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Ep. 12 | Mysterious Missouri w/ Alex Shae pt.1 | Sasquatch & Sourdough Podcast · Sasquatch & Sourdough

• 0:03
  SPEAKER_00: Welcome to Sasquatch and Sourdough, the podcast where we embark on a journey into the depths of the unknown.
• 0:10
  SPEAKER_00: History of life.
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  SPEAKER_00: Weaving together threads of ancient scripture.
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  SPEAKER_06: Whether you're a secret We believe it's the heart of the heart.
• 0:27
  SPEAKER_00: What about the twin?
• 0:29
  SPEAKER_00: That's what it's powered out.
• 0:31
  SPEAKER_00: Invites to join us on the journey of discovery.
• 0:33
  SPEAKER_00: Wonderful.
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  SPEAKER_00: Prepare to explore the sacred mysteries of our highly strange world but never before.
• 0:52
  SPEAKER_00: And that is the whole problem with alien.
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  SPEAKER_04: And I am joined today with my beautiful best friend, Crystal.
• 1:24
  SPEAKER_04: And also, you are you, but we also have our second guest, Miss Alex Shea.
• 1:31
  SPEAKER_04: Hi, Alex.
• 1:33
  SPEAKER_04: We are so excited to have Alex here.
• 1:35
  SPEAKER_04: Um, she actually has a connection with our first guest who was the bird nerd, and we will get into that.
• 1:42
  SPEAKER_04: But first, Alex.
• 1:44
  SPEAKER_04: Oh wow, yeah.
• 1:45
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, right?
• 1:46
  SPEAKER_04: I know.
• 1:46
  SPEAKER_04: Okay, surprise number one.
• 1:48
  SPEAKER_04: Surprise number two, or secret number two.
• 1:51
  SPEAKER_04: Uh, we have a little bit.
• 1:52
  SPEAKER_04: I decided to start an initiation process when we have a guest.
• 1:57
  SPEAKER_04: So you've never been on before, and Alex, we have a weird question for you.
• 2:01
  SPEAKER_04: There's no wrong answer.
• 2:03
  SPEAKER_04: Have you ever seen the most amazing horror movie ever, The Burbs?
• 2:10
  SPEAKER_05: You know what?
• 2:11
  SPEAKER_05: That's the one that I haven't, and that is with um Oh my gosh, Tom Hanks, right?
• 2:17
  SPEAKER_04: Oh my gosh.
• 2:18
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, so I know about it, but I've never actually seen it.
• 2:22
  SPEAKER_05: I'm actually, I'm gonna make my son watch Nothing But Trouble tonight, but I'm gonna make that on our list to watch because we've been trying, you know, it's it's October, so we're trying to get all the spooky stuff in.
• 2:36
  SPEAKER_05: So I will take that as a sign that that's something I need to watch.
• 2:40
  SPEAKER_04: That you now have homework.
• 2:41
  SPEAKER_05: I do.
• 2:44
  SPEAKER_05: I'm honestly shocked.
• 2:46
  SPEAKER_05: You would be shocked at a lot of the things that I have never seen.
• 2:50
  SPEAKER_05: Uh, the first time I watched Nightmare on Elm Street was probably about a year and a half ago.
• 2:55
  SPEAKER_05: People the things people think I'm interested.
• 2:58
  SPEAKER_05: The things people think I'm interested in are actually probably the complete opposite.
• 3:03
  SPEAKER_05: And they they're kind of fascinated with that.
• 3:06
  SPEAKER_05: But that's been happening my whole life.
• 3:08
  SPEAKER_05: Like my sister went on this tangent one time about 80s movies and how I had never seen certain movies, and she made me sit down for a whole week and watch all these movies.
• 3:18
  SPEAKER_05: She's like, You can't give your life if you've never seen these movies.
• 3:22
  SPEAKER_05: And I was like, Okay, I'll do that.
• 3:25
  SPEAKER_04: So, what was one that she made you watch that you were like, This is super lame?
• 3:32
  SPEAKER_05: You know, she didn't really make me watch anything super lame.
• 3:35
  SPEAKER_05: I mean, she was very, very persistent that I watched Back to the Future and all of them.
• 3:40
  SPEAKER_04: Okay.
• 3:40
  SPEAKER_05: Um, that was like the first one she she was like, Oh my gosh, you're not even cultured.
• 3:45
  SPEAKER_05: Like, let's help you.
• 3:47
  SPEAKER_05: And I'm so glad I had my older sisters to do that.
• 3:50
  SPEAKER_05: But um, that was probably my favorite one that she watched.
• 3:53
  SPEAKER_05: And this one's not even like spooky or anything, but there was a movie called Eight Seconds, and it was like a true story about like a bull rider, and for whatever reason, that one really stuck with me just because it was a true story.
• 4:06
  SPEAKER_05: But yeah, she would she made sure, and then Friends, she was obsessed with the show Friends, so I had to watch every single episode of Friends, which I loved it, so I wasn't upset about it, but um yeah, I'm glad I had an older sister too.
• 4:20
  SPEAKER_05: But when we were children, they loved making me watch Chucky.
• 4:25
  SPEAKER_05: Um, they had me, I'm sure I watched all those horror movies as a baby or a child.
• 4:30
  SPEAKER_05: I actually got grounded from Drop Dead Fred.
• 4:34
  SPEAKER_05: That was one that oh my gosh, that's one of my favorites.
• 4:37
  SPEAKER_05: And I got grounded from that because I called my mom the mega beast.
• 4:42
  SPEAKER_05: Um, we'll just say that's what it was.
• 4:44
  SPEAKER_05: But then I came home and my mom told my sister's mom, uh, she's not allowed to watch Drop Dead Fred at your house anymore.
• 4:53
  SPEAKER_05: Oh my gosh.
• 4:54
  SPEAKER_05: That was pretty funny.
• 4:56
  SPEAKER_05: I love that movie.
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  SPEAKER_05: It's a good one.
• 4:58
  SPEAKER_05: People should go back and watch it because uh just thinking about imaginary friends and um yeah, just all the things that it made her do as a child and then as an adult.
• 5:08
  SPEAKER_05: It watching it now as an adult is honestly it's pretty funny because I was like, I watched that as a child.
• 5:16
  SPEAKER_05: What?
• 5:17
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, now that I think about Crystal, you remember that movie, right?
• 5:20
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, yeah.
• 5:23
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, why were we allowed to watch all that stuff?
• 5:25
  SPEAKER_05: And everything back then, it was rated PG or PG 13.
• 5:30
  SPEAKER_05: But I told my son when we were watching some of these movies, he was like, This is not PG 13, mom.
• 5:35
  SPEAKER_05: I said, I know that's what it says.
• 5:38
  SPEAKER_05: But in the 90s and the 80s, PG 13 was a little different.
• 5:45
  SPEAKER_04: What were you doing?
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  SPEAKER_04: Crystal, you said you guys watched a movie like the beginning of like Halloween season, and you were like Monster Squad.
• 5:53
  SPEAKER_03: Monster Squad.
• 5:54
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, it's a classic.
• 5:58
  SPEAKER_04: Classic.
• 5:59
  SPEAKER_04: Alright, so you've got homework, you've gotta watch the bird.
• 6:01
  SPEAKER_04: Oh my gosh, it's the best movie.
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  SPEAKER_04: Crystal and I could just sit and talk about it forever.
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  SPEAKER_04: And we're like the only ones that we know that like actually like know and love it.
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  SPEAKER_04: It's so underrated, I don't get it.
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  SPEAKER_05: I've heard it's a like a cult classic and that few should that people should watch it.
• 6:15
  SPEAKER_05: So I'm gonna take that as my sign that I need to do that.
• 6:18
  SPEAKER_04: It's just like comfort, it's like an amazing um okay.
• 6:23
  SPEAKER_04: So speaking of comfort, I do have some weird news.
• 6:25
  SPEAKER_04: Have you guys?
• 6:26
  SPEAKER_04: Um, you guys like like everybody likes pumpkin spice lattes, right?
• 6:30
  SPEAKER_04: Like we love pumpkin spice.
• 6:32
  SPEAKER_05: Oh, are you about to tell me about the Congress ladies suing Starbucks?
• 6:37
  SPEAKER_04: So let me try to do this.
• 6:38
  SPEAKER_04: I don't know if I can actually get away with doing this.
• 6:41
  SPEAKER_04: I'm kind of new to Riverside, and I'm really excited when I can like share my screen and it works.
• 6:46
  SPEAKER_04: Um, and I hope that I don't get like flagged because this is like one of my favorite podcasts is uh ninjas ninjas are butterflies, and they always do this stuff.
• 6:57
  SPEAKER_04: So let me see if I can actually get it to play because it is it's so much better when you present it with their content because they're like so awesome.
• 7:05
  SPEAKER_04: They're so good.
• 7:06
  SPEAKER_04: Um okay, let me see if it'll and like his wife's reaction is awesome.
• 7:11
  SPEAKER_01: So let's say if you're this lady in Congress apparently was suing Starbucks because they weren't listening to the ingredients on their drinks.
• 7:16
  SPEAKER_01: Oh gosh.
• 7:17
  SPEAKER_01: And the pumpkin spice latte had the active ingredient of ammonia in it.
• 7:22
  SPEAKER_01: Oh why?
• 7:23
  SPEAKER_01: They use it for food coloring to make it orange, yeah.
• 7:26
  SPEAKER_01: So it's there's gotta be a better way.
• 7:28
  SPEAKER_01: In Europe, they list the ingredients and they use, I believe, carrot or beets or something.
• 7:33
  SPEAKER_01: That's like a natural food coloring.
• 7:34
  SPEAKER_01: But the US Starbucks was using an ingredient that ammonia in the pumpkin spice boxes to make them orange.
• 7:43
  SPEAKER_01: What am I doing?
• 7:46
  SPEAKER_02: Well, I wonder why everyone's dying of cancer.
• 7:49
  SPEAKER_02: Because we're drinking ammonia, and that's on purpose.
• 7:51
  SPEAKER_02: It has to be on purpose.
• 7:54
  SPEAKER_02: And there's no way they just cut it out.
• 7:56
  SPEAKER_02: It's the middle of fall.
• 7:57
  SPEAKER_02: You know how how millions of gallons they have of that stuff, probably.
• 8:01
  SPEAKER_02: Oh my gosh.
• 8:02
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, I got pumpkin spice latte.
• 8:04
  SPEAKER_04: I could yeah, so I didn't actually so this is what I end up doing is I just go here for my news and then I don't actually like follow the whole story.
• 8:11
  SPEAKER_04: But do you like know the whole story?
• 8:13
  SPEAKER_05: Like I don't know the whole story, but I actually told all my friends at work today about it because they all love that.
• 8:19
  SPEAKER_05: And I said, I have really bad news, guys.
• 8:22
  SPEAKER_05: Really bad news.
• 8:23
  SPEAKER_03: You're doing it ammonia.
• 8:25
  SPEAKER_03: You're doing it ammonia.
• 8:28
  SPEAKER_05: She's like, I had one yesterday.
• 8:29
  SPEAKER_05: But there's so many things in the United States that is acceptable that is banned in other countries, you know, and yellow, I think it's yellow dye number five, that's what makes the Cheetos like that orangish color.
