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Talks to Dylan Rees & Luke Molloy about their choice of Day of the Moon (2/2) · A Hamster With a Blunt Penknife - a Doctor Who Commentary podcast

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  Hamster with a blunt. Pen knife for doing.
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  Quicker, quicker. Quicker Welcome back to Hamster
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  with a blunt pen knife for Doctor Who.
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  Podcast, Commentary podcast commentary commentary podcast.
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  Who knows? I am Dylan.
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  I'm not the host and I'm here with two other people.
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  We've got our normal host. Joe, are you there?
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  I'm here. Hello.
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  And of course, we've got the irreplaceable Luke Malloy.
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  Hello, Howdy. And we're back for another day
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  of the moon. I'm.
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  In the unenviable position you like.
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  Because usually I maneuver myself into the position where
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  I'm staring at someone extremely sexy on a zoom call when I'll do
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  these Doctor Who commentary podcasts.
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  And today I've got two equally sexy people in front of me.
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  It's a tough night, I'll tell you.
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  It's it's it's a hard it's a hard one, isn't it?
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  Joe, look, my hands are here. Okay.
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  And look, can I tell you about something that might stun you
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  rigid about Day of the Moon? Please do it.
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  Make me as rigid as you want. Bored Bridget, usually.
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  I think this is a particularly good Stephen Moffett episode.
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  I think this is fantastic. Issues with this two parter is
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  in the first part and and those issues that I've discussed
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  before, well, I actually think this works a lot better.
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  I know there's a lot of mysteries unsolved at the end,
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  but as an hour of television on its own, I think this has got
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  everything I want. It's got brilliant scares in it.
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  It's got alien invasion in it, it's got clever twists and turns
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  in it. It looks fucking gorgeous, but I
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  think this is terrific stuff. It's a belt in an episode and.
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  You're just going to hear that, did you?
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  Yeah. No, it didn't.
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  But you're right. Everything you said was so
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  right. I have a habit of being right.
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  Here now you guys talk amongst yourselves for a moment.
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  My DVD players gone to sleep so because I'm watching this in an
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  old format, but you you guys just chat.
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  You come here from Luke. What to 1969 in America?
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  And I'll buy you a drink. Any of you get a fizzy straw?
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  Oh well, do. You know what?
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  I'm going to try a chat outline on you.
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  You're ready? Yeah.
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  Yeah, that OK. It's alright for me to do this
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  first. I better ask for consent because
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  people might come at me. So.
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  I must say, that blue shirt looks very becoming on you.
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  Why don't you take it off and put me on and then I'll be
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  coming on you. Well, for me, once that did.
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  It's worked twice now. You're in the right place yet,
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  Dylan. Jeez, we're gonna.
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  No, I'm just watching the two entertained logo come up.
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  Did you say jeez the jeez. The what?
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  Doesn't bother. The BBC logo's coming up now.
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  Sorry guys. I'll ask you both a question.
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  Do you think people come to this podcast now expecting smart?
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  Yes, absolutely. ID.
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  Are you just pointed? If it's I'm with a guest and
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  it's just funny. They know because you bring it
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  out of everyone. You've even got Toby.
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  Can you hear him in that about going down?
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  Can you do some things? Honestly, Fraser Gregory, he
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  used to say stop it to me all the time.
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  Now he's the one encouraging this stuff.
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  You've got a knack. You just seem to pull it out.
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  I am not. And to quote on the time, Ash
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  pulling it out is what got John Barrow in trouble.
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  I always had consent the beginning of the zoom call where
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  it says of your consent. You guys, you guys in the T's
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  and C's? How you doing there, Dylan?
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  I'm due to be cancelled any minute.
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  All these bloody menus right on there.
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  I put the disk to Quantum of Solace in the other day and
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  there was 3 movie trailers at the beginning that you couldn't
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  Fast forward like Stranger Than Fiction.
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  The Day the Earth Stood Still with Keanu Reeves and I can't
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  remember the third one, but I missed the days.
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  Of DVD movie trailers. Or you'd wake up in the middle
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  of the night having fallen asleep watching a movie, and the
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  menu had just been on repeat, and repeat and repeat for hours.
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  Remember when you couldn't Fast forward them and you had to
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  watch these bloody trailers? Yeah, it's actually gonna.
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  Cry. Now though, you have to sit
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  there for half hour watching trailers before I I'm eating all
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  my bloody popcorn. And this the size of a planet.
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  Yeah, all the films, even. Style.
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  Yeah, you gotta get through the popcorn.
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  I'm more of a nachos guy myself, but I always get through
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  enjoying. The strike rates, and you can.
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  I saw a picture of him the other day with no hat on.
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  I was utterly convinced it wasn't.
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  It Ben from On the Time Lash We were at the Doctor Who
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  convention and in London, and I ordered What was it?
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  Like a brioche bun or something as part of my lunch.
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  And he went, that's the most London thing I've ever seen.
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  Anybody. I'll have a brioche.
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  Sorry, I was going to bring a slightly back on topic, so if
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  you want to stay off, please go ahead.
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  I was going to say do you remember like watching The
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  Impossible Day of the Moon for the first time?
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  Because weirdly, I don't usually have a really good place in.
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  Where I was, especially with openers and stuff, but I've got
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  nothing, so please enlighten me where you were.
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  I remember watching it, as I said on the last episode, all my
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  mates were suddenly into this series of Doctor Who in a way
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  that they weren't before. And I remember sitting in our
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  house in Finsbury Park, where we lived at the time, just gathered
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  around the TV having a few beers on a Saturday night watching it.
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  And it was the IT was a very strange time in my life because
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  all my mates like not fucking Doctor Who again and like.
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  Good F. I was sitting in the flat that I
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  owned with the man that I married.
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  So my last moved on a bit since then because I'm rented and not
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  married anymore. And I remember getting to the
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  end of Impossible Astronaut and being a bit baffled and
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  underwhelmed and then watching Day of the Moon and being really
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  impressed and say right, I'm geared up for the season now
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  let's go. And then a black spot was next
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  week and then the gang of two parts.
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  This is what's going on. Oh, no, It's a doctor's wife
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  after that. It is, yeah, very up and down
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  this. All all very dark, as you said,
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  yeah. The only memory I have after
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  this of this is and I was probably should have said it for
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  the end. But you know the end when this
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  little kid in New York and she regenerates and you know the
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  doctor he found brain is on. So I was out with my next door
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  neighbor who was a normal person and I'm out and I'm a doctor he
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  fan and she's going with that girl is is with a song, isn't
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  it? I'm like, don't be silly, it's
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  Susan. Susan, it's the Ronnie.
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  But I was convinced that even though you know, you look back
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  and go, it doesn't make any logical sense in any way.
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  Imagine that drops. That was Susan in this episode.
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  The Internet would have gone into meltdown.
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  I was just like, you're stupid, of course not every song, Susan.
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  I'm so thick, right? It took until they were looking
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  at that hand stitching the apartment that says what is it?
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  Melody Pond. Well, it's just it's just
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  something. But literally, it was like 30
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  seconds before the twist was dropped.
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  I didn't make the connection. Melody Pot.
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  It's so They say. All Moffett's twists are so on
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  the surface. Especially with names, because
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  all of his characters are called like Penelope Water or something
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  like that, they've all got weird names.
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  Right, Nightingale. Missy.
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  Even Missy. Yeah.
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  The master. Yeah, but now, classic.
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  Moffett. Pass him off.
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  Shall we jump in today? Yeah, we're ready to moon.
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  Yeah, I'm ready to. Moon always join us, Kazan.
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  If all three of us do it, they'll be an eclipse.
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  Let's go. Great, See, one blast off.
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  And we're definitely in the period of previously on.
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  We need a bit of this going on right now, don't we?
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  But whenever Doctor Who does that, I feel like it's a proper
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  TV show. This, I think this is my own
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  hang up about Doctor Who being taken seriously of just growing
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  up in the 90s where nobody else like Doctor Who.
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  I'm always amazed when I listen to to watch him and marks like
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  what my friend from school had that video I knew nobody had to
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  force my brother to to watch Doctor Who.
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  A bit like a little girl who basically.
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  He is forced to Sarah to watch it now, Yeah.
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  I knew absolutely, buddy. Yeah.
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  I had my one friend who got me into it, but it was like when I
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  was four years old, right up until I was about 20.
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  So it's just. Yeah, one friend when I was 9,
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  but no one at high school. He wouldn't dare.
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  I like the new series, but. Look at this.
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  This all looks fab. It does.
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  High speed car chases will come on from the 70s and we.
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  And I'm a big fan of the time jump cliffhanger for probably
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  reasons that I'd assume you are Dylan.
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  Is that? The actual resolution to a
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  cliffhanger can't be that good, so why not just skip to the good
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  bit? Yeah, I think Moffett's very
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  good at making his part ones and twos very different and making
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  sure it's not just a story split in half.
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  Yeah, which is so much better, yeah.
