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#270: Joe Lee-Quincy Wilson's coach answers your questions! · The Gill Athletics Track and Field Connections Podcast

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  Track and field world juvenile tuned in to our humble servant
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  Mike Cunningham for another extraordinary message or Guild
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  athletic connections. All right, here we go back on
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  the Gil Connections podcast. This is fun, a lot of fun,
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  because today is real special. Every, every time we do this
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  podcast, it's special, I ain't going to lie.
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  But today's a little bit fun, a little bit different for a
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  couple of reasons. First of all, if you're
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  listening to it on the day it dropped, on the day it published
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  or the week that it published, our coach today is already been
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  working. This is August 5th when it
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  publishes and the mixed relays I think starts on August 2nd or
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  August 3rd. So we already like you already
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  know some things that are going to happen about today's athletes
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  that we're going to talk about today.
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  So that's a lot of fun. 2 What makes this is kind of unique, I
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  think, I think this is only the 2nd coach that has been on
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  twice. Way back in the day we had
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  Marissa Chu come on to talk about coach's collab.
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  This is during the COVID obviously.
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  And then we brought her back on to talk about her journey.
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  Today's guest, Joe Lee, Shocker, right?
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  You've already seen the title. Joe Lee is Quincy Wilson's
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  coach. If you haven't heard Joe's
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  story, press pause, same app that you're using right now.
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  Search Jolie Gil athletics and you'll have his episode where we
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  talk about his journey from how we got into coaching, how you
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  got into track, how you got to coaching, the different spots
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  along the way. And we do it.
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  It's kind of interesting. We do touch on Quincy because
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  you know, he's just not he's not now just becoming a star.
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  He's been a star. So we talked a little bit.
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  It was really interesting to me, Joe that we talked about like,
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  you know, you've coached a lot of good athletes.
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  I mean, you know, really good athletes here and then, you
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  know, there's there's these transcendent athletes and we
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  knew back then that, you know, Quincy was probably then.
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  So it was cool to kind of touch base back then about like,
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  what's it like to coach that kind of athlete?
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  What kind of outside influences you, you get wanted and not
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  wanted and things like that. And since that podcast, boy
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  Quincy has has maybe, you know, you certainly knew, but maybe as
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  we all kind of knew, has just continued to rise.
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  And now with his not only athletic endeavors from the
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  Olympic trials, obviously making the team, which is a big deal,
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  making finals, which is a big deal set in the what was it
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  under 16 world record, those kind.
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  Of. Yeah, under 18.
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  Those are all amazing. I think he really captured the
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  heart, if you will, of America with his interviews.
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  I think that's really like, he was one thing, what his feet
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  were doing on the track, his heart and soul when it came to
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  the interviews, I think people were just like, Oh my gosh, like
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  this is a good kid. Like, Oh yeah, he's, he's
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  awesome. But he's a good kid.
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  Like, it's quite amazing. So this will be a lot of fun.
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  What we did today is I went out to, you know, where I live, I
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  live on social media, right? So I went out to Twitter, went
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  out to Facebook and said, hey, we're going to have Quincy's
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  coach here, we're going to do AQ and AI.
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  Really, I probably have zero questions to ask today because I
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  got so many from Twitter and Facebook.
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  And so we've kind of put them in a little bit of an order.
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  And I think we're just going to go through and have some fun
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  and, and just kind of answer questions.
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  We'll, we'll tell you who, if you participated, we'll tell you
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  who the tweet or the Facebook post is from.
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  And then we'll kind of just go from there.
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  Joe, does that sound sound fair to you?
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  Yeah, Mike, it sounds great. First of all, it's great to be
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  back with you. And you know, you're my guy, so
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  I am excited to finally be back with you and I just need to
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  figure out an excuse or reason to come on 1/3 time so I can
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  make history and beat Coach Chu, who's an amazing person anyway.
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  But I just got to find out an excuse.
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  Maybe I can go in like, I don't know, shine your discus behind
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  you. It's when it's more than one.
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  Is it this guy? Yeah, you know, that's a big
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  argument around here, discuses this guy.
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  No, no, we, these are things that we talked about here.
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  Hey, well, let's get it on wax right here, right now.
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  How about this? Let's make history.
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  Let's make it 3. We'll set it in a row.
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  Let's make it 3. Let's have you and we'll talk to
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  Quincy, maybe Quincy as well. But how about post Olympics?
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  I, I think a lot of people would like to know what's the Olympic
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  experience like? You know, it's one thing to hear
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  from a 25 to 30 year old professional who's been to
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  Monaco and the Paris DL and things like that.
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  How about a high school kid who I loved his interview, doesn't
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  even know when he's going to get his driver's license by the way,
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  because he's so busy with these things.
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  How does a kid who doesn't even have his driver's license,
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  what's that experience look like?
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  What's that experience look like from the coaching lens maybe?
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  How about that? How about we come back and we,
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  we wrap things up. I don't even say wrap it up
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  because, you know, we got a long career here with him and with
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  him, but we come back and we learn about the Olympic
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  experience. How's that sound?
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  Yeah, man, if we can work that out, I'd love to do it.
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  And yeah, it's, it's crazy because he's he's at the ripe
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  old age of 16. You know, he's he's just getting
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  started. It's amazing it.
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  Is awesome. It is awesome.
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  Are are you are you going? Yeah.
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  Yeah, OK, Good, good, good. Are you going?
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  No, man, I. No, what are you doing, man?
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  It's too. Far it's.
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  Too far. We've got we've got these things
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  underground. They're called airplanes, man.
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  I'm. Sure, you.
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  I'm sure you have AAG five or something at your disposal.
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  Not at all. I if the only, no, I was going
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  to make a really bad joke about that song.
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  G6 and G5, I'm not even going to go there.
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  Let's hop right into a joke because they're not here to
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  listen to me. So got a lot of great questions
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  and feedback. Appreciate everybody's
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  participation here through Twitter and Facebook.
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  We're going to go like in a little bit of order here.
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  So I kind of want to just start right off the bat.
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  You know, one of the questions, one of the thoughts that we get
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  when you hear about a kid like Quincy and what he's running and
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  he's, you know, he's transcended and he's doing things that, you
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  know, literally no one has done. So there's a lot of questions
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  about, well, he's a, you know, a sophomore, just finished his
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  sophomore years. He come back to school.
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  Is he going to GoPro? There's this whole, you know,
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  there's New Balance, which we're going to talk a little bit about
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  the NIL type things like that. So right off the bat, Jimmy Dean
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  over on Twitter asked I love it. You know, it's on one hand
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  there's a little bit of hutzpah for asking this question because
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  it's like, well, you know, it's not your business.
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  You'll know when it the the press release comes out.
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  But Jimmy just comes straight out and says that hey man, ask
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  Joe. When is it?
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  Well, actually he says ask Joe when is he going pro?
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  Maybe he meant you. I don't know, but I.
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  I think he meant me. I assume he meant Quincy.
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  Well, listen, with a name like Jimmy Dean, you know, he
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  probably knows that I'm going pro and something non athletic.
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  So well, I mean officer means Quincy, you know, when is he
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  going pro? I mean, you know, that's up to
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  him and and you know, right now he's in high school and he's
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  having fun. So, you know, if any broke don't
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  fix it kind of deal, we definitely coming back to high
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  school. So you can break that news, if
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  you will. People are talking about it.
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  His mom jumped on on social media.
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  We try not to respond on social media, but that one she did
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  respond like no, he's going back to high school because people
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  talk about, but now that he's pro, no, he's just running
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  against per athletes. There is a difference.
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  I believe he has a pro mindset. You know he's he's because he's
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  going in and he's not intimidated or afraid one bit
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  because it's just competition though.
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  He's lining up and lacing his shoes up just like everyone
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  else's. We've heard him say it and he's
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  going out there being a force of competitive can be.
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  It's almost like if you're at the basketball court and you
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  know, you see some guys playing ball and you see the young guy
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  coming through and he's given everything he had handed to hang
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  on the court with the big dogs. So he's not going pro.
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  And eventually if he chooses to go pro because it's not bad, you
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  know, it's not, it doesn't go without saying that he could
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  choose a different grade. I mean, he's so, so smart and
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  he's so talented. I mean, he's so contagious with
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  just his, his personality and his leadership.
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  I mean, he could be CEO of the company.
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  He can start his own company. He could, you know, go into
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  whatever you wanted to do. The Sky's the limit for for that
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  young man, you know. But right now we're having fun
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  as a high school athlete going into places that people didn't
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  think we would be, but here we are.
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  That leads me to this next question here.
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  I'm going to kind of, I'm going to read the question and then
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  focus the question. So DRH track observer says, and
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  and this is a question we're not going to answer, who is paying
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  his tuition and other expenses at your school?
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  That's not any of our business. I don't.
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  I'm Mr. D. Or Mr. I can answer it.
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  I'll answer it his parents. OK, there you go.
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  That's what I assume. But again, you know, like, this
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  is a school. This is a high school, right?
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  Right. Yeah.
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  His parents, right? So he continues on and says, I
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  understand he already signed a professional contract.
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  Pause. We'll, we'll get to that in a
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  second. Can he still go to college on
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  scholarship and delay his professional career?
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  What I'm assuming DRH track observer says when he says that
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  he's our, I understand he already signed a a professional
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  career. We do know that Quincy signed an
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  NIL deal with New Balance. I believe I I could be getting
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  that incorrect as well. So I think maybe that's what
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  he's thinking. That doesn't affect his college
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  eligibility, correct? No Nils for just for anybody
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  that that's that's separate. It's this new, new new deal
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  we're in and we're excited about it just for everybody.
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  I mean, you know, I've been a proponent for years.
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  You know, we've talked about this, I think it was on our last
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  podcast that, you know, just the name, the English, the likeness
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  of athletes. I go all the way back to the
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  Jalen Rose story that I told where he's, you know, in the
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  mall and he didn't have any money in his pocket.
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  He's hungry and he passes by the Foot Locker and he sees his
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  Michigan jersey being sold for like 120 bucks and he saw none
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  of that. So I mean, yeah, I mean the Nils
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  are are what they are. I don't get into that side on on
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  this coach. So I don't have any workings
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  around that kind of thing. But just for any any athlete in
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  general who signs in NIL, if you can read up on it, it's no
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  secret. It doesn't impact your
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  eligibility because it's, it's separate and it's, it's done
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  totally outside of of the college experience.
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  So that's that's that has nothing to do with his
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  eligibility for college or pro or anything else.
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  Yeah, I think NIL is still so new.
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  I know we throw around those 3 letters and everyday vernacular
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  now, but I think it is still so new that there's still confusion
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  amongst even us in regards to the Track World of, well, is
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  that professional or is that NIL?
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  How does that affect? So it's, I think it's a fair
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  question for a, for a high school kid.
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  Yeah, yeah. Yeah.
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  Brandon, this might be this has to be just a simple yes.
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  And we can move on to the next question.
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  Brandon LeBlanc on Twitter asked, has he been approached by
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  any major sponsors about turning pro?
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  I just assume that's a yes. You know, and I'll be honest, I
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  don't know, I bet my my focus here, Mike, I'm telling you, my
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  focus is to try to help him be the best athlete he can be and,
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  you know, partner with his parents and them being the lead
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  on that, being the best person he can be.
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  Like I don't like like he's signed with WMA as we know about
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  that. That's, that's, that's all them
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  like I'm a track coach and, you know, a month ago, no one was
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  asking of these questions or maybe they were, but they
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  weren't asking at this level. So we're not doing anything any
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  different. I mean, you know, we practiced
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  yesterday and and, you know, he's there are some younger kids
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  out there at the training session.
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  Some of my private training kids were there and he's jumping in
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  and he's just helping coach them without even being asking.
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  He's just a great human being. So love that you know that that
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  that you know, I don't get into any of that.
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  If if it's happening, I don't know about it.
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  And quite frankly, I don't want to know.
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  I don't need to know. What I need to know is how fast
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  you coming through your 200 so we can make sure that we drop
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  this quarterback. Love it, I love it we continue
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  to evolve in the questions Dwight love ask.
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  How many Division One letters offers does Quincy have?
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  I mean, I assume again, you know, sometimes there's
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  assumptions and you know what it's assuming does, but I assume
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  every College in this country has done the letter and the the
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  questionnaire, whatever, whatever, whatever we're doing
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  for recruiting. He's getting everything from
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  everybody at this point. So I know.
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  Don't tell me, don't tell me. You don't hear from college
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  coaches. No, I do.
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  Well, so you want to hear the crazy thing?
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  The college coaches that I do talk to and again, because you
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  know, our program is pretty successful.
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  So I talked to college coaches, you know, probably every day
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  something or the other, right? Most of them assume he's going
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  pro, so they don't even ask me about him.
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  Like like and matter of fact, some I have a friend who a very
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  good friend of mine who's a coach at at one of the top
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  colleges. And we actually got into a
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  debate that that this coach was telling me why did like why it's
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  a waste of time and why I'm going to why he's going to
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  GoPro. And I'm like, no, like that
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  hasn't been decided yet. You know, he's just finished his
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  sophomore in high school. Like Joe, you don't understand.
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  He's going pro. I'm like, how you going to tell
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  me the kid? Like they're arguing me down.
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  I'm like OK so it was all in good fun but.
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  I mean the. The general consensus is that
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  he's going to go pro out of high school, but that's not been
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  decided. I could tell you that
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  definitively, at least not where I've been in the conversation.
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  If it's been and decided with his family and his parents
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  separately, you know, that's, that's, that's their right and
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  their that's their choice. And I fully support that.
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  But you know, I mean, you know, not a lot of colleges ask me
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  about him. Believe it or not, that's that's
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  the truth. That's the guy that I wouldn't
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  lie about. Don't need to lie about it, but
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  most just assume he's going pro and they move on to hey, well,
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  tell me about this this. I would hope, I would hope Nils
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  help. You know, again, we're talking
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  about a very small amount of people per year.
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  If even if it is all every year that I can GoPro out of high
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  school, I will. I'm hopeful that NIL helps drive
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  people still to college, whether it's for a year or two or
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  anything like that. I just think, you know, I'd love
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  to be able to root on Quincy with the you know, insert your
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  favorite school here Jersey. I'll just be neat, you know, to
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  see that. Then let him continue going pro
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  because again, he is, you know, talk about senior year.
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  He's 18 for Crown. Let him let him have some
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  college experience. So appreciate that question
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  there. Brandon Nate is starting to help
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  us bridge from the whole pro Quincy talk to more of you Joe
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  in the relationship. Nate Messner asked Quincy has
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  two more years of high school. See Nate already heard this
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  whole podcast so he knows and we'll also be getting invited to
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  big pro meets next season. Assuming he will run at high
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  school level, Assuming he will run less at the high school
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  level. Even if he doesn't, GoPro
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  Curious Joe's thoughts on that balance.
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  Also, Congrats. Hope he stays with his coach for
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  years to come if that's best. So I think the question here
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  Nate is asking here is how do you balance if he is going to be
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  invited to more bigger pro invitationals for these next two
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  years, how do you balance? There's still a job to get done
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  at the high school level. How do you balance, you know,
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  those two maybe competing priorities?
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  Yeah, Yeah. Also good question.
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  The thing with Quincy and we talked about this all to Mike,
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  we're not going to chase anybody else's plan.
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  Like we we've done well thus far doing it like our way and if
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  it's not broke, don't fix it, right.
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  So people have different, you know, opinions, people have
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  different opportunities and all that kind of things.
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  But like what we literally just had this conversation a week ago
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  like, you know, like let's stick to what we do and let's stick to
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  our plan because you know it, it kind of works, right?
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  So it doesn't mean that we don't look at other opportunities,
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  whether it be hey, go to this meet or that meet, But you know
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  what, what let's let's make sure we keep the main thing, the main
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  thing. He's he's, he's a very much a
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  team guy. So people don't realize this
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  about him. Like he's not a me first or me
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  centered individual, you know, that starts to get back with his
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  parents and they're very, their family is very tight knit, mom,
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  dad and sister and, and and grandparents, your whole mind.
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  So like, you know, he, he loves being on a team with what he
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  calls his brothers and his sisters.
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  And you know, there, there's a joy.
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  I, I literally watch him being a trackmates, like pausing his
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  warm up to cheer on his teammates on the track and
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  nationally for something like that.
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  So I think there's something to be said about that.
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  And, and when we get in this whole pro pro pro thing, like
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  that's what like what, what we want, right?
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  Or when I say we, I'm talking about the, the fans, the
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  outside, you know, we, we went, how far can he go?
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  If he does it, How can he go to that?
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  There's some things you can't put a price tag or or or or or a
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  limitation on. And I would say this, and I
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  don't know how you feel about Mike, but a lot of that happens
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  when you're doing things with your peers or your high school
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  teammates or your friends and you only get one opportunity.
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  So I don't believe in rushing anybody through that.
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  Let them enjoy it. The money will always be there.
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  The opportunities will always be there if it's something that
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  that's going to, that that's meant to be, but enjoy what
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  you're doing now because really you only get one shot at it.
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  And I, I, I love the fact that that's how he's wired and
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  centered. Does it mean we won't run a few
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  pro races? That doesn't mean that, but
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  we're not chasing that. He, he's not a cloud chaser.
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  Neither am I and, and, and, or nor is the way we develop our
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  program. We're just going to grind, work
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  at it. And then we'll look at the
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  opportunities that are before us and we'll choose the best ones
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  for him, not for what somebody else says are the best ones, the
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  ones that work with our plan. I love hearing that team first
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  attitude with him. You know, I, I got to see that
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  evidence. The body.
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  I watched his body language more than the performance at this
• 17:25
  year's pin relays. For you guys that weren't at pin
• 17:28
  relays this year, in the four by four in the qualifying, in the
• 17:30
  final, there was a bump. At his exchange where he was
• 17:33
  getting the baton, there was a bump both times.