• 8:42
  SPEAKER_05: Oh that is banned in other countries as well, and that like all the things that we have we should not be putting in our bodies.
• 8:51
  SPEAKER_04: I just fatly ate a bunch of Cheetos like three hours ago.
• 8:55
  SPEAKER_03: So they're flammable.
• 8:59
  SPEAKER_03: They are flammable.
• 9:01
  unknown: Oh my gosh.
• 9:02
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, if you're ever stranded in the forest and you have like Doritos or Cheetos, you'll be fine because they're fire.
• 9:09
  SPEAKER_03: They create fire.
• 9:10
  SPEAKER_04: Actually, yes.
• 9:12
  SPEAKER_04: And I feel like I don't know exactly what happened, but somebody like did that as a test.
• 9:17
  SPEAKER_04: I feel like maybe it was like Boy Scouts or something, and they're like, We just need some talkies and we'll be fine.
• 9:25
  SPEAKER_04: Fire starter.
• 9:26
  unknown: Fire starter.
• 9:27
  SPEAKER_04: What is going on?
• 9:29
  SPEAKER_04: Um, oh my goodness.
• 9:31
  SPEAKER_04: All right, so yeah, all right.
• 9:32
  SPEAKER_04: So Alex has homework.
• 9:33
  SPEAKER_04: You're coming back and we're talking about the burbs because you're gonna love it.
• 9:36
  SPEAKER_04: Absolutely.
• 9:36
  SPEAKER_04: Please take notes.
• 9:37
  SPEAKER_04: Um, so that was all my weird stuff.
• 9:40
  SPEAKER_04: So the other thing is like Crystal and I love talking about the season of how in because we're in Maryland and you're in Missouri.
• 9:49
  SPEAKER_04: Um Kansas City, right?
• 9:51
  SPEAKER_04: Correct.
• 9:52
  SPEAKER_04: Okay, so I had to like in by preparation, I had to remind myself a thousand times that like it's you're not in Kansas, like you're in Missouri.
• 10:01
  SPEAKER_04: Um, and my 10-year-old had to keep telling me that too.
• 10:04
  SPEAKER_04: He's like, No, it's he's he's like, does she like the Kansas City Chiefs?
• 10:08
  SPEAKER_04: And I was like, I don't know.
• 10:09
  SPEAKER_04: I will ask him.
• 10:10
  SPEAKER_05: Huge, huge Kansas City Chiefs fan, and that's it's funny because that is a big if someone who is not from here and they say, Oh, you're from Kansas, we I feel like, and I maybe I'm just I won't try to represent everybody, but we get really offended and we're like, no, we are Kansas City, Missouri, and we're actually the original Kansas City, so I think that's why it's so um I don't want to say hurtful, but we get offended because we're like, no, because we're not from Kansas, we're we're from Missouri.
• 10:42
  SPEAKER_04: That's hilarious.
• 10:43
  SPEAKER_05: And I've been a Chiefs fan my whole life, like my grandparents growing up, the ones that were really the most influential in my life.
• 10:49
  SPEAKER_05: And I think I shared with you a little bit about my grandma.
• 10:52
  SPEAKER_05: She's the only one that really talked to me about spiritual stuff, and uh they um were the biggest cheese fan.
• 10:59
  SPEAKER_05: I just went and saw her at the the memory care facility that she's at, she has dementia, and yeah, she had her Chief's jersey on.
• 11:05
  SPEAKER_05: Like my grandpa helped her put her Chiefs jersey on for Sunday, and my grandpa used to have a ref outfit, like a whole ref outfit, and he had a yellow flag and a hat and a whistle.
• 11:15
  SPEAKER_05: It would just be us three in the house, and I would hear the whistle blowing and the flag thrown.
• 11:20
  SPEAKER_05: He would get into it, and this is he was a diehard fan when we were not winning for years and years.
• 11:26
  SPEAKER_05: So we we finally went to the Super Bowl.
• 11:28
  SPEAKER_05: I was so I was so happy for my grandpa because he actually got to go.
• 11:31
  SPEAKER_05: And I was like, he probably never thought in a million years that we would win one, and now we're maybe on the possibly on the road to win three.
• 11:38
  SPEAKER_05: So it makes me happy because yeah, we're we've always been huge Kansas City Chiefs fans, just because like I said, my grandparents, they were really big um sports fans, and so it just I'm not like I'm not like so so into it, but I I really I love that it brings everyone together and it's been really neat seeing my city kind of transform basically, and not even anything with the Travis Kelsey and the Taylor stuff.
• 12:03
  SPEAKER_05: It's just neat to see our town actually doing gooder ones, like all my friends at my work are they're all Swifties.
• 12:09
  SPEAKER_05: I'm the only one Swifty.
• 12:11
  SPEAKER_05: I only know the stuff because of them, like I'm learning actually about her, uh just through them.
• 12:16
  SPEAKER_05: But yeah, we're all huge Kansas City Chiefs fans out here.
• 12:20
  SPEAKER_04: That's so funny.
• 12:21
  SPEAKER_04: Well, that's why the uh like all every 10-year-old in Maryland is having a conversation about it because of like all the girls are talking about tell like Taylor Swift, and then the boys are just like Travis Kelsey, and I'm like, I don't I could care less.
• 12:32
  SPEAKER_04: Um just whatever.
• 12:35
  SPEAKER_05: I only know that we win Chiefs games when the people at the lake right next to me start shooting off fireworks.
• 12:41
  SPEAKER_05: I'm like, oh, I think we won.
• 12:42
  SPEAKER_05: Oh, there you go.
• 12:43
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 12:44
  SPEAKER_05: I'm listening to a Sasquatch podcast and not watching the Chiefs games, so exactly.
• 12:51
  SPEAKER_04: Um, so you so that's what I kind of wanted to like segue into is that like when we were kind of doing like our little bit of research and kind of talking about like Missouri, um, apparently you told me like it's a really weird place.
• 13:06
  SPEAKER_05: Yes.
• 13:09
  SPEAKER_04: I was listening to Oh yeah, because I was I was telling you like I was listening to the bump podcast earlier today and it was a guy from Missouri who like apparently his mom has like a portal on her property and they've had some insane spiritual stuff like going on.
• 13:24
  SPEAKER_04: Just like so.
• 13:25
  SPEAKER_04: Do you um I think most people will probably know you from your amazing photography.
• 13:30
  SPEAKER_04: I forgot to totally introduce like oh no, you're good.
• 13:33
  SPEAKER_04: Like your photography's amazing.
• 13:36
  SPEAKER_04: Um, I know you from Instagram and that, but then also being on.
• 13:40
  SPEAKER_04: I think we probably first heard you on the confessionals was with the the pterodactyl creature thing that you c you captured.
• 13:47
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, so people think I was on the confessionals, but I never was.
• 13:51
  SPEAKER_05: They never reached back out to me um because I didn't type out my whole story, and that's okay.
• 13:57
  SPEAKER_05: I just don't like typing out things because didn't, but weren't you on wasn't that like wasn't your story on it?
• 14:03
  SPEAKER_05: I didn't have a video about it.
• 14:04
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, they never contacted me back, but they did a video.
• 14:07
  SPEAKER_05: Um, they had the guy from Cryptus of the corn like analyze my stuff and then they posted it.
• 14:14
  SPEAKER_05: But then another gentleman was telling people that I was on the podcast, but I I wasn't on the podcast.
• 14:19
  SPEAKER_05: I think he just thought I was because he was maybe just confused, but I've never actually been on their podcast.
• 14:25
  SPEAKER_05: I think it was it was Bo's podcast.
• 14:30
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, that's that was probably the first, like I would say, bigger uh podcast that I did.
• 14:36
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 14:37
  SPEAKER_04: Okay, because I was trying to make a list and I remember seeing it like being featured on the confessionals, but like I definitely like heard it like you were because you were just on Cryptid Warfare like the same night that I was.
• 14:49
  SPEAKER_04: So that was right.
• 14:50
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, that was like kind of another thing too.
• 14:53
  SPEAKER_04: So it was like we definitely like overlapped, but like that's really and then you said you knew the burden lady.
• 14:59
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 15:00
  SPEAKER_04: So we interviewed her because she reached out to us on Instagram.
• 15:05
  SPEAKER_04: Um, I don't know we she and I were just talking about like birding stuff.
• 15:09
  SPEAKER_04: I can't remember what I sent her.
• 15:10
  SPEAKER_04: Um, it was probably like some reel or something, and she was like just kind of said she saw this crazy thing.
• 15:17
  SPEAKER_04: Um, she ended up seeing like a white Bigfoot in South, she's in South Carolina.
• 15:21
  SPEAKER_04: So she told me that.
• 15:23
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, so she she actually kind of broke the story on our show, which was really kind of exciting.
• 15:28
  SPEAKER_04: Um, because she I I don't think she's I might be wrong, but I don't think she's like told it on anybody else's like show.
• 15:34
  SPEAKER_04: And it was like through her binoculars and stuff.
• 15:36
  SPEAKER_04: So definitely everybody listening, please go back.
• 15:39
  SPEAKER_04: I think it was like episode three.
• 15:41
  SPEAKER_05: So I'm gonna have to do that too because I know I sent her my weird birds.
• 15:46
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, I'm like, well, if anybody can help me, it'd probably be the bird nerd, you know?
• 15:50
  SPEAKER_05: And she was like, Whoa, she's like, I have never seen anything like that.
• 15:54
  SPEAKER_05: I was like, oh man, not even the bird nerd can help me.
• 15:58
  SPEAKER_05: And it wasn't her, you know, her fault at all.
• 16:01
  SPEAKER_05: It's just yeah, I think nobody, it's probably just gonna end up being a mystery for the rest of my life.
• 16:06
  SPEAKER_05: And the first thing I ask God when I get up there, like, hey buddy, can you help me?
• 16:10
  SPEAKER_05: What was that?
• 16:11
  SPEAKER_05: What is this actual thing here?
• 16:13
  SPEAKER_05: That's what I'm gonna do.
• 16:13
  SPEAKER_05: I'm gonna show him my phone and say, I've been holding this for 80 years.
• 16:17
  SPEAKER_05: Tell me what it is, please.
• 16:19
  SPEAKER_05: And if he says it's a bird or a bug, I'm I'm gonna just throw the phone down.
• 16:25
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, so that's kind of like I think for now, like that was kind of you know, your kind of breaking story, like, right?
• 16:32
  SPEAKER_04: Like you kind of got some traction with that.
• 16:34
  SPEAKER_04: And then I just really loved your photography because it was it looked like you were going into like some really cool abandoned places.
• 16:41
  SPEAKER_04: So, do you wanna like kind of tie in, you know, because you've got a really cool story that you want to tell us.
• 16:46
  SPEAKER_04: So, do you want to just like take the floor and tell us about it?
• 16:49
  SPEAKER_05: Sure, yeah.
• 16:50
  SPEAKER_05: I can kind of tell you guys like how I even got into that whole um hobby, I guess you could call it.
• 16:57
  SPEAKER_05: Um, I started doing photography because I've always taken pictures like my entire life.
