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Mystic Pizza with Hallie Bateman · The Bechdel Cast

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  Speaker 1: On the Bell Cast, the questions asked if movies have
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  Speaker 1: women in um, are all their discussions just boyfriends and husbands,
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  Speaker 1: or do they have individualism the patriarchy? Zef In best
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  Speaker 1: start changing it with the Bell Cast. Jamie, Yeah, I
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  Speaker 1: have a secret recipe for my pizza, but I can't
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  Speaker 1: tell you yet why. I don't know. I'm not retired.
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  Speaker 1: The reasons unclear. It's just a secret. Okay, it's just
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  Speaker 1: a secret. Oh, you know what I've heard, and I
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  Speaker 1: think what the actual reason would be. It's said a
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  Speaker 1: woman's heart as an ocean full of secrets, including is
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  Speaker 1: that what Rose to it Pikater was talking about at
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  Speaker 1: the end of Titanic. It's the pizza sauce from Mystic Pizza,
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  Speaker 1: exactly what she's talking about. I thought she's a big
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  Speaker 1: fan of that movie. Honestly. Oh, she could have seen it. Wow,
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  Speaker 1: that's so interesting to think about Rose to Wippycator canonically
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  Speaker 1: could have seen pizza. She seems like she would go
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  Speaker 1: to the movies. She's like a she's a regular lady.
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  Speaker 1: I bet her and her granddaughter went. Yeah, I mean
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  Speaker 1: her granddaughter seems like she would have been like the
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  Speaker 1: target demo, especially in. I mean, she certainly loved to
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  Speaker 1: tease her hair, much like Julia Roberts. There. Wow, okay,
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  Speaker 1: well you know what. Here's here's something, here's something that's
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  Speaker 1: going to pass the Becktel cat test. Oh god, I
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  Speaker 1: don't give a ship within your pieces as Caitlin, I
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  Speaker 1: don't care. I'm not interested. That is my feminism. I understand.
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  Speaker 1: That's that's perfectly okay. Wow, well test. Welcome to the
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  Speaker 1: Bechtel Cast, which is the name of the podcast, which
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  Speaker 1: is about the Bechdel Test sort of, I mean barely well,
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  Speaker 1: yes and no. Mostly about pizza what's in it and
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  Speaker 1: women's hearts being deep oceans of secrets. I feel like
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  Speaker 1: the secret ingredient to everything is like a thousand Island dressing,
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  Speaker 1: but that that couldn't be the case in this case,
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  Speaker 1: or unless unless, unless it's thousand Island dress, I'll never tell.
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  Speaker 1: This is our This is our podcast where we take
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  Speaker 1: a look at your favorite movies using an intersectional feminist lens. Yes,
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  Speaker 1: and we do use the Becktel test simply as a
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  Speaker 1: jumping off point to inspire a larger conversation. And the
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  Speaker 1: Bechtel test is, of course a media metric created by
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  Speaker 1: queer cartoonist Alison Bechtel, sometimes called the Bechtel Wallace test,
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  Speaker 1: in which our variation on the test is two people
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  Speaker 1: of a marginalized gender have to have names, have to
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  Speaker 1: speak to each other, and that conversation has to be
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  Speaker 1: about something other than a man slash. Again, another little
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  Speaker 1: twist we have on it is does it fit those criteria?
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  Speaker 1: And also is it a meaningful conversation to the narrative
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  Speaker 1: or is it a quick exchange that could easily be
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  Speaker 1: removed from the story and nothing would be changed. Fortunately,
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  Speaker 1: not too much to worry about today, although you know,
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  Speaker 1: we'll talk about it, and we have an incredible guest
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  Speaker 1: per usual to talk about this genuinely lovely movie. Oh
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  Speaker 1: my gosh, I can't wait to talk about it. And
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  Speaker 1: our guest is a writer and illustrator. Her work has
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  Speaker 1: been featured in The New Yorker, the New York Times.
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  Speaker 1: She has a new book up right now called Directions.
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  Speaker 1: It's available wherever books are sold. It's Hallie Bateman. Welcome, Welcome,
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  Speaker 1: thanks for being here. I'm so happy to be here.
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  Speaker 1: We're really happy to have you. And you brought us
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  Speaker 1: mystic pizza. You brought us actual yummy, yummy. Thank you
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  Speaker 1: so much. It's scrub. I came with pizza. I don't
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  Speaker 1: like to come empty handed. You know, we appreciate it.
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  Speaker 1: We thought it was really really kind of you to do. God,
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  Speaker 1: I feel like, yeah, we're just like Larpin being able
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  Speaker 1: to see people. Wow, thank you so much for bringing
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  Speaker 1: the pizza. Oh my goodness. Um, tell us about your relationship,
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  Speaker 1: your history with the movie Mystic Pizza. Yeah, so my
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  Speaker 1: story with Mystic Pizza is just that it was like
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  Speaker 1: love at first viewing. I just loved this movie from
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  Speaker 1: the first time I saw it. I think that was
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  Speaker 1: I don't remember exactly how old I was. I think
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  Speaker 1: it was like late high school, early college, like came
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  Speaker 1: across it somehow, and it wasn't like I saw it
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  Speaker 1: and I was immediately like, oh, this is my favorite movie.
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  Speaker 1: It was just the kind of thing that like every
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  Speaker 1: time I like rewatched it or like revisited it, I
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  Speaker 1: was like, oh, this is like my favorite movie. Like
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  Speaker 1: this just movie just as good and I and surprising,
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  Speaker 1: and like I have a huge affinity for like Gilmore girls,
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  Speaker 1: Like I'm a real Gilmore Girls obsessive. So the sort
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  Speaker 1: of like East Coast like environment, Like I grew up
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  Speaker 1: on the mountain and the booneyes in the West coast,
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  Speaker 1: so there was something very like appealing and like different
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  Speaker 1: about like lobsters and like the Atlantic Ocean that was
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  Speaker 1: just like so exotic to me. And so and I
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  Speaker 1: love like cable knit sweaters and like fall leaves. So
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  Speaker 1: it's just got the whole package plus like Julia Roberts,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, it's just it's a sexual awakening in Her
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  Speaker 1: hair is so big. I love it. There's an entire
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  Speaker 1: like hole in the Ozone lair dedicated to her hair.
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  Speaker 1: Her hair has like a metamorphosis throughout the movie. Like
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  Speaker 1: it's yeah, it's incredible. Yeah, I kind of hope that
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  Speaker 1: look comes back. I was as I was watching it,
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  Speaker 1: I'm like, teased hair. It's time, it's time. I'm ready, Jamie,
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  Speaker 1: I think you could really get this trend started again,
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  Speaker 1: really messy hair. It would it would be a trend
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  Speaker 1: that would work in my favor, right. I do think
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  Speaker 1: she pulls it off like better than anyone else has.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, true, it's a hard look to land. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: she nails it, though, she does. Jamie, what's your relationship
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  Speaker 1: with this movie? Um? I had never seen this movie before,
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  Speaker 1: which is I kind of I guess I'm kind of surprised.
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  Speaker 1: I've seen a lot of rom coms and this movie.
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  Speaker 1: I grew up in New England, and so I don't
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  Speaker 1: know why I wasn't like held down and made to
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  Speaker 1: watch this movie as a kid, but it wasn't. But
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  Speaker 1: I really really enjoyed it. They were like, I don't,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know, like because the movie came out in
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  Speaker 1: eight eight. I was just like, well, you know, we'll
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  Speaker 1: see how this hold up. And I definitely have some
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  Speaker 1: you know, like thoughts on it, but in general, I
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  Speaker 1: thought it was a really well written and thoughtful movie
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  Speaker 1: that reminded me. I guess I'm a little biased because
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  Speaker 1: it's like three poor like friends who were all like
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  Speaker 1: sort of related but sort of not. Reminds me a
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  Speaker 1: lot of my childhood, and and Mystic reminds me a
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  Speaker 1: lot of where my mom lives, which is like a
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  Speaker 1: fishing town in Massachusetts with a huge wealth gap because
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  Speaker 1: my mom famously loves to date lobster fisherman. And so
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  Speaker 1: a lot of this was Ransom Bells. I was like,
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  Speaker 1: oh yeah, like just like boogie people walking among the
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  Speaker 1: regular people and being like Wow, this is so cute.
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  Speaker 1: Is like something that is uh very recognizable to me.
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  Speaker 1: So I liked I I felt like this movie captured
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  Speaker 1: that in a in a really cool way. Uh, Kitler,
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  Speaker 1: and what's your history with this movie? I also had
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  Speaker 1: never seen this movie. I will say it's the type
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  Speaker 1: of movie that I'm not generally drawn towards. Like I
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  Speaker 1: like a good character driven movie here and there, but
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  Speaker 1: I also tend to prefer, you know, adventures and romps
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  Speaker 1: and such of course, so I wasn't sure if I
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  Speaker 1: would like this or not. But then I was very
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  Speaker 1: much taken by surprise and that I did like it
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  Speaker 1: a lot, and I yeah, I think it holds up
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  Speaker 1: pretty well for a movie from the eighties. I love Jojo.
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  Speaker 1: I did take a not a BuzzFeed quiz, but like
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  Speaker 1: a similar quiz. It was like zoo dot com. I
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  Speaker 1: was like, where did you find this website? I just
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  Speaker 1: googled like BuzzFeed Mystic Pizza question Mars and this quiz
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  Speaker 1: came up. I did get Jojo as which Mystic Pizza
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  Speaker 1: character are you? So I was very pleased with the results.
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  Speaker 1: I got Cat. Wow. So that makes me, Julia, I
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  Speaker 1: feel like and I'm by by default. I guess I'm
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  Speaker 1: fine with that, or this recording really isn't gonna work.
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  Speaker 1: It's like when you're doing a sex in the city
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  Speaker 1: like joke with your friends and you're naming who each
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  Speaker 1: one is, and then whoever's left over it just has
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  Speaker 1: to be the fourth character, right. So yeah, I was
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  Speaker 1: pleasantly surprised with this movie. I have been to Mystic
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  Speaker 1: Support before, so I've been to this town. Yeah, I
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  Speaker 1: went with my family sometime in elementary school. Um, and
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  Speaker 1: I do have a memory of this place. So did
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  Speaker 1: you go to the pizzeria? No, we did not. I'm
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  Speaker 1: so sorry. That's okay, go back, though. I wonder, Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I wonder how I mean, Hallie and I apparently both
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  Speaker 1: Today we're on the official Mystic Pizza location website to
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  Speaker 1: try to get T shirts that are like the ones
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  Speaker 1: in the movie, And it seems like it's become a
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  Speaker 1: real like the movie made the pizza place like more famous,
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  Speaker 1: and they just leaned into it. They're like, yeah, whatever
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  Speaker 1: the movie said, that's what it's like. But the movie
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  Speaker 1: would not exist without the pizzeria exact, which is like
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  Speaker 1: a wild confluence of events, right, It's like a Chicken
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  Speaker 1: and Egg, but like, wow, which came first? It was
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  Speaker 1: the pizzeria. Should I do the recap and we'll go
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  Speaker 1: from there? Yeah, let's do it. So we are in Mystic, Connecticut,
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  Speaker 1: which is a small fishing community with a significant population
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  Speaker 1: of Portuguese American families. The movie focuses on three best
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  Speaker 1: friends to who are sisters Daisy and cat Arugo, who
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  Speaker 1: are played by Julia Roberts and Annabeth Gish respectively. They
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  Speaker 1: are good friends with Jojo Barboza, who was played by
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  Speaker 1: Lily Taylor. We open on JoJo's wedding to Bill, and
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  Speaker 1: that is Vincent Dinofrio, Young Vincent Dinofrio. I wasn't prepared same, Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: he's so huge. He's such a huge man. I was
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  Speaker 1: trying to rack my brain and like, have I seen
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  Speaker 1: him in anything else besides the like alien villain in
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  Speaker 1: Men in Black? I've seen him in Law and Ordered
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  Speaker 1: Criminal Intent with my mom. That's where I had seen him.
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  Speaker 1: But I'm looking, where is he yet? He was in
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  Speaker 1: full metal jacket, haven't seen it? He was in a
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  Speaker 1: show called the series in don't Men in Black? Is
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  Speaker 1: he the guy who says sugar water? Correct? That's an
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  Speaker 1: iconic performance that my brothers and I were absolutely obsessed
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  Speaker 1: with replicating. So that very dear to my heart, I
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  Speaker 1: think that's him right now. I'm going to be embarrassed
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  Speaker 1: if it's not. I'm pretty sure. Wait now, have not
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  Speaker 1: me googling Vincent Dinofrio sugar Water. It's also like his
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  Speaker 1: face like stretched over an alien at that point. Yes,
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  Speaker 1: it is, he is the sugar Water guy. Okay, that's
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  Speaker 1: what I thought. Cool, there's a whole Vulture article about it.