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  Did you see that camera go over that mountain?
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  Yeah, that's great, didn't it? That's amazing.
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  Oh, by the way, did you two knows as well how I fed you
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  misinformation at the beginning of this course, saying that I
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  got bored by the end of this episode.
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  Yeah, I was deceiving you both. Now we know that you're a good
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  liar. We'll never be able to trust you
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  again. I'm a fantastic liar.
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  I like all this as well, these black and white sort of grainy
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  flashbacks. Every Doctor You fan likes you
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  with Doctor Who Goes Black and white, it's.
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  Just got a bit about Mr. here. Yeah, there's something about
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  it. Why?
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  Why didn't they make the Happiness Patrol black and
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  white? I never forgive them.
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  They should have made the whole of the 50th in black and white.
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  I can. Take Matt's myth seriously.
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  With a beard. Wonderful beard.
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  Beards never look that good though.
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  Do they fake beards? I mean that you can tell it's
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  stuck on. I like it because it's only
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  there for one minute. Yeah, well, it comes back in the
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  finale, don't it? Yeah.
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  Sell out what they build around him.
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  Dwarf star alloy. Glorious gate, you know.
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  Is it? Yeah.
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  God, Moffett's a nerd, isn't? It all the way from.
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  Yeah, I got. I have got a minor gripe about
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  that though, because because it's only just been two episodes
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  since the perfect ever prison to then have another perfect ever
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  prison are. You suggesting that Moff is
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  above reusing our DS? But I mean, it's literally.
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  It's literally a cube with the Doctor site inside.
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  Every time someone dives into the TARDIS out of a high space,
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  I love it. I loved it with asymptora the
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  Doctor. I loved it with River here.
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  Yeah, it's just one of those things that knew who does every
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  now and then that you like. They just couldn't fit.
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  They couldn't do that in classic Doctor Who.
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  The funniest feeling is that very undramatic splash.
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  From Yeah, I was just about to say it's really good, but the
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  special effect of the splash is fuck it.
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  And that reminds you, it's Doctor, yeah.
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  It does show you how we come on, because Ace, where we see it
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  from her POV going into the top is incredible.
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  Are you saying the system? I think this looks very good.
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  All right, take what? Splash is shit, though.
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  I love how this cliffhanger is just sort of all tied together
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  and you're suddenly in this little little mystery.
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  Why are we all slight little kids now?
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  I miss that. I was too busy watching the
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  bloody Yeah. And you were making insightful
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  comments. Yeah, you say them are really
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  good. Is the best thing I've ever
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  said, said. Well, listen, I'll hear it.
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  And when I listen back, all right before I it.
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  Wasn't. I was just saying that I like
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  this bit. It does make you beg the
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  question though, why he doesn't just always get the TARDIS.
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  You know, like App St. falling down the Titanic, why he didn't
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  just throw the TARDIS. But you can't ask that question.
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  You can't always bring it back. To when they use the hats in Was
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  It the Crotons? And What's the What's the New
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  series on where they use the hats?
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  I'll call that. You think that's that's a very
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  useful thing that could have come in, Andy many, many times.
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  Look at them aware. It's almost like the invisible
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  targets isn't. It that is such a great
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  location. It's I got their money's worth
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  out of America, didn't they I? I love all this stuff of.
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  Putting the markings on your body and not really know.
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  What they are, although the ones on the face are odd cuz that how
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  do you, how do you know they're on there?
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  Look in the mirror. I'm gonna get Doctor Who tattoos
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  and they're just gonna all be those.
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  I do have the one Doctor Who tattoo.
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  I think this is where is it? I've only got one tattoo and I
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  got it last year and it is the Matt Smith.
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  Tardis. No.
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  The DW is in the TARDIS shape from the logo, it's.
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  On. My leg.
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  I wonder if I can get it up. This is very good.
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  Get him out. Largely.
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  This is great for podcasting. Go on.
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  Oh. Beautiful mine's.
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  On. Dylan is moaning.
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  Mine's on me on how do. You TARDIS on me off, Oh my.
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  Shit. Well, it was 55 needles in
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  Columbia. 5 Needles in Columbia. Yeah.
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  Wow. Jack and I could get the Ursula
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  Blake paving slab somewhere. Yeah, I would get the little
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  girl from Akatin as well. No, no, we're not doing it.
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  Do you know what I would really like as a Doctor Who tattoo but
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  I haven't got the balls, is I would love a Weeping Angel on
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  both of my forearms. One like that, like that's a
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  scary thing. And one with the hands over
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  there. That's clever.
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  Yeah, that's good. I'll probably never did it.
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  I'll probably just. Know I've image of an Angel.
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  This is a fantastic pre title sequence.
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  I still don't think he ever bettered the Pandora Opens.
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  As anything ever better. But like in his special kind of
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  niche way of doing all those locations, and I feel like he
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  spends his money in odd ways. He does it in sort of 5 minutes
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  and he's got no fucking money left for the rest of the
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  episode. But.
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  And he saves it for himself. He opens with a bang.
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  Well, yeah, Night terrors. They've got no money at all.
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  It's a long pretile sequence. Nothing can save night terrors.
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  How long is it? Oh yeah, 6 1/2 minutes.
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  But the Pan Pandorica one's about 5 minutes but.
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  That that's a statement, isn't it?
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  It's sweeping across the series, and it links narratively to The
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  Big Bang. Rewind and through the series,
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  and it's for characters we actually like.
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  You. Know if they did it here and it
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  was like Captain Avery and stuff, which is really good, at
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  least Van Gogh feel like, Oh yeah, he was cool.
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  I forgot what I was going to say, but it was very insightful.
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  Oh, I'm so sorry. I've taken a lot from that.
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  About pre, about. I think this orphanage is one of
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  the creepiest fucking locations ever in Doctor Who.
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  Yeah, and it's shot really well for some it's sort of, it
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  becomes almost a bit Tim Burtonesque in in in like the
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  angles they choose and stuff. It's.
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  It feels like a proper horror movie, doesn't it?
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  Yeah. Weird eccentric fellow opens the
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  door. It's like, ah, well, you buy
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  that. Come in, then It's all blood.
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  Not the walls, okay. I'd walk in there and go, you
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  know, I'm out, alright. I'm not coming in.
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  I don't know if it's just a reaction to what Doctor Who fans
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  in quote like, but yet anytime we start going to that classic
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  horror, we love it Totally. No, I don't.
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  It sort of takes me out. It's sort of what you were
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  saying in Village to the Angels. It ruins flux a little bit and I
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  think it's just because. They did it so well back in the
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  day. Because you're young, well.
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  Probably, yeah. I don't know.
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  It's the one of the stuffing horrors in the old series.
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  It's the one but the story where it just slows down a bit from
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  it. The orphanage, even though
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  there's some good shots and skirts in it.
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  Everybody just wants it to look like talents and wind Chiang
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  constantly. Again, again, like Karen Gillen
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  is so good. Like.
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  Her fear feels in a way that, you know, I'm going to make an
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  unfair comparison that Jenna Coleman.
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  I never felt she was afraid once in 2 1/2 years in Doctor Who,
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  but. She's not.
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  But she's a character's not. Is she really?
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  Hideous in it. But Aaron killing is terrified
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  in these things. And she should be.
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  I mean, she's in that position where she's completely How long
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  has she been there for? Well.
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  At this point. Yeah, she's just arrived now,
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  isn't she? What are you talking about?
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  The character or the the accent? Well, Amy, well, we cut back to
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  her and she's got all those bloody markings on her face.
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  Well, this it just happens in like she just goes in the rooms
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  and she she's not there for ages.
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  Oh, of course she was I. Don't think so, no.
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  She's not there for. That I'm watching something else
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  then? She says they're as long as she
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  likes, yeah. I remembered the exciting and
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  valid points I was going to make and realized that it was about
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  night Terrors talking about a lot.
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  You said nothing could make night terrors good.
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  I I think night terrors would have been good if they'd have
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  landed in the dolls house with the peg dolls and then figured
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  out afterwards that it was this whole shit happening in a
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  council flat with a little boy is an alien.
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  I know Jess and all that bit and just have them running around
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  with the. Rank up 45.
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  Minutes. That's why you should be right.
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  Or adopted. Dylan, you know, I'm.
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  I'm trying. To get the job, they usually
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  give it to people who've never written before a book on these
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  Doctor Who spit offs. You can do this a lot, can't
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  you? In hindsight Go.
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  What could make this work is not making it in the 1st place, you
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  know? It's why the unmade stories are
• 19:20
  always like. In fans minds, the best things
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  that never happened and. Then they get.
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  The ultimate. I've not touched that with a
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  barge pole though. The the mission to Magnus the
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  Sill one, is it? It's terrible, but I'm rather a
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  fan of B movies, so. Yeah, yeah.
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  And the Celestial Toymaker. One's bloody dreadful as well.
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  And for years everyone was like it was going to be amazing.
