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Thursday Thunderdome w/Maria Konnikova · The Favorites Sports Betting Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to The Favorites, the podcast from the Volume Podcast Network.
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  Speaker 1: It's Thursday. That means it's time to enter the Thursday Thunderdome.
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  Speaker 1: On today's show, our special guests will compete alongside my
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  Speaker 1: co host, my companion, Professional Sports Better Simon Hunter, in
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  Speaker 1: an epic test of wagers and wits that's made of
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  Speaker 1: this show, the only back to back Oscar nominated sports
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  Speaker 1: betting trivia podcast in history. Simon, if you were to
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  Speaker 1: thank me in the Oscar speech when we win for something,
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  Speaker 1: what would you say. I actually wrote my Oscar speech
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  Speaker 1: when I was like twelve years old, and I think,
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  Speaker 1: still to this day genius. It goes like, I want
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  Speaker 1: to thank my legs for holding me up, my arms
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  Speaker 1: for always being by my side. But it was genius
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  Speaker 1: for a twelve year old. I want to thank Chad
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  Speaker 1: for putting me in a position is to succeed, loving me,
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  Speaker 1: unconditionally accepting me. Yeah, I would let you write it. Apparently, Well,
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  Speaker 1: it's probably a good idea lemn. Speaking of writing, your
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  Speaker 1: first challenger is an expert in the art and science
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  Speaker 1: of human decision making a return guest here on The Favorites.
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  Speaker 1: My favorite guest from last summer jes a psychology PhD,
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  Speaker 1: a poker champion, the author of two best selling books,
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  Speaker 1: including The Biggest Bluff. Welcome back to the show, Maria Kanakova.
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  Speaker 1: How are you. I'm doing well. Thank you so much
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  Speaker 1: for having me back. It's a pleasure to be here.
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  Speaker 1: Tell me how life has been since you reveal yourself
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  Speaker 1: to be one of the best poker players on earth.
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  Speaker 1: Can't stop the challenges from the other best poker players
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  Speaker 1: in the world who are like, you know, I'm the
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  Speaker 1: best in the universe. And then obviously I have to
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  Speaker 1: say no, I am um, and then we get into
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  Speaker 1: it and it gets messy. It does get ugly, especially
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  Speaker 1: during COVID. I've heard that, Yeah, for sure, I've heard
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  Speaker 1: on the street in the poker chat rooms that you
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  Speaker 1: are getting nasty on a lot of people because they're
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  Speaker 1: all coming after you. That's absolutely I mean that. That's
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  Speaker 1: my that's my day to day these days. You know,
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  Speaker 1: no time for writing, no time for anything. Basically all
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  Speaker 1: I do is talk shit online. Well, you know, you
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  Speaker 1: gotta make a living. H Simon. Your second challenger is
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  Speaker 1: Action Network producer Emmy Werner. Our company's YouTube's are the
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  Speaker 1: Arizona native comes to us from the Late Late Show
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  Speaker 1: with James Cordon and is famous for being one of
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  Speaker 1: the only legitimate long suffering Phoenix Suns fans anybody here knows.
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  Speaker 1: Welcome to the thunder Dome. Son's jersey clad Ryan McKee.
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  Speaker 1: It is an honor to be here. And since I
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  Speaker 1: have you, what is Action Network's policy on advances to
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  Speaker 1: pay off bookies? Because as the Sun's lost last night
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  Speaker 1: and it was a rep nice for me, let's just
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  Speaker 1: say that I'm lucky I'm here. We do not promote
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  Speaker 1: illegal wagering of any kind here, Ryan, So whatever you're
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  Speaker 1: doing on your own time, you'll have to manage on
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  Speaker 1: your own. We will not be a party to it. Bryan,
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  Speaker 1: you and I can talk after. This is a big
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  Speaker 1: recorded right, Don't worry, nobody listens anyways. Here's how this
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  Speaker 1: game is played today. You'll answer two kinds of questions. First,
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  Speaker 1: traditional trivia questions about sports, sports, betting, and the world
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  Speaker 1: at large. Second, completely subjective and totally assinine, open ended
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  Speaker 1: questions or prompts that I alone will judge impress me people.
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  Speaker 1: To accumulate points, you must answer the trivia questions correctly
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  Speaker 1: and also convince me that your responses to those open
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  Speaker 1: ended prompts are better than the responses from your opponents.
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  Speaker 1: Let's begin Part one. Poker stars are specialist. Maria Kondakova
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  Speaker 1: is famously an expert and celebrity in the universe of poker,
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  Speaker 1: a game long beloved by athletes across the world. As
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  Speaker 1: a tribute to this gambling mainstay and it's famous enthusiasts,
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  Speaker 1: I will now ask each of you two questions, one
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  Speaker 1: about a poker term and another about a famous athlete.