• 17:36
  It's crazy that happened 2 times.
• 17:37
  I mean just it's crazy happens once it happens twice the the
• 17:40
  baton drops right as he's getting the baton.
• 17:43
  So he's, you know, he goes and you know, this is killer time.
• 17:46
  This is pen relays that he, you know, this ain't him just
• 17:48
  smoking everybody. There's a lot of good kids
• 17:50
  there. And so the baton drops.
• 17:52
  So he goes from, I can't remember what place you guys
• 17:53
  were in, but you know, a good position to 2030 meters behind
• 17:57
  automatically because of the baton drop.
• 18:00
  And each time there was no like I said, I watched his bite, you
• 18:05
  know, picking up the baton, then obviously his running.
• 18:08
  And then after I really focused on the after, like there was no
• 18:11
  like, I'll just say it, pissed offness.
• 18:14
  There was no shunning of teammates.
• 18:16
  Like, what are you guys doing to me?
• 18:17
  And then it happened again the finals, which then you could
• 18:19
  really be like, what are you guys?
• 18:21
  What the heck is going on here, guys?
• 18:23
  No, it was all right. Well, that's what we had to do.
• 18:25
  That's that's what I did. And I rose to the channel.
• 18:27
  I mean, it was it was cool to see that.
• 18:29
  And so it's awesome to hear that coming together as well.
• 18:32
  That paints a great picture of Quinn Quincy, the person, not
• 18:35
  just Quincy, the 44 point that's, you know, we, we get
• 18:38
  caught up in people's roles and we forget that this is a human,
• 18:41
  an individual, a 16 year old kid.
• 18:43
  So I love hearing that. So let me jump in and let me let
• 18:45
  me give you the the insight on I don't think I shared the story
• 18:48
  like what actually happened that so because you're like, see, you
• 18:52
  get the exclusive, right. So the plan at Penn Relays was
• 18:57
  to go in there and for him to run 47.
• 18:59
  We're going to crew the 47. That sounds crazy.
• 19:02
  I know some of us that's like our PRS, but we're going to
• 19:04
  cruise a 47. That was the plan.
• 19:08
  So our first leg, Alex. He he's 6 foot 2.
• 19:11
  And he they actually added an additional team to the heat,
• 19:16
  which made it even more cumbersome.
• 19:18
  So you know, Penry laces, you know, waterfall start.
• 19:20
  You have like, you know, ton of teams you're breaking for lining
• 19:23
  the out of the team, which didn't help with the traffic.
• 19:26
  He gets clipped, hits the ground stick flies somewhere he has to
• 19:31
  first of all, I want to shout him out because he has to get
• 19:34
  his wherewithal, figure out where he is, find the stick, get
• 19:38
  back up, re accelerate and get back in the race.
• 19:41
  And we were at that point in time somewhere middle of the
• 19:43
  pack. We were dead last when he gets
• 19:45
  sick. So at that point I happened to
• 19:48
  be at the finish line and he looked at me and I looked back
• 19:53
  at him and I gave him the the signal that we have like go, let
• 19:57
  it go for it. Yeah, exactly.
• 19:59
  So and he knows what it is and and he just or he just nodding
• 20:02
  his head. I'd have to say a word to it.
• 20:05
  So by the time, because again, we're we try to prepare for
• 20:09
  anything. We didn't know that would
• 20:10
  happen, but we were ready. And I didn't literally didn't
• 20:13
  have to say a word. So we're coming back in, the
• 20:15
  guys are fighting, I mean, fighting back into to get us
• 20:19
  into the race. And they did.
• 20:21
  And he got the baton like eighth, you know, And then
• 20:24
  that's where, in the words of somebody from the Tangulo stuff,
• 20:29
  the legend of Quincy Wilson began to arrive because he went
• 20:32
  out there and split 44 three when we wanted to click 45 or 47
• 20:36
  rather. So rushed him out of there
• 20:38
  because then we got a final in a couple of hours.
• 20:39
  And then, Oh my goodness, like that was not the plan.
• 20:42
  You know, he's tired now. And we know we're going to do it
• 20:44
  again because Jamaicans, what they'll do, they will they'll
• 20:47
  they'll hide legs, you know, and they'll, they'll pull it loaded
• 20:51
  in the finals. So that was part of the strategy
• 20:53
  on just having him cruise around.
• 20:54
  But, you know, I know the kid. So it was like, look, if you got
• 20:57
  to do 44 again, he'll do it. And same thing.
• 21:00
  Actually, a similar thing happened.
• 21:02
  We got flipped. One of the Jamaican teams, a guy
• 21:04
  fell in front of our guy and just our guy tumbled over him.
• 21:09
  We hit the ground again. So two times in one day, but
• 21:12
  unfortunate, but same thing. He refused to quit and I didn't
• 21:17
  have to give him a signal at that time because the final, we
• 21:20
  already know what to do. And he came out there split 44,
• 21:24
  six. We didn't win, but we got the
• 21:27
  respect, I think of the nation and, and a lot of and even
• 21:30
  internationally on which because of the fight of not just Quincy,
• 21:33
  but all the kids. Because one of the things I love
• 21:35
  about sport is you can have a great athlete, you can have
• 21:37
  Michael Jordan, but you better have a team and you guys have
• 21:40
  LeBron James better have a team and we have a team.
• 21:42
  And without that team, and at least with in respect to these
• 21:46
  relays and, and at Penn Relays in particular, there is no story
• 21:50
  of, of what Quincy Wilson knows or Bullis does.
• 21:54
  But they all do it together. And I'm so proud of all of them
• 21:57
  for their fight for each other. I got goosebumps here and you
• 22:01
  tell that story of the knot, you know, because to me, that
• 22:04
  communication, that silent communication, that is the
• 22:07
  relationship of athlete and coach.
• 22:09
  We we've we've battled before many times, not not just in
• 22:12
  meets, by the way, in practice. We have that rapport, literally
• 22:16
  just the eyes meeting each other because think about what he said
• 22:19
  there, guys, You know, Quincy gets up and sees coach lead like
• 22:23
  that's hard enough in in the mixed of, you know, a track
• 22:25
  meet, a big track meet like Penn release, but he was able to both
• 22:28
  hone each other in on their, you know, get their eye lock and
• 22:31
  then just a simple head nod and Q new immediately.
• 22:36
  What what that meant? Not if you don't know your
• 22:40
  athlete and your athlete doesn't know you, that could be the nod
• 22:42
  of like, Yep, it's OK, bro, take it easy.
• 22:44
  We don't need to kill ourselves. We'll find another race one day,
• 22:47
  You know, long term plan, like all that could be conceivable.
• 22:50
  But it was no, it was the knowledge of like, oh, OK, it's
• 22:53
  go time coach. I just love that.
• 22:55
  It gives me goosebumps that that that that relationship, that
• 22:58
  man, I love it. I love it.
• 22:58
  All right, well, Speaking of a relationship, let's keep moving
• 23:01
  on here on our questions. Keith Whitman, good friend of
• 23:03
  the Gill podcast here. His wife has been on the show,
• 23:05
  but not him. So maybe maybe he doesn't like
• 23:07
  me as much as I like him. But Keith says, and I love Keith
• 23:11
  as a coach's coach man. And Keith says, I don't have any
• 23:13
  questions, but I do admire how Joe constructed the meat
• 23:16
  schedule for Quincy high quality meats without too much meat
• 23:19
  volume. I'm convinced this was a factor
• 23:21
  in his summer of success. Well done, coach Lee.
• 23:24
  So I just, there's no question. I just wanted to make sure you
• 23:26
  knew that there are other coaches out there that are
• 23:29
  giving you and Quincy the kudos that you guys deserve.
• 23:31
  It's not all the critique that we sometimes get from social
• 23:35
  media and stuff. So I I just thought it was
• 23:36
  important for me to read. That thanks, Keith.
• 23:37
  I appreciate that. And thank you too, Mike.
• 23:40
  Yeah. And that's, that's kind of what
• 23:41
  we did. You know, we, we, we, we, we,
• 23:44
  we're in it for a long haul, not just for Quincy, but for all of
• 23:46
  our kids. You know, we, we, we
• 23:48
  particularly strategize. We, we draw out everything on
• 23:52
  our, on our annual plan where we can run our fastest when it
• 23:55
  counts most. So that's kind of what we do.
• 23:58
  And it's, it's been working. That's, you know, like what
• 24:02
  we're what we're having. So yeah, don't forget, I know
• 24:06
  Coach Lee and Bolas is getting a lot of pub and publicity, which
• 24:10
  they all deserve because of Quincy and Quincy deserves
• 24:13
  everything. He's getting positive.
• 24:16
  Do some research on bullis. This is not the one hit wonder
• 24:20
  type of thing. Now he's never we're going to be
• 24:22
  fair. Julie's never had another 44
• 24:24
  point kid in high school. That's the Unicorn here.
• 24:27
  But don't sleep. He meant what he said.
• 24:30
  College coaches are calling him every day because he's got a a
• 24:33
  stable. He does an amazing job.
• 24:35
  And that's like that's where I encourage you to go back and
• 24:36
  listen to his episode. Does a great job.
• 24:39
  And we have and we have two Olympians too.
• 24:40
  By the way, Mike, I got to give Masai Russell a shout out.
• 24:43
  Like, like, that's the crazy thing is like she's the Olympic
• 24:47
  trials champion. That's right.
• 24:48
  And in the in the forget toughest event, the toughest,
• 24:52
  there's no question we can have an argument about that.
• 24:55
  Yeah, right. So now we we won't have an
• 24:57
  argument because I'll just be quiet.
• 24:59
  It's the toughest event. The 100 meter hurdles.
• 25:01
  You got people who would have literally made the final who
• 25:05
  didn't make the team. I don't hear if they would have
• 25:08
  made the final, like 4th place is 12/3 and all that.
• 25:11
  Please, let's not have the conversation, right?
• 25:14
  Amen. So yeah.
• 25:15
  So anyway, yeah. So Chris Bowen, Chris Bowen
• 25:20
  says, and this is, I love this question because I'm like, I'm
• 25:23
  Uber curious about this too. Chris Bowen says.
• 25:25
  Describe the moment when you knew that Quincy was special.
• 25:34
  Was there a workout? Was there a meet?
• 25:36
  Was there a meeting? Where did you like oh, wait a
• 25:39
  minute, I know you know you probably had some ideas that you
• 25:41
  know the kid would be good. When did you know special?
• 25:46
  Well, I'll answer it in, in, in two parts.
• 25:48
  So number one, I'll answer it which is the most special thing
• 25:53
  about him. That's his character.
• 25:54
  Like when I first met him, which was when he was in 8th grade,
• 25:58
  his mother, people now they're hearing the story more, but
• 26:03
  it's, it's been the truth all the way through.
• 26:05
  Like we didn't recruit Quincy, Quincy's mother and and father.
• 26:08
  They're very calculated. Again, they're very tight bed
• 26:11
  family and they're they're they're they're, they're awesome
• 26:14
  people. And they do their research in
• 26:15
  their homework, super educated. So they came, mom specifically
• 26:20
  came to me and and said that, Hey, are you Coach Lee?
• 26:24
  And I'm like, yeah, what's going on?
• 26:28
  And then she shared me that she wants Prince becoming bullish.
• 26:30
  And you know, I didn't know that, you know, I I didn't know
• 26:33
  them prior to that nor that I knew that they even knew us.
• 26:36
  So when I met him, she brought him over late after she kind of
• 26:39
  did her, you know, her Mama thing, which every mom should
• 26:42
  do. You better be vetting these
• 26:43
  coaches, whether it's, you know, age group, high school, college
• 26:46
  or pro, that's your coaches goes this is your child.
• 26:49
  At the end of the day, they do not belong to the coach.
• 26:52
  They belong to your family. So anyway, that's all that.
• 26:54
  But when I met him, the same thing you all seeing on on on on
• 26:59
  camera is the same thing I saw behind the scenes.
• 27:02
  Yes, Sir, no, Sir, thank you, Sir.
• 27:06
  Look me in the eye, huge smile. What's your GPA 4 point O Sir.
• 27:11
  I mean like that sounds like this kid is pretty special
• 27:14
  because when you blend that with what you're already seeing on
• 27:17
  the track, like that's that that's rare.
• 27:19
  That's rare air that you have the the academic performance,
• 27:24
  the athletic success and the character where you're like,
• 27:29
  wow, this kid is is something special.
• 27:30
  So that's why I first knew him special as an individual, as a
• 27:32
  human being. As far as with respect to his
• 27:39
  athletic success, Gosh, the choose one, I would probably
• 27:44
  say. So freshman year I play
• 27:47
  football, right? And yeah, yeah, most people
• 27:50
  don't know he played football and he actually was very good.
• 27:52
  And he's very he he was a baller because the same mindset he has
• 27:56
  a little track, it's the same mindset that he took it onto the
• 27:58
  football field. Now again, at 130 lbs, like,
• 28:04
  dude, like you might want to slow down a little bit.
• 28:06
  He knows. You better be fast.
• 28:08
  Yeah exactly. And and he only knows 1 speed.
• 28:11
  So, so he, we, we always make our kids, if they play football
• 28:17
  here, take three weeks off, like no exception, like you have to
• 28:21
  take a break or in any sport in the fall.
• 28:24
  So when he came out, you know, he was just, he was not, he
• 28:28
  didn't, he wasn't in any kind of shape because he got injured a
• 28:30
  little bit early. So he had to end his football
• 28:32
  season sooner than anticipated. Then we still made him take the
• 28:35
  break. And then he actually got sick.
• 28:37
  I believe I'm not mistaken. Mama probably told me what
• 28:40
  happened. I think it's something was going
• 28:42
  on. So he had just a lot of time off
• 28:45
  and he's out of shape. He's not playing football, he's
• 28:47
  not training with me, he's sick, he's not doing anything for a
• 28:51
  good month, month and 1/2 he finally comes up to practice and
• 28:56
  he the first workout he's giving him, he had and he's passing
• 28:59
  out. He's going up, he's getting up,
• 29:02
  falling back. I don't even literally pass.
• 29:03
  I'm falling down and getting back.
• 29:04
  I'm like this kid, just there's something about that he just
• 29:07
  won't quit. And at the end of the practice,
• 29:10
  like, I'm sorry, Sir, I'll do better, I'll get better.
• 29:13
  I'll be better next time. So you better.
• 29:17
  I'm like, dude, I I wouldn't have got backed off at the first
• 29:19
  one because I'm like, we are, you know, we, we are notorious
• 29:23
  for, for getting the work in. So that's probably when I knew
• 29:27
  he was special. And then I would say the first
• 29:29
  time we're just, it really hit me, hit me.
• 29:32
  It has to be. It's still probably my favorite
• 29:34
  race of his. It's got to be the New Balance
• 29:38
  nationals from 2023 is freshman year.
• 29:42
  I mean, again, the, the guys who were supposed to win it, one guy
• 29:46
  was US in the three all time, except the other guy was like US
• 29:50
  top ten all time. And then there's this little
• 29:52
  freshman and they go out there in that race, they're just going
• 29:55
  out these two heavyweights, boom, boom, boom.
• 29:57
  And then 20 meters behind you see the little freshman.
• 30:01
  And then what about 150 meters ago, the little freshman started
• 30:06
  to close the gap a little bit. And you know, it's like, oh,
• 30:07
  that's nice, that's cute. He's going to be, you know, he's
• 30:09
  going to be in the frame, right? Because he wasn't in the frame
• 30:12
  before then. And before you know it, this
• 30:15
  little joker starts to close with 100 meters to go and the
• 30:19
  crowd goes berserk. And I'm going berserk too.
• 30:24
  I'm like, Oh my God, come on, come on, come on.
• 30:27
  And by the time he gets on a straightaway, everybody's losing
• 30:30
  their mind and he is running past these dudes, crosses the
• 30:34
  finish line. They have, which I love a ton of
• 30:36
  things, but new dogs, they do like the pyrotechnics and all
• 30:40
  that, like the sparklers in the air.
• 30:42
  He's going through that, crashes through the finish line,
• 30:45
  everybody goes nuts. I started running at that time.
• 30:48
  I had an injury, which he makes fun of me about.
• 30:51
  It's literally the first time I ran in like a year because my
• 30:55
  leg and my hip were messed up. And I remember just losing my
• 31:00
  mind and I'm looking at him and I, I got to him and he crossed
• 31:04
  the line, the finish line like this.
• 31:07
  He had a look on his face like, Oh yeah, I didn't know.
• 31:10
  I didn't know what's going to happen.
• 31:11
  He wasn't like, Oh my gosh, I won.
• 31:13
  I can like, look, he had this look like, you know, this is I'm
• 31:17
  here. And that's what I needed a
• 31:21
  special competitively. But the other two matter just as
• 31:25
  much in my world, and we're having a great time.
• 31:28
  That's cool, man. I love that.
• 31:29
  I do. I tell you what, guys, if you're
• 31:31
  listening, if you have listened to Joe Lee's episode, what?
• 31:36
  I appreciate Joe and I expected this, but you never know a lot
• 31:40
  of consistency from you, my friend, in regards to what's
• 31:44
  important to you, what's important to you, the program,
• 31:46
  how you lead that program. So I appreciate hearing that.
• 31:48
  It's very easy to get caught up. You know, we were talking before
• 31:51
  we hit record about, you know, if, if Joe or I had run what
• 31:54
  Quincy's run at that age, like, you know, you couldn't talk to
• 31:56
  me about 16 running, that's 26 running with Quincy runs.
• 32:01
  You know, you wouldn't be able to talk to my head would be
• 32:02
  bigger than I'll get out. And so it's it, you know, we
• 32:06
  forget sometimes. Again, we're humans.
• 32:07
  There's a human behind Quincy coaching him.
• 32:09
  It's really easy for Joe right now.
