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: door for Gary as he starts to feel these things
• 34:49
  Speaker 2: and starts to express these things, is only going to
• 34:52
  Speaker 2: make this experience a lot harder for him. I don't
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: think he's ready personally for the amount of feelings and
• 34:58
  Speaker 2: emotions he about to get as the season continues.
• 35:04
  Speaker 5: And that maybe that's important. Is he ready? I mean,
• 35:08
  Speaker 5: and I don't know. It hasn't been that long, right
• 35:10
  Speaker 5: as I remember that he lost.
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: His wife, I think it's seven years, So it's seven years,
• 35:18
  Speaker 2: but I think that's seven years of pretty much not dating,
• 35:21
  Speaker 2: and so you know, that's it's seven years of not
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: having these feelings, and now he might be feeling as
• 35:27
  Speaker 2: we see on most seasons, he might have these same
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: feelings for multiple people, and he's gonna end up having
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: to say goodbye to people that he deeply cares about.
• 35:35
  Speaker 2: That and he's not used to feeling this way. It's
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: been forty seven years, you know, since he met his wife,
• 35:43
  Speaker 2: and so forty seven years of not kind of having
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: these these love feelings and uh, and I think it's
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: gonna make it really hard on him as we continue on.
• 35:53
  Speaker 5: I think that's a great point. I didn't I didn't
• 35:55
  Speaker 5: think of it that way, but yeah, you know, how
• 36:00
  Speaker 5: do you how do you interpret everything that's going on
• 36:04
  Speaker 5: inside of you? Is this really what I feel? Or
• 36:07
  Speaker 5: is it do I miss my wife? Or you know?
• 36:11
  Speaker 5: I think I agree with you, Ben. I think it's
• 36:13
  Speaker 5: going to be hotter and harder.
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah, which as a viewer I'm excited for. But if
• 36:21
  Speaker 2: I'm Gary, uh, and I'm thinking about Gary, I'm sad
• 36:24
  Speaker 2: for because I think it's going to be a really
• 36:26
  Speaker 2: hard road to the happiness that he's hoping for at
• 36:28
  Speaker 2: the end, and we hope that he finds that happiness.
• 36:30
  Speaker 2: As a viewer, I am. I am excited to see
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: what emotions and what feelings come out now from this
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: point forward, because I think they're going to be very
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: real for everybody, and I think they're going to be
• 36:46
  Speaker 2: very believable for us as an audience, and and I
• 36:49
  Speaker 2: think we're going to be kind of on the edge
• 36:50
  Speaker 2: of our seat wondering how in the world is he
• 36:52
  Speaker 2: going to say goodbye to one of these people because
• 36:55
  Speaker 2: I know he cares about so them all so much.
• 36:59
  Speaker 5: Yes, and it's a it's a real growth process for him.
• 37:03
  Speaker 5: It's a real moving forward time for him. And it's
• 37:07
  Speaker 5: going to be painful, you know, the things he has
• 37:11
  Speaker 5: to let go of and hang on to. So I
• 37:15
  Speaker 5: think it will be difficult, But I think it's good.
• 37:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's healthy, right, you would say it's healthy, very healthy.
• 37:21
  Speaker 5: It's helping him to get some closure in his life
• 37:25
  Speaker 5: and to resolve some of the grief and getting permission.
• 37:33
  Speaker 5: I think that's the biggest thing. He's got. Permission to
• 37:36
  Speaker 5: move forward.
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: That's beautiful. Yeah, permission to move forward. We're going to
• 37:41
  Speaker 2: see it with their own eyes as we continue to
• 37:43
  Speaker 2: watch this season. But as this episode ended, Ellen, Faith, Susan,
• 37:47
  Speaker 2: and Teresa are left, along with Sandra and Leslie who
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: got the roses during the episode. Kathy and April are
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: going home. I'm not shocked or surprised, Nana. Were you
• 37:58
  Speaker 2: shocked or surprised by the two eliminations of.
• 38:00
  Speaker 5: Week No, No, it's it's kind of the way I
• 38:05
  Speaker 5: figured it would go.
• 38:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think so.
• 38:09
  Speaker 5: I think I was happy about Sandra. Yeah, I think
• 38:12
  Speaker 5: she's a real genuine person you know, and I think
• 38:16
  Speaker 5: he sees her as that, as a real genuine person,
• 38:19
  Speaker 5: not necessarily somebody's going to fall in love with, but
• 38:23
  Speaker 5: just a real genuine person.
