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Normally Podcast: Susie Wiles, JD Vance, and Media Meltdowns · Normally

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Speaker 1: Hey, guy, idea that normally the show a normal it
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Speaker 1: takes for one years getting leaded.
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Speaker 2: I am Mary Katherine Man.
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Speaker 3: And I'm Carol Markowitz. How are you? Mary Catherine?
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Speaker 1: I'm all right. You know, we're down to the wire here.
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Speaker 1: We're getting really are we really?
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Speaker 2: Really are?
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Speaker 3: Can I tell you about it?
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Speaker 2: This is such a random little exchange I saw yesterday,
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Speaker 2: but it made me feel better about the world. I
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Speaker 2: was picking up food from a really popular restaurant near us,
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Speaker 2: so it was like popping buzzing, the bars packed, and
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Speaker 2: as I'm waiting for my order, the bartender comes over
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Speaker 2: to these two and I hate to describe it this way,
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Speaker 2: but it's necessary, really nondescript late forties early fifties women
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Speaker 2: and says, hey, those two men at the end of
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Speaker 2: the bar send I want to send you drinks. And
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Speaker 2: they were like, great, let's white wine. Their normalcy about it,
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Speaker 2: how like it was completely an unexpected thing that happens
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Speaker 2: to them.
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Speaker 3: It made me feel better about the world.
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Speaker 2: We are still like having interactions at a random bar.
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Speaker 3: On a Tuesday night, you know, and I love it.
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Speaker 2: It makes me remember that stuff exists outside.
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Speaker 1: Of our Yes, it is important to engage in that.
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Speaker 1: I also went to a very I went to a
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Speaker 1: lovely Christmas themed dinner party last night hosted by a
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Speaker 1: friend who I generally like. We've talked about I'm a
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Speaker 1: nervous host, and she's very much not. She's just a
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Speaker 1: natural host. It's like she's great at it. Everything looks amazing,
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Speaker 1: everything tastes amazing, and I just marvel at it, particularly
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Speaker 1: in mid December, that you put that together, can show
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Speaker 1: up like, hey, thank you.
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Speaker 4: I brought something. But you know what I'm saying, Yeah,
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Speaker 4: I know what you mean. Yeah, yeah, so good, good
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Speaker 4: on those folks. I love it for allowing us to
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Speaker 4: have real life interactions. Maybe be like them in the
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Speaker 4: new year.
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Speaker 1: Everybody who later.
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Speaker 2: Expecting a Hanakok card from me, that'll be around early January.
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Speaker 1: We'll look out for it. Mine mine got in the mail.
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Speaker 1: My spur of the moment cards got in the mail.
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Speaker 3: So we do our best here, Mary Catherine, we are
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Speaker 3: we do so.
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Speaker 2: The only story in the world right now seems to
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Speaker 2: be Susie Wiles gave a very expansive interview, actually many
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Speaker 2: many interview, many interviews to Vanity Fair.
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Speaker 3: And they burned her bed.
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Speaker 1: No, so Susie Wiles is the famously the chief of
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Speaker 1: staff of the White House. She famously wrangled Donald Trump
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Speaker 1: and his large personality into winning the twenty twenty four election.
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Speaker 1: She is often credited with being a person that she
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Speaker 1: and goes to. She's a badass. She is a serious
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Speaker 1: and smart and tough person. And I'm very surprised.
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Speaker 3: I am shocked.
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Speaker 2: It's like you're looking for the three D D chess
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Speaker 2: here because you're like, what is going on? She said
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Speaker 2: things that were yes, yes, of course, taken out of context.
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Speaker 2: She referred to Trump as having a personality of an alcoholic,
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Speaker 2: which is, you know, additionally crazy because he doesn't drink.
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Speaker 2: But you know what's interesting is that the interview comes
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Speaker 2: off as she is. She's definitely not negative on these people,
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Speaker 2: like she calls Vans a conspiracy theorist. But it's all
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Speaker 2: like in passing, almost like she did get taken in
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Speaker 2: by the interviewer and they became chummy and she let
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Speaker 2: her guard down. Yes, so everybody has a hard time
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Speaker 2: imagining that for some whiles.
