Latest / Daily Fantasy Sports by Ship It Nation / NFL DFS Week 12 Takedown Breakdown | Winning DraftKings Lineups & Strategy Review

Transcript

NFL DFS Week 12 Takedown Breakdown | Winning DraftKings Lineups & Strategy Review · Daily Fantasy Sports by Ship It Nation

• 0:05
  Speaker 1: All system's going clear.
• 0:07
  Speaker 2: We're lifting.
• 0:36
  Speaker 1: What's up everyone? Tyler Tamberline here aka Totag and Tambo
• 0:39
  Speaker 1: back for another edition of the Takedown Breakdown here on
• 0:42
  Speaker 1: the ship at Nation YouTube station. We have a special
• 0:45
  Speaker 1: one this week. We are going to break down the
• 0:47
  Speaker 1: Milliemaker winner from yesterday. From week twelve, we'll break down
• 0:50
  Speaker 1: some of the plays, the lineups, the construction, how the
• 0:53
  Speaker 1: slate went, how it shook out with the chalk et, cetera.
• 0:55
  Speaker 1: But as you see here got Naids with me as
• 0:57
  Speaker 1: usual and special guest he goes by stat atl My man,
• 1:01
  Speaker 1: Billy did some stuff with me last year. We did
• 1:03
  Speaker 1: a Thanksgiving show last year, and this show is going
• 1:05
  Speaker 1: to feature a special Thanksgiving first look with both looking
• 1:09
  Speaker 1: at the options and talking the strategy. So Billy as
• 1:12
  Speaker 1: the special guest, I'm gonna bring you in first. My man.
• 1:14
  Speaker 1: How's it going on this fine Monday morning of a
• 1:16
  Speaker 1: holiday week for my American friends, which, as you know,
• 1:19
  Speaker 1: I'm mostly American even though I'm Canadian.
• 1:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah, man, it's it's going great. This is like my
• 1:26
  Speaker 2: favorite favorite week of the year for you know, daily
• 1:30
  Speaker 2: fantasy stuff. I think, congrats to you. I think on
• 1:35
  Speaker 2: multiple fronts one great takedown last night, but popped up
• 1:41
  Speaker 2: on my timeline like Facebook memories whatever. I mean, it
• 1:44
  Speaker 2: wasn't a Facebook thing, but I think one year right
• 1:47
  Speaker 2: with DFS Mastermind was just just came up this past week,
• 1:51
  Speaker 2: so that kind of popped up on my timeline, so
• 1:53
  Speaker 2: to man, Yeah, I certainly appreciated the project.
• 1:56
  Speaker 1: Has been a lot of fun over at Shipping Nation,
• 1:58
  Speaker 1: you know, running that through and getting tons of people
• 2:00
  Speaker 1: from across the nation and at other places, different faces
• 2:04
  Speaker 1: like you over a one week's season. We'll talk more
• 2:05
  Speaker 1: about that in a bit, but you and I did
• 2:07
  Speaker 1: do a two to four game strategy show over there,
• 2:10
  Speaker 1: so that's awesome. And then nads, you and I have
• 2:12
  Speaker 1: done some stuff with the stone and how do youse
• 2:15
  Speaker 1: sabersim and incorporate all the stuff that we do at
• 2:17
  Speaker 1: ship a Nation. So when someone like I'm Steven says
• 2:19
  Speaker 1: how can an optimizer take the information and get the
• 2:22
  Speaker 1: puzzle correct, I'm sure I'm not the only one that
• 2:24
  Speaker 1: had the right pieces, but not in the right combination.
• 2:26
  Speaker 1: That's part of it, you do. I got to get
• 2:28
  Speaker 1: the right combination. The winner Jay Bigglesworth JB. Gigglesworth actually
• 2:32
  Speaker 1: was the winner of the twenty dollars million maker did
• 2:34
  Speaker 1: get those pieces together, but we'll be able to show
• 2:36
  Speaker 1: you where you can find them. And I think the
• 2:38
  Speaker 1: key component is that, as we always say on this show,
• 2:41
  Speaker 1: your inputs are your outputs. So if you spread your
• 2:44
  Speaker 1: inputs too thin, you could have a lot of the
• 2:46
  Speaker 1: right pieces, but you may not get the right combination
• 2:49
  Speaker 1: if you're not playing enough lineups. I'm not saying that
• 2:51
  Speaker 1: you have to play more. I'm just saying if you
• 2:53
  Speaker 1: only have so many lineups, it's like somebody who play
• 2:55
  Speaker 1: single antur every week. I applaud that. I think it's great,
• 2:57
  Speaker 1: but if you don't win all the time, it's because
• 2:59
  Speaker 1: it's tough and when you only have one lineup to
• 3:01
  Speaker 1: get there with, it can make it even tougher. But Naids,
• 3:03
  Speaker 1: I'll bring you in man. How is your Week twelve
• 3:05
  Speaker 1: and any thoughts going into this holiday week? This should
• 3:08
  Speaker 1: be a fun show of breaking it all down.
• 3:10
  Speaker 3: Yeah, well got close, fairly close last night and showed on.
• 3:13
  Speaker 3: Obviously everybody can say that Week twelve main slate wasn't
• 3:17
  Speaker 3: wasn't the best again, had a lot of the right pieces,
• 3:21
  Speaker 3: but again I'm three max five max type players. So
• 3:24
  Speaker 3: it's it's really tough, right when you're kind of under
• 3:28
  Speaker 3: exposed to a game and you attacked the game certain
• 3:30
  Speaker 3: way and it didn't go your way, and that's the
• 3:32
  Speaker 3: nature of the beast, right typically you're gonna lose pretty
• 3:34
  Speaker 3: much everything you put in that week there. So overall,
• 3:38
  Speaker 3: not not the best week, but we got a big
• 3:40
  Speaker 3: one tonight, and then obviously we've got a big, big
• 3:43
  Speaker 3: slate I had coming Thursday that we're going to.
• 3:44
  Speaker 4: Talk about too, So looking forward to to breaking it
• 3:47
  Speaker 4: all down here.
• 3:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I was pricing came out first thing this morning.
• 3:51
  Speaker 1: Me and Billy were talking last nightly, how is it
• 3:52
  Speaker 1: still not out? Even fan Duel beat them to the
• 3:55
  Speaker 1: punch right there. So let's uh, let's go through this year.
• 3:59
  Speaker 1: Just give me one second on that, we'll see. One
• 4:01
  Speaker 1: thing I want to bring up first was Philly Phantom,
• 4:03
  Speaker 1: who up here said three profit of weeks in a row,
• 4:07
  Speaker 1: thanks to the nation, amazing stuff and then said still
• 4:09
  Speaker 1: rock in the stash. Yeah. I got a text from
• 4:11
  Speaker 1: Mayo this morning said million hip no no, no, that's
• 4:14
  Speaker 1: a million guaranteed prize pool. Last night that was more
• 4:17
  Speaker 1: like hashtag chop it than hashtag ship it. It was twenty
• 4:20
  Speaker 1: nine thousand, So I'm very happy, grateful, and I'll take it.
• 4:23
  Speaker 1: I have no clue how that lineup held up, because
• 4:25
  Speaker 1: when I went to bed, it was like there was
• 4:26
  Speaker 1: a Stafford version directly below it that somehow he did
• 4:30
  Speaker 1: not get any more yardage or bonuses or really anything
• 4:32
  Speaker 1: that did enough to get him over the top. So
• 4:35
  Speaker 1: very thankful for that this week. But Billy, did you
• 4:37
  Speaker 1: have anything when it comes to this question, I'll give
• 4:39
  Speaker 1: you a run at this. Obviously, you and I've talked
• 4:41
  Speaker 1: a ton of strategy in the past. What's your thoughts
• 4:43
  Speaker 1: about the right pieces? And I mean you've talked about
• 4:46
  Speaker 1: going one hundred miles an hour in your own lane,
• 4:48
  Speaker 1: But what's your thoughts on this?
• 4:50
  Speaker 2: So I guess I'll lead in by saying I lean
• 4:54
  Speaker 2: more towards Austin's than you in terms of rosters. So
• 5:01
  Speaker 2: it's different if you're playing one hundred and fifty three
• 5:03
  Speaker 2: hundred rosters, but generally on most slates, like if you're
• 5:07
  Speaker 2: playing one hundred and fifty rosters, like you're going to
• 5:11
  Speaker 2: have all the right pieces because you're playing so many players,
• 5:15
  Speaker 2: so that you know it's just it's everybody had all
• 5:18
  Speaker 2: the right pieces in their pool, you know. To me,
• 5:23
  Speaker 2: it's just you've got to be really truly willing to lose,
• 5:26
  Speaker 2: you know, if you're not playing one hundred and fifty rosters,
• 5:29
  Speaker 2: if you're playing twenty thirty rosters or less a week. Like,
• 5:33
  Speaker 2: you know, we talk about this a lot. I'm sure
• 5:35
  Speaker 2: you guys talk about it a lot behind the paywall,
• 5:37
  Speaker 2: like you've got to be willing to trim the player pool,
• 5:40
  Speaker 2: like you just can't play everybody or else, like you
• 5:43
  Speaker 2: just really have no shot of getting to the top
• 5:46
  Speaker 2: of the leaderboard.
• 5:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah, some good points there, for sure. And I think
• 5:49
  Speaker 1: it also has to be dictated by you know, what
• 5:52
  Speaker 1: your thoughts are on the slate, Like if you like
• 5:55
  Speaker 1: seven quarterbacks, it's probably not a good week for single entry,
• 5:58
  Speaker 1: and you may have to figure out what a three
• 5:59
  Speaker 1: max looks like. I can still trim that down, but
• 6:01
  Speaker 1: I'm just saying we're a five max or playing twenty
• 6:04
  Speaker 1: in the three dollars twenty max as opposed to one
• 6:06
  Speaker 1: in the fifty dollars single entry however you usually play,
• 6:09
  Speaker 1: So you should be dictating the slate based off of that.
• 6:12
  Speaker 1: I can't speak on that enough it's something we talk
• 6:13
  Speaker 1: about a ton over at Ship and Nation, you guys
• 6:16
  Speaker 1: over at one week's season, and then same within the
• 6:17
  Speaker 1: Mastermind Project, which you did talk about. So I'll bring
• 6:20
  Speaker 1: it up quickly because it has been a year. Yesterday
• 6:22
  Speaker 1: was the one year anniversary of the Mastermind Project, and
• 6:26
  Speaker 1: there'll be some changes in twenty twenty six, so I'm
• 6:29
  Speaker 1: just gonna bring it up now quickly. We've talked some
• 6:31
  Speaker 1: stuff behind the scenes on I'll get all that out
• 6:34
  Speaker 1: of the way here quickly. Just before we hop in.
• 6:35
  Speaker 1: We will be breaking down the perfect lineup as you
• 6:38
  Speaker 1: see there on the screen. We will be breaking down
• 6:40
  Speaker 1: the twenty dollars million maker with JB. Gigglesworth. But getting
• 6:43
  Speaker 1: this out of the way quickly, just so everybody knows
• 6:45
  Speaker 1: what's going on. If you go to Ship a Nation,
• 6:48
  Speaker 1: you go to more, you could see Mastermind right there.
• 6:51
  Speaker 1: I'm only leaving the one time option open until the
• 6:54
  Speaker 1: end of twenty twenty five, so anyone who has already
• 6:57
  Speaker 1: got in on the one time option, you're good forever.
• 6:59
  Speaker 1: You'll be in all the new add ons, et cetera.
• 7:01
  Speaker 1: In twenty twenty six, we've hit a sort of sort
• 7:04
  Speaker 1: of threshold where I'm very comfortable just changing it based
• 7:07
  Speaker 1: on the setup we talked about it. When you get
• 7:09
  Speaker 1: into it, you know, there's a ton of different things
• 7:11
  Speaker 1: that you get within the project. The strategy stuff like
• 7:14
  Speaker 1: Billion and I have done and NAIDS and I have done.
• 7:16
  Speaker 1: There's the learning events where we go through and talk
• 7:18
  Speaker 1: about certain sports, the case studies, the exclusive interviews with
• 7:22
  Speaker 1: all the DFS pros around the industry, the community controlled
• 7:25
  Speaker 1: content where you can help sort of come up with
• 7:27
  Speaker 1: ideas of what we're doing, a separate private discord, everything
• 7:30
  Speaker 1: that goes with that. And the pricing is very simple
• 7:33
  Speaker 1: right now. It is two ninety seven to get in
• 7:35
  Speaker 1: one time, you're done, you don't ever pay again, you
• 7:37
  Speaker 1: get everything else that comes with it, or you can
• 7:39
  Speaker 1: do a ninety nine dollars there's no extra payment, it's
• 7:41
  Speaker 1: just you get in for less upfront. But it's basically
• 7:44
  Speaker 1: going to end at the end of twenty twenty five,
• 7:47
  Speaker 1: where I've said this to people within the project and
• 7:49
  Speaker 1: they know they're still going to get everything as is,
• 7:51
  Speaker 1: but it will be pieced out. So right now, when
• 7:53
  Speaker 1: you join, you get you know, I'll show you here quickly.
• 7:57
  Speaker 1: You get both of my courses. Mind map and Mindmap two.