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  Speaker 1: Poker player Maria Gerard Piquay is one of the most
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  Speaker 1: famous soccer players in Spanish history and the winner of
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  Speaker 1: both a euro and World Cup. He's also famous off
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  Speaker 1: the pitch for two other reasons, first as a poker
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  Speaker 1: player with over seven hundred thousand dollars in tournament winnings,
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  Speaker 1: and second for being the longtime romantic partner of this
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  Speaker 1: Colombian one name pop star whose song Who Sang Whatever
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  Speaker 1: Wherever was an international number one hit in two thousand one,
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  Speaker 1: Shakira Was it the way I saw it? It was?
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  Speaker 1: It was? But but you need to swing the hips too,
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  Speaker 1: because remember your hips don't lie. It's true. And by
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  Speaker 1: the way, I'm in a swivel chair. I'm not sure
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  Speaker 1: you guys can see that. So I was doing that
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  Speaker 1: at the same time when I sang yeah and a
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  Speaker 1: bit of trivia for you. I actually played with him
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  Speaker 1: at EPT Barcelona the last time it was held, which
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  Speaker 1: was at this point, I think three years ago. And
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  Speaker 1: how did you do? Oh? He ended up final tabling
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  Speaker 1: the event. I played with him and he crushed everyone's soul?
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  Speaker 1: He did. Really? Was he a trash talker in any way? No,
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  Speaker 1: he was very nice. Who would you say, in your experience,
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  Speaker 1: has been the biggest trash talker at the poker table.
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  Speaker 1: What is the meanest thing someone has said you at
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  Speaker 1: the poker table? Oh? I mean I've been called everything
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  Speaker 1: under the sun at the poker table, including I've been
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  Speaker 1: propositioned at the poker table. I've actually been offered money
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  Speaker 1: and tournament buy ins. So someone told me that it
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  Speaker 1: was okay if I bust because they'd be willing to
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  Speaker 1: pay for me to re enter if I were to
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  Speaker 1: accompany them to their hotel room. So so you can
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  Speaker 1: get nasty, and do you feel like do you feel
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  Speaker 1: like when someone is doing that, are they doing that
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  Speaker 1: because they want to get in your head as opposed
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  Speaker 1: to your bed or do they Are they doing it
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  Speaker 1: because like they're serious and think that you're going to
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  Speaker 1: fall for something like that. Well, in that particular case,
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  Speaker 1: I actually think that the person in question was serious,
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  Speaker 1: as I later learned, um so, he was Chinese and
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  Speaker 1: apparently in Macau in the gambling culture, it's not uncommon
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  Speaker 1: for that to be an actual arrangement between female and
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  Speaker 1: male poker players. I did not realize that, but um so,
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  Speaker 1: I'm assuming that he actually meant it. Wow, Poker's a
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  Speaker 1: nasty business. Here is your poker term? Question? Also a
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  Speaker 1: defensive technique in the game of basketball, this term refers
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  Speaker 1: to slow or passive play to lore opponent into larger
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  Speaker 1: or more aggressive bets. What is the name of this term? Checking?
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  Speaker 1: Is what I would say, ding, ding, ding, Maria, You
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  Speaker 1: get the point. Simon also a well known American Olympian.
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  Speaker 1: This athlete is something of a poker obsessive, regularly playing
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  Speaker 1: in World Series of Poker events. He was even seen
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  Speaker 1: playing poker shortly before his two thousand and sixteen Olympics
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  Speaker 1: semifinal in the two D Butterfly um hoping Michael Phelps,
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  Speaker 1: Michael Phelps and my favorite thing was Chad, you got
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  Speaker 1: to see the underbelly of the poker world and you
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  Speaker 1: could even handle it for one minute. She barely she
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  Speaker 1: barely even dipped into and you were just like, oh
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  Speaker 1: my god, oh my god. You don't want to know
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  Speaker 1: the real, the real gambling world. Chad just likes the
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  Speaker 1: the happy stuff. He doesn't like to know the underseed belly.
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  Speaker 1: That most of the gambling world is just creepy dudes, weird,
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  Speaker 1: weird dudes. That's what a lot of gamblings are. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: but there's a lot of happy stuff too. Yeah. Number
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  Speaker 1: One on I co host a podcast with a weird,
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  Speaker 1: creepy dude. I know all about the underbelly of gambling.
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  Speaker 1: Number two, I am sorry that I look for optimism,
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  Speaker 1: that I look for positivity, that I look for triumph. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: I'm not looking for negativity. That's not my bag. Man,
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  Speaker 1: here's your poker question, Simon. Also something NBA players are
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  Speaker 1: accused of. This term refers to the first three community
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  Speaker 1: cards shown in a game of Texas Hold Him Flop.