• 32:11
  It's really easy for you, Joe, to be like, hey, man, you can't
• 32:13
  say nothing to me. Look what I'm producing.
• 32:15
  You ain't produce that, you know, like you could get the big
• 32:17
  head. So I do appreciate the
• 32:19
  consistency of like here are the values and morals that matter in
• 32:22
  our program. And if God give you the talent,
• 32:25
  then you'll run super fast because the, the coaching is
• 32:27
  going to be there. But you know, you got to have
• 32:28
  the, I can't give you the, the genetic talent that comes from
• 32:31
  your parents, but I can give you the leadership and I can give
• 32:34
  you the training and the leadership of grades and morals
• 32:38
  and ethics and things like that. So I appreciate that
• 32:41
  consistency. Joe just kind of hit me as like,
• 32:42
  man, I've, I've heard the same line before.
• 32:46
  And that's a good thing. You know, in this case, I
• 32:48
  appreciate hearing that. OK, last question about you and
• 32:53
  really this is all about you chapter Nichols over at Twitter
• 32:56
  says. Would you?
• 32:57
  Ever. Would you ever consider taking
• 33:01
  your coaching to the collegiate level?
• 33:04
  Now that's an interesting question and I say that because
• 33:09
  I think it gives a little bit of an air of that college is better
• 33:12
  than high school coaching. So my, you know, if you know me
• 33:15
  and my consistency here real quick, that is not true.
• 33:18
  It is a it is a different level and comes with different things.
• 33:21
  And you know, I still say to this day, let's not sleep on our
• 33:25
  high school coaches. Not only are they coaching and
• 33:26
  producing kids like Quincy and there's many other great
• 33:29
  athletes out there as well in the high school level, they're
• 33:31
  also teaching and working and having relationship and family
• 33:35
  like we're not, they're not 24/7 doing this and look what they're
• 33:38
  doing. So, So what do you think?
• 33:40
  What, what, what's chapter here? He says you, you think about
• 33:43
  going to college, you're going to you're going to let Quincy go
• 33:45
  on his own for the next two years and you're going to go
• 33:47
  start coaching college. No, that's definitely not the
• 33:51
  plan. I will say this, though, and
• 33:53
  I'll tag along with your, your sentiment about, you know, the
• 33:56
  perception of high school coaches versus college and even
• 33:59
  pros. I think you have to, you have to
• 34:03
  like specify the individual as opposed to painting everybody
• 34:07
  with such a broad brush on both sides.
• 34:10
  I think there's some really great college coaches or
• 34:15
  assuming high school coaches and there's some not so great high
• 34:18
  school coaches. You know, there's some really
• 34:19
  great college coaches, not so great and everybody.
• 34:21
  So everybody is different. So just to say, well, you're a
• 34:23
  high school coach, you know, you're, you know, go do
• 34:27
  something better than coaching high school.
• 34:28
  Well, I think we're coaching human beings at the end of the
• 34:31
  day, we're coaching people. So let's, let's, let's take all
• 34:34
  the, the labels and the, you know, the, the sentiments, all
• 34:37
  of it. Let's just deal with, can you
• 34:39
  communicate effectively to people so that they can achieve
• 34:44
  their goals and dreams? Right.
• 34:46
  And communication has to do with a couple things, obviously #1
• 34:49
  knowing what you're talking about, right?
• 34:52
  You got to know what you're talking about.
• 34:53
  Do I understand the subject matter #2 do I understand the,
• 34:59
  the, the person that I'm communicating to?
• 35:01
  Do do I know the person like? So much of coaching.
• 35:04
  Is about if they say it's, it's more about the Jane James and
• 35:08
  Joe's and the XS and OS. Like that's what it is like.
• 35:11
  I wish coaches would get that. You know, the old adage that
• 35:15
  people don't care how much you know to they know how much you
• 35:18
  care. Like that matter.
• 35:20
  That's coaching. It's, it's, it's, it's, it's
• 35:22
  leadership, it's mentorship, it's influence.
• 35:24
  It's, it's collaboration. I'm very big on collaboration
• 35:28
  with, with our athletes here. You know, especially once they
• 35:30
  get like they, they, they, they get it, they figure it out.
• 35:34
  Typically, typically that happens around junior year, but
• 35:37
  sometimes earlier in quiz in case it happened earlier, you
• 35:39
  know, others has happened earlier as well.
• 35:41
  You know, we'll, we'll start to have conversations.
• 35:43
  I'm not telling you what to do. I'm talking about what we're
• 35:46
  going to do. I'm getting your input.
• 35:49
  So, so you know, the, the whole notion that, you know, high
• 35:51
  schools are leveled down. Well, it depends on who you are
• 35:54
  and how you, how you move. You know, I don't see myself as
• 35:58
  any better or I'm not a better coach.
• 36:01
  I'm not a lesser coach than, you know, Mike Holloway at, at, at
• 36:06
  Florida. And I'm not saying I'm, I'm not
• 36:08
  saying I'm not trying to put myself against him.
• 36:10
  I'm saying I'm not going to put myself down and say, well, I'm
• 36:12
  not as good as him and he's not a good.
• 36:15
  We're both coaches. We're just doing it in different
• 36:17
  places. You know, same thing as a pro
• 36:19
  coach and, and, or whatever. So I guess my point is it's
• 36:23
  really about, you know, where you choose to just spend your
• 36:26
  energy. You know, I love to spend my
• 36:28
  energy with young people, with teenagers.
• 36:31
  Have I gotten offers to, you know, coaching college?
• 36:34
  Yes, of course. And there are rumors about, you
• 36:36
  know, are you going to do this, going to do that?
• 36:38
  I just love this aid demographic.
• 36:41
  Now, interesting enough is, you know, we're we're looking at
• 36:44
  doing some things and there's some people who we have a
• 36:47
  relationship with that may come in and do some training with us,
• 36:51
  you know, in the coming year and they're they have pro
• 36:54
  aspiration, stuff like that, But I see no different like like I'm
• 36:57
  not like smarter now I don't have that Quincy around 44 five
• 37:02
  or maybe I'm Dumber. I don't know.
• 37:04
  But the bottom line is it's it's just people are noticing like,
• 37:07
  oh wow, this can happen at this level, this as well as can
• 37:11
  happen at the next level. Again, yes, Have I coached 44
• 37:16
  five athletes before? No, if I tell you what I have,
• 37:20
  I've coached athletes like Morgan Rothwell who went 60
• 37:23
  point as a 9th grader who's now running 53 as a a junior.
• 37:29
  So so it's about progression. Can you help develop talent OR
• 37:33
  you do you just manage. And if you manage talent, I
• 37:36
  don't care if you're a college coach, a high school coach or a
• 37:38
  pro. I think you're limiting your
• 37:40
  ability to make an impact and that athletes ability to get
• 37:44
  their job done. So it's our job as coaches
• 37:46
  holistically, wherever you are, give everything you have.
• 37:50
  And then if the high school coach, if your high school, like
• 37:52
  again, Audrey Wilson never left a high school coach.
• 37:54
  You know, others, you know, leave and go to college.
• 37:57
  It doesn't matter. But give everything where you
• 37:58
  are and appreciate, like, really like, appreciate where you are.
• 38:03
  Because, you know, I think one of the things that high school
• 38:08
  coaching does is it gives you a chance to continue to finish
• 38:11
  that developmental process that's happening in the lives of
• 38:15
  young people that all think it's overlooked.
• 38:17
  Be where your feet are. Yeah, that's what I heard you
• 38:20
  say right there. You know, appreciate what you're
• 38:22
  doing. And again, maybe society says if
• 38:26
  you're a college coach, you're air quotes a better person than
• 38:29
  a high school coach. I think it's malarkey because
• 38:31
  again, from 14 to 22 years old, that's what we're dealing with.
• 38:35
  High school and college primarily, you are positively
• 38:38
  affecting young people. And 99% of them now Joe's got
• 38:42
  one of the one percenters here, the 1% of the one percenters
• 38:44
  that will go on to college and probably go on pro.
• 38:48
  But but the vast majority of kids we're coaching aren't.
• 38:50
  But they are all going to go become moms and dads and
• 38:53
  business owners and teachers and coaches.
• 38:55
  And that is the impact that you guys and gals out there are
• 38:58
  making. So I appreciate that.
• 38:59
  That was a really good question that led to an awesome answer.
• 39:02
  I appreciate that, Joe. All right.
• 39:04
  I couldn't, I couldn't tell from this next individual's question
• 39:08
  if you know her or not. But she is a fellow George Mason
• 39:13
  alum, so I couldn't. But I couldn't tell if you all
• 39:14
  maybe were on the team. Sharon Allen.
• 39:16
  Does that name ring A? Bell at all OK.
• 39:19
  So Sharon said, well, I'm a fellow George Mason alum, so she
• 39:23
  knew a little bit about Joe here.
• 39:24
  She says Quincy is always race ready.
• 39:27
  What mental We're going to start working on the some of the
• 39:29
  mental side questions here. What mental work do you include
• 39:32
  in his daily preparation and how important is the mental prep
• 39:36
  when developing an athlete at this young age and slash level?
• 39:40
  So what mental work do you include in daily preparation and
• 39:42
  how important is that mental prep for a kid like this?
• 39:47
  Well, it wasn't when I was at Howard.
• 39:49
  We had our coach there. Sharon and I didn't share this
• 39:53
  because we shared coaches at George Mason, but our coach is
• 39:57
  to say all the time on track of 85% mental.
• 40:00
  And I was like, what are you talking about?
• 40:01
  Like this is physical, man, come on, we're getting after.
• 40:03
  We're just athletes and we, we got to have our bodies ready
• 40:06
  and, you know, all this other kind of stuff.
• 40:08
  But I, I believe that now it may be more, it may be 90%.
• 40:14
  You know, it's that kind of adage that, you know, if you
• 40:17
  believe you can and you believe you can't, you know, both of
• 40:19
  those are right. Which one?
• 40:21
  Which one are you? You know, and so one of the
• 40:26
  things that I have, one of the ways that I approach this sport
• 40:29
  is I heard this quote earlier, like he's just pulling quotes
• 40:32
  and stuff. Like I just love quotes like,
• 40:33
  because they're they're kind of get captured, you know, and
• 40:36
  little sound bites, you take them with you and climb a light.
• 40:40
  So I believe it's Kobe who said, you know, good players want to
• 40:44
  be coached. Great players want to be told
• 40:46
  the truth, right? So I tell, I tell them the
• 40:50
  truth. Quincy and I had training
• 40:52
  yesterday. I told him the truth about what
• 40:54
  I felt about the workout that we did four days ago, OK.
• 40:58
  And because I told him the truth, I said, OK, now you know
• 41:01
  what I want. And he went out there, he
• 41:03
  mailed, he chose it yesterday in practice, you know, hitting our
• 41:08
  numbers and, and even exceeding some in some cases.
• 41:11
  So, and that's what that I believe that that that sets the
• 41:15
  stage because if, if I can continue to prepare you, there's
• 41:19
  never pressure. We say that a lot.
• 41:21
  There's never pressure to be prepared.
• 41:24
  But how can I, how can I prepare you if I don't tell you what
• 41:28
  you're really up against? Because if I hold back and I
• 41:32
  say, well, you know, well, it's OK.
• 41:34
  And, and I know I tell my kids all the time.
• 41:36
  I was like, look, I got to tell you the truth now.
• 41:39
  So you, there's no culture shock when it gets there or, or when
• 41:42
  you, when you, when you arrive, I got to tell you like like
• 41:45
  they're, they're coming to knock your heads off.
• 41:47
  So what are you going to do about it?
• 41:49
  You say you're going to half drill, you're going to play
• 41:51
  around, you're going to be late, you're going to, you know, give
• 41:53
  give 3/4 effort. OK, I'm but I'm going to tell
• 41:56
  you can do that because we don't run a dictatorship here.
• 41:59
  But believe it or not, we joke around and have more fun than, I
• 42:03
  don't know a team that has more fun.
• 42:04
  I'm sure they're out there, but I only know my team still a lot
• 42:07
  of fun when it's time to get after we get after it.
• 42:09
  And I, I, I tell them the truth. So if, if, if your reps are off,
• 42:13
  I'm going to tell you that. So you got to now what you're
• 42:17
  going to do with it, you've got to deal with it.
• 42:19
  And then I'll work with you in it.
• 42:21
  But at the end of the day, it's up to the athlete to say, am I
• 42:24
  going to face this or am I going to run the out of the direction
• 42:29
  and pretend it doesn't exist? So I you know, when you talk
• 42:34
  about mental preparation and mindset, I believe that if you
• 42:38
  represent the realities of the situation and even sometimes
• 42:41
  like stare into it, like looking like don't like hide from it.
• 42:46
  Yeah, this is going to hurt the 400.
• 42:49
  You're going to hurt. Let's admit that.
• 42:52
  But let's hold on. The whole thing doesn't hurt.
• 42:56
  So it's not people look at the court like, oh, it's going to
• 42:58
  hurt. It's going to, yeah, it's going
• 42:59
  to. So I told them, like, this is
• 43:00
  going to hurt. This is going to suck.
• 43:02
  You're going to want to quit. But if you don't, what can
• 43:06
  happen now? Now, do you want to be the one
• 43:09
  who runs away from that or do you want to run into the
• 43:11
  opportunity knowing that it's going to hurt, but you'll get
• 43:13
  something that most people will never achieve?
• 43:15
  Which one you want? All right, well, that's the one
• 43:17
  you choose. Then let's go.
• 43:19
  So that's just that's constant with us.
• 43:22
  You know, sometimes I'm not always saying it in those voice
• 43:26
  tones. You know, sometimes you have to
• 43:27
  be elevated or something quiet. You know, that's part of
• 43:29
  coaching though, you know, and and and you know, that I think
• 43:33
  develops mindsets in our kids. And if you see our boys and
• 43:36
  girls again, our girls, we we ran 332, broke the national
• 43:40
  record by three records and it by three seconds.
• 43:42
  And it wasn't even our our fully loaded a squad.
• 43:45
  You know, we came in second to my third and played an amazing,
• 43:49
  but like, we asked somebody to come in, two people to come in.
• 43:52
  OK, they weren't starters, so to speak, all right?
• 43:55
  They weren't, they weren't blinking an eye because they
• 43:58
  weren't scared. Because we prepare in practice.
• 44:02
  All practice does, excuse me, all meets those is reveal what
• 44:05
  happened in practice. We know that.
• 44:07
  So mindset starts with conversations like that, with
• 44:10
  sharing the truth. And then what can we do about
• 44:13
  what we see? You know, I appreciate you're in
• 44:15
  a very unique situation, one that you don't have a lot of
• 44:19
  peers to go bounce ideas off of in regards to not, not just the,
• 44:23
  you know, I'm training at 44 second, but I'm in high school
• 44:26
  coaching. You know, this is a kind of a
• 44:27
  unique territory here and you know, we all have our
• 44:30
  insecurities in different parts of our lives.
• 44:32
  I appreciate that you you don't appear to be shrinking to
• 44:35
  imposter syndrome and you know, you got this * athlete and I
• 44:39
  could easily say, well, I don't want to lose them.
• 44:41
  You know, it could, could, could leave you any you know, whether
• 44:43
  it's pro or another high school, etcetera.
• 44:45
  And so there's, you know, a response could be, hey, what do
• 44:49
  you want to do today, Quincy? Let's make sure you stay happy.
• 44:52
  But I love how you still stay committed to, hey, to be the
• 44:55
  coach, I have to be truthful to you.
• 44:57
  And that means there's going to be times where the reps weren't
• 45:00
  good or what, And I have to be truthful to you so that you can
• 45:03
  lean into us. I really appreciate hearing
• 45:04
  that. The other thing is one of the
• 45:05
  most commented on scenes in the new Netflix series Sprint was
• 45:10
  Dennis when he was talking to Shakiri.
• 45:13
  And you know, he's like, hey, I got a question for you and I
• 45:15
  don't want you to answer it. I want you to show me on the
• 45:17
  track. And he's like, who's the
• 45:18
  fastest? And you know, someone on on
• 45:20
  social said, oh, they gave me goosebumps to see that behind
• 45:22
  it. Like we never, you know, unless
• 45:23
  you're Dennis or Shakiri, you don't ever see that.
• 45:27
  I just when you were talking about, hey, I'm a looking and I
• 45:30
  tell you, yeah, it's going to hurt in the 400 and if you don't
• 45:33
  quit, what can happen? It kind of gave me goosebumps
• 45:37
  and that, you know, it just makes me think like, hey,
• 45:38
  Netflix, you got a pretty unique situation here.
• 45:41
  Kids got two more years of high school.
• 45:43
  Maybe we need a a high school version of this as well.
• 45:46
  Just saying, just saying, just saying.
• 45:49
  All right, so this next question, I was a little
• 45:51
  concerned on this next question, but they they saved themselves,
• 45:55
  if you will. So Mike Kelly, he starts out by
• 45:59
  saying, hey, you can't spell culture without the word cult,
• 46:02
  which that is true for a lot of reasons.
• 46:04
  And so I was a little worried like, oh man, what's he getting
• 46:06
  into? But then he he starts climbing
• 46:08
  himself out. He says the bullish program is
• 46:09
  definitely and he all capitalized.
• 46:11
  Not definitely not a cult. Therefore, and I think this is a
• 46:14
  great question. My question is, how are you,
• 46:17
  Joe, able to balance such high expectations from and for the
• 46:22
  kids while still making sure that the kids feel like kids?
• 46:25
  We are dealing with 16/14/17 year old kids.
• 46:29
  How do you balance? Hey, we want to go out and win
• 46:32
  pen relays and set national records, but you're probably
• 46:35
  still watching Yu-gi-oh or whatever the kids are watching
• 46:38
  these days. And, you know, I have no idea
• 46:41
  what they're watching. And every time I try to figure
• 46:42
  it out, it's just something even more weird.
