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Episode 324- Rick and Elaine Discuss the Book of Job- Episode 26- Live Q and A · The Burros of Berea Podcast

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  Woo! I can't see Heather. You can't see Heather.
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  No, no, maybe she might pop up in a minute. It's
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  like, yeah. Yeah. Do you see Bobby? No, not now.
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  No, you've taken, you've taken him away because
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  it's put, it's got, it's your, oh look, Karen
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  Rogers joined. That's right. Yeah. I can't see
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  anybody now, Rick. Really? Okay. Heather, Heather
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  speak on your, hi Karen. This is fun. Hello.
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  Hello. Hello. Who's this? That's Karen. There's
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  Karen. And then there's Heather. Which, which
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  one are you looking at? One has black hair. One
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  has red hair. Um, I don't know. I can't, I can't
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  remember. Red hair. I think that's Karen. Reddish
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  Brown hair. Well, I can't, well in the light,
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  it's in the light. He's got a shovel and he's
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  trying to take himself out. Just so you know,
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  just so you know, and then Heather, Say hi, Heather.
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  Hey. Hello, darling. Look at that beautiful face.
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  Oh, thank you. Oh, look at this. I'm in a bit
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  of youth on the go. I know it's so awesome. It
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  is. Let's see. I'm getting notifications. So
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  we got Karen, Heather, Bobby, Cheryl, you, me.
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  Yep. And I'm expecting, let's see, I think Cameron
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  and Jalen said they were going to jump in at
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  some point, but just keep in mind for an hour
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  that, you know, some might come in, some might
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  come out. Cheri said she was going to join us
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  at some point in the hour. And don't forget everybody.
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  Don't forget everybody. If I seem a little bit
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  tired or a little bit quiet, I've got to remember
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  my husband's asleep. If I get really loud in
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  that, he's going to sort of think, hmm. It's
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  midnight in Spain. Just so you know, she stayed
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  up for this. Wow. Thank you. Thank you. No, you
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  don't have to thank me. No, it's all mine. It's
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  so lovely to see you all. Like I said to Rick,
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  it doesn't matter. If it was one o 'clock in
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  the morning, I would have stayed up. I mean,
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  if we ever do it again, it's not a hard... Unmute
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  your mic, Tony. There's Tony Driver. Say hi,
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  Tony. Hi, everybody. There she is. Hello, Tony.
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  How are you, darling? How are you? I'm well.
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  Oh, excellent. That's it. Keep pulling your camera
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  down. Yeah. So Tony, Tony introducing Karen Rogers,
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  who is one of my dearest, dearest friends. Of
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  course, there's your daughter, Heather. And then
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  Bobby and Cheryl out of Texas. This is Tony the
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  driver. She's the she's the mastermind with all
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  of the music. And when you hear iron sharpens
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  iron on our show, it's Tony wrote that song.
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  Oh, bless. She's super gifted. Well, again, it's
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  everybody's got their everybody's got their talent,
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  haven't they? Yeah. Karen Rogers was the youngest
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  female jockey to win at Belmont. Did you know
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  that? No. Where's Belmont? In New York. New York.
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  I'm talking about like. Yes, that's her. Hey,
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  you got my book. Oh, that's so cool. Yeah, I
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  took them down there to Kannapolis. And so, yeah,
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  that's her. You're meeting her. How can I ask,
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  how comes I can't, can everybody else see everybody
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  else? Yes. Make the screen big. You know what,
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  hey listen, Elaine, turn your phone 180 degrees
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  and see if it fixes it for you. No. Flip it one
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  more time. Nope, go the other way. Yeah, and
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  then flip it one more time. See if that helps.
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  No, it doesn't help at all. No, I've got nobody.
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  No, I've only got, no, it's just you. And every
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  now and again, somebody pops in. Only when they
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  speak, huh? I don't know. Somebody speak and
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  see if they come on. Hello? Oh, no, I can see,
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  I can see, I can see the lady with the brown
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  hair, the chestnut hair. Yeah, that's Karen.
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  Yeah. All right, if you tap your screen, Elaine,
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  do you have any options? Does it give you any
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  kind of options? Let me see. It says, it just
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  says, oh, hang on, mute, stop video, audio, participants.
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  Can I pop that one? Should I push that one? Participants.
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  Try it. Try it, see what happens. No, it just
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  says there's five participants, six including
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  the person that set it up. OK, then let's see
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  down under video. Give us one second, guys. We're
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  going to see if this is all new for us. Can everybody
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  else see everybody else on their screen? Yeah,
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  because they're on computers. If you were on
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  your laptop, you might be able to see better.
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  Oh, right. Maybe that's what it is. You see,
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  I'm antiquated. Antiquated. No, laptops are antiquated.
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  Phones are new. Well, I've got an iPhone 5. Well,
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  that's an iPhone that's pretty new no no an iPhone
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  5 is like probably It's very very old you have
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  to move over a bit so my face is if i put my
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  little face that's it i can see your face this
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  is this is really lovely isn't it yeah that's
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  what um that's what i was hoping would happen
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  such a lovely jolly a very very captivating um
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  filled with light smile and so is bobby not that
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  everybody has actually i mean i don't know why
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  i'm saying that Oh, I know. All you can see is
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  my teeth. So listen, the one of a night time
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  when I smile, all you can see is my teeth. Everybody
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  takes a mickey out of my teeth. I'm sort of like,
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  you know, fitting them in for a horse or something.
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  But yeah, you're hilarious. I didn't say yes,
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  I didn't say yes. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So
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  no, no, so I wanted to tell everybody that I
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  don't know if you guys realize just how much
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  Like each one of you mean to us. Yeah, how much
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  you guys mean to us? We when we do these studies
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  together, we kind of we look forward to those
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  comments We look forward to hear what you guys
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  have to say or anything that you know comes in
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  I never knew that this is what job was about
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  I've always Chris Olson, a friend of mine said
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  this is one of those flyover books. You just
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  read through it and just keep going because you
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  always thought you knew what it was. But that
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  didn't happen this time. And I think a lot of
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  it had to do with the grief and the suffering
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  and all the stuff that was going on, but also
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  just laying it before the Lord and really slowing
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  down with Elaine. And Elaine loves to dig into
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  words and letters and really gets into it. And
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  so that has been life changing for me. This book
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  has been life changing for me. And so thank you
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  guys for being here with us. Absolutely. And
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  again, for me, I mean, as I say, I don't really
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  get comments because I just don't. Rick gets
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  them his end. So I rely on Rick filling me in
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  sort of thing. But yeah, I love you all. I just
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  wish that I could read the comments at the same
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  time as Rick does, but I can't. But don't ever
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  think, because I don't ever reply, if Rick's
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  sort of, I can't. And I have to wait until we
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  get together like this to be able to say, well,
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  I know that you're there, Rick reads the comments
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  to me, and yeah, I don't get to see them. When
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  she comes to America in August, I'm buying her
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  a new iPhone With an Apple ID and she's going
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  to be able to do all this Well, actually I've
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  got my daughter gave me an iPhone an iPhone Something
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  I somewhere around it is so she's giving me she's
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  giving me an iPhone 10 or 12 or something Yeah,
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  yeah. Yeah, she showed me that one in our and
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  she showed me that has actually has got a bigger
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  screen Which means you probably could see everybody
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  All right, Cameron just said he's on the way
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  so they're getting ready to jump in. Oh Excellent.
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  Excellent. This is such a family, isn't it? Oh,
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  I love everybody here and so Karen Elaine Elaine
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  me Karen So Karen Elaine is my she is my prayer
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  warrior like she just every we talk all the time
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  and she's the one that Always reminds me kingdom
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  first. Remember the kingdom. Remember the Lord
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  Jesus like she's that She's almost like a she's
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  like a little brown haired Jiminy Cricket. Brown
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  haired. Always let your conscience be your guide.
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  No, no, no. Let the Holy Spirit be your guide.
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  Exactly. That's what I'm saying. Conscious Holy
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  Spirit. Same spirit. Yeah, no, not your conscience.
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  That really can get you into trouble. Let's see.
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  All right, so Cameron needs an invite, so let
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  me... Oh, are you doing it? Yeah, are you? Oh,
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  hello Heather darling. Well, go ahead, go ahead.
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  Have you got it? Yeah, just send it to him. Heather's
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  got a fish on the wall. A fish and a deer antlers.
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  That's my husband's. Yeah. Your husband's on
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  the wall, is he the fish or is he the deer? Yes,
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  let's see here. Where are you from, Heather?
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  Texas? No, North Carolina. She's from Annapolis.
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  And where's TFDRI from? It's Tony Driver. She
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  is also from Kannapolis. Actually, China Grove
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  is where... What's the F for? Tony F Driver?
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  Yeah. Tony F and Driver? Is that what you said?
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  This is my middle initial. Oh, okay. I'd like
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  you guys to meet Elaine F and Clark. Let's get
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  it right. Um, so Cameron and Jaylen are about
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  to jump on, I think here in just a second. Oh,
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  that's a real shame. I can't see you. Is Cameron
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  your husband, Tony? No, but yes. Yeah, she actually
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  here. He's actually here with me, but he didn't
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  want to be on the camera. The Cameron he's talking
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  about is my son. Oh, okay. There's two drivers.
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  That's why. Right. Maxi driver, front seat driver.
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  Yeah, and actually Heather on there is my daughter.
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  There's Cameron. Hello, sorry, I was, I joined
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  from my phone. I had to figure out my settings.
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  Yeah, you're all good. Hi Cameron. Hey, nice
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  to meet you. Yeah, nice to meet you too. You
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  got some beard growing there. Yeah, yeah, you
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  know, it's gotta come in. Oh dear, oh dear, that's,
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  that's, is that, Heather, do you, you, you are
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  his wife? No, my wife is my sister. I mean, he's
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  my brother. Wait a minute, Heather's a driver
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  too? Formerly a driver. Gosh, you're all related.
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  Yeah, well, they all go to the same church. That's
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  how I met them. Oh, in North Carolina? Yeah.
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  Where are you, Karen? I'm in New Jersey. Oh,
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  right, you're sort of up there. What's that?
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  Yeah, I'm in the Northeast. Oh, right. That's
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  up by New York way, isn't it? Yes, yes, yes.
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  Right. I mean, you've got to remember, I'm not
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  particularly au fait with America because I don't
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  live there too much, but I know it's up there.
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  Where are you in? You're in England or Spain?
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  I'm in Spain at the moment. I should be in England
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  in a few days' time. But I live... Have you ever
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  heard of Alicante? Oh, wow. Is that in Spain
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  or England? Spain. Sorry. There's Jalen and C3.
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  Hey, buddy. Yes. Okay. So Jalen, I am recording
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  this. Is that going to be a problem with C3 being
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  on here? Oh, yes. Okay. Sorry. Henry was trying
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  to explain that to me. My bad. I did not understand
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  that. Yes. I'll put him in his jumper real quick.
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  I'll be right back. No problem. I just didn't,
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  I know how they feel about not wanting the baby.
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  I was about to say that, so thank you. You were
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  ignoring me. I apologize, I'm just in my own
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  little world. It's all good. Whenever, just so
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  you guys know, whenever I put this out, I will
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  blur his face, okay? Thank you. Thank you. Absolutely.