• 8:01
  Speaker 1: So that is the top ten topics, tips, tricks and
• 8:03
  Speaker 1: tidbits that everybody sent in and wanted to know. This
• 8:05
  Speaker 1: is a three and a half hour course. This is
• 8:07
  Speaker 1: an additional three and a half hour course breaking down
• 8:10
  Speaker 1: all the other questions that people asked about. And if
• 8:12
  Speaker 1: you go to ship at nation dot com slash Mastermind,
• 8:15
  Speaker 1: you can scroll down and click on the courses and
• 8:17
  Speaker 1: you'll be able to see everything they entail. Not going
• 8:19
  Speaker 1: to spend too much time on that now, but there
• 8:22
  Speaker 1: is two more bonuses you get if you join the
• 8:24
  Speaker 1: one time package before the end of twenty twenty five,
• 8:27
  Speaker 1: so you have a month and a few days. You
• 8:29
  Speaker 1: get the podcast only package, so you will get everything
• 8:32
  Speaker 1: else in podcast only format, so all the stuff that's
• 8:35
  Speaker 1: already on the site. You will get the podcast version
• 8:38
  Speaker 1: unlocked as well, so you can listen to it at
• 8:40
  Speaker 1: the gym, on the way home, on vacation, whatever it
• 8:43
  Speaker 1: is you want. You will get the nfl DFS Mega Course,
• 8:46
  Speaker 1: which breaks down a lot of what we're talking about
• 8:48
  Speaker 1: and includes the two to four game slate. That's by
• 8:51
  Speaker 1: the way, Billy does an hour, an hour and fifteen minutes.
• 8:53
  Speaker 1: I looked it up today that you and I spent
• 8:55
  Speaker 1: on that breaking it down. I think I have it
• 8:57
  Speaker 1: here an hour and sixteen minutes. You see on the
• 9:00
  Speaker 1: screen just for a two to four game slate. There
• 9:02
  Speaker 1: is Thanksgiving, there is Christmas, there is all the playoff slates,
• 9:06
  Speaker 1: there's everything else that goes with it. So I'll let
• 9:08
  Speaker 1: you talk on that in a minute. But that's everything
• 9:10
  Speaker 1: that you get included, and you don't have to listen
• 9:12
  Speaker 1: to me talk about it. If you go to the
• 9:14
  Speaker 1: site as well, ship a nation dot com slash Mastermind,
• 9:16
  Speaker 1: you can see the video testimonials right here, and then
• 9:19
  Speaker 1: you can click see more testimonials and it will open
• 9:22
  Speaker 1: up to over two hundred testimonials from DFS players like
• 9:26
  Speaker 1: yourself around the world that are playing DFS and the
• 9:28
  Speaker 1: interviews they've watched and things that they've learned and picked up. So, Billy,
• 9:32
  Speaker 1: you've been involved with it. We did this course together.
• 9:34
  Speaker 1: You want to add maybe two seconds on it and
• 9:36
  Speaker 1: then we'll hop into the winning lineups anything else there.
• 9:39
  Speaker 4: Yeah, No, I think you hit on it.
• 9:40
  Speaker 2: Well, it's just you know, Thanksgiving along with kind of
• 9:44
  Speaker 2: like the playoffs for NFL. It's just one of these
• 9:47
  Speaker 2: really unique animals in that you know it's a short slate,
• 9:52
  Speaker 2: but that they're staggered where you know it's you've got
• 9:56
  Speaker 2: to you know, for the playoffs, it's you know, overnight.
• 9:59
  Speaker 2: For for Thanksgiving it's you know, thirty minutes an hour.
• 10:03
  Speaker 2: But it kind of allows you to build the plane,
• 10:07
  Speaker 2: you know, as you fly type deal, because you're gaining
• 10:10
  Speaker 2: more and more information as the slate goes on. It's
• 10:13
  Speaker 2: really what makes it, you know, what separates it from
• 10:16
  Speaker 2: a regular main slate.
• 10:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I love your talk there. Like a lot of
• 10:19
  Speaker 1: people don't know how to handle the staggered starts, and
• 10:22
  Speaker 1: those can be highly advantageous. That's one of the edges
• 10:25
  Speaker 1: still left. I know people struggle with late swap, but
• 10:27
  Speaker 1: late swap when you have a staggered start, is another
• 10:30
  Speaker 1: animal and it can work really well in your favor.
• 10:32
  Speaker 1: I know we're going to talk about some of that
• 10:34
  Speaker 1: at the end of AIDS. I know you've been part
• 10:35
  Speaker 1: of Mastermind since day one. You've helped me out with
• 10:37
  Speaker 1: some stuff there as well. This course with Billy, I know,
• 10:40
  Speaker 1: made a ton of people money just last year to
• 10:42
  Speaker 1: start this thing off rolling into Thanksgiving, that people applied
• 10:45
  Speaker 1: it throughout. Do you have anything else you want to
• 10:46
  Speaker 1: add on this with the Mastermind project in general, and
• 10:48
  Speaker 1: then we'll dive right into the perfect lineup.
• 10:51
  Speaker 3: No, a lot of what we talked about on the
• 10:52
  Speaker 3: show every week, A lot of you guys in the chat,
• 10:54
  Speaker 3: I have watched this multiple weeks in a row or
• 10:57
  Speaker 3: trickle in throughout.
• 10:59
  Speaker 4: I would just say it take a step further. Right.
• 11:01
  Speaker 3: Everybody talks about how to try and teach you, right,
• 11:04
  Speaker 3: they talk it, but they don't walk the walk, right,
• 11:07
  Speaker 3: everyone across the industry, right, not bashing anyone, but everyone says, oh,
• 11:11
  Speaker 3: we teach you how to do this, this and this,
• 11:13
  Speaker 3: and that's truly not.
• 11:15
  Speaker 4: The case, right, it's just a marketing scheme to get
• 11:17
  Speaker 4: you to sign up.
• 11:19
  Speaker 3: This is truly a course that helped you and teaches
• 11:22
  Speaker 3: you the ins and outs of DFS. And again it's
• 11:25
  Speaker 3: not to say that you're gonna sign up and you're
• 11:26
  Speaker 3: gonna win millions of dollars. But there's many DFS pros
• 11:31
  Speaker 3: that have come on done interviews. There's process videos on
• 11:34
  Speaker 3: how to build a process.
• 11:35
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 11:35
  Speaker 3: Everybody tells you, oh, stick to your process, stick your process,
• 11:38
  Speaker 3: and doesn't teach you how to build a process.
• 11:40
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 11:40
  Speaker 3: So kind of takes you back to square one, right,
• 11:43
  Speaker 3: even if you're rudimentary and brand new and NFL d
• 11:45
  Speaker 3: Fast or any sport. DFS kind of gives you the
• 11:49
  Speaker 3: framework right to work as much as you want.
• 11:51
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 11:51
  Speaker 3: You can learn as much or as little as you
• 11:53
  Speaker 3: want if you sign up for it. But the value
• 11:55
  Speaker 3: there is absolutely incredible for for what you can get
• 11:58
  Speaker 3: out of it. Truly.
• 11:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah, if you're watching this show, it's definitely for you.
• 12:01
  Speaker 1: But like I said, I always say in any if
• 12:03
  Speaker 1: you're not a membership and nation yet, start there. Get
• 12:06
  Speaker 1: access to the tools we're going to show you in
• 12:08
  Speaker 1: a little bit with the Millimaker winner, how you could
• 12:10
  Speaker 1: have found that for your own stuff or get close
• 12:12
  Speaker 1: to it. I always say this two BILLI is like
• 12:14
  Speaker 1: in the single entry stuff. A lot of this show
• 12:16
  Speaker 1: is based on mme to your point of people playing
• 12:18
  Speaker 1: one hundred and fifty rosters and having multiple multiple scenarios
• 12:21
  Speaker 1: and whatnot. But you can also just adapt your play
• 12:24
  Speaker 1: to whatever fits your needs bankroll, contest selection, et cetera.
• 12:27
  Speaker 1: If you're a one lineup player, it's probably better to
• 12:30
  Speaker 1: play it in a single entry and find something that
• 12:32
  Speaker 1: suits your needs. Smaller field still has a really good
• 12:34
  Speaker 1: payout structure, et cetera, et cetera, and then you can
• 12:37
  Speaker 1: reverse engineer some of this stuff you may not, as
• 12:40
  Speaker 1: coach Savs says, it's pretty interesting. This week's Millie was
• 12:43
  Speaker 1: almost the perfect score, so you could see it on
• 12:44
  Speaker 1: the screen. You may not land on the optimal or
• 12:47
  Speaker 1: the exact lineup that would have won the twenty dollars
• 12:49
  Speaker 1: million Maker, but that's often not what it takes. I
• 12:51
  Speaker 1: think the this is just using again, you could scale
• 12:53
  Speaker 1: this up or down. I think one hundred and fifty
• 12:55
  Speaker 1: dollars three max was a two point fifty versus the
• 12:58
  Speaker 1: twenty dollars million Maker was a two versus the fully
• 13:02
  Speaker 1: capped out optimal. And I'll let you take this one first, Billy.
• 13:04
  Speaker 1: You see it there on the screen was two ninety five.
• 13:08
  Speaker 1: This is how it shook out. You had Jamis Winston
• 13:11
  Speaker 1: Robinson with Gibbs, you had Emmanuel Wilson with no Josh Jacobs.
• 13:15
  Speaker 1: You had the Jackson Smith and Jigma. The Big Game
• 13:19
  Speaker 1: sound shot out my guy Alex Blickel. That was his
• 13:20
  Speaker 1: leverage lane on the Saturday show. Over here at ship
• 13:23
  Speaker 1: in Nation. You plug in the Michael Wilson chalk who
• 13:25
  Speaker 1: made sense at forty eight hundred. Still know Marv Harrison,
• 13:28
  Speaker 1: et cetera. You get a piece of the New England
• 13:30
  Speaker 1: side with Henry, piece of the Philly game with AJ Brown,
• 13:34
  Speaker 1: and then you land on the Cardinals defense at twenty
• 13:37
  Speaker 1: seven hundred. It was fifty k flat. And we review
• 13:39
  Speaker 1: this one, Billy, obviously because it's it's the perfect lineup,
• 13:41
  Speaker 1: it's the optimal. But just to sort of work our
• 13:43
  Speaker 1: way backwards, I would say this is probably the most
• 13:47
  Speaker 1: optimal we've ever seen where it's like everybody still landed
• 13:50
  Speaker 1: on all these options. It wasn't like last week with
• 13:52
  Speaker 1: Gainwell and Sean Tucker. So give us your first thoughts here,
• 13:55
  Speaker 1: Billy on this one.
• 13:57
  Speaker 2: I mean, outside of James miss Winston, Wandel Robinson, was
• 14:03
  Speaker 2: anyone on this lineup low owned, like under ten percent owned.
• 14:09
  Speaker 2: I mean I don't even know that Wondell Robinson was
• 14:11
  Speaker 2: under ten percent own, just doesn't have ownership on it.
• 14:13
  Speaker 4: I'm just everybody else is really highly owned.
• 14:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, the chalk definitely smashed yesterday. I know that
• 14:20
  Speaker 1: was the case. I can guarantee you one thing. I'll
• 14:22
  Speaker 1: always take my l's where I need to. The the
• 14:25
  Speaker 1: four v four swapped the Chalk Corp did not work
• 14:28
  Speaker 1: because that included Gibbs Wilson and Chase Brown, and it
• 14:31
  Speaker 1: was really out of the spite of like Chase Brown
• 14:33
  Speaker 1: and Emmanuel Wilson, who we knew were great plays. But
• 14:36
  Speaker 1: it was like, is there a way that you could
• 14:37
  Speaker 1: flip it and make it so that doesn't hit And
• 14:39
  Speaker 1: if you want it to be on popular stacks, typically
• 14:42
  Speaker 1: you'll want to find ways within those builds to get
• 14:44
  Speaker 1: different a little bit, and I thought that was a
• 14:46
  Speaker 1: way to do it. I felt like Henderson had a
• 14:48
  Speaker 1: ton of opportunities. He was way ahead of the market
• 14:50
  Speaker 1: share what people had him at. I think he ended
• 14:52
  Speaker 1: up getting double digit carries up to the teens high
• 14:55
  Speaker 1: teens and just didn't get it on the one yard
• 14:57
  Speaker 1: line stuff. And that's fine, And then I think was
• 15:00
  Speaker 1: great had two could have three touchdowns for Baltimore. He
• 15:03
  Speaker 1: did still end up in some places there, and then
• 15:07
  Speaker 1: Montgomery was the one that got crushed. I think Naid's
• 15:09
  Speaker 1: that was one of the things on this slate is
• 15:11
  Speaker 1: because if you didn't find the Winston Wandale stuff, Let's say,
• 15:15
  Speaker 1: because to to Billy's point, Wondale still got to seven
• 15:19
  Speaker 1: point seven. I think in the twenty dollars, it was
• 15:21
  Speaker 1: like he was just under ten and Winston only four.
• 15:24
  Speaker 1: He was the guy that could make it all work.
• 15:25
  Speaker 1: But what they allowed you to do was to get
• 15:27
  Speaker 1: to the Gibbs and the Saint Browns of the world,
• 15:30
  Speaker 1: where many of us were content with saying, if they're
• 15:33
  Speaker 1: gonna put up thirty plus, why not Montgomery, why not
• 15:36
  Speaker 1: Jamison Williams. And then of course we'd seen Dan Campbell
• 15:39
  Speaker 1: say that he wants to get them involved, take over
• 15:41
  Speaker 1: the play calling and get Jamison Williams involved, But we
• 15:44
  Speaker 1: just didn't see those drives. Jamo hasn't own it, which
• 15:47
  Speaker 1: we always know can turn into a zero. That's what
• 15:49
  Speaker 1: happened yesterday, kind of like Romo doonesay a couple of
• 15:52
  Speaker 1: weeks ago with double zero's in his lineup in his name,
• 15:54
  Speaker 1: because that's how it goes. But nay's your thoughts.
