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NASA Reveals Unexpected Starship IFT-3 Mission Plans · Elon Musk Podcast

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  Hi everybody, welcome back to the show.
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  Today's episode is all about the IFT 3 flight for the Starship
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  Super Heavy from Boca Chica Starbase, Texas.
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  We're going to talk about the mission that's going to be
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  happening during this flight because it's impressive what
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  SpaceX is going to be trying to accomplish with this one as
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  opposed to the IFT 2 hot sieging was super impressive.
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  They got that pretty much right. Now we know the booster blew up
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  and we know the ship blew up, but there are some things that
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  they could be doing with the next flight that are absolutely
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  necessary for the Artemis 3 mission.
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  And these just came up a little bit ago and I want to show you a
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  few of these things happening. The human landing system
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  activities which were this is part of a slide from a NASA
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  presentation the other day. They show here that several
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  milestones completed including a vacuum optimized Raptor
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  performance test that successfully confirmed the
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  engine can be started in the extreme colder conditions result
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  resulting from extended time and space.
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  I can believe their second Starship flight test and are
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  quickly moving towards their third, which will include a
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  propellant transfer demonstration.
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  That's what we're talking about today, the propellant transfer
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  demonstration. Because what they need to do is
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  they need to send starships to orbit around the Earth in that
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  they have tankers of Starship propellant in orbit in.
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  The Starship will mate with those tankers and then they'll
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  transfer propellant from the tanker to the ship and then the
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  ship will go to the moon or wherever else it's going to be
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  going. Right.
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  So let's take a look at this real quick because I think this
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  is an important thing that we have to talk about today.
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  The you see the starships here circling these right now and we
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  see the propellant tanker is it's almost twice as high as you
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  can see. It's about, I did not not a
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  perfectly straight line there, but it's pretty close and as you
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  can see there's a little bit of a, it's a little bit different
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  here, it's a little bit taller, little bit bigger.
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  And if we go back to this slide, completed the 2nd Starship
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  flight test and then quickly towards the third which will
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  include a propellant transfer demonstration.
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  Now, do they mean a full transfer?
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  And do they have a propellant tanker ready to go at Starbase?
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  And the answer to that is probably not.
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  OK. So more than likely, and this is
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  actually being confirmed by a few sources now, this SpaceX
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  will be doing a fluid transfer or a propellant transfer from
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  something to something, from some tank to another tank while
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  they're doing their IFT 3 flight.
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  So they're going to get into space.
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  They broke the carbon line with the IFT 2 flight.
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  So that means they're technically in space.
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  And this is what this NASA tipping point agreement is that
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  SpaceX signed a while ago. So right here, as you can see,
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  SpaceX of Hawthorne Large scale Flight demonstration to transfer
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  10 metric tons of cryogenic propellant, specifically liquid
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  oxygen between tanks on a Starship vehicle.
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  SpaceX will collaborate with a Glen and Marshall.
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  Now these are tipping point selections for NASA for the
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  Artemis program. So 10 metric tons of cryogenic
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  propellant between tanks on a Starship vehicle.
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  So not only are we going to see a transfer of Starship between a
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  tanker, the big propellant tanker in orbit at some point,
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  but this next flight, the I FT3 flight is going to be
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  transferring propellant from one tank to another tank while it's
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  flying. Now this is incredible and these
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  things have been confirmed a few times on social media.
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  And you know, one of the one of the people that confirmed this
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  was Michael Sheets. Of course, space reporter.
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  Everybody knows Michael Sheets, Mike Sheets, the man and NBC
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  guy. So he has space like the third
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  Space Flight will include a propellant transfer.
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  And then he reached out to NASA in the in the later tweet, and
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  we'll talk about that too. Hawkins didn't address the third
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  Starship test flights plans in her remarks.
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  So I've reached out to NASA and SpaceX to clarify what
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  propellant transfer demonstration means in this
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  context. So we already know that the that
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  SpaceX and NASA had the tipping point consideration.
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  And then we're going to take a look at the update from Michael
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  Sheets. NASA confirms A Starship
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  propellant transfer demonstration could happen as
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  soon as the third test flight test of the SpaceX rocket,
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  although the plan is subject to change, and that's what's
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  important here. The subject to change always
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  happens with Space Flight because things might not line up
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  properly for the I FT3 flight. They may not be ready for it.