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  So everyone's from North Carolina except for
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  Elaine and you. Oh, Bobby and Cheryl, and me.
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  You're from Texas. What part of Texas? Near Abilene.
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  I have a friend in Ozono, but that's way out
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  there. Yeah. Central. Yeah, Ozono, South of Ozono,
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  Nottingham, yeah. So I just got a text from Cherry.
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  She said, I am covered in black muck. I don't
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  think you guys want to see me in your video.
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  She was working on her camper. I was like, hop
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  on. We want to see your nasty face. So does anybody
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  have any questions or any comments or anything
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  that you guys do in the job study? I know some
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  of you probably have only just started or may
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  not have heard anything at all, or maybe you
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  want to get into this study later and you want
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  to ask questions about the book. because those
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  of us who have been through this whole journey
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  know that we went in deep in this book. There's
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  a lot to it. Does anybody have anything at all?
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  This is what the live Q &A is for. Have you got
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  any questions? Have you got anything that you
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  can add to anything or anything that you sort
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  of didn't agree with or something that you found
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  that you could have gone in a different direction
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  or something like that? Anybody anybody See,
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  can I just tell you I can't see everybody you
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  can see everybody on your screen I can't so if
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  I look a bit vague is because I can't I can't
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  see everybody So if if Elaine looks a little
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  dense Okay, what's that? I didn't follow the
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  whole thing. I just saw the last one and I thought
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  it was really good, but I'm familiar with the
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  book. So why do you think God waited till the
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  very, very end to show up and humble Job? Why
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  do you think he waited to the very end? Did you
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  cover that? That's a great question. Have you
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  got any? Have you got any thoughts on that? Is
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  that why you brought it up? Karen? No. My opinion
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  of the book, and I like what you guys said at
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  the end, it made a lot of sense to me that when
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  I heard Rick saying that he accepted the others
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  were like the Gentiles because of him, I like
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  that Israel thing, which I never had seen before.
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  My thing with the book was I always thought that
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  God was basically humbling Job. He thought he
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  was all that. And then finally, And he's like,
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  now listen to me, you know, you're, you're just
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  flesh. So that's the way see a lot of people
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  think he was so righteous. And in my opinion,
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  I didn't really go through the book deeply was
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  that God was showing him that only he's God.
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  And aside from Christ, we're nothing even though,
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  you know, because he was basically his works.
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  He was righteous, righteous, right? Well, I'm
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  great. I'm great. And people think, you know,
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  when they talk about job, they say, Oh, job was
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  so righteous, but what I took from it was the
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  end part where God was humbling him and saying,
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  and then he said, oh my gosh, yeah, you're right,
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  I'm humble. He let him go through all that to
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  be a humble man again and to see his need for
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  Christ. Do you think, do you think that right
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  at the very beginning where it says there that
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  do you know that Job is a righteous man, he's
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  upright and blameless? So again, God already
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  understood Job's heart. He already knew Joe's
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  heart. But nobody is righteous except through
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  Christ. That's what I take from the book because
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  of the end. Best righteousness is not righteous
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  unless you have Christ. 100%. 100%. I don't think
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  he said righteous, actually. I think he said
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  upright. Upright, yep. Upright and blameless.
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  So therefore, God already knew the character
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  of the man. He didn't turn around and say, well,
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  actually, he's a sinner. He's not really much
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  caught and he needs humbling. He actually said,
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  if you set my sight on my servant Job, that he's
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  upright and blameless. So therefore God would
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  already assess the character of the man. I think
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  for me, I don't think that he was trying to bring
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  Job down. I think he was taking Job forward in
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  the relationship, because Job already had an
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  external relationship with God. But I think that's
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  what he knew. But I think because God knew that
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  he was an upright and blameless man, I think
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  God wanted to take him forward. And sometimes,
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  you know, in deep trauma, these are the times
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  that we learn things about ourselves, other people,
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  and also about where God is taking us. So for
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  me, it was a journey of revelation for everybody.
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  It wasn't necessarily just about Job. It was
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  about Satan watching what was going on. It was
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  about God going to come in at the end. It was
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  about the three comforters that were sitting
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  there. Their characters were exposed. Elihu,
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  the young man. Again, it reminded me really of
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  Paul with Timothy. He said, don't let anybody
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  look down on your youth. So again, there's a
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  lot going on there where everybody is learning
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  something, Karen. Yeah, I mean, not going through
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  the study with you, my take was always that even
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  the most upright and the most righteous, he took
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  the most working, the most wonderful, and he
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  put him down to say, you're nothing. Basically,
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  our works are kind of like filthy rags unless
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  we have Christ. That was my picture of the book
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  without, but I didn't go through it with you,
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  so I don't know. I liked how you put the end
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  together, that's all I heard. I think, again,
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  what is the whole point of Job? Is it to sort
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  of bring him down and to put him in his place?
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  Or once again, like I say, is it for Satan to
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  understand that really, if somebody says that
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  they love the Lord and they are not going to
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  blaspheme, they're not going to turn away, they're
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  not going to curse God, they're not going to
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  do any of that. And that was one thing that's,
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  it's a bit like, satan again with christ wouldn't
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  it they you know trying to get rid of him put
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  him on the cross and thought he was gonna that
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  was it that was the end of him but he didn't
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  realize it but actually that was the salvation
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  of us it's it you know you we can see things
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  from the outside you know and we look at things
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  but when you when you go deeply into the character
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  do you think he was self -righteous or do you
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  think he he was okay to say how great he was
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  that's my question i don't think he was saying
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  how great he was i think what he was saying was
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  he couldn't work out because what you could determine
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  to say is a just god a just god it would repay
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  something to someone if they'd done something
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  and that was the whole idea of the three that
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  were accusing Job of being unrighteous or a sinner
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  in some shape or form because in the eyes of
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  the men they were saying, well, look, at the
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  end of the day, if God is a just God, and you're
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  being punished for this, or you look like you're
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  being punished because, you know, your children
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  are gone, your livestock's gone, your family,
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  basically everything's gone, now you're in this
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  position. Well, if God is just, why is he doing
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  this to you? So their reasoning was, you must
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  have deserved it. You must have done something.
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  And that was the whole - Yeah, but even the most
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  righteous people in the world don't get an easy
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  ride. So that's not really a good, like, Even
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  great people horrible things happen to them.
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  So that doesn't mean God isn't just well, that's
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  that was the point of his three friends Yeah,
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  his three friends would say no he he's going
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  to you know, God is going to judge these people.
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  Yeah Yeah, we talked about that. Is that those
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  three shouldn't say cuz I didn't follow it. So
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  well, no, but it's okay that you're asking It's
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  very difficult for you to come in and say these
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  things when the study was over six months, really,
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  or whatever. And we went into that type of thing
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  in great detail, Karen. That's the - Right. I
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  didn't even know you had the study personally.
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  I got the last one because I had just joined
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  Patreon because when I had joined it a long time
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  ago, they booted me and I got upset about that.
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  So I didn't want to be on Patreon. Oh. And then
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  somehow I got through. Yeah, they booted me without
• 22:48
  - I said, Rick, did you kick me off Patreon?
• 22:49
  He said, no. So I don't want to be part of, I
• 22:52
  don't know what happened, but. Well, yeah. I'm
• 22:57
  sure it was a mistake, Karen. Yeah. So I deals
• 23:00
  directly with Rick. I don't deal through Patreon.
• 23:02
  So that's why I didn't really know about the
• 23:03
  study. So anyway. That's how, see I've got Karen
• 23:07
  dealing directly through me. I got Elaine dealing
• 23:08
  directly through me. What is this? I'm the mediator.
• 23:12
  Well, to be honest with you, I mean, I would
• 23:14
  like, you don't have to be the hub of everything,
• 23:17
  but you just actually happen to be the hub of
• 23:19
  everything. of the hubba hubba of everything.
• 23:22
  Hey, guess what? Cherry Lewis is joining. I just
• 23:25
  saw her pop up. She's she doesn't have her video
• 23:28
  or is not unmuted yet. Let's see. There she is.
• 23:31
  Say hello, Cherry. Hi, how are y 'all? Can you
• 23:36
  just to let you know that I can't see every now
• 23:39
  and again, individuals sort of like come up on
• 23:41
  the screen, but mostly it's it's I get to look
• 23:44
  at that that movie that I look at all the time,
• 23:47
  which is Rick. That movie Are you calling me
• 23:54
  a cow? Hey, look with the shirt. Look at the
• 23:56
  shirt that cherries way wearing. Is that even
• 23:59
  Andy? It is even Andy even Andy Yeah, Andy Me
• 24:04
  and Andy have been on top of the camper Trying
• 24:09
  to fix a leak on my slide out and so I don't
• 24:11
  even know what I look like at this point except
• 24:14
  for I washed my hands so Well, thanks for jumping
• 24:20
  on. And all of you guys know that this is like
• 24:23
  a hop on hop off. Feel free to stay on the whole
• 24:25
  time. If you can't, it's totally understandable.
• 24:29
  The thing the thing I was going to say about
• 24:31
  Job, you know, when you think about Jesus Christ,
• 24:34
  who is coming from glory and then he comes down
• 24:38
  in the flesh and then he walks this earth and
• 24:41
  he has these humble, you know, this humble livelihood,
• 24:45
  right? He's he doesn't even have a home to lay
• 24:47
  his head. He's A nomad that's walking around
• 24:50
  from town to town. And then he goes, he has these
• 24:57
  amazing abilities that that the father has given
• 25:00
  him. The spirit is using him and driving him.
• 25:02
  But then he ends up going to a very brutal death
• 25:07
  and then he is buried. Right. And that's when
• 25:10
  you think about Job. Joe beforehand was kind
• 25:13
  of in the heights. He was he was up there. Everything
• 25:16
  was good. And then he was leveled and he was
• 25:19
  brought down very low into the dust and ashes.
• 25:23
  And then while he's in the dust and ashes, he
• 25:26
  goes through the three speech cycles. And then
• 25:33
  at the end of the book, after Elihu comes in,
• 25:36
  like I said, like a John the Baptist character
• 25:38
  to me, he's like or a prophet class character.
• 25:41
  It to me when you see job elevated that is showing
• 25:45
  how christ who was in the glory of the father
• 25:49
  before came to the humbleness of life and made
• 25:53
  himself a servant even to the death of a cross.
• 25:56
  And then he was elevated he is the king of the
• 25:59
  universe at the right hand of the father right
• 26:01
  so the whole story. In my opinion, this whole
• 26:05
  story is about Christ, but it's about Israel
• 26:07
  in Christ, I think, is what's going on. And I
• 26:10
  think it's told outside of the covenant line
• 26:12
  on purpose because it's going to bring in all
• 26:15
  of the, wow, look at all these people. This is
• 26:18
  amazing. Everybody just popped up on my screen.
• 26:20
  I don't know why I did it, but that's really
• 26:21
  cool. I can only see you again. I'm sorry. No,
• 26:27
  it's an extreme disappointment. It is. I can't
• 26:30
  help it. You sound like my wife. So is there.
• 26:36
  Oh, hello, Heather. Oh, so you saw Heather. She
• 26:40
  popped up for about a second and she disappeared.
• 26:42
  I don't know why they keep popping up. Oh, hello.
