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- 0:00Speaker 1: Hello everybody, and welcome back to Honeybadger Radio. And here
- 0:03Speaker 1: is Brian. I'm here with Alison, and this is a
- 0:05Speaker 1: maintaining frame. I guess shooting the men's writes detail nobody
- 0:10Speaker 1: noticed that changes everything. Where we are going to be
- 0:14Speaker 1: giving our perspective on the recent incident in Minneapolis involving
- 0:21Speaker 1: an ice officer and an activist that was trying to
- 0:26Speaker 1: impede him, and it ended in up with the activists
- 0:31Speaker 1: being killed. And of course this is started a media
- 0:35Speaker 1: firestorm and there have been vigils, there have been riots,
- 0:39Speaker 1: there have been fighting in the streets, there have been docsing,
- 0:43Speaker 1: there have been allegations of fascism, and all kinds of
- 0:47Speaker 1: other stuff. And we're going to try and break through
- 0:51Speaker 1: the noise and look at this in you know, as
- 0:55Speaker 1: I guess, as a unique way that we can offer
- 0:58Speaker 1: and also giving some clarity because there is such a
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- 2:27Speaker 3: our summary and your thoughts.
- 2:29Speaker 1: So yep. So on January seventh in Minneapolis, Minnesota, there
- 2:37Speaker 1: was a clash between anti ICE activists and ICE officers
- 2:43Speaker 1: that were trying to do their job, and one specific
- 2:47Speaker 1: video went viral, and that was of a woman who
- 2:51Speaker 1: appeared to have been shot by an ICE officer through
- 2:54Speaker 1: the windshield and died. And of course, if I if
- 3:00Speaker 1: that's all you heard, then that would be the story
- 3:03Speaker 1: and everybody would like be like, oh, you know, case clothes,
- 3:07Speaker 1: Ice are terrible people. They've only been telling us this
- 3:10Speaker 1: for years on every possible media outlet, everything that had
- 3:14Speaker 1: a sound that can come out of it. But it's
- 3:18Speaker 1: not as simple as that. So what we originally had
- 3:23Speaker 1: some video from people's phones, and those were people who
- 3:27Speaker 1: were there, and specifically those were activists that were there
- 3:31Speaker 1: that were sort of like on the side of the
- 3:33Speaker 1: woman driving the car, and it looked, you know, they
- 3:37Speaker 1: were trying to spin it, and people are still doing
- 3:39Speaker 1: it now, but we have since gotten buddy and footage
- 3:44Speaker 1: after that that sort of shows a different picture now
- 3:50Speaker 1: from what I know. And I have a lot of
- 3:52Speaker 1: stuff here I can show, but I think it's important
- 3:56Speaker 1: to like set the stage. So first of all, we
- 3:59Speaker 1: have some information let's just before we even get to
- 4:02Speaker 1: this day. Okay. Ever since the ICE deportations have started,
- 4:13Speaker 1: there have been a tax on ICE officers, and the
- 4:17Speaker 1: Department of Home and Security in the States have been
- 4:21Speaker 1: hiring and a lot of people have been getting jobs there.
- 4:24Speaker 1: This is a decision. This whole deportation operation was something
- 4:29Speaker 1: that was put into place because Americans voted for it.
- 4:32Speaker 1: And remember on the ticket for twenty twenty four, and
- 4:36Speaker 1: this is important context. There were two options. There was
- 4:39Speaker 1: the one that was going to close the order then
- 4:43Speaker 1: the illegals back cut back on the spending and essentially
- 4:46Speaker 1: put keep more money in the pockets of taxpayers. And
- 4:50Speaker 1: then there was the party that wanted to kill their babies.
- 4:52Speaker 1: And it was divided mostly on gender lines when those
- 4:56Speaker 1: votes came out. I mean, there was some overlap or whatever,
- 4:58Speaker 1: but there was a big divide in that particular thing.
- 5:01Speaker 1: And we've been talking about the genera divide on the
- 5:03Speaker 1: voting thing and how women have become more and more
- 5:06Speaker 1: radical in recent years and how that's been reflected in
- 5:11Speaker 1: pulling and in voting patterns, et cetera. But it's also
- 5:15Speaker 1: been in the case of activism. And so since ICE
- 5:19Speaker 1: has been put on the job. And most of these people,
- 5:22Speaker 1: by the way, that are doing this enforcement are men.
- 5:25Speaker 1: This is important because the men's channel. And yes, men
- 5:28Speaker 1: are immigrants, but men are also cops, and they are
- 5:31Speaker 1: ICE officers, and they are military, and they are first responders,
- 5:34Speaker 1: and they're firemen, and they're rangers and their medics whatever, right,
- 5:39Speaker 1: so most of the so anyway, according to official statements
- 5:45Speaker 1: from the US Department of Homeland Security and ICE, there
- 5:47Speaker 1: have been a dramatic reported increase in vehicle related assaults
- 5:51Speaker 1: such as ramming, hitting, and using vehicles as weapons against
- 5:55Speaker 1: ICE agents. DHS has released statistics highlighting this trend, particularly
- 6:01Speaker 1: since early twenty twenty five under the current administration's intensified
- 6:05Speaker 1: immigration enforcement operations. Key figures include from January twenty first,
- 6:12Speaker 1: twenty twenty five to early January twenty twenty six. So
- 6:15Speaker 1: this is the last not even month, it's just been like, well,
- 6:19Speaker 1: it's actually been a year, right about a year. ICE
- 6:22Speaker 1: officers reportedly experienced sixty six vehicular attacks compared to just
- 6:27Speaker 1: two in the same period in the year of twenty
- 6:30Speaker 1: twenty four, you know, when Joe Biden was in office,
- 6:34Speaker 1: described as a three thousand percent increase three two hundred
- 6:38Speaker 1: percent Earlier reports through November twenty twenty five cided twenty
- 6:42Speaker 1: eight vehicular attacks against ICE since January twentieth, versus two
- 6:46Speaker 1: in the twenty twenty fourth period, a thirteen hundred percent
- 6:50Speaker 1: increase Overall ICE assaults on ICE agents not limited to
- 6:55Speaker 1: vehicles were reported as up over thirteen hundred percent or
- 6:59Speaker 1: in some statements, and forty seven percent, with death threats
- 7:04Speaker 1: rising by eight thousand percent. These numbers come directly from
- 7:08Speaker 1: DHS press releases and statements, often attruding the search to
- 7:12Speaker 1: radical rhetoric from sanctuary city politicians, activists, and media that
- 7:17Speaker 1: they say encourages resistance and violence against federal officers. And
- 7:21Speaker 1: we've actually seen this actually coming out from certain governors
- 7:25Speaker 1: like Tim Walls and mayors like Brandon Johnson, like the
- 7:31Speaker 1: mayor of Minneapolis whose name it slips my mind right now.
- 7:35Speaker 1: And yes, so no too. Walls to the governor, some
- 7:39Speaker 1: of the mayor, the guy who said get the fuck
- 7:42Speaker 1: of our city to ICE, basically threatening them. And of
- 7:47Speaker 1: course these are the people, the people who say these things,
- 7:49Speaker 1: they never have to like cash the check that they're
- 7:53Speaker 1: you know that they're writing. It's always like people on
- 7:55Speaker 1: the ground that end up having to deal with that stuff.
- 7:58Speaker 1: So this is an important to point out. Okay, so
- 8:02Speaker 1: so this this, uh, the individual involved in the in
- 8:06Speaker 1: the accident, the actual ice officer himself, whose name I
- 8:10Speaker 1: will not reveal, although he has been docks by, you know,
- 8:14Speaker 1: left the activists online.
- 8:16Speaker 3: Well the thing is that, Okay, just just I think
- 8:18Speaker 3: it's okay because even Fox was talking about his name.
- 8:23Speaker 1: Well they put it out there. Yeah, I guess.
- 8:25Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I don't think we can necessarily because
- 8:27Speaker 3: it be a little bit difficult not to talk about
- 8:29Speaker 3: this situation without without actually referencing his name, although I
- 8:33Speaker 3: don't I mean, so that let's.
- 8:37Speaker 2: Just leave it at that.
- 8:38Speaker 3: But yeah, this is uh, continue Brian. So I just
- 8:43Speaker 3: wanted to say that I think at this point that
- 8:44Speaker 3: the chat is out of the bag.
- 8:47Speaker 1: Yeah, so the guy's name is out there. I don't
- 8:49Speaker 1: have it in front of me, but I'm sure it's
- 8:50Speaker 1: in one of my notes somewhere. Yeah, but he was
- 8:57Speaker 1: they were posting him online. That was the Brian Krass
- 9:00Speaker 1: that did it. Actually have it on my phone here
- 9:02Speaker 1: because I reposted him and I called it monstrous and
- 9:05Speaker 1: because he because of the way that they do this
- 9:07Speaker 1: and this is exactly, by the way, this is the
- 9:09Speaker 1: same shit they did that got Charlie Kirk killed. And
- 9:12Speaker 1: I'm not afraid to say that because it's true. Where
- 9:16Speaker 1: let me just find it here? Yeah, here we go.
- 9:21Speaker 1: Brian Crasenstein said, Jonathan Ross is his name? Stay peaceful?
- 9:25Speaker 1: So he gives the guy's name, shows a full HG
- 9:27Speaker 1: photo of the dude, even though he's bringing a mask,
- 9:29Speaker 1: and then says, stay peaceful, ask for it afterwards, which
- 9:33Speaker 1: you know that that's what I'm saying, Like this is
- 9:35Speaker 1: this kind of like did they do this so they
- 9:38Speaker 1: can get plausible deniability and say, well, look, I told
- 9:40Speaker 1: him to say people, but if he gets killed by
- 9:42Speaker 1: a lunatic, hey, that's just like that's not my problem, right,
- 9:46Speaker 1: And it's obvious what they're doing like this they were saying, well,
- 9:50Speaker 1: why are these guys wearing masks? Well, I don't know,
- 9:52Speaker 1: to protect themselves and their family, because it's not just
- 9:55Speaker 1: like you know, activists that are a problem, or even
- 9:58Speaker 1: like illegal immigrants might get violent when cornered, that's a problem.
- 10:02Speaker 1: It's the cartels that are a problem that are often
- 10:04Speaker 1: tied to some of these illegals that are here. It's
- 10:08Speaker 1: like there's there's links to terrorist groups, you know, like
- 10:13Speaker 1: the Somalians that live in Minnesota that are sending money
- 10:16Speaker 1: back to terror cells. So it's not like this is
- 10:19Speaker 1: just like in a vacuum. Okay, no, But anyway, going
- 10:23Speaker 1: back to that guy, I'm not bringing up who he
- 10:25Speaker 1: is or what happened or well, like this specific thing
- 10:28Speaker 1: about him being docksed. But it's also important to note
- 10:31Speaker 1: that the ICE officer involved in this issue had himself
- 10:37Speaker 1: already been attacked. Let me see here, I have the
- 10:43Speaker 1: data right here. This is from the Department of Homeland
- 10:46Speaker 1: Security and this is from June. So it's not like
- 10:48Speaker 1: they put it out there now to like sort of
- 10:51Speaker 1: cover him. This is an older report and these are
- 10:54Speaker 1: the things that people that know about until something like
- 10:56Speaker 1: what happened today happens. Then people start looking into it.
- 10:58Speaker 1: So in June eighteenth, there was a Today, Department of
- 11:03Speaker 1: Homeland Security announced federal law enforcement arrested Roberto Carlos Muno's Guatemala,
- 11:08Speaker 1: a serial illegal alien, after he dragged in Immigration and
- 11:11Speaker 1: Customs Enforcement officer fifty yards with his car in Bloomington, Minnesota,
- 11:16Speaker 1: trying to evade arrest. So and then this the ice officer,
- 11:21Speaker 1: same guy from today, from this story that we're talking about.