• 15:57
  Speaker 3: Yeah, The first thing I see here is you could
• 16:00
  Speaker 3: have landed on something like this, right is you knew
• 16:03
  Speaker 3: everybody wanted to go in on that Lions game, right
• 16:06
  Speaker 3: that was the game of the week, But everybody was
• 16:09
  Speaker 3: trying to figure out how to get the golf side
• 16:12
  Speaker 3: right right and how to figure out the golf side,
• 16:14
  Speaker 3: nobody was really thinking, Okay, if the Lions are truly
• 16:17
  Speaker 3: hitting their ceiling, I get it, right, Dan campbellill run
• 16:19
  Speaker 3: up the score and all of this and all of
• 16:21
  Speaker 3: that nonsense. But at the end of the week, I
• 16:23
  Speaker 3: mean it's still second half of the season, week twelve
• 16:25
  Speaker 3: or a week yeah, week twelve with a short week, right,
• 16:28
  Speaker 3: You really truly thought he was going to really run
• 16:30
  Speaker 3: up his guys out there with a short turnaround coming
• 16:34
  Speaker 3: on Thanksgiving. And if that's the case, if those guys
• 16:37
  Speaker 3: are getting there to the ceiling that everybody thinks they
• 16:39
  Speaker 3: are because they want to play them with ownership, you
• 16:41
  Speaker 3: have to assume at least somewhere on the other side,
• 16:44
  Speaker 3: I mean, the Giants have to score somewhat and a
• 16:47
  Speaker 3: forty six hundred dollars quarterback when most are stopping at
• 16:50
  Speaker 3: Jacoby Brissett at fifty three hundred dollars. Right, That's kind
• 16:54
  Speaker 3: of how you could have landed on this and then
• 16:56
  Speaker 3: just fit it because it unlocked the ceilings of a
• 16:58
  Speaker 3: guy like JSN, like Jamior Gibbs how to play Gibbs differently,
• 17:02
  Speaker 3: which we'll talk about when we go into the stack Seeker.
• 17:04
  Speaker 3: That's how you do it right? You play the other
• 17:06
  Speaker 3: side of the chalk game that everybody wants. How many
• 17:08
  Speaker 3: times will we seen this? I know you had talked
• 17:10
  Speaker 3: about it a couple of times on the show yesterday
• 17:13
  Speaker 3: talking about the everybody's on one side of the game.
• 17:17
  Speaker 4: How come nobody wants the other quarterback at all?
• 17:19
  Speaker 3: When you know Jamis just chucks it regardless of whatever
• 17:23
  Speaker 3: the game script is. I mean, he's always done that.
• 17:25
  Speaker 3: We know that from playing Fantasy, So I think that's
• 17:27
  Speaker 3: really important. The other thing, I know, what's the other piece?
• 17:30
  Speaker 4: You want to know?
• 17:31
  Speaker 3: Everybody wanted Trey McBride, right, Well, how does Trey McBride
• 17:35
  Speaker 3: not get there? While it's because a cheaper tight end
• 17:37
  Speaker 3: like a Hunter Henry who leverages Mark Andrews at the
• 17:40
  Speaker 3: same price, leverages the spend up Trey McBride to get
• 17:42
  Speaker 3: you on a different roster construction.
• 17:44
  Speaker 4: And how does Trey McBride not get there?
• 17:46
  Speaker 3: Well, maybe it's Michael Wilson taking the touches, taking the touchdowns,
• 17:50
  Speaker 3: and then you pair it up with the defense because
• 17:52
  Speaker 3: if the game's not competitive, or if they're kind of
• 17:55
  Speaker 3: just walking the game, right, maybe they save Trey McBride
• 17:58
  Speaker 3: as well. So that's kind of some muchditional thoughts that
• 18:01
  Speaker 3: I had on this and spent more time on the
• 18:04
  Speaker 3: perfect here, because when we get to the actual winning
• 18:06
  Speaker 3: lineup of the twenty dollars, it's going to be very
• 18:08
  Speaker 3: very similar to what we see here.
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's not that far off. The way they put
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: it together was actually quite nice obviously, you know, like
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: you see, I think JB. Giggles Worth. So I didn't
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: look it up, but here's two lineups in the top
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: eight that were close. Some other names within there, but
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: I think J. B. Giggles Worth getting the win here.
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: Billy was a Jamis Robinson with Amanra and Gibbs, then
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: went with Emmanuel Wilson, did the double Philly spend with
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: DeVonta and AJ Brown, and then had Hunter Henry and
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: the Cleveland defense. So this really fits your your point
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: before and that's where I saw the seven point seven. Yeah,
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: so it was a four percent Jamis, a seven point
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: seven Robinson, and then nobody less than thirteen point three,
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: but really mostly over twenty up to thirty eight percent.
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: So it's just not who you play, it's how you
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: play them. This this definitely got the job done and
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: cleared second place by five points. Even second place was
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: a dupe. Actually, so that's interesting too. You don't often
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: see that, but when this much chock gets kind of
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: makes sense. But it was a bit different version. But
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: anything you want to add on this one, really.
• 19:13
  Speaker 2: I mean I the top half of this roster, I
• 19:17
  Speaker 2: prefer to the optimal just because I feel like this
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: is easier to land on right to me, I like
• 19:24
  Speaker 2: to make really correlated bets with like Jamir Gibbs, I'm
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: on ros Saint Brown, Wondel Robinson, James Winston. Where hey,
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: if this game goes off and I'm right with how
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: it plays out, I'm now getting four pieces right with
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: one bet.
• 19:40
  Speaker 4: It's kind of like if you look at the.
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: A roster as a nine nine digit code or crack
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: you know something you got to crack here, nine digits
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: nine odds. You know, if you can get four things
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: right with one bet, it makes it so much more
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: likely that you can get five more things right. Then
• 19:59
  Speaker 2: if you only go the skinny stack, and now you
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: got to get seven more things right versus five more things,
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: people think, oh, it's only two more things right, but
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: it's infinitely so much more difficult to get those two
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: more things right by just going a city stack versus
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: kind of leaning into a game a little bit more.
• 20:17
  Speaker 4: And you know, if you look.
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: At the game like we were expecting Detroit to score
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: four or five touchdowns, this is literally just picking the
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: two most likely players on Detroit to have big games
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: in Gibbs and Amnas Saint Brown. And then to Austin's
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: point of what makes sense on the other side, it's
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: grabbing a you know, Jameis Winston, a guy who we
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: know is going to throw the ball a ton. He's
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: got some rushing upside. He had a rushing touchdown last week.
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: Not saying you're expecting that, but he at least has
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: that in his range of outcomes, and then you're kind
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: of going with his wide receiver. One wasn't a spot
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: I was on for me. I was on Darius Slayton
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: and Theo Johnson a lot more than Mondel Robinson personally.
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: But that's just again because I play a really tight
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: player pool, so I can't cover all the outcomes.
• 21:03
  Speaker 4: But yeah, I mean this made a lot of sense.
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah, once you see it, it's always that's always the
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: common thread in the chat is like, oh, how did
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: I not land on this one. It's all part of
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: it's because you, like Billy said earlier, especially if you
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: play more lineups. A lot of these guys were at
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: least within your pool and thought processes and all that.
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: But I know Nad's you were talking about yesterday in
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: the discord and I liked it too. It's like, if
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: you had Slayton, he was a little bit cheaper to
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: allow this stuff to be more affordable, he would have fit.
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: Like again, not quite, you'd have to finagle it further elsewhere,
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: but not a lot of people are putting the two
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: Philly receivers without hurts things like that. But if you
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: could get up to jas. This is the thing about
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: this stack when people say it's unconventional of like jamis
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: with Robinson and then two Detroit it's like a two
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: to two. But it's because if you could put golf here,
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: we would, but it's expensive, so why not just get
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: the quarterback on the other side that still allows us
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: to fit those two while everyone else is punting for
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: Jamison Williams, David Montgomery, Slayton, et cetera. To force the
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: other stuff in. So that's why it always feels like
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: you're in the right place with not all the right pieces.
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: But Nads, I'll let you chime in on this one.
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: It's again pretty well set up. I know, Andrews said
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: for Slate and he said this one see aj Brown,
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: DeVonta and Hurts wasn't needed. This will be a good
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: battle for me and Alex. Just a fun one because
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: his guy JSN did crush and most certainly deserves it
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: and ended up on the optimal. But two of my
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: three ended up on the winning lineup and actually go
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: home with a million dollars? So which is it here?
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: Come on? But no, I love Alex and doing that
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: show with him. I think it's gonna be a lot
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: of fun. We've had some pretty good thoughts throughout the season,
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: So Nad's I'll kick it to you on this one.
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: Any additional thoughts on the twenty dollars million Maker winner.
• 22:39
  Speaker 4: Yeah?
• 22:40
  Speaker 3: So the first thing I did I see here is
• 22:43
  Speaker 3: Sim's projections. Everything were slamming Jamier Gibbs correlated with Jameson
• 22:48
  Speaker 3: Williams for the salary discount yesterday, and I went to
• 22:51
  Speaker 3: stack Seeker and looked at it. Almost thirteen lineups had
• 22:54
  Speaker 3: Jamiir Gibbs with Jamison Williams. That dropped all the way
• 22:57
  Speaker 3: down to almost nine thousand, So you left about four
• 23:00
  Speaker 3: to five thousand lineups in the dust just going to
• 23:03
  Speaker 3: amanas Saint Brown.
• 23:04
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 23:05
  Speaker 3: Guess who else was fifty six hundred dollars right? Or
• 23:08
  Speaker 3: fifty seven hundred dollars Jamison Williams. Well, why don't I
• 23:11
  Speaker 3: just attach Wandale Robinson to a cheap quarterback right as
• 23:16
  Speaker 3: the PPR guy and say, hey, maybe this game is
• 23:19
  Speaker 3: competitive game. If it's a competitive game, then Wandeal Robinson,
• 23:22
  Speaker 3: we know, is going to get the targets, right, he
• 23:25
  Speaker 3: is a slot guy. I know a lot of us
• 23:27
  Speaker 3: were on slate and myself included as a way to
• 23:29
  Speaker 3: kind of speed that game up and get it back
• 23:32
  Speaker 3: to Jared Goff, right, because most people wanted to play
• 23:34
  Speaker 3: the Jared Goff side. Right, But how do you think
• 23:36
  Speaker 3: about that differently and kind of reverse engineer it? Well,
• 23:39
  Speaker 3: what if this game do you don't need to speed
• 23:42
  Speaker 3: it up? What if perhaps, right, the giants are competitive
• 23:47
  Speaker 3: in this game? Right on the back of jamis right,
• 23:50
  Speaker 3: likely it's one of his receivers, And who's the most
• 23:54
  Speaker 3: likely for that to happen is Wandale Robinson. Who's not
• 23:57
  Speaker 3: just coming back off an injury as well. Darius Slayton
• 24:01
  Speaker 3: is right, so I think that's that's the number one thing.
• 24:04
  Speaker 3: And then the DeVante Smith A J. Brown combo pack.
• 24:07
  Speaker 3: I mean people can say, yeah, this is unconventional, play
• 24:12
  Speaker 3: two wide receivers without their quarterback. But I mean there's
• 24:15
  Speaker 3: a price gap here. Jalen Hurts was what the third
• 24:18
  Speaker 3: or fourth high stone or for fourth high stone or
• 24:21
  Speaker 3: highest priced? Excuse me, jamis yet Yeah, highest priced and
• 24:27
  Speaker 3: you need that salary right to unlock a different roster construction. Right,
• 24:31
  Speaker 3: attacking the Lions game, right, you're not playing golf. You're
• 24:34
  Speaker 3: not playing Jamison Williams like most people are. In a
• 24:37
  Speaker 3: setup like this, you're pairing Gibbs in a Monra and
• 24:40
  Speaker 3: just saying, hey, maybe they just soak up the entire
• 24:42
  Speaker 3: end zone and a Monro soaks up all kind of
• 24:45
  Speaker 3: the field, the catches and everything. Without Sam Laporta, right,
• 24:49
  Speaker 3: everybody forgets a Monro's target share goes to like thirty
• 24:52
  Speaker 3: six percent or thirty eight percent whatever it is without.
• 24:55
  Speaker 4: Sam Laporta on the field.
• 24:57
  Speaker 3: And just because it didn't work last week, right now,
• 25:00
  Speaker 3: people were kind of lower on him at the price
• 25:02
  Speaker 3: point compared to the other additional lines players in the setup.
• 25:07
  Speaker 4: So that's the biggest thing I see.
• 25:08
  Speaker 3: And then people were trying to figure out the Trayvon Henderson,
• 25:10
  Speaker 3: Ramondre Stevenson running running game, right. Thing, Maybe it's just
• 25:14
  Speaker 3: Hunter Henry right in the offense. I know we're joking
• 25:18
  Speaker 3: about the game log watching there for Hunter Henry, but
• 25:21
  Speaker 3: tight ends against the Bengals, I mean really anything against
• 25:24
  Speaker 3: the Bengals, but specifically tight ends against the Bengals just
• 25:27
  Speaker 3: absolutely destroy them. He's involved in this offense, and you
• 25:32
  Speaker 3: don't have to figure out the running game, right.
• 25:33
  Speaker 4: So I think that's some of the biggest things I see.
• 25:36
  Speaker 3: And then you can get away playing the chalk defense,
• 25:38
  Speaker 3: right Miles Garrett up to eighteen sex now against Gino Smith.
