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Episode 004 - 2010s Nostalgia and the Culture That Shaped Gen-Z · Totally Normal Folks

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  I don't like using my hands for ILW to.
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  To. To hold the mic.
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  Yeah, You can listen yourself. Yeah, I know.
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  I can tell. We've we've, we've we've, we've
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  established that several times. I want to.
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  I want to. I wonder how we establish.
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  That I want to de establish that.
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  You want to de establish. I want to unestablish.
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  That hello folks, and welcome back to the Totally Normal Folks
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  podcast. Hey yo, we're back.
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  We got mic stands, we're back every.
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  That's amazing Mic arms now so that our arms can be free.
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  Free. You do what bro?
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  What do you plan to do with your hands and not that they're free?
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  Free start? What was that?
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  I want to try like knitting one of these days when we're when
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  we're recording. I think that's a good idea.
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  And then and then we can sell whatever we knit online to, to
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  to raise cash for us to do more episodes because we are.
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  Yeah, or just fundraising in. General elaborate way to to
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  fundraise. I mean, it's marriage, shouldn't
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  it? Just do what everyone else in
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  it. In it bro.
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  It is marriage. Just do what everyone education
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  is showing. Just beg bro, just beg online.
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  Have no shame, it works, it works.
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  Having no shame works, You hear hear first folks at the Totally
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  Normal Folks Podcast. Actually, for our subscribers, I
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  can sell them photos of my feet, so.
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  There you go. Going back to the feet thing,
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  yeah. So what's been happening in your
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  life guys recently? Just do a Don't worry folks,
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  we've learned from the last time we're not going to spend 30
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  minutes catching up. We're going to like 5 minutes.
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  So we're recording this on the 30th of December 2025 is coming
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  to an end. What's been happening in your
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  lives recently? Well, I have been working on
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  Mondays and Wednesdays for Techonasia and I have been doing
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  pretty much nothing else for ILW because I got to be honest, it
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  does get a bit like overwhelming to talk to talk politics a lot.
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  But I know like, I know how important it is and like I know
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  that a lot of people are, you know, still kind of really
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  suffering and you know, really like pushing hard to to just
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  stay alive. So it's like.
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  It hasn't been easy. Yeah, we've had.
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  Ever since the since the last episode, we we've gotten the
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  Sumatra floods right. Yeah, we did.
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  Yeah, that was a rough one. I.
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  Experienced that, not the flooding but the generational
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  downpour in the fucking air. Because when that happened I was
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  literally flying over from Jakarta to KL.
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  So that was a bumpy landing. Oh yeah, I can imagine.
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  Yeah, today is a very good and sunny day, but, you know, not
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  the case for a lot of the the rest of the country.
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  And most of the days that we have here is like pre pre pretty
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  rainy, you know? Yeah, yeah.
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  But you know the the gods smile upon us because they know we're
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  recording a podcast. It's been a month since that
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  happened and it's like it. You can still feel, you can
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  still feel the sadness and still feel the anger resulting from
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  that ecological disaster. So it's.
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  Real. Definitely.
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  And I feel like the response from the government hasn't been
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  much to let's just say it's a big source of contention amongst
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  anyone who's been on the ground, how the government's dealing
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  with it and people are angry about.
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  It rightfully so, Rightfully so, I think, I think it's, you know,
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  it's, it's very like we, we, we live pretty privileged and saved
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  lives. Very privileged.
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  To the point that a lot of our gripes or like stresses and
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  anxieties come not from our own lives, but from like the
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  incompetencies of the government just making us stressed and and
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  and anxious all the time. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  I, I feel like, and I think people should do this too.
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  If you can obviously donate because like there's, so there's
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  not much that any individual can do, but don't succumb to apathy.
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  Try what definitely do what you can, you know, go to
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  kitabisa.com, donate some, you know, just however much you you
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  have, because even just the act of being able to feel like
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  you're kind of making some kind of difference or like you're not
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  doing, you're doing something kind of eases that feeling a
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  little. Yeah.
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  No. And and not only that, you're
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  also helping, you know, the people on the ground, the rescue
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  workers, the the victims themselves and everyone else
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  who's been working on the ground to like, you know, actually help
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  the victims in a disaster. It helps and is necessary.
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  It's really necessary. Varga yaga varga.
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  Yeah, bro 100. Percent real.
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  It's crazy. What's been happening in your
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  life, Arya? Well, like I've been, I've been
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  getting into more analog photography that that's one
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  thing I've been loving just shooting film.
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  It's just, it's a fun way to kind of like slow down and make,
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  make something that's very intentional, you know, with I
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  just love analog things, you know, like vital records and
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  film. Big things that we can hold
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  because there's less and less of that nowadays.
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  I've been doing that. I went to I went to sound
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  Adrenaline. Shout out to anyone who went to
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  sound Adrenaline. It was a great, it was a great
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  show. Honestly, I want them to do more
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  of it because it's like it's like three different venues
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  across Jakarta, all accessible by MRT, which is like a wild
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  concept, which is fun. And I, I got an all access
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  ticket and also all access pass for free from photo walk Ramian,
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  shout out photo walk Ramian. And I got to, even though
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  security tried their best to confiscate my cameras, I still
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  managed to sneak, sneak in, take some pics.
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  And it was a great practice for, you know, low light, crowded,
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  really hectic kind of photography.
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  And I think I, I pulled out some pretty nice pictures out of it.
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  So right now I'm just doing that.
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  I've seen some of those pictures, they look pretty good.
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  Very good, absolutely delicious. Thank you.
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  Thank you. Why do they try to take away
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  your camera? Because you're going, you're
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  going through on a photo tour with them?
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  That's really weird. This is that that's that's
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  really, that's The funny thing because they advertise it like a
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  photo walk at the music venue and I'm like, OK, then that
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  means like I register this and I'm on the 20 people that get
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  it. I can once I have my pass, I can
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  photograph whatever I want. That's not the case apparently,
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  because they, they, they give us the sun.
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  Maybe there's miscommunication between Sun Redoline and the
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  people because it becomes more of like this is a giveaway pass
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  for you as a visitor so you can watch it, not as a media, you
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  know, not as media. So we, we are bound to the same
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  restrictions as regular people watching.
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  There you go. Therefore you can't bring
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  professional cameras, even though like my camera's not
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  professional. That is not professional.
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  That is not professional camera at all.
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  You're not going to see it there.
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  We'll paste the photo, yeah, but it's not professional.
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  It's not very. Amateur.
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  Sometimes I don't mean to, no, it's like I am amateur.
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  But like sometimes they allow it, sometimes they let me go,
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  sometimes they don't. That's weird.
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  Very vibes based. Yeah, very vibes based, but
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  yeah. What about you then?
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  I have just been basically recovering from work.
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  It's been like a pretty heavy deal.
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  I mentioned it earlier when we were talking about the floods.
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  But yeah, I, I went to KL and towards like the tail end of
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  November and then the first week of December, because I, my
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  organization was holding like a booth at like at Kale Art Book
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  Fair. Fantastic event.
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  Shout out to Kale Art Book Fair team of volunteers who got it
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  done. That was good.
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  We were selling zenes and art prints.
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  And so that was that kind of crowd.
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  If you know that kind of crowd, you know what?
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  It's what that kind of thing entails.
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  Yeah, I was just having fun. After that event closed, I
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  stayed for another few days in Kuala Lumpur.
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  Just so you know, see the sights, meet some friends, eat
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  food. God, I love, I love, I love,
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  like the food over there in Malaysia.
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  It's probably going to have a food episode at some point, so I
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  don't want to spend. Too much time on this.
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  I would love a food. Episode, But here and especially
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  on the island of Java, we have a tendency to like over sweeten
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  our food. We do a lot of them here is.
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  Very, very sweet, which is fine. You know, we got like, you know,
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  we got like the Tong sang and the guddu and that's very, very
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  sweet. But over there it's very, very
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  salty, very, very rich, savory. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  Yeah, it's like a lot more spices.
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  And so, yeah, I've been like, that's been really fun and
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  enjoyable. But yeah.
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  How do we How do we know they didn't steal those recipes from
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  us? Well, historically, no.
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  No, it's just like. No beef to Malaysia.
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  I was just making a joke. I was just making a.
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  Joke I fucking love Malaysia though I I nasty cum.
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  That is fucking. Amazing I.
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  Like Malaysian food more than I love Indonesian food.
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  Get the fuck out, No. Get the fuck out.
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  No, you can take away. My citizenship actually just
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  yeah, just give me the Malaysian.
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  Citizenship. Hang on.
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  Hang on their passports of the strongest.
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  Passport in Southeast Asia right it.
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  Is it is they're like it's 10. How?
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  No. You want to know how?
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  Singapore is the strongest passport.
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  It is. Followed very quickly by
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  Malaysia. I saw in the passport rankings
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  there wasn't. Correct me if I'm wrong.
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  Here's the thing. If it's if.
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  It's they might be OK. They're might.
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  They're both in the top ten. Powerful password.
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  They tell me why. They were called nice by the
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  British. Damn.
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  Fucking yeah. Yeah, yeah.
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  And then we were, Yeah. Because, OK, so because
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  historically the Dutch thought of us as a company holding
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  basically a basically like Ladung or not, Yeah, a place
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  where they come visit, take their goods and go to the way.
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  But then you know, you know the famous saying the sun ever sets
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  on the British Empire. They they they treated as
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  Malaysia and Singapore. As an extension of the Empire.
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  As an extension of the Empire. So, like, that was British Land.
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  And so they got, yeah, a little weird Commonwealth, you know,
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  colonial policy. Lucky.
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  Well. Tell that to the Indians.
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  Yeah. I don't know if you've been
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  here, I don't know if you've been reading up about them, but
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  yeah. OK.
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  Yeah, Yeah. The results may vary the
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  results. May vary, you know, But yeah,
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  colonial hot tech colonialism bad.
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  Let's not do that again. Folks, No, probably not again.
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  They gave the Vietnamese ban mis though, so I don't know.
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  What? They gave the French
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  colonialism, gave Vietnamese ban.
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  Mis. I was like where?
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  Ban me? What?
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  OK. Never mind.
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  Got to give it to them. Got to give it to them.
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  They showed the French how to make real food.
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  There you go. Exactly.
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  And they learned absolutely nothing.
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  Anyways, folks, welcome to the fourth episode.
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  Yes, it is episode the episode 4.
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  A New Hope A. New Hope is it bro?
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  Is it a New Hope or is it just old recycled?
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  It's old, recycled hope. There you go.
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  Anyways, Speaking of old recycled hope, this episode I
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  wanted to talk about 2010's nostalgia, something that's been
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  coming across my, I don't know, my algorithm feed, whether it's
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  on TikTok, on Instagram or in real life.
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  The 20 tens are coming back, or at least it's maybe it's sort of
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  coming back. But I wanted to talk to you guys
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  a little bit about, you know, what was the 20 tens like for
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  you guys? What do you remember for it?
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  How formative was it for you guys?
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  And finally, how do you feel about like certain artifacts of
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  the 20 tens coming back, like music and movies and like
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  photos? And so let's get into it and
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  let's start off by like, what is the thing you guys associate
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  most with the 20 tens and what life was like for you guys?
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  That's a really good question because, yeah, I mean, we were
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  I, I, I think, I think if looking back, we were probably
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  in like middle school, high school.
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  Yeah, middle school, high school, college.
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  Middle school, high school and physically.
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  All our lives. Yeah, up to this.
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  Point I completely forgot that like 26th any every year after
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  2015 until 2019 is also the 20 tens because I feel like feels
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  so different because I feel like the 20 tens to me was like
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  separated into two different parts.
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  Yeah, I agree two different sections.
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  The part where I was still in high, the part where I was still
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  in school and the part where I was already in uni, Yeah.
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  Because the part that I was, where I was still in school, I
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  was still kind of like learning and the things that I liked and
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  the things that I didn't like. Right.
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  Yeah. Like say, for example, this
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  actually technically came before 20, before the 20 tens.
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  It came in actually 2009. But yeah, yeah, 2008 thousand 9.
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  But there was this TV show called Glee that was a major fan
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  of. Glee.
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  Yeah, Lucky. I lucky I fucked.
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  Glee. Glee was it.
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  Glee was a shit man. And I was like, I think, I think
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  if I think I really liked it because I because because it was
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  a bunch of these high school characters who are just, you
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  know, a bunch of dorks and weirdos and shit like that.
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  Yeah. And they all come together, but
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  not only dorks and weirdos, but also people from all kind of
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  like sides of, of, of like the high school spectrum, if you
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  will. Yeah.
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  Yeah, yeah. They all come together to create
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  like a beautiful musical group theatre thing where they perform
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  and things like that. Yeah, yeah.
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  Although I'm not particularly fond of what happened to some of
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  the actors and actresses. I'll just say this though.
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  Glee has not aged very well. Not exactly.
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  The music is great and the very, very the music is great.
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  Yeah, the. Music is great, but everything
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  else the fashion might got skinny jeans.
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  No, I. Remember skinny jeans?
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  But. I I like skinny jeans up until
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  20/19. I like skinny.
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  Jeans up until all the all the all the all the kids are telling
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  me it was it was bad yeah so I come to peer pressure but I
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  clearly we. Never fit in the skinny jeans.
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  It's. OK bro.
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  It's all right. You.
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  Were ahead of the curve. True, true.
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  Actually, with with Glee. That's I got all the it's funny
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  that you as you mentioned Glee, because you're right.
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  It's extremely dated now when you, when you look at there's,
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  there's some like really like like iffy stuff that they touch
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  upon. Yeah, bro, yeah.
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  As a kid, yeah, living in mostly conservative Indonesia, it was,
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  you know, that that was kind of like the show that showed me
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  that, hey, gays are people to you.
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  Yeah, dude. Yeah, no.
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  Yeah, you're really fucking. Radicalize me, man.
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  Yeah, yeah. Yeah, radicalize.
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  If there was ever anything that, if there was ever anything that
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  turned me into a leftist, Glee was the foundation.
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  You heard it here first, folks. Yeah, Indonesia last week,
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  pivotal moment was. Glee, Glee.
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  Glee. Extremist propaganda.
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  Yeah, no, yeah, that's OK. Go ahead.
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  No. No, it's just like because it
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  does touch upon like, you know, it had gay characters and it
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  tried to show, you know, the the discrimination and the the so
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  difficulties that come with that and how other people come to
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  accept this person. It was Kurt, you know?
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  They're one of the. Major gay characters right and
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  and like we show his it shows his perspective not in a in a
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  sympathetic light yeah. And, you know, that as one of
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  the few things that of few pieces of media that showed that
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  to me at an early age, I was like, you know, yeah, I think
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  gays deserve to live. I think gays shouldn't be
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  bullied to death. No, no, exactly.
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  And when you think of it, it was also sort of like Glee was like
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  the edgier response to the High School Musical craze, right?
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  Yeah, no, it's true. Because high school.
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  Musical was kind of like, yeah, it had that kind of like, you
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  know, jocks and nerds dynamic, but, you know, like, Troy Bolton
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  was the star of the basketball team and so he was it.
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  Boy, I'm not sure about like Vanessa Hudgens character, but
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  anyways, I think yeah, Glee was interesting and sort of being
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  like a more fun. I don't know if it was
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  necessarily edgy or but it was more like raunchier.
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  It was edgier and raunchier. Yeah, edgier and raunchier
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  version of High School Musical and people kind of fuck with
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  that. Yeah, for a long time.
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  I agree. I remember having DVD but second
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  Glee, where it's like the first Four Seasons on one single DVD.
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  The compression was horrible. Or like having like the Baja
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  Khan album on like my iPod or whatever.
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  Yeah, all like, yeah, yeah, no, it's true.
