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Speaker 1: Line from the sky You Center. This is the Kenny Report.
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Speaker 2: Thanks for joining me. Tonight the Royal Commission into Anti Semitism.
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Speaker 3: Gets under way.
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Speaker 2: I'll tell you what's missing in this inquiry and the
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Speaker 2: government's approach, and I'll preview tonight's powerful documentary on the
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Speaker 2: Bondai terror attack. Former Treasurer Peter Costello outlines the dramatic
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Speaker 2: deterioration in the federal fiscal situation and why labor we'll
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Speaker 2: be looking to increase taxes.
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Speaker 3: Shadow Finance Minister Claire Chandler joins me. I'll check in.
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Speaker 2: On Donald Trump's tariff storm and the snowstorm in the
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Speaker 2: US with Kristen Tate, plus Tim Blair, Susio O'Brien and
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Speaker 2: Stephen Senna Tiempo on all of that, plus patriotism in
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Speaker 2: our schools.
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Speaker 3: It's now seventy two.
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Speaker 2: Days since Australia's worst terror attack, when fifteen innocent people
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Speaker 2: were slaughtered and dozens more were injured at a Hunnaker
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Speaker 2: event at Bondi Beach. This was the manifestation, according to
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Speaker 2: police statements, allegations and charges, a manifestation of vile antisemitism
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Speaker 2: born from Islamist extremism. Today a federal Royal Commission into
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Speaker 2: Anti Semitism began its work with a public hearing outlining
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Speaker 2: its plans. Initially strongly resisted by Anthony Alberizi, the commission.
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Speaker 3: Was called after weeks of public pressure on the Prime Minister.
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Speaker 2: The Royal Commission aims to report by December the fourteenth
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Speaker 2: this year, the first anniversary of the Bondai massacre. Here's
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Speaker 2: the Council assisting today.
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Speaker 1: A large part of the work of this Commission will
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Speaker 1: be to present evidence to allow a broader understanding of
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Speaker 1: the scourge of antisemitism, its nature and prevalence throughout Australian society,
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Speaker 1: and its impact on the lives of fellow Australians. Through
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Speaker 1: that understanding, there may be opportunities to improveisher.
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Speaker 2: Former High Court Judge Virginia Bell warned that the Commission
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Speaker 2: will avoid examining the actual alleged criminal acts at Bondai,
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Speaker 2: because while one of the governments, sergeib Akram, was killed
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Speaker 2: by police on the day, his son Navid, who was
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Speaker 2: also shot, survived and is in custody awaiting murder and
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Speaker 2: terrorism charges. The Royal Commission doesn't want to prejudice those proceedings.
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Speaker 2: The Commissioner will meet with surviving victims and the families
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Speaker 2: of victims to further explain this reasoning, while the Commission's
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Speaker 2: broader purpose, of course, will continue.
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Speaker 4: Hopefully address the real issue, which is anti Semitism and
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Speaker 4: the change in Australia as to why Australian Jews have
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Speaker 4: all of a sudden in the last few years had
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Speaker 4: to fear for our safety.
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Speaker 2: As you know, this is the critical point that I
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Speaker 2: and others have focused on for more than two years.
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Speaker 3: In the lead up to the Bondai attack.
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Speaker 2: We pointed to rampant antisemitism and hate preaching from Islamist
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Speaker 2: extremists that flashed to the surface immediately after the Hummus
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Speaker 2: terrorist atrocities in southern Israel on October seventh, twenty twenty three,
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Speaker 2: and they.
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Speaker 3: Just have not stopped.
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Speaker 2: Many of us were calling for stronger action from the
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Speaker 2: government from the very start. We were calling for stronger
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Speaker 2: leadership from the government and law enforcement authorities to stab
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Speaker 2: out antisemitism, to quell the demonization of Israel, and to
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Speaker 2: curb Islamist extremism. Instead, the government appointed envoys for antisemitism
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Speaker 2: and Islamophobia. It constantly criticized Israel and it recognized the
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Speaker 2: non existent state of Palestine, a decision that one praise
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Speaker 2: from the bloodthirsty Islamist.
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Speaker 3: Extremists of Hummus.
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Speaker 2: A key question for the Royal Commission must be whether
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Speaker 2: the government should have done more, which is what Andrew
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Speaker 2: Clanel put to the Prime Minister on the weekend.
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Speaker 5: Well, we'll have a Royal Commission, Andrew, but what we
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Speaker 5: know already is that this was a father and son
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Speaker 5: acting in the equivalents of a lone wolf, in this case,
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Speaker 5: people having a conversation over the kitchen table. They hired
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Speaker 5: a place in Campsey so that they could engage separate
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Speaker 5: from the community in which they lived. They went and
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Speaker 5: hired a place down in the Southern Highlands where they
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Speaker 5: trained themselves. They were radicalized online. It is very difficult,
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Speaker 5: as Asia have said, to intervene where there's no electronic trail,
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Speaker 5: where there's no warning signs of me.
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Speaker 6: I went to the Philippines and he'd previously be on
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Speaker 6: a watch list. Does any of that say to you
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Speaker 6: Asio might have failed here.
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Speaker 3: Listen, Andrew.
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Speaker 5: What's appropriate is that the Royal Commission be allowed to
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Speaker 5: do its job, and they will do their job.
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Speaker 2: We'll see When you listen to Alberan Ezy and his
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Speaker 2: Home Affairs Minister Tony Burke speak on these issues, the
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Speaker 2: term you will almost never hear is Islamist extremism or
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Speaker 2: radical Islam. They differ instead to the generic, and in
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Speaker 2: my view, deceptive, broader term of anti Semitism. Now, sure,
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Speaker 2: there are different forms of antisemitism, and they all need
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Speaker 2: to be tackled, including the obscene rise of neo Nazi thugs.
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Speaker 2: But the serious threat across the world in recent decades,
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Speaker 2: the ideology that has cost so many lives in Israel,
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Speaker 2: in the wider Middle East, in Southeast Asia, across Europe
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Speaker 2: and the UK, and in the Americas is Islamist extremism.
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Speaker 2: We all know that, and our Prime Minister and his
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Speaker 2: ministers won't mention its name. It is the deadly threat
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Speaker 2: in this country whose name the government dares not speak.
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Speaker 2: Nor is Islamist extremism mentioned in the terms of reference
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Speaker 2: for the Royal Commission. It mentions Jewish Australians, the Jewish
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Speaker 2: community and Jewish places of worship and facilities, but nearly
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Speaker 2: a mention of the clearest and most present threat against
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Speaker 2: them Islamist extremism. The Commission prefers to speak about religious extremism.
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Speaker 7: It requires the Commission to investigate the nature and prevalence
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Speaker 7: of anti Semitism in institutions and society by examining its
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Speaker 7: key drivers in Australia, including religious and ideologically motivated extremism
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Speaker 7: and radicalization.
