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Daniel Lynn | The Christian Reeve Podcast | #142 | · The Christian Reeve Podcast

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  Hello and welcome to another episode of the Christian re
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  podcast today's guests. Is a future podcast and content.
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  Marketeer all the way from Florida in the u.s.a., his name
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  is Daniel Lynn. Welcome to the show.
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  Daniel Hayden, I'm doing pretty well.
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  Considering it is a Wednesday. Thanks for having me.
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  Christian, what's wrong with Wednesday's?
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  Is it just the midweek? Hump or we know it's one of
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  those days that ends in a why I don't like to pigeonhole
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  specific days because bad things and good things happen on all of
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  them. That's a good point, actually,
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  it's funny, isn't it? Like you, you we have these
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  expectations of certain days and then they can end up being the
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  absolute worst and some days can take us by surprise.
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  It's yeah, it is what it is. I suppose when it comes to the
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  working, well, I suppose, I suppose, it depends what your
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  week is like for me I don't work Mondays, right?
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  Like I still work every day doing.
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  I'm just a bit of a workaholic, but in terms of like my day job,
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  if you want to call it that, I work like for A week and I do do
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  freelancing outside of that, but it's mainly those four days are
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  like, what keeps me going, right?
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  Yeah. And it's been interesting,
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  getting used to the idea of Tuesday, being the new Monday,
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  if you like and Monday having it off because now it changes
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  everything Sunday becomes second Saturday and Monday, the comes
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  Sunday, I guess it's an interesting strategy to because
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  most people opt for the Thursdays in the new Friday
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  version of a four-day work week. So yeah, imitating Mondays.
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  And then still keeping Friday where it is.
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  Not many people do that, I get where you're coming from.
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  Yeah, I mean when I was negotiating a originally because
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  it's contract work. So it's like that one downside
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  I'll say as well as I don't get days off in the sense that I
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  don't get high. Like so yeah if you want to be
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  freelance just disappear. Yeah you're working all the time
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  so it's a good thing. I'm yeah.
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  And there's a big significant downside.
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  Yeah I mean it's you know I'm at that stage of my life where it's
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  about the grind, you know, and I'm working on everything
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  outside of it. You know.
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  This is work. Not like I don't mean it in a
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  mean way. Like I love this and I want this
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  to be my work, if this was my job just to do this, it'd be
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  great. I'd be In heaven.
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  But in order to get to that point, you know, you still got a
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  grind and do the daily stuff and and keep going.
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  And that's how it is and I'm not complaining at all.
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  I'm very happy right now. I just want things to be better
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  as we audit, but what I will say on that is that it.
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  Yeah, it does change the dynamic, you're right.
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  And it's originally, I actually asked for the day off because I
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  used to do volunteering. I did volunteer in sort of
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  during the Well, I started towards the end of 2020.
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  Well, in 2021 throughout and then I sort of stopped beginning
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  of this year because I just have one more work going on.
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  And I've been doing it about a year and a half and I kind of
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  felt like I'd I'd not done enough because that sounds bad.
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  You can always do something, but I knew I needed to put more time
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  into doing this and everything else I want to do.
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  So, I had to make that sacrifice unfortunately, and I also wanted
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  to kind of where I had been dedicating that Monday for
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  volunteering every week for Year and a half and occasional other
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  days as well. I realized I'm not actually
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  getting to enjoy that day. Just as a day off, kind of
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  thing, right? Like taking advantage of it.
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  So that was part of my decision as well.
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  It was a lesser reason, but it was, you know, still like, hey,
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  occasionally maybe let's have a Monday off, you know?
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  Like that be interesting. Yeah.
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  When I was your age, the ability to, maybe not taking it as a day
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  off. Hmm.
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  But using it more, Or as if you put your extra day off, when
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  everybody else goes back to their thing, it limits your
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  distractions. And you can prepare for the week
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  to come in a way that most people don't get to.
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  I don't know, like this whole four-day working week in general
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  is an interesting concept like because as you mentioned most
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  people are trying to up for or are being given the Friday off,
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  right? And then Thursday becomes a new
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  Friday and I think personally I think it's a fantastic idea for
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  What week? It's anime it's amazing what one
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  day can do as far as. Like I honestly think the whole
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  five-day working week is hopefully a thing of the past is
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  pretty outdated. Yeah, I mean it should be but
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  based on results, you know, like I heard a comedian, had a really
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  interesting theory on the work week and if you just break it
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  down into the work week needs to be 40 hours.
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  A lot of companies played around with like Flex time, or as long
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  as you get all your, you can work whenever you want to as
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  long as you're working on your hours and get meeting your
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  metrics, this comedian, something like that but instead
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  of a four day or five day work, we said we should do a three-day
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  workweek you know do three days of 13 our work and based on the
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  principles of Being able to what you get in the zone of working.
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  You just work and keep a lot of days.
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  You like got work, you're doing and you just turn it off 5:00
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  going home. But if you don't do that, you
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  spend those three days, just hard productivity and you have
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  four days to recover your so. Well, rested for the three-day
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  grind again. I agree.
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  However, big caveat to this. There's actually someone in my
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  community that does this two or three days a week, she works in
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  in caring and stuff which is a very demanding role.
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  So, there is that I take that into account like notion.
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  Yeah, that. Yeah.
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  That kind of thing that kind of line.
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  Okay. So obviously, that is going to
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  be a very tough job, emotionally physically, in every single way,
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  right? however, she literally said,
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  what you just said, but it's like, The problem with it is.
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  First of all, the first day afterwards is recovery day.
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  Yeah, as soon as you're done with those three days to be
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  fair, it doesn't matter what job you do.
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  I mean, even if you were doing office job 13 hours, just for
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  argument's sake, you would still be exhausted after three days of
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  that, right? To then, get that day off, where
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  you would be resting, you're not gonna be able to get anything
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  done on that rest day. So, that's one day that you have
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  to kind of put aside a bit. Okay, that's a non day, right?
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  Just right. So then you've got how many days
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  left. So there's just three days of
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  work. One day.
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  Yes. You've got three days left right
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  now. Actually only get two days off
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  if you think about it, because then that last day becomes is
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  the site's the Sunday Blues thing, right?
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  I've owned o'mondays coming. However, it's exacerbated.
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  By the fact that not only do you have to return to work, you've
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  got three days of just intense long, long hours.
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  And I could relate to this because I used to work there,
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  Years ago, in hospitality and I would do back-to-back shifts
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  because I had to to make rent and everything else and I was
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  pulling crazy shifts like that sometimes more is doing 16 hour
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  days and the day before, you know, when I would finally get
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  some rest, I was like oh my God I got to work.
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  Like I don't know how many hours this week 60 70 hour weeks, like
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  you know, it was it was it was hard.
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  It was difficult to find the motivation.
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  In to keep going. You know, when the only
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  motivation is to live it's that will.
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  What am I even doing this for? Like, you know, you're okay to
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  live. Yeah, I know I have to do this
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  but it's like very easy to get caught in that and it starts
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  wearing one, you know? Yeah.
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  So like and that's that's the problem with these proposals.
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  It's like, yeah, it sounds great on paper, but when you start
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  actually doing it, It's just not realistic.
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  I mean, I suppose a big part of this is what you do for a
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  living. That's a really big part of
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  this, because as I do and how much you enjoy, it is another
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  big thing because you can spend 20 hours a week doing something
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  that makes you miserable and be completely exhausted every day.
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  Or you know, some people are happy to work, 60 70 hours a
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  week and still have difficulty putting their phone or the
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  computer down. Well that's the thing, I mean I
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  look at. Why do like for instance like
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  most of what I do for a living is Is like sales and marketing
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  and all that stuff, right? Like during the day and I love
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  it, I love it. I get to work from home.
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  You know, I've worked many years to get to this point.
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  I got nothing to complain about very happy but it is a slug
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  sometimes it's well, it's not slow compared to like years and
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  years and years ago, but it's kind of You still have to like
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  keep pushing yourself. Keep motivating yourself.
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  Keep, you know, mean, like, keep moving forward and I know
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  actually my the real point I want to make with this, is that
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  Physically. It's that's it's a slog, you
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  know, you still got put a lot of hours in to whatever you do for
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  work, right? So even if you love what you do
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  you still have to think about the fact that this is going to
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  take a certain amount of energy from me, you know?
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  So if you do have like a more physical the job or a more
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  mentally demanding job or whatever, I mean, you can love
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  it and it could be the best thing ever for you.
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  But you are still a human being and you need time to rest and
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  it's even more difficult to To rest when you're stubborn and,
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  you know, you like I know some time ago, our one more time,
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  I'll be fine. What it's like right now, I'm
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  pulling a bit of a crazy thing where I do my work, my day job,
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  I finish it. And then I do a podcast straight
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  afterwards and then I spend the whole evening editing it getting
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  it ready, Etc. So and I'm doing that for the
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  next God, like two three weeks, something like that day, after
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  day, after day after day after day, it's a grind.
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  And some of the people in my community will literally like,
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  dude you need to rest. You need to take a day off and I
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  know they're right. And I do say like, oh, it's
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  fine, I got this. And, you know, I'll be fine.
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  I'll be fine. But I am concerned about it
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  myself because I do I know I need to rest.
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  And like last night I went to bed. 12 p.m., and the younger
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  people in the audience would be like, that's nothing, right?
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  When you're older. This is just for all the younger
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  people. Listen.
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  If you're at, like, in your teens, listen to this.
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  You can't pull the whole staying up to 23 am thing anymore.
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  You have to get a consistent bedtime, which me?
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  Yeah, yeah, you got to put yourself to bed at like 10:00 or
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  11:00 disclaimer while you can function on four hours of sleep,
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  use that extra time, I've got to say, I'm in bed at 9:30.
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  I get up at 5:30 like it. It's not, it's just not
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  something I can do anymore if I. Like I literally, I feel
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  physically if I feel like I'm dying.
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  If I go three or more days without not getting enough sleep
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  strange, isn't it? How about that works?
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  Like the whole age thing? Like I went to look at a
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  wrestling event the other day and it's the first time I've
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  ever done it. So watch along but obviously,
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  because it's in America. Are in the UK.
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  The pay-per-view is at like it starts at 1 a.m. right?
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  Yeah. And finishes at like 5 a.m. or
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  something this for like free for our pay-per-view, right?
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  So I was fine for a while. But when it got to about 4 a.m.
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  I was struggling, I could barely keep my eyes open.
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  I was really really struggling and I was thinking like if I was
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  19, 20 21, no problem. I'd just stay up and go through
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  the next day before I went to bed back then.
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  Yeah. Like, you didn't, he's like,
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  yes, Sun's almost up. I will just sleep tomorrow.
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  Yeah, you D. I would literally go to like a
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  party like 2 or 3 a.m. go to bed.
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  Three hours wake up, go to seminars and I'd sit down below.
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  And then I'd have some of the third years that I was friends
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  with going like, dude, have you slept?
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  And I'm like, no. Like you should get some rest
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  online. I need to because I was trying
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  to party all the time, but also go to every single lecture and
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  seminar is insane. Good on you for making an effort
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  to actually go to your classes and dedicate yourself to
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  partying, because most people just like, well, Go to the next
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  lecture. Yeah, I don't advise that that
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  21. Yeah, I was the one who I would,
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  I would drive to the college. I would drive to myself to
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  college instead of going home and I would just catch a couple
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  hours sleep in the parking lot that way.
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  I knew I would make it to class. That's interesting, so because I
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  know that you're and we'll talk about this in a second.
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  You're, you're immature college students, who are studying
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  something now, but so yeah, this is this is your second degree
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  then. No, no, this is me finishing.
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  What I started 10 years ago. Okay, well let's let's talk
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  about it. Why are you studying what you
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  finishing off? What's the deal presently?
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  I'm by the end of this year, I'll have is a bachelor of
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  applied science in organizational business with a
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  specific Focus. Human resources and benefits of
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  maturity. I have witnessed several of my
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  friends and people I know they they did it all early.
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  They did it right? They succeeded achieved what
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  they would consider going to school to be their dream job and
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  then spend the next to 35 years in abject misery because their
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  dream job was awful. Like the title was what they
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  wanted, but But the actual function of the job and what the
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  Necessities were of Performing. The job was just awful.
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  And so like one of my dear friends went to school for media
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  production and she wanted to work for in the music industry
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  doing like promoting and working with record labels and things
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  like that. And she did it she was she got a
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  job with a start-up for an event.
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  A music event company that do Club promotions and music
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  festivals and things like that working directly for the, the
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  president of the company. And for four years was miserable
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  like, I hated every minute of it.
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  The only thing that made it worthwhile was, she was in a
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  sphere that she liked. So the environment was okay, but
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  the work environment was awful to co-workers, were not great.
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  And if your I see the guitar behind you familiar, At all with
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  the music industry. It's kind of a cesspool if
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  you're on the inside. Oh yeah, I'll just interject for
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  one second, like everything I'm hearing online.