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Speaker 1: So here's the condensed version, which, again a lot of
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Speaker 1: these snippets do have more contexts that make them less negative,
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Speaker 1: but This is the New York Times summarizing mister Trump
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Speaker 1: quote has an alcoholics personality. Vice President Jady Vance quote
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Speaker 1: has been a conspiracy theorist for a decade, and his
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Speaker 1: conversion from Trump critic to ally was based not on
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Speaker 1: principle but was quote sort of political.
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Speaker 3: That one was tough. Yeah.
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Speaker 1: Elon Musk is quote an avowed Kenemine user in an odd,
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Speaker 1: odd duck.
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Speaker 4: I don't think he would being Yeah, everyone's like that one.
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Speaker 1: Tracks yep Russell vote the budget director is a right
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Speaker 1: wing absolute zide. She would yeah say amen, yes. And
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Speaker 1: Attorney General Pambondi quote completely whiffed in handling the Epstein files.
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Speaker 1: You'll notice who's not mentioned in there. Who's not mentioned
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Speaker 1: Marco Rubio who she mentioned him briefly.
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Speaker 3: She said that, Yeah.
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Speaker 2: She said that his conversion to Trump was ideological as
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Speaker 2: opposed to Vance's.
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Speaker 1: Who was political.
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Speaker 3: Yes, so we used like shive dance a little bit.
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Speaker 1: And he also all of his quotes are basically normy throughout.
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Speaker 1: He does not act a fool once during all of
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Speaker 1: these interviews. Yea, I have there's a couple possible theories
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Speaker 1: for what went down here. She sat for eleven interviews
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Speaker 1: with a guy who writes for Vanity Fair is also
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Speaker 1: a historian of sorts of about. This is a beat
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Speaker 1: about White House chiefs of staff. Vanity Fair does spend
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Speaker 1: time with I think every administration. I would guess that
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Speaker 1: Biden's people didn't let them get nearly this quote close
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Speaker 1: to them. There is a downside to access, and now
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Speaker 1: you are seeing it. So she did eleven interviews. What's
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Speaker 1: interesting to me is like, so you could wonder, like,
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Speaker 1: is she planning an exit and she's just sort of yeah,
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Speaker 1: putting her betting her flag in the ground. But then
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Speaker 1: this is not a retrospective interview, right, these were happening
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Speaker 1: as was this real time was unfolding, as crises were happening.
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Speaker 1: So she's being interview while it's happening. I guess you
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Speaker 1: could hypothesize that she's sending public shots because Trump is
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Speaker 1: not listening to her privately in the way that she
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Speaker 1: would wish.
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Speaker 3: That's a possibility, that doesn't it well, But okay.
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Speaker 1: Sometimes he does listen to media instead of inside the house.
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Speaker 1: But yes, it does feel to me like she just
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Speaker 1: had a reporter friend, like right, like she got close
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Speaker 1: to this guy. He was around a lot. He's like
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Speaker 1: a reality TV camera. He's just there and then you
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Speaker 1: just get a little loose.
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Speaker 2: Lipped, and it happens to people all the time. It
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Speaker 2: just it's shocking that it happened to her. She just
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Speaker 2: seems like above that somehow, like the kind of person
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Speaker 2: that wouldn't get taken in by somebody being chummy.
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Speaker 3: I don't know what other way to.
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Speaker 2: Explain it, but you're right about Rubio, and you know,
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Speaker 2: we talk about you and I are Rubio supporters in
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Speaker 2: twenty sixteen. He is just the adult in every room
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Speaker 2: and I love it.
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Speaker 3: It's awesome.
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Speaker 2: Also, as we're recording this, we're not going to get
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Speaker 2: into it on the show, but Trump is delivering an
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Speaker 2: address today and everybody's kind of guessing what he's talking about,
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Speaker 2: and a lot of jokes around, like he's going to
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Speaker 2: make Rubio president of Venezuela, you.
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Speaker 3: Know, because Rubio is the reliable guy.
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Speaker 1: Susie Wills's statement on X was the article published earlier
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Speaker 1: this morning is a disingenuously framed hit piece on me
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Speaker 1: and the finest resident White House staff and cabinet in history.
