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The Late Debate | 16 May · The Late Debate

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  Speaker 1: Le welcome late pay.
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  Speaker 2: Thanks for joining us on. James Macpherson with Liz Storer
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  Speaker 2: and Caleb Bond Well, the Victorian State government can't afford
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  Speaker 2: hospitals or cancer research, but wait until you hear what
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  Speaker 2: they can afford to spend thirty seven million taxpayer dollars on.
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  Speaker 2: It will blow your mind when we tell you about
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  Speaker 2: that a little later. Plus when we look at the papers.
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  Speaker 2: The front page of Tomorrow's Australian outlines Peter Dutton's vision
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  Speaker 2: for the country. Of course, he stated that during his
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  Speaker 2: budget reply speech earlier this evening, and the front page
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  Speaker 2: of Tomorrow's Herald Son reveals just how much stop and
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  Speaker 2: go sign holders are earning. And I promise you once
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  Speaker 2: you hear about it, no matter where you are tonight,
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  Speaker 2: you will pack up and move to Melbourne and apply
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  Speaker 2: for a job. It's a great wicket if you can
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  Speaker 2: get on it. But if you live in New South
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  Speaker 2: Wales and you have solar panels on your roof, you
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  Speaker 2: might want to go out and buy a tar pole
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  Speaker 2: and to cover them up during the daytime hours. At
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  Speaker 2: least that's what I would do. After Osgrid announced plans
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  Speaker 2: to charge householders if they export electricity into the grid
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  Speaker 2: during daylight hours. The energy company, which owns the poles
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  Speaker 2: and wires for about two million customers in Sydney and Beyond,
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  Speaker 2: says that solar panels are producing too much electricity between
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  Speaker 2: the hours of ten am and three pm when demand
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  Speaker 2: is low. Now, if that continues, they'll be forced into
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  Speaker 2: a costly upgrade of their entire network. So what they're
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  Speaker 2: proposing is to penalize households a one point two cents
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  Speaker 2: per miller watt hour for electricity that is exported into
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  Speaker 2: the grid. Now, helpfully, they say, you can avoid this
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  Speaker 2: penalty by going out and buying a battery, so you
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  Speaker 2: can just keep the energy rather than pumping it back
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  Speaker 2: into the grid. And the good news is a battery
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  Speaker 2: lonely costure about nine thousand dollars.
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  Speaker 3: On the other hand, with that problem solved.
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  Speaker 2: You can take up my suggestion, Liz, you can go
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  Speaker 2: to Bunning and get a top hole and for about
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  Speaker 2: twenty bucks. Now, if you remove the top and from
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  Speaker 2: the roof between the hours of four pm and nine
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  Speaker 2: pm when demand is high, Osgrid will pay you two
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  Speaker 2: point three cents per killer what hour to put solar
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  Speaker 2: panel back into the grid. But back to daylight hours, Calebin, Liz,
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  Speaker 2: We've got this situation now where citizens generate electricity that
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  Speaker 2: we then pay power companies to take off us so
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  Speaker 2: they can sell back to us at a later date.
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  Speaker 2: There's a program on the ABC called Utopia which satirizes
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  Speaker 2: government departments. I mean, they don't need to pay a
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  Speaker 2: script writer. They're getting their scripts for free.
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  Speaker 1: Ridiculous, isn't it.
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  Speaker 4: By the way, I wouldn't be going to Bunnings for
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  Speaker 4: our taps. I just give the Port Adelaide Football Club
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  Speaker 4: a call and see if they've got any leftovers that
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  Speaker 4: they put on the seats at Adelaide Oval because they
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  Speaker 4: can't get enough fans into the ground. They might lend
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  Speaker 4: you one. But it is absurd because everyone was told
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  Speaker 4: to put solar panels on their roof because they would
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  Speaker 4: get these massive feeding park right.
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  Speaker 1: That was the idea was that you.
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  Speaker 4: Put the solar panel on your roof, you generate electricity
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  Speaker 4: that you then sell to the power companies, and the
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  Speaker 4: power companies sell that to other people. You are creating
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  Speaker 4: the power for the power companies and.
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  Speaker 1: For that you will be rewarded.
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  Speaker 4: So millions of people across the country have gone out
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  Speaker 4: spent their money on their solar panels, expecting that they're
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  Speaker 4: going to get a return on investment, and now they're
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  Speaker 4: told that because everyone has put solar panels on their roofs,
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  Speaker 4: there's far too much.
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  Speaker 1: Solar power swimming around.
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  Speaker 4: Therefore you no longer get any benefit. And if you
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  Speaker 4: want the benefit, you've got to go and get the
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  Speaker 4: battery for yourself.
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  Speaker 1: And I couldn't believe.
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  Speaker 4: A woman posted on X today her power bill. She
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  Speaker 4: goes by art in lily Dale as her handle, and
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  Speaker 4: you can see the power bill there that she's posted.
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  Speaker 4: She's been charged six hundred and thirteen bucks for the quarter.
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  Speaker 4: But if you have a look, there's a graph there
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  Speaker 4: that shows the ingoings and outgoing. So that peachy looking
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  Speaker 4: color is the power she's using. The green is the
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  Speaker 4: power she has put back into the grid from her
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  Speaker 4: solar panels. She is putting twice as much power into
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  Speaker 4: the grid as she is personally using, and she still
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  Speaker 4: has to pay six hundred dollars for her power. I mean,
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  Speaker 4: you would have thought I paid for these bloody solar
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  Speaker 4: panels so I don't have to pay for the power.
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  Speaker 1: Now they tear. You've got to pay even more if
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  Speaker 1: you want the benefit of it. The whole thing has
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  Speaker 1: been a sham.
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  Speaker 3: An absolute riff off.
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  Speaker 5: By the way, lady, there goes you three hundred bucks
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  Speaker 5: from the Helm and easy other to help pay your
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  Speaker 5: power prices. Not exactly what anyone had in mind, was it. No,
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  Speaker 5: which is not what they had in mind either. When
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  Speaker 5: you buy solar panels. My parents did this years ago
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  Speaker 5: as well, because that turns out the sun actually does
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  Speaker 5: shine for free. So if you invest in that, you're like, hey,
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  Speaker 5: we're laughing all the way to the bank.
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  Speaker 3: Well not anymore.
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  Speaker 5: And wait a minute, wait a minute, aren't we told
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  Speaker 5: on a daily basis by the government's across this country
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  Speaker 5: that the more renewables we get into the grid.
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  Speaker 3: The cheaper energy will be. Here you're being fined for it.
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  Speaker 5: You're literally being punished for sending renewable energy into the grid.
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  Speaker 5: And this whole like, oh, well, if it's after four pm,
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  Speaker 5: then will reward you. You're going to get two point
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  Speaker 5: three cents per miller watt? What when the sun's going down?
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  Speaker 5: I mean, if we're talking about winter here, it's not
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  Speaker 5: much good after four pm.
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  Speaker 3: You're really not going to get much bang for your buck.
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  Speaker 3: At all. And what this does.
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  Speaker 5: Is punish the poor because now this means that if
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  Speaker 5: you have solar panels on your house, unless you can
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  Speaker 5: find a lazy nine grand lying around to invest in
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  Speaker 5: these batteries, I wonder who battery friends our government has.
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  Speaker 5: Unless you have that money to take that investment, now
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  Speaker 5: you are screwed.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I want to know why it's consumers problem this
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  Speaker 2: excess energy. Shouldn't osgrid invest in batteries. I mean they're
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  Speaker 2: now a company harvey batteries and solve the problem exactly?
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  Speaker 4: You think they could harvest the power You've got all
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  Speaker 4: the extra power swimming around in the system. Isn't it
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  Speaker 4: the ultimate solution that they no longer have to buy
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  Speaker 4: as much coal fired power from other generators because they've
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  Speaker 4: got people literally generating the power.
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  Speaker 1: For them on their roofs.