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  Have you ever heard the Fendal Torchwood Monthly range from
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  now? I can't say anything about it
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  because it drew in it, but that's interesting.
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  That's one to check out. Gwen in the Wanda Ventum role,
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  isn't it? Isn't she the Fendal woman in
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  that? Yeah, she's in it.
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  It's it's uncomfortable listening, but.
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  It's torturing. I imagine she's in gold paint
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  and masturbating or something like that.
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  I mean and I will check that. Out.
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  He's banking that one for later. Look, I was in the orphanage.
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  You just go in, would y'all No. He's bloody terrifying, but I
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  like the fact that he's seen the silence so many times and been
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  manipulated by them so many times that his mind has just
• 20:41
  snapped. He likes doing this.
• 20:44
  Then all the blood up the walls when the doctor's wife.
• 20:47
  Is it blood or is it just red paint?
• 20:49
  That's the Doctor's what I thought is actually horrific,
• 20:51
  isn't it? Again, so raw, played by Karen
• 20:56
  Gillan. I used to watched it the first
• 21:01
  time. I never particularly liked
• 21:02
  jewelry. I just thought he got in the way
• 21:05
  of what I wanted it to be, which was the Doctor and Amy.
• 21:08
  Shagging and having a great time, but coming.
• 21:12
  It's a lad, aren't you? You're getting older.
• 21:15
  I fucking love Rory and I love their relationship.
• 21:18
  He's. My favorite at this Three.
• 21:20
  Well, you've realized that he's the identification for, yeah.
• 21:23
  He is. He is me in this, in the no, in
• 21:27
  the three. I'm not.
• 21:27
  Sure. How many times?
• 21:28
  How? Many times.
• 21:29
  Have he died? But like he's going.
• 21:34
  Down that rub out. To be like, isn't it?
• 21:37
  Yeah. Well, because I think he's he
• 21:39
  starts off, he's a bit of a coward, he doesn't.
• 21:41
  Yeah, he's not. Just want to be there.
• 21:44
  He's like a reluctant hero, which is what you always wish
• 21:47
  you. Probably just don't buy it in.
• 21:49
  A good man goes to war where he's suddenly in that Roman
• 21:51
  gear, taking on entire cyber. Wars.
• 21:54
  I'll say It's slightly artificial.
• 21:58
  He spent 2000 years being a warrior protecting a cube,
• 22:01
  right? Didn't he?
• 22:02
  What was that all about? I've never listened to the
• 22:08
  boxes, but I can only imagine it's fantastic.
• 22:11
  I thought, like, if Panda goes literally one of my favorite
• 22:15
  episodes, but I did. I listened to that 15 minute
• 22:19
  excerpt of the. They put it on the end of Big
• 22:22
  Finish podcasts. If there's a new release coming
• 22:24
  out, you get the 1st 15 minutes and listen to that.
• 22:27
  What we want. Fuck me.
• 22:30
  You know, sometimes they release a trailer or a or a clip and it
• 22:33
  puts you off. Yeah, that happens more often
• 22:36
  than it turns me on, Big Finish. That fucking smug as assholes
• 22:44
  Nick and Benji talking. I'm like, I don't care if you
• 22:47
  put the sign free on the end of this.
• 22:48
  I can't listen to this. I can't listen to it.
• 22:51
  It's yeah. Oh, there we go.
• 22:53
  Yes. Oh, you just have the Doctor in
• 22:55
  the shuttle as well, like caught in the top of the shuttle, now
• 22:58
  that I love. This the silence of doing a lot
• 23:03
  of stuff, like dangling from ceilings in the last episode, is
• 23:05
  hiding in corners. And I do have to ask the
• 23:07
  question, what you doing there? What you doing tonight, lads?
• 23:12
  Thought I might just cuddle in a corner with my mates.
• 23:15
  I do think this was going to happen.
• 23:16
  You know me. And how great this is and you 2
• 23:19
  plug in all the floors. But I think when you love
• 23:22
  something, the first thing you do is try to take the piss out
• 23:24
  of it, isn't it? Yeah.
• 23:25
  So I don't want to just say and go, this is great.
• 23:29
  Which is great. But it is.
• 23:30
  We did that for most of the flux season, you know?
• 23:33
  Yeah, yeah. Is Karen Gillan the hottest
• 23:39
  female companion of all time? I'd have her yes.
• 23:44
  I think the answer is yes. Yeah, I think for me, yeah.
• 23:47
  Just so we're all on the same page.
• 23:48
  I really dislike her character in series five, though I find
• 23:52
  that they took a while to find her, that she treats Rory
• 23:56
  appallingly. You can't.
• 23:58
  You can't be a straight man and not like her in series 5.
• 24:05
  The thing is, she's she is flawed and she treats really
• 24:09
  badly, but that's what people do when they're in their 20s and
• 24:11
  stuff. Like that I realized, didn't I?
• 24:12
  I had a bit of a therapy session with Luke when we did.
• 24:15
  The good man goes to what I realized that my issue with that
• 24:18
  was the fact that whilst I was watching those episodes in
• 24:21
  series five, I was in a polygamous relationship and
• 24:23
  treating somebody terribly. So I was basically taking out
• 24:26
  all my own problems on Amy Bonds.
• 24:29
  And you had a baby that turned into cum.
• 24:32
  Oh did. It doesn't.
• 24:35
  Ever. Seem to turn.
• 24:36
  Into cum. No, it starts off as cum.
• 24:41
  Oh, you don't think there's something in that, do you?
• 24:43
  Probably nothing would fucking test it.
• 24:45
  I mean, he made the universe come back, didn't he?
• 24:50
  I I do. I love this as a little problem
• 24:54
  solve. It doesn't need to be here, but
• 24:56
  it's just a great fun that they just got right.
• 24:58
  We need to be the president and that'll sort everything out.
• 25:01
  It's just such a stupid Doctor Who idea.
• 25:03
  It's just basically what they did with the Brick and Harry
• 25:06
  stories, isn't it? Invasion of Dinosaurs where he's
• 25:08
  arrested and then the brick just comes in and sorts it all out
• 25:11
  straight away. And I think River Song and Rory
• 25:15
  in their period costumes look fabulous.
• 25:17
  They do. In fact, River Song looks a bit
• 25:21
  shackable there. She's.
• 25:23
  Very attractive for Marmish, doesn't she?
• 25:28
  She heart. And I prefer it because her hair
• 25:31
  is so bloody massive. Usually when they sort of
• 25:34
  restrain it a bit, it's quite nice.
• 25:38
  He loves to be restrained. I think it gave from Karen
• 25:41
  Gillan to Jeremy Coleman it was. You know, it was Moffett just
• 25:46
  casting the hottest girls you could find.
• 25:50
  Can I well, can I say something to you because I oh, well, I'm
• 25:53
  obviously who plays Bill. Bill.
• 25:57
  Mackey is very beautiful as well.
• 25:58
  I was with Mandy Gill a couple of weeks ago and she's
• 26:01
  stunningly beautiful. Yeah.
• 26:05
  There's a thing though, like because I found the character so
• 26:08
  boring, it's she's not that she's not as attractive, whereas
• 26:12
  like. I would say that's where when
• 26:14
  you meet her, all right. I really like Amy and Clara.
• 26:18
  So they're almost more attractive because you don't
• 26:21
  really know those people, you just know them as these
• 26:23
  characters. So Amy, in my mind is this
• 26:27
  kissogram from LED work. If you ever meet Karen Gillan,
• 26:30
  you're like, are you not a kissogram from.
• 26:33
  When I'm getting so in tune with Moffett's wank fantasy, I see
• 26:40
  what you like this so much it. Probably is.
• 26:45
  It is the most heterosexual Doctor Who has been for some
• 26:48
  time. You know when you think it was
• 26:50
  J&T for 10 years and then Rusty Davis for four.
• 26:53
  Oh, here is everyone's favorites Turf.
• 26:58
  What? What's her name?
• 27:02
  I worked with Francis Barber once.
• 27:04
  She did like 3 days on this film that I worked on and it was just
• 27:08
  as the Kevin Spacey stuff was breaking and she came and sat
• 27:11
  down and was just talking at us and she was like, well, I was
• 27:14
  hoping to get my American visa. But you have to have three sign
• 27:17
  offs of one of mines, Kevin Spacey, and he's royally gone
• 27:19
  and fucked it up for me. At the risk of.
• 27:28
  Treading on Thin Eyes, I I really dislike the character of
• 27:33
  Madam Kivari because I don't think we ever really learn
• 27:35
  anything about her at all besides being, you know, a bit
• 27:38
  of a candle to even. But I do love it when she pops
• 27:41
  up in these episodes. It's like those sort of early
• 27:44
  RCD seasons where you get or Missy popping up in early series
• 27:48
  8. I love those little sort of
• 27:50
  teasers. It definitely feels like she
• 27:52
  should have been there at the end.
