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URGENT! Missing tot boy vanishes from grandma's yard, PLUS: Male nurse rapes, impregnates disabled patient [Cops] · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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  Speaker 1: all the stops out here on this town. They are
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  Speaker 1: looking for a child. Cragon County Sheriff Hip Hughes spoke
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  Speaker 1: with me a little bit earlier today. They were told
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  Speaker 1: that a grandmother was watching three children, including a three
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  Speaker 1: year old boy. He says that two of the children
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  Speaker 1: came inside after they were playing outside. One of the
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  Speaker 1: children did not share Hip Hughes as those About forty
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  Speaker 1: five minutes after that that they received a call all
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  Speaker 1: about a missing child. They've been focusing their search efforts
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  Speaker 1: in the woods out behind the child's house. They have
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  Speaker 1: been brought in a helicopter from the Higher Patrol in Raleigh.
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  Speaker 1: They are using sheet teaching technology to see if they
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  Speaker 1: can find him in these very dense woods. They also
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  Speaker 1: have brought out all the stop shaff you, says, all
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  Speaker 1: of his deputies from patrol. All of these investigators are
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  Speaker 1: working against the flock. They said, this is a very
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  Speaker 1: curious situation. Right now you are hearing the very latest
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  Speaker 1: from our friends w t N TV. There was Stacious Strong.
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  Speaker 1: We are talking about a missing three year old boy
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  Speaker 1: Casey Hathaway. Temperatures dipping down last night. How did it happen?
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  Speaker 1: This child with a couple of other kids and the
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  Speaker 1: grandma's backyard, what wanders off? They search for him for
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  Speaker 1: forty five minutes to no avail before they call police.
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  Speaker 1: Tipline two five two six three three zero four nine
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  Speaker 1: eight repeat two five two six three three zero four
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  Speaker 1: nine eight all of you. Trucker is hitting the roads
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  Speaker 1: right now. Keep your eyes open for a little Casey Hathaway.
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  Speaker 1: I wish you could see him right now. He's just gorgeous,
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  Speaker 1: beautiful blonde hair, big brown eyes, three years old, twenty
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  Speaker 1: eight inches, twenty five pounds. Last scene, we believe wearing
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  Speaker 1: a lightweight jacket. I'm Nancy Grace. This is crime stories.
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  Speaker 1: This is not just a story. This is real. Casey
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  Speaker 1: is missing. Straight out to Ashley Wilcott, juvenile judge and lawyer.
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  Speaker 1: You can find her at Ashley Wilcott dot com. Grandma's
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  Speaker 1: been taking a lot of heat overnight. I have to disagree.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, Ashley, you and I both know that you
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  Speaker 1: can never take your eyes off your children even for
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  Speaker 1: a minute. But in this area, in this rural area,
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  Speaker 1: Grandma may have turned her back for ten minutes to
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  Speaker 1: cut launch or dinner. She looks out of the window.
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  Speaker 1: He's gone, Yes, she should have been, had her eyes
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  Speaker 1: peeled on the backyard, but straight out to Wendy Patrick,
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  Speaker 1: California Prosecutor, Wendy, the grandma has been taking a lot
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  Speaker 1: of heat overnight. For all I know, she was watching
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  Speaker 1: the children in the backyard and turned her back for
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  Speaker 1: ten minutes to put dinner on the stove. I don't
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  Speaker 1: know what happened, but it's so common, you know, it's
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  Speaker 1: so easy to point blame at a time like this,
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  Speaker 1: you know, but for the grace of God, parents and
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  Speaker 1: grandparents are listening right now, just thinking I might have
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  Speaker 1: done that. I might have taken my eye off my
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  Speaker 1: child to do exactly that, to put food on the stove,
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  Speaker 1: to grab the telephone, so many things. The question now
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  Speaker 1: is accident or abduction. The answer to that question will
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  Speaker 1: depend on a number of factors, including the elements, including
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  Speaker 1: the terrain, and also now no doubt they're going to
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  Speaker 1: be looking at people in that area, some who saw what.
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  Speaker 1: They're going to be looking at video footage from surrounding homes.