• 26:48
  You've popped up, Heather. Whoever speaks should
• 26:50
  pop up on your screen, Elaine. Oh, well, someone
• 26:54
  speak. Anybody else want to chip in? Yeah, if
• 26:56
  you don't mind. Go ahead. You know, I think we
• 27:02
  can get really to apply what we've been taught
• 27:06
  to scripture, especially in the Old Testament,
• 27:09
  but it wasn't necessarily written with what we
• 27:12
  call step logic or like Greek logic. So just
• 27:16
  because. Events happen one thing after another
• 27:19
  doesn't mean the original author was writing
• 27:22
  it for that purpose So I in the end of the chapter
• 27:25
  in the middle of the book all of those are incidents
• 27:27
  that the author of job was intending to be told
• 27:29
  but they exist in a separate entity of the So
• 27:33
  it's not necessarily this happened and this happened
• 27:36
  and this happened and that's why this happens
• 27:38
  It's these are the things that happened and these
• 27:41
  are the relationship with God and each individual
• 27:44
  happening And that's a Jewish mind. Yeah, yeah,
• 27:48
  yeah. That's called a block logic. That's a Jewish
• 27:51
  mind. Now, a Jew would look at it and you could
• 27:54
  have things that were put on after what really
• 27:57
  happened before. But it really doesn't matter
• 27:59
  about the order. It's about the content. And
• 28:02
  that's the whole thing. Sometimes they'll say,
• 28:04
  you know, so and so had a child and then sort
• 28:06
  of like all of a sudden they've gone from one
• 28:08
  child and they've got like 25. And you think,
• 28:11
  well, what happened in between? But the rest
• 28:12
  of it, that doesn't matter to a Jew. It's the
• 28:15
  information that's there. It doesn't really matter.
• 28:17
  When it's put in, it's the fact that it's put
• 28:19
  in there. And I think that's the thing. It's
• 28:21
  having a Jewish mind or a Greek mind. And the
• 28:23
  sad thing is a Greek mind wants to know the ins
• 28:25
  and outs of everything where a Jewish mind accepts
• 28:29
  what's being placed there and you go with what's
• 28:31
  being placed there. Obviously it has to sort
• 28:33
  of like jive with the rest of the scriptures.
• 28:36
  But at the end of the day, I totally agree with
• 28:38
  you, Cameron. Yeah, I think we have, especially
• 28:42
  Greek thinkers, we want to pull God into our
• 28:46
  realm and put human thoughts onto God. But Greek
• 28:49
  logic's great, but you have to accept that God
• 28:52
  is where morality and goodness comes from. So
• 28:55
  he's capable of anything else. And you got to
• 28:57
  work from there and go. Absolutely. And again,
• 29:01
  that's the whole thing. You know, it's the same
• 29:03
  thing with Job. I mean, you imagine, you know,
• 29:05
  it doesn't tell you, you know, do they eat? Do
• 29:07
  they go to the toilet? I mean, do they have a
• 29:09
  poo or wee? I don't know. I mean, don't tell
• 29:10
  you that, does it? You know, don't though, does
• 29:13
  it? You know, I mean, they're sitting there for
• 29:16
  seven days. You know, you would have thought
• 29:18
  they would have said, well, I've just got to
• 29:19
  go to the toilet. I've got, you know, just got
• 29:21
  to go to the bathroom or something. But again,
• 29:24
  it's not that, it's that don't matter. It's seven
• 29:25
  days sitting there and you just think, what were
• 29:27
  they doing for seven days? You know, but you
• 29:30
  accept it. The Bible says they were sitting there
• 29:32
  for seven days and then somebody starts talking.
• 29:34
  And they think that, well, that's probably enough
• 29:35
  really to sort of settle in and have this compassionate
• 29:38
  sort of viewpoint with him and, you know, just
• 29:40
  sit there and, you know, do the Jewish thing
• 29:42
  where we just comfort each other by not actually
• 29:45
  saying anything. And yeah, and then they go into
• 29:47
  it. So yeah, you know, all these little tiny
• 29:50
  things that you think that, you know, that you
• 29:52
  would do, I mean, they're not important to the
• 29:54
  story. It is, you know, what are you gleaning?
• 29:58
  from the whole thing. What is the whole thing
• 30:01
  from start to end telling you? And that's the
• 30:04
  thing. You know, Job starts off a very rich man
• 30:06
  and he ends up an even richer man. So you've
• 30:09
  got to say to yourself, how did you go from being
• 30:12
  rich to being very rich? You know, when you look
• 30:16
  like at the end of the day, Job looks like someone
• 30:18
  who's really, you know, well, like the comforters
• 30:22
  thinking you must have done something wrong.
• 30:24
  I mean, my house was flooded. We had a flood
• 30:26
  in Spain. six, seven years ago, 2019, just before
• 30:31
  COVID hit. And there was two meters of water
• 30:33
  in my home. And we lost every bit of furniture,
• 30:37
  every bit of clothing, everything like that.
• 30:39
  And you just think to yourself, what was my point,
• 30:41
  Rick? What did I do? What did I do wrong? Oh,
• 30:45
  that's right. This is it. And that's what somebody
• 30:47
  said to me. What did you do wrong? And I said,
• 30:50
  well, what makes you think I did anything wrong?
• 30:52
  Yeah, well, you got your house. I said, yeah,
• 30:54
  but there was like 96 ,000 other people suffer
• 30:56
  the same thing. You know, is God just going to
• 30:58
  attack me for $94 ,999 to suffer because of me?
• 31:04
  It's just one of those things. It just is, you
• 31:07
  know, you look through the Bible and I can guarantee
• 31:09
  you that most people that love God, they didn't
• 31:12
  have they didn't live a rosy life. I think that
• 31:15
  was the most for me when I first approached Job
• 31:18
  a long time ago, and the reason why I came back
• 31:21
  to it was because the first two chapters have
• 31:23
  always just shocked me. It just shocked me because
• 31:26
  I, you know, I guess that I had put, like Cameron
• 31:29
  said, you know, I tried to put God in a box and
• 31:32
  I couldn't understand why God would, when you
• 31:35
  think about this story, God is the one that brings
• 31:39
  up Job, you know, brings the attention of Job
• 31:43
  to this, you know, the satan, the adversary.
• 31:48
  About this courtroom again, aren't you? Yeah,
• 31:50
  and it's like, are you, you know, have you considered
• 31:53
  my servant Job? And then for God to allow him
• 31:55
  to say, sure, okay, you can take away all those
• 31:57
  things, but don't take his life. Right. And then
• 32:00
  a second time. like to entertain this again,
• 32:04
  like, oh, you even though you came against me,
• 32:06
  you see that Job still has not cursed me. He's
• 32:08
  still a blameless and upright man. Yes. Skin
• 32:11
  for skin. You know, to me, as I was reading that
• 32:14
  second chapter, I'm like, what is going on and
• 32:18
  why is something like I've heard enough Calvinism
• 32:20
  to know sovereignty discussion. Right. Like I
• 32:24
  when I first started reading this book, but I
• 32:26
  was like, this just doesn't even seem right.
• 32:28
  It doesn't seem right. Like I've got a I've got
• 32:31
  a hippie lovey Jesus, like in my brain, like
• 32:33
  at the time. And I didn't understand, like, how
• 32:36
  how does this work? And then I started thinking,
• 32:39
  well, if Job was offering sacrifices for his
• 32:44
  own children, I know as a father that I worry
• 32:47
  about my kids and I pray for my kids, you know,
• 32:50
  and and I'm thinking to myself, but but if God
• 32:55
  sees fit to do something with these children,
• 32:57
  just like what happened to my niece. to watch
• 33:01
  her parents go through this grief. When I talk
• 33:05
  to them today, they say things like, God has
• 33:09
  a purpose and a plan, but that doesn't mean I
• 33:11
  have to like it right now. And I was like, wow,
• 33:13
  I mean, that's very honest. So the first two
• 33:17
  chapters of Job just blew my mind. But then if
• 33:21
  you follow, as you go through it, I kept thinking,
• 33:24
  well, where's the Satan character? Where's the
• 33:26
  second character? He was in the mouth of the
• 33:28
  accusers. He was in the mouth of the ones that
• 33:30
  were saying things falsely against Job, like
• 33:33
  he never really went away. He was always there.
• 33:36
  But then, you know, it seems like as the cycle
• 33:40
  ends in this discussion, then Elihu comes in
• 33:44
  and he is on fire, like he is just burning with
• 33:48
  anger. Right. And that's why I don't know why,
• 33:53
  but it just all of a sudden I thought of John
• 33:55
  the Baptist like, you know, the axes laid at
• 33:56
  the tree, it's going to cut down, it's going
• 33:58
  to be thrown into the fire. You guys are a brood
• 34:00
  of vipers like he, you know. And then at the
• 34:04
  end, all got, you know, when God first starts
• 34:08
  talking, he's like, where were you when I made
• 34:09
  the world? And to me, I don't know if you guys
• 34:13
  ever feel this way, but I'm like, what the hell
• 34:15
  is going on? Like, I don't get it. Like, what
• 34:18
  is, have you guys ever thought that when you
• 34:19
  were reading it? Like, that's how I felt. And
• 34:22
  I was like, well, guys, emotions. They don't
• 34:25
  do anything for you. Like as we read it more
• 34:28
  and more, we were like, oh, wait a minute. Yeah.
• 34:30
  So Job wanted Job wanted to be in the courtroom,
• 34:33
  but God took him out of the courtroom and brought
• 34:36
  him to the judge. He brought him to himself.
• 34:39
  And that's what's so unique about the story.
• 34:43
  Job was trying to save his children and he was
• 34:45
  trying to do it. It wasn't necessarily self -righteousness.
• 34:49
  It just it wasn't the same thing as a true relationship
• 34:52
  like you would get later. That's why he says.
• 34:54
  My ears have heard, but now my eyes. It's more
• 34:58
  personal now. Remember how Elaine said that when
• 35:01
  Job was in the press of the oil, that gethsemane
• 35:04
  kind of like what Jesus did. When you think about
• 35:07
  when God said that to Satan in chapter one, have
• 35:10
  you considered a servant job? You got to think
• 35:13
  about what Paul says. All things work together
• 35:15
  for the good of those who love God and are called
• 35:17
  according to his purpose. If you think about
• 35:20
  what Paul says there and you put Job into that,
• 35:23
  in other words, when he spoke to Satan, he was
• 35:26
  going to make Job. He was going to bring Job
• 35:29
  closer to him. And the only way to do it is through
• 35:32
  suffering. I don't know why. I didn't make the
• 35:36
  world, but God did. I didn't stretch the line
• 35:38
  and lay the foundation. I don't know if it's
• 35:41
  a hippo or a crocodile. I don't have a clue.
• 35:43
  God does. Whatever it is that he's talking about,
• 35:46
  God is asking him. Job, you want to stand in
• 35:51
  court and you want to defend yourself and you
• 35:53
  don't even know who I am and you don't even know
• 35:55
  how I do what I do. You know nothing about me.