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  Speaker 1: Vincent Dinofrio is Men in Black, a sugar Water oral history. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: so obviously it's like a cultural touchstone that a lot
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  Speaker 1: of people are into. Sugar Water's impact was felt more
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  Speaker 1: than I could have imagined. And then also I wasn't
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  Speaker 1: ready for baby Matt Damon in this his first film appearance,
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  Speaker 1: I believe. Yeah, so such a baby, little little yuppy.
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  Speaker 1: But also like could be the same character from Goodwill
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  Speaker 1: Hunting based on geography, like he was you know, he
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  Speaker 1: was on the coast, Like it could be like young
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  Speaker 1: will you know? He could be like what is that
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  Speaker 1: other movie? He could be fantastic Mr ripley Ng and
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  Speaker 1: like has a identity a talented Mr Ripley talented. Mr
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  Speaker 1: that was fantastic. Mr Fox. You know what, let's just
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  Speaker 1: recap the movie. Okay, so um. We opened on JoJo's
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  Speaker 1: wedding to Bill. She faints because women beat fainting, but
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  Speaker 1: she faints for a funny reason. She faints at the
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  Speaker 1: thought of a long term commitment and the wedding gets
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  Speaker 1: called off. That priest in that scene was cracking me up.
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  Speaker 1: Like the that that guy gave a performance of Like
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  Speaker 1: I didn't write down any of the quotes, but it's
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  Speaker 1: like you will be together until your last bread so good.
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  Speaker 1: And then like JoJo's face is so good. She just
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  Speaker 1: looks not like she's like absolutely like paralyzed with fear,
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  Speaker 1: and I love that. It's like the music and like
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  Speaker 1: the camera being like first person just makes it like
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  Speaker 1: a full horror movie like her wedding day. Also, was
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  Speaker 1: there only one style of Fred Smids stress for the
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  Speaker 1: entire decade of the eighties. I feel like we have
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  Speaker 1: seen that exact dress in so and including like my
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  Speaker 1: parents wedding too. It just seems like it's not just
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  Speaker 1: in movies like that. I you know, no disrespect to
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  Speaker 1: people who would wear that dress, but that hideous dress
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  Speaker 1: has been worn by so many people. It's like flammable fabric,
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  Speaker 1: Like whatever it is, it just looks like it would
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  Speaker 1: catch on fire really easily. I it's shocking to me. Like,
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  Speaker 1: even if it's a rich person's wedding, they have that dress.
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  Speaker 1: If it's a poor person's wedding, they have that dress.
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  Speaker 1: Like everyone wore that ugly ass dress. Mystery the eighties,
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  Speaker 1: I know, truly. So then we cut to Daisy, Cat
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  Speaker 1: and Jojo at work. They all work at this place
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  Speaker 1: called Mystic Pizza, which is owned by Leanna played by
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  Speaker 1: Concata Farrell p R I P. Daisy's whole thing is
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  Speaker 1: that she's kind of crass. She swears, she's a big flirt.
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  Speaker 1: Her sister Cat, by comparison, is far more modest and reserved.
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  Speaker 1: She's like the good girl of the family. Um and
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  Speaker 1: then like Joe Joe, how to describe her, She's she's wacky.
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  Speaker 1: She has a bit of a frantic energy. Bill is
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  Speaker 1: humiliated about the wedding and how it went wrong, but
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  Speaker 1: he still wants to get married and Joe Joe is like, uh,
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  Speaker 1: you know, I do love you Bill, but I don't
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  Speaker 1: know about this whole marriage thing. Meanwhile, Cat gets a
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  Speaker 1: second job working for this guy, Tim Traverse, babysitting for
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  Speaker 1: his young daughter, Phoebe. Tim is also just like another
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  Speaker 1: person who like only could have existed in the eighties,
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  Speaker 1: just like looks wise, like where did all those people go?
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  Speaker 1: And that look exactly that way? Hate? I hate Tim.
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  Speaker 1: M Yes, Tim is absolutely trash. Um. Okay, so she
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  Speaker 1: gets a job babysitting while Tim's wife. His wife is
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  Speaker 1: working overseas because she's trying to save up money because
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  Speaker 1: she got into Yale to study astronomy and she and
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  Speaker 1: her friends are all working class. Um, so you know,
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  Speaker 1: affording Yale will not be the easiest thing for Cat.
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  Speaker 1: You know who's not working class is this guy Charlie
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  Speaker 1: windsor Junior or whatever the ship. He's got like five names.
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  Speaker 1: I can't stand him there. Yeah, he's this rich yuppie
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  Speaker 1: kid who one night comes into a bar where Daisy
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  Speaker 1: Cat and Jojo are hanging out, and Daisy thinks he's
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  Speaker 1: cute and he takes a liking to Daisy and asks
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  Speaker 1: her to play pool with him, which she's really good at.
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  Speaker 1: That scene is so fun. Yeah, and then Charlie's like,
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  Speaker 1: but then his rich yuppy friends are like, let's get
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  Speaker 1: out of here. So then Helaurna, do you guys remember
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  Speaker 1: Lorna wished? She was just like why why can't we
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  Speaker 1: play pool at my house? It's like she has a
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  Speaker 1: fool table. It's like, shut up, Lorna. I thought it
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  Speaker 1: was so like there. It was really funny that it
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  Speaker 1: was like they came in and they ordered wine at
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  Speaker 1: a bar, and then the three girls the like Daisy
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  Speaker 1: gets so upset, She's like, what the fun how dare
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  Speaker 1: they like it is? It's as as uh, someone who's
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  Speaker 1: frequented towny bars. I'm like that tracks, that tracks, that's
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  Speaker 1: not the place to order white wine. Then we get
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  Speaker 1: a scene where Daisy, Kat and Joe were just hanging
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  Speaker 1: out there talking about their futures. Daisy feels kind of aimless.
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  Speaker 1: And then a few days later, Daisy comes home and
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  Speaker 1: there's Charlie talking to her mom and tests that one.
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  Speaker 1: I don't think it does very well love when someone
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  Speaker 1: just shows up. He had to have stalked her or
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  Speaker 1: detective her. I don't know, like even like for sure
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  Speaker 1: you just had to stop it. But it's like in
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  Speaker 1: a way that would be I mean, it's hard it's
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  Speaker 1: thankfully hard to find out what someone's addresses now, but
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  Speaker 1: you have to imagine it would have been even harder, like, well,
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  Speaker 1: how did he don't know? Maybe it's a rich person
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  Speaker 1: thing and he's just like you're a hard woman to
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  Speaker 1: track down or something. But then it's funny that she's
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  Speaker 1: almost not surprised. She's just like, yeah, men, men track
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  Speaker 1: me down all the time, Like this is scary. This
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  Speaker 1: is scary. And also her mom, I would be very
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  Speaker 1: protective of my daughter of some random guy just showed
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  Speaker 1: up and was like, I'm just here for your daughter
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  Speaker 1: I've barely actually ever spoken to. And then he like
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  Speaker 1: insults her mom and he's like, your mom needs a drink,
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  Speaker 1: Like you just look at what you're doing. Um. That
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  Speaker 1: was like one of the more eighties moments of this.
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  Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, we're just gonna let this fly right by. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: got it? Yeah, And then he takes Daisy out on
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  Speaker 1: a date in his red Porsche. They get to know
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  Speaker 1: each other. Turns out that he's an Ivy League school dropout. Meanwhile,
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  Speaker 1: Cat has been chatting with Tim Trevor's the guy that
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  Speaker 1: she baby sits for, and it seems like maybe something's
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  Speaker 1: developing there. Then back at Mystic Pizza, they watch this
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  Speaker 1: restaurant critic on TV who tends to give you know,
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  Speaker 1: scathing reviews, and they think that they should invite him
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  Speaker 1: to Mystic Pizza to try their signature pizza. Also, Leona
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  Speaker 1: has a secret recipe for the pizza. Um, but Leone
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  Speaker 1: is like, this guy's a pretentious moron. We're not going
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  Speaker 1: to have him here. So then Daisy and Charlie get closer.
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  Speaker 1: Kat and Tim are clearly developing feelings towards each other.
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  Speaker 1: Jojo and Bill are trying to reconnect. She is very
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  Speaker 1: horny for him. He doesn't get why she won't marry him.
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  Speaker 1: She's horny for his wrists. Yes, well, I do really
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  Speaker 1: appreciate how they just like blatantly objectify Bill in the
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  Speaker 1: scene where like Jojo is just like oh my god
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  Speaker 1: in his body, like it's just like it's it's right,
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: because later he's like you only like me for my dick,
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: and she's like, wow, I can't argue with that. That
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: whole Yeah, that whole storyline was like I was like
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: surprised by it because it's like so often the opposite
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: where it's like she's a prude and he all he
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: wants to do is get her a bet, but he's like, no,
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: the Lord doesn't want us to fuck, and she's like,
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: but I've already, and you're like, god, this is such
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: a new England issue. He's just like waiting around for
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: her to propose. Yeah, yeah, yeah. His whole thing is
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: like he loves her, he wants them to be married
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: and he wants this firm commitment instead of them kind
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: of like sneaking around. But then they have a fight
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: because he makes a joke and calls her a nympho,
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: which he like plasters on his boat. Yeah that was
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: some projecting on his part, yeah, and then she retaliates
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: by taking his truck and driving it to the country club,
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: where Daisy sees Charlie with another woman. So she dumps
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: to like fifty gallon barrels of fish from Bill's truck
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: into Charlie's Porsche convertible. But it turns out the woman,
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: this other woman is Charlie's sister, So Daisy is like oops,
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: and Charlie's like, you know what, no big deal, I've
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: got so many Porsche's. Like he's like kind of like, oh,
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: that's funny, and You're like, well, it's he's not wrong,
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: but it's basically a flirt of that. He's just like, oh,
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: she flirted with me. She dumped fish in my Porsche.
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: I guess she really likes me. I really want to
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: dump fish in someone's car now. It was that was
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: a very cathartic thing to watch, right. So then Bill
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: breaks up with Jojo. You know, she's not sure what
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: she wants exactly. Daisy and Cat get in a fight
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: because Cat has been spending all this time with Tim,
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: and Daisy is kind of sick of everyone acting like
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: Cat is this perfect little angel, but she's also looking
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: out for her sister. And then Kat and Tim kiss
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: and it's implied that they have sex, right. I yeah,
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: it cuts away, but I think, yeah, yeah, like in
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: a haunted mansion. Right. I was like, where is this there?
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: I hate him so much. He's the worst. He really
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: is the worst kind of person. And my only if
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: I if there's I mean, there's one thing I would
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: change about this movie is she should have you know,
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: I know it was a pride thing, but she should
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: have taken that man's money. I swear to God that guy.
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: So Kat and Tim have sex and then later that
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: night they discover that Tim's wife has come home from England,
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: and Kat is heartbroken. She feels really foolish. Daisy comforts her,
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: and then that pretentious food critic comes into Mystic Pizza
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: and they're all worried about what he's going to think,
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: because maybe seems like he didn't like he looks like
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: such a cartoon character. He's wearing like a bucket hat.
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: It's sort of not like visually, but just the whole
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: vibe of it. I'm like, oh, it's like Rat a Tweek, Yes,
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: except he looks like Sherlock Holmes. For some reason, you
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: reminded me of this. I wonder if this was a
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: reference or if this existed back then. But there used
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: to be this like public access show in New England
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: called Phantom Gourmet and it was like a big deal
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: if Phantom Gourmet came to your like local restaurant and
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: they would like broadcast it on the PBS affiliate, and
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: like if you had the Phantom Gourmet sticker, it was
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: like a big deal. This sounds like it's so similar, yeah, right,
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: And like I wonder if they were if if they
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: were hipped to Phantom Gourmet, because I don't know. I
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: don't know if it was like one person though mystery.
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: I find it interesting that he is like a t
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: V food critic, because usually food critics, like, they like,
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: don't want their faces to be known, so the restaurants
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: like don't know when they go in, right, But he's
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: like just on TV. Yeah, the phantom gourmet wasn't a
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: purse so that was the whole point is you didn't
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: know who like it says the phantom pays his own
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: way and dines under a disguise. You like, it's like
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: banks He's the Banksy of New England feed critics. Yes, yes, yes, yes, amazing. Okay.
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: So then Daisy has dinner with Charlie's rich family who
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: you know, they're they're snooty and young Matt Damon is
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: there and they say some disparaging things about people from
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: a lower class, about Portuguese people. Charlie yells at them,
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: but Daisy is like, oh, you're clearly just dating me,
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: you know, a poor towny to get back at your family,
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: and she storms off and so every things I'm mess.