• 46:45
  You know the anime stuff. I don't get that stuff at all.
• 46:48
  God bless Noah that he's embodied this thing.
• 46:50
  A lot of other spread. I have no understanding of it at
• 46:53
  all. He you know, so, so The funny
• 46:56
  thing is we had a kid, Aiden Mcduffie, who won the national
• 46:59
  championship in the 200. So they invited him and Noah to
• 47:02
  hang out. And I've known Noah for a while,
• 47:04
  since he was a kid. And anime, they they had this
• 47:08
  nerdiest anime conversation in the history of life.
• 47:12
  I'm like, what? Y'all stop.
• 47:14
  This is just and they're like, yeah, and it's you know who this
• 47:16
  I can't even name the name. Anyway, I don't know what they
• 47:19
  do, what they're, what they're talking about, but hey, it works
• 47:23
  for them. It works and and it's all good.
• 47:27
  See, I'm getting into that. I didn't remember the question.
• 47:29
  So how do you, how do you balance such high expectations
• 47:33
  for you and the program from and for the kids while still making
• 47:36
  sure the kids feel like kids? So how are you, you know,
• 47:39
  setting these big goals but yet they're still kids?
• 47:42
  How do you balance that? So I'll go.
• 47:45
  In that in that Aiden example, and I appreciate you you re
• 47:48
  centered me. You know some of my my work
• 47:51
  here. So I'll do the squirrel thing.
• 47:56
  The so when we were walking to the national final walking
• 48:01
  towards the check in air for the national final and again, no one
• 48:04
  knew him. He wasn't on anybody's radar.
• 48:06
  It's probably one of the most proud accomplishments coaching
• 48:09
  life. I feel that this kid came out of
• 48:11
  nowhere and he beat the big names and won the national title
• 48:15
  and he'll go forever in history at our school and and and high
• 48:19
  school track, as you know, doing that from lane 9.
• 48:22
  So we're walking up to the stage and I'm like, OK, how can I
• 48:25
  continue to build, you know, a relationship with a kid who, you
• 48:28
  know, I actually love like a son.
• 48:30
  And I was like, all right, let me just start talking anime.
• 48:35
  So I was like, all right, what's your favorite anime character?
• 48:37
  He's like, really coach me. You really want to know that?
• 48:40
  Yeah. Come on.
• 48:40
  Tell me. He's like, well, they.
• 48:42
  I don't remember what they do. I was like, all right, great.
• 48:46
  All right, that's enough. OK.
• 48:47
  I want you to do because he's really getting into all that.
• 48:49
  We got to reach one. I was like, I want you to count
• 48:51
  on your inner whatever that person's name and get rid of
• 48:54
  that character's name. And I want you to just to go and
• 48:57
  just have that. And we had a great time.
• 48:59
  So, I mean, answered question. I try to take the pressure off
• 49:03
  of our kids and, and, and just help them realize that, you
• 49:06
  know, you're here this to have fun at the end of the day, let's
• 49:08
  have fun. I probably take more of that
• 49:11
  pressure on myself than anything because I'm, I'm very hard on
• 49:14
  myself, especially when an athlete want to achieve their
• 49:17
  goals. They're always theirs.
• 49:18
  They're not mine. So I, I take it, to be honest,
• 49:23
  I, I do take it way, way harder. I'm like, what could you have
• 49:26
  done? Definitely to help them more?
• 49:29
  But yeah, that's, that's one thing.
• 49:32
  The other thing is, believe it or not, like all the
• 49:34
  expectations and the things that people have, like we just, we
• 49:38
  really don't care. We say anything that happens
• 49:42
  inside of this circle matters. Everything that happens outside
• 49:47
  this circle is just opinion. And people are well within their
• 49:52
  right to have their opinion. Like you can have it, but you're
• 49:56
  outside the circle. Like inside the circle is what
• 49:59
  matters. In other words, like we can do
• 50:01
  something about it. All right, great.
• 50:03
  You didn't hit your number. You, you didn't run your PR
• 50:07
  today. You ran a second slower than
• 50:09
  you. Were in last week.
• 50:11
  I don't care what they say about it on social media because
• 50:14
  that's an opinion. What we do in this circle, the
• 50:19
  coaches, your training partners, your teammates, your, your,
• 50:23
  your, your, your parents. Like we can do something about
• 50:27
  it. And even in the parent piece, I
• 50:28
  got to be careful there. Like the parents at Bullets.
• 50:32
  One thing I love is they give the kids over to us and say,
• 50:35
  hey, we're up here in the stands, we're cheering, we'll
• 50:38
  have conversations. We need to be.
• 50:40
  But they give us the they entrust us with their kids so
• 50:44
  that we work those challenges out from our expertise and
• 50:50
  theirs where we don't have to worry about.
• 50:54
  OK, now I got to, you know, have another issue.
• 50:56
  No problem. Because, you know, dad says
• 50:58
  you'd be done this way, mom should be done this way and the
• 50:59
  kids said you'd be done this way.
• 51:00
  And the coach said that's what it adds more confusion and it
• 51:03
  hurts the kid at the end of the day.
• 51:05
  So our parents are are really supportive in that right of, of
• 51:08
  letting go and, and and letting us do our job.
• 51:11
  So when we do that, when we stay inside our circle, I'm very
• 51:15
  protective of that circle. Sometimes, I'll be honest, there
• 51:18
  are times where I'll say, get off social media.
• 51:20
  There were sometimes where even parents, I mean, there have been
• 51:22
  times where where I know Quincy's parents like get off
• 51:25
  social media just because, you know, there are a lot of kind
• 51:28
  people and, and nice people. But every now and then there's
• 51:30
  some nut that's just said some things that just are just
• 51:35
  ridiculously unkind and unfair. Like you don't want those
• 51:38
  opinions to start to try to seep into, into the into the circle.
• 51:46
  So we we keep it out of there and we keep it fun.
• 51:50
  And at the end of the day, it's on me.
• 51:51
  I put it on me. If it doesn't go right, it's on
• 51:54
  me. If it does go right, start you
• 51:56
  out. You did your job and I'm proud
• 51:58
  of you. I love the example of getting to
• 52:01
  know the kids on their levels, you know, talking about that
• 52:03
  anime stuff because you know, we do sound a little bit like 2 old
• 52:05
  men because we're like, oh, it's anime.
• 52:06
  I don't even know the name of it now, and I'm sure I pronounced
• 52:08
  Yu-gi-oh or whatever. I don't incorrectly.
• 52:10
  I don't know, but I do. Like that to me.
• 52:12
  Even though you don't know it or even care for it.
• 52:15
  OK, I know he does, so I'll just ask him about it.
• 52:18
  And that kid to your point where he's like, whoa, no, we like,
• 52:21
  you really want to know like, you know, only my friends, like
• 52:23
  no other adults or teachers asked me about this stuff.
• 52:25
  So I think you know what the kids are into or what the kids
• 52:28
  into. So you don't have to, it doesn't
• 52:30
  have to become your thing. I think you just have to ask
• 52:32
  questions. Oh, really?
• 52:33
  You like that? Why is that?
• 52:34
  Which one's your favorite? Why so?
• 52:37
  And that kid that you show you care for that it's not just, oh,
• 52:41
  what, what are you running for me today?
• 52:42
  I care about you, the person. So I thought that was a really
• 52:44
  good example. Mike Kelly actually, you know,
• 52:46
  he redeemed himself. So he actually got two questions
• 52:49
  in here. He says this past this past
• 52:51
  winter, I watched Bullis attempt a four by eight national record.
• 52:54
  And while I wish my 4 by 8, four by eight could run 750 indoors,
• 52:57
  it was obvious Bullis was disappointed.
• 53:00
  How do you temper expectations when things don't work out?
• 53:03
  And how do you use the bad days as a learning curve?
• 53:08
  Yeah, I don't believe you temper them.
• 53:11
  I believe you. You.
• 53:11
  You. You there's a model, one of my
• 53:14
  life models is expect the best, prepare for the worst and accept
• 53:18
  what comes right. So and accepted what comes like
• 53:22
  if we set a goal and we don't achieve it, like deal with it.
• 53:25
  Let's talk about let's unpack that.
• 53:27
  Like don't cover it up on the to the opposite of that cause
• 53:31
  unpacking. Let's talk about the whys and
• 53:33
  the what's in the hows. That's the only way you'll
• 53:35
  learn. Like I love the, the, the phrase
• 53:39
  you win and you learn, you never lose.
• 53:41
  So we're, we're, we're learning, but we're not going to, I'm not
• 53:44
  going to lean away from it because I'm afraid of what it's
• 53:46
  going to tell me. I'm, I'm going to lean into it
• 53:50
  because, because again, whatever it is that you're doing,
• 53:52
  whatever, whatever failure, quote UN quote, and I don't
• 53:55
  believe in the word failure or you can consider yourself
• 53:58
  failing forward, I guess is the way some people put it,
• 54:00
  whatever. There are lessons in there like
• 54:03
  lean into it and and and find them, you know, because if you
• 54:08
  don't, you're, you're, you're bound to repeat the same things
• 54:13
  for the same mistakes. So when we did that, yeah, we,
• 54:17
  we wanted to break the national record.
• 54:18
  Now, my distance college Procera was like, Carl straight.
• 54:22
  Can you not say that stuff to this to the press?
• 54:24
  I'm like, my bad. They asked me.
• 54:28
  Yeah, I believe we can break the national record, you know, and
• 54:31
  I'm going to say it on record again.
• 54:32
  She's going to get mad at me. I believe we can break it again
• 54:34
  next year. And and since he played it
• 54:37
  because again, he didn't he didn't run his best way to talk
• 54:40
  about it on that particular day, but then he went outdoors and
• 54:43
  ran 150 conservatively. I will tell you he can run a lot
• 54:47
  faster in my opinion, I guess than 150.
• 54:53
  So like, yeah, we can break the four eight, I believe not.
• 54:55
  Are we going to I'm not calling it like, you know, Babe Ruth
• 54:59
  pointed to the stands, but I'm saying I think we can.
• 55:04
  And if that's something that we're going to go after, if
• 55:05
  we're going to like, if we're going to say we're going to do
• 55:08
  it. What I try to get our athletes
• 55:09
  to understand is this like, don't be afraid of the numbers
• 55:12
  #1 OK. And don't be afraid to say what
• 55:15
  you really want, if you really want it.
• 55:19
  And you and, and, and, and, and you really give your everything
• 55:22
  into it. Like, like again, we ran 332.
• 55:26
  The boys ran three O 9. Like we didn't.
• 55:29
  Well, the boys came in first, the girls came in second.
• 55:31
  We didn't lose. Don't be afraid of that.
• 55:34
  So just lean into it, learn the lessons and forget the details,
• 55:39
  that kind of thing. So yeah, our culture is a little
• 55:43
  different in that we're not afraid to go after it.
• 55:46
  We're not afraid to miss the mark, but we're also not afraid
• 55:50
  to look at what we missed in the process, go figure it out and
• 55:55
  get it better the next go round. I love that, I love that, Ben
• 55:59
  Nicholas Podcast alum asked. Do you ever feel pressure
• 56:04
  knowing that you have this once in a lifetime athlete who is
• 56:06
  still a child in your care? And if so, how do you handle
• 56:09
  that pressure? I don't feel pressure from
• 56:14
  anybody coaching him. I really don't.
• 56:18
  I feel responsibility, right? So, and my responsibility is is
• 56:23
  first to him. Like if he's going to give his
• 56:27
  everything, you don't you believe I'm going to give my
• 56:29
  everything to I'm never going to under give to what an athlete
• 56:38
  will first give to me. Like I'm not going to allow
• 56:41
  somebody to give 10 and I'm giving nine.
• 56:44
  I'm just not going to do it now. That mean if you give me 4, I'm
• 56:47
  not going to give you 5. I'm still going to give you 10.
• 56:50
  But but Grinsey gives me 10. So guess what?
• 56:56
  I feel a burden of responsibility to give him 10
• 56:59
  back. You know, it comes to a lot of
• 57:02
  work because he makes me work. I said it in another interview
• 57:08
  like he makes me work. I don't mean it like in a bad
• 57:09
  way, but I mean like he challenges me just because he's
• 57:14
  so hungry. Like I'm sitting, I'm a numbers
• 57:17
  guy and he's a numbers kid. So we're almost like this kind
• 57:21
  of like this perfect match because he's very driven.
• 57:26
  I'm very driven. He's very analytical.
• 57:29
  I'm very analytical. He does not like to lose.
• 57:32
  I did not like to lose. But we also understand that it's
• 57:36
  not, we're not winning all calls.
• 57:40
  So, you know, we, we, how we, we, we vibe together.
• 57:44
  It's obviously I got years on them, so I'm ahead.
• 57:47
  So I have to lead him and I have to also lead him in places that
• 57:52
  will avoid the mistakes that I've made when I was his age and
• 57:56
  you know, 10 years, 20 years down the road or whatever.
• 57:59
  So I feel responsible. I don't feel pressured at all.
• 58:03
  I feel responsible to give him my everything.
• 58:06
  Now it just so happens that the entire world's watching.
• 58:12
  You got to know me. You know me.
• 58:14
  Don't care like, but again, like I was visibly emotional after
• 58:21
  the, the final, not because I feel like we failed because we
• 58:29
  didn't, but I was like, where could I have gotten it right for
• 58:33
  him more for him, not for NBC or the cameras or for the, you
• 58:40
  know, the prognosticators like for him.
• 58:45
  And that, that eats at me. And, and we talked about it.
• 58:47
  We trust me. We have reviewed that race a
• 58:49
  lot. And, and when 44 dying is your
• 58:52
  worst, you're having a pretty good run.
• 58:55
  And, and we're going to fix some things because the beauty of
• 58:57
  this is this, it's like we were there a year ago at U20.
• 59:01
  Then he made a, a, a, a tactical error And, and we, we, we didn't
• 59:06
  run our best. So this year we made another
• 59:09
  tactical error and we didn't run our best.
• 59:12
  They'll go anyway till next year.
• 59:16
  Yeah, well, we may, we may, we probably will because again, no
• 59:19
  one's expecting perfection. But I'm saying like he, he went
• 59:23
  from tactical error running 46 four last year to tactical error
• 59:27
  running 44 nine. Right.
• 59:28
  Got. It.
• 59:29
  So let us make a tactical error next year.
• 59:31
  And again, I'm not predicting numbers, but I'm just telling
• 59:33
  him we're, you know, and again, we're not doing through this
• 59:36
  season yet, but we're talking about the development and the
• 59:40
  progression. And again, I, I feel
• 59:42
  responsibility to him and all of my athletes to give my very best
• 59:47
  because if I don't, I feel like I'm cheating them and, and they
• 59:50
  don't deserve that because they're, they're too great a
• 59:53
  people for that. I love it all right, we're going
• 59:56
  to get into some something that we don't ever get into here in
• 59:59
  the podcast out of all you know, 3-4 hundred podcasts.
• 1:00:03
  What you guys don't see before we hit record is one of the
• 1:00:06
  things I. Talk with and get agreeance with
• 1:00:09
  each one of our guest is like, hey, we're not going to talk
• 1:00:11
  about XS and OS. I haven't coached in nearly 20
• 1:00:14
  years. That's how old I am.
• 1:00:15
  So it'd be a little inauthentic for me.
• 1:00:17
  Plus that's just not our style. There's other great, amazing
• 1:00:19
  podcast and clinics and stuff to, to, to go over that kind of
• 1:00:23
  stuff. But we had a lot of questions
• 1:00:26
  about training and so we're going to ask them.
• 1:00:28
  And so you get to talk however much and deep and not deep that
• 1:00:31
  you want to talk about, you know what what secrets you have and
• 1:00:35
  don't have and what's, you know, trade secret.
• 1:00:38
  That's all on you. You'll get to share with us
• 1:00:39
  here. So our first question comes from
• 1:00:42
  mutual friend and Gilpod Castle. I'm here Coach Quinn, Coach
• 1:00:44
  Pack. I'm surprised he didn't ask a
• 1:00:47
  fly fishing questions. That was I was real proud of him
• 1:00:49
  for that. But he asked how do you develop
• 1:00:52
  depth and range in a small to mid sized program?
• 1:00:55
  So we're kind of taking it away from Quincy here a little bit
• 1:00:57
  and just talking about the program in general, How do you
• 1:00:59
  develop such depth and range in that program you got there?
• 1:01:05
  I would probably go back to the word we used earlier and that's
• 1:01:08
  culture. And, and within the culture,
• 1:01:10
  it's mindset like we, we, we, we try to develop.
• 1:01:14
  And it's interesting because we have these super smart kids.
• 1:01:16
  Like our kids are brainiacs. Like don't get it twisted like
• 1:01:19
  these are smart kids and, and people if, if, if anyone thinks
• 1:01:22
  that, oh, they just let anybody in the bullet suits fast.
• 1:01:25
  Like, oh, no, you don't understand bullet.
• 1:01:26
  Trust me. If I got every kid in the bullet
• 1:01:30
  that I wanted to get in, we're we're having a very different
• 1:01:32
  conversation. Trust me.
• 1:01:34
  And I mean that in in all, all good ways.
• 1:01:38
  So when we have super kind and super smart kids, sometimes the,
• 1:01:46
  the, the kindness bleeds over and, and it doesn't lend itself
• 1:01:50
  to tenacity. So the, the culture and the
• 1:01:53
  mindset is like, we're going to give our everything.
• 1:01:56
  And, and that's the that's, that's the expectation or the
• 1:02:01
  standard that we're going to work from.
• 1:02:05
  And it's OK to be scared. Like they don't like, let's
• 1:02:09
  admit it, OK, We're scared. I'm afraid that this workout is
• 1:02:13
  going to hurt. I'm afraid that this workout is
• 1:02:16
  going to expose my weakness. It's like that's OK.
