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JFK ASSASSINATION - Ep. 341 - Friday Limited Hangout · The Lone Gunman Podcast : JFK Assassination

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  Speaker 1: I don't know what he's up to it.
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  Speaker 2: He's picking me like chicken, shoving me like corn, storing
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  Speaker 2: me like an ice dum.
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  Speaker 3: Can I ask you something, honey?
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  Speaker 4: Come on, the man's trying to get some that's okay,
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  Speaker 4: go ahead, ask away.
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  Speaker 3: I just got to know the Kennedy assassination. Did Oswald
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  Speaker 3: act alone?
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  Speaker 4: Hey, that's for me to know. A Olivers. I like
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  Speaker 4: your hair in the middle of the silver hair.
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  Speaker 5: How old are you.
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  Speaker 4: Who killed JFK? I'm not going to read all those pages.
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  Speaker 6: Who do you think killed?
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  Speaker 4: Do you think the government to now?
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  Speaker 7: The Disruptor in Chief Elon Musk, who apparently has adopted
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  Speaker 7: the alias at least he changed his social media handle
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  Speaker 7: to Harry Balls, tweeted this morning democracy in America is
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  Speaker 7: being destroyed.
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  Speaker 6: Yo, yo, it's your boy, the Tesla King, Elon Musk.
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  Speaker 6: The boys always make my rocket shoot straight up. No, homo,
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  Speaker 6: you bout to listen to the number one JFK related
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  Speaker 6: podcast on Planet Mars. Now plug in your neural link
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  Speaker 6: for two numb nuts who aren't a waste of government spending,
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  Speaker 6: the Triple B and Joe B.
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  Speaker 7: Is that.
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  Speaker 3: Meow me? Joy? Show me? I want to see.
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  Speaker 4: Sellom show kill. We welcome everyone, Here we go. I
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  Speaker 4: guess I gotta say it this week because Joe's not here,
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  Speaker 4: and here we go. Welcome in. This is episode number
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  Speaker 4: three hundred and forty one of the Lone Guming Podcast.
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  Speaker 4: Before we get started here, I just wanted to show
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  Speaker 4: off my sweet new hat that I just got from
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  Speaker 4: my buddy Do Not Cool. It's a very limited edition
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  Speaker 4: Dallas Action Podcast hat. It is nice, man, I like it,
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  Speaker 4: of course. I make it look good, though, you know
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  Speaker 4: what I'm saying. I'm kidding. I'm sure it would look
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  Speaker 4: equally as good on Joe's giant head. All right, so folks,
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  Speaker 4: we're gonna get into some stuff here tonight. I got uh. So,
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  Speaker 4: I was trying to think of a catchy title for tonight,
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  Speaker 4: you know, but I couldn't convey what I wanted to convey.
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  Speaker 4: I was thinking of informants, and I'm sure most of
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  Speaker 4: you are older notes. Remember the old song by Snow
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  Speaker 4: called Informa, you know, but lick your boom boom down.
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  Speaker 4: That's what I wanted to call this, but I didn't
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  Speaker 4: think many people would would get the reference. So Friday
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  Speaker 4: Limited Hangout. It is yep rolling Han solo tonight, just
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  Speaker 4: me and the kitty cat. Let's see here. Let's take
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  Speaker 4: a peek in the old chat and see who is
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  Speaker 4: all up in here, because apparently it is bubbling. It
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  Speaker 4: started bubbling half an hour ago. So let's welcome in
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  Speaker 4: Sally from across the pond. Hello, Sally be talking some
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  Speaker 4: things that I don't understand, otherwise known as Irish mysteries
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  Speaker 4: with mister Belgik. Hello, everybody, Hello, mysteries with mister Belgic.
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  Speaker 4: He is from Belgium. Uh huh, first time we've seen
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  Speaker 4: you here, So welcome in, Sir. Hell comes to play.
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  Speaker 4: What's up? Lee? Lee is up in the house the
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  Speaker 4: Bloody Benders. Tiny tiny, tiny tiny yep. That's right, everybody
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  Speaker 4: smashed the like button, even though I haven't gave you
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  Speaker 4: enough to like yet, but you know I will. I'm
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  Speaker 4: good for it, trust me. Just hit the damn button.
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  Speaker 4: Let's see. Here's Zendar Zendar sixty one. Howdy, Sir Zendar
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  Speaker 4: up in the house. Let's see Timothy Ryan. Hello, Hello,
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  Speaker 4: my good peoples. Let's see we keep on going. It's
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  Speaker 4: gonna be a long scroll, folks. I told you the
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  Speaker 4: chat was on fire and one of my favorite nuts
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  Speaker 4: one of my favorite user names to welcome in, Bobby Thundernuts.
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  Speaker 4: Good evening, sir. I love your name. I take great
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  Speaker 4: joy and just sing it out loud. Bobby Thundernuts. Uh,
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  Speaker 4: that's z epych I love it. Welcome in, sir. Let's
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  Speaker 4: see Scott Edwards is up in the house. What's up, Scott?
