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IVY LEAGUE “ASSASSIN” SUSPECT’S BOMB PLAN, EVIL TO-DO LIST, BARES TEETH IN COURT · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stores with Nancy Grace, the so called Ivy League
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Speaker 1: assassins plan to bomb Manhattan emerges along with an evil
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Speaker 1: to do list. The mask slips off the prep school
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Speaker 1: grad as he bears his teeth in court and now
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Speaker 1: fighting extradition. I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. Thank
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Speaker 1: you for being with us for just over five days.
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Speaker 2: Our NYPD investigators comb through thousands of hours of video,
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Speaker 2: followed up on hundreds of tips, and processed every bit
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Speaker 2: of forensic evidence DNA fingerprints, IP addresses, and so much more.
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Speaker 2: To tighten the net, we deployed drones, canine units, and
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Speaker 2: scuba divers. We leveraged the Domain Awareness System ARGUS cameras
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Speaker 2: and conducted aviation canvases. And our detectives also went door
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Speaker 2: to door interviewing potential witnesses and doing the good old
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Speaker 2: fashioned police work that our investigators are famous for.
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Speaker 1: And Police Commissioner Jessica Tish was right. It worked. Listen.
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Speaker 3: A man was taking it to custody today at Altuda,
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Speaker 3: Pennsylvania this morning. He has been identified as Luigi Nicholas Mangioni.
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Speaker 3: He's a male twenty six years old. He was born
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Speaker 3: and raised in Maryland. We know he has tais to
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Speaker 3: San Francisco, California, and his last known address was Honolulu, Hawaii.
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Speaker 3: He has no prior arrest history in New York and.
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Speaker 1: Now the battle moves to the court room fighting extradition.
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Speaker 4: Well, I mean he was either in a way or
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Speaker 4: a challenge extradition. There's a pretty clear cut process if
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Speaker 4: he files his petition for habeas corpus. We're in the
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Speaker 4: process now security a governor's weren't from the state of
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Speaker 4: New York, and we'll be prepared when the judge schedules
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Speaker 4: is the hearing has to do what's necessary to get
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Speaker 4: him back to New York.
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Speaker 1: That from our friends at Forbes with me in all
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Speaker 1: star panels straight out to special guests joining us. Christina Ohio,
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Speaker 1: national news anchor Sale News Channel, Christina, what is the latest?
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Speaker 1: We saw the mask slipping yesterday as Mangioni was taken
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Speaker 1: into court, screaming and baring his teeth, his lawyer having
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Speaker 1: to quiet him in court. What happened?
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Speaker 5: I think this is the first time that we've seen
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Speaker 5: any real emotion from Mangioni. Right, he has been calm
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Speaker 5: his first arrest. He was shown without emotion in all
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Speaker 5: of his mugshots, his pictures. He seems very emotion less.
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Speaker 5: So this is very telling his reaction. You see it
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Speaker 5: there on the screen. He's angry, he's scowling, and he's
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Speaker 5: sending a message out to apparently the journalists that are
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Speaker 5: behind something to the effect of it being completely unjust,
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Speaker 5: of this being a lived experience, of this being an
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Speaker 5: insult to the intelligence of the American people. And it's
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Speaker 5: telling in the fact that he is very victied in
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Speaker 5: his beliefs. He's very passionate about what he believes in.
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Speaker 5: And we see that you said the mask slipped in
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Speaker 5: the courtroom and he was attempting to tell his attorney
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Speaker 5: something really insignificant about him purchasing the mask. So it
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Speaker 5: also tells us that he's focused on these tiny, little
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Speaker 5: insignificant things such as whether the charity bag was a
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Speaker 5: waterproof where the eight thousand dollars was planted in his
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Speaker 5: first court hearing, and he's not really focused.
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Speaker 6: On the gravity of the situation of what's going on.
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Speaker 1: Could you slow down just a moment. I want to
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Speaker 1: hear that again. You got to me drinking out of
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Speaker 1: the fire hydright here. That's a lot of information I
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Speaker 1: want everybody to hear what you just said, what he
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Speaker 1: was saying in court, and I've got some video for him,
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Speaker 1: going to show you just a moment, Christina, but repeat
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Speaker 1: well in that first court.
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Speaker 5: Here, and he was focused on insignificant things. He was
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Speaker 5: focused on that farity bag and wanting to clarify that
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Speaker 5: it was a waterproof bag instead. He's also focused on
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Speaker 5: the eight thousand dollars that police found on him in cash,
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Speaker 5: saying that it was planted there. And he's not really
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Speaker 5: fling on the main issue at hand, which is he's
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Speaker 5: staring down the barrel of a murdered to charge. This
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Speaker 5: is a heavy situation. This is a heavy charge. And
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Speaker 5: then he's shouting his messages. The first sign of emotion
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Speaker 5: that we see, and he's showing us that he's very
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Speaker 5: convicted in his beliefs. He's very passionate. That's the only
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Speaker 5: sign of emotion that we saw. And then in the extradition,
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Speaker 5: hearing again something super insignificant, whether or not he purchased
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Speaker 5: the blue mask that he was wearing.
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Speaker 1: Let's take a look at Luigi Mangioni.
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Speaker 7: He experience.
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Speaker 1: Lived experience that from our friends at Des Moines Register.
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Speaker 7: Listen when Luigi Mangoni arrives for his extradition. Hearing he's agitated,
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Speaker 7: physically struggling with deputies and shouting at gathered media in court.
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Speaker 7: He is surrounded by six Blair County deputies to prevent
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Speaker 7: any more physical or verbal outbursts. As Mangione he is
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Speaker 7: leaving the courthouse, he seems under control, calm and silent
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Speaker 7: as he leaves the courthouse headed back to jail.