• 1:02:21
  But we're going to do it and we're going to do it together.
• 1:02:24
  We're all there. Now who's with me and the
• 1:02:27
  freshman who's shaking like, Oh my gosh, we have this, We have
• 1:02:31
  this 500 meter hill loop that that we run in a forward state.
• 1:02:36
  We're in the bus at national. I was like, hey, guys, great
• 1:02:39
  news. What I was like, hey, it's not
• 1:02:41
  more weeks to the loop. They're like you coach man, you
• 1:02:43
  just ruined our eye off of a fun trip.
• 1:02:49
  So but that freshman who's shaking in their boots like I've
• 1:02:51
  never done this before. They can look to a junior who's
• 1:02:54
  been there and say, don't worry, we got you.
• 1:02:56
  Come on and, and, and literally the culture is the, the again,
• 1:03:01
  your team, your kids determine culture that the leader just
• 1:03:05
  monitors it, right? That's what the leader does.
• 1:03:08
  The leader, the leader will, will is, is almost I think Jack
• 1:03:11
  Welch said this. He's like, you're the chief
• 1:03:13
  culture officer, you're the CCO, right?
• 1:03:17
  So it's my job is to monitor and to make sure the culture is
• 1:03:19
  intact, but the one to carry out that's your team, whether it be
• 1:03:24
  your track team or whether it be your marketing team, you know,
• 1:03:28
  your division, whatever it is, it, it, it, it plays itself out
• 1:03:31
  in life just as well. That's why I love sport and
• 1:03:34
  sport is a microcosm of life. So, so workout wise and those
• 1:03:39
  kind of things like that's what starts it when I, when you're
• 1:03:41
  talking about, Hey, how do they have A and AB and AC and AD
• 1:03:44
  team? They just have, you know, 25
• 1:03:47
  kids. Well, it's culture, it's
• 1:03:48
  mindset. And when you get enough people
• 1:03:50
  to buy in, when there's an outlier, it shows itself.
• 1:03:55
  But it doesn't work very well. And then I'm kind of stubborn,
• 1:03:58
  too. I'm like, yeah.
• 1:04:00
  And then I come in and then they always say the older ones say
• 1:04:04
  Coach Lee, though if that would have been me fresh in here, I'm.
• 1:04:07
  Like, of course, right, right, right.
• 1:04:09
  We all have our own memories, right?
• 1:04:12
  But the cool thing is they they're they're really speaking
• 1:04:14
  to the culture. They're like, no, that's not OK.
• 1:04:16
  That's right, you know, And then eventually the freshman gets it
• 1:04:19
  in and I have one freshman in particular I'm thinking about.
• 1:04:23
  I won't say their name, but they got it.
• 1:04:24
  They got it late, but they got it.
• 1:04:26
  And I can't wait till next year till I see this young person
• 1:04:29
  because the culture and the mindset, it really, it really
• 1:04:31
  shapes, you know, the team that's.
• 1:04:34
  Awesome. Warren, I believe it's
• 1:04:36
  pronounced Your EURE ask was making an attempt for the US
• 1:04:41
  trials indoor and U20 planned going into the season and what
• 1:04:46
  went into your decision? So and then a separate question,
• 1:04:48
  what went into your decision to run them in the 800 this year?
• 1:04:50
  So start with was it always in the cards this season?
• 1:04:53
  Like, hey, we're we're gunning for the trials.
• 1:04:57
  No, it wasn't. And, and, and here's why,
• 1:05:00
  because again, we care about the individual and I, I hope if
• 1:05:03
  anybody would look at our program, you'll see that, that
• 1:05:08
  we care about these kids individually.
• 1:05:11
  And it, it matters not what your accolades are, because again,
• 1:05:14
  they're, at the end of the day, they're just numbers. 4459 is a
• 1:05:18
  number. You know, 150 is a 149 for
• 1:05:23
  calling is a #5361 for Morgan is a number, you know, 2322 for
• 1:05:30
  citizens. They're getting numbers.
• 1:05:31
  They don't define your person. So I'm not going to chase
• 1:05:37
  numbers for, to, to, to justify or verify your worth.
• 1:05:42
  That's, that's whack to me. Your worth is way bigger than,
• 1:05:45
  than, than a number associated with a clock.
• 1:05:48
  So with, with Quincy in particular, you know, we, we, I
• 1:05:53
  meet with a lot of the families and parents individually about
• 1:05:56
  their goals and what they, you know, want to do, want to
• 1:05:58
  accomplish. And in talking to his family
• 1:06:01
  and, and him, we, we, I knew he could run that fast.
• 1:06:06
  And but here's the genius of his parents, they didn't care as
• 1:06:12
  much about can he qualify? They cared about is he prepared
• 1:06:18
  in other areas outside of athletics to go to that level
• 1:06:23
  that he's qualified for. And if he's not ready, we're
• 1:06:26
  not, we're not going. And I'm like, great, we're on
• 1:06:28
  the same page because I'm not going either, you know?
• 1:06:32
  So what do you mean you ready? I mean, well, first of all,
• 1:06:34
  ready academically, it's it's it's just going to be a
• 1:06:37
  detriment to his grade. And so we ain't doing it, you
• 1:06:40
  know, mentally, how's he handling, you know, all this
• 1:06:43
  success and all this pressure and all this other concept that
• 1:06:46
  the outside world will try to put on you.
• 1:06:49
  No maturity wise, is he maturing?
• 1:06:51
  He was 14 when he got here. Then most of his Stephen here,
• 1:06:54
  he's 15. He's a 15 year old young boy
• 1:06:56
  kid. He hates him under that young
• 1:06:59
  man, you know, but there's a maturation like let him grow,
• 1:07:03
  let people grow up. Like we put all this pressure on
• 1:07:07
  these on these so-called childhood phenoms and stuff.
• 1:07:10
  And and then like then we're all ready to point fingers at them
• 1:07:14
  When, when, when the pressure that we put on them a lot of
• 1:07:17
  times is what causes them to not achieve success because they're
• 1:07:22
  trying to live up to your expectations.
• 1:07:24
  Well, that's not how we do it here.
• 1:07:25
  And it never will be. So whether they, it was a
• 1:07:30
  thought that could happen, but it wasn't something that we put
• 1:07:32
  on the radar because we didn't know.
• 1:07:34
  We didn't know that he would be ready for it.
• 1:07:36
  And we come to find that he was ready and we proved it time and
• 1:07:39
  time again. I'm talking about outside of
• 1:07:41
  athletics. And then when you hit the number
• 1:07:46
  and and we all agreed that he was ready, we're like, all
• 1:07:48
  right, well, let's go. That didn't happen until well
• 1:07:52
  into the season. We'll we'll touch back on that
• 1:07:55
  again, Warren. Second question was and I and I
• 1:07:58
  found this fascinating as well because you know, we hear a lot
• 1:08:01
  of times that you know how hard it is to get 100 meter kid to
• 1:08:04
  run in the four by four and and a 400 meter kid, it's impossible
• 1:08:08
  to get him to run an 800 and all that.
• 1:08:09
  So Warren, Warren, second question was what went into your
• 1:08:12
  decision to run him in the 800 this year?
• 1:08:15
  Well, it was our decision actually.
• 1:08:17
  So one of the things we like to do and it's we'd like to have
• 1:08:20
  fun. It's still sport, right?
• 1:08:22
  So like I, I try to get kids, like don't just get caught up
• 1:08:26
  and say this is what I am, This is all I am.
• 1:08:28
  I'm just a hurdler. I'm just a short runner.
• 1:08:31
  I'm just a mid distance runner right why have fun go up and try
• 1:08:35
  some stuff We we we have kids, believe it or not I mean doing a
• 1:08:38
  high jump I mean long jump trip this having fun, but it's so
• 1:08:43
  dangerous. You know what I get hurt water
• 1:08:45
  across the street by step off the curb.
• 1:08:47
  So please stop it right. It's still sport, they're still
• 1:08:50
  kids, and oh, by the way, they bounce back pretty quickly.
• 1:08:54
  Now me on the other hand, I. Was going to say I was just
• 1:08:56
  about to say me and you. Get the stretcher right.
• 1:09:02
  But well, we have fun, you know, so let's have a fun, let's have
• 1:09:04
  fun. So one of the things that we
• 1:09:05
  have fun doing is we talk about the different things that we can
• 1:09:09
  do and you can do. So he's got range and he ran a
• 1:09:12
  55 meter dash. He haven't run one since then,
• 1:09:15
  but his freshman year we just ran it and he ran he ran pretty
• 1:09:17
  decent. He ran good and and his
• 1:09:19
  mechanics were nowhere where they are today.
• 1:09:22
  So we run the 300, we run the 400, we run the 500, we run the
• 1:09:26
  600. So we like that.
• 1:09:27
  All right, He likes it specifically like OK, I mean,
• 1:09:30
  what do you think about the 600 day coach?
• 1:09:32
  What do you think about the three?
• 1:09:33
  It's fun, right? I think I'm ready to run A2.
• 1:09:36
  OK, let's try it out there. You don't have as many options.
• 1:09:41
  So it's like, you know, OK. And so we were, we were at this
• 1:09:45
  meet and he's like, I think when I went 8 and I wanted him to say
• 1:09:49
  that, but I didn't, I didn't put it there before.
• 1:09:51
  I was hoping because he didn't, he knew he didn't run him on the
• 1:09:53
  quarter because we just ran the quarter at Florida Relays where
• 1:09:56
  he ran the 43, excuse me, 43. Oh, look at that.
• 1:09:59
  Hey, maybe he's figuring that thing out there. 4519 So, but we
• 1:10:06
  didn't want to do it back-to-back.
• 1:10:08
  So then there was a 200. It was a little cool, little
• 1:10:10
  cold that day. The temperature was dropping
• 1:10:14
  108. OK.
• 1:10:16
  You sure you want to run a? Yeah, I want to run a.
• 1:10:18
  Now, the cool part is his teammate was in it.
• 1:10:20
  And I like that because he's still a competitor.
• 1:10:23
  And his teammate is one of his closest friends on the on the
• 1:10:25
  team to Colin Abrams was a great kid who just ran 149 indoors.
• 1:10:31
  And he he that's what I love about is just athletes who just
• 1:10:36
  don't shy away from it. It's a big meet, big stage, big
• 1:10:40
  competitor. All right, big opportunity.
• 1:10:43
  That's cool. So so that's kind of how that
• 1:10:46
  happened and it was cool and he ran it one.
• 1:10:48
  Now we've had conversations about that race too, and whether
• 1:10:51
  we do it again or not will remain to be seen.
• 1:10:53
  But just the fact that he tried it competition, it's pretty fun.
• 1:10:58
  So try stuff out there. If you're listening, coaches
• 1:11:00
  lecture, athletes just try things and you know, again, you
• 1:11:03
  win and you learn. You never lose.
• 1:11:04
  So what are the odds that we see him run a mile at some point?
• 1:11:09
  Probably. Well, I'll put it this way.
• 1:11:12
  He would say no way. He'd be out there flipping out
• 1:11:16
  right now if he would want to do it.
• 1:11:21
  Yeah, Odds are very unlikely that it would happen.
• 1:11:26
  But again, who knows? I don't know.
• 1:11:27
  I mean. Crushed every mid distance
• 1:11:30
  distance coach I like. Everybody wants to move
• 1:11:32
  everybody up. It's like we'll soon be talking
• 1:11:35
  about what's Quincy's potential in the marathon here if we
• 1:11:37
  don't. No, I think the plan right
• 1:11:39
  exactly. No, I think the miles a bit
• 1:11:42
  much, but the 800 for. Sure, Let's keep moving here,
• 1:11:45
  Ryan from Twitter says. Did training change when the
• 1:11:48
  Olympic trials became a possibility?
• 1:11:50
  So he talks about how that wasn't the beginning goal of the
• 1:11:53
  season. But as we moved along and we
• 1:11:55
  talked about other things, was he ready?
• 1:11:57
  Not just physically as far as qualifying, but mentally and
• 1:12:00
  academically, etcetera. There had to be a time where
• 1:12:03
  it's like, OK, you know, we're qualified, we got to make a
• 1:12:06
  decision. It takes at least three months
• 1:12:08
  in advance to get hotels in Eugene, first of all.
• 1:12:10
  So we knew we had to be in advance in there.
• 1:12:13
  So when it did become like, OK, we're going to go to the trials,
• 1:12:16
  Did training change? Well, training really for us
• 1:12:20
  changed not because of the trials, it changed because he
• 1:12:25
  got sick. So what happened?
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  So we went to Florida Relays when he he he did really well
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  there and qualified there. And then the next thing on the
• 1:12:35
  the agenda was pen relays. We will there.
• 1:12:38
  Then after that we did another meet and he ran about in the
• 1:12:43
  rain. He ran about 45 one again where
• 1:12:46
  it was on a wet track, so we knew we were on on pace.
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  That was the first week of May, that Saturday and then the very
• 1:12:54
  next day, that Sunday, he got sick.
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  And when I say sick, I mean really sick, like he's vomiting.
• 1:13:00
  He can't keep anything down where he we had to take him to
• 1:13:03
  the emergency room. Yeah.
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  So, yeah, he was admitted into the hospital.
• 1:13:09
  They didn't know what was wrong with him.
• 1:13:10
  He just had this violent vomiting.
• 1:13:11
  He couldn't, he couldn't even keep down water.
• 1:13:14
  And you know, he had to get Ivs and, and it was pretty bad and,
• 1:13:17
  and he lost a full week of not just training, he lost about 5
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  to 7 lbs. And he's not the biggest guy in
• 1:13:24
  the world. So it's a lot for.
• 1:13:26
  Him right, Yeah, yeah, right. So I could say for for me, I, I,
• 1:13:28
  I, I'll be glad to lose side to side.
• 1:13:31
  You want anymore? I want to take 10 as well.
• 1:13:34
  But yeah, he he, he lost, you know, five, 7 lbs.
• 1:13:37
  He couldn't go to school like he literally was he, he was out of
• 1:13:40
  it. And I didn't know if we would
• 1:13:42
  have the rest of our season. So, so we really literally he
• 1:13:48
  had to dig out of the mud to even get back.
• 1:13:52
  And people don't realize that. And that's another reason why,
• 1:13:54
  you know, getting the emotion on my face and what's happening at
• 1:13:57
  the trials at the end, because they don't have no idea of what
• 1:14:00
  this kid thought through just to get there.
• 1:14:04
  And I'm telling you, the resilience of a 16 year old,
• 1:14:07
  forget age and side height and all that kind of stuff.
• 1:14:11
  That dude has the heart of a wine, the heart of a champion
• 1:14:14
  because the kids couldn't even eat.
• 1:14:17
  So forget the fact that you, your body's moving on the
• 1:14:20
  nutrients and, and, and you know, the hydration and, and you
• 1:14:24
  can't rest because you're, you're constantly up and you're
• 1:14:27
  throwing up and you, if you drink something, you throw that
• 1:14:30
  up. And if you don't drink
• 1:14:31
  something, you diet. Like that was, it was a really
• 1:14:33
  pretty big ordeal. So we had to change training
• 1:14:36
  simply because we just said, all right, well, let's just see
• 1:14:39
  where we are and, and, and let's start this one one step at a
• 1:14:42
  time. And it was tough.
• 1:14:44
  It was tough road. And I can see the disappointing
• 1:14:46
  on his face when his times were slower and significantly slower
• 1:14:51
  than than when he left. And I just again, my job was to
• 1:14:54
  keep encouraging him and, and let him know like, we're going
• 1:14:57
  to be there, It's going to be all right, we're going to be
• 1:14:58
  there. Let's just focus on the now.
• 1:15:00
  Focus on the now. I believe in your focus on the
• 1:15:02
  now. You know, the the next will take
• 1:15:04
  care of itself. You know, don't focus on the
• 1:15:06
  next. Let's focus on the now.
• 1:15:08
  Let's focus on the Rep. We do now, not what's going on
• 1:15:11
  down the road. And, and eventually just battled
• 1:15:13
  back. We had a meet.
• 1:15:15
  We just kind of used to kind of see where we were.
• 1:15:18
  We didn't run the quarter. I didn't want to run the quarter
• 1:15:20
  because it would have not been to his liking or to anybody.
• 1:15:25
  And then now you have all the people, you know, saying
• 1:15:28
  whatever they're saying and they don't know what they're talking
• 1:15:31
  about because we didn't even leak this.
• 1:15:32
  We didn't tell anybody because we didn't want people to feel
• 1:15:35
  like they're making excuses. So he ran 100 and a 200, you
• 1:15:39
  know, really with a week and a half to two weeks of training.
• 1:15:43
  And it was tough because he didn't win 100 and he, he barely
• 1:15:49
  won the 200. But we were working on a bigger
• 1:15:51
  plan. So we wound up running the, the
• 1:15:56
  400 at New Balance for the first time.
• 1:15:59
  And that's when we knew, OK, we might be out of the woods now,
• 1:16:03
  let's go get them. And then we, we, we, we
• 1:16:06
  unleashed it at the trials. And but he had to dig out of a
• 1:16:09
  lot because six weeks prior he's in a hospital with, with Ivs in
• 1:16:14
  him trying to figure out, you know, what's going on with his
• 1:16:17
  body. Amazing tough time.
• 1:16:20
  We tough. Time our next question we've
• 1:16:21
  actually already touched on it so I just I'm just going to read
• 1:16:24
  it because I want to honor the person who asked it because they
• 1:16:27
  they participated. So David Dushkin, a good friend
• 1:16:29
  of ours in your area. It's just curious as to how Joe
• 1:16:32
  plans the Quincy schedule and how that will change post
• 1:16:35
  Olympics over the next two years of high school.