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  That's actually how I got into musicals and musical theater as
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  well, because it was like, oh, I like so I didn't realize I I I
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  realized that a sort of later age that I was into that I was
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  into theater and performing right.
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  But that was because of Glee. It was because like I was
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  listening to their songs and kind of like watching their
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  watching the watching the series and then, you know, trying that
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  for myself, singing their songs and just kind of like trying
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  dancing. And then I really, and then I
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  really enjoyed that. And I think that kind of became
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  like the stepping stone for me to get into musical theater,
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  which in a roundabout way, if it wasn't for Glee, there would not
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  be an ILW today. So there you go, because I
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  realized that I enjoyed. Let me put it to you this way.
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  I, I got into, I got into, I, I, I'd made, I, I started making LW
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  because I was into the, I was into the news, right?
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  Yeah. I, I, I was into journalism.
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  I, I worked in journalism. I worked in journalism,
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  specifically television journalism, journalism because
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  I, it was a, it was a mix of two different aspects of my life
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  that I felt passionate about, which is current affairs and you
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  know, develop and world developments, things like that,
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  news basically politics, things like that and performing arts.
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  Got. It so you combine so so it
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  enabled me to combine those two aspects of, you know, critical
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  thinking with performing reportage is technically an art
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  form as well. Yeah.
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  Definitely. And that passion was seated
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  from, you know, me doing musical theatre, performing on stage.
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  Yeah, performance art. You know, a singing and dancing
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  and acting, which in turn was lit by watching Glee.
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  Incredible. So there you go.
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  This is like My Chemical Romance 911 levels.
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  No, it really is. Connective tissue, Yeah, the
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  butterfly effect. How about you, Arya?
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  What's, what's your, what's something that like you strongly
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  associate with the 20 tens growing up?
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  I think same with with Satya. I feel like 20 tens was
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  separated into two distinct periods in my life, which is
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  like basically everything before college and then after.
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  Even though I guess that makes it like the latter half lasting
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  only like 2 years. But for me, like the 20 tens, I
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  think there's two probably two big things.
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  It was like a pivot towards like indie hipster aesthetic music
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  and vibes. Yeah, there you go.
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  And then for me also, this is me personally, but I, I got into
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  video games, like really, really into video games around that
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  time because that was around the time that I acquired a laptop
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  that I thought was a game that was a gaming laptop, but it was
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  not. What did you have, bro?
• 19:47
  I was just looking for the stickers that was on the on the
• 19:50
  thing and it says that says AMD on it.
• 19:54
  That must mean it's gaming, but yeah.
• 19:57
  AMD equals gaming. You heard it here.
• 19:59
  I super got into gaming for the longest time because like as a
• 20:01
  kid growing up, I had the PS2, I had the PS2 and I had, I had no
• 20:05
  other consoles after that except maybe the Wii.
• 20:07
  But then like there's no, there's not really that many
• 20:09
  games on the Wii. But then like, you know, I got
• 20:12
  into PC gaming like middle school.
• 20:15
  So that's within the 20/10/20, I would say 20/11/2012.
• 20:19
  And then I got really into the gaming culture.
• 20:22
  You know, I, I played a lot of games.
• 20:24
  And back then she was crazy, I think.
• 20:27
  I think gaming, at least in terms of graphical fidelity,
• 20:32
  peaked in 2015, 2016, there you go.
• 20:35
  Nothing after that looked like any different substantially to
• 20:42
  the games that came out around that time.
• 20:44
  Isn't it crazy? It's crazy you mentioned that
• 20:46
  because I was just about to say I feel like we mentioned how the
• 20:51
  20 tens was separated into two halves.
• 20:54
  The turning point was the summer of 2016.
• 20:57
  Why? In my opinion that was first of
• 21:01
  all, that was that was for me personally.
• 21:04
  I was still sitting in the UK. Brexit happened in summer of
• 21:07
  20160. Yeah, then Trump got.
• 21:08
  Elected. Then Trump got elected 2016.
• 21:11
  But, but, but, but, but for me, one of the things that I really
• 21:14
  enjoyed about summer 2016 was that a lot of really sick EDM
• 21:18
  songs came out. Fucking Calvin Harris's summer.
• 21:22
  Yeah, You know, when I met you in the summer.
• 21:24
  I'm gonna. Get copyright claimed and.
• 21:28
  Not if it's not if it's short than 30 seconds.
• 21:30
  Bro there was there was a cheerleader as well.
• 21:34
  Oh God. I think that.
• 21:36
  I was a cheerleader. Yeah, here.
• 21:38
  We go. And I can't remember some of the
• 21:41
  other ones, but that was like peak.
• 21:43
  How about Avicii? 'S 2020.
• 21:46
  Would that have come out 2016? I think that might have been 15
• 21:50
  I. Think it might have been 14
• 21:51
  actually, that's. Fine.
• 21:51
  Oh really? OK, I got my dates wrong folks.
• 21:54
  Yeah, party. I wish that I was.
• 21:59
  I'm a little older during that time because 2016 I was like a
• 22:03
  slow snot nose kid, freshman in college and I didn't have no
• 22:08
  girls. I didn't have no drinks so I
• 22:11
  didn't. I didn't, I didn't.
• 22:13
  I didn't hit no clubs in 2016. But if I did bro it would be
• 22:17
  bumping. You know.
• 22:19
  Oh wait, 2016 chain smokers? Is it the the the healthy?
• 22:23
  1. The.
• 22:24
  Healthy 1. Is closer 2015 or 2016?
• 22:26
  I feel like it's 2016. Let me look it up real quick.
• 22:29
  2016. Closer or 2017 came out later
• 22:32
  1616. No 16.
• 22:34
  It came out in 2016. You're.
• 22:35
  There you go. I remember that because 2016 was
• 22:38
  also the year of a or of a horrific breakup of mine and
• 22:41
  that kind of like crystallized. It was like that all the moments
• 22:44
  in 2016 was covered in amber and frozen.
• 22:47
  And the, the music, the music was for sure like a big turning
• 22:50
  point because prior to that I was, I was mostly listening to
• 22:54
  like 2000's pop punk, punk rock kind of music.
• 22:58
  But then, you know, the switch came, I guess the middle of, you
• 23:01
  know, in 2015 going into college.
• 23:04
  I don't know what it was. It might I, I might be able to
• 23:08
  attribute it to perhaps a game called Life is Strange because
• 23:11
  there was a bunch of like Alt J, Oh, Jesus, Life is strange.
• 23:16
  And like, a lot of like, yeah, it was Alt J, It was on Life is
• 23:18
  Strange. A lot of like very hipster kind
• 23:21
  of indie folk music coming out of that.
• 23:25
  Yeah, which? Then like, this is a cool,
• 23:28
  interesting music that's gonna set me apart from everyone else,
• 23:31
  and this is gonna be cool. I like it, but also I like the
• 23:33
  fact that it made me have that. This makes me different and cool
• 23:37
  from the recipe and everyone else listening to mainstream
• 23:41
  music. There you go.
• 23:42
  Was was that one of those things where where it ended up being
• 23:45
  that everyone else also listened to the music that you were
• 23:48
  listening to as? Well, it's like the Hips, you
• 23:50
  know, the the neighborhoods 01. Neighborhood.
• 23:54
  Arctic Monkeys. Oh.
• 23:55
  Wonder. Oh Wonder is great.
• 23:59
  Yeah, and freaking, freaking, who is that?
• 24:02
  I have to. I actually have a playlist
• 24:04
  that's like 2015 hipster I titled it.
• 24:07
  I, I know a lot of music, but that's definitely earlier than
• 24:10
  like 2015, definitely like 2012. Yeah, but they're, they're the
• 24:14
  music, like, you know. 2 Door Cinema Club. 2 Cinema Club. 2
• 24:16
  Door Cinema Club. Temper trap.
• 24:19
  Temper. Trap MGMT.
• 24:21
  MGMT Kind of, yeah. MGMT.
• 24:23
  MGMT also came before like the 20 tens as well, though that's
• 24:26
  true. They're surprisingly old, no
• 24:28
  offense. They're surprisingly like, you
• 24:30
  know, aged. But they've aged so gracefully
• 24:34
  even until now. Like if you, if you listen to
• 24:36
  MGMT for the first time today, yeah, December 30th, 2025, you
• 24:40
  wouldn't have noticed. You wouldn't have realized it
• 24:42
  came from. No, yeah.
• 24:44
  I have this more than 10 years ago.
• 24:46
  I have. This oh God spot by Elizabeth
• 24:50
  Playlist that has Elizabeth wearing wearing hipster glasses.
• 24:54
  No, we're gonna flash it and you can and you can read.
• 24:57
  You can read the description there.
• 24:58
  I'm just gonna, I'm just gonna read through.
• 25:00
  It OK, just read the description out.
• 25:01
  The name of the description is the name of the playlist is Damn
• 25:04
  hipsters. Then then the description says
• 25:06
  made when I was knee deep and life is strange and browsing
• 25:10
  Society 6 for wall tapestries. I never mind.
• 25:13
  I will say this, Ari, I have no idea what any of that means.
• 25:18
  Society 6, Society 6 is like. It's like an online shop
• 25:24
  basically of like it's like a talkopedia, but it has probably
• 25:28
  like a really artsy kind of like homemade, not really homemade
• 25:32
  all the time, but like a lot of like the artsy kind of style,
• 25:35
  you know, a lot of hand drawn illustrations and stuff like
• 25:41
  that. A lot of code line in there.
• 25:43
  Code line. Oh fuck code line.
• 25:44
  I was bumping breakup core. Maybe I was.
• 25:46
  Bumping code line when I was having a breakup that was.
• 25:48
  Crazy you listen? Yeah, code line.
• 25:50
  Do you know Aquilo? No, I don't know.
• 25:53
  Damn. OK, I might have listened.
• 25:54
  To yeah, no, Speaking of music from the 20 tens, this is a
• 25:58
  little earlier, maybe like 20 cuz I don't know actually, I'm
• 26:01
  gonna look it up go on, I'm gonna look it up when this
• 26:04
  platform came out cuz it is a platform for listening to music.
• 26:08
  What is it, Limewire? No.
• 26:10
  SoundCloud. Limewire obviously is for like
• 26:13
  no, cuz this is this is not this was trying to make like
• 26:16
  accessible music look before Spotify or first came out in
• 26:21
  2008 with an iOS overhaul in 2014 and what is it died in
• 26:25
  2020. All right, do any of you know 8
• 26:31
  tracks? I have no idea what that.
• 26:33
  Is don't know 8 tracks cheese. OK, so before like, yeah, I get
• 26:37
  this also extremely popular like.
• 26:42
  Is it like a SoundCloud? It's kind of like a SoundCloud.
• 26:45
  So the way that 8 tracks works is that you get the app or you
• 26:48
  go on the browser like thing web page, there you go.
• 26:54
  And what you do with 8 tracks is that it, you basically made a
• 27:00
  bunch of like mixes, like playlists and the, and the only
• 27:06
  requirement is that the songs had to be they're, they could,
• 27:11
  the minimum you could have was 8 songs and then you could have
• 27:14
  more songs on that, but the minimum was 8 songs.
• 27:16
  And that's what it's called 8 tracks.
• 27:18
  And basically you go on 8 tracks and you just add a bunch of
• 27:21
  music. And then basically it was like,
• 27:22
  you know, before, you know, share, you know, share the
• 27:25
  Spotify mixes before, you know, share YouTube mixes was a thing.
• 27:29
  8 tracks was. And they also had like a weird,
• 27:32
  like, licensing deal where, like, you know, there was a lot
• 27:35
  of music, especially in the early days, there was a lot of
• 27:38
  music that you could get away with that was very, very by
• 27:40
  mainstream. No one was gonna like, kill it
• 27:43
  or like, remove it. And so there was a lot of just
• 27:45
  like soundtrack. Sorry, not soundtrack.
• 27:47
  There were just a lot of mix tapes that I was listening to
• 27:49
  that was like a minimum of eight songs long.
• 27:52
  And yeah, there was a lot of people that were just making
• 27:57
  mixtapes 8 songs long and all of them had different vibes.
• 28:01
  Some of them were like yeah this is like sad mixtape, A femme
• 28:06
  fatale mixtape or like a breakup mixtape.
• 28:11
  A like fan mixtapes for like fan ships and they would like link
• 28:17
  it to their Tumblr. So like, you know, like when
• 28:20
  the, when the fans would like ship 2 characters together from
• 28:22
  like, I don't know, take a take a fandom, you know, and they
• 28:24
  would like have that, Oh, this song is dedicated to this ship.
• 28:27
  Was was Tumblr like your primary social media platform that you
• 28:32
  use in that time outside of the ones that you still currently
• 28:35
  use? Yes.
• 28:37
  Yeah, that explains it. What was your, what was your
• 28:39
  primary social media platform? Hey, same.
• 28:43
  Interesting. Wait, when did you guys get on
• 28:45
  Reddit? What year?
• 28:46
  I think I got on Reddit, let let me let me find out.
• 28:49
  I I know when, I know when. It was probably like 2014.
• 28:53
  OK, 2015. I think it might have been
• 28:54
  around 2014 with me. It was also a big time for
• 28:57
  Reddit Indonesian users because around that time Reddit was
• 29:00
  banned and has, yeah, has since still been banned.
• 29:04
  But like, you know, it doesn't fucking matter if you have ADNS
• 29:07
  or AVPN. Yeah, interestingly enough, my
• 29:09
  Reddit, my Reddit account age is 9 years old.
• 29:12
  So 2016. Yeah, but I've been on Reddit
• 29:14
  for longer than that. I've been on Reddit for at least
• 29:16
  since at least like 20/12/2013. Damn, yeah so I got on Tumblr
• 29:20
  around 2012. Yeah.
• 29:22
  Oh, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's fascinating
• 29:25
  because we have, because there's a divide, yeah, of people, the
• 29:28
  Reddit people and the Tumblr people.
• 29:30
  Oh no. Yeah, I had no idea the the war,
• 29:32
  the platform wars, Yeah. I didn't know that was the
• 29:34
  thing. Oh, really?
• 29:36
  Yeah, yeah, yeah. We, we.
• 29:37
  We would. Have been on on opposite sides
• 29:39
  of the and. Now we are friends.
• 29:40
  We are friends if we can do that.
• 29:43
  Israel and Palestine, you know. No, no, no, no, no.
• 29:50
  No, no, no, no, no. We got that out.
• 29:51
  We got it. Out we Palestine.
• 29:53
  We can't hear this now. We can't hear this now.
• 29:55
  No. Yeah.
• 29:56
  A Tumblr was very, very formative for me.
• 29:58
  It was. I got into that through fandoms,
• 30:01
  mostly, right? Fan fictions like gift sets.
• 30:06
  Just just quick. Do you remember gift sets?
• 30:08
  What are gift sets? Have you ever?
• 30:11
  I have never used number. Have you ever used number?
• 30:13
  No, I, I, I never really understood it like, cuz, cuz I
• 30:17
  didn't, I, I, I was never, I don't know how Tumblr works, but
• 30:20
  for my, my, my understanding of it, my understanding of it was
• 30:25
  that you create like so many that you create like a sort of a
• 30:27
  blog, right? It is, or something like that, I
• 30:30
  guess. And I and I can't really be
• 30:31
  bothered to put like a front page of myself you would express
• 30:35
  my feelings on. I just like to follow forums and
• 30:37
  topics and. Things, yeah.
• 30:39
  That's also difficult for me as well.
• 30:40
  And in the end, for for for a big part of my Tumblr days, I
• 30:43
  would, I didn't really have that really front page.
• 30:44
  I just browsed other people's shit.
• 30:46
  But also, I think that was like that definitely delineated the
• 30:50
  the Reddit people from the Tumblr people that like Reddit
• 30:52
  people wanted to get straight into the most artistic piece of
• 30:55
  information that you can find. And Tumblr people was like, I'm
• 31:00
  going to create yeah, frat facing personality.