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  They may not have the right craft properly prepared for this
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  flight for the propellant demonstration, the transfer
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  demonstration. So we're gonna see in the near
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  future if this is actually a thing, we're gonna have to wait
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  for SpaceX to come out and say that the propellant transfer is
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  going to be happening with the IFT 3 flight.
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  Now, this tipping point agreement, let's take another
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  quick look at this cryogenic 10 tons of cryogenic propellant.
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  I know I'm behind that stuff is behind me.
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  But I'll tell you what it says 10 metric tons of cryogenic
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  propellant, specifically liquid oxygen between tanks and a
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  Starship vehicle. That means they're not going to
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  be transferring it to the to the propellant tanker, because the
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  tanker's a whole different beast that's basically a Starship and
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  a half, but full of propellant that they have to shoot up into
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  orbit. And have we already seen sort of
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  a a mock up of this? Not sure yet, but we'll get into
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  that a little bit because that's that's a fun one to think about
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  too. Now, another thing that's
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  interesting, another fun thing to think about for the IFT 3
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  flight. Toby Lee, the internal date for
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  IFT 3 is scheduled for Christmas Day, but that's almost
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  guaranteed to slip. OK, so they're still working on
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  the pad, they're still working on Starbase itself, they're
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  still working on the launch area of Starbase.
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  And they have 20 days to get this right, to to get all the
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  propellant loading, all the all the static fires done, all the
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  stacking. They have to stack, unstack,
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  restack, do fit checks, things like that, in order for them to
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  actually fly this. Could they do that in three
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  weeks? History has shown that they
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  can't really move that fast, and that seems like a horrible thing
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  to say. The SpaceX can't move really
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  fast because they're moving faster than everybody else ever,
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  like, literally ever. They're they're the fastest
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  Space Flight company ever. But can they do this in three
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  weeks? Well, we've seen them static
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  fire numerous times. It takes about, it takes a few
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  days to do a static fire. The static fire itself is only
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  like a couple seconds, you know, like a quick burst.
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  They have to move the booster and the ship down to the flight
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  area and then they have to lift the the the booster onto the pad
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  and around to the mount. Now that takes about a day,
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  right? So then they have to do static
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  fire. They have, they have to do,
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  actually, they have to do propellant filled tests, they
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  have to check out systems. So those usually take the the
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  system. Checkouts usually take another
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  day. Propellant fill tests usually
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  take three or four days altogether, so the booster
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  itself 5-6 days. So they have to do the same
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  thing with the ship, 5-6 days, about a week each, so there's
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  two weeks. Then they have to do stacking,
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  they have to move things around. They have to make sure that
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  everything works properly when it's stacked couple days there
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  and then they have to do, you know, propellant load in the
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  stacked area. They have to get, they have to
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  get certification from the FAA as well and that may take a
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  while. So they may be able to stack it.
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  They may be able to stack it by Christmas Day, but usually in
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  anything tech, anything tech. I've worked in tech for 15 years
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  and engineering, you know, I've been, I've been around engineers
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  my whole life. I know how this works.
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  Usually when they set an internal date, this is for
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  people to aspire to. So the internal date, Christmas
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  Day. This is something for the
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  engineers and the people at Starbase to aspire to get done
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  because everyone's going on break, You know, IFT 3 is
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  scheduled for Christmas Day. It's almost guaranteed a slip.
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  Yeah, Toby Lee, you're right, it's almost guaranteed a slip.
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  But the internal dates are to push people forward so they can
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  continue working as hard as they can and work those long extra
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  hours so they can get everything done before they go home for
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  Christmas break. They get they want to get
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  everything as as good as possible, as done as possible,
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  because they do have a Christmas break at Starbase.
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  They do have Christmas breaks and you know, holiday breaks for
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  people at SpaceX. So if they know there's not
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  going to be a big team there for a week, maybe some people will
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  be taking vacations for a week or a week and a half.
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  And they're not going to have the full staff of people there.
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  So there's a possibility they're just pushing this through so
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  that they get as much work done before the break as possible.
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  So more than likely I FT3 will slip past past Christmas.
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  Unfortunately for us, you know we probably let's just how about
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  tell me in the comments, do you think it's possible Tell me in
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  the comments because I don't know man.