- 11:24Speaker 1: He was dragged for fifty yards, just like one hundred
- 11:28Speaker 1: and fifty feet. He had to be hospitalized and he
- 11:30Speaker 1: got over thirty stitches, and then he went back to work,
- 11:35Speaker 1: and now he ran into this problem. And so a
- 11:38Speaker 1: woman is threatened to drive into a guy that had
- 11:41Speaker 1: already had an experience with a person behind a wheel
- 11:44Speaker 1: that didn't want to comply. It's no wonder that he
- 11:47Speaker 1: might be a little bit on edge.
- 11:49Speaker 3: Well, it's not even like, okay, we need if you're done,
- 11:53Speaker 3: I think we should go take a.
- 11:54Speaker 2: Look at the footage. And I'm going to I'm.
- 11:56Speaker 1: Not showing them that I can come back.
- 11:58Speaker 2: I don't know what we need to go through it.
- 12:00Speaker 3: Now.
- 12:00Speaker 1: It's okay, we can go through the footage.
- 12:02Speaker 3: Now, because I want to point out what I think
- 12:05Speaker 3: everybody is missed on both the right and the left side.
- 12:07Speaker 3: And while I'm not drawing an equivalence between the right
- 12:11Speaker 3: and the left narratives, I think it was missed on
- 12:14Speaker 3: the right side because it started to spin into.
- 12:16Speaker 2: Its own narrative.
- 12:18Speaker 3: And this is actually something that reframes everything that happened
- 12:22Speaker 3: and lays to rest whether or not it was a
- 12:26Speaker 3: justified use of lethal force. So I'd like to I'd
- 12:30Speaker 3: like to go through the actual event and take a
- 12:33Speaker 3: look at at the circumstances surrounding the discharge of the firearm.
- 12:39Speaker 3: Are we allowed to say shooting. I guess it doesn't
- 12:40Speaker 3: matter because we're demonetized and de algorithmized. So but anyway,
- 12:45Speaker 3: that's what I want to do because I want to
- 12:47Speaker 3: point something out that I think has been missed by everyone.
- 12:49Speaker 2: And the reason why, you know.
- 12:51Speaker 3: When I first when Brian first brought this to me
- 12:54Speaker 3: as a topic, I'm like, Oh, gosh, this is this
- 12:56Speaker 3: is going to be it's going to be too much political.
- 12:59Speaker 3: But and then we talked about it and I realized
- 13:02Speaker 3: there's a really strong men's rights at angle to it.
- 13:06Speaker 3: And I was looking at researching it and looking into
- 13:09Speaker 3: it and looking at the footage. And after he had Brian,
- 13:13Speaker 3: Brian had brought that specific situation up in in the
- 13:19Speaker 3: past of this officer, I was starting.
- 13:23Speaker 2: To I was.
- 13:24Speaker 4: I was thinking about that, like the how he was
- 13:26Speaker 4: bringing to this situation, the fact that he had himself
- 13:30Speaker 4: almost been in like a fatality, like he'd almost been
- 13:34Speaker 4: killed by a car, Like when you're dragged by a
- 13:36Speaker 4: car of that length.
- 13:37Speaker 3: It's almost like a miracle that you weren't killed. Uh
- 13:40Speaker 3: fifty yards there. That that that particular scenario has a
- 13:45Speaker 3: high light, a high likelihood of injury or death. And
- 13:49Speaker 3: he survived that, and he had to go to the
- 13:51Speaker 3: hospital get thirty stitches. And I was just in the
- 13:53Speaker 3: back of my mind. I was thinking about that while
- 13:56Speaker 3: I reviewed the footage. So do you have the footage up, Brian?
- 13:59Speaker 1: Are we talking about which clip? The last one I
- 14:01Speaker 1: sent you? The one.
- 14:04Speaker 3: Actual, the actual.
- 14:05Speaker 1: From the of the I of the nice officer, No.
- 14:09Speaker 3: From the perspective of the bystanders, the clip of the
- 14:11Speaker 3: actual incidents, the original clip that was showed on on Foxes. Yeah,
- 14:19Speaker 3: that one right, good, good job, all right? So, yes,
- 14:23Speaker 3: expanded as much as you can and let's play it.
- 14:25Speaker 3: I can full screen it, Yes, and let's see it.
- 14:32Speaker 3: You can see the vehicle there that's law enforcement and
- 14:37Speaker 3: it is the Honda Pilot that we should be focused
- 14:39Speaker 3: on here. It's about a purpleish reddish.
- 14:45Speaker 1: Perpendicular. That's an tactic that's not an accident specifically obstruct.
- 14:51Speaker 3: Yes, she's actually blocking their way. She's actually blocking their way.
- 14:55Speaker 2: That's verified.
- 14:57Speaker 3: But this is what I like. This is the moment
- 14:59Speaker 3: where we're going to to see something and I'm gonna
- 15:01Speaker 3: point it out. And I don't think anybody's talking about
- 15:03Speaker 3: it except in passing. So let's watch what's happening. Okay,
- 15:08Speaker 3: we're here agent walking up and then there's another agent.
- 15:13Speaker 3: I don't know if you can see that.
- 15:15Speaker 2: Did you see it?
- 15:16Speaker 3: Did you see it? I'll yes, So.
- 15:21Speaker 1: If you slow.
- 15:24Speaker 3: It down so way down? Yeah, there we go, so
- 15:28Speaker 3: way down. And I want people to watch this.
- 15:30Speaker 2: Hey, don't listen to the it's gonna.
- 15:33Speaker 3: Be yeah, maybe turn off the commentary.
- 15:36Speaker 2: So you see this.
- 15:38Speaker 3: Now she backs up, right, she stops. Right, Look and
- 15:44Speaker 3: that looks almost like, okay, stop it here. That almost
- 15:46Speaker 3: looks like she's complying with what they're telling him to do,
- 15:49Speaker 3: which is to get the hell out of the out
- 15:51Speaker 3: of the street. Right, she stops, He reaches into the window.
- 15:56Speaker 3: Now continue in slow motion. See what happens, right, keep going,
- 16:04Speaker 3: keep going.
- 16:06Speaker 2: Do you see that.
- 16:09Speaker 3: When he reaches into the window, right, just let it
- 16:15Speaker 3: let it run, let it run.
- 16:19Speaker 2: Do you see the motion that he's making.
- 16:23Speaker 1: The guy on the guy closer to us.
- 16:25Speaker 3: The guy the guy closer to us, who is reaching
- 16:28Speaker 3: into the window like he's reaching in, right, Okay, he
- 16:34Speaker 3: moves his hand and then after the shots fire, it's
- 16:38Speaker 3: almost like there's something that lets go and the momentum
- 16:44Speaker 3: of that sends him back a bit.
- 16:46Speaker 2: Do you see what I'm saying?
- 16:48Speaker 3: All right, let's go let's look at it again and
- 16:50Speaker 3: see if you can see what I'm saying. Watch him slowly,
- 16:56Speaker 3: don't don't stop it. So his hand goes in, he's
- 17:05Speaker 3: trying the lock. He's probably trying to reach to get
- 17:07Speaker 3: rid of the lock for some reason, his hand isn't back,
- 17:10Speaker 3: and then bam, his hand is released.
- 17:13Speaker 2: You see that?
- 17:14Speaker 1: Yeah?
- 17:15Speaker 2: Okay, So what did we just see?
- 17:19Speaker 3: That guy was almost in the same scenario as the
- 17:23Speaker 3: man who shot the protester, his his comrade, or his colleague,
- 17:31Speaker 3: was in a scenario where, no matter how long it took,
- 17:35Speaker 3: it briefly looked like he was trapped and unable to
- 17:39Speaker 3: get his hand out of the car. And the person
- 17:42Speaker 3: the man with the gun, had already experienced that, right,
- 17:46Speaker 3: so in that split second, he probably thought that that's
- 17:50Speaker 3: what it was about to happen.
- 17:51Speaker 1: That guy was going to get dragged.
- 17:52Speaker 2: Yeah, he was.
- 17:57Speaker 3: The amount of recoil you see on his when he
- 18:00Speaker 3: gets his hand back. The amount of recoil suggests that
- 18:03Speaker 3: he was actually trapped by something, at least for a moment. Now,
- 18:07Speaker 3: I'm not sure, for I'm not. I can't. I'm not
- 18:09Speaker 3: a professional analyst. I'm just somebody who is.
- 18:13Speaker 2: You know. I've studied motion.
- 18:15Speaker 3: Because I'm an artist and briefly an animator, you know.
- 18:18Speaker 3: But that looks like there was something pulling him and
- 18:22Speaker 3: then he got free, and then there was recoil from
- 18:25Speaker 3: that which sent him backwards. Right, So something happened in
- 18:30Speaker 3: there to make that guy think and most likely made
- 18:34Speaker 3: him think, my colleague is about to get dragged.
- 18:38Speaker 1: Right.
- 18:40Speaker 3: No, I don't think anybody has noticed that specific at
- 18:42Speaker 3: least they haven't brought it out specifically as an important detail.
- 18:47Speaker 3: And it is a really critical detail, and I don't
- 18:50Speaker 3: think they. I don't think either on the right, certainly,
- 18:53Speaker 3: not on the left, the left, whatever, right, nobody has
- 18:56Speaker 3: stepped through this from the point of view of vulnerability
- 19:00Speaker 3: of these men and what that guy has been through,
- 19:04Speaker 3: what the what the officer who shot has been through,
- 19:08Speaker 3: because again he experienced nearly dying in that exact scenario
- 19:13Speaker 3: that it looks like his colleague was almost in right. Yeah,
- 19:18Speaker 3: But here's here is the kicker. And this is why
- 19:21Speaker 3: I think that when we step through it, when men's
- 19:23Speaker 3: rights active as step through it, we see things like this,
- 19:25Speaker 3: We see things that other people don't on either side
- 19:28Speaker 3: of the aisle. You know, you see that because you
- 19:31Speaker 3: can you can see the vulnerability. And I don't think
- 19:34Speaker 3: either side. I don't think the left or the right.
- 19:36Speaker 3: For them both the right less than the left. Of course,
- 19:41Speaker 3: men are simply heroes or villains, but not people dealing
- 19:47Speaker 3: with extremely difficult circumstances. But there is an even more
- 19:52Speaker 3: important element to this, and I'm really surprised nobody noticed
- 19:55Speaker 3: this interaction means that this was a justified use of
- 20:00Speaker 3: lethal force in terms of policy. If if if somebody
- 20:09Speaker 3: starts to accelerate while a law enforcement law enforcement officer's
- 20:15Speaker 3: arm is in their car, that is considered one hundred
- 20:19Speaker 3: use a period, a moment where lethal use is authorized.
- 20:24Speaker 3: So this is this is this is a case closed situation.
- 20:29Speaker 3: This use of lethal force was acceptable according to policy,
- 20:35Speaker 3: and it was acceptable according to US self defense doctrine.
- 20:39Speaker 3: If this if these two were civilians approaching this car
- 20:43Speaker 3: and it wouldn't matter why they put their arm in
- 20:46Speaker 3: the car, right, But he had every he had. He
- 20:49Speaker 3: was trying to give her instructions to get out of
- 20:51Speaker 3: the car, so he had probably shouldn't have, you you
- 20:54Speaker 3: might have. You might have a little bit of a
- 20:56Speaker 3: place to argue that, Yeah, that wasn't the best strategy
- 21:00Speaker 3: for him to have done, but he was within his rights.