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Speaker 1: We shows you a tiny bit of MANGIONI blowing up,
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Speaker 1: screaming at everyone, staying that law enforcement, the police are
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Speaker 1: quote completely out of touch, that it's quote an insult
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Speaker 1: to the intelligence of the American people and lived experience.
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Speaker 1: I find it really interesting. I'm gonna have to go
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Speaker 1: to a shrinking just a moment. Doctor Bethany Marshall joining us.
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Speaker 1: He is focusing on clarifying that there is a waterproof
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Speaker 1: bag and that the money about ten grand plus and
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Speaker 1: foreign currency was planted, like the beat cop in Altoona
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Speaker 1: had some foreign currency on him to plant. Okay, whatever,
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Speaker 1: but I want you to see this in full. It's
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Speaker 1: a long version of what we just played you as
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Speaker 1: an insult people experienced straight out to longtime colleague forensic
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Speaker 1: expert by the way from our friends at Des Moines Register.
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Speaker 1: Thank you for that. Cheryl McCollums joining me, forensic expert
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Speaker 1: and founder of the Cold Case Research Institute, star of
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Speaker 1: Zone seven podcast. Cheryl, thank you for being with us.
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Speaker 1: You know what I'm looking at. What me and GEONI
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Speaker 1: is saying, the so called Ivy League assassin reminds me
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Speaker 1: of somebody you and I know very well. I was
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Speaker 1: at the Olympic bombing. You worked on the Olympic bombing
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Speaker 1: along with me, Eric Rudolph then setting off other bombs
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Speaker 1: in tandem. He thought he was in the right too.
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Speaker 1: And then of course we've got Ted Kazinski, we've got
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Speaker 1: Timothy McVeigh. All of them think they're the good guy.
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Speaker 1: And we heard it from his own mouth, just saying,
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Speaker 1: and I'm going to go to guy Deandrey in just
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Speaker 1: a moment. But that cannot be suppressed in court. Nobody
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Speaker 1: made him blurt that out. That can be played over
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Speaker 1: and over and over on a loop when this finally
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Speaker 1: makes it to a jury. But first to you, Cheryl McCollum,
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Speaker 1: sound familiar.
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Speaker 8: Sounds familiar, And you and I talked yesterday about the
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Speaker 8: importance of messages with this young man. What we are
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Speaker 8: seeing with this alleged killer is he cannot help himself.
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Speaker 8: He has got to tell his side. He already has
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Speaker 8: a lawyer.
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Speaker 1: You know.
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Speaker 9: The first thing that man said to him was don't
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Speaker 9: say a word. He can't help it. The outburst will continue.
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Speaker 9: I believe that he's going to start sending letters to
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Speaker 9: people from his cell. He has to get his message
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Speaker 9: out period.
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Speaker 1: The reason that we are talking about bombers is because
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Speaker 1: in the to do list, the so called evil to
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Speaker 1: do list, there is evid he planned to bomb Manhattan.
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Speaker 1: Not only did I work the Eric Rudolph Olympic bombing
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Speaker 1: the night of the bomb and there on, I happened
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Speaker 1: to be in Manhattan on nine eleven, as if the
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Speaker 1: city could take another event. But listen.
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Speaker 7: Luigi Mangoni has a two hundred and sixty two word
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Speaker 7: handwritten manifesto on him when he's arrested, and in it
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Speaker 7: he mentioned a spiral notebook. CNN is reporting that in
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Speaker 7: the spiral notebook, Mangoni was keeping a to do list
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Speaker 7: leading up to the murder of CEO Brian Thompson. He's
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Speaker 7: thinking about using a bomb to kill Thompson instead of
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Speaker 7: shooting him in public. Mangoni allegedly decides against bombing the
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Speaker 7: building because it could kill innocence and decides to shoot Thompson.
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Speaker 1: Straight out to death. Investigator Professor of Forensics, Jacksonville State University,
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Speaker 1: where there is an incredible criminal justice program, author of
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Speaker 1: Blood Beneath My Feet on Amazon and star of Body
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Speaker 1: Bags with Joseph Scott Moore to Joe Scott, the thought
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Speaker 1: of what a bomb could do. You know this when
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Speaker 1: Rudolph's other bombs went off at the abortion clinic, My
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Speaker 1: investigator was there and I was hit with shrapnel. The
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Speaker 1: body count as a result of a bomb is immense.
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Speaker 1: Could you just before we get into the mind of
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Speaker 1: an alleged killer, the so called Ivy Grad assassin, before
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Speaker 1: we go kick around in his mind, can you just
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Speaker 1: describe what happens with a bomb, a homemade bomb. Now
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Speaker 1: you've got McVeigh who used fertilizer, but there are killing
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Speaker 1: children in the nursery at the Murrah building. But you
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Speaker 1: also have the typical kind of bomb a homemade terrorist
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Speaker 1: would use, using shrapnel. What does that do to the victims?
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Speaker 1: Joe Scott, Well, in.
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Speaker 10: The approximating area where the concentric carrier where the bomb
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Speaker 10: goes off. Those bits of shrapnel as you refer to them,
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Speaker 10: those are bits of In the case of the Olympic
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Speaker 10: Park bombing, which I was part of that investigation as well.
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Speaker 10: With the me he had all manner of things that
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Speaker 10: were in there that created shrapnel and they become projectiles
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Speaker 10: as that blast out concentrically from that area. So you've
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Speaker 10: got bits of concrete, perhaps you've got bits of woodscrews, nails,
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Speaker 10: anything that can become a projectile. It's very non specific,
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Speaker 10: but what it is meant to do is actually become
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Speaker 10: a weapon of terrorism because you have people that are wounded.