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  It seems like it it might be possible if they get everything
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  absolutely perfectly done right now, like have to do it right
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  now, like literally they have to start stacking this thing like
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  as soon as possible. But is it possible and did we
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  already see a propellant tanker test?
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  Could this be the article? That could be the propellant
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  tanker test model? The ship 26?
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  They did a static fire on it. Could this be IFT 3?
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  Because they have to get the propellant transfer alike
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  perfectly done. They have to do it perfect in
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  the first few flights event in order for it to function
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  properly. For the future of SpaceX and for
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  Artemis and etcetera. So This is why would they why
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  would they satisfy this if they're not going to use it in
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  the future unless they were doing some new plumbing for the
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  next Raptor engines or something like that.
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  It it's there's a anything is possible anything is possible
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  here. So the IFT 3 flight it's going
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  to transfer propellant in the ship itself.
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  So in there's going to be a tanker to tanker or a tank to
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  tank transfer and ship 26. Possibly going to be a a in
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  orbit propellant transfer vehicle.
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  Or it could have just been a demonstration test to to check
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  out flow or you know any anything's possible with this
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  thing. So could this be IFT 3 possibly
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  too. Could they be flying IFT 3?
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  And then there's some, some set back or there's some.
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  There's some weird stuff with that too, if you think about it,
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  because this doesn't have, doesn't have any wings, it
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  doesn't have any heat shield, it doesn't have anything that the
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  other ships that have already flown have or have been tested,
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  you know, ship 24/7 even had all those things, had the heat
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  shield and the wings and everything.
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  But this has nothing. This is a bare fuselage.
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  It's just a nose cone and a tube, you know, in the internals
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  of course in the engines. But could this be the IFT 3
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  Flame? And I've been thinking about
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  that a little bit because it just has to demonstrate the in
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  orbit propellant transfer. And if they don't really care,
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  like how it functions after that, then why not just send
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  something up that's just has tanks in it, you know?
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  And they get that, they get that job done.
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  It doesn't have to land perfectly.
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  It can burn up. Sorry.
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  You can belly smack her in the off the coast of Kauai like
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  anything else could. And it doesn't need a heath
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  shield. It doesn't really.
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  I mean, does it need wings if it's being propelled through
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  space? Not at that point.
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  But when it comes back in it can't really guide itself as
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  well without the wings. So there's a, there's a slight
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  possibility that this could be some sort of transfer protocol
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  and they just shoot it up there and you know, hope.
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  I mean, they can't really. I mean, they can steer it with
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  the Raptor engines, but not as well with wings, not as well as
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  with wings. So there's a possibility,
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  slight, slight possibility. I'm going to give it a 2%
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  possibility that this thing could be the propellant transfer
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  ship. But let me know what you think
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  in the comments, because I want to.
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  I want to hear some some ideas from some people, because
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  without any way to steer this thing other than the Raptor
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  engines, it might be too dangerous at this point because
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  this is totally a a test article.
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  Like Starship is still a test article, it's still a still a
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  test a test ship. So this might be a little bit
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  too much at this point without the wings of the heat shield or
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  anything like that. Plus they have to demonstrate
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  that all the other things are going to work.
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  So, you know, they have to make sure that everything works and
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  that the propellant tanks don't blow up, you know, And there's
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  only one of these and there's a bunch of other, there's four
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  other ships, you know, that are that are at Starbase right now
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  that are like raring to go until the next Raptor engines are
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  installed on the next ship. So we're going to see, hopefully
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  by, I'm going to guess, February, then they're going to
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  get this thing ready because they're going to work really
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  fast until December 25th and I've been down there during
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  Christmas. It gets dead.
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  There's barely anybody there for about a week, so they're going
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  to lose about a week's worth of time.
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  And you know, just side of the road broadcasting when I was
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  down there, I I barely saw anybody else.
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  The only other people that I really saw there were security
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  guards and Jessica Kirsch and a couple other people would like
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  wander through. But there was never any, like
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  never any like real big presence of Starship facility operators
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  or engineers or anybody working on the ships themselves.
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  So that happened last year too. So if history does repeat
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  itself, there's a possibility that, you know, this, like
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  Starbase basically shuts down for a week and 1/2.