- 21:03Speaker 3: And let's say these were two civilian men, right, and
- 21:07Speaker 3: the same exact scenario, it would be considered a self
- 21:10Speaker 3: defense killing because his arm was in her car and
- 21:16Speaker 3: she was driving off right, and that is such a
- 21:21Speaker 3: dangerous scenario that it is considered acceptable use of let
- 21:25Speaker 3: lethal force in that scenario. So there's no like, I mean,
- 21:30Speaker 3: we can go with all the narratives she's she's a terrorist,
- 21:34Speaker 3: which is plausible as far as I'm concerned, you know,
- 21:37Speaker 3: and all of this, and and that the ier being
- 21:40Speaker 3: it doesn't matter, right, it doesn't of course the narratives
- 21:44Speaker 3: on the left that the the is an unacceptable use
- 21:47Speaker 3: of force. No, it all comes down to this. This
- 21:52Speaker 3: woman was about to drag his partner colleague in a
- 21:57Speaker 3: way that he was just dragged nearly to his death, right,
- 22:02Speaker 3: and he made a split decision, and in that circumstance
- 22:06Speaker 3: it is considered acceptable to use lethal force. All right,
- 22:11Speaker 3: case Clode, Why is nobody talking about this? Right, there's
- 22:17Speaker 3: no there's no black there. It is completely black and white,
- 22:20Speaker 3: like he was well within his means, well within his
- 22:23Speaker 3: rights to do it, just because of that, and nobody
- 22:27Speaker 3: seems to be talking about it.
- 22:28Speaker 5: Why and why they're talking about from the perspective of
- 22:32Speaker 5: the guy shooting to defend himself, because in the other
- 22:36Speaker 5: video you see the car actually collide with the guy who.
- 22:39Speaker 1: Shoots, and he even doubles over and then fires. So
- 22:44Speaker 1: I think that people are looking at that because it's
- 22:46Speaker 1: a little bit more like now that we have the
- 22:49Speaker 1: I would I guess you could call it the bodycam footage,
- 22:52Speaker 1: which I can play as well. The guy who shoots.
- 22:56Speaker 1: You can see him get hit and his reaction, but
- 22:59Speaker 1: it doesn't sure.
- 23:01Speaker 3: That's the problem. The thing with this is the other
- 23:06Speaker 3: at the other angle of this, you could argue, oh,
- 23:09Speaker 3: he had room to move, which I don't think he
- 23:11Speaker 3: really did, and yes it does look terrible right and
- 23:15Speaker 3: what she did you can have you make all these
- 23:17Speaker 3: stupid arguments, but none of it matters because right there
- 23:22Speaker 3: once his arm is in the car and she starts
- 23:24Speaker 3: moving forward, He's just his partner is justified in using
- 23:28Speaker 3: lethal force to prevent it. The end, like and we
- 23:32Speaker 3: don't we can have the discussion about where he was positioned,
- 23:35Speaker 3: which is ridiculous, but you know, but it doesn't matter,
- 23:39Speaker 3: like this is this is this is the legal this
- 23:41Speaker 3: is the legal situation that this entire thing is in.
- 23:44Speaker 3: And yeah, I know people focused on him, but maybe
- 23:47Speaker 3: they focused on him because it didn't occur to him
- 23:50Speaker 3: recur to them. To walk through it through that sequence
- 23:53Speaker 3: that I walk through it with, which is look at
- 23:55Speaker 3: it from his point of view, from what he has
- 23:57Speaker 3: experienced in terms of UH reaction and vulnerability, and see
- 24:01Speaker 3: what he's seeing, right, and he's seeing the vulnerability of
- 24:05Speaker 3: his colleague to what's about to happen. Right, this guy
- 24:09Speaker 3: was not motivated by self defense. He was motivated by
- 24:13Speaker 3: defending his colleague almost guaranteed, right, Well maybe not almost guaranteed.
- 24:19Speaker 3: I can't infer entirely his mental state, but that's what
- 24:22Speaker 3: it looks like. So it doesn't matter where he was situated.
- 24:26Speaker 3: What matters is that he was defending his colleague from
- 24:28Speaker 3: being dragged from something that he had just experienced. This
- 24:32Speaker 3: man is a hero and the woman is a criminal.
- 24:37Speaker 3: The woman at the wheel, right, based on what I
- 24:41Speaker 3: am seeing, unless I'm seeing something that's completely fabricated, the
- 24:45Speaker 3: woman is not a martyr. She is somebody who put
- 24:51Speaker 3: lives in danger. She was the one with the greatest
- 24:56Speaker 3: amount potential of threat in this whole thing, right, she
- 25:00Speaker 3: had access. She was behind the wheel of a three
- 25:04Speaker 3: ton pet metal missile. She was the threatening one in
- 25:09Speaker 3: this entire scenario. And I think people they lose track
- 25:14Speaker 3: of that, and and again they don't walk through this
- 25:18Speaker 3: from the point of view of the men who are
- 25:20Speaker 3: experiencing it, and then they miss big details and yeah,
- 25:24Speaker 3: I know she was aimed for him, right apparently, And
- 25:29Speaker 3: then people are arguing, well, he could have gotten out
- 25:31Speaker 3: of the way, and there's all these points where you
- 25:34Speaker 3: can pick that particular narrative. But this is ironclad in
- 25:38Speaker 3: black and white. As soon as his arm was in
- 25:41Speaker 3: the cab and she started moving away, lethal force is used.
- 25:45Speaker 3: Is acceptable to stop that, to stop dragging, right, That's it.
- 25:51Speaker 2: That is the end.
- 25:54Speaker 3: We don't even need to have a discussion. I mean,
- 25:56Speaker 3: we don't even I mean, we can have a discussion
- 25:57Speaker 3: about how the left seems to be inciting this threat
- 26:01Speaker 3: narrative around ice that's causing situations like that. But in
- 26:05Speaker 3: terms of whether or not lethal force was acceptable in
- 26:08Speaker 3: this situation, it was. There's no way to get away
- 26:13Speaker 3: from it.
- 26:13Speaker 2: There's no argument.
- 26:15Speaker 3: You Like, again, they can argue, oh, he wasn't in
- 26:18Speaker 3: front of the car, oh whatever else, but and you
- 26:21Speaker 3: can maybe misinterpret it from different angles, but this is
- 26:25Speaker 3: you can't. There's no misinterpretation. Okay, let's keep going. We
- 26:30Speaker 3: can we can look at more.
- 26:31Speaker 1: I want to I want to show the video that
- 26:34Speaker 1: recently leaked out today of the same thing from the
- 26:38Speaker 1: perspective of one of the officers, and I want you
- 26:43Speaker 1: to see that interaction with the driver because this is
- 26:46Speaker 1: actually like relevant. Is them getting out of the car.
- 27:00Speaker 1: You see she's still driving. She's intentionally blocking their path.
- 27:03Speaker 1: That's the lady.
- 27:06Speaker 3: That's why I'm not what you think. It's okay, we
- 27:10Speaker 3: don't change.
- 27:11Speaker 1: You're getting the license plate number.
- 27:14Speaker 3: Waits every morning. Just show you know there don't be
- 27:17Speaker 3: the same plate when you come talk to us later.
- 27:19Speaker 2: That's fine. You have citizens.
- 27:24Speaker 1: Remember, the media tried to tell us that this woman
- 27:27Speaker 1: was terrified for her life. And you can see that
- 27:30Speaker 1: she's confidently and smugly just confronting him, you know, defiant, heroic.
- 27:38Speaker 1: And again I'm not happy that she was killed or anything.
- 27:41Speaker 1: I'm not, but I'm I'm trying to like break this
- 27:45Speaker 1: because it was a woman, she must have been a
- 27:47Speaker 1: victim narrative.
- 27:49Speaker 3: Yes, you think it's okay, We don't change our plates
- 27:53Speaker 3: every morning, just show you know there.
- 27:56Speaker 2: Don't be the same plate when you come talk to
- 27:57Speaker 2: us later.
- 27:58Speaker 3: That's fine. You have citizen. You want to come at us,
- 28:03Speaker 3: you want to come at us, I say, go.
- 28:05Speaker 2: Get yourself some munch big boy.
- 28:07Speaker 1: So they're like inciting, asking come after us, come after us, right,
- 28:11Speaker 1: And I'm gonna get into that in a second. Because
- 28:13Speaker 1: these people they try, especially the women. Though I was
- 28:16Speaker 1: trying to get the men riled up. They want the
- 28:18Speaker 1: men to attack them because it looks good for the cameras.
- 28:22Speaker 1: That's what they're trying to capture. That's why they have
- 28:24Speaker 1: their phones out. They're trying to antagonize on purpose. So
- 28:34Speaker 1: you see, so this woman was about to get in
- 28:37Speaker 1: the car and this chick pulled off. This is when
- 28:39Speaker 1: the shooting happens. Hits the guy holding the phone that's
- 28:42Speaker 1: the guy who shoots. You see him right there, he
- 28:49Speaker 1: doubles over, you can see his face.
- 28:52Speaker 3: Yeah, but this is a different incident, right.
- 28:55Speaker 1: No, it's the same. This is the this is the incident.
- 29:00Speaker 1: This is it. This is what happened. There's just another angle.
- 29:05Speaker 3: Wow.
- 29:08Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that's this. This is the same thing from
- 29:12Speaker 1: a different angle. And yeah, I mean I think I
- 29:19Speaker 1: think it's fair to say that he also was in
- 29:22Speaker 1: danger and this chick was ready to kill him. And
- 29:26Speaker 1: I'll say this too, if they did kill these guys,
- 29:29Speaker 1: if she killed these men, we would not know about this.
- 29:33Speaker 1: It would not go on and it wouldn't be on
- 29:35Speaker 1: the news. It wouldn't be talked about full stop. We
- 29:38Speaker 1: wouldn't know. And for all I know, people have been
- 29:42Speaker 1: killed trying to do their job. Problem, but we're not
- 29:46Speaker 1: going to hear about it because it doesn't fit the narrative.
- 29:50Speaker 3: No, No, only because these guys are alive, and only
- 29:56Speaker 3: because they defended themselves, do we know, Like I didn't
- 30:00Speaker 3: know the guy had been dragged for fifty yards and
- 30:03Speaker 3: had to get thirty stitches.
- 30:05Speaker 1: We only learned that because of this. So it was like, oh, okay,
- 30:10Speaker 1: well you see, you see what I'm saying, like, do
- 30:12Speaker 1: you understand how the narrative opens right up when it's
- 30:19Speaker 1: when it's time for these people to put out a
- 30:21Speaker 1: certain kind and then you start you have to do
- 30:23Speaker 1: some digging after that, and then you find out, oh, well,
- 30:26Speaker 1: this isn't that simple, right, No, it isn't.
- 30:29Speaker 3: Well, it's not as simple as anybody has made it
- 30:32Speaker 3: out to be, right. And like I said, you could
- 30:36Speaker 3: maybe make the argument about lethal force when she's driving
- 30:40Speaker 3: towards him, that he wasn't really in her sights or something,
- 30:45Speaker 3: but ultimately that the arm in the car thing just
- 30:49Speaker 3: made it. It's a legitimate use of lethal force the end.
- 30:52Speaker 3: And then this is all just adding layers of complicity
- 30:55Speaker 3: and malice to it.
- 30:57Speaker 1: Mm hmm.
- 30:59Speaker 3: And honestly, this woman she engaged in an attempted murder, yes, alleged,
- 31:09Speaker 3: I don't know, can we say, I mean, look at
- 31:12Speaker 3: the video footage, I'll say, an alleged attempted murder. And honestly,
- 31:16Speaker 3: if her partner doesn't end up doing time for being
- 31:21Speaker 3: an accessory, then justice will not have been served.