• 1:16:37
  We actually touched on that way earlier about the different
• 1:16:41
  opportunities that he'll have in regards to pro meets, regular
• 1:16:44
  meet, you know, high school meets, etcetera.
• 1:16:45
  So we'll we'll go past that. We definitely answer that these
• 1:16:48
  next two questions. Next two individuals have very
• 1:16:51
  similar questions, so I'm going to group them together.
• 1:16:53
  I'm going to read them and then let you expound on them.
• 1:16:55
  So GE Blazer track and field cross country family says is
• 1:17:00
  Coach Lee a Feed the Cats guy or more of a Clyde Hart volume
• 1:17:04
  slash lactic guy? And then Peter Rock RAAK
• 1:17:08
  followed right along with it and says, how do you culture the
• 1:17:11
  mindset of a four enemy runner and get a sprinter willing to
• 1:17:13
  push beyond their limits? What are your thoughts on Feed
• 1:17:15
  the Cats versus Baylor? That's a big topic that is
• 1:17:18
  happening so much it's crazy. We have decided to clash these
• 1:17:22
  two styles, if you will, Feed the Cats and Coach Hart.
• 1:17:27
  Where do you sit on this? Where where do you weigh in on
• 1:17:31
  your training in regards to those two types of training?
• 1:17:35
  Well, let me answer that, but before I do, I do want to jump
• 1:17:37
  back on that previous question. I'll answer very succinctly.
• 1:17:42
  You know, we don't. So for him not changing anything
• 1:17:45
  like we're not talking about changing anything for him.
• 1:17:48
  And once we get done with this Olympic trials piece here,
• 1:17:52
  assuming the Olympic Games, you know, we'll get from the rest
• 1:17:55
  and we'll get back into our regular annual plant.
• 1:17:58
  So we just, we just got to modify.
• 1:18:00
  We shifted down the road a little bit, but you know, we're
• 1:18:04
  not again, we don't want to, we're not blowing everything up
• 1:18:08
  and saying, Oh, now we have this, you know, 44, five, We got
• 1:18:10
  to do everything different, like the like, you know, if the name
• 1:18:14
  broke, don't fix it. So in terms of, you know, our
• 1:18:18
  philosophy and I, I say our because we're a collaborative
• 1:18:20
  coaching team. It's not the Jovi show.
• 1:18:25
  And I'm the, you know, the genius in the room.
• 1:18:26
  I actually do not believe I'm the smartest person in the room.
• 1:18:30
  Somebody once said to be the smartest person in the room,
• 1:18:32
  find a different room. So in the wrong room, I'm
• 1:18:37
  certainly not the smartest. So I collaborate with our
• 1:18:39
  coaching staff. You know, again, we have 12
• 1:18:42
  highly intelligent people who are on our staff and who have
• 1:18:47
  specialties in different events and different skill sets.
• 1:18:51
  So we collaborate together to put the plan together.
• 1:18:54
  And you know, Coach Dave's a part of that.
• 1:18:56
  And Coach Derek, coach Rotini, he's our he's our our strength
• 1:19:01
  of conditioning resident genius. I joke on him a lot because he
• 1:19:06
  he was a decathlete at Upenn. So I'm like you, you, you
• 1:19:08
  clearly are the smartest person in here, but you don't act like
• 1:19:11
  it. But then we go like the pen
• 1:19:13
  relays. He's like, oh, wait, I can't
• 1:19:15
  remember which I turned up to turn like, like, how do you
• 1:19:17
  graduate from Upenn, be in Philadelphia?
• 1:19:19
  And I know they were going like, give me your degree.
• 1:19:24
  But now we have a lot of fun too.
• 1:19:25
  But so we put the plan together. We're not like all or nothing,
• 1:19:30
  like I'm always going to follow this, always going to follow
• 1:19:32
  that. You know, we, we take pieces
• 1:19:33
  from here and there and we just see what works.
• 1:19:36
  So I think people who try to do that, they try to emulate
• 1:19:39
  exactly what someone else does. You're not just discrediting
• 1:19:43
  your the author of whatever it is, but you're really
• 1:19:48
  discrediting yourself. Like you've got a lot in you as
• 1:19:52
  a coach that from experience, from this observation from,
• 1:19:56
  from, you know, things that you have, have have seen in red,
• 1:20:01
  like don't throw all that out. Like try some of it.
• 1:20:04
  Do we have a staple that we, we, we come from Absolutely.
• 1:20:08
  We're very big on understanding speed and and and speed.
• 1:20:13
  Development and how that translates across the gambit
• 1:20:19
  from 100 all the way up to the mile.
• 1:20:21
  Now we under speed and speed development are a big part of
• 1:20:23
  what we do and the technical components that are there and
• 1:20:27
  but we're not just speed only, you know, we're not just the one
• 1:20:32
  way to do it. There's certain things that
• 1:20:33
  we'll place in there that will make it a successful experience
• 1:20:39
  for a, a, a, a certain kind of runner because every quarter
• 1:20:44
  mile is not built the same, you know, every 200 run is not built
• 1:20:47
  the same, you know, every, every we, we like, we, we
• 1:20:50
  individualize our, our plans and programs.
• 1:20:52
  And so am IA feed the cats versus flying hard.
• 1:20:56
  And you know, I don't really know much about the whole feed
• 1:20:59
  the cats thing. I've heard the terms, but, but
• 1:21:03
  you know, I don't know too much about it.
• 1:21:05
  I, we may have some of them in our plan.
• 1:21:07
  I don't know because I don't know it, but I do know that, you
• 1:21:09
  know, we don't have like we're not cookie cutter,
• 1:21:12
  one-size-fits-all. We try to make sure we
• 1:21:15
  specialize it so that the individual athlete can get to
• 1:21:18
  the maximum of their potential. And if we don't get it right, we
• 1:21:22
  try to get better, if that makes sense.
• 1:21:25
  Yep, that's good. Again, two questions.
• 1:21:27
  I'm going to kind of group together here.
• 1:21:29
  Coach Hugh says, what does a typical week of workouts look
• 1:21:32
  like? Not looking for exact details of
• 1:21:34
  each workout, but just a weekly format overview, IE your daily
• 1:21:38
  themes. And then Ken Stone asked very
• 1:21:41
  succinctly. Ken gets just gets to the point.
• 1:21:43
  What's what's the hardest workout?
• 1:21:44
  So what's a typical work week of workouts look like?
• 1:21:48
  And what's just the, you know, do you have a tradition?
• 1:21:50
  You talked about that 500 meter hill loop.
• 1:21:52
  Is there a traditional like, oh man, today's hell day?
• 1:21:55
  This workout is whatever what you know what, what's the
• 1:21:57
  hardest what and what's the typical work look like?
• 1:22:00
  Well, first of all, I just say with the media genius and guru
• 1:22:05
  where I just want to shout out the excellent job that you're
• 1:22:07
  doing for combining questions. That just means I'm being too
• 1:22:11
  long winded and we're running out of time.
• 1:22:14
  It's your schedule I'm working on buddy.
• 1:22:16
  No, I'm fine. I'm good.
• 1:22:18
  I'm good on time, you know you are.
• 1:22:22
  Very media savvy. Now when I got you back, you
• 1:22:25
  know, several months ago as one of the first ones.
• 1:22:28
  Now you have just a slew you, you wonder how big Joe's gotten.
• 1:22:32
  I'm going to point this out. I had to work through Joe's
• 1:22:36
  director of OPS to get this done.
• 1:22:37
  Now I no, I'm, I'm kidding Joe. Well, I did remind her name
• 1:22:42
  again. Candace What?
• 1:22:44
  What was her name again? Connie.
• 1:22:47
  Connie, Connie, because I know you're listening.
• 1:22:49
  Thank you. Your communication was
• 1:22:51
  brilliant. I just really want to publicly
• 1:22:53
  shout out Connie and her and her education communication with
• 1:22:56
  this. But I do have to say Joe and I
• 1:22:59
  text each other all the time. So he's not he is not big time.
• 1:23:03
  You know, I'm the easiest guy to big time because who am I to
• 1:23:05
  quince? You know, he's not a pole
• 1:23:07
  vaulter or you know, and then I can do for Quincy.
• 1:23:10
  No, I do respect Joe, you and I have you're awesome.
• 1:23:14
  You're so no, I kid about all that stuff.
• 1:23:16
  So. No, I know you're my questions.
• 1:23:18
  Now you're trying to dodge the question.
• 1:23:19
  That's what it is. So my media savvy, right, or
• 1:23:25
  I'll forget the question. You know, I think so a staple
• 1:23:30
  for what we do in is number one, like I said, speed and speed
• 1:23:34
  development. Like we want to teach kids how
• 1:23:36
  to Sprint. You know, we believe, I agree
• 1:23:40
  with the the notion that everything starts from the 100m
• 1:23:43
  race pad. So, and it's a pattern because
• 1:23:48
  you know, it, it, it has a rhythmic approach and a standard
• 1:23:52
  that will deviate if you don't approach it correctly.
• 1:23:56
  So I think of like, you know, their their patterns or rhythmic
• 1:24:01
  patterns to music, you know their rhythmic patterns to, you
• 1:24:04
  know, a ton of different things that you would do
• 1:24:07
  professionally. So what is 100 million pattern?
• 1:24:10
  What does it mean? What is it?
• 1:24:11
  What is it sound like? What does it look like?
• 1:24:14
  How does it feel? You know, I told my kids all the
• 1:24:17
  time, there's three things are happening when you're, when
• 1:24:20
  you're accelerating, when you're sprinting.
• 1:24:23
  You can, it's, I can, I can see what's happening.
• 1:24:28
  I can hear what's happening, but you can feel what's happening,
• 1:24:31
  right? I cannot feel, but I can see and
• 1:24:34
  hear. You cannot see what's happening,
• 1:24:37
  but you can hear and feel. When we blend those together and
• 1:24:41
  we work on the same sheet of music, then we're going to, you
• 1:24:45
  know, create the, you know, hit song or whatever the case may
• 1:24:49
  be. You get what I'm saying?
• 1:24:53
  So we're sprinting no less than twice a week, no less.
• 1:24:58
  We're never sprinting less than twice a week, ever.
• 1:25:01
  I'm talking about quarter. Miles on that.
• 1:25:04
  Ever. Sometimes three times a week.
• 1:25:07
  Now what? What kind of sprinting is it?
• 1:25:08
  Is it acceleration? Is it?
• 1:25:11
  You know Max B is it, you know. Somewhere in between that
• 1:25:15
  depends on where we are in the season, but we're sprinting day
• 1:25:18
  one, like out the gate, like we're not like because, because
• 1:25:21
  if I don't teach you how to push, if I don't teach you how
• 1:25:24
  to to project your hips through space properly, then you're
• 1:25:30
  going to always be at a deficit. I don't care how talented you
• 1:25:32
  are, you're always going to be so so we we do that twice a
• 1:25:36
  week. And we, we.
• 1:25:38
  You know, again, there's not like we're not doing anything
• 1:25:40
  like super special. You know, you may say you're
• 1:25:42
  right, Joe, you just have camera 45 and OK, I, I, I get that, But
• 1:25:49
  it's really on, on how you apply.
• 1:25:51
  You know what I say wisdom is applied knowledge.
• 1:25:53
  Like how do you apply the knowledge like?
• 1:25:55
  And then are you getting, are you able to communicate in such
• 1:25:59
  a way where, where it's at the level where the kid can
• 1:26:03
  understand it, but you're not ordering it down so much to
• 1:26:07
  where it's too easy And it's not making them stretch like I want
• 1:26:14
  to stretch your thinking. I want, I want you to say I want
• 1:26:19
  you to feel the same way you do in science class or in history
• 1:26:23
  or in math. I want you to feel that, but I
• 1:26:26
  don't want you to feel it by yourself.
• 1:26:28
  We're going to. Talk through it.
• 1:26:29
  We're going to work through it. We're going to look at video.
• 1:26:31
  We're going to approach this the same way you would when you're
• 1:26:34
  going out there busting out the maids.
• 1:26:37
  And you may not get it right away, but hang in there long
• 1:26:41
  enough because because it's not the the test is not coming out
• 1:26:45
  of test is going to come in December.
• 1:26:46
  Really, the big tests for us are March.
• 1:26:48
  April and June. So, so let's let's let's work
• 1:26:51
  through it. It's almost like a high level AP
• 1:26:53
  course that's kind of betraying it.
• 1:26:54
  But like not talking over their heads.
• 1:26:57
  We put things in a very common place, like for example I'll
• 1:26:59
  say. Hey, you know.
• 1:27:01
  A sprinter's legs or you're supposed to your body works like
• 1:27:05
  a spring. There are two kinds of springs
• 1:27:07
  that I give an example of. I'll say you can have a tight
• 1:27:09
  spring or a loose spring. The tight spring is like on a
• 1:27:13
  Pogo stick. Did you see a like anyone ever
• 1:27:16
  seen a poker stick? Yeah, that spring is tight.
• 1:27:19
  And that what happens when that tight spring hits the ground
• 1:27:22
  bang you get, you know, the the the reaction off the ground.
• 1:27:25
  It it it propels you or projects you forward at at at a higher
• 1:27:30
  height or a higher distance. There's also a loose spring.
• 1:27:33
  You ever open up a ballpoint pen that.
• 1:27:36
  One right here and it's the loose.
• 1:27:37
  Spring in here. There's a little loose spring.
• 1:27:40
  I can't even get the spring out. That loose spring, What happens
• 1:27:45
  with it? Nothing much, Right.
• 1:27:48
  Well, do you want to be a tight spring or do you want to be a
• 1:27:50
  loose spring? I want to be a tight spring.
• 1:27:52
  OK, well, here's how you do it. You see what I'm saying?
• 1:27:54
  So just using different analogies like that.
• 1:27:57
  And that may not have been something that resonates from
• 1:27:59
  anybody. Like that was the dumbest thing
• 1:28:00
  I heard. Yeah, fine.
• 1:28:02
  But I don't need everybody to get it.
• 1:28:03
  I need somebody to get it. And then I'll figure out
• 1:28:05
  something for somebody else. So, you know, that's how we
• 1:28:09
  approach it. You know, we don't overtrain, We
• 1:28:13
  don't, I don't believe it or not, we don't do a lot of
• 1:28:14
  overdistance stuff. So we're probably not on the
• 1:28:16
  Clyde Hart stuff. Believe it or not, some of that
• 1:28:19
  stuff is also it's kind of overly hyped meaning because my,
• 1:28:23
  my, I didn't train with Clyde Hart, but my college teammate
• 1:28:28
  did. And some of that stuff is like
• 1:28:29
  they're not really doing that. Or you may it may seem like
• 1:28:33
  they're. Volume, volume, volume.
• 1:28:34
  They're really not. All the time at least, but we're
• 1:28:38
  we're we're very low volume. We're quality over quantity.
• 1:28:42
  You know, we did a workout just recently.
• 1:28:46
  It totaled 700 meters over the whole workout and we're done.
• 1:28:52
  It was 300 and it was 202 hundred and we're done.
• 1:28:58
  But trust me, at the at the clip we did them, we did, we got our
• 1:29:03
  work in the hardest workout ever.
• 1:29:06
  You probably have to ask the kids that.
• 1:29:08
  There's one that they did at Quincy, actually.
• 1:29:12
  He was like, you are just, you're just, you're evil for
• 1:29:15
  that. And I didn't.
• 1:29:18
  I personally think the hardest one we do is different than
• 1:29:23
  theirs. So they all have a different
• 1:29:25
  one. I think it was like 321.
• 1:29:31
  And then I, I think we went, I just maybe 323 or something like
• 1:29:40
  that, But you know, it may not have been that because that's
• 1:29:42
  actually sounds like in my brain.
• 1:29:43
  That's, that's a lot of volume for us.
• 1:29:45
  But I, we have a signature workout that we do that he, he's
• 1:29:54
  going to hate that. And I told him I'm gonna get him
• 1:29:56
  because when, sometimes when he's on interviews, he like he,
• 1:29:58
  he throws shots at me like I know what he's saying.
• 1:30:01
  And I'm like, why did you do that?
• 1:30:02
  Because it was fun. So we did this work out one
• 1:30:07
  time, 300 and we had a 300 at near race pace.
• 1:30:11
  And then we'll we'll do depending upon how fast the 300
• 1:30:15
  was, we'll do multiple rounds of twos.
• 1:30:17
  And he threw up after the 1st 300.
• 1:30:21
  And which by the way is not uncommon for him, he throws up
• 1:30:24
  all the time, like every week. It throws up like no exception.
• 1:30:28
  Why? Doesn't mean he has a weak
• 1:30:30
  stomach. No, it means he's giving
• 1:30:31
  everything like he's, he's literally laying it on the line.
• 1:30:35
  So he threw up and I, it was one of those days where he's like,
• 1:30:38
  sometimes I'll throw up and just keep going.
• 1:30:39
  Other times I'll throw up and he'll just like lie there.
• 1:30:42
  I'm like, get up, Wilson. Wilson, get up.
• 1:30:47
  So he was one of those like, I can't get up, coach.
• 1:30:50
  I'm like, OK, the workout's clearly done, but he gets out.
• 1:30:53
  He's like, can you just like, can you help me?
• 1:30:55
  Like like my calves cramping up and my stomach is like, can you
• 1:30:58
  help me? So I'm over to help him.
• 1:31:00
  I'm I'm. I'm.
• 1:31:01
  I'm looking at him, I'm helping him stretch his calf out.
• 1:31:04
  You know, he pushed the calf out and I'm looking, I'm like
• 1:31:06
  looking at my hands and my on my pants.
• 1:31:08
  I'm like, I've got throw up all over me too.
• 1:31:11
  And he thought that was the funniest thing.
• 1:31:13
  Like I guess we're in this together.
• 1:31:15
  I'm like get away from me. So now I'm like, I'm in my car.