• 27:55
  Yeah, in time of the Doctor, just to tie it up.
• 27:58
  She canceled at that point. No, no.
• 28:01
  I don't think she's properly canceled.
• 28:03
  No. She's like Sammy.
• 28:04
  Canceled. She's canceled.
• 28:05
  In Doctor Who circles, she's not canceled.
• 28:07
  But she still does Big Finish and still does conventions right
• 28:10
  and stuff like that. Yeah.
• 28:11
  I think she she just liked some tweets rather than like proper
• 28:14
  went out there and did a change straight.
• 28:17
  That little Gray area. Drops to her though, and I'm
• 28:23
  talking about the character now. I'm not the actress.
• 28:25
  She can deliver those sort of one line that ended where she
• 28:28
  goes. I love that ending.
• 28:31
  Considering that, like everything she says is really
• 28:34
  nonsubstantial, she just give it a bit of weight.
• 28:37
  And yeah, I agree that when she's.
• 28:39
  Nothing character though, isn't she?
• 28:41
  Yeah, So when she pops up, like saying these little hatch things
• 28:44
  as a tease, it's really interesting.
• 28:47
  She like, what the fuck is that? It's.
• 28:50
  The time if the Doctor really suffers from her not being in it
• 28:53
  and from River Song not being in it.
• 28:55
  But we get Tasha Lemsip, who's just like a weak imitation.
• 29:00
  Recently turned up on Star Trek Picard, Yeah.
• 29:03
  I did she Oh, yeah. She was a regular.
• 29:05
  And strangely, Wells, they've got what's the face of Lorna
• 29:08
  bucket, haven't they? Oh, she's fabulous.
• 29:11
  She's amazing. I teach she.
• 29:12
  God that the bad taste of Lorna Bucket is long behind us.
• 29:16
  If. You leave Lorna Bucket alone.
• 29:18
  My God, you're Lorna Bucket. I still don't know who she is.
• 29:22
  For years I thought big if Big Finish got their hands on Matt
• 29:26
  Smith, the it's like the most potential for for stories in
• 29:31
  boxes and things to explain and actually dive into.
• 29:35
  But like in the current year of Big Finish that we're in, I
• 29:38
  really don't want. That I feel like I have kind of
• 29:42
  ticked that box with Jacob Dublin and I know it's not Matt
• 29:45
  Smith, but he's a pretty good approximation.
• 29:48
  But no but like. You could get stuff like that.
• 29:51
  Like you could fill in the gaps a bit more with Malik Kevorian,
• 29:55
  The Silence and all that. I actually think you could fill
• 29:57
  in more gaps in Jody's time, and you could you could play about
• 30:02
  that time as children are you could do so much more sessions
• 30:05
  to one's master with the roof. Dogs are all of that.
• 30:08
  But you could see you could literally do the whole, you
• 30:10
  could do the trends a lot as a as a box.
• 30:13
  I know that we got that book once would like 4.
• 30:16
  Little Short stories. It depends on all tails, yeah.
• 30:20
  But I don't think Matt Smith does Big Finish ever.
• 30:25
  He's just he's too. He's successful enough to not
• 30:30
  need to do it, and as much as he loves the role, the only reason
• 30:33
  David Tennant does it is because he's a fan.
• 30:36
  Really, Christopher Eccleston's only started doing it since the
• 30:39
  work just started drying, drying up on TV and you know, Lockdown
• 30:44
  happened. So I just, I you know, I just
• 30:48
  don't see. But it does.
• 30:50
  It's like a good thing in one way, because it does preserve
• 30:53
  that, like I. Don't know.
• 30:56
  I do think David Tennants had some pretty good stuff would be
• 30:59
  finished. So it's been some.
• 31:00
  Great. Yeah.
• 31:00
  And because they're not intrusive or stupid, I'm going
• 31:04
  to say stupid. I mean, like it's not David said
• 31:06
  it me and fuck knows anymore. It's on the strength of one of
• 31:10
  your lust on Gallifrey reviews, You know that I went out and
• 31:12
  bought that darling universe. Yeah.
• 31:15
  Well, I mean that is a good and that is the sort of thing that
• 31:18
  they should be doing that's sort of hampered by them skewing in
• 31:22
  on your Kingdom from some of the Sir.
• 31:25
  Dollies Master Plan. Well, they, they only did.
• 31:29
  I think they only got them for all those though, because it was
• 31:32
  knocked down and they were like, right, David Tennants at home.
• 31:35
  He's got a microphone. I bet if you look at their sales
• 31:40
  over time, there was something an enormous spike that year.
• 31:44
  Well, there was that year when it was like the David ten sets
• 31:47
  of one month. Eccleston was just coming out.
• 31:49
  The other month I I yeah, it was fucking.
• 31:52
  Yeah, it was called long time now.
• 31:55
  Did you know at the time of this Big Finish for nearly, I know to
• 31:59
  sort of bring it back on topic but not but Big Finish nearly
• 32:03
  quit nearly jacked all in because they were not selling
• 32:07
  the sort of numbers they needed to they.
• 32:09
  Actually completely revolutionized.
• 32:12
  How they made things, How they were bringing things out.
• 32:15
  Like Dark Eyes was just after this, wasn't it?
• 32:17
  And then that set the template for Boxer.
• 32:19
  Yeah, but they said it was around the 50th anniversary when
• 32:23
  the main series started acknowledging the past of the
• 32:26
  show. And then Night of the Doctor
• 32:27
  happened, and even though it was only 5 minutes, they said it
• 32:30
  bought in loads of new fans because they were like, oh who's
• 32:33
  this Doctor? We need more of them.
• 32:35
  References. Doesn't he references Lucy and
• 32:39
  all of that love? God, what did we do?
• 32:42
  We want monster that we create. Don't ask why is it?
• 32:48
  I've forgotten now and I washed it this morning.
• 32:50
  Why is it they can hear Amy, but they can't see it?
• 32:52
  What's occurring it? It's that he's put them red
• 32:56
  microchips in the hands that record what you say.
• 33:00
  So where is she right now? The silence of kidnapped, I
• 33:04
  think, yeah. To take over the world, Why are
• 33:11
  they doing that? They're not taking over the
• 33:14
  world, they're influencing the world to create a spacesuit so
• 33:19
  that then they can put the kid in it, or with a song in it, to
• 33:23
  then complete the mission of killing the Doctor at Lake
• 33:27
  Solencio in a space. Why do they want to do that?
• 33:30
  Because it's a fixed point that the Doctor, that they kill the
• 33:32
  Doctor. Lake Solencio.
• 33:35
  And yeah, a fixed point. You can call that an arbitrary
• 33:38
  point as well if you want. A fixed arbitrary point What?
• 33:42
  You're saying this whole season is built around this premise
• 33:47
  that the Doctor dies? Yeah, it's not for a reason.
• 33:49
  Because because time says that should happen.
• 33:53
  Well, yeah. Yeah, that's just shit.
• 33:57
  That's no kind of a motive. Not yet.
• 33:59
  Not if the journey is enjoyable though, which is what we keep
• 34:02
  coming back to. When when the Silents are
• 34:06
  introduced and you sort of got what they're up to, I thought
• 34:09
  they'd be the villain for the 50th anniversary because if they
• 34:13
  could influence in human history, you'd suddenly got this
• 34:15
  thing of like you could insert them into lots of old stories
• 34:18
  and things like that and. Why are you not the show?
• 34:24
  But you know, you could do this sort of what they did in the
• 34:26
  name of the Doctor with Clara going back through, but it makes
• 34:29
  more sense if it's somebody like that rather than the great
• 34:31
  intelligence showing up for Richard and Grant have a cameo
• 34:34
  I. Didn't you're a genius.
• 34:36
  That is such a great idea. Was that, did you think that the
• 34:40
  50th anniversary would be set in the time stream?
• 34:43
  You. Know because that's where it
• 34:44
  ends. And I was like, well, that's
• 34:45
  perfect. Then we can just walk through
• 34:48
  shit and. It was so surprising to me that
• 34:51
  it's not when it's. Yeah, we're just back to normal.
• 34:53
  Don't even know how they got out of us.
• 34:55
  Yeah, it don't matter timing, right?
• 34:59
  Yeah. Said we just got a romp with 1
• 35:03
  1/2 doctors. Zigons and Queen, Queen
• 35:06
  Elizabeth you. Know quite from off a convention
• 35:10
  recently. So just like every time you do a
• 35:13
  multi doctor story something goes wrong, someone doesn't say
• 35:16
  no or someone says no and you're left with an impersonator or
• 35:20
  some other guy every single time he's trying to go on.
• 35:23
  You remember that really dreadful John Poe were that was
• 35:26
  in the trailer with the rapier? Well, yeah, because they forgot
• 35:29
  to replace his face. But everybody else was a
• 35:32
  standard. They replaced their faces, but
• 35:34
  they forgot to replace. John, so far I didn't realize
• 35:37
  that was the case. I thought it was.