- 31:28Speaker 1: We'll see, I mean I hope so, but yeah, we'll see.
- 31:33Speaker 1: I got what was that?
- 31:36Speaker 3: Regardless of the narratives like.
- 31:38Speaker 1: Yeah, regardless, richardly, I gave us five dollars and says,
- 31:42Speaker 1: from what I've seen, it seems like many of these
- 31:44Speaker 1: activists engage in the magical thinking that if they just
- 31:47Speaker 1: make the right mouth sounds and the correct sequence, they
- 31:50Speaker 1: will cause law enforcement officers to just go away right
- 31:53Speaker 1: up there with so many sovereign citizen roadside traffic stops.
- 31:56Speaker 1: No matter how many times the tactic fails, there's always
- 31:59Speaker 1: someone else who will try the same thing because obviously
- 32:01Speaker 1: the previous one didn't execute it correctly. Skill issue. Okay,
- 32:08Speaker 1: thank you Richard for that comment. So uh yeah, So like, okay,
- 32:17Speaker 1: so let's talk a little bit about I want to
- 32:19Speaker 1: talk a little bit about who this is and what
- 32:21Speaker 1: this tactic is. So here's another example of incitement. And
- 32:26Speaker 1: they almost always use women for this. So this is
- 32:28Speaker 1: a different, different day, different place. This is Whipple Ice
- 32:32Speaker 1: facility and a woman screaming at men, asking the men
- 32:36Speaker 1: and ice to shoot her. And they do this because
- 32:39Speaker 1: they're hoping that you actually try something. Okay, it's a
- 32:43Speaker 1: really low volume, but she is saying shoot me, shoot me,
- 32:46Speaker 1: And it's like this old like grandma so and why
- 32:56Speaker 1: and why am I bringing this up because the purpose
- 32:59Speaker 1: of this stuff is to get people to react, and
- 33:02Speaker 1: this is a common tactic that these radical groups have
- 33:07Speaker 1: been doing for a long time. If they can get
- 33:09Speaker 1: you to take the bait, which is what they're doing. Right.
- 33:12Speaker 1: Albatross gave us five dollars super child. Thank you, Albatross.
- 33:16Speaker 1: If you meant to say something, go ahead and put
- 33:18Speaker 1: it in a comment. I'll read it.
- 33:20Speaker 3: Why the heck is the is Albatross in particular having
- 33:23Speaker 3: problems with this?
- 33:24Speaker 1: Yeah, he may have just put like a maybe yeah,
- 33:27Speaker 1: I don't know. Maybe maybe he meant.
- 33:30Speaker 3: If you put it comment and just put it in
- 33:32Speaker 3: the chat and we'll read it out.
- 33:34Speaker 1: Yeah, sorry, just put in the chat.
- 33:37Speaker 3: Okay, Okay, keep going har for interrupting.
- 33:41Speaker 1: So anyway, Yeah, this is a tactic that it's done
- 33:43Speaker 1: because what they try to do is they try to
- 33:45Speaker 1: win the hearts of people who are not involved, like
- 33:47Speaker 1: the normies that watch the news and TV and they're
- 33:50Speaker 1: on the on the internet. So when you have a
- 33:54Speaker 1: woman and then the more harmless they're perceived to be,
- 33:58Speaker 1: the better it is. Because you know, if it's like
- 34:00Speaker 1: some old lady and she's like shoot me, shoot me now,
- 34:03Speaker 1: of course, no one's gonna do it if but at
- 34:05Speaker 1: some point someone is going to respond or someone is
- 34:09Speaker 1: going to take it too far, like why we're talking
- 34:11Speaker 1: about this today, and it's they're going to get hurt
- 34:15Speaker 1: or or they're you know, or whatever, maybe even get killed.
- 34:18Speaker 1: And if that happens, then the media goes into overdrive.
- 34:21Speaker 1: The celebrities come out and basically it serves the purposes right,
- 34:26Speaker 1: and they're willing to let people get hurt or killed
- 34:28Speaker 1: for this. I mean George floyd Is he was not
- 34:30Speaker 1: an activist. He was not involved politically with anything. He
- 34:34Speaker 1: was just a guy, like a petty criminal that lived
- 34:36Speaker 1: in Minneapolis. And he died and it served it served
- 34:40Speaker 1: the the sort of activist class perfectly. And we had
- 34:45Speaker 1: we had to hear about it for years, and there
- 34:47Speaker 1: were riots and there were you know, there was grifting
- 34:51Speaker 1: and money was taken and jobs were lost and all
- 34:54Speaker 1: kinds of injuries and it went on and on, and
- 34:57Speaker 1: now it's the next thing. It's all about creating a
- 35:00Speaker 1: chaos constantly, and part of the purpose of that is
- 35:02Speaker 1: to demoralize you, guys, to make you think there's no
- 35:04Speaker 1: getting out of this. Things are only getting worse. But
- 35:07Speaker 1: I think this is a minority. I think most people
- 35:10Speaker 1: are still trying to just get on with their life,
- 35:12Speaker 1: and I think that this particular incident is not going
- 35:15Speaker 1: to have the same impact as the George Floyd thing did.
- 35:19Speaker 1: But so like this woman, he was part of an
- 35:23Speaker 1: organization called Immigrant Defense Project, which will specifically ICE watch,
- 35:29Speaker 1: and ice Watch has a map, like a roadmap of
- 35:33Speaker 1: places where ICE facilities are and where they're sort of
- 35:37Speaker 1: like hotspots, and what they do is they go to
- 35:39Speaker 1: those places and they cause disruption, they block the roads.
- 35:43Speaker 1: They you know, think about like any other videos you've
- 35:45Speaker 1: seen of a climate activist sitting on highways or going
- 35:50Speaker 1: into museums and like defacing art or something like that.
- 35:54Speaker 1: I mean that, you know, that's a that's another example.
- 35:57Speaker 1: But these are these people do the same thing, but
- 35:58Speaker 1: they're specifically tasks with making ICE's life a living hell
- 36:03Speaker 1: for as long as they're trying to get their work done.
- 36:06Speaker 1: Even though again, this is all something that people voted
- 36:08Speaker 1: for and I shouldn't even have to be on here
- 36:10Speaker 1: defending that because we voted for it and should just
- 36:12Speaker 1: be getting done. But of course they have to make
- 36:14Speaker 1: it political because what they do and this woman. And
- 36:20Speaker 1: again this isn't necessarily reflecting on anything, but her partner
- 36:24Speaker 1: is the other woman that was in the car with her,
- 36:26Speaker 1: and the media is making her sound like a victim.
- 36:30Speaker 1: You know, they're using everything in their quiver, as it were.
- 36:34Speaker 1: She's female, she's a lesbian, she has children, which I
- 36:39Speaker 1: think only reflects on her, if anything, for her to
- 36:42Speaker 1: go over here and do this stuff when she has
- 36:44Speaker 1: kids to raise, and you know, all of this other
- 36:48Speaker 1: stuff like, oh, how could you do this? You guys
- 36:50Speaker 1: are monsters. She was a poet, didn't you know? And
- 36:55Speaker 1: this is all obviously to paint this kind of picture.
- 36:59Speaker 1: And here's an article from the New York Post Renee
- 37:03Speaker 1: Nicole Good was Minneapolis ice Watch warrior who trained to
- 37:07Speaker 1: resist Feds before shooting. So this is like what they do.
- 37:11Speaker 1: This is not She's not just a bystander. She's not innocent.
- 37:15Speaker 1: She knew what she was doing. She was a grown
- 37:16Speaker 1: ass woman. She left her kids somewhere to go do this,
- 37:20Speaker 1: and she never came back home and that's a shame.
- 37:23Speaker 1: But yeah, she's not an innocent bystander in any of
- 37:26Speaker 1: this stuff. And this kind of agitation is not new.
- 37:30Speaker 1: But I can come back to that a little bit later.
- 37:34Speaker 3: Well, the other thing that when you're putting yourself in
- 37:37Speaker 3: scenarios like there's there's appropriate resistance. I think that, for example,
- 37:44Speaker 3: what the truck protest in Canada was doing was very
- 37:49Speaker 3: peaceful and didn't involve anything like this. And then there's
- 37:54Speaker 3: putting yourself in harms and yet they still got forcibly
- 37:58Speaker 3: shut down. And then there's putting yourself in harm's way
- 38:01Speaker 3: like this, like deliberately putting yourself in a circumstance where
- 38:05Speaker 3: you are in a position where lethal force is acceptable
- 38:11Speaker 3: to use. Right that that's what she was doing. And again,
- 38:16Speaker 3: if this hadn't been an ice officer, if this had
- 38:19Speaker 3: just been a man or a woman, two women, two men,
- 38:25Speaker 3: what it's two civilians in this situation, they would have
- 38:29Speaker 3: had every right to respond to her with le lethal
- 38:33Speaker 3: lethaland force in the US for what she did, what
- 38:37Speaker 3: was happening. Okay, so this isn't even defending ice. It's
- 38:41Speaker 3: basically defending people's right to self defense and no offense.
- 38:46Speaker 3: But ice officers also have a right to self defense.
- 38:50Speaker 3: They're not just props you can write your narratives on.
- 38:53Speaker 3: They're actual people, actual men, you know, who are dealing
- 38:57Speaker 3: with a lot of craft, And yeah, I think I
- 39:02Speaker 3: assume that there's somebody on the left who came into
- 39:05Speaker 3: the normal chat and said the flame fifty nine to nineteen.
- 39:11Speaker 3: Ice being the right is pure technicality. You all know what.
- 39:15Speaker 3: ICE operating like this in the first place is also
- 39:17Speaker 3: wrong to wrongs create even more wrong. It's all demoralizing.
- 39:22Speaker 3: Is ICE's operations that significantly different than what they were.
- 39:27Speaker 3: I remember somebody was concerned about a deportation that they
- 39:32Speaker 3: felt was illegal, and I'm like, and then there was
- 39:36Speaker 3: all this narrative from both sides, and I'm like, well, yeah,
- 39:39Speaker 3: you want to have oversight, right, you don't want to
- 39:42Speaker 3: deport actual US citizens, And if there is, like if
- 39:47Speaker 3: they have overreached, you should have channels to redress it.
- 39:51Speaker 3: That's good. But it seemed like there was no position
- 39:55Speaker 3: where you could take where Enforcing immigration is something a
- 40:01Speaker 3: state needs to do in order to survive, especially if
- 40:06Speaker 3: it wants to offer any kind of services to the
- 40:10Speaker 3: to its citizens. Like if if if we were in
- 40:13Speaker 3: I don't know, and Kapistan and there was absolutely no
- 40:18Speaker 3: like no no taxes, nobody paid anything, and no services.
- 40:22Speaker 3: You know, maybe you could just have people flowing in
- 40:24Speaker 3: and out right, because there's not there's not going to
- 40:27Speaker 3: be an issue with uh, with someone appropriating resources that
- 40:32Speaker 3: the native born citizens have paid for. Nor is there
- 40:36Speaker 3: gonna be a situation where the state goes bankrupt doing
- 40:38Speaker 3: that right and there, and then there's also no incentive
- 40:41Speaker 3: for vote farming really, so yeah, you can do that,
- 40:45Speaker 3: but we don't live in that kind of a situation.
- 40:48Speaker 3: Either the US or Canada live in a situation where
- 40:51Speaker 3: there are comprehensive services for citizens. So if you bring
- 40:55Speaker 3: people in who aren't services, aren't citizens, you know they're
- 40:59Speaker 3: going to appropriate those services unless you have really strict control.