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  Speaker 1: But that's the initial question right now is what happened
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  Speaker 1: and how quickly can we find this gorgeous missing child.
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  Speaker 1: I want you to go right now. We're heading to
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  Speaker 1: Craven County, North Carolina. I'd take Usten to Sheriff Chip
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  Speaker 1: Hughes at Oppressor. We're getting quite a few leads and
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  Speaker 1: we're following up on them as they come in. Once again,
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  Speaker 1: we're using all resources that are available, so we're going
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  Speaker 1: to be concentrating our search efforts again, drilling down on
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  Speaker 1: some spots where we have a certain interest. But once again,
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  Speaker 1: I want to reiterate the family has been extremely cooperative
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  Speaker 1: and we're thankful for that, and we just want to
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  Speaker 1: bring their son home to them, and we're going to
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  Speaker 1: do everything within our power to make sure that happens.
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  Speaker 1: We'll go right back to Sheriff Chip Hughes, but I
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  Speaker 1: want to go now to Stephen Lampley, former detective renowned
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  Speaker 1: in his field. Stephen, thank you for being with us.
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  Speaker 1: There's so many any possibilities right now for those of
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  Speaker 1: you just joining us, we're talking about and missing three
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  Speaker 1: year old little boy, Casey Hathaway. He was in the
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  Speaker 1: backyard with a couple of other children at grandma's house.
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  Speaker 1: She looks out, he's gone. She searches for him for
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  Speaker 1: forty five minutes before calling nine on one. Right there,
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  Speaker 1: that's a problem. But how many of us have seen
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  Speaker 1: our child They're not there when we turn around and
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  Speaker 1: we look for them first. That's natural instinct. But Stephen Lampley,
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  Speaker 1: so many possibilities. Did somebody drive by and go, hey,
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  Speaker 1: I've got some candy in the car. Does somebody say, hey,
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  Speaker 1: can you help me find my puppy? Did he see
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  Speaker 1: something in the woods. It's a very heavily wooded area.
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  Speaker 1: I find that kind of hard to believe, Steve Lampley,
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  Speaker 1: because by the time the grandma got out there, he
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  Speaker 1: was gone and didn't answer to calls for forty five minutes. So,
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  Speaker 1: Steve Lampley, you're the detective. I'm just a trial lawyer.
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  Speaker 1: What am I looking at? What are my possibilities here? Well,
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  Speaker 1: that's just what she was saying a while ago. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: it's a possibility the child wandered off. But my question
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  Speaker 1: would be why did the child separate himself from the
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  Speaker 1: two other children? What was out there? What caused him
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  Speaker 1: to leave these two other children from coming in the
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  Speaker 1: house where it was cold? And I went to the video.
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  Speaker 1: What's the video at length? And it appears as bold
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  Speaker 1: And I'm not placing blame here and not not at all,
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  Speaker 1: but as a law enforcement officer and NANT, you have
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  Speaker 1: to consider every possibility you know you have. The child
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  Speaker 1: may have wandered looking at the video, what specifically, with
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  Speaker 1: your trained eyes did you observe, if anything, I noticed
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  Speaker 1: the first thing I noticed. Of course, again I'm thinking
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  Speaker 1: the child wandered off, but I'm awesome plaving to think
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  Speaker 1: that maybe this was an abduction. You have to consider
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  Speaker 1: every option. You can't let you can't leave anything out.
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  Speaker 1: If what I noticed was something that that I myself
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  Speaker 1: would have would be looking at. Is I noticed that
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  Speaker 1: the field, and I went back and looked at other
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  Speaker 1: photos as well, historic photos, and to the field rather
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  Speaker 1: the woodline that is immediately west of the house has
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  Speaker 1: recently been cleared, has been logged off. Now again I'm
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  Speaker 1: not placing blame on anyone, but but I'm wondering if
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  Speaker 1: there was any interaction between any of the people there
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  Speaker 1: with this family or with this child. And about five
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  Speaker 1: hundred yards back of the house is a dirt road.