• 31:04
  Tumblr. No offense to Tumblr users, but
• 31:06
  Tumblr users kind of felt like kind of felt like arts and
• 31:08
  crafts to me, and I was never good at arts and crafts.
• 31:11
  That's fair. No.
• 31:11
  Yeah, totally. I, I like, I really like to
• 31:14
  read, so that's why I went straight to, to Reddit, you
• 31:18
  know? I was surprised you never really
• 31:19
  got on Tumblr given how much of A theatre kid you are.
• 31:22
  Yeah, but. I don't know there's that was a
• 31:24
  performance. I was never like an edgy theatre
• 31:27
  kid though. I was just like, OK, you.
• 31:28
  Need to be You'd be an edgy theatre kid to be on Tumblr,
• 31:30
  yeah? No, not necessarily.
• 31:32
  You know what you had to be to be on Tumblr?
• 31:33
  Gay. Gay.
• 31:35
  This. Is the line this is like Reddit
• 31:37
  straight, Tumblr queer. All right, that's that.
• 31:40
  That's the deleted. That's how they get you bro,
• 31:42
  that's how they get you. All the straights went to
• 31:44
  Reddit. But there was, there was never
• 31:46
  like a. But to.
• 31:47
  A fault. There was never like a theater
• 31:49
  or musical subreddit that I ever joined on Reddit so.
• 31:52
  That's exactly. Yeah, that's exactly.
• 31:53
  It it's just mostly kind of like just niche subreddits of like
• 31:58
  the fandoms that we like, like games or like movies or TV
• 32:02
  shows, stuff like that. Yeah, yeah.
• 32:04
  I'm sure you found plenty of subreddits on like tire
• 32:06
  strategies though. Oh no, dude, I'll.
• 32:08
  Trust me, Rose. You have no idea how much time.
• 32:11
  I will say this, I had to do a a random story.
• 32:15
  Yeah, getting completely off track, but I had to do a final
• 32:18
  assessment for my IB Mathematics course.
• 32:22
  No, Yeah, yeah. And one of the things that I had
• 32:24
  to do is I had to write like a, some sort of like a report on,
• 32:28
  you know, how mathematics can be applied to real life.
• 32:31
  Yeah. And one of the things that I was
• 32:34
  on at that point, I was already on Reddit.
• 32:36
  And so I thought to myself, I was following Formula One very
• 32:39
  closely, you know, and at that point, tire strategy was like a
• 32:45
  major point of discussion. Hell yeah.
• 32:48
  It still is today. But it was still, it was only
• 32:50
  just beginning to like ramp up at that time.
• 32:52
  So I thought, OK, what can I do to what can I use?
• 32:56
  Is it raining? Oh, there you go.
• 32:58
  I think it's the wind. What can must have been the
• 33:00
  wind? What, what aspect of Formula One
• 33:03
  can I use as my report so that I can, so that I can, you know,
• 33:07
  prevent myself from getting bored to death while doing this
• 33:09
  report? Yeah.
• 33:11
  And so I, through my own volition, ladies and gentlemen,
• 33:17
  devised a formula for tire strategy in Formula One races.
• 33:25
  Unbelievable. For your final assessment.
• 33:27
  For my final. How old were you?
• 33:29
  I was. I was 17.
• 33:31
  Oh, OK, That's interesting. Yeah, that's.
• 33:32
  Not too bad, I did something very very similar.
• 33:34
  Oh, you did. No kidding.
• 33:35
  Yeah, but not when I was 17. When I was like 21, I was doing
• 33:38
  my thesis, I was doing my final. Didn't you take international
• 33:42
  relations? Yeah, I I took international
• 33:44
  relations. Guess what my thesis was about?
• 33:46
  Formula. What it was about, No, no, but I
• 33:50
  of my own volition decided to make it about something
• 33:52
  completely unrelated, or at least people wouldn't think that
• 33:55
  it will be related to the course.
• 33:56
  I mean it about movies. No, but it but but but movies
• 34:01
  are like play a major part in like international relations
• 34:04
  only I think, but it's true. But that didn't stop me from
• 34:08
  being, I think the only person in my year and the preceding
• 34:12
  years to actually do one. That was like really like
• 34:15
  because a lot of people do it being like, oh, you know, like
• 34:17
  study how like K drama and K pop influence like economic
• 34:21
  relations between Korea and Indonesia.
• 34:23
  That will be like the flavour of like IR How?
• 34:26
  Did you do it? I, I was, I did it in a very,
• 34:30
  very like comet way, in a very like Kajian media kind of way
• 34:33
  where being like I would watch the movie.
• 34:35
  I, I, I only picked 5 movies that I watched like, I don't
• 34:38
  know, like 60 times over the course of that semester.
• 34:41
  Yeah. I can now recite certain scenes
• 34:44
  from like The Hunt for Ed October from my head.
• 34:46
  Don't you tell me. Tell us what the movies were.
• 34:49
  The movies these are so my study was by like, hey, how does
• 34:53
  movies not not in a way, like how does movies form foreign
• 34:56
  policy, but like, how do how did the US military really care
• 35:02
  about the like media portrayals that it that it is in in a way,
• 35:06
  I did it mainly because I really did disliked my realist
• 35:09
  professors who were kind of like, yeah, the only thing that
• 35:13
  matters in politics is like. Were they very realpolitics?
• 35:16
  Yeah, they were very realpolitics.
• 35:17
  The only thing that matters in either very realpolitic or very
• 35:21
  liberal neoliberal where like yeah, international Trade
• 35:25
  Organization is how the world works or realpolitical like.
• 35:28
  I wonder how they're doing now. Yeah, I know.
• 35:30
  Explain what that means. Realpolitik is basically or the
• 35:33
  only thing that matters in politics is like military might
• 35:38
  or like physical might, like, you know, how big are your
• 35:40
  armies or like the new liberal stance would be like, oh, the
• 35:43
  thing that really matters in international liberation is like
• 35:46
  international organizations through which trade occurs and
• 35:49
  like brings the world together under 1 great big capitalist net
• 35:54
  of like, you know, people are transferring over.
• 35:56
  And I disliked neither of those because there was like and I
• 35:59
  was. Like both of those.
• 36:00
  No, I disliked, yeah, I disliked both of those and I didn't want
• 36:03
  to use either of them. And then like, my thing of being
• 36:06
  like international relations is about whatever the fuck people
• 36:10
  want it to be. No, it's true.
• 36:11
  It's true. Yeah, if you remember the
• 36:13
  various speech from Game of Thrones.
• 36:16
  Do you remember? Yeah.
• 36:17
  Power. Key Twenty 10s media.
• 36:18
  Yeah, power lies where men believe it lies.
• 36:22
  And I was being like, yeah, power it just like, look, if, if
• 36:26
  people really thought that like movies didn't matter, then why
• 36:31
  did the Pentagon sign exclusive deals with Hollywood to get
• 36:37
  these movies released? And why did they blacklist
• 36:40
  certain movies that didn't follow their like script
• 36:43
  advisors? Right?
• 36:44
  And that was my argument. And the way that, and then the
• 36:46
  way I did that was by watching 5 movies.
• 36:49
  It was. It was battleship.
• 36:54
  Remember Battleship? Ohh battle the one star Rihanna.
• 36:57
  Yeah. Ohh.
• 36:58
  My God, yeah. That was a 20. 10s movie it.
• 37:00
  Was really bad. That was really bad.
• 37:02
  And then and then and then the. Hunt for Red October.
• 37:05
  Uh huh. Movie Gun.
• 37:07
  The the original. Yeah, the original.
• 37:09
  And then, oh, there's two other movies I'm blanking on right
• 37:11
  now. Oh no.
• 37:12
  You said you could recite the whole movies.
• 37:13
  Yeah, down my. Chest No, no, Black Hawk Down
• 37:16
  was I was exclusively limiting myself to do the US Navy because
• 37:20
  if I did it more than that, I would have too.
• 37:21
  Many was it Olympus has Fallen or the other one that's.
• 37:24
  About the White House, though, it's not is.
• 37:28
  It Transformers. Is this to do with the Navy
• 37:32
  Seals I. Can't remember the other two
• 37:33
  movies. What?
• 37:34
  Was it to do with the Navy Seals by any chance?
• 37:36
  I think it might have. I think it might have, but I
• 37:40
  can't for the life of me remember what the other two
• 37:41
  movies were. So I remember 3 of the movies
• 37:44
  very, very well. OK.
• 37:44
  I think Crimson Tide was the other.
• 37:46
  One OK. And then there was one more
• 37:49
  movie that I can't for the life of me actually remember.
• 37:52
  Whoops. So I don't know my.
• 37:53
  Mission Impossible Dead reckoning.
• 37:55
  No, it has submarines in it. It's basically it.
• 37:58
  You know, it's interesting when you say about the power that
• 38:02
  movies have. Yeah, because I distinctly
• 38:04
  remember another very key 20 times event.
• 38:06
  No. And it's another one of those
• 38:10
  911 leading to the formation of MCR.
• 38:13
  Avengers end game. No, no, no, it was.
• 38:17
  It was quite interesting. Go on.
• 38:19
  And that's how North we have North Korea to thank for having
• 38:25
  Spider Man back in the MCU. Is it because North Korea hacked
• 38:29
  Sony, not because of the Interview?
• 38:32
  Yeah. Yeah, that was the funniest
• 38:36
  roundabout thing that ever happened.
• 38:38
  But basically, right. Sony produced a movie called The
• 38:43
  Interview starring James Franco. Yeah.
• 38:46
  Or was it Dave Franco? James Franco.
• 38:48
  Yeah, James Franco, James. Franco and Seth Rogen basically
• 38:51
  interviewing. Their plan was to go to North
• 38:54
  Korea to interview Kim Jong Un. And that was the premise of the
• 38:58
  movie and film. Yeah.
• 38:59
  And. I.
• 39:00
  Forgot about that video and. It was an assassination plot
• 39:05
  masquerading as a media. Tour.
• 39:06
  Yeah, it was. It gained somewhat good
• 39:11
  attention, you know, because people found the novelty of it
• 39:13
  all, like, oh, it's really funny, but it wasn't so big.
• 39:16
  Yeah. But it was big enough for North
• 39:19
  Korea to like hack Sony to try and make them stop the in it the
• 39:24
  really being released. And through that, through North
• 39:28
  Korea's intervention, it actually made the movie that
• 39:31
  much more popular. And the word got.
• 39:34
  Around. Word got around this is the
• 39:36
  movie North Korea doesn't want you to see, you know, so we got
• 39:38
  to see it for for America, but that but then like through that
• 39:43
  through North Korea somehow hacking Sony, releasing a bunch
• 39:46
  of Sony emails. And also though from those
• 39:49
  emails we get to see unrelated the interview known North Korea
• 39:55
  stuff, how Sony was mishandling Spider man, how they didn't
• 39:58
  understand and they were ignoring all the, you know,
• 40:02
  advice that Kevin Feige, the head of Marvel Entertainment,
• 40:06
  was providing them. Yeah, that also get the got the
• 40:09
  ball rolling for getting Spider Man in the DMC, which happened
• 40:14
  almost like Interview 2014, Civil War 2016.
• 40:17
  So it within that time span. We got to thank Kim Jong Un for
• 40:23
  being able to put more Spider Man back in the damn series car.
• 40:26
  That was the 1A roundabout way. You heard it here first, folks.
• 40:29
  What? Thank you, Kim Jong Un.
• 40:31
  Thank you Office 39 for hacking Sony Sony Pictures.
• 40:34
  And now we have Tom Holland at Spider Man.
• 40:37
  Hey, it's a brand new day for everyone.
• 40:41
  We ain't looking. Back.
• 40:41
  I caught that. We really ain't looking back.
• 40:44
  Since we're on the topic of movies and we're kind of sort of
• 40:46
  like halfway through our recording period here, I want to
• 40:48
  do a like a little bit of a, of a quick round.
• 40:51
  Yeah, I'm ready. Quick round Robin.
• 40:55
  What is your favorite movie of the 20 Tens and why is it 500
• 40:58
  Days of Summer? Oh my.
• 41:01
  Wait, wait, wait, wait. I don't think that counts.
• 41:03
  I don't think that counts. I still have 2009.
• 41:05
  I think that one. That is what it like.
• 41:08
  It kind of like began the the the indie hipster.
• 41:13
  Phase it did. You're right, although.
• 41:15
  It doesn't count as 2010. You aren't right.
• 41:17
  A lot of people. It does have the 20 tense vibe.
• 41:19
  I think it's it has the spirit. It has the spirit of the 20
• 41:22
  tense, yeah, but. Anyways.
• 41:24
  Yeah, it has a lot of it has a lot of pretentious.
• 41:27
  Yeah, you know. Yeah.
• 41:31
  Indie throwback, Vintage music. Yeah, I.
• 41:34
  Love the sense. Remember when everyone was so
• 41:36
  hype about the little? What did you say?
• 41:38
  Add on mustache. What did you say?
• 41:41
  I love this one. I said I love this 1, but
• 41:48
  actually I do. I don't love The Smiths, but I
• 41:51
  do really like some of their songs.
• 41:52
  But yeah, yeah. Also temper.
• 41:54
  Trap was there. Yeah, Temper.
• 41:55
  Trap. Yeah, it was.
• 41:56
  Yeah, temper trap, says Indonesian vocalist.
• 41:58
  Whoo yeah, hell yeah. It's Doogie Mandogie Freaking
• 42:01
  goat. Also tweet this position.
• 42:04
  Honestly, I still, I still listen to this day.
• 42:05
  It's a great song. It is.
• 42:07
  I love it. It's fantastic.
• 42:08
  And the movie, you know, people, people can range about 500 days
• 42:12
  of summer. Understandably so, but I feel
• 42:14
  like it aged pretty well. The movie aged, I think pretty
• 42:19
  well because it thankfully didn't.
• 42:23
  A lot of people did on their own accord, but the movie didn't
• 42:26
  paint Summer as a villain, I think.
• 42:28
  Yeah, no. I think it had.
• 42:31
  I think that that's why it made the movie age as well as a bit
• 42:35
  because throughout my viewings from my viewings in high school
• 42:39
  through college and then after college, I always have been able
• 42:43
  to empathize with both characters.
• 42:46
  Like neither of them were like completely the villain, but they
• 42:49
  all have their issues in their own regard, their own personal
• 42:52
  flaws, miscommunications in that relationship.
• 42:54
  And that wouldn't happen if it's a movie that just blanket kind
• 42:58
  of like misrepresented or just like, Oh yeah, she's a bitch
• 43:03
  And, and and that's why she didn't want to get with Tom and
• 43:05
  stuff like that, Yeah. Yeah, I think, I think people
• 43:07
  who watch that and kind of come away with it thinking Summer is
• 43:11
  the villain, kind of missed the point of the.
• 43:13
  Movie. Yeah, very much so.
• 43:14
  Very much so. A. 100%.
• 43:15
  Like, like the movie did a very good job of, you know, having
• 43:21
  summer not be just like, oh, this, this, this bitch doesn't
• 43:24
  wanna can't make up our mind or yeah.
• 43:27
  Yeah. Yeah, but although it's not the.
• 43:28
  Point. It's like just two humans.
• 43:30
  Yeah, exactly. That's what I feel like about,
• 43:32
  if anything. We kind of normalize
• 43:34
  situationships for our generation.
• 43:36
  It really did. Really did.
• 43:37
  Oh my God. Is that?
• 43:38
  Is that also a byproduct of the 20 tens?