• 1:31:18
  I'm like. I smell like this.
• 1:31:19
  It's. A horrible mess, but.
• 1:31:21
  He. Finished the workout, I said to
• 1:31:22
  say but that one because he threw up and then he had
• 1:31:25
  multiple twos after that. I would probably say that's the
• 1:31:29
  one that most of the kids don't like, but they all have their
• 1:31:33
  own special ones for sure. You know anyone that you end up
• 1:31:36
  that you as the coach end up with throw up on, that's going
• 1:31:39
  to be the hardest workout for sure.
• 1:31:41
  I was so. Mad dude.
• 1:31:42
  And I didn't realize until it was too late and he knew it and
• 1:31:46
  he just, he invited me over there.
• 1:31:47
  Like can you help me? And it was, I mean, it was on
• 1:31:49
  his shoes. It was on his pants.
• 1:31:52
  And then of. Course it's on mine.
• 1:31:54
  Whatever. But yeah, I.
• 1:31:55
  Love it. I love it.
• 1:31:57
  All right, Brad Leto says precocious athletes often peak
• 1:32:01
  very early. Now there's a whole discussion
• 1:32:04
  around that. Coach, do you accept this
• 1:32:07
  premise? And if so, are there any
• 1:32:09
  training ideas, protocols you might use to lengthen the upside
• 1:32:13
  path of such athletes? Well, I don't think we have to
• 1:32:19
  accept it. I think we've just proven that
• 1:32:21
  that that the concept of peaking too early needs to be
• 1:32:26
  eradicated. Everybody trust me and I, my
• 1:32:30
  coaches get on me and my friends get on me.
• 1:32:32
  Like you got to stop reading the Internet like, and I'm getting
• 1:32:34
  better, but I, I still read a lot When I hear people saying
• 1:32:38
  you're peaking him too early and you know he's going to burn out
• 1:32:41
  and all those other kind of stuff, I'm like, all right, part
• 1:32:43
  of it fuels me. I'm like, all right, we're just
• 1:32:44
  going to prove ourselves right. I don't need to prove you wrong.
• 1:32:46
  We're going to prove ourselves right.
• 1:32:47
  And then when people like, he's not going to be able to handle
• 1:32:49
  the rounds at, at the trials, I'm like, did you just see this
• 1:32:52
  kid just put 244 splits together at pin relays and six interview
• 1:32:57
  rather within five hours, Like, OK, a full day.
• 1:33:01
  We got, you mean we get a day to recover and then there's one of
• 1:33:04
  them. We have a day break in between.
• 1:33:06
  Oh, that's like Christmas to us. And so I, I, I don't believe
• 1:33:11
  that there is a, that you can peak athletes if you make sure
• 1:33:16
  that you are staying true to your plan, like plan the work
• 1:33:20
  and then work the plan and then listen to what the plan is
• 1:33:23
  saying along the way because of the plan will speak.
• 1:33:25
  It's got a lot to say. So I, I, I, I'm looking at the
• 1:33:29
  numbers, I'm looking at the results.
• 1:33:30
  I'm, I'm looking at, you know, what's happening and just adjust
• 1:33:34
  accordingly. So I believe that you run fast
• 1:33:38
  and then you run faster. I'm not going to slow with you
• 1:33:41
  all. You're running too fast now.
• 1:33:42
  No, like, but but it starts with me.
• 1:33:48
  Like I'm not going to say let's go out and run all out two
• 1:33:51
  hundreds in in November. If yeah, then that's my fault.
• 1:33:57
  That's poor planning. On my side.
• 1:33:59
  But if I'm running, let's just say we're running 52 hundreds in
• 1:34:02
  November at 85% and they're running them, that translates to
• 1:34:10
  21 flat. I'm not going to slow you down.
• 1:34:13
  I'm going to say, OK, guess what, you're, you're on pace to
• 1:34:17
  run 21 flat. Do you want to run 20.8?
• 1:34:20
  You better believe I do, coach. All right, then let's let's
• 1:34:23
  let's let's save a 10th here or 2/10 here.
• 1:34:27
  Like I just believe we get too scared, like scared money.
• 1:34:31
  Don't make money. Like don't get scared of it.
• 1:34:34
  Don't be afraid of the numbers. Listen to what the numbers say
• 1:34:36
  and then go after it. So no, and and he proved it
• 1:34:38
  personally. I mean, we know we could have
• 1:34:40
  ran faster than 44 five. We know and we know where our
• 1:34:44
  mistakes were. We know we're we're going to
• 1:34:46
  improve things, but no, if we would have taken that passive
• 1:34:50
  approach or just, you know, you can't pee too soon and all that
• 1:34:53
  kind of stuff like no, let's we're running, let's go, we're
• 1:34:55
  competing and we're planning for this.
• 1:34:58
  I believe when you do it that way, I believe that there are a
• 1:35:02
  limit that you don't set limits. And you never want to do that
• 1:35:06
  with athletes either. You don't tell what they can't
• 1:35:08
  do. Always tell them what they can.
• 1:35:10
  I. Love that Next question comes
• 1:35:12
  from a good friend Amanda Hollis.
• 1:35:14
  Amanda says what does Quincy's recovery look like between meats
• 1:35:18
  and practices etcetera. Oh and nutrition.
• 1:35:19
  What are his go to foods for fuel?
• 1:35:24
  Well, it's now thing he's into this thing now, like making
• 1:35:27
  smoothies. He swears he's the Smoothie
• 1:35:28
  King, no pun intended. Not not trying to get an
• 1:35:32
  endorsement deal there. He swears he is.
• 1:35:36
  And the funny part is, the other day of practice he was like.
• 1:35:42
  My stomach, I'm like, what? Is wrong with you boy and he's
• 1:35:44
  like. Gosh, my stomach.
• 1:35:45
  I was like. What happened?
• 1:35:46
  He's like, I've made one of my smoothie so.
• 1:35:49
  But I think I put too much protein in it's.
• 1:35:51
  Like now do the smoothie cane like so he's like, but it was
• 1:35:56
  good though, so and so you know, he's he's he's a very conscious
• 1:36:02
  eater. I remember when when Noah was in
• 1:36:06
  high school, Noah and Josephus were in high school and our our
• 1:36:11
  program hadn't yet arrived to the level where we are now.
• 1:36:14
  But being around them, it was really great because they were
• 1:36:18
  already high level, high level athletes in high school as we
• 1:36:21
  know. And it was an athlete on my team
• 1:36:24
  was just talking about, yeah, I'm up there after my race, I'm
• 1:36:26
  going to go get some. Candy and Nowhere yells.
• 1:36:28
  She's like. What?
• 1:36:29
  You can't do that? You could not put that in your
• 1:36:32
  body. Are you crazy?
• 1:36:34
  I didn't have to say a word. I was just sitting back like,
• 1:36:36
  oh, I'm loving this. And he's like, no, your body's
• 1:36:40
  like a machine. It's like a.
• 1:36:41
  Ferrari, but, well, you know, he's.
• 1:36:43
  Like he's, he's laying into one of my athletes who just thought,
• 1:36:46
  you know, I'm going to get a candy.
• 1:36:48
  Bar after the race. And and that memory of that,
• 1:36:51
  that probably was, you know, 10 years ago.
• 1:36:54
  Or maybe about 10. Probably definitely.
• 1:36:56
  Eight years ago, it resonated because we began to emphasize
• 1:37:03
  nutrition to our athletes to work.
• 1:37:05
  Now it's a part of our culture. Now, do everyone of my athletes
• 1:37:08
  eat phenomenally? No.
• 1:37:10
  But OK, You're, you're, you're going to have to live with the.
• 1:37:14
  Consequences of a poor. Eating I don't think anyone
• 1:37:17
  needs. Porn team but but.
• 1:37:18
  The better I eat, the better I'll be.
• 1:37:20
  So with Quincy, he he, he's locked into that like he, he, he
• 1:37:25
  does it. He eats well, he eats clean.
• 1:37:27
  He eats the right things. And, you know, will he
• 1:37:33
  occasionally do something just that to treat himself?
• 1:37:35
  Yeah. And I think that's that's OK.
• 1:37:37
  Like, don't be a robot where you can never, ever, ever do
• 1:37:41
  something. But to make it like a consistent
• 1:37:44
  part of your diet, like candy bars after races, that's just,
• 1:37:47
  that's just not smart because you're putting so much into
• 1:37:50
  this. Like.
• 1:37:52
  Give yourself a chance to get it the best outs.
• 1:37:55
  He's good with that kind of stuff.
• 1:37:57
  And yeah, if you need a smoothie recipe, hit a button.
• 1:38:00
  He's the guy. All right, this next question is
• 1:38:04
  interesting. You know, I've seen him run
• 1:38:07
  several times in person on TV and stuff like that.
• 1:38:09
  And I guess I never I'm either so far out of it.
• 1:38:13
  This didn't even register to me or I just know that there's so
• 1:38:16
  many uniquenesses from 1 athlete to the next that I like.
• 1:38:21
  I don't even think about it in that sense.
• 1:38:23
  And I used to cook, you know, my favorite event to coach was the
• 1:38:25
  high hurdles. And you know, there's the
• 1:38:27
  stereotypical what a high hurdler is supposed to look
• 1:38:29
  like. And then you go watch the real
• 1:38:30
  world and they all have, you know, Grant's form is different
• 1:38:33
  than Trey's, different than Freddie's, etcetera.
• 1:38:35
  So Jeffrey over on Twitter asked does Quincy's running form
• 1:38:40
  affect his performance? Now, on face value, that it's
• 1:38:42
  not a great question because of course everybody's form affects
• 1:38:46
  the performance. I think what Jeffrey's getting
• 1:38:48
  at is that, you know, some people have said that Quincy has
• 1:38:51
  a bad running form. Again, I haven't.
• 1:38:53
  I, I, this is, I've heard it, but I just don't see it.
• 1:38:57
  What can you talk to us about? Quincy's technique, The running
• 1:39:00
  form? Well, I understand the question
• 1:39:04
  and I would just respond to it by absolutely this is running
• 1:39:07
  for perfect effect his performance.
• 1:39:11
  It absolutely does in a good way.
• 1:39:14
  Like so you know, every athlete, again, you can't put everyone
• 1:39:19
  into a box. Like every athlete has
• 1:39:21
  strengths, weaknesses, their body composition to make up is
• 1:39:24
  different. So if I were to go tinker, and
• 1:39:27
  again I am, trust me, I'm that guy, I'm the one who's looking
• 1:39:30
  at the angles and the bio mechanics and you know all the,
• 1:39:33
  you know, the stick figure kind of stuff.
• 1:39:35
  I'm that guy. But if I mess with it too much,
• 1:39:39
  you know, I'm messing with, to a certain degree, what what brings
• 1:39:43
  out his greatness Prince has. Very long levers, right?
• 1:39:50
  It's long arms long. Legs, right.
• 1:39:53
  So I can't make him look like something that he's not simply
• 1:39:57
  just to to go ahead and to try to align the models.
• 1:40:02
  No, So I got OK, what works well with him and with his body
• 1:40:07
  composition because his is not he's not Bryce Deadman or he's
• 1:40:12
  not Quincy Hall. That's a different Quincy.
• 1:40:15
  He's not Vernon Norwood, he's Quincy Wilson.
• 1:40:18
  So what works for him? And then let's make sure we're
• 1:40:23
  we're as efficient as possible. I think the question comes to is
• 1:40:26
  he being more efficient or is he being less efficient?
• 1:40:29
  And if we? Made him more efficient.
• 1:40:30
  Will he be faster? Well, well, I think you got to
• 1:40:33
  be very careful when you start to do those kind of things.
• 1:40:35
  You know, back in the day, everybody told, told told
• 1:40:38
  Michael Johnson how he. Was running.
• 1:40:39
  Yeah, probably the best case. Example.
• 1:40:42
  Exactly right. So you have to understand, first
• 1:40:46
  of all, look at what's happening.
• 1:40:49
  Blue Sex Matter talks about this a lot like everybody
• 1:40:52
  overemphasizes the arms. Is his, his, his philosophy on
• 1:40:55
  that? It's really what's happening
• 1:40:57
  with the legs because that's what's touching ground, that's
• 1:40:59
  what's going forward, that's what's.
• 1:41:00
  Bringing propelling movement. Patterns all right, and as long
• 1:41:04
  as that's not constricted or restricted, let's not give so
• 1:41:08
  much credit to the arms that's that that that it doesn't
• 1:41:10
  deserve. So Quincy has a a a unique arm
• 1:41:14
  carry. I get it.
• 1:41:16
  OK, now what I cared about more than his arms.
• 1:41:19
  I cared about his front side mechanics and if you watch how
• 1:41:23
  he's front side out of the blocks now and, and, and as he
• 1:41:26
  transitions to upright and we're still working on some things,
• 1:41:29
  but you'll see a very different principle than you saw in 8th or
• 1:41:32
  9th grade. So trust me, the guy, the kick
• 1:41:35
  and Sprint, we know like if we ran him at a 200, like healthy,
• 1:41:39
  prepared and all that, he's going to run 20 low. 20.3 is
• 1:41:43
  right now where we have him. You know, that's where his
• 1:41:46
  numbers test that you're not running 20.3 running backs up.
• 1:41:50
  He's not, you're not doing that. So he knows how to Sprint now.
• 1:41:54
  He's a better overall athlete now.
• 1:41:58
  Does he tilt his head back? Yeah, he tilts his head back
• 1:42:00
  like he's 8 years old. And but that's to me, that's
• 1:42:03
  messing with his superpower because he goes into a space
• 1:42:08
  that we know not of I'm. We I'm being real, for real.
• 1:42:13
  On this he goes into a space and if that hell if he needs to tilt
• 1:42:17
  that head back to go there. And if you watch the Olympic
• 1:42:20
  trials, how he started snatching people in the last hundred, I
• 1:42:23
  would rather him tilt that head back and go into that space then
• 1:42:27
  try to force himself to keep his his.
• 1:42:29
  You know his, his, his. Channel line with his shoulders
• 1:42:32
  and you know run 45904590 then it's going to you're you're
• 1:42:36
  messing with the gift. So I I my thing is what's what's
• 1:42:41
  happening to lower extremities upper we'll we'll make sure
• 1:42:44
  we're we're we're working a little bit at a time and it may
• 1:42:47
  never look like everybody thinks it should.
• 1:42:50
  But my response to you is neither will the clock.
• 1:42:54
  I like that because, you know, we talk about how important the
• 1:42:57
  mental side is and yet we'll talk so to your, you know, to
• 1:43:01
  your example there about he goes into a space we do not know of,
• 1:43:04
  but then we talk about, oh, but it's way more important his
• 1:43:06
  technique. And it's like, well, if that's
• 1:43:08
  what he needs to get to that zone, that's where we see things
• 1:43:12
  happen that we we've never seen and and never thought we would
• 1:43:15
  see. So that that's a good example.
• 1:43:16
  All right, last few questions here.
• 1:43:17
  We've got about 10 more minutes for your next autograph session
• 1:43:20
  or whatever you're. Into, Yeah.
• 1:43:24
  Called training children, that's what I.
• 1:43:26
  OK, that's fair. That's fair, I guess, Coach
• 1:43:28
  Dalts says as Quincy matures, if not already, how will his weight
• 1:43:33
  training evolve as he gets older?
• 1:43:34
  That's something we don't talk about very much on the track and
• 1:43:37
  field side. What about his weight training?
• 1:43:39
  Yeah. So, you know, we have a specific
• 1:43:41
  and, and unique weight training program and within our annual
• 1:43:45
  plan and it's very specific and unique to their, their event.
• 1:43:50
  So, you know, we have our, like I told you, coach Kenny, who is
• 1:43:55
  our, our, our team, the Kanichi specialist.
• 1:43:57
  And he's also. Again, he's very.
• 1:43:58
  Knowledgeable track and field. He's a collegiate track and
• 1:44:00
  field participant at at Upenn. He knows the game and what we
• 1:44:06
  do. We, we, we work on more tendon
• 1:44:08
  and ligament strength and stiffness rather than trying to
• 1:44:11
  lift the weight out of the gym. So we're not like, we're not
• 1:44:15
  trying to like, oh, how much can you squat and all that kind of
• 1:44:18
  stuff. Like, because it's, it's not
• 1:44:20
  sport transferable. It's not like, like what, like
• 1:44:25
  what do you need? You need a.
• 1:44:27
  You need a stiff ankle to push through so that you can.
• 1:44:30
  Minimize minimize ground contact on So how do I.
• 1:44:33
  Stiffen the ankle. I got to do the research on
• 1:44:35
  that. OK, so we, we when you say
• 1:44:39
  weight training for us, like it's really more, it's really
• 1:44:43
  more strength training and strengthening the proper places
• 1:44:48
  on your body, within your body so that you can maximize your
• 1:44:52
  output. So, you know, we again, we're
• 1:44:56
  just now the interesting part about it is when some of my kids
• 1:44:59
  come back from college, they're like, Coach Lee, we're doing
• 1:45:03
  this stuff in college too. I'm like, oh, really?
• 1:45:05
  I'm thinking to myself, yeah, that's kind of what got you
• 1:45:07
  there, right. But you know, and again, that's
• 1:45:11
  that whole thing like, you know, you know, bigger is better and
• 1:45:15
  it's not, it's just different. You know, I mean, we're not, I'm
• 1:45:18
  not down in colleges and down in pros.
• 1:45:20
  Again, I want to be clear, there's some great college.
• 1:45:22
  There's some coaches out there way better than me, you know,
• 1:45:25
  way better than, than, than, than, you know what I even know
• 1:45:29
  up to this point in my life. But we, we, like I said,
• 1:45:32
  collaboratively, we, we, we do our work, we do our homework,
• 1:45:34
  right? We do, we do our research.