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  Speaker 1: It's almost impossible to see, but I noticed it on
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  Speaker 1: the on the video where they were lined up searching
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  Speaker 1: so so roughly about a football field as a dirt
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  Speaker 1: road that goes behind the house that strangely ends at
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  Speaker 1: the cleared logged area. So I would I would be
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  Speaker 1: willing to interview the logging the people in the logging companies.
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  Speaker 1: Did you see anything? What do you know? You know
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  Speaker 1: that's scaring me because what child can avoid a long
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  Speaker 1: red dirt road. I grew up in that kind of country,
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  Speaker 1: Stephen Lampley, and at that time in the world you
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  Speaker 1: could go down that dirt road, but not any more.
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  Speaker 1: Take to listen to our friends. It's been very difficult terrain.
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  Speaker 1: There's very very thick woods in some areas including log
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  Speaker 1: David camera lands and rough rut field of water. Some
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  Speaker 1: very tough terrain from both those individuals on the ground
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  Speaker 1: as well as to aircraft having visual effect. It's been
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  Speaker 1: tough for using some of the standard technology that we
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  Speaker 1: use for just basic step by step man tracking courses,
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  Speaker 1: as well as using the technicological things such as aircraft
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  Speaker 1: would clear it. Also drone technology use of K nine
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  Speaker 1: we've we've hit this thing at every angle, would put
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  Speaker 1: For what is it? What is it first? What's the
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  Speaker 1: room for? Okay? What's the emergency? Someone who's had a baby.
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  Speaker 1: One of the patients just had a baby and we
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  Speaker 1: just had no idea she was pregnant. Okay, is the
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  Speaker 1: baby here? For that baby's turning blue? We need someone now? Okay,
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  Speaker 1: all right, go in there with the baby, and I
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  Speaker 1: number is okay, and the mom is doing okay. We're
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  Speaker 1: not sure. We had no idea this patient. What's pregnant?
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  Speaker 1: Is the mom doing okay? Well, she's a quadriplegic and
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  Speaker 1: she can barely communicate. It was first reported she was
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  Speaker 1: in a vegetatid or coma state. So no, she's not
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  Speaker 1: doing okay. Now the family's clarified she is not in
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  Speaker 1: a coma. She can respond in some ways to sound
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  Speaker 1: or stimuli. But it was first reported out of Hassi
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  Speaker 1: into healthcare that she was in a coma and in
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  Speaker 1: a vegetative state. That's what many people thought. The family
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  Speaker 1: clarified that is she okay. No, she's apparently been raped
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  Speaker 1: and she just gave birth. The baby's blue. She's not okay.
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  Speaker 1: Who got this woman pregnant? And she gave birth lying
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  Speaker 1: there at a so called healthcare facility And she had
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  Speaker 1: no anesthesia, she had no pain control, nothing. They didn't
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  Speaker 1: even know she was giving birth till they heard her moaning. Now,
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  Speaker 1: next question, how many times was she raped? What? She's
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  Speaker 1: raped one time and amazingly got pregnant that one time.
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  Speaker 1: I don't think so. And you know what, I want
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  Speaker 1: somebody to not only burn in hell, but I wanted
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  Speaker 1: to make about a thirty year pit stop at the
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  Speaker 1: Federal Penitentiary on this. I may answer you, Grace, this
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  Speaker 1: is crime Stories. Thank you for being with us. And
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  Speaker 1: the more I think about it, the more disturbed I get. Oh,
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  Speaker 1: my grandma, my grandmother, Mama Lucy, who helped raise me,
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  Speaker 1: worked at a rest home in her late later years. Yes,
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  Speaker 1: she worked up until her seventies. She certainly did. And
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  Speaker 1: I would go see Mama there and she would be
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  Speaker 1: taking care of the people and bringing them things and
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  Speaker 1: talking to them. And I think about them and these
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  Speaker 1: health care facilities. Nobody's watching, nobody's carrying. They're all alone
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  Speaker 1: in their rooms. Here's this quadriplegic lady and she gives birth.