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Speaker 10: There's still people walking around today, Nancy bearing the scars
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Speaker 10: from that night back in nineteen ninety six from the
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Speaker 10: Olympic bombing. You take that and you traumatize another place
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Speaker 10: like Manhattan, which has already seen certainly it's fair share,
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Speaker 10: and you can drive a location into total paranoia by
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Speaker 10: doing this. And this guy's I think at his heart
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Speaker 10: he's a selfie anarchist more than likely, you know, I
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Speaker 10: guess that's just part of his what do you call it,
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Speaker 10: his lived experience, which is nothing more than a bunch
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Speaker 10: of psychobabble nonsense. I guess the real thing that we're
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Speaker 10: going to hear about now is he's going to speak
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Speaker 10: his own truths into power, some kind of nonsense like that.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, he had a rough Joe's got up there on
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Speaker 1: the fortieth floor of Honlulu high Rise looking out at
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Speaker 1: the sunrise and the sunset before he went surfing every day. Okay,
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Speaker 1: but that said, guys, we are getting information also of
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Speaker 1: reports of a fingerprint match to Mangione from the scene.
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Speaker 1: Had to be from a bar or candy wrapper, or
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Speaker 1: the cell phone that was left behind, or the water
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Speaker 1: bottle he left behind a lot. But we're understanding there
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Speaker 1: was a fingerprint match to Mangione from the scene where
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Speaker 1: there are other items left of the scene. Was that
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Speaker 1: somehow nearby on a fixed object such as a parking meter.
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Speaker 1: I don't know, but a match from the scene, and
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Speaker 1: will report as we hear more. Straight out to doctor
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Speaker 1: Bethany Marshall joining us, high profile psychoanalyst out of LA
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Speaker 1: author of deal Breaker. You can see her on Peacock now.
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Speaker 1: Doctor Bethany, thank you for being with us. When I
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Speaker 1: was listening to Joe Scott talking. We've got so much
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Speaker 1: to cover. So far, this is all I've got of
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Speaker 1: the manifesto, but I understand other sources have it in full,
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Speaker 1: and I'm very curious why the whole thing has not
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Speaker 1: been released. That said, when you think about the mind
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Speaker 1: of a would be bomber and the vast damage that
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Speaker 1: can be done, it's a unique criminal that plans to bomb.
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Speaker 1: And I'd like first of all to hear what you
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Speaker 1: make of his appearance in court.
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Speaker 6: Well, what I see is this leaning over and trying
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Speaker 6: to quibble with his attorney means that he's concentrating on
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Speaker 6: the bits and pieces, but he cannot see the big
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Speaker 6: picture of what he's done and where he's going that
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Speaker 6: he'll probably spend the rest of his life in jail.
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Speaker 6: You know the way he's screaming in front of the courthouse,
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Speaker 6: he actually sounds organized psychologically. He doesn't sound disorganized, so
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Speaker 6: that would rule out mental illness. When he says it's
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Speaker 6: a lived experience, I think he's trying to say that
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Speaker 6: he personally.
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Speaker 1: Do you just say a lived experience? What are you
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Speaker 1: talking about? Did you get that from him?
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Speaker 6: He's trying to claim that this personally happened to him.
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Speaker 6: He's not making it up. He's not fabricating. It was
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Speaker 6: a lived experience for him.
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Speaker 1: This guy.
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Speaker 6: You know what impresses me, Nancy, is that when somebody
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Speaker 6: is having a mental health episode, they're not organized psychologically.
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Speaker 6: This guy is extremely organized in how he planned executed
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Speaker 6: the crime. What he's said in front of the courthouse.
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Speaker 6: He has thought this out. The idea that he ruled
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Speaker 6: out bombing people because it would kill innocence. That shows
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Speaker 6: a capacity for problem solving. So I'm going to say
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Speaker 6: this guy is somebody who feels so wronged by society,
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Speaker 6: by the healthcare companies. I think even when he was
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Speaker 6: complaining to the friend that he couldn't have sex because
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Speaker 6: of his back, I think he was just whining and complaining.
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Speaker 6: I'm wondering if that's even true, or he just loves
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Speaker 6: talking to people in a particular way that he's always
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Speaker 6: the brunt of something bad.
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Speaker 7: Mangioni is shackled at the waist and ankles for his
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Speaker 7: court appearance. At one point, Mangoni tries toannry Jack whiles
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Speaker 7: attorney Thomas Dicky is arguing for bail, addressing the eight
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Speaker 7: thousand US dollars and two thousand dollars in foreign currency
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Speaker 7: found with Mangoni. At his arrest, Dicky turns to his client,
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Speaker 7: instructing his client, don't say a word.
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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace joining us an all star
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Speaker 1: panels straight out to you, Guy, DeAndrea veteran felony prosecutor
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Speaker 1: now civil lawyer at La fay Boucie DeAndre Reich and
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Speaker 1: Ryan Guy, thank you for being with us. You know,
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Speaker 1: I always loved it as a prosecutor when there was
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Speaker 1: an uncontrollable client in court, the defense attorney can't do
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Speaker 1: anything with them. They're prone to blurting things out that
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Speaker 1: I can use in front of a jury. And of
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Speaker 1: course it's even better if they do it in front
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Speaker 1: of a jury, because in front of a jury, you know,
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Speaker 1: think back on all of the defendants you have seen
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Speaker 1: in the past. Think about Scott Peterson, how well he
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Speaker 1: came off in front of a jury and in front
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Speaker 1: of cameras, convincing people with his demeanor alone, because of
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Speaker 1: course he never took the stand that he was innocent.
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Speaker 1: Many people thought he was handsome, not me, but mean
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Speaker 1: people did Colline Greg great golfer, wonderful job, beautiful home,
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Speaker 1: lovely wife, baby on the way, hoo why would he
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Speaker 1: do this? Well, he did, but some defendants just can't
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Speaker 1: help themselves, like this guy. What is it like to
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Speaker 1: be in court with an uncontrollable client? Guy?