- 41:03Speaker 3: So it's a situation where you have to have, like
- 41:05Speaker 3: a state has to control immigration into itself. And that's
- 41:08Speaker 3: not even getting into all of the issues in terms
- 41:12Speaker 3: of different cultural expectations and moral frameworks because you know,
- 41:19Speaker 3: I know this is really difficult for people who were
- 41:21Speaker 3: born and raised in weird cultures, right, Not everybody has
- 41:26Speaker 3: the same general ethical schema as worth Western and Northern
- 41:32Speaker 3: Europeans and those in their descendants. Just saying we're not
- 41:36Speaker 3: our baseline not something that everybody buys into, which is
- 41:42Speaker 3: funny because you know, the people who are pro immigrat
- 41:45Speaker 3: or not pro pro illegal immigration, basically would argue that
- 41:50Speaker 3: they are different, but only in good ways, not necessarily
- 41:53Speaker 3: in the bad ways that might be incompatible with a
- 41:56Speaker 3: weird culture. So there's, you know, not even getting into that.
- 41:59Speaker 3: There's all kinds of issues that uncontrolled immigration causes, you know,
- 42:06Speaker 3: and we're also seeing increases, decreases in wages, increases in
- 42:10Speaker 3: standards of living, all of that stuff. So a state
- 42:13Speaker 3: that wants to remain in existence has to be able
- 42:17Speaker 3: to control immigration into itself. Right, That's a non negotiable.
- 42:22Speaker 3: It's basically like sewers and other forms of infrastructure. It's
- 42:26Speaker 3: a non negotiable. And we can discuss how that should
- 42:28Speaker 3: be taken, how we should conduct ourselves while that's being done,
- 42:34Speaker 3: but it's a non negotiable that it has to happen.
- 42:37Speaker 3: And if you are somebody who does not understand that,
- 42:42Speaker 3: you realistically can't be part of the discussion. Right. If
- 42:45Speaker 3: you can't come into the discussion understanding that immigration as
- 42:49Speaker 3: an essential function of a controlling immigration is an essential
- 42:54Speaker 3: function of a society unless you're willing to embrace pure
- 42:58Speaker 3: end capistani, and I don't think most of you are
- 43:01Speaker 3: who are this pro illegal immigration unless you can understand that,
- 43:05Speaker 3: you're always going to bring a framework into the discussion
- 43:09Speaker 3: that anything ICE does is illegitimate, right, anything a Homeland
- 43:14Speaker 3: Security does is illegitimate. I mean not just getting rid
- 43:18Speaker 3: of a completely harmless female men's rights activist who's just
- 43:21Speaker 3: trying to put on a goddamn convention. You know that
- 43:24Speaker 3: that we can have a discussion about that. That that's
- 43:27Speaker 3: you know, but anything Homeland Security it does is wrong, right,
- 43:33Speaker 3: is wrong? And yeah, I bring that up because it's
- 43:36Speaker 3: funny because I can understand that right. I can understand
- 43:39Speaker 3: that the US has every right to patrol its borders
- 43:42Speaker 3: and determine who who decides who is allowed to be
- 43:46Speaker 3: in their borders. While being individually upset that I feel
- 43:51Speaker 3: like that wasn't applied justly in my case, but yet
- 43:54Speaker 3: the US does have a right right. Okay, they have
- 43:59Speaker 3: the right to me out. I think it was wrong,
- 44:01Speaker 3: but you know, they have the right to do that.
- 44:03Speaker 3: They have the right to maintain their borders. They have
- 44:06Speaker 3: the right to export people who come in illegally for
- 44:09Speaker 3: no whatever reason, like it does. They don't have to
- 44:12Speaker 3: be rapists and child molesters and criminals and part of cartels.
- 44:17Speaker 3: If you're there illegally, you're there illegally, you're the country
- 44:22Speaker 3: where you're occupying illegally has a right to remove you
- 44:26Speaker 3: the end. So anybody who can't understand that can't have
- 44:31Speaker 3: a reasonable discussion about this. And for those of you
- 44:35Speaker 3: who are you know, men's rights adjacent or interested in
- 44:38Speaker 3: the issues that we talk about, I think you need
- 44:41Speaker 3: to have a real good funk, a good long thunk
- 44:45Speaker 3: about why you have a problem with things like immigrant
- 44:48Speaker 3: of immigration policy or anti illegal immigration policy, right, Why
- 44:54Speaker 3: you have a problem with that? And also generally if
- 44:57Speaker 3: you have a problem with that, you usually also have
- 45:00Speaker 3: a problem with the police. Right, So why do you
- 45:03Speaker 3: have a problem with that particular manifestation of what is
- 45:09Speaker 3: essentially a male drive. And this is where I'm going
- 45:12Speaker 3: to get into the men's issues thing. Men police other men, right,
- 45:18Speaker 3: They police them for their illegal behavior. They're unleftical behavior,
- 45:22Speaker 3: they're moral behavior, their behavior that's antisocial, even their behavior
- 45:26Speaker 3: that isn't pro socially providing and protecting for others. Men
- 45:30Speaker 3: police men. Ice is policing men also women, as we
- 45:34Speaker 3: see here, which is probably why this is blown up, right,
- 45:38Speaker 3: because it's ice policing women and engaging in lethal force
- 45:42Speaker 3: when a woman is being very very dangerous, let's say, and.
- 45:48Speaker 1: Teazing on an opportunity. There have probably been lots of
- 45:50Speaker 1: videos of you know, like ice arrests that have maybe
- 45:56Speaker 1: gotten spicy or whatever. But this because they're involved a
- 46:00Speaker 1: woman that you could paint as a you know, simple
- 46:04Speaker 1: normy passerby. That's why it got legs and went as
- 46:08Speaker 1: far as it did.
- 46:11Speaker 3: I'm seeing a lot of pain in the in the
- 46:13Speaker 3: the other lesbian woman's face there.
- 46:17Speaker 1: I don't know where that was at least, that's just
- 46:18Speaker 1: like the female version of the soy face. But I
- 46:22Speaker 1: got a Albatross got back to us with his comment
- 46:25Speaker 1: let me just read it, and then he sent a
- 46:27Speaker 1: super chat with the same thing. So you didn't have
- 46:29Speaker 1: to do that thing, But thank you, Albatross. He says,
- 46:31Speaker 1: this incident reminds me of previous episodes where y'all said
- 46:34Speaker 1: that women don't really take violence, their violence unto men
- 46:37Speaker 1: very seriously because they're mostly sheltered from it, so they
- 46:40Speaker 1: never FAFO. Yes, that's what I'm That's what I'm saying.
- 46:44Speaker 1: Like the like the when Antifa protests are going on
- 46:49Speaker 1: and look just for the for the record, I'm not
- 46:52Speaker 1: My goal is not to make this political, but I'm
- 46:55Speaker 1: just looking at observable reality. When there are riots and
- 46:58Speaker 1: there are violent protests, they are usually leftist ones. Sorry,
- 47:03Speaker 1: like the truckers weren't burning down buildings. They were just right.
- 47:08Speaker 3: They weren't left or right, honestly, no, but they were
- 47:11Speaker 3: just tired.
- 47:12Speaker 5: Yeah.
- 47:12Speaker 1: Well maybe not Allison. But again, those guys don't get
- 47:16Speaker 1: to decide where they get framed. Justin Trudeau framed them.
- 47:19Speaker 1: He called them Nazis and white supremacists. Guess what that means.
- 47:23Speaker 1: They're on the right. They get debated. It doesn't matter
- 47:27Speaker 1: what they call themselves, it's what they get labeled. That's
- 47:30Speaker 1: what I'm sorry. Well, number one, you don't get to
- 47:32Speaker 1: decide what you are the people who are trying to
- 47:34Speaker 1: destroy your life to and they just do that and
- 47:36Speaker 1: they act on that. You can't convince them. Hey, guys,
- 47:38Speaker 1: I'm one of you. I just don't agree with this
- 47:40Speaker 1: thing with I Guess what, you're not one of us
- 47:42Speaker 1: because you do agree with this thing right. So anyway,
- 47:46Speaker 1: I'm getting off track. It's usually women at the front,
- 47:51Speaker 1: and they do this as part of their tactic. Because
- 47:54Speaker 1: they operate under the presumption and I don't think it's
- 47:57Speaker 1: an inaccurate one that as women not going to get
- 48:00Speaker 1: the shit kicked out of them because it doesn't look good.
- 48:03Speaker 1: And if somebody does try to kick the shit out
- 48:05Speaker 1: of them or or man handle them or throw them aside,
- 48:08Speaker 1: it's kind of like those fights that women start in public,
- 48:11Speaker 1: so that if the man reacts and everyone else sees it,
- 48:13Speaker 1: they immediately activate. Right, that's exactly what they're counting on.
- 48:17Speaker 1: So yes, albatross, you're right, that's that. That's and sometimes
- 48:22Speaker 1: it does. There are consequences, you know, there is sort
- 48:26Speaker 1: of thing as FAFO or equal rights, equal lefts or whatever.
- 48:30Speaker 1: But unfortunately, we still live in a time in history
- 48:34Speaker 1: where if a man does, even to protect himself hurt
- 48:39Speaker 1: a woman, then everyone is going to descend on the
- 48:42Speaker 1: man and they're going to immediately ignore whatever the woman
- 48:44Speaker 1: was doing.
- 48:45Speaker 3: Yep. So yeah, yes, indeed, Ultimately, what I'm trying to
- 48:51Speaker 3: bring up is the if this was an acceptable use
- 48:54Speaker 3: of force, it was according to policy, and I mean
- 48:59Speaker 3: I could so, and we don't even have to look
- 49:03Speaker 3: at we don't even have to argue about where he
- 49:05Speaker 3: was positioned, where his feet were, it was an acceptable
- 49:09Speaker 3: use of force when he his partner or colleague reached in.
- 49:17Speaker 2: Okay.
- 49:18Speaker 3: So the key overlooked fact is that at the critical moment,
- 49:21Speaker 3: one ice officer's arm is inside the suv while the
- 49:25Speaker 3: driver begins to move the vehicle forward. Under standard US
- 49:29Speaker 3: use of force doctrine, a moving vehicle with an officer's
- 49:31Speaker 3: limb in side is a textbook lethal threat scenario because
- 49:35Speaker 3: of the risk of dragging or crushing, which makes deadly
- 49:38Speaker 3: force generally considered objectively reasonable at that point. Why this
- 49:44Speaker 3: makes the shooting legally justified. Once she moves the car
- 49:48Speaker 3: with his arm in the cab, the legal question is
- 49:50Speaker 3: not whether she actually hits or drags him or the
- 49:53Speaker 3: other officer, but whether a reasonable person in Ross's position
- 49:57Speaker 3: would fear imminent death or serious injury to himself or
- 50:00Speaker 3: his colleague, which he obviously did.
- 50:03Speaker 2: And again.
- 50:05Speaker 3: Right here you can also put some emotional motive. This
- 50:08Speaker 3: is exactly the scenario that nearly killed me. Right, Okay,
- 50:15Speaker 3: By that standard, and even setting inside perfect imperfect tactics
- 50:18Speaker 3: before that moment, you conclude that this was a legitimate
- 50:21Speaker 3: use You can conclude that this was a legitimate use
- 50:24Speaker 3: of force lethal force. If two civilians were in the
- 50:27Speaker 3: same configuration, the same self defense logic would apply. Narratives
- 50:34Speaker 3: versus male vulnerability. You see the dominant framings. Ice executed
- 50:38Speaker 3: an inostant observer on the left and terrorists tried to
- 50:42Speaker 3: run over agents on the right. Both of these I
- 50:46Speaker 3: think missed the core. Two men in a lethal bind,
- 50:49Speaker 3: one trying to protect the other, right, and all of it.