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: But then the restaurant critic, who I forget, like what
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: name he goes by in the movie. It almost like
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: as soon as you said Phantom Gourmet, I'm like, it
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: wasn't that, but it was like basically the same thing.
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: But he gives his review on television, his face exposed
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: to the whole world, and he's like, this pizza from
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: Mystic Pizza. It's the best pizza I've ever had. So
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: everyone's all excited. The business is going to do great.
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: Joe Joe finally marries Bill. We see the wedding reception,
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: Charlie comes to apologize to Daisy, they make up, and
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: then the movie ends with the three women being like, hmm,
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: I wonder what Leanna puts in her pizza. And that's
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: the end. And then they look up at the stop
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: the stars, and then a corny song plays and you're like, friendship, sisterhood.
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: This movie has so much saxophone in it, very saxophone
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: heavy film. I don't know what that song is at
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: the end, but it was making me laugh. It was
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: like friends always gone friends and sure, Sure, and then
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: in the credits you see like sponsored by big Saxophone.
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: All right, let's take a quick break and then we'll
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: come back to discuss and we're back. So the first
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: thing I wanted to talk about was um the fact
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: I mean I tried to do some research to find
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: out if there were any actors of Portuguese descent in
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: this movie at all. It was a challenge. I couldn't.
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: I couldn't find out everyone. Definitely not Julia Roberts or
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: Annabeth Gish that I could tell. I don't did anyone
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: have any Lucky because for a movie that you know,
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: is talking about, you know, people of Portuguese descent quite
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: a bit, it seems like there was really no representation
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: whatsoever in an actual way. Um. Yeah, I'd imagine that
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: maybe some of the like very tertiary characters who you
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: like see speaking or singing in Portuguese. But I feel
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: like as as far as the main cast, yeah, it
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: didn't seem to be the case, right, which I mean,
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: obviously it sucks. And also the there is like a
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: large Portuguese American community in Connecticut and in areas of
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: New England, mostly Rhode Island, but like there there is
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: a huge Portuguese American culture in New England, and so
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: I thought it was cool that it was spotlighted. But
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: then it's like, but it's like, you know, an empty
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: gesture to to an extent when there's no actual representation
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: of it, and also like spotlighted with inaccuracies. I like
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: saw Annabeth Gish was like did a video where she
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: was like setting the record straight with a Portuguese guy
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: and he was just like here's yeah. He was like,
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: here's a few things that he was from Portugal. He
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: was like, these things from the movie are not accurate,
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: Like Portugal is not into pizza at all, Like that's
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: just not a thing. And like their last name, their
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: last name, they pronounced it like a rougeo and they
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: make like a big deal out of that in the movie,
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: like the pronunciation of their name, but it's actually like
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: not He's like, that's just not a name in Portuguese.
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: And he's like it's a rougeo is a name, but
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: that's like a different word. But so I don't know,
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: it just seems like there could have been a little
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: more like R and D the the background stuff, especially
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: because it was like filmed in an area where there
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: was a Portuguese America, like it could it couldn't have
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: been an easier task, right, So that was that was frustrating.
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: I thank you for Well, we'll find in that video
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: and link it and the description because I'm like, wow,
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: they really they made Annabeth based the music. It literally
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: seems like Annabeth Gish was on a movie set with
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: a Portuguese guy and she talked to him enough to
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: learn some stuff from him, and she was like, let's
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: make this quick video. And it's like a two minute
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: video of him just like listing these things and she's like, okay, cool, nice,
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: So yeah, okay, that's that's good to know. Yeah, if
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: we have any Portuguese American listeners or just Portuguese listeners, um,
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: let us know your thoughts on. One of my best
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: friends is have Portuguese and I actually have been to
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: Portugal with her, but I mean, I think she loves
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: this movie. So it seems like because I was looking
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: for there, there wasn't much written about it, even though
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: it was I don't know. I was looking to see
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: if anyone that ever, you know, like written about how
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: Portuguese culture is represented here, but everyone's just like I
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: love the movie. Yeah. Yeah. My friend Nicki, both of
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: her parents are Portuguese American who live in New England,
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: and I asked Nikki about how her family feels about
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: this movie and she was like, my mom loves Mystic Pizza,
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: so loves it. Everyone loves it. I don't know, I
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: mean in general, I just was like, this is a
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: very nineteen eighties movie thing to do absolutely to like
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: make a huge I mean a huge deal of like
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: look at these Portuguese American characters but then not cast
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: anyone of Portuguese descent and get apparently every fact wrong. Yes,
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: But but that said, I thought that, um, like one
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: of the things I really liked about this movie was
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: it's like willingness to explore class issues in uh really
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: like direct way, because we talked about this with like
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: rom Com or even just like coming of age movies
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: in general all the time, where it's like so often
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: it's just like rich people, Like it's just like there's
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: gonna be a mansion party. No one's her worrying about,
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: Like we talked about in that To All the Boys
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: I Love before episode of how like there's a whole
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: movie in that series about getting ready for college and
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: no one is worried about how they're going to pay
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: for it. And I really appreciated and was pleasantly surprised by,
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: like how willing to engage with class issues this movie was. Yeah,
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: it comes up in in a couple of different kind
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: of scenarios to one where you know, Cat is saving
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: up money. She's working what appears to be three or
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: four different jobs to save up to go to Yale,
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: and she has like a half scholarship, and she you know,
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: still needs to earn all of this money to be
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: able to pay for tuition, and you know how that's
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: kind of like a constant struggle for her. And then
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: with Daisy dating Charlie, this you know, rich yuppie kid
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: who has just so many different cars at his disposal,
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: all of them you know, like luxury vehicles. He lives
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: in this ancient all this stuff, and how it like,
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: you know, creates this rift in their relationship, especially when
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: she realizes that he, you know, he's kind of dating
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: her as an act of rebellion against his family. And yeah,
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: so I thought that was all pretty interesting. I really
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: liked it. Yeah, I mean especially I I really really
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: really love Cat, so I just like, I don't know,
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: I love her so much, Like I had a very
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: similar situation to her when I was her age, and
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: I was like, you you can do it. You're gonna
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: be in asterronomer and do all this stuff. But with
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: the with the Charlie Daisy relationship, I've never seen something
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: like that, but that is like a thing that happens
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: in cities or communities with like large wealth gaps of
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: like you know, if there are young couples that it's
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: like you have to go to their house and be
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: like I'm going to act like I'm not poor and
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: see if that works. And like another just like, oh,
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: like this is amazing for where it is like pretty
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: clear that Charlie to an extent is like bringing her
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: over to get a rise out of his dad, and
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: she calls him out on it right away and she's
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: just like, no, you humiliated me to like because of
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: your because of your daddy issues, like leave me out
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: of it. Like I just yeah, I thought that that
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: was like incredibly cool and I've never seen a situation
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: like that actually like play out on screen and have
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: like the person from the lower class like get the
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: final word in in a way that was really satisfying
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: and cool. And yeah, I just loved it. I love
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: that she says when they're like fighting in the driveway,
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: and I love that she's just like, you're not even
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: good enough for me, like because it was kind of
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: it was kind of like inherently like oh, he's the
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: rich one, he has the car, like whatever. And then
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: she like gets a ride home with her friend who's
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: the maid at their house, and she's just like, give
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: me a ride, Like I love I love how she
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: actually all these women, like I guess Cat maybe less
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: in a less like dramatic way, but like have really
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: powerful moments where they're like screaming at men and like
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: it's very sad, Like I love like when um Bill
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: puts a nympho on his boat and he's kind of
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: like embarrassing her in front of the entire town, Like
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: I love that Jojo just straight up like screams at him,
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: and she's just like you can't force me to do
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: anything I'm not ready to do, and like this is
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: so not okay. And like she says like everything that
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: I would imagine you would be afraid or like you
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: would think of later you'd be like, oh I should
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: have said that, but like she says all of it
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: and it's so awesome, and like her friends are right
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: there with her and like yeah, oh my god. Yeah,
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: She's like I don't have to marry an asshole. It's
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: the eighties. Oh my god, Like it's that whole like
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: performance was so good and like too, and I love
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: that she gets like a standing ovation from the tourists, right,
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: so bizarre, but it I really liked it. Also just
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: feels like such a new England thing for all these
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: like all these people to be like projecting at each
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: other at like the speed of light, where like Daisy
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: projects onto Cat, Cat projects onto Daisy, every like the
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: mom projects onto everybody. Uh like just everyone is like
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: very loudly not dealing with their problems, which I was like, wow, totally,
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: that's wow, that's so real. I love that Jojo. One
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: of her main traits is that she just fully carries
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: on conversations fully by herself and everyone else around her,
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: just like silently, Like she'll just be like, thank you
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: guys so much for everything you've said, but she's the
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: only one talking conversation and just like goes on a
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: full tangent. Those scenes are so funny, Yeah, the one
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: especially where she's, uh, she has just been broken up
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: with by Bill, but she comes in acting like she
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: was the one who broke up with him, and then
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: she just goes on this long soliloquy and the whole
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: time she's just like, Wow, I'm so glad my friends
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: are here supporting me and agreeing with me and validating me,
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: and meanwhile they've said not a word. She also like looky,
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: like it's like and Leona, you're going to give you
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: the business one day, right, And Lena is like, um, sure,
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: They're all being held hostage by her feelings. I love
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: that like that happens it Like it's the funniest and
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: like I think, like the best when it happens with Jojo.
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: But I like that that happens at like multiple different
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: points in this movie where everyone's got like their own
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: ship going on, but then when someone else's like problem
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: comes into the like they put their own ship aside
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: and they show up for each other like every single time.
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: Like I I liked that moment where Cat is like devastated.
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: She feels so like used by Tim and she's like
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: sucking up at work and leaving like raw pizzas on
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: tables and stuff. But then when she realizes like the
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: Phantom Gourmet is there, she like snaps into it. She's like, Okay,
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: I'll deal with my ship later, like right, now this
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: is Leone's moment and like just those quick I don't know,
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: you're just like, oh, these women know each other so
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: well and they care about each other so much that
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: they can just like be so like raw nerves with
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: each other, but then also always know like when they
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: need to show up for each other. I love it. Yeah,
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: Like Daisy does that too with Cats, Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: when she's like, you know, Cat comes home, she's been
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: wearing Daisy's boots, and Daisies like, quit wearing my nice
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: boots and quit using my comb your scuzzy hairs in it.
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: And then Daisy realizes that Cat is devastated and then
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: shuts off any like anger and resentment that she was
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: feeling towards Cat, and it's just like I'm here for you,
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: like cry on my shoulder, whatever you need to do. Yeah,
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: it was. It was a really nice moment. I love,
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: like for me. The thing about this movie is it's
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: a story about like female friendship, but also you know,
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: each of these three women has a major storyline that
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: revolves around a man, which just feels very typical and
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: expected of this type of movie. I wish it maybe
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: had been more about the friendship, or that we had
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: seen more scenes of the three women together. I wish
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: there were just more movies that were actually about female
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: friendship and don't get bogged down in these like subplots
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: about men. We had that same issue with um was
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: It Fried Green tomat Us? There was like another there
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: was another movie from this like era where it like
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: markets itself as being all about female friendship, but then
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: it actually is about relationships. Yeah. A big one for
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: me was waiting to exhale oh yes, yes, yes, yeah,
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: where it's like, oh wow, all these amazing women are
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: going to be talking to each other the whole movie,
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: and then you're like, oh wait, actually there's like three
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: scenes of that. Yeah, it's about husbands, right, and most
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: of the scenes are them helping each other deal with
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: like men's bullshit, right right, which is pretty true of
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: this movie as well. That was like I don't know,
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: like I didn't hate that they had love interest, Like, okay,
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: that's the convention of the genre, but it did like
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: at some point, especially because I absolutely hated Charlie so much,
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: and I know that like his storyline was like helped
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: you explore these class issues, but I just couldn't stand them.
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: There's too much of him. He's such a little weener,
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: he really is. I wish there were just more movie yeh.
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: Bottom line, I wish there were more movies that not
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: only appear to be about female friendship but are kind
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: of more exclusively about that. That being said, though, I'd
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: still I think it would have been a much easier
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: and more kind of predictable choice for you to get
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: three very kind of basic, like standard rom comie type
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: storylines that don't explore anything meaningful, but with at least
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: with the three romantic subplots we get, you know, like
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: we said, one of them deals pretty heavily with class.
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: One of them deals with a woman debating about whether
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: or not commitment and like marriage is something she wants,
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: which like that was I think I love Jojo so
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: much because I related so hard to her being like
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: I'm afraid of commitment. I think I can do it
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: in the future, but I don't want it right now.