• 35:41
  That's my favorite trailer of all time.
• 35:43
  It's. The better.
• 35:43
  It's the best thing about the 50th anniversary.
• 35:45
  OK, the doc touch what are you? Going going through it frame by
• 35:49
  frame to see Easter eggs was the best thing in the world.
• 35:53
  What a geek. Oh, it was, though, the Arachnos
• 35:57
  on the Cliff at all. I remember going out for dinner.
• 36:01
  When that was dropping and being told off by my girlfriend at the
• 36:05
  time because I kept leaving the table to go watch the trailer
• 36:08
  again and again and again, she's like, can you just talk to my
• 36:11
  fucking friends? I'm like, not to.
• 36:13
  It's the 50th anniversary, but I told you about this.
• 36:16
  The day I'll be waiting for. Oh my God.
• 36:19
  I almost came away from my wedding reception because you
• 36:22
  know what was on that day Heaven sent, so I have to watch it the
• 36:27
  next day. Did you see my?
• 36:31
  Think about having said that, my article sums up my night of
• 36:36
  having said. Oh, and to anyone.
• 36:40
  Listen, I mean, I've done this a few Times Now.
• 36:42
  Go find Luke's countdown. It is phenomenal.
• 36:45
  One of the best Doctor Who countdowns of new series
• 36:48
  episodes, minus Jody Whitaker, because it don't want to shit
• 36:50
  all over it. Wonderful.
• 36:53
  Where can we find that, Luke? Thank you At Lost under score
• 36:57
  Gallifrey on Twitter. It'll be it'll be right there at
• 37:00
  the top. You haven't done Heaven's sense
• 37:03
  in Hell Bent for this yet, have you?
• 37:06
  I'm done. You're not for this.
• 37:09
  Yeah, for this. No.
• 37:12
  OK, I think, I think we need to reconvene.
• 37:15
  That would be good. Should we have another freeway?
• 37:17
  Yeah, I. Mean.
• 37:18
  I'm really not sure what I'd say for heavens then, apart from
• 37:21
  just sitting there. We barely talked about Day of
• 37:27
  the Moon. And we can just talk.
• 37:29
  Yeah, this episode is great. By the way, I I I've got a lot
• 37:35
  to say about Heaven Sent and Hell Bent.
• 37:37
  I've got to say about Hell Bent, I'd love to see you both front
• 37:40
  and me on. That one hell bent is, like,
• 37:42
  weirdly almost more interesting than heaven said Yeah.
• 37:46
  Yeah, it's more interesting to talk about, I think.
• 37:48
  It's it tries to do something. Just didn't know the dog story
• 37:53
  is done. Flawless TV is so boring to
• 37:56
  write. About.
• 37:57
  I'm with you. It was just a paragraph.
• 38:02
  Can I ask you a question about this silence pushing onto
• 38:04
  humanity and manipulating humanity to get to some point
• 38:08
  for their evil plans? Because I just want to mention
• 38:11
  the Jaguar off that pushed on humanity to work their evil
• 38:15
  plans and also Azal who pushed on a good plan is.
• 38:18
  A good plan? We achieve any fucking thing
• 38:22
  throughout human history without aliens getting involved.
• 38:25
  No, that's the whole point. Isn't that the good like the
• 38:28
  conceit that all scifi comes to at some point that the aliens
• 38:31
  were here 1st and. When you think about the Doctor
• 38:34
  in every single period of history, I don't think we
• 38:37
  achieved much, you know. And to be honest, it happens in
• 38:41
  Prometheus, the Alien film. And you know those the Silence
• 38:45
  and those big white creatures look a bit like.
• 38:48
  It looks similar, so I'm saying they're in the same universe.
• 38:50
  That's what I'm saying. Doctor Who versus Xenomorphs.
• 38:58
  Saying it, is it any good? What?
• 38:59
  Prometheus? Yeah, that's fucking terrible.
• 39:02
  Seen it years and years ago. Amazing.
• 39:05
  Dreadful. And it's got an even worse
• 39:07
  sequel. Isn't this great?
• 39:09
  I thought this was fabulous because, you know, as I said, I
• 39:12
  had a few issues with how Amy was sort of going, Oh yeah,
• 39:14
  well, you can come along as well.
• 39:16
  That's what a Rose Mickey thing that was going on.
• 39:19
  But then we think she's talking to the Doctor here, don't we?
• 39:22
  And she's actually talking to Rory and I like every time she
• 39:25
  chooses Rory. I'm not punching the air.
• 39:27
  Like, yes. So goes.
• 39:30
  I'm just going to say I feel like Moffett realized his
• 39:32
  mistake with Rory in the first series, and in this season he
• 39:36
  goes out of his way to show how much she loves him.
• 39:38
  Yeah, I think this is to address the fact to the audience.
• 39:42
  There's no doubt she's not going to shag the Doctor anymore.
• 39:45
  She's with Rory. The best is.
• 39:49
  And I really like Angels Take Manhattan, so maybe we should
• 39:53
  reconvene on that one. I'll be the one that's saying
• 39:55
  it's amazing, but the bit at the end where she says, you know,
• 39:59
  he's my husband and I'm going to jump off that with him because
• 40:02
  it's together or not at all. I was like, yes, if this is
• 40:05
  where we've been leading all this time, that's very
• 40:07
  satisfying. I really like it.
• 40:10
  The Angels take for that. I've got problems with it, but I
• 40:12
  think it's a great 45 minutes. It just goes by.
• 40:18
  Just that scene on the stairs. Yeah, and a bit of the time
• 40:23
  travel logic in it doesn't sit well with me at all.
• 40:26
  Well, yeah, you can't go back to it, right?
• 40:28
  We'll just go to another part of America.
• 40:30
  It's not just that. It's just like, oh, we read it
• 40:32
  in a book, so it has to happen, which I just like, Why is that a
• 40:38
  real that? Yeah.
• 40:40
  How many does that mean? No one's ever read a book?
• 40:43
  Going back to how this looks for a second, yeah, like.
• 40:47
  Remember watching? Well, you don't look because as
• 40:50
  I keep saying, you are young. But watching the classic series,
• 40:55
  do we ever envisage that this show would look like this and.
• 40:58
  I think at this time I'm still amazed every time because every
• 41:02
  season looks better and better and better, doesn't it?
• 41:05
  By the time you get to this season, I keep going back to
• 41:07
  that trailer. I just remember thinking, wow,
• 41:10
  Doctor Who is like American level sort of box set show in a
• 41:15
  way that it's. It's not been before it was.
• 41:18
  The IT was the Series 7 trailer for me.
• 41:22
  I, even though I didn't have this like classic thing, I
• 41:25
  remember seeing that Parliament of Daleks and all the Dalek
• 41:28
  ships and thinking, fuck me, that looks amazing.
• 41:33
  My favorite Still the Series 4 BE Oh my God, the stars are
• 41:38
  going out. That's right, fantastic.
• 41:42
  With the gun. We're.
• 41:44
  In. Even though it makes no sense
• 41:46
  that roses. Are the size of our gun.
• 41:52
  I used to love the the series trailers we get at the end of
• 41:55
  Christmas specials. That was like your present.
• 41:58
  That was the Christmas present. It's not.
• 42:00
  Just me? You trying to say that starring
• 42:02
  Art Malik doesn't do it for you? What about the damn the
• 42:06
  plasterer teaser, did you not? Like that.
• 42:09
  This thing is though is right. Is what he does drop him?
• 42:12
  Yeah, A week before they're about to wear.
• 42:14
  That's flux Trainer was brilliant.
• 42:17
  Yeah, it just came too late to get as excited.
• 42:20
  I don't remember that one. I do remember really like in the
• 42:22
  series 11 one where she kisses the air and they play glorious.
• 42:26
  I remember thinking that looks cool and new and fresh.
• 42:30
  Now Matt Smith's. Is it?
• 42:33
  Matt Smith is on fine form at this point.
• 42:35
  This is one of his key doctorish moments.
• 42:38
  I think the way he just talks and talks his way through this
• 42:41
  and confidently owns the room. It's a prop and his chemistry
• 42:45
  again with River is just it's it's 10 out of 10 doctors.
• 42:49
  Yeah, and his way of defeating The Silence is so clever as
• 42:53
  well, that using their sibling no power against them that it
• 42:57
  just it really gives it the kick.
• 43:00
  But yeah, he's so-called. The smart we needed at the end
• 43:03
  of the season, because this is, this is a very clever ending to
• 43:06
  this two-part objective is the fact that he's, I know it's me
• 43:10
  saying this. He's practically masturbating
• 43:12
  over a murdering all these people around.
• 43:14
  A bit weird. Yeah, but I mean, they're bad
• 43:18
  people, aren't they? Yeah.
• 43:19
  That's fine. And we've already established
• 43:21
  he's a bad man. I'm all for dropping this.
• 43:24
  The Doctor feels bad every time someone dies.