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  Speaker 4: And it's a bit like the electric car situation right
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  Speaker 4: where we're all told, going by an electric car, it's
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  Speaker 4: the panasee or it's the next big thing. So a
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  Speaker 4: lot of people did go and buy electric cars, and
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  Speaker 4: then they found out that the more people who did it,
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  Speaker 4: the more difficult it is to actually make the system
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  Speaker 4: operate because we don't have the charges. We don't have
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  Speaker 4: the technology, we don't know how to recycle the batteries.
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  Speaker 4: You've got low range, et cetera, et cetera. The more
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  Speaker 4: people you have in the systems, great for those who
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  Speaker 4: are there at the beginning, right, they got their feed
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  Speaker 4: in tariffs and made a lot of money at the time,
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  Speaker 4: But since then it's all fallen apart because we're not
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  Speaker 4: ready for it.
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  Speaker 5: Funny about that, and they never they never seem to
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  Speaker 5: think of the domino effects because part of the whole
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  Speaker 5: solar panel fiasco as well is, of course they generate
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  Speaker 5: most of their power during the day when people aren't
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  Speaker 5: homey don't work, and then what happens is the call
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  Speaker 5: fired power stations have to rev up big time at
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  Speaker 5: peak demand, which is when everyone gets home from school,
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  Speaker 5: everyone gets home from work. Now, the call fired power
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  Speaker 5: stations weren't designed to do that. So then you've got
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  Speaker 5: the power generator charging for that because it's semi damaging.
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  Speaker 5: That's not what coal fired power stations were designed to do.
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  Speaker 5: Suddenly ramp up at four pm every day, the power
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  Speaker 5: generator is charging for that.
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  Speaker 3: They pass that charge.
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  Speaker 5: Onto the power retailer, and the power retailer passes it
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  Speaker 5: on to us. So, yay, you did get free power
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  Speaker 5: through your soul while you weren't at home in that day,
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  Speaker 5: and now you're getting fined for that. Essentially, you're being
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  Speaker 5: punished for it. And now that you have got home
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  Speaker 5: and everyone's requiring power right now.
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  Speaker 3: It's just way more expensive.
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  Speaker 5: And we're damaging our coal fired power stations happening to
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  Speaker 5: ramp them up to top notch at four pm every day.
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  Speaker 4: Well, I reckon what they should do is they should
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  Speaker 4: restrict the hours you can use power. But we had
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  Speaker 4: water restrictions once upon a time. You can only run
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  Speaker 4: your dish washert during the afternoon, you can only run
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  Speaker 4: your washing machine during the afternoon.
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  Speaker 1: You know. Look, I mean they can do anything else.
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  Speaker 3: Anyway.
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  Speaker 1: It'll happen at some point. I'm not joking. It will
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  Speaker 1: happen at some point. Scientists have already.
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  Speaker 4: Talked about the fact that that is where we will
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  Speaker 4: have to go with the energy, if we're going to
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  Speaker 4: be relied on renewable energy. While we're on the topic
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  Speaker 4: of climate and renewable energy and fossil fuels, et cetera.
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  Speaker 4: The Walkley Awards, or should we call them the Wokely Awards,
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  Speaker 4: of course, the top gong in journalism in a Australia.
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  Speaker 4: They've decided that they will sever their sponsorship with a Ampole,
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  Speaker 4: of course, is the oil company. You can go to
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  Speaker 4: any of their service stations and fill your car up
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  Speaker 4: with diesel or unleaded or whatever it might be. They
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  Speaker 4: signed on for a two year deal nearly two years ago.
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  Speaker 4: It comes up in October and the Walkleys have said
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  Speaker 4: we do not want your sponsorship anymore because they've changed
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  Speaker 4: their policy whereby they now refuse sponsorship from companies that
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  Speaker 4: quote offer no tangible benefit to humanity.
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  Speaker 1: Now, I would suggest to.
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  Speaker 4: The committee at the Walkleys that you know, if Ampole
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  Speaker 4: were to shut down, and every other you know, gas
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  Speaker 4: company and petrol company, oil company, coal producer in this
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  Speaker 4: country were to shut down.
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  Speaker 1: There would be a little bit of a difference to humanity.
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  Speaker 4: You'd have to stop all the cars, and you'd have
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  Speaker 4: to stop all the electricity, and you'd have to stop
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  Speaker 4: all the planes, and you'd have to stop all the tray.
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  Speaker 4: I think am Pole actually does a fair bit for humanity,
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  Speaker 4: to be perfectly honest. But the thing I love about
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  Speaker 4: this the most is that the Walkleys were established in
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  Speaker 4: nineteen fifty six by a man called Sir William Walkley.
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  Speaker 1: Now, apart from establishing.
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  Speaker 4: The Walkleys, do you know what else Sir William Walkley
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  Speaker 4: did have a guess?
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  Speaker 2: I know the answer, But tell us Caleb, he established
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  Speaker 2: am Pole.
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  Speaker 4: For heaven's sake, the man who started the Walkleys started
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  Speaker 4: am Pole.
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  Speaker 1: And now the Walkleys.
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  Speaker 4: Say they don't want money from the company that the
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  Speaker 4: man who started the Walkley started.
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  Speaker 1: It isn't it ridiculous?
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  Speaker 2: It's a Walkley Foundation are committed to closing down organizations
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  Speaker 2: that have no tangible benefit for humanity.
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  Speaker 3: They need to shut up shop.
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  Speaker 2: They'd be shutting down the ABC, That's what they'd be
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  Speaker 2: looking for. I mean. But the irony, of course, is
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  Speaker 2: delicious that am Pole and Walkley are intimately connected exactly.
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  Speaker 5: He is also one of their sponsors. So I'm like,
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  Speaker 5: how about my resources? BHP must be like, well, where
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  Speaker 5: the next to go? And if I was you, BHP,
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  Speaker 5: I'd just withdraw my sponsorship. I mean, how ungrateful is
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  Speaker 5: this that Ampole sponsorship. They had a platinum sponsorship, hundreds
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  Speaker 5: of thousands of dollars.
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  Speaker 3: They were welcomed into the Wokely family in twenty twenty.
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  Speaker 5: Two, and two short years later, they've been given the boot.
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  Speaker 2: Because last year awards, a bunch of cartoonists boycotted the awards.
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  Speaker 2: Other journists got very upset that it was sponsored by
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  Speaker 2: a fossil fuel company. And of course the other upset
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  Speaker 2: was that there was no specific award for a climate
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  Speaker 2: change report. But this year ampole are gone and one
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  Speaker 2: lucky journalist will be rewarded for his climate catastrophe. There'll
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  Speaker 2: be a special award.
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  Speaker 5: What this essentially says, and we've seen banks and other
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  Speaker 5: people start doing this now, being like, oh, we won't
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  Speaker 5: give loans to anyone associated.
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  Speaker 3: With coal, oil gas, those.
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  Speaker 5: Terrible fossil fuels, is that it's a reputational risk now
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  Speaker 5: to be involved with these companies that, like it or not,
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  Speaker 5: they make your lifestyle possible in countless ways. Baby, So
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  Speaker 5: you crossing them off your sponsorship list and then living
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  Speaker 5: off their backs on a daily basis, in every which way,
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  Speaker 5: that is the stupidest virtue signaling you can possibly do.
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  Speaker 2: Would they say it's a reputational risk? I kind of
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  Speaker 2: imagine these same people when they're filling up their car
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  Speaker 2: with unleaded are they sort of putting their hand over
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  Speaker 2: their phone. They don't want to be seen because they're
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  Speaker 2: going to reputation seeing at a gas station.
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  Speaker 5: Please, you are gushing emissions every single day, just like
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  Speaker 5: the rest of them, as you probably flew a plane
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  Speaker 5: to attend the Woke Please but no, they say their
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  Speaker 5: new sponsorship policy contains an explicit focus on ethics and
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  Speaker 5: working with sponsors that share their woke values a climate communism.
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  Speaker 1: Fantastic, there you go.