• 43:41
  My situation necessarily is. But you can't say it is a
• 43:45
  byproduct of the 20 tens in the sense that is what is it a
• 43:47
  byproduct of the media of the time, But it is also a byproduct
• 43:51
  of, and we'll get into this maybe like later in like 30
• 43:54
  minutes, we actually get to that point of the conversation.
• 43:56
  But I think situation ships as a 20 tens thing is also a
• 43:59
  byproduct of the tenuous financial situation that all
• 44:03
  millennials and Gen. Z find themselves in.
• 44:05
  Oh what? The GF because of the GFC?
• 44:07
  Kind of, yeah. Like you know of of having like
• 44:09
  you know, very little security in the.
• 44:13
  Future in the. Sense of like, you know, but
• 44:16
  before we get to that. In the movies.
• 44:18
  What? The movies we have an answer to.
• 44:20
  Exactly. But before we get to that, Oh
• 44:22
  yeah, the. Movie The Quick Round.
• 44:23
  Yeah, it was the favorite movie of the 20 tens.
• 44:26
  Is that it? Yeah, like it doesn't have to be
• 44:28
  your favorite movie, but like, you think of the 20 tens, you
• 44:32
  think of that movie. I will allow five days of Summer
• 44:36
  just because, you know, it got really popular.
• 44:38
  It got catapulted to the zeitgeist.
• 44:40
  That's a hard question to answer.
• 44:42
  I feel like a lot of. I feel like you need to say the
• 44:45
  first thing that comes to your mind just so that it'll becomes
• 44:47
  like a more instinctive kind of thing, you know, 20 tens, a
• 44:50
  movie catapulted to the front of your mind.
• 44:52
  Interstellar. There you go.
• 44:54
  Beautiful Interstellar. Oh, that's really tough for me,
• 44:59
  man. I don't know.
• 45:01
  Fucking Oh, shit. I need to.
• 45:04
  I need to think. I'm not.
• 45:05
  I'm not quick enough. But why don't you?
• 45:06
  Why don't you start with Interstellar?
• 45:08
  Yeah, think about it. Interstellar.
• 45:09
  Well, I I think I chose Interstellar because 111 let me
• 45:13
  rephrase that. Let me try again, boys.
• 45:16
  I think the reason why I chose Interstellar is because
• 45:18
  obviously you said it was the first thing that came to mind.
• 45:20
  And at that point in time, I think it was 2013, 2014, 2014,
• 45:23
  actually. Yeah, 2014, as of 2015.
• 45:26
  That was when I was in my peak like physics and mathematics
• 45:32
  obsession. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 45:33
  You know what I mean? And I was really into space and
• 45:36
  I was really into rockets, into Formula One, things like that.
• 45:40
  Yeah. And like Interstellar kind of
• 45:42
  became kind of became my my introduction into how physics
• 45:49
  can be applied into something just.
• 45:51
  Absolutely mind blowing and just mind bending.
• 45:56
  I mean, the world is kind of mind bending as it is in physics
• 45:58
  and mathematics is just the way that we interpret how it all
• 46:01
  works, right? But basically I had a, a physics
• 46:05
  teacher back in the day, his name is Pat Ram or just Ram.
• 46:09
  Hope you're doing well out there, big guy.
• 46:11
  And he was like a major push for me to kind of pursue what I
• 46:18
  thought at the time was what I wanted to do, which was
• 46:21
  engineering. Turns out, you know, flawed
• 46:24
  direction. But we live in the.
• 46:26
  But we live and we learn. We live and.
• 46:27
  Figure out that there was math. Yeah, exactly.
• 46:29
  Oh dear God. But anyway.
• 46:32
  And. And that, that, that.
• 46:34
  Film, I think, also helped me, helped introduce me to the
• 46:38
  concept of like postmodernism and you know, how so?
• 46:42
  And, you know, kind of like questioning our realities
• 46:46
  because what? What the definition of
• 46:48
  postmodernism is basically, it can basically be be be be
• 46:54
  simplified, oversimplified as questioning the reality of
• 46:59
  reality, right. And sort of, you know, breaking
• 47:04
  down reality into, into, into something that it not, not that
• 47:13
  it isn't, but kind of, but, but sort of questioning it and what
• 47:15
  it means and things like that. Yeah.
• 47:17
  And at that point in time, I had T OK theory of knowledge, which
• 47:21
  was also which was also made you part of school.
• 47:23
  And then I had Interstellar and it was like a combination of
• 47:26
  those things making me realize that.
• 47:29
  Pardon. Kind of blew your mind.
• 47:30
  Blew my mind. It makes me realize that nothing
• 47:32
  ever matters. And so I've been kind of
• 47:36
  following that. Nihilistic.
• 47:39
  Optimistic. Nihilism.
• 47:40
  The optimistic nihilism, yeah. Yeah, were you?
• 47:43
  Were you? Were you a Rick and Morty fan?
• 47:45
  I I am a Rick and Morty fan, yeah.
• 47:49
  Yeah, because it's very, there's a lot of that nihilism, Yeah.
• 47:53
  And then sci-fi thing. I, I think, I think that kind of
• 47:56
  like special combination is in Rick and Morty and I think that
• 47:58
  maybe that's something right up your alley.
• 48:00
  It definitely is, yeah. Did you ever say, did you ever
• 48:02
  say wobble of a dub? Dub No out loud I I.
• 48:06
  Was never part of the fandom. I just enjoyed this.
• 48:08
  I just. Enjoyed this.
• 48:09
  I would say I don't like Rick and Morty.
• 48:10
  I don't like the fans or the the.
• 48:13
  But there was a point in time. Fuck.
• 48:15
  You then Daniel, I'm. Sorry, there was a point in
• 48:17
  it's. Not bad, it's just not for.
• 48:18
  Me, there was a point in time that that I did like it, though.
• 48:22
  Yeah, you too. There was A and there's a point
• 48:25
  in time that I know that you did like it too.
• 48:26
  Well, I did Morty because. Because I I remembered when I,
• 48:29
  when we first met, that was one of the first things that we kind
• 48:31
  of bonded. Yeah.
• 48:32
  Like you watch Rick and Morty too?
• 48:36
  Yeah, and then I just fell off. Honestly I fell off too because
• 48:40
  like the the IT was just wasn't funny anymore at at some point.
• 48:43
  It wasn't the fact that it wasn't funny.
• 48:45
  I think the humor was the thing that didn't catch.
• 48:48
  It's. I think it's like the overly
• 48:49
  ironic tone, yeah, of Rick and Morty.
• 48:52
  It's very. Nihilistic.
• 48:53
  Yeah, it's very. Nihilistic, but not in a way
• 48:55
  that like everything is meaningless.
• 48:57
  So that's why I hate everyone. It's being like, I don't know if
• 49:01
  I feel that way about the meaninglessness of the world.
• 49:05
  You know, there's something just didn't right sit right with me
• 49:09
  about that. But at the same time, I also
• 49:11
  still could appreciate it was like, it was genuinely so funny,
• 49:14
  you know, like, you know, Dan Harmon, you know?
• 49:17
  I think if I like do you? Do you, do you still want to
• 49:21
  expand on that? Because sure.
• 49:22
  Yeah, I have my my no, go ahead, go ahead.
• 49:24
  I have my quick round thing. Go ahead.
• 49:26
  Please transition over. I think it's gonna be a pretty
• 49:30
  normie answer, but I feel like we can't talk about the 20 tens
• 49:34
  without talking about. Wait here some Are we gonna
• 49:37
  boom? We're gonna Boo him.
• 49:40
  It depends on his answer. All right, let's try that.
• 49:42
  That's it. So we can't talk about the 20
• 49:44
  tens without talking about some kind of superhero media.
• 49:48
  And I gotta get a Boo. You gotta get a Boo for that.
• 49:51
  I'm gonna pick my. I wanna hear your answer first.
• 49:54
  Avengers, 2012. We do not we.
• 50:00
  Sorry bro, I can't. I can't believe you fuck with
• 50:02
  Joss Whedon like that. Bro, I don't fuck with Joss
• 50:04
  Whedon. I don't fuck with Joss Whedon
• 50:06
  the person. No, but it's undeniable.
• 50:09
  And it's very interesting how we how we got to see the superhero
• 50:13
  genre in that decade, in that decade, have like a rise and
• 50:17
  kind of like AI don't think it's fallen.
• 50:19
  It's kind of teetered off a bit, but it peaked in this decade, in
• 50:23
  that decade. And Avengers was kind of like
• 50:27
  the heyday of superheroes, which also, if you watch it again, it
• 50:32
  really dates it like a lot of like the dialogue is the type of
• 50:35
  stuff that we make fun of now, a lot of the Whedonisms, you know,
• 50:40
  that that exist in that the the creepiness of it all.
• 50:45
  And it's not the best movie. It's not even the best movie in
• 50:50
  the MCU in my opinion, obviously.
• 50:52
  But like, it was a hugely influential moment and
• 50:54
  superheroes had their moment in the twenty 10s.
• 50:57
  No, it's true. You're right.
• 50:58
  Yeah. It as a die hard MCU fan who
• 51:02
  watch every entry and in the subreddits in the trenches
• 51:06
  cosplaying, watching the Netflix shows, watching the ABC shows,
• 51:11
  watching the Hulu shows, the Hulu shows, Jesus.
• 51:15
  I've also kind of like fallen off of that train a little bit.
• 51:18
  Like I'm not I'm not so hyped to watch every single new entry
• 51:22
  anymore. But there was a time in the 20
• 51:24
  tens where me and the whole loads of other people tuned in
• 51:29
  every single year for the two or three Marvel movies that are
• 51:32
  going to come out and they. Sat in.
• 51:33
  Their. Seats.
• 51:35
  Glued to the screen, it was an experience for all.
• 51:38
  A cultural event? There was a cultural event post
• 51:40
  about it. They'll take pictures of all the
• 51:42
  movie. Monsters, yeah, Infinity War and
• 51:45
  do Infinity War and game especially was like a major
• 51:48
  cultural event worldwide. Yeah, it's insane.
• 51:51
  I'm not. I'm not a shame to say that
• 51:53
  Infinite Infinity War and End Game like one of the best
• 51:56
  theater experiences in my life. To be honest.
• 52:00
  Everyone put that cheer. I'm not above that.
• 52:02
  People were it it not and not in a in a way that would annoy you.
• 52:07
  You know when when Thor came back in Wakanda, the cheers were
• 52:11
  crazy when Chadwick Chadwick Boseman RIP did Wakanda forever.
• 52:17
  Everyone said Wakanda forever. It was the craziest time when.
• 52:20
  When Captain America caught the hammer.
• 52:22
  Yeah, that was. Crazy you.
• 52:25
  Erupted. I've never had that experience
• 52:28
  since maybe No Way Home, but like, yeah, not not in that we
• 52:33
  were still very optimistic about superhero media like people
• 52:36
  were. People are a bit more jaded
• 52:38
  about it now, but it is the cultural, you know it it it
• 52:45
  reaches zenith in the 20 tenth. It's also interesting knowing
• 52:48
  that Avengers is what, capable that Joss Whedon into fame
• 52:52
  despite the fact that, like, he's always, always been sort of
• 52:54
  like a cult creator since. Because Buffy.
• 52:57
  Yeah. Love Buffy.
• 53:01
  No, but I, I love Buffy. But have you?
• 53:02
  Are you a Joss Whedon stand bro? No, I don't fucking defend him
• 53:06
  because he was an. Absolute.
• 53:08
  Piece of shit, especially on the Buffy.
• 53:10
  I think that's the thing that actually made me stop watching
• 53:12
  Buffy for a moment. So I haven't finished it.
• 53:13
  I'm stuck in probably through season 2 because I'll be honest,
• 53:16
  Buffy is like very very hit and miss.
• 53:18
  But my ultimate Joss Whedon media thing is Firefly have.
• 53:24
  You. Ever either there's a pub
• 53:26
  classic that. I've never.
• 53:28
  Seen watch the series Firefly. You should.
• 53:29
  It's gorgeous. It's beautiful.
• 53:31
  Nathan Fillion, right? Nathan Fillion, yeah, billion.
• 53:33
  And it's spaceship, so you would like it, but it's also a space
• 53:36
  western. It's so western.
• 53:39
  It's an ensemble cast. Yeah, ensemble cast like love on
• 53:42
  watching a spaceship tear through the solar system to the
• 53:46
  twang of a banjo. Fantastic.
• 53:48
  Amazing. But yeah, you were gonna, you
• 53:50
  were gonna add the. I was gonna make it.
• 53:52
  I was gonna ask a question relating to The Avengers.
• 53:54
  Actually, go ahead. Because the MCU is such a major
• 53:56
  part of culture, which, which MCU film would you say impacted
• 54:03
  you the most? It might not have been the IT
• 54:06
  might not have been the best. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 54:07
  It might not have been like the the the the the, the most, you
• 54:11
  know, mind blowing or anything, but which MCU film impacted you
• 54:18
  personally the most? You can answer first if you
• 54:21
  already know. Yeah, it's quite recent
• 54:22
  actually. Go on.
• 54:23
  But but like, I don't know that the universe and whatever forces
• 54:26
  that move it aligned to give me this movie at a time of my life
• 54:30
  where I was really going through it very recently this year.
• 54:33
  Actually, I think my the the movie that moved me, the the MCU
• 54:38
  movie that moved me the most and also was the in my opinion, the
• 54:43
  best entry in the Marvel Universe is Thunderbolts.
• 54:48
  Thunderbolts. Thunderbolts.
• 54:49
  Thunderbolts. Is a great my favorite.
• 54:52
  It's a great choice. Fantastic.
• 54:53
  Love it. Yeah, I just like it because.
• 54:57
  OK, one wait. OK.
• 54:58
  After Infinity War until now, it's like phase what, four or
• 55:01
  five? Right now it's 5, but like
• 55:04
  Thunderbolts, yeah, I think maybe Thunderbolts was five,
• 55:07
  yeah. Yeah, sure.
• 55:08
  No, but like, yeah, 'cause phase four and five absolutely fucking
• 55:11
  sucked. Right, it wasn't the.
• 55:14
  Best I got about this. There's a bunch of fingers from
• 55:17
  you Got Shang Chi the greatest movie with the most.
• 55:21
  This the most? Yeah, Shang Chi was the most
• 55:23
  disappointing movie because I it was, it could have been so great
• 55:27
  and it was simultaneously so bad.
• 55:30
  You know it's crazy. I love both multi parts of
• 55:32
  Madness and Shang Chi so I don't understand what.
• 55:35
  It's like. Character assassination.
• 55:38
  What of Wanda? Yeah, in my opinion, yeah.
• 55:41
  Yeah, yeah. Also, Sam Raimi is really shit
• 55:44
  at writing women. Do you remember how he treated
• 55:47
  how annoying MJ was to watch in the original Spider Man?
• 55:50
  The Trilogy. He's he's just not good at
• 55:52
  writing women. But anyways, now Thunderbolts is
• 55:54
  one this the scale and the stakes of the movie is very,
• 55:57
  very low, right. But also like the the third act
• 56:03
  resolution was, I believe my most, my favorite third act
• 56:07
  twist of any Marvel movie, except maybe for Civil War, just
• 56:16
  because like, you know, you thought it was going to be a
• 56:17
  great big ballot. No, it's a really intimate
• 56:20
  sequence between like two or three people.
• 56:22
  And that's what I think the and then Thunderbolst was also just
• 56:24
  like, you know, about like sort of like, you know, learning to
• 56:26
  like work with yourself and you know that like the, the, the,
• 56:34
  the person that rescues you is you is a really good message for
• 56:38
  the Thunderbolt. It's really helpful.
• 56:41
  I really love a This is really cheesy but I really love like a
• 56:45
  hug it out third act movie. And.
• 56:48
  Thunderbolt is literally spoilers a hug it out third act
• 56:51
  movie of thugs out resolves and yeah, also Florence Pugh.