- 50:53Speaker 3: There is no argument now, and there shouldn't be, right,
- 50:56Speaker 3: There's no argument now this was an acceptable use of
- 50:59Speaker 3: lethal force. Now we can talk about who is putting
- 51:03Speaker 3: people in this situation. Who is constructing this mess, right,
- 51:08Speaker 3: who is constructing this chaos that can turn lethal at
- 51:13Speaker 3: a moment's notice. Okay, m hm, left wing i's fascist
- 51:22Speaker 3: threat narratives are creating the mental environment in which she
- 51:26Speaker 3: was present, non compliant and prime to see agents as
- 51:30Speaker 3: existentially dangerous, raising the probability of a panicked, lethal looking move,
- 51:35Speaker 3: or even a calculated lethal move, which is starting to
- 51:40Speaker 3: that that's starting to emerge. Isn't it that this wasn't
- 51:44Speaker 3: just panicked, This was calculated. This was a calculated move
- 51:50Speaker 3: potentially at the same time, okay, you know, at the
- 51:56Speaker 3: same time, I feel like we lose something when we
- 51:59Speaker 3: take this incident and use it as fuel for more
- 52:05Speaker 3: political narratives on either side while admitting like this, this
- 52:09Speaker 3: this the reason why this is happening, the reason why
- 52:13Speaker 3: this is getting so high, like that the energy is
- 52:17Speaker 3: so what is the way to frame that?
- 52:20Speaker 2: Brian?
- 52:20Speaker 3: You know, it's just like something's in the air, like
- 52:23Speaker 3: things are just getting really dangerous, and do you know
- 52:29Speaker 3: how to frame that pitch? Yeah, reaching a fever pitch.
- 52:34Speaker 3: The reason why this is happening is because of this
- 52:38Speaker 3: rhetoric around ice and immigration. And again, what I was
- 52:42Speaker 3: trying to get at before the Albatross super chowd was
- 52:47Speaker 3: this is like, this is this is a reaction to
- 52:53Speaker 3: what men do. Like let's let's bring it down and
- 52:56Speaker 3: look at it from the point of view of things
- 53:00Speaker 3: things that are like evolution. Men are evolutionarily wired, behaviorally
- 53:04Speaker 3: wired to.
- 53:04Speaker 2: Do and this is one of them.
- 53:07Speaker 3: Police borders, police the people inside borders, and this is
- 53:12Speaker 3: this is something that men do that is absolutely critical
- 53:15Speaker 3: for the maintenance of society and every capacity. We wouldn't
- 53:19Speaker 3: have societies if we didn't have men making sure that
- 53:22Speaker 3: you know, they weren't they weren't being invaded, and they
- 53:27Speaker 3: weren't full of criminals taking advantage of people who are
- 53:32Speaker 3: just trying to get by, right, And this is particularly
- 53:35Speaker 3: a male thing, and you know it's a male thing
- 53:38Speaker 3: because feminists and other women who believe that the world
- 53:42Speaker 3: would be better if it was run by women think
- 53:46Speaker 3: that this behavior by men, well, they explicitly recognize it
- 53:50Speaker 3: as masculine, and they think if they stop it, somehow
- 53:54Speaker 3: a utopia will fall out, that somehow men's policing is
- 53:57Speaker 3: what's causing criminals, men's leasing is what's carousing illegal immigrants.
- 54:02Speaker 3: Men's policing is what's causing.
- 54:04Speaker 2: The huns to be at your gate.
- 54:07Speaker 3: It's like, no, and not just that that ability and
- 54:12Speaker 3: desire to police goes beyond other human beings into the world,
- 54:17Speaker 3: like going into the world and making infrastructure, even at
- 54:21Speaker 3: the risk of self. You know, it's all sort of
- 54:24Speaker 3: the same thing. And what's interesting to me is that,
- 54:28Speaker 3: in particular, the left's narrative here is calling out and
- 54:36Speaker 3: framing is terroristic something that men do.
- 54:40Speaker 2: Do you get what I'm saying, Brian?
- 54:43Speaker 3: And it seems very consistent with this idea that the
- 54:45Speaker 3: future's female and we're going to construct a utopia out
- 54:51Speaker 3: of feminine impulses, which I don't think that's happening. But anyway,
- 54:55Speaker 3: what we have here is this entire complex of of
- 55:01Speaker 3: condemnation and threat narrativing, and it has constructed a situation
- 55:07Speaker 3: where people like this think it's sensible to go and
- 55:14Speaker 3: put ICE agents at physical risk, right, and and.
- 55:20Speaker 1: That's even sufficiently dehumanized too. So it's a really short trip.
- 55:26Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a very short trip. And there are men
- 55:28Speaker 3: doing something that men do. That's what I'm getting at.
- 55:31Speaker 3: So ICE agents are men. They're doing something that men
- 55:36Speaker 3: do that is explicitly masculine, which is policing norms, policing borders, okay, policing,
- 55:47Speaker 3: and they're also being framed as doing it against the vulnerable.
- 55:51Speaker 3: So yeah, it's a very short trip. Yeah, it's a
- 55:55Speaker 3: very short trip for men in this situation, and it's
- 56:00Speaker 3: appalling that there's a group of people that is doing it.
- 56:05Speaker 3: There's one thing to make sure, like I said before,
- 56:09Speaker 3: it's one.
- 56:09Speaker 2: Thing to have oversight.
- 56:11Speaker 3: There's one thing to make sure that you know, procedures
- 56:13Speaker 3: are followed, you know, and that this isn't an excess
- 56:17Speaker 3: use of force. But honestly, while I'm very sympathetic to oversight.
- 56:24Speaker 1: I don't.
- 56:25Speaker 3: I can't often can't figure out what's going on here.
- 56:28Speaker 3: All I see is a group of people building up
- 56:31Speaker 3: this giant threat narrative against men who are trying to
- 56:36Speaker 3: do a job. Okay, And I see that the group
- 56:40Speaker 3: of people that are building up this threat narrative generally
- 56:43Speaker 3: seem to dislike men a lot. You know what I mean, Brian,
- 56:47Speaker 3: It's like they just really don't like men. They don't
- 56:50Speaker 3: like what men do, they don't like women being in
- 56:53Speaker 3: relationships with men. They just don't like it. They really
- 56:56Speaker 3: don't like it. So is this the one moment where
- 57:00Speaker 3: right about men and a group of men who are
- 57:02Speaker 3: doing something that men do? This? Is this like the
- 57:06Speaker 3: clock is right two times or twice a day kind
- 57:09Speaker 3: of situation or are they once again just condemning something
- 57:13Speaker 3: because it's a bunch of men doing it and it's
- 57:15Speaker 3: something that men do. Huh like? And yeah, I'm pretty sure.
- 57:23Speaker 3: And then the other thing is that what's happening on
- 57:25Speaker 3: the side of the left, Like why is there all
- 57:29Speaker 3: of these people who are so open to doing stuff
- 57:32Speaker 3: like this? And it's not just lesbian couples, it's a
- 57:36Speaker 3: lot of young men too, who are no doubt going
- 57:39Speaker 3: to battle against the evil orcy icy horse forces, you know,
- 57:43Speaker 3: the evil ice orcs. And so where's that coming from?
- 57:48Speaker 3: And I think, if I could make an overall prognostication again,
- 57:53Speaker 3: I think it's coming from the same place that the
- 57:55Speaker 3: threat narrative is coming from, this condemnation of men. Right,
- 57:59Speaker 3: you have this whole narrative that the society has been
- 58:02Speaker 3: laboring under that men oppress women for their own benefit, which, well,
- 58:08Speaker 3: what happens to people's relationships with each other? When? When
- 58:11Speaker 3: when that is the predominant narrative, when men oppress women,
- 58:16Speaker 3: You can't you can't be a woman and be in
- 58:18Speaker 3: a relationship with a man. He's going to oppress you. Right,
- 58:22Speaker 3: you can't be a man wanting to be in a
- 58:24Speaker 3: relationship with a woman. What's that? That's oppression. That's the
- 58:26Speaker 3: worst thing ever. So it's like destroys people's relationships with
- 58:30Speaker 3: each other, destroys their relationships with themselves, destroys their identities,
- 58:35Speaker 3: and it also destroys the process what drives people to
- 58:39Speaker 3: participate in the collective project that is civilization, which is
- 58:44Speaker 3: you know, a man, a young man meets a young woman,
- 58:47Speaker 3: they get together, they want to have a family, they
- 58:49Speaker 3: want to produce or create some kind of life together,
- 58:52Speaker 3: you know, and then they start building. Well that's where
- 58:55Speaker 3: where where does that impulse go to define yourself through
- 58:59Speaker 3: your productivity?
- 59:01Speaker 1: Right?
- 59:01Speaker 3: Where does that go in this system? It's completely delegitimized.
- 59:05Speaker 3: So where do these people find a positive identity? What
- 59:09Speaker 3: will they find it in these narratives that they can
- 59:12Speaker 3: go be heroes, they can both go be modern day
- 59:16Speaker 3: era Gorn swinging their sword against the icy orcs like,
- 59:20Speaker 3: that's where they find it. And so the left has
- 59:24Speaker 3: constructed the narrative that manufactures its own troops. Mm hmm.
- 59:33Speaker 3: I don't know, it's just so yeah, okay, I'm just
- 59:35Speaker 3: putting that out there. If you can push back, if
- 59:37Speaker 3: you want, Brian on anything, I've said.
- 59:41Speaker 1: No, it's fine. I mean I think the men everywhere
- 59:44Speaker 1: are just looking for a place where they can be
- 59:46Speaker 1: like essentially see a heroic narrative, and leftism looks appealing
- 59:51Speaker 1: to some, so they go with that, even though they're
- 59:53Speaker 1: not aware that those people hate them. Richard bie I
- 59:57Speaker 1: gave us a super chow.
- 59:58Speaker 2: What well, they.
- 1:00:02Speaker 3: They're more interested like they hating men for a lot
- 1:00:06Speaker 3: of men is very abstract compared to being the one
- 1:00:09Speaker 3: good man, which is very concrete like and in fact,
- 1:00:13Speaker 3: how can you be the one good man? No?
- 1:00:15Speaker 1: You you can be the man that isn't like the
- 1:00:17Speaker 1: other men?
- 1:00:17Speaker 3: Yes, how can you be the one good man swinging
- 1:00:20Speaker 3: your sword against the ice orcs if you don't recognize
- 1:00:25Speaker 3: that all other men are lesser and immoral, and it's
- 1:00:29Speaker 3: like it's a precondition. The The only guys who get
- 1:00:32Speaker 3: away from that are guys who actually don't regard other men.
- 1:00:37Speaker 3: They don't, they don't, they don't believe it when they're
- 1:00:39Speaker 3: when the people say, hey, other men are terrible people,
- 1:00:43Speaker 3: and they're like, no, well I'm not. And the men
- 1:00:45Speaker 3: I know aren't you know, And but you know, those
- 1:00:48Speaker 3: guys are apparently very very few and far between. But
- 1:00:52Speaker 3: go ahead, go do the super super child.
- 1:00:54Speaker 1: For Richard Berre, he gave us five and he says
- 1:00:56Speaker 1: a thing about the truckers in Canada is that when
- 1:00:59Speaker 1: the skull crackers were deployed, they all went in with
- 1:01:02Speaker 1: no identifying markings on their uniforms. Yes, and then tell them.
- 1:01:08Speaker 1: Nar gave us twenty dollars and five hundred, so thank you.