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  Not just about the music industry, but Industries in
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  general, like seems like every major business industry just has
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  like some some skeletons and music especially he's got like
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  loads of them. Well me, any media industry
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  where the the cream of the crop is you become with Rich and
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  wildly famous. Mmm those All going to present
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  so many opportunities for people to be exploitive of one another.
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  So it just, it's putting yourself in an environment where
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  it's going to be more common, but having watched this happen,
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  I came to the realization that for most people and I think try
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  like to think of myself as somewhere in the mean for most
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  people the concept of a dream job in the happiness that comes
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  with. That dream job is kind of a pipe
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  dream. But there are many companies out
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  there that have adopted, what I would consider a dream culture.
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  So I'm pursuing Human Resources because every company in the
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  world needs Human Resources, the pay is fairly decent and I can
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  focus my job search on finding that dream culture.
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  And I'd rather do a boring job for a great company than
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  exciting and extravagant job for an Company.
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  Why Human Resources specifically what stands out about that
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  particular? No just that.
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  There's there's no company on the planet that does not benefit
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  from some sort of Human Resources function.
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  My I guess if I had to pick a dream function within Human
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  Resources, I would love to do like hi-hi focus on high-value
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  Talent acquisition. So like finding finding new
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  executives. Head hunting for very, very high
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  level Talent. I can see how that would be fun,
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  especially if you get to go like traveling to do it, you know
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  like I don't know conferences or something and you find people
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  and you know it's like our this is our next CTO and I over the
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  past couple of years with the whole Global plague and things
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  I'm a I'm a very social person, I interact with strangers all
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  the time, my wife's the exact opposite so it's nicer sometimes
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  is I can make a friend anywhere I go I get that from my dad
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  because he will talk to Anybody. Yeah.
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  But over the cold Global plague social distancing.
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  I've become very very anti-social.
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  Okay. And it's just the way Humanity
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  has devolved over the past three years.
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  It's not a happy thing and I've found that it's I have a belief,
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  it's like a, are you familiar with the concept called known as
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  the Pareto Principle? The 80/20 rule?
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  Yes, let's say kind of like a compounding of that. 20 percent
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  of humanity is not worth the time for any one person or no.
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  Sorry, reflect flip that 80% of humanity is just not worth your
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  time for any one person and it could be a different 80% for
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  each one person, but 80% of the people, you could possibly ever
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  encounter Probably not worth your time another take that.
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  Even further 80% of that remaining group are incompatible
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  for you as acquaintances. You're going to disagree too
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  heavily on too many things and then take that another 80
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  percent of those that are compatible, acquaintances are
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  not compatible as real. Like Diehard lifelong friends
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  that boils down to less than 1% of humanity is really, it's a
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  100. You've heard that phrase 1 and
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  100, people is really the quality for any one.
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  Person will meet your specific niche of what can be considered
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  a real one? I suppose It's Tricky, though,
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  isn't it? Because it depends on how
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  compromising you are as a person and how open you are?
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  Because I think if you're really so you'll really introverted or
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  you have like, very specific interests and you're not really
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  with Willing to, to Branch out of that do not.
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  I mean, that could make it more difficult.
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  But then, as you said, like, you know, yourself and your father
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  of the type of people that can get on with anyone.
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  And I think I've had a similar thing in that.
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  I feel that in general, I can make conversation with anyone.
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  I'm, I'm fairly quiet, like, unless I feel comfortable, I
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  don't tend to start conversation straight away with strangers.
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  Or even people, I know for that matter, but, but, yeah, it's
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  like a stir. Your you're actively seeking
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  conversations with strangers. It's just on your terms, well,
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  that's key. Yeah, no.
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  I know said, the medium is different forget like a real
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  life, totally different ballgame.
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  I will say this. That is fair.
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  I will say, it has actually made me better a conversation because
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  I listen more now which was a hard lesson that I learned when
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  I first did this. This because it's one thing, one
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  mistake we always make. And I've been criticized for
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  this in the past then I kind of I look at it as a positive and a
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  negative and it also depends on who, you know.
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  So that one criticism of had of people have had towards me as
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  oh, you you talk about yourself too much.
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  You share stories about yourself too much.
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  That's something that people's. So I know sometimes about me,
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  rubs people, the wrong way and Normally, when someone makes a
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  criticism like that, I tend to be kind of like, okay, fair
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  enough, I take it on board and in some cases, I have with the
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  podcast, I make sure to listen much more and I often tend to go
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  on how the vibe is. So if I got guess that's really,
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  really chatty, I let them lead it and I kind of just guide it a
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  little bit. Try to ask the right questions,
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  if my guest is a little bit quieter, I tend to lean into
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  that bit more and kind of try to lead the conversation.
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  Ation a bit more and provide better setups you know for
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  questions and go with that. But when it comes to this
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  particular criticism, that's just how I personally relate to
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  people. And I've met a lot of people
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  over the years that are like that too.
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  And I don't actually think there's a problem with that.
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  I think the problem connected with that is if in conversation,
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  if the only thing you talk about is yourself and you never show
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  any interest in the other person.
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  Sin or you never listen, never engage with them, that's when
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  it's a problem and I totally agree with that because if
• 22:18
  you're sitting there in a room with someone and all they do is
• 22:21
  go on about themselves or try and turn it back to themselves,
• 22:25
  I could that's frustrating and don't get me wrong.
• 22:28
  I have been guilty of that in the past, but not all the time,
• 22:31
  but I can see, like, even just a little bit of that.
• 22:34
  If someone else experiences that from you, and they get it from
• 22:38
  other people, it immediately makes it's them dislike you
• 22:41
  because it's like this person's narcissistic egotistical like
• 22:47
  that. All they care about is
• 22:48
  themselves kind of thing, right? Yeah.
• 22:51
  And so, that's a tricky one to try and navigate because it's
• 22:55
  like, you shouldn't be afraid to talk about yourself and, and
• 22:59
  share stories, because that's how we relate to other people.
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  But at the same time, it's getting the balance, right,
• 23:04
  isn't it? Yes.
• 23:08
  West. Yeah.
• 23:08
  That's That's I think it depends on as you said, depends on the
• 23:14
  environment and the particular medium.
• 23:16
  So, in like, in in this kind of format, if if I am my podcast, I
• 23:23
  have a guest on. I mean, the format's a little
• 23:25
  different because it's meant to be a discussion about something
• 23:28
  specific. But generally speaking interview
• 23:31
  style, as you said, you want to listen more than you talk,
• 23:36
  right? Because you're the, you're the
• 23:38
  host. So your audience, they know you,
• 23:40
  they About you but they come there for what you can extract
• 23:44
  from these people that you're bringing onto the show.
• 23:47
  So and like critical listening is one of the most under taught
• 23:53
  and underappreciated. I won't even call it a skill
• 23:56
  although some people do have to learn it, but it's nobody ever
• 24:00
  talks. I like critical critical
• 24:02
  thinking and learning math and memorizing things.
• 24:06
  A lot of things were taught, but they don't do.
• 24:10
  Do a whole lot on teaching, like children or adults the critical
• 24:15
  skills to listen with intent, right?
• 24:20
  Listen to understand as opposed to listening to respond as the.
• 24:25
  I mean, that's you've hit the nail on the head.
• 24:27
  The yeah, it's exactly that. I mean, I've had people in the
• 24:30
  past, say that about this show like things they like or
• 24:36
  whatever. Is one person said to me once I
• 24:39
  like the That you pay attention to your guests like you seem in
• 24:43
  the conversation. I'm and at first, I kind of
• 24:46
  laughed as I can, of course, but then I thought about it more and
• 24:48
  I said, you know what, that's a good point.
• 24:50
  Like there are a lot of shit not just podcast, but examples of
• 24:54
  that in life where someone is never really listening to you.
• 24:59
  Per se, they're just listening for what they need to hear that
• 25:03
  buzz words or their opportunity to jump in or, you know, and as
• 25:07
  I said before, I've been guilty of that before, like I used to
• 25:10
  To think that conversations were more about, just going back and
• 25:14
  forth and sharing stories and stuff.
• 25:16
  And even that criticism that I brought up before, like as much
• 25:19
  as I sort of disagree with the concept that you, you know, you
• 25:24
  shouldn't be allowed to, like, share stories to relate to
• 25:28
  people. I'm still going to do that, but
• 25:29
  I have taken that criticism to heart and I take it seriously
• 25:32
  because I think you know what if you can find a way to still do
• 25:37
  that but not annoyed people that's key.
• 25:39
  And the way I've done, With that is to basically wait until
• 25:44
  either theirs. sort of an opportunity to raise a story in,
• 25:49
  in a kind of A place that makes sense or if someone asks you,
• 25:56
  you know, and if you take this podcast is an example.
• 26:00
  It's like I said before, depends on the guest, depends on the
• 26:02
  situation but I tend to keep the stories in the discussions for
• 26:06
  when I do my own episodes where it's just me.
• 26:09
  And if it's, you know, if I have a guest on, I tried to focus on
• 26:14
  talking more about them speaking of which segue here, bring it
• 26:18
  back to Daniel. So do you want to know?
• 26:23
  You see how I did that. Let's talk a little bit more
• 26:26
  about this this college course you're doing.
• 26:28
  So I kind of find it interesting that you've taken this break.
• 26:31
  And I know the reasons why, but I want to kind of get sort of
• 26:35
  your kind of story. So you started this originally,
• 26:38
  when you were 18, 19, something like that fresh out of high
• 26:42
  school, I went to the local community college or Junior
• 26:45
  College. I'm not sure the term they use
• 26:47
  in the UK if there even is such a thing or it's a college degree
• 26:56
  is broken into associates degree and then bachelor's degree.
• 26:59
  So it's like the first half of the Bachelors is your
• 27:01
  Associates. And that's what community
• 27:03
  colleges for. You can cut first two years and
• 27:05
  then you transfer to a bigger college for the rest of your
• 27:08
  degree. It's cheap.
• 27:09
  Oh yeah. Yeah.
• 27:11
  I know. We have the same thing here in
• 27:13
  the UK. I think in the UK it's like a
• 27:17
  you do like a diploma or you do. Yeah.
• 27:21
  The exact same to a comic book it's called but yeah you do two
• 27:23
  years and then the final year is the official in the green.
• 27:26
  But the whole thing together is a big race, just a different way
• 27:29
  of doing it. So it's super beneficial for
• 27:32
  like I was a poor kids so I got financial aid that was you know
• 27:36
  I was I think five thousand dollars a year.
• 27:40
  So it's like $2500 a term full-time classes and books
• 27:45
  included as opposed to as opposed to twenty Thirty fifty
• 27:50
  thousand dollars. It's a term or year depending on
• 27:53
  what college you go to but that I mean that does cover other
• 27:57
  things like room and board and food can get very expensive, but
• 28:01
  college is a whole other subject.
• 28:04
  So I started fresh out of high school at that college.
• 28:08
  I made the Dean's List. My first semester second
• 28:11
  semester, I was, you know, average third semester a little
• 28:15
  above average and then my, my end of my second year of
• 28:19
  college. I I needed one more.
• 28:23
  I wasn't needed an additional term after that to finish my
• 28:26
  associates degree. My long-term girlfriend broke up
• 28:30
  with me and I was moving across the country and a whole bunch of
• 28:33
  things just coalesced into me, bailing on my last term, like,
• 28:39
  all my finals in my last term and just dumping it for a few
• 28:43
  years. I've taken a class or two here
• 28:45
  or there over the preceding, she's been coming up on 15 years
• 28:53
  M16, it's been a while and I finally once my wife finished
• 29:00
  her college degree and started actually putting that to use,
• 29:05
  then I dove back in full time and finishing mine.
• 29:13
  We don't have any kids. So we're going for what they
• 29:15
  call the the dink or Tink to income.
• 29:20
  No kids. Um, having all the money and
• 29:23
  none of the expenses leads to being somewhat comfortable, even
• 29:28
  with the current economic status of the world.
• 29:32
  Well, we didn't have any, we adopt a 13 year old last year.
• 29:35
  Oh, congrats. But I at this point, it's I'm
• 29:39
  still against traditional employment.
• 29:43
  It doesn't, it's never rang fit in my brain.
• 29:46
  And that's the whole radical honesty thing backfires in the
• 29:50
  work environment because almost every day, there's an
• 29:54
  opportunity for you to Just shut up, just do your work, just move
• 29:59
  on, just let it go. And I it is a personal flaw that
• 30:05
  comes with that commitment that I I just, I do not, I don't lie,
• 30:11
  I don't fabricated. I'd even a white lie.
• 30:12
  I don't lie to spare, someone's feelings, it's difficult and
• 30:18
  understandably. So I get labeled as kind of a
• 30:20
  jerk sometimes. And I don't mean anything by it.
• 30:24
  Like I'm a bigger guy. It doesn't offend me if to be
• 30:29
  identified as hey, that guy, you know, he's kind of fat, he's got
• 30:32
  long hair, neckbeard like these are descriptive features of me.