• 57:00
  Yeah. We're both Florence.
• 57:02
  Pew Amazing. Yeah, she's a fantastic.
• 57:05
  Person no Florence Pew is why I cut my hair this way.
• 57:09
  Oh, she's great in that movie, no.
• 57:10
  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Florence Pew is why I have so
• 57:13
  much product in my hair. Is also why I started being
• 57:15
  like, you know what, her eyeliner is great.
• 57:18
  I should, you know, I should bleach my hair like that and I
• 57:21
  should wear my eyeliner like that.
• 57:22
  Florence Pew. Florence Pew, you're.
• 57:24
  Pulling off the the look I can I can see.
• 57:27
  The there's so many pockets. I can see the influence.
• 57:31
  Yeah, I can see the influence. Oh yeah, it's a yeah, Florence
• 57:35
  Pugh, gender envy, and I'll leave it right there.
• 57:38
  Yeah. For me anyways, yeah, yeah, you
• 57:43
  mentioned MCU, but I think to be honest, the one that impacted me
• 57:48
  the most is not acting an MCU movie, but it's still a
• 57:50
  superhero movie. Is it Batman versus Superman?
• 57:53
  No, just no dude. It's it's actually spider man
• 57:58
  into the spider verse. Oh yeah.
• 58:02
  That is the greatest, I think in my opinion, one of the best
• 58:08
  pieces of superhero media out there, if not the best because
• 58:12
  it's such a well told coming of age story.
• 58:17
  Malth Morales, fantastic character Peter B Parker shows
• 58:21
  us a completely different side of Spider man.
• 58:23
  The humor was fantastic, the animation groundbreaking and is
• 58:26
  still being used as kind of like a template for what animation
• 58:31
  could be to this day. And I just remember walking out
• 58:34
  of that movie like I have to tell every single person I know
• 58:38
  of this movie to watch it because when I was in that movie
• 58:41
  theater that she was empty, bro. Yeah.
• 58:43
  She was empty. Quick question, which one came
• 58:47
  first, Arcane or into the spider verse?
• 58:49
  Into into. Into the OK.
• 58:50
  Cool, Arcane was definitely inspired by the spider verse,
• 58:52
  and the spider verse was probably like 2018 or something
• 58:54
  like that. No, it might have.
• 58:56
  It was earlier than that. No, no, 2018.
• 58:58
  I'm, I'm, I swear to God, I'm gonna look it up.
• 58:59
  Damn. OK.
• 59:01
  But yeah, that was probably, if you're talking about MCU movies,
• 59:05
  I want to say probably you. Don't have to force that.
• 59:07
  I mean, Into the Spider versus a really, it's a good entry.
• 59:10
  It doesn't have to be easy. It can be superhero.
• 59:11
  It can be any superhero. I think a low key, a low key MCU
• 59:14
  movie that I did that I like that a lot of people maybe not
• 59:17
  like all that much, was probably Captain America for Avenger.
• 59:20
  Oh yeah, the. First one, the first one,
• 59:22
  interesting. It's not the best movie, to be
• 59:24
  fair, but it's a fantastic introduction to the character.
• 59:27
  I love. I love the I love how they
• 59:29
  introduced Steve. I think, you know, it really
• 59:34
  grounds the character and makes him to be this kind of like,
• 59:37
  figure that we look up to and not just, like, some hokey,
• 59:40
  yeah, yeah, imperialist puppet, you know, And Steve really,
• 59:44
  really made that character. Chris Evans really made that
• 59:47
  character. And, yeah, he himself carried
• 59:50
  that movie despite all its flaws, I think.
• 59:52
  Yeah. That's fair.
• 59:53
  Yeah, Yeah. Continue.
• 59:56
  Dead air, fellas. Dead air.
• 59:59
  My favorite MCU movie. I have to say before I start
• 1:00:02
  though, I I will say a special I, I want to say a special shout
• 1:00:04
  out to James Gunn. Yeah, because he knows.
• 1:00:07
  How to make a movie? With the OG Guardians of the
• 1:00:10
  Galaxy. Yeah, I was actually my my my
• 1:00:15
  favorite MCU film is Guardians of Exact is Guardians of the
• 1:00:18
  Galaxy Volume 2. Volume 2.
• 1:00:20
  Volume 2. That's fascinating.
• 1:00:22
  I would. Agree with you on that actually.
• 1:00:23
  Really. Really.
• 1:00:24
  I think, yeah. I think the best one is 2 of all
• 1:00:27
  of all the three. The the the the third one is
• 1:00:29
  fantastic. The first one was brilliant and
• 1:00:32
  the second one was, in my opinion, just.
• 1:00:35
  Perfectly, it was, really. Guardians of the Galaxy because
• 1:00:40
  obviously though, the entire series is about found family,
• 1:00:42
  right? And I think, and I think for me,
• 1:00:43
  like that concept of family is something that I've always kind
• 1:00:47
  of been, you know, not struggling with, but something
• 1:00:50
  that I've always been kind of a longing for, you know?
• 1:00:53
  And so to see. And so to see Peter Quill not
• 1:00:57
  only realize that he has found his family, but in one side,
• 1:01:01
  actually realize that someone in his life has been family all
• 1:01:06
  along without him even realizing it, which is Yondu.
• 1:01:10
  That part of me that that kind of aspect of the story, that
• 1:01:13
  family aspect of the story really helped me to kind of sort
• 1:01:17
  of reconcile with my own personal life as well in many
• 1:01:21
  ways and kind of helped me to heal my inner child too, in
• 1:01:24
  that, you know what, It's OK. I have these people that I can
• 1:01:28
  look up to and take care of me and it's and everything's gonna
• 1:01:31
  be fine. You know what I mean?
• 1:01:32
  Yeah, family is who takes care of you.
• 1:01:34
  Not necessarily like, you know, we.
• 1:01:36
  Were exactly. Yeah, I think that was a really,
• 1:01:38
  really important message, I think of all three Guardians.
• 1:01:41
  Of the yeah, yeah, for sure, but that.
• 1:01:44
  The the third act of Guardians of God of Two really cemented.
• 1:01:47
  That it was crazy I. Know people who did cry I.
• 1:01:52
  I cried watching, I cried watching it when I cried
• 1:01:55
  watching when Yondu first said you may, he may have been your
• 1:01:59
  father but he wasn't your daddy and his fuck and his funeral,
• 1:02:03
  man, that shit. I broke into tears every single
• 1:02:06
  time I watch it. I watched it.
• 1:02:08
  I was still watching. I was still breaking the tears
• 1:02:10
  now. Spoilers for every single movie.
• 1:02:12
  We're talking about right now, father and son playing in the
• 1:02:16
  background well. That that was that was such a
• 1:02:18
  good moment. Saying yeah, no shade to my mom
• 1:02:21
  and dad, they did great. Doing it sound like.
• 1:02:24
  Saying like, you know, we get a lot of one of the things that we
• 1:02:28
  don't really that we don't really talk about is how we, we
• 1:02:31
  get a lot of influence not only from our parents.
• 1:02:33
  We don't get our our role models don't only come from our
• 1:02:36
  parents, but also from so many people around.
• 1:02:38
  Us. Yeah, there we go.
• 1:02:39
  I like that. That makes a lot of sense.
• 1:02:41
  I think for me a really peak 2010's movie.
• 1:02:46
  I actually have two and I can't really choose between the two
• 1:02:48
  because they're both super form for me.
• 1:02:50
  But like because I I I always love watching movies but I never
• 1:02:54
  was really like open to the possibilities of cinema until I
• 1:02:57
  watched Inception in the theatre.
• 1:02:59
  OK, Yeah, yeah, because Inception is 20. 10 and the
• 1:03:03
  Nolan was like. Yeah, and that was my first
• 1:03:06
  Nolan movie. And then from there, I was being
• 1:03:07
  like, the possibilities of film making.
• 1:03:10
  Yeah. And I also remember going to the
• 1:03:12
  theater. It was absolutely fucking empty.
• 1:03:13
  You know what? I.
• 1:03:14
  Mean really? Yeah, it was empty for
• 1:03:16
  Inception. Yeah, no fucking watch.
• 1:03:18
  Also, I I did watch it in some rando theatre in Bakasi, so
• 1:03:21
  maybe that was also why it was empty.
• 1:03:22
  Maybe. But then yeah, it was like, oh
• 1:03:26
  wow, my brain is blown apart by like how weird and twisty this
• 1:03:31
  movie is. And in retrospect, not even,
• 1:03:33
  like, Nolan's greatest work or, you know, then Nolan's got some
• 1:03:38
  problems right now in his filmmaking.
• 1:03:39
  But yeah, it was really opening my possibility to be like,
• 1:03:41
  because after I watched that movie, it would be like, I need
• 1:03:43
  to find more movies like this. And I got into, like, you know,
• 1:03:46
  other Nolan movies. And then from there, I started
• 1:03:48
  watching, like, Scorsese. And then from Scorsese, I
• 1:03:50
  started watching, like, I don't know, more out there, like, you
• 1:03:54
  know, artsy fartsy movies, you know, And yeah.
• 1:03:58
  But then the other thing that was super formative and this is
• 1:04:00
  formative and like a weird MCR 9/11 kind of way was Tron.
• 1:04:06
  Tron Yeah, the one with Garrett. Garrett Hitler.
• 1:04:10
  And Jeff Bridges and. 2011 and Olivia Wilde.
• 1:04:13
  Bio Digital Jazz. Yeah, I feel like that was one
• 1:04:17
  of the more underrated movies of the 2010.
• 1:04:19
  No, yeah, definitely. But that.
• 1:04:21
  Came out 2011, right? No, 201020 December 2010.
• 1:04:24
  I looked at the release date of December 17th, 2010.
• 1:04:27
  Yeah, OK. Yeah, no, yeah, that because
• 1:04:29
  that movie is OK. One definitely underrated.
• 1:04:31
  Love Joseph Kaczynski, but the thing about it is, is that like,
• 1:04:35
  OK, if it weren't for that movie that was I was very obsessed
• 1:04:38
  with it was very, very cool. I wouldn't have asked my now
• 1:04:43
  best friend for the soundtrack files on his USB.
• 1:04:49
  And then when I got the, the the soundtrack files, I was like,
• 1:04:52
  oh, this is great. Who is this artist?
• 1:04:54
  Daft Punk? And like, do you have any other
• 1:04:57
  Daft Punk music? And I'd be like, yeah, bro, I
• 1:04:59
  got like 3 albums worth. I can listen to that.
• 1:05:01
  And I'm like, bro, got any more music like Daft Punk?
• 1:05:04
  But yeah, sure, like listen to this house music and gave me and
• 1:05:08
  I got like into like Dead Mouse saying like David Guetta and all
• 1:05:11
  that stuff. And then from there, I was being
• 1:05:13
  like, damn, music, Music's pretty cool.
• 1:05:17
  And I just started like, and that's how like, yeah, I got to
• 1:05:19
  know my best friend that way because of the Tron soundtrack.
• 1:05:22
  That's why it's so meaningful to me.
• 1:05:25
  I got to know my best friend that way.
• 1:05:26
  And then we started sharing music that we, like just, you
• 1:05:29
  know, got off of like, Pirate Bay and Limewire, like from
• 1:05:32
  there. And, you know, because we got
• 1:05:34
  into a habit of sharing music between the two of us.
• 1:05:37
  He learned about Two Door Cinema Club from me and be like, yeah,
• 1:05:40
  bro, put that on a flash drive, send it to me.
• 1:05:42
  And then, you know, there's that.
• 1:05:43
  Yeah, there was basically that one like like Kingston 16
• 1:05:48
  gigabyte hard drive. That's basically.
• 1:05:51
  Made its round through like the 10th grade.
• 1:05:53
  Class. The viruses on that thing must
• 1:05:55
  be crazy. But it was worth it because you
• 1:05:58
  were able to share so many media.
• 1:06:00
  Yeah, with you, dude. Do you remember when we could
• 1:06:03
  share media to each other via Bluetooth?
• 1:06:06
  No, no, before that, bro, bro, I remember.
• 1:06:09
  A red. On a on a on 1/3 trip I was
• 1:06:11
  trying to get a Linkin Park song from my.
• 1:06:13
  Friend I had. To put my phone next to his.
• 1:06:16
  Yeah, with, with Bluetooth or, or infrared, infrared is crazy.
• 1:06:22
  Infrared is crazy. But having a having a Bluetooth
• 1:06:26
  phone in like in elementary school, back then, it was like
• 1:06:31
  the craziest thing. Yeah.
• 1:06:33
  Because, yeah, because initially there was infrared and then
• 1:06:35
  like, you got to get Bluetooth when when when those phones came
• 1:06:39
  out, ran, bro, if you had those, you were the coolest kid in
• 1:06:42
  school. Yeah, but I think, but I think
• 1:06:44
  by the 20 tens we were already using blackberries, right?
• 1:06:47
  I never got onto. I never got around the
• 1:06:49
  BlackBerry. Either seriously, I.
• 1:06:50
  Only had a Nokia. My family was 24.
• 1:06:55
  Get out of here with that bro classical Christian School kid.
• 1:07:02
  No, yeah, but I was able to. You.
• 1:07:04
  You got your private school kid with your BlackBerry?
• 1:07:07
  Unbelievable. Which one did you have the bold
• 1:07:10
  or is it like the 887? I had the 8. 70 and I had the, I
• 1:07:13
  had the, I had the, the shittier one, the BlackBerry.
• 1:07:17
  Did I have a touch scroll or the roller ball?
• 1:07:20
  It had a roller. It had a touch scroll, Yeah.
• 1:07:22
  Yeah, I had a touch. Scroll yeah.
• 1:07:24
  That otherwise you were a rich kid bro.
• 1:07:27
  Thanks, Dad. Yeah, because I don't know, I
• 1:07:31
  had a Nokia as well. I felt, I felt so out of touch
• 1:07:34
  just now. Oh my day.
• 1:07:36
  That's fine. Like like like.
• 1:07:38
  Oh. Where did you get your first
• 1:07:39
  iPhone? My first iPhone, your first
• 1:07:41
  smartphone. Sorry, my first.
• 1:07:43
  IPhone. My first smartphone was probably
• 1:07:45
  2013 or 14. So when did you get same?
• 1:07:50
  Around 20. Maybe. 2012 where I jumped from
• 1:07:56
  a Samsung like flip phone. I had a Nokia and then a Samsung
• 1:08:01
  flip phone. It was like the one of those
• 1:08:03
  like like sliding. Phone.
• 1:08:06
  Yeah, yeah, I had. The slide phone, those those
• 1:08:08
  slides are crazy, Yeah. And then from the slide phone I
• 1:08:13
  went to a Android like the for like Android 1.5.
• 1:08:18
  Also, I also got an Android here's.
• 1:08:20
  A story that I've never told anyone that I'm going to tell
• 1:08:23
  you now because I'm going to embarrass myself on the
• 1:08:25
  Internet. Let's do it.
• 1:08:26
  My dad bought an iPhone 3 back in 2011, but he had an iPhone 1
• 1:08:31
  beforehand. He had.
• 1:08:33
  He had. He bought an iPhone 3G actually.
• 1:08:34
  Yeah. And so because my mom had
• 1:08:37
  another phone and she didn't want to change or something like
• 1:08:39
  that, he gave his original iPhone, the first iPhone that he
• 1:08:44
  bought to me in like 2010 or 2011.
• 1:08:48
  Oh, and then? Oh, I use it for like a good
• 1:08:52
  maybe 3-4, five weeks and then I lose that shit.
• 1:08:56
  You'd. Lose it I.
• 1:08:58
  Lost that iPhone. I had no idea where it went.