• 17:02
  SPEAKER_05: And at one point, I don't even know how old I was, I was probably like 18, but my one of my aunts was like, you either need to like make this a profession or you need to seek help because you take way too many pictures all the time.
• 17:16
  SPEAKER_05: And so I took her advice and I was like, okay, maybe I maybe I should try this.
• 17:20
  SPEAKER_05: So I got my first camera, and um, my cousin was wanting to have some pictures taken of her.
• 17:26
  SPEAKER_05: And so I was like, Well, where would you like to, you know, take pictures?
• 17:29
  SPEAKER_05: And she said, Well, I really like your graffiti and like your abandoned houses that you've been going to, you know, would you mind taking me with you?
• 17:36
  SPEAKER_05: And so I was like, Oh, absolutely.
• 17:38
  SPEAKER_05: So it was me, my husband at the time, and my cousin.
• 17:41
  SPEAKER_05: And we're down in this place called the West Bottoms.
• 17:43
  SPEAKER_05: It's in, it's actually the original um Kansas City, and it was flooded um in the early 1900s, and there was a lot of death, and then they moved the Kansas City up on the hill where it is now.
• 17:56
  SPEAKER_05: Um, but down in the West Bottoms, there's just graffiti, old buildings, and so I was like, that'll be a perfect place to take her.
• 18:03
  SPEAKER_05: So we're down there, and while we're down there, there's these two other gentlemen that were walking around, and they had cameras as well.
• 18:08
  SPEAKER_05: And they're like, hey, we're trying to get into this building over here, you know.
• 18:12
  SPEAKER_05: We know you're looking to go into a building too.
• 18:15
  SPEAKER_05: Um, if you don't mind, you know, we could take your number, and once we get inside and we know how to get in there, we'll call you.
• 18:20
  SPEAKER_05: And I was like, Oh, cool.
• 18:22
  SPEAKER_05: So we were with my husband at the time, so I didn't feel like we were in any danger or anything, but we start circling around this big huge building and we see these people waving in the window, and we're like, Oh, hey.
• 18:32
  SPEAKER_05: And then we're like, wait, that's that's not the same people that we just met.
• 18:36
  SPEAKER_05: And so I call him and I'm like, hey, um, there's people inside there, and he's like, There's other people in here, and I was like, Oh, you're not in there yet?
• 18:43
  SPEAKER_05: And he's like, No, I have no idea who those people are.
• 18:46
  SPEAKER_05: So there was a bunch of explorers that had gone in here.
• 18:48
  SPEAKER_05: But in meeting him, we found out that he had to like climb on these two gallon, eight like big gallon buckets and crawl through this window.
• 18:56
  SPEAKER_05: Well, I was eight months pregnant at the time, and I still didn't anyway.
• 19:00
  SPEAKER_05: We went in it was kind of crazy, but we ended up we go in there and take pictures, and I ended up just connecting with this guy and really just liked him as a person.
• 19:11
  SPEAKER_05: And he's like, you know, hey, I live in Minnesota, but um, if ever I'm down here and you want to go exploring in abandoned places, you know, I I'd love to do that.
• 19:18
  SPEAKER_05: And I was like, wow, and it's in a short story, we've been friends since probably 2014.
• 19:26
  SPEAKER_05: Um, he comes down here and visits when he can, and we've done he's the one that I went to the Missouri State Penitentiary with twice.
• 19:32
  SPEAKER_05: Um we actually we like we rented out and like um each person pays$80 and it's just whoever you want privately.
• 19:41
  SPEAKER_05: So we just like got our group together and went.
• 19:44
  SPEAKER_05: Um, but he's the one that really got me like into it and and understanding how I can navigate through it because I had no idea what I was doing, it's very unsafe.
• 19:55
  SPEAKER_05: Um I know you you probably know about the dress, the dress story, but I took something one time.
• 20:01
  SPEAKER_05: I should have never taken something from the house.
• 20:04
  SPEAKER_05: Um, but so I I started just like I said, just in the West Bottoms taking pictures of my cousins, and it it led me into just exploring all these different places.
• 20:14
  SPEAKER_05: And I would explore with him, but then there was points where I went by myself, and I did that for a while until I realized like it was so just unsafe that at any point in time I could fall through a floor, which I did, and you know, no one would be there to call 911 for me.
• 20:30
  SPEAKER_05: So it it was a learning lesson, and there was a lot of different places that I went that it could have gone really bad, and I'm so thankful that it didn't, but um, and I just warn anybody if you you know there's a lot of people that have been messaging me recently trying to ask for locations and stuff like that, and I just like to tell them, look, hey, it is very dangerous for one, just physically, but then I also know that I've ran into something inside of a home that I don't think was human, and it terrified me to the point where I literally picked up my suitcases that I brought with all my props, and I told whatever was in there, I am so sorry that I came in here and I am leaving.
• 21:13
  SPEAKER_05: And I immediately walked out of that house, like immediate like I had never had such like like just dread of like the only way I could describe it is I walk inside this house and it it clearly was very just abandoned and trashed, and there was um an archway to a living room, and there was uh some windows at the top of this house, and I really wanted to get up there, and I knew the only way to get there was probably through this living room and through a flight of stairs.
• 21:41
  SPEAKER_05: But over this archway there was a sheet that was tacked covering this, and it was pitch dark, and I just remember thinking, Okay, well, I gotta go past this sheet.
• 21:51
  SPEAKER_05: Well, when I went to go pull the sheet back, I just instant, instantly just was like something is looking at me and I can't.
• 22:00
  SPEAKER_05: See it, but it can see me, and it was in there somewhere.
• 22:03
  SPEAKER_05: And I did, I just shut the sheet and I immediately picked up my stuff, which it gets crazier after this.
• 22:09
  SPEAKER_05: But I I pick up my stuff and I immediately I run out and I tell the thing I'm so sorry, I'm leaving, and then I go, and there was this little like dilapidated barn across the street from where it parked by this house, and this lady drives by and she's screaming at the house, it's somebody in there, you better not be in there.
• 22:29
  SPEAKER_05: And I was like, I'm in this like ditch, and I'm like, uh ma'am, I'm over here.
• 22:35
  SPEAKER_05: And she was like, We're oh, I thought you were in my neighbor's house.
• 22:39
  SPEAKER_05: And I was like, somebody lives there, and she goes, Yeah, my neighbor.
• 22:44
  SPEAKER_05: And I was like, Well duh, lady.
• 22:46
  SPEAKER_05: But I was like, a human being lives inside of that place.
• 22:50
  SPEAKER_05: I was like, oh no, no.
• 22:52
  SPEAKER_05: I was like, whatever that thing is, it might you might think it's a person, but I'm gonna tell you right now, it was not a person.
• 23:00
  SPEAKER_05: Or whatever they have inside of there or they're keeping inside of there is not a person.
• 23:04
  SPEAKER_05: Um that was that was the that was the one incident where I knew, okay, this is extremely dangerous, extremely dangerous.
• 23:13
  SPEAKER_05: And I wasn't even into I mean, I've always been into cryptus and weird stuff and ghosts, but it was mainly like ghosts.
• 23:20
  SPEAKER_05: I never really thought about Bigfoot so much or Mothman um or any type of lizard people.
• 23:28
  SPEAKER_05: Like I just wasn't in that time, I just wasn't.
• 23:30
  SPEAKER_05: I was thinking abandoned houses, the only thing that can hurt me are probably I don't want to say hurt me, but the only thing that can bother me is probably spirits.
• 23:37
  SPEAKER_05: And I would do this thing where I would walk in and I would tell them, like, look, I'm just here to take pictures, I'm not here to destroy your property, you know, and I would try to like tell them why I was there, you know, so that maybe they wouldn't, you know, and I tell them, please don't come home with me, stuff like that.
• 23:54
  SPEAKER_05: But that particular instant, it's like I've had different types of experiences, but this is the one where it's like your body instinctively is telling you you need to immediately leave the area that you're in because you are in danger.
• 24:09
  SPEAKER_05: Like every part of my body knew this is not a safe place for you to be and you need to to get out.
• 24:14
  SPEAKER_05: And I did, and I I'm glad I listened to my instinct because yeah, Lord only knows what would have happened to me.
• 24:19
  SPEAKER_05: But um, yeah, that was that was pretty intense.
• 24:23
  SPEAKER_05: Um, and then there was another time where I was in a house that oh sorry.
• 24:26
  SPEAKER_04: Well, hang on, I just wanted to ask you.
• 24:28
  SPEAKER_04: So like when you're when you're kind of sussing out these properties, like are you in I mean at that time, like were you did you know for sure that they were abandoned?
• 24:37
  SPEAKER_04: Like, was it because like it was like uh so we have like REO properties, like just like properties where people have gotten foreclosed odd and then they have to move and then they leave everything?
• 24:46
  SPEAKER_04: Is it something like that, or is it just like certain areas that have devastation?
• 24:51
  SPEAKER_04: Like, can you explain why they're abandoned, if you know, or is it just kind of like it's like a known place that's got a history?
• 24:58
  SPEAKER_05: So this particular one I did not research, and that was my fault, and that's why I I I should be what I've done in research is that anyone can own a property, and if you are paying personal property tax on that house, the state cannot or the city can't do anything about it.
• 25:17
  SPEAKER_05: They can tell you to board up your windows if it's like accessible for people to get in and out of, but this particular house, there was no doors, and I don't know how to like you just walked in, like the garage had no door, the and there was just I've been in many abandoned places, and I've seen people who've like there was one house that I went into where there was a sinkhole in their living room, and everything was left in their home.
• 25:43
  SPEAKER_05: And I I was like assuming okay, it was probably because of the sinkhole in their living room because all of their stuff was still there.
• 25:49
  SPEAKER_05: Their closet was just full of clothes, um, dressers, just like everything was left.
• 25:54
  SPEAKER_05: It was that one was a weird one.
• 25:56
  SPEAKER_05: Um that's so sad.
• 25:58
  SPEAKER_05: This one, I mean, you could just tell like no one no one was like eating in the kitchen, like it would there was just junk everywhere, grossness everywhere.
• 26:08
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 26:09
  SPEAKER_05: But whatever was in the living room area, it seemed like that was like the area, and it was just pitch black.
• 26:16
  SPEAKER_05: Like every window was um, and I couldn't really tell because like I said, I hightailed it out of there, but you could tell that they had blocked the windows off inside that room because when I pulled the curtain back, there was no light whatsoever coming, so I couldn't even see where to get to, and like I said, I had that instant feeling of like I'm not supposed to be here, or I would have probably shined my light in there to see how to get to the stairs, but I was like, absolutely not, I'm not doing that, and I've had that feeling before, but I mean not as intense, but I think it's when I'm finding places where bad things have happened as well.
• 26:52
  SPEAKER_05: Um, but I don't think in that I think in that case something was in that house that didn't want me there.
• 26:58
  SPEAKER_05: Um, but I've had other places where I've gone, like there was a house where I went to and this one was abandoned.
• 27:05
  SPEAKER_05: Um, and I went up in the attic, and when I went up in the attic, I well first I couldn't even get myself to walk up the stairs.