- 1:01:13Speaker 1: Tell Nar, really appreciate that.
- 1:01:17Speaker 3: What I'm just trying to figure out where the heck
- 1:01:20Speaker 3: he put the t I didn't think that went.
- 1:01:22Speaker 1: And he said, I'm surprised, astonished, nay, gobsmacked that a
- 1:01:28Speaker 1: pair of far left women operating on an ideological basis
- 1:01:31Speaker 1: made a foolish decision. Yes, my gobs have also been smacked,
- 1:01:34Speaker 1: My foundeds have been dumbed, my drops have been thundered,
- 1:01:40Speaker 1: my uh my gas died, my flabbers are gasted. All right, anyway,
- 1:01:50Speaker 1: thank you for that. I think that's all of the
- 1:01:54Speaker 1: super chats and super child to support.
- 1:01:57Speaker 3: Eight managed to support a fundraiser that isn't open. This
- 1:02:02Speaker 3: is like an existential How did you do that?
- 1:02:06Speaker 1: Sir?
- 1:02:08Speaker 2: Wow, that's thank you for.
- 1:02:10Speaker 3: That generous support to a fundraiser that isn't open. I
- 1:02:15Speaker 3: would like to know how you did that.
- 1:02:18Speaker 1: That's interesting? Is there? Somebody said, is fu but exhausting.
- 1:02:25Speaker 1: Look I'm not trying. Look, I was never trying to
- 1:02:27Speaker 1: make this about politics. I was trying to talk about
- 1:02:30Speaker 1: the female female dynamic. Yeah, that the political part of
- 1:02:35Speaker 1: this is inavoidable, because feminism is inherently political, even if
- 1:02:39Speaker 1: it's facing emotion and all that. But and it's like
- 1:02:43Speaker 1: a giant financial drift and it's a power grab, but
- 1:02:46Speaker 1: it does operate in that sphere as well, so you
- 1:02:50Speaker 1: end up having to like address it on some level,
- 1:02:52Speaker 1: but I'd rather not do that.
- 1:02:54Speaker 2: You know, Well, let me put it this way.
- 1:02:56Speaker 3: Okay, this entire ideal idea industrial complex that is feminism.
- 1:03:04Speaker 3: It constructs the preconditions for these kind of radical foot
- 1:03:13Speaker 3: soldiers and also the single people who end up.
- 1:03:17Speaker 2: Overwhelmingly voting Democrat.
- 1:03:20Speaker 3: So it's sort of it's sort of terriforming the social
- 1:03:23Speaker 3: sphere to its liking. And it's I know that it
- 1:03:29Speaker 3: is very political in a way, and I know that
- 1:03:32Speaker 3: this is sometimes really I know that I'm trying to
- 1:03:34Speaker 3: convey something that can be very difficult to understand, but
- 1:03:38Speaker 3: it is. It is just it is what it is
- 1:03:40Speaker 3: it all. And the thing is that this is why
- 1:03:42Speaker 3: I say that it's it is political, but it doesn't
- 1:03:47Speaker 3: really have ethics, if that makes sense. It doesn't really
- 1:03:52Speaker 3: have principles. I still see that there are principles related.
- 1:03:56Speaker 1: To what I don't think politics have to have principle.
- 1:04:00Speaker 1: A lot of time they're just means of exerting power,
- 1:04:03Speaker 1: and they could be yeah, that well, most politics in
- 1:04:07Speaker 1: the world are just tribes. Like that's what most of
- 1:04:11Speaker 1: it is. We're the ones that are fortunate enough to
- 1:04:13Speaker 1: have a kind of post enlightenment set up. But like,
- 1:04:16Speaker 1: there are people who have lost elections in Minnesota who
- 1:04:20Speaker 1: are Somali and they lost even in a majority Somali
- 1:04:24Speaker 1: community because he was in the wrong Somali ark tribe
- 1:04:27Speaker 1: and there was an opposing tribe even though they're from
- 1:04:29Speaker 1: the same country and they look the same. And you know,
- 1:04:32Speaker 1: normally people vote like that along racial lines. They're like, no,
- 1:04:35Speaker 1: he's in a bad tribe, we're not voting for him,
- 1:04:37Speaker 1: and he didn't win. So, like, I think, just as
- 1:04:40Speaker 1: an aside, like most people are tribal, Like we're lucky,
- 1:04:45Speaker 1: but even then there's a lot of tribalism here as well.
- 1:04:48Speaker 3: Well we're getting ideological tribalism.
- 1:04:51Speaker 1: And yeah, it's well, same thing. It doesn't matter, Like it's.
- 1:04:54Speaker 3: Almost this this this sort of complex, this idea industrial complex. Basically,
- 1:05:01Speaker 3: the feminist one is its own kind of self supporting tribe, right,
- 1:05:06Speaker 3: and its approach to politics is incredibly tribal. It's it's
- 1:05:11Speaker 3: a destruction of the things that make a society productive.
- 1:05:16Speaker 3: But at the same time as it manufactures its own
- 1:05:18Speaker 3: voting base, it manufactures its own foot sholdiers. And I
- 1:05:21Speaker 3: don't think it really reflects the kind of politics that
- 1:05:25Speaker 3: are healthy in a society. So it's came from the left,
- 1:05:31Speaker 3: it came from liberals, but I don't think it is
- 1:05:36Speaker 3: those kinds of ethics because I still think there is
- 1:05:39Speaker 3: a space for you know, openness, self doubt, and all
- 1:05:44Speaker 3: of the liberal principles that are good that they don't have.
- 1:05:49Speaker 3: They've just been they've just metastasized into this political tribe
- 1:05:53Speaker 3: that perpetuates itself and seeks power and clout and money.
- 1:05:56Speaker 3: And that's what it is at this point. And it
- 1:05:59Speaker 3: has an enemy, and it has its threat narratives, and
- 1:06:02Speaker 3: it doesn't really have principles because principles you might have
- 1:06:06Speaker 3: to extend to the enemy, See what I mean?
- 1:06:09Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, all right, So.
- 1:06:14Speaker 1: I wanted to talk a little bit about back to this. So,
- 1:06:20Speaker 1: first of all, her children apparently she has kids, or
- 1:06:26Speaker 1: at least a kid. Maybe it's just a kid, let
- 1:06:30Speaker 1: me see here. Yeah, So she has a child, and
- 1:06:36Speaker 1: her child attends a charter school, and I wanted to
- 1:06:39Speaker 1: show you guys to charter school a little bit so
- 1:06:42Speaker 1: this is like our mission. The south Side Family sent
- 1:06:45Speaker 1: Charter School is a small K through five school that
- 1:06:48Speaker 1: meets the needs of culturally and ethnically diverse population by
- 1:06:51Speaker 1: engaging children in critical thinking and problem solving, involving children
- 1:06:55Speaker 1: in political and social activism, encouraging creative expression, offering a
- 1:06:59Speaker 1: wide range of activities, and advocating for children and families.
- 1:07:03Speaker 1: So it goes on. But it's basically a social justice
- 1:07:07Speaker 1: education charter school for children. And I think her she
- 1:07:12Speaker 1: might be a teacher there, but don't quote me on that.
- 1:07:14Speaker 1: I just know that her child attends it. And I'm
- 1:07:16Speaker 1: doing this to paint a picture of like what where
- 1:07:19Speaker 1: this woman's brain is at or where a head is
- 1:07:21Speaker 1: at on stuff. And so she's part of this group
- 1:07:25Speaker 1: called Ice Watch. I guess her brother in law in
- 1:07:27Speaker 1: like an in like another interview, was like against her
- 1:07:31Speaker 1: going up there and doing this. Her she's from Missouri,
- 1:07:35Speaker 1: so like her vehicle has Missouri plates her SUV and
- 1:07:39Speaker 1: she drove all the way up to Minneapolis. You guys
- 1:07:41Speaker 1: don't know Missouri is like on the south. I believe
- 1:07:43Speaker 1: it's a southern state and Minneapolis is like bordering the
- 1:07:47Speaker 1: bordering Canada. I believe. So, yeah, she drove up there
- 1:07:52Speaker 1: to do this, and she's very she was very committed
- 1:07:56Speaker 1: to the That's what I'm saying. So this is not
- 1:07:58Speaker 1: a not an innocent by Sandra. I'm just reinforcing that
- 1:08:01Speaker 1: important note because this is the narrative they're gonna put
- 1:08:03Speaker 1: out there, right, it's not gonna she still has the
- 1:08:06Speaker 1: woman card, So I'm not acting like that's not a thing.
- 1:08:10Speaker 1: The other thing is that there is a lot of
- 1:08:12Speaker 1: like black pilling going on, like, oh my god, things
- 1:08:14Speaker 1: are getting so bad. It's gotten so much worse. Things
- 1:08:17Speaker 1: are really ramping up, civil war, blah blah blah. That's
- 1:08:20Speaker 1: want to point out that this is something that's always happened.
- 1:08:24Speaker 1: We've always had these kinds of things all throughout history.
- 1:08:28Speaker 1: There's always gonna be movements that are going to try
- 1:08:30Speaker 1: and disrupt the social order so they can seize power
- 1:08:34Speaker 1: or cause chaos or something. And I want to give
- 1:08:36Speaker 1: you guys a few examples, and you'll notice a pattern
- 1:08:38Speaker 1: because a lot of them are feminists, actually most of them,
- 1:08:42Speaker 1: and they go all the way back. So first, this
- 1:08:45Speaker 1: is the Weather Underground. So the Weather Underground was a
- 1:08:50Speaker 1: radical leftist group splinted from students for Democratic Society. Notice
- 1:08:53Speaker 1: they always give themselves really nice sounding names, like, you know,
- 1:08:56Speaker 1: we believe in freedom. We're the Freedom, Liberation, Good Things Party.
- 1:09:00Speaker 1: But they're communists, right. Inspired by communists and anti imperialist ideologies,
- 1:09:05Speaker 1: they conducted over twenty five bombings targeting US government buildings,
- 1:09:08Speaker 1: police stations, the Pentagon, and the Capital to protest the
- 1:09:12Speaker 1: Vietnam War because it was racist and imperialists or something.
- 1:09:17Speaker 1: In nineteen seventy they bombed the New York City Police headquarters,
- 1:09:20Speaker 1: and in nineteen seventy five they targeted the State Department.
- 1:09:22Speaker 1: Members evaded federal agents through underground networks and clashed with
- 1:09:26Speaker 1: law enforcement during arrests. All these groups that I'm also
- 1:09:29Speaker 1: going to mention also engaged in this kind of like
- 1:09:33Speaker 1: organized antagonism where they would try to get police or
- 1:09:38Speaker 1: get law enforcement or first responders or whatever ice in
- 1:09:42Speaker 1: which because the current thing is immigration this year, and
- 1:09:46Speaker 1: it's all about getting them antagonized and to react so
- 1:09:49Speaker 1: that they can get it on tape and frame themselves
- 1:09:51Speaker 1: as victims. Whether underground was also a radical feminist organization
- 1:09:55Speaker 1: as well, and there are a bunch of women involved
- 1:09:57Speaker 1: with that. So that's one group the other one on
- 1:10:00Speaker 1: the next one I have here is the Black Liberation Army,
- 1:10:03Speaker 1: an underground Marxist Leninist offshoot of the Black Panther Party.
- 1:10:06Speaker 1: So not the Black Panthers, it's different, okay. Focused in
- 1:10:10Speaker 1: Black liberation through armed struggle. They have assassinated police officers,
- 1:10:14Speaker 1: including ambushism law enforcement in New York and San Francisco,
- 1:10:17Speaker 1: and conducted bank robberies to fund operations. In nineteen seventy one,
- 1:10:21Speaker 1: they killed two New York police officers in a targeted attack,
- 1:10:25Speaker 1: viewing police as enforcers of systemic oppression. Sound familiar. The
- 1:10:29Speaker 1: group also aided prison breaks and resisted federal investigations. Okay.