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Speaker 2: Like the politicians they are oh so KOI aren't they,
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Speaker 2: Let me give you the strong tip. They are not
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Speaker 2: going to focus on extreme Catholicism, or radical Buddhists or
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Speaker 2: ideologically motivated Methodists. This avoidance of even mentioning the main problem,
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Speaker 2: the main ideological driver of violence against Jews and against
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Speaker 2: all victims of terrorism in Western liberal democracies, well, it's
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Speaker 2: deeply worrying. I've spoken about this for almost two decades.
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Speaker 2: I've called it jihad denihalism, and my argument is that
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Speaker 2: you can't confront a dire threat if you're too timid
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Speaker 2: even to say it out loud. We've had the Balley bombings,
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Speaker 2: We've had the Lint Cafe siege, we've had terrorist killings
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Speaker 2: at Paramatta and we've had them in the suburbs of Melbourne.
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Speaker 2: And we've had large scale Islamist terrorist plots thwarted on
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Speaker 2: ours and guess what. While our political, cultural, law enforcement
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Speaker 2: and media elits have tried to skirt around the issue
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Speaker 2: of Islamist extremism for the past two decades or more,
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Speaker 2: it's only gotten worse.
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Speaker 3: Now.
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Speaker 2: Anyone can make a submission to the Royal Commission via
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Speaker 2: its website, and I urge anyone with experience or insights
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Speaker 2: into these issues to do that. Don't let them whitewash
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Speaker 2: what has been the slow motion train wreck of escalating
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Speaker 2: Islamist extremism in this country, especially over the past two
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Speaker 2: years and four months. Finally, we need to tackle it
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Speaker 2: now on the horrors of Bondai. The Royal Commissions opening
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Speaker 2: coincides with the airing tonight of the brilliant Sky News
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Speaker 2: documentary on this tragic event in our nation's history, Bondai
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Speaker 2: Timeline of Terror, on at seven point thirty tonight. It's
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Speaker 2: reported and hosted by Sharry Markson, who not only of course,
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Speaker 2: has focused on the rising threats against Jewish Australians for
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Speaker 2: the past twenty eight months. She was also there at
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Speaker 2: Bondi the night of the attack on December the fourteenth
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Speaker 2: last year, and did, has done and continues to do
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Speaker 2: incredible reporting on it since then her documentary won't be
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Speaker 2: for the faint hearted. It'll show you the horror and
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Speaker 2: you'll also hear about the acts of hero hero isn't
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Speaker 2: it that hadn't been revealed before?
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Speaker 3: And one of them is Elon.
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Speaker 2: He was at this happy family Hunnaker event with his
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Speaker 2: family when gunfire broke out. He shielded his children with
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Speaker 2: his body and he took six bullets.
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Speaker 3: I had a thought that I didn't want to die
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Speaker 3: in front of my kids. I didn't want them to
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Speaker 3: have that lifelong memory.
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Speaker 8: So I managed to crawl away on my back, and
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Speaker 8: so you crawed away so they wouldn't have to see
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Speaker 8: their dad die.
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Speaker 4: With whatever energy I had left, And here is Ellen
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Speaker 4: under live fire.
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Speaker 3: You can see his knees.
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Speaker 9: He's shuffling away on his back.
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Speaker 2: This is a must watch seven point thirty tonight Bondai
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Speaker 2: Timeline of Terror with Shari Markson.
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Speaker 3: I'll be watching. I know it's going to be tough,
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Speaker 3: but as I.
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Speaker 2: Was just saying, you can't defeat evil until you talk
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Speaker 2: about it and know about it. The issue of Islamic
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Speaker 2: state families returning to Australia also relates to the threat
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Speaker 2: of Islamist extremism and terrorism in this country. Of course,
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Speaker 2: let's be clear, the so called ISIS brides and their
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Speaker 2: husbands were part of a radical Islamist caliphate that took
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Speaker 2: the barbarity of Islamist extremism to unprecedented levels. And the
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Speaker 2: thirty four people seeking to come to Australia have spent
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Speaker 2: the past years in camps full of former is and
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Speaker 2: miss Islamic State people, camps specifically built to detain former
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Speaker 2: Islamic State or ISIS operatives and their families. But our
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Speaker 2: government is blocking only one of the women under a
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Speaker 2: temporary exclusion order, and it.
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Speaker 3: Refuses to block the others, all the.
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Speaker 2: While telling us it's doing nothing to help them, which
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Speaker 2: is odd because we heard yesterday from the New South
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Speaker 2: Wales labor premier that his government had been in talks
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Speaker 2: with the federal government for at least two months about
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Speaker 2: services needed when these people return, and today similar revelations
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Speaker 2: from Victoria.
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Speaker 9: Now, I will say that our officials are engaged with
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Speaker 9: Commonwealth officials as is appropriate, but I'm not going to
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Speaker 9: go into detail of those discussions at this stage because
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Speaker 9: that would not be appropriate. Citizens have rights, but so
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Speaker 9: too do the citizens of Victoria. Have their right to
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Speaker 9: have their community safety protected, which is why I will
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Speaker 9: work through these matters appropriately through officials.
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Speaker 2: Yet still the alban Easy government keeps telling us they're
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Speaker 2: not helping the Isis families return. Well, they've supplied passports
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Speaker 2: and travel documents, so apart from the passports and travel documents,
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Speaker 2: and apart from organizing services like housing and education with
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Speaker 2: the States, apart from that, it's done nothing to help them. Oh,
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Speaker 2: it's also made clear that it won't be stopping them.
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Speaker 10: Are you actively trying to stop them coming back?
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Speaker 1: Then?
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Speaker 11: Oh, we don't want them to come back.
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Speaker 3: But are you actively trying to stop them?
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Speaker 11: We're actively making sure we do nothing to help them,
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Speaker 11: nothing to help them at all.
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Speaker 3: The only reason there is stop them is the question,
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Speaker 3: I beg your pardon. Nothing to stop them? Well, you can't.
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Speaker 3: Other than a temporary exclusion order.
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Speaker 11: There isn't a legislative power to be able to stop
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Speaker 11: an Australian citizen from entering Australias.
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Speaker 2: Despite these claims of impotence from the government, opposition calls
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Speaker 2: are only getting stronger.
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Speaker 1: I don't believe the Liberal National Party doesn't believe that
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Speaker 1: these Isis brides should come back. They've been involved with
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Speaker 1: a terrorist organization.
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Speaker 11: But it's not as simple as putting them in our
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Speaker 11: schools when they come here.
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Speaker 3: These children will need extra support.
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Speaker 9: They have not had an Aussie upbringing, they did not
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Speaker 9: learn our values.
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Speaker 12: They have potentially been subject.
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Speaker 1: To deep trauma.
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Speaker 9: They need special care, not just simply popping them into
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Speaker 9: our schools in our communities in Sydney.
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Speaker 2: And of course saw This plays directly into the ongoing
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Speaker 2: immigration debate, which has become more robust since the change
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Speaker 2: of federal opposition leader. A couple of former senior Liberals
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Speaker 2: had their say today.
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Speaker 13: Howard government was at the forefront of ensuring that when
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Speaker 13: it came to protecting our borders, we treated it as
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Speaker 13: an issue of self defense. I think we need to
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Speaker 13: treat our leads legal immigration program now as a matter
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Speaker 13: of self defense, and that is a big mind shift, and.