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Speaker 1: Significant contest context was disregarded, and much of what I
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Speaker 1: and others said about the team, and the president was
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Speaker 1: left out of the story. I assume after reading it
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Speaker 1: this was done to paint and overwhelmingly chaotic and negative
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Speaker 1: narrative about the President and our team. The truth is
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Speaker 1: the Trump White House has already accomplished more in eleven
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Speaker 1: months than any other president has accomplished in eight years.
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Speaker 1: And that is due to the unmatched leadership and vision
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Speaker 1: of President Trump, for whom I have been honored work
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Speaker 1: better part of a decade. None of this will stop
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Speaker 1: our relentless pursuit of making America great again. Here's the thing. Yes,
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Speaker 1: it was done to paint and overwhelmingly chaots regative narrative
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Speaker 1: about the President and our team. But we all know
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Speaker 1: that as right of center figures going into interviews, do
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Speaker 1: we not?
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Speaker 3: We sure do? We really do?
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Speaker 2: And you know, beyond just what the words, when you
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Speaker 2: give an interview to Vanity Fair, you can be sure
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Speaker 2: they're going to use the worst pictures ever taken.
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Speaker 3: I mean, Caroline Leave.
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Speaker 2: It is a very attractive woman and they did a
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Speaker 2: close up of her face that shows every single pore
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Speaker 2: on it. And it's like, yes, they don't do this
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Speaker 2: to democrats.
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Speaker 1: They just don't it's actually sort of perfect for our
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Speaker 1: meta age that there is a and this part really
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Speaker 1: is doing someone dirty. Like they put together this photo shoot,
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Speaker 1: which is the normal photo shoot for a vanity fair thing,
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Speaker 1: but they basically parodied their own photoshoots because when you
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Speaker 1: do it for a democrat, it's like, oh, we're all
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Speaker 1: very serious, they're all very powerful, we're sitting on the desk.
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Speaker 1: They basically make a mockery of that self serious photo
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Speaker 1: session because they don't believe that this administration should be
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Speaker 1: treated seriously or get flattering photos. Then they write a
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Speaker 1: piece making fun of the people they called in to
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Speaker 1: do their photo shoot.
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Speaker 3: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, there's a whole piece talking about how, oh they
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Speaker 1: were uncomfortable sitting on the edge of the desk. You're
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Speaker 1: the photographer. Yeah, and now it again once again. It
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Speaker 1: is the job of the principle to know how they
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Speaker 1: might be cared in these situations, right, But I just
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Speaker 1: that part really did bug me.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, well, you're all going to be treated fairly.
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Speaker 1: I mean, you called them in for a photo shoot,
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Speaker 1: they're doing the thing you're telling them to do as
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Speaker 1: the artiste here, and then you turn in portraits that
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Speaker 1: are just like obviously meant to trash. Everyone wouldn't. I
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Speaker 1: would note that Marco Rubio's were the least. Yes, he
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Speaker 1: looks great, problematic, Yeah, he's he's like looking out the
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Speaker 1: window to the future. He is, he has done less dirty.
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Speaker 3: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: He did say in the piece something that he has
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Speaker 2: said before, which is that if Vance is running, he's
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Speaker 2: not going to run in twenty twenty eight. If Vance
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Speaker 2: is running, of course, there's a long time between now
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Speaker 2: and then.
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Speaker 3: Lots of things can happen, you know, we'll see.
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Speaker 1: It is interesting though, because she she hit on all
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Speaker 1: sorts of vulnerabilities and things that have been in the press.
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Speaker 1: She talked about mistakes made during deportations. Oh yeah, she
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Speaker 1: talked about how she basically she's very open about you know,
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Speaker 1: I basically said, your retribution tour is ninety days long,
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Speaker 1: and he was like, no, I want it to be longer.
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Speaker 3: Yeah. I didn't know that was so bad. I was
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Speaker 3: cringing so hard for all of that.