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  Speaker 1: It is known as the flop Ryan. Most people point
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  Speaker 1: to this man is the best known star athlete poker
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  Speaker 1: enthusiast in America despite a professional baseball career batting average
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  Speaker 1: of two oh two. Who is this man? So I
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  Speaker 1: should say that I know nothing about poker, since Maria
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  Speaker 1: already name dropped that she played poker against Shakira's husband.
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  Speaker 1: I was once in a commercial with Phil lock a
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  Speaker 1: k A. The Uni Bomber, and he is married to
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  Speaker 1: an equally famous person, Jennifer Tilly. So before I get
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  Speaker 1: this question wrong, can I get a point for that?
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  Speaker 1: I am automatically deducting a point for you putting Jennifer
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  Speaker 1: Tilly in the same what universe? Have you never seen
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  Speaker 1: Bride of Chucky? She was amazing in that Movie's taping
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  Speaker 1: a sequel? Right now, there you go, give me stop
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  Speaker 1: your vanking. I don't know Randy Johnson, Dude, dude, Michael
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  Speaker 1: Jordan's here's another thing about me. I get really overwhelmed
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  Speaker 1: in these situations, and I'm not good at thinking on
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  Speaker 1: my feet. All the words you said got mixed around
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  Speaker 1: in my head. So I am very sorry. I'll try
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  Speaker 1: to rally here. All right, Well, let's see if you
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  Speaker 1: can rally on this one. If you get this right,
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  Speaker 1: I will give you two points so you can get
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  Speaker 1: back to zero. Okay, thank you. Here is your poker
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  Speaker 1: term question Ryan, also the word used for an often
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  Speaker 1: infuriating late cover of a gambling spread. This poker term
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  Speaker 1: refers to a draw that catches two consecutive cards to
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  Speaker 1: complete a straight or a flush back door. There you go,
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  Speaker 1: we are putting you back at zero. Congratulations. I wish
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  Speaker 1: my bank account was back at zero. Al Right, here's
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  Speaker 1: the prompt. Poker is best when the stakes are high.
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  Speaker 1: If you had to bet your life in a game
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  Speaker 1: of poker against one current or former pro sports figure,
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  Speaker 1: who would you choose and why? Simon Eure up first? Oh, Chad,
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  Speaker 1: you know I'm always playing the angles. So I did
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  Speaker 1: some research into this because I love history. The greatest
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  Speaker 1: wrestler in American history, Abraham Lincoln. You had three matches,
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  Speaker 1: you only lost one time at a three hundred matches.
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  Speaker 1: The man can't tell a lie. I would love to
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  Speaker 1: play poker with a man that cannot tell a lot,
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  Speaker 1: because I'll just ask him straight up what he has.
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  Speaker 1: If he may that hand, if you needed that six,
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  Speaker 1: it'll be too easy. So for me, Abraham Lincoln wild
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  Speaker 1: be the player I want to play against. I'm pretty
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  Speaker 1: sure it was George Washington, who could not tell a
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  Speaker 1: lie honest Abe. Oh Chad, get the hell out of
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  Speaker 1: this room right now. Can I just interrupt both of
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  Speaker 1: you and say that if you actually believe that a
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  Speaker 1: politician says I will never tell a lie and that
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  Speaker 1: is the truth, then I've got a bridge to sell you. Well,
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  Speaker 1: you know what, Let's see how smarty Maria does when
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  Speaker 1: it's her turn. I'm going to give you some credit
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  Speaker 1: because you forgot his nickname was honest Dave. Because I
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  Speaker 1: forgot his nickname was honest Dave. I like the idea
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  Speaker 1: that you're going to use his strength against him in
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  Speaker 1: a brutal game of poker. Ryan, how are you feeling? Yes,
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  Speaker 1: this one was really easy for me because I would
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  Speaker 1: want to go against the person who has been the
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  Speaker 1: bane of my existence in two thousand four, and that
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  Speaker 1: is Sons owner Robert sarver a k A. Jankie James Dolan.
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  Speaker 1: Nobody knows who he is is, but he is the
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  Speaker 1: worst everybody looks at James owner is the worst owner. No,
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  Speaker 1: it's Robert Sarverer. He's not even a billionaire. He's an
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  Speaker 1: owner who's not even a billionaire. He's like a four
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  Speaker 1: million dollars or something like that, like Maria probably has
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  Speaker 1: a bigger steak than he does. I would go against him,
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  Speaker 1: and I would see myself as Han Solo playing against
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  Speaker 1: Lando Karissian for the Millennium Falcon, famous scene in that movie.