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: And you are rushing me and it feels like your bill,
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: You're forcing me into something I'm not ready for. And
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: I like this character too that like you get a
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: totally like does an unusual depiction of like male sexuality too. Yeah, right,
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: And I also really liked that after she passes out
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: and like ditches their wedding. Like I mean, not to
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: give him too much credit, but just the fact that
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: like his characters like and I know that they still
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: fight and stuff, but just the fact that they can
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: even reconcile is like more impressive communication than most characters
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: in TV or film ever are able to accomplish. Like
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: if that was on Friends, it would just be like
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: and then I never saw her again and he would
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: disappear from her wedding. Yeah, Like I like that he
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: still shows up and he deals with being humiliated in
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: the town and like, yeah, and you know, he has
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: perhaps some toxic habits where he was like about to
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: punch a guy who was like mocking him and for
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: instance putting nympho on the side of his that was
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: maybe he wasn't ideal, but at the same time, yeah,
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: I think there was like a display of masculinity with
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: his character that I think we don't often see, especially
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: for so many movies are guilty of this thing I hate,
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: where they depict like working class people, specifically working class men,
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: just in a very particular way of just like steeped
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: in toxic masculinity because they are working class, where we
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: know that, you know, people of any men of any
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: class can be steeped in toxic masculinity. But I feel
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: like it's rare to see a working class man be
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: a little gentler or be someone who like is a
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: little bit more in touch with his feelings and who
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: like really strongly cares about commitment and things like that. Yeah,
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: I mean, I feel like it inverts the like church
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: girl trope that we see used pretty frequently in like
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: but it's not I don't know, like it it is.
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: Even that is like reductive in the way it's usually presented,
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: but with him, it's like, oh no, he like takes
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: his religion very seriously and you can feel however you
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: want to feel about that, but it's like it's important
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: to him, and I don't know, like watching them navigate
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: that relationship was interesting, Like it was I wasn't, Like
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: I don't know I was, I wasn't. It's rare to
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: find a relationship in the eighties that I'm not actively
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: rooting against. Like, I still feel like, you know, he
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: should have led her way a little longer, you know,
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: like I would because in that amazing like monologue that
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: she gives, she's just like saying, I don't know, like
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: it it's such a complex thing that is also very
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: normal of like I do want to get married, and
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: I do care about this person, but I have other
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: things I wanted to do first, and like I don't
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: know if we're going to be able to compromise to
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: a point where we can both be happy, and like
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: it was like interesting as I was watching, because I'm like, oh,
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: that's that's a problem that I have known many people
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: to have, but you never really see it presented that
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: way as just like a fact of life that could
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: be really like frustrating and like tortuous for you personally.
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: Because it's not like he's an evil bad guy, like
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: he's kind of an assphot but he lives in Connecticut,
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: so that's kind of wow. Shots fire Massachusetts head Well.
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: It's also interesting that they all kind of have different trajectories.
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: Like with Cat, it's like a foregone conclusion that she
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: is leaving Mystic and that she's bound for like it's
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: really presented it's like she's bound for better things, like
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: her mom is just like everyone, my daughter is going
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: to Yale like she's she's leaving and like and they
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: talk about that, they talk about mystic like this, like
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: you know, bump fuck town that like everyone needs to
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: get out of. But like you do get the sense
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: that like She's might not be okay with it, but
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: Jojo is like kind of gonna stay there because she's
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: like she's really young and she's like met her you know, person,
• 45:07
  Speaker 1: and doesn't know how to feel about that, and like
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: maybe doesn't have the way out that like Cat has. Right. Yeah,
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I definitely coming from like a really
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: small town, I mean I could see how scary it
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: would be to like look down the barrel of that
• 45:24
  Speaker 1: life and just be like, wow, Um, how am I
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: supposed to be excited about this? Sure? I do wonder.
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: I mean, of of all the characters, I want to
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: know where Jojo would be ten years later. I wonder,
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: like I wonder if that's the sort of like maybe
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: they move, Maybe she does end up inheriting the pizza place,
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: who knows what happens. Yeah, she's she's like such a
• 45:50
  Speaker 1: it would have been so easy to funk up that character. Um,
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: but she does kind of have this rich into your life.
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: I just wish we knew a little more. I wish
• 45:59
  Speaker 1: I do, wish we you a little more about her
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: outside of like she is a friend and she is
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: going to be a wife question mark. But what you
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: do get there is pretty complex. Yeah. For me, I
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: found myself a little disappointed at the end when it's
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: revealed that she and Bill do get married so soon
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: after she had been like, yeah, I want to wait
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: a while, you know, and the same way. And it's
• 46:25
  Speaker 1: like the movie clearly wants you to not feel that way, right,
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: you're supposed to be like because at the very least,
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: I like this little, you know, speech that she gives
• 46:35
  Speaker 1: when she's like in the cap of the truck with Bill,
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: and she's like, Okay, I got to maintain my identity.
• 46:43
  Speaker 1: I understand about commitment, and I love you, but you
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: have to know where I stand about this. You know,
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: I want to be my own person. Absolutely nothing has
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: changed even though we've gotten married dot dot dot except
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: my name. So I'm glad that she, you know, is
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: making her needs own about wanting to maintain her identity
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: and you know, not getting lost and being a his
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: wife kind of thing. But it just was very soon
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: after Its great, Yeah, and and I just I wish
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: that it. I don't know if it was just because like, well,
• 47:17
  Speaker 1: a movie starring women has to end in a wedding.
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: I don't think Hollywood can resist ever, Like it's just
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: it's it's just like too good. They just can't say no,
• 47:27
  Speaker 1: mostly like I have to. I do appreciate that they
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: reused the dresses. I'm like, Okay, that is a working
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: class wedding, thank you, because if they had had all
• 47:36
  Speaker 1: new dresses, I'm like they dropped the ball. But I
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: hated to see those dresses again. Actually, one of the
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: things I love about this movie, just speaking of the dresses,
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: is just like I love that this movie is so
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: not like disnified at all. It's just like everyone looks
• 47:53
  Speaker 1: kind of like not too much makeup, and like like
• 47:56
  Speaker 1: obviously Julia's hair looks amazing, and I'm sure that's where
• 47:59
  Speaker 1: like ninety percent of the hair budget went. But I
• 48:02
  Speaker 1: just I love that this movie is not like super glossy.
• 48:06
  Speaker 1: I just I really appreciate that it looks kind of
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: like a little raggedy, like the real It looks kind
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: of real, and I love that about it. Right, it
• 48:14
  Speaker 1: would feel really inauthentic if it hadn't been that way,
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: you know, because if it's you know, it's this story
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: about these working class women, but if they're like all
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: dolled up in expensive designer clothes and their hair and
• 48:26
  Speaker 1: makeup looks like it was done by a personal stylist,
• 48:29
  Speaker 1: Like that's usually not how that works, right, But they
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: still look good and like trendy too, because I also
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: like don't like when it goes too far the other way,
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: and the implication is like working class people look like
• 48:42
  Speaker 1: shit and you're like, like, that's not the casey, But
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: I yeah, like the details that they added in with
• 48:50
  Speaker 1: the wardrobe, like we're like Julia Roberts. I mean, first
• 48:52
  Speaker 1: of all, like people wear the same outfit more than
• 48:55
  Speaker 1: once in this movie, which is like makes sense, that's
• 48:57
  Speaker 1: how clothes work, but you never see that in movies.
• 49:01
  Speaker 1: And and the like little detail that she like got
• 49:04
  Speaker 1: this expensive dress but she's like, but I'm not taking
• 49:07
  Speaker 1: the tags off and I'm going to return it. You're like, yeah, that,
• 49:10
  Speaker 1: like that's another really good detail. And ah yeah, this
• 49:14
  Speaker 1: is a really well written movie. I one thing I
• 49:17
  Speaker 1: wanted to I I was hoping that there would be
• 49:20
  Speaker 1: like an oral history piece about this movie. I couldn't
• 49:22
  Speaker 1: find one, but I did think it was interesting. I
• 49:26
  Speaker 1: couldn't find the reason why. But this movie, the story
• 49:30
  Speaker 1: is by Amy Holden Jones, who has done a bunch
• 49:36
  Speaker 1: of work. Uh she's She's also done the Beethoven movie
• 49:41
  Speaker 1: with the Dog that's the most should cover it, excellent film.
• 49:47
  Speaker 1: She also this in back to back. She did Beethoven
• 49:51
  Speaker 1: and Indecent Proposals, so she's got range. She's killing it.
• 49:57
  Speaker 1: But she, you know, came up with the story true
• 50:00
  Speaker 1: um going to Mystic Connecticut and just I don't know.
• 50:04
  Speaker 1: I think she was just like cruising through and was like, hey,
• 50:06
  Speaker 1: what if I wrote a movie, which probably explains how
• 50:09
  Speaker 1: it wasn't totally research very well. But she was. She
• 50:14
  Speaker 1: was supposed to be, uh the director of the movie,
• 50:16
  Speaker 1: but then at the last second she was not the
• 50:19
  Speaker 1: director of the movie, which is frustrating because she had
• 50:23
  Speaker 1: I mean, she had had three directing credits prior to this,
• 50:26
  Speaker 1: three future credits and then instead it was given to
• 50:30
  Speaker 1: a director named Donald Petrie and it was his debut,
• 50:35
  Speaker 1: So it was like this movie was almost directed by
• 50:38
  Speaker 1: an experienced director and then was instead given to a
• 50:41
  Speaker 1: guy who had never directed a movie before, which is
• 50:43
  Speaker 1: just like, okay, so Jamie, did you say you didn't
• 50:47
  Speaker 1: find the reason why? Because I did find the reason why.
• 50:50
  Speaker 1: Oh I didn't know. No, what's the reason? Okay, because
• 50:53
  Speaker 1: I was scandalized. Okay, So Amy Jones, yeah, seems amazing. Um.
• 50:58
  Speaker 1: She out the script, shopped it around Hollywood and like
• 51:02
  Speaker 1: no one wanted it, and then eventually it was optioned
• 51:06
  Speaker 1: by Samuel Goldwyn and so he he like optioned it
• 51:12
  Speaker 1: with her attached to direct it. But then because like
• 51:16
  Speaker 1: women were really not allowed to direct at that time
• 51:20
  Speaker 1: or like it was very uncommon. Like he was just like,
• 51:23
  Speaker 1: I'm not comfortable working with the woman director. And she
• 51:26
  Speaker 1: was like, I mean I might be getting details wrong,
• 51:28
  Speaker 1: but the gist of it is like she was like, okay, well,
• 51:30
  Speaker 1: I want the rights back. She loved that movie and
• 51:33
  Speaker 1: still calls it like her favorite thing she's done and
• 51:38
  Speaker 1: so and so, um she wanted it back and he
• 51:43
  Speaker 1: and this fucker was like, um, I actually have the
• 51:46
  Speaker 1: rights until for the rest of your life, like I
• 51:49
  Speaker 1: owned the rights like until you die. And so it
• 51:53
  Speaker 1: went into court. So Amy Jones had to fight with
• 51:56
  Speaker 1: like I think with the Writer's Guild and there was
• 51:58
  Speaker 1: like a legal battle, but because he was saying that
• 52:01
  Speaker 1: he had life rights and that she had said something
• 52:03
  Speaker 1: verbally or something that had like given him the impression
• 52:06
  Speaker 1: that he just had the rights to Mystic Pizza for
• 52:09
  Speaker 1: the rest of her life, and then he wanted to
• 52:12
  Speaker 1: like or like oh no. This was when they were
• 52:14
  Speaker 1: shopping around Hollywood. People were like, we'll make it if
• 52:16
  Speaker 1: you change them all to men, like if you make
• 52:18
  Speaker 1: all these characters, men will make it, and okay, and
• 52:23
  Speaker 1: so then so she was I saw some quote where
• 52:26
  Speaker 1: she was like, well, I learned like never to get
• 52:28
  Speaker 1: in illegal battle with a multimillionaire because you'll just lose
• 52:31
  Speaker 1: no matter even if you win, you lose because they
• 52:34
  Speaker 1: drained you join your finances. So I think she won.
• 52:38
  Speaker 1: So that it was decided that like, okay, you're like
• 52:42
  Speaker 1: license to make this movie expires at this time or whatever.