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Speaker 1: Well, and here's the thing is she makes further points,
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Speaker 1: which are in the piece, about how, yeah, you could
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Speaker 1: see it as retribution, but these people actually did something
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Speaker 1: wrong and what he's trying to do is prevent them
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Speaker 1: from doing wrong things to other people, right, right, And
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Speaker 1: some of that is legit. It's just a way that
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Speaker 1: she is framing it is very problematic yeap for the
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Speaker 1: person she works for.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, really odd and surprising.
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Speaker 2: I will say that Vance was asked about it yesterday
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Speaker 2: and he did, but I think is a fantastic job
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Speaker 2: of beating it back.
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Speaker 3: Let's hear what he says and then discuss it.
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Speaker 5: Well. First of all, if Susie is like, I'll trust,
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Speaker 5: I'll trust what you said, I haven't looked at the article.
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Speaker 5: I of course have heard about it. But conspiracy theorist
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Speaker 5: sometimes I am a conspiracy theorist, but I only believe
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Speaker 5: in the conspiracy theories that are true. And by the way,
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Speaker 5: Susie and I have joked in private and in public
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Speaker 5: about that for a long time. For example, I believed
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Speaker 5: in the crazy conspiracy theory back in twenty twenty that
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Speaker 5: it was stupid to mask three year olds at the
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Speaker 5: height of the COVID pandemic, that we should actually let
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Speaker 5: them develop some language skills. You know. I believed in
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Speaker 5: this crazy conspiracy theory that the media and the government
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Speaker 5: were covering up the fact that Joe Biden was clearly
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Speaker 5: unable to do the job. And I believed in the
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Speaker 5: conspiracy theory that Joe Biden was trying to throw his
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Speaker 5: political opponents in jail rather than win an argument against
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Speaker 5: this political opponent's So, at least on some of these
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Speaker 5: conspiracy theories, turns out that a conspiracy theory is just
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Speaker 5: something that was true six months before the media admitted it.
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Speaker 5: And that's that's my understanding.
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Speaker 2: Stellar response, extremely clever, very on his toes.
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Speaker 1: Also knew exactly what was in this article, Yeah.
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Speaker 3: Right, I'll just assume that I haven't read it. Yeah right.
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Speaker 2: So you know, I think that that was a really
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Speaker 2: fantastic response by him, having said that he's bestie Tucker
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Speaker 2: Carlson is you know, pushing a lot of other conspiracy theories,
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Speaker 2: and because of their close relationship, because Tucker Son works
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Speaker 2: for him, because the Advance goes out of his way
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Speaker 2: to really stick up for Tucker, He's going to be
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Speaker 2: asked things for the next four years like who did
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Speaker 2: nine to eleven?
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Speaker 3: You know, questions similar to that.
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Speaker 2: So I feel like that's going to be an issue
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Speaker 2: for him, Susie painting him as a conspiracy theorist. He
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Speaker 2: did a you know, again, great job beating that back
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Speaker 2: for now, But you know, were Egyptian planes following a Kirk?
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Speaker 2: All these things that Tucker brings up are going to
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Speaker 2: be at Vance's feet. And he started answering those.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, this is a clever answer and the true answer
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Speaker 1: right that He's right, a bunch of conspiracy theories did
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Speaker 1: end up being true. And unfortunately, because so many people
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Speaker 1: lied for so long about so many large things, that's it.
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Speaker 1: The trust deficit is so bad that the Egyptian plane
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Speaker 1: stories and the who did nine to eleven gain ground
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Speaker 1: because no one knows if they can trust official sources
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Speaker 1: and official institutions right right, So there, like there's a
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Speaker 1: cell phone from the left on many of these things
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Speaker 1: where you create more conspiracy theorists. And it is our
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Speaker 1: job and a tough one to like draw lines and
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Speaker 1: say this is what's real and this is what's not.
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Speaker 1: So I think it's a clever, it's a way to
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Speaker 1: answer this. I also think it reflects you know, he says,
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Speaker 1: they joke around about this. I'm sure they do.
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Speaker 3: I'm sure they too. Yeah.