- 1:10:34Speaker 1: Next we have what the political is describing as the
- 1:10:38Speaker 1: first female terrorist group. Okay. These are called the May
- 1:10:42Speaker 1: nineteenth Communist Organization. I believe they were also associated with
- 1:10:46Speaker 1: Weather Underground and Black Liberation. Is why I'm bringing this
- 1:10:49Speaker 1: up because it's all together. So they are a communist
- 1:10:52Speaker 1: revolutionary group formed by former Weather Underground and Black Liberation
- 1:10:56Speaker 1: Army members. They bombed federal sites, including the US Capital
- 1:10:59Speaker 1: in nineteen in a three which caused a million dollars
- 1:11:01Speaker 1: in damage, an FBI office and the Navy Yard in Washington, DC.
- 1:11:05Speaker 1: Their actions aim to overthrow capitalism and support anti imperialist causes.
- 1:11:10Speaker 1: They also facilitated prison escapes, like that of Assada Shakur
- 1:11:13Speaker 1: in nineteen seventy nine. I believe that's Tupac's mom obstructing
- 1:11:19Speaker 1: federal custody. I think it is. I have to look
- 1:11:22Speaker 1: that up. I'm curious now Asata Shakur. Okay, So that's them,
- 1:11:28Speaker 1: and again radical feminist organization. They have a history of violence,
- 1:11:33Speaker 1: and I'm only going through like the sixties and seventies,
- 1:11:36Speaker 1: so there's like stuff going back to like the turn
- 1:11:38Speaker 1: of the century as well. Right, all right, So next
- 1:11:44Speaker 1: we have the Simbionese Liberation Army, a leftist revolutionary group
- 1:11:50Speaker 1: with communist influences known for the nineteen seventy four kidnapping
- 1:11:54Speaker 1: of Paddy Hurst and bank robberies. To fund a people's army,
- 1:11:58Speaker 1: they assassinated a school super intended and engaged in shootouts
- 1:12:01Speaker 1: with police, including a nineteen seventy four LA confrontation where
- 1:12:05Speaker 1: six members died resisting arrest. Their manifesto called for violent
- 1:12:09Speaker 1: overthrow of the government. Okay, next, I have two more
- 1:12:13Speaker 1: and then I'll be done. So I don't want to say,
- 1:12:14Speaker 1: I know that this is going a little bit long,
- 1:12:16Speaker 1: but we have the United Freedom Front, the UFF, a
- 1:12:19Speaker 1: Marxist Leninist group that bombed corporate and military targets, including
- 1:12:23Speaker 1: mobile oil headquarters and IBM offices to protest US imperialism
- 1:12:27Speaker 1: and apartheid. In the nineteen eighties, they targeted federal buildings
- 1:12:30Speaker 1: and clash with law enforcement during robberies. Members were arrested
- 1:12:33Speaker 1: in nineteen eighty four after evading FBI pursuits. They claimed
- 1:12:36Speaker 1: responsibility for over twenty bombings. And then lastly, we have
- 1:12:40Speaker 1: this one's a little on the nose, but the Red
- 1:12:42Speaker 1: Army Faction influence in US nineteen seventies. While primarily West German,
- 1:12:49Speaker 1: this communist terrorist group inspired US radicals and had loose
- 1:12:53Speaker 1: ties through international leftist networks. US based sympathizers engage in
- 1:12:57Speaker 1: bombings and obstructions, for example in nineteen seventy to the
- 1:13:00Speaker 1: influence attacks on US military facilities in Germany, but domestic
- 1:13:04Speaker 1: echoes included solidarity actions disrupting federal operations. And this is
- 1:13:09Speaker 1: just from nineteen sixties and nineteen seventies. And I'm saying
- 1:13:15Speaker 1: that because I wanted you guys to just get a
- 1:13:19Speaker 1: little bit of perspective that this is actually not what's
- 1:13:23Speaker 1: happening now is not as bad as what we have
- 1:13:26Speaker 1: had in the past, and I think that we are
- 1:13:28Speaker 1: able to keep keep it under control and put it
- 1:13:32Speaker 1: in perspective. So we're talking about bombings, assassinations. I mean,
- 1:13:36Speaker 1: there have been assassinations like we've had that happen, and
- 1:13:39Speaker 1: it does seem like things are ramping up, but I
- 1:13:42Speaker 1: think that things have been a lot worse in the past.
- 1:13:45Speaker 1: So but I want.
- 1:13:47Speaker 3: There, I will, I will push back on I think
- 1:13:51Speaker 3: there's a lot more general problems in terms of birth rate,
- 1:13:58Speaker 3: family formation, relationship.
- 1:14:00Speaker 1: Absolutely, yeah, yeah.
- 1:14:03Speaker 3: And uh you know that's that That's what I would say.
- 1:14:07Speaker 3: So there there may be more foot soldiers for these
- 1:14:12Speaker 3: people to to start recruiting because of that. So did
- 1:14:20Speaker 3: you sorry, I didn't mean to interrupt. You finish off
- 1:14:23Speaker 3: what you're thought.
- 1:14:24Speaker 1: No, it's okay. Yeah. Oh by the way, this uh
- 1:14:27Speaker 1: Asada Chakorus Tupac's crod mother. So she's related to Tupac. Yes, yeah,
- 1:14:34Speaker 1: and she lived in Cuba. I think she was like
- 1:14:37Speaker 1: an escape that that fled to Cuba to escape prosecution
- 1:14:43Speaker 1: after she was broken out. So but yeah, no, that
- 1:14:46Speaker 1: was it. I just wanted to like put it again,
- 1:14:48Speaker 1: put things in perspective. Yes, we have problems, but I'm
- 1:14:51Speaker 1: asking you guys, please don't be blackpilled, because that's what
- 1:14:54Speaker 1: they want. They want you to think it's all hopeless
- 1:14:57Speaker 1: and it's just not so keep the faith.
- 1:15:00Speaker 2: Well it's not.
- 1:15:02Speaker 3: It's if if at some point the pain gets sufficient
- 1:15:05Speaker 3: that they start to correct the font the source of
- 1:15:10Speaker 3: all of this, which is the messaging around relationships between
- 1:15:13Speaker 3: men and women, then we will have a chance like uh,
- 1:15:17Speaker 3: but until then things are going to probably get worse.
- 1:15:23Speaker 3: But you know, eventually and not just like the at
- 1:15:26Speaker 3: the tip of the spear that that's the sort of
- 1:15:29Speaker 3: the minimal thing. It's the it's the relation lack of
- 1:15:32Speaker 3: relationship formation. It's the lowering lowering birth rate, it's the
- 1:15:38Speaker 3: the lack of economic productivity and all of that other
- 1:15:42Speaker 3: stuff like that's that's sort of where the big part is.
- 1:15:46Speaker 3: In my opinion, this stuff is is on the edges.
- 1:15:51Speaker 3: But anyway, do you want to Uh, we did have
- 1:15:54Speaker 3: a second topic, but I'm not sure if we have
- 1:15:57Speaker 3: time for it.
- 1:15:57Speaker 2: What do you think.
- 1:16:01Speaker 1: It's kind of a I watched the video. It's pretty
- 1:16:03Speaker 1: like shocking, it's shocking, it could be. It's yeah, it's
- 1:16:07Speaker 1: kind of a I think it's kind of a big
- 1:16:09Speaker 1: topic potentially, but it is a good one.
- 1:16:11Speaker 3: Yeah, I know it's the issue you.
- 1:16:14Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm not.
- 1:16:14Speaker 3: I'm probably not. I'm not gonna be able to do
- 1:16:16Speaker 3: a show on Monday, so that's yeah. So it would
- 1:16:19Speaker 3: be Wednesday before we could do it again, that's the thing.
- 1:16:23Speaker 1: So I don't know. I mean, I think it's still good,
- 1:16:27Speaker 1: but it's up to you. It's up to you, all.
- 1:16:29Speaker 3: Right, So if we should do it now or just
- 1:16:32Speaker 3: do it another date, or you could do it yeah,
- 1:16:36Speaker 3: or you could do it on a.
- 1:16:36Speaker 2: Tuesday, right, I could.
- 1:16:39Speaker 1: Well, I could cover it as a news story for sure.
- 1:16:41Speaker 1: But for video, the video is is where a lot
- 1:16:45Speaker 1: of the juice is at. So I think you're out
- 1:16:48Speaker 1: for a video response.
- 1:16:50Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, Well, because what we're talking about is recently
- 1:16:53Speaker 3: there was a woman arrested in relation.
- 1:16:56Speaker 1: To the education teacher mm hmm.
- 1:17:01Speaker 3: And she's arrested because she groomed and sexually assaulted or
- 1:17:06Speaker 3: you know, graped, statutorily raped a underage boy and how
- 1:17:15Speaker 3: a special education boy and how this was framed and
- 1:17:19Speaker 3: what her family said about it is just it's astounding.
- 1:17:26Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, what the family said was astounding. Absolutely it deserves.
- 1:17:33Speaker 3: The men's rights drubbing, shall we say, is it drubbing
- 1:17:36Speaker 3: the men's.
- 1:17:37Speaker 2: Rights caning pummeling.
- 1:17:40Speaker 3: Just just to get get down into the depths of
- 1:17:44Speaker 3: absolute depravity of this entire nest of people. But yeah, yeah,
- 1:17:50Speaker 3: it is getting pretty late in the evening, so big
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- 1:19:20Speaker 2: All right, I'm gonna hand it back to Brian.
- 1:19:22Speaker 1: All Right, I gotta read a couple of rumble rants
- 1:19:25Speaker 1: that I got and then I'll wrap it up. So
- 1:19:28Speaker 1: hold on just a moment here. I'm going to turn
- 1:19:30Speaker 1: off the auto scene switcher thing. Okay, so tell him now,
- 1:19:36Speaker 1: are in a Nova fan? Sorry? Nova Fan twenty one
- 1:19:38Speaker 1: gave us a dollar and said, way, I'm an activists
- 1:19:41Speaker 1: get offended at something and provoke a white Knight to
- 1:19:43Speaker 1: save her stead. Men rescues her by policing. Woman blames
- 1:19:48Speaker 1: policing for them not having utopia. Men need to stop simping. Yes,
- 1:19:53Speaker 1: Nova fan then says for another dollar. Also cue the
- 1:19:55Speaker 1: meme of the guy that can't believe he did something
- 1:19:57Speaker 1: that he already knows frustrates him, but did it any
- 1:20:00Speaker 1: wayn is also confused, Yeah, all.
- 1:20:04Speaker 3: Right, can I just the reason why men simp is
- 1:20:06Speaker 3: because the reason why they do these things is often women.
- 1:20:11Speaker 2: Mm hmm, like the reason.
- 1:20:13Speaker 3: Why they're patrolling the boundary, why women, the reason why
- 1:20:17Speaker 3: they're going after criminals. Why so it's safe for women.
- 1:20:21Speaker 3: So it really becomes a double bind when you see
- 1:20:23Speaker 3: a woman encouraging invasion and being a criminal.
- 1:20:29Speaker 2: What do you do?
- 1:20:30Speaker 1: All right?
- 1:20:30Speaker 2: Yep, okay, all right.
- 1:20:33Speaker 1: Yeah, so yeah, thanks Snope fan. Yeah, it's tough, man,
- 1:20:36Speaker 1: It's tough out there, but uh okay. So, if you
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