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  Speaker 1: And I'm not doing it for the greater good of
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  Speaker 1: the Sun's fans, so I'm the hero in this. So
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  Speaker 1: I would definitely have to win, and I would just
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  Speaker 1: like Han Solo said that he was staking a spaceship
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  Speaker 1: that he did not have for the Millennium Falcon, I
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  Speaker 1: would say, because Sarber has gotten into buying soccer teams overseas,
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  Speaker 1: I would say, oh, I'm the owner of the Mecanos Mystics,
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  Speaker 1: which is not a team, but he probably doesn't know that,
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  Speaker 1: and I would sell like, hey, this is wonderful Greek Island,
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  Speaker 1: awesome soccer team. I'll steak mine against the Sun's. I
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  Speaker 1: would win. Tom Chambers would be next to me like
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  Speaker 1: Chewbacca and he would cheer, and rest would be history.
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  Speaker 1: Here's here's what I love about this question. If you're
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  Speaker 1: betting your life, I think the assumption is that if
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  Speaker 1: you win, the other person has to die. So Simon
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  Speaker 1: has killed a b. Lincoln in order to win his bet. Ryan,
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  Speaker 1: you're killing Robert Sarver and you think you're going to
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  Speaker 1: do it by convincing him that meeky Nos has a
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  Speaker 1: soccer team that he wants to invest in, which is
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  Speaker 1: a little bit like us buying the bridge from Maria, Maria,
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  Speaker 1: Can you please please beat both of these answers? Sure?
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  Speaker 1: In order to win my match, I'm killing Hulk Cogan.
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  Speaker 1: You win, I'm already. That doesn't doesn't matter. Say what
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  Speaker 1: you want to say, but I'm so on this game,
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  Speaker 1: so let's hear it. So you know, if we're if
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  Speaker 1: we're betting our lives here, we need someone who is
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  Speaker 1: going to be an opponent who is very winnable, right,
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  Speaker 1: someone we can beat. Hull Cogan embodies every characteristic you
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  Speaker 1: don't want to see in a poker player. He is
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  Speaker 1: prone to h he is incredibly emotional. He loses his ship,
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  Speaker 1: especially against women. And I'm female, so I want someone
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  Speaker 1: like that. And I'm a journalist and he loves to
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  Speaker 1: sue the media. As we know, he hates journalism. So
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  Speaker 1: I'll be like, oh, you know, you sued gawker. I'm
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  Speaker 1: from the New Yorker, Like how about that. Let's let's
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  Speaker 1: talk journalism. You know that testosterone, the roid rage. I'm
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  Speaker 1: liking my chances against that guy, and you know what,
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  Speaker 1: it's going to feel really really good to beat him
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  Speaker 1: with you, if for no other reason than I've had
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  Speaker 1: to replace my gawker habit with a TikTok habit. Also,
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  Speaker 1: I don't want ab Lincoln dead, and I don't care
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  Speaker 1: enough about Robert Sarver to want him dead. Whereas this,
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  Speaker 1: I feel like there's a tangible benefit to society. Maria,
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  Speaker 1: you win the prompt. I brought my a game. I
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  Speaker 1: really prepared for them. Here's Part two. Athlete authors like me,
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  Speaker 1: our guest. Maria Kanakova is a best selling author, although
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  Speaker 1: I am obligated to note that she has not written
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  Speaker 1: quite as many s sellers as yours, truly. In this section,
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  Speaker 1: we'll talk about some other best selling authors, specifically famous
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  Speaker 1: athletes who tried their hand at the publishing game. Simon
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  Speaker 1: before his tragic passing in early Kobe Bryant authored a
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  Speaker 1: twenty eighteen book called The Blank Mentality Mamba Mamba Is Correct.
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  Speaker 1: Maria the two thousand nineteen bestseller play Hungry, The Making
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  Speaker 1: of a Baseball Player was written by this baseball hit king,
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  Speaker 1: famously banned from Major League Baseball for gambling. Well, I
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  Speaker 1: have no idea, Mark McGuire, Pete Rose, you are so
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  Speaker 1: far ahead right now. I don't think you have too
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  Speaker 1: much to worry about. Ryan. When NFL offensive lineman Michael
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  Speaker 1: or authored his best selling autobiography I Beat the Odds,
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  Speaker 1: he fondly told firsthand his inspirational story, which famously served
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  Speaker 1: as the plot of this two thousand nine football film,
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  Speaker 1: The blind Side. The blind Side here's the prompt. For
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  Speaker 1: decades now, famous athletes have told their own stories through
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  Speaker 1: written or ghost written books, but too many of these
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  Speaker 1: are just extended puff pieces. But imagine you can force
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  Speaker 1: any figure in the sports world into writing a juicy,
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  Speaker 1: on true tell all memoir. Who would you choose and why? Ryan?
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  Speaker 1: You go first? Well, I hate to be so on
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  Speaker 1: brand as to pick another Arizona themed answer, but I'm
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  Speaker 1: sorry I had to do this. I would pick Larry Fitzgerald,
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  Speaker 1: the man that everybody in the NFL across the board
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  Speaker 1: seems to love. My brother was a valet at the
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  Speaker 1: Risk Carlton and Phoenix, where a lot of famous athletes
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  Speaker 1: would hang out, and he said that Larry always had
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  Speaker 1: a huge smile on his face, always tipped very well.