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Speaker 11: If I'm the one representing them, not good at all.
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Speaker 11: If I'm on the other side of the aisle. Like
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Speaker 11: you said, as a prosecutor, when I was a homicide prosecutor,
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Speaker 11: it was the best because there's so many telling things,
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Speaker 11: Nancy about what they're saying. When they blurt it out,
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Speaker 11: they think they're helping themselves, when really it's the now
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Speaker 11: on the call fin typically for a defendant who's blurting
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Speaker 11: things out.
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Speaker 1: And you know, the right demeanor and the right presentation
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Speaker 1: in court can even beat a fingerprint match that we're
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Speaker 1: learning has just been made with items at the scene.
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Speaker 1: We are also hearing Christina joining me is Christina Oligo,
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Speaker 1: a news anchor Sale News Channel. Christina, thank you for
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Speaker 1: being with us. We're also hearing about his spiral notebook
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Speaker 1: that like the ghost gun that was made with a
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Speaker 1: three D printer live AMMO, including a Hall of Point bullet.
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Speaker 1: Those are devastating. I have Scott explained what that is
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Speaker 1: in a moment and so much more. He kept with
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Speaker 1: him a spiral notebook to be found by law enforcement.
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Speaker 1: What was in the notebook that we know so far, Christina, Well,
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Speaker 1: I think that.
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Speaker 5: Spiral notebook is going to be even more devastating because
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Speaker 5: if he is the author of what was written in
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Speaker 5: that spiral notebook, it talks about killing the CEO. One
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Speaker 5: of the specific lines from that notebook is when he
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Speaker 5: talks about killing an executive, he says, what do you do?
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Speaker 5: You whack the CEO at the annual parasitic bean counter convention.
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Speaker 5: It's targeted, precise and doesn't risk innocence. So if this
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Speaker 5: is indeed his if this is indeed his writings, I'm
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Speaker 5: sure there are many more passages there that are going
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Speaker 5: to implicate him and being guilty of this crime, because
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Speaker 5: he seems to be according to his outburst, according to
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Speaker 5: the way he can't be quite important. He wants this
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Speaker 5: message to get out, So he probably chroniclized every thought
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Speaker 5: that he had, every step that he allegedly made leading
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Speaker 5: up to the assassination of Brian Thompson, and that is
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Speaker 5: going to be used against him, obviously, and like you said, devastating,
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Speaker 5: this might be, I mean, essentially one of the biggest
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Speaker 5: smoking guns in the entire case in convicting Luigi MAGGIONI, ight.
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Speaker 1: To Guy DeAndrea, a veteran former felony prosecutor. Guy, can
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Speaker 1: we just parse those words? Listen to this? I mean,
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Speaker 1: what the defense attorney who seems very convincing and genuine
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Speaker 1: by the way, I mean, he has a really good demeanor,
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Speaker 1: kind of a homespun demean I'm gonna show him to
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Speaker 1: you in just a moment. But guy, listen to this.
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Speaker 1: The words exactly out of Mangioni's spiral notebook, and we're
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Speaker 1: going to be able to prove that with DNA on
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Speaker 1: the page's fingerprints on the pages writing comparison, plus he
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Speaker 1: had it in his backpack. Okay, listen to this, guy,
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Speaker 1: what do you do you whack the CEO at the
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Speaker 1: annual Parasitic Bean counter Convention. It's targeted, precise and doesn't
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Speaker 1: risk innocence. That's just one of the passages in the notebook.
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Speaker 6: Guy, what do you do with that as a as
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Speaker 6: a defense attorney or as a prosecutor?
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Speaker 11: Because as a prosecutor, it's amazing because it shows any
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Speaker 11: defense in terms of mental health issues, which I don't
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Speaker 11: believe exists at all when based on all of his
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Speaker 11: actions and his statements, he is sort of setting out
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Speaker 11: this this perverse social justice warrior, right disgusting in this
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Speaker 11: notebook that he doesn't want to hurt innocence. He just
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Speaker 11: wants to hurt CEOs at insurance companies, almost like a nullification.
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Speaker 11: He's almost building this out from the beginning. And so
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Speaker 11: as a defense attorney, I don't know what her task
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Speaker 11: they would have to do to get that suppressed, but
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Speaker 11: I don't see any way in which they'd actually be
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Speaker 11: able to do that under the law.
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Speaker 1: Let me throw a technical legal term at you, guy, DeAndrea,
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Speaker 1: You're screwed as the defense attorney in this case because
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Speaker 1: that spiral notebook, and we haven't heard the whole thing yet,
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Speaker 1: and we haven't heard the whole manifesto yet. You know,
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Speaker 1: Tom Ruskin joining me very critical today, former NYPD detective investigator,
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Speaker 1: now private investigator, President CMP Protective and Investigative Group, Inc.
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Speaker 1: Tom Ruskin, thank you for being with us. You know
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Speaker 1: Central Park, in this area where the execution went down.
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Speaker 1: You'd think a to do list would be gravy right
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Speaker 1: on top of your meat and potatoes. But remember Robert Blake,
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Speaker 1: who absolutely masterminded the murder of his then wife, Bonnie
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Speaker 1: Lee Bakley. They had a horrendous to do list by shovels,
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Speaker 1: get lime to get rid of the smell get rope,
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Speaker 1: and they still lost the case. Blake was acquitted. So
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Speaker 1: even a to do list doesn't always do the trick.