• 35:59
  But yet you're offering sacrifices. Yeah, all
• 36:02
  the way through that, though, you've got this
• 36:04
  idea that Job is a man that's thinking that you
• 36:11
  get to the point where you think that this man
• 36:12
  is definitely been taken on a journey. It's like
• 36:15
  every single one of us that's come Interpressorism,
• 36:19
  pastism. I mean, you know, you start off with
• 36:22
  one format and then you start to reason on something
• 36:25
  else and you go, well, it can't be that, surely
• 36:27
  it can't be that. So you're backwards and forwards
• 36:29
  because listening to that, you know, he's hearing
• 36:32
  your struggle, trying to sort of understand things.
• 36:34
  And I think it's the same with Job, but it was
• 36:37
  an extreme. You know, God already knew he was
• 36:39
  upright and blamed us. And that's what I'm saying.
• 36:41
  As you go through it, the man is reasoning. He's
• 36:43
  going through all this gambit of emotions. He's
• 36:47
  experienced all this. I mean, could you imagine,
• 36:49
  you know, sitting there with these saws and scraping
• 36:51
  it off with, you know, a sort of pottery to try
• 36:53
  and... I must have been excruciating. You know,
• 36:57
  I mean, we're sitting here discussing the chap
• 37:00
  and, you know, our brother, actually, and yet
• 37:04
  he's gone from having everything to, like I say,
• 37:07
  having even more at the end of it. So God must
• 37:10
  have known because God knows everything. He must
• 37:13
  have known the outcome. He must have understood
• 37:15
  that Job was going to sort of like, and that's
• 37:17
  the whole thing, isn't it? You know, if you are,
• 37:19
  if you are a lover of God and you truly want
• 37:21
  to understand where God wants to take you, what
• 37:23
  he's trying to teach you, you might wrestle with
• 37:25
  it. But at the end of the day, you want to get
• 37:28
  somewhere where you know, Lord, I want to arrive
• 37:30
  where you want me to be. And I think that that's
• 37:33
  what Job was. I mean, he had a worldview. Every
• 37:37
  single one of us had a worldview, maybe before
• 37:39
  we believe what we do today. And that's what
• 37:42
  I'm saying. Whereas you've got some people that
• 37:45
  are quite happy to be stuck where they are and
• 37:47
  they don't want to listen, they don't care what
• 37:49
  you say or anything like that. And then you've
• 37:52
  got other people that have an open heart and
• 37:54
  just say, Lord, I don't know everything. I don't
• 37:56
  know anything, actually. So therefore, will you
• 37:58
  lead me? And I think that's what Joe was doing
• 38:00
  in his sort of like wrestling with like, I've
• 38:04
  done this and I've done that. I don't think he
• 38:06
  was trying to say that because that's his worldview
• 38:08
  then. He thought, well, I've done everything
• 38:11
  that is needed to satisfy, to have a relationship,
• 38:16
  you know, to show God that I really love him.
• 38:18
  He was just doing the things that he knew until
• 38:21
  he went through this and then got open his eyes.
• 38:23
  And that's the thing. It's having God open your
• 38:26
  eyes to things. And for me, it's a journey in
• 38:31
  Revelation about Job and actually how upright
• 38:35
  and blameless he was. because he did go right
• 38:37
  the way to the end and recognize, I'm going to
• 38:40
  put my hand over my mouth. I don't know. I actually
• 38:43
  don't know anything. You know, and I think that
• 38:46
  that's a wonderful attitude to have. I mean,
• 38:47
  I know that God's talking to you. Come on, let's
• 38:49
  face it. You're not going to say, I'm going to
• 38:51
  say, well, actually. Sorry. Has anybody really
• 38:57
  paid attention at the end of Job and noticed
• 39:00
  how his three daughters were given an inheritance?
• 39:05
  Did you guys ever notice that before? Did you
• 39:08
  ever wonder like did you ever wonder why? You
• 39:11
  know, and he actually gives the names of them
• 39:13
  and I searched high and low trying to figure
• 39:15
  out who those women were and I've still got to
• 39:19
  do a little bit of research on their names I'm
• 39:20
  sure their names means something but What was
• 39:24
  unique is that Joe had seven daughters or seven
• 39:27
  sons and three daughters before? All of them
• 39:30
  were taken out, you know by that when the house
• 39:32
  was destroyed And in the end, Joe gets a double
• 39:37
  portion of livestock, but when he gets his children
• 39:41
  back, it's the same number. It's back to ten.
• 39:45
  And I've said over and over, I believe that that
• 39:47
  ten is representational of the northern kingdom,
• 39:50
  of the northern kingdom of Israel, the ten tribes.
• 39:53
  Even though it's male and female, it doesn't
• 39:54
  matter. I see it as the ten that are lost and
• 39:57
  the ten that return. But then the three women
• 40:00
  receive an inheritance. And that's something
• 40:02
  that is unique in Jesus's ministry. I haven't
• 40:05
  quite put my finger on it yet. Maybe it's my
• 40:08
  Greek thinking. mind, Cameron, but I'm telling
• 40:11
  you right now, like, what's that? I have a question.
• 40:16
  You're saying like that's good for like the 10
• 40:18
  tribes. Do you not having gone through this thing
• 40:21
  with you, this whole study, do you think that
• 40:25
  Job symbolizes us, Jesus, Israel or none of them?
• 40:30
  I think he is the true Israel. The true Israel
• 40:36
  is how you get to the true Israel. I believe
• 40:39
  that Job is representational of the old, prior
• 40:43
  to the covenant, prior to the covenant, because
• 40:45
  he, remember it says he lived 140 years. After
• 40:50
  this took place. So that tells you that it was
• 40:52
  prior to the time whenever God said he would
• 40:54
  not strive with man because he's flesh. He's
• 40:56
  only going to be 120 years. So it's before that.
• 40:59
  So that means he's still in the patriarchal period.
• 41:02
  So it goes all the way back to that, which in
• 41:05
  my opinion follows all the way from Abraham.
• 41:08
  Okay. It's coming from Abraham, which is the
• 41:11
  true, the faith, those who trust in God and by
• 41:14
  faith, then it's going to carry all the way through.
• 41:18
  the destruction and the exile, whether it's slavery
• 41:22
  to Egypt or it's exile to Babylon or it's exile
• 41:25
  into Assyria for the northern tribe, whatever
• 41:27
  it is, and then the restoration. But ultimately
• 41:30
  what happens is that Christ is the new Israel.
• 41:33
  That's what I see. He is the new Israel and we
• 41:36
  are in Christ. So he starts with the sacrifices
• 41:41
  and the works and the righteousness, which is
• 41:43
  physical Israel. They're always doing sacrifices
• 41:45
  and trying to do things physically and on the
• 41:48
  outside. And then in the end, he suffers like
• 41:50
  Jesus and he has to be born again into a relationship
• 41:55
  with God and he has to die to himself and all
• 41:57
  his, I'm so great, my works and die to himself
• 42:01
  so that he can have the relationship and live
• 42:03
  to God and really see the truth. Yeah, I've said
• 42:06
  like how to become a high priest. Right. So all
• 42:10
  of us are called in a new covenant. the new covenant.
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  And so that's why I think the inheritance to
• 42:15
  the women is important and it's critical. There
• 42:18
  will be now no more male or female as we see
• 42:22
  in the new covenant kingdom, right? So I see
• 42:25
  that at the end of Job as well. I see how it's
• 42:27
  like, oh, now they get the full inheritance.
• 42:29
  They're fully inherited, like we receive that
• 42:33
  inheritance. So I think Job is one, honestly,
• 42:38
  Now I think it's one of the most critical, most
• 42:40
  important books in the Bible, and I used to just
• 42:43
  think it was an afterthought. But now I see it
• 42:46
  as telling the entire story of Israel and the
• 42:51
  Church and how we have a relationship with God
• 42:54
  and how we can be kings and priests. And I think
• 42:59
  it's made up, right? It's an allegory, right?
• 43:02
  I mean, I've questioned whether it was really
• 43:04
  happening or not. I now believe that it was allegorical.
• 43:07
  I don't think it was real. I don't think it happened
• 43:08
  like he was an actual person. I think James actually
• 43:12
  quotes it. And I think he says, remember the
• 43:15
  endurance of Job or the patience of Job. That's
• 43:17
  fine. I can also say, you know, remember the
• 43:22
  conscience of Jiminy Cricket and you guys get
• 43:24
  it. You know what I mean? Like you understand
• 43:26
  how to do that. does that mean that do they know
• 43:29
  who wrote job do they know who wrote it some
• 43:31
  people say that moses wrote it um because of
• 43:35
  the timing in which it was written and there's
• 43:36
  a lot that matches it i don't think that i think
• 43:39
  it was written post -exile i definitely think
• 43:43
  that i think it was probably during the time
• 43:45
  of after nebuchadnezzar that's but that's my
• 43:48
  opinion in my opinion you know whatever but i
• 43:51
  certainly believe that it's post -exile let's
• 43:54
  talk about the restoration of their nation inspired
• 43:57
  if it was writing the whole story before the
• 43:59
  whole story happened oh my goodness it's whoever
• 44:03
  wrote it i don't see how anyone i don't see how
• 44:06
  a man could have ever written this book seriously
• 44:09
  not not with the way that lines up with the rest
• 44:11
  of scripture i just can't i don't i don't see
• 44:13
  how anybody could do it i think just the depth
• 44:15
  of poetry yeah and that's poetry i mean you you
• 44:18
  know you like i said before i i couldn't even
• 44:21
  write a couple of verses, they're so deep and
• 44:26
  yeah, the whole book is incredibly deep poetic.
• 44:31
  For me, that's the most beautiful book of poetry
• 44:35
  in the entire Bible. Were you saying something,
• 44:39
  Cameron, because you're muted? I was not. I do
• 44:44
  have a question though that's not necessarily
• 44:46
  related to that. Okay. Do you know in chapter
• 44:50
  in the early chapters when they use the word
• 44:54
  Satan to accuse or to refer to Satan in the original
• 44:59
  language? Was that the accuser in the Jewish
• 45:02
  Hebrew? It's Satan. It's Hasatan. It's that same
• 45:08
  word that's used. all over the place in the Old
• 45:11
  Testament. Sometimes it's seen as the devil,
• 45:14
  and sometimes it's seen as the angel of the Lord,
• 45:16
  and sometimes it's seen as a Philistine or David.
• 45:20
  This person seems to be the adversarial prosecutor.
• 45:24
  He's subject to Yahweh or to the God. I can't
• 45:31
  remember which name. I don't even think it uses
• 45:33
  Yahweh. Maybe it does. YHWH, the Tetragrammaton.
• 45:38
  They're subject. Yes. He's somebody that's working
• 45:41
  against someone that's working against the plans
• 45:43
  of God, isn't it? Yeah, why do you ask? I just
• 45:48
  kind of like you alluded to I fold more on the
• 45:53
  side of that representing the accuser or like
• 45:56
  like you were saying like like legal prosecution
• 45:59
  So essentially God was challenging like look
• 46:01
  at job my servant Accused him like Satan doesn't
• 46:06
  cause you to say I tend for a few exceptions,
• 46:08
  I would say, where it says the spirit of Satan
• 46:11
  inhabited someone. That's a little different.
• 46:13
  But in a general sense, Satan isn't omnipresent.
• 46:16
  He doesn't cause people to sin. We sin because
• 46:18
  we're broken. We don't need his help. He just
• 46:21
  accuses us. That's far more deadly in God's eyes.