• 52:45
  Speaker 1: And so as the time was approaching, she said, like
• 52:48
  Speaker 1: Samuel Goldwyn was like freaking out and trying. He's like
• 52:52
  Speaker 1: she said, he hired like every writer in the world
• 52:55
  Speaker 1: to try to like fix this movie, fix it, okay,
• 52:59
  Speaker 1: because they yeah, they are four credited writers on this movie. Yeah,
• 53:03
  Speaker 1: So I think he had a lot of people working
• 53:04
  Speaker 1: on it, and then he finally hired these two writers
• 53:06
  Speaker 1: who had worked with Amy Jones. And when they got
• 53:10
  Speaker 1: on the script, how they revised it was getting rid
• 53:14
  Speaker 1: of everything that had been changed and brought it back
• 53:16
  Speaker 1: to Amy Jones's original script. So what we ended up
• 53:20
  Speaker 1: with in Mystic Pizza is actually Amy Jones is like
• 53:23
  Speaker 1: original script, which I think is why it's good. And
• 53:26
  Speaker 1: I'm sorry, Daniel Pietri or whatever your name is, Like,
• 53:28
  Speaker 1: I don't think that it's you that made this movie great.
• 53:32
  Speaker 1: I think it's Amy Jones. And like she said that
• 53:35
  Speaker 1: it was a well known story in Hollywood and that
• 53:37
  Speaker 1: she got many many writing jobs from Mystic Pizza and
• 53:40
  Speaker 1: that like everyone knew kind of like what happened, and
• 53:42
  Speaker 1: like that it was really her film. Holy thank you
• 53:46
  Speaker 1: so much for I I did not find that even remotely.
• 53:49
  Speaker 1: And it's like that sounds like absolute torture and it
• 53:53
  Speaker 1: is also like not surprising at all. I's like we
• 53:55
  Speaker 1: have at this point. I mean, we've covered so many
• 53:58
  Speaker 1: stories where that's the case. That was like, that was
• 54:00
  Speaker 1: like the story of the production of Brave, that was
• 54:04
  Speaker 1: the story. It's just like where a woman was kicked
• 54:07
  Speaker 1: off and yeah, and then it was given to a
• 54:10
  Speaker 1: man in the leventh hour and there was a legal
• 54:12
  Speaker 1: battle and just all this garbage that and and then
• 54:15
  Speaker 1: bringing back most of the original plot points that had
• 54:19
  Speaker 1: originally been there. Like god, well, shout out to Amy Jones. Serious,
• 54:24
  Speaker 1: holy shit, I'm glad that we that we know to
• 54:27
  Speaker 1: come on the show, Amy Jones. She I just followed
• 54:31
  Speaker 1: her on Twitter. She's out there. Let's take a quick
• 54:36
  Speaker 1: break and then we'll come back for more discussion. And
• 54:45
  Speaker 1: we're back. Let's talk about Kat a little bit. We
• 54:48
  Speaker 1: haven't talked about her too much. I love her so much.
• 54:53
  Speaker 1: I so her story, her like romantic storyline is the
• 55:00
  Speaker 1: worst one and yet very relatable. Yes, I was like,
• 55:04
  Speaker 1: but I feel like at least it's aware of that
• 55:06
  Speaker 1: where I I know that there are so many like
• 55:09
  Speaker 1: predatory storylines that are like that end up being like
• 55:14
  Speaker 1: and it was love the whole time, and I guess
• 55:16
  Speaker 1: things just didn't work out for them. But this, unfortunately,
• 55:20
  Speaker 1: these types of abuses of power do happen. Like Cat
• 55:24
  Speaker 1: is like, she's a kid, she's very I don't know
• 55:27
  Speaker 1: how if she's a legal adult. Uncle. I wish we
• 55:31
  Speaker 1: had known that, because you know, she's about to go
• 55:34
  Speaker 1: to college, which would imply that she recently graduated from
• 55:37
  Speaker 1: high school. So she's like eighteen. But also we see
• 55:41
  Speaker 1: her at a bar, so is she twenty one? Like
• 55:44
  Speaker 1: did she wait a few years before applying? Might just
• 55:46
  Speaker 1: be a towny bar thing. Yeah, so I don't we
• 55:49
  Speaker 1: don't know how old she is. I mean it's regard.
• 55:53
  Speaker 1: I mean, it's an abuse of power no matter if
• 55:56
  Speaker 1: it's Yeah, she she's a teenager and it's her boss
• 56:00
  Speaker 1: who's praying on her. I just it's so it makes
• 56:03
  Speaker 1: me so mad because like that ship does happen, And
• 56:08
  Speaker 1: I at least thought it was like well written that,
• 56:10
  Speaker 1: Like cat, I don't know, like I was in situations
• 56:14
  Speaker 1: like that as a teenager where she's like inexperienced, she's shy,
• 56:19
  Speaker 1: she's a people pleaser, and she doesn't, you know, necessarily
• 56:22
  Speaker 1: know how to really assert herself in those situations. And
• 56:26
  Speaker 1: she is you know, attracted to him, but it doesn't
• 56:28
  Speaker 1: make it less of an abuse of power for him
• 56:30
  Speaker 1: to take advantage of that. And likely that all felt
• 56:34
  Speaker 1: pretty well. I was. I kept like gritting my teeth
• 56:38
  Speaker 1: to be like, please don't end up telling me this
• 56:40
  Speaker 1: is okay to happen and but I thought it was
• 56:44
  Speaker 1: like a pretty well written storyline, all the way down
• 56:48
  Speaker 1: to his being a fucking coward and trying to pay
• 56:52
  Speaker 1: her off, Like it just all felt like very like,
• 56:55
  Speaker 1: unfortunately realistic. The other thing I thought was effect of
• 57:00
  Speaker 1: is that and this is something we talked about quite
• 57:03
  Speaker 1: a bit where there tends to be villains or like
• 57:08
  Speaker 1: predator characters in movies that are so cartoonishly evil that
• 57:14
  Speaker 1: no one could see themselves reflected back in that person.
• 57:17
  Speaker 1: But because he's like, on the surface, seems like a
• 57:21
  Speaker 1: nice guy, he's a good father, you know, you're you
• 57:25
  Speaker 1: kind of get lured into this idea that, oh, he's
• 57:27
  Speaker 1: going to be he's nice, he's fine, and then when
• 57:30
  Speaker 1: he abuses his power and hurts her and doesn't hold
• 57:36
  Speaker 1: himself accountable for anything he's done, and then we realize
• 57:40
  Speaker 1: just what a dogshit person he is. I thought that
• 57:44
  Speaker 1: was well handled in terms of, like, under other circumstances,
• 57:48
  Speaker 1: he probably seems like a nice guy, but in such
• 57:51
  Speaker 1: a way that like people could actually look at him
• 57:53
  Speaker 1: and be like, oh, no, I've done that before, Like
• 57:56
  Speaker 1: that's this person is familiar to me kind of thing.
• 58:01
  Speaker 1: So yeah, I found cat like, even though you know,
• 58:04
  Speaker 1: I love I think Jojo is my favorite character because
• 58:07
  Speaker 1: I'm just like charmed by her. But Cat is the
• 58:10
  Speaker 1: character that I definitely definitely relate to the most, and
• 58:13
  Speaker 1: I think for me watching it when I was her age,
• 58:17
  Speaker 1: it was just like very relatable and like kind of
• 58:20
  Speaker 1: cathartic to like see someone who was like war like
• 58:25
  Speaker 1: thick sweaters and like and had no sense of her
• 58:30
  Speaker 1: I mean, I think she's she's obviously like growing up
• 58:33
  Speaker 1: in the course of the movie, but she her sister
• 58:37
  Speaker 1: Daisy is like this like incredibly like vivacious, like sexual being,
• 58:42
  Speaker 1: and Cat is I just remember being that age and
• 58:45
  Speaker 1: it just felt like very very difficult calculus for me
• 58:50
  Speaker 1: to even imagine like kissing someone or something. So I
• 58:55
  Speaker 1: feel like her her being drawn to this older guy
• 58:59
  Speaker 1: who's showing her attention, Like I just feel like I
• 59:04
  Speaker 1: could totally imagine how that would to someone who was
• 59:08
  Speaker 1: like so inexperienced and like looking to kind of prove
• 59:14
  Speaker 1: yourself or like, you know, everyone in the movie is
• 59:15
  Speaker 1: always saying like, oh, Cat has no time for boys,
• 59:18
  Speaker 1: like she's going off to Yale, and like it's kind
• 59:21
  Speaker 1: of like when everyone points one thing out about you
• 59:24
  Speaker 1: you want them to see the other side too, Like
• 59:27
  Speaker 1: Kat doesn't need to be told that she's smart. Everyone
• 59:30
  Speaker 1: tells her that she needs to be told she's beautiful
• 59:32
  Speaker 1: or like she's sexy or whatever. So this guy comes
• 59:34
  Speaker 1: along and he like you know, looks at her with
• 59:37
  Speaker 1: his like yale red hair, like he's like weirdly buff
• 59:44
  Speaker 1: architect man. Like I just think that she's he's he's
• 59:48
  Speaker 1: getting her exactly where she's vulnerable and and he's so
• 59:52
  Speaker 1: he's so there's no excuse for his behavior in this movie,
• 59:56
  Speaker 1: like I was imagining, like Jamie you kind of pointed
• 59:58
  Speaker 1: out earlier, like the weird cuts where we don't see,
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 1: like we don't see that they sleep together. It's just
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 1: kind of assumed, and we don't see them setting up
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 1: their date when they do sleep together. It just they
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 1: just show up there. And I was imagining when I
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 1: was watching it, like imagining, so at one point, like
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 1: Cat and this like thirty year old guy like playing
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 1: their date and like arrange for Cat's friend to babysit
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 1: his daughter. And that's just so explicit. So it's not
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 1: like it came over him in the moment. It's explicit,
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 1: and he knew, like calculated yeah, pre meditated this. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 1: I hate it so much, But I also I totally
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 1: agree with what you're saying, how about how he does
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 1: like target her vulnerability and that I don't know, like
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 1: it kind of expands into how Cat and Daisy relate
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 1: to each other, where it seems like they you know it.
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 1: One storyline I wish was explored more in this movie
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 1: was their relationship with their mom, because it's so like
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 1: in like flashes and like, can we cut out some
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 1: of the like love interest stuff and like focus on
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 1: this mom relationship a little more because she really only
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 1: has one scene with each daughter, and I would have
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 1: liked to see all three of them together. But it
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 1: does seem like, you know, it's it's like Cat feels
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 1: this pressure to succeed or she'll disappoint her mother, or
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 1: she'll never move out of Mystic, which she clearly wants
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 1: to do, and like, you know what her dream is.
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 1: I like that you see her at all these different
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 1: jobs and it's not just like a joke that she's like,
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 1: oh she works a lot. It's like you see it
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 1: and you see her like struggle with it, and and
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 1: of course like it's it's you know It's like when
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 1: that is your life, you know, it's in all your
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 1: valued for is your mind. It's like you want, I
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 1: don't know, like a more whole experience in in in
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 1: many cases, right, And I get like I get why
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 1: Cat bugs Daisy for being so prized for her mind,
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 1: which she doesn't even totally want. It's just how people
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 1: view her. And and I get how Kat is. I
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 1: don't know. It just reminded me so much of like
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 1: my older cousin and where I was just like she's
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 1: so cool and like everyone loves her, and I I
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 1: can't talk to people, like it's so frustrating, and you
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 1: like hold it against someone you love in this way
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 1: that is like kind of like kind of immature. And
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 1: also just like I'm repressing my feelings and I'm just
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 1: like frustrated that I can't present that way to the
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 1: world because it looks so appealing and it's like it
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 1: just feels so sister Lee, It's just good. Yeah. And
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 1: I love also how Jojo is friends, like because I
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 1: have I have like brothers that are really close in age,
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 1: so we like share friends, but these two like really
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 1: share friends, Like like Jojo is equally friends with Daisy
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 1: and Cat and will like and by them even when
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 1: they're fighting, and like I just I like, I liked
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 1: when when that happens, and like, yeah, it showed that
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 1: they're like this kind of functional trifecta. Yeah, and then
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 1: like we were saying, how they do show up for
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 1: each other, they provide support to each other when needed,
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 1: like to go back to this predatory relationship that Cat
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 1: has with Tim, Like there was a little bit that
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 1: again felt realistic, although I think it would have been
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 1: like Daisy probably would have handled this differently were this
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 1: to be happening in like, but she it's clear that
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 1: she's like looking out for her sister, but it's also
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 1: kind of happening under this guy's of like judging her
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 1: almost like oh, you know how typical that the babysitter
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 1: is like having sex with the dad kind of thing
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 1: and like almost passing like judgment and shame upon her.
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 1: But when it comes down to it, Daisy is like,
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 1: whatever you need, I'm here for you. Similarly jojo in
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 1: like the car, right, She's just like, yeah, my guys,
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 1: Bill sucks, but nothing compared to this piece of ship
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 1: we just saw, Like that scene, that scene in the
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 1: car is so good. It's great. Yeah, I I sort of,
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 1: I mean, I guess I sort of like they do
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 1: say very cruel things to each other, um, and you know,
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 1: I guess in a perfect world, like having them be like,
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 1: I am sorry that I said that cruel thing to you.