• 27:12
  SPEAKER_05: I was too something was just telling me, like, don't go up the stairs, don't go upstairs.
• 27:16
  SPEAKER_05: And I don't know, I have this fear of like finding like a dead body in those places just because like people will find shelter.
• 27:23
  SPEAKER_05: And so that's one of my fears is like finding someone.
• 27:26
  SPEAKER_05: So I think that was like my biggest fear of like walking up there because it it was so old.
• 27:31
  SPEAKER_04: Like, I mean, they had a find like a body, yeah.
• 27:34
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, it that's just one of my fears, and I just don't.
• 27:38
  SPEAKER_05: I I hope I never do.
• 27:39
  SPEAKER_04: But when I went up, I don't I don't like like opening up dumpsters for that reason because I'm not afraid that there's gonna be like a dead body in there.
• 27:48
  SPEAKER_05: I have that fear with porta potties.
• 27:51
  SPEAKER_05: It sounds really stupid, but I don't know.
• 27:54
  SPEAKER_04: No, I get it.
• 27:55
  SPEAKER_04: It's like law and order, it probably because I wanted way too much.
• 28:00
  SPEAKER_04: They're down there.
• 28:01
  SPEAKER_01: And he took his mask.
• 28:06
  SPEAKER_04: The haunted port-a-pot.
• 28:08
  SPEAKER_04: Yes.
• 28:09
  SPEAKER_05: Well, it's funny because Tony from The Confessionals has this portal potty thing that he talks about, and I'm just like, okay, now you're making port-a potties even worse.
• 28:19
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 28:19
  SPEAKER_05: Now I really don't want to go in one.
• 28:21
  SPEAKER_05: No, no, but mm-mm.
• 28:23
  SPEAKER_05: But that particular that particular attic, I I knew something that was weird about it, but I couldn't pinpoint it.
• 28:30
  SPEAKER_05: And this girl was like, Hey, I love that house you went to.
• 28:34
  SPEAKER_05: You took some really cool pictures in there.
• 28:35
  SPEAKER_05: I I'd like to go back.
• 28:37
  SPEAKER_05: And uh, I was like, Okay, I'll I can take you there.
• 28:39
  SPEAKER_05: Um and so I did, and when we went there, we we took the TV.
• 28:45
  SPEAKER_05: There was a TV that was propping the door so it could close the door because the door was broken somehow, and so they had to shove this old TV up against the door, so like I said, the the city won't tell them that they need to board it up.
• 28:58
  SPEAKER_05: And so they had all this stuff in there.
• 28:59
  SPEAKER_05: They had a lamp, they had a picture, they had the TV.
• 29:03
  SPEAKER_05: So we took all these things and we rearranged them and we made this picture, and she's sitting on this TV and everything was going good.
• 29:11
  SPEAKER_05: And then I was like, Okay, I want to show you guys the attic.
• 29:14
  SPEAKER_05: The attic's like really creepy, you guys gotta come up here and see this.
• 29:16
  SPEAKER_05: And I was like, There's this particular room up here, and my my camera wouldn't take pictures in this one room, it's just the only room that's up there, it's it's not a closet, but it's a small room.
• 29:28
  SPEAKER_05: And the guy goes, Oh, look, he's like, There's a little cutout, and he's like, I could probably fit through there, and I was like, Why would you do that?
• 29:37
  SPEAKER_05: And he did.
• 29:39
  SPEAKER_05: He climbs in this hole, and when he climbs in the hole, it's silent for a while.
• 29:44
  SPEAKER_05: And his girlfriend's like, What are you doing?
• 29:47
  SPEAKER_05: And then I hear him open a door and I hear him close it, and then I hear him open another door and close it, and he said, Oh my god, he goes, There's like 10 rooms in here, and I was like, What?
• 30:00
  SPEAKER_05: There was no way to access this part of the house unless you went inside that hole.
• 30:06
  SPEAKER_05: And like I said, my camera would not take pictures in this room, no matter if we shine light on something, it did not matter.
• 30:13
  SPEAKER_05: And I've had this happen before at another haunted location, and I knew like something was weird about that because I was just like, This my camera worked everywhere else up here, but in this particular room, it would not let me take pictures.
• 30:26
  SPEAKER_05: And then he said, Every single room is empty, but one.
• 30:30
  SPEAKER_05: He said, This one has Christmas decorations in it.
• 30:32
  SPEAKER_05: He goes, but what I'm not understanding, he goes, Why is there 10 rooms?
• 30:37
  SPEAKER_05: Who who was in these rooms?
• 30:39
  SPEAKER_05: Why were these rooms made?
• 30:41
  SPEAKER_05: And it was a very old house.
• 30:42
  SPEAKER_05: I mean, super old house.
• 30:44
  SPEAKER_05: Um then the weird part is is when I was exploring that place by myself, there was some big like butler buildings behind it, two of them.
• 30:54
  SPEAKER_05: And when I went in one of them, there was this huge cross.
• 30:57
  SPEAKER_05: I mean, the cross had to have been almost as tall as the butler building.
• 31:00
  SPEAKER_05: Like it was like just huge.
• 31:03
  SPEAKER_05: I mean, just huge.
• 31:04
  SPEAKER_05: And so I'm like thinking, okay, like religion, but then I'm like the and then I thought about the ten rooms, and I just thought, okay, maybe something really sinister went on here because Or like a monastery or something like that.
• 31:17
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 31:18
  SPEAKER_04: I mean, that's where my mind goes, but like it's hard when you don't see.
• 31:22
  SPEAKER_04: I'm just trying to like get my mind around.
• 31:24
  SPEAKER_04: So you guys were in the attic?
• 31:26
  SPEAKER_04: Correct.
• 31:27
  SPEAKER_04: And so in the attic, and then there was a hole.
• 31:30
  SPEAKER_05: It was made that way though.
• 31:33
  SPEAKER_05: Because when I I think I might have sent you, and if I haven't, I'll send it to you.
• 31:37
  SPEAKER_05: But there's a picture where there's like an A-frame type window, and you could see two holes in those walls, and those two holes led to an L.
• 31:48
  SPEAKER_05: You could go inside of them from the hole as well.
• 31:50
  SPEAKER_05: It was an L.
• 31:52
  SPEAKER_05: But then when you go, when you turn around from where the window is, there was a room, and it had it, it had the same type of hole.
• 31:59
  SPEAKER_05: And like I said, I I wouldn't have thought to I myself would have not crawled in there.
• 32:04
  SPEAKER_05: But he was like, Oh yeah, I'll crawl in there.
• 32:06
  SPEAKER_05: And then he did.
• 32:07
  SPEAKER_05: He said it he said it walked around in a U shape.
• 32:10
  SPEAKER_05: It was basically like a U-shape, and he said he was on like a plank.
• 32:13
  SPEAKER_05: Like he said, the it was just a wood plank that led him to each room.
• 32:18
  SPEAKER_05: And he said he went around a U and he opened every single door, and he said, Like I said, all the rooms were empty except for one room.
• 32:25
  SPEAKER_05: And there's a person who wrote like Christmas of 72 or something like that on that attic wall by the window.
• 32:35
  SPEAKER_05: So I'm assuming that the last people that that lived there or whatever, those were their Christmas decorations.
• 32:41
  SPEAKER_05: But after they knew that we were inside that house and that we had moved that TV, which is interesting to me to think that maybe the door moved, I'm not a hundred percent sure, but that meant someone was checking that place pretty frequently because they immediately tore it down after we went in there the second time.
• 33:03
  SPEAKER_05: Like a week later, they tore it down.
• 33:06
  SPEAKER_04: Have you ever spent time like going through the history and trying to like pull tax records, things like that, to see like to get a better understanding of like what the land was either used for or like what like the history of the land or the house?
• 33:20
  SPEAKER_05: That one I did not.
• 33:22
  SPEAKER_05: Like I said, remember when I told you that like my friend Robert kind of helped me?
• 33:26
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 33:26
  SPEAKER_05: This was like in my early times, and he was up in Minnesota, and I was like so into it, I didn't want to stop doing it.
• 33:33
  SPEAKER_05: So I just ended up being free willy-nelly and just doing these things and and having consequences for them, honestly.
• 33:40
  SPEAKER_05: Sure.
• 33:40
  SPEAKER_05: And yeah, it that's really what it was.
• 33:43
  SPEAKER_04: It would be interesting to see like what I mean, that's just such a strange mapping.
• 33:46
  SPEAKER_04: I mean, my mom's a real estate agent, so I I spend a lot of time going into like really crappy, junky houses, you know, that should be condemned.
• 33:55
  SPEAKER_04: Um and I'm just trying to wrap my head around why you would have like, you know, what it could look like, what it could have been.
• 34:03
  SPEAKER_04: Um and I work in a ha a building, I I'm like a caregiver for an elderly couple, and their building is crazy.
• 34:11
  SPEAKER_04: Like it looks just like and it has like these like crazy maids quarters and stuff like that on the fifth floor.
• 34:18
  SPEAKER_04: And if you didn't have a context for what that was, you would be like, Why are there 30 rooms in this attic?
• 34:25
  SPEAKER_04: Like, so I can kind of like picture that in my mind.
• 34:28
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, so like if you don't understand what the building is.
• 34:31
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 34:32
  SPEAKER_04: Because a lot of the times, like, depending upon how old, like this building particularly is like I think it was built in 1910.
• 34:39
  SPEAKER_04: Um, and so it it was originally like apartments, like high-end apartments, and then they had like maids quarters in the on the fifth floor.
• 34:49
  SPEAKER_04: That I mean, there is like you know, as big as like a closet, really, you know, it's not like a big super room, but there's like 35 little doors that go into like the maze rooms.
• 35:01
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 35:02
  SPEAKER_05: It is out in the it was out in the country and it it did have a like there was a lot of land around it.
• 35:08
  SPEAKER_05: Um it just puzzled me that whoever was going in those rooms had to crawl through that hole.
• 35:15
  SPEAKER_05: Like I I just thought that was just as strange and to begin with.
• 35:20
  SPEAKER_05: Because someone's like, yeah, they had to have accessed it somewhere in the in the house.
• 35:24
  SPEAKER_05: And I said, There and I look, I went, like I said, for the first time by myself and went through every room.
• 35:29
  SPEAKER_05: There was no basement.
• 35:31
  SPEAKER_05: So I mean, could it have been storage?
• 35:33
  SPEAKER_05: But it's like someone had to have designed and built it that specific way, and how like why would you have a bunch of rooms that is so hard to access?
• 35:43
  SPEAKER_04: Like that's in the set and even in the 70s, like if you were using it as storage, why would you go through all that rigmarole to put the Christmas decorations?
• 35:51
  SPEAKER_04: You know what I mean?
• 35:52
  SPEAKER_04: Like, yeah, yeah, that was confusing to me.
• 35:55
  SPEAKER_04: In the haunted corridor, like just put them in the attic.
• 35:59
  SPEAKER_03: Like that's crazy.
• 36:01
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, they're foster kids.
• 36:04
  SPEAKER_05: I know I kind of thought something crazy like that.
• 36:09
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 36:09
  SPEAKER_05: That was the thought of honestly what I thought of.