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  Speaker 1: And did you hear the employee say we didn't know
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  Speaker 1: she was pregnant. What? I've got so much to report,
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  Speaker 1: But you know what, John Limley, that's your gig. Crime
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  Speaker 1: Online dot Com investigative reporter John Limley with me along
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  Speaker 1: with Stephen Lampley Ace detective doctor WILLIAMS. July Psychologists. You
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  Speaker 1: can find him at doctor William July dot com. California
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  Speaker 1: prosecutor Wendy Patrick, renowned defense attorney Brian Claypool, and judge
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  Speaker 1: and lawyer Ashley Wilcott at Ashley Wilcott dot com. Limley, please,
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  Speaker 1: I hope you're all sitting down. Humanity's lay down now
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  Speaker 1: because the guy they suspect is the quote father of
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  Speaker 1: the baby. His lawyer just jumped up and said there's
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  Speaker 1: no evidence he committed the act. Hello DNA. Yeah. I
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  Speaker 1: don't know how that lawyer is going to fight yaxerb
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  Speaker 1: Andy clay Acid in a courtroom, but good luck. I
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  Speaker 1: can't wait to watch that. John Letley, what's the latest? Well, Nancy,
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  Speaker 1: it might be a good idea for us to focus
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  Speaker 1: on the patient, the victim in this case. Remind all, right,
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  Speaker 1: do you think I'm focusing on something else just because
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  Speaker 1: I've said I want this guy to Rottenhill? No? Not,
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  Speaker 1: that was just an offhand comment. He's got to be
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  Speaker 1: right right first, Yes, I know that. Claypool, go ahay Linley,
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  Speaker 1: what's the latest? Exactly? Well, this victim is a twenty
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  Speaker 1: nine year old quadriplegic woman. She's been incapacitated for the
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  Speaker 1: better part of her life, since she nearly drowned at
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  Speaker 1: the age of three. The woman's mother is also her
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  Speaker 1: legal guardian, and she describes her simply as an incapacitated adult.
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  Speaker 1: Her doctor's records are a little more detailed than that,
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  Speaker 1: stating that she has a brain disorder, she's intellectually and
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  Speaker 1: developmentally challenged. Recurrent pneumonia is a big problem, and she
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  Speaker 1: has paralysis of the limbs and seizures. By some accounts. Wait, wait, wait, wait,
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  Speaker 1: that is so much for me to take in. Hold
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  Speaker 1: on by slow it down, I'm drinking down the fire
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  Speaker 1: hydrant here, What did you say? But what about the victim?
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  Speaker 1: The family say, she's not in a coma, she's not
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  Speaker 1: in a vegetative state. She's a quadriplegic. She's been in
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  Speaker 1: healthcare facilities since a very young age, I know, over
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  Speaker 1: ten years. Now, what are her ailments? Exactly? Because the
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  Speaker 1: last thing we want to do is upset her family
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  Speaker 1: by claiming she's in a coma when she's not. And
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  Speaker 1: you know what does side note to Ashley Wilcott, you
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  Speaker 1: know that's a. Actually it's a curse because that means,
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  Speaker 1: in my mind, she was aware of every single time
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  Speaker 1: she was raped. That's exactly right. That's what I think too.
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  Speaker 1: She could feel pain, she has emotions, she knows she's
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  Speaker 1: been violated. All of these things are horrific for her
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  Speaker 1: and her condition for anyone, but much less when she's
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  Speaker 1: in her condition and can't fight back. To Wendy Patrick,
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  Speaker 1: California Prosecutor, I mean, I can't even start my list
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  Speaker 1: of felonies. You're going to have to help me on this.
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  Speaker 1: But at first we thought we were told it was
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  Speaker 1: reported out of Hacienda by someone that she was in
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  Speaker 1: a coma, in a vegetative state, And I wondered, did
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  Speaker 1: she know what was happening to her? Every time this
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  Speaker 1: purv would sneak into her room, the alleged purv. Now
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  Speaker 1: that I'm learning that she does react to stimuli that
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  Speaker 1: her family has clarified she's not in a coma. To me,
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  Speaker 1: it's just it's worse because she knew what was happening,
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  Speaker 1: and she went in at age three. She doesn't know
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  Speaker 1: the ways of the world. She doesn't even know what
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  Speaker 1: was happening to her. Yeah, you know, Nancy, it's absolutely unthinkable. Well,
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  Speaker 1: it's heartbreaking, and adding to all of the outrage we're
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  Speaker 1: already feeling, is think about the employment here. This was
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  Speaker 1: a nurse. Statistically, nurses are trusted as some of the
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  Speaker 1: most honest and ethical professionals for whatever reason. They talk
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  Speaker 1: the list every year that is the person that is
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  Speaker 1: the suspect. Here. You talk about a betrayal of trust,
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  Speaker 1: and it's got to make people thinking all over the
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  Speaker 1: country that have loved ones that are being cared for.