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Speaker 12: I think when we really haven't discussed here today and
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Speaker 12: as it happens, I'm very familiar with this area because
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Speaker 12: it was my first area of patrol that happened to
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Speaker 12: be my sector where the Hilton is. I know that
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Speaker 12: he ran through the alley between the zig Field and
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Speaker 12: across from the Hilton. He did a lot of pre
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Speaker 12: planning here. Not only did he know or find out
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Speaker 12: where this where Peterson was staying and where he was
21:38
Speaker 12: going to walk, but he also had a lot of
21:42
Speaker 12: weapons training. Because the way you see him take the stand,
21:47
Speaker 12: the way you see him when the gun jams, the
21:50
Speaker 12: ghost gun jams, he clears. It is not something that
21:54
Speaker 12: you do on the spur of the moment. He We
21:57
Speaker 12: will find out that he went TOES or that he
22:01
Speaker 12: spired this gun. He got the gun to be a
22:04
Speaker 12: functioning ghost gun with a silencer, and I think that's
22:08
Speaker 12: going to be very important for the prosecution to show
22:13
Speaker 12: the level of pre thought and premeditation in this matter.
22:18
Speaker 12: Not to mention he was very careful in the way
22:21
Speaker 12: he left. He had a root as I said. He
22:25
Speaker 12: ran through the zig Field lot there to the city Bikes, the.
22:28
Speaker 1: Zig Field Theater right.
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Speaker 12: The Zigfields Theater and alley way that's between them between
22:35
Speaker 12: the Zigfield Theater right in the back of where Chercho
22:38
Speaker 12: used to be, and then ran to the city bike thing.
22:42
Speaker 12: I think he also pre planned to lay down that
22:46
Speaker 12: backpack at Central Park with the monopoly money. He knew
22:49
Speaker 12: he was not going back to the hostel and fled
22:53
Speaker 12: the city on the on the bus in Upper Manhattan.
22:56
Speaker 12: He also didn't go back to the same bus terminal
22:59
Speaker 12: he came in and didn't take the same root out
23:02
Speaker 12: of town. This is all premeditated that will come out
23:05
Speaker 12: in time and will show his level of thought premeditation
23:11
Speaker 12: for whatever his manifesto.
23:13
Speaker 1: Was, A man is dead, gun down, shot in the back,
23:18
Speaker 1: the father of two boys. But for some reason at
23:23
Speaker 1: this hour, the alleged shooter of the so called Ivy
23:27
Speaker 1: League Grad assassin is being glorified and the witnesses and
23:34
Speaker 1: the police law enforcement on the case are being vilified.
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Speaker 7: Listen three McDonald's and Altoona, Pennsylvania are getting hammered online
23:43
Speaker 7: by one star reviews and very derogatory comments after a
23:47
Speaker 7: call from a restaurant led to the arrest of the
23:49
Speaker 7: suspect in Brian Thompson's murder. One post reads more like narcdonald's.
23:54
Speaker 7: I hope obesity and heart disease are in network in PA.
23:57
Speaker 7: Denied defend a post diarrhea at mcdone donald's. Another says,
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Speaker 7: written by poster Jordan A, this location has rats in
24:05
Speaker 7: the kitchen that will make you sick and your insurance
24:08
Speaker 7: isn't going to cover it. Yet. Another Google user writes
24:11
Speaker 7: service was terrible. Rats everywhere. The word rat, which can
24:15
Speaker 7: also be used to reference a snitch, is common among
24:18
Speaker 7: the posts.
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Speaker 1: Straight to You, Dave Mack joining me Crime Online dot
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Speaker 1: Com investigative reporter, there are no rats, actual rodents in McDonald's.
24:27
Speaker 1: The witnesses, the elderly patrons spotted the alleged killer, and
24:32
Speaker 1: the employee that called police. That's who they're referring to.
24:37
Speaker 1: They're talking about them, calling them rats.
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Speaker 7: This is a shocking development, Nancy that for some reason
24:44
Speaker 7: there's a whole generation of people that are seeing this
24:48
Speaker 7: guy's side of whatever is site, you know, whatever's going
24:52
Speaker 7: on in the world today. They're favoring this guy and
24:55
Speaker 7: calling the people who actually do the right thing the rat.
24:58
Speaker 1: You know. Tom Ruskin joining me, former NYPD detective investigator,
25:02
Speaker 1: now PI and president of c MP Protective Investigating Investigation Group. Tom,
25:10
Speaker 1: do you remember when OJ Simpson Orenthal James Simpson was
25:15
Speaker 1: driving on his low speed chase holding himself hostage.
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Speaker 12: Yes, and all the banners hanging from bridges and people
25:31
Speaker 12: holding up signs go OJ.
25:34
Speaker 1: Did they not see the crime scene photos of Nicole
25:38
Speaker 1: Brown with her head practically chopped off, only hanging on
25:43
Speaker 1: to her body with a little bit of skin at
25:46
Speaker 1: the back. Did they not see those pictures of her
25:50
Speaker 1: that emerged in the courtroom with her face blown up
25:53
Speaker 1: like an eggplant, beaten and battered by O. J. Simpson?
25:59
Speaker 1: And they're going free OJ? Really right?
26:03
Speaker 12: And let's not forget Daniel Goldvin and how brutally he
26:08
Speaker 12: was attacked as well in just leaving Nicole's house that night.
26:13
Speaker 12: People see from a law enforcement standpoint, people see sometimes
26:18
Speaker 12: these type of people who are taking in their mind
26:23
Speaker 12: a crazy, crazy stand against the healthcare system in his case,
26:29
Speaker 12: that's not very well liked by a lot of people
26:32
Speaker 12: in this country. That's not justification for shooting someone. It's
26:37
Speaker 12: justification for changing laws and making consumer rights better. But
26:43
Speaker 12: this guy will be seen in certain circles around our
26:46
Speaker 12: country as a hero. And the cops planting eight thousand dollars.
26:52
Speaker 12: Most cops don't have eight thousand dollars in their savings account.