• 1:09:01
  I don't know where it's gone. And then I at some point I had
• 1:09:04
  to just tell my my parents, right?
• 1:09:06
  Like, hey, I lost my phone. And so they replaced it with a
• 1:09:11
  black bear. And I'll never lose this phone.
• 1:09:15
  Oh my. Did you lose that one?
• 1:09:17
  No, I didn't lose that one. I still have.
• 1:09:19
  I still had that one until I until I changed it to A to a
• 1:09:22
  Sony very back in 2014. I was so privileged.
• 1:09:26
  Oh my goodness. I did have a slam slam.
• 1:09:29
  Song that's crazy I. Slam song I did.
• 1:09:32
  Have a Samsung phone that I did lose as well the slide phone
• 1:09:35
  that I lost. Oh, the slide phone.
• 1:09:36
  Yeah, it was, it was, it was so sad because like I had that
• 1:09:39
  phone. I don't think I lost it.
• 1:09:41
  I think it was stolen. I think it was like, yeah, I, I
• 1:09:44
  went to like my friend's place and then to a mall and then I
• 1:09:47
  got like pick talking it or something cuz it was like it was
• 1:09:52
  a really nice Samsung too, where it was like it slid into a full,
• 1:09:57
  it slid sideways into a. Full full keyboard.
• 1:09:59
  Yeah, yeah. But then I lost that and then it
• 1:10:04
  got replaced by a full on Samsung Android 1.0.
• 1:10:09
  I forgot what it was called back then.
• 1:10:11
  It was like the OG it was so slow.
• 1:10:14
  But hey, you know you, you live and you learn.
• 1:10:16
  Yeah, it's still good. It's still a smartphone.
• 1:10:18
  Yeah. I think I never relied on my
• 1:10:22
  iPhone or like any phone that much because my primary device,
• 1:10:28
  like I lost my phone. I was sad obviously, but it
• 1:10:30
  wasn't like it didn't destroy me was because the thing that I, I
• 1:10:34
  would that would have destroyed me was I had an iPod.
• 1:10:38
  I had like an iPod nano that like my parents got me for like
• 1:10:42
  my birthday and bro, I live off of that shit.
• 1:10:46
  That was like like that was injected straight into my veins.
• 1:10:49
  Like all my music, everything that was shared, that was that
• 1:10:52
  lived on there. And I think there was a that
• 1:10:55
  that's also why I was so like, married to like media
• 1:10:58
  consumption. It was because it was just music
• 1:11:00
  though. Yeah, it was like, I mean, I had
• 1:11:02
  movies on there, but like, you know, it was, it was like 16
• 1:11:04
  gigabyte iPod nano. You couldn't fit a lot of movies
• 1:11:07
  into that. It was only one movie that lived
• 1:11:09
  there for like the 3/4. No, the nearly five years I had
• 1:11:12
  that iPod before I deleted it to make more space for music, and
• 1:11:15
  that was flushed away. Flushed away.
• 1:11:19
  Literally into a toilet animation movie.
• 1:11:22
  Oh damn, the. Rap.
• 1:11:24
  The. Rap.
• 1:11:25
  Movie The rap. Another.
• 1:11:27
  Proceeded from memory. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:11:30
  Wow. And exactly yeah.
• 1:11:33
  And I don't know, I think yeah, when I remember that time of my
• 1:11:37
  life, I do remember a lot of like media and stuff like that.
• 1:11:40
  What what I kind of want to also shift the conversation into is
• 1:11:43
  also like. That was very smooth by the way.
• 1:11:45
  Yeah. Well, that was a segue.
• 1:11:47
  Well, I'm already the. I'm in a different, I'm in a
• 1:11:51
  different plane right now. You.
• 1:11:53
  Shifted. No, like how do you fellas feel
• 1:11:59
  about the 20 tens coming back as sort of like big nostalgia?
• 1:12:06
  Because like, I feel like there's like so many different
• 1:12:09
  ways that the nostalgia hits US right One, it hits US in the way
• 1:12:13
  that like, you know, the way that like my spirit leaves my
• 1:12:17
  body when a Calvin Harris song starts playing in the club.
• 1:12:20
  And if you're like, you know, like and then because you're
• 1:12:24
  also like, you know, like maybe if we're gonna clip this
• 1:12:27
  pictures here of like we we did, we did have like a really good
• 1:12:30
  night out at like Capella and we were all like they were playing.
• 1:12:34
  20 for 2010's EDM. 2010's EDM and like that was a good time.
• 1:12:38
  I have never seen you guys lose your shit as hard as you did
• 1:12:41
  that night. And that was.
• 1:12:42
  Maybe you'll see it tomorrow night.
• 1:12:45
  Yeah, because we are also going to the.
• 1:12:46
  No. Yeah.
• 1:12:46
  And and that's the other thing that I also want to discuss.
• 1:12:49
  Like, you know, aside from personal nostalgia, there is
• 1:12:52
  also like, a societal nostalgia, Yeah, seeming to happen.
• 1:12:55
  Apparently. Yeah, right, Cuz tomorrow night
• 1:13:00
  is New Year's and we're going to a 20 tens EDM themed New Year's
• 1:13:03
  party, right? But then also the music is
• 1:13:06
  coming back, the fashion is coming back.
• 1:13:09
  Propella is doing 20 tens again. Yeah, exactly.
• 1:13:12
  What do you guys think about? Why do you think it's coming
• 1:13:17
  back? Is it just nostalgia or is there
• 1:13:19
  like a deeper, like, you know, social, political force moving
• 1:13:23
  it around? Because, you know, when we look
• 1:13:25
  at the way that the world is out there right now, it's like,
• 1:13:27
  yeah, things aren't that great. Yeah, you kind of answered your
• 1:13:31
  own question there. You got to be honest.
• 1:13:32
  But yeah, that's true. But I want to see, I want to see
• 1:13:34
  your guys takes on it. I I will say there have you
• 1:13:38
  know, you, you've seen these ebbs and flows where culture or
• 1:13:43
  or pop culture tends to become a bit more experimental in a in,
• 1:13:49
  in, in moments where kind of political, social and economic
• 1:13:56
  circumstances are stable and kind of quite optimistic, if you
• 1:14:00
  will, or people are quite optimistic about the political,
• 1:14:02
  cultural and yeah, socioeconomical, socioeconomic
• 1:14:07
  direction. Yeah.
• 1:14:08
  But when it's a little uncertain when geopolitical tensions are
• 1:14:13
  around, for example, I don't think because me personally, I'm
• 1:14:18
  not, I'm not an expert, I didn't do IR, I'm just a journalist or
• 1:14:22
  I was just a journalist. But I that you can, you can see
• 1:14:27
  that there is a really, really great deal of tension between
• 1:14:33
  Western countries and other Western countries and then
• 1:14:38
  Western countries with Eastern countries as well, for example.
• 1:14:40
  So it's a little bit like and perhaps and, and, and, and a lot
• 1:14:45
  of, and a lot of, you know, economic uncertainty as well.
• 1:14:48
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• 1:15:16
  Yeah, go on. Yeah, I'm actually quite.
• 1:15:19
  I'm quite surprised that we have nostalgia for a period of time
• 1:15:24
  that's not that far away from where we are at right now.
• 1:15:28
  That's interesting. It's it's we're not even, we're
• 1:15:32
  not out of the 20 twenties yet. Yeah.
• 1:15:34
  You know, and we're already reminiscing of a time that
• 1:15:38
  wasn't, that was just the last decade.
• 1:15:40
  Yeah. I feel like, you know, decades
• 1:15:43
  used to take a little while longer to be nostalgic, you
• 1:15:47
  know, to be, you know, vintage used to mean, you know, 80s and
• 1:15:51
  when people start to get to get back into like the 80s stuff is
• 1:15:55
  it was probably the 20 tens, you know what I mean?
• 1:15:57
  Yeah. But that's a good like.
• 1:15:58
  This cycle used to. Take yeah, that's a good like 30
• 1:16:02
  years before something can be considered to be nostalgic.
• 1:16:04
  But now, like, I like it, you know, like it's a formative time
• 1:16:08
  for all of us, the 20 tens. But like, I also think like,
• 1:16:11
  why? Like already now.
• 1:16:14
  Well, when you think, if you think about it, the 20 tens, I,
• 1:16:17
  I, I, I, I, I feel like if 2010 was like the last time where
• 1:16:22
  people really felt any sense of optimism going back to going
• 1:16:26
  back to the 2000s, for example, Bush was president of the States
• 1:16:29
  and SBA was president here. SBA was definitely like a moment
• 1:16:33
  of a, a moment where people certainly felt more optimistic
• 1:16:36
  about Indonesia. And then moving into 2014 when
• 1:16:42
  Jokowi first became president, I'm not going to comment on his.
• 1:16:46
  I'm not going to comment on his on his actual performance.
• 1:16:48
  And other than other than I'm not particularly happy with it.
• 1:16:52
  But he was like when he first became elected in 2014, he was
• 1:16:57
  in his own right also like a source of optimism for change
• 1:17:01
  within definitely. In the major underselling it, he
• 1:17:04
  was like A New Hope. He was a New Hope.
• 1:17:06
  He was. He was fucking Luke Skywalker
• 1:17:08
  whenever. He was Obama.
• 1:17:10
  Yeah, people, he. Was the.
• 1:17:11
  Change poster, you know the hope poster, whatever it is you know
• 1:17:15
  with. His yeah, you know, yeah, yeah,
• 1:17:16
  like time had the had him on the cover yeah, I know you really
• 1:17:21
  said A New Hope yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:17:23
  Everyone was super optimistic about it because it's like a,
• 1:17:25
  you know, I got to feel. Exactly.
• 1:17:28
  Like big sentiments, he went down to that, to that gut.
• 1:17:32
  Yeah, he did. He really did that wasn't.
• 1:17:34
  That into the ground, yeah. But it's also very, very
• 1:17:37
  interesting because when you think about it, it was only like
• 1:17:39
  two or three years right after the 2008 financial crisis.
• 1:17:42
  So it was difficult to make the argument that things were going
• 1:17:46
  super great anyways. No, but you have to understand,
• 1:17:49
  I know that because it was already on the doubt, because it
• 1:17:51
  we because the the because of the G because the GFC became
• 1:17:55
  like a new rock bottom. Yeah.
• 1:17:57
  Everything was uphill from there.
• 1:17:58
  Oh, so we can only go up from there?
• 1:18:01
  Exactly. And so there was like, and so
• 1:18:02
  there was like a positive economic momentum in which
• 1:18:05
  people more and more people, you know, return to work and more
• 1:18:09
  and more people were able to, were able to not exactly not buy
• 1:18:12
  homes at that point anymore. But yeah, at least rent homes.
• 1:18:16
  Yeah, that's another issue that needs to be discussed, but.
• 1:18:20
  We'll get to the housing episode one day, folks.
• 1:18:22
  Hopefully one day. Yeah, but but, but it but, but
• 1:18:25
  it was on the up and up, right. And so people at first they,
• 1:18:29
  they returned to kind of like their music became more
• 1:18:32
  optimistic and it was a little bit more cheery, uppy and stuff
• 1:18:35
  like that. Yeah.
• 1:18:36
  And then came Kanye as well. Whatever happened?
• 1:18:39
  Yeah, but see the thing about the interesting thing about oh,
• 1:18:42
  sorry, are you done? I'm not done, no SO.
• 1:18:43
  Far away, my bad. And then and then Obama.
• 1:18:47
  Obama was already president by the time the 20 tens came.
• 1:18:50
  And, you know, drone strikes at all he did.
• 1:18:53
  He was a major point of of optimism for a lot of American
• 1:18:57
  pop culture, which in turn affected a lot of the worldwide
• 1:19:01
  pop culture as well, because America at that point was still
• 1:19:03
  at the epicenter of pop. Culture.
• 1:19:05
  Yeah, dude, Obama, I got racism over.
• 1:19:08
  We solved it. We solved.
• 1:19:09
  We solved racism. I mean, a lot of wins, a lot of
• 1:19:12
  wins Personally, Not, not not personally.
• 1:19:14
  I'm not gay, but gay, gay, gay gay rights was like finally,
• 1:19:18
  yeah, yeah, admitted in a lot of in a lot of Western countries.
• 1:19:22
  Not Indonesia, which is another kind of worms that needs to be
• 1:19:26
  dealt with, but at least. Stick to it.
• 1:19:28
  Stick to it. Yeah.
• 1:19:29
  But at least like we saw some kind of progress.
• 1:19:32
  Progress, which is a, which is a which is a kind of like a.
• 1:19:36
  We don't, we, we don't, we never really see leftist winds
• 1:19:39
  happening ever, you know? Up until recently of.
• 1:19:42
  Course, yeah, Which is what? When?
• 1:19:43
  Oh yeah, that's true. That's a good point.
• 1:19:46
  Socialist and. Maybe I feel like and and and
• 1:19:51
  perhaps perhaps our going back to the 20 tens, you know, in
• 1:19:56
  style. Yeah, in kind of like the music
• 1:19:58
  that we listen to, it's seeking that sort of like it's once
• 1:20:01
  again looking for that sense of optimism in a time when we feel
• 1:20:06
  like, is this rock bottom or are we?
• 1:20:08
  Or is it just going to get worse?
• 1:20:10
  Yeah. You know, because at the point,
• 1:20:13
  because at the point where we're actually, you know, kind of
• 1:20:15
  going back on the up, yeah, we're not going to be seeing,
• 1:20:19
  you know, nostalgia anymore. We're going to be seeing some
• 1:20:21
  real hyper experimental shit. Yeah, you know what I mean.
• 1:20:24
  When you when you go or some real hyper experiment.
• 1:20:28
  The hell, The hell. Out of everything exactly, you
• 1:20:30
  know. We need to stop doing this joke.
• 1:20:32
  Exercise Nadima Karim. The Speed of out.
• 1:20:35
  Of this fucking new kinds of music based on based on, you
• 1:20:38
  know, based on other based on old music, but certainly like or
• 1:20:42
  Spiral music, but certainly new kinds of music, yeah new kinds
• 1:20:45
  of films for sure and new kind. Sorry, are you?
• 1:20:47
  Saying this to the 20 tense for now.
• 1:20:49
  No, for the future, for the future forward, for the future
• 1:20:52
  where optimism thrives in the world.
• 1:20:54
  I wonder what that's going to be.
• 1:20:55
  I don't fucking know, man. We'd be.
• 1:20:57
  We might be dead before that happens.
• 1:20:59
  I hope not. I don't know if that's
• 1:21:01
  necessarily going to be true because sometimes, you know, the
• 1:21:04
  same way recession pop was very popular, we get on some hyper
• 1:21:08
  experiment experimental shit when we are hitting rock bottom.
• 1:21:13
  It's just never mainstream. It always becomes mainstream.
• 1:21:16
  Maybe like 5 to 10 years afterwards but like.
• 1:21:20
  Hotel like can you? Can you find an example?
• 1:21:23
  I feel like so this is also going to lead to my next answer.
• 1:21:27
  I'm trying not to spend too much time on this because we are
• 1:21:29
  running out of time, but I think when we hit rock bottom, a lot
• 1:21:34
  of people really strive not to feel very, very similar to yours
• 1:21:41
  because they want to like feel on the up and up.
• 1:21:44
  They start going through like more experimental shit.
• 1:21:47
  But that also means that like when the mainstream cycle sort
• 1:21:51
  of like pauses for a second because there's a crisis, the
• 1:21:54
  non mainstream voices become a little bit louder where where
• 1:21:59
  like, you know, it's not really that like it catapults like a
• 1:22:03
  sideline artists, marginalized artists up.
• 1:22:06
  It just sort of like, you know, everyone hits rock bottom and
• 1:22:10
  now everyone's on the same level.
• 1:22:11
  And then people are being like, oh, what's that hyper?