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  Speaker 1: How well are these people screened? And I understand the
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  Speaker 1: facility says very well. Yet none, well, very well, very
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  Speaker 1: very well. Yeah, I bet they are saying that. Brian Claypool,
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  Speaker 1: You're the renowned California defense attorney. How in the world
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  Speaker 1: is this guy, this defense lawyer, jumping up and saying
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  Speaker 1: there's no proof my guy did it. According to reports, Pride,
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  Speaker 1: the DNA from the baby says he did do it.
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  Speaker 1: He's a nurse, a male nurse that works there. He
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  Speaker 1: had access and for about that he could be so
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  Speaker 1: nice on the street. Is DNA matches the baby? Yeah, Nancy,
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  Speaker 1: I never thought I'd be saying this is a defense lawyer.
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: But the lawyer for this defendant is in a heap
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: of trouble. His witness testimony can vary and there could
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: be discrepancies and people can perceive things differently. But forensic
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: physical evidence here, DNA evidence links this perverb to this
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: this four victim, and you're not really helping You're you're
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: not really helping him right now. Okay, so you're supposed
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: to be taking a defense side, but I guess part
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: of the defense side is looking at reality and trying
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: to work with it. Yeah, well, the reality here is
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: that is what you've talked about, because you have a
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: woman that can't help herself, she can't defend herself. It's
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: it's shocking, she's defenseless. And if his DNA matches the babies,
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: then that this is a rape. And like you said,
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: we need to find how many times has happened. But
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: to me, it's bigger than that. I mean, I think
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: there's another crime that's occurred here, and that's criminal negligence
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: with the former CEO of this nursing on the whole
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: kid in Kaboo, Brian Claypool, not just the CEO, but
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: everybody that was going in there changing her clothes, giving
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: her sponge bass the bedpan, changing her sheets. Now they say,
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: we didn't know she was pregnant. We have respiratory heresion. Well,
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: what's going on on now? Were we able to get
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: the baby out? Is a baby breathing? Is a baby breathing? Baby?
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: It's not breathing? Baby is blue? Okay? So are they
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: doing CPR? Are they doing? Yeah, they're doing CTR on
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: the baby. Okay, good, Just keep going with that. And
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: how's the mom doing. Mom's doing well. It looks like
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: she's doing well. We had no idea the person was pregnant.
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: We had no idea if the creation was pregnant. Okay,
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: I understand they doesn't know how far along as he
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: was or anything. We have no idea. This is a
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: complete suphrase. We were not expecting this. You are hearing
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: part of the nine one one call that we have
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: obtained when hassi into healthcare, has uh is calling to
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: say a patient, a quadriplegic who many people thought was
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: in a vegetative state or family says no, had just
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: given birth. Back to John Linley, you know what John Linley,
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: Crime online dot Com investigative reporter hold on doctor Williams
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: July joining me veteran psychologist. You can find him at
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: doctor William July dot com. Doctor July, the mind of
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: a person that would rape an incapacitated woman who has
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: had apparently brain damage as a quadriplegic, can't speak, and
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: doctor July, I'm not a gambling person, but I know odds.
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: I find it very unlikely. The only time this ever
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: happened got pregnant the first time. I don't believe that.