• 25:42
  Speaker 3: I mean, that's going to be a talking point the
• 25:43
  Speaker 3: rest of the season, is any defense facing the Raiders
• 25:46
  Speaker 3: because they literally have no offensive line. So overall, you
• 25:49
  Speaker 3: needed two pieces to be different, and it was a
• 25:52
  Speaker 3: correlated way, right.
• 25:53
  Speaker 4: It wasn't a random wide receiver, it wasn't a random thisss.
• 25:56
  Speaker 3: It was a correlated piece on how to attack the
• 25:58
  Speaker 3: most popular game different than what the field wanted to.
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and what did Jason Jameison Williams end up getting
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: to for ownership. I think we have it here twenty
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: two point six percent, So yeah, a lot of people
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: are looking to get there. That is one really good
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: point of Like people asked a lot in the Discord
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: Australia like, well, what was the pivot again? It's easier
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: when you have the answer sheet in front of you
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: to be able to tell you all easy it's Wondale Robinson.
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: But the thought process of if you know Gibbs is
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: good for a reason. There's his ownership, if you know
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: that Amon Ras just it's kind of figuring out how
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: to play them and what would that look like. This
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: was definitely a way to do so while still getting
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: other chalk pieces in there. I will ask you this though, Billy,
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: because this is something I think can be taken away
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: for future purposes, Like, yes, Wondale was the answer there
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: in this case. And if you're not playing Jamison Williams,
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: why not get to Wandale plus the dudes even around
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: Jamison Williams of DeVonta And though it's all the five
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: K guys but Jamison while using the guys that would
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: hurt Jamison Williams, even though they're just his own. But
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: let me ask you about the McBride McBride madness. If
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: you will, I'll put that name on it and coin
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: it from this week I think a lot. The funny
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: thing is there's no there's not even Michael Wilson on
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: this line up. Obviously he could have been plugged in
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: and just left the money on the table for Smith
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: for example, but we don't do that here. I'm just saying,
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: what's the thought process on a week where you have
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: the onesie position with a guy like Trey McBride, who
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: was kind of the talking point of every show, every podcast,
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: every breakdown because it was important to figure that out.
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: He was sixty eight hundred, still too cheap, great matchup,
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: you could play two tight ends, et cetera, et cetera.
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: What is your thoughts about handling that, especially for those
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: that have less lineups to play with, Like, that's important right.
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: So to me, and I think it was something you
• 27:38
  Speaker 2: guys probably talked about throughout the week over at ship
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: that like McBride, it was is still just fundamentally underpriced
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: for his role, Like going going back to a week five,
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: Week six, you know, whenever Brissette took over. Like, he's
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: third in points per game only behind CMC and Jonathan Taylor.
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: And those are guys that cost ten thousand dollars. And
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: McBride is again in a onesie position at sixty eight hundred.
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: It's his highest price of the season. But if you're
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: comparing him to other players who have put up thirty
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: plus points whatever it is, three times in the last
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: five or six weeks, all of those guys cost eight thousand,
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: nine thousand.
• 28:23
  Speaker 4: You know what I mean.
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: Like I mean, I guess George Pickens was only seven thousand,
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: but like to me, those were two of the most
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: underpriced guys on the slate. So to me, it's you
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: don't have to be different everywhere and you can just
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: jam in what are the best plays. For example, I
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: wasn't a guy I was huge on, but you know,
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: at his price, Emmanuel Wilson offered a lot of value
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: at fifty three hundred, I think I just quickly want
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: to hit on the Jamison Williams thing. I think that
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: if you're playing a little a few more lineups than
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: let's say sub ten, even if it's twenty or thirty,
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: even if it's less, I was a big proponent of
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: accounting for the Lions on every roster on yesterday, and
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: so that means that in my portfolio of rosters, I'm
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: going to have some duds because I'm going to play
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: some Jamison Williams and he got me nothing. But you
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: know what, like I'm not trying to win. I mean
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: I am, but I'm not trying to win on every
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: single roster. I'm looking at it as my portfolio and saying, Okay,
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: if it's not Jamison Williams, it means it's probably Gibbs,
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: or it's probably Aman Ross Saint Brown, and I'm going
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: to have a good exposure to them across my portfolio.
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: If I have one hundred and fifty or three hundred,
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: that exposure is obviously a lot larger. But I'm okay
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: with being wrong on Jamison Williams because it just means
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: on the other rosters, I'm probably right because for me,
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: I just didn't see a spot here with Samuel Porta
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: out with even more consolidated offense. You know, for Detroit,
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: a team I thought was gonna score four or five touchdowns,
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: They're likely coming through three players, four players max. So
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: I'm just gonna be willing to play them play at
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: least one lion on every roster, and on some rosters,
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna take a zero. I didn't think i'd take
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: a zero. I thought to be small from one of
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: these guys wasn't going to get there. To me, you
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: can't look at it and say, hey, that's bad process.
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: Like to me, that's good process that you're getting on
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: your identifying the right spots. You're being directionally accurate. To me,
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: some of the hardest things in DFS is trying to
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: identify where the touchdowns are going to go. No one
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: freaking knows like you don't. It's easy to say, hey,
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: Detroit's gonna score a lot of points, and if you're
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: playing a bunch of lineups, hey, I'm going.
• 30:36
  Speaker 4: To mix different combinations of what makes sense there. That's
• 30:40
  Speaker 4: why it's so hard.
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: It's easy to kind of say, hey, this is where
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: the points are likeliest to go, and you can look
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: at that even just by high level.
• 30:49
  Speaker 4: Of saying team totals.
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: That's not always the right way to go, but yeah,
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: you take a look at yesterday. You know the Ravens
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: had a really high team total as well. No Bateman
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: there like that's a really concentrated offense too. I didn't
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: do this, but you could easily make a rule of saying, hey,
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna play one of Lamar or Derrick Henry because
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: they're like, we're gonna score four or five touchdowns as well,
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: and I'm gonna account for that offense as well. To me,
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: that's how I personally like to play. I go for
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: the smaller player pool and I just try to be
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: directionally accurate and hoping that I get the guys with
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: the touchdowns.
• 31:27
  Speaker 4: Yeah, you hit for me.
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: Slayton in this game, or Theo Johnson would have been
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: great to have Wandale, but again, I don't play one
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: hundred two hundred lineups.
• 31:36
  Speaker 4: I can't have I can't cover every angle every week.
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and like you said so, actually THEO ended up
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: in a bunch of these two is another piece that
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: could make things work. If you had Jamis Wandale, THEO
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: with Gibbs and a Manra you kind of just fell
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: into it if you kept playing the chalk after that.
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: That's the other thing is a lot of people will
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: move off of it. But you hit on something really
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: key there and funny enough, it was a Detroit Slate
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: last year, and this was one of the videos. Speaking
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: of Mastermind one year anniversary, talked about that I did
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: this video. I came in third in the Big two
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: twenty two Blitz last year, and I only had five
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: to six lineups. I ended up having six by the
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: end of it, and you can watch me break down
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: every single one of them. And guess what I called it?
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: Portfolio management. I later coined the term portfolio manipulation, and
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: I said, it's kind of like cheating for yourself. It's
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: your portfolio. You can put whatever you want. You could
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: be cheating yourself into a zero if you are focusing
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: on the Detroit Lions and they don't have the game
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: that you want. But what I did is I have
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: every lineup has at least Gibbs, one has goff A,
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: Monroe Laporta. That's the one that ended up winning the
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: forty k. And basically it's just how I would manage
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: the portfolio of what I'm playing. And I'm saying, look,
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: Detroit's gonna score forty points today. This is what I'm
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: aiming towards. It shows how I broke it all down,
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: how I was late swap ready, and it mainly talks
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: about what people say. It's the way to set up
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: your lineups to have similar spots covered in different lineups
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: to help avoid saying I had all the right pieces
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: but in all the wrong places. That's because you stop,
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: you get Gibbs. So I had Gibbs. How many lines
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: do you have been? Well? Two of my five?
• 33:05
  Speaker 4: Okay? Good?
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: And who are the quarterbacks? Terrible quarterback and terrible quarterback?
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: That's no problem. At least you landed on Gibbs. But
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: you only had two lineups to get there in and
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: that's the end of that story. And if it hadn't
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: been Gibbs, did you have Montgomery lineups? Well, no, it
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: doesn't matter because Gibbs got there anyway. He crushed. Okay,
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: but did you have golf lineups? No, definitely not. I
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: played Gibbs. Okay, So Gibbs did crush yesterday, and you
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: were correct on a fifty eight point guy at thirty
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: percent or thirty five. It doesn't matter his ownership, I
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: guess to say it, though, what happens when he has
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: the bad day? You say, well, I had Gibbs because
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: I thought he was gonna crush and they were going
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: to score forty points, but then they do score forty points.
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: And you didn't need Gibbs in this example. And you
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: didn't have any golf, you didn't have any Laporter, you
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: didn't not yesterday he's injured, but you didn't have any
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: a Manra, you didn't have any Williams, you didn't have
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: any Montgomerys. You should be covering yourself because I loved
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: how Billy said that he's not gonna be what he
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: he's like. He's not gonna be able to win with
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: every lineup. He builds every lineup with the capability of winning.
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: But they're springboarding off of each other almost in a
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: way where if this one doesn't win, that might clear
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: the way for these two over here now that are
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: really in good shape. Those become my rooting interest. Okay,
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: now so and so gets injured, Well slide that one
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: under the rug. This is the go to piece, and
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: that's what's fun about Thanksgiving and so. Probably a good segue,
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: but we're gonna get to that in a second. Anything else, Billy,
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: you want to add on that. I just thought that
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: was a good way to get into it, because I
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: think it's important to remember this type of stuff before
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: we go to the Thanksgiving preview.
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: No, man, I think you laid it out well. You know,
• 34:37
  Speaker 2: I think a lot of sites, including ship It, you
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: guys do a great job of like talking through like
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: bank roll management for a whole season to me. Or
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: you're also looking at on as a weekly basis as well, Okay, hey,
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: I've got one hundred dollars, one thousand dollars whatever your
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: stakes is for that week, and think about yourself as
• 34:56
  Speaker 2: you know, an investment, you know, guy who does investments.
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: I'm laying out my portfolio and it's really a risk.
• 35:04
  Speaker 2: You know, how risky are you willing to be? You know,
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: if you're have super conviction your kay to lose everything,
• 35:11
  Speaker 2: sure you could go one hundred percent Gibs in this
• 35:14
  Speaker 2: example that that's not me. I feel like it's very
• 35:18
  Speaker 2: hard to identify where the touchdowns are going to flow.
• 35:22
  Speaker 4: I think we can.
• 35:22
  Speaker 2: All do a better job of saying, hey, we really
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: like Detroit this week, And Tambeau, you laid a great
• 35:28
  Speaker 2: grated out there.
• 35:29
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's probably.
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: Gonna be one of three or four guys. Well, if
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: it's not Gibbs, and Gibbs isn't benefiting, who is benefiting?
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: So to me, it's like looking at each lineup individually.
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: It's easier to do because I don't play three hundred
• 35:42
  Speaker 2: or two hundred lineups where I'm basically saying, Okay, on
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: this lineup, I'm kind of betting on Gibbs. But if
• 35:48
  Speaker 2: that's wrong on the on the next lineup, I'm gonna
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: look at it maybe being Montgomery, or maybe it's a'man
• 35:54
  Speaker 2: Ross and Brown and Jamison and Golf and maybe this
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: is a four passing touchdown game, and both of those
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: lineups can't win because it's not gonna be gives four
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: touchdowns and goth four touchdowns passing, Like, it's not gonna
• 36:08
  Speaker 2: be both winning.
• 36:10
  Speaker 4: It's likely one or the other.
• 36:12
  Speaker 2: And you've got to be willing to say, Okay, I'm
• 36:14
  Speaker 2: not trying.
• 36:15
  Speaker 4: I mean, you're trying to win on every lineup, but
• 36:17
  Speaker 4: that's not realistic.
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: You're just trying to set yourself up for what's the
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: clearest path to first place when things break the way
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: that they do, as the slight kind of unfolds.
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and too many people will set it up where
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: they build their first lineup they feel really comfortable with,
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: but they don't do that with their follow up line
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: like they don't even consider what's in the lineup because
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: the reason the lineup number one was built was because
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: of the Detroit thirty point plus thing. But then in
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: lineup number two they're onto a totally different game. Just
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: got to cover angles and the fear of missing out.
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: If you have limited lineups, you should have more opportunity
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: to review and build it that way. Obviously, if you
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: build one fifty tools like sabers in which we have
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: up where you can put a portfolio build together quite
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: easily and bounce the things off of each other automatically,
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: that's nice too. But your inputs are your outputs. The
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: same goes in your handbuilding a one to five backs
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: where you're saying, I'm gonna do this, then I'm going
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: to adjust for this, or I'm gonna add this into
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: the next line. You need to be thinking about everything
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: as a whole and not just each lineup as its
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: own where you're like, oh, well, then I'll just move
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: to another game. Did the Detroit game just disappear from
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: your mind all of a sudden and they're not gonna
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: put up points anymore? What story are you telling from
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: that perspective? So nads, I know, you got up the
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: Thanksgiving slate here? What sort of your feel on I
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: know Billy's excited for this, and we're gonna let him
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: chat here again on in the second, but before we
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: get into looking at the positions and the pricing and
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: everything there needs, what's sort of your feel when it
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: comes to the Thanksgiving slate, the staggered start, Any strategy thoughts,
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: any ideas you've got before we hop in?
• 37:45
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so I think it's pretty similar to last year, right,
• 37:49
  Speaker 3: is we have a big tonal in green Bay and
• 37:52
  Speaker 3: Detroit in indoors, Right, that was kind of the game
• 37:54
  Speaker 3: you needed last year at least to kick it off.