• 1:22:14
  Like, you know, what's that weird, not really mainstream
• 1:22:17
  sound that I'm listening right now.
• 1:22:19
  And that becomes sort of like titled into the mainstream and
• 1:22:21
  like, that's kind of what happened, you know?
• 1:22:23
  No, that's a really good point, yeah.
• 1:22:24
  Because like, I feel the same way about like artists like
• 1:22:28
  Charlie XCX now where it's like, you know, we are sort of hitting
• 1:22:32
  that stage where like, Oh yeah, people are like, you know,
• 1:22:35
  'cause like for the longest time, you know, pop, the sound
• 1:22:39
  of pop was Taylor Swift since like 2012 or 14, right?
• 1:22:44
  Even before then. Yeah, even before then, but
• 1:22:46
  like, that's when she really like cemented her, you know,
• 1:22:48
  with like Red and like 1989, you know, the, the period between
• 1:22:54
  2010 and 2015 was really when she cemented.
• 1:22:56
  Like this is she is the pop icon.
• 1:22:59
  And then now it's starting to die down.
• 1:23:01
  Like, you know, like brat summer happened and suddenly everything
• 1:23:04
  was brat. And if you listen to Brat,
• 1:23:06
  that's like, that's like shit that I wouldn't expect people to
• 1:23:11
  be listening to, if I'm going to be really honest.
• 1:23:17
  Right. It's like it's super edgy.
• 1:23:18
  It's very, very dark. It's also very, very like pop
• 1:23:22
  starry, but in a very, very like edgy way that like, you know,
• 1:23:26
  that definitely would have like wouldn't have flown in like the,
• 1:23:28
  the, the, I don't know, during the Taylor Swift era.
• 1:23:32
  And I think that's just like interesting.
• 1:23:34
  And I think that's, I don't know, I think that's just sort
• 1:23:38
  of like the way that like when certain things, when certain bad
• 1:23:44
  things happen, culture kind of pauses.
• 1:23:47
  And maybe for the 20 tens, that was the global financial crisis
• 1:23:51
  and then for us, it was sort of the pandemic because.
• 1:23:55
  Like I can see that. I have a friend who has this
• 1:23:58
  theory that like for this is going to sound really
• 1:24:02
  dismissive, but like for normies who don't know what culture is,
• 1:24:06
  who always had to be like, you know, just listen to mainstream
• 1:24:09
  stuff. When the pandemic happened,
• 1:24:13
  people kind of just like pop culture sort of like halted and
• 1:24:17
  grinded to a halt whether they liked it or not.
• 1:24:19
  And people were kind of being like, damn.
• 1:24:21
  And people were all like self isolating quarantine.
• 1:24:23
  People were like, damn, I need a personality, right?
• 1:24:28
  And since then, pop culture has been sort of like imploding into
• 1:24:33
  like faster and faster cycles where, you know, in the last two
• 1:24:36
  years we've been adopting like, you know, Y2K 90, shit became
• 1:24:39
  like really, really back into the thing.
• 1:24:42
  And then now we've zoomed past the 2000s and coming.
• 1:24:46
  Into the 20. 10s right? But we're not seeing skinny
• 1:24:49
  jeans coming back anytime soon. I God, I hope not, but I have
• 1:24:53
  seen it come back on like TikTok and sometimes I see it unlike on
• 1:24:57
  like the streets, you know, the, the, the, the.
• 1:24:59
  Heidi. Yeah, the Heidi Slimane.
• 1:25:02
  Yeah, because I donated all of my.
• 1:25:03
  Jeans what? Because you did.
• 1:25:05
  Yeah. I donated all of mine.
• 1:25:07
  I gotta go back now. No.
• 1:25:10
  Just when I thought I was getting hip with the kids.
• 1:25:13
  Just we know we're always, we are at that age where we are
• 1:25:16
  always behind the curve now. Yeah, you just got to spend more
• 1:25:20
  time on Tumblr, guys. No, I'm gonna.
• 1:25:22
  I'm gonna. Get on TikTok.
• 1:25:24
  I'm, I'm, I got to be honest, I'm happy with how old I am.
• 1:25:27
  I'm like, I'm not like same. I'm not like I make.
• 1:25:29
  Jokes about it. I try not to be young.
• 1:25:31
  I make jokes about it, but like I'm, I'm, I'm inching towards 30
• 1:25:34
  and I'm like, yeah, it's OK. I'm 30.
• 1:25:36
  Yeah, I'm not 30. I'm 28.
• 1:25:38
  But like, you know, that's. One thing that might.
• 1:25:40
  As well be 30. Yeah.
• 1:25:41
  One thing that we do have to keep in mind though is that 2020
• 1:25:44
  was about is, is about to be 6 years ago.
• 1:25:47
  We are halfway through the 20s. Yeah, we are.
• 1:25:50
  We are closer to 2050 than we are to 2000.
• 1:25:53
  Yeah, and that's crazy. I don't know how.
• 1:25:55
  I feel about that. That's insane, yeah.
• 1:25:57
  And we are closer to 2045 than we are to.
• 1:26:03
  Your your your your campaign, you mean?
• 1:26:05
  Yeah, my campaign, yeah. Campaign much?
• 1:26:07
  What should my what should my what should my motto be?
• 1:26:10
  What? What should my motto be?
• 1:26:11
  Fuck it, we ball. Fuck it, we ball.
• 1:26:15
  We're so back. Yeah, we'll take you back to the
• 1:26:18
  20 tens. Take you back to the 20 tens
• 1:26:20
  whenever the good old. We'll be 20.
• 1:26:22
  Specifically that four year period between 2010 and 2004,
• 1:26:27
  2000. 14 well I will be 2044 as Joko we bro yeah super
• 1:26:31
  optimistic at 1st and I'll just. Super optimistic.
• 1:26:33
  At first, a a pretty decent first period and an an
• 1:26:36
  absolutely shitty second period. Yeah, followed by a crisis.
• 1:26:40
  And a complete betrayal of my original values.
• 1:26:42
  Yeah. Political Dynasty.
• 1:26:43
  Yeah, and then a fast slide into fascism five years after that.
• 1:26:47
  Yeah, there you go. Fantastic.
• 1:26:49
  I'm looking forward to that. I, I, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm going
• 1:26:52
  to be real with you folks. I did a bit of a research of
• 1:26:55
  like because there were a lot of comparisons between the Twenty
• 1:26:58
  20s and the Roaring 20s. Yeah, I've been reading about
• 1:27:03
  that too. Yeah.
• 1:27:04
  But like, yeah, considering how like culture was also really,
• 1:27:08
  really popping and hedonistic and also like very, very
• 1:27:10
  experimental in that page as well.
• 1:27:13
  And that was mainly because they hit rock bottom in the in their
• 1:27:16
  version of like the 20 tens, you know?
• 1:27:19
  The 1910s, yeah. The nine.
• 1:27:20
  Sorry. Yeah, yeah, the. 1910s they're
• 1:27:24
  written of the 20 tens. I wonder what it was 19?
• 1:27:29
  10s No, yeah, they really fucking hit rock bottom and they
• 1:27:33
  started being like super experimental with it.
• 1:27:36
  When was the Great Depression again?
• 1:27:37
  It was 19. It was like the 1930s.
• 1:27:39
  Yeah, 19. So that's coming up next.
• 1:27:40
  That's coming up next. Imagine being the people in the
• 1:27:43
  roaring 20s row No Yeah, like like you, you you got out of
• 1:27:46
  like a bad situation, like nothing bad.
• 1:27:48
  It's ever gonna happen the. Biggest war?
• 1:27:51
  No, cuz like if you look at the, if you look at the parallels,
• 1:27:53
  you know, the, the COVID-19 pandemic, the 1918 flu pandemic,
• 1:27:59
  yeah, the global War on Terror. They got World War One, we are
• 1:28:04
  living and then the roaring 20s where everything was sort of
• 1:28:07
  good very, very temporarily before everything crashed again
• 1:28:09
  there, you know, the, the, the, the tech startup boom.
• 1:28:12
  See today summer. Yeah.
• 1:28:14
  As a pivotal moment in 20. 5 So I don't know, we might hit a
• 1:28:17
  great irreversible economic a crash in the next five years,
• 1:28:23
  and then ten years after that fascism comes back in a big way.
• 1:28:26
  I mean, fascism is already coming back, let's be real.
• 1:28:29
  It's been back. It's been back, yeah.
• 1:28:31
  There's a lot of parallels. And that was the Weimar Republic
• 1:28:33
  actually, which is the 20 tens and the 20 thirties, sorry, in
• 1:28:37
  the 1910s. With like America or with like
• 1:28:39
  Indonesia? Everywhere, really.
• 1:28:42
  Sort of like a great big showdown between leftists and
• 1:28:47
  conservatives. Like fascists and left wingers
• 1:28:50
  was the Weimar Republic of the 1920s Nineteen 10.
• 1:28:53
  So like, I don't know. So if you trace it back, then
• 1:28:56
  lots of civil wars, the good decades will be the 60s to the
• 1:28:59
  80s. Will we still be?
• 1:29:01
  Old are we going to be at that time?
• 1:29:03
  I'll be 70. Buck.
• 1:29:05
  Yeah, be 70 years, yeah. Shit, we're going to be the
• 1:29:08
  booze. Yeah, no, yeah.
• 1:29:09
  It's crazy. I don't know.
• 1:29:11
  Can we enjoy that time? I feel.
• 1:29:14
  Again with modern medicine. I'm I don't know.
• 1:29:17
  We don't know 28. Yeah, 28.
• 1:29:20
  We are all 28. Given, given your predictions,
• 1:29:24
  it is now 2025, that means that an A war is about to break out
• 1:29:29
  in 2037. Yes, 2039. 2039 yeah, yeah,
• 1:29:34
  yeah. At that point we would be 20 +
• 1:29:37
  1442. We would still be military age
• 1:29:40
  fellas. Yeah, we can be.
• 1:29:42
  Drafted. I don't know if I like.
• 1:29:43
  That I'll desert. I I have nothing but the best
• 1:29:47
  for you 2 in the future. I have a feeling that I've made
• 1:29:52
  peace with that. I'm probably going to die before
• 1:29:55
  I hit like 60 or 70. Almost 70.
• 1:29:58
  Yeah, Given not just like my lifestyle choice in the sense
• 1:30:02
  that like, Oh yeah, I'm like, I don't know, I'm, I'm, I'm eating
• 1:30:04
  trashy food, I'm drinking myself to death.
• 1:30:06
  But just like, you know, like seeing the way that the world is
• 1:30:09
  turning, like I don't think I'm going to live to see like 60 or
• 1:30:11
  70. And I'm OK with that.
• 1:30:13
  But I have nothing for the best. No, nothing but the best for for
• 1:30:16
  y'alls. I'm not OK with that.
• 1:30:18
  I want to retire with my wife. No, yeah, that's a final.
• 1:30:21
  He's. Not asking you.
• 1:30:22
  He's not asking you to die with him.
• 1:30:24
  I'm not asking. You to die, I.
• 1:30:27
  Know you're not seeing 60. They're coming with me.
• 1:30:31
  I'm I'm taking both of. You.
• 1:30:34
  But yeah. OK, well, I don't know how I how
• 1:30:37
  we should respond to that because what?
• 1:30:40
  A great what? A great what?
• 1:30:42
  A what? A kind of sad.
• 1:30:43
  On that note. It's a really dark ending to the
• 1:30:46
  podcast episode. Holy crap man, we need optimism.
• 1:30:52
  We need optimism. We need optimism and I think
• 1:30:54
  that's exactly why we're looking back in the 20 tens.
• 1:30:57
  Yeah, because there were. We need optimism, which is why
• 1:31:00
  2045 optimism comes back. Optimism comes back in a big
• 1:31:04
  way. Yeah, 2044 is, is is election
• 1:31:06
  year. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:31:06
  You just have to wait until that time.
• 1:31:09
  Yeah. It's, it's all OK right now.
• 1:31:12
  Bad stuff. And then optimism goes back 24.
• 1:31:16
  Yeah. Yeah, there we.
• 1:31:17
  Go hold up until that time. You got to be chopped and cooked
• 1:31:20
  before you can serve. Yeah, serve in the military, but
• 1:31:28
  like, yeah, optimism, right? Yeah, it's, it's a, I think it's
• 1:31:33
  hard. I think, you know, you should
• 1:31:34
  kind of like caution people from, you know, it's, it's fun
• 1:31:39
  to be nostalgic and look back, yeah, on the good old days.
• 1:31:43
  But maybe if you look back on it in the 20 tens, maybe during
• 1:31:46
  those times, if you really think about it and when you're really
• 1:31:49
  back there, you probably didn't think those times were the good
• 1:31:51
  times. Yeah, you were probably looking
• 1:31:54
  forward to like, Oh my God, you know the. 20 months, get me the
• 1:31:56
  fuck out of here, you know? Yeah, yeah.
• 1:31:58
  Not really. It's you're all you never know
• 1:32:01
  when you're in the good times, you know, or or like you take it
• 1:32:04
  for granted most of the time. So really, I think what I can
• 1:32:09
  like tell people is that they can always be happiness and joy
• 1:32:13
  and optimism found anywhere. Like it's up to you to find it.
• 1:32:17
  Like it's a choice for you to be able to find something to be
• 1:32:22
  grateful about, to be joyful about, to be happy about.
• 1:32:25
  It doesn't have happiness isn't a destination, It's not a it's
• 1:32:28
  not, there's not a point in time like, OK, when this happens or
• 1:32:33
  at this time, I will be happy or I will be joyful.
• 1:32:35
  This will I will reach the good times eventually.
• 1:32:38
  The good times exist around you. The good times is today, you
• 1:32:40
  know, and all you have is today. Yeah, here's a question.
• 1:32:44
  Here's a question for you. At what point or name?
• 1:32:49
  Name any media that you've consumed.
• 1:32:52
  No, not now that you've consumed, but that you feel is
• 1:32:55
  like that you feel marked the end of the 20 tens for you,
• 1:33:00
  Mark. The end of the Twenty 10s.
• 1:33:04
  Mark the end of the Twenty 10s. I think.
• 1:33:10
  It it can be music and. Movie this is this is something
• 1:33:12
  that I wanted to bring up earlier, but I think that's also
• 1:33:15
  a defining piece of media for 20 tens.
• 1:33:17
  And when it ended, the 20 tens ended to Game of Thrones.
• 1:33:20
  Damn. I.
• 1:33:22
  Feel like, I feel like it was it was the that brought the age of,
• 1:33:27
  well, you could argue Sopranos and and the Wire before it, but
• 1:33:31
  like Game of Thrones, that was prestige television and it, you
• 1:33:34
  know, it ran throughout the 20 tens and you, you see it kind of
• 1:33:38
  like peak in like the seasons four or five or so.
• 1:33:42
  It's like the middle of the 20 tenth and then it it slowly,
• 1:33:46
  slowly and and quickly it. Was the major fall.
• 1:33:50
  It was. Well, it was.
• 1:33:51
  It was initially slow fall and it ended like a completely free
• 1:33:54
  fall. Yeah, but like when that ended,
• 1:33:57
  so did I guess the spirit of the 20 tens.
• 1:34:00
  I felt like damn in some in in in some capacity.
• 1:34:03
  What a horrible ending as well. What a horrible way to end
• 1:34:06
  Twenty 10s. I know.
• 1:34:08
  My. Goodness, what?
• 1:34:09
  What, what? What do you think then?
• 1:34:10
  I think very similarly around the around very same time end
• 1:34:17
  game. End game, yeah.
• 1:34:19
  Yeah, and like the end. That did really, really did.
• 1:34:22
  Feel like a cap of good Marvel because after that came a bunch
• 1:34:25
  of very mad Marvel. No Far From Home was fantastic
• 1:34:29
  though. Yeah, like, no.