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Speaker 1: Jd. Vance is throughout this profile and Vanity fair frequently
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Speaker 1: self deprecating. He knows exactly what the hits on him are,
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Speaker 1: and he turns them into jokes, which is the correct
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Speaker 1: way to handle them. I have no doubt that her
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Speaker 1: labeling of him as that is partly a joke. And
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Speaker 1: there's a there's a part right at the end where
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Speaker 1: Vance is talking to the photographer and he says The
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Speaker 1: New York Times characterizes it as the underlying tension came
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Speaker 1: through when mister Vance posed for the magazine's photographer. I'll
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Speaker 1: give you a one hundred bucks for every person you
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Speaker 1: make look really shitty compared to me, mister Vance joked,
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Speaker 1: and a thousand if it's Marco.
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Speaker 3: That's funny.
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Speaker 1: It's just a joke, yeah, and it's it is a
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Speaker 1: joke about a thing that is happening, and he's very
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Speaker 1: good at sort of diffusing right in that way. And
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Speaker 1: to treat it so seriously, I think is a mistake,
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Speaker 1: and is often the mistake that press makes with Trump
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Speaker 1: and with others in this administration, is like, sometimes not
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Speaker 1: every single thing that comes out of their mouths should
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Speaker 1: be treated as a very serious statement about the future
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Speaker 1: of the party. You know, he's just goofing in a
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Speaker 1: photo shoot.
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Speaker 3: So clearly a joke.
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Speaker 2: And they're like the tension like there was no tension,
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Speaker 2: like stop it, stop it.
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Speaker 1: Also, I wanted to note two important things. One that
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Speaker 1: Wiles said, if there were to be land strikes in Venezuela,
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Speaker 1: if he were to authorize some activity on land, then
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Speaker 1: you'd have to then it's war. Then Congress would have
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Speaker 1: to authorize. So I thought that was an interesting line
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Speaker 1: laid down for the future should be I'm.
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Speaker 3: Not sure why she did that to him, but.
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Speaker 1: Okay, gonna be something that's going to come back up,
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Speaker 1: and then I have it marked. I'll read out the
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Speaker 1: whole alcoholics personality part, because I do think she was
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Speaker 1: making a larger point. She attributes her ability to work
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Speaker 1: for mister Trump to growing up with an alcoholic father.
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Speaker 1: The sportscaster Pat Summer all high functioning alcoholics. This is
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Speaker 1: her how high functioning alcoholics are. Alcoholics in general, their
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Speaker 1: personalities are exaggerated when they drink, she said, And so
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Speaker 1: I'm a little bit of an expert in big personalities
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Speaker 1: while mister Trump does not drink. The New York Times
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Speaker 1: goes on, she said, he has quote an alcoholics personality
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Speaker 1: with a quote a view that there's nothing he can't do.
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Speaker 1: So there was a larger, less problematic point she was making. Yes, Yeah,
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Speaker 1: but you can't deny that you said these things. You
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Speaker 1: can't deny that you sat for the interviews. You can't
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Speaker 1: run from this because it's all very frank, right, and.
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Speaker 2: We all know they're going to take us out of context,
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Speaker 2: like we know what's going to happen.
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Speaker 3: It's just the way it goes.
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Speaker 1: As my husband told me when my four year old
16:34
Speaker 1: clocked me the other day, and it's just starting to
16:37
Speaker 1: bruise a little bit. You can't leave yourself unprotected like that.
16:42
Speaker 1: You got to know the environment you're working in. But yeah,
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Speaker 1: and the funny thing is when you say this was
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Speaker 1: designed to frame us as chaotic and problematic, you helped
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Speaker 1: frame it that way.
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Speaker 3: You did.
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Speaker 1: The fact that you talk too much led to this conclusion.
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Speaker 3: That's what happened.
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Speaker 1: So that's that's an interesting one.
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Speaker 5: All Right.
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Speaker 2: We're going to take a sharp break and be right
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Speaker 2: back with more on normally.