• 38:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I want to see more from her, Like I
• 38:29
  Speaker 2: think you're right, Like she comes off very genuine, Jess,
• 38:32
  Speaker 2: and I love watching her on television. I think she
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: has this calm demeanor about her, and she's she's very
• 38:38
  Speaker 2: you know, a very prevalent person on the show. But
• 38:41
  Speaker 2: we haven't gotten enough. I want to know a little more.
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: I want to see the two of them together now.
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  Speaker 5: I mean he used the word empathy when he talked
• 38:52
  Speaker 5: about her, Yeah, and you could see that she's a
• 38:55
  Speaker 5: very empathetic person.
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  Speaker 2: You know, I am a little know and you brought
• 39:00
  Speaker 2: up a good point about her. I think when he
• 39:03
  Speaker 2: gave her the rose, you know, he mentioned that she
• 39:06
  Speaker 2: gave a big sacrifice to stay and be on that show.
• 39:10
  Speaker 2: I would have, you know. I think that's great and
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: I think he really means that. But yet we haven't
• 39:16
  Speaker 2: necessarily seen him say and I just want her around
• 39:19
  Speaker 2: because I just I can't get enough of her, you know,
• 39:22
  Speaker 2: like I just need her around. Like I think he
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: gave her the rose because he's like, you're awesome, I'm
• 39:27
  Speaker 2: into it, but you also give up a big sacrifice.
• 39:30
  Speaker 2: So in a sense, I kind of feel like I
• 39:31
  Speaker 2: want to give you this gift for doing this, But
• 39:34
  Speaker 2: it wasn't necessarily saying I want to give you this
• 39:36
  Speaker 2: rose because I just can't think of you not being
• 39:38
  Speaker 2: here any longer.
• 39:40
  Speaker 7: Yes, I know, yeah, I mean he's getting attached to people, yeah,
• 39:46
  Speaker 7: at different levels than falling in love with them.
• 39:50
  Speaker 5: I think he's getting attached to people emotionally at this point,
• 39:57
  Speaker 5: not that it's necessarily he's in love with them, and
• 40:03
  Speaker 5: maybe he's working towards that, but he's emotionally attached to
• 40:08
  Speaker 5: the women and he really likes them all.
• 40:12
  Speaker 2: As we mentioned, that's not going to get any easier.
• 40:14
  Speaker 2: Every week that goes by. His emotions are going to
• 40:17
  Speaker 2: continue to heighten, his connections are going to continue to grow,
• 40:20
  Speaker 2: and the women's connections are going to continue. Oh yeah,
• 40:24
  Speaker 2: it's going to be a very interesting dynamic as this
• 40:26
  Speaker 2: season continues. Well. In the sneak peaks, we see what
• 40:29
  Speaker 2: we've been seeing from multiple weeks. Gary is having a
• 40:32
  Speaker 2: very difficult time processing a lot of these feelings, but
• 40:35
  Speaker 2: we also see a lot of good connections in him
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: being very happy and so we don't get a lot
• 40:40
  Speaker 2: from the sneak peaks, but we will be tuning in
• 40:42
  Speaker 2: every week and breaking it down here on the homost
• 40:44
  Speaker 2: Famous podcast. Today, we want to give a very special
• 40:46
  Speaker 2: thank you to Nana just because Grahama for coming on
• 40:50
  Speaker 2: walking us through this. She absolutely crushed it. It's a
• 40:53
  Speaker 2: big deal when you come on and over fifty thousand
• 40:57
  Speaker 2: people are going to listen to your voice now over
• 40:59
  Speaker 2: the next week, and and you did it so well.
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  Speaker 2: My kids, Oh it's so good. They're going to be
• 41:10
  Speaker 2: your biggest fans. Nana, thank you so much, really appreciate it,
• 41:14
  Speaker 2: and you did great.
• 41:16
  Speaker 5: Oh, thank you, Ben, You're the.
• 41:18
  Speaker 2: Best with that. This has been another episode of the
• 41:22
  Speaker 2: Almost Famous Podcast until next week, when we'll be breaking
• 41:25
  Speaker 2: down Bachelor in Paradise, Bachelor headlines, more Golden Bachelor. I've
• 41:30
  Speaker 2: been Ben, We'll talk to you soon.
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