26:55
Speaker 12: And you know the great work that the NYPD did
27:00
Speaker 12: it together tracking his moves, being able to find the
27:04
Speaker 12: wrapper that he ate of that health bar, the water,
27:10
Speaker 12: the water bottle, and the bullet casings, which I believe
27:15
Speaker 12: one of those items are the ones that will tie
27:18
Speaker 12: to the print. Now that we have the suspect.
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Speaker 7: Some social media users are using the murder of United
27:24
Speaker 7: Healthcare CEO Brian Thompson to make a statement by urging
27:27
Speaker 7: potential jurors in a future trial of Luigi Mangoni to
27:31
Speaker 7: acquit the alleged murderer even if they think he's guilty.
27:35
Speaker 7: These so called gen z influencers are urging other social
27:38
Speaker 7: media users to become familiar with jury nullification. This is
27:42
Speaker 7: when a jury returns a not guilty verdict, even when
27:45
Speaker 7: they believe the person is guilty.
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Speaker 1: Have they lost their minds? Already online a vast community
27:54
Speaker 1: urging a future jury to acquit the so called Ivy
27:58
Speaker 1: League grat assassin. Well, you know, it's not just that
28:03
Speaker 1: you've got to hear niam h in iamh on TikTok.
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Speaker 1: Listen to this woman, to the people who are going.
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Speaker 13: To end up on that jury for that guy who
28:14
Speaker 13: shut the CEO. They have econom yet, Just remember that
28:17
Speaker 13: if all they have is circumstantial evidence and eyewitness reports,
28:21
Speaker 13: you don't have to make that man guilty. Research shows
28:24
Speaker 13: that eyewitness reports are the least reliable evidence in a courtroom.
28:29
Speaker 13: You can make people believe they saw something that they didn't,
28:32
Speaker 13: and you can make people think that they didn't see
28:35
Speaker 13: something that they did.
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Speaker 2: You don't even need to bring up during qualification.
28:38
Speaker 13: All you have to do is ask your fellow jury
28:41
Speaker 13: members whether or not they remember the guy who served
28:43
Speaker 13: them coffee two weeks ago. And if they can't give
28:45
Speaker 13: you a good description, just say, how do we know
28:48
Speaker 13: that they're given us a good description? Especially since this
28:50
Speaker 13: van was covered head to doe.
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Speaker 1: We don't even know if it's a man.
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Speaker 13: How would we know, let that man go free.
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Speaker 1: Well, okay, now I've heard it all. I thought I
29:01
Speaker 1: had already heard it all, but now I have heard
29:03
Speaker 1: it all. That from Niam H on tik talk straight
29:09
Speaker 1: out to Guy DeAndrea joining us. Former felony prosecutor now
29:14
Speaker 1: civil attorney. Guy. She's talking about jury nullification, which is
29:17
Speaker 1: what happened in the oj Simpson case. The jury said
29:21
Speaker 1: not guilty because they were mad at some a few
29:26
Speaker 1: select members of the LAPD.
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Speaker 11: Absolutely, Joel jury nullification is a real thing, and the
29:33
Speaker 11: prosecutors in this case, if it goes to trial, must
29:37
Speaker 11: make sure they have the right type of juror. And
29:39
Speaker 11: this woman who was just talking about, how do you
29:43
Speaker 11: remember the person who served you coffee two weeks ago?
29:46
Speaker 11: It's so ridiculous and simplistic in its fall process. It's
29:50
Speaker 11: not about if you remember someone a barrista who served
29:53
Speaker 11: you coffee in the crowded coffee house.
29:55
Speaker 1: It's did you.
29:56
Speaker 11: See someone in a horrific event can kill someone. Those
30:01
Speaker 11: two events are starkly different, and you don't need to
30:04
Speaker 11: worry about eyewitness identification here. The physical evidence that we
30:09
Speaker 11: were already learning about that was found on his person is.
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Speaker 1: Overwhelming also he was not covered head to toe niam H.
30:19
Speaker 1: He took his mask down to eat in McDonald's in
30:24
Speaker 1: a corner seat and that is when elderly patrons observed him.
30:29
Speaker 1: There you go, he's not covered. And how do you
30:32
Speaker 1: explain the kinky dink, the coincidence that he happened to
30:36
Speaker 1: have a ghost gun, a manifesto, a spiral notebook and
30:41
Speaker 1: a loose round which was a hall of point bullet.
30:44
Speaker 1: Joe Scott Morgan, very quickly before I forget about it,
30:46
Speaker 1: explain what a hall of point bullet does when it
30:49
Speaker 1: lodges in your stomach.
30:50
Speaker 10: Yeah, I've actually got one right here. If you can
30:53
Speaker 10: look down the long axis as that the whole and
30:55
Speaker 10: this is a non millimeter. What happens is is that
30:58
Speaker 10: upon striking the target a nine millimeter for instance, it's
31:03
Speaker 10: going to expand out almost twice the size. So what
31:07
Speaker 10: you're looking for this to do is to do maximum
31:12
Speaker 10: damage that it possibly can. As the little wings expand
31:16
Speaker 10: into and it's going to cavitate through that area, It'll
31:19
Speaker 10: rip through various vessels, organ systems, this sort of thing,
31:22
Speaker 10: and it's almost to guarantee that the individual there's a
31:25
Speaker 10: higher probability of the individual is going to wind up
31:27
Speaker 10: fatally wounded.
31:36
Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace Dave Mac joining me from
31:43
Speaker 1: Crime online dot Com investigative reporter were talking earlier, Dave
31:48
Speaker 1: Mac about banners hung from bridges when Simpson was holding
31:53
Speaker 1: himself hostage and the infamous jeep chase, So the same thing.
31:59
Speaker 1: It's like history repeating itself. It's happening here.