• 46:25
  Look at what your creation did of its own volition.
• 46:29
  But I'd have to ask the question though, within
• 46:31
  the book of Job, this is one of the early parts
• 46:34
  of the book that always kind of surprised me.
• 46:37
  So whenever God allows the Satan to do what he
• 46:41
  wants to do to Job in order to get him to curse
• 46:43
  him, if you look at what happens to Job's children,
• 46:47
  to his livestock, then to himself, like God allows
• 46:51
  this Satan to do things like He gets the Sabians
• 46:55
  to come in and wipe out his kids, right? Then
• 46:59
  he calls fire down from heaven. This is something
• 47:01
  that Elijah will do. Like whenever he's talking,
• 47:04
  you know, to the God of their fathers and he,
• 47:08
  you know, he shows up against all of the bailed
• 47:11
  prophets, you know? And so whatever, whatever
• 47:15
  the Satan character is doing, The ultimate goal
• 47:20
  is to get this man that God is focused on to
• 47:24
  fall That's the whole point is to get him to
• 47:27
  fall. All he wants him to do is curse God That's
• 47:30
  all the Satan character wants I Mean this is
• 47:36
  the cosmic struggle here is what he's saying
• 47:37
  is like I can make him curse you What does he
• 47:41
  say later? He's like, have you noticed job has
• 47:43
  still has the sin and then he's like skin for
• 47:46
  skin, man So God allows Satan to actually put
• 47:50
  diseases into his body. That's Job. That's Job
• 47:54
  chapter two. And I can't get away from that.
• 47:58
  Like when I see that, I'm like, wow. So ultimately
• 48:01
  God's responsible. Ultimately, he's responsible
• 48:04
  because he's the one that lets him. But guess
• 48:06
  what? He doesn't need to be let off the hook.
• 48:09
  God is responsible. No, for sure. But it's not
• 48:12
  evil. It's not evil. He's squeezing it out so
• 48:16
  that all of his children get an inheritance.
• 48:19
  All of them get an inheritance. The reason the
• 48:22
  author tells you at the end is because originally
• 48:24
  those girls would not have gotten the inheritance,
• 48:26
  but now they do. It's unique, man. It's a wild
• 48:30
  story. What did you say, Cameron? No, I absolutely
• 48:37
  agree with that. Yeah, it's an allegory for like
• 48:40
  our struggle in what we should strive for and
• 48:43
  refine ourselves in sin. And we can't accomplish
• 48:46
  that, of course, but we should still strive to
• 48:49
  do that. You know, Christ accomplished that for
• 48:51
  us. But yeah, I know I 100 % agree with you.
• 48:57
  The three daughters. I'm just curious that you
• 49:00
  mentioned it. Do you think that could represent
• 49:03
  like Judah, Benjamin and Levi and how that's
• 49:06
  the final three tribes that were left to got
• 49:09
  the inheritance of Christ and ushered in salvation
• 49:13
  for the world? Honestly, I have no clue. Like
• 49:18
  to me, I think of the like I don't know. I have
• 49:22
  looked at this and looked at this and I've read
• 49:24
  scholarship and I have read theologians and I
• 49:28
  have read. I've read so much and I don't think
• 49:31
  no one ever talks about the women. Never. And
• 49:35
  it irritates me because I think that there's
• 49:37
  a purpose in the air. We all know in the patriarchal
• 49:40
  period, especially women weren't given any ordinances.
• 49:46
  Right. Well, don't you don't you remember, though,
• 49:47
  when the daughters of. Yeah, there was a situation
• 49:52
  where they were given inheritance. But they had
• 49:53
  to go to a king, they had to go to a king and
• 49:55
  their father had died, right? No, no, no, that
• 49:58
  was the daughters of Lot, remember? Or somebody,
• 50:02
  when somebody had died, the brothers had all
• 50:03
  died or something and they said that we're going
• 50:05
  to lose our inheritance. Right. And then that
• 50:07
  was the time Moses said... Moses said, yes, I
• 50:11
  agree with that. You can have the inheritance.
• 50:13
  OK, so yes, it did. So we need to find out because
• 50:16
  so that means the study is not over. Guys, let's
• 50:20
  try to figure out why that shows up during Moses's
• 50:25
  time, why this shows up in Job's time and then
• 50:29
  find out what like I think that there's something
• 50:32
  going on here. Have you guys ever wondered why
• 50:36
  did Jesus first show himself to Mary Magdalene
• 50:40
  at the tomb? Is that how it happened? Okay, and
• 50:43
  we can say that, but why? What's the point? I
• 50:47
  think Mary Magdalene was a very high and close
• 50:51
  disciple of Christ. I would go so far as to say
• 50:54
  she was an apostle. Some people say, no, you
• 50:56
  can't say that. Well, hold on. Hold on. What
• 51:02
  exactly does it mean to be an apostle? I didn't
• 51:07
  say she had to be one of the twelve apostles,
• 51:10
  but an apostle. Paul was called an apostle. He
• 51:13
  never physically met him the way that the other
• 51:16
  apostles did, but he's called an apostle nonetheless
• 51:19
  because Christ, you know, met him on the road
• 51:22
  to Damascus and then he taught him. I suppose
• 51:25
  the thing is that that really doesn't matter
• 51:28
  whether she was an apostle or not. But for me,
• 51:32
  it's like we've discussed it. I don't know whether
• 51:35
  it was on or off camera, but we've discussed
• 51:37
  it in as much as Christ was bringing something
• 51:40
  different, wasn't he? Because we know with the
• 51:41
  body of Christ that there was neither male nor
• 51:44
  female, Jew nor Greek, slave nor free. So therefore
• 51:47
  he was bringing something totally different.
• 51:48
  And I think Christ in his ministry was showing
• 51:51
  that he was bringing something different. I mean,
• 51:54
  the first person he told that he was the Messiah
• 51:57
  was to the Samaritan woman at the well. And she
• 52:01
  had had five husbands, and the one she was with
• 52:03
  wasn't her own. She came on her own at midday.
• 52:05
  The heat, the sun, nobody was with her. Shows
• 52:07
  you that she was probably a bit rejected by the
• 52:09
  others, and they didn't want to mix with her.
• 52:11
  She was a Samaritan. So again, he's gone to that
• 52:14
  very nth degree of saying, well, I've been preaching
• 52:16
  the gospel, and I'm telling you that I am that
• 52:19
  person. We know Mary Magdalene. She was the first
• 52:21
  one to see him at the tomb. The first one he
• 52:23
  turned around and said, Mary. And she turned
• 52:26
  around and she said, Lord. We know that with
• 52:30
  Mary and Martha, Martha was saying the same thing,
• 52:32
  Lord, tell her to come up and help me. You know,
• 52:35
  I'm doing the sandwiches and laying the table
• 52:36
  and all that. Jesus said, no, she's sitting at
• 52:38
  my feet. That was never heard of. Women never
• 52:41
  sat at the feet of men and were taught by rabbis.
• 52:43
  And that was the whole point. He was saying,
• 52:45
  I'm going to bring in something different. The
• 52:48
  Jewish system was that women were just not even
• 52:51
  entertained. You couldn't even take a woman's
• 52:54
  witness statement. They wouldn't listen to it.
• 52:56
  Probably why they didn't, when she came running
• 52:58
  back, you know, the law was resurrected. Yeah,
• 53:00
  there is in me. I've got to take any notes of
• 53:01
  you, you're a woman. I get this whole concept
• 53:04
  and idea that Jesus was saying, look, there's
• 53:07
  something new is going to come in, something
• 53:09
  different is going to come in. And you really
• 53:11
  need to sort of be aware of it. And I'm teaching
• 53:12
  you it now. And of course, when the Holy Spirit
• 53:15
  was poured out and everybody got their gifts
• 53:17
  given to them and everybody had something to
• 53:20
  edify the church with, they then recognized,
• 53:23
  yeah. We are all equal in the body of Christ.
• 53:25
  But of course, we still have to recognize that
• 53:27
  the husband is the head of the house. And even
• 53:30
  within the church, there was still this need
• 53:35
  to remember that you still do not usurp your
• 53:37
  husband. Yeah. And we have talked about that
• 53:40
  on the side. And I don't think you all have heard
• 53:43
  our conversations. So we have talked about that.
• 53:46
  But I definitely think that the fact that I see
• 53:50
  it in Job, And it is an ancient wisdom book.
• 53:53
  When you guys see the, does anybody else see
• 53:55
  the patterns beside me? Do you see all those
• 53:58
  patterns that are in Job and how you can pick
• 54:00
  those patterns up and you can watch them go all
• 54:03
  throughout the scripture? Well, I can't see all
• 54:06
  of them on the converse. You can't see all the
• 54:08
  patterns? No, no. Okay. I mean, I haven't looked
• 54:12
  at it in that, that, that again, I'm, I'm pretty
• 54:14
  sort of with stuff, but I can't see as definite
• 54:19
  as you do. There's too many sort of things that
• 54:22
  I need to work out first to be able to say, yes,
• 54:24
  that's that. Yes, that's that. I see what you're
• 54:27
  saying and where you're going, but I would need
• 54:29
  more, you know, there's certain things that we've
• 54:33
  spoken about, are we the bride of Christ or are
• 54:35
  we the children of the union? You know, I haven't
• 54:39
  done enough study. I mean, I've thought about
• 54:41
  it. I've prayed about it and, you know, but I
• 54:43
  haven't really gone down. Have any of you guys
• 54:45
  ever thought of that? We've talked about this
• 54:47
  before. You know, the church is called the Bride
• 54:50
  of Christ. But if we are past this, if we are
• 54:53
  printers, if we're looking back, then are we
• 54:56
  actually the Bride or are we the offspring of
• 54:58
  that union? Saying there's incest going on? Nope,
• 55:01
  not a chance. I'm just kidding. I know you are.
• 55:04
  I'm just kidding. There might be a little bit.
• 55:07
  No, I'm just kidding. There was, for sure. That's
• 55:12
  right. one spirit one in Christ one body yeah
• 55:16
  incest one body well i mean like a reptile anyway
• 55:23
  well what does that mean i love you like a reptile
• 55:27
  i mean i'm pretty interested in that statement
• 55:29
  i used to have a cousin who said he was asexual
• 55:33
  and i was like no you just need to lose weight
• 55:37
  you just need to lose weight dude that's all
• 55:43
  Alright, so can I can I add something to that
• 55:45
  too kind of to the effect of the women? Yeah,
• 55:48
  like I would say like just to add on to that
• 55:50
  if you think of like look at David and Bathsheba
• 55:53
  And what happened to Bathsheba and what came
• 55:55
  out of that and God blessed her by making Solomon
• 55:59
  the greatest king of Israel before divided So
• 56:02
  I would agree with you. There's a, and I would
• 56:04
  say it's, it's, the Bible is always going to
• 56:06
  draw a line polemically against anything that
• 56:10
  defies a creation of God. So like many theologian
• 56:14
  scholars, historians have argued that slavery
• 56:18
  was first the idea and concept of ending slavery
• 56:21
  originates from the Bible. And I think a lot
• 56:24
  of things could apply to that, to many social
• 56:27
  standards in today's age, especially back then,
• 56:30
  like We live in a blessed time where people can
• 56:35
  live in a society that's civil. Back then, the
• 56:38
  only economic measure was strength. Strength
• 56:41
  dictated everything. If you were stronger than
• 56:44
  the person beside you, you got to wear the bean
• 56:47
  crown. That's all it took. Except for Cleopatra.
