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The Kenny Report | 21 August · The Kenny Report

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  Speaker 1: Line from the Sky New Center. This is the Kenny Report.
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  Speaker 1: Thanks for joining me tonight.
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  Speaker 2: Federal Parliament is drowning in hypocrisy and cynicism as the
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  Speaker 2: Tills and Labor try to claim the high moral ground
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  Speaker 2: on sexism in politics, and instead of answering questions on
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  Speaker 2: the guards of Visa's issue, the Prime Minister goes with
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  Speaker 2: abusing the Coalition, and in a similar vein in the US,
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  Speaker 2: the Obamas take the stage in Chicago and accuse Donald
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  Speaker 2: Trump of racism and Facebook pulls the plug on some
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  Speaker 2: key facts in the nuclear energy debate. Also Pauline Hanson,
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  Speaker 2: Alexander Downer and the Wednesday wrangle.
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  Speaker 1: Let's get started.
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  Speaker 2: The hypocrisy and cynicism was flowing thick and fast in
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  Speaker 2: Canberra today. Let's start with the Tills, who say they
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  Speaker 2: fight for integrity yet operate like a party while pretending
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  Speaker 2: to be independents. They've always attacked the Coalition non women's issues.
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  Speaker 2: That's a large part of the reason they're in Parliament.
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  Speaker 2: So there they were again today trying to take the
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  Speaker 2: high moral ground, attacking the Coalition over alleged misogyny and
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  Speaker 2: bullying in parliament.
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  Speaker 3: Overwhelminglyct the conduct is by mail and peace. And as
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  Speaker 3: others have said, some who have been in this place
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  Speaker 3: too long, who I think have lost touch with what
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  Speaker 3: is acceptable behavior outside this place, and think that because
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  Speaker 3: you describe this place as a bubble, somehow it condones
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  Speaker 3: a different standard of behavior.
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  Speaker 1: It doesn't.
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  Speaker 2: Really Stegel calling for higher standards of political debate in
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  Speaker 2: the chamber when.
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  Speaker 1: Just last week she went with this, we hurt you
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  Speaker 1: in silence. You can hear me in silence. Stop being racily.
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  Speaker 2: This really is pathetic stuff and it's all deliberately conjured
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  Speaker 2: up for cynical political gain.
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  Speaker 4: One of the colleagues across the chamber called out rip
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  Speaker 4: him another one, and I'm like, how is this behavior
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  Speaker 4: that is acceptable in the real world.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I'll give you the strong tip that sort of
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  Speaker 2: language is actually.
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  Speaker 1: Common in the real world.
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  Speaker 2: And while parliamentary debate should be better than that, it
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  Speaker 2: also needs to be robust. That's why parliamentary privilege exists
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  Speaker 2: to make sure that debate can be strong and bold
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  Speaker 2: without the handbreak.
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  Speaker 1: Of possible legal action.
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  Speaker 2: This is the clearing house of the nation, the pressure valve,
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  Speaker 2: if you like, in public debate. It's not some genteel
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  Speaker 2: seminar or parlor room discussion.
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  Speaker 1: And then there's this.
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  Speaker 5: Mister Dutton recently, name calling, labeling, denigrating words in the
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  Speaker 5: media is unacceptable. To call colleagues idiots is unacceptable.
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  Speaker 2: Again, is Sophie Scamps playing dumb or does she really
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  Speaker 2: not know that the term useful idiots which was used
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  Speaker 2: by Peter Dutton in a opinion piece in the newspaper.
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  Speaker 2: It's a very well known political term. It's coined by
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  Speaker 2: the Communists, no less, to describe people who unwittingly help
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  Speaker 2: deliver their goals by gormulously accepting their propaganda. Using that
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  Speaker 2: term is not abuse, Sophie scomps, it's a telling political attack.
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  Speaker 2: When it comes to sexism, well, the teals started that
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  Speaker 2: attack against Tony Abbott.
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  Speaker 3: Especially when I've heard some of his comedism, a bit
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  Speaker 3: more derogatory ones about women.
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  Speaker 6: What's the housewives of Australia need to understand as they
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  Speaker 6: do the eyem.
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  Speaker 3: I've always thought that the most appropriate person to take
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  Speaker 3: him down would.
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  Speaker 7: Be a woman.
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  Speaker 2: Steggel ran these lines even while get Up ran vile
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  Speaker 2: ads against Abbot that had to be withdrawn, and others
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  Speaker 2: sprayed abusive graffiti against Abbot. Around the electorate, and then
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  Speaker 2: next time around Staggle ran the same attack against Scott Morrison.
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  Speaker 3: I've observed him over the last three years and I
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  Speaker 3: have repeatedly observed him foul to step up to leadership positions,
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  Speaker 3: but also to show the adequate necessary respect for women.
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  Speaker 3: I stood out at the March for Justice in March
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  Speaker 3: last year when thousands of women around the country were
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  Speaker 3: calling for a more respectful environment, and he foiled.
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  Speaker 1: The Women's March.
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  Speaker 2: That Steggel reference there was the one where Britney Higgins
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  Speaker 2: and others spoke leveling horrible claims against the Morrison government
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  Speaker 2: about a cover up and mistreatment of Higgins over her
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  Speaker 2: rape allegations in Parliament House. This episode was weaponized by
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  Speaker 2: some media by the Teals, Labor and the Greens against
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  Speaker 2: Scott Morrison and the Coalition in the lead up to
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  Speaker 2: the last election. What seemed clear then is now not
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  Speaker 2: in doubt, and that is that those claims were not
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  Speaker 2: fair or true. Indeed, earlier this year, the Bruce Lhman
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  Speaker 2: defamation judgment by Justice Michael Lee found that on the
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  Speaker 2: balance of probabilities, Luhmann raped Higgins, but that there was
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  Speaker 2: no political cover up, as summarized at the time by
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  Speaker 2: the Australian Financial Review. The deeper political conspiracy alleged by
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  Speaker 2: Channel ten and now debunked by Justice Lee turned the
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  Speaker 2: Higgins case into a proxy for broader cultural and political conflicts. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: and that broader political conflict was a wave the Tials
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  Speaker 2: rode into Parliament at the time, climate change, women's issues
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  Speaker 2: and integrity in politics.
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  Speaker 1: That's their mantra.
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  Speaker 2: And now they cynically try to keep this mem alive
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  Speaker 2: to get re elected.
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  Speaker 1: And while we're on.
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  Speaker 2: Hypocrisy, have a look at how the Albanesi government's Finance
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  Speaker 2: Minister Katie Gallagher also tries to take the high moral ground.
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  Speaker 8: We want it to be a good place to work.
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  Speaker 2: We think the Comwealth Parliament should be really the leader.
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  Speaker 8: It should be one of the best places to work.
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  Speaker 1: How high minded of her.
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  Speaker 2: But Gallagher is one of the so called mean girls
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  Speaker 2: of labor who made life hell for the late Senator
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  Speaker 2: Kimberly Kitchen and were instrumental in this public bullying of
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  Speaker 2: Liberal Senator Linda Reynolds as the Higgins issue played out.
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  Speaker 9: I know where this started.
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  Speaker 3: I am now going to go to Senator Sheldon and
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  Speaker 3: give him the call to return to his questioning.
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  Speaker 10: Order.
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  Speaker 9: Sorry, on the handside, we'd like to understand what Jesus
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  Speaker 9: he said.
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  Speaker 11: I know where this where this started?