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  Speaker 4: Well, one person who won't be catching a plane, it
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  Speaker 4: would seem, is Australian runner Adams. Now he was expecting
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  Speaker 4: he would be able to go over to Paris for
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  Speaker 4: the Olympics this year. He's a marathon runner and he
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  Speaker 4: is seventy fourth in the world. Now, he and Athletics
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  Speaker 4: Australia and pretty much every other country were sort of
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  Speaker 4: under the impression that the eighty runners who would get
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  Speaker 4: to run in the marathon at the Olympics this year
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  Speaker 4: would be the top eighty runners in the world.
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  Speaker 1: Not the case.
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  Speaker 4: Apparently only the top seventy have qualified for the Paris Olympics,
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  Speaker 4: and then the last ten have been given to what
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  Speaker 4: they call universality athletes. Now the idea that is its diversity,
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  Speaker 4: equity and inclusion. There are ninety three nations in the
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  Speaker 4: world who are deemed to be underrepresented at the Olympics,
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  Speaker 4: so they essentially get a golden ticket into events to
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  Speaker 4: try and boost their numbers a bit. There are thirty
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  Speaker 4: five nations in Africa, eighteen in the Americas, seventeen in Asia,
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  Speaker 4: in Europe, and fourteen across Oceania. It's almost half the
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  Speaker 4: world is eligible to get a golden ticket into these
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  Speaker 4: Olympic eventually. And Adams though he was sort of taken
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  Speaker 4: by surprise. He talked to the ABC about this this morning.
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  Speaker 6: We were all under the impression that you finished in
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  Speaker 6: the top eighty and you'd be going to the Olympics.
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  Speaker 6: And yeah, when I found out the shock's news three
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  Speaker 6: days after the qualification period had ended, the universality athletes
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  Speaker 6: had displaced the ten athletes that had qualified in rankings,
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  Speaker 6: it was a complete shock. I felt like it was
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  Speaker 6: a kind of nightmare and I was just wondering how
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  Speaker 6: it all happened. And yeah, it's been a complete shock and.
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  Speaker 2: It's hard to compute.
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  Speaker 1: Really, maybe I'm missing something here.
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  Speaker 4: I thought the idea of the Olympics, the pinnacle of
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  Speaker 4: athletics in the world is the you know, the best
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  Speaker 4: in the world go over there and represent their countries. No, no, no, no, no, no,
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  Speaker 4: no no, we don't do that. We'll let sort of like,
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  Speaker 4: you know, the first seventy best in the world represent
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  Speaker 4: their countries. Then we'll just have some also rams make
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  Speaker 4: it in because they happened to come from a smaller country.
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  Speaker 1: How does that work?
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  Speaker 2: I actually like it because do you remember at the
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  Speaker 2: two thousand Olympics there was a guy called Eddie the Eel.
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  Speaker 2: Do you remember this guy, Eddie the Eel turns up
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  Speaker 2: representing an African nation. He'd only taken up swimming eight
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  Speaker 2: months before the Olympic Games, and he got to the
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  Speaker 2: Olympic Games. He had never seen a fifty meter swimming
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  Speaker 2: pool in his life. He rocks up, he swims in
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  Speaker 2: the fifty meters. It took him one minute and fifty
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  Speaker 2: two seconds to complete it, more than twice the time
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  Speaker 2: of the eventual winner. But here's the great thing. In
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  Speaker 2: twenty twelve, twelve years later, he is the national swim
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  Speaker 2: team coach of his country. It's a beautiful story, Caleb,
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  Speaker 2: And so I think it is. Universality of athletes is
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  Speaker 2: a wonderful thing.
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  Speaker 5: Was he one of the universally the athletes that basically
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  Speaker 5: gets given this as a charity.
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  Speaker 1: You've got a.
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  Speaker 2: Wild card entry just to encourage the athletes of his
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  Speaker 2: nation who typically don't swim, and he proved that they
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  Speaker 2: typically don't swim and they haven't had a compere that
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  Speaker 2: since I don't think, but I mean, Palestine are getting
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  Speaker 2: a free pass for the next Olympics. They've announced that
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  Speaker 2: Palestinian athletes will be enabled to compete, though they won't
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  Speaker 2: qualify for any events, and though they're not actually a nation,
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  Speaker 2: but this is done to encourage nations to help their athletes.
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  Speaker 5: Well they literally say, the Olympic Committee say it's to
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  Speaker 5: increase the diversity of participating nations. So sorry, Leam Adams,
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  Speaker 5: you've been pipped by DEI and good grief, isn't that
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  Speaker 5: a growing list?
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  Speaker 3: But you had to laugh.
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  Speaker 5: Reading one of the headlines in the Sydney Morning Herald today,
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  Speaker 5: they are under fire for calling ballerinas too thin and
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  Speaker 5: this is a national disgrace.
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  Speaker 3: How dare they?
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  Speaker 1: So?
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  Speaker 5: Someone did this rite up? What's his name, Nui tech coat? Yes,
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  Speaker 5: David Holberg, actually.
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  Speaker 4: So, David Holberg's the artistic director of the Australian Ballet.
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  Speaker 5: Yes, yes, but he's the one who's slamming it. He's
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  Speaker 5: not the one who did the ride up. I was
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  Speaker 5: referring to the person who did the ride up. Calling
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  Speaker 5: them too thin.
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  Speaker 3: Better than calling them too fat. Right, Nope, you can
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  Speaker 3: never get it right.
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  Speaker 4: Well, actually I should point out Nui wrote the story
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  Speaker 4: and I know knew he's a good fellow.
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: He wrote the story for the Herald's.
• 17:31
  Speaker 4: Son about the SMHS getting slammed by the Australian Ballet.
• 17:35
  Speaker 4: The piece in the SMH was written by a woman
• 17:37
  Speaker 4: called Chantal Newan, who is a barrister and the dance
• 17:41
  Speaker 4: critic for the Sydney Morning Herald. So a woman called
• 17:44
  Speaker 4: the dancers too thin is what happened?
• 17:47
  Speaker 5: Oh so all you wanted to do was let everyone know,
• 17:50
  Speaker 5: don't worry.
• 17:51
  Speaker 3: It wasn't a man, okay.
• 17:53
  Speaker 5: So then we've got David Holborg, who was Artist director
• 17:56
  Speaker 5: of Australian Ballet. He says comment regarding body image is
• 18:01
  Speaker 5: not acceptable and I am compelled to address this. Comments
• 18:05
  Speaker 5: about weight, shape and body comparisons can have a serious
• 18:09
  Speaker 5: negative impact on a person's self esteem and body image
• 18:11
  Speaker 5: can be detrimental to individuals mental and physical health. Professional
• 18:16
  Speaker 5: ballet dancers, like other ascetic athletes, are identified as a
• 18:19
  Speaker 5: high ROOSK group for the development of body image concerns,
• 18:23
  Speaker 5: disordered eating and eating disorders, for.
• 18:27
  Speaker 3: Crying out loud.
• 18:29
  Speaker 5: Anyone who knows anything about ballet knows you can't do
• 18:34
  Speaker 5: it if you're a heifer like you.
• 18:39
  Speaker 2: And a woman said that one of my I would
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: never have said that.
• 18:44
  Speaker 5: One of my best friends of fifteen years is a
• 18:47
  Speaker 5: ballet dancer, right, she's a ballet dance teacher now, but
• 18:51
  Speaker 5: she has told me so many stories about the agonies
• 18:55
  Speaker 5: these girls go through. Obviously, to keep the number on
• 18:59
  Speaker 5: this scales down, that is the name of the game.
• 19:04
  Speaker 5: I've also have a very good friend who went to London,
• 19:07
  Speaker 5: was a prima donna, ballerina, all the rest of it.
• 19:10
  Speaker 5: There is no understating how imperative that is if you
• 19:16
  Speaker 5: want to be a ballerina, if you want to excel,
• 19:19
  Speaker 5: as obviously these guys do because it's the Australian Ballet
• 19:22
  Speaker 5: So I'm sure that no one, none of them anyway,
• 19:27
  Speaker 5: reading this critique saying gosh, they're really skinny, would have
• 19:31
  Speaker 5: had that much of a problem with it.
• 19:33
  Speaker 3: They would have been like I am.