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Speaker 1: All right, coming back on normally with talking about some
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Speaker 1: former conspiracy theories. Actually, jd Vance in that clip that
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Speaker 1: we played made reference to the idea that perhaps some
17:20
Speaker 1: of those prosecutions of Donald Trump were not on the
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Speaker 1: up and up and maybe we're a little bit aggressive
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Speaker 1: and political, And in fact there is new evidence of
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Speaker 1: that from Fox News Digital, Brooks Singmann reports this is
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Speaker 1: FBI doubted probable cause for mar A Lago raid, but
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Speaker 1: pushed forward amid pressure from Biden. Doj emails reveal all.
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Speaker 3: That never happens.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, this is the August twenty two raid of mar
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Speaker 1: A Lago, which my position at the time was, Wow,
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Speaker 1: this is a lot. I feel like they could be
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Speaker 1: having these conversations without sending having a search warrant, doing
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Speaker 1: a raid, and you know, the doesn't look great, doesn't
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Speaker 1: feel good, doesn't And I also thought there was evidence
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Speaker 1: that he did have stuff he shouldn't have and that
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Speaker 1: he should give it back right. Well, it turns out
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Speaker 1: that the FBI agreed with me at the time, saying
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Speaker 1: very little has been developed related to who might be
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Speaker 1: culpable from mis handling the documents. An FBI official serving
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Speaker 1: as an assistant Special Agent in charge wrote to another
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Speaker 1: FBI official quote from the interviews. WFO Washington Field Office,
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Speaker 1: which is the regional office, has been drafting a search
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Speaker 1: warrant Affidavid related to these potential boxes at mar A Lago,
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Speaker 1: but has some concerns that the information is single source,
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Speaker 1: has not been corroborated, and maybe dated. Doj opines, however,
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Speaker 1: that they meet the probable cause standard even as we
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Speaker 1: continue down the path towards a search warrant. WFO believes
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Speaker 1: that a reasonable conversation with the former president's attorney stating
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Speaker 1: that FBI and DJ are readying a search warrant and
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Speaker 1: have developed information that there are more documents that Mark
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Speaker 1: ought not to be discounted. And there's back and forth,
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Speaker 1: back and forth, back and forth with folks at CFO
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Speaker 1: trying to be professional and saying, I don't think this
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Speaker 1: is the way. It doesn't seem like we have the dirt, guys,
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Speaker 1: and DJ is like, nah, run with it.
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Speaker 3: Right, all good here? Yeah, you know.
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Speaker 2: I look back at that time and I pinpoint that
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Speaker 2: as the time where Trump was going to win reelection.
19:27
Speaker 2: I think this is what led to it. I remember
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Speaker 2: my own feelings, like it's hard to remember Donald Trump
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Speaker 2: sort of at of the news, but that's where he was.
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Speaker 2: He was in the background. I really didn't think he
19:38
Speaker 2: would run again. I had seen him at mar A
19:39
Speaker 2: Lago and he seemed really happy and content, and I
19:42
Speaker 2: was like, I don't know.
19:43
Speaker 3: I think this guy's done, and then this happens, and.
19:47
Speaker 2: I remember my own they raided Milania's closet, Like it
19:52
Speaker 2: just suddenly, like everything that he said about how unfair
19:56
Speaker 2: he was treated and how law enforcement was used against him,
19:59
Speaker 2: and just all of that came into really focus for me,
20:03
Speaker 2: and I think it did for a lot of other
20:05
Speaker 2: people too.
20:05
Speaker 3: I think that people saw him as.
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Speaker 2: Really being unfairly beaten up by the system and by
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Speaker 2: the Democrats. So I think that this raid led directly
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Speaker 2: to his reelection.
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Speaker 1: I mean, it's Operation Crossfire Hurricane all over again, which
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Speaker 1: is a bunch of politicals at the top of DJ
20:26
Speaker 1: who have partisan ends are like, we don't like this guy,
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Speaker 1: this guy's bad, just don't like him. We're going to
20:32
Speaker 1: end this guy, and here's how we're going to do it.