• 37:56
  Speaker 3: And then we got a bigger spread late night with
• 37:58
  Speaker 3: the Bengals headed into Baltimore or but Joe Burrow it
• 38:01
  Speaker 3: seems to be back, right, I think that's the talks
• 38:04
  Speaker 3: is Joe Burrow is gonna play in that game. That's
• 38:07
  Speaker 3: a fifty one and a half total, right, So you
• 38:09
  Speaker 3: got forty eight and a half total in green Bay.
• 38:11
  Speaker 3: In Detroit you got a fifty one and a half
• 38:13
  Speaker 3: total late night with the Bengals and the Ravens.
• 38:16
  Speaker 4: But that's a bigger spread, right, seven point spread.
• 38:18
  Speaker 3: And then you got the Chiefs right coming off the
• 38:21
  Speaker 3: loss in Dallas, right in a dome, right, So you
• 38:24
  Speaker 3: have two games in a dome to kick off the slate,
• 38:28
  Speaker 3: and then you got the big spread late right where
• 38:30
  Speaker 3: people are gonna probably want to go back to Derrick
• 38:33
  Speaker 3: Henry right, surprise, surprise, Derrick Henry, Mark Andrews are probably
• 38:37
  Speaker 3: gonna be pretty similar or pretty high on because that's
• 38:40
  Speaker 3: just what happened this past Sunday. It's a short week, right,
• 38:44
  Speaker 3: I think it's a much lazier slate than normal because
• 38:47
  Speaker 3: of all the family stuff going on, right, so there's
• 38:50
  Speaker 3: a lot more group think that goes into a slate
• 38:52
  Speaker 3: like this. So I think Derrick Henry, Mark Andrews are
• 38:54
  Speaker 3: gonna kind of lead the lead to charge a lot
• 38:56
  Speaker 3: because of that. Not only are they playing the Bengals,
• 38:59
  Speaker 3: but they're also the seven point favorites at home right
• 39:03
  Speaker 3: late night to round up the slate, whereas people are
• 39:05
  Speaker 3: going to attack the passing games more from the first
• 39:08
  Speaker 3: two games.
• 39:08
  Speaker 4: In my opinion, it's.
• 39:09
  Speaker 3: Kind of broad slate over her there, but I think
• 39:11
  Speaker 3: there's some really interesting especially quarterback prices. I mean Jordan
• 39:15
  Speaker 3: Love and Jared Goff at fifty eight hundred and fifty
• 39:17
  Speaker 3: five hundred in a dome in in what should be
• 39:21
  Speaker 3: a back and forth game. I think are pretty interesting
• 39:24
  Speaker 3: in general. But no, looking looks like a pretty pretty
• 39:27
  Speaker 3: fun slate in general.
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Bill over to you, go ahead and just talk
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: a little bit about the the overview of it. And obviously,
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: like I said, we did our whole course together over
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: at Mastermind, but we're going to talk through some of
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: that stuff here too, like just sort of how you
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: see it. I know, the staggered start is a bigger
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: thing for you, and then kind of you know, the conversation.
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: I'm going to repost it again probably today or tomorrow
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: for this week of you're just your quoted statement of
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: like going and pick your lane, find your lane, go
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: one hundred miles an hour and stick with it, and
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: we talk about it. Sometimes you run into a brick
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: wall and lose all your money, but if you do
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: hit the autobahn and take off, you can really get
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: out and ahead of everybody, and that's what can lead
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: you to the ultimate Grand prize. So just talk a
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: little bit about the shorter slates, and specifically this one
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: with the staggert start strategy.
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: Wise, Yeah, I mean, for me, like and maybe it's
• 40:13
  Speaker 2: more of a mantra of just kind of one week
• 40:16
  Speaker 2: season in general, like you know, we're we're trying to
• 40:19
  Speaker 2: win every week. That's not what I'm saying, but generally,
• 40:22
  Speaker 2: you know, for those of you who have played daily
• 40:24
  Speaker 2: Fantasy for a long time, you know that one week
• 40:27
  Speaker 2: can truly make a season.
• 40:30
  Speaker 4: You know, if you if you.
• 40:31
  Speaker 2: Ship a contest like Tambo did last night, like that
• 40:35
  Speaker 2: pays for all of your losses all throughout the year.
• 40:39
  Speaker 2: So to me, you know, that's that's just the mentality
• 40:41
  Speaker 2: I think that you have to have. You're it's okay
• 40:44
  Speaker 2: if you're, you have to be willing to lose most
• 40:46
  Speaker 2: weeks to truly be willing to win. And I don't
• 40:50
  Speaker 2: think people really know what it means to be truly
• 40:52
  Speaker 2: willing to lose. But we don't need to get too
• 40:55
  Speaker 2: much into the weeds on that. But yeah, I mean
• 40:57
  Speaker 2: short slate like this, I mean, I guess I'll kind
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: of piggyback on Austin just kind of high level like
• 41:03
  Speaker 2: what I like about it, And again, like Pricing just
• 41:05
  Speaker 2: came out this morning, so I haven't done a real
• 41:07
  Speaker 2: deep dive into it, but what I like about it
• 41:10
  Speaker 2: is we've got three, in my opinion, great games there.
• 41:14
  Speaker 2: You know, there are no Raiders or Browns, no bends
• 41:17
  Speaker 2: to them on this late Like we've got three high totals,
• 41:22
  Speaker 2: and you know, I think that they've all got like
• 41:25
  Speaker 2: a wide range of outcomes here where I don't think
• 41:27
  Speaker 2: I'm going to be surprised if any of the games
• 41:30
  Speaker 2: is the highest scoring game. You know, I think the
• 41:33
  Speaker 2: lowest is that is that Lions game at forty eight
• 41:35
  Speaker 2: point five in Kansas City's at fifty two point five. Like,
• 41:40
  Speaker 2: any of those games could be the game you had
• 41:42
  Speaker 2: to have, or it could be that they all play
• 41:44
  Speaker 2: out to twenty seven to twenty four games and.
• 41:47
  Speaker 4: You need pieces from all of them.
• 41:49
  Speaker 2: So to me, there's a lot of different strategy approaches
• 41:52
  Speaker 2: that you can take to it. And you know, that's
• 41:54
  Speaker 2: some of the things that I that I lay out
• 41:56
  Speaker 2: in our Mastermind course that I kind of put behind
• 41:59
  Speaker 2: the paywall.
• 41:59
  Speaker 4: One week season is just kind of.
• 42:01
  Speaker 2: Thinking through as you're building your roster, what does what
• 42:05
  Speaker 2: does that mean for the rest of the slate, Like,
• 42:07
  Speaker 2: how are you constructing that roster, how does that how
• 42:10
  Speaker 2: does that play out for the rest of that you know,
• 42:12
  Speaker 2: the rest of that slate. You know, if we look
• 42:15
  Speaker 2: at one of the games, just for example, let's look
• 42:17
  Speaker 2: at Kansas City Dallas, that's the highest you know, that's
• 42:20
  Speaker 2: the highest total on the slate. If that plays out
• 42:23
  Speaker 2: to a thirty five thirty one game, you know, and
• 42:26
  Speaker 2: there's eight or nine touchdowns in that game, like, and
• 42:31
  Speaker 2: that's probably going to be how most people are going
• 42:33
  Speaker 2: to build that game is to be a high scoring
• 42:36
  Speaker 2: passing type of affair. If it ends up being eight
• 42:40
  Speaker 2: or nine touchdowns total, you're likely going to have to
• 42:43
  Speaker 2: have Patrick Mahomes or Dak Prescott in your line because
• 42:48
  Speaker 2: pricing is again so loose at quarterback, like I think
• 42:52
  Speaker 2: Lamar is the highest at sixty eight, and then the
• 42:56
  Speaker 2: lowest is like Jordan Love at fifty five. Like there's
• 42:58
  Speaker 2: no real savings, Like you have to probably have the
• 43:01
  Speaker 2: highest scoring quarterback. Whereas as when we looked at main
• 43:05
  Speaker 2: slate for yesterday, I don't know if Jameis Winston was
• 43:09
  Speaker 2: the highest scoring. He may have actually been, but a
• 43:13
  Speaker 2: lot of times it's just that pay down guy that
• 43:16
  Speaker 2: allows you to get some of those other pay up guys.
• 43:19
  Speaker 4: That's unlikely to be the.
• 43:20
  Speaker 2: Case on this late because you're not really getting a
• 43:23
  Speaker 2: whole lot of savings with Jordan Love off of like
• 43:26
  Speaker 2: Mahomes or Prescott. You know, you're you're saving eight hundred bucks,
• 43:29
  Speaker 2: it's probably not going to be you don't need that.
• 43:33
  Speaker 2: Like pricing is so loose this week, and DraftKings does
• 43:36
  Speaker 2: that a lot on you know, week one Thanksgiving, where
• 43:39
  Speaker 2: casual players are are more abundant because people don't want
• 43:43
  Speaker 2: to be having to shove Luther Burden into their lineup
• 43:46
  Speaker 2: to make that last that. They want guys that they
• 43:49
  Speaker 2: know that you know, familiarity with their name, and so
• 43:52
  Speaker 2: you see a lot of the you know, the looser
• 43:54
  Speaker 2: pricing on slates like Thanksgiving.
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think a couple of things there that stood.
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: One would be for certain, there is a five dollars
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: million maker on DraftKings, so the pricing is about the
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: softest you could ever see it be because they have
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: to fill up a six hundred thousand person tournament. That's
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: a tangent for another day. But you're good for them, congrats, like,
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: awesome tournament, Thank you so much. But you know, if
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: you don't like that, go play in the five thousand
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: dollars million maker. Basically just absolute disgrace. But either way
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: I digress. The other thing you said too, is like
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: when you set it up, so I guess this is
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: the other thing and I get it. Like at the
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: end of the day, you set your lineups up so
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: you will have something saved in your CSV or in
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: your again, a CSV could be people take that as
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: one fifty. You could have a CSV it has two
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: single entry lineups in it. My point being your lineups
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: are already set in stone, as like I want to
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: play this, but the way it really works without going
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: to into the weeds and like you say, stuff that
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: we sort of went through behind the scenes. It's not
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: that it's the secrets as much as kind of like
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: it's just it's in depth. If you're trying to take
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: your game to a different level and figure it all out,
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: the concepts are greater because it's like you're really worried
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: about green Bay and Detroit. They are game one. You
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: are going to get the puzz that one third of
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: the puzzle breakdown. I always tease that, like, you know,
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: DFS is a puzzle. You don't have the full pitcher
• 45:07
  Speaker 1: in front of you. Though we all get the same pieces,
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: we all play the same game, but it's whoever builds
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: it the fastest and most correct, because you've got to
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: get it in before lock et cetera, et cetera. In
• 45:16
  Speaker 1: this case, you do get the puzzle the first third
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: of it after game one, and you kind of know
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: what that means. So if Gibbs is Chalk, let's say,
• 45:24
  Speaker 1: and goes off in game one and you have lineups
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: with Gibbs, well, those are great. They're off to a
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: hot start. Now you get to see, do I want
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: to have those filled out with Kansas City and Dallas stacks?
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: Do I want to mix a boat? Do I want
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: some Cincy Baltimore? Maybe all of the above, And if
• 45:38
  Speaker 1: you have enough lineups you can do all the above.
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: But on the same note, you could say, wow, a
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: running back at Chalk that was expensive busted? Where can
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: I make that up in these next two games. If
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: you've already got lineups with Gibbs in it, well you
• 45:53
  Speaker 1: need to get different for the other two games. If
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: you don't have Gibbs, you're thinking about, Wow, these Gibbs
• 45:59
  Speaker 1: lineups that I can really crush. What's the best way
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: to punish them for the mistake? And the play that
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: ended up being a mistake as part of their process
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: in playing them, which you probably played them too, so
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: it's like that's where you have more information and you
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: just don't get that a lot, right, Like people don't
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: realize that a lot of these peer to peer games,
• 46:18
  Speaker 1: it's not often you get to know everything that happened
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: ahead of time to be able to adjust on the fly.
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: And that's why the strategy for the staggered start is
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: so important. So we'll go back to Billy just on that.
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: Anything else you want to add on the staggered start stuff,
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: the late swap of it, or are you good just
• 46:35
  Speaker 1: sort of chatting through these games and some of the
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: stuff that we can see early on. I know, like
• 46:38
  Speaker 1: I said, no deep dive yet, but it's meant to
• 46:40
  Speaker 1: be a first look and how you think people are
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: going to attack this slate and maybe how we can
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: take things and find our lane and move it to
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: our advantage.
• 46:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I'm happy to give just kind of
• 46:50
  Speaker 2: like a ten thousand foot view of of what my
• 46:54
  Speaker 2: short short slate strategy is. So I think high level
• 47:00
  Speaker 2: my approach is that I want to play more lineups
• 47:03
  Speaker 2: than I would on a normal main slate. That doesn't
• 47:06
  Speaker 2: mean that I'm going to play more money. You know,
• 47:09
  Speaker 2: I'm normally a single entry three max five max guy
• 47:12
  Speaker 2: where I'll play one hundred dollars single untry, fifty dollars
• 47:15
  Speaker 2: single entry, So you know, maybe I'll have a couple
• 47:17
  Speaker 2: hundred bucks in each week, you know, each week on
• 47:20
  Speaker 2: this late I may look to play if they put
• 47:24
  Speaker 2: out like a three dollars or a five dollars type
• 47:26
  Speaker 2: of contest, or even if it's I have no idea
• 47:29
  Speaker 2: what they've got right now, they've only got two contests
• 47:31
  Speaker 2: really released, and it's a five dollars and a forty
• 47:35
  Speaker 2: four to forty four. When they release more contests, Like,
• 47:38
  Speaker 2: to me, this is a week where I would probably
• 47:40
  Speaker 2: go with one hundred or one hundred and fifty lineups. However,
• 47:45
  Speaker 2: the approach that I take is I don't build let's
• 47:48
  Speaker 2: say I'm going to go one hundred and fifty lineups,
• 47:50
  Speaker 2: I don't build one hundred and fifty unique lineups.