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  Speaker 1: It seemed to be friends with everybody in all kinds
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  Speaker 1: of sports. But I feel like he's got to have
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  Speaker 1: a dark side, right Like Larry Fitzgerald has called something
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  Speaker 1: like live, laugh and lie. What lies beyond the smile?
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  Speaker 1: And we learn Fitzgerald's other side. Terrible answer. If you're
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  Speaker 1: gonna choose Arizona, think about the things Charles Barkley didn't
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  Speaker 1: write in his book. And you go with the most
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  Speaker 1: milk toast athlete, you know which side that has which
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  Speaker 1: It's almost impossible. It's almost impossible today to get away
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  Speaker 1: with anything if you are a professional athlete, if you
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  Speaker 1: are a famous athlete, if you are as high profile
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  Speaker 1: as Larry Fitshgerald, there's no way there's something dark and
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  Speaker 1: sinister to uncover. Arizona is the Southwestern Florida equivalent. There's
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  Speaker 1: some shady stuff that happens there. He's friends with John,
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  Speaker 1: he was friends with John McCain before his type, his passing.
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  Speaker 1: He's friends with Robert Sarbor. He's friends with all of
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  Speaker 1: the most powerful people. I think they cover up for him.
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  Speaker 1: It's gonna be huge. It's gonna break out of the way.
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  Speaker 1: Your guilt by association logic means that, like, there's a
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  Speaker 1: great tell all about me. Because I'm friends with Simon,
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  Speaker 1: I don't see the equivalent at all there. I'm beloved,
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  Speaker 1: and I like practically in central Connecticut, Maria, give us
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  Speaker 1: your an. Alright, well, I'm going to go in a
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  Speaker 1: totally different direction with a non American athlete. So this
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  Speaker 1: is this is a little out of left field answer,
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  Speaker 1: but I'm feeling good about it. So I'm choosing a
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  Speaker 1: female athlete who is still alive but hasn't been active
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  Speaker 1: for a long time from Romania. Nadia Comaneci, who was
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  Speaker 1: the first gymnast to ever be awarded a perfect ten
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  Speaker 1: at the Olympics in the seventies I think seventies six.
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  Speaker 1: She was fourteen years old and she always had this,
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  Speaker 1: you know, lovely smile, a wonderful story, great coach, and
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  Speaker 1: she started gymnastics kind of the boom that we're seeing now.
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  Speaker 1: But the reason I want her to tell her story
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  Speaker 1: is there was some fucked up ship going on behind
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  Speaker 1: the Iron Curtain, and they really abused their athletes. The
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  Speaker 1: standards that were set just horrific training. The doping stuff
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  Speaker 1: that we're seeing today started in Russia and all the
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  Speaker 1: former Soviet Union. I'm assuming Romania. I'm assuming there's so
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  Speaker 1: much we don't know that created this glamorous world that
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: we see today that I'd really love her to just
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  Speaker 1: be honest and tell us all about that culture and
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: what was happening in Olympic training behind the curtain, lift
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: the veil on these standards that we're saying today. I mean,
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: that's such a better answer than Larry Fitzgerald. What can
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: I bet on Maria to win this point? What kind
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: of odds do I get against Simon versus Maria this point?
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: Either way? By the way, you guys should google videos
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: of her like to this day. You know how athletes
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: get better and better over time, and like the gymnasts,
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: the stuff that someone Biles is doing today, it's like,
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: holy shit. People in the seventies didn't even know it
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: was possible. Just look at her performing her routines and
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: it's just breathtaking, the beautiful look. I was five years
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: old in nineteen seventy six, don't remember much about the Olympics,
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: but do you remember her being this international superstar and
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: it was impossible to be a sports fan of any
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: kind and not sort of understand who she was. And then,
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: like any gymnasts, like a lot of people in the Olympics,
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: they sort of disappear after that. And I think your
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: story idea, your your idea for a tell all is brilliant.
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: I don't even know why you haven't started trying to
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: figure out how to get her to do that with you.
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: We'll take ten percent. That's totally cool. Simon feeling pretty
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: confident because I know Ryan's a terrible gambler, so the
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: fact that he wanted to bet on her it's making
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: me feel Really, let's here, Tom Brady, tell all the
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: most important athlete in American history. Seven championships in football chat.
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: We're never gonna see that again the rest of our lives.
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: Seven Super Bowls for one quarterback. It's unheard of. I
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: need to know how much cheating went on in New
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: England and this guy has to be true. Please let
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: the smear campaign begin. I'm ready to tear it all
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: down because we all hate New England. I just want
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: to know everything about Brad. I want to I want
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: to true tell All book. I know ESPN is doing
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: like a ten piece series it's gonna be all b us.