• 30:36
  It's not insulting because it's a fact, but other people don't
• 30:42
  have like, I understand the flaws of it, but I grew up
• 30:46
  getting lied to a lot and a lot of broken promises by parents.
• 30:50
  So that's where that guy. Just No, I don't lie to anyone
• 30:54
  for any reason. How did you learn to to overcome
• 31:00
  that? Because, of course, if you're
• 31:01
  growing up in an environment where that's what you'll
• 31:05
  present, it it would be very easy to kind of continue.
• 31:10
  Accepting that as normal behavior.
• 31:12
  Like how did you firstly recognize that, that was not the
• 31:15
  way things should be. And then secondly, like how did
• 31:18
  you overcome that? And sort of make the decision
• 31:20
  that I'm going to be honest and maybe two to the nth degree to a
• 31:24
  full, maybe around a little bit too far in the other direction.
• 31:28
  Honestly, I'm not entirely sure. It wasn't like malicious lies.
• 31:36
  It was like broken promises. Like, oh, we're finally going to
• 31:39
  go do that thing. This year that we've been
• 31:41
  talking about doing every year and never did that thing I do
• 31:46
  use on birthdays or Christmas and never got fulfilled.
• 31:50
  And I'm also, this might come as no surprise, but I'm a very like
• 31:56
  non materialistic. Person gifts.
• 32:00
  Gifts are difficult for me. I love buying gifts for people.
• 32:04
  If I have the ability to like this would be the perfect gift
• 32:08
  for that person. That's something they I would
• 32:10
  have never thought of something, they're definitely not going to
• 32:12
  get for themself and I like doing that and I really
• 32:16
  appreciate it in return. Like I really believe the
• 32:20
  thought does count. If you put some thought into it,
• 32:23
  there has to be more than I thought of you and I bought you
• 32:26
  this thing while I was checking out at the store, you know?
• 32:29
  I appreciate it. Thank you.
• 32:32
  But you can put a lot of thought into something that cost
• 32:35
  absolutely nothing and it means a lot.
• 32:38
  Hmm. Yeah.
• 32:40
  Niagara acted like your initial question.
• 32:42
  I'm not, I'm not sure. That I ever had.
• 32:50
  Something to actually get over because I just grew up being
• 32:55
  honest. I was fairly well-behaved.
• 32:57
  I always toed the line of getting in trouble.
• 33:00
  Like if I go just this far, I won't face any penalties but if
• 33:04
  I step one more step further than I will.
• 33:07
  So I had a lot of friends who are delinquents, but I didn't
• 33:10
  partake in the things. All my friends started smoking,
• 33:13
  marijuana in their teens and I never took part in it and
• 33:17
  drinking and partying and I remained friends with them.
• 33:20
  I never. Experience the peer pressure,
• 33:22
  but that was the honesty. I just told him, like if this
• 33:26
  becomes a thing, I'm going to decline.
• 33:30
  I have I have no reason to out you or anything over it.
• 33:37
  I just, you know, I'm going to decline.
• 33:38
  I'll let you know that ahead of time.
• 33:40
  If I ever come around to wanting to do any of this, I know who to
• 33:44
  come to, I'll let you know and I was blessed enough to have
• 33:48
  friends who respected that And also didn't like abandoned me
• 33:53
  because I wasn't one of them. It's Randall.
• 33:57
  It like the it just it just built from there like both my
• 34:04
  parents were less than upstanding citizens.
• 34:09
  Growing up. I tell people all the time, I
• 34:11
  was raised by a pack of feral bikers or hum.
• 34:15
  And There's a very Stark difference.
• 34:19
  I have a younger brother. He's only two years younger than
• 34:21
  I am but he were Polar Opposites.
• 34:26
  When it comes to, the directions are life.
• 34:27
  Have life is gone. I always, you know, whatever the
• 34:32
  requirements of me to maintain the freedom to do, what I want
• 34:34
  to do. I got a I got a call and check
• 34:36
  in every couple hours. Okay, got that I'll do that.
• 34:40
  Don't do this or get caught doing this, don't don't break
• 34:44
  things, don't steal. Don't don't break the law.
• 34:46
  Law. I don't get caught breaking.
• 34:49
  Well, I don't break any significant laws, like speeding.
• 34:52
  You know, I got my first speeding ticket a week after I
• 34:54
  got my license, I lost my car for two weeks.
• 34:57
  Oh, you know, I didn't stop me from speeding, I just got better
• 35:00
  at it, fair enough. But my brother, he was always
• 35:06
  the what, like pressing those boundaries every time he did
• 35:09
  something small and didn't get caught.
• 35:10
  He did something bigger than next day, something, but until
• 35:13
  he got caught and then it reset. And then he Thought it went
• 35:17
  further and further and further, and but he's also, he's also a
• 35:24
  really honest person, like, he pulls no punches about who he is
• 35:28
  and his foibles, he's dealt with drug addiction.
• 35:32
  And very, very bad relationships, and crime and
• 35:37
  he's very honest about it. And to his fault as well, his
• 35:42
  honesty about it, is often a detriment to him when it comes
• 35:45
  to things like When he's trying to find a newer better job.
• 35:48
  He's, he's very open about that and that it's now behind him.
• 35:54
  I'm very proud of him because he has finally took him much longer
• 35:58
  to get to the point where he's put that behavior behind him.
• 36:01
  But he's also very honest about it.
• 36:04
  And I don't know where the two of us get that other than like I
• 36:10
  said, both of us growing up were constantly disappointed in
• 36:16
  things being Being said and not coming to fruition.
• 36:20
  It's amazing to me. How and not always, I am kind of
• 36:24
  generalizing little bit here, but like how telling the truth
• 36:29
  has become like, like, it can become like a bad thing like
• 36:34
  almost like, I mean, as we said, like, you know, you describe it
• 36:38
  as the radical truth, you know, having to be apologetic for
• 36:42
  telling the truth. Like Shirley telling the truth,
• 36:44
  should always be just the right thing to do, you know, even You
• 36:49
  can, you can keep things to yourself.
• 36:52
  Sometimes I think is I think more people should exercise
• 36:55
  that. Sometimes, you know, that is
• 36:56
  key. That was a hard lesson that I
• 36:58
  had to, you know, find the right volume for.
• 37:02
  But that's the thing though. Like, I don't understand this
• 37:05
  cunt. Like they'll be people that I
• 37:07
  know, for instance, that sometimes say that the preface
• 37:09
  what they're saying, go like going, okay?
• 37:12
  You've asked for my opinion, his the truth.
• 37:15
  I don't get offended by or don't, you know?
• 37:17
  However, and I'm like, no, I always Appreciate honesty.
• 37:21
  You know, because honesty is better than a lie.
• 37:24
  You know, Ally doesn't do anything for you.
• 37:26
  Ally presents, a false post truth, it presents a false
• 37:31
  reality and I think there's yeah you need to hear the truth, you
• 37:34
  know, as soon as I hear I heard a thing the other day it was it
• 37:37
  was nailed on the head about Ally was a, a clip on Instagram
• 37:43
  or something from another, from a podcast, or YouTube channel,
• 37:46
  but this guy was talking about lying.
• 37:47
  He said, He said people need to understand and perhaps they
• 37:52
  would lie less. When you lie to someone you are
• 37:56
  robbing them of their reality. You are presenting them with a
• 38:01
  false reality and stealing part of reality from them.
• 38:06
  Should they believe that truth? It should be looked at as bad as
• 38:09
  theft because that's in essence in a philosophical sense.
• 38:13
  You are stealing some of their reality from them for who knows
• 38:17
  how long Damn, that's a good. That's a great Point ice,
• 38:22
  especially if you look at it from an extreme perspective,
• 38:25
  like sometimes the truth can or Ally sorry can lead to
• 38:30
  devastating consequences like you know maybe even fatal like
• 38:34
  people that people have to think about that.
• 38:35
  Sometimes like people will act on the knowledge they have.
• 38:38
  So if you tell someone a lie and then they act on that lie, not
• 38:42
  knowing the truth. That it's a lie.
• 38:44
  It could lead to something catastrophic and that would be
• 38:47
  on you. you, because you told them that lie, you told them,
• 38:50
  and they believed you, and they went with it, you know, and it's
• 38:53
  so crazy to think that to think about, you know, Yeah, do you
• 38:58
  also have to be able to delineate between what is
• 39:02
  objectively true and what is my truth?
• 39:06
  You can't you can't present your truth on to someone else.
• 39:08
  As fact because that's projection and that can be
• 39:12
  equally as harmful. And as those are, those are the
• 39:15
  ones you have to filter the most.
• 39:16
  Like if something is objectively, true, like me and
• 39:20
  five other people at a random circumstance, what all arrived
• 39:22
  at that same truth and it's For the most part objectively true.
• 39:26
  But if it's just something based on my perception because of my
• 39:29
  experience, Then those are the kind of things you should really
• 39:34
  think, before sharing his, the things ref is heavily, right?
• 39:39
  But like, sometimes that's unavoidable, like, for example,
• 39:43
  let's say five people in the same room and they see an
• 39:47
  inventor of unfold, and then they get all get asked about
• 39:51
  that same thing. All those five people are going
• 39:53
  to have a different perception of what happened and as you say,
• 39:57
  that will be there truth and none of none of them.
• 40:02
  Necessarily A like I suppose some of them could choose to lie
• 40:05
  if they want but let's just say for argument's sake.
• 40:11
  There were security cameras there and they they say
• 40:13
  everyone's L Bar and and they know that there's security
• 40:17
  cameras there. So there's no point lying
• 40:19
  because you'd see it there, right?
• 40:21
  And they just didn't want to go home.
• 40:22
  Okay, so then you question those people making the him even more
• 40:26
  of a intensely serious situation.
• 40:28
  But yeah, let's say yeah. Five people have been questioned
• 40:31
  about it in a police station, right?
• 40:32
  And they all tell the truth but they'll tell their truth.
• 40:36
  And then the police officers would be like, well, you know,
• 40:41
  when we looked at the security cameras, it reflected this and
• 40:43
  you could be like, well, I mean, when I was looking at it, it
• 40:47
  looked like this to me. And then just so I'm saying said
• 40:51
  sometimes it's like you can you can be telling the truth and
• 40:53
  it's okay. Your is the truth but it's your
• 40:58
  perception of it and your perception of it isn't
• 41:01
  necessarily reality and it's just like but sometimes you
• 41:04
  can't avoid that. It's just how you see the world
• 41:08
  or how you interpret things you know it's a kind line.
• 41:13
  Yeah. Like so airtight like a delicate
• 41:15
  delicate balance they strike. I mean I can't That I'm perfect
• 41:20
  at it but who is you know let me know we all we all try to get
• 41:24
  better at the things that are important to us.
• 41:27
  Today, just go back to your college studies.
• 41:31
  Like how does it? How does it compare being a
• 41:33
  mature student versus, you know, when you were studying when
• 41:37
  you're younger, like what the key differences?
• 41:40
  The key difference is for me is my, my level of organization
• 41:46
  actually hasn't gotten that much better.
• 41:48
  My my ability to sit down and just do the work.
• 41:52
  Yeah. Is better.
• 41:55
  I still procrastinate. That hasn't changed.
• 41:59
  I haven't attended a class in person since the plague started.
• 42:03
  Mmm, everything went to online and I was never for online
• 42:07
  classes on principle, and perhaps it was knowing myself at
• 42:14
  the time or at least Downing myself to the point where I
• 42:17
  didn't think I could do online classes, because of my lack of
• 42:20
  motivation and disorganization and just any number of things
• 42:25
  where I have to go. like get online, do the work, do the
• 42:30
  learning and without actually going to the environment, but as
• 42:36
  it became a thing that was basically required, I just had
• 42:41
  to jump into it and I've I've gotten better at at that now
• 42:46
  when I was still going in person though, back to the original
• 42:49
  question, I, it was just looking at it from the other side of the
• 42:54
  coin, because at a junior college, a community, City
• 42:57
  College. Many of like, there is a vast
• 43:00
  cross-section of fresh out of high school all the way to
• 43:03
  people who have been retired for years taking classes at
• 43:06
  community college's because it's fairly affordable and some
• 43:10
  people just continue their education because they, they
• 43:13
  want to some people never got a degree, they're already
• 43:16
  successful, but that's the thing they never checked off and some
• 43:20
  people like myself now are just, they haven't finished it yet and
• 43:24
  it's time to do it. So now I'm looking at it.
• 43:28
  From the other side, go to class and particularly night classes.
• 43:31
  A lot of older students of my classes older students and party
• 43:35
  students take night classes. But now, as an as an adult
• 43:40
  taking these classes, the ones that I did take in person were
• 43:46
  night classes. So I go to these and I'm I'm in
• 43:49
  a class, there's some people my age couple people little older
• 43:52
  and then about half of them are 10 years younger than I am.