• 36:16
  SPEAKER_04: Get in the attic.
• 36:17
  SPEAKER_04: Oliver twist.
• 36:21
  SPEAKER_04: But you never know.
• 36:22
  SPEAKER_04: I mean, that's the the sad, like, creepy thing.
• 36:24
  SPEAKER_04: Like, you just kind of don't know.
• 36:26
  SPEAKER_04: And I think a lot of those things do end up feeling more creepy for us, but being there on the ground and and and experiencing something's telling you don't go up there.
• 36:36
  SPEAKER_04: Because you're gonna have that instinct, like you said, you know, something in your body and your in your spirit definitely is gonna be like, I should probably not be messing around in this place.
• 36:46
  SPEAKER_05: Um yeah, that's what I try to explain to people.
• 36:49
  SPEAKER_05: I've been I've been in the dungeon at the Missouri State Penitentiary, and I did not have the same feeling that I did when I was in that house when I pulled that sheet back or standing at the bottom of those that attic stairs.
• 37:01
  SPEAKER_05: Like, I know I've been in some really dark places and and actually felt sounds crazy, but felt like a comfort.
• 37:09
  SPEAKER_05: Um but I feel like the energy energy interacts with me differently.
• 37:14
  SPEAKER_05: So um, and when I'm by myself too, I feel like I feel a lot, I feel a lot more because there's not as many other people to for them to like interact with.
• 37:25
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 37:25
  SPEAKER_05: So when I am isolated, I feel like they I have more of a feeling for my like instincts, I guess.
• 37:34
  SPEAKER_05: Uh when you're with a group of people, you're more willing, I feel like, to just do and go.
• 37:39
  SPEAKER_05: But if you're by yourself, you're just hearing your own self think about what you should do and what you shouldn't do, you know.
• 37:45
  SPEAKER_05: Um and you stop, I think, a little bit more and think about your choices.
• 37:51
  SPEAKER_05: And I I definitely um have felt that in many places.
• 37:55
  SPEAKER_05: I mean, we went to a place called Oddfellows, um, it's very similar to the Freemasons.
• 38:02
  SPEAKER_05: Um yeah, that's right.
• 38:04
  SPEAKER_04: Iron type of concept.
• 38:07
  SPEAKER_05: So the Oddfellows is very, very crazy.
• 38:11
  SPEAKER_05: We have a a place, it has about four or five different buildings, and one of them's been redone.
• 38:17
  SPEAKER_05: The top part is a hotel.
• 38:19
  SPEAKER_05: Zach Bagan's and the ghost um adventures, they actually helped remodel part of the upstairs there.
• 38:26
  SPEAKER_05: And they have so like I said, the hotel at the top for like weddings, it's actually like a bridal suite, and they have people, they have people leave in the middle of the night every night.
• 38:37
  SPEAKER_05: No, every week they're posting on their thing.
• 38:40
  SPEAKER_05: Uh, and it was the the orphanage where the children were, so they hear children's voices and and laughing, and they have all kinds of stuff, and then the middle five.
• 38:50
  SPEAKER_04: Why were we starting our our wedding with a cursed covenant of the of the orphan children?
• 38:55
  SPEAKER_04: Like that is not the best idea.
• 38:57
  SPEAKER_05: They love it out there, they do.
• 38:59
  SPEAKER_05: Um my experiences there, personally, I wouldn't have my wedding, but that's just me.
• 39:05
  SPEAKER_05: But there's like a winery that they have, and when you go in there, you can just go in there and just hang out.
• 39:11
  SPEAKER_05: And my kids actually really like going there, my four-year-old, particularly.
• 39:15
  SPEAKER_05: I know this sounds weird, but they had a a member who was placed inside the wall.
• 39:22
  SPEAKER_05: They used to put people inside of the wall, like their bodies.
• 39:25
  SPEAKER_05: Um wow.
• 39:26
  SPEAKER_05: I don't know why, but that was just like a tradition that they would do.
• 39:29
  SPEAKER_05: And so there's this guy named George, who's in a box.
• 39:32
  SPEAKER_05: Well, he's in like a coffin, and they have him on display in a room with all the creepy weird stuff they found in the walls.
• 39:40
  SPEAKER_05: Like they have a like a book, Oddfellows, like guidebook for people.
• 39:45
  SPEAKER_05: Um, I would really love to read it, but they'd probably never let me touch it.
• 39:48
  SPEAKER_05: They have all their weird like masks when they would do their rituals.
• 39:51
  SPEAKER_05: Um crazy.
• 39:53
  SPEAKER_05: So we go there to see George sometimes, but I've actually done a ghost.
• 39:58
  SPEAKER_05: Um, I signed up for it by myself.
• 40:00
  SPEAKER_05: Everybody had like their their partner or their mom or somebody with them, but I went and just experienced it by myself, and I we had some pretty crazy experiences out there, but um that that place in particular, um I I can't stop going back there.
• 40:17
  SPEAKER_05: It's almost like my my like soul gets called there all the time.
• 40:21
  SPEAKER_05: But when me and my friend that I had met in Minnesota went there one time with two other gentlemen, um everything seemed fine.
• 40:28
  SPEAKER_05: I never researched, and you said, you know, do you research the stuff?
• 40:32
  SPEAKER_05: I never research things.
• 40:33
  SPEAKER_05: I usually like to go in like at the Missouri State Penitentiary, I did I look up nothing because I just wanted to to just have my experience and and then research after.
• 40:44
  SPEAKER_05: And same thing at Oddfellows.
• 40:46
  SPEAKER_05: I was like, I'm not gonna research.
• 40:47
  SPEAKER_05: Well, when I went back and watched Zach Biggins' episode on it, I was like, Oh my god, well, no wonder we had such a horrible time in that building.
• 40:56
  SPEAKER_05: I said, That's the old folks' home, and they had a horrible time.
• 41:00
  SPEAKER_05: They those spirits do not like you there.
• 41:03
  SPEAKER_05: Um the owner I heard is actually terrified to actually tear down those buildings, they're really dilapidated, but he's afraid if he tears them down that those things are gonna come into the the hotel part where the children are, and I'm like we already have the ghosts of the children.
• 41:19
  SPEAKER_05: I mean, but the ones in the the nursing home section, yeah.
• 41:24
  SPEAKER_05: So at one point in time it was turned into a haunted house, and there's a whole area in there, it's like a bathroom type area, and it's just blood is spattered everywhere.
• 41:36
  SPEAKER_05: I mean, I was horrified when we walked in at first, and Robert's like, No, it's okay, this used to be a haunted house.
• 41:42
  SPEAKER_05: And I was like, Are you sure?
• 41:43
  SPEAKER_05: Because like I said, I didn't do any research, so I'm like, Where are we?
• 41:47
  SPEAKER_05: Like, this is really scary.
• 41:50
  SPEAKER_05: That's crazy.
• 41:51
  SPEAKER_05: We're going through, like I said, there's blood everywhere.
• 41:53
  SPEAKER_05: Glass, glass.
• 41:55
  SPEAKER_05: Like people had gone through and just and I hate, I I do not like that.
• 41:59
  SPEAKER_05: Like, if you are an explorer, do not break things.
• 42:02
  SPEAKER_05: Like, things can be re like things can be redone and made over.
• 42:07
  SPEAKER_05: And the more you mess up their property, the harder it is for these people to get their properties, you know, to a good place.
• 42:15
  SPEAKER_05: So please do not destroy property.
• 42:17
  SPEAKER_05: Like, that's that's the most childish thing that you can do.
• 42:20
  SPEAKER_05: Because it's like it's not your things, so you don't care.
• 42:22
  SPEAKER_05: But someone is still paying personal property tax, and they might want to flip that place and like actually use it, so just be respectful.
• 42:29
  SPEAKER_05: But like I said, there's just glass everywhere.
• 42:32
  SPEAKER_05: And we get to this particular room, and there was a window where light was coming in, and there was this toddler bed.
• 42:37
  SPEAKER_05: We'd already been taking weird pictures, we weren't supposed to be there, we did not have permission, unfortunately, that time.
• 42:44
  SPEAKER_05: But my my friend's like, we have to go into this place, and I think because we didn't have permission, uh, that's why the ghosts were like, Yeah, you didn't have permission, you need to leave.
• 42:54
  SPEAKER_05: And they made sure of that.
• 42:56
  SPEAKER_05: Like, we're taking these pictures.
• 42:58
  SPEAKER_05: My friend has his clown mask on, and it's really creepy, and he's like on this toddler bed, and it was all bad to begin with, but my camera stops working, and then Robert's camera stops working.
• 43:09
  SPEAKER_05: Well, Jeremy's kept working, and Jeremy actually got a picture of him, like, has got his hands like through the railing, and like it's really creepy.
• 43:18
  SPEAKER_05: But as he's taking these pictures, I just start hearing like, get out, you do not belong here.
• 43:25
  SPEAKER_05: Get out, you do not have permission, you're not supposed to be here.
• 43:30
  SPEAKER_05: And I just was like, We have to go, like, we have to go.
• 43:34
  SPEAKER_05: And then I black out, and I don't even remember us walking out of of the building.
• 43:39
  SPEAKER_04: And hang on, Alex, though, so you just kind of froze for a little bit when you were telling that.
• 43:43
  SPEAKER_04: So can you no, you're good now, but like, so when you heard that voice, like, did it sound was it more like was it audible or was it like in your spirit?
• 43:54
  SPEAKER_04: It was just like get out of here.
• 43:56
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, they were telling us like you don't you're you don't have permission.
• 44:00
  SPEAKER_05: To be here, and they were kids, like they were not happy.
• 44:04
  SPEAKER_05: And so when we finally get out, there was another building that we could have gone into that had more weird stuff.
• 44:10
  SPEAKER_05: And I just remember Robert and Aaron.
• 44:14
  SPEAKER_05: Well, Aaron starts walking ahead, and Robert's like, You guys coming?
• 44:17
  SPEAKER_05: And I looked at Jeremy, and Jeremy looked at me, and I was like, uh, I think we're good.
• 44:23
  SPEAKER_05: You guys can go into that one.
• 44:24
  SPEAKER_05: And he didn't even say, and he's this grown man taller than me, you know, and he was he just we just knew instinct that we didn't even have to say anything.
• 44:32
  SPEAKER_05: I was just like, I was like, I was gonna be the baby and sit out, but this guy's sitting out, then I'm definitely not going in there.
• 44:40
  SPEAKER_05: And then when they go in there, Aaron said there was this couch and all this weird graffiti all over the walls, and he's like, Robert had me laying on this couch, and he was like, I thought you guys were right behind us.
• 44:48
  SPEAKER_05: And I was like, dude, no, not after what just happened in that other room, and I don't even know what happened, but we're not supposed to be here, dude.
• 44:56
  SPEAKER_05: And they're like, We know we're trespassing.
• 44:57
  SPEAKER_05: I'm like, no, like the ghosts are not happy that we're here.
• 45:01
  SPEAKER_05: And like I said, I went back and watched the the ghost adventures thing, and and that was the room they had the most problems in was the like the nursing home type area building.
• 45:11
  SPEAKER_05: And I was like, well, no wonder.