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  Speaker 1: What do you mean, Senator wrong?
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  Speaker 12: If you want, I really don't think we should be
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  Speaker 12: doing this here, but if you want me to do that, yes,
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  Speaker 12: I think he's I was told by one of your
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  Speaker 12: senators two weeks before about what you're intending to do
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  Speaker 12: with the story.
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  Speaker 3: In my office.
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  Speaker 11: Two weeks before.
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  Speaker 1: I had no knowledge of this.
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  Speaker 13: No one had any knowledge.
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  Speaker 9: Okay, I, how dare you order? Now?
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  Speaker 14: We will move yourself.
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  Speaker 1: Tough stuff.
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  Speaker 2: It was brutal for Reynolds, but Gallagher had to admit
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  Speaker 2: later that, on the contrary, she did have some knowledge
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  Speaker 2: of the Higgins allegations beforehand. So let's be clear about this.
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  Speaker 2: When the Teals and their friends in the Greens and
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  Speaker 2: Labor are accusing the Coalition of misogyny and bullying that
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  Speaker 2: sort of behavior, they are playing cynical and deceptive politics.
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  Speaker 1: They are simply.
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  Speaker 2: Finding a new way to abuse their political opponents with
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  Speaker 2: the support of the left wing and taxpayer funded media,
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  Speaker 2: and it's all about maximizing their own chances of reelection.
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  Speaker 2: This sort of cynicism and hypocrisy needs to be called out,
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  Speaker 2: not rewarded. Sadly, the same hypocrisy and cynicism has been
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  Speaker 2: on display today when it comes to the Gaza visa issue.
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  Speaker 2: The government refuses to answer reasonable questions about what is
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  Speaker 2: a series national security issue?
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  Speaker 8: Prime Minister, Why have we fast tracked visas for nearly
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  Speaker 8: three thousand people from the terrorists controlled Gaza war zone
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  Speaker 8: since October seven? Yet our allies like the UK have
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  Speaker 8: taken in one hundred and sixty eight in the United
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  Speaker 8: States only at seventeen. Many croparable countries require face to
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  Speaker 8: face interviews in third countries or biometric tests to apply
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  Speaker 8: for visa conditions that Albanize government has waived. Was this
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  Speaker 8: decision based on security advice or political expediency?
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  Speaker 2: When it comes to the numbers of visas counceled the
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  Speaker 2: security advice sort, or why Australia has rushed far ahead
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  Speaker 2: of all comparable countries, there are no direct answers.
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  Speaker 15: I'm certainly speaking about the political expediency of those opposite right.
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  Speaker 15: Political expediency that isn't concerned about cost of living precious,
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  Speaker 15: that's not concerned about jobs, that's not concerned about wages.
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  Speaker 15: That's not concerned about our economy, that's not concerned about
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  Speaker 15: social policies, not concerned about environment or tackling climate change
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  Speaker 15: or any of the issues that Australians are talking about
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  Speaker 15: in their households. That is more concerned about the Middle
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  Speaker 15: East than Middle Australia.
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  Speaker 2: Now, the Coalition ramped up its attack, openly accusing Labor
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  Speaker 2: of doing this to bolster its votes in the seats
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  Speaker 2: with large Muslim communities.
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  Speaker 6: Will the Prime Minister concede that in cutting corners on
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  Speaker 6: security assessments to bring in thirteen hundred people from the
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  Speaker 6: terrorist controlled guards of war Zone on tourist visas, he
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  Speaker 6: has made Australia less safe. Will the Prime Minister admit
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  Speaker 6: that this visa for Folks scheme was only done to
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  Speaker 6: show up votes in the seats of Watson, McMahon and Blacksland.
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  Speaker 1: It doesn't This go to his true character.
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  Speaker 2: Still, rather than answers, Labour only responded with abuse.
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  Speaker 15: He continually he continually looks to pretend to pretend that
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  Speaker 15: he's so strong.
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  Speaker 1: But narsiness is not strength. Narsiness is not.
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  Speaker 9: Strength, and punching down on vulnerable.
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  Speaker 1: People is not strength. But that is what this bloke does.
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  Speaker 4: It shows Australia who he really is every day.
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  Speaker 2: And back to the substance here, the Prime Minister keeps
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  Speaker 2: wondering why the opposition's asking these questions now and not
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  Speaker 2: months ago when people were arriving from Gaza.
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  Speaker 1: Well, he seems to have missed the key.
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  Speaker 2: Points that have legitimately raised real concerns. First is the
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  Speaker 2: revelation from ASIO that even Hummus sympathizes terrorist sympathizers could
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  Speaker 2: be allowed in.
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  Speaker 11: If it's just rhetorical re support and they don't have
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  Speaker 11: an ideology or support for a violent stream as an ideology,
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  Speaker 11: then that's not a problem. If they have a support
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  Speaker 11: for that idergy, that will be a problem.
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  Speaker 2: And the other revelation from ASIO was that not all
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  Speaker 2: vis are Apple Cans actually face direct security checks.
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  Speaker 11: They've been issued at visa, they've gone through the process.
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  Speaker 11: Part of that visa process is with criteria hit, they're
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  Speaker 11: referred to my organization and AZIO does its.
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  Speaker 1: Thing, yeah, only when criteria are hit.
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  Speaker 2: And to make matters worse, the Prime Minister misquoted that
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  Speaker 2: comment to make to give everyone an entirely different impression.
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  Speaker 2: Serious issues, serious questions, and they all warrant answers rather
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  Speaker 2: than mere abuse. In the US, the Democrats are getting
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  Speaker 2: very excited at their convention in Chicago. They seem to
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  Speaker 2: think Donald Trump is beaten, that Kamala Harris has this
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  Speaker 2: election in the bag, even though she hasn't done a
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  Speaker 2: press conference yet, or a debate or a serious interview
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  Speaker 2: since she became the presumptive Democrat candidate for the presidency. Still,
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  Speaker 2: with Barack and Michelle Obama speaking at the convention today,
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  Speaker 2: the vibe was triumphant.
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  Speaker 10: I am feeling hopeful because this convention has always been
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  Speaker 10: pretty good to kids with funny names who believe in
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  Speaker 10: a country where anything is possible. The next president of
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  Speaker 10: the United States of America, Kamala Harris.
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  Speaker 1: Yes we can.
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  Speaker 2: They chant it at one stage, replicating the Obama theme.
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  Speaker 2: They even accused Donald Trump of racism. I'll show you
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  Speaker 2: that later. But sure, inside that convention they'll all be
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  Speaker 2: voting for Harris and they all think they're.
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  Speaker 1: On a roll.
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  Speaker 2: But have a look when the liberal left, former CNN
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  Speaker 2: host Don Lemon sampled the views of women away from
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  Speaker 2: the convention, how are.
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  Speaker 10: You feeling about the election.
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  Speaker 16: I'm going for Trump.
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  Speaker 12: I feel like every time they don't want somebody.
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  Speaker 16: Who was good for us to win. They throw somebody
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  Speaker 16: black in our.
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  Speaker 1: Face thing and it's gonna like make us.
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  Speaker 9: Vote for the black person.
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  Speaker 17: I vote for a mama because he was black. I
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  Speaker 17: don't want to vote for her because she's the first
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  Speaker 17: black woman to run for president.
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  Speaker 1: I'm running for Trump. Soft you are? Yeah, yeah, well, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know. I just always been a fan of
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  Speaker 1: hair so that it used to be against Trump. Are
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  Speaker 1: used to live in Virginia.