• 43:56
  If that's got be a really bleep weird blend of people like how
• 43:59
  does that work? Strangely aside from, you know,
• 44:06
  when you go on a break in the middle of class or after class,
• 44:09
  when you're talking with classmates, or sometimes you
• 44:12
  have group projects and you'll have to meet with each other mmm
• 44:16
  on the on the basis of like education and the class it's
• 44:20
  really we already have that ice breaker of, we all have this
• 44:24
  thing in common, it's the same exact objective, it's past this
• 44:26
  class. And I never went beyond that or
• 44:32
  like, hey, let's go out for drinks or go to this Rave or
• 44:35
  something like that. So, I didn't.
• 44:40
  To me it was you know if I had something useful to offer as far
• 44:45
  as knowledge or information or experience goes, I was happy to
• 44:49
  but we're all basically in the same place in our educational
• 44:54
  Journey, taking these classes. And we're all at this point, I'm
• 45:00
  beyond the two-year degree. So we're taking more tailored
• 45:03
  classes. So we're all kind of chasing the
• 45:07
  same end goal as well. Even though we're older younger.
• 45:11
  I always personally, I pushed myself towards the younger
• 45:18
  people in my classes but that's just because I want to stay
• 45:25
  plugged in to what's happening. What's developing, and what's
• 45:30
  what's new? And what could potentially be
• 45:33
  affecting me? It works socially in the coming
• 45:38
  years. My favorite thing about having
• 45:41
  adopted a 13 year old as I have a very young generation.
• 45:44
  Like, I think they're calling that generation of digital
• 45:46
  Natives and the workspace, like the ones just beyond gen Z
• 45:51
  because they've never lived in a world without constant
• 45:53
  connectivity. She's right.
• 45:57
  I swear, it's crazy to think about.
• 45:58
  Yeah. When you think about what that
• 46:00
  means and the expectations you have, I mean, II can remember
• 46:04
  when the internet, or I'm sure you remember to when it was, it
• 46:07
  would take about half an hour of things to load and Before the
• 46:10
  internet. You know, I remember before
• 46:11
  that. Yeah.
• 46:13
  And now to direction to the internet was third grade.
• 46:16
  If it strikes me now even okay, although I can remember a time
• 46:20
  when things look like that. If a video takes less than, you
• 46:24
  know, a couple of seconds to load.
• 46:25
  I'm pissed. I'm like, what the hell?
• 46:28
  What's going on? And I need to cool.
• 46:29
  The ISP that, what the fuck? Why is this happening
• 46:34
  unacceptable? Alexander side that's changed
• 46:36
  that expectation. Yeah, and I like I said, I try
• 46:41
  to stay plugged into what's coming.
• 46:43
  And so I spend a lot of time online at trying to get into
• 46:48
  this, this fear of content production, digital marketing,
• 46:52
  and content, content, marketing specifically, But there's a very
• 46:59
  large population of people in a completely two generations away
• 47:03
  from me now. There's you know there's 13, 14
• 47:05
  year-old kids making hundreds of thousand dollars on internet.
• 47:09
  Tell me. But like what why, why am I not?
• 47:15
  So I know, I know what you mean. I don't know you indicate with
• 47:18
  these the people who are much younger than I am.
• 47:23
  And they're doing things that I want to be doing.
• 47:28
  So at some point, it's going to it's a reality that I'm going to
• 47:32
  have to learn something from someone in that space.
• 47:37
  Mmm. So I want to, I want to know how
• 47:40
  to communicate with because generational differences exist
• 47:44
  when it comes to communication. And I like, I understand how to
• 47:48
  communicate with, you know, Baby Boomers and gen xers.
• 47:51
  I get that I was raised by them and unfortunately, I don't
• 47:55
  communicate with them all that much because the way they demand
• 47:58
  Younger people communicate with them.
• 48:01
  So I want to be able to communicate with those who now
• 48:05
  that I'm over 30. I feel like the up and coming
• 48:08
  generation offers me more ongoing value and it's also more
• 48:13
  difficult task to maintain that level of, communicative ability
• 48:20
  because it's everything changes so fast with them and nothing,
• 48:23
  like even with Millennials, like, pretty much concrete at
• 48:26
  this point. There's not a whole lot that
• 48:28
  changes. I think you make a really good
• 48:31
  point. I almost feel like there's an
• 48:32
  obligation of every generation to make a commitment to
• 48:39
  understanding the, the, you know, the Next Generation and so
• 48:43
  on so forth because, you know, I've noticed the same thing with
• 48:46
  Boomers and it's like, you know what, like the world is
• 48:49
  different. The world has changed the world.
• 48:51
  You knew you grew up in, you raised, your children is not the
• 48:56
  same world, I mean, he'll the world is different from 20 years
• 48:59
  ago. I was growing up like as it is a
• 49:01
  teenager and and and like I it's bittersweet, you know, it's just
• 49:07
  how change Works how life works but at the same time it's like
• 49:11
  no this this is what it's all about.
• 49:13
  It's about adapting to change. It's about it.
• 49:17
  I spoke about this in the previous episode but it's like
• 49:20
  really important that we understand what that means.
• 49:23
  It's not just about understanding that we need to
• 49:25
  change. Its understanding that you can't
• 49:28
  apply the same principles. Yes, to everything.
• 49:31
  So, for example, when you get like When you're raising a
• 49:35
  child, I mean I can but I'm not a parent but I reckon you'll
• 49:38
  probably agree with this point. Like you can't really.
• 49:42
  You have to always keep in mind that you're teaching them based
• 49:47
  on what you know, but what you know is based on, you know, your
• 49:52
  life experience, what your parents taught you, but like the
• 49:55
  world that you grew up in doesn't exist anymore, you know,
• 49:59
  and it's you're preparing your children for the next world or
• 50:02
  the current world as it is. Chains.
• 50:04
  And it's always changing its, you do your breasts, but you
• 50:07
  know, bring it back to what we were talking about.
• 50:09
  It's like You're obligated, and it's a must to understand how
• 50:16
  things work. Even the things that people
• 50:20
  find, you know, entertaining, like I think the problem with
• 50:25
  the Boomers in many ways is that and I'm not saying all that, all
• 50:30
  of them because there are many Boomers that adapt very well.
• 50:33
  And, you know, crikey, the amount of people I've had on my
• 50:36
  show from older Generations from the boomer generation who've
• 50:39
  adapted so well and just just get it.
• 50:42
  They like yet. No, I need to step up my game
• 50:43
  and just understand this Social Media stuff.
• 50:45
  And I'm working, and they do it to perfection.
• 50:49
  The reason why they've done it well, is because they put that
• 50:52
  time and effort into understand why these things work and to
• 50:56
  make a conscious effort to adapt to that, you know, they, they
• 51:00
  have so much to offer every generation has something to
• 51:03
  offer and will always have something to offer, but you've
• 51:06
  got to adapt to the world in front of you.
• 51:09
  You know, you got to react to that.
• 51:11
  Like, hell, I remember back just, just one more Point.
• 51:15
  Like, yeah, with the whole Tick-Tock thing, you know, I
• 51:18
  Criticized it just like everyone else did.
• 51:21
  And now, look at it. Now, it's one of the most
• 51:23
  downloaded apps in the world of people are using it.
• 51:26
  For all sorts of things, including what we do podcasting
• 51:29
  and also marketing. So, it's, it's essential, you
• 51:32
  got, you got to be on top of things and you're obligated to
• 51:35
  do so yeah. All the all the, the whole
• 51:39
  Facebook for business thing never really landed with me,
• 51:43
  right? You want to build a page, A
• 51:45
  Different Page than your other one specifically for your
• 51:48
  business and Do basically the same thing but just brand it
• 51:53
  differently and that was like, okay I get the concept but it's
• 51:57
  this is just Facebook. I just tell people that I do
• 52:00
  business on my regular face place and then the short form
• 52:04
  came back with Tick-Tock right? You remember Vine obviously hmm.
• 52:10
  Well Tick-Tock came out. It's like it's like the new
• 52:13
  Vine, you know, it's music dances, you know, short form
• 52:16
  content. Some of it's funny some of its
• 52:18
  annoying So it's cringe but then almost overnight while I was
• 52:25
  busy looking away from it because I didn't care.
• 52:29
  It became the fastest way for somebody to generate an audience
• 52:34
  and build a business and as simple as make something of even
• 52:40
  moderate value every day, like it's as much effort as a really,
• 52:47
  really remedial Part time job. And that's that's like the
• 52:53
  starting point. I just people there's people
• 52:55
  making a full-time income right now.
• 52:57
  Just teaching, people that principle Using Tick Tock,
• 53:02
  Instagram, Snapchat, whatever some sort of short form, social
• 53:05
  media, and even YouTube, but do this every day.
• 53:12
  Good bad ugly doesn't matter. Do this every day for 60 days,
• 53:19
  90 days, six months, whatever, and from start to finish, you
• 53:24
  will generate something. But that's an it's a universally
• 53:29
  applicable principle. But it's so.
• 53:36
  Tick-Tock the short form video and Instagram has their own
• 53:39
  form. Now, Snapchat YouTube has their
• 53:41
  short videos. Now, it's such an insane.
• 53:45
  What's the word Insidious? It's such an Insidious little
• 53:51
  form of media that you pick it up everywhere.
• 53:53
  Like I found that half the time. If I open YouTube, I will close
• 53:58
  YouTube without having ever watched an actual video because
• 54:01
  there's a row of shorts, right at the top of my feed and like,
• 54:05
  oh, Looks interesting. Pick that up.
• 54:07
  Oh look, there's another one. Oh look, there's another one and
• 54:10
  it just keeps going and you know triggers part.
• 54:14
  There's a lot of Neuroscience that goes along with it,
• 54:16
  triggers the dopamine receptors, and that new thing, new thing,
• 54:18
  new thing. But it were if you're using it
• 54:23
  as opposed to consuming it, it's so valuable.
• 54:25
  And I that was that was the me being too old for technology
• 54:30
  moment that I will never ever let myself forget because I saw
• 54:33
  it and I was like, at school. It's not for me.
• 54:37
  And I missed it. I missed the train that see
• 54:40
  that's a two-fold thing because I was guilty of the same thing.
• 54:42
  I think we all were, I think, I mean, I love the vine, but I
• 54:46
  looked at Tick-Tock has like our it's not, it's not going to be
• 54:48
  the new Vine, it's just like dancing up for kids.
• 54:52
  And then inevitably, here's the deal, a bunch of people hopped
• 54:56
  onto the app who had vision and saw like, we could do something
• 55:00
  different with this and that's the key.
• 55:03
  You know, it's people that have that Vision, who take that risk
• 55:05
  who Who jump on it and try something with it, you know?
• 55:10
  I mean when I look at everything that I do on took talk and stuff
• 55:15
  like that, the stuff that got me the most views would just like
• 55:20
  silly things, you know, just like Little Stitches here and
• 55:23
  there a silly voice here and there you know like all because
• 55:27
  some reason me complaining about workplace stuff got so many
• 55:30
  views obviously because it's divisive.
• 55:33
  It gets be relatable relatability.
• 55:36
  I'll go on. That baits, like you get people
• 55:38
  talking or you get people annoyed, something like that.
• 55:41
  These are great ways to engage with people.
• 55:43
  But yeah, as you said, relatability is key.
• 55:45
  And I think that's why the people that are most successful
• 55:48
  on that app and others are more tapping into culture at the
• 55:56
  time. Like, there's this guy, I think
• 55:58
  it his name's Isaac or something, he's a British guy, I
• 56:04
  don't even know how to describe him.
• 56:05
  I just British. Shhhh kind of, you know, I can't
• 56:11
  even begin to explain this guy but let me put it this way.
• 56:14
  He has like a particular brand or style and it's like Clearly
• 56:21
  all sarcastic and just over the top and silly.
• 56:24
  But it connects with people, it connects with this younger
• 56:27
  generation and I think it's because he's clicked and figured
• 56:32
  out, okay? This is how to communicate with
• 56:34
  them. They like this, let's go with
• 56:36
  this. Let's keep going with this, and
• 56:38
  he gets it and I do the same with my content here and there.
• 56:41
  Like I put this stuff like I've got, like, two accounts that I
• 56:44
  were three if you count the podcast one but never gets
• 56:47
  anywhere but there's like too. Main accounts.
• 56:50
  I got one which is like Trend hopping.
• 56:52
  I just jump on everything. Have a laugh.
• 56:54
  Have fun. That's actually just enjoying it
• 56:56
  and I just put random stuff on there and then the main account,
• 56:59
  I, you know, I put effort into it, like I make music acting
• 57:05
  whatever and those those videos rarely ever get views.
• 57:08
  They get views but not like big views because it's people don't.
• 57:14
  Come on to those apps necessarily for like proper
• 57:17
  proper content. They come You said to show fix
• 57:20
  mucking around fun, you know, there's more interactivity than
• 57:26
  ever before on this app because we're is like YouTube back in
• 57:29
  the day. You know, it was just, there
• 57:32
  would be a bunch of creators on there.