• 43:27
  Thing. It's not sustainable in this
• 43:30
  show, yeah. Well, you know what?
• 43:33
  That sequence, you know, where Davrov showed him all those
• 43:36
  people that he's responsible for killing, You know, But he's done
• 43:39
  it a lot now. He's probably so.
• 43:40
  Yeah, And also, it's not like Eve, everyone has stabbed them
• 43:43
  all, was it, you know? Nice crime Doctor Hood.
• 43:49
  I was watching the Rebus operation a few weeks ago and at
• 43:52
  the end of that, the graph in decay, the doctor literally just
• 43:55
  puts a hand grenade in his pocket.
• 43:57
  It sort of goes, blows up, it sort of goes through.
• 44:02
  I haven't been really shocked at Morpheus, sort of came back to
• 44:04
  that and he just cyanides the shit out.
• 44:07
  Oh, Baker was ruthless, but. They'll forget this bit.
• 44:15
  It's so good and then music's really swelling.
• 44:17
  Yeah, and. You know what they say.
• 44:20
  This is the sort of perfect payoff you want in a two-part.
• 44:23
  Absolutely. Say like the new series gets the
• 44:25
  moment right and maybe the logic's not always there, but
• 44:28
  then you know they get the moments.
• 44:30
  This is one over, isn't it? That you?
• 44:35
  Could. That's all that really matters.
• 44:37
  The logic is something. That I'm starting to wonder on
• 44:39
  TV now that is all that matters, I don't really think.
• 44:45
  I think as long as moments, moment people are entertained,
• 44:48
  that's that's what counts. Yeah, I think that all it is.
• 44:51
  I think the problem that TV's got at the moment is the
• 44:54
  register that is, well, let's try and shock me by bringing all
• 44:58
  these old people back or doing this thing or doing that rather
• 45:01
  than just I actually think it's fresher and better just to try
• 45:05
  and tell a good, proper story. No, I want every classic Doctor
• 45:09
  in every. Episode of Doctor.
• 45:10
  I'm not interested now the the problem with this plan means
• 45:16
  there's going to be a lot of people tripping over dead
• 45:19
  silences for years to come and not knowing why they've tripped
• 45:24
  over. You can't have no, I'm not in my
• 45:27
  chair anymore. That's.
• 45:28
  Because that's in time. It's right there.
• 45:30
  Look. It's it's the beginning of those
• 45:34
  accident lawyers for you adverts, because people are
• 45:36
  constantly tripping over on the streets.
• 45:39
  Blame it on pavements. I have heard a lot of objections
• 45:42
  to this ending, that it is violent, that a lot of people.
• 45:44
  I know I love. It And I know, yeah, you guys,
• 45:46
  you guys love it. But I I do think there is a lot
• 45:49
  of objection to this sort of thing.
• 45:51
  Well, I've got more objection to the laser bolts coming out of
• 45:54
  his Sonic screwdriver than his flat.
• 45:58
  I love River shooting all the silence.
• 46:00
  I think it's it's a cool looking action moment and Doctor Who
• 46:04
  does this thing of making action heroes out of people who you
• 46:08
  wouldn't normally expect to be action heroes like River Song or
• 46:11
  probably the new Bonnie Langford Doctor Who.
• 46:15
  And I love that because in any other TV show she not say she's
• 46:19
  not sexy, but she would be a 25 year old supermodel or or like
• 46:24
  some big buff guy. But you know, she could be
• 46:26
  someone's mom, I mean. Yeah, she is so.
• 46:29
  What do you think of this bit when she shoots it without
• 46:32
  looking at it? I think it looks cool, although
• 46:34
  I hate the fact that his fingers flop when he laughs.
• 46:38
  He's got slow motion sparks going around her.
• 46:40
  That's very cool. Yeah, it is.
• 46:42
  It's all very. It's a.
• 46:43
  Real, I think. And you know, like you're
• 46:45
  saying, promoting a sexy older woman or middle-aged woman.
• 46:50
  It's a wonderful thing. I just wish I didn't find her so
• 46:53
  smug as ourselves all the time. But she's not like that all the
• 46:56
  time. She's a few episodes like that,
• 46:59
  but actually most of the time she gets it really right, as
• 47:03
  does the script. It's the sort of Let's Kill
• 47:05
  Hitler mode. Yeah, it's just that And to an
• 47:09
  extent when the River song, but that's because when the River
• 47:12
  songs just to be all like. We need to show you that the
• 47:16
  universe loves you. I prefer, you know, when she's
• 47:19
  on the back foot. That bit in the last.
• 47:25
  What's the last one? There husband's a River Song
• 47:28
  that bit on the ship when she realizes.
• 47:31
  I'm not a fan of the husband. I don't see where this like come
• 47:37
  from. People seem to really like it
• 47:40
  recently. In a year where you don't get
• 47:44
  any Doctor Who and it's tail ended by Doctor Mysterio and my
• 47:47
  husband's A River Song, I've never been so disappointed.
• 47:50
  Yeah, but I love Doctor. Mysterio as well, man, I love
• 47:54
  it. We're all kind of totally losing
• 47:55
  view. It's wonderful.
• 48:00
  I still think that ending of Husband's A River Song.
• 48:02
  That would have been a fine way for coupled to go out snogging
• 48:06
  her. Yeah.
• 48:08
  No. Then we wouldn't have got the.
• 48:11
  Lukewarm Series 10. The one everyone remembers so
• 48:16
  much better than actually. It's fucking amazing.
• 48:18
  I don't know what's wrong with this.
• 48:19
  Do they forget that Monk 3 part? It's because the first episode
• 48:23
  in the last two are fucking. Yeah, it is that the pilots
• 48:27
  brilliant. The last two, some are the best
• 48:30
  and then there's nine in the middle.
• 48:34
  But all like in episode three of any other series.
• 48:41
  But also, Bill's Fresh Air Juice carries it as well.
• 48:45
  Oh, my God. Just see what he said to Nixon.
• 48:47
  They're never gonna forget you. He thinks it's a compliment.
• 48:53
  Oh, here we go. This is where he outs himself.
• 48:56
  It's a it's it's a good little. Line.
• 48:57
  This is brilliant. Yeah, look on Nixon's face.
• 49:08
  I think the moon is far enough for now.
• 49:14
  I want to spin off of him and his husband fighting monsters in
• 49:17
  the 60s. Give me that big finish.
• 49:22
  I like coming back to this storm cage because it just keeps
• 49:25
  reminding me of Series 5, which I really love.
• 49:28
  Just keeps reminding me that that's underneath of the stadium
• 49:32
  in the. Same same world where they're
• 49:34
  going along on those little segways in the runway.
• 49:36
  And the one from Dalek as well. And to be underneath of the
• 49:40
  department store in Rose. For having that rain outside the
• 49:44
  window, I'm like, OK, they're trying, trying.
• 49:46
  To make it different. No, I don't like, but I think
• 49:52
  this this is definitely intended to be their last kiss from this
• 49:57
  perspective. But it doesn't quite end up like
• 50:02
  that because The kiss and the Angels Take Manhattan.
• 50:05
  Or at least implied that which is after this and so because I
• 50:09
  think because so seven, yeah he obviously didn't have the plan
• 50:12
  for so seven at this point that this is meant to be a big moment
• 50:17
  but it's actually not what. Could it just be the kiss?
• 50:19
  Oh, it's your first kiss. It's your last kiss.
• 50:22
  Well, that is their story though, isn't it?
• 50:26
  And it it is going in reverse order until.
• 50:30
  And just take my hand and then you go, I think by the end of
• 50:33
  Series 6, the story's done and it's and it's whatever.
• 50:36
  And then it's like, well, let's just bring it back for this and
• 50:39
  this and this. Do we?
• 50:40
  Do we like Doctor Who kissing people?
• 50:43
  Love it. Good.
• 50:45
  I'm a modern, I'm a modern series fan and I think kisses in
• 50:49
  anything make it more interesting in any drama, any
• 50:52
  TV. I like it when the kisses are
• 50:55
  funny. I love the kissing uniform in
• 50:57
  the walls where she goes. Here comes a shock.
• 51:01
  Yeah, a proper, like, scandalous kiss.
• 51:04
  Is there anything better than that?
• 51:05
  It's probably like. If you had asked me the day
• 51:10
  before the the new series had come back whether I thought the
• 51:14
  Doctor should kiss people, I would have said no.
• 51:16
  But the new series just sold it to me in by the by Bad Wolf and
• 51:20
  Parting of the Ways. Even though it's sort of done as
• 51:22
  a as sort of to save the universe, I was waiting for them
• 51:26
  to kiss like I think that's a testament of good writing.
• 51:30
  That won me over with the plots. You think Jody should have
• 51:33
  kissed somebody? I think Jody should have kissed
• 51:35
  Amanda. Yeah, 100%, I think.