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: What if the language was not the problem. What if
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: the artistic director of the Australian Ballet was upset not
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: about them being called unusually thin. What if it was
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: just upset generally about the review. Because let me read
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: you some of this review. It says that this particular
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: performance felt like a banal hour of channel surfing. You
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: watch a series of dissatisfying, self indulgent scenes unrelated to
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: those you've just watched, and will watch after. The only
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: difference between that and channel surfing is when you're channel surfing,
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: you can leave the room. It goes on to say
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: that the ballet's score sounded like a combination of dental tools,
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: a flight path and my neighbor's techno music leaking through
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: our shared apartment Briill. So I wonder if the artistic
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: director was not really upset about them being called unusually thin,
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: just hated the review.
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: Well, it was a one and a half star review.
• 20:23
  Speaker 4: And back in the day I used to review shows
• 20:27
  Speaker 4: for the Adelaide Fringe for the Advertiser, and I think
• 20:30
  Speaker 4: I did once hand out a one star review and
• 20:34
  Speaker 4: the performers did not take very kindly to it because it.
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: Was a crap show. It's just how it goes.
• 20:40
  Speaker 4: But miss Newan wrote in the quoting question was the
• 20:44
  Speaker 4: dancers are fabulous, although, and perhaps this was the lighting,
• 20:48
  Speaker 4: seem unusually thin this season.
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: Right, So.
• 20:53
  Speaker 4: The line he's already qualified the statement and said maybe
• 20:56
  Speaker 4: it was my eyes.
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I could have been wrong.
• 20:59
  Speaker 4: Maybe they weren't as thin as I thought they were.
• 21:02
  Speaker 4: But we know that Ballerina's ballet dancers. Of course they're
• 21:06
  Speaker 4: going to be thin. And you don't see people getting
• 21:09
  Speaker 4: up in arms every weekend about the fact.
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: That jockeys weigh so little.
• 21:14
  Speaker 4: And I know, having involved in the racing industry, the
• 21:17
  Speaker 4: job stuff that jockeys do every weekend. I mean they
• 21:20
  Speaker 4: get up at the cracker dawn on Saturday morning, they
• 21:23
  Speaker 4: put on like fifteen layers and go for a run
• 21:25
  Speaker 4: to sweat out as much weight as they possibly can.
• 21:28
  Speaker 4: Then they come back and have a scorching hot bath
• 21:31
  Speaker 4: to sweat out even more weight. They don't eat until
• 21:34
  Speaker 4: five PM when they've stopped racing because they have to
• 21:37
  Speaker 4: make weight. Now, it's probably not the healthiest lifestyle in
• 21:39
  Speaker 4: the world, but you don't see people complaining about that
• 21:42
  Speaker 4: every single week. But you dare to say that the
• 21:44
  Speaker 4: ballerinas look thin?
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: Oh my god, how dare you?
• 21:48
  Speaker 3: We already know that.
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: It's a fact, it's true, before we're too critical of ballerinas.
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: I mean, the AFL have embraced this whole body shaming
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: thing and announced this year they would stop publishing players weights.
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: And the weight AFL footballers is fairly important because if
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: you've got a seventy kilogram player playing on a one
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: hundred kilogram player makes a big difference. But apparently the
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: AFL footballers are a little bit sensitive about weight, and
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: the weight cannot be published anymore.
• 22:16
  Speaker 5: Well, I'm sure you'd get in big trouble if you
• 22:18
  Speaker 5: tried to publish the weight of ballerinas.
• 22:21
  Speaker 3: We're not comparing apples with apples here.
• 22:23
  Speaker 5: But let's go to the Netherlands now, where six months
• 22:26
  Speaker 5: after Garrett Wilder's party was elected in a landslide, he's
• 22:32
  Speaker 5: finally managed to strike a deal with three other parties
• 22:37
  Speaker 5: to cobble together a coalition of sorts. Now this took
• 22:42
  Speaker 5: some doing because Gearritt Vildas is very well known as
• 22:46
  Speaker 5: being what they call far right, and when he won
• 22:50
  Speaker 5: the election, a quarter of the national vote, which is
• 22:53
  Speaker 5: no mean feat. When to give you an idea, right now,
• 22:57
  Speaker 5: sitting in the House of Reps in the Netherlands, fifteen parties.
• 23:02
  Speaker 5: They don't have a major two party system like the
• 23:05
  Speaker 5: US or Australia.
• 23:07
  Speaker 3: Over there, it's like a patch work quilt.
• 23:09
  Speaker 5: Baby, So he had his work cutout, despite getting a
• 23:12
  Speaker 5: quarter of the national vote, get his work cut out
• 23:15
  Speaker 5: to make friends with these parties, A lot of which said,
• 23:19
  Speaker 5: despite him romping it in vote wise at the election
• 23:22
  Speaker 5: six months ago, a lot of them said, we will
• 23:24
  Speaker 5: never do business with this party, we will not form
• 23:28
  Speaker 5: government with him. Well, he's managed to find three friends
• 23:31
  Speaker 5: and they are cobbling it together. Part of that deal
• 23:35
  Speaker 5: was though him agreeing that he would not be prime minister,
• 23:39
  Speaker 5: which is a big, big bummer. They still haven't decided
• 23:42
  Speaker 5: who will be prime minister. So I don't know what
• 23:45
  Speaker 5: the other three are going to do. What flip a coin,
• 23:48
  Speaker 5: But this I just can't believe he's actually managed to
• 23:51
  Speaker 5: do it, and that much is incredibly impressive. Like early
• 23:57
  Speaker 5: on in the game, this guy came out very strongly
• 24:00
  Speaker 5: on immigration.
• 24:01
  Speaker 3: He said, we're going to make Netherlands for the Dutch again.
• 24:04
  Speaker 5: He promised to ban the Koran mosques Islamic schools.
• 24:09
  Speaker 3: He was going hard now.
• 24:10
  Speaker 5: Part of this deal with the major three parties, which
• 24:14
  Speaker 5: is so stupid, right because obviously that is what the
• 24:17
  Speaker 5: Netherland wants. That's why he got a quarter of the
• 24:19
  Speaker 5: national vote. And yet in order to cobble together a government,
• 24:23
  Speaker 5: they've made him softened and dampened down and in some
• 24:26
  Speaker 5: regards get rid of some of the policies that he
• 24:30
  Speaker 5: would if he was.
• 24:31
  Speaker 3: Governing in his own right he would have implemented. How
• 24:34
  Speaker 3: dumb is that?
• 24:35
  Speaker 5: Like when you're the leaders of the other three parties
• 24:37
  Speaker 5: who have agreed to cozy up to him in order
• 24:40
  Speaker 5: to be in government yourselves, you're like, well, just drop
• 24:44
  Speaker 5: several of the things that were your vote winners that
• 24:47
  Speaker 5: you took to the election.
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the art of politics, though, isn't It's compromise.
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: He's had to back off all the heavy handed Islamic stuff.
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: But when it comes to immigration, strict measures are regarding
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: asylum seekers, scrapping family reunification for refugees, they're reducing the
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: number of international students sounds like a Peter Dutton's speech,
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: and they're deporting people who don't have a valid visa
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: if necessary by force. And on top of that, and
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: you'll be happy about this, Liz the citizen that the
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: Farmer's Citizens movement has become part of the coalition. And
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: we all have seen the massive demonstrations in the Netherlands
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: because of what's been done to farmers in the name
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: of climate change. So you'd expect the Netherlands to take
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: a slightly different view on climate than has been the
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: case and that should make a big difference.
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: Oh.
• 25:33
  Speaker 5: Yes, All in all, this is a massive win for
• 25:37
  Speaker 5: the Netherlands. And this will mean because this is after
• 25:39
  Speaker 5: fourteen years of the same main party being in power.
• 25:43
  Speaker 5: This was a shock to end all shock elections for
• 25:47
  Speaker 5: the ruling elites in the Netherlands. And it's just wonderful
• 25:50
  Speaker 5: to see, especially right off the back of Argentina.
• 25:53
  Speaker 3: We've got Harveer Malay there. Trump is going to be
• 25:57
  Speaker 3: back in the.