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Speaker 3: We need to move.
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Speaker 13: To a immigration policy which does discriminate. It discriminates on
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Speaker 13: the basis of what's in the national interest and that
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Speaker 13: is the type of person that we want in this country.
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Speaker 13: It's not a right to come to this country. It's
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Speaker 13: a privilege to come to this country, and we need
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Speaker 13: to emphasize that we have imported division.
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Speaker 14: I think that it's very difficult for someone who believes,
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Speaker 14: for instance, in a caliphate, or in Sharia law, or
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Speaker 14: for instance, in the leading role of the Communist Party.
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Speaker 14: It's very difficult for someone who sincerely believes that to
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Speaker 14: honestly subscribe to the Australian Citizenship oath. So yes, I
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Speaker 14: do think we have to.
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Speaker 15: Have a big reconsideration of an immigration program, and I
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Speaker 15: think there's got to be a lot more focus on
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Speaker 15: Australian values and a lot more focus on our national interest.
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Speaker 3: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: The point here is that for decades we've talked about
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Speaker 2: this country having a non discriminatory immigration policy. Now that's
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Speaker 2: a repudiation of the old wide Australia policy and it's
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Speaker 2: fair enough. Of course, it means we should not discriminate
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Speaker 2: against people on the basis of race or ethnic background.
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Speaker 2: But that doesn't mean it's a free for rule. As
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Speaker 2: we saw with the people smuggling boats. If you're too soft,
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Speaker 2: you lose all control over who comes to your country
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Speaker 2: and how many turn up.
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Speaker 3: We need to be discriminating.
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Speaker 2: Sure, keep our non discriminatory approach when it comes to
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Speaker 2: respect for all peoples, but we should be very discriminating
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Speaker 2: about which individuals are given. What is a golden ticket
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Speaker 2: in life, the privilege of living in this great country.
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Speaker 2: Let's go to Melbourne and catch up with Joel Bernie
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Speaker 2: from the Australia Israel and Jewish Affairs Council.
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Speaker 3: We're good to talk to you again, Joela.
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Speaker 2: I want to hear first up what your reaction is
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Speaker 2: to the opening of the Royal Commission and the exclusion
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Speaker 2: if you like, from the Royal Commissioner, where she's saying
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Speaker 2: they won't look at the alleged criminal activities of the day,
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Speaker 2: what actually happened on the day, because she doesn't want
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Speaker 2: to prejudice any criminal trial.
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Speaker 10: Well, thanks for having me on, Chris. And it was
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Speaker 10: a very important day with the opening session of this
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Speaker 10: Royal Commission for the Australian Jewish community. But it was
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Speaker 10: also a very important day for Australia, as you've been
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Speaker 10: correctly reporting for many, many years, but most importantly since
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Speaker 10: the horrific events of October seven, twenty twenty three, the
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Speaker 10: Australian Jewish community has been completely besieged with an explosion
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Speaker 10: of anti Semitism, something that is certainly not in our
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Speaker 10: nation's character and most of us in this great country
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Speaker 10: of ours know to be an Australian. So in terms
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Speaker 10: of an opening day and the opening address by Commissioner
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Speaker 10: Bell and senior Counsel assisting, obviously very procedural, but things
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Speaker 10: to be seen to be on foot and going in
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Speaker 10: the right direction. So there's certainly encouragement in that. On
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Speaker 10: the point of not prejudicing the criminal trial, we did
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Speaker 10: know that that was one of Justice Bells or Commissioner
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Speaker 10: Bell's expertise and criminal law to make sure that there
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Speaker 10: was that legal separation between the two. We obviously wouldn't
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Speaker 10: want any prejudice to the criminal case that is on foot.
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Speaker 10: So if these are the parameters that the Commissioner has set,
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Speaker 10: then we will definitely abide by them.
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Speaker 2: Okay, let's have a little look at a little more
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Speaker 2: of what Commissioner Virginia Bell had to say.
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Speaker 7: Against the background of the massacre of innocent people who
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Speaker 7: appear to have been targeted simply because they were Jewish.
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Speaker 7: I trust everyone will appreciate the focus of this commission
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Speaker 7: will be on tackling anti Semitism as a starting point
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Speaker 7: in strengthening our bonds of social cohesion.
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Speaker 2: There's talk of anti Semitism. There's talk about religious extremism.
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Speaker 3: Do you think it's a worry that they failed.
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Speaker 2: To specifically identify Islamist extremism given that is the very
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Speaker 2: real threat, the main threat that you're dealing with.
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Speaker 10: Not really at this stage, Chris and I think that
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Speaker 10: the proof will be in the putting over the next
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Speaker 10: couple of months, where the Commission actually gets to its work.
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Speaker 3: I think that it would be.
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Speaker 10: Highly unlikely that a considerable focus is not put on
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Speaker 10: the main drivers of anti Semitism in this country, which
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Speaker 10: is no doubt obviously coming from multiple sections, but mostly
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Speaker 10: and most profoundly by Islamist elements in our country. But
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Speaker 10: also with this unholy alliance of the intersectionalized left, organized
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Speaker 10: left and socialist left in our country that has made
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Speaker 10: an alliance with Islamist elements to continue to spew their
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Speaker 10: violent rhetoric on the streets of Australia that ultimately led
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Speaker 10: to the atmosphere that caused the horrific events on the
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Speaker 10: fourteenth of December. So I have no doubt that the
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Speaker 10: Commission will be looking in all drivers of systemic antisemitism
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Speaker 10: in Australia, and you cannot look at all those drivers
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Speaker 10: all the main drivers without looking at Islamist inspired extremism.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I've got no doubt they'll look at it. They'll
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Speaker 3: have to look at it extensively.
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Speaker 2: But just I find it very instructive that they feel very,
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Speaker 2: very reluctant to even utter its name at the outset.
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Speaker 2: Thanks for joining us again, Joel. I appreciate it, Joel.
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Speaker 2: Bernie there from Ajack. And before we move on to
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Speaker 2: other issues, I just want to remind you, of course,
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Speaker 2: Cherry Markson's got the untold story of the Bondai massacre
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Speaker 2: here at seven thirty tonight Bondai a Timeline of Terror
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Speaker 2: seven thirty pm on Sky News, or we can download
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Speaker 2: the app and watch it live as well. Now let's
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Speaker 2: move on to matters economic. As a nation, I don't
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Speaker 2: think we're focused enough on our precarious economic situation. We've
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Speaker 2: turned to prosperous, productive and debt free national economy very
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Speaker 2: quickly into one with sluggish productivity, record debt, and a
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Speaker 2: series of cost crunches, especially.
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Speaker 3: In energy and housing. When will the wake up come?
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Speaker 2: Not till we hit rock bottom or run into a disaster,
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Speaker 2: Let's hope not. Former Federal Treasurer Peter Costello has stepped
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Speaker 2: back into the fray today with a speech.
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Speaker 3: On our economic outlook. He's trying to wake.