• 45:12
  SPEAKER_05: Like we were supposed to be there for one, and they knew that, and they didn't, they they did their best to get us out of there for sure.
• 45:20
  SPEAKER_05: Cause um, I like I said, I've had that feeling before.
• 45:24
  SPEAKER_05: Um, I've even had that feeling out in the woods with just hey, you're not supposed to be here, this isn't a good time.
• 45:31
  SPEAKER_05: We're doing things, and you need to leave.
• 45:34
  SPEAKER_05: And sometimes I listen to those, and sometimes I don't, and I'm so thankful for the times that I do because I I've been told that I should have somebody uh do like a deliverance on me or something because they said that all the times I've been going to these places and I've not been protecting myself, that I've just like collected hitchhikers, and yeah, they said that I should look into that.
• 45:59
  SPEAKER_05: That was actually an exorcism priest who told me that.
• 46:02
  SPEAKER_05: Um I didn't even like give him anything.
• 46:06
  SPEAKER_05: He just said, I can tell you have like multiple people who have like thought it was okay to come home with you.
• 46:12
  SPEAKER_05: He's like and at that time this was like in my like peak of like me and like the exploring, and it was hard for me to be like, Do I believe this guy?
• 46:22
  SPEAKER_05: I wasn't really into God at that time.
• 46:24
  SPEAKER_05: I mean, I believed in God and I just didn't have a relationship with him.
• 46:28
  SPEAKER_05: And so at that time I'm like, what does this guy know?
• 46:31
  SPEAKER_05: Like, whatever.
• 46:32
  SPEAKER_05: And then just so and then soon after that, it's when I took the dress, and then all that stuff started happening.
• 46:40
  SPEAKER_05: And then I was are you still in possession of the dress?
• 46:44
  SPEAKER_05: No, I actually went back to the historical society where it was at to see if they had it, and it wasn't being displayed in the room, but I also just left it there on the porch, and like I said, the lady died, and I kind of blame myself for that.
• 46:59
  SPEAKER_05: I I'm trying not to, I'm trying to forgive myself on that, but um what that she died?
• 47:05
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 47:06
  SPEAKER_04: Oh, that's not your fault.
• 47:08
  SPEAKER_05: I know, but it was like three months after I gave her that dress, and it was um I didn't tell her about it, I just left it there because I didn't know what to do about it.
• 47:18
  SPEAKER_05: I felt really bad, but like the weird part is like, okay, I take this dress and I didn't know what I was doing.
• 47:26
  SPEAKER_05: And the guy who was tearing down the house was a a contractor, and all the people in my town wanted to know what was inside this house.
• 47:35
  SPEAKER_05: It had been abandoned since like 1969.
• 47:38
  SPEAKER_05: And so I reached out to him and was like, hey, I'd love to take pictures if you wouldn't mind before you like tear the house down.
• 47:44
  SPEAKER_05: Well, he never messaged me back, but he posted on like a community awareness page and was like, Hey, if anyone wants to come to the house, we're selling things at garage sale prices.
• 47:55
  SPEAKER_05: You can take whatever you want, um, yada yada yada.
• 47:58
  SPEAKER_05: So I'm like, great, that I can get in and take pictures at least.
• 48:01
  SPEAKER_05: I don't want anything, but I was like, I'll go take pictures.
• 48:04
  SPEAKER_05: Well, when I get there, the guy was like, Hey, if you're interested in any of the wood, all the wood's gone.
• 48:11
  SPEAKER_05: And I was like, I don't want any wood, but it was like banisters or like stuff.
• 48:17
  SPEAKER_04: So feel real bad for whoever took those because it's worth money, actually.
• 48:22
  SPEAKER_04: Like you'd be surprised, but yeah.
• 48:23
  SPEAKER_05: But that's kind of why he said that, like, hey, all that's taken.
• 48:27
  SPEAKER_05: And I'm like, Well, I'm just here to take pictures.
• 48:29
  SPEAKER_05: And the house was like really sad, like I could just feel like it was just sad, like the whole house just felt heavy and sad and like really thick, and I took a lot of really great pictures, but whatever reason these dress patterns were like calling to me, and like I showed you, I sent you that picture of like all of them on the floor with like my shoes, like.
• 48:48
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, but I couldn't make out what they were.
• 48:50
  SPEAKER_04: Can you explain to the audience like what because you've told this story like multiple times?
• 48:55
  SPEAKER_04: So I when you sent me that picture, I couldn't like I guess.
• 48:59
  SPEAKER_04: Do you have like a do you have an Apple phone?
• 49:02
  SPEAKER_04: I do, yes.
• 49:02
  SPEAKER_04: Okay, so I have an Android, so like we're that's we're we're those friend of we're frenemies because I can't like see some of your pictures.
• 49:10
  SPEAKER_04: I can see the ones on IG.
• 49:12
  SPEAKER_04: So um, can you just explain the pattern?
• 49:16
  SPEAKER_04: Because I was listening to this, like I said, the story, you're kind of this is like your sort of trending story now.
• 49:21
  SPEAKER_04: Um, because everybody wants to hear about like a haunted dress because it's like new and fresh, but unfortunately, it doesn't sound like something that you know you're exactly happy about, you know, like the experience wise.
• 49:35
  SPEAKER_04: So can you just like explain what is on the pattern?
• 49:38
  SPEAKER_04: Because the pattern seems significant.
• 49:41
  SPEAKER_05: It is extremely significant.
• 49:42
  SPEAKER_05: When I when I found it, it was hanging in this closet.
• 49:46
  SPEAKER_05: And I've not shared this part of the story.
• 49:49
  SPEAKER_05: This is the first time I've shared this part because it's just like I don't know.
• 49:54
  SPEAKER_05: I don't know what I was thinking in the moment, but as soon as I saw it and I picked it up and I saw how big it was, I was like, ooh, this is a really creepy dress that I could have one of my kids wear.
• 50:06
  SPEAKER_05: Because at the time one of my children was about that size, and I was like, this is someone made this dress.
• 50:12
  SPEAKER_05: Like, this is a this is a homemade dress, like this is not a dress that anyone could just go out and buy.
• 50:18
  SPEAKER_05: And I didn't look at the pattern at first, I just saw that it was a child-sized dress, and I was like, wow, I really like that.
• 50:25
  SPEAKER_05: And I liked I liked the patterns that that I found.
• 50:28
  SPEAKER_05: There was like packets of patterns, and you could tell that that person who lived there made all these clothing for their child and for themselves, I'm sure.
• 50:38
  SPEAKER_05: So when I get home though, and I'm looking at the pattern, I'm like, what the heck?
• 50:43
  SPEAKER_05: And you know, like I said, I bought it and I came home and it's in this grocery sack, and I pull it out, and at first I just see this car, and the car's driving away, and it's like leaving these two people in the dust, and then I see the mom, and the mom looks like she's upset at the car, and then the child almost looks like they're upset and crying.
• 51:04
  SPEAKER_05: But it it it's clear that these two people are standing here, and this car is driving away from them, um, and they're in distress, but that's the whole pattern.
• 51:15
  SPEAKER_05: That is the whole pattern, and it's multiple all over this dress.
• 51:19
  SPEAKER_05: Like it's I don't know how they explain it, but it was just odd.
• 51:24
  SPEAKER_04: And I and I don't know what it would I don't know anything about pattern or dressmaking.
• 51:28
  SPEAKER_04: I mean, I know like I know those packets like in the 80s, we would see that stuff all the time.
• 51:33
  SPEAKER_04: Like, and my I would go to like fabric store with my nana and see all that, like so.
• 51:37
  SPEAKER_04: I know, but I don't know how you like make that, but that is absolutely an intentional.
• 51:42
  SPEAKER_04: That's what I want to know.
• 51:43
  SPEAKER_05: I want to know how she made that pattern to put on it.
• 51:47
  SPEAKER_05: Like, how does that how did you put it on there?
• 51:49
  SPEAKER_05: Like, and so I had this dress, and like I said, I I brought the pattern, I bought the patterns.
• 51:55
  SPEAKER_05: Well, I had put it in the sack, and then I took it in my room.
• 51:59
  SPEAKER_05: And I told us before, but I was living living with someone, but we weren't we were separated and we weren't sleeping in the same room.
• 52:07
  SPEAKER_05: And so I had clothes on my floor, and eventually that dress had gotten underneath those clothes, and for about a week I had been walking on that dress, like just stepping on it unknowingly.
• 52:19
  SPEAKER_05: And so then I had a dream that I'm at this historical society, and I'm sitting, I'm sitting on the toilet in this bathroom, and when I'm sitting on the toilet, I could the the door shut and I could see on the door there's a dress hanging.
• 52:33
  SPEAKER_05: It's just this white dress.
• 52:34
  SPEAKER_05: It was a big white dress, it wasn't the same dress, but in my head I knew it was that dress.
• 52:39
  SPEAKER_05: Um, and I'm just sitting there just staring at this dress, and then the dress comes up off the hook and it comes flying at me and it covers my face and it covers me and it starts attacking me.
• 52:50
  SPEAKER_05: And I wake up and I'm like freaking out, and then I was like, Where is the dress?
• 52:55
  SPEAKER_05: Oh my god, the dress, where's the dress?
• 52:57
  SPEAKER_05: And I and I was like, Where and then I find it and I was like, Oh my gosh, I've been like disrespecting this dress.
• 53:03
  SPEAKER_05: Oh no, I was like, This is not good.
• 53:05
  SPEAKER_05: Oh my gosh.
• 53:06
  SPEAKER_05: I was like, okay, this is bad.
• 53:08
  SPEAKER_05: And then eventually after that, then I started seeing the shadow figures.
• 53:13
  SPEAKER_05: Um the door started opening and closing on their own.
• 53:17
  SPEAKER_05: Um in my particular room.
• 53:19
  SPEAKER_05: In your room, yeah, in my room.
• 53:21
  SPEAKER_05: Um so like I would see this shadow figure, and then three days after I would see it, my my son would see it, and he didn't know about it.
• 53:32
  SPEAKER_05: He had no idea about any of it.
• 53:34
  SPEAKER_05: It was just me and my ex-husband at the time that were living there with him and and his younger sister, but we never told them anything about it.
• 53:41
  SPEAKER_04: Was this recent or was this like in the distant past?
• 53:44
  SPEAKER_05: This is in the distant past, yeah.
• 53:46
  SPEAKER_05: Okay, like 2016 or 17.
• 53:49
  SPEAKER_05: I can't remember.
• 53:50
  SPEAKER_04: Are you still living in the same property?
• 53:53
  SPEAKER_05: No.
• 53:54
  SPEAKER_05: Okay.
• 53:54
  SPEAKER_05: But my my daughters and her their dad do.
• 53:58
  SPEAKER_05: And my my daughter actually just told me the other day, I hear someone say my name and I hear heavy breathing in my room.
• 54:06
  SPEAKER_05: And so I text her dad, and I told her that literally just two days ago, I text him, and he goes, Oh, that's funny, because Arya never sleeps in her room.
• 54:13
  SPEAKER_05: And I and I'm like, Okay, well, she didn't say it happened recently.