• 25:57
  Speaker 5: White House later this year, just speaking that out. But
• 26:01
  Speaker 5: these leaders are increasingly coming to prominence as their populations
• 26:07
  Speaker 5: are just like, we are so sick of what we're
• 26:10
  Speaker 5: seeing happen in our country.
• 26:12
  Speaker 4: And get Wilders has been at it for the better
• 26:14
  Speaker 4: part of two decades now, and he's finally having his
• 26:18
  Speaker 4: day in the sun.
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: And we've often had this discussion.
• 26:21
  Speaker 4: About, you know, the fact you look at Europe and
• 26:23
  Speaker 4: you've had a wave of right when leaders get elected
• 26:26
  Speaker 4: over there, and then of course you had Trump in
• 26:28
  Speaker 4: the US and Harvey Malay in Argentina, etc. And people say, well,
• 26:32
  Speaker 4: why has that not happened in Australia, And my answer
• 26:35
  Speaker 4: has always been the day will come, we just haven't
• 26:39
  Speaker 4: met it yet. There will come a point where people
• 26:42
  Speaker 4: will realize what is going on and they will start
• 26:45
  Speaker 4: to rebel. We just haven't got to that point yet.
• 26:48
  Speaker 4: So don't be disheartened, but beheartened by the fact it
• 26:51
  Speaker 4: is happening in other parts of the world, because the
• 26:54
  Speaker 4: reckoning has to come at some point.
• 26:56
  Speaker 6: Now.
• 26:57
  Speaker 4: Dutton's about the closest we've got to it at the moment.
• 26:59
  Speaker 4: And we'll talk later about his budget reply speech, which
• 27:02
  Speaker 4: wasn't really a budget reply speech.
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: It was an election pitch.
• 27:05
  Speaker 4: But he was hitting good points, the right points tonight,
• 27:08
  Speaker 4: and it takes a leader like that to step up
• 27:11
  Speaker 4: and drive that message home as long as it takes.
• 27:14
  Speaker 4: It can take decades, but as long as it takes,
• 27:17
  Speaker 4: you've got to keep driving that message home as get
• 27:19
  Speaker 4: Wilders has ultimately to his success.
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: For a second, I thought you were going to say
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: that Pauline Hanson will eventually be prom minister of this.
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: It would be hard to do from the Senate.
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: That's where you were going. How it worked, staying on politics.
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: Great news from the United States. The election season just
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: got better because Joe Biden has announced he will debate
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: Donald Trump, and it started already. Let me show you
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: Joe Biden already goading it. It's like two boxes lining
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: up getting ready for about. It's like box like one
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: boxer and a lettuce leaf lining up about. Listen to
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: Joe Biden already goading Donald Trump.
• 27:59
  Speaker 7: Donald Trump was two debates to me in twenty twenty.
• 28:01
  Speaker 7: San Sandy Ada's shown up for debate. No exactly what
• 28:04
  Speaker 7: you want to debate me again?
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: Or make my day pal.
• 28:07
  Speaker 7: I'll even do it twice.
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: So let's pick the dace.
• 28:10
  Speaker 7: Donald, I hear you're free on Wednesdays.
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: Biden's comment to Trump, I hear you free on Wednesdays
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: as a reference to the fact that Wednesday is the
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: day he's not required in court in Manhattan. So the
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: sledging has already started. But Biden has already rigged the
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: whole thing, right, So he said, I'm going to debate
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: provided the first debate is on CNN and hosted by them.
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: The second debate is hosted by the ABC, which we
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: all know means Biden will have a little earpiece. He'll
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: be getting the questions in advance. He'll probably be greatly helped.
• 28:42
  Speaker 3: But greatly helped.
• 28:43
  Speaker 5: We are about to weakness the Manhattan Project of pharmaceutical simula,
• 28:50
  Speaker 5: because that guy is going to be standing out a
• 28:53
  Speaker 5: podium facing off with RFK, not just Donald Trump, RFK.
• 28:59
  Speaker 3: As well, and we show him.
• 29:01
  Speaker 5: Every other night barely able to string a sentence together.
• 29:05
  Speaker 3: So this is going to be a major feat for.
• 29:08
  Speaker 5: The pharmaceutical industry and I can't wait to see.
• 29:10
  Speaker 3: What they put.
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: Well Donald Trump, actually, so Donald Trump was asked, are
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: you going to accept? And it took Trump all of
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: half an hour to work out whether or not he'd
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: except he's totally up for it, and Trump said, of course,
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: someone to debate him. But he can't even string two
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: sentences together, which is wrong. Biden can string two sentences together,
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: it's just that one is not related at all to them.
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: That's quite true.
• 29:29
  Speaker 4: And because of that fact, as you say, Pharmaceuty was whatever,
• 29:33
  Speaker 4: don't underestimate Biden at these debates.
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: I would underestimate him at your peril. I know he does.
• 29:41
  Speaker 4: But they are going to put absolutely everything they possibly
• 29:44
  Speaker 4: can to have him at peak mental fitness, whatever that
• 29:49
  Speaker 4: looks like for Joe Biden at these debates.
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: They are doing fitness out go Biden.
• 29:53
  Speaker 4: They are going to call the same sentence absolutely all
• 29:57
  Speaker 4: the stops, even if it means they have to in
• 30:00
  Speaker 4: the bloke and put his skin on someone else to
• 30:03
  Speaker 4: put them up to do the debate.
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: They will absolutely do it. But why don't we go
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: through a few highlights?
• 30:10
  Speaker 5: Can I just say I'm curious about this though.
• 30:14
  Speaker 3: He's a bit of a comm theory.
• 30:15
  Speaker 5: For you, because this was such a sudden one eighty, right,
• 30:19
  Speaker 5: and his mental atuity has been questioned for as long
• 30:23
  Speaker 5: as his presidency has gone on. For this was a very,
• 30:26
  Speaker 5: very sudden one eighty And I do think that people
• 30:30
  Speaker 5: need to stop and ask themselves why, Because you say
• 30:33
  Speaker 5: they're going to throw everything at it. They're going to
• 30:35
  Speaker 5: make him seem bright, shiny, brand new.
• 30:37
  Speaker 3: Look at him.
• 30:37
  Speaker 5: He's got another four years in him, or is this
• 30:41
  Speaker 5: a setup? Is he destined to fail so that then
• 30:44
  Speaker 5: the Dems can turn around and be like Newsom one
• 30:47
  Speaker 5: of the other guys waiting.
• 30:49
  Speaker 3: In the wings, Get on your bike.
• 30:51
  Speaker 5: Because Newsom has been looking more and more presidential, He's
• 30:54
  Speaker 5: been getting a lot more press coverage in the States,
• 30:57
  Speaker 5: and we all know that none of this is ever
• 30:59
  Speaker 5: like what a coincidence in an election year. So I'm
• 31:04
  Speaker 5: just curious to see why the one eighty because I
• 31:09
  Speaker 5: very much doubt that it is to prove, oh, look
• 31:12
  Speaker 5: at him, he's one hundred percent, when they know better
• 31:14
  Speaker 5: than anyone he's not.
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: The other option is because I mean, he's tanking in
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: the polls, and if he can do a moderately good
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: job in the debate, there is the chance that Donald
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: Trump may self destruct because Trump can't help himself. But
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: go too far, go overboard. Maybe just counting on that,
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: but we've got to go to some highlights of previous debates.
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: Just have a look at this. I mean, if it
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: approaches anything like the last time they squared off, it's
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: just going to be fantastic.
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: Stand back and stand by. Are you in favor of
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: law and order?
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: I am in favor of law.
• 31:46
  Speaker 3: You fire law, law in.
• 31:54
  Speaker 7: Order with justice where people get treated fairly.
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: I'm a moderator of this debate, and I will like
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: you to let me ask my question and then you
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: can answer.
• 32:03
  Speaker 8: Your party wanted to go socialistic?
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: Party?
• 32:06
  Speaker 7: Is me socialist? Now? I am?
• 32:08
  Speaker 3: And they're going to dominate you.
• 32:09
  Speaker 7: Joe, you know that I am the Democratic Party right now.