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: It's gonna be directed and written by Tom Brady. I
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: want to real tell all about Tom Brady's life alright.
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: So I think that is an amazingly good idea. There
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: is so much to still unpack. Here's a free plug
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: for a different book, which is my close friend Seth
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: Wickersham from ESPN has a book coming out in the fall.
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: Everyone should go preorder it on Amazon. It's called It's
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: Better to Be Feared. Anyone who knows Seth and his work, um,
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: he has been digging into the power structure of the
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: NFL and the power players in the NFL for the
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: past six or seven years and has written some of
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: the biggest stories at ESPN about what it is like
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: to be existing in this world of power that is
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: that is sort of the highest levels of the NFL. Obviously,
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: he was core to writing a story about the Patriots
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: a few years ago, right when it was all falling apart.
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: He was right about all of it. He dug deep
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: into Spygate, he was spot on about all that. He
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: has a huge, huge book coming out which I've read
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: about the Patriots dynasty, the twenty years of the dynasty,
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: goes deep into all that. It is one of the
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: best sports books I've ever read, and it is so
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: smart about framing Brady. It has so much insight info
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: about Brady and Belichick and what went on behind the scenes.
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: It's an amazing book. I highly recommend everyone read it.
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: If Tom Brady could truly do a one behind the
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: scenes tell all about everything in his life, because it
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: wouldn't only be about on field stuff, which would be amazing,
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: but it will also be off the field stuff because
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: he's lived such a glamorous life. I gotta give it
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: to Simon the Nadia Comanici story. Look, I am so sorry.
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: I will never bet on you again. I had the
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: commercial value, which I think is important if you want
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: to sell a book on Tom Brady, would be massive
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: if he truly is you money grubber Chad. Listen, I'm
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: with you, Maria. I think he is wrong. I'm I'm
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: am I getting extra points for trash talking you now, because,
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: by the way, if you think I'm anything other than
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: a mercenary, I gave up capital J journalism career at
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: ESPN to go Start to Go, help launch a startup
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: about sports betting. I am going to go for the
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: money at this stage in my life. And are you
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: gonna give us something about how you bet on yourself
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: and it worked out. It's gonna be like a yeah,
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: all right. Let's let's take a point to why from
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: Ryan I want to read Tom Brady, I write the
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: Nadia story. More people will buy that. Wow. See that's interesting. Wow. Okay,
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: you know what I want to win. I'm giving you
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: a point right now. My competitive instincts have been Here
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: is the current score going into round three? Ryan to
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: Maria three Simon Hunter four. Don't worry, Maria Simon Hunter
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: always loses in the end. Part three All about the
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: IVY Our guest Maria kana Cova is about as IVY
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: League as it gets, with an undergraduate degree from Harvard
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: and a PhD from Columbia. In honor of her academic accomplishments,
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: let's quickly look at great moments in IVY League sports history. Ryan,
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: The first ESPN College Game Day broadcast from a n
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: C Double A Division one Double A game was back
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: in two thousand two for the Harvard Penn game. The
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: Quakers went on to beat the Harvard Crimson, who they
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: have fared better if they started this backup QB who's
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: currently enjoying his seventeen NFL season. Mr Ryan Fitz Magic Fits, magics, magic, Magic,
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: very good Maria. During the two thousand and eleven two
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: thousand twelve NBA season, your fellow Harvard alum Jeremy Lynn
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: sparked a cultural phenomenon known as Lynn Sanity as a
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: member of this NBA team um the next simon. The
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: first time a three point line was introduced into an
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: official game of basketball was during a college game between
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: fourdham and this IVY League program located in the Morningside
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: Heights neighborhood of Manhattan. Mm hmm St John's Columbia University.
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: Damn it. How do we go through an entire poker
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: related podcast with a section called IVY League and not
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: prompt me to tell the story about when I lost
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: phil IV seven hundred and fifty thousand dollars playing craps.
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: I don't understand how that happens. Tell the story. I'm
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: glad you asked. So you know about two I think
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: it was two thousand nine or two thousand ten. You know,
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: as you know, I'm a prominent you know both face
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: name and the gambling industry and the coverage of the
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: gambling industry. And I got a call from Phil Ivy's
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: manager who said, Phil is doing a seventy two hour
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: around the world, Uh, gambling extravaganza ending in Austria. For
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: at the time, it was a full tilt promotional poker event. Uh.
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: He's going to be on his private plane. He's starting
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: in Connecticut at Mohegan Sun. Uh then going to Montreal.
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: Would you like to join him for the gambling event,
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: do a story about phil Ivy, etcetera, etcetera, etcetera. I said,
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: for sure. I met Philip Mohegan's son. He had his
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: own private room, his own private cage. He won a
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: hundred and fifty grand playing craps in the first thirty
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: minutes he was there. He stopped. We all went to
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: have dinner. We took the plane to Montreal, woke up
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: the next morning, were picked up in a limo. Went
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: to the private room at the casino in Montreal. Had
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: an entire buffet set up just for Phil and his guests.