• 57:34
  But not, everyone was a Creator. You know, a lot of people would
• 57:37
  just watch it. Like, I did the same.
• 57:39
  You I didn't have. I think I had a YouTube account,
• 57:41
  but like I never really posted anything on it.
• 57:44
  Safe for like, occasional skateboarding, like, video and a
• 57:48
  video on YouTube in 2007-2008. Because I had to, I had to do a
• 57:56
  speech in one of my college classes and I the best way I
• 58:01
  could think of, by to present it because it was an online class
• 58:06
  was to record it and put it on YouTube.
• 58:08
  Sent the link to my teacher. Look.
• 58:09
  Here it is. You got?
• 58:10
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 58:12
  I can't, I don't think it exists anymore or if it does.
• 58:15
  I can't find it because it was titled poorly or Untitled.
• 58:19
  Is this was before people got paid for YouTube, there were no
• 58:22
  ads or any of that stuff. So you know, who knows?
• 58:27
  But yeah, it's interesting like how people every almost
• 58:33
  everyone's a Creator in a sense, or there's a lot more
• 58:37
  interactivity that goes on now. And yes, I think that makes it a
• 58:41
  lot harder as a content creator to grow.
• 58:46
  Like I've I'm in a stagnant position myself at the A moment.
• 58:50
  And I've gone through all sorts of emotions, I felt bad about
• 58:54
  it. I got angry of it frustrated
• 58:56
  with it. Now, I'm just calm, I'm happy.
• 58:58
  I'm just like, you know what? I keep doing my thing and
• 59:00
  whatever happens happens. I'm okay, but I do recognize why
• 59:05
  it doesn't work and I recognize there are things I could do to
• 59:08
  change that, but I don't want to continuously Only do.
• 59:15
  Stuff to get views. I don't like that idea.
• 59:18
  I want to still create the things that I want to create and
• 59:21
  that makes it harder. You know, that makes you less
• 59:25
  accessible. Like, even what would what we're
• 59:27
  doing podcasting. It's it's tough to get into, you
• 59:30
  know, I've been doing this close to two years now and I'm still
• 59:35
  struggling to build that audience.
• 59:37
  It's hard and you know, I'll keep going because I love to do
• 59:42
  this, but it's nothing is guaranteed just because Keep
• 59:45
  doing it or just even if even if you get better, you know, it's
• 59:49
  because I think you've got a build like a brand and then
• 59:54
  people got believe in you and become fans of you.
• 59:57
  I always used to say this back in the day that like, you can
• 1:00:00
  put the best content out there possible, but people have to
• 1:00:05
  become fans of you. And people always look at
• 1:00:07
  numbers, you know, they look at things like, oh, they've only
• 1:00:11
  got this many followers there. Only got this many, I guess, I
• 1:00:14
  shouldn't pay attention but A few people will a few people
• 1:00:18
  would take that risk on you and those people are the ones you
• 1:00:21
  want to pay attention to because they stink around some of the
• 1:00:24
  people that figure it out. I think there's there's a little
• 1:00:28
  bit to do with the not quite viral success but you know say
• 1:00:34
  you you're making your content and, you know, throwing your
• 1:00:38
  content out there and see you do a bit of a variety and then one
• 1:00:42
  thing pops off, you get you know 500 any your normal attention on
• 1:00:46
  it and that that's not necessarily viral say you don't
• 1:00:49
  really get like, you know, 100 likes and then you get You get
• 1:00:54
  50,000 likes or something like that, which is nothing really on
• 1:00:57
  an app. Like, on an app, like Tick Tock
• 1:00:59
  50,000 is still small beans. What you get something pops off?
• 1:01:03
  Really good. If it's like ten ten thousand,
• 1:01:07
  it's still it pops off just significant amount of
• 1:01:09
  difference. They'll look at that.
• 1:01:12
  What what about this was so special?
• 1:01:15
  Is it you know is it the music is it?
• 1:01:17
  The thing I did is that the niche is at those particular
• 1:01:19
  subject or theme and then do it again.
• 1:01:24
  Is it the thing different form achieved with the the second
• 1:01:26
  something pops off Greatest Hits and the top producers and really
• 1:01:32
  any content they do the same thing because that's the people
• 1:01:38
  that like you and come been, subscribe.
• 1:01:41
  They like that one thing and they'll come back for more of
• 1:01:44
  that one thing in a different skin and a different flavor.
• 1:01:47
  But that's the thing that they like, and if you keep giving
• 1:01:50
  them, that they'll keep coming back for it because that's what
• 1:01:52
  they like. Like it happened to me.
• 1:01:55
  I got a video to 2.9 Million and it blew me away and I looked at
• 1:02:01
  it through the scope of what you're laying out there.
• 1:02:04
  I looked at it like, okay, it's a comedy thing.
• 1:02:08
  I took was called a stitch. So for those who don't know,
• 1:02:11
  basically, you take a portion of someone else's video and then
• 1:02:15
  you specially splice it, put your reaction into it or you add
• 1:02:19
  something to it, you know, you transform it so to speak.
• 1:02:23
  And it was just something silly, a guy mispronounce in the UK
• 1:02:26
  name and he was a comedian. He was doing it on purpose for a
• 1:02:30
  laugh and then I just reacted to it in a kind of over-the-top
• 1:02:33
  British like what like you know that kind of thing and then it
• 1:02:37
  just popped off randomly and I don't know, still to this day.
• 1:02:44
  Why? And also why it went so huge in
• 1:02:47
  the Middle East randomly but it did and then I kind of thought,
• 1:02:51
  you know, do you know what maybe it's It's got something to do
• 1:02:55
  with this, like over-the-top British character.
• 1:02:57
  Maybe it's just this, and the absurdity of what the initial
• 1:03:01
  guy said as well. And I've since tried, you know,
• 1:03:06
  to, I always do character acting, I always do, stuff, like
• 1:03:09
  that, but I've never gotten anything close.
• 1:03:12
  I've gotten a few videos here and there are hundreds of
• 1:03:14
  thousands, but it's very thankless.
• 1:03:17
  And I haven't been able to recreate it since.
• 1:03:19
  And I guess what I've learnt from it is that As I said
• 1:03:23
  before, sometimes you create things and it just clicks with
• 1:03:26
  people and then pops off. But sometimes it's just a
• 1:03:31
  one-off flash in the pan. Yeah and it's unfortunate but at
• 1:03:35
  the same time I think it's it gives you an idea.
• 1:03:40
  Of. What to replicate?
• 1:03:43
  What to do, what you're good at what you're bad at.
• 1:03:45
  Like it you can learn a lot from it.
• 1:03:47
  I think in my Tin Mine, I honestly do think it was just a
• 1:03:50
  fluke. I don't think it was anything
• 1:03:52
  else. I think it was just here's a
• 1:03:54
  laugh because other ones weren't flukes, like, when I was
• 1:03:57
  complete, like I did a video where I was complaining about
• 1:04:03
  salary, expectations, something like that and that made sense,
• 1:04:07
  okay, you're going to get a lot of people talking agreeing
• 1:04:10
  disagreeing, whatever, right? That made sense that was and you
• 1:04:14
  can replicate and I did I made a bunch of videos similar to that
• 1:04:17
  and they go, always got views. I'm sure if I posted one
• 1:04:20
  tomorrow and it had a controversial enough point or
• 1:04:24
  you know, it got people talking, you could do it again, but it's
• 1:04:30
  I feel like you need to be careful trying to recreate what
• 1:04:36
  once gave you success because then you fall into a pattern of
• 1:04:38
  trying to Pander and just do what you think works and that
• 1:04:43
  doesn't always work you know and people get tired of that that as
• 1:04:46
  you said let's say pick someone subscribes to you because they
• 1:04:48
  want to see more of that thing that they initially saw.
• 1:04:51
  Yeah but eventually they're going to get bored because you
• 1:04:52
  just keep doing the same thing. So you end up like Spongebob
• 1:04:56
  ripping his pants? Well kind of.
• 1:04:58
  Yeah the the job. It was funny.
• 1:05:00
  The first So I'm finding the next few times and now it's just
• 1:05:03
  like, you know, and I think it always comes down to what I
• 1:05:09
  think is important is to just keep doing what you do.
• 1:05:12
  And if things pop off great, if they don't doesn't matter, just
• 1:05:17
  keep focusing on you and what you're doing and make that your
• 1:05:20
  focus and you just hope for the best, you know, I honestly
• 1:05:25
  thought that was going to be the beginning of something for me.
• 1:05:28
  And then it was and I just kind of looked at it like okay.
• 1:05:34
  Well you know I got some I got some like, a core audience from
• 1:05:38
  this that still checks, my stuff out to this day and that was the
• 1:05:42
  biggest set success. I can see from it and I think
• 1:05:45
  that's the harder thing to get as well.
• 1:05:49
  I actually think it's way easier to get viral videos than it is
• 1:05:53
  to build a group of say five, ten people that care about you
• 1:05:56
  and want to keep checking out your stuff.
• 1:05:58
  That's that's like my kid went to her teachers.
• 1:06:04
  Had a viral video last year at Thanksgiving and it was like
• 1:06:10
  there was nothing to it. It was it was basically a bucket
• 1:06:14
  of slop, I don't know what it was.
• 1:06:16
  It looked disgusting but he said if you're stuffing don't look
• 1:06:20
  like this something or other and it went viral over Thanksgiving
• 1:06:24
  weekend. And it like viral to the fact,
• 1:06:27
  like, other people were like stitching and reacting to it.
• 1:06:31
  Like, I one of the accounts I follow.
• 1:06:34
  I saw like, two weeks later. I did a reaction to that video.
• 1:06:38
  I was like, you know, you're not going to believe that she was
• 1:06:40
  super-excited about just like, but why it's so gross?
• 1:06:43
  Like the people like gross shit-turd.
• 1:06:45
  It's how humans are if it triggers you in some way.
• 1:06:49
  It's valuable online for some reason.
• 1:06:52
  Hmm. And that was It's just a thing,
• 1:06:57
  it's just happened. So you you have a very solid
• 1:07:01
  point. It's kind of like something
• 1:07:04
  randomly goes viral and trying to capitalize.
• 1:07:06
  This kind of like catching lightning in a bottle.
• 1:07:09
  Yeah. Couldn't agree more.
• 1:07:11
  Yeah IG. When you were talking about
• 1:07:14
  that. You mentioned and I said this in
• 1:07:16
  the Preamble for the episode that you're a Content marketer.
• 1:07:19
  Now as I mentioned a few times, I studied marketing as well.
• 1:07:24
  I'm very much into that. Outfield.
• 1:07:26
  So, I'd love to get to know your kind of thoughts on marketing in
• 1:07:32
  2022 and also, you know, how you got into content marketing and
• 1:07:36
  just kind of your main thoughts about it as a career right now
• 1:07:41
  and everything that's going on, in the sphere of content
• 1:07:43
  marketing. Well, it's Another thing in that
• 1:07:51
  long line of things, I should have done 10 12 years ago and
• 1:07:56
  didn't do for whatever reason. Hmm.
• 1:07:58
  But, you know, growing up I was a I was early teenager when Fast
• 1:08:04
  and Furious came out and I've always been really into cars.
• 1:08:07
  I grew up going to car shows. And at that point, that was my
• 1:08:10
  dream. I saw the first, the first two
• 1:08:13
  movies of like that's my dream. I want to own a race shop.
• 1:08:16
  I want to build and drive fast cars.
• 1:08:18
  That's my life's aspiration when I was 15, and that was my, my
• 1:08:26
  upper middle class or lower upper class, but my rich Way
• 1:08:29
  Lady grandma was like, well, you know, that's a very blue collar,
• 1:08:33
  you know, it's that the lot of work and not as many rewards and
• 1:08:36
  la blah, blah, blah, you know, good.
• 1:08:39
  You know, that, that whole thing of like I was the millennial
• 1:08:44
  generation, you gotta go to college.
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  It's worth more money to employers.
• 1:08:48
  If you Ecology. We got to use it.
• 1:08:50
  Just having the degree is good getaway color job.
• 1:08:53
  You know the trades are lower. Because whatever.
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  So as I okay well I that that dream kind of got poo pooed on
• 1:09:05
  it's not realistic, you know, whatever.
• 1:09:08
  And then you two became a thing like this is really cool and
• 1:09:13
  then South Park did an episode about it about these people on
• 1:09:16
  YouTube who went viral early and like, oh well there's all these
• 1:09:19
  theoretical dollars, right? Because YouTube wasn't paying
• 1:09:22
  anybody yet, but in theory that amount of attention.
• 1:09:27
  Something is Worth ad Revenue. So in theory these people could
• 1:09:30
  be worth significant amounts of money.
• 1:09:33
  Well, lo and behold three years later, AdSense becomes a thing
• 1:09:37
  and people start making a career of producing content online.