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  Speaker 17: I saw the bad side of it, but really moving
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  Speaker 17: to Cleveland, but.
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  Speaker 16: I saw the other side of it.
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  Speaker 17: I'm supporting Trump because because it has to change. Yeah,
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  Speaker 17: it has to change. And now I vote more for
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  Speaker 17: what fits me better as a person rather than voting
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  Speaker 17: for the black person.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, they're not so impressed by the whole identity politics vibe.
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  Speaker 1: They're more interested in other things.
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  Speaker 2: Some of them mentioned cost of living pressures as being
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  Speaker 2: a much bigger priority.
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  Speaker 1: Surprise, surprise.
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  Speaker 2: Let's stuck down to Camber now and catch up with
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  Speaker 2: One Nation leader and founder Pauline Hanson.
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  Speaker 1: Thanks for joining us, Pauline.
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  Speaker 2: A big focus from the leftist part today, the Tills,
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  Speaker 2: the Greens, the Labor Party, all talking about making Canberra
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  Speaker 2: and Parliament a kind of gentler place.
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  Speaker 1: Do you buy it?
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  Speaker 18: Not at all, Chris. I think it's you know, hype
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  Speaker 18: from these precious women part you know, going on about
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  Speaker 18: their workness and everything that's happening here. Look, it's a
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  Speaker 18: robust place by all means. And to say that they
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  Speaker 18: want to put in legislation about you know, penalizing parliamentarians
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  Speaker 18: who are bully and harassment all the rest of it,
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  Speaker 18: we are dealt with on the floor of Parliament. If
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  Speaker 18: it's unparliamentary, we're made to apologize withdraw our comments. Then
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  Speaker 18: you have If there is sexual harassment in this place,
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  Speaker 18: then go to the proper authorities, go to the police,
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  Speaker 18: make your complaint there. Why are we putting in place
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  Speaker 18: another bureaucracy of nearly four million dollars a set up
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  Speaker 18: for this? I don't see much of this at all.
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  Speaker 18: Whether it happens in other offices.
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  Speaker 16: I don't know.
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  Speaker 18: Not only that, Chris, who are they going to put
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  Speaker 18: in place? It's another you know, people pushing their own agenda.
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  Speaker 18: I know that this place is so political that if
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  Speaker 18: I make played about different things, it's disregarded because it's
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  Speaker 18: just the two political major political parties in here that
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  Speaker 18: actually gets any heard. Cross benches don't. So it's a
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  Speaker 18: robust place. And I'll say to the tills, if the
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  Speaker 18: kitchen's too hot, darlings, get out of it. All right,
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  Speaker 18: this is a robust place for debating issues.
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  Speaker 2: I got to say, Pauline, even your greatest critics would
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  Speaker 2: have to agree that no woman in Parliament has drawn
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  Speaker 2: more fire from all quarters over decades than you have.
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  Speaker 2: You seem to be doing okay, but have a listened
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  Speaker 2: to one of the tills, Kylie Tink.
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  Speaker 5: I'm told I need to tough enough.
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  Speaker 1: I'm pretty tough.
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  Speaker 5: I have worked on building sites. I have been to
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  Speaker 5: mining sites. I have been the only woman on boards.
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  Speaker 5: I have worked across the Asia Pacific. I am tough
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  Speaker 5: and I'm telling you it's this sort of behavior is
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  Speaker 5: unprofessional and it does not do justice to the nation
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  Speaker 5: that we are, nor set the standard.
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  Speaker 1: There you go, Pauline. Does she need to toughen up?
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  Speaker 8: She needs to grow up?
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  Speaker 18: Actually, you know it's all about okay, been on building sites,
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  Speaker 18: what does that say tell me? Absolutely nothing about it.
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  Speaker 18: It's about your own intestinal fortitude, knowing who you are.
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  Speaker 18: And the fact is it's like sticks and stones will
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  Speaker 18: break my bones, but names will never hurt me. The
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  Speaker 18: oh factor is you know who you are, and that's
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  Speaker 18: why they've never been able to win any arguments with me,
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  Speaker 18: because I know why I'm here, and I'm here to
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  Speaker 18: fight and have a voice in the place for people
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  Speaker 18: out there that don't have a voice. So if you're
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  Speaker 18: not up to it, then get out, get out of
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  Speaker 18: this job, go to your building sites. Because it is
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  Speaker 18: tough at times, but I tell you what, God backbone.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: The thing about it, though, Pauline, is that it's just
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  Speaker 2: also partisan.
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  Speaker 1: They do this.
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  Speaker 2: This is all part of their attack against the Coalition.
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  Speaker 2: They've got to keep the coalitions women's problem alive because
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  Speaker 2: they've been going on about it under Tony Abbott, under
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  Speaker 2: Scott Morrison, and now they want to do the same
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  Speaker 2: under Peter Dutt.
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  Speaker 18: Exactly right, and they keep dragging out the same motto
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  Speaker 18: about you know, Juliu Gillard, what was said at that time,
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  Speaker 18: and Tony Abbott was misogynistic and all the rest of it.
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  Speaker 18: People are fed up with this, and you know, Chris,
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  Speaker 18: if I really thought that it was a horrible place
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  Speaker 18: to work and the harassment and everything was beyond what
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  Speaker 18: we should have to deal with. Then I would be
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  Speaker 18: the first to speak out about it. They're using their feminism,
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  Speaker 18: They're using the women's status when it suits them and
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  Speaker 18: then pull the plug when it doesn't suit them. Where
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  Speaker 18: you can't be woke one minute and I claim to
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  Speaker 18: be a female the next. As I said to you,
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  Speaker 18: I've copped hell over the years, and they wouldn't even
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  Speaker 18: know where to begin with it if they had to
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  Speaker 18: wear what I've had to wear. But I'm still here,
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  Speaker 18: I'm still strong, and no one's taken anything away from me,
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  Speaker 18: and I haven't changed. I still am conscious of other
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  Speaker 18: people's feelings and everything like that. But they might shut
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  Speaker 18: me down from having an opinion, and I will still
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  Speaker 18: voice that opinion.
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  Speaker 2: Now, let's get onto one of the issues of instance
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  Speaker 2: in Canberra today, and that is, of course, the visa
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  Speaker 2: issues out of Gaza. Were you get one snippet of
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  Speaker 2: information from the Prime Minister telling us that none of
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  Speaker 2: the visas that were canceled were on shore. These visas
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  Speaker 2: were canceled before people got to Australia. But what does
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  Speaker 2: this tell us that in at least forty three cases,
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  Speaker 2: our so called security check process approved visas that later
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  Speaker 2: had to be canceled. And we still don't know exactly
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  Speaker 2: what's going on here. When it comes to improving those
• 18:27
  Speaker 2: security checks for any future.
• 18:29
  Speaker 18: Applicants, you won't get to know either, because they won't
• 18:34
  Speaker 18: admit to the fact that the proper security checks were
• 18:37
  Speaker 18: not done on these people before coming out here.
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: So those people.
• 18:41
  Speaker 18: And there are some that, look, Chris, they're getting visitor
• 18:44
  Speaker 18: visas into the country. It should be temporary protection visas.
• 18:48
  Speaker 18: That's what they should be. Now if they've arrived in
• 18:51
  Speaker 18: the country, some are already claiming refugee status. We're going
• 18:55
  Speaker 18: to have a hell of a problem on our hands.