• 56:56
  She had a good run. Yeah, I know, but she was
• 57:00
  still a woman. Yeah. Well, I think that's why
• 57:06
  it's that for me. That's why it's so different
• 57:08
  with Christ. It's so different. I mean, I still
• 57:10
  recognize, like Paul says in Corinthians, you
• 57:13
  know, it is as the law says, a husband is subject
• 57:16
  to her, her husband and he goes back to Genesis
• 57:20
  chapter three. He goes right the way back there
• 57:23
  to say that that's the law that still stands.
• 57:26
  So for me, it's always been that way. And I don't
• 57:29
  believe that women were to be subject to their
• 57:32
  husbands for any other reason than Adam let his
• 57:39
  wife down. He let his wife down. So God says,
• 57:43
  right, now you've got to step up to the plate.
• 57:45
  You've got to look after Cherisher. She's going
• 57:47
  to be subject to you, but you better step up
• 57:49
  to the plate now because you've got to look after
• 57:51
  her. And again, if we look at it as Christ, Christ
• 57:54
  has stepped up to the plate. He's that perfect
• 57:56
  husband. He's the one who looks after, cherishes
• 57:58
  and makes sure that the wife doesn't sort of
• 58:01
  go off here and go off of there and keeps her
• 58:05
  safe and keeps her secure and, you know, in the
• 58:09
  gospel message and what's been taught. So again,
• 58:11
  you know, for me, it's, you know, people say
• 58:15
  being subject to your husband, that's awful.
• 58:17
  Well, actually, not really, not if the husband's
• 58:20
  doing the right thing. No, it's not. It's the
• 58:22
  best thing in the world. It's when my wife always
• 58:24
  said if you love me like Christ loved the church,
• 58:26
  it's going to be a lot easier for me to be in
• 58:27
  subjection. Exactly. Good point. Justin Nick.
• 58:31
  Justin Nichols just joined us, guys. Justin Nichols.
• 58:34
  Justin, unmute your mic and throw up your video.
• 58:37
  Say hi, bro. He's here. I see him down in the
• 58:41
  corner, down in the corner. I think the man woman
• 58:44
  thing is more for the physical world. I think
• 58:46
  in the spirit realm, it's different. I think
• 58:50
  that's why I said, I could say that Karen. She
• 58:53
  did, that's right. It's different in the spirit.
• 58:56
  The spirit realm has different, it works differently
• 58:59
  than the physical realm and Jesus is always trying
• 59:02
  to teach that. Like even at the well she wants
• 59:04
  the water and he's saying it's not physical water,
• 59:07
  it's spiritual water and the apostles are saying
• 59:09
  where's the bread? And he says it's not physical
• 59:11
  bread, it's my bread from heaven. You can't be
• 59:14
  born again physically. You have to be born again
• 59:16
  spiritually. This concept, even time, is different.
• 59:21
  It's not the same. The physical has different...
• 59:24
  It works differently than the spiritual. It has
• 59:29
  to be the way it is here with the male and the
• 59:32
  female. That's the way God created it in this
• 59:34
  physical world. This is the way it has to work.
• 59:36
  But the spirit world has different... It operates
• 59:39
  differently. I think we all know that. I think
• 59:41
  that's probably something that we all grasp that
• 59:44
  we're sort of, you know, we're under that. But
• 59:46
  I keep sort of going back to, you know, Christ
• 59:48
  being the last Adam and having spiritually a
• 59:51
  bride and having sort of, you know, the physical.
• 59:55
  Let's face it, if you're going to be born from
• 59:58
  above, you have to enter the physical world to
• 1:00:00
  be able to have a birth from above. So this is
• 1:00:03
  the whole thing. I mean, we're going to do a
• 1:00:05
  talk on Genesis chapter one, two and three. and
• 1:00:08
  that will explain, I believe, that the physical
• 1:00:12
  creation is first and then the spiritual is after
• 1:00:14
  that. The physical is a template, the physical
• 1:00:18
  is a template, and all the days of the week mean
• 1:00:21
  something and you can see it unfolding in the
• 1:00:25
  spiritual. You get to Adam, he sins, you go right
• 1:00:28
  the way back to where it says now the earth was
• 1:00:30
  without form and void. Adam is made from the
• 1:00:33
  earth, the earth was without form and void. Why?
• 1:00:34
  Because he just sinned. And darkness was over
• 1:00:37
  the face of the deep. Well, everything that was
• 1:00:40
  going to come from Adam was darkness. And again,
• 1:00:43
  you know, if you go back to Adam's name, it's
• 1:00:45
  the Aleph and the Dalet are men. Aleph is the
• 1:00:48
  power or the strength. The Dalet is a door and
• 1:00:51
  the men is the water. So Adam was the door to
• 1:00:55
  the waters. He was the power of the door to the
• 1:00:58
  waters. And now we've got Christ. Christ is the
• 1:01:02
  last Adam. and he now is the power to the door
• 1:01:06
  of the waters. You know, he's living water, he's
• 1:01:08
  the one that opens the doors to you. And that's
• 1:01:10
  the thing, he's the strength and the power to
• 1:01:12
  do away with what was we were sold down the river.
• 1:01:15
  So again, if you know, for me, you have to go
• 1:01:17
  from chapter three and go right the way back
• 1:01:20
  then to Genesis chapter one to start replaying
• 1:01:23
  the spiritual aspect of it. But that would be
• 1:01:25
  something that we'll go through. on sort of like...
• 1:01:31
  Elaine and I have been talking about going through
• 1:01:32
  it over a year now almost. I keep sidetracking.
• 1:01:36
  You're like, let's go through Jobe. Now let's
• 1:01:38
  go through Song of Solomon. I'm not trying to
• 1:01:40
  sidetrack you. I'm just, that's just where my
• 1:01:42
  brain's at. I think the thing is, you know, when
• 1:01:46
  people understand Genesis 1, 2, and 3, as I see
• 1:01:52
  it, I think that... the New Testament and everything
• 1:01:57
  that's been said would make a clearer difference.
• 1:02:03
  Well, the whole thing is we've got to be born
• 1:02:05
  from above. That's right. You have. Spiritual
• 1:02:09
  birth is everything that, that's what changes
• 1:02:12
  us. It's that spiritual. It is. But again, Nicodemus,
• 1:02:16
  he turned around and said to Nicodemus, you know,
• 1:02:17
  Nicodemus came to him and he said, You know,
• 1:02:20
  we know you are a teacher. We know you have come
• 1:02:22
  from God, for nobody can do the things that you
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  do unless God was with him. And Jesus didn't
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  answer. He said, well, thank you very much for
• 1:02:29
  that. Yeah, you're quite right. He just said,
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  unless you were born from above, you cannot see
• 1:02:32
  the kingdom of God. I mean, you'd think to yourself,
• 1:02:34
  that's a bit of a strange thing to say. You know,
• 1:02:36
  he's not even talking about that. You know, but
• 1:02:40
  he's going back to, you know, and he says, well,
• 1:02:43
  you know, well, how can I be born again when
• 1:02:45
  I'm old? I can't crawl up into my mother and
• 1:02:47
  Jesus is thinking, well, you know, you're a teacher
• 1:02:49
  of Israel and you don't understand these things,
• 1:02:52
  you know? So you've got to find out what the
• 1:02:55
  water and the spirit is, which there's various
• 1:03:00
  ideas on the water. And I don't think that either
• 1:03:04
  of the ones that they put forward are particularly
• 1:03:06
  right. But the amazing thing is that God, the
• 1:03:09
  Spirit of God lives in us. And we have access,
• 1:03:13
  I mean, to the same Spirit that's Jesus, Father,
• 1:03:17
  Son, us. That's the real miracle. We have that.
• 1:03:21
  He died so he could send the Spirit. He told
• 1:03:24
  the apostles, it's better that I go so that you'll
• 1:03:27
  get my Spirit. And when they got the Spirit,
• 1:03:29
  they were different. And we have that, but we
• 1:03:31
  still fight with the flesh. But we have that
• 1:03:33
  same power. That's the amazing part of the gospel,
• 1:03:37
  in my opinion, is that we are one in Christ.
• 1:03:41
  Jesus, Father, Son, us, we are one. We have that
• 1:03:43
  same power. We can hear from the Father when
• 1:03:46
  we pray, when we listen. That's the miracle that
• 1:03:49
  people do not grasp and don't live by waiting
• 1:03:54
  on the Spirit of God to tell them what to do.
• 1:03:57
  You know, we just run ahead in our own flesh.
• 1:04:02
  That's a constant. That's a constant struggle.
• 1:04:05
  Well, does anybody have anything else that they
• 1:04:07
  want to share in regard to the job study? Because
• 1:04:09
  we've been at it a little bit over an hour. And
• 1:04:12
  I'm sure everybody else has other things they'd
• 1:04:13
  like to do besides sit around. And I'm sure Elaine
• 1:04:16
  would like to go to sleep considering it's one
• 1:04:18
  o 'clock in the morning where she is. Yes, absolutely.
• 1:04:21
  I didn't mean to cut anybody off here. But like
• 1:04:26
  you said, you have some of the things here like
• 1:04:27
  practical things that we can learn from job here
• 1:04:30
  is for Y 'all going through this study, it's
• 1:04:33
  taught me how I look at other people and the
• 1:04:36
  things they're going through. I wanted to be
• 1:04:37
  like a LFAs or a Zophar and me not knowing what's
• 1:04:42
  going on in their lives. And it makes you question,
• 1:04:45
  am I truly being a friend to those people or
• 1:04:49
  am I being like LFAs? And to me, that was an
• 1:04:53
  amazing thing to me because it opened me up to
• 1:04:54
  even the way I look at some of my own family
• 1:04:56
  now, because I look at their life. things they've
• 1:04:58
  done. I want to be judgmental, but I've got to
• 1:05:01
  back off. It is God working in their lives with
• 1:05:04
  everything they're going through. Amen. Exactly.
• 1:05:09
  And that's amazing you all brought that out.
• 1:05:12
  And that's right, Bobby. You know, like I said,
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  at the end of the day, you start off one way
• 1:05:18
  and it's like you said, you know, it made you
• 1:05:20
  think. And this is what all this thing was about
• 1:05:23
  with Job. It made the man think. You know, you
• 1:05:28
  see these things that come up in someone's life.