• 51:37
  They should have. They didn't have to be big, but
• 51:39
  just something to buy. Kiss, you know Almost kind of
• 51:44
  like what? How Captain Jack kisses
• 51:46
  Christopher Eccleston like sort of tender goodbye, cuz they know
• 51:49
  it's a goodbye, but not like. 5 minutes of.
• 51:52
  Finger. Yeah.
• 51:52
  Why? I mean, why would you not do
• 51:54
  that moment? Yeah, it's.
• 51:56
  They were brave enough to suggest the same sex doctor
• 51:59
  companion relationship. Just see.
• 52:01
  Yeah, yeah. Yeah, we can put can put Colin
• 52:06
  Baker on screen in 2022, but we can't have two women kiss.
• 52:12
  This ending is is sort of the issue with the being caught with
• 52:18
  your foot in two camps of. Let's tell this big over
• 52:21
  watching story, oh shit, Doctor Who's going on for 13 weeks and
• 52:25
  it's an anthology show. So rather than just do the
• 52:27
  logical thing of finding out answers, it's like ah fuck it,
• 52:31
  let's just get rid of the because we.
• 52:35
  Have to be. I mean, in a lot of ways I think
• 52:37
  the flux season was a lot braver to do it in those condemn.
• 52:40
  I know it wasn't deliberate and they wanted 10 episodes.
• 52:42
  They would have done a Four Seasons it.
• 52:44
  Was a different time to. Do 6 episodes like that, Like
• 52:47
  they weren't doing that here, were they?
• 52:49
  No. And it works really well,
• 52:51
  definitely. But it was a different time in a
• 52:54
  way that like Russell T couldn't have done this in 2005.
• 52:58
  I don't think it was influx in 2011.
• 53:01
  No, I think you're probably right.
• 53:02
  I was super intrigued by this scene, but I was just like just
• 53:05
  another fucking mystery. No, I loved it with those things
• 53:08
  that haven't been answered. Yeah, I loved it.
• 53:10
  I think it's one of the greatest endings of the Doctor Who story.
• 53:15
  Like it. Just it.
• 53:16
  Just it. It's also telling everybody that
• 53:17
  this story is far from over. Yeah.
• 53:20
  And you go remember this to the point when the generation wasn't
• 53:23
  born, yeah. How does having sex in the
• 53:27
  TARDIS create? I've never, I've never done it.
• 53:35
  He said, Remember, let's kill Hitler where she's like, well,
• 53:37
  you can have all my energy. I won't.
• 53:40
  Regenerate. Again, you only have to ask.
• 53:48
  It's a such a cool cliffhanger. Yeah, it's clear.
• 53:52
  And now this is not that normal to have a season opened up with
• 53:56
  lots of questions unanswered. This is like, the norm in
• 53:58
  television. Oh God, here we go.
• 54:00
  Well, the Next Time trailer looks great.
• 54:02
  Yeah. I think I've got to the
• 54:05
  conclusions. I don't like pirate stories
• 54:06
  because. I don't like pirate stories, I
• 54:09
  think though. Space pirates.
• 54:13
  I think the curse of the Max part is very watchable.
• 54:16
  I just don't think it's good in any way.
• 54:19
  I can imagine a six year old watching it and thinking it's
• 54:22
  bloody brilliant. But I can't.
• 54:24
  It's not good. Who's the guy that writes it?
• 54:26
  He writes a loads. Of Steven Thompson?
• 54:29
  Yeah, exactly. He did time heist and journey to
• 54:32
  the center of the TARDIS and. I quite like time Heist.
• 54:35
  Yeah, I like time Heist, but Journey to the center of the
• 54:36
  TARDIS is oh. My God, that's one of those that
• 54:39
  I recognize. It's shit in every department,
• 54:41
  but quite like it. I think that's about the and the
• 54:45
  brother not being the Android. Yeah, it's the worst twist since
• 54:50
  Guy Crayford took off his iPad. Oh, it is, yeah.
• 54:54
  Yeah, it's absolutely horrendous.
• 54:58
  I don't know what because he was he was the other Sherlock
• 55:00
  writer, wasn't he? I.
• 55:02
  Think, Yeah. He wrote a good episode of
• 55:04
  Sherlock. He weirdly wrote the rocking
• 55:07
  back fall, which is like it's up there.
• 55:11
  Could be the best one. Yeah, and then he wrote two of
• 55:14
  the most forget forgettable Doctor Who stories ever.
• 55:18
  He did that Sherlock episode in series one with like the bankers
• 55:23
  and and that no one ever remembers, ever remembers the
• 55:27
  taxi driver and Moriarty turned up at the pool.
• 55:30
  And there's an episode in the middle that no one's got clear
• 55:33
  that. He did.
• 55:34
  He should go if you want a forgettable middle in a series
• 55:37
  episode. I realized I could be the
• 55:39
  exception from the norm, but I love Sherlock so much.
• 55:43
  Well, if you don't like it, makes more sense.
• 55:46
  Yeah. It was it.
• 55:47
  Was this taken to the Mth degree, wouldn't it?
• 55:50
  It makes sense for you. Smugness factor 11.
• 55:54
  Well, boys, we've watched the two episodes, and now we need to
• 55:58
  find nine reasons to recommend this.
• 56:01
  We're actually going to talk about them now.
• 56:04
  We're going to go. You ready?
• 56:06
  Dylan, Look me and then round around.
• 56:09
  OK, my first one is going to be the look of the episode.
• 56:15
  So from the production design through to the camera work, to
• 56:18
  the lighting, I think it looks fantastic.
• 56:23
  Yeah, I think it is. It's the most confident and
• 56:29
  economical script. That's the most confident doctor
• 56:33
  there is, and it's the most economical script the Muff ever
• 56:36
  writes. It's just up to the really.
• 56:39
  Peak of its powers at the end of the golden periods.
• 56:43
  I think I've got this like golden periods in my head from
• 56:46
  like human nature to about here is when it's like you could
• 56:52
  consistently watch them and there isn't really a Duff and
• 56:55
  then it starts to get a bit more hokey.
• 57:01
  My first thing is, thank God it ain't.
• 57:03
  Christmas Carol was just now I'm joking.
• 57:04
  I'm joking. I really hate that as well.
• 57:08
  I I'm going to say the orphanage scenes because I am one of those
• 57:11
  old farts that remembers gothic horror Doctor Who, and I just
• 57:14
  think it's. I'm not sure it's been bettered,
• 57:17
  if I'm honest. There's the direction in those
• 57:20
  scenes is really, really stunning.
• 57:21
  It's so much atmosphere and you got Karen Killen scaring the
• 57:24
  pants off me, so I love those scenes very much.
• 57:29
  Next up, I'm going to go for quite an obvious one, but I'm
• 57:33
  going to go for River Song and Alex Kingston just because.
• 57:38
  I I'm like everybody got a bit sick of her by the end.
• 57:42
  But re watching this I was reminded of how good she is and
• 57:46
  also like the thrill and excitement of the character when
• 57:49
  you didn't know who she was or you.
• 57:51
  All you have is that you'll guesses.
• 57:53
  And I think she puts it in a great performance and adds a
• 57:56
  different energy to a series of Doctor Who and the energy that
• 58:00
  we haven't really had before. Yeah, I'm going to say the.
• 58:06
  The way of defeating the Silence is so clever and in the moment
• 58:11
  is so good and victorious, and it does what every good Doctor
• 58:15
  Who resolution does, which is use the monsters powers against
• 58:19
  them. But yeah, there's something so
• 58:23
  cool and just when he says kick up the backside for the Silence,
• 58:28
  you really feel it like absolutely punch.
• 58:31
  Yeah, it's great. I'm going to say Murray Gold's
• 58:34
  music, which is stunning and I I think there's like 3 periods of
• 58:39
  Murray Gold. I think there's the RC D4 years
• 58:41
  where he's feeling his way in and he's experimenting and
• 58:45
  there's a lot of really memorable stuff there.
• 58:48
  Then you get the Matt Smith years, which I think is peak
• 58:50
  Murray Gold. You know, the Doctor's theme
• 58:53
  shows that, and that's when he's just on fire and delivering 1
• 58:56
  banging score after another. And then he's sort of in his
• 58:59
  twilight years where he's reusing old scores and he's run
• 59:03
  out of a few ideas in Capoli's time.
• 59:05
  But this is peak Murray Gold here.
• 59:07
  And just the music throughout this, it gives it the scale.
• 59:11
  The music's always helped give doctors Who scale and you got
• 59:13
  the visuals now, but the music is doing a lot of the work as
• 59:16
  well. I think it's great.
• 59:19
  I'm going to pick another obvious one and that is Matt
• 59:22
  Smith just because I don't always love the Matt Smith Dr.