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: I think whoever did this has been sneaking in and
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: out of this poor lady's room over and over and
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: over under the guise of being a nurse. Why are
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: there letting a male nurse be in their OH line
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: with an incapacity date a female I don't know, But
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: the mind of someone that would do that, Doctor July,
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: what is that, Nancy? This is a very really just
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: disturbing story on so many levels. The personality of a
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: person that will do this is a person who has
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: very little remorse, very little regard for other people. This
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: is about power and control. It's not about sex as
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: much as is aboutout power and control. It is someone
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: if you can imagine, which most of us on here
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: cannot imagine, someone who is seeking to find a vulnerable person,
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: a child, a paraplegic, someone who cannot defend themselves and
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: who cannot articulate that they're being attached. That is what
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: this type of personality is seeking. As sick as that is,
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: they want to find someone and they look for it.
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: They patrol for people in society so that they can
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: control and manipulate and take advantage of in many ways.
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: So when you think about that, as much as we
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: like nurses, my mom was an r N and she
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: was an angel, but there are people that are attracted
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: to positions in which they have power access of this nature.
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: So we have to be very very close and screening
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: who gets into facilities like this and keep eyes on
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: that person. I have worked in facilities like this before
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: providing services, and I can tell you you must check
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: on your relatives, friends and family. You need to go
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: by and you need to actively let the staff know
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: that you're coming by. Somebody's watching missus Smith in room
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: three or five, or family is going to ask questions,
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: and you need to be regularly present there because things
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: can happen even in the quote unquote better facilities. Well,
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: another that brings another question. Did the family not notice
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: she was pregnant. I mean from what I don't know,
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: but I understand that the baby was full termed. Nobody
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: noticed for nine months she was pregnant. But I don't think, yeah,
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: I don't think it's just the alleged perp. And as
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: a matter of fact, as you know, John, Lemley, Jackie Alan,
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: many of you, Ashley, my dad was a heart patient
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: for many, many years before he went to heaven. We
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: would not even let him to spend the night alone
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: in the hospital. And when my mom has been the
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: hospital since then, I stay with her. In no way
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: am I leaving her alone. I may trust the daughters
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: and the nurses, but who else can get into that room?
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: I don't know, and I am dog sure going to
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: be right there at the foot of that bed. You know,
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: so many questions running through my mind, Ashley Willcot. You know,
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: when you try cases or when you're reporting on a
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: story like this, it's easy just to report the headline.
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: But let's, as I always say to juries, let's follow through.
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: Let's follow through. Let's think this through. This lady, this
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: woman in her twenties is lying there in the bed.
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: She's a quadriplegic, she's been described by many as being
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: in a coma, but her family says she can respond
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: to stimuli around her. She can't speak. She has numerous seizures.
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: Think about it. The purp goes in her room, looking
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: up and down the hall to see if anybody's watching.
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: There are no cameras there at Hussy into healthcare sneaks
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: into her room. What does he do? Lock the door,
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: barricade the door. He sees her lying there in the bed.
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: She can probably at least move her eyeballs toward the
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: movement and look at him. Instead of taking care of her,
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: he drops his trousers, and this poor lady is just
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: lying there. M Now, let's just hold that thought. What
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: if this was your daughter, Nancy. You've equated her to
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: a young, young, young child, an infant, a toddler, and
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: that's exactly the right thing to equate her too. It
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: is no different than if someone raped your infant, your toddler,
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: because they can feel everything, but they can't fight back,
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: they can't defend. They're helpless. This kerb needs to go
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: away and never get out. The Other thing I want
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: to say, Nancy, is I know you said you know.
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: Can you imagine him locking the door, barricading the door,
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: not necessarily. If he's brazen enough to do this, I
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: think he's also brazen enough to wander stroll into the
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: room and not really be too concerned with anyone catching
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: him because he thought he could get away with it
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: in the first place. To John Limley, Crime online dot
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: Com investigative reporter John in the last hours, the alleged perp,
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: Nathan Sutherland, a thirty six year old male nurse, has
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: been charged with raping this twenty nine year old woman
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: at hassiena healthcare facility there in Phoenix. What happened, It's
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: my understanding. He refused to speak, He invoked his Fifth
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: Amendment rights to cops, and then he refused to enter
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: a plee in front of the judge. What happened start
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: at the beginning. Yeah, it was baffling. His lawyer said
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: there was no proof that he did this right in
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: the face of the DNA evidence. The defendant again, Nathan
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: Sutherland has worked at Hacienda for eight years. State records
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: show that he first became a clinical nursing assistant in
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: two thousand and five, before becoming an LPN a Licensed
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: Practitioner nurse and here's the show's stopping information about him.