• 1:05:29
  It's like I say, you can have a situation, but
• 1:05:32
  you can have four, five, six people looking at
• 1:05:35
  the same situation. And because of their characters,
• 1:05:37
  because of their past, because of the situation,
• 1:05:39
  circumstances they may have been through, experience,
• 1:05:42
  they may all see something different. There may
• 1:05:45
  be certain, one might feel compassion and sadness,
• 1:05:47
  another might feel you're a stupid idiot. Another
• 1:05:50
  one might say, well, actually, you know, just
• 1:05:52
  desserts coming your way. Again, it's going down
• 1:05:56
  to the core of like, what would Christ say? How
• 1:05:59
  would Christ react? What would he do? How would
• 1:06:02
  he respond? And I think this is what God's brought
• 1:06:05
  out in the end, when he sort of, you know, gets
• 1:06:07
  Job to realize, well actually, you know, what
• 1:06:10
  do you know? What do you know? You don't know
• 1:06:13
  anything. You don't know anything. And like you
• 1:06:16
  just said, which is quite correct, you know,
• 1:06:18
  what have we learned through it? And it is to
• 1:06:20
  recognize that, you know, We've got to be a little
• 1:06:24
  bit more compassionate towards people understand
• 1:06:27
  people and I think that the God will be extremely
• 1:06:31
  pleased like he was with Job in the end You know
• 1:06:34
  my servant Joe spoke right about me You know
• 1:06:37
  even through all those things that he did and
• 1:06:39
  said he said my servant Joe spoke rightly about
• 1:06:42
  me Because I mean I how many of you have ever
• 1:06:46
  like me sometimes I've shook my fist at God and
• 1:06:48
  shouting to say why are you doing this? What's
• 1:06:51
  wrong? Oh, yeah. Was it just me? Have you done
• 1:06:58
  it, Cameron? Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah, most definitely.
• 1:07:03
  Oh, for sure. And that's what I'm saying. But,
• 1:07:06
  you know, this is what we all do. But doesn't
• 1:07:09
  it show you, if we didn't know our father that
• 1:07:12
  well, I wouldn't go shouting and shaking my fist
• 1:07:15
  at somebody I didn't know. I usually do it to
• 1:07:17
  the people that I'm really close to. And when
• 1:07:21
  we're really close to God, it's like a child,
• 1:07:24
  isn't it? I don't like you anymore, Mummy. I
• 1:07:27
  hate you. Daddy, you're horrible. Well, of course,
• 1:07:30
  you can say that, but you wouldn't say it to
• 1:07:31
  your neighbour. You didn't know that well. It
• 1:07:33
  just doesn't happen. You know, but when you go
• 1:07:36
  and then what happens like a child, you know,
• 1:07:39
  the child comes up to you, I'm sorry, Mummy.
• 1:07:42
  I'm sorry, Daddy. And that's what we do to God.
• 1:07:45
  We go out and we say, I'm so sorry, Daddy. You
• 1:07:47
  know, what do I know? except my, except my apology.
• 1:07:51
  I'm just a, just made a dust. And I'm so grateful
• 1:07:54
  that you would have it maybe your spirit, but,
• 1:07:57
  and that's the thing, isn't it? You know, to
• 1:07:59
  recognize that I think it's like Paul says, you
• 1:08:01
  know, do you, you're the one say, do not steal.
• 1:08:03
  Do you steal? Do you the one that, you know,
• 1:08:06
  you could say, do you, the one that say, I want
• 1:08:07
  more compassion. Do you show compassion? You
• 1:08:10
  know, the one more tolerance. Do you show tolerance?
• 1:08:13
  It always goes back to us and I think it's really
• 1:08:17
  good what Bobby said, what he's learnt by the
• 1:08:20
  study. And I've learnt the same thing. And we're
• 1:08:24
  all the same. None of us are different. I mean,
• 1:08:29
  every day I forget what sort of person I am.
• 1:08:30
  I look into the mirror and I look into the Word
• 1:08:32
  of God and think, wow, this is amazing. I'm all
• 1:08:35
  up there and then all of a sudden you come down
• 1:08:38
  to... to earth and an hour later you're shaking
• 1:08:40
  your fist at somebody who's cut you up on the
• 1:08:42
  road, you know? Yeah, doesn't take long for me
• 1:08:46
  to do that. Hey, by the way, Justin Nichols just
• 1:08:48
  joined us. Justin, say some words so everybody
• 1:08:50
  can see you. Hey everybody. I'm sorry I'm late.
• 1:08:54
  I was at a little pastor's prayer thing up at
• 1:08:58
  the Benedictine Abbey. I was trying to get back
• 1:09:00
  here and I jumped on quickly to make sure I wasn't
• 1:09:02
  missing anything. And then I saw that Rick called
• 1:09:05
  me out immediately. So I'm like, oh shoot. I
• 1:09:08
  gotta jump on the computer where I can actually
• 1:09:11
  see and hear y 'all. Well, I did see it. It's
• 1:09:13
  like Justin Nichols left. Yes. Now, Justin Nichols,
• 1:09:18
  I want to introduce you to Tony F and Driver
• 1:09:20
  down here in the middle. Hey, Tony, say hi. You
• 1:09:24
  two are both song creators using AI. Say hi to
• 1:09:28
  each other. Hi. Oh, hey, Tony. I know your name
• 1:09:32
  by name only, but then I also listen to a few
• 1:09:34
  of your songs. So well done. Thank you. Thank
• 1:09:37
  you. Yeah. And Justin sent me some songs, Tony,
• 1:09:40
  and you guys need to hear and this guys, it never
• 1:09:44
  even crossed my mind. Like I never even thought,
• 1:09:46
  oh, I need to go get a song generator to make,
• 1:09:48
  you know, you know, songs. But just songs in
• 1:09:52
  general, much less from our, you know, from a
• 1:09:54
  perspective, eschatologically, you know, she's
• 1:09:57
  written. How many songs have you written about
• 1:09:58
  this job study now? Like 42 or 43? Sounds about
• 1:10:02
  right. I don't know. I don't really keep up with
• 1:10:04
  it like that. I just light them. So probably
• 1:10:08
  about 43 maybe. Has anybody else listened to
• 1:10:11
  any of these songs that she's written that's
• 1:10:13
  on the job study? Yes. Guys. I mean, I called
• 1:10:17
  her up like, do one for about Billie Eilish.
• 1:10:19
  And she just did one about with Jim Croce style.
• 1:10:22
  That's my dad's favorite artist. So I'm like,
• 1:10:24
  Dad, check this out. So so cool. I love this
• 1:10:28
  stuff, guys. Cherry down there yawning up there
• 1:10:31
  in Maine. I'm sorry. I'm just kidding. Cherry
• 1:10:35
  had said one in one of her comments that she,
• 1:10:37
  you know, in the past that when when bad things
• 1:10:40
  happen, we would look at God and wonder, you
• 1:10:42
  know, why are we being punished or is that what
• 1:10:45
  it's about? But Really, if anything, we've learned
• 1:10:47
  that that's God does chastise his children, those
• 1:10:51
  that he loves. That does happen. But also some
• 1:10:55
  things are meant and all of them are for good.
• 1:10:58
  That is a crazy statement to make, but it seems
• 1:11:01
  to be absolutely true. That's true. Even when
• 1:11:06
  it's even when it's like the hardest thing ever.
• 1:11:09
  The hardest thing ever. And I'm, you know, Canessa
• 1:11:15
  and Brian the mother of Brianna a mother of father
• 1:11:19
  Brianna my niece and this is her little This
• 1:11:23
  is the high school button that she gave me and
• 1:11:29
  There her parents say God has a purpose in a
• 1:11:34
  plan, but that doesn't mean I have to like it
• 1:11:37
  right now And I and that's a really interesting.
• 1:11:40
  It was really interesting, you know, and now
• 1:11:41
  I can see them. It'll be a year you know, in
• 1:11:44
  October, but and they have gotten somewhat better,
• 1:11:47
  but they've made it clear that they're never
• 1:11:49
  going to be the same. Right. Well, I think that's
• 1:11:52
  that's what all of this is about. And I think
• 1:11:54
  Job is certainly about that. Job will never be
• 1:11:56
  the same. Did anybody else find it interesting
• 1:11:59
  that when he got a double portion, he didn't
• 1:12:01
  get a double portion of children. Did you notice
• 1:12:04
  that? That he got the same amount of sons and
• 1:12:07
  the same amount of daughters again. And I think
• 1:12:10
  that's because the original sons and daughters
• 1:12:12
  still matter. And I don't understand how all
• 1:12:15
  that works, but God didn't forget them. And I
• 1:12:18
  think that was something about that is I believe
• 1:12:22
  in my mind, it's where he brings the old into
• 1:12:26
  the new, those that are in the old into the new,
• 1:12:28
  but it's going to be in the spirit realm anyway.
• 1:12:33
  Anybody else have anything they'd like to say
• 1:12:34
  before we close it out? What about Mr. Nichols?
• 1:12:38
  He hasn't said anything, yeah? Yeah, I just really
• 1:12:43
  appreciate you, Rick and Elaine, doing the study.
• 1:12:47
  Rick, I feel like I already know you from many
• 1:12:49
  years. We haven't barely talked, but you and
• 1:12:51
  I, you know, I just, I feel like you're my brother
• 1:12:55
  for real. And Elaine, it's been really cool to
• 1:12:58
  get to know you through this study too. And just
• 1:13:01
  hear you guys provide insights and a deep, deep
• 1:13:05
  study. 25 episodes or something like that. How
• 1:13:11
  did you put up with our voices? I just put you
• 1:13:15
  on 1 .5 speed. I can't imagine Elaine at two
• 1:13:20
  times speed. Can you imagine? I'm going to have
• 1:13:22
  to try that tonight. No, I didn't go that high.
• 1:13:27
  I never went that high. I would have done. That's
• 1:13:31
  what I do to Bob Crookshank's voice messages
• 1:13:33
  when he talks to me because he's like, hey Rick
• 1:13:35
  Well, I was thinking about when you go two times.
• 1:13:38
  It sounds normal No, it's just really cool I'll
• 1:13:47
  tell you though. I I just recently I Mean it
• 1:13:53
  was interesting because I really wanted to follow
• 1:13:54
  along with this and I was I was way behind I
• 1:13:56
  got started Probably you guys were I didn't realize
• 1:13:59
  that you were releasing them so soon or much
• 1:14:01
  earlier on Patreon and so I was kind of following
• 1:14:04
  along with the Spotify releases and I was just
• 1:14:08
  really really enjoying them and then I lot because
• 1:14:11
  I'm you know a supporter so I'm like I'll log
• 1:14:13
  in see what Rick's going on in the Burroughs
• 1:14:16
  Patreon and like oh shoot I've missed like seven
• 1:14:18
  or eight episodes so I think like you know go
• 1:14:23
  through and catch up and everything it was really
• 1:14:25
  good though because It was really cool, Rick,
• 1:14:28
  when you read the comments. It's kind of funny
• 1:14:30
  though, because you'd catch mine from like six
• 1:14:32
  or seven episodes prior and say, hey, Justin
• 1:14:34
  said something from a long time ago. Yeah. And
• 1:14:40
  then we cast our minds back and think, what's
• 1:14:42
  he sort of thinking about when he's giving that
• 1:14:44
  comment? What was he saying? Well, yeah, exactly.