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Speaker 2: Us all up, and he's drawn attention to what should
20:39
Speaker 2: be blindingly obvious. He's shown us what's happened to tax
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Speaker 2: spending and debt since the Howard government and his time
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Speaker 2: as treasure came to an end back in two thousand
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Speaker 2: and seven.
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Speaker 3: You can see on the left in this craft that
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Speaker 3: we've all been hit with.
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Speaker 2: An extra three thousand dollars tax each year in real terms,
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Speaker 2: and next to that on the right you can see
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Speaker 2: the government spending has risen even higher, and extra six
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Speaker 2: thousand dollars or more a year of spending per capita
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Speaker 2: in real terms, and then stretched along the bottom, you
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Speaker 2: can see that when it comes to debt, instead of
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Speaker 2: having money in the bank as a country, as we
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Speaker 2: did in two thousand and seven, we now have nearly
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Speaker 2: twenty thousand dollars of debt for every man, woman and
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Speaker 2: child in this country.
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Speaker 3: It's a stark situation.
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Speaker 2: Tax per capita up, government spending up even more, and
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Speaker 2: record debt are trillion dollars, which means more taxation to come.
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Speaker 16: The government's softening people up for higher Texas right, and
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Speaker 16: this is why capital gains tax is now being discussed.
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Speaker 16: Why tax per person has been rising, We've never been
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Speaker 16: raising as much, so why do we need a new
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Speaker 16: tax rise. It's because spending has risen so much faster.
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Speaker 3: Let's go to the new shadow of Finance.
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Speaker 2: So Claire chan LaClaire, thanks for joining us, and congratulations
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Speaker 2: on your promotion. It's a job you wouldn't what when
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Speaker 2: you listen to all those facts and figures.
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Speaker 11: It's certainly a job that makes you realize just how
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Speaker 11: big the problem is. Chris, and as Peter Costello has
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Speaker 11: outlined in his piece today, Australia is sitting on an
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Speaker 11: almost trillion dollar government debt bomb. It's going to tick
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Speaker 11: over to a trillion dollars at some point in the
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Speaker 11: next few months, and it's going to be my generation
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Speaker 11: and those Australians who are younger than me that will
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Speaker 11: be paying back that debt bomb, like mister Costello said,
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Speaker 11: most likely through higher taxes. And I think the really
22:42
Speaker 11: concerning thing here is that there is clearly no strategy,
22:46
Speaker 11: no fiscal discipline from the alban Easy government to tackle
22:50
Speaker 11: this ticking debt bomb. So it's something I will be
22:53
Speaker 11: looking at very carefully in my new role as Shadow
22:56
Speaker 11: Finance Minister, because I didn't get into politics to saddle
23:00
Speaker 11: my generation and younger Australians with a debt that we
23:03
Speaker 11: can't afford to repay.
23:05
Speaker 3: It's a very difficult problem to solve though.
23:07
Speaker 2: The easier side, which is difficult enough, is ensuring the
23:10
Speaker 2: economy is efficient and effective and making it as productive
23:14
Speaker 2: as possible so that we grow our way out of
23:17
Speaker 2: a debt situation. But even then you can't avoid the
23:20
Speaker 2: spending problem, and we have a massive government spending problem,
23:25
Speaker 2: which means.
23:26
Speaker 3: You as an opposition have the toughest job of.
23:29
Speaker 2: Them all, that is trying to get into government by
23:31
Speaker 2: promising spending cuts. Where are we going to save the
23:35
Speaker 2: billions of dollars in recurrent spending that we need to save.
23:41
Speaker 11: Well, I think there's no question Chris, that there is
23:43
Speaker 11: wasteful government spending occurring, and that government spending is at
23:46
Speaker 11: a level that is unsustainable and is not helping grow
23:50
Speaker 11: the economy in a natural and normal way. So my
23:54
Speaker 11: role as Shadow Finance Minister, and I think the entire
23:57
Speaker 11: Shadow Ministries role will be going through each government department
24:01
Speaker 11: line by line and identifying where that wasteful spending is
24:04
Speaker 11: occurring and where better value for taxpayer money can be delivered,
24:09
Speaker 11: because that has to be our focus now is being
24:11
Speaker 11: very sensible and very physically responsible in looking at how
24:16
Speaker 11: tax payer money is being spent in this country.
24:19
Speaker 2: Well, just to give you some encouragement, I want to
24:21
Speaker 2: show you something that I believe suggests that there is
24:24
Speaker 2: room to cut there. Have a look at this exchange
24:26
Speaker 2: with the current Finance Minister Katie Gallaghan.
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Speaker 17: So you're saying that's nets of spending decisions you reduced
24:35
Speaker 17: expendsits of one hundred and fourteen billion.
24:39
Speaker 18: It's a gross figure.
24:41
Speaker 3: That's gross, right, What is the net figure?
24:45
Speaker 12: I don't have that available.
24:47
Speaker 3: Is it positive or negative?
24:50
Speaker 12: Well, I just don't have that figure.
24:56
Speaker 3: She has no idea.
24:57
Speaker 2: But what's telling about that is Katie Gallagher was trying
24:59
Speaker 2: to just they'd made one hundred and fourteen billion dollars
25:02
Speaker 2: of savings. That's one hundred and fourteen billion dollars that
25:05
Speaker 2: they were going to spend on certain areas, and they didn't.
25:07
Speaker 2: The problem is they spent another one hundred and forty elsewhere.
25:11
Speaker 3: So we went backwards.
25:12
Speaker 2: But if labor could find one hundred and fourteen billion
25:15
Speaker 2: dollars of stuff that didn't need to spend money on.
25:18
Speaker 2: Then surely you should be able to do the same
25:20
Speaker 2: and just refrain from the extra spending that more than
25:23
Speaker 2: makes up for it.
25:26
Speaker 11: I think that's right, Chris. And look, that is painful
25:30
Speaker 11: viewing for Australians. I've had an awful lot of feedback
25:32
Speaker 11: on my colleagues Senator Patterson's questioning of the Finance minister there,
25:36
Speaker 11: and I don't think her response does pass the pub
25:39
Speaker 11: test in terms of what Australians expect from government ministers
25:42
Speaker 11: when they show up to the estimates table. But yes,
25:46
Speaker 11: I mean, obviously government needs to be capable and willing
25:50
Speaker 11: to make the difficult decisions and make the savings when
25:54
Speaker 11: they're sitting around the Expenditure Review Committee table or the
25:57
Speaker 11: cabinet table. And they also need to be willing to
26:00
Speaker 11: know to their colleagues when there are suggestions for spending
26:03
Speaker 11: that aren't going to achieve, like I was saying earlier,
26:06
Speaker 11: good value for money on taxpayer dollars. So it takes
26:09
Speaker 11: a real discipline to do that. I don't think that
26:11
Speaker 11: discipline exists within the Albanesi government. In fact, their budget
26:14
Speaker 11: bottom line suggests that it does not exist.