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Speaker 7: Even a little bit worse. Nancy, we know that Louis
32:05
Speaker 7: gi Mangoni was the valedictorian at the exclusive Gilman School
32:09
Speaker 7: for Boys in Baltimore, well less than twenty four hours
32:12
Speaker 7: after the guy is arrested and charged over Interstate eighty
32:17
Speaker 7: three southbound lanes in Baltimore, a huge banner that says denied, Defend, Depose,
32:25
Speaker 7: free healthcare for all. I'm thinking about how the family
32:30
Speaker 7: and loved ones of Brian Thompson are feeling when this
32:35
Speaker 7: is the kind of support for the murderer, alleged murderer.
32:38
Speaker 1: And believe it or not, an on air anchor caught
32:42
Speaker 1: gawking salivating at a shirtless photo as she said of
32:49
Speaker 1: attractive Luigi Mangoni and his fourteen pack, stating quote he
32:55
Speaker 1: clearly went to the gym, even demanding that the control
33:01
Speaker 1: room take down the banner so she could see MANGIONI
33:07
Speaker 1: in full I guess without a shirt to you, just
33:11
Speaker 1: Scott Morgan, you were amazed about an article you read
33:16
Speaker 1: demanding that Kim Kardashian come to the defense of Mangione.
33:21
Speaker 1: What did you do?
33:22
Speaker 10: Yeah, I was, yeah, yeah. Actually, you know our friends
33:24
Speaker 10: at Daily Mail, you know, I opened them up generally
33:27
Speaker 10: every morning, you know, to take a look to see
33:29
Speaker 10: what's going on. And there was in big headlines saying
33:32
Speaker 10: that individuals are actually soliciting Kim Kardashian today to ask
33:38
Speaker 10: her for money. So for this anti capitalist individual who
33:43
Speaker 10: comes with a silver spoon, fully equipped, already packaged, they're
33:47
Speaker 10: asking a billionaire to swoop in to his assistance to
33:51
Speaker 10: provide monies going forward in order, I guess to put
33:55
Speaker 10: up a defense for this guy. That there's no end
33:57
Speaker 10: to this. Nancy, It's absolute, absolutely mind blowing you.
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Speaker 1: Now, I'm very taken aback by the public support of
34:07
Speaker 1: an alleged assassin. Cheryl McCollum. We can amass all the
34:11
Speaker 1: forensic evenance we want, apparently now fingerprints tying him. You
34:15
Speaker 1: cannot beat a fingerprint unless you've got DNA and expect
34:19
Speaker 1: they're going to have DNA matching him to a water
34:21
Speaker 1: bottle there at the scene. If you have a groundswell
34:26
Speaker 1: for vigilante justice, Nancy, I believe that is why these
34:31
Speaker 1: news organizations that have the complete manifesto have not printed it.
34:36
Speaker 8: If you remember back the zodiac, when you name certain
34:40
Speaker 8: victims and you're going to say what you're going to
34:43
Speaker 8: do to those victims, when and where and how, it's
34:47
Speaker 8: a really good idea not to make that public because
34:50
Speaker 8: of copycats and other people that might have, you know,
34:54
Speaker 8: a desire to harm someone. So I believe the manifesto
34:59
Speaker 8: includes a hit list. But I'm gonna tell you something
35:01
Speaker 8: else about these folks that are champion. We saw it
35:05
Speaker 8: in Delfa where people blamed the sister. They said that
35:08
Speaker 8: law enforcement was corrupt. They walked around the courthouse saying free.
35:13
Speaker 1: They attacked you and I for being at the I
35:18
Speaker 1: don't know why, being in the in the courtroom and
35:21
Speaker 1: stating we believe Richard Allen was the killer. They went haywire.
35:26
Speaker 8: You're talking about a group of people that think Robin
35:29
Speaker 8: Hood was real.
35:30
Speaker 1: You know, I was just going to bring up Robinhood
35:32
Speaker 1: to dtor Bethany Marshall, doctor Bethany Marshall's taco analyst and author,
35:36
Speaker 1: joining us out of La Bethany before you start. You
35:39
Speaker 1: do know Robin Hood was not real. It's just a movie.
35:44
Speaker 1: It's just a story. There is no Friar Tuck. That's
35:46
Speaker 1: not real. I do so here this guy, I means Jon.
35:52
Speaker 1: He's being compared to Robin Hood, who, by the way,
35:54
Speaker 1: even if he was real, never killed anybody, much less
35:56
Speaker 1: an unarmed man by shooting him in the back.
36:00
Speaker 6: And see, I think the more ideological people are, the
36:03
Speaker 6: more they have a capacity for hatred. So let's look
36:06
Speaker 6: at this through the lens of group psychology. People sometimes
36:10
Speaker 6: align themselves with very rigid belief systems as a rationalization
36:14
Speaker 6: for hurting other people. Think of Warren Jeffs of the
36:18
Speaker 6: FLDS cult. I mean, they were basically raping children and women,
36:22
Speaker 6: but they set themselves up as this very religious institution.
36:28
Speaker 6: So I think all these people who are siding with
36:31
Speaker 6: Luigi Mangioni are a group of people, and it's become
36:34
Speaker 6: a group psychology where the ideology he's spouting, the hateful ideology,
36:40
Speaker 6: is something that they identify.
36:42
Speaker 1: With legal battle going on right now, take a listen
36:46
Speaker 1: to Mangioni's defense attorney point.
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Speaker 14: Well, like I said, he's an American citizen. He's presumed innocent.
36:53
Speaker 14: Let's not forget that. That's the number one premise of
36:55
Speaker 14: our wonderful country ANYMO. That's what I want people to remember.
36:58
Speaker 14: And we have the acres.
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Speaker 1: I'm ready to do that.