• 1:09:42
  And, you know, fast forward, another couple years, and now
• 1:09:46
  I'm looking at. So if I had pursued my original
• 1:09:49
  Dream of wanting to build and race badass cars, oh man, I
• 1:09:53
  could be at this point, I could have done that, but yeah, I get
• 1:09:58
  a, you know, blue collar job, maybe start my own business, I
• 1:10:01
  struggle because it's difficult, my pick up a camera to start
• 1:10:05
  documenting these things. Crazy builds cars, I'm doing
• 1:10:09
  just anything, throw a dart. And find a car Channel on
• 1:10:14
  YouTube or Instagram. People are making millions and
• 1:10:19
  millions of dollars and they're living my dream that I gave up
• 1:10:24
  on because it wasn't, you know, it had too low of a ceiling per
• 1:10:29
  someone else's thought process but none of that existed when I
• 1:10:32
  was being told, don't pursue that dream, it's got too low of
• 1:10:35
  a ceiling. Or, you know, the the very top
• 1:10:39
  tier of any blue collar career. Yeah.
• 1:10:42
  I could work for formula one. I could be a racecar pit crew
• 1:10:45
  cheat. Like there's so many things I
• 1:10:46
  could have done, if I had been allowed to dream big, as opposed
• 1:10:51
  to be realistic. Nobody who we know nobody who
• 1:10:56
  you know has you know is going to do anything like that.
• 1:11:00
  So I was put in a box and so I looked at that and like if I had
• 1:11:05
  done what I wanted to do, I wouldn't have been hesitant to,
• 1:11:13
  you know, spend $600 on a camera.
• 1:11:15
  Ten years ago when DSLR cameras were still super hot.
• 1:11:20
  I would have been hesitant to do these things that like, oh, how
• 1:11:25
  do I, how do I Advance this thing that I love doing?
• 1:11:29
  How do I do more? How do I go further?
• 1:11:30
  How do I push the boundaries? So now, I'm in this place where
• 1:11:35
  I'm 33, I'm still finishing school so I can have, you know,
• 1:11:40
  the textbook career. In my mind, I want that to be my
• 1:11:44
  fallback. I, I want nothing more in life
• 1:11:48
  than, to build something myself and this is now more in the
• 1:11:52
  sense of a career organization, a business a following, or just
• 1:11:57
  so, I want to build something of value myself, and now that I'm a
• 1:12:00
  little older, I also want that to be able to give back to other
• 1:12:03
  people. Because, you know it's a thing
• 1:12:07
  but I never did it then and I was just browsing through.
• 1:12:12
  I'm a Serial learner, I'll learn a lot.
• 1:12:14
  I get an idea. I'll dive in a learn about it.
• 1:12:18
  I might be ADHD, but I don't want to say that and potentially
• 1:12:21
  be offensive to people who are, but it says squirrel syndrome,
• 1:12:26
  like I get really into something, I learn everything I
• 1:12:28
  can about it over a month or six weeks or six months and then
• 1:12:33
  Then something else comes into my view and I jump ship and go
• 1:12:36
  to that thing. This is held my attention.
• 1:12:42
  So it's a thing that I can I can do in my own time.
• 1:12:48
  I can turn it into a business, if possible, there are a lot of
• 1:12:50
  avenues to do that, it gives me the opportunity to speak with
• 1:12:56
  new different people, all over the world, and the networking
• 1:13:00
  opportunities are fantastic. So if I have to go to my
• 1:13:03
  default, fallback plan, I may have built a very good Network
• 1:13:06
  that could help me at that. Kind of going all over the
• 1:13:12
  place. I know.
• 1:13:13
  It's just other people are doing it and I have maybe later than
• 1:13:19
  others come around to that guy's an idiot.
• 1:13:23
  If he can do it, I could do it. And I'm going to miss you, it
• 1:13:28
  then, maybe if you can. Yeah, I mean, I'm, I'm gonna
• 1:13:32
  keep doing it for all of the fringe benefits.
• 1:13:34
  Regardless of, if I hit, you know, if I catch that lightning
• 1:13:37
  in a bottle, Because it helps enrich my life.
• 1:13:45
  And I could potentially help enrich someone else's life.
• 1:13:48
  That means a lot to me just knowing or pot, possibly knowing
• 1:13:56
  that something I did just to do it.
• 1:14:01
  Could Inspire someone else to do it and really, really do it.
• 1:14:08
  Speaking of inspiring other people is that kind of what
• 1:14:13
  you're going to try to do with this podcast that you're working
• 1:14:15
  on. Yeah, about that.
• 1:14:18
  Now what's the deal there is? Is it released yet?
• 1:14:21
  Or is it still in production? It's still in production, my
• 1:14:23
  plan is actually to start producing their launch on the
• 1:14:31
  first is what I've been working on.
• 1:14:33
  I recorded a few episodes earlier this month.
• 1:14:35
  I just having honestly I'm having a lot of See, as I told
• 1:14:38
  you getting people who just want to come bullshit with me on a
• 1:14:42
  podcast, and I'm still working on that spoke with a couple
• 1:14:46
  people about it. Trying to convince some of my
• 1:14:50
  friends. It's and I'm not even tapped
• 1:14:55
  into the real difficult part yet.
• 1:14:57
  Because what, I'm what I need are articulate, people and not,
• 1:15:02
  not everyone is good on Mike and not everyone's very articulate
• 1:15:06
  or good verbal communication impromptu because the the topic
• 1:15:13
  is, I'm sure you've seen, like, I think this thing changed my
• 1:15:19
  mind. Yeah.
• 1:15:21
  Like you're challenging someone to come and change a belief that
• 1:15:24
  you have, which is just like an asshole move.
• 1:15:28
  Sorry about the word. So I thought about that and I
• 1:15:33
  was like, I hate that concept, but there's something to it,
• 1:15:35
  you're inviting a discussion, you just doing it in jerk way.
• 1:15:39
  So what about? Just flipping it.
• 1:15:42
  You think something convince me? I am is so it's more of an
• 1:15:48
  open-ended open-minded. My mind is open.
• 1:15:51
  Come and insert your, you know, your reasoning into it, see
• 1:15:57
  where we get and beyond that. I'm not going to agree with
• 1:16:00
  everything some but people may, you know, because people have
• 1:16:03
  different opinions, different ideas, different concepts.
• 1:16:06
  I might not agree with it but through this form of like person
• 1:16:10
  to person, I said I can I can have a good conversation with
• 1:16:13
  anybody who's willing Going to have a good conversation and not
• 1:16:17
  be nasty about it. Whether we agree or disagree on
• 1:16:21
  completely anything, we could still have that conversation.
• 1:16:27
  Candidly and friendly, or we should be able to.
• 1:16:32
  So, the, the deeper goal is finding something, ideally, I
• 1:16:39
  would be able to speak to people who I vehemently disagree with
• 1:16:42
  on most fundamental levels with the goal of like if they can
• 1:16:46
  convince me to see their point of view.
• 1:16:49
  Via like real backed up well concrete argument, or at the end
• 1:16:56
  of the day. If all we do is have a good
• 1:16:59
  conversation respectfully with a lot of like thought through
• 1:17:06
  points. We can find something even if
• 1:17:11
  it's something small that we do agree on fun like some sort of
• 1:17:16
  philosophical concept or idea that like we both think is right
• 1:17:21
  or good or bad. Like we both agree.
• 1:17:24
  That's bad. Like we both agree.
• 1:17:26
  Murder is bad, right? Cool.
• 1:17:28
  That's what we agree on. Let's go from there and whole
• 1:17:34
  thing, I put it up on my websites, finding common ground
• 1:17:36
  through disagreement. It's just because people people
• 1:17:40
  can't seem to have a real conversation anymore.
• 1:17:42
  I'd even I can't talk with my own family.
• 1:17:46
  Half the time you get towards certain subjects and those are
• 1:17:49
  the things I want to talk about. Not because I want to convince
• 1:17:51
  you or change your mind. I honestly want to know why you
• 1:17:56
  feel that way, like what has put you in that train with?
• 1:18:01
  I want to understand that listening to understand thing.
• 1:18:04
  That's what I want to do. I want to listen to people so
• 1:18:06
  that I can understand them. And hopefully find some common
• 1:18:09
  ground with them anyway. I think it's a fantastic concept
• 1:18:16
  and I can see why. Because at the end of the day,
• 1:18:19
  if you're presenting this idea, belief that you have that,
• 1:18:23
  you're really passionate about, it's going to it's going to be
• 1:18:28
  good to come on to a show where you get to promote that and try
• 1:18:32
  and win someone over and explain it.
• 1:18:34
  Like it makes sense and it's also good because, you know, you
• 1:18:38
  want people to be interested in that thing.
• 1:18:40
  You know, just in the same as in a real-life conversation, you
• 1:18:42
  would want that if you tell start telling someone about
• 1:18:45
  like, your heart and soul and things you, I've had it.
• 1:18:47
  I've had like situations where he took my second passionate
• 1:18:49
  about and they don't give you the time of day or they're not
• 1:18:52
  interested, then they just breaks your heart and it makes
• 1:18:54
  you think. Well, I'm going to talk about
• 1:18:55
  this again or to flip it. Like, what you were saying, if
• 1:18:59
  they've got things that they don't want to talk about, I
• 1:19:02
  think the problem is a lot of the time, especially in the
• 1:19:05
  world. We live in right now, is we're
• 1:19:06
  constantly having to justify ourselves.
• 1:19:10
  Leafs it's like seemingly everything is a debate these
• 1:19:14
  days so an argument or and it's like it's very difficult to
• 1:19:17
  navigate that sometimes, you know, and to avoid that and to
• 1:19:21
  get to a point where you do just have a conversation and
• 1:19:24
  discussion. And I think part of that comes
• 1:19:26
  down to the fact that obviously people's beliefs are not just
• 1:19:32
  the things that they think they are part of them.
• 1:19:35
  It's part of who they are. So, when you disagree with that
• 1:19:39
  in, Since you're almost like attacking who they are and you
• 1:19:44
  don't even the, arming, their identity, right?
• 1:19:46
  And you don't mean it, and that's not certainly not how it
• 1:19:49
  should. You'd want it to be, but that's
• 1:19:51
  how it comes across to certain people.
• 1:19:53
  Not everyone. I've met plenty of people who
• 1:19:55
  are more than happy to have a debate or, you know, talk the
• 1:19:58
  talk about these things and, and, and fully accept that
• 1:20:01
  people disagree with them. And, you know, but I think it's
• 1:20:04
  about its It's about being prepared and willing to talk
• 1:20:09
  about these things. And being up for that, you know,
• 1:20:12
  I don't think a lot of people are necessarily up for that or
• 1:20:16
  in the head space to do that or you know what I mean.
• 1:20:18
  And I totally understand that it's you know like for me I'm
• 1:20:22
  not really one for for like I would never really want to go
• 1:20:26
  and debate something. I don't think I'm good at it.
• 1:20:28
  I wouldn't enjoy it. That's just me, but I get how
• 1:20:32
  that works. And I think you'd have to have a
• 1:20:34
  lot of Understanding of not just what, you know, but also you
• 1:20:39
  need to know the other side of things and doing research on the
• 1:20:42
  other side of things. And I think that be interesting
• 1:20:45
  for you as a host with your show.
• 1:20:47
  When you're met with people that have sort of beliefs are
• 1:20:51
  completely adverse to your own, you know, means you're going to
• 1:20:53
  have to do a lot more research and potentially, you might find
• 1:20:56
  yourself debate in them, so they'll be interested when it's
• 1:21:00
  it's not intended to be strictly speaking a debate like organized
• 1:21:05
  with rules, Meant to be candid and friendly but my style of
• 1:21:09
  debate when I when I get the opportunity, I referred to it as
• 1:21:13
  an opportunity to actually discuss something of
• 1:21:16
  disagreement with someone else I'm full on, like, tell me
• 1:21:20
  everything, I have to understand why you feel this way in order
• 1:21:27
  to like potentially, try and shed some light on things that
• 1:21:31
  you might not be talking about. And that's like, have you
• 1:21:35
  Sidered that, you know, I okay, you've given me a lot.
• 1:21:39
  Have you considered this? And that's, you know, had have
• 1:21:44
  you considered this, you make a good point when you say this,
• 1:21:47
  but on the other hand, what about this?
• 1:21:51
  And just like presenting those questions and ultimately giving
• 1:21:55
  that person the opportunity to, if they have considered it go
• 1:21:59
  deeper give me more to consider. And perhaps I disagree
• 1:22:03
  vehemently, but by the end they have had an For everything will
• 1:22:07
  have you considered this? What about this?
• 1:22:10
  How does this apply to this? And by that point, like you've
• 1:22:14
  given me so much to go off of that.
• 1:22:16
  You know, even if I still disagree, it might only be just
• 1:22:19
  on a fundamental level that doesn't have like there's no
• 1:22:26
  longer a reason I still disagree but I don't have a good reason
• 1:22:29
  to and that's like as a whole other philosophical debate, the
• 1:22:33
  no reason I like like the The cruel absurd Universe.