26:17
Speaker 2: Yeah, it sure does not. Now, just on another issue,
26:20
Speaker 2: if you issue, if you don't mind it. I don't
26:22
Speaker 2: know if there's a coalition position on this or whether
26:24
Speaker 2: I just get your personal view let me know which
26:26
Speaker 2: it is. But Anthony Albanezi is urging the UK government
26:32
Speaker 2: now to cut the form of Prince Andrew from the
26:36
Speaker 2: line of succession. We'll see what the Starma government does
26:39
Speaker 2: in the UK, and Australia would have to accord with
26:42
Speaker 2: that as a Commonwealth nation. Does the coalition support that move?
26:46
Speaker 2: Do you think it's time to give old Prince Andrew
26:49
Speaker 2: the punt?
26:52
Speaker 11: Look, Obviously, there is a legal process that is underway
26:56
Speaker 11: in relation to Andrew Batton Windsor, and I think mister
27:00
Speaker 11: Starmer has been clear. Indeed, I think mister Albinisi was
27:03
Speaker 11: clear in his letter to mister Starmer as well that
27:06
Speaker 11: that process will run its course. But if the accusations
27:11
Speaker 11: that have been leveled against Andrew mount Baton Windsor do
27:15
Speaker 11: turn out to be true, then I think it would
27:17
Speaker 11: be fair that we would follow the UK's lead and
27:20
Speaker 11: that in making that decision, obviously, alongside all other Commonwealth nations.
27:24
Speaker 11: I note that Christopher Luxe and the Prime Minister of
27:26
Speaker 11: New Zealand, made similar comments along those lines.
27:29
Speaker 2: He has, indeed, he has, indeed, thanks so much for
27:31
Speaker 2: joining us, Claire, I appreciate it. Claire Channel there, who
27:33
Speaker 2: is the Liberal Senator for Tasmania and is now the
27:37
Speaker 2: shadow of Finance Minister.
27:38
Speaker 3: On the mount Baton.
27:39
Speaker 2: Windsor stuff I heard from a friend a family with
27:43
Speaker 2: the surname Windsor today. They said, well, I wish people
27:45
Speaker 2: would just call him Andrew mount Batton, not Baton Windsor.
27:50
Speaker 2: We're going to get to a break on the other side,
27:52
Speaker 2: Tim Blair joins me. He's going to tell us why
27:54
Speaker 2: Chris Bowen's electric vehicle dream is crashing. Let's check in
28:04
Speaker 2: with Tim Blair to make some sense of what's going on.
28:06
Speaker 3: Good to catch up.
28:07
Speaker 2: With you, Tim, I hope you're will love your column
28:10
Speaker 2: about electric vehicles. No matter how much spin and how
28:14
Speaker 2: much they promise, they're just not doing so well in
28:18
Speaker 2: practical terms.
28:20
Speaker 17: And they never will. You know, They're they're up against
28:23
Speaker 17: an impressive folk called the laws of physics. That's always
28:26
Speaker 17: a bit of a bit of a tough under defeat
28:28
Speaker 17: and full marks in a way to our environment Environment
28:33
Speaker 17: Minister Bowen for all the time putting on such a
28:36
Speaker 17: brave face, and you know he's out there opening these
28:38
Speaker 17: great new recharges and cheering about how rapidly they will
28:43
Speaker 17: they will recharge an EV. But all of that is
28:46
Speaker 17: always solving a problem that doesn't exist. You know, they're like,
28:49
Speaker 17: you know, I mean, it is an impressive feat. It
28:52
Speaker 17: is technologically an impressive feat. To recharge an EV in
28:56
Speaker 17: eighteen minutes or twenty minutes or whatever they've got it
28:58
Speaker 17: down to. That is impressive. But you can refuel the
29:02
Speaker 17: car in four minutes, two minutes, three minutes. It's like,
29:06
Speaker 17: it's also very impressive to hop all the way along
29:08
Speaker 17: Adelaide Rundle Mall just on one foot topic, that's really impressive.
29:13
Speaker 17: That's a great, great event.
29:14
Speaker 3: Why not walk? I think I did it. I think
29:18
Speaker 3: I hopped once and I bumped.
29:20
Speaker 1: Into the mall's balls.
29:22
Speaker 2: Now, as you mentioned that, the big thing at the
29:24
Speaker 2: moment is chargers. So Bowen is spending millions of dollars
29:29
Speaker 2: of our money subsidizing charging stations around the country so
29:34
Speaker 2: that he can carriage more EV users, and he promises
29:37
Speaker 2: they're they're bee's knees, But a couple of YouTubers have
29:41
Speaker 2: been testing this out.
29:42
Speaker 3: Let's have a look at how it turned out for them.
29:45
Speaker 3: Do you just gain this from your phone?
29:47
Speaker 2: Came run that'll take you to that poor in this
29:49
Speaker 2: copy sas Port, Tucson and that one.
29:51
Speaker 3: Okay, cool, thank you, I'm glad he was that hell great, Okay, thanks.
29:55
Speaker 1: For helping up continue payment price.
30:01
Speaker 3: I'm glad you're he to help me. I'm all right, Tim,
30:06
Speaker 3: you've pointed us to this.
30:10
Speaker 2: Couple in the way they've been testing out the system
30:12
Speaker 2: and how much it's costing and how slow it is.
30:15
Speaker 3: Here's a little bit more of how they went.
30:17
Speaker 7: Fifty four bucks can charge as quickly, I'm pretty certain,
30:21
Speaker 7: because it was like, where are you going to find
30:22
Speaker 7: a charger in Australia that can do that?
30:25
Speaker 17: They're starting to roll out they're coming, thankfully.
30:29
Speaker 2: So well, it didn't happen as quickly or as cheaply
30:32
Speaker 2: as they were hoping.
30:34
Speaker 17: These things never go according to hell. I I mean
30:36
Speaker 17: by the way that couple that they run a YouTube
30:38
Speaker 17: channel it's all about EV's they've been running it for years.
30:40
Speaker 17: But they show up at this latest new great charger
30:44
Speaker 17: and they run the same problem that every EV newbie
30:47
Speaker 17: always hits, which is how the hell do I pay
30:49
Speaker 17: for this? It's always I don't have the right app,
30:51
Speaker 17: my app won't engaged properly. And these are people who
30:55
Speaker 17: are probably you know, in the top one percent of
30:57
Speaker 17: Australians who have expertise and evs and even they hit
31:01
Speaker 17: that wall. So what hope do the rest of us have?
31:04
Speaker 2: Well, I had a friend I think Jemmatoniti told us
31:07
Speaker 2: about it on air at one stage when she had
31:10
Speaker 2: a short lived experiment of owning and driving an EV.
31:13
Speaker 2: She went to turn up at one of these charges
31:15
Speaker 2: and she didn't have a phone signal. Because she didn't
31:18
Speaker 2: have the phone signal.
31:20
Speaker 3: She couldn't use the charger. They need to sort this
31:22
Speaker 3: stuff out now.
31:24
Speaker 2: I just got to get your.
31:25
Speaker 3: Thoughts on the ABC. We're told that ABC journalists have
31:28
Speaker 3: won the right.