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: He is a thirty six year old Haitian native and
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: describes himself as a devout Christian who regularly tours churches
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: performing Christian rap songs with his sister m One of
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: those skills would come in handy behind bars. Guys, I
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  Speaker 1: They're still yeah, they're still trying to do compressions and
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: their suctioning the baby. Okay, good, good, you guys are
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: doing a great job. We've got to help on the way. Okay,
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: all right, thank you, do you worry? Just hang up
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: with you, and then I want to see ow they're doing. Okay,
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: and I need you to give me the address. Yeah,
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: let's get the vital machine. I'll vityl the mom. She
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: had a baby. Look at there's a baby right there. Okay,
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: there's build doing confessions on the baby right yeah. And
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: mom's doing fine, God, was doing fine. She is. We're
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: gonna about to take some vitals on her. We're so first,
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: she looks stable. What is your name? Him? My name
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: is I'm the nurse. Hold give me one second, let
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: me she'll be something I can go take a look
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: at her chart and give you a r exactly. Thank you.
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: Someone's gonna go give me the chart. Wow, oh my goodness,
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: you are hearing the nine one one call that we
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: obtained a play for you. Sounds like nobody knows their
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: uh rear in from a hole in the ground at
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: hasse and to healthcare. Uh, nobody knows how old she is.
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: Nobody has any information. Hey, they didn't even know she
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: was nine months pregnant until the baby was born in
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: that state's exhibit number one. Brian Claypool, California defense attorney.
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: Nobody can say this didn't happen knowing the victim can't
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: say anything back because the baby who lived by the
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: way and is doing well. Just bring that little talk
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: into the courtroom, Brian Claypool. What's the defense that Trinty
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: going to say to that? And forget the DNA? He
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: probably looks just like the dad. Yeah, I know the
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: DNA evidence doesn't look good, but you're one good. It's
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: probably one and about forty five trillion. And I'm not
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: even making that up what you just heard in the background.
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: We have a guest in the studio today and he
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: started laughing so hard he actually snorted hold of snorts down. Okay,
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: so doesn't look good. You know the statistics in DNA science,
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: it literally is probably about one and a couple of
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: trillion that it's anybody else other than this guy. Doesn't
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: look good. I realized that. But what you have to
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: do is you've got to look at a couple of things. Okay,
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: what's the DNA trustings done properly? Is there any any
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: anything toxic about the DNA evidence. You've got to look
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: at the history of this nurse. He had eight years.
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: He has an uncheckered history, no prior for reports of
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: sexual assault. Neither does Scott Peterson. Yeah, while I'm saying
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: is you can't rush to judgment. We've got to look
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: to make sure the evidence was safeguarded. You know what,
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: I don't know that Johnny Cochrane would appreciate you stealing
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: his line on this one anyway, But I respect you,
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: Brian Claypool for actually saying that with a straight face,
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: or at least it sounds like a straight face. John Limley,
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: Crime online dot Com investigative reporter, did I just hear
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: you say he is a Christian rapper? That's a yes
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: no answer. John Limley, a Christian rapper. Yes, indeed, that's
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: exactly correct. I said yes or no. Okay. I want
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: everybody to enjoy the next thirty four seconds because we
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: have managed to obtain sound from a stage appearance by
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: the accused Nathan Sutherland. Stop allowing what your situation dictate
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: who you are in life. Just because your mom and
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: dad aren't together. Uh yeah, it makes a big difference.
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: It does make a big difference. But do not use
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: that as an excuse. You have your own mind, Jesus.
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: Jesus gave your own mind to you, your your your
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: your spirit. You have instructions. It's up to you, who
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: you know um to decide which way you wanna go
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: and stuff. Oh I am so happy. I'm so happy
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: that Nathan Sutherland has actually spoken publicly here. He's talking
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: about to the audience about how to rise above negative circumstances.
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: Don't blame others, don't use them as an excuse for
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: your surroundings or your situation. You know that will certainly
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: come in Handy Wendy Patrick when he ends up behind
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: bars on this, because there's not gonna be no denying.