• 18:57
  Speaker 18: We don't know who these people are, what their background,
• 18:59
  Speaker 18: what they are ideology, what their beliefs are, and especially
• 19:03
  Speaker 18: a lot of them would support the MAAS, which is
• 19:05
  Speaker 18: organized terras or recognize terrorists organization. I have grave concerns
• 19:11
  Speaker 18: for this, and this has all become so political that
• 19:15
  Speaker 18: it stinks to high Heaven to me. We should not
• 19:17
  Speaker 18: be taking these people in, and especially when there's no
• 19:20
  Speaker 18: proper security checks done and not everyone is checked by ASIO.
• 19:25
  Speaker 18: They don't do the full security check on them. And
• 19:27
  Speaker 18: do you think he MAAS is going to give us
• 19:30
  Speaker 18: all the information of their backgrounds, where they're criminals, where
• 19:33
  Speaker 18: they've been in prison, what their backgrounds are. No, they're
• 19:36
  Speaker 18: not because the authority is there. The country is and
• 19:38
  Speaker 18: hell of a bloody mess. So where are we going
• 19:40
  Speaker 18: to get the true information of who these people are?
• 19:43
  Speaker 18: Shut the borders, don't bring them in.
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well they're not coming in at the moment, but
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: there are many people still have visas to come in
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: and I think I agree. Labour just has need need
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: to tell us exactly well. They need to improve the
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: security checks, there's no doubt about it. They need to
• 19:59
  Speaker 2: do what the Coalition did and process people properly in
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: third countries before they come here when they're coming out
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: of such a sensitive area. Thanks so much for joining us, Pauline,
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: I appreciate it. Or catch you next week, Pauline Hanson
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: there live in Canbra. Stick around because after the break
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: we're going to talk about dozens of Facebook users claiming
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: censorship has stopped pro nuclear posts being shared, spucking concerns
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: about the silencing of vital information in our national energy debate.
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: Facebook is under fire for censoring posts promoting nuclear For Australia,
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: the pro nuclear lobby that's run by eighteen year.
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: Old Will Shackle.
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: Now, individuals who tried to share a petition to get
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: rid of the legislated ban on nuclear power and a
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: video with entrepreneur Dick Smith had their posts removed, with
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: users warned it looks like you tried to get likes,
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: follows or views in a misleading way. Facebook has tried
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: to play down the issue, but let's get the full
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: story from Will shackle who joins us from Brisbane.
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: Good to talk to you again, Will.
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: Facebook says they're allowing this stuff to be shared now
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: is first up?
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: Is that right? Having no problems anymore?
• 21:11
  Speaker 4: Look, Chris, I'm outraged Facebook had sensored the nuclear debate. Yes,
• 21:14
  Speaker 4: they have now restored it, but I think it's surprising
• 21:17
  Speaker 4: that nuclear energy is the biggest conversation currently in Australia,
• 21:20
  Speaker 4: with the largest organization campaigning for it, and they didn't
• 21:24
  Speaker 4: realize the months that users have been unable to share
• 21:27
  Speaker 4: our petition. I think that is mind boggling. So yes,
• 21:31
  Speaker 4: it has been fixed, but it took way too long,
• 21:34
  Speaker 4: and in the process they let they meant it meant
• 21:37
  Speaker 4: that the facts and reality of nuclear energy was not
• 21:40
  Speaker 4: getting out there. So I'm still outraged at Facebook and
• 21:43
  Speaker 4: I hope they learned their lessons from this.
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: Have they given you a reason, a rationale for why
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: they said this stuff was misleading in the first place.
• 21:51
  Speaker 4: Look, Chris, I haven't been contacted directly by Facebook. They
• 21:55
  Speaker 4: were contacted for the story, so they responded to the
• 21:58
  Speaker 4: media story, but not to us and not to our supporters.
• 22:01
  Speaker 4: More than forty of them have actually come forward to
• 22:04
  Speaker 4: Nuclear for Australia to report to us that they've been
• 22:07
  Speaker 4: had theirs taken down when they've tried to share our accurate,
• 22:11
  Speaker 4: fact based information about nucleanergy with their friends and family.
• 22:15
  Speaker 4: So no, we haven't received direct comments from Facebook, and
• 22:18
  Speaker 4: I think it just goes to show the issue that
• 22:20
  Speaker 4: we're experiencing.
• 22:21
  Speaker 9: Well.
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: Absolutely, it's outrageous because I'm very familiar with your stuff.
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: As you know, I've had a look at your petition.
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: I've recommended it to people.
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: We've interviewed you many times, We've interviewed Dick Smith many times.
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: There's nothing political, there's nothing ideological about anything.
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: You share with us.
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: Your organization is only interested in the facts and suggesting
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: that we should get rid of this legislative band so
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: that if nuclear staffs up in Australia.
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: It can actually go ahead and look Chris.
• 22:48
  Speaker 4: At the same time, the Australian Conservation Foundation is sharing
• 22:51
  Speaker 4: ads depicting people wearing gas masks and glowing green cololas
• 22:56
  Speaker 4: outside nuclear power stations. So those are the ads that
• 22:59
  Speaker 4: Facebook is accepting.
• 23:00
  Speaker 9: Now we think that Australians should be able to see
• 23:02
  Speaker 9: those ads.
• 23:03
  Speaker 4: We don't think they should be sensored because it goes
• 23:05
  Speaker 4: to show what the anti nuclear movement is all about.
• 23:08
  Speaker 9: But what's really important is we need to be having
• 23:10
  Speaker 9: a fact space discussion and ultimately.
• 23:11
  Speaker 4: That's why we've got a campaign in Facstell Politics and
• 23:14
  Speaker 4: we'll be doubling down on our effort to share the
• 23:17
  Speaker 4: facts with the Australians through our campaign and I've really
• 23:20
  Speaker 4: encouraged your viewers to contribute to that using the link
• 23:23
  Speaker 4: which should be available to them.
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: Well, I think Facebook should get back to you with
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: some sort of reparations as well, because, as you say,
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: not only has this presented and prevented so many people
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: sharing the petition and therefore preventing you getting extra extra
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: people signing up to the petition, it also damages your
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: reputation where people see.
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: That it's been tagged as misleading.
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: Then they are given a bad impression and a false
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: impression of your organization. How many names have you got
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: on the petition so far and what are you hoping
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: to get it to?
• 23:56
  Speaker 9: Over seventy thousand, Chris, We've got over seventy thousand supporters.
• 24:00
  Speaker 9: I think that's what the really important thing is.
• 24:02
  Speaker 4: This is a national movement on the scale that we've
• 24:04
  Speaker 4: never seen before for an issue like new planergy.
• 24:07
  Speaker 9: The politicians will say that no one likes nuclear.
• 24:09
  Speaker 4: Well we've got seventy thousand grassroots supporters started from the
• 24:13
  Speaker 4: ground on to this level here today. So I think
• 24:16
  Speaker 4: it's an incredible milestone and we'll be looking to expand that,
• 24:19
  Speaker 4: you know, hopefully above one hundred thousand.
• 24:20
  Speaker 9: Let's see where we get.
• 24:22
  Speaker 4: But we know that the majority of Australian support new
• 24:24
  Speaker 4: planaging and it's just waiting for the politicians to realize
• 24:27
  Speaker 4: that and for the politicians to wake up to the
• 24:29
  Speaker 4: backs and science.
• 24:30
  Speaker 9: So the ban on new planergy is finally lifted in
• 24:33
  Speaker 9: this country.