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  So they're going to push hard through December and then the
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  end of December, they're going to take a week to reconfigure,
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  get everybody ready for the new year, and then they're going to
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  push hard to get IFT 3 off the ground.
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  They would really love to get it done by the end of this year
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  though, because they have five flights per year according to
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  their current contract. And if they can get a third one
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  off by the end of the year, they could possibly deter another.
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  They could get three done out of the five and then they restart
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  on January 1st with five more. So, and they can always, if they
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  need it, they can get more. So that might not even be an
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  issue going forward. So it it could be a small thing
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  that they just have to reapply for, you know, and they're
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  probably already in the process of them.
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  So they have to prove this out and then we'll see.
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  That's pretty much it like we're going to see what happens, but I
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  don't see a flight happening by the end of this year.
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  Also, there's one other really cool thing that I wanted to show
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  you, Jared Isaacman. So the Polaris, Dawn mission
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  commander, and this is for the Hubble Space Telescope, and
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  we're all familiar with the Hubble Space Telescope, like, so
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  much cool stuff for the Hubble. NASA was working to resume
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  science operations of the Hubble Space Telescope after it entered
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  safe Mode November 23rd due to an ongoing gyroscope issue.
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  Hubble's instruments are stable and the telescope is in good
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  health, so everything's working properly on Hubble.
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  The gyroscopes went down. So they had to take this thing
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  whole like completely offline because the gyroscopes, this
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  thing is old. You know, Hubble's, Hubble's
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  old, decades old. And then Jared Eisenman says put
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  us in coach. OK, so that's.
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  So if you're not familiar with the Polaris program, Polaris
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  program is using SpaceX technology, Falcon 9 rockets and
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  Crew Dragons to basically go to orbit for regular people to go
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  to orbit. A very, very cool team of people
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  to go to orbit and they're going to be doing some specific
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  demonstrations to show that human spaceflight for regular
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  people and discovery missions and science missions for regular
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  people is possible. So Jared says put us in coach
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  they've been training for Polaris for since they announced
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  it. And they're they're doing
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  flights, they're doing parachuting.
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  They're doing everything that like a, like a NASA astronaut
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  would do. But they're like, I wouldn't say
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  they're normal people. I would say they're exceptional
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  people that are doing exceptional things.
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  But they aren't NASA astronauts. You know, they're, they're not
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  trained by NASA. They didn't have to go through
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  decades of training in the Air Force or the Marines or
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  something like that in order to get to this position.
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  Jared is a pilot. But the other thing is you can
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  go through training and that's where they're that's what
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  they're doing here. They're going through training
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  to do these incredible missions to to do things like this.
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  And there was a couple more comments that were impressive
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  here. Do you think it would be best to
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  repair Hubble or recover or preserve and preserve with
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  Starship? Both can eventually be done,
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  said Jared. Jared.
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  So Hubble repairs, we know that Hubble's been repaired a few
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  times. There are, there's use cases for
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  Hubble, of course. So much science has been done
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  with Hubble. We've discovered so many things
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  and we can continue to discover things.
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  Both can eventually be done now, STSS TS125 said.
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  Problem is, Hubble needs more than just a boost.
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  It needs repairs. How do you expect to do this
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  without the shuttle capabilities?
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  It was hard work then, with the best only vehicle capable of
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  such work. Now, Jared said replacement
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  computers and gyros are not the size of refrigerators anymore.
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  Now STS 125 says. I get that.
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  I'm thinking more about how do you plan to get up to the body
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  of Hubble and do the work with the resources, especially the
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  Canadarm, or without the resources?
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  It's what they wanted to say without the resources,
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  especially the Canadarm, because basically the space shuttle
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  would fly up, open up its hatch, and people would, you know,
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  transfer from the shuttle to the to the to the telescope via the,
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  you know, via the ship. But now Jared said a study has
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  already been done with this. So all good.
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  Like, Jared's like, we can do it.
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  Let's just go like NASA, please just let us go up there.
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  Why aren't you let us letting us go up there?
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  I don't know what the deal is, but why aren't you just letting
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  us do this? And you know, Jared is a
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  exceptional human being. He's done so many wonderful
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  things. And he is a proponent of human
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  spaceflight, continues to work hard to kind of lay the
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  foundation for future spaceflight.