31:29
Speaker 2: To strike now because they want to hire pay increase
31:33
Speaker 2: than ten percent of the next three years.
31:35
Speaker 3: Might be a good thing if some of them go
31:37
Speaker 3: on strike.
31:38
Speaker 17: I'm all in favor of it. Go for it, boys
31:41
Speaker 17: and girls. Go on strike for as long as you can,
31:43
Speaker 17: just to let's see how long. Let's make it an experiment.
31:46
Speaker 17: Let's see how long it takes before there's a public
31:48
Speaker 17: public uprising demanding the return of their favorite ABC shows,
31:52
Speaker 17: because I'm inclined to bet that would be in the
31:55
Speaker 17: longish range, like maybe six twelve years before had motivated,
32:00
Speaker 17: and it'd be all all the protests. I guarantee they'd
32:03
Speaker 17: be like, we want more Midsummer murders.
32:05
Speaker 3: That would be it.
32:06
Speaker 2: That would be it, not not we're sick of watching
32:09
Speaker 2: full interviews. We want the malicious ABC.
32:12
Speaker 17: Edits absolutely no, seriously, like they should go for it.
32:18
Speaker 17: I think they by attempting to strike or going through
32:23
Speaker 17: so far down this path, I think they overestimate their
32:27
Speaker 17: market importance. Let's say that it will be good. It
32:29
Speaker 17: will be good to good experiment fully realize that.
32:32
Speaker 2: Yes, thanks for joining us, Tim, We'll catch you later
32:34
Speaker 2: in the week with Martin Nicholson.
32:35
Speaker 3: On a Thursday, we're going to get to a break.
32:36
Speaker 2: On the other side, we're going to check in on
32:38
Speaker 2: Donald Trump's tariff storm and the snowstorm in the US
32:41
Speaker 2: with Kristen Tate. Now, the tariff shambles isn't the only
32:50
Speaker 2: storm on the horizon in the US at the moment.
32:53
Speaker 2: The East Coast has been hit by a massive snowstorm,
32:56
Speaker 2: leaving more than six hundred thousand homes without power, counting
33:00
Speaker 2: grounding at.
33:01
Speaker 3: Least five thousand flights.
33:03
Speaker 2: I'll talk to US analyst Kristen Tate in the moment,
33:06
Speaker 2: but he's an update first from Fox News.
33:10
Speaker 18: Snow across the Northeast already being measured in feet as
33:14
Speaker 18: this blizzard continues to pummel the region. The heavy and
33:17
Speaker 18: dense snow, combined with high winds of up to sixty
33:20
Speaker 18: miles per hour, have also left more than six hundred
33:24
Speaker 18: thousand without power. Still, many were out and joined the
33:27
Speaker 18: winter wonderland, including in New York Central Park and Times Square.
33:32
Speaker 2: We've been down to this Time Square this morning in
33:35
Speaker 2: the middle of the boat in for shower.
33:37
Speaker 12: We can take it on sin and not believing we
33:39
Speaker 12: could do it.
33:41
Speaker 3: That is some weather, isn't it.
33:42
Speaker 2: Kristen Tate's been in Boston and she now in New Hampshire,
33:46
Speaker 2: so I asked for her assessment.
33:49
Speaker 12: This has been an absolutely epic snowstorm for the East Coast. Interestingly,
33:54
Speaker 12: it kind of hit New York and Connecticut and Rhode
33:57
Speaker 12: Island the worst. I read that in Newport, Rhode Island,
34:01
Speaker 12: they got the most snow on record for any single day.
34:04
Speaker 12: My poor mother lives in Cape Cod full time in Massachusetts.
34:08
Speaker 12: She said she can't even open her door and she's
34:10
Speaker 12: had no power. Like old day north of Boston, where
34:14
Speaker 12: my home is still seems to have no power. I'm
34:17
Speaker 12: up in New Hampshire now, where weirdly in New Hampshire
34:21
Speaker 12: there hasn't been as much snow, but it was. I
34:24
Speaker 12: have to say as a snow lover, a gorgeous snowfall blizzard.
34:29
Speaker 12: Everything is just coated in white. It's perilous for people,
34:34
Speaker 12: of course, who are sitting without power and cold, and
34:37
Speaker 12: I don't know how long it's going to take for
34:39
Speaker 12: you know, these power companies to restore power to a
34:41
Speaker 12: lot of these folks. So that's not good. But if yours,
34:44
Speaker 12: if you love the snow and you've been waiting through
34:47
Speaker 12: these last few dogs of winters like I have to
34:49
Speaker 12: get out there on skis, you're loving this. It's beautiful
34:53
Speaker 12: and I know this is probably hard for you to picture.
34:55
Speaker 12: I know you guys are all working on your tans
34:57
Speaker 12: over there in Australia in the summer, but it really
34:59
Speaker 12: is is one of the most epic snowstorms we have
35:02
Speaker 12: gotten in New England in the last few years, last
35:04
Speaker 12: couple of years, like, there's really been no snow here.
35:07
Speaker 3: It's not your first one for the winter, though, is it,
35:09
Speaker 3: Because I remember talking to you some weeks ago.
35:11
Speaker 2: You were barricaded in a house you couldn't get out.
35:14
Speaker 3: Through the snow. So it's been a particularly severe winter.
35:18
Speaker 12: Yeah, that's right. A couple of weeks ago. I can't
35:21
Speaker 12: even like three and a half feet in Boston or something.
35:24
Speaker 12: And so this is the second one. Now they're saying
35:26
Speaker 12: there's a third one maybe coming later this week. So
35:29
Speaker 12: you know, I just have to chuckle, Chris, because a
35:32
Speaker 12: couple of years back, I was reading the New York
35:34
Speaker 12: Times and there's a big headline that said the end
35:36
Speaker 12: of snow and it was ridden by one of these
35:39
Speaker 12: snow global warming doomsday ors. And I got so scared,
35:43
Speaker 12: you know, because I love skiing, I love the snow,
35:45
Speaker 12: and I started to kind of buy into that a
35:47
Speaker 12: little over the last few years where the snow has
35:49
Speaker 12: just been like very thin and wet and it's been warm.
35:53
Speaker 12: But no, I think they were wrong. This year, you know,
35:56
Speaker 12: the snow has come back to get us.
35:57
Speaker 7: Yeah.
35:58
Speaker 3: Not much talk about global warming just moment in the US.
36:01
Speaker 2: Let's go to an issue that is dominating the top
36:04
Speaker 2: the discussion, and that is Donald Trump set back in
36:07
Speaker 2: his tariff plans, his tariff battle.
36:09
Speaker 3: The Supreme Court.
36:10
Speaker 2: Has knocked out that made clear he doesn't have the
36:12
Speaker 2: authority to impose taxes.
36:14
Speaker 3: He is what the President says.
36:16
Speaker 8: I'm ashamed of certain members of the court, absolutely ashamed
36:21
Speaker 8: for not having the courage to do what's right for
36:24
Speaker 8: our country. They also are a frankly disgrace to our nation.