• 47:53
  Speaker 4: The approach that I take is.
• 47:54
  Speaker 2: I would build fifty unique builds, and I would duplicate
• 48:00
  Speaker 2: them so I would run clones. So instead of one
• 48:04
  Speaker 2: hundred and fifty unique, I would take fifty lineups and
• 48:07
  Speaker 2: I'd enter them each three times for that total of
• 48:11
  Speaker 2: one hundred and fifty. And how I like to approach
• 48:14
  Speaker 2: it is I I will go and build those fifty
• 48:20
  Speaker 2: only focused on the very first game. Obviously, you can't
• 48:25
  Speaker 2: submit a roster that doesn't have a full lineup of pieces,
• 48:28
  Speaker 2: so I'm more or less putting in dummy pieces, but
• 48:32
  Speaker 2: I'll only focused on the very first game. And I'm saying, okay, well,
• 48:35
  Speaker 2: let's say it plays out to a shootout. What does
• 48:38
  Speaker 2: a shootout look like? And I'll build ten rosters around
• 48:41
  Speaker 2: a shootout? What if it's you know, what if it's
• 48:45
  Speaker 2: really low scoring? What could really low scoring? And if
• 48:47
  Speaker 2: you guys play showdowns? You know how this kind of
• 48:50
  Speaker 2: approach is. That's how you how I think you should
• 48:53
  Speaker 2: think about every roster that you're building is okay, just
• 48:57
  Speaker 2: specific to this first game, but you know, I'm gonna
• 49:01
  Speaker 2: build it a couple of different ways. And your goal
• 49:04
  Speaker 2: is to try to nail what could be because you
• 49:06
  Speaker 2: won't know what the puzzle looks like until all three
• 49:09
  Speaker 2: games are finished. But what could be the nuts on
• 49:13
  Speaker 2: this first game? You're just trying to build different scenarios
• 49:16
  Speaker 2: of that. So after the first game, after you've got
• 49:20
  Speaker 2: that puzzle, you know, unveiled of what that likely looks like.
• 49:24
  Speaker 2: I then generally just say, okay, maybe forty of the
• 49:30
  Speaker 2: fifty lineups that I've built are probably dead for first place.
• 49:37
  Speaker 2: I'm only looking to try to get first place in
• 49:39
  Speaker 2: these contests, So to me, I may build fifty of
• 49:42
  Speaker 2: these lineups and they'll be clones. I may build fifty
• 49:47
  Speaker 2: of these lineups and more or less discard. This is
• 49:51
  Speaker 2: not an approach for the faint of heart. I may
• 49:53
  Speaker 2: discard forty of the fifty after the first game and say, yes,
• 49:58
  Speaker 2: if I have time, I'll go and try to make
• 50:00
  Speaker 2: some adjustments to try to get these two min cash.
• 50:04
  Speaker 2: But they're dead for the top of the leader board,
• 50:06
  Speaker 2: just based on how the first game played out. Because
• 50:09
  Speaker 2: what again, I'm rambling here, But what makes a three
• 50:12
  Speaker 2: games slate more difficult than on eleven games slate, for example,
• 50:16
  Speaker 2: is there's not as many pivots.
• 50:18
  Speaker 3: Like you.
• 50:19
  Speaker 2: In a big contest with six hundred thousand people, you're
• 50:22
  Speaker 2: probably gonna have to get the complete nuts to win
• 50:26
  Speaker 2: because there's only so many combinations. So I'll look at
• 50:30
  Speaker 2: it and say, okay, maybe I've got ten lineups that
• 50:33
  Speaker 2: played to the game being a shootout and it ended
• 50:37
  Speaker 2: up being, you know, a thirty five thirty one score
• 50:40
  Speaker 2: with the Packers and the Lions. I'll then go through
• 50:42
  Speaker 2: each of those ten lineups that I have, and because
• 50:46
  Speaker 2: I have clones of them, I have different kind of
• 50:49
  Speaker 2: tributaries of how I can build out the next game.
• 50:53
  Speaker 2: Does that all make sense to you guys?
• 50:55
  Speaker 4: Following that? Am I explaining this? Well?
• 50:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so I'm just trying to build each lineup as
• 50:59
  Speaker 2: I get more information, and I'm willing to discard more
• 51:04
  Speaker 2: or less the ones that I know are wrong because
• 51:06
  Speaker 2: I'm only trying to get to the top and you're
• 51:11
  Speaker 2: trying to just give yourself a lot of different outs. Okay, hey,
• 51:13
  Speaker 2: I've nailed.
• 51:15
  Speaker 4: I nailed the.
• 51:15
  Speaker 2: First game, but I only have one roster. Well, it's
• 51:18
  Speaker 2: still really hard to try to get the next two
• 51:20
  Speaker 2: pieces right. But if you give yourself clones, you've now
• 51:23
  Speaker 2: got multiple attempts to try to play out the second
• 51:27
  Speaker 2: and the third game, of different scenarios of how those
• 51:30
  Speaker 2: could play out. So that's how I like to approach it,
• 51:33
  Speaker 2: is kind of with a clone approach, and I think
• 51:35
  Speaker 2: I think we can leave it there as just kind
• 51:37
  Speaker 2: of high level.
• 51:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll say this, like just to sort of summarize too,
• 51:40
  Speaker 1: because you said it earlier. You said, you know, you
• 51:42
  Speaker 1: didn't want to sort of elaborate on what truly willing
• 51:45
  Speaker 1: to lose was, and I know it's actually meant in
• 51:47
  Speaker 1: the you know, I know exactly what you mean, but
• 51:48
  Speaker 1: I'm saying you can also apply it to this theory
• 51:51
  Speaker 1: of like you said, you're literally willing to discard those
• 51:53
  Speaker 1: because you are playing for you are looking how many
• 51:55
  Speaker 1: of these could possibly win. First, if it is down
• 51:57
  Speaker 1: to eight to ten, well then let me folk on
• 52:00
  Speaker 1: those eight to ten, put myself in the best position
• 52:02
  Speaker 1: on those, and if I have time, I'll go back
• 52:05
  Speaker 1: and edit them. And then from the clone perspective, just
• 52:06
  Speaker 1: in case it wasn't for everybody or not fully understanding it,
• 52:09
  Speaker 1: just a numbers breakdown is let's say you have fifty
• 52:12
  Speaker 1: lineups and you want to run ten with Gibbs, ten
• 52:16
  Speaker 1: with Montgomery. I'm shortening this obviously. You know you have
• 52:19
  Speaker 1: ten with Jared Goff, A Monra and Jameson Williams. You
• 52:23
  Speaker 1: have five with just Jared Goff and Jamison Williams. You
• 52:26
  Speaker 1: have ten with the Love Side of Things and ten
• 52:29
  Speaker 1: with Jacobs. Assuming he's back eventually you're at your fifty lineups.
• 52:32
  Speaker 1: I'm just you know, rambling the numbers off, but I'm
• 52:34
  Speaker 1: saying that he's starting them, and saying it doesn't matter
• 52:36
  Speaker 1: what else is in the lineup, because I'm gonna see
• 52:39
  Speaker 1: game one play out when the Jacobs lineups bust, and
• 52:42
  Speaker 1: the Montgomery lineups bust, and the Jameson Williams lineups bust
• 52:45
  Speaker 1: in that example, boom into the trash they go, mind wise, mindset.
• 52:49
  Speaker 1: Why so I get to them, my will, But I
• 52:50
  Speaker 1: only have X amount of time before the next game.
• 52:53
  Speaker 1: But look at this, my goff A Monra Brock right
• 52:56
  Speaker 1: lineups that I ended up with three of those, they're
• 52:59
  Speaker 1: all in phenomenal shape. So now I need to build
• 53:02
  Speaker 1: the best versions, the best three versions of those with
• 53:06
  Speaker 1: the two games remaining, and how you choose to do
• 53:08
  Speaker 1: it up to you. That's your lane. But if you say,
• 53:10
  Speaker 1: I definitely want one with the Hunter with us, sorry,
• 53:15
  Speaker 1: with Derrick Henry in it, because that's gonna make sense. Actually,
• 53:18
  Speaker 1: you know what, looking at these running backs, I'm gonna
• 53:19
  Speaker 1: put him in two of those out of the three,
• 53:21
  Speaker 1: because I think he's so much more likely out of
• 53:23
  Speaker 1: what's left on this slate to take out the Gibbs
• 53:26
  Speaker 1: lineups that would kind of would have fit Gibbs earlier
• 53:28
  Speaker 1: and they busted, let's say, because it was the passing
• 53:30
  Speaker 1: stack that went off. And then you go with this.
• 53:32
  Speaker 1: So when you can put something together like that and
• 53:35
  Speaker 1: understand it, it's not gonna be for everybody. I would
• 53:37
  Speaker 1: start smaller, right, Maybe fifty is not your jam right
• 53:40
  Speaker 1: out of the gates, and you start with twenty. But
• 53:42
  Speaker 1: you're just building four scenarios in the first game. Maybe
• 53:45
  Speaker 1: you leave five behind or two behind that have nothing
• 53:49
  Speaker 1: in them, and you say, I'm gonna play for the
• 53:50
  Speaker 1: first game being a bust, and it gets really spread
• 53:52
  Speaker 1: out because we know the Packers can spread it out.
• 53:54
  Speaker 1: Fellow cheez that over here are mister Nad's man. We
• 53:57
  Speaker 1: always get gets made fun of, but we love when
• 53:59
  Speaker 1: he's on the talk about it. And then you got
• 54:01
  Speaker 1: the Detroit side. If that spreads out, maybe you don't
• 54:04
  Speaker 1: even end up needing full scores from these guys. And
• 54:06
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna have two just in case. And guess what,
• 54:08
  Speaker 1: even if one or two guys go off in the
• 54:11
  Speaker 1: game one, then you get those two lineups to think
• 54:14
  Speaker 1: about who went off at what position? How am I
• 54:18
  Speaker 1: gonna make it up? What would be a way I
• 54:20
  Speaker 1: could make it up to get those points from somebody else,
• 54:23
  Speaker 1: even though it's if you get a fifty eight from
• 54:24
  Speaker 1: Gibbs again, yeah, it could be in trouble, but it
• 54:26
  Speaker 1: just you get more control over your lineups when you
• 54:29
  Speaker 1: do it that way with the staggered start, and you
• 54:31
  Speaker 1: don't usually get that opportunity. Nates, I'll kick it over
• 54:34
  Speaker 1: to you man, just to talk about it a little bit.
• 54:36
  Speaker 1: Anything else you want to add or stat said one
• 54:38
  Speaker 1: more point quick. We got a little check going on here.
• 54:41
  Speaker 1: Go ahead, stat chime.
• 54:41
  Speaker 2: In when you and then I think a big key
• 54:45
  Speaker 2: thing that you should consider based on the exact example
• 54:48
  Speaker 2: that you just gave the roster that smashes that you have,
• 54:53
  Speaker 2: is it a Jordan love Wis Romeo Dobbs double stack
• 54:59
  Speaker 2: that is complete, lely unowned and that's what's smashed and
• 55:02
  Speaker 2: you have it. If that's what's smashed and you have it,
• 55:06
  Speaker 2: just think you have now done enough that you don't
• 55:09
  Speaker 2: have to be super contrarian the rest of the way.
• 55:13
  Speaker 2: You can play what's going to be chalk and Derrick
• 55:16
  Speaker 2: Henry or Ceedee Lamb I don't know it's going to
• 55:18
  Speaker 2: be chalk racy rice, but you can play into what
• 55:21
  Speaker 2: is the absolute best plays, and theoretically on one of
• 55:26
  Speaker 2: those clones, you absolutely should play all of the chalk
• 55:30
  Speaker 2: in the second game to just see if that keeps
• 55:32
  Speaker 2: you on pace.
• 55:35
  Speaker 1: Yes, because your separators already came from early. Like you said,
• 55:38
  Speaker 1: you've already got the separators, and I talked, am.
• 55:40
  Speaker 2: Already got the separator where you don't have the separator
• 55:43
  Speaker 2: if it's you know, if it's that goth Amanroc gibbstack
• 55:47
  Speaker 2: like yesterday that goes off and it's super high owned.
• 55:50
  Speaker 2: In one of those clones, I would try to do
• 55:53
  Speaker 2: something a little different. In Kansas City Dallas, I'll probably
• 55:58
  Speaker 2: keep one of them, kind of be more of a
• 56:00
  Speaker 2: chalky piece. But if you're really going to win, you
• 56:04
  Speaker 2: can't do what's the most likely outcome in all three games,
• 56:09
  Speaker 2: because that's in a six hundred thousand person contest, that lineup,
• 56:13
  Speaker 2: if it fits salary wise, is gonna be duped hundreds
• 56:16
  Speaker 2: of times. So even if you win, you don't really win,
• 56:20
  Speaker 2: you're gonna you're gonna be splitting the price with hundreds
• 56:23
  Speaker 2: of people. So that's all Nate sorry, I'm sorry, Sorry
• 56:26
  Speaker 2: for clogging up all the space.