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 1: It just felt so sister to me that I'm like,
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 1: I don't you know, or just like sibling relationships in general,
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 1: where you just say something like the meanest thing you
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 1: can think of in the moment, and then like twenty
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 1: minutes later you're like, I'm crying. I need you to
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 1: hug me. Like it's just so chaotic, especially because they're
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 1: so young. And Yeah, the sibling relationship that I found
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 1: completely unrelatable was Charlie Windsor and his sister who Daisy
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 1: miss stakes for his girlfriend wraps his arm. You're like
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 1: like laughing and they're like linked arms and she's very
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 1: demure and like, I'm just like what you guys would
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 1: call each other's eyes out, like I have two brothers,
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 1: Like it's not like that. And I was like, is
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 1: that a rich person thing? Like what this fuck? I
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 1: was Also I was like, was that like just like
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 1: plot writing or how rich siblings interact. They might like
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 1: not know each other because their rooms are so far
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 1: apart in their mansion, like always met a few times
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 1: in the halls, but he seems nice speaking to those
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 1: the that family, I mean, going back to that family
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 1: really quick. There's just one other thing I wanted to
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 1: hit on with that scene, Like that is like, uh,
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 1: you know where Daisy goes over to the house and
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 1: the rich people are really rich peopling out. Um. Another
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 1: thing that happens in that scene that I thought was
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 1: just like really, I don't know, like the attention to detail.
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 1: It's a little melodramatic, it's a little over the top,
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 1: but like so it is a whole movie, so whatever. Uh.
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 1: But when when they realized that Daisy is a waitress,
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 1: and it's like that very bizarre like rich person calculus
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 1: happens where they're like, oh, that's not gross at all.
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 1: We don't think that's gross. In fact, that's noble, and
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 1: we don't think you're discussing at all. That's really cool
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 1: And you're like, oh no, that that just like I
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 1: don't know, that felt very real. And then also they're
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 1: rich people just slipping and saying something completely like classist
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 1: and like just like they say something just outright cruel
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 1: about Portuguese and you're like, that's a classic rich people moment.
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 1: That just felt like it's a little over the top,
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 1: but like not that over at the top of like,
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 1: I don't know, rich people at dinner terrifying to me.
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 1: And then like it's like I guess even though he
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 1: does it for probably his own reasons, Like Charlie's telling
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 1: them off is like nice kind of until he like
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 1: pulls the tablecloth and like ruins their entire dinner, whips
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 1: Matt Damon's lobster. Yeah, he kind of Like I feel
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 1: like he could have like calmly walked away after giving
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 1: them a piece of his mind, and it could have
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 1: been like, Wow, he's really given us something to think about.
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 1: But then he like throws like a tantrum, and yeah,
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 1: I can't hate Charlie. I can't stand him. He's such
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 1: a yeah, like I do, I don't know. I I
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 1: I feel like, no matter what, he and Daisy are
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 1: not long for this world in terms of like is
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 1: this relationship going to go to the distance. Definitely not.
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 1: I mean, it honestly reminded me of Megan and Harry,
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 1: Like it's like, oh, you're super racist like rich family that,
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 1: like you know, I don't know if you guys watched
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 1: like the Oprah interview, but like Harry like being like, oh, yeah,
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 1: I like learned, I've I've learned a lot from her
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 1: and I and I I can totally see that this
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 1: is like you kind of like get that, like, Okay,
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 1: this guy is like choosing her over his like idiot
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 1: family and taking the righteous path or whatever, and like
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 1: I just don't Yeah, it's it. I think him speaking out.
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 1: I was like, oh, that's a little bit of like
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 1: Harry like he's not going to stand for this. But
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 1: then I don't think he's a he's the guy for
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 1: for Daisy. I think Daisy deserves a lot better because
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 1: she's right. He is making it too much about him,
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 1: like and I don't think it feel like he really
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 1: rectified that, Like I'm glad she like ripped him a
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 1: new one and was like no, fuck you. But then
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 1: he just kind of shows up. He's like I'm sorry,
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 1: and it's like but no, you know what, Yeah, he
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 1: doesn't even say sorry. He says so he says, I
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 1: owe you an apology, and then she didn't HyET I
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 1: didn't even register that I do. He never gives a lot,
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 1: and he doesn't actually say I'm sorry, here's what I
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 1: did and I'm sorry for it. Yeah. Oh no, I
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 1: didn't even realize. Yeah, it's one of the worst apology.
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 1: I mean it's not he just as I owe you one.
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 1: And then she it's sad because she doesn't require him
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 1: to give it, like she Yeah. I wish she had
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 1: put her foot down and been like, Okay, I'm waiting
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 1: for your apology that you have not yet delivered to me,
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 1: which would be so daisy too to be like, okay,
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 1: make it good. Go. Like I do think that we
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 1: should keep in mind that like the thing that these
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 1: women all have in common is like how horny they are,
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 1: and like they're just like varying degrees of like absolutely horny.
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 1: And I think that like that's at least to be
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 1: factored into the ways that they settle, you know. Yeah,
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 1: they're just like I just have to get that dick
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 1: and like I'll marry him. I I just have to
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 1: have it, like gosh, yeah, I know it. Maybe so
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I kind of I wish I had
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 1: asked my mom what because I feel like she probably
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 1: has seen this movie, but like, yeah, I don't know.
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 1: It's it's so bizarre to think of now, like the
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 1: eighties in that regard, like truly was a different time
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 1: where it was like people I mean not to say
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 1: that people are settling now. It still happens to this day,
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 1: but settling culture was was like way different in the
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 1: late eighties. It was it is more I feel I
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 1: feel like it was more often than not. Oh one
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 1: factory that I just wanted to bring up while we're
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 1: on the topic of settling. Um Jojo the the actor
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 1: that played Jojo. I guess it was originally written that
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 1: her character was pregnant, and the actor insisted that they
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 1: removed that plot point, And I thought that was so
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 1: cool that she stood up for that because it would
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 1: be a really different movie and her character. I just
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 1: think it's like, I love that she doesn't want to
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 1: get married because she just doesn't want to lose the
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 1: freedom of her life. And I think that I just
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 1: I like that she Yeah, she enables the character to
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 1: have that. Yeah, I adore Jojo. Jamie. I think you
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 1: mentioned this, but I would have liked to see more
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 1: interaction between Daisy and Kat's mom and them, and then
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 1: also we get next to nothing with Jojoe and her
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 1: family is particularly her mother. I think there's like not
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 1: even anything, but her dad's just like get out of
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 1: here a bit. Yeah, classic my daughter, and cut to
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 1: the next scene. But we do meet Daisy and Kat's mother,
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 1: but we only get very small snippets of her, although
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 1: there was one scene that I did find interesting where
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 1: Daisy and her mom are arguing and it's clear that
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 1: Daisy knows that her mother is disappointed in her, and
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 1: she resents that but she's like not gonna stop living
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 1: her life the way she wants to, but also wants
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 1: her mother to like accept that instead of like breaking
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 1: out their relationship and yeah, and she said something to
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 1: the effect of like, yeah, you're disappointed in me. I
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 1: swear I am stupid, I'm a slut, And then her
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 1: mom's just like, no, I just want you to make
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 1: something of yourself. And she's like, well, I'm not gonna
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 1: go to Yale and she's like and her mom's like
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 1: I'm not expecting that, like, just you know, do something,
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 1: And I just I wish there had been I guess
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 1: just like more scenes like that are more context behind
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 1: their entire relationship because or even like another scene with
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 1: the mom after that, because that's the last thing she says.
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 1: She's just like I'm concerned about you, and then you're
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 1: like yeah, and then what you know, like nothing that
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 1: felt like, I mean not to bring up screenwriting something
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 1: that um, I do have a master's degree in which
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 1: I of course would hate to bring up. But that's
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 1: the type of thing where you need like a one
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 1: to three story beat to show that arc almost where
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 1: something in the beginning where we see the nature of
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 1: their relationship more clearly than something in the middle, where
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 1: you know, the conflict is kind of like at its
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 1: highest point, and then a third beat towards the end
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 1: where we get some kind of like resolution or like
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 1: under standing between them or something like that. But instead
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 1: we just kind of get that one in the middle,
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 1: and there's not enough context before or after. I kind
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 1: of wonder if that is the sort of thing, because now,
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 1: especially with the context you give us, Hallie that this
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 1: movie was so thoroughly rewritten, if that was something that
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 1: was originally more present in the movie that went away,
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 1: because it does like it is really like intentionally set up,
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 1: and then it just kind of goes away then comes back,
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 1: you know, like just before the end, and then yeah,
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 1: like that like her, the mom's journey has never made
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 1: totally clear, and then it's also never resolved. You get
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 1: the sense that the mom has a lot of how
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 1: I kind of saw it was like she has a
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 1: lot of pain and sees herself in Daisy and it's
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 1: like that's what scares her. She's like, oh yeah, I
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 1: like how do you think I wound up like a
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 1: single mom here? Like I don't know, it's there's really
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 1: like the like option available to I guess, like Daisy
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 1: and Jojo seem to like hover over them like just
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 1: like becoming their parents, and like Jojo like I don't
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 1: know if you guys caught this, like right at the end.
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 1: I had to rewind to watch it twice. They don't
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 1: show you, as you mentioned, Kaitlin, Like they don't actually
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 1: introduce you to JoJo's mom or anything. But like earlier
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 1: in the movie, she like says, like honestly like a
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 1: fat phobic comment about she's just like I don't want
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 1: to like grow up and just like have a bunch
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 1: of kids and get fat and drink a bunch of
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 1: beer and like and just like loose, you know, like
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 1: that's like her nightmare, you know. And then later, like
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 1: right before the final scene where they're all on the balcony,
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 1: you just see there's no dialogue in a really quick
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 1: scene of Jojo sitting down between like all these like
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 1: Portuguese women who are like eating huge slices of cake
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 1: and like guzzling beer and they're like having a great time,
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 1: and Jojo like sits down with them and like joins them,
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 1: and like she she doesn't look sad or anything. She
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 1: just looks like, okay, like this is this is where
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 1: I am. It's like kind of sweet. Actually I didn't
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 1: pick up on that. That's really nice, and I thought
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 1: that was interesting. I mean, who doesn't want a slice
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 1: of cake and beer? That sounds great? And I went
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 1: to do that right now. Yeah, yeah, I the mom
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 1: stuff is. And I also think it's like very like
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 1: kind of like huh, like how is there not a
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 1: scene with the three of them? How is there not
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 1: a dinner scene at their has Like it just seems
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 1: like something that I'm like in my head, I'm like
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 1: that had to have existed in some version of this movie,
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 1: because otherwise that is like so I don't know, and
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 1: I and I agree with what you're both saying to
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 1: that it's like it ends up kind of coming off
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 1: half baked because the mom is in this so little
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 1: but that you know, cycle of poverty dynamic of like
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 1: you have to make something of yourself and like you
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 1: have to get out of here, and like or you're gonna,
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 1: like you're saying, helly, like you're gonna end up in
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 1: the same cycle that I'm in and I want my
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 1: children to have better than what I had, and like
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 1: that is all like a very normal dynamic, but it
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 1: just feels like it's kind of half baked in a
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 1: way that the mom ends up coming off pretty like mean,
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 1: which is which you know could also be true. It
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 1: seems like it is true to an extent, but yeah,
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 1: it just felt like not the setup was there, but
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 1: then it just wasn't fully explored. And also it's like
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 1: you want that moment where like the mom is like
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 1: I'm sorry and like I accept you however you want
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 1: to be. And also, I mean, I guess it's the eighties.
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 1: I don't know what people are thinking about then, but
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 1: I'm like daisies like twenty like can we not like
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 1: tell her to get your ship together, like she's funny.
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 1: She's like, no one's going to have their ship together
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 1: at that time. I do think that the scene, the
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 1: scene you just described where like the mom you that
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 1: story the mom storyline up, like that should have been
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 1: where the wedding is, like instead of the wedding, we
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 1: should have had that conversation and like I don't know,
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 1: they could go on a road trip or something, right,
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 1: because it's like that affects that affects Cat as well,
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 1: where like Cat clearly has this like I mean, she
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 1: does have a dream to like be a woman in stamp.