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: Had a private room with a craps table that had
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: his name in a gold plate that was screwed into
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: the table. He took out a million dollars from the cage.
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: He's gambling, he's winning. He looks at me, he says,
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: you want to roll? I say, sure, I roll. I
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: fill the whole table. I don't crap out. I don't
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: win him any money. The next role is for all
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: the money yea or nay. I lose all the money
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: seven dred and fifty thousand dollars on the table. Uh.
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: Phil looks at me. You can appreciate this having been
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: at a poker table with some of the most uh
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: intimidating people in the world, and Phil is one of them.
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: He looks at me, dead eyed and just says, you're
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: fucking mush. And I have never felt more empty in
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: my entire life, because I was already so intimidated by
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: the guy, the most frightening subject I've ever interviewed, brilliant guy.
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: And I felt really bad. He ended up winning all
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: the money back and then some and we hop back
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: on the plane and flew to Amsterdam. Uh, and then
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: we went to Austria. It was a great trip, amazing trip.
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: That's IVY league. When you're talking about poker. Chad Millman
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: is proud of himself. Here's the prompt. Ivy League schools
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: are famously steeped in long and bizarre traditions, particularly when
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: it comes to their sports and rivalries. Please invent a
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: college sports tradition and apply it to an Ivy League program.
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: I will choose the best combination of preposterous but believable.
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: For example, all seniors on the Dark Myth men's heavyweight
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: rowing team must sport waxed handlebar mustaches in honor of
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: their first captain, who was a casualty of the Ragmuffin
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: War of Southern Brazil in the early eighteen forties. So
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: give me a preposterous but believable tradition for an Ivory
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: League school. Ryan, are you with us? I'm happy to
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: go first yet again, so so that I can bet
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: on Simon. Uh. So. Can I ask a real quick
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: follow up question to your story? Though? Did you pay
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: back that seven k win better collective bought Action Network? Uh?
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: You know what I haven't. And if Phils want to
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: come on the podcast uh, which I requested several times
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: since through his management, I'm more than happy to have
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: a conversation about it. I will say one of the
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: things that I love about gamblers is also he wanted
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: all back and it was his money Number one. Number two. Uh.
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: What I love about gamblers is there is a code.
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: Maria can certainly attested this. She knows it much better
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: than I do. No matter what the situation, real gamblers
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: will pay back any debt to anyone at any time
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: if it is owed, and they also always pick up
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: the check. But they will always pay the debt. So
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: there is a story where I've never been able to
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: ask Phill this story, but he allegedly owed someone money.
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: That person died before he was able to pay them back,
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: and he ended up paying back that person's widow. And
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: if it's felt, it's not an insignificant amount of money.
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: But I don't think I owe him seven hundred and
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: fifty thousand dollars. Well, okay, that's fair. I did some
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: research on this, and I've always been Uh, I've always
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: had a like spot in my heart for Dartmouth College
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: because I didn't learn that Dartmouth College existed until I
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: was like twenty one years old. Maybe it's from I'm
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: in a small town in Arizona, but I met a
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: young woman and she was going there, and I said, uh,
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: is of good school, and she's like, well, it's Ivy League.
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: I'm like, I felt like such an idiot, So I
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: went with Dartmouth first and I started researching. And because
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: it's by the Appalachian Trail in New Hampshire and Chad,
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: you probably know that this is your area. They have
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: a huge think the oldest Outing Club, which is a
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: hiking and outdoors person club and uh, but one thing
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: they don't, uh, people don't know a lot about is
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: that there's like some weird traditions within that outing club
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: called aping. Have you heard of this? Jet No? Okay,
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: so aping is where they go and they mess with
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: hikers on the Appalachian Trail to get higher standings in
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: the outer club. So it's kind of like with Blair
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: Witch Project. They go out and miss mess with people.
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: They wrap people up in like their sleeping bags and
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: move them and like the higher they go put some
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: in higher standing in the club. So that's the background. Actually,
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: that is my answer. Did I trick you? That doesn't
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: really exist? Oh my god, you made that up. I
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: just made that up. That was fucking good, Ryan, ha ha.
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: There is, but there's not aping. That's not a tradition,
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: Ryan Redemption time. I like it. I like it a lot, Maria.
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: Ryan did all right on that one. He did, good job, Ryan.