• 1:14:49
  But also, that was something that was very important
• 1:14:51
  to me in Elaine is that we wanted to have a community
• 1:14:54
  of believers that we can talk with to and hear
• 1:14:57
  your comments and ask questions. And otherwise,
• 1:14:59
  it's just me and her chatting. And there's nothing
• 1:15:01
  wrong with that. I mean, I can sit and talk to
• 1:15:02
  Elaine. Hang on a minute. That sounds very nice,
• 1:15:06
  doesn't it? I just said I could talk to you all
• 1:15:09
  day. How much nicer do you want me to get? Yeah,
• 1:15:12
  but you didn't say that and you said that rather
• 1:15:14
  angrily then Okay, bye no cherry cherry just
• 1:15:19
  left. She told me everybody say goodbye. She
• 1:15:22
  enjoyed it But she didn't want to interrupt anybody
• 1:15:24
  but love to everyone. So cherry just left. Let's
• 1:15:27
  do cherry. Yeah and so yeah, thanks Justin and
• 1:15:33
  Heather and Tony and Cameron and Jalen and Bobby
• 1:15:38
  and Cheryl all of you guys Karen, I think you're
• 1:15:41
  still there. But all of you guys for making those
• 1:15:45
  comments and just being along the ride with us.
• 1:15:49
  You guys have no idea how much it means to me.
• 1:15:51
  And when you guys see Alan and Dina, please send
• 1:15:56
  our love to them and how much they would comment
• 1:15:58
  along the way. We know it's summertime. People
• 1:16:00
  get busy. Things are where they are. But much
• 1:16:04
  love to all of you guys. Thank you so much for
• 1:16:05
  being with us tonight. And Justin, we still got
• 1:16:10
  to get you to Western North Carolina, bro. We
• 1:16:12
  got to get you over here. I've only been trying
• 1:16:14
  to do this for the last two years. We got to
• 1:16:16
  get you over here. I'm down. I'm down. I really
• 1:16:19
  want to get out there. Whereabouts are you, Justin?
• 1:16:22
  I'm just a little bit south of Portland, Oregon,
• 1:16:26
  in a little town called Wilsonville. Right. Is
• 1:16:28
  that sort of the center of America? Is that the
• 1:16:31
  center sort of? No. Upper Northwest. West Coast.
• 1:16:34
  It's like Pacific Northwest. We're really close
• 1:16:37
  to the border of Washington and Oregon. Oh, right.
• 1:16:41
  Oh, a bit cold up there. Yeah, it's not too bad.
• 1:16:44
  It's actually pretty hot right now. On the West
• 1:16:46
  Coast, though. We're on the East Coast. Elaine's
• 1:16:50
  in Spain. This was fun. Terry was in Maine. Elaine's
• 1:16:55
  in Spain. You know, what do we gain? Now, I was
• 1:17:01
  trying to rhyme, sorry. Karen's in Jersey, Bobby
• 1:17:03
  and Cheryl in Texas. This has been cool. I don't
• 1:17:07
  know if you guys, this is cool. This is really
• 1:17:11
  cool. All right. I just wish I could see everybody.
• 1:17:16
  I can't, the thing is Justin, I can't see everybody.
• 1:17:20
  Why not? Because I'm on an iPhone 5. Rick, you
• 1:17:27
  got to help your friend out here. See, Elaine?
• 1:17:29
  That's why I've got to get you up. They're going
• 1:17:31
  to say, like, Rick, why didn't you get a phone?
• 1:17:33
  I'm going to. Oh, and her daughter gave her a
• 1:17:35
  newer one, but she just hasn't turned it on.
• 1:17:37
  All of these studies have been on this little
• 1:17:40
  iPhone 5. Yes, it's so hilarious. But you know,
• 1:17:45
  it does pretty well. It actually does pretty
• 1:17:47
  well, that little phone. It's not too bad. Well,
• 1:17:49
  again, I mean, you know, it's all sort of like
• 1:17:52
  behind the scenes. You can't see what's going
• 1:17:54
  on sort of in front of me. It's okay. It looks
• 1:17:56
  good. It's okay. I wouldn't have guessed you
• 1:18:00
  were on ancient technology. Thank you, Justin.
• 1:18:04
  Because I said to someone it's ancient technology
• 1:18:06
  and they said, no, it's not. It's an iPhone.
• 1:18:08
  And I said, yeah, but it's a find. Right. Technically
• 1:18:11
  an iPhone. That was Karen. That was Karen. We
• 1:18:14
  need a laptop. That's the real thing. She's got
• 1:18:18
  one. I've got three laptops but the thing is
• 1:18:21
  my internet, because I'm in sort of the countryside,
• 1:18:26
  well they say it, is they just they haven't got
• 1:18:28
  enough wiring apparently to sort of get it a
• 1:18:31
  bit quicker. It's crazy that you can get a phone
• 1:18:35
  anywhere but you got to hook into a laptop into
• 1:18:38
  something else. Isn't that stupid? It is stupid.
• 1:18:43
  It doesn't make any sense. What doesn't make
• 1:18:47
  sense the fact that a laptop has to be plugged
• 1:18:49
  into something or go through, you know, I guess
• 1:18:52
  Phone gets it anywhere. You should be able to
• 1:18:54
  get it anywhere on your laptop. I agree You know
• 1:19:01
  Rick, you know that we used to have my laptop
• 1:19:05
  and it just Jumping didn't it? It was yeah, it
• 1:19:09
  was it had it was lagging and then the camera
• 1:19:11
  wasn't as good as your phone camera was they
• 1:19:15
  want us all on phones that's why did rick did
• 1:19:18
  rick carter just join us rick rick big daddy
• 1:19:23
  carter say something big daddy what's up oh yeah
• 1:19:27
  look this is elaine meet rick big daddy everybody
• 1:19:31
  this is my best friend big daddy carter oh hello
• 1:19:35
  big daddy carter hello elaine how you doing i'm
• 1:19:39
  doing fine it's getting a bit late here though
• 1:19:41
  Yeah, it's a little after 119. It's 119 where
• 1:19:44
  she's at. Yeah. Yep. And then there's Justin
• 1:19:50
  Nichols and Cameron Driver and Tony, Tony F and
• 1:19:54
  Driver and then Heather and Bobby and Cheryl
• 1:19:59
  Huddle. Everybody, this is Big Daddy. Do you
• 1:20:03
  live near him then, Big Daddy? I do not. He lives
• 1:20:07
  down on the coast of South Carolina, about four
• 1:20:10
  hours from me. I did to be a part of the show.
• 1:20:12
  I lived in Columbia and that was two hour drive,
• 1:20:14
  two and a half hours, two and a half hour drive
• 1:20:16
  to the studio. One way. One way. He used to do
• 1:20:20
  it every other week just to be in the studio.
• 1:20:22
  That's how awesome he is. Oh, by the way, he's
• 1:20:27
  getting married on Tuesday. Congrats. Thank you.
• 1:20:33
  Congratulations. Yep. She's getting up. She's
• 1:20:37
  a lucky woman. Yeah, so she's marrying up It's
• 1:20:46
  like I told Holly this is the greatest day of
• 1:20:49
  your life What you're saying basically then is
• 1:20:54
  that she's punching above her weight Yeah, you
• 1:20:59
  saw my figure you would know it yeah Well, well
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  big daddy you you were actually jumping on as
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  we were about to close out so i'm glad you made
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  it sorry no it's okay guys glad you made it have
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  you got anything you'd like to say uh i don't
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  even know what to say i don't know what the anything
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  i would say at this moment would uh uh maybe
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  not be relevant to what you guys discussed in
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  your question and answering question what is
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  it what you said what would you say i said anything
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  i could say would would probably be irrelevant
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  so i don't know I really don't know. Rick and
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  I go through every time we go on the phone. And
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  even in this moment, we could instantly be gone
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  an hour in our discussions, in our theological
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  rabbit hole. I do the same thing with Elaine,
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  the same thing with Carol. Like when we get on
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  the phone, it is all like Donkey Kong. That's
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  just how it is. We just got to talk, talk, talk.
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  And so that's OK. That's OK. You know what I
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  hope, Cameron? You know what I hope, though?
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  I hope that whenever we all get to heaven. that
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  there will be a tiny little den with shag orange
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  carpet, and a little color TV with a VHS, and
• 1:22:11
  a Nintendo on the floor, and I can go over to
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  the cabinet, and I can pull out a VHS that's
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  the entire history of Alexander the Great. And
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  it's the real one, and I can actually watch it.
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  And then ask the Lord. Yeah. It might be a little
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  graphic. I know. You can know it without the
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  VHS player. That's true. hey when you download
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  it when you get here i'm gonna say there's a
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  weekend place that's in um north carolina rick
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  that we can go and spend the weekend at it's
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  an airbnb in the entire house it's two floors
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  it's got a basement it's all decorated in 80s
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  it's really got a full adult arcade downstairs
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  But all of the original arcade like Gallagher
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  and every position and all those kidnapping him
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  for a week. Yes. He is. Yes. Yes. We get the
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  weekend. Airbnb. It's an 80s house. We're going
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  to do it. I mean, everything, the beds are 80s.
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  It's got VHS. It's got cassette tape. So Heather,
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  Cameron, you guys don't understand, like for
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  us when we were kids, like Like he saw a shag
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  carpet, eight video games, but it was awesome
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  to us. We loved it. Paneling books. We had books
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  when we were kids. Yeah. Yeah. We were kids.
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  We had rocks. We played with rocks. We walked
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  seven miles up hill in the snow. So it's going
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  to be an 80s Rick Stravaganza. Yeah, that's right.
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  It would be a nightmare for a Gen Z or millennial.
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  But yeah, for us, it'd be that's heaven. For
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  sure. Well, listen, hey, Karen Rogers, would
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  you be willing to close us in prayer tonight?
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  Do you mind doing that? Absolutely. Okay. Elaine,
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  thank you so much. I was just going to say thank
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  you to everybody. Sorry. Thanks, everybody. Elaine,
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  especially thank you for staying up till one
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  almost one thirty in the morning. I love you
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  dearly. I'm not as chatty as normal, but. Yeah,
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  well, we're gonna shut her down. Thank you. Okay
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  Karen take over Okay, Heavenly Father. I thank
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  you for everybody that's here. I thank you for
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  your spirit That isn't all of us one spirit many
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  bodies here But one body in Christ and I pray
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  that you would go with everybody here and you
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  would lead them Into the things that they have
• 1:24:38
  for you that you would show them all the glorious
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  things that your will for them and they would
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  just Listen to your voice and hear your voice
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  deep inside them and I just pray that everybody
• 1:24:50
  has a safe week and I pray for Rick Carter's
• 1:24:53
  marriage and for their week together with Rick
• 1:24:57
  Welsh and Holly that they have a fantastic time
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  with great weather and shag carpet and I just
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  pray that your spirit goes with all of us and
• 1:25:06
  I thank you for this time. I thank you for the
• 1:25:08
  study. that rick's doing and i just pray that
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  you would be with him and that the holy spirit
• 1:25:14
  would teach elaine and rick exactly what they
• 1:25:17
  need to learn in all the studies that they do
• 1:25:19
  because it's you that ultimately opens our eyes
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  to the truth amen yes lord we thank you in jesus
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  name amen amen all right well god bless all of
• 1:25:30
  you have a wonderful evening thanks so much does
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  anybody have a problem with this being on patreon
• 1:25:36
  and youtube I will blur out C3's face, Cameron.
• 1:25:42
  I will not let his face be online, okay? No,
• 1:25:45
  I appreciate that. All right. Well, much love
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  to all of you guys. All right. Thank you. Good
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  night, everybody. Take care. Bye.