• 56:28
  Speaker 3: No you're good, Noah, you're good for sure. And basically
• 56:31
  Speaker 3: just it's taking the slate right and breaking it down
• 56:34
  Speaker 3: into a three or five max right, just because but
• 56:37
  Speaker 3: you have twenty or forty, thirty, fifty, whatever however many lineups, right,
• 56:41
  Speaker 3: So take it for the twenty twenty max.
• 56:44
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 56:44
  Speaker 3: The three dollars twenty max that I'm sure they'll post
• 56:46
  Speaker 3: is probably gonna be I don't know, one hundred and
• 56:49
  Speaker 3: some thousand people in it. And same thing with the
• 56:52
  Speaker 3: one dollar right, So you can play eighty dollars in
• 56:55
  Speaker 3: your content, eighty dollars total. But now you have forty rosters, right,
• 57:00
  Speaker 3: So it's not to go say you're going to play
• 57:01
  Speaker 3: every single quarterback in all forty. You still have to
• 57:04
  Speaker 3: cut down your pool, right to approach it differently. So
• 57:07
  Speaker 3: maybe you're running four four lineups, but you have ten
• 57:12
  Speaker 3: duplications of each one right to stats in Tampbla's point,
• 57:16
  Speaker 3: because now you have more pieces right to potentially hey,
• 57:19
  Speaker 3: maybe you did in one of those lineups. Get the
• 57:22
  Speaker 3: right pieces right, the must have its right, that have
• 57:24
  Speaker 3: to have it scores from the first game. Now you
• 57:26
  Speaker 3: can approach it with ten different avenues on how to
• 57:29
  Speaker 3: attack Kansas City in Dallas, and maybe love or GoF
• 57:33
  Speaker 3: is the thirty point thirty five point quarterback that you
• 57:36
  Speaker 3: have to have, right, Yeah, could these other guys match that,
• 57:40
  Speaker 3: But chances are if one of those guys in that
• 57:43
  Speaker 3: first game right and you have them scores the thirty
• 57:45
  Speaker 3: to thirty five at their price points with the other
• 57:48
  Speaker 3: high priced studs on the slate, Derrick Henry's the Rashi
• 57:50
  Speaker 3: rice is ceedee Lambs Pickens those guys of the world,
• 57:54
  Speaker 3: you're gonna that fifteen hundred dollars savings or twelve hundred
• 57:57
  Speaker 3: dollars savings whatever, it is down to golf and love.
• 58:00
  Speaker 4: Now you have more avenues than.
• 58:02
  Speaker 3: The rest of the field does, and the rest of
• 58:03
  Speaker 3: the field is just trying to catch up and min
• 58:05
  Speaker 3: cash right, whereas you have you have a chance to
• 58:09
  Speaker 3: ship the entire thing right, which you're hoping for.
• 58:11
  Speaker 4: So I think approaching it like this is very unique.
• 58:14
  Speaker 4: Not many people do it.
• 58:16
  Speaker 3: I was in contention all the way up until the
• 58:18
  Speaker 3: last game last year doing this with my twenty max stuff.
• 58:22
  Speaker 4: So try it out.
• 58:24
  Speaker 3: I think it's a good way, and that way you
• 58:26
  Speaker 3: can focus your time, right, everybody, we're all with family, We're.
• 58:29
  Speaker 4: All around the turkey dinner dinner. Right.
• 58:32
  Speaker 3: Whether whether you believe in Hoop side of the story
• 58:35
  Speaker 3: or not from yesterday, you still have a family and
• 58:39
  Speaker 3: you still don't want to be tied in one.
• 58:41
  Speaker 4: So if you have ten lineups.
• 58:42
  Speaker 3: Now to focus on versus fifty because the other forty
• 58:45
  Speaker 3: are dead right, well, now you just focus on those
• 58:48
  Speaker 3: ten and you just you're shooting for first place.
• 58:50
  Speaker 4: So I think it's a really good way to approach
• 58:52
  Speaker 4: the slate in general.
• 58:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah, this is a good point too, Like, obviously the
• 58:55
  Speaker 1: slate dictates that we this you see her. This is
• 58:57
  Speaker 1: the slate. Last year was different, if you know, I
• 59:00
  Speaker 1: I wanted the Joe flack Over Revenge game for this slate,
• 59:02
  Speaker 1: But now it looks like Joe Burrow is going to
• 59:04
  Speaker 1: be back instead. So we still get a Joey, but
• 59:06
  Speaker 1: it's going to be a Joey Burrow instead of a
• 59:08
  Speaker 1: Joey Flacco. But look at this, Jason says, do you
• 59:11
  Speaker 1: run any of these clones with zero players from the
• 59:12
  Speaker 1: first game. I know we kind of just touched on it,
• 59:14
  Speaker 1: but said, seems risky here, but it could really pay off.
• 59:17
  Speaker 1: If it busts. Did you want to add to that
• 59:19
  Speaker 1: stat just about from like a slate dynamics perspective. Obviously
• 59:22
  Speaker 1: in this case we know the slate, we see what
• 59:24
  Speaker 1: it is. But man, like a manra seventy eight Jamison,
• 59:28
  Speaker 1: these prices are kind of insane. So I guess like
• 59:31
  Speaker 1: it is tricky. But what's your thoughts on Jason's question here?
• 59:35
  Speaker 4: I think it's totally viable.
• 59:37
  Speaker 2: I think that, and leaning into the example that Austin
• 59:42
  Speaker 2: just gave, I think that if you are if this
• 59:44
  Speaker 2: is kind of outside of your comfort zone, I love
• 59:47
  Speaker 2: that suggestion of the three dollars twenty met Like, if
• 59:50
  Speaker 2: you're a typically a guy who plays five to ten lineups,
• 59:54
  Speaker 2: go ahead and play five to ten lineups again on
• 59:56
  Speaker 2: this slate and enter those two twenty maxes. You can
• 59:59
  Speaker 2: clone your line ups four times instead of three, and
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 2: now you've got forty lineups.
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 4: From the ten that you normally build. I love that
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 4: approach For.
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 2: Someone who doesn't who this is a little uncomfortable for,
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 2: I think it's a great way for you to try
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 2: it and not be a huge financial burden. But to
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 2: answer the question, I didn't catch his name, But to
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 2: answer the question around the first game from Jason. I
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 2: think that if I'm only building ten lineups in the
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 2: example that Austin gave and I'm cloning, if I'm only
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 2: building ten, I'm personally probably not completely fading a game.
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 2: If I'm building, if I'm building fifty to put into
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 2: one hundred and fifty max, I personally i'd probably run
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 2: one or two that's completely faded the game because of
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 2: how much leverage you get. If that's right, because if
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 2: the if the whole first game really really fades where
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 2: there's no one who puts up a had to have
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 2: it type score. I put out an article every year
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 2: that'll be out on one week's season. At the end,
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 2: we'll do a quick little promo code for how you
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 2: can sign up at a big discount. There, I kind
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 2: of lay out who who has those had to have
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 2: its scores in their range of outcomes. I think that's
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 2: one thing that a lot of people don't realize, Like
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 2: if we take a twenty point score, regardless of salary
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 2: of like, who's who could have a hat to have
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 2: it type score? If you throw out quarterbacks, so only
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 2: skill position players, there's only thirteen of those guys on
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 2: the entire slate of six teams, there's only you know,
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 2: two guys on every team that have even put up
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 2: twenty points more than once this season, so it's possible
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 2: that they don't. You get, no had to have it
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 2: scores out of the first game. To me, that's just
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 2: kind of a risk tolerance thing.
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 4: If you're building a bunch of lineups, I do it
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 4: with one or two of them for.
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 1: Sure, And I'm also considering the slate. So my follow
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 1: up to that would just be like, this is a
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 1: forty nine. It's actually look surprising enough. I know it's
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 1: the Lions, I know it's the the Packers, I get it.
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 1: But it's actually the lowest total on the slate. And
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 1: that doesn't necessarily mean anything because the stats point, which
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 1: was great of it still matters. What does the individual
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 1: play do well? You have to think, and I know
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 1: there's a million different scenarios. Yesterday's an eleven gamer, this
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 1: is a three gamer. But just to give you an example,
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 1: forty eight hundred dollars, Michael Wilson had a pretty great
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 1: day yesterday and you didn't have to have them to
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 1: win the money. He ended up on the optimal shure.
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 1: But say there were still ways to get around it.
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 1: Now less options on this slate understood, but just noting
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 1: it is if you you got to look at it,
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 1: to me, like from the ceiling guys like the Gibbs,
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 1: the Amanras, the Jamison Williams, Like that's kind of you know,
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 1: maybe you could frame some of those packers in there,
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 1: but not enough people will own them, so it's like
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 1: who has the ceilings and who's actually gonna have the
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 1: highest ownership, And then think about those guys and then
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 1: it becomes a problem of a math problem of like
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 1: stat said, of how many lineups do you have and
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 1: what's your risk tolerance? Because at that point there is
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 1: a scenario where Jamison Williams does have that bounce back
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 1: game at this low price tag, but the bounce back
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 1: game is for like twenty points, and you're like, damn,
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 1: that's pretty good for forty eight hundred. If I could
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 1: take that right now, I would, But does it end
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 1: up I don't know, Like does that actually end up
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 1: on the winner? We don't know. Shout up to Neil Orfield.
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 1: I've done an interview with him over on a Mastermind
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 1: Exclusive Interview behind the scenes, talking his game and theory
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 1: and process, and he always does like the updates throughout
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 1: the slate of like so far what rank in? Again,
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 1: it's percentage based, it's a thought processing, but I love it.
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 1: I think a lot of DFS players do and follow
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 1: him for that reason. Is like just another fun add
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 1: on and the content that he does where it's like
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 1: who do you think you're gonna need? Who's like, okay,
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 1: now this guy, You're definitely gonna need this one. You're
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 1: all right. That's kind of how you can figure this
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 1: stuff out as you go along. There's nothing that says
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 1: if Jamison Williams puts up twenty that you have to have.
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 1: It's great score for forty eight hundred bucks and his
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 1: low price tag and everything on this slate. But there
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 1: is a ton of receivers versus If somehow Muskgrave goes
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 1: off in the first game for twenty five, well he's
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 1: a onesie position. And yes, there is other tight ends
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 1: on the slate and Kelsey could beat them and Ferguson
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 1: and you know, Andrews whatever. But that's a big thing
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 1: to start the slate off where Musgrave has twenty five.
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 1: You're looking to figure out how am I gonna make
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 1: that up now, you can do it. But it's just
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 1: noting things like that are all the kind of concepts
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 1: that you need to consider and why it's more to
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 1: the game than just picking the who of the plays right,
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 1: the how, the why? What does it mean? What do
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 1: I do next? How do I act upon it? That's
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 1: kind of what we talk about. Real quick. We'll probably
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 1: stick around another five ten minutes here, guys, just to
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 1: let everybody get their stuff in at the end too.
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 1: But if you go to quarterback Nad's real quick. Billy
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 1: brought this up. We're not gonna do a full overview.
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 1: I liked Billy's version of like ten minutes above. Billy
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 1: will have another show later in the week. Hoop title
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 1: of myself. We'll have our show later in the week
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 1: this week, actually title is out. It's gonna be Alex
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 1: Blickel on with us, so you know, Stats will have
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 1: his show. We'll be able to post those links in
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 1: the chat so you guys can get fully ready for Thanksgiving.
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 1: But Quarterback's pretty similar priced go to running back for
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 1: a second. Gibbs eighty eight hundred, Henry only seven three
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 1: definitely gonna be very popular for those two there'll be others,
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 1: but just noting like people can get to them. We
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 1: just saw what Gibbs did, we saw what Henry did.
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 1: It still is Baltimore and Detroit at home in both
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 1: spots go to tight end. We'll skip wide receiver for
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 1: a second. You know, I'm not sure how this one
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 1: will be handled fully, but when you have like Kelsey
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 1: Andrews Ferguson, whatever, defense doesn't matter. But I'm most curious
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 1: to spend the last few minutes here on wide receiver.
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 1: Naids your your first thoughts, then I'll get Billy's final
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 1: thoughts and where you can find him. But Naid's wide receiver.
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 1: Somebody said today is you know, could Jamar Chase be
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 1: one hundred and eight percent owned on this slate. It's
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 1: not possible, obviously, but just it feels like a situation
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 1: where he's going to be pretty highly owned, and then
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 1: there's a bunch of options after it. And I noted
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 1: the pickens Lamb thing. Finally got the pricing right, but
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 1: it's only one hundred bucks. So what do you think
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 1: in Nad's first thoughts here at wide receiver, We'll finish
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 1: on that.
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean everyone's gonna flock to play Jamar Chase
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 3: just because all the talks of the Ravens sacnary, but
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 3: more so because Joe Burrow's coming back, right, and now
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 3: they can finally play Jamar Chase with the guy that
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 3: they love to play him with. Right, So, naturally Chase
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 3: is going to have all the ownership. Higgins is going
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 3: to be somewhat held in check at six K because
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 3: of the other guys around him. Right, you got Zay
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 3: Flowers as an easy run back in that game when
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 3: people are already playing Jamar Chase. Joe Burrow's stuff, right,
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 3: So right there, naturally gonna hold T. Higgins in place.