• 1:34:31
  Way. Sorry, no way.
• 1:34:32
  No Way Home, but that's kind of like the exception.
• 1:34:34
  I will. I will take it.
• 1:34:35
  No Way Home. Really, really good, but it's
• 1:34:37
  kind of like the exception. Yeah.
• 1:34:39
  That's true. It was like, yeah, because even
• 1:34:40
  far from home, I don't. Remember, I don't like it.
• 1:34:43
  I didn't like. It it was very, it was not bad,
• 1:34:45
  but it was also. Yeah.
• 1:34:47
  Far from. Memorable.
• 1:34:48
  It's not, it's not a, it's not a far.
• 1:34:49
  From home. Oh, far from memorable.
• 1:34:50
  It's not. It's not a complete fall off,
• 1:34:53
  but you can. It's not the same.
• 1:34:55
  It's not the same as it used. It didn't hit the same way.
• 1:34:57
  There would be good movies here and then, but like even the the
• 1:35:01
  the hype and excitement for those things were whose that
• 1:35:06
  still exist don't hit the same way as they did.
• 1:35:10
  And I think that goes for also like a lot of different things.
• 1:35:12
  That's not just Marvel movies or movies in general isn't.
• 1:35:15
  That crazy end game though, yeah, what a what a what a way,
• 1:35:18
  what a way to to to end the 2010.
• 1:35:21
  Yeah, literally had end in the title.
• 1:35:23
  Yeah. And it was just crazy, the
• 1:35:26
  cultural. World and there was there Marvel
• 1:35:29
  didn't release anything in like like yeah, until after 2020 I
• 1:35:35
  think. Yeah, because and you also, but
• 1:35:36
  you also have to remember that like, you know, the pandemic.
• 1:35:38
  Yeah, the pandemic. Yeah, exactly that kind of like
• 1:35:40
  I think you know what, what, what, what signal to edit its
• 1:35:44
  maintenance was the pandemic. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:35:46
  That was a cultural shift. Yeah, that was also, but I'm
• 1:35:48
  also trying to I. Was a slap to the face.
• 1:35:50
  I'm also trying to remember media that went out during the
• 1:35:54
  pandemic, and I fucking can't because my mind is just a blur
• 1:35:57
  during those. Like honestly, yeah, 9 to 12
• 1:35:59
  months. Such a weird time.
• 1:36:02
  I don't know, maybe I know The Weekend dropped the new album.
• 1:36:06
  Yeah, Blinding, blinding lights. Blinding lights was, yeah.
• 1:36:09
  Blinding lights, I think yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:36:11
  Other than end game I think blinding lights was like.
• 1:36:13
  A lot of disco, a lot of. Disco dua lipa dua lipa feature
• 1:36:16
  nostalgia, that was. Yeah, Dua Lipa's feature
• 1:36:22
  Nostalgia. What was this album?
• 1:36:24
  What was this song? The.
• 1:36:25
  The. Which one?
• 1:36:26
  Her biggest one, Light Starlight.
• 1:36:30
  I need you. All night.
• 1:36:31
  Come on, dance with me levitating.
• 1:36:34
  Levitating. There you go.
• 1:36:36
  Very a lot. A lot of this got a lot of 80s
• 1:36:38
  and a lot of stuff. I think, yeah, I think the
• 1:36:40
  pandemic and like, blinding lights and levitating really
• 1:36:44
  signaled the end of like. 83. Yeah pre yeah 80s are like pre
• 1:36:50
  millennial nostalgia because after the 2, after the pandemic,
• 1:36:53
  the nostalgia became firmly like 90s, Y2K, 20. 10/20/10 Yeah.
• 1:36:59
  And we? Went through those in the span
• 1:37:01
  of like 4 years which is wild. That is crazy.
• 1:37:05
  That's concerningly quick. No, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:37:08
  What is happening? I saw this TikTok that said
• 1:37:10
  something along the lines of like, Oh yeah, culture is like
• 1:37:12
  collapsing or importing where like, but in in a way, it's like
• 1:37:16
  really good as well because it used to be that like trends.
• 1:37:20
  The way the reason trends used to take so long was because like
• 1:37:22
  it was also sort of like set more by like, you know, cultural
• 1:37:25
  tastemakers, but also like marketing agencies and stuff
• 1:37:28
  like that. And now the reason why it's
• 1:37:30
  imploding or like, if you want the optimism way of looking at
• 1:37:33
  it, it's because like through, you know, like Instagram and
• 1:37:36
  TikTok and YouTube, that's. True, it is an entire cycle.
• 1:37:39
  Their own lanes of like I'm going to I haven't nostalgia for
• 1:37:43
  this specific thing and everyone who, you know, vibes with me can
• 1:37:47
  jump on this wagon and you don't have to necessarily follow that
• 1:37:50
  like whatever the fuck that like, you know, massive
• 1:37:53
  marketing agencies were setting for the tone.
• 1:37:55
  It was just more like the, I hate this term, but like the
• 1:37:57
  democratization of like, you know, media and creating.
• 1:38:02
  I will say like as much as I as much as as as reliant as I am on
• 1:38:06
  social media for my job. Yeah.
• 1:38:08
  Like, and especially, you know, totally normal folks as well, we
• 1:38:11
  post a lot of this on social media too.
• 1:38:13
  I don't know how I feel about the fact that that that every
• 1:38:17
  kind of like interest is compartmentalizing into one
• 1:38:20
  another. And it's kind of concerning how
• 1:38:22
  it makes it different. It would then make it kind of
• 1:38:24
  difficult for these communities to communicate with each other
• 1:38:27
  in a way that relates themselves to one another.
• 1:38:30
  You know what I mean? Yeah, like I'm not saying I want
• 1:38:33
  to talk to neo Nazis or anything, you know?
• 1:38:36
  I want to punch them, not talk to them.
• 1:38:38
  Exactly. They, they know the only good
• 1:38:40
  Nazis are dead Nazis. There you go.
• 1:38:42
  Right. But I mean, like for, for, for
• 1:38:47
  people that are for people that are kind of within the, the,
• 1:38:51
  the, the medium place of that spectrum.
• 1:38:54
  Yeah. It's it's, it's almost, it's
• 1:38:58
  very difficult to connect with them, Yeah, because of just how
• 1:39:02
  isolated a lot of these parts of the Internet is.
• 1:39:05
  Yeah. It's.
• 1:39:06
  Even even our when you when you think about it, even our
• 1:39:09
  friendship group is isn't an isolated bubble on it's own.
• 1:39:12
  Yeah, you're just saying it's just like people are retreating
• 1:39:15
  into their own bubbles and kind of like.
• 1:39:18
  Yeah, I wouldn't put it that way.
• 1:39:19
  But yeah, the I don't think people are retreating into their
• 1:39:23
  own bubbles. I think you know very, very rich
• 1:39:29
  misguided billionaires in Silicon Valley wrote a bunch of
• 1:39:33
  math that kind of like funneled people into different little
• 1:39:39
  algorithm. That's exactly what it is.
• 1:39:40
  Because it was like, it was a honestly, it was a really great
• 1:39:43
  way to make money, right, If you want to go back to that.
• 1:39:46
  But like, you know, I feel like people are trying to do that
• 1:39:51
  more or or are trying to break out the bubble.
• 1:39:54
  I hope so, yeah. I think, yeah, with like, you
• 1:39:57
  know, like, like, you know, the things like like Discord
• 1:39:59
  communities and like, I don't know, like kind of reading lists
• 1:40:05
  and especially more of a twist, not A twist, but more of a turn
• 1:40:10
  to like do more offline stuff and like touch some grass.
• 1:40:15
  It used to be like a very online insult.
• 1:40:16
  Now it's a it's a mantra for a lot of people being like, I have
• 1:40:19
  to go touch grass, go see people, you know.
• 1:40:23
  I think there is going to be a move towards more because with
• 1:40:26
  AI, anything going on, yeah, you're right.
• 1:40:29
  Like really, really nothing you see online can truly be trusted.
• 1:40:35
  You'll never know who whether or not the person you're watching
• 1:40:38
  is, even the person at all. So there's going to be like a
• 1:40:41
  higher value attributed to offline experiences, workshops,
• 1:40:48
  the parties get together. 3rd spaces.
• 1:40:50
  Yeah, yeah, yeah. Book Clubs.
• 1:40:52
  Because it doesn't, it doesn't count.
• 1:40:54
  It doesn't matter if it's not, if it doesn't have an offline
• 1:40:57
  presence, Yeah, we should do like a podcast in the park or
• 1:41:00
  something. That'd be great, no?
• 1:41:01
  We should. We should.
• 1:41:02
  Can you name a park in Jakarta that we can use?
• 1:41:05
  Lavan Banding. Oh, that's true.
• 1:41:06
  Lavan banding is nice. It is.
• 1:41:08
  It is hot Lavan banging, right? Don't cross the street from
• 1:41:11
  Kawai. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:41:12
  That's, that's, that's a good option.
• 1:41:13
  We'll do a they're renovating. Oh, really?
• 1:41:16
  Yeah. How about the one in Like
• 1:41:18
  Gebeka? No, no, no, no.
• 1:41:20
  Don't touch Gebeka. Yeah, we cannot bring a camera.
• 1:41:22
  You. You.
• 1:41:23
  You. You.
• 1:41:23
  OK, how about because I've seen a lot of people do it, how
• 1:41:26
  about, you know what, we're going to discuss this later, but
• 1:41:28
  how about like, you know, if you go to like the softball stadium
• 1:41:32
  on an off. Day the place where my wife had
• 1:41:34
  her birthday party. Yeah.
• 1:41:39
  That's doable. I don't.
• 1:41:40
  Know yeah, I think it's that's the least.
• 1:41:41
  We'll workshop. It the least monitored 1.
• 1:41:44
  But I feel like as well, yeah. You want to round it up.
• 1:41:47
  Yeah, OK, so we've been going for about an hour and 40
• 1:41:50
  minutes, and you know what, to round us off, I'm going to ask
• 1:41:53
  you all one question and I'm going to finish with that.
• 1:41:56
  What's one song that when you hear it, you get transported
• 1:42:00
  back? Sweet, sweet disposition for
• 1:42:05
  you. This position, that's probably
• 1:42:14
  that, yeah. So decision, yeah.
• 1:42:16
  It's it's got to be an EDM track.
• 1:42:17
  I would say animals. Martin Garrix or.
• 1:42:25
  We we, we can't mouse sing that unfortunately because hey, it
• 1:42:27
  was goes too hard. Hey, brother Avicii.
• 1:42:30
  Hey. Hey.
• 1:42:31
  Brother. There's an endless room to
• 1:42:35
  rediscover. I had a conversation with my
• 1:42:39
  Malaysian friend and for some reason that song was still
• 1:42:41
  really popular over there. It's just like been captured by
• 1:42:44
  the Malaysian zeitgeist for some.
• 1:42:46
  Reason. It's just so full of soul, man.
• 1:42:48
  For an EDM track, it's so full of soul.
• 1:42:50
  It is funny, yeah. Probably something I also
• 1:42:52
  probably something from AM Arctic Monkeys dude.
• 1:42:55
  That is so. True.
• 1:42:57
  You didn't get to talk about. Arctic Monkeys.
• 1:43:00
  Yeah, Your favorite band? What's the what's a what's a
• 1:43:06
  good AM song? Yeah.
• 1:43:08
  Do I want to know? Do I want to?
• 1:43:10
  That's probably it. Yeah.
• 1:43:14
  Yeah. Do I want to know?
• 1:43:16
  Definitely. Like a big, big twenty 10s kind
• 1:43:20
  of like song. Maybe also sweater weather up
• 1:43:23
  within there. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that, that's
• 1:43:26
  probably for me. You know the.
• 1:43:26
  Neighborhood is still around right now.
• 1:43:28
  They are still around. Around they're they're they're
• 1:43:30
  sound of shit. But sweater.
• 1:43:31
  But sweater weather is the in the rock.
• 1:43:35
  Yeah, yeah. And the.
• 1:43:36
  Lesbian song. The lesbian song.
• 1:43:38
  It is. I don't know why lesbian Tumblr
• 1:43:41
  claimed, like staked a flag on that.
• 1:43:43
  And like, this is the lesbian song.
• 1:43:45
  And it's still, like, in a lot of circles of the Internet, if
• 1:43:47
  you grew up in, like, around those circles would be like,
• 1:43:49
  yeah, this is a very, very lesbian song for some reason.
• 1:43:52
  The lesbians really like their sweaters.
• 1:43:53
  Yeah, they're probably. So what's?
• 1:43:56
  Up with you. It would probably be A Polish
• 1:44:01
  Girl by Neon Indian. Okay, yeah.
• 1:44:04
  I don't know why, I think it just I just had like a lot of
• 1:44:07
  memories. Yeah, probably a lot of the
• 1:44:08
  memories. A lot of this memories.
• 1:44:10
  And then when that song comes out, I'm just like, you know,
• 1:44:13
  like I, I, I don't know, I just got like, I transport it back
• 1:44:18
  and I like get very, very like strong, like, like visual
• 1:44:21
  memories even of like all the places that I would go to with
• 1:44:24
  my high school friends sharing that dinky Ah, it's leaving like
• 1:44:28
  fucker. It's still transferring you.
• 1:44:30
  Know it's transferring the viruses too, it's still.
• 1:44:32
  Transferring all the viruses. That's part of the magic, man
• 1:44:34
  it. Has USB aids.
• 1:44:35
  USB aids. But probably also a lot of like
• 1:44:40
  2 door Cinema club songs. Like, yeah, yeah, very much
• 1:44:43
  like, you know, definitely very 20/20/10.
• 1:44:45
  Yeah, it's being like, wow, yeah, we watched them.
• 1:44:49
  Yeah, we watched them live. It was incredibly.
• 1:44:50
  Yeah, we all watched 2 Door Cinema Club.
• 1:44:52
  Yeah, when they came. Here they were here they were
• 1:44:54
  here last. Year I remember.
• 1:44:56
  Never blast, Yeah. Yeah, never blast.
• 1:44:58
  I wasn't there, but I remember, yeah.
• 1:45:00
  Great night, great night. Damn.
• 1:45:03
  Yeah, well, we have been, Daniel.
• 1:45:08
  Do we? Do we?
• 1:45:09
  We don't usually do. No, we don't usually.
• 1:45:11
  Do it. We also introduce ourselves in
• 1:45:13
  the beginnings of we just, but now it's in the end.
• 1:45:15
  Yeah, we just usually trail off, so it's like it'll.
• 1:45:17
  Be really funny if every single no, because like every single
• 1:45:20
  ending that we've had so far has been different.
• 1:45:22
  So I have been Daniel with TNF. I'm I'm.
• 1:45:29
  Yeah, you you also have a name which you will say eventually.
• 1:45:35
  What is my name? Oh, I am Indonesia.
• 1:45:38
  Last week of Sati Pharmacy. Oh, and that's not right.
• 1:45:43
  Yeah. And.
• 1:45:44
  And I've been Aria for also TNF and the and and and we have one
• 1:45:50
  more guy. Oh yeah, we.
• 1:45:51
  Haven't we haven't Like you haven't shouted out any of your
• 1:45:54
  other? Other Oh I got a shout out
• 1:45:55
  anyway, my my projects are TNF because nobody watches all the
• 1:45:59
  other shit. Not yet, but.
• 1:46:02
  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You got to go and.
• 1:46:04
  Keep. Going and also.
• 1:46:07
  That's that's about it. Yeah, that's.
• 1:46:09
  About it. All right, All right.
• 1:46:10
  Yeah, All right. Later.
• 1:46:12
  See you guys. Yep.
• 1:46:13
  All right.