• 1:22:38
  Nothing has any reason. Nothing matters and thus
• 1:22:40
  everything matters, equally the same.
• 1:22:45
  What's um what's the name of the show?
• 1:22:46
  Going to be give a name? Yeah, opposition Theory this
• 1:22:53
  this draws me to another question because you have a
• 1:22:55
  website called opposition Theory and I looked at it but there's
• 1:22:59
  not much there. Yeah I was like what is this is
• 1:23:01
  It's a passion project and so that's what it is.
• 1:23:04
  Yeah right now it's just a landing page for people to
• 1:23:08
  either contact sign up for email list or two.
• 1:23:13
  Not even a screening right now, which kind of kind of dangerous.
• 1:23:16
  There's not even a screening right now.
• 1:23:18
  To be a guest, you click that be a guest link.
• 1:23:20
  It takes you immediately to calendar page to book one hour
• 1:23:25
  time slot, OSU, doing it blank blank right now?
• 1:23:29
  Yes, because I like until I get Until I get a certain number of
• 1:23:35
  like till I get to a point where I have a good cross-section to
• 1:23:40
  kind of hone in on, like these are the things that I like.
• 1:23:43
  These are the things I don't like perhaps I get some
• 1:23:45
  comments. I I just I want to get the
• 1:23:49
  experience. I want to get the time on Mike
• 1:23:51
  and also I speak to one person perhaps like hey do you know
• 1:23:56
  anybody else? Who would, you know be good for
• 1:23:59
  this spot and it's another good way for me to get to get that
• 1:24:01
  initial wave going. Because, like I said, I'm I'm
• 1:24:04
  ready for everything else. I actually totally built up and
• 1:24:07
  scrapped and entire podcast before doing anything before
• 1:24:10
  this. Because I didn't, like I just
• 1:24:12
  wasn't passionate about the concept anymore.
• 1:24:14
  Hey, fair play button like I gotta.
• 1:24:17
  So, I'm like, I'm ready with everything.
• 1:24:19
  I got my editing down. Luckily, my wife's always an
• 1:24:21
  amateur photographer, so I have Adobe, so I have a mission to do
• 1:24:25
  all the editing, so I have all the bells and whistles, I
• 1:24:28
  learned, I learned how to use that, I'm still working on SEO
• 1:24:30
  and like the the other internet Marketing aspect of things that,
• 1:24:35
  again, learning a hole in a whole new industry, but I built
• 1:24:41
  the website because I wanted it to be at least somewhat
• 1:24:43
  professional. And I mean, as soon as I
• 1:24:45
  launched, I have another stack of content on the page.
• 1:24:48
  I have, you know, like the embed of the episode and maybe a
• 1:24:52
  little blog or show notes things like that.
• 1:24:56
  But right now I just wanted to have, I wanted to have that to
• 1:24:59
  make it easier because the first two I recorded which I'm sitting
• 1:25:02
  on, right? Now, it was, it was a
• 1:25:05
  back-and-forth with emails over like five days like oh, what's
• 1:25:08
  good for you? If you do this as like I did
• 1:25:12
  another podcast with another guy in the UK, Mark Mark Steadman is
• 1:25:17
  podcast called, what's your problem where he takes a like
• 1:25:22
  you want to get into podcasting, you're having an issue, tell me
• 1:25:25
  what it is and we'll just talk through it.
• 1:25:26
  It was a really great concept and I had a great time talking
• 1:25:28
  to him but he was, he helped me out, he put me on to A couple of
• 1:25:33
  different websites in the tool that I'm using for scheduling.
• 1:25:37
  And by tried to, I mentioned to you, earlier, you said read.
• 1:25:42
  It is my friend, right? Hmm, I was, I was I was
• 1:25:45
  browsing, right? It's like just different
• 1:25:48
  subreddits, you know, people have opinions all over read it.
• 1:25:51
  Like, for me read, it is a great place to try and farm for this
• 1:25:54
  right under the sun as like you know, where is a great place for
• 1:25:58
  me to find people regarding this particular?
• 1:26:01
  So unpopular opinion, right? Okay.
• 1:26:06
  So I messaged a couple different people with their opinions like
• 1:26:10
  I like that opinion. I like there's a lot to unpack
• 1:26:13
  that be a great discussion. Do you want to do an episode?
• 1:26:16
  I got one the, the recording and the lot of it was it was Fuzzy.
• 1:26:24
  The quality wasn't great. So it was overall, it was good,
• 1:26:26
  it was a dud and then it's like doing this this one at a time
• 1:26:30
  thing. And, you know, getting one out
• 1:26:33
  of ten people that actually see the comment and respond and are
• 1:26:36
  interested. I got it.
• 1:26:39
  Hop On Hop, on unpopular opinion, right?
• 1:26:43
  I'm just going to post like the best place to post your
• 1:26:46
  unpopular opinion. Is to come to me and will
• 1:26:50
  actually discuss it on a podcasts great.
• 1:26:52
  Like put a lot of words into it it's like I'm okay Kathy
• 1:26:56
  copywriting to put a bunch of words into it.
• 1:27:01
  I read all the like Community rules, make sure because read it
• 1:27:04
  says, it's awful. Every time I posted on a new
• 1:27:07
  subreddit that I've never posted it before, I post gets removed
• 1:27:10
  because it breaks some rule that I, yeah, I missed.
• 1:27:13
  I read through carefully. Only one that could have
• 1:27:16
  possibly possibly Been against. Is it posts about the subreddit
• 1:27:22
  specifically need to be posted in the mega thread?
• 1:27:26
  Like well, I mean it's not it's more about my, you know, it's
• 1:27:30
  the post is about me, not about you.
• 1:27:35
  But the mega thread was locked so I didn't have access to that.
• 1:27:38
  So it's like, okay, well, you know, I'll post it.
• 1:27:40
  It gets removed, then I have to edit it and fix it fine.
• 1:27:43
  No, big deal if it gets removed as like move risk, it for the
• 1:27:46
  biscuit worst case it gets removed, right.
• 1:27:48
  Post immediately removed like Auto removed Italy.
• 1:27:54
  Okay, well it's like and reason is reason 34 meta post.
• 1:27:58
  All right, fine. So I go in and I'm editing it
• 1:28:01
  trying to trying to fix it. So it's not metal like how do I
• 1:28:05
  Reword this to just tell people, hey, come share your unpopular
• 1:28:08
  opinions with me and we'll talk about it.
• 1:28:12
  Meanwhile, I'm editing this. I get an email from unpopular
• 1:28:16
  opinion. You have been permanently
• 1:28:18
  banned. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:28:21
  R / unpopular opinion. I was like what you can contact
• 1:28:24
  the mods here to whatever I was like okay contact them as like
• 1:28:27
  as like my really permanently banned from meta.
• 1:28:30
  Post. Like I'm sorry, I was literally
• 1:28:33
  trying to re-edit it and change it.
• 1:28:34
  So it wasn't so meta. Like I'm trying to like, talk
• 1:28:42
  more with people about their unpopular opinions on my City
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  Podcast. Can you please let me in and
• 1:28:48
  then I tagged with the end was like, or would you want to be on
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  my podcast response? We're good.
• 1:28:56
  Thanks muted for 30 days. Yeah, I'm permanently banned
• 1:29:01
  with no ability to reach out to try and get that removed for at
• 1:29:04
  least a month. Don't worry about it too much.
• 1:29:07
  Like, I gotta say, I've dealt with exactly the same thing
• 1:29:10
  across several subreddits and I mean, what I can tell you about
• 1:29:18
  with podcasting, is the longer you do this, the easier will be.
• 1:29:24
  And part of that is because you're going to be building up
• 1:29:26
  episodes that people can see that makes it easier when no one
• 1:29:30
  knows what you're doing. It's Tricky.
• 1:29:32
  You know, people don't know what the deal is.
• 1:29:34
  I still struggle to an extent, you know like for instance when
• 1:29:39
  I when I have sort of not like a drought per se, but when I have
• 1:29:43
  like, you know, a period when I'm looking, Or people I always
• 1:29:46
  do it ahead of time, right? And sometimes I'll post in to
• 1:29:48
  let some of these subreddits podcast guest exchange podcast
• 1:29:53
  guests and I'll just get nothing but then you know you do it
• 1:29:59
  again. Maybe a month later and you get
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  something. And here's something that's been
• 1:30:05
  happening. A lot for me is you get like an
• 1:30:07
  influx loads of people contact you?
• 1:30:10
  So be prepared for that and I don't know 100%, but I know that
• 1:30:16
  some of these definitely didn't come from Reddit, like I think a
• 1:30:18
  lot of them have come from people just seeing the show.
• 1:30:22
  They saw someone else or someone recommended like, oh, hey, I was
• 1:30:26
  on this show, it's great. You should go on it or you
• 1:30:28
  should check this show out or, you know.
• 1:30:30
  So that helps the longer you do this, like, you build it up
• 1:30:34
  online. You build a bit of a presence
• 1:30:35
  online, people see what you're doing, they like what you're
• 1:30:38
  doing and they recommend it to other people, but I do think a
• 1:30:41
  lot of this does come down to outreach as well. well, like a
• 1:30:45
  lot of the guests that I've found, I've just reached out to,
• 1:30:48
  like, on say, tick tock or Instagram or something, you
• 1:30:53
  know, ready is very thankless because The people that like
• 1:31:00
  it's the wild west of the internet.
• 1:31:01
  What ways is people people can't?
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  I don't have to use the word. I'm going to use the word but I
• 1:31:05
  don't, it's not quite the right word, but people kind of gate.
• 1:31:08
  Keep a little bit on subreddits and a lot of it is to prevent
• 1:31:13
  people from promoting themselves and stuff like that, which I
• 1:31:16
  understand. It is annoying.
• 1:31:17
  You got one everyone constantly promoting themselves, but at the
• 1:31:20
  same time, you know, sometimes it is harmless and it's a little
• 1:31:25
  bit unfair, the way. This stuff kind of.
• 1:31:30
  Is enacted, like for instance, Dem Banning, you permanently?
• 1:31:33
  It's not necessary. I got banned from a subreddit
• 1:31:37
  because I lived in this country, Estonia years ago, right?
• 1:31:40
  And there's an Estonian subreddit and I can't remember
• 1:31:43
  what I post. I think I posted like it was a
• 1:31:46
  okay, it was a video in Estonia. It was an exploring video so it
• 1:31:51
  was actually in Estonia And I got banned because they said it
• 1:31:55
  was promotion. I was like I responded to him
• 1:31:58
  saying, well I get that and I won't do it again.
• 1:32:01
  But is it really necessary to like, ban me forever?
• 1:32:04
  I mean, I posted this because I thought it would be of interest
• 1:32:07
  to the people in here since it's in Estonia.
• 1:32:10
  And you know people might find this interesting its historical
• 1:32:14
  its you know, I mean and just immediately no, Second Chances.
• 1:32:21
  And it's just yeah, I get it. You got to be careful with these
• 1:32:24
  things but I think sometimes the the Reddit mods take it worried
• 1:32:28
  too far and especially when you're when you're first
• 1:32:31
  starting out with these things, you don't know.
• 1:32:32
  You get used to that red. It is.
• 1:32:34
  It's as you say, it's the wild west, you got to get used to how
• 1:32:36
  these things work and it takes time.
• 1:32:38
  Yeah. And to be fair, I think, I think
• 1:32:41
  getting it an actual Reddit mod, particularly someone who works
• 1:32:44
  in a big sub, like unpopular opinion would be a fantastic
• 1:32:48
  guest sure like, on my particular.
• 1:32:50
  Ticular just like explain this to me because that job like it's
• 1:32:54
  not really a job but it's a job that sounds gotta suck just
• 1:33:00
  constantly having to like be filtering and checking and like
• 1:33:05
  Banning and releasing and it it sounds kind of miserable but
• 1:33:10
  also fascinating. But I like I thought I was like
• 1:33:14
  you know read it was. I also had this thought in my
• 1:33:17
  mind that that post was going to get me.
• 1:33:19
  Like my first way out, 56 people, maybe be like oh that
• 1:33:24
  sounds cool. I'll come do that but then that
• 1:33:28
  that went away. It's like, okay, I'm pursuing
• 1:33:29
  other avenues. I'm going to be a little more
• 1:33:31
  direct and adventurous. Have you ever heard of Have you
• 1:33:36
  ever heard of Toastmasters? It rings a bell, but it's a
• 1:33:41
  global organization of clubs that what they do is, they get
• 1:33:45
  together, weekly monthly, whatever, and it's with the goal
• 1:33:50
  of developing public speaking, and Leadership skills, primarily
• 1:33:54
  through learning how to speak better. and I was like, I've
• 1:33:59
  been thinking about it for a while, I heard about it a few
• 1:34:01
  years ago and like I said, I need people who can articulate
• 1:34:05
  well for the content to be Prime.