• 54:16
  SPEAKER_05: I think that's why she's sleeping in your room because she keeps hearing well his grandparents or sorry, yeah, his grandparents lived there and owned the home.
• 54:26
  SPEAKER_05: And then he um they passed away and and he lives there and has been the only person that's been living there since.
• 54:34
  SPEAKER_05: And um when this dress pro this incident happened, um like I said, I had all these things happen.
• 54:42
  SPEAKER_05: We kept seeing the shadow figure going up and down the stairs as well, and my son would see it three days to the to the day he would see it.
• 54:49
  SPEAKER_05: And so just one day I call Robert and I'm like, dude, I don't know what to do.
• 54:54
  SPEAKER_05: I took this dress from this house and like all this stuff is happening, and he was like, Oh my gosh, Alex, why did you do that?
• 55:01
  SPEAKER_05: You're never supposed to do that.
• 55:02
  SPEAKER_05: That's rule number one.
• 55:03
  SPEAKER_05: You don't take things.
• 55:04
  SPEAKER_05: Like I said, I was in the beginning of like just like being addicted to going to all these places and just not even thinking about what I was doing.
• 55:12
  SPEAKER_05: I was just doing because that's what I do.
• 55:14
  SPEAKER_05: I don't plan things, I just do.
• 55:16
  SPEAKER_05: And there that there's always consequences for that, but it sometimes it's good and sometimes it's not.
• 55:24
  SPEAKER_05: But I I just I reached out to him and he's like, Okay, well, is the house still there?
• 55:29
  SPEAKER_05: I said, No, they tore it down.
• 55:31
  SPEAKER_05: He's like, Okay, well, you can't go back there and you can't take it back, so you're gonna have to do something.
• 55:36
  SPEAKER_05: And he's like, And what you're gonna have to do is you're gonna have to tell this thing, you do not belong here, this is not your place, you need to leave, and I'm going to take you somewhere.
• 55:46
  SPEAKER_05: And so that's essentially what I did.
• 55:50
  SPEAKER_05: Um, and the lady who worked at the historical society, she lives there.
• 55:56
  SPEAKER_05: Like that's what that's what they do.
• 55:58
  SPEAKER_05: Like in this particular town, it's called Richmond, and it's Richmond, Missouri, and it's a really, really cool historical society.
• 56:05
  SPEAKER_05: Like they have at that time they had like 50 rooms.
• 56:08
  SPEAKER_05: I think it's now down to like 35, but they have multiple rooms in this place, and it's like World War One, World War II, Native American um dresses, um, just anything from surrounding counties that is historical, they collect those things.
• 56:25
  SPEAKER_05: So it'll be like from such and such family donated by so and so.
• 56:30
  SPEAKER_05: So I was like, this is the place.
• 56:32
  SPEAKER_05: I had the dream about the dress, like that's what need that's where it needs to go.
• 56:36
  SPEAKER_05: I was like, that's my best bet is to just take this dress there.
• 56:39
  SPEAKER_04: Right.
• 56:40
  SPEAKER_05: Well, I thought she would be there and she wasn't, and it wasn't like a super long drive, but from Lawson to Richmond, it's like 30 minutes or so.
• 56:47
  SPEAKER_05: So me driving out there at that time, I didn't have a lot of money.
• 56:51
  SPEAKER_05: It was like a lot for me to go out there.
• 56:53
  SPEAKER_05: So I couldn't really like just like turn back around.
• 56:56
  SPEAKER_05: I didn't want to keep it.
• 56:57
  SPEAKER_05: Um, and like a little backstory.
• 56:59
  SPEAKER_05: I had been there a couple times, I loved that place.
• 57:02
  SPEAKER_05: I had kind of developed a relationship with this lady, and she'd always expressed like she never understood why ghost people came there and like why they do ghost hunts.
• 57:12
  SPEAKER_05: And and she asked me one time, like, why do you think these people think this place is haunted?
• 57:16
  SPEAKER_05: And I said, Well, ma'am, you have like over a hundred thousand artifacts, and in that time, yeah, people didn't have much, and what you have is probably the only things that they had, and they probably are attached to them.
• 57:28
  SPEAKER_05: And you know, you have a lot of things with war and Native Americans, and um, she just says, Well, nothing ever bothers me, and I don't I don't ever have any problems, and I live here, and she's like, So I don't know what these people are even talking about.
• 57:42
  SPEAKER_05: And so we were kind of like complete opposites, but it was almost like God was like, She needs to meet you and you need to meet her so that you guys can have this like connection.
• 57:51
  SPEAKER_05: And so in my head, I thought, okay, this will be a good place for it to go.
• 57:55
  SPEAKER_05: And I'm like, and this lady doesn't even believe in this stuff, so even if I were to tell her, she'd be like, Okay, whatever, you know, and not even I don't even think she would have blinked an eye, like honestly.
• 58:05
  SPEAKER_05: And so I'm like, okay, this is the best place for it to go.
• 58:08
  SPEAKER_05: So I didn't want to go back because I just was like, I just I don't want to go back.
• 58:13
  SPEAKER_05: I I I have that dress there.
• 58:15
  SPEAKER_05: That was actually the first time I went back, like two weeks ago, because I did that let's talk about podcast, and I was like, Yeah, if I'm gonna tell this story, then I have to have the the balls enough to go back and see if that dress is still there.
• 58:26
  SPEAKER_04: Is it there?
• 58:27
  SPEAKER_05: And um my kids do not like that place at all.
• 58:31
  SPEAKER_05: Like the the basement, I think that's where the dress is.
• 58:33
  SPEAKER_05: I think it's in the basement.
• 58:34
  SPEAKER_05: They probably put it down there, she probably put it down there.
• 58:37
  SPEAKER_05: Um but she was the last person, I'm assuming, to touch it and to to mess with it.
• 58:44
  SPEAKER_05: And she did.
• 58:45
  SPEAKER_05: She was only 42 years old.
• 58:47
  SPEAKER_05: She died in her sleep.
• 58:49
  SPEAKER_05: They have no explanation of how she died.
• 58:51
  SPEAKER_04: They didn't, she had how old I'm gonna be.
• 58:53
  SPEAKER_05: She had no medical conditions, like, and it's a really small town, like Richmond is really small, so like when that lady died, it was like on Facebook, you know, and it was on their the historical society's page, and like, you know, everyone was devastated, like, devastated.
• 59:07
  SPEAKER_05: And then when I go back there and I'm talking to the lady, and I said, Yeah, I haven't been back here, you know, since the lady who used to work here and live here, you know, she passed away.
• 59:16
  SPEAKER_05: And the lady goes, Oh my gosh, that was my best friend.
• 59:19
  SPEAKER_05: And I was just like, Oh my god, of course.
• 59:21
  SPEAKER_05: And then I was like, Okay, I can't ask her about the dress right now.
• 59:24
  SPEAKER_05: But I thought eventually, if I do continue to go back up there, I thought about if I could me and her kind of developed a little bit of relationship about the Civil War stuff.
• 59:33
  SPEAKER_05: I I'm really interested in that from other research I'm doing, and we really bonded on that.
• 59:38
  SPEAKER_05: And I thought, you know, maybe eventually I could get to a point where I say, Hey, you know, I I was the one that brought this dress.
• 59:45
  SPEAKER_05: Do you know about it?
• 59:47
  SPEAKER_05: Do you know if it could possibly still be here?
• 59:49
  SPEAKER_05: There might be somebody interested who would want it.
• 59:51
  SPEAKER_05: And I'm not saying Zach Bacons is gonna take this dress, but I thought that would be a proper place for it to be.
• 59:56
  SPEAKER_05: And at that time, I was not thinking through the things that I was doing.
• 1:00:00
  SPEAKER_05: And my friend did try to help me with a solution, but I don't think I did anything right with it.
• 1:00:06
  SPEAKER_05: I should have never taken it in the first place, but it does still make me upset to think about that.
• 1:00:10
  SPEAKER_05: Like my ex was like, you have to stop blaming yourself.
• 1:00:13
  SPEAKER_05: I'm sorry.
• 1:00:14
  SPEAKER_04: Oh my gosh, Alex.
• 1:00:15
  SPEAKER_04: No, you need to you need to like go back there and talk to that lady.
• 1:00:19
  SPEAKER_04: And number one, I'm gonna tell you this with complete like knowledge and authority that no, it is not your fault.
• 1:00:25
  SPEAKER_04: That is a 100% lie from the enemy.
• 1:00:27
  SPEAKER_04: No, yeah, no, no, no.
• 1:00:29
  SPEAKER_04: That you did not kill that lady with the dress.
• 1:00:31
  SPEAKER_04: That's ridiculous.
• 1:00:32
  SPEAKER_04: Come on, no, absolutely not.
• 1:00:35
  SPEAKER_04: No, I I mean I know because you are obviously like a deep feeling person, but no, that is I rebuke that.
• 1:00:42
  SPEAKER_04: That is a lie.
• 1:00:43
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, no, I just know what I experienced with the dress.
• 1:00:46
  SPEAKER_05: That's terrible, and I just felt that I put that on her without even like telling her.
• 1:00:50
  SPEAKER_05: But like I said, I didn't think that she believed in that stuff, so I didn't think that I didn't think that it would do anything.
• 1:00:57
  SPEAKER_04: But I'm sure that her friend that is taken over that place, because people that like, I mean, I'm sure everybody listening, like, if you're listening to our podcast, we love history and we love you know, exploring and stuff like that too.
• 1:01:09
  SPEAKER_04: So people that have and take care of historical items, artifacts, things like that, like you do that out of the deep reverence, I think, for those items, especially the connection to the land, Native Americans, you know, all of that sort of stuff.
• 1:01:23
  SPEAKER_04: She's not looking at it in terms of like a memorial place, but more of like, I want people to learn about this.
• 1:01:29
  SPEAKER_04: So I'm sure if you went back and talked to her friend, if it was her best friend, she would have knowledge of the dress, and I'm sure she would put your mind at ease because that is just I hate that you're feeling upset, and that is just total trash lies.
• 1:01:43
  SPEAKER_05: Like, no, that is not how no like it feels good to talk about it though, because like I don't have people to talk to this stuff about, and like I said, people usually don't believe in this type of stuff, but yeah.
• 1:01:56
  SPEAKER_04: Well, you can come here at any time, definitely.
• 1:02:00
  SPEAKER_05: Okay, that was a hard one, yeah.
• 1:02:09
  SPEAKER_05: They had antique stores, and so like just in my head, I was just like, wow, like like you said, this is an old neat dress that no one's ever going to be able to like replicate in that time.
• 1:02:21
  SPEAKER_05: And to me, I thought it was like I looked at it as special.
• 1:02:24
  SPEAKER_05: But then the more research I did, I found out that the the dad somehow either passed away or the mom did something to the dad.
• 1:02:32
  SPEAKER_05: Like, I don't really know, but there's a big mystery in my town about one lady said he got pushed down the cistern well, another lady said that he fell down the cistern well, then another lady said, Oh, he just left them.
• 1:02:46
  SPEAKER_05: And so I never got like a clear story, but it was very, very evident that they were tearing the house down because there was an open cistern well, and they had to fill it before they could build another property.