37:01
Speaker 14: And that's what lawyers do and I'm proud of that.
37:03
Speaker 14: And that's like I said, we didn't get nothing. There
37:05
Speaker 14: was nothing in the courtroom.
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Speaker 1: If you were there, you saw me of Jack. I
37:08
Speaker 1: need I need to see evidence. We're titled to see that,
37:11
Speaker 1: and we need to see that. That's Thomas M. Dickey,
37:13
Speaker 1: Luigi Mangioni's lawyer. That video from our forends at KATU.
37:19
Speaker 1: This guy is a legal commentator. He was formerly in
37:22
Speaker 1: the Blair County Public Defender's office, which means he's tried
37:27
Speaker 1: a lot of cases. You can't be a prosecutor or
37:29
Speaker 1: a public defender and not try a lot of cases
37:33
Speaker 1: if you're in charge of a courtroom. To Christina Awayo
37:37
Speaker 1: joining us from the National News Salem News Channel, Christina,
37:43
Speaker 1: what happens now we know MANGIONI is fighting extradition, Yes.
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Speaker 11: We do.
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Speaker 5: Now we need to learn more, is what happens now.
37:52
Speaker 5: We need to learn more about what's in that spiral notebook.
37:54
Speaker 5: We need to learn more about the events. We need
37:56
Speaker 5: to learn more about I think we know a lot
37:58
Speaker 5: about his history and where he came from, but we
38:00
Speaker 5: need to learn what tied all of this together. And
38:02
Speaker 5: I think it all rests on when I initially heard
38:05
Speaker 5: that he was a suspect. I searched his ex page
38:08
Speaker 5: and you see this X ray of a spinal cord
38:10
Speaker 5: with pins in it, and that's essentially the lynchpin for
38:13
Speaker 5: all of this, I believe. So we need to learn
38:15
Speaker 5: more about his mentality. We need to learn more about
38:17
Speaker 5: why there is a big rush to support him. We
38:20
Speaker 5: need to learn more about why this he committed, allegedly,
38:24
Speaker 5: this crime in cold blood, so we could figure out
38:27
Speaker 5: where we go from here, because it seems as though
38:29
Speaker 5: we've lost humanity a little bit with the push. You
38:33
Speaker 5: see it all over social media, Free Him, Free bro
38:36
Speaker 5: Free Luigi. And as I was doing my research, I
38:40
Speaker 5: contacted a couple of healthcare professionals in the mental health industry.
38:43
Speaker 5: Why is there such a support for this guy, and
38:47
Speaker 5: they said, basically, people like a bad boy. They're like
38:49
Speaker 5: a bad boy with a good look, and they feel
38:51
Speaker 5: like he's taking down the big companies and the healthcare companies.
38:54
Speaker 5: It's basically a David and Goliath sort of a situation.
38:58
Speaker 5: So we need to learn more about where where his
39:00
Speaker 5: mentality is, why he allegedly did what he allegedly did,
39:04
Speaker 5: and figure out how to prevent this in the future.
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Speaker 8: Nancy, can I jump in, yes?
39:09
Speaker 1: Please do?
39:09
Speaker 8: He is a walking contradiction. This kid cannot decide, Hey,
39:14
Speaker 8: I'm rich, I come for money, but I hate people
39:17
Speaker 8: that are agreed and have too much. He's a tech genius,
39:20
Speaker 8: but he uses a spiral notebook. He has a back
39:24
Speaker 8: injury that is so severe he can't have sex, but
39:26
Speaker 8: he can run and ride bikes and you know, ride
39:29
Speaker 8: buses for five hours. He won't speak the police, yet
39:32
Speaker 8: he has an outburst in front of fifteen of them.
39:35
Speaker 8: He says in his manifesto he's not qualified to really
39:38
Speaker 8: speak on it, but he qualified enough to murder somebody. Nancy.
39:43
Speaker 8: He's a fan of the Unibomber, so I'll just quote
39:46
Speaker 8: the Unibomber. I believe in nothing that sums up dis
39:51
Speaker 8: alleged killer.
39:52
Speaker 1: Cheryl McCollum, You are so right. I do know that
39:56
Speaker 1: the Blair County District Attorney does have his price already.
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Speaker 1: Straight Listen.
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Speaker 4: The Blair County charges are still active and we intend
40:04
Speaker 4: on prosecuting them, but we also intend on cooperating with
40:09
Speaker 4: the New York City Police Department in Manhattan DIA's office.
40:12
Speaker 4: We've already indicated to them that we believe their charges
40:15
Speaker 4: take precedent and we'll do what's necessary to accommodate their prosecution.
40:20
Speaker 1: First that from our friends at Forbes, and I commend
40:23
Speaker 1: Peter Weeks. It takes you know, a big person to
40:27
Speaker 1: be humble. The charges in Manhattan are murder murder too.
40:32
Speaker 1: To be specific. The charges in Pennsylvania, where Weeks is
40:36
Speaker 1: a prosecutor, are charges connected to forgery and firearm. We
40:43
Speaker 1: are waiting for this case to be transferred to Manhattan
40:48
Speaker 1: in a court of law. This case is far from over.
40:53
Speaker 1: Prosecutors are still building their cases now. With the social
40:58
Speaker 1: media wave that is anti law enforcement, anti justice, many
41:04
Speaker 1: people may not come forward. But if you know or
41:07
Speaker 1: think you know anything about the movements of Mangione prior
41:13
Speaker 1: to and after the execution style slay of Thompson. Please
41:19
Speaker 1: dial toll free one eight hundred five seven seven tips
41:24
Speaker 1: one eight hundred five seven seven eight four seven seven.
41:27
Speaker 1: There is a sixty thousand dollars reward. We wait for
41:33
Speaker 1: justice to unfold. Nancy Grace signing off, goodbye friend,