• 1:34:10
  So I just looked it up the ideas like there's like eight clubs
• 1:34:14
  nearby, where I live and the annual dues are 45 or any will
• 1:34:19
  do, its 45 bucks, every six months.
• 1:34:21
  So really, really reasonable for the kind of potential value
• 1:34:27
  because some of the clubs are sponsored by like big large
• 1:34:32
  Government, Contracting businesses, like really
• 1:34:34
  executive type stuff and the type of People I've heard speak
• 1:34:39
  about it in my own life, are that type of significantly into
• 1:34:44
  networking and Communications, they're very articulate and they
• 1:34:50
  said they're developing leadership skills.
• 1:34:52
  It's what they're after. So my my thought of, that was
• 1:34:55
  cool. I'm gonna go join Toastmasters
• 1:34:57
  at the bare, minimum it will help me be better on Mike.
• 1:35:01
  And, you know, who knows what I could Network.
• 1:35:05
  I could find people there who are probably good on Mike,
• 1:35:10
  because they've actually made an effort to be better speakers.
• 1:35:15
  Everybody has opinions things, they are willing to talk about
• 1:35:18
  was the thing, the easy part is getting people to talk about
• 1:35:22
  something because if you give someone a platform to talk about
• 1:35:24
  something they love, it's hard to get them to shut up.
• 1:35:27
  Which is great. But third, these people who
• 1:35:32
  potentially could be guests or if they don't want to be guests.
• 1:35:37
  Probably, sadly. Some of them are going to be in
• 1:35:40
  leadership roles. They probably have a decent
• 1:35:42
  sized network of people who they would be.
• 1:35:44
  Like, that's not really for me, but I know this guy.
• 1:35:47
  He sounds like he would be a great fit for it and put me in
• 1:35:49
  contact with them and that Taps into another.
• 1:35:53
  One of the reasons I want to do this in the first place, is the
• 1:35:56
  ability to network and meet more.
• 1:35:58
  People are meet more people because as you know, my belief
• 1:36:02
  is less than 1 and 100 people. Is a real one.
• 1:36:06
  So the more people you meet the better chance you have of
• 1:36:09
  building that network of real ones.
• 1:36:12
  I think I definitely think it'll work for you.
• 1:36:14
  I think it's like and I'm just coming from personal experience.
• 1:36:17
  It will just take time you know, because I had the same struggle
• 1:36:21
  when I first started and it kind of forced me to do discussion
• 1:36:25
  episodes here and there and back then I wasn't really comfortable
• 1:36:29
  doing that now I am but back then I wasn't and I used to
• 1:36:32
  worry, I used to be like can I keep this going?
• 1:36:34
  You know what? If I never find guests again and
• 1:36:36
  it was, it was silly, you know, it's just it's tough to keep
• 1:36:39
  doing it and, you know, you build up Bank of episodes and
• 1:36:44
  people see what you're doing. And you know, it just one thing
• 1:36:47
  leads to another and it gets easier but Outreach is going to
• 1:36:50
  be a big part of and it's been The Working Man.
• 1:36:53
  It's podcast is a very thankless thing.
• 1:36:55
  It's Very consuming from a range of different angles and I think,
• 1:37:04
  yeah, finding guests is definitely one of them.
• 1:37:06
  It's hard, especially in the beginning but you know, I like
• 1:37:09
  the concept. I think you've got something
• 1:37:11
  here man. And you know.
• 1:37:13
  Yeah, well happen just takes time.
• 1:37:17
  Thank you for the vote of confidence.
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  Opposition Dash Theory, do. There you go.
• 1:37:29
  And that is, that is No filter at all.
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  If you want to be a guess just be a guest like that one.
• 1:37:36
  Let's switch up a couple of final questions for you.
• 1:37:40
  What's the what's the best advice you've ever received?
• 1:37:45
  Oh, that that's hard to do without being super cliche.
• 1:37:52
  I got from So, I don't know if I'd classify it as advice.
• 1:37:59
  I've I was talking that I talked about like the cruel and absurd
• 1:38:03
  Universe earlier, and I've kind of dove into a bit of
• 1:38:08
  philosophy. Lately regarding things such as
• 1:38:11
  that and I'm also really big into just like business type
• 1:38:17
  things. I like to learn from business
• 1:38:20
  people and I was watching an a podcast.
• 1:38:24
  The day featuring this American Business.
• 1:38:26
  Dude is named as Alex, Alex for Moto, see and he's got a very
• 1:38:31
  interesting. He's a weird weird, kind of like
• 1:38:36
  personality because he he identifies himself as a
• 1:38:41
  nihilist. And his his methodology is to
• 1:38:49
  someone was saying, you know, what do you want in life?
• 1:38:52
  Well, I just want to be happy and he said okay, but by saying
• 1:38:55
  you just want to be happy. You are placing the expectation
• 1:38:59
  that there is happiness out there, you don't have presently.
• 1:39:04
  so, what he does is he, he doesn't He doesn't label things
• 1:39:09
  as like I'm doing this because and this also wasn't another
• 1:39:13
  philosophy book that I read called she what was it called?
• 1:39:19
  if it comes to me, I'll say it because I read that earlier this
• 1:39:22
  year but having to have a reason for something is it's not
• 1:39:30
  necessary to have a reason for anything.
• 1:39:34
  And once you put a reason I like I'm doing this because you're
• 1:39:38
  putting an expectation on the thing.
• 1:39:40
  You're doing that may or may not come true.
• 1:39:43
  Like this is, this will provide me with something and that's the
• 1:39:46
  reason I'm doing it. And so it's kind of like, not
• 1:39:51
  the advice, but more of the philosophy of, if you decide to
• 1:39:53
  do something, then just leave it at that.
• 1:39:57
  You've decided to do something and just do it. and so I'm I'm
• 1:40:03
  trying, I have Tendencies of like How does how does this
• 1:40:09
  conversation benefit? What I'm doing.
• 1:40:11
  Or what's the utility? What's like fairy function over
• 1:40:13
  form on a lot of things? I like I like fast cars so but
• 1:40:19
  the whole try to find as little reason to do the thing as
• 1:40:25
  possible. I guess would be the advice that
• 1:40:28
  I garnered for that. Once once you see something you
• 1:40:31
  want to do just do it. You know, not doing it because
• 1:40:34
  of this, this that's not. That's not a reason.
• 1:40:37
  You're strictly doing it because you want to do it.
• 1:40:41
  And if you break it down too much, it kind of sounds selfish,
• 1:40:44
  but that's the Human Condition. There's no truly unselfish act
• 1:40:49
  because if you do something that seems selfless, it still gives
• 1:40:53
  you the joy of knowing you did it right at the end of the day,
• 1:40:56
  it's it fulfills that need in you to be selfless.
• 1:41:01
  So, sometimes you have To embrace.
• 1:41:04
  There's there's the lesson the best advice.
• 1:41:06
  Sometimes you have to understand and embrace that you are selfish
• 1:41:09
  and do something selfish for yourself.
• 1:41:14
  Couple of good. I'll go with that one.
• 1:41:16
  A couple of good pieces of advice that I thank you so much.
• 1:41:19
  And my favorite question. What's the biggest life lesson
• 1:41:23
  you've learned so far? Who biggest life lesson?
• 1:41:27
  I've learned so far. It's a deep question.
• 1:41:38
  My biggest life lesson. I has to do and this this might
• 1:41:44
  be a negative but it fuels a lot of my How I do things.
• 1:41:49
  My biggest life lesson is plans changed goals.
• 1:41:53
  Don't you can make up you can plan anything out to the nth
• 1:42:00
  degree of specificity. But that can always change.
• 1:42:05
  Something can always upset your plan, the best laid, plans of
• 1:42:09
  mice and men, but a goal is adaptable.
• 1:42:14
  Once you set a goal and that goal can be as hard and
• 1:42:16
  concrete, as you want it to be, if something gets in your way,
• 1:42:19
  you can always sidestep it. So plans change goals.
• 1:42:24
  Don't But in yeah, thank you so much for that.
• 1:42:29
  As we draw things to a close for today.
• 1:42:31
  Do you have any upcoming projects or some final thoughts
• 1:42:34
  you'd like to share with our listeners?
• 1:42:38
  Not not particularly, this was a, I saw your post on Reddit and
• 1:42:45
  honestly by your description, I have to have I was listening to
• 1:42:49
  one of your episodes earlier. I forget what her name was the
• 1:42:54
  Indie Retro Music. Addition, something recent thank
• 1:42:59
  you. Oh, is he Alan?
• 1:43:03
  Yes. Yes yes a very talented young
• 1:43:06
  musician. I was listening to that one and
• 1:43:10
  I just liked by your descriptions like wow these are
• 1:43:12
  these are some heavy people. I was like I'm just a regular
• 1:43:14
  dude but you know, if you're looking for a regular dude Now,
• 1:43:20
  aside from that, the only thing I'm currently working on that is
• 1:43:24
  like promotable is opposition Theory and that's like I said,
• 1:43:29
  there's an open call to anyone who fancies themselves.
• 1:43:33
  Good verbal Communicator. If you have an idea a concept or
• 1:43:37
  or an opinion that you'd like to debate and potentially disagree
• 1:43:42
  to the purpose of finding common ground.
• 1:43:45
  That's the website has the link and all of that there.
• 1:43:48
  And at some point, I'm going to start using my camera and
• 1:43:52
  probably putting content on YouTube as well, but that's more
• 1:43:54
  of a that's more of a just like a passion project.
• 1:43:57
  I've always loved the idea of just doing a vlog for the sake
• 1:44:00
  of doing a vlog but yeah you got to have a got to have a niche.
• 1:44:03
  You got to be specific. You know like I like way too
• 1:44:06
  many things to have a niche. Is there a niche?
• 1:44:08
  Where, you know, someone just does all the things.
• 1:44:13
  My gamertag and half my online presence is Noob time because I
• 1:44:17
  do I'm new at everything all the time because I'm always like
• 1:44:21
  tracking off to do new stuff. Same here.
• 1:44:24
  But I'd come to stick to one thing.
• 1:44:27
  I mean that's my idea hell. I haven't any rate one thing.
• 1:44:31
  It's damage to this one thing over and over and over and over
• 1:44:35
  again. Unless that one thing was, like
• 1:44:37
  I said, building a fast car and driving it really fast but then
• 1:44:42
  it's a different car every time. So I would address.
• 1:44:45
  One thing you said though, which I think is important though.
• 1:44:49
  I think that fundamentally rule just normal people, you know, I
• 1:44:54
  think it's very easy to look at some of the things we do and if
• 1:44:59
  they've got success or not and you know, regard them as
• 1:45:03
  successes or not all to Brand ourselves that way or, you know,
• 1:45:06
  whatever it all sounds very fresh and fancy, but at the end
• 1:45:09
  of the day, like it's just, it's just titles doesn't mean much
• 1:45:13
  like, certainly when I do this podcast, I'm not thinking like
• 1:45:16
  oh this person has 50,000 Louis or oh, this person's really
• 1:45:20
  successful musician. Like, that's cool, don't get me
• 1:45:23
  wrong, that's great. And I do obviously I do take
• 1:45:27
  note of them are going to sit here and pretend like, I don't,
• 1:45:30
  but it's not why I have people on my show.
• 1:45:33
  That the reason I have people on my show is I look at them and
• 1:45:36
  I'm like, can I have a good conversation with this person?
• 1:45:40
  Like, can I really just talk for as long as we have a mean, look,
• 1:45:45
  we're an hour and yeah, five right now, you know, and we've
• 1:45:49
  covered a lot of different things and it's because of your
• 1:45:52
  willingness to have a conversation, and my willingness
• 1:45:55
  to listen and we come together and we create something.
• 1:45:58
  And that's what's important, right?
• 1:46:00
  I will, of course, I love to explore people's lives and the
• 1:46:03
  things that they do and stuff like that but like I think
• 1:46:08
  everyone has value in everything.
• 1:46:10
  They do, and they shouldn't even if they don't feel like they're
• 1:46:14
  doing a lot. You know what, like there's
• 1:46:16
  always value in your life in the experiences you've had.
• 1:46:21
  Everyone has something to offer to the world.
• 1:46:23
  I truly believe that and you know I think you're going to do
• 1:46:27
  great things with this this podcast that you think in the
• 1:46:29
  doing and you know you're very clearly hard working person and
• 1:46:34
  that's going to pay off, you know, hard work always pays off
• 1:46:37
  and I think you're going to be very good at this.
• 1:46:40
  This show and I really wish you the best with it.
• 1:46:42
  I can't wait to see how it unfolds and takes off for you.
• 1:46:48
  I appreciate that. Thank you very much for being on
• 1:46:52
  the show. Daniel, it's been an absolute
• 1:46:54
  pleasure and to all the listeners of the Christian re
• 1:46:57
  podcast. I hope you've enjoyed the
• 1:46:58
  episode. As always be safe, be well and
• 1:47:03
  I'll see you in the next.