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  For I keep calling them regular people or normal people, but
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  they are exceptional people doing this right now.
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  But eventually, decades down the line, everybody will be able to
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  go to space, which is insane to think about because these are
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  things that we thought about and people have thought about since
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  the dawn of the space age and since the dawn of the Wright
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  Brothers. Like, how can we get to the
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  moon? And they've been thinking about
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  this for hundreds of thousands of years.
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  Like, how do we get up there? This is the foundation, this
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  the, this is the legwork that needed to be done.
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  Jared and his teams will be like basically go down in history is
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  some of the first people to do this other than through a
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  government because governments have deep pockets and they also
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  have the resources to hire people that will get these jobs
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  done. Engineers, scientists, etcetera.
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  They can get these jobs done. Now we have for profit companies
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  like SpaceX and we also have billionaires like Jared who's
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  like, I'm going to do this cool stuff.
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  Can we work together? I got all this money.
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  Like, yeah, sure. I I do like so much wonderful
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  things through Saint Jude and helping people out.
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  But shift for payments, things like that, like his, his
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  company's make bazillions of dollars.
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  Jared is like, I'm a, I'm a, you know, an extreme kind of person.
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  I would like to go to space, please, SpaceX, take my money,
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  You know, the meme. Take my money.
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  And yeah, so it's like, that's what he did to SpaceX.
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  Like I want to do these cool things.
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  How can we do this rationally and get these jobs done?
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  Because I want to. I want to be.
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  I want to be the guy, you know and that's it takes a certain
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  kind of person to do that and Jared is that person.
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  So yeah, I think this is possible.
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  I think it's just really cool. It's just a cool little side
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  thing that we had to talk about today.
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  I thought it was really neat. But there's there's like one
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  other thing that I want to tell you about because I know if you
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  went this far along this rant that I've been going on today.
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  SpaceX has been talking about having like 8 to 10 propellant
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  transfer vehicles on their ship shipped to transfer to to the
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  tanker from the tanker to the ship and NASA just came through
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  with a high teens number Hawkins estimated high teens is driven
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  by concerns over propellant loss known as boil off at the depot.
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  So these depots high teens so with SpaceX and Elon were saying
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  like 8 you know and then they're saying high teens.
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  So it just basically double S it, you know, like OK, high
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  teens, they're going to send eight or they're going to send
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  15 tankers going to boil off because basically the sun is
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  beating down on these things and they're not complete.
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  Like the molecules in the propellant leak out after a
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  while. And it's just like what can you
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  do, right? Like it's just physics, it's
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  just that's how it works. So boil off happens unless
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  SpaceX can launch these ships immediately to, you know, they
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  they might be able to send these like eight tankers up in the
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  same 48 hours. And if that's the case, you
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  know, one or two from the Cape and then one or two from Texas,
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  one or two from the Cape, one or two from tech.
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  You know, back and forth, back and forth, Get 8 to 10 up there
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  and then send the ship up. That's going to be incredible.
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  Is that possible by Artemis 3? Now they're kind of pushing back
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  Artemis 3 to 2027 now, which is, you know it's kind of concerning
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  but also it's spaceflight and the initial the initial time
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  frames for this were ridiculous to begin with.
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  Everybody knew this in the spaceflight industry that the
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  the time frames for this were ridiculous like we're not going
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  to get you know Artemis 3 to to the moon by 2024.
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  You know like it. It just it's it's a ridiculous
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  timeline and the the idea was just put it out there and then
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  of course it's NASA and it's the government So you can kind of
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  push back a little bit and you can get the the time frames that
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  you need. But if the International
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  Astronomical Congress didn't specify a number only mentioned
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  the need for multiple launches Hawkins estimated high teens
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  achieving the Artemis schedule imaging the fuel loss requires
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  rapid successful successive launches.
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  These will occur from Boca Chica Texas and Kennedy Space Center
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  at 39 A on a six day rotation. So boom boom boom, boom.
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  You know that that's it's going to be insane.
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  tanker transfer protocols and when do you think, when do you
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  think any of this is going to happen?
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  You know, is it is the tanker transfer going to happen in IFT
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  3? When is it going to happen?
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  Is it going to happen before December 25th?
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  It's going to be, it's going to be close.
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