36:29
Speaker 8: Those justices. Hey, I will sign in order to impose
36:32
Speaker 8: a ten percent global tariff under Section one twenty two
36:36
Speaker 8: over and above are normal tariffs already being charged.
36:41
Speaker 2: Typical Trump there, of course, Christen, he lashes out of
36:44
Speaker 2: the Supreme Court. But the law, he is very clear,
36:47
Speaker 2: isn't it that if you want to impose tariff's a
36:49
Speaker 2: tax measure, he just has to get Congress to pass laws.
36:53
Speaker 3: Obviously that's not going to be possible for him though.
36:57
Speaker 12: Yeah, although I think he found a loophole here because
36:59
Speaker 12: he's on another way to impose tariffs on a temporary
37:02
Speaker 12: message based off of some old uh you know, or
37:06
Speaker 12: that the president does have the power to do that on.
37:08
Speaker 3: The Yeah, but for one hundred and twenty days.
37:10
Speaker 12: Exactly exactly, and I guess that these tariffs will be
37:14
Speaker 12: effective immediately. He's fights them to fifteen percent. Now they
37:17
Speaker 12: are global. What I will tell you, Chris, is the
37:20
Speaker 12: vast majority of Americans who I speak to are have
37:24
Speaker 12: a totally different view of this issue than the media does.
37:27
Speaker 12: The media is hair on fire right now. They are
37:30
Speaker 12: so upset by these tariffs. They're rooting for the Supreme Court.
37:33
Speaker 12: They love that ruling. That's majority of normal Americans. They
37:37
Speaker 12: kind of support Trump's tariffs. Even the liberals that I
37:40
Speaker 12: talk to, people are starting to wake up to realize that,
37:43
Speaker 12: you know, balanced trade is not protectionism. It's actually just fairness.
37:47
Speaker 12: You know, the European Union's been charging US ten percent
37:50
Speaker 12: on American cars while we charge two point five percent
37:54
Speaker 12: on theirs. Canada right to our north maintains dairy barriers
37:58
Speaker 12: that can exceed too one hundred percent above quoter. I mean,
38:01
Speaker 12: I could sit here and list the imbalance. It's for you.
38:04
Speaker 12: We've gone over this. So Americans they support these tariffs.
38:08
Speaker 12: But you're right, this is a blow to Trump, and
38:09
Speaker 12: the new tariffs he's imposed are temporary.
38:12
Speaker 3: Yeah, look, I'm a free trader. But I think Trump's
38:15
Speaker 3: use of tariffs has worked.
38:16
Speaker 2: You know, he's forced fairer trade between America and Europe,
38:20
Speaker 2: He's forced fairer trade between America and China crucially, so
38:23
Speaker 2: they've been an important weapon for him, and it's actually
38:26
Speaker 2: helped to liberalize trade ironically enough, paradoxically enough.
38:30
Speaker 3: But I'll tell you what. We could talk about this
38:32
Speaker 3: all day.
38:33
Speaker 2: But I know what you're most interested in when it
38:35
Speaker 2: comes to us politics is what Robert de Niro things.
38:40
Speaker 2: Here's the latest comments on politics from the famous actor.
38:45
Speaker 17: You're always about lifting up everybody around you and everybody of.
38:48
Speaker 3: Course, why is that.
38:54
Speaker 19: You have to You have to lift people up. You
38:58
Speaker 19: have to bring them together, period. You can't divide people.
39:05
Speaker 19: You can't win that way.
39:08
Speaker 3: Denira is getting old tearing now, Christian. This is a
39:10
Speaker 3: block used done nothing but abuse Trump for the past
39:14
Speaker 3: ten or more years.
39:16
Speaker 12: Yeah, bringing himself to tears with how profound he thinks
39:20
Speaker 12: he is. It is just Yeah, these people are becoming
39:24
Speaker 12: more irrelevant by the day. No, but no normal Americans
39:29
Speaker 12: care about these movie actors anymore. And you know, Hollywood
39:32
Speaker 12: can't seem to figure out why nobody likes them because
39:37
Speaker 12: are so laughably out.
39:38
Speaker 3: Of touch Christian.
39:39
Speaker 2: The thing with de Niro, the one thing I would
39:42
Speaker 2: say about him, and I think we would all agree he.
39:45
Speaker 3: Is a brilliant actor.
39:47
Speaker 2: So the question we're left to ask ourselves is whether
39:50
Speaker 2: what we just saw from de Niro is acting or
39:54
Speaker 2: the real DeNiro, or if in fact this is the
39:57
Speaker 2: real DeNiro.
39:58
Speaker 3: I mean, he's so blatantly stupid. He's a punk, he's
40:04
Speaker 3: a dog, he's a pig, he's a con a bull artist.
40:08
Speaker 3: I'd like to punch him in the face. This is
40:11
Speaker 3: somebody that we want for president, I don't think. So
40:15
Speaker 3: there's de Niro on Trump again. Which is the real DeNiro?
40:20
Speaker 5: Oh?
40:20
Speaker 12: Man? You know, I actually think both are the real DeNiro.
40:23
Speaker 12: I think that this is a man who truly despises
40:27
Speaker 12: Trump in the half of the country who loved Trump,
40:30
Speaker 12: you know, talk about bringing people together by the way,
40:32
Speaker 12: you know, he says he wants to punch Trump in
40:34
Speaker 12: the face. But then I also think he genuinely does
40:38
Speaker 12: bring himself to tears. He thinks he is just that profound.
40:42
Speaker 12: This is how out of touch these Hollywood celebrities are,
40:46
Speaker 12: and they wonder why nobody tunes into their silly awards
40:49
Speaker 12: shows anymore. Why nobody pays to go see their movies
40:52
Speaker 12: at the box office. This is your answer.
40:55
Speaker 2: Thanks for unpacking it over us again, Christin, appreciate it.
41:00
Speaker 2: Kristen take there better get to a break on the
41:02
Speaker 2: other side of Suzi O'Brien and Stephen Center Tampa on
41:05
Speaker 2: a few things, but including the push to make our
41:08
Speaker 2: kids more patriotic. Let's get into the Tuesday panel with
41:16
Speaker 2: Susio O'Brien and Steven Center Tampo.
41:18
Speaker 3: Now, thanks for joining us, guys who want to run
41:20
Speaker 3: through a lot.
41:21
Speaker 2: The isis brides or Islamic state family's issue is a
41:24
Speaker 2: big one.
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Speaker 3: But the Prime Minister's just done a vodcast with old
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Speaker 3: mate Stephanovich. Have a listen to this. People will get
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Speaker 3: excited about the language being used.
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Speaker 5: Did Tony Burke to a deal with refugee advocates before
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Speaker 5: the last election?
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Speaker 1: Is that true?
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Speaker 3: Well, Carl, I call bullshit.
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Speaker 5: The fact is that that group that was spoken about,
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Speaker 5: the non government organization, took the Australian government to court
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Speaker 5: to demand the repatriation and we won that case.
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Speaker 3: Karl Stefanovic, of course, Pete's older brother.