• 59:25
  but this episode is reminds me of the the Matt Smith Dr. that I
• 59:29
  do love and he's he's got that little speech with I know you
• 59:34
  don't like Joe with the Jammy Dodgers and the fairs and things
• 59:36
  like that. I love that And then hit this
• 59:39
  whole resolution where he's just talking and talking and firing
• 59:41
  off that dialogue at 1,000,000 miles an hour and it's just such
• 59:44
  an exciting moment and so well delivered and so this is this is
• 59:48
  the Matt Smith that I. Like before in my mind, in
• 59:51
  series seven, he just goes off the boil a little bit, so it was
• 59:54
  good to be reminded of that again.
• 59:59
  Well, it's not something we talked about at all.
• 1:00:01
  It's probably because we're talking so much.
• 1:00:03
  But I think how funny this teapot is this, if you go back
• 1:00:08
  and watch it, it is just full of gags and funny bits like Mrs.
• 1:00:14
  Robinson and. The yeah, the joke at the end
• 1:00:18
  with Nixon and that the time head, there's just loads of
• 1:00:24
  really, really good funny gags in this really already
• 1:00:28
  economical script that just keep it flying along and giving you a
• 1:00:34
  laugh. So yeah, we knew that, we can
• 1:00:35
  comment on it at the time, but it's so funny.
• 1:00:39
  And my last one is going to be you said this felt really,
• 1:00:42
  really confident. I think this is probably the
• 1:00:46
  boldest. Season and the most ambitious
• 1:00:49
  season of Doctor Who that has been in the new series, and I
• 1:00:53
  don't think it works. But props to him for going there
• 1:00:57
  and trying to tell such an enormous story and a nonlinear
• 1:01:02
  story and a story about the Doctor's death and a story that
• 1:01:05
  goes into like dark things like Amy give me birth and losing her
• 1:01:09
  baby and all of that stuff. This is really like you said.
• 1:01:15
  If you are bold, then you take the risk of failing.
• 1:01:20
  If this does fail, I'm still glad he did it because it's more
• 1:01:25
  interesting than just playing it safe.
• 1:01:29
  Yeah, I agree. And it is the most bombastic
• 1:01:33
  Doctor Who pretty much ever is. Yeah, when you come back to this
• 1:01:38
  era now you're like again having not seen it for a while.
• 1:01:42
  I was almost a bit shocked at how at the pace of it and the
• 1:01:46
  the just how loud it was in terms of and I don't mean the
• 1:01:50
  volume. I just yeah, it's just got so
• 1:01:53
  much bravado and I'm just sat there sort of going oh wow, this
• 1:01:57
  is this is a very particular style of Doctor Who because you
• 1:02:00
  sort of as you go through the series and the showrunners, they
• 1:02:04
  all sort of morph into one a little bit because the the
• 1:02:07
  changes tend to not happen overnight but happen over the
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  course of a few series so. It's suddenly apart from
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  possibly between Moffett and Chibnall.
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  But there's, you know, you just don't quite.
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  I kind of lump this era and the RTD era together as sort of
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  being the same, but they're just not, yeah.
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  Not the RTD era. It's more consistent, but it
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  plays things safer. But because it has to, not
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  really. Because they he was rust.
• 1:02:45
  He was trying to play it safe. And yeah, it will be adjusted to
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  see him now with money. I'm secretly hoping that he
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  absolutely ruins the show and gets it canceled.
• 1:02:54
  Just. So he can say to someone I can.
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  Rub it in everyone's faces. That's all.
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  I love RTD One and I'm sure RTD 2 will be fantastic.
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  I've suddenly come to the conclusion I just love it all,
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  you know? I just love some of it a bit
• 1:03:10
  more than the rest. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:03:14
  I think you sort of reached that conclusion.
• 1:03:17
  And I think, I think once you once you're okay with Doctor Who
• 1:03:20
  being imperfect and a bit silly, then it's all becomes a lot
• 1:03:25
  easier to watch. I think there's points in your
• 1:03:27
  life. There's certainly points in my
• 1:03:28
  life where I took it very seriously and wanted Doctor Who
• 1:03:31
  to be. Taken seriously by other people
• 1:03:34
  now I couldn't give two shits. It's like I just find it a lot
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  of fun and you just just take some weight off your shoulders,
• 1:03:41
  behave like you're Ian Levine the entire time.
• 1:03:43
  Life must be so fucking hard when you you give that much of a
• 1:03:46
  shit about some animations from missing television.
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  I take it. But then I do always find it,
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  like, admirable, like I've said that.
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  Like they still cling on to that.
• 1:03:58
  Yeah, it's because. Yeah, they've lived with that
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  weight of trying to, trying to tell everyone this is though,
• 1:04:06
  this is good, this is bad, this is, and they believe it and it's
• 1:04:11
  like. To to love something and believe
• 1:04:14
  something that much with the. Rise of With the rise of
• 1:04:17
  podcasts and things like that, it's just challenged those
• 1:04:20
  opinions so much. Definitely, I think.
• 1:04:22
  And turn the ties on a lot of those stories.
• 1:04:25
  I've pulled a few out of a hat. The gunfires and things like
• 1:04:28
  that invasion of the dinosaurs that everyone had written off
• 1:04:31
  because the books in the the 90s that were published and, you
• 1:04:35
  know, accepted fan opinion. And that's good.
• 1:04:38
  It's good. It's good for me to come on and
• 1:04:40
  talk to you guys that love this stuff and for you to tell me why
• 1:04:44
  it's so great because I've come away with a renewed appreciation
• 1:04:46
  of it. I was told as a kid, definitely
• 1:04:50
  the Doctor Who was only really good at the 70s and then not
• 1:04:53
  rubbish in the 80s and the 60s. Stuff's OK but it looks a bit
• 1:04:56
  rubbish because it was made in the 60s and that was popular
• 1:04:59
  culture consensus, Doctor Who fan consensus, Do you know what?
• 1:05:03
  The 70s is the period I revisit the least and feels almost the
• 1:05:07
  most kind of I don't even want to touch it, you know?
• 1:05:10
  Because it's safe and consistent, yeah.
• 1:05:13
  But then I'd much rather be watching the Happiness Patrol.
• 1:05:16
  But the 80s is inconsistent when it hits.
• 1:05:20
  Yeah, exactly. Or even something like Mind
• 1:05:22
  Walk. We was having this conversation
• 1:05:24
  before going well. I don't even know whether I like
• 1:05:27
  it or not every time I watch it, but.
• 1:05:30
  I. I certainly have an experience.
• 1:05:33
  Yeah, yeah, right. Here's the one story that every
• 1:05:37
  time I watch it, I completely change what I think.
• 1:05:42
  I think that like, you're right, about 10 years ago, if someone
• 1:05:46
  said to me they likes, I like fear her.
• 1:05:52
  But I'll just use it as an example.
• 1:05:53
  I like fear. You go.
• 1:05:54
  Yeah, but you don't, don't, do you?
• 1:05:56
  But then you have people talk about it and you realize that
• 1:05:59
  they actually do. And there's people out there
• 1:06:01
  that actually do. And then it does make you come
• 1:06:04
  to the realization that because I have it with the Jody stuff,
• 1:06:07
  I'm like, no, people are just putting this on.
• 1:06:10
  They don't actually like it. And then your hair to your hair,
• 1:06:13
  like, use talk about it for five or six hours and you're like, I
• 1:06:19
  actually don't think they are. It's a lot of dreary for seven
• 1:06:25
  fucking hours. It's a lot of time to waste if
• 1:06:29
  to to lie about. I know, but but it does
• 1:06:34
  definitely challenge it and that, yeah, that's great.
• 1:06:37
  There's only one conclusion we can draw from all this, you
• 1:06:40
  know, and so we'll have to reconvene and talk about Series
• 1:06:44
  9. I mean, I'm always happy add it
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  to the list. I want to do Father's Day with
• 1:06:52
  you. I want to do Asylum of the
• 1:06:54
  Daleks with you are. You sure?
• 1:06:55
  Because I hate both those here as well.
• 1:06:58
  Mental. Asylum of the Daleks is a
• 1:07:00
  banger. Oh, Top 25.
• 1:07:02
  Yeah, easy. Also very good looking episodes,
• 1:07:07
  yeah. Fucking beautiful.
• 1:07:09
  Now we also we also said that we were going to try and get the
• 1:07:12
  three of us to do Spy Fall, didn't we?
• 1:07:16
  Yeah, for the threesome if we got.
• 1:07:19
  Spy fall. And then we just said as well.
• 1:07:22
  Heaven sent hell Ben. There we.
• 1:07:24
  Go. Perfect.
• 1:07:25
  Magic. I'm sure we'll pick us some more
• 1:07:28
  along the way. The rediscovery of Gallifrey and
• 1:07:31
  the redestruction of Gallifrey Double Billy.
• 1:07:37
  Well, look, boys, I could talk about Doctor Who with a pair of
• 1:07:40
  you all night long. But a lass I'm working, it just
• 1:07:46
  leaves me to say thank you so much for your time.
• 1:07:48
  It's such a pleasure to talk to both of you.
• 1:07:50
  It was a hoot. Yes, thank you.