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 1: She wants to do all this stuff, but also it's
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 1: a clear that she's under a lot of you know,
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 1: she she's a people pleaser. She wants to make her
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 1: mom happy. She wants to like she wants to succeed
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 1: for herself, but she also wants to succeed to prove
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 1: something and like please her mom and her family. And
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 1: like that is also like whether the mom intends to
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 1: be putting too much pressure on her kid or not,
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 1: Like that is what happens in the situations. I just
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 1: I don't know, which is why I liked that we
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 1: at least and I was you know, again, I wish
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 1: we got a little more with her, but I do
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 1: like that, um Leona is present as kind of this
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 1: surrogate mother who Daisy and Cat can actually talk to
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 1: and actually feel like they can communicate. There like that
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 1: that felt like a cool touch. And that beat at
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 1: the end where Leone is like, you're my daughters and
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 1: gives her money to for Yale, You're just like, that's
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 1: so nice. I really I wish we got more of
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 1: with leon It, but I like her character. It's really cool.
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 1: Like you know, she's like she is like this matriarch figure.
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 1: She's very like firm on what how she wants her
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 1: business to run. She has like this arc of like,
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 1: I don't care what people say about my restaurant, but
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 1: then she's like, but actually, obviously I do, because that's
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 1: how restaurants work, and that's her arc. I love that
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 1: her husband is I don't know if he has a name,
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 1: and he's just washing dishes the entire movie. Yeah, it
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 1: just is in charge of him. Yeah, to the point
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 1: where I'm like, is that her husband? We know about
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 1: this man that I'm like that could just be an
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 1: employee of hers. I didn't figure it out until the
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 1: very end when he when she started saying like we
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 1: and like you are like a daughter to us, I'm like, well,
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 1: I guess she is married to that guy. Yeah. I
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 1: think that Leona's perspective on the town is kind of
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 1: where maybe Jojo ends up, where like because Daisy is
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 1: like disparaging mystic, She's like I just gotta get out
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 1: of this like stupid town and like I don't want
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 1: have to work here anymore and whatever, and Leona is
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 1: just like, well, we make the best pizza and like
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 1: I just love that. She's like not really like offended
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 1: by that. She's just like, no, it's great, Like I'm
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 1: I make the best pizza. And like, I don't know,
• 1:19:36
  Speaker 1: like a lot of the adults, like even if they
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 1: are poor, like seemed to actually with the exception of Tim,
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 1: who's like one of the rich characters, but um seemed
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 1: to be enjoying their lives and have good community, like
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 1: a nice community, and like they're pretty happy for sure.
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 1: I like it, yeah, because it's like I don't know,
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 1: like yeah, that that like tendency of any time the
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 1: working class is portrayed as sort of like a you know,
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 1: they're a lot of people opt for the tragedy porn
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 1: and really harping on the negative aspects of poverty, of
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 1: which there are so so many, and not to like
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 1: underplay that, but it doesn't mean that you can't live
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 1: a life with like joy and dignity and you know,
• 1:20:15
  Speaker 1: an inner life, and yeah, like everyone in this movie
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 1: has that. And also it's like being poor like that.
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 1: I like that moment from Daisy two where she's like, yeah,
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 1: being poor fucking sucks. I can admit that, but that
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 1: doesn't mean that you can treat me this way, and
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 1: like that's so great. That reminds me of my favorite
• 1:20:36
  Speaker 1: line from the movie is when Daisy is looking in
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 1: her fridge at her mom's house and it's just packed
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 1: full of lobster and she was just like, fucking lot
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 1: of lobster here, and then you cut you cut straight
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 1: to like the fancy dinner where they're all eating the
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 1: exact same lobster, and it's like, there they are. They're
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 1: wealthy and lobster the a Rougeo family. Yes, oh goodness.
• 1:21:01
  Speaker 1: One additional fuck Charlie moment. So this is after Daisy
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 1: has just fucking smoked everyone at pool and everyone's like,
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 1: oh my god, a woman can do a pool, which
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 1: I did. I mean, I was just like watching Julie Roberts.
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 1: That happened to Julia Roberts a lot in movies, because
• 1:21:23
  Speaker 1: I think that happens with her at that time. She
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 1: can fix the car, and everyone's like so after Charlie's
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 1: all impressed, and he then proceeds to stalk her and
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 1: find out where she lives and shows up at her house.
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 1: Daisy's mom is like, I guess, like, who the funk
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 1: are you? But whatever, And then Daisy comes home and
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 1: her mom's like, you could have told me that you
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 1: were going out for dinner or whatever, and Daisy is like,
• 1:21:51
  Speaker 1: I didn't know. I was so basically, Charlie just like again,
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 1: having stalked her, showed up. He's just like, yeah, I'm
• 1:21:58
  Speaker 1: here to take out your daughter for dinner, like not
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 1: even giving her the choice, not giving Daisy they chanced
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 1: to say no, like, He's just like, we are doing this,
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 1: Get in my Porsche. You He's so entitled. I hate
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 1: this man so much. Yeah, he and Tim are both
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 1: kind of predatory, and I feel like driving, I don't know,
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 1: just like driving the Porsche parking it in front of
• 1:22:22
  Speaker 1: her house, Like I feel like there is something really
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 1: gross about him just being like I'm going to take
• 1:22:28
  Speaker 1: you out and just like flaunting his wealth and like
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 1: using his influence of that. Yeah, yeah, I wish that
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 1: he didn't. It doesn't even seem inconceivable in the world
• 1:22:40
  Speaker 1: of this movie that this could end by Julia Roberts
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 1: being like, actually, fuck you, Like perfect perfect world, she
• 1:22:49
  Speaker 1: would have said, actually you, because he's just he just
• 1:22:52
  Speaker 1: sucks the whole time he did. He's not fun at
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 1: one moment except unless he's good at sex, which I
• 1:22:59
  Speaker 1: guess it seems like she enjoys having sex with them.
• 1:23:01
  Speaker 1: But outside of that, I'm like, what is your point
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 1: we have to talk about their sex scene and that
• 1:23:05
  Speaker 1: wait in another haunted mansion, like both sisters all the
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 1: powers off, both sisters fuck predatory men in haunted mansions
• 1:23:14
  Speaker 1: at different points. Actually, I feel like around the semi
• 1:23:17
  Speaker 1: point in the movie. But oh my god, I forgot
• 1:23:20
  Speaker 1: about this. Yeah, Like the scene where Daisy like Daisy
• 1:23:24
  Speaker 1: is taken by Charlie to his family's like off season
• 1:23:28
  Speaker 1: like summer home or whatever, this ship where like it's dark,
• 1:23:31
  Speaker 1: the electricity is shut off, so they like start a fire,
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 1: and like there's like white sheets over all the furniture,
• 1:23:39
  Speaker 1: so it really does seem like a haunted mansion. And
• 1:23:42
  Speaker 1: then Daisy does such a wild move, which is that
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 1: like he like he like looks away for a second
• 1:23:50
  Speaker 1: and then he turns back and she's gone, and her
• 1:23:52
  Speaker 1: like stiletto heel is like balanced on the edge of
• 1:23:55
  Speaker 1: a table or something, and then she's like, Charlie, follow
• 1:23:59
  Speaker 1: the breadgrounds and then then like he like somehow in
• 1:24:04
  Speaker 1: the course of moments, Julia Roberts takes off all her clothes,
• 1:24:08
  Speaker 1: navigates a darkened home that she's never been in before,
• 1:24:11
  Speaker 1: and finds her way to like an upstairs bedroom, and
• 1:24:14
  Speaker 1: then puts on Charlie's dad's shirt, which is like all
• 1:24:18
  Speaker 1: of that is like, so like, how did she do that?
• 1:24:21
  Speaker 1: She must have been running, She's got skills. I wish
• 1:24:26
  Speaker 1: I had thought that through, because I was like, that
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 1: is supernatural that she could do that. Yeah, my husband
• 1:24:32
  Speaker 1: pointed that out when we watched it last night, because
• 1:24:34
  Speaker 1: I mean, that didn't I don't think that had occurred
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 1: to me either, and I've seen it so many times.
• 1:24:37
  Speaker 1: It's just like wait a second. First of all, that's
• 1:24:40
  Speaker 1: like a really really bold move, but like, just how
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 1: did she do it with like the physics of it,
• 1:24:47
  Speaker 1: Like the logistics don't quite add up. And then he's like,
• 1:24:53
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna fuck you and my dad's shirt in my
• 1:24:55
  Speaker 1: dad's bed. Yeah, she really is like enacting power of
• 1:25:00
  Speaker 1: after power, Like yeah, I wish, I get, I just wish.
• 1:25:05
  Speaker 1: I think for each of these three women, I would
• 1:25:07
  Speaker 1: have liked to see a different resolution. My pitch for
• 1:25:11
  Speaker 1: Daisy would be that she does not take Charlie back.
• 1:25:14
  Speaker 1: He might come to apologize, maybe he even does apologize,
• 1:25:18
  Speaker 1: but I think that she should be like, Nope, what's
• 1:25:20
  Speaker 1: done is done. I don't know even why I dated
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 1: you in the first place. Goodbye. My pitch for Jojo
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 1: is that if she wants to stay with Bill, fine,
• 1:25:31
  Speaker 1: but I wish she hadn't agreed to marry him so soon,
• 1:25:35
  Speaker 1: especially after the entire movie is her being like I'm
• 1:25:38
  Speaker 1: not ready yet and I won't be for a while.
• 1:25:41
  Speaker 1: So for her to like marry him after all so soon,
• 1:25:44
  Speaker 1: I was just like, well, that's inconsistent with everything we
• 1:25:48
  Speaker 1: learned about Jojo. And then I would have liked for
• 1:25:52
  Speaker 1: for Cat, maybe we like see her go off to
• 1:25:55
  Speaker 1: college or like we see like one kind of final
• 1:25:58
  Speaker 1: b where she's I don't know, just some something else
• 1:26:01
  Speaker 1: because she just gets such a her to tape Tim's
• 1:26:04
  Speaker 1: check back together and go to the bank. That's where
• 1:26:07
  Speaker 1: I wanted to end, because she's like, I've had a
• 1:26:09
  Speaker 1: change of heart. I don't care. Yes, I want her
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 1: to dump a barrel of fish in Tim's car into
• 1:26:15
  Speaker 1: his car. Yeah. Yeah, I think interesting things were explored
• 1:26:19
  Speaker 1: with each of those romantic relationships, but I wish they
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 1: had resolved differently in general. Yeah, definitely. Um, does anyone
• 1:26:29
  Speaker 1: have any other thoughts about the movie that wasn't for me? Yeah?
• 1:26:34
  Speaker 1: It does pass the Bechdel test because women are talking
• 1:26:38
  Speaker 1: about pizza, they're talking about lobsters, they're talking about talking
• 1:26:43
  Speaker 1: about the stars, astronomy, how they view each other, their
• 1:26:47
  Speaker 1: their futures, their hopes, their dreams. They do talk about
• 1:26:51
  Speaker 1: men a lot, because again, there is a lot of
• 1:26:54
  Speaker 1: real estate in the story dedicated to their romantic subplots
• 1:26:58
  Speaker 1: with men. So you know, lots of hetero people, lots
• 1:27:04
  Speaker 1: of white people, and in its white people it's white
• 1:27:07
  Speaker 1: people City, which you know might be representative of what
• 1:27:11
  Speaker 1: mystic is actually like, I don't remember from when I
• 1:27:14
  Speaker 1: went there in third grade or whatever. But yeah, you
• 1:27:18
  Speaker 1: know it's it's pretty standard romantic drama ty type. Fair
• 1:27:23
  Speaker 1: of this era, for sure, of this era especially so
• 1:27:28
  Speaker 1: I guess as far as our nipple scale zero to
• 1:27:30
  Speaker 1: five nipples. Based on an examination of intersectional feminism as
• 1:27:36
  Speaker 1: it applies to the movie, I think I would give
• 1:27:39
  Speaker 1: this maybe a three, or maybe just shy of a three,
• 1:27:42
  Speaker 1: maybe like a two point seven five kind of thing,
• 1:27:45
  Speaker 1: or maybe even that's too generous. I panic every time
• 1:27:48
  Speaker 1: I have to write a movie, do a three? Okay,
• 1:27:53
  Speaker 1: I wanna I'm gonna go down just a bit to
• 1:27:55
  Speaker 1: a two point seven five when I'm keeping my secret
• 1:28:03
  Speaker 1: pizza recipe from you, and I'm going lower in the rating.