• 32:13
  Speaker 7: The platform of the Democratic Party is what I in
• 32:16
  Speaker 7: fact approved of.
• 32:17
  Speaker 8: First of all, I guess I'm debating you, not him,
• 32:19
  Speaker 8: But that's okay. I'm not surprised.
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: It's going to be hectic. But before we move on
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: to another topic, we're just going to show you one
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: more clip from their previous debate. This is my favorite.
• 32:29
  Speaker 7: A lot of people died and a lot more going
• 32:31
  Speaker 7: to die unless he gets a lot smarter a lot.
• 32:35
  Speaker 8: Did you use the word smart? So you said you
• 32:39
  Speaker 8: went to Delaware State, but you forgot the name of
• 32:41
  Speaker 8: your college. You didn't go to Delaware State. You graduated
• 32:45
  Speaker 8: either the lowest or almost the lowest in your class.
• 32:48
  Speaker 8: Don't ever use the word smart with me. Don't ever
• 32:50
  Speaker 8: use that word. Oh give me, because you know what,
• 32:53
  Speaker 8: there's nothing smart about you.
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: Joe Trump is the master of one line, it's going.
• 32:58
  Speaker 5: To be what he was referring to. There was the
• 33:01
  Speaker 5: bald face lies that Joe Biden has told about his
• 33:05
  Speaker 5: academic record. He said he went to this university, said
• 33:08
  Speaker 5: he graduated top of his class, said he won a scholarship.
• 33:11
  Speaker 3: None of it was true.
• 33:14
  Speaker 5: I think that was back in the seventies or something that,
• 33:17
  Speaker 5: maybe the eighties, but you can still watch it online
• 33:20
  Speaker 5: him telling these bald face lies about how smart he
• 33:23
  Speaker 5: is and.
• 33:23
  Speaker 3: What a incredible student he was. And that's why Trump
• 33:27
  Speaker 3: was like, don't.
• 33:28
  Speaker 5: Use that with me, quick one before we go to
• 33:31
  Speaker 5: an ad break in Peru this week, they've decided to
• 33:36
  Speaker 5: classify trans, non binary people as well as intersex people
• 33:41
  Speaker 5: as mentally ill.
• 33:42
  Speaker 3: They have said they've.
• 33:43
  Speaker 5: Done this in order to ensure that these those who
• 33:48
  Speaker 5: identify as all of the above get the mental health
• 33:51
  Speaker 5: assistance that they need. And they noted the inordinate or
• 33:57
  Speaker 5: shall I say, unbalanced, proportion of their mental health budget
• 34:02
  Speaker 5: was being utilized by people who identify as trans, non binary,
• 34:08
  Speaker 5: and inter sex. So when you use that argument, it
• 34:11
  Speaker 5: actually seems common sensical.
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, they've said they've not done this to demonize
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: transgendered people. They've not done it to hurt transgendered people.
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: They say, our intent is to help to make sure
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: that mental health services are fully covered by insurance. Now activists,
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: of course, aren't happy about this. They say that this
• 34:30
  Speaker 2: is conversion therapy. But again, the Peruvian government have assured
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: the transgender community we're not going to force anyone to detransition,
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: but we just want to make sure that mental health
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: services are available. And it's acknowledged worldwide that transgendered people
• 34:47
  Speaker 2: do have more mental health issues than the general population.
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: The argument is over why that is, but the Peruvian
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: government made this decision as a way of helping. Obviously
• 34:58
  Speaker 2: there's been pushed back.
• 35:00
  Speaker 4: Gender dysphoria itself is a medical condition, right, so surely
• 35:04
  Speaker 4: there ought to be a medical response to it. And
• 35:07
  Speaker 4: when you look at the number of people who are
• 35:10
  Speaker 4: now deciding years after they transitioned, whether that be medically
• 35:14
  Speaker 4: through chemicals and hormone treatment, etc. Or even surgically in
• 35:18
  Speaker 4: terms of trying to change their genitals, the number of
• 35:21
  Speaker 4: people who are now saying that they regret the changes
• 35:25
  Speaker 4: they made, it would seem an entirely humane thing to
• 35:29
  Speaker 4: do to say that, in the first instance, there ought
• 35:32
  Speaker 4: to be a mental health intervention here. Now, I have
• 35:35
  Speaker 4: no doubt that there are people who seriously suffer with
• 35:38
  Speaker 4: gender dysphoria, and I feel really sad and sorry for them,
• 35:42
  Speaker 4: and they have to work through that, and that can't
• 35:44
  Speaker 4: be an easy thing to deal with. That itself creates
• 35:47
  Speaker 4: its own mental health issues. But the number of people
• 35:49
  Speaker 4: who are increasingly coming out as having been a confused
• 35:52
  Speaker 4: child and then in adulthood thoroughly regretting what they had
• 35:56
  Speaker 4: done when they were a child and the road they
• 35:59
  Speaker 4: were led down in order to be able to do
• 36:01
  Speaker 4: that as a child, surely we should be saying there
• 36:04
  Speaker 4: are mental health issues here. You should be talking to
• 36:07
  Speaker 4: a doctor not about the easiest way to change your gender,
• 36:12
  Speaker 4: but about the way you are feeling and what you
• 36:14
  Speaker 4: are experiencing and why you are confused, because clearly, in
• 36:19
  Speaker 4: many of these cases there are underlying issues there. It's
• 36:22
  Speaker 4: not just about I think I was born in the
• 36:24
  Speaker 4: wrong body. There's a lot more to it than that.
• 36:27
  Speaker 4: The science and the medicine is starting to acknowledge that.
• 36:30
  Speaker 4: A lot of the gender the gender health clinics overseas,
• 36:34
  Speaker 4: including Tavistock in the UK, and there's even reviews going
• 36:37
  Speaker 4: on in our country now into this stuff about gender
• 36:40
  Speaker 4: transition with children in particular, it is changing. Why would
• 36:44
  Speaker 4: we not take a mental health angle on all of this.
• 36:47
  Speaker 2: Well, we're going to go to a break when we
• 36:49
  Speaker 2: come back. Look at what's making news in the papers tomorrow,
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: including just how much Stop and Go sign holders are
• 36:54
  Speaker 2: being paid in Melbourne. You will not believe it. That's
• 36:57
  Speaker 2: coming up at a moment. Well, Peter Dutton gave his
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: Budget reply speech this evening and so Liz, obviously that's
• 37:05
  Speaker 2: what the Australian are leading with tomorrow.
• 37:07
  Speaker 5: Indeed, the splash reads Dutton's future made in basics. I
• 37:12
  Speaker 5: think they're playing off the Albanesi's government.
• 37:16
  Speaker 3: Made in Australia.
• 37:18
  Speaker 5: Peter Dutton will slash the permanent migration program by twenty
• 37:22
  Speaker 5: five percent, ben foreign investors and temporary residents from buying
• 37:27
  Speaker 5: existing homes, and reduce the number of international students to
• 37:30
  Speaker 5: free up more than one hundred thousand houses for Australians
• 37:35
  Speaker 5: over five years.
• 37:37
  Speaker 3: These are to be the.
• 37:39
  Speaker 5: Iceberg in terms of the awesome things that he had
• 37:41
  Speaker 5: to say in his Budget reply speech, but they're so
• 37:44
  Speaker 5: common sense that reading them you're just like, why aren't
• 37:50
  Speaker 5: were we doing this?
• 37:51
  Speaker 3: Already.
• 37:53
  Speaker 5: You don't have to be an expert in any of
• 37:55
  Speaker 5: these fields to know, Okay, that is going to make
• 37:58
  Speaker 5: life a lot more livable for millions of assies quite quickly.
• 38:02
  Speaker 3: Why aren't we doing these?