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Speaker 2: Does that tell us Stephen that the Prime minister's feeling
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Speaker 2: the heat on this, is getting sick of answering questions
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Speaker 2: about it.
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Speaker 6: No, I think it means that he's so cool man.
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Speaker 6: You know you can take the boy out of public housing.
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Speaker 6: I'm sorry now I'm still in public housing. Look, yeah, look,
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Speaker 6: they are feeling the heat on this. There's no two
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Speaker 6: ways about it. Every minister, like I had one of
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Speaker 6: these ministers on my program this morning and they're all
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Speaker 6: talking the talking points and it's now trying to throw
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Speaker 6: it back onto the Morrison government, as they do with
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Speaker 6: almost everything these days. It's all the previous government's fault.
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Speaker 6: But they're running scared because they haven't got a straight
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Speaker 6: line and they can't lie straight and bit about it.
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Speaker 2: I think most Australians think the adults at least should
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Speaker 2: be stopped from coming back to the country, Susie. We
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Speaker 2: know the government was able to block one of them
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Speaker 2: temporarily at least, so why.
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Speaker 3: Not the others?
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Speaker 2: And of course your own premier there in Victoria is
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Speaker 2: a labor premier, none too fuss about perhaps most of
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Speaker 2: them ending up in your state.
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Speaker 20: The third of them are going to go to New
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Speaker 20: South Wales. The rest of them, probably to Victoria Jacinta
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Speaker 20: Allen has been about as useful as the Prime Minister.
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Speaker 20: She said absolutely nothing. And you've got people who left
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Speaker 20: the suburbs of Melbourne to go and embed themselves in
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Speaker 20: with the Islamic state now want to come home again,
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Speaker 20: and she's got nothing to say about that. And I
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Speaker 20: think Angus Taylor was really good on this. He was saying,
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Speaker 20: you know what, if they don't meet the threshold for
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Speaker 20: the legal block, why don't we change the law? And
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Speaker 20: I think it was a very compelling argument that the
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Speaker 20: Labour side of politics would do well to follow.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think so. I talk about calling BS.
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Speaker 2: I would call BS just about every day on this
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Speaker 2: show if I told you what I really thought about
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Speaker 2: what they're saying.
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Speaker 3: But they're pretending we're not doing anything to help them,
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Speaker 3: and we're not doing anything to stop them. It's all
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Speaker 3: just happening. Well, why have we got a government, why
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Speaker 3: do we have ministers? And this is all just happening.
43:54
Speaker 3: People can come and go as they please. Give me
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Speaker 3: a break. I'll tell you what.
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Speaker 2: Someone else who's feeling the heat at the moment is
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Speaker 2: anybody in the royal family. But Prince William there is
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Speaker 2: a bit of a snippet of him off camera has
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Speaker 2: shown that he's just feeling the strain. Have a look, Yeah,
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Speaker 2: says he's not in a calm state at the moment,
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Speaker 2: and why would he be, Susie with his uncle about
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Speaker 2: to be cut from the line of succession.
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Speaker 3: I wish they all could.
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Speaker 2: I bet they all wish they could just get rid
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Speaker 2: of him and disappear forever.
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Speaker 7: Yeah.
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Speaker 20: I thought it was actually good that Albow came out
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Speaker 20: so strongly on this. I think he's reflecting the views
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Speaker 20: of most Australians where he says that let's cut him
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Speaker 20: from the line of succession because technically they can take
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Speaker 20: away his princedom. But at the moment he's still eighth
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Speaker 20: in line for the throne and someone with that kind
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Speaker 20: of pedigree has no place being our sovereign. And I
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Speaker 20: think the sooner that that is dealt with.
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Speaker 12: The better.
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Speaker 3: I do agree, although Steve and I must laugh. I
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Speaker 3: keep people talking.
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Speaker 2: I keep laughing when I hear people talking about how
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Speaker 2: Prince Andrew or the former Prince Andrew had a shocking
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Speaker 2: sense of entitlement.
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Speaker 3: Well, what do you think a monarchy is?
45:08
Speaker 2: What do you think your royal family is it is
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Speaker 2: the very definition of entitlement.
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Speaker 3: It certainly is.
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Speaker 6: But having said that, the line of success Look, I
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Speaker 6: got no problem with him being withdrawn from the line
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Speaker 6: of succession, but he's eighth down the list, so he's
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Speaker 6: not going to ever be king anyway. I just think
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Speaker 6: this is another elbow distraction because he needs all of
45:28
Speaker 6: the Commonwealth nations to come on board with this, and
45:30
Speaker 6: I think it's just two prime ministers that are failing
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Speaker 6: trying to distract from their failure.
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Speaker 3: But he certainly is looking for the distraction.
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Speaker 2: But I think it's been raised in Britain first, and
45:39
Speaker 2: he tried to get out there early to get some
45:41
Speaker 2: positive coverage. The other distraction he's jumping on at the moment,
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Speaker 2: Stephen Is is fast rail that comes up every time
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Speaker 2: you want people to look over there.
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Speaker 15: Yeah.
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Speaker 6: I just think it's amazing that we've been talking about
45:54
Speaker 6: this for what thirty or forty years, and all of
45:56
Speaker 6: a sudden it's going to be shovelready by twenty twenty eight.
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Speaker 3: This happened all of us. I'm EMFITTI.
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Speaker 6: Oh look, I'm going to be talking just mex smerts
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Speaker 6: about this on my program.
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Speaker 3: Tomorrow.
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Speaker 6: But I can't see a fast rail happening, particularly given
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Speaker 6: that how many times it's going to have to stop
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Speaker 6: between Newcastle and Sydney.
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Speaker 3: It was going to be effective slow train coming, I reckon.
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Speaker 2: Let me just show you a lovely little clip of
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Speaker 2: Australian kids singing our national anthem, Sweet Joice.
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Speaker 3: Susie.
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Speaker 2: You're the national education editor for News Court papers. A
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Speaker 2: big push, give us your best thirty seconds, A big
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Speaker 2: push to get patriotism back into schools.
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Speaker 3: Can governments deliver on this? And is it a good thing?
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Speaker 12: Well?
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Speaker 20: I think we need teachers behind them, but I think
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Speaker 20: it is a good thing. This is coming out of
46:55
Speaker 20: the Anti Anti Semitism task Force in schools. They're saying
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Speaker 20: they want kids to fall in love with being Australian.
47:02
Speaker 20: They want to teach that, they want to teach morals,
47:04
Speaker 20: they want to teach values, patriotism and Julian Lisa the
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Speaker 20: opposition is saying that he wants more stories about Jewish
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Speaker 20: Australians taught in schools. All of this can be is
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Speaker 20: definitely a good thing and I love to just think
47:19
Speaker 20: we know that Australia is the best country. Sure, why
47:21
Speaker 20: aren't we making it a priority in schools.
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Speaker 2: Top Stuff, Susie spot On. Thanks for joining us, Susie
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Speaker 2: and Stephen. It is a great country. We've got to
47:29
Speaker 2: teach our kids. Why Peter Quedlin is up next. Don't
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Speaker 2: forget Sharry at seven point thirty