• 1:03:02
  SPEAKER_05: So, like the the city basically told them that you have to get rid of the cistern well if you want to build another property on this.
• 1:03:10
  SPEAKER_05: You can't redo this house.
• 1:03:11
  SPEAKER_05: This house is not it, could have been redone, but for for whatever reason the city said no, the cistern.
• 1:03:17
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, but it was just like it was weird that it was like that's the whole reason why the house couldn't be redone and why it had to be filled, and then all these people on Facebook are like, the father was pushed down the cistern.
• 1:03:28
  SPEAKER_05: Well, the mom killed the dead, and then I'm like, and then it was like this dress with this car driving away, and these this mom and daughter just sitting there crying, and it's like, Did you parade your daughter around in this dress at like the the the town on the main street?
• 1:03:45
  SPEAKER_05: Like, do you have any idea the timing?
• 1:03:48
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, like the time frame of the dress, like is it the 50s, 60s, 70s?
• 1:03:52
  SPEAKER_05: Oh the most recent artifact I could find in the house was 1969.
• 1:03:57
  SPEAKER_05: Okay, and the oldest artifact that I could find in that house was like 1920.
• 1:04:03
  SPEAKER_05: It could have even been before 1920, but I found an egg license.
• 1:04:07
  SPEAKER_05: I think I sent that to you.
• 1:04:09
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, but I did the egg license.
• 1:04:12
  SPEAKER_04: I want to ask her because she's definitely super crafty and I'm not.
• 1:04:16
  SPEAKER_04: Like, I have no idea how you make dress patterns, but the only thing that pops into my mind is um like screen printing, like you would like t-shirts, like stuff, like stuff like that.
• 1:04:26
  SPEAKER_04: But I don't know if you would actually do that for an entire like dress pattern.
• 1:04:30
  SPEAKER_04: So I'm not sure.
• 1:04:32
  SPEAKER_04: Like, did it look like it was like screen printed?
• 1:04:37
  SPEAKER_04: Um was it because it wasn't a it was a dress, it wasn't like a pattern that you would get from like the store.
• 1:04:43
  SPEAKER_04: It was an actual and it wasn't fabric, it was actually made into a dress.
• 1:04:47
  SPEAKER_04: Correct.
• 1:04:48
  SPEAKER_05: Right, like the the person who lived at that house made that specific dress.
• 1:04:51
  SPEAKER_05: Like they sewed the whole dress together, and then maybe they could have screen, like you said, screen printed, but she would have had to have had like made that one and then done that all over the dress like that.
• 1:05:04
  SPEAKER_05: Like a stamp or something.
• 1:05:05
  SPEAKER_04: Okay, so anyone anyone listening that knows anything about screen printing or dress pattern making, please let us know.
• 1:05:12
  SPEAKER_05: Especially in that time, anywhere from like 1920 to 1960, I would say.
• 1:05:16
  SPEAKER_05: Right.
• 1:05:17
  SPEAKER_04: I mean, that's definitely I mean there has to be you know, uh I mean, there's a way to do it.
• 1:05:23
  SPEAKER_04: Oh gosh, her phone died.
• 1:05:25
  SPEAKER_04: Okay, oh Crystal.
• 1:05:26
  SPEAKER_04: Bye, I love you.
• 1:05:28
  SPEAKER_04: Oh next meeting you, Crystal.
• 1:05:29
  SPEAKER_04: I know.
• 1:05:30
  SPEAKER_04: Okay, she might plug it.
• 1:05:32
  SPEAKER_04: I'm gonna tell her to plug it back in.
• 1:05:34
  SPEAKER_04: Um hold on.
• 1:05:37
  SPEAKER_05: Thank you for talking to me.
• 1:05:38
  SPEAKER_05: You plugging about that.
• 1:05:40
  SPEAKER_05: That was like hard for me.
• 1:05:44
  SPEAKER_05: And my like my ex husband was like, You just have to get over it, Alex.
• 1:05:47
  SPEAKER_05: Like, that wasn't your fault.
• 1:05:48
  SPEAKER_05: That lady didn't die because of you.
• 1:05:49
  SPEAKER_05: I'm like, I know she didn't die because of me, but it it was almost like it was like God was like, She she need this she needs this for her ascending.
• 1:06:00
  SPEAKER_05: Almost like it it was almost like we had to meet, like if I had not ever been to that place, I would have never even thought to take it there.
• 1:06:07
  SPEAKER_05: Like I took it there for a reason, like it all happened for a reason.
• 1:06:11
  SPEAKER_05: I just felt I just felt bad because I I felt bad that I didn't like tell her, you know what I mean?
• 1:06:17
  SPEAKER_05: I just didn't like warn her.
• 1:06:19
  SPEAKER_05: But like I said, I don't even know if she would have even taken the warning, you know.
• 1:06:22
  SPEAKER_04: And then also, yeah, like I was just gonna say, think about it that way.
• 1:06:25
  SPEAKER_04: Like you, you know, so I've been talking about this a lot recently, like on other podcasts, where it's just like you know, God we have we have gifts that God gives us, and the enemy will definitely take our gifts and distort them and confuse us and you know, use it against us.
• 1:06:44
  SPEAKER_04: That like distortion of the gifts.
• 1:06:46
  SPEAKER_04: So, you know, you could knowing that you have this like personality where you you're caring and you want to like yeah, like do the right thing, you wanted to do the right thing, like that was your heart behind it.
• 1:06:59
  SPEAKER_04: So I wouldn't think that you can't take it like it's a I don't know, it's not to say like personal, but like it's that's not of God.
• 1:07:07
  SPEAKER_04: God is never there is no condemnation in Christ Jesus, like you are not gonna feel condemnation or shame or guilt with the Lord.
• 1:07:15
  SPEAKER_04: So that is just total like crap from the enemy to make you feel bad, to probably keep you in this, like I mean, I'm not saying that what you're doing isn't like what you're supposed to be doing, but like if you're feeling like you're not doing what you're supposed to be doing on assignment for the Lord, then then take it to Him.
• 1:07:32
  SPEAKER_04: You know what I mean?
• 1:07:33
  SPEAKER_04: Like, you definitely have a gifting of something with these houses, and the fact that you're feeling this like spiritual connection, you keep saying, like you're saying that your soul feels like you know, you're going.
• 1:07:44
  SPEAKER_04: Well, that's a there's a reason behind that.
• 1:07:46
  SPEAKER_04: Like you want to go back to that property for a reason because maybe there's something on that property that you can pray for, you know.
• 1:07:53
  SPEAKER_04: Maybe you can pray for that, you know.
• 1:07:54
  SPEAKER_04: Who knows?
• 1:07:55
  SPEAKER_04: Like that would be something that I would, if it were me and I were feeling that way, I would go back to the property with somebody, hopefully somebody that is a prayerful person as well.
• 1:08:08
  SPEAKER_04: And I would just say, Holy Spirit, what is show me?
• 1:08:11
  SPEAKER_04: What do you want me to do?
• 1:08:12
  SPEAKER_04: Like, what am I supposed to do?
• 1:08:13
  SPEAKER_04: I or even before I did that, I would ask the Lord, is this what I'm supposed to be doing with this?
• 1:08:18
  SPEAKER_04: And if it's not, then take it away.
• 1:08:19
  SPEAKER_04: Because I don't feel good about this.
• 1:08:22
  SPEAKER_04: You know what I mean?
• 1:08:23
  SPEAKER_04: Like, that's what I think maybe that would be my next step in faith, is like that's what I would be doing, is like just taking those feelings just right to him and say, What am I supposed to do with this?
• 1:08:35
  SPEAKER_04: I don't know.
• 1:08:36
  SPEAKER_04: You tell me, like, that's what I did when I first got saved, and it was like baby, I was like it was like baby steps.
• 1:08:42
  SPEAKER_04: Like, tell me every little thing that I'm supposed to do because I don't know.
• 1:08:46
  SPEAKER_04: And I'm supposed to go to you, so you tell me what to do.
• 1:08:48
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, if this is the right thing, and if it's not of you, then take it from me.
• 1:08:54
  SPEAKER_04: And then definitely that was I was gonna like write you an email, but now that like we're talking about it, like I would definitely one of the best tips I ever got when I first like started walking with the Lord was um it was a friend of mine that actually came out of the occult, and she said, just ask the Holy Spirit to illuminate anything that you have in your life that is not like of God and for his glory, and then you will start seeing kind of like glimpses of things to get rid of.
• 1:09:25
  SPEAKER_04: And that's the first thing that I would I would do because you you're attached to these objects and you're drawn to them for a reason.
• 1:09:31
  SPEAKER_04: And I know that's like a whole big other conversation.
• 1:09:34
  SPEAKER_04: People are attached to to items, yeah, and they get attached to us, and you know, for whatever reason, I mean, we can get into that.
• 1:09:42
  SPEAKER_04: Like there are Catholic relics, I mean, there are so many things, you know, that are actually kind of good, but then just like everything else, it g it gets distorted.
• 1:09:53
  SPEAKER_04: So that's what I would really do with it.
• 1:09:55
  SPEAKER_04: I feel like that would be something because it because you just seem like you're called to going to these places, you know.
• 1:10:02
  SPEAKER_05: If you had to kind of feel like because it was too once it started like messing with my son, like that the dress thing or whatever, like that's when I was like, Okay, like this is affecting it's not just affecting me now, it's like it's affecting my family.
• 1:10:19
  SPEAKER_05: And then like after I took the dress and we were still having issues, I just said, you know, Robert says that we should stage the place.
• 1:10:28
  SPEAKER_05: And when I said that, we heard the singing coming from the basement.
• 1:10:32
  SPEAKER_05: I think you might have heard that on the other podcast, but what did it sound like?
• 1:10:36
  SPEAKER_05: He said it sounded like his grandma, like his grandma singing, and it was almost like she was saying, Yes, please do this, get this out.
• 1:10:45
  SPEAKER_05: Um, because he said that was her special room was in the basement where she would sew, and he said she would sing songs in the basement.
• 1:10:53
  SPEAKER_05: So he we kind of took it as like, okay, maybe maybe she's like saying, like, hey, you know, I approve, please get this stuff out of the house, you know.
• 1:11:02
  SPEAKER_05: And it was just little stuff like that that I was like, okay, we have to do something because it's obviously it's affecting all of us, and and I did, I I felt bad that I brought that back to the house, and like I said, I I was new to everything and I wasn't thinking it through, but I was glad I had somebody like Robert to like help me work through it, and I'm still like even just talking to you, it helps me feel better to like hear someone else say it because you can beat yourself up a lot.
• 1:11:31
  SPEAKER_05: Oh, absolutely.
• 1:11:32
  SPEAKER_05: I just I did.
• 1:11:33
  SPEAKER_05: I felt I felt bad, but I feel better now, and like I said, I've developed like a relationship with that lady, and I and I hope to talk to her about that.
• 1:11:41
  SPEAKER_05: And like you said, she'll probably put my mind at ease, you know.
• 1:11:44
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, but it was all just really um it was a lot, like a lot, and it helped me realize like what I was doing has to be done a certain way.
• 1:11:56
  SPEAKER_05: Um yes.
• 1:12:05
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• 1:12:08
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