• 38:03
  Speaker 2: And as you said, on top of that, he talked
• 38:05
  Speaker 2: about crime and proposed a whole of laws that they'll implement,
• 38:09
  Speaker 2: and of course his background as a police officer, that'll
• 38:12
  Speaker 2: resonate with people. Crimes a major issue. And as well
• 38:15
  Speaker 2: as proposing nuclear, talked about unlocking our gas reserves, which
• 38:19
  Speaker 2: most people, in fact, even the government themselves admit we're
• 38:22
  Speaker 2: going to need gas to get to net zero. So
• 38:26
  Speaker 2: he's proposing let's unlock gas. There's a whole lot of
• 38:28
  Speaker 2: stuff in this. It just all makes sense.
• 38:30
  Speaker 5: Yeah, Brillion, I was like early election follows.
• 38:34
  Speaker 3: I know we need nineteen seats.
• 38:35
  Speaker 5: It's a big ass for common DUTs do it for
• 38:37
  Speaker 5: the country.
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: I think it's a very big task.
• 38:40
  Speaker 4: But as Sharri basically said earlier in the evening, it
• 38:44
  Speaker 4: sounded more like an election pitch than a budget In
• 38:48
  Speaker 4: reply speech, it went well beyond budget terms and essentially
• 38:52
  Speaker 4: into policy in other areas.
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: That's what he used the opportunity for.
• 38:56
  Speaker 4: And I was so glad to hear him talking about
• 38:59
  Speaker 4: housing a ford ability right, because you've had leaders talk
• 39:02
  Speaker 4: in vain about housing affordability, but it only gets worse.
• 39:06
  Speaker 4: And I've said many times that the biggest threat to
• 39:10
  Speaker 4: conservatism worldwide, but particularly here in Australia with the rate
• 39:14
  Speaker 4: of property prices going up, is housing affordability. Because if
• 39:19
  Speaker 4: you don't own something, you don't have anything to conserve.
• 39:23
  Speaker 4: You need something of your own to protect and look
• 39:27
  Speaker 4: after and want to grow, et cetera, et ce.
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: Right, So if you don't own a home, you lose.
• 39:32
  Speaker 4: All of those touchstones that give you a sense of
• 39:36
  Speaker 4: what conservatism is about because you have literally nothing of
• 39:40
  Speaker 4: your own, nothing to conserve. Every conservative government in the world,
• 39:46
  Speaker 4: then one of the number one priorities should be housing affordability,
• 39:50
  Speaker 4: getting young people into the housing market, because once they
• 39:54
  Speaker 4: have a piece of the economic pie and a piece
• 39:57
  Speaker 4: of the property pie, they'll realize the realit living in
• 40:00
  Speaker 4: the world, and that's when their views on things start
• 40:03
  Speaker 4: to change.
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: I think it's thoroughly important for.
• 40:06
  Speaker 3: A young person as an individual.
• 40:08
  Speaker 5: It gives them such a sense of purpose and meaning
• 40:11
  Speaker 5: as well, like this is my patch.
• 40:15
  Speaker 3: We've got to get on top of this, for the
• 40:17
  Speaker 3: sake of.
• 40:17
  Speaker 5: The future, next splash, Labor senator censured for from River
• 40:22
  Speaker 5: to the Sea.
• 40:23
  Speaker 3: The Senate has condemned the use of the phrase from
• 40:26
  Speaker 3: the river to the sea Palestine will be free, a.
• 40:29
  Speaker 5: Day after the slogan was used by first term Labor
• 40:32
  Speaker 5: Senator Fatima Payman. I'm mean a push from the Victoria's
• 40:35
  Speaker 5: left faction to pass anti Israel motions at state conference,
• 40:40
  Speaker 5: so their government comes out condemns this floody blah. We
• 40:45
  Speaker 5: know you're talking out of both sides of your mouth
• 40:46
  Speaker 5: because you prove it every other day. But this was
• 40:49
  Speaker 5: also the day that the crazy Greens lady, the Greens
• 40:55
  Speaker 5: lady Lydia thought form was allowed to continue to wear
• 40:59
  Speaker 5: a kefia in our Senate well.
• 41:01
  Speaker 2: The motion was moved by Simon Birmingham. It was supported
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: by Penny Wong. Curiously, the Labor senator who used the phrase,
• 41:10
  Speaker 2: she was missing from the Senate, but Labor colleagues voted
• 41:14
  Speaker 2: to the statement. The only ones who didn't vote to
• 41:18
  Speaker 2: condemn the statement, obviously were the Greens. And as you said,
• 41:22
  Speaker 2: Lydia Thorpe, who made a rather fiery speech, will show
• 41:26
  Speaker 2: you that speech now. I know, you can just see
• 41:30
  Speaker 2: her making the speech. They're wearing the keffia, if you will.
• 41:34
  Speaker 2: Pauline Hanson was told to remove a Israeli scarf. Yes,
• 41:38
  Speaker 2: So we were wondering why does Pauline Hanson not able
• 41:41
  Speaker 2: to wear an Israeli scarf but Lydia Thorpe is able
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: to wear the kefia. I believe because the Israeli scarf
• 41:48
  Speaker 2: is seen definitively as political, whereas the kefia is still
• 41:51
  Speaker 2: regarded as a fashion.
• 41:52
  Speaker 4: State because even though we all know it has political
• 41:55
  Speaker 4: because the Israeli scarf has rioting on it and whatever
• 41:58
  Speaker 4: is the kefia is a cultural garment, but we know.
• 42:00
  Speaker 5: The content to say that, we know the context statement.
• 42:06
  Speaker 4: A cultural fashion item, but the context in which they are.
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: Wearing it is entirely political. Right, So the.
• 42:14
  Speaker 2: Victorian Parliament recognized by banding Greens to wear.
• 42:18
  Speaker 4: Victoria, so surely it should be treated in the same way,
• 42:21
  Speaker 4: even though it may have a different history in terms
• 42:23
  Speaker 4: of you know, I mean that scarf that Pauline Hansen
• 42:26
  Speaker 4: wore yesterday. There's no historical significance to that scarf whatsoever.
• 42:29
  Speaker 4: But surely they're both being used in a political manner.
• 42:33
  Speaker 4: They both ought to be treated in the same way
• 42:35
  Speaker 4: I would have thought.
• 42:36
  Speaker 2: Let's go to the front page of the Herald's Sun.
• 42:38
  Speaker 2: If you're looking for a new job, Melbourne is the
• 42:41
  Speaker 2: place exclusive story stop, go paddle pop holders are now
• 42:45
  Speaker 2: earning two hundred and six thousand dollars a year amid
• 42:49
  Speaker 2: c FMEU takeover of Victoria's big bill dollar signs is
• 42:54
  Speaker 2: the headline entry level labor as this applies to on
• 42:57
  Speaker 2: building sites, getting two hundred and six and a year.
• 43:01
  Speaker 2: On top of that, the CFMEU are making sure that
• 43:04
  Speaker 2: their mates are getting contracts on building sites though quoting
• 43:09
  Speaker 2: twice the price of non union aligned competitors. So if
• 43:14
  Speaker 2: you're part of the CFMU in Melbourne, you're on a
• 43:17
  Speaker 2: good wicket.
• 43:17
  Speaker 4: Well, I might just have to get my CFMU ticket
• 43:20
  Speaker 4: and when I leave here at eleven pm every night,
• 43:23
  Speaker 4: go and start to working.
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: On the lollipops. Reckon. It sounds like a great way
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: to top up.
• 43:27
  Speaker 5: My Invictorian should be railing against this. The article goes
• 43:31
  Speaker 5: on to say industry whistleblowers say that the CFMEU takeover
• 43:35
  Speaker 5: of the state's taxpayer funded major infrastructure program has driven
• 43:39
  Speaker 5: up traffic management.
• 43:40
  Speaker 3: Costs alone alone.
• 43:42
  Speaker 5: So that's just this little bit by more than three
• 43:45
  Speaker 5: hundred and eighty million dollars. That's taxpayers paying three hundred
• 43:52
  Speaker 5: and eighty million dollars for exactly what they would have
• 43:54
  Speaker 5: been getting regardless had the CFMEU not come along and
• 43:59
  Speaker 5: just been like, we're going to make everything way more expensive,
• 44:02
  Speaker 5: so our guys get way more.
• 44:03
  Speaker 3: Taxpayer dollars and screw the taxpayer.