• 1:28:06
  Speaker 1: You um, because while I like the relationships between the women,
• 1:28:12
  Speaker 1: I wish they had just been given a little bit
• 1:28:15
  Speaker 1: more focus, especially like even we don't even get that
• 1:28:19
  Speaker 1: much between In fact, it was like maybe halfway through
• 1:28:24
  Speaker 1: me watching the movie the first time that I really
• 1:28:26
  Speaker 1: fully understand, I was like, are they all sisters? Are
• 1:28:29
  Speaker 1: none of them sisters? Who is a sister to the
• 1:28:31
  Speaker 1: other person? Like, I had a hard time like figuring
• 1:28:34
  Speaker 1: out the dynamics of them exactly because I feel like
• 1:28:38
  Speaker 1: just not quite enough as established about their character. I
• 1:28:42
  Speaker 1: love when you're like they're all active like scissors who's
• 1:28:44
  Speaker 1: actually sisters. But I think it speaks to maybe we
• 1:28:49
  Speaker 1: don't spend enough time with them or like focused on
• 1:28:54
  Speaker 1: their relationships with each other, because again, so much real
• 1:28:59
  Speaker 1: estate is spent on different men who all suck. So like,
• 1:29:05
  Speaker 1: I just want better for these these women. And yeah,
• 1:29:09
  Speaker 1: as far as the resolutions for them, it just feels like, well,
• 1:29:14
  Speaker 1: the movie has to end in a wedding because it's
• 1:29:17
  Speaker 1: a movie with romance in it, so we gotta do that.
• 1:29:20
  Speaker 1: I gotta check that box. And it's like, you don't
• 1:29:23
  Speaker 1: though you don't have to do that. Yeah, yeah, so
• 1:29:26
  Speaker 1: different different things like that, um make you want to
• 1:29:30
  Speaker 1: give to two point seven five. I'll give one to
• 1:29:34
  Speaker 1: Joe Joe because I love her. I'll give one to Leona,
• 1:29:36
  Speaker 1: and I'll give my point seven five to like a
• 1:29:42
  Speaker 1: hundred gallons of dead fish getting dumped into a Porsche,
• 1:29:47
  Speaker 1: because I wish that would happen every day. Perfect. I'm
• 1:29:52
  Speaker 1: gonna do a hard throbbing three. Yeah. I really enjoyed
• 1:29:58
  Speaker 1: this movie. It certainly had it's issues. I wish that
• 1:30:02
  Speaker 1: all the romantic plots, it ended differently, and I wish
• 1:30:05
  Speaker 1: that there was more of a fuller picture with the
• 1:30:08
  Speaker 1: mom I wish you knew. I just wish you knew
• 1:30:10
  Speaker 1: a little more about the inner life of each main
• 1:30:13
  Speaker 1: character outside of their relationships with men. And even even
• 1:30:18
  Speaker 1: though I guess with with Cat and Um Daisy, you
• 1:30:21
  Speaker 1: do have a pretty rich relationship that they have with
• 1:30:22
  Speaker 1: each other as well. So I don't want to like
• 1:30:25
  Speaker 1: negate that. Yeah, I I I don't know. I'm very
• 1:30:28
  Speaker 1: inclined to be very nice to this movie because I like,
• 1:30:31
  Speaker 1: I felt like bizarrely seen in it in a like
• 1:30:34
  Speaker 1: a very specific way of just like really intense poor
• 1:30:39
  Speaker 1: people in New England friendships. I was like, oh, yeah,
• 1:30:42
  Speaker 1: like that, I know those, And like, I really like
• 1:30:47
  Speaker 1: how class is presented pretty frankly in this movie. I
• 1:30:52
  Speaker 1: like that the rich people are villains. I don't know,
• 1:30:55
  Speaker 1: they're they're just especially Daisy does all these things that
• 1:30:58
  Speaker 1: I wish I could have done when I was younger,
• 1:31:00
  Speaker 1: and I just couldn't do Um in terms of just
• 1:31:04
  Speaker 1: like advocating for herself and speaking up and like knowing
• 1:31:07
  Speaker 1: when she's being used and seeing so and then a Cat,
• 1:31:10
  Speaker 1: I feel like I saw how a little more of
• 1:31:11
  Speaker 1: how I actually was, of like being very naive and
• 1:31:16
  Speaker 1: not knowing how to advocate for yourself and wanting to,
• 1:31:19
  Speaker 1: you know, impress people. It's just like, I wish you
• 1:31:22
  Speaker 1: knew more about our main characters because they are so
• 1:31:24
  Speaker 1: distinct and they have all these like really relatable, recognizable traits,
• 1:31:30
  Speaker 1: and even though they're so different, they have such a
• 1:31:32
  Speaker 1: like undying loyalty to each other. Even when they're like
• 1:31:35
  Speaker 1: saying the most terrific ship in the world to each other.
• 1:31:38
  Speaker 1: You know that there's like you never have a doubt
• 1:31:40
  Speaker 1: that there is like baggage, but there's also so much
• 1:31:44
  Speaker 1: love and I just, yeah, I I really was touched
• 1:31:48
  Speaker 1: by I can't wait to watch it again. And I
• 1:31:51
  Speaker 1: want the shirt, so I'm gonna be reree nipples there
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  Speaker 1: and then you know, the whatever we've we've we've talked
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  Speaker 1: through its issues and also they're really should be a
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  Speaker 1: Portuguese actor in this anyways, I'm going to just give
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  Speaker 1: one nipple to each of the three main characters. Amazing, Halle.
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  Speaker 1: It was really interesting to watch this movie very thoughtfully
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  Speaker 1: for the first time, because I think when I first
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  Speaker 1: watched it, when I was like in my late teens
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  Speaker 1: early twenties. The reason it took me took so long
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  Speaker 1: for the movie to grow on me was that I
• 1:32:24
  Speaker 1: think I was just like, oh ha, this is like
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  Speaker 1: a chick flick that I'm going to watch while I'm
• 1:32:27
  Speaker 1: like painting my nails on the weekend, and like just
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  Speaker 1: I don't know, like pass an afternoon or something. And
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  Speaker 1: then I think I can be like, I don't know,
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  Speaker 1: kind of like pretentiously my film taste. And I think
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  Speaker 1: that I it took several viewings to realize how much
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  Speaker 1: I loved this movie and like how how special I
• 1:32:47
  Speaker 1: think it is. And I'm like biased in the way
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  Speaker 1: that it feels very like nostalgic to me. And I
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  Speaker 1: had never really watched it with like a feminist lens before. Honestly, um,
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  Speaker 1: I had watched it just like for a good time. Um.
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  Speaker 1: So it was really really cool, and I really appreciate
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  Speaker 1: like the opportunity to to like have this whole conversation
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  Speaker 1: about a movie that's been kind of just like in
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  Speaker 1: the background of my life for a long time. Yeah. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: And I think I think I would agree with giving
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  Speaker 1: it three nipples. I think that it's definitely problematic in
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  Speaker 1: in so many ways, and like these women deserve better.
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  Speaker 1: I wish that we could see Amy Jones version. I
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  Speaker 1: wish that there was like an alternate universe where she
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  Speaker 1: directed it and we could, you know. I mean not
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  Speaker 1: that maybe it wouldn't be this movie like I that
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  Speaker 1: I love so much, um, But yeah, I think that,
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  Speaker 1: like it's sad that that didn't get to exist, um,
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  Speaker 1: and that she was like put through a ringer in
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  Speaker 1: such a way. So I'm going to give my extra nipples,
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  Speaker 1: all of them to Amy Jones because I think she
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  Speaker 1: really fought so hard for it. Seems like she's fought
• 1:34:06
  Speaker 1: so hard for everything that she's made and like ended
• 1:34:09
  Speaker 1: up like having an incredible career despite it. But yeah,
• 1:34:14
  Speaker 1: like she she totally deserved to direct this movie and
• 1:34:18
  Speaker 1: it seems like it was really important to her and
• 1:34:21
  Speaker 1: she fought really hard to like have that chance, and
• 1:34:24
  Speaker 1: she still didn't get it. But I'm grateful that we
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  Speaker 1: got to watch it. Seems like we got to watch
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  Speaker 1: the movie that was at least like loyal to her
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  Speaker 1: original script. But yeah, shout out to Amy Jens come
• 1:34:36
  Speaker 1: on this show any time. Seriously, She's our biggest fan obviously,
• 1:34:41
  Speaker 1: so she will hear this about Beethoven. Oh my gosh,
• 1:34:46
  Speaker 1: we should coverchober on the Matrean. Yeah, I would love
• 1:34:51
  Speaker 1: to know, like the gender politics of Beethoven. So would I.
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  Speaker 1: There's always like it's always those movies that you never
• 1:34:57
  Speaker 1: expect that you're just like, wow, there's so much to
• 1:34:59
  Speaker 1: talk about. See the Flubber episode. I do want to
• 1:35:04
  Speaker 1: stay like thinking about this movie through this, like Feminist
• 1:35:08
  Speaker 1: Lens is like for being from it could be unwatchable,
• 1:35:13
  Speaker 1: it could be like absolutely unwatchable. And new movies like
• 1:35:19
  Speaker 1: fall prey to the exact same ship, like ending with
• 1:35:22
  Speaker 1: a wedding or like the characters who shouldn't stay together
• 1:35:25
  Speaker 1: do like I mean spoiler alert to all the boys
• 1:35:28
  Speaker 1: I've loved before. But like I remember watching like the
• 1:35:31
  Speaker 1: third one and the whole movie. I was like, she's
• 1:35:34
  Speaker 1: gonna break it off with him and like go off
• 1:35:37
  Speaker 1: to college and have her like amazing life of being
• 1:35:40
  Speaker 1: young and single in New York, and she just like
• 1:35:43
  Speaker 1: stays with him long distance, and I was so disappointed
• 1:35:47
  Speaker 1: and it felt similar to but like it's it's hard
• 1:35:51
  Speaker 1: to blame Mystic Pizza for for ending the way it does.
• 1:35:54
  Speaker 1: When movies now still can't resist ending in the wedding
• 1:35:58
  Speaker 1: and ending in the like they're together forever. Like it's
• 1:36:02
  Speaker 1: I mean, it's obnoxious. I hope we can get over it.
• 1:36:04
  Speaker 1: When we're going to subvert that. One really great movie
• 1:36:08
  Speaker 1: just has to do it, and then everyone will do it.
• 1:36:10
  Speaker 1: Right there, I gets so trendy right now. Fine, I'll
• 1:36:13
  Speaker 1: write it. Do it, Yeah, please write it, Caitlin. Um, well,
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  Speaker 1: thank you so much for being here. It was a
• 1:36:19
  Speaker 1: treat to chat with you about Mystic Pizza, Absolute dream.
• 1:36:23
  Speaker 1: I'm also very hungry for pizza now. So, um, where
• 1:36:27
  Speaker 1: can people check out your work, tell us about your book,
• 1:36:33
  Speaker 1: follow you on social media, all that stuff. Yeah. So
• 1:36:36
  Speaker 1: my new book is called Directions, and it is a
• 1:36:41
  Speaker 1: book of advice and epiphanies and aha moments. It's kind
• 1:36:45
  Speaker 1: of my like the product of my constant need to
• 1:36:51
  Speaker 1: like record everything and try to save anything that's like
• 1:36:56
  Speaker 1: helpful or like potentially like life changing. And I hope
• 1:37:01
  Speaker 1: that's an adequate description. But um, this book is really
• 1:37:03
  Speaker 1: special to me and I'm really proud of it. And uh,
• 1:37:07
  Speaker 1: it's the kind of thing that you can like pick
• 1:37:09
  Speaker 1: up at any time and like maybe find something that
• 1:37:12
  Speaker 1: will help and just help you, like deal with the
• 1:37:16
  Speaker 1: abject terror of existing at all and having like no
• 1:37:20
  Speaker 1: idea how to do it. So so that's my book.
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  Speaker 1: It's so beautiful. I love it so much. Thank you.
• 1:37:28
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• 1:37:46
  Speaker 1: and uh go watch Mystic Pizza if you haven't. It's
• 1:37:50
  Speaker 1: a great film. Yes, and you can follow us on
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• 1:38:00
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• 1:38:05
  Speaker 1: maybe Beethoven members on the horizon. You never know, we
• 1:38:11
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• 1:38:15
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• 1:38:18
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• 1:38:30
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• 1:38:33
  Speaker 1: slash the Beetel Cast if that's something you choose to do. Um,
• 1:38:38
  Speaker 1: I'm not going to get our merch. This week. I'm
• 1:38:39
  Speaker 1: gonna probably end up waiting three days, then folding and
• 1:38:43
  Speaker 1: buying a Mystic Pizza T shirt. That's my normal system
• 1:38:48
  Speaker 1: of online shopping. Amazing. I'm going to go order a pizza.
• 1:38:53
  Speaker 1: That's what I'm going to do for myself. Although I
• 1:38:57
  Speaker 1: have this secret recipe, I don't even why I should
• 1:39:00
  Speaker 1: just make my own. Nothing's going to compare to that. Caitlin,
• 1:39:05
  Speaker 1: when you die, will you give us the recipe? You're
• 1:39:07
  Speaker 1: going to give it to us, right, I'll think about it. Wow.
• 1:39:13
  Speaker 1: Leona was so much more open with her recipe. Alright,
• 1:39:19
  Speaker 1: bye bye