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: Look, it's beyond belief when you think about the misinformation
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: that is shared on Facebook and other social media platforms
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: every day.
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: When it comes to renewables.
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: They keep telling us renewables are the cheapest, and renewables
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: can be secure, and renewables can supply the whole country,
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: and misinformation about nuclear saying it's unaffordable for Australia. It
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: won't work on that side of the argument, there doesn't
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: seem to be any handbrake on misinformation. Yeah, they're making
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: it difficult for you to circulate cold hard facts.
• 25:05
  Speaker 4: And look last week I was called out on Media
• 25:07
  Speaker 4: Watch by Paul Barracker apparently being involved in the Australian
• 25:11
  Speaker 4: Conservation Foundations ex account being deleted simply because I revealed
• 25:15
  Speaker 4: their misinformation. Their account was deleted for a day. This
• 25:18
  Speaker 4: issue has been affecting us for months on Facebook and
• 25:21
  Speaker 4: has actually been undermining the value of our supporters contributions
• 25:25
  Speaker 4: who have ultimately been helping us fund this mission to
• 25:28
  Speaker 4: share the facts with Australians throughout advertising we were paying
• 25:32
  Speaker 4: for on Facebook.
• 25:33
  Speaker 9: So the anti nuclear organizations.
• 25:35
  Speaker 4: Will cry foul and say that they're the ones being targeted,
• 25:38
  Speaker 4: and reality has always been the pro nuclear side which
• 25:40
  Speaker 4: has always.
• 25:41
  Speaker 9: Had it hard up on our side.
• 25:43
  Speaker 4: And it's the fact that you know, we're the ones
• 25:45
  Speaker 4: sharing the facts. We're the ones I think with the
• 25:48
  Speaker 4: greatest cause. Yet Facebook is identified US and decided to
• 25:52
  Speaker 4: target us and silence US, and I think that's a
• 25:54
  Speaker 4: great shame when Australians are begging for the facts and
• 25:57
  Speaker 4: begging for a mature debate.
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well said Will, thanks for joining us again. I
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: appreciate it. Will Shackle there, who's the founder of Nuclear
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: for Australia. Just shocking behavior by Facebook. We just want
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: the facts and an open debate on all issues, including
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: the energy future of this country. Now stick around after
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: the break, We're going to go back to the US
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: politics and the Obamas closing the second night of the
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: Democratic Convention in Chicago, plus pressure mounting on Anthony Abernezi
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: over this visas for Palestinians issue, don't go away. Back
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: to US politics, the Democrat Convention and Chicago. The leading
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: independent and two time contender for the Democrat nomination, Senator
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: Bernie Sanders, endorsed Kamala Harris in a move that helps
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: to lock in hard left voters. But there could be
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: similar good news for Donald Trump too, with speculation mounting
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: that independent presidential candidate former Democrat Robert F. Kennedy Jr.
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: Could withdraw soon and endorse the former and president. We
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: shall see. That would be terrific for Donald Trump, but
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: no doubt, the stars in Chicago today were the Obamas,
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: with former First Lady Michelle Obama introducing the former president.
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: The torch has been passed.
• 27:17
  Speaker 10: Now it is up to all of us to fight
• 27:22
  Speaker 10: for the America we believe in, and make no mistake,
• 27:27
  Speaker 10: it will be a fight.
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: I spoke with our own Annalisee Nielsen in Chicago about
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: that Obama star power.
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: Oh.
• 27:35
  Speaker 13: Look, he is still an absolute rock star among Democrats.
• 27:39
  Speaker 13: And look, the atmosphere here is electric. People are so excited.
• 27:43
  Speaker 13: I think there's just this huge sense of optimism and
• 27:45
  Speaker 13: they feel like they've got this in the bag. I'm
• 27:48
  Speaker 13: not saying I agree with them. I'm not drinking the
• 27:50
  Speaker 13: kool aid here, but I'm telling you what the vibe
• 27:52
  Speaker 13: is like. People here are really excited, and I think
• 27:54
  Speaker 13: they feel like they've been given a second chance. Given
• 27:56
  Speaker 13: how badly it looked soer like it was going to
• 27:58
  Speaker 13: go for Joe Biden, all of a sudden, looks like
• 28:01
  Speaker 13: they've got someone who's at least drawn them into the
• 28:03
  Speaker 13: same league as Donald Trump and the polls, and they
• 28:06
  Speaker 13: really think they're going to win this tame.
• 28:08
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: I think that's understandable because obviously it's changed the contest
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: and there is a lift in the polls. There's a
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: long way to go and the reality might be different,
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: but you can see that enthusiasm. A lot of talk
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: today about hope and about empathy, but there were also
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: really solid attacks on Donald Trump, including from Michelle Obama.
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: Have a look at this, she.
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: Effectively calls the former president a racist.
• 28:34
  Speaker 16: For years, Donald Trump did everything in his power to
• 28:37
  Speaker 16: try to make people fear us. See his limited, narrow
• 28:43
  Speaker 16: view of the world made him feel threatened by the
• 28:47
  Speaker 16: existence of two hard work and highly educated, successful people
• 28:51
  Speaker 16: who happen to be black. I want to know who's
• 29:01
  Speaker 16: got to tell him, who's gonna tell him that the
• 29:03
  Speaker 16: job he's currently seeking might just be one of those
• 29:06
  Speaker 16: black jobs.
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and at least that's a pretty staggering criticism or attack,
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: if you like, but very very pertinent, given these up
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: against a black woman.
• 29:18
  Speaker 13: Very evocative language in the crowd here when absolutely wild.
• 29:21
  Speaker 13: It was probably the most enthusiastic they've been all night.
• 29:24
  Speaker 13: We know that this is going to be a big
• 29:27
  Speaker 13: deciding factor for many voters and really key areas. When
• 29:31
  Speaker 13: we talk about Georgia, the black vote there is incredibly powerful,
• 29:34
  Speaker 13: and that is a must win state for the Democrats
• 29:36
  Speaker 13: if they want to cinch the White House. There has
• 29:39
  Speaker 13: been commentary in the past from Donald Trump, of course,
• 29:42
  Speaker 13: around where Barack Obama was born and all of that.
• 29:45
  Speaker 13: But it was interesting I thought that she kind of
• 29:47
  Speaker 13: hunt back to kind of such ancient history at this
• 29:50
  Speaker 13: point when really they're talking about having this future image
• 29:53
  Speaker 13: and future picture and pivoting forward and hope and optimism.
• 29:58
  Speaker 13: I thought it was kind of a clearly negative point,
• 30:01
  Speaker 13: and we did talk about Donald Trump or what tonight.
• 30:03
  Speaker 13: I think Donald Trump has been the main focus of
• 30:06
  Speaker 13: the Democrats and he's been the main focus for Republicans too,
• 30:09
  Speaker 13: So this is really what we're getting is another Donald
• 30:11
  Speaker 13: Trump election. And I don't know how much that's going
• 30:14
  Speaker 13: to resonate with voters, but also how much does it
• 30:17
  Speaker 13: need to if they get people enthusiastic enough to vote.
• 30:20
  Speaker 13: This is a non compulsory voting country, and I know
• 30:22
  Speaker 13: I say it at nauseum, but it's true. It's so influential.
• 30:26
  Speaker 13: If people don't bother to go vote, that is what
• 30:28
  Speaker 13: turns elections. And this is, of course, the diehards. I
• 30:32
  Speaker 13: don't think there's a single soul in this building that's
• 30:33
  Speaker 13: not going to be voting tonight, but voting come December
• 30:37
  Speaker 13: or November. But this is the issue.