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: So I'm using I'm cheating a little bit because I
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: went to Harvard as an undergrad, So I'm using my
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: knowledge of our deep undergraduate traditions in this answer. And
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: I also grew up in the Boston area right next
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: to conquered right old Revolutionary America. We studied the Revolution,
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: all of the intricacies. You know, I know the first
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: person who died during the Revolution. So what people might
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: not know about Paul Revere's famous ride is that his
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: horse actually tripped at one point during the ride because
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: there was a chicken in the road, and so he
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: actually had to get a new horse to finish his
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: ride because of this fucking chicken. So anyway, this is
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: some thing that is taught in Massachusetts schools that is
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: not really taught in US history because who the hell cares,
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: But we care because this is our history and the
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: history of our town. So anyway, this is just a
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: bit of background for the Harvard Polo teams tradition. So
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: people who don't know you know polo, you ride horses,
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: and so they pay homage to Paul Revere's ride their
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: biggest match of the years against Princeton, because of course
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: Princeton has the other really good polo team, and so
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: for one week before the big match, every single member
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: of the polo team who's going to be playing has
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: to carry a chicken around campus to every single class
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: and they can't and to every meal, and if any
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: of them don't have the chicken, they basically jinx the
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: whole match. And so the campus just becomes a literal
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: ship show because you've got a bunch of chickens all
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: over campus with these huge athletes, and it's it's kind
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: of hilarious. But you know, if I were on the
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: polo team, I would take very good care of my
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: chicken because I don't want to lose. Oh my god,
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: that is so elaborate in depth, brilliant, next level as
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: a history buff who's very aware of what Abraham Lincoln's
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: nickname was. I love you brought in Paul Revere. That
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: is going to be a tough one to beat. Let's
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: see if Ryan who's appropriately jenks to Simon, Yes, I
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: can't compete with that. I had something really corny written out.
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: I'm trying to think what's the most not that Ivy
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: League people are douche but bild saying is an IVY
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: League person either tell you within two minutes or went
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: to an IVY League score. They won't tell you at all.
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: That's just how the IVY League people are. They're very
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: either they don't want people to know or they want
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: you to know right away. So it's like, listen, I'm
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: smarter than you. Let's just start off at the baseline,
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: which is true as a college dropout. Anyone I've ever
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: met that went to IV league school, they're away book
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: smarter than minute. Uh. I didn't know I was gonna
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: do something about crew, but after that answer, how can
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: I even compete? She's talking about people hair on chickens
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: for a week. That's an amazing tradition conceding. Are you
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: conceding right now? I am because I like Amy and
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: flashback in high school. To learn about like having a kid,
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: you have to carry on an egg with you for
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: a week, and that was one of the hardest weeks
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: of my life. I couldn't imagine having to carry on
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: a chicken. I'm gonna give it to her. Wow, Maria, amazing.
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: You shut down, Simon Hunter. That's never happened right now.
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: The current score, Maria has taken the lead. Ryan has
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: three points. Maria has five points. Simon has four points.
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: Here is the grand finale. The topic is famous poker hands. First,
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: you have to tell me how much you would like
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: to risk. Please close your eyes, hold up your fingers
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: with your wager amount. All right. Arguably the most famous
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: hand to poker is a pair of black aces and
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: a pair of black aids, known as the dead Man's hand.
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: The hand received this famous moniker because it was allegedly
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: the hand held by Western folk hero wild Bill Hickock
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: as he was shot dead from behind poker table in
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: eighteen seventy six. The sight of his death was a
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: small town in western South Dakota, known today as a
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: tourist attraction and gambling cub, but most famous as the
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: name of a former HBO show Vox magazine recently called
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: one of the best TV shows of all time. And
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: you could make a real argument it's the best show
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: of all time. Name this town, Maria, Deadwood, Deadwood. You
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: risked three, you had five, You now have eight. Ryan,
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: you are next. I also said Deadwood, you risked three,
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: you had three, So you were at six. Simon, I
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: know you went all in, so you were at four.
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: You've rished for. You will have eight and be tied
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: with Maria if you have the right answer. You know
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: I got that right answer, Chad. I love HBO. Deadwood.
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: Deadwood is the answer. So now we have a tie.
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: I'm over three and overtime, so you should be feeling
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: pretty good now. Matt Mitchell, please take our contestants into
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: seven deaths. Hello, welcome to the Favorite Thursday Thunderdome Sudden
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: Death Challenge. As always, Prices Right, rules apply closest without
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: going over. As usual, Simon will go first, and I
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: will lose in honor of Maria kind of covers childhood
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: in Massachusetts and her prior answer without going over. What
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: was the total distance of Paul Revere's famous ride in miles?
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: I will go with two seventy five. I will say
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: one hundred and ten. I have no idea Ryan, have
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: you ever watched the Prices Right? Yes, when someone goes
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: or you think someone might have gone over, what do
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: you say in that situation? You say one dollar? It
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: was twelve. It was twelve and a half miles, but
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: not closer. That's all it was was twelve miles. I've
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: never seen prices right, It's kind of cool. It was
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: like said one mile, right, that's not a lot of
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  Speaker 1: miles in honor of the IVY League closest to the
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