20:35
Speaker 1: And there's a combination of stretching evidence, making up things,
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Speaker 1: putting things in documentation that are not true, being extremely
20:43
Speaker 1: heavy handed, and it is all with the end almost
20:47
Speaker 1: confessed on paper in writing that the point is to
20:52
Speaker 1: be done with Donald Trump. And you're letting your politics
20:56
Speaker 1: lead you to quote unquote evidence. And again I think
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Speaker 1: I think there was real evidence that he that he
21:02
Speaker 1: has stuff there he shouldn't have, right that we all
21:04
Speaker 1: knew that that maybe arguably should have been other places
21:08
Speaker 1: just of Biden. Maybe Yesh says it right, Right, you
21:12
Speaker 1: have the conversation, you don't do the raid, which is
21:16
Speaker 1: what FBI was saying throughout, and they just in all
21:20
Speaker 1: these emails are saying, we're getting draft after draft after
21:22
Speaker 1: draft from DJ. We're telling them that this is bad.
21:25
Speaker 1: DJ's telling this they don't give a damn about the optics.
21:28
Speaker 1: It doesn't matter. I mean, it's like exactly as you
21:31
Speaker 1: would imagine it is how it went down in writing.
21:35
Speaker 3: That's right.
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Speaker 2: It's crazy that it's all in there that I don't
21:38
Speaker 2: give a damn about optics. Is it's really something They
21:41
Speaker 2: wanted these optics, right, They wanted to have a raid
21:44
Speaker 2: at his house. They wanted to make it seem like
21:48
Speaker 2: this man had done something that deserved this.
21:51
Speaker 3: There's no evidence at all that he did well.
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Speaker 1: And then the FBI further stipulates, like we want to
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Speaker 1: have in mind of officers safe to the optics of
22:01
Speaker 1: the search, and the desire to conduct this search in
22:03
Speaker 1: a professional and low key manner. There is a far
22:05
Speaker 1: better chance execution will go more smoothly, and we may
22:08
Speaker 1: actually gain some measure of cooperation which could go some
22:11
Speaker 1: way to resolving the mishandling of classified record as investigation
22:14
Speaker 1: that is being conducted. I understand this request may not
22:17
Speaker 1: go well at DOJ. However, it is the FBI serving
22:19
Speaker 1: and executing the warrant, and it will be our personnel
22:21
Speaker 1: who will have to deal to reaction to that first contact.
22:25
Speaker 3: They did not want this.
22:28
Speaker 1: In bureaucratic speak, it's all.
22:31
Speaker 3: Of them just begging DOJ please, don't please, please?
22:34
Speaker 1: Can we not do this? Yeah? And you know, probable
22:37
Speaker 1: cause is actually pretty important.
22:39
Speaker 3: You really, I've heard about that.
22:40
Speaker 2: I think that's what they say, that probable cause actually
22:44
Speaker 2: matters well.
22:45
Speaker 1: And there are many ways that search warrants can be executed,
22:48
Speaker 1: many ways that these things can be done. There's a
22:50
Speaker 1: whole scale of like depending on cooperation, how they're done.
22:54
Speaker 1: And they're arguing, rightly, this is the formal president, let's cooperate. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: let's be low key, and Biden Dej's like, we will
23:03
Speaker 1: not be low key, right.
23:05
Speaker 2: Because again they wanted the headlines and that's what they
23:07
Speaker 2: got and that's what led.
23:08
Speaker 3: You know, I'd say to Trump, I think.
23:11
Speaker 1: I do think part of that was You're right that
23:14
Speaker 1: that turned in a way and made people go rating
23:18
Speaker 1: his house. This is, this is above and beyond, it's
23:21
Speaker 1: over the line. They're they're making up charges in New
23:24
Speaker 1: York that they've never used before, right right, all of that,
23:28
Speaker 1: and it made people more supportive of him rather than less.
23:31
Speaker 2: I definitely became more defensive of Donald Trump after that,
23:35
Speaker 2: and I know I know I'm not alone in that.
23:37
Speaker 3: Well, you made good job, guys, good job, good job.
23:39
Speaker 3: We'll be right back with more on normally and a light.
23:42
Speaker 2: Topic to let you head off into the holidays in peace.
23:51
Speaker 2: We are back on normally, where you may have heard
23:54
Speaker 2: the six or seven times six seven, and.
23:58
Speaker 3: Then you do the I know, the little hand motion
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Speaker 3: that goes.
24:01
Speaker 1: There because my son, who is three almost three, his
24:06
Speaker 1: cousins taught him.