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's incredible stuff. You talk about the focus on
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: Donald Trump. I think someone did did the math on this.
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: And at the convention, I think Donald Trump has been
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: mentioned fifty times for every time that Joe Biden's been mentioned.
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: Barack Obama also attacked Donald Trump.
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: His attack was a little bit different.
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: I think it might be more effective if he was
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: basically saying that all Donald Trump ever talks about is himself.
• 31:04
  Speaker 19: Have a look, here's a seventy eight year old billionaire
• 31:09
  Speaker 19: who has not stopped whining about his problems since he
• 31:14
  Speaker 19: wrote down his Golden Escalator nine years ago.
• 31:18
  Speaker 10: It has been a constant stream of grapes and grievances
• 31:24
  Speaker 10: that's actually been getting worse now that he's afraid of
• 31:26
  Speaker 10: losing the common.
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: You don't have to be a Barack Obama supporter to
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: recognize how good he is. How much would they like
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: to have him on the campaign trail every day of
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: this campaign?
• 31:37
  Speaker 13: And Elyse, Yeah, And I mean we saw people in
• 31:40
  Speaker 13: the audience, weeping openly. They were just hanging off every
• 31:44
  Speaker 13: word Obama said, there's not really any other political figure
• 31:48
  Speaker 13: at the moment. It kind of elicits that kind of
• 31:50
  Speaker 13: emotional reaction except for Donald Trump at his rallies and
• 31:53
  Speaker 13: especially since the assassination attempt. Look, they can do all
• 31:56
  Speaker 13: this to drive enthusiasm. These are the absolute diehards of
• 32:00
  Speaker 13: the party. What really is going to define this election
• 32:04
  Speaker 13: is going to be this first debate because we don't
• 32:06
  Speaker 13: see unfiltered Kamala Harris. She hasn't done any interviews since
• 32:10
  Speaker 13: she took over the top spot on the ticket. She
• 32:13
  Speaker 13: hasn't done any press conferences. She's taken a few questions
• 32:15
  Speaker 13: from journalists coming in and out of buses and planes.
• 32:18
  Speaker 13: She hasn't allowed herself to be in a forum where
• 32:21
  Speaker 13: there's follow up or where she's put on the spot
• 32:23
  Speaker 13: with unscripted questions. And this is going to be a
• 32:26
  Speaker 13: major defining moment, I think this debate. So there's still
• 32:30
  Speaker 13: plenty that could happen, even with this kind of really
• 32:32
  Speaker 13: optimistic Rosie picture put forward for.
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: US Today spot on Annalise, So much to play out.
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: Not only that debate, the candidate.
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: Hasn't even done a press conference yet, so we can't
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: wait to see all of that.
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: Thanks so much for hanging back at the end of
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: a long day and release pleasure. Thanks Chris.
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah, fascinating stuff in the US, and we'll be across
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: it again tomorrow. Let's go to Alexander down another former
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: foreign minister of this great country.
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: He joins us via Skype.
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: Well, I don't want to talk to you about global
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: affairs just at the moment, Alexander, I'm very keen to
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: get your thoughts on this issue of visas from Gaza
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: and the way it's playing out in federal politics.
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: What's your assessment of the issue and the politics.
• 33:16
  Speaker 20: Well, clearly, given what's happening in Gaza, and given that
• 33:22
  Speaker 20: Gaza is controlled by Hamas, and if opinion polls to
• 33:27
  Speaker 20: be any guy has overwhelming support by the people of Gaza,
• 33:32
  Speaker 20: it's pretty foolhearted to start bringing people in, including on
• 33:36
  Speaker 20: tourists visas to Australia from Gaza. And you know, to
• 33:41
  Speaker 20: think that someone might be a Hummas supporter, a terrorist supporter,
• 33:46
  Speaker 20: but not actually a terrorist actor. But that's okay.
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: Well, I do not think that is okay.
• 33:52
  Speaker 20: We wouldn't take into Australia people who are supporters of
• 33:57
  Speaker 20: Al Kaider or whatever it may be Islamic states. So
• 34:01
  Speaker 20: taking supporters of Hammas is foolhardy.
• 34:05
  Speaker 9: So I mean, I.
• 34:06
  Speaker 20: Think the Labor Party is making a huge political mistake
• 34:10
  Speaker 20: by making such an issue of this. They attacked the opposition,
• 34:16
  Speaker 20: but they themselves, I think, have left themselves extremely vulnerable
• 34:21
  Speaker 20: on the issue of national security. And I think this
• 34:25
  Speaker 20: is an example of an issue they've written into which
• 34:30
  Speaker 20: could prove to be fatal to them at the next election.
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah, just on this idea that we could take in
• 34:37
  Speaker 2: people who are rhetorically supporters of Hummas, supporters of a
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: terrorist organization.
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: We heard this directly from.
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: The mouth of the ASO Director General, Mike Burgess. Now
• 34:47
  Speaker 2: tell us how this would play out internally in the government.
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: Is he reflecting security advice there that is one of
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: his own making or is this a government policy being
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: reflected through him, Because like you, I I'm astounded that
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: we would even consider taking in anybody who offers any
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: support at all for an organization like Hummus.
• 35:10
  Speaker 20: Right, Mike Burchas works for the government, so the government
• 35:14
  Speaker 20: answers for what he says. I don't know the background
• 35:18
  Speaker 20: to why he said what he said, whether you know
• 35:22
  Speaker 20: claiming that it was all right for people who supported
• 35:25
  Speaker 20: Hamas but weren't directly involved in Hammas to come to Australia.
• 35:31
  Speaker 20: I don't know why he said that, but the government
• 35:34
  Speaker 20: is responsible for it. Ultimately, they are accountable for what
• 35:38
  Speaker 20: he said, so presumably he was mouthing the views of
• 35:42
  Speaker 20: the government. But I put it to viewers tonight, how
• 35:46
  Speaker 20: would you feel if we're bringing in people who said
• 35:49
  Speaker 20: they supported al Qaeda. They had a huge respect for
• 35:53
  Speaker 20: a Summa bin Laden and all his work, But don't worry,
• 35:57
  Speaker 20: I'm not myself directly involved in our That'd be all right?
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: Would that would not be all right?
• 36:03
  Speaker 20: And it is not all right to be bringing people
• 36:06
  Speaker 20: into Australia who are supporters of a terrorist organization like Hammas.
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  Speaker 20: It is completely unacceptable.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree, I agree, And until we get a
• 36:16
  Speaker 2: change in that ruling, as expressed by Mike Burgess, then
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: nobody can be really confident about national security in this country.
• 36:24
  Speaker 2: Just on that, can you tell us why Egypt and
• 36:27
  Speaker 2: Jordan in particular don't take any refugees or any people
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: fleeing Gaza.
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  Speaker 20: It's exactly this point. They don't want people who support Hammers.
• 36:39
  Speaker 20: So if you're an Egyptian, the Egyptian organization, the Muslim Brotherhood,
• 36:45
  Speaker 20: a radical Sunni organization very powerful in Egypt, which is
• 36:50
  Speaker 20: the sworn enemy of President Cisi in the Egyptian government,
• 36:56
  Speaker 20: are hardcore extreme Islamist organization is Muslim Brotherhood. Hammas grew
• 37:06
  Speaker 20: out of the Muslim Brotherhood. People need to understand these things.