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: That is his baby that's right, Nancy, And it's funny
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: we're already talking about sentencing because you're right, with a
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: DNA mash really know where to go with that except
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: to have some kind of circumstances you can argue in
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: mitigation post conviction, whether it's conviction by plea or conviction
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: after a jury trial. But countering that also is the
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: fact that you don't get much vulnerable then the position
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: that this victim was in. And you also don't have
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: the kind of really control over the patients as you
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: do when you're a nurse, you see them even more
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: often than the doctors do. So these are sort of
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: the two competing areas that they're going to hash out.
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: Somebody like Brian and I would be arguing opposing side
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: of this and sentencing because that appears to be where
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: this case is heading already, we're talking about what are
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: they going to argue? You know what, Hey, daven put
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: it out there because I don't want the defense attorney
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: to hear this. But Ashley Walcott, judge and lawyer, as
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: you well know, when you prepare your case, you also
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: have to do a parallel preparation to anticipate what the
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: other sides are going to say, so you can just
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: shoot it down and be ready for it. Don't be surprised, Cord.
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: So where can they go? Let's think it through. The
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: DNA's got him. You know, he's caught red handed. But
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: could he claim he was in love, that they had
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: a relationship. I mean, there's nowhere else for him to go, Ashley,
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: there's nowhere else to go with a DNA match. Well,
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: I agree with you. I think he can say he's
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: in love. But Nancy, I hate to take this one
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: step further. What if he tries to say consent based
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: on the look in her eye, the look she was
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: giving him. I think a creative defense attorney's going to
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: go there, although it makes me want to throw up
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: because she could not consent. Well, yeah, that's what I'm
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: saying about being in love, you know, straw Cross lover
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: ors blah blah blah. I mean it's ridiculous, it's horrific
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: and disgusting and not true. Because this woman can't even speak.
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: She has constant seizures. According to her family, she's age aplegic.
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: Some people that within Hacienda Healthcare had described her as
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: being in a coma or in a vegetative state. So,
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: Brian Claypool, you're the defense lawyer. I'm at I'm glad
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: you're the defense lawyer like me, not me, because I
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: sure wouldn't want to have to defend this case for
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: a living. Um, I think I'd have to go back
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: to waiting tables and making sandwiches at the sub stot
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: where I used to work. But that aside, where else
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: can they go? Brian Claypool, Well, I think I think
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: that that is the argument that it's possible. You're gonna
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: have to look deeply into the medical records of the victim.
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: You're going to have to closely look at her comprehension level, whether,
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: for example, is she able to nod her head? Is
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: she able to understand if somebody says something like, you know,
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: would you like to do this? Does she not her head? Yes?
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: He is his defense lawyer gonna say they were able
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: to communicate in other means and her body language her
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: not have a head constitutes consent. So I think that's
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: where his defense layer is going to go to. Stephen Lampley,
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: Ace detective joining us. Stephen Lampley, what about the possibility
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: of other victims? Well, that's that's very possible Mansie, as
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: well as herself being a victim more than once. I
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: don't know where the investigation is in that, but it's
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: very possible that not only could he have had relations
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: with her, not relations. It's right, let's be clear on that,
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: Stephen Lampley, hold on, I want you to hear something
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: from John Limley about this guy. What more do we know?
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: And factor that in your opinion, Stephen. John go ahead.
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: A former neighbor, describes the nurse Nathan Sutherland as a
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: quiet family man. She would run into him a few
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: times a week, they would have a chat. She would
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: see that the couple leave for church every Sunday, not
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: only the couple but also their kids as well. Very interestingly,
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: it has emerged that just three weeks before the woman
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: he is now accused of raping gave birth, the wife
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: of Hacienda Healthcare nurse Nathan Sutherland filed for divorce after
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: six years of marriage. Wow, I'd like to get a
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: look at those divorce filings for right now, we know
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: that Nathan Sutherland has refused to enter a play before
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: a judge. When that happens, the court automatically and is
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: a not guilty, play for you. We wait as justice unfolds.
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: Nancy Grace Constory signing off goodbye friend,