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 3: I think what's interesting is the drop off in price
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 3: right after T Higgins. The Jamison Williams, Watson, dobbs Worthy,
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 3: Jayden Reed's not gonna come back this this week obviously,
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 3: Hollywood Brown, Matthew Golden if he comes back, Bateman if
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 3: he's back, right, all of those guys, I mean, there's
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 3: a lot of guys, right. If you play Jamison Williams
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 3: and he doesn't get there, Watson, dobbs Worthy, Yoshi Vas, Hollywood, Brown, Golden, Wicks, Bateman,
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 3: all of these guys, they're all priced within a thousand
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 3: dollars of each other. Right, that's going to be a
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 3: section that you're gonna have to get right, right, because
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 3: potentially you could have could play four wide receivers on
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 3: it a roster, right, and it could be a four
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 3: wide receiver optimal that you need.
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 3: So getting this range right, I think is going to
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 3: be the most important range because you're gonna have to
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 3: play at least one of them, right. You can't just
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 3: go in and play Jamier Gibbs, Jamar Chase, Samona Saint
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 3: Brown or she Rice Pickens, right, we do play a
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 3: salary based game. So you have to get that range right.
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 3: I think that's gonna be the most important range to
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 3: get right. Is that forty eight hundred to thirty eight
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 3: hundred dollars range or thirty five hundred dollars range down
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 3: to Wick basically wis up to Jameson Williams.
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 4: I think is going to be the range that's going
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 4: to separate.
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 3: And most people say, yeah, no, no shit, But I
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 3: think that's truly a talking point because there's a lot
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 3: of guys in games, right, the Kansas City, right, the
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 3: Worthy stuff in there, the Hollywood Brown stuff in there,
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 3: the Watson, Dobbs, Jameson Williams stuff from the first game.
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 3: So I think that's the main point right there from
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 3: wide receivers, that that kind of value range, if you will.
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah, big big news like that's why I brought it
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 1: up off the top. You didn't see yesterday as Higgins
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 1: was concussed. So well, we'll see how it actually plays
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 1: out what ends up happening by Thursday. But it is
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 1: a quick turnaround, obviously, you know, something to look into.
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 1: But that would just you know, we've seen Jamar Chase
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 1: be ninety percent on these shorter slates anyway, the two
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 1: gamers and stuff like that. This could just be a
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 1: spot where he gets to a really big number. But
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 1: for potentially good reason this stuff. And I love Jerry
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 1: Matt he's my guy. Actually work with him over in
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 1: the Mastermind program and stuff. But just looking at this,
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 1: he says, you know about Dak dropping passes or sorry,
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 1: Lamb dropping passes from Dak. If it's ceed, Lamb, I
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 1: don't care as much. Like to me, that's the thing,
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 1: and I don't think people will either, So Billy, I
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 1: want to get your take on this. I don't think
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 1: I think Lamb still comes again. This is just first take,
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 1: don't care like whatever happens happens. But I think we
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 1: could see Lamb coming higher than Picking still because people
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 1: still go by the name. And I also think in
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 1: the year twenty twenty five thirty six people happily go
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 1: back to Jamison Williams at this price too, because a
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 1: lot of what happens is more dictated by price than
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 1: anything else. We saw brock Bowers a couple of weeks
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 1: ago on the showdown slater a week and a half ago,
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 1: where it was great, mad fine, but it was also
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 1: based on price. We just saw Trey McBride again, valid,
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 1: very legit, but based on matchup and price, and price
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 1: still factored in more which leads to the ownership. I
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 1: think Williams Lamb Chase could be a very common trio
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 1: that you see in lineups with some combo of like
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 1: Rice in a Monra and those guys too. But what's
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 1: your thoughts on this wide receiver spot here?
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I'll give quick thoughts on kind of
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 2: the top of the board just in general, Like, yeah,
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 2: I think I think if t Higgins doesn't clear concussion
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 2: protocol like Jamar Chase is gonna be the highest own
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 2: wide receiver. I don't think it's going to be close.
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 2: People are just gonna pencil him in. I think a
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 2: really intriguing spot is for Racy Rice. Cowboys have gotten
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 2: smashed by elite wide receivers, like I'll just rattle off
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 2: because the name is stat ATL one hundred and sixty
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 2: seven and two to Thelik Neighbors, one hundred and ten
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 2: in a touchdown to A. J. Brown last night, one
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 2: hundred and forty two in a touchdown to Wandelle Robinson,
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 2: one hundred and one in a touchdown to Luther Burden,
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 2: only fifty eight yards but three touchdowns to Romeo Dobbs.
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 2: Troy Franklin went for ninety and two touchdowns, Marvin Harrison
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 2: went for just under one hundred, like ninety seven in
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 2: a touchdown Like this is a spot where Kansas City
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 2: has to keep winning. I know they squeaked out that
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 2: win yesterday, but they're still like in the tenth spot
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 2: in the like current playoff standings, like they have to
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 2: keep winning and Dallas is just getting smashed by wide
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 2: receiver ones. So I think that Racy Rice is probably
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 2: the best play on the board at wide receiver over
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 2: Jamar Chase, in my opinion, and you get a little
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 2: bit of that price discount. And then when you talk
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 2: about Pickens and Lamb, like Lamb is definitely the bigger name.
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 2: Lamb hasn't topped twenty five points all season, whereas George
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 2: Pickens has four games above thirty two points. So I
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 2: think that if l is higher owned, which I think
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 2: you will be because of the name recognition, and you're
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 2: gonna have so many more casuals. To me, I think
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 2: that's just wrong. But I think they're both good plays.
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 2: And this is a slate because pricing is loose or
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 2: looser that if anybody puts up twenty five or more points,
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 2: you're probably they're probably gonna have to be on a
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 2: roster Like there's you may be able to, you know,
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 2: come around, like if it's twenty six points from Pickens
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 2: at seven thousand, like you may be able to get
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 2: there if some cheaper guys put up, you know, put
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 2: up a decent score. But in general, like I think
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 2: any guy that could go for twenty five plus points
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 2: like you kind of have to be I don't want
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 2: to say accounting for on every roster, but I think
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 2: you should be thinking through. Okay if CD, like you know,
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 2: if Racy Rice or Rassie Rice, however you actually say
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 2: his first name, if he completely fails, I don't think
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 2: that Kansas City is gonna fail in this match up
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 2: in a dome, like I would probably have Travis Kelce
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 2: on that bill if I don't have rest your Rice,
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 2: or maybe I would consider Kareem Hunt, which I you know,
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 2: if if there's no wide receivers getting there, Kansas City
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 2: or maybe it's Kansas City d like to me, that's
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 2: how I want to think through these builds of like
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 2: where are the smash spots?
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 4: You know again you you alluded to.
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 2: I know we don't want to spend a lot of
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 2: time on running back, but like Derrick Henry against the Bengals,
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 2: like Cincinnati has given up huge games to running backs,
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 2: they've given up huge games to tight end. You saw
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 2: it again just yesterday with Hunter Henry going for one
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 2: hundred and fifteen in the touchdown Like there have been
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 2: two tight ends that have had better games than that
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 2: seven one fifteen and one like Friar Muth went for
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 2: over one hundred with two touchdowns. Klaston Lovelan went for
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 2: over one hundred with two touchdowns, like tight ends are
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 2: smashing the Bengals, So you know, I mean, I think
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 2: you're gonna see Mark Andrews b Megachok. I think you're
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 2: gonna see Derek Henry beat Megachalk. So just all things
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 2: to kind of consider there.
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 4: But yeah, well you.
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 1: Got to consider too when you're building out early. Like
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 1: you said, I'm sorry to cut you off, but just
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 1: to know it, I'll let you get your final thoughts
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 1: in here in a second, but just for the Green
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 1: Bay stuff, like imagine you build a love for example
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 1: of Dobbs. If people aren't on Williams in that game
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 1: James and Williams at forty eight hundred, they might go
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 1: to Watson at forty seven hundred, But then Dobbs is
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 1: at forty six hundred. And if Dobbs has a two
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 1: touchdown game, that could be really good for love. Love
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 1: rosters could leave you the money for You're already super different.
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 1: You probably have separators already, and then maybe that leaves
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 1: you the money for Andrews and Henry later on. But
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 1: you're in good shape so now you don't have to
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 1: worry about it. But if you have a different lineup,
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 1: that busts early on. Going to those guys is not
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 1: separating you, it's just lumping you even further into the
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 1: same pack everybody else is in. So thinking about things
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 1: like that, and then also with quarterbacks, like anybody who's
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 1: not I say never Mahomes. People know that's for classic
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 1: main slates. On a three gamer you can definitely play
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 1: it's three games only, So just noting that, but the
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 1: concept of thinking about if people aren't on Mahomes, they
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 1: likely still want a piece of it. So you know
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 1: what that means in the non Mahomes lineups, you're gonna
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 1: see more Rice, more Kelsey because then people say, how
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 1: do I get a piece of that game if I'm
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 1: not on Mahomes, And the answer might end up being
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 1: you want Mahomes, Rice and Kelsey. And then you can
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 1: still put Derrick Henry in there and it takes away
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 1: from Mark Andrews. You put a zay flowers and split
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 1: the difference on them or something like that. So lots
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 1: of different ways you can play it. I think it's
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 1: gonna be a fun say, we'll have a ton more
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 1: content on it throughout the week. Billy, thank you so
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 1: much for doing this.
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 4: Man.
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 1: Let the people know everything you've got going on, and
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 1: you've got a special promo code for one week's season,
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 1: everything you're doing over there on x et cetera, and
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 1: where they can find you.
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah, got a lot of great stuff going over at
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 2: one week's season. I've got a promo code that's good
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 2: through Friday. Promo code is black Friday twenty five, like
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 2: like twenty twenty five, like the year. It is rest
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 2: of season, all content. It is forty six dollars for
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 2: the remainder.
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 4: Of the season. Thank you that that. Yeah, that's the code.
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 2: Would love it if you'd come over and check us out.
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 2: I think you will either find it's for you or
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 2: it's not. You know, you guys over and ship It
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 2: do an awesome job. Obviously I'm biased. I think we
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 2: do a great job too. We we take things tip
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 2: from a little bit of a different perspective, not that
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 2: one is better or different. Like I think some people
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 2: come and say, hey, I think ship it just really
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 2: resonates with me, Like, I love how you guys think
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 2: through things. People come to one Week's Season and kind
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 2: of say the same thing. Some people you know, have
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 2: have multiple.
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 1: Memories over both.
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 4: For sure, A lot of crossover.
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 2: So yeah, and if you want to give me a follow,
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 2: I'm reasonably reasonably active on on Twitter. I don't I
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 2: still don't call it X because I'm you know, hastag old.
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 2: It's just stat Atl. You can find me over there
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 2: on Twitter. And I've got a a YouTube channel that
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 2: is kind of a new YouTube channel that is just
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 2: stat atl On on YouTube, I do a lot of like, uh,
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 2: Playoff best Ball and best ball content really high into
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 2: like the Playoff best Ball. I think that that's really awesome.
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 2: You know you referenced Neil Orfield earlier. Awesome, dude, I've
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 2: done some some content with him specific to Playoff best Ball,
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 2: so you really jumping into those streets here in the
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 2: next couple of weeks.
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 4: Awesome, thanks for having me on. I didn't. I didn't
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 4: say thank you yet.
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 1: No, you did enough. Thank thank you so much. Man,
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 1: and Aid's I'll let you get your final thoughts in
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 1: man before we get out here. Anything else you want
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 1: to add, No, appreciate stat jumping on a good guy.
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 3: And oh, fellow bourbon bourbon bourbon friend there too, so
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 3: always good, But no, I appreciate it. Looking forward to
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 3: to this slate and uh, I dropped it in the chat.
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 3: I think a lot of teams start Burrow Gibbs, Henry
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 3: Chase and then find out value, right because Burrow's coming back,
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 3: He's six K He's the cheapest of the stud quarterbacks
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 3: that people want to crown studs. It naturally correlates with Chase,
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 3: and then Henry is the bringback, right, and then people
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 3: will just want Junior Gibbs because he just went off
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 3: for fifty five fantasy points, right, So, and you can
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 3: easily make it work, especially if Higgins is out right
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 3: guess what easy bring easy ad in Yoshi Vash as
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 3: a value play there, because if you do do that start,
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 3: it gives you thirty nine eight or three and eighty
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 3: dollars left for your spots. Obviously defense is cheaper. So
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 3: I think that's an interesting point. And talking about the
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 3: common build, I know you'll do that a lot on
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 3: the Wednesday show with Alex Blico and who talking to that.
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 4: So that's another free show too for the people.
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 3: If you're looking for content there on how to kind
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 3: of approach to Slaton, put it all together and hopefully
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 3: find your way to the top.
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure, if you guys have anything else reach out.
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 1: You can find me at TOTEG and tambo on x.
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 1: And then if you want to get into DFS Mastermind
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 1: project over at ship a Nation, i mentioned we'll be
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 1: wrapping up the one time membership. I'll send her an
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 1: email today so everybody knows and is in on this,
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 1: but it'll be gone at the end of twenty twenty
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 1: five and it will move to just standalone courses and
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 1: add ons and you can get each one that's better
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 1: for the one time members because they already get all those,
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 1: got all those, and we'll continue to get all the
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 1: new stuff. Everything else will be standalone moving forward. So
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 1: part of the project was changing things up and sort
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 1: of working along the fly. There's a lot of members
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 1: in there now that are enjoying it, so check us
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 1: out there. If you want to go to ship at Nation,
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 1: you can get in five days for nineteen dollars. Get
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 1: access right away there. Myself, Hoop and Alex will be
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 1: back on Wednesday to break down the Thanksgiving slate. But
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 1: we'll be back myself, Hoop and Title this afternoon at
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 1: two pm Eastern to break down the Monday night Football
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 1: showdown slate. So that's going to over this one, guys,
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 1: thanks again so much to Billy for hopping on for NAIDS,
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 1: for Billy and for myself to tag and tambo led
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 1: ship it as a last