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  Speaker 20: That is why the Egyptians are hugely hostile. The Egyptian
• 37:15
  Speaker 20: government is hugely hostile to Hamas, and ditto for the Jordanians,
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  Speaker 20: King Abdullah and the Jordanian government. They are hugely hostile
• 37:26
  Speaker 20: to Amas, so they will have been delighted to see
• 37:29
  Speaker 20: Hamas leaders get being killed by the Israelis. And of
• 37:33
  Speaker 20: course they don't want to take Hamas supporters Muslim Brotherhood
• 37:39
  Speaker 20: supporters into their countries any more than they already have.
• 37:43
  Speaker 20: I mean, it's common sense, and why the Australian government
• 37:47
  Speaker 20: thinks it's all right. Australia on the other side of
• 37:49
  Speaker 20: the world thinks this is all right, but the Egyptian
• 37:54
  Speaker 20: and Jordanian governments don't. It's beyond me.
• 37:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah, indeed, Alexander, thanks so much for that insight and context.
• 38:01
  Speaker 2: I appreciate it, Alexander down of their former foreign minister.
• 38:05
  Speaker 2: I just note that you may or may not have
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: seen the news, but another six Israeli hostages dead. Another
• 38:11
  Speaker 2: six Israeli bodies have been recovered by israel defense forces
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: from a gaza, six people who were taken on October
• 38:21
  Speaker 2: the seventh.
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: Now, don't go away.
• 38:23
  Speaker 2: On the other side of the break, we've got the
• 38:24
  Speaker 2: Wednesday Wrangle with Liz Storer and Justin Smith.
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: One of the things we'll be.
• 38:28
  Speaker 2: Talking about is this allegedly poor behavior in Parliament.
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: Don't go away, Lad's Wrangell.
• 38:39
  Speaker 2: We're the late debate co host Liz Staura in the
• 38:41
  Speaker 2: studio here with me and columnists and broadcaster and author
• 38:45
  Speaker 2: Justin Smith joining us as ever from Melbourne. Now, what
• 38:48
  Speaker 2: about these teals, Justin? They reckon that parliament's all a
• 38:52
  Speaker 2: bit too rough and rugged, and the coalition of full
• 38:55
  Speaker 2: of misogynists, and well you know they wanted to be
• 38:58
  Speaker 2: a gentle the kind of place the tills so they
• 39:01
  Speaker 2: can call people racists instead.
• 39:04
  Speaker 14: Well, I mean anyone who has spent a bit of
• 39:07
  Speaker 14: time there, which I know the two of you have,
• 39:10
  Speaker 14: will know that it has been an absolute rabble for years.
• 39:14
  Speaker 14: I don't think I mean, look, they can speak for themselves,
• 39:17
  Speaker 14: but I don't think that there's anything wrong with us
• 39:20
  Speaker 14: checking in once in a while and one side of politics,
• 39:23
  Speaker 14: well both sides of politics, rather getting called out for
• 39:27
  Speaker 14: bad behavior. Because I've got to say, if anyone ever
• 39:30
  Speaker 14: sits there and watches question Time, there's a.
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: Lot of abuse.
• 39:35
  Speaker 14: I don't think it's the kind of shining example that
• 39:38
  Speaker 14: we want for a workplace in Australia. So I think
• 39:41
  Speaker 14: checking in with it isn't such a bad thing to
• 39:43
  Speaker 14: be frank, It's a.
• 39:44
  Speaker 2: Pretty robust theater. That's the whole point of it. That's
• 39:47
  Speaker 2: the whole point of parliamentary privilege.
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: What I and I think we should always.
• 39:51
  Speaker 2: Talk about improving the standard of debate is the hypocrisy.
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: And cynicism of the Tills.
• 39:57
  Speaker 2: I mean, they were calling Dutton a racist last week
• 40:00
  Speaker 2: and Labor as aggressive and abusive as any party can be,
• 40:04
  Speaker 2: and they try and lump this on the coalition.
• 40:07
  Speaker 7: Yet misogyny seems to be the new hot topics. Just
• 40:10
  Speaker 7: earlier this week we were laughing about the fact that
• 40:13
  Speaker 7: the UK has now got its own category of extremism,
• 40:17
  Speaker 7: about misogyny and our national security agency, according to the
• 40:21
  Speaker 7: front page of the Canberra Times today, is talking about
• 40:24
  Speaker 7: our national security agencies looking into misogyny particularly amongst schoolboys,
• 40:31
  Speaker 7: really schoolboys, high school and primary school. And I found
• 40:35
  Speaker 7: it interesting because I was like, can we please define
• 40:39
  Speaker 7: what misogyny is? And in that article in the Canberra Times,
• 40:43
  Speaker 7: part of their description of the misogyny that these national
• 40:48
  Speaker 7: security agencies in Australia are going to be looked into
• 40:50
  Speaker 7: odds and I quote a traditional male societal norms, natural masculinity.
• 41:03
  Speaker 7: These tials can't come up with any specific examples and
• 41:06
  Speaker 7: are just using this out and out label of misogyny.
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: It's just weak.
• 41:11
  Speaker 7: And I've always said of politics, it's.
• 41:13
  Speaker 14: People who bang on about workness and lefties well, particularly.
• 41:17
  Speaker 7: Of women in politics. If you can't hack the heat,
• 41:20
  Speaker 7: get the hell out of Kuwait politics, Parliament, state or
• 41:23
  Speaker 7: federal is not made up of people who are going
• 41:26
  Speaker 7: there to hold hands in Sinkumbayah. That's pretty much a
• 41:29
  Speaker 7: very robust environment. If you're just going to start pulling men.
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: We've had problems.
• 41:35
  Speaker 14: We've had concerns before in parliament about bullying. We've had
• 41:39
  Speaker 14: concerns in Parliament before about behavior and I'm not talking
• 41:42
  Speaker 14: about any particular side of politics. Once in a while,
• 41:45
  Speaker 14: I'm not saying that they're right, but once in a
• 41:48
  Speaker 14: while they've got to check in with it and we've
• 41:50
  Speaker 14: got to do a lot better because it's not I
• 41:53
  Speaker 14: love a full on debate, the two of you know that,
• 41:56
  Speaker 14: but come on, if it's if it's being targeted at
• 41:59
  Speaker 14: peace bully in a bullying type fashion, and it's not productive,
• 42:04
  Speaker 14: then what the hell are we doing it for?
• 42:05
  Speaker 7: Then you can just call every Q and a session
• 42:08
  Speaker 7: justin a bullying Olympics because it is.
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: And they've always swapped in souls.
• 42:16
  Speaker 7: I mean, we all remember Paul Keating the days of
• 42:19
  Speaker 7: I'm going to do you slowly, the one liners that
• 42:23
  Speaker 7: are now infamous in Australian history. Everyone thought it was
• 42:26
  Speaker 7: funny back in the day. It's only now that we've
• 42:28
  Speaker 7: got the Teals in that nobody's allowed to be meant, let's.
• 42:33
  Speaker 2: Just refresh our memories of some of the wisdom coming
• 42:36
  Speaker 2: from Teals.
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: Here's Zalie Stegele.
• 42:39
  Speaker 3: Overwhelmingly the conduct. The conduct is by mail MPs and
• 42:45
  Speaker 3: as others have said, some who have been in this
• 42:47
  Speaker 3: place too long, who I think have lost touch with
• 42:50
  Speaker 3: what is acceptable behavior outside this place, and think that
• 42:54
  Speaker 3: because you described this place as a bubble, somehow it
• 42:57
  Speaker 3: condones a different standard of behavior.