• 44:05
  Speaker 2: That's fine. Now why you're upsettlers. If you want a
• 44:08
  Speaker 2: labor state government, that's just the problect.
• 44:10
  Speaker 4: That's what you get with with labor governments and bolshy unions.
• 44:13
  Speaker 4: I mean, for all the things you can say about
• 44:17
  Speaker 4: the CFMU, you can't accuse them of not doing the
• 44:20
  Speaker 4: best for their members because.
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: They're pretty bloody effective.
• 44:23
  Speaker 4: That Let's go to the Courier mail where tomorrow they
• 44:26
  Speaker 4: say government's crazy stadium bill a billion dollars to shrink
• 44:31
  Speaker 4: the Gabba.
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: Can you believe this?
• 44:33
  Speaker 4: The state government's alternative plan for the Gabba could cost
• 44:38
  Speaker 4: one point one billion dollars and wait for it, cut
• 44:42
  Speaker 4: its capacity by about four thousand seats. Hang on a minute, now,
• 44:49
  Speaker 4: we know that the Queensland government commissioned a report into
• 44:53
  Speaker 4: what infrastructure that they would require for the Olympic Games
• 44:56
  Speaker 4: in twenty thirty two. It came back and made a
• 44:59
  Speaker 4: bunch of suggests, all of which were chucked out the window.
• 45:02
  Speaker 4: Now they say, well, we can tap the gabber up
• 45:05
  Speaker 4: a bit, but it'll have fewer seats.
• 45:07
  Speaker 2: What imagine if they spent two billion dollars they could
• 45:10
  Speaker 2: get rid of eight thousands. Don't they just keep going?
• 45:14
  Speaker 5: It's just necessary to reach code compliance and prevent it
• 45:18
  Speaker 5: from deteriorating.
• 45:19
  Speaker 3: I'm just like, just change the.
• 45:20
  Speaker 5: Code, seriously for a billion barts.
• 45:23
  Speaker 2: Just change the code for two point seven billion dollars.
• 45:25
  Speaker 2: They said they could just demolish the entire thing and
• 45:28
  Speaker 2: rebuild it with more seats, so I might as well
• 45:30
  Speaker 2: to spend the extra billion. And I mean, it's all
• 45:32
  Speaker 2: this money.
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: Right, I know.
• 45:34
  Speaker 4: I just looked if only in Queensland can you get
• 45:37
  Speaker 4: away with this kind of thing? I mean, you know,
• 45:38
  Speaker 4: remember back in the days of Joe bi Ilki Peterson
• 45:41
  Speaker 4: there were developments going up left, right and sent her
• 45:44
  Speaker 4: and you know, maybe there were a few brown paper
• 45:46
  Speaker 4: bags under the counter as well.
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: It is Queensland, let's.
• 45:51
  Speaker 4: Just go back to the good old days of brown
• 45:53
  Speaker 4: paper bags and get this thing done for five hundred
• 45:56
  Speaker 4: million dollars.
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: Surely it's possible in Queensland.
• 46:00
  Speaker 2: That one moment we're like railing against the Union's arts
• 46:03
  Speaker 2: or corrupted, then the next minute we're like we just
• 46:04
  Speaker 2: need brown paper.
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: Exactly, bring it back.
• 46:07
  Speaker 5: It worked for Joe Jerrymander the heck out of this thing.
• 46:10
  Speaker 3: Joe was the best at that quickly to the.
• 46:12
  Speaker 5: Daily Telegraph, Now work boom eludes more than three hundred
• 46:16
  Speaker 5: thousand long term jobless stuck in misery lane. Whose fault
• 46:21
  Speaker 5: is that almost three hundred and twenty thousand Australians have
• 46:25
  Speaker 5: been unemployed for between two years and an entire decade,
• 46:29
  Speaker 5: despite living through the biggest jobs booms in Australia's history. Okay,
• 46:34
  Speaker 5: so what point do we just go? Okay, we are
• 46:38
  Speaker 5: kicking you off the state's teat the end, I mean
• 46:42
  Speaker 5: that many people, that's a third of a million people
• 46:47
  Speaker 5: for jobless between two and ten years. That is a
• 46:52
  Speaker 5: lot of years between them. Clearly you just don't want
• 46:55
  Speaker 5: a job.
• 46:55
  Speaker 2: The article goes on to say that one recruiter says
• 46:58
  Speaker 2: many jobless people deliverly apply for jobs. They have no
• 47:02
  Speaker 2: chance couditing, so they can tick the box and continue
• 47:05
  Speaker 2: to get their.
• 47:06
  Speaker 3: It's a mentality. They're just like, why would I work
• 47:08
  Speaker 3: for money? You doesn't been giving it to me free
• 47:10
  Speaker 3: for rags.
• 47:11
  Speaker 2: We're going to go to a break when we come back.
• 47:13
  Speaker 2: Speaking of money, you won't believe what the Victorian government
• 47:16
  Speaker 2: are investing in space tourism. What could go wrong? It's
• 47:19
  Speaker 2: coming up in a moment. Well, the Victorian government can't
• 47:24
  Speaker 2: afford hospitals, but they've decided to invest thirty seven million
• 47:27
  Speaker 2: dollars in space tourism. They're investing in a US company
• 47:32
  Speaker 2: that are proposers to sell people the opportunity to go
• 47:35
  Speaker 2: up into space. It'll be amazing if it comes off,
• 47:38
  Speaker 2: just like the Commonwealth Games would have been amazing if
• 47:39
  Speaker 2: it came off, and the East West Link would have
• 47:41
  Speaker 2: been amazing if it came off. This company is paying
• 47:45
  Speaker 2: is charging seventy five thousand dollars. You can buy the
• 47:47
  Speaker 2: tickets now to take off from the Great Barrier Reef.
• 47:50
  Speaker 2: Though they've not yet received approval for these flights. They're
• 47:54
  Speaker 2: proposing to put control headquarters in Melbourne, and the Victorian
• 47:58
  Speaker 2: Government believe that this will create hundreds of jobs. If
• 48:01
  Speaker 2: they'd done their research though they would have found that
• 48:04
  Speaker 2: this company had been sued in Arizona, where they made
• 48:07
  Speaker 2: a similar promise and failed to provide anywhere near the
• 48:09
  Speaker 2: jobs promised. Just another project in Victoria is that you
• 48:14
  Speaker 2: know is going to go exactly as Durians.
• 48:17
  Speaker 3: Just get out of there, Just get out of there.
• 48:19
  Speaker 5: But before we leave you tonight, this has got to
• 48:21
  Speaker 5: be one of the weirdest stories you will ever hear
• 48:24
  Speaker 5: in your entire life.
• 48:25
  Speaker 3: Algeria.
• 48:27
  Speaker 5: Right, this guy's abducted at seventeen.
• 48:30
  Speaker 3: Years of age.
• 48:30
  Speaker 5: His family think he's dead, but twenty seven years later
• 48:34
  Speaker 5: he's just been discovered.
• 48:37
  Speaker 3: Two hundred meters down the road.
• 48:40
  Speaker 5: Turns out he's in He was abducted by his neighbor,
• 48:44
  Speaker 5: held captive by his neighbor for those twenty seven years.
• 48:48
  Speaker 3: Here's some footage of him.
• 48:50
  Speaker 5: Being discovered down some sort of well, that was some
• 49:07
  Speaker 5: sort of commotion outside the hospital after he was discovered.
• 49:11
  Speaker 3: Get this.
• 49:12
  Speaker 5: He says that he couldn't call out for help during
• 49:16
  Speaker 5: these twenty seven years because he was under some sort.
• 49:19
  Speaker 3: Of spell by his captor. Caleb.
• 49:21
  Speaker 4: I just cannot get over this story. If this wasn't real,
• 49:24
  Speaker 4: you'd have to write it. But as in so many
• 49:26
  Speaker 4: of these cases. Real life is stranger than fiction.
• 49:29
  Speaker 2: That's it from us, stick around, coming up in just
• 49:31
  Speaker 2: a moment. It is the readependent show.