• 1:45:36
  So as he grows into that, again, we, we do things in cycles, 4
• 1:45:41
  year cycles, 2 year, one year, and then we break it down, you
• 1:45:44
  know, incrementally into the annual plan.
• 1:45:46
  Yeah, he'll continue to get stronger, but in the areas where
• 1:45:48
  he needs it. I don't need him to bench press
• 1:45:51
  275 lbs. I don't care.
• 1:45:53
  It's not sports specific. It doesn't matter, OK?
• 1:45:58
  What I need him to do is to be able to absorb forces and to
• 1:46:02
  apply forces in a way where he can.
• 1:46:06
  It will project his body into space at a higher rate of speed.
• 1:46:11
  So how does that? Work we do that in a weight room
• 1:46:13
  and see he learns more, he grows more and he's he's 100% locked
• 1:46:17
  in. You know, he's he's he did well
• 1:46:21
  last year. He doing even better this year
• 1:46:23
  and I'm expecting him to do any better next year.
• 1:46:25
  But we're not again and we're not doing the traditional weight
• 1:46:28
  training program going squat 10 set set to this and you know, go
• 1:46:32
  leg press 10 set to no, we're not doing that.
• 1:46:35
  A lot of stuff, we have dumbbells and we're we're,
• 1:46:37
  we're, we're doing a lot of plyometric exercises and do some
• 1:46:40
  fun stuff that they can compete in too, like.
• 1:46:43
  Box. Jump to you know, hop, you know,
• 1:46:45
  and then he I hate when he does this after he does some great
• 1:46:49
  point. You see that you see.
• 1:46:51
  Look, I'm like, it was all right.
• 1:46:53
  I'm like, then I have to, you know, say, but you can't get
• 1:46:56
  here Then he always does. He'll get there, but then one of
• 1:46:59
  his teammates will compete and it's just a lot of fun.
• 1:47:00
  But that's that's more sports specific.
• 1:47:02
  You know, def jump to a Plio, you know, you know, that kind of
• 1:47:06
  stuff is what we do as opposed to just lifting weights for the
• 1:47:11
  sake of lifting them. Kind of love it next to last
• 1:47:14
  question. We kind of touched on this.
• 1:47:15
  I'll, I'll read it and let you, if you want to add anything
• 1:47:17
  here. Nico Caravalis, I love him on
• 1:47:19
  Twitter, by the way. He says, how do you plan to let
• 1:47:22
  talented young kids still be a young kid and not push him into
• 1:47:25
  the professional ranks too early so we can see him develop over
• 1:47:28
  the next decade? So Nico's thinking about long
• 1:47:31
  term. So how do you work to not push
• 1:47:34
  him too quickly? Thinking of Quincy at 26, not
• 1:47:38
  just at 16. Yeah, I mean, well, again, I
• 1:47:42
  don't it's again, keeping it fun.
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  Like we have so much fun, Nico and whoever else would would
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  worry about that. I mean, we we make it very hard
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  and and in a good way and kind of a fun way.
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  But at the same time, seriously, when kids go to college, they're
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  like, yeah, culturally it's cool, but you know, it's kind of
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  mixing something here and there. Every kid has to say that, but a
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  lot do. The family aspect, you know, we,
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  we have traditions. On our team, that.
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  We only know about them. We only do we have sayings.
• 1:48:11
  You know we have, you know. They do things like they have
• 1:48:14
  their coastly impersonations, which are freaking hilarious and
• 1:48:17
  I hate every one of them that they're and they just won't
• 1:48:20
  stop. I mean, they're they'll do
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  things like they'll prank me or every year on my birthday.
• 1:48:24
  Like we have this war we have, we have a, we have a, we have a
• 1:48:28
  water war where like, like they will like it started out like,
• 1:48:33
  you know, couple of water balloons.
• 1:48:36
  Now it's like they, they have tubs of water and these water
• 1:48:39
  guns and it's like 1000 water balloons.
• 1:48:42
  And I thought I had them this year because I loaded up, I had
• 1:48:44
  these two water guns and all these water balloons.
• 1:48:47
  And they just, they, they, it's almost like they, it was like a
• 1:48:52
  movie where they just came out of nowhere and they all just
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  were armed and dangerous. And I literally I, I, I heard
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  myself squeaking as I. Walked away from.
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  My defeat, but I will get you all next year if you're watching
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  this. I have a plan and my plan will
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  win. So, you know, I mean just we
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  have fun when we have fun. When you keep it fun, people
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  tend to come back and they tend to want to do more of it.
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  The main thing is just keep it fun in your own way.
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  You know, whatever you're doing on your team and make sure it's
• 1:49:23
  good fun. It's not like fun that's, you
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  know, degrading anyone or demoralize or demeaning someone.
• 1:49:29
  That's not fun. That's not cool at all.
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  But what's what's fun is when you're doing things together and
• 1:49:35
  then again, you're keeping the main thing, the main thing.
• 1:49:37
  We talked about that before, but don't let any bosses play and
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  become. Your own and.
• 1:49:40
  When you do that, it typically works out.
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  All right, last question. It's a good, I think it's a good
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  last question because again, when you're listening to the
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  Olympics are over. So now officially Quincy's
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  season is over. So Coach Abe says, I've known
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  and watched Quincy run since the Virginia elite days as my son
• 1:49:57
  competed on the same team. Kid is a freak athlete and even
• 1:50:00
  more phenomenal person. Question I would ask Joe is
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  what's the offseason regiment look like?
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  Yeah, I'll answer that before I say this.
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  I don't know that I agree that he's a freak athlete.
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  Quincy superpower guys is this He has a will and a
• 1:50:18
  determination. We give his all.
• 1:50:20
  He has a will and he literally is willing to hurt more than
• 1:50:25
  anybody else in the competition. His superpower, he doesn't care.
• 1:50:30
  He little doesn't care that how bad how much it hurts.
• 1:50:33
  He doesn't He doesn't factor that into the equation.
• 1:50:36
  In other words, his other superpower, not just that is the
• 1:50:39
  will, it's also his mindset. He he, he, he, he believes.
• 1:50:44
  He believes in himself. He believes in his his, his
• 1:50:47
  coaches. He believes in his his circle
• 1:50:49
  of, of support. He believes.
• 1:50:53
  The other thing is he's got heart.
• 1:50:55
  He just he what's on the inside that those those are
• 1:51:00
  superpowers. He's not an overly imposing
• 1:51:02
  figure. He ain't 62 like me.
• 1:51:03
  And, you know, he's like, you know, like you see some of these
• 1:51:06
  young, younger phenoms and some of them and I'm not, you know,
• 1:51:09
  throwing them. Don't change it any of them.
• 1:51:11
  But like you're like, oh, yeah, he looks like a pro where he
• 1:51:14
  look like there's a picture of of Princey running against Bryce
• 1:51:18
  Deadman. It is so funny.
• 1:51:20
  Like they're up against each other.
• 1:51:21
  Bryce is like my height and Quincy's like 5758 and they're
• 1:51:25
  side by side and it's the funniest looking thing ever
• 1:51:28
  because it's like this. It's like, it's like, it's like
• 1:51:32
  somebody. It's like he's he's, he's
• 1:51:33
  running underground. Because he's, he's, he's, he's
• 1:51:39
  just so much shorter, right? He's got to get mad at me for
• 1:51:41
  that. Good.
• 1:51:42
  Because you've been killing me. So, yeah, so that that's his
• 1:51:46
  superpower, man. And and and.
• 1:51:48
  So I'm not saying he's not a not a phenomenal athlete, certainly
• 1:51:51
  is, but a freakish athlete. He's not that.
• 1:51:53
  I think the distinction you're making that I'm here in any way
• 1:51:55
  is, you know, sometimes when we use the word freak athlete, it's
• 1:51:58
  like, oh, it comes easily because it's so genetically like
• 1:52:00
  it just comes easy. And and whether Quincy ran
• 1:52:03
  nothing at practice or ran the the actual workouts, he would
• 1:52:06
  run this anyway. It's like, oh, no, no, obviously
• 1:52:08
  he has genetic talent, but he also works extremely hard at it
• 1:52:11
  is what I do. What I hear you making a
• 1:52:13
  distinction of a freak athlete. So.
• 1:52:15
  Yeah, absolutely all. Right now the part.
• 1:52:17
  Now again because my ADD. Kicks in.
• 1:52:19
  What was the part for you? What?
• 1:52:22
  What is the offseason? Because now when people are
• 1:52:25
  listening to this, we're officially in offseason.
• 1:52:27
  There's no, I'm assuming he's not going.
• 1:52:29
  I assume there's diamond leagues or something after Olympics
• 1:52:31
  because our sport is weird like that.
• 1:52:32
  But the offseason is here. Now he starts putting his
• 1:52:35
  attention to 2025. What does the offseason regiment
• 1:52:38
  look like? I.
• 1:52:39
  Mean he's got to get ready for high school.
• 1:52:41
  These pros can go and they can kick their feet up and all that
• 1:52:45
  he's got, he's got he's got classes that are going to happen
• 1:52:47
  in a couple weeks. So he's going to rest, enjoy
• 1:52:49
  time with his family. He's probably going to eat some
• 1:52:52
  things that he's always going to eat all season.
• 1:52:54
  He's going to play a play a lot of Call of Duty.
• 1:52:56
  That's his thing. You know, he's very good at
• 1:52:58
  video games. Apparently I haven't challenged
• 1:53:00
  him yet and that I've challenged him in basketball and I won't
• 1:53:02
  tell it the result of that. But we he's he's he's going to
• 1:53:07
  have fun like a like a normal kid and finish the rest of his
• 1:53:09
  summer. His summer ends early because
• 1:53:11
  he's got obviously go back to school.
• 1:53:13
  You know and. You know, it gets to go back to
• 1:53:15
  school, I should say, you know, because, you know, education is
• 1:53:17
  first. Then, then we'll get back at it,
• 1:53:21
  you know, sometime in the fall and we'll start this fun ride
• 1:53:25
  all over again. You know, Joe, as I sit here and
• 1:53:29
  listen, you know we've been going now we're out of time by
• 1:53:32
  the way. So I'll make this quick, but you
• 1:53:33
  know we getting close to two hours you and I did two hours
• 1:53:36
  for your own specific. Journey and we always say we're
• 1:53:40
  not going to be this. Long.
• 1:53:41
  I know, I know, I know. I love it.
• 1:53:43
  What did I say before he records?
• 1:53:44
  Like I just won't even be an hour.
• 1:53:47
  But I tell you what. What's interesting, if I had the
• 1:53:49
  dedication to do this, I would, but you know I don't.
• 1:53:52
  I would love to go back. So maybe someone will do this.
• 1:53:54
  Go back and listen and count the number of times Jolie says fun.
• 1:54:00
  I think that's important because you know, sometimes, again,
• 1:54:04
  whether it's Internet or movies, etcetera, we think about these
• 1:54:06
  high level programs and no matter what sport, baseball,
• 1:54:08
  football, etcetera. And we think about the
• 1:54:10
  militaristic coach, the guy, you know, you know, Mike, we, we
• 1:54:14
  show up at 3:00 and you know, it's, it's balls to the walls
• 1:54:17
  for an hour and a half. And you know, if they miss, they
• 1:54:19
  do these blah, blah, blah. And I just heard the word fun
• 1:54:24
  over and over. And how do you keep them from
• 1:54:27
  peeking too early? You know what we we don't take
• 1:54:28
  ourselves too seriously. We have fun.
• 1:54:31
  How do you relate to the kids? You know, I asked them about the
• 1:54:33
  animes, though. It's having fun that I think is
• 1:54:37
  maybe the most important lesson in this whole thing that my
• 1:54:40
  paraphrasing here, not to take yourself too seriously, whether
• 1:54:43
  that kids running 46 or 56. I love that other kid that you
• 1:54:46
  shouted out, by the way, the the 62nd kid to 53 second, because
• 1:54:49
  to me that is as important. I know that kid doesn't get the
• 1:54:51
  accolades Quincy's getting, but dude, you're improving, You're
• 1:54:55
  helping that kid have positive experiences with our sport.
• 1:54:58
  That is equally important. It truly is.
• 1:55:02
  It's really is. I love that.
• 1:55:03
  So I just think that's a real lesson to take away is having
• 1:55:06
  fun with this. At the end of the day, it is a
• 1:55:08
  sport. At the end of the day, it's a
• 1:55:09
  high level sport and there's certainly money to be made and
• 1:55:12
  scholarships to be earned and things like that.
• 1:55:14
  But at the end of the day, man, if we're not having fun, no
• 1:55:16
  matter what you're doing, you're the coach, the athlete, me as
• 1:55:18
  the, the sales dude, If we're not having fun, what are you
• 1:55:21
  doing? Buy something else.
• 1:55:25
  It's not working if you're not having fun.
• 1:55:27
  So I love hearing that theme from you repeatedly, Joe.
• 1:55:31
  That's, that was, that's, it's real heartwarming.
• 1:55:32
  It makes me feel real good about him being in the in the right
• 1:55:35
  hands with the support system that he has coaching and family
• 1:55:38
  and friends and stuff. That's really cool, man.
• 1:55:40
  I love hearing that. Hey, man.
• 1:55:42
  Well, hey, that's, that's that's all I know.
• 1:55:44
  That's what we're doing. So we're going to keep doing it
• 1:55:46
  because it's working. Yeah.
• 1:55:47
  Certainly is. All right, Joe, thank you so
• 1:55:49
  much. Again, we really appreciate
• 1:55:50
  hearing this. You know, this is a unique
• 1:55:51
  aspect. Not many, not many.
• 1:55:55
  Do any high schoolers make the Olympics?
• 1:55:58
  It's so. Rare.
• 1:55:59
  I can't think of it off the top of my head.
• 1:56:02
  It's awesome to see a young man having success and and staying
• 1:56:07
  humble again. I think that's where he won the
• 1:56:08
  hearts of everybody was through his interviews besides what he
• 1:56:11
  was doing with his legs out there.
• 1:56:12
  So that was quite amazing. Again, by the time you're
• 1:56:16
  listening to this, you already know what the mix relay is going
• 1:56:18
  down. We're still got the 4x4 coming
• 1:56:20
  up. So who knows?
• 1:56:21
  We, you know, there's no, no telling if Quincy doesn't make
• 1:56:23
  an appearance there either, I'm not going to take it off the
• 1:56:25
  table. Joe would get mad at me if I did
• 1:56:27
  anyway. So, you know, this is not maybe
• 1:56:29
  just a mix relay thing. Who sees?
• 1:56:30
  Who knows what he'll do out there at the Olympics.
• 1:56:33
  We've already got you on wax. You're going to come back after
• 1:56:35
  the Olympics. Let's talk about that
• 1:56:36
  experience. This is an experience that
• 1:56:38
  hardly anybody ever gets to do. You're in a very small
• 1:56:41
  fraternity, my friend, someone who was coached an Olympian that
• 1:56:44
  is a very, very small fraternity.
• 1:56:46
  So we'll have you back and talk about that experience and what
• 1:56:50
  what was cool, what was not so cool, what surprised you And,
• 1:56:53
  and we'll already know the results and we'll talk about
• 1:56:55
  that a little bit as well. Does that sound good?
• 1:56:57
  Sounds like a plan my friend, I appreciate it.
• 1:56:59
  Awesome, guys. Thank you again for being here.
• 1:57:01
  Enjoy the Olympics. It's going on right now.
• 1:57:03
  It's the greatest of the pinnacle of our sport.
• 1:57:06
  And I think us supporting it is gonna be vital for the rest of
• 1:57:09
  the world. And Joe, we support you, man.
• 1:57:10
  All of us. From Gil.
• 1:57:11
  I'll speak for. I rarely do this.
• 1:57:13
  I'll speak for the entire track community, the entire Track
• 1:57:15
  World, the haters, the fans, everybody.
• 1:57:19
  We're praying for health, like go have fun, be healthy, come
• 1:57:23
  back. We just want to see putting on a
• 1:57:25
  show, baby. We just want to see a show,
• 1:57:27
  whether it's in Paris, whether it's at Penn, whether it's at a
• 1:57:30
  local dual meet, we don't care. We just want to see a show and
• 1:57:34
  we just appreciate being able to to watch the show from the
• 1:57:37
  sidelines, my friend. So we're rooting for you and
• 1:57:39
  praying for you guys for all things OK.
• 1:57:42
  Thanks, Mike. We appreciate it, man.
• 1:57:44
  We're going to go after it. Absolutely.
• 1:57:45
  All right, everybody, thanks for being here today.
• 1:57:47
  We appreciate you. Join us next week, we'll do it
• 1:57:49
  all over again and we'll have some fun.
• 1:57:50
  See you guys. If it goes to we appreciate the
• 1:57:53
  coach the ones that pour people most every season needs a voice
• 1:57:57
  of reason speaking the growth got a prep for you carry the
• 1:58:00
  load ice coffee to the soul. For those of us stay on the go
• 1:58:03
  proper handoff to stay in the zone which you packing for the
• 1:58:06
  road. There's more than one way to go
• 1:58:08
  taking notes that's paying you told it ain't practice if your
• 1:58:11
  purpose ain't clear, it can't happen to you.
• 1:58:13
  Listen, we're both is. You can't mentor without a
• 1:58:16
  mentor of experience. You can reinvent those years
• 1:58:19
  every plan's got to stand and deliver to and the price
• 1:58:22
  sacrifice can you give up you. It's a choice and a fight, not a
• 1:58:26
  win or lose. It's not a ploy boy device y'all
• 1:58:28
  can make more moves. It's not about how to it's all
• 1:58:31
  about why you don't know till you know who you are inside 6
• 1:58:35
  when you waste of time choose none.
• 1:58:36
  So y'all cross finish line. The work ain't done so we learn
• 1:58:39
  from the experts but y'all got to put in the leg work.