24:07
Speaker 3: So he's going talking around the house doing sixty seven.
24:11
Speaker 2: So I wrote about six seven in Wall Street Journal's
24:15
Speaker 2: new Opinion newsletter. It's out if you're listening to this
24:19
Speaker 2: on Thursday. It's out in yesterday's.
24:20
Speaker 3: Newsletter about let the kids have.
24:23
Speaker 2: The six seven. Why are adults so annoyed at it?
24:26
Speaker 2: It's really it almost makes no sense to me how
24:30
Speaker 2: irritated adults seem to be about this whole thing. And
24:34
Speaker 2: I write my defense of it. I say, six seven. Yes,
24:37
Speaker 2: it's annoying, Yes it's dumb. Yes it doesn't mean anything.
24:40
Speaker 2: But it's also an offline phenomenon which.
24:43
Speaker 3: We say we want.
24:44
Speaker 2: Right, you can't sit alone in a room to a
24:47
Speaker 2: screen being like six seven.
24:49
Speaker 1: It's true. It's a communal activity.
24:51
Speaker 2: Now, Yes, it's something that brings these kids together. It's
24:54
Speaker 2: not divided by like the jocks do it or the
24:57
Speaker 2: nerds do it.
24:58
Speaker 3: Everybody does it.
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Speaker 2: They have fun together, something that connects them, and that
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Speaker 2: connection is something that we should approve of and foster,
25:05
Speaker 2: even if it is a touch annoying.
25:08
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm not that annoyed by it. And I feel like,
25:10
Speaker 1: now that I know about it, surely it will be
25:13
Speaker 1: dead soon. That's the thing.
25:14
Speaker 3: Once wear's on it, that's it.
25:16
Speaker 1: Because I'm an old But I do like seeing the
25:19
Speaker 1: videos of kids at basketball games waiting for the score
25:23
Speaker 1: to hit six seven and they all explode. And you're right,
25:27
Speaker 1: you don't have to be like a jock to enjoy it.
25:29
Speaker 1: You don't have to be in any group. For everyone.
25:32
Speaker 1: It originated with a scrilla song that was over overlaid
25:36
Speaker 1: on some tiktoks, and of course that's how all these
25:38
Speaker 1: things are born these days. And then it got overlaid
25:41
Speaker 1: by on a basketball commentator commenting that someone was six
25:45
Speaker 1: seven in a sort of a funny lilt that he
25:49
Speaker 1: said it, and then it just evolved in this thing. Yeah,
25:52
Speaker 1: it means, it does mean absolutely nothing.
25:55
Speaker 3: It's a meme about nothing. As I say in my.
25:57
Speaker 2: Piece, yeah, well did you see that the Baylor women's
26:01
Speaker 2: basketball team game where the six seventh thing happened? I
26:05
Speaker 2: couldn't help but like, big smile, and I don't care
26:07
Speaker 2: about Alabama State or Baylor or women's basketball or any
26:10
Speaker 2: of it.
26:10
Speaker 3: But I write in the piece the score was sixty
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Speaker 3: four twenty four.
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Speaker 2: Baylor sophomore goes to the free throw line for three shots,
26:17
Speaker 2: and like, she gets the first one, then she gets
26:19
Speaker 2: the second one, and then she gets the third one,
26:22
Speaker 2: and the whole place erupts, and it's so fun, and
26:25
Speaker 2: you know, just you're in on a joke and it's great.
26:28
Speaker 1: It's also, we don't have a monoculture anymore, right, I
26:32
Speaker 1: say that, Yeah, is six seven are monoculture? It might be, right,
26:35
Speaker 1: we gotta take what we can get, guys, exactly right.
26:38
Speaker 2: We don't have the super Bowl, the movie yeah, or
26:40
Speaker 2: the shows that everybody watches, or the music that people
26:43
Speaker 2: listen to.
26:44
Speaker 3: Yeah. We don't have any of that, and that is
26:46
Speaker 3: this is great. Let the kids have it. Let the
26:48
Speaker 3: kids have it. Enjoy your sixty seven guys. Well, thank
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