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: It doesn't.
• 43:01
  Speaker 2: You See My point, Justin is that is so hypocritical
• 43:05
  Speaker 2: and cynical because she says it's okay for her to
• 43:08
  Speaker 2: get up daily and call Peter Dutton a racist or
• 43:11
  Speaker 2: a misogynist, and she says it's all about male MPs
• 43:15
  Speaker 2: when it's okay for Labour's mean girls to reduce Linda
• 43:19
  Speaker 2: Reynolds to tears even when they're pushing something that's untrue.
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: Yet somehow it's all a male coalition problem.
• 43:28
  Speaker 14: Yeah, well look again, I mean Chicken, I'm not backing
• 43:31
  Speaker 14: her up, and she can say whatever she likes. That's
• 43:33
  Speaker 14: for her to speak to But I think it is
• 43:35
  Speaker 14: just worth us checking in with it once in a while.
• 43:38
  Speaker 14: Is not at the first time that we've heard about
• 43:41
  Speaker 14: these problems before, And I'm not pointing the finger at
• 43:43
  Speaker 14: any particular person that is doing it. I'm not saying
• 43:46
  Speaker 14: that it's all male coalition MPs that have been firing
• 43:50
  Speaker 14: these shots. But we've seen this time and time again
• 43:53
  Speaker 14: and they've got to do But if you don't think
• 43:55
  Speaker 14: they can do better. I'm surprised at you.
• 43:58
  Speaker 7: Oh take all allegation seriously, we simply can't. It's nonsense
• 44:04
  Speaker 7: to do that, as especially coming from the Deal. It
• 44:07
  Speaker 7: just doesn't like I say, you're defending it justin but
• 44:12
  Speaker 7: there's not a single example that you can point to. Indeed,
• 44:16
  Speaker 7: there's not a single example they can point to. There
• 44:18
  Speaker 7: would be some merit to these allegations of rampant misogyny
• 44:22
  Speaker 7: in Federal Parliament if they could say so and so
• 44:25
  Speaker 7: called me this. I have this in writing in an
• 44:27
  Speaker 7: abusive email. I have you've all seen it in question time?
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: I thank you.
• 44:31
  Speaker 7: Well, we're actually just scratching our heads going hang on
• 44:34
  Speaker 7: a minute.
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: I think you miss underestimate, Jenny. I think you.
• 44:38
  Speaker 2: Underestimate the extent of misogyny in Federal Parliament.
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: There have been examples cited.
• 44:43
  Speaker 2: Julia Gillard pointed out Tony Abbott wearing a blue tie
• 44:46
  Speaker 2: and checking his watch.
• 44:48
  Speaker 7: Remember, I don't know how I missed it.
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: Thank you for providing there's the evidence. There's the evidence
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: that's been provided.
• 44:55
  Speaker 2: Now let's go to some matters in the environment and
• 44:58
  Speaker 2: the resources industry. I talked earlier in the week about
• 45:01
  Speaker 2: Tanya plibasec blocking on indigenous cultural heritage grounds. There's tailings
• 45:06
  Speaker 2: dam for a proposed gold mine in New South Wales. Interestingly,
• 45:11
  Speaker 2: they're justin She says that there are cultural matters. There
• 45:14
  Speaker 2: are evidence given to her that she's not at liberty
• 45:16
  Speaker 2: to reveal because of the cultural heritage. This for me,
• 45:20
  Speaker 2: it was involved in the reporting and the unearthing of
• 45:25
  Speaker 2: the fabrication of secret women's business in High Marsh Island
• 45:29
  Speaker 2: way back in the day.
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: This just smacks of all the wrong processes.
• 45:35
  Speaker 2: If you're going to make these decisions, and it looks
• 45:38
  Speaker 2: on the face of it to be a very bad
• 45:39
  Speaker 2: decision because the local Indigenous Land Council had no problem.
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: With the mine.
• 45:44
  Speaker 2: If you're going to make these decisions, you've got to
• 45:46
  Speaker 2: provide more information to the public about what the grounds are.
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree with you completely.
• 45:53
  Speaker 14: I despise secrets and I think government's keeping secrets like
• 45:57
  Speaker 14: this no matter what persuasion they are.
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: It is dead wrong.
• 46:01
  Speaker 14: And the thing that I hate about this it's kind
• 46:03
  Speaker 14: of like we make decisions, but we don't really trust
• 46:07
  Speaker 14: you with giving you all the information so that you
• 46:10
  Speaker 14: can weigh it up. Yes, I think they should relate
• 46:12
  Speaker 14: release every piece of information that they've got on why
• 46:15
  Speaker 14: they made the decision. You won't get a debate out
• 46:18
  Speaker 14: of me on that.
• 46:19
  Speaker 9: Now.
• 46:19
  Speaker 2: The interesting thing about this is while teny pub second
• 46:22
  Speaker 2: the Bernesi labor government have knocked off this tailings damn,
• 46:25
  Speaker 2: they've now improved today on environmental grounds. The country's biggest
• 46:29
  Speaker 2: renewables project, this is the sun Cable twelve thousand hect
• 46:33
  Speaker 2: are solar project in the Northern Territory, and then it's
• 46:37
  Speaker 2: going to have hundreds of kilometers of transmissions up to
• 46:40
  Speaker 2: the coastline, then under the sea and after Singapore, Liz,
• 46:44
  Speaker 2: how are they going to do all that without encountering
• 46:47
  Speaker 2: some indigenous cultural heritage problems or environmental problems either under
• 46:51
  Speaker 2: the sea or on the land.
• 46:52
  Speaker 7: One could easily assume by virtual of being in the
• 46:55
  Speaker 7: Northern Territory there would be more cultural heritage sensitive issue
• 47:00
  Speaker 7: shoes in this ginormous wind farm that's about to go up.
• 47:04
  Speaker 7: As opposed to the gold mine, which was just eleven
• 47:08
  Speaker 7: hundred hectares, this we're talking about tens of thousand hectares.
• 47:12
  Speaker 7: It just seems to be really curious, doesn't it that
• 47:15
  Speaker 7: these culturally significant areas are found when it's a mining project,
• 47:20
  Speaker 7: but if it's a ginormous soul of wind turbine project,
• 47:24
  Speaker 7: well gets the green light from the alban Easy government.
• 47:27
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 47:28
  Speaker 7: I think in mind this is these things only last
• 47:31
  Speaker 7: for a couple of decades at best. They're going to
• 47:33
  Speaker 7: have to rip it a replace it all. It's just
• 47:37
  Speaker 7: a dreadful waste use of land, clearing it all, putting
• 47:41
  Speaker 7: up these ginormous.
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: It'll never happen.
• 47:43
  Speaker 14: By the way, By the way that they're not renewed,
• 47:45
  Speaker 14: I should.
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: Add it will never happen.
• 47:46
  Speaker 2: The final decision on investment is two years away.
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: Over two years away. My prediction is it will never happen.
• 47:52
  Speaker 2: And thanks for using the technically correct term ginormous.
• 47:56
  Speaker 1: That's what it is, ginormous, Cliff Story, thanks for join
• 47:59
  Speaker 1: us six back.
• 48:00
  Speaker 2: Time about that thing. We're out of time justin thanks
• 48:02
  Speaker 2: so much for joining us. Here's Peter Credlin
• 48:08
  Speaker 5: MHM.