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  Speaker 4: Hell Scott? What happened to Luna? Uh? Nothing? Nothing. She
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  Speaker 4: probably would have been a much better intro graphics than
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  Speaker 4: what I had to use today. I was so disappointed
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  Speaker 4: when I went to make the thumbnail for here, uh,
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  Speaker 4: the program that I use online the website was down
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  Speaker 4: all morning and I'm freaking out. I'm like, oh my god,
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  Speaker 4: I gotta get this art together somehow.
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  Speaker 1: Uh.
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  Speaker 4: And it was just five o four in me. Gateway
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  Speaker 4: not found, gateway not found, gateway not found for hours.
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  Speaker 4: So I had to search the interwebs and find another
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  Speaker 4: somewhat suitable art compilation website, if you will. And you know,
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  Speaker 4: I like to do specific things with the cover art.
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  Speaker 4: One is, you know, have a properly sized background of
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  Speaker 4: the color of my choosing. And then I like to
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  Speaker 4: be able to remove the background from certain pictures so
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  Speaker 4: that when I add the art to the thumbnail. You know,
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  Speaker 4: you don't have a bunch of weird look at stuff
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  Speaker 4: in behind it, you know, just it's nice and clean looking.
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  Speaker 4: And then of course I need to be able to
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  Speaker 4: add things from my computer and not just use clip
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  Speaker 4: art or you know, predetermined pictures and all this noise.
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  Speaker 4: And then I also need the ability to add text,
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  Speaker 4: add different kinds of font and then excuse me, resize everything.
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  Speaker 7: Uh.
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  Speaker 4: And you know, I got this one, one one program
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  Speaker 4: that works great and I love it and I've been
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  Speaker 4: using it forever. And the damn website was down today,
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  Speaker 4: so we get a ghetto ass thumbnail today, So sorry
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  Speaker 4: for that. But yeah, Scott, I agree, Luna would have
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  Speaker 4: been much better than that shitty thumbnail I threw up there.
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  Speaker 4: Mister j s V six fifty, he's in with the
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  Speaker 4: popcorn and cola or is that a alcoholic beverage whatever
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  Speaker 4: it is? Enjoy Sir Greg, Greg, Greg Greg still in Switzerland.
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  Speaker 4: The hills are alive. I can just see Greg and
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  Speaker 4: his little leader hosen spinning circles around with his lovely
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  Speaker 4: wife and the hills up the Switzerland, the Swiss Alps. Oh,
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  Speaker 4: look who's here, Welcome in, Joe Brelli. He just wanted
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  Speaker 4: to say what up to everyone. He's on vacation with
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  Speaker 4: Ruby was nice enough to give me it tonight. Off
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  Speaker 4: would rather be poden instead of going out to dinner.
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  Speaker 4: But you know, girlfriend, it's okay, Joe. You gotta you
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  Speaker 4: gotta give her a little something every once in a while,
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  Speaker 4: you know, or else you hear a lot of this.
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  Speaker 4: So hopefully Eric is not listening right at this moment,
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  Speaker 4: and Joe has like an AirPod in his ear or something.
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  Speaker 4: Let's see. I know there's more of you here, but
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  Speaker 4: you're not in the chat, and that's okay too. We
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  Speaker 4: love lurkers here even if you never say nothing, you know,
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  Speaker 4: just pop in and say hi every once in a
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  Speaker 4: while so we know you hear. James Smith is up
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  Speaker 3: What is up?
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  Speaker 4: James Trey? You're damn right. It's triple be time, Triple
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  Speaker 4: going through normally we do this. It's just the comment
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  Speaker 4: section is full tonight, which is not a bad problem. Jack,
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  Speaker 4: Welcome in. What is up? My friend? A resident rocket Queen?
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  Speaker 4: welcome in. Damn. I don't think I'll ever get to
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  Speaker 4: in the house. What's up, Paul? Paula Jane. She'll be
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  Speaker 4: riding from Birmingham to Wales in June. Riding. What are
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  Speaker 4: or maybe a horse, although I hope your horse can
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  Speaker 4: swim very long distances. It's it's a long way over here,
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  Speaker 4: you know, the Atlantic, Paula. I'm just giving you a
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  Speaker 4: All right, Colleen, you gotta stop. You're gonna make me
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  Speaker 4: fall in love with your three foot millennium falcon on
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  Speaker 4: That is quite the philanthropic thing to do there. Joe,
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  Speaker 4: that's my co host. He is currently on special assignment
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  Speaker 4: Prova wand well hello from Ireland. We got another Irish
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  Speaker 4: Goodness gracious, Joe. You need to take that that off
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  Speaker 4: more often. Bro. I think we might have more more
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  Speaker 4: myself here, you know, like my co host is you tonight?
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  Speaker 4: Folks in the chat you're always uh, you're always good
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  Speaker 4: for it. So without further I feel like I've been
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  Speaker 4: blathering and killing time for fifteen minutes, which I have been,
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  Speaker 4: but I haven't really. I've just been welcoming everybody in.
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  Speaker 4: So I feel the love thanks for showing up and
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  Speaker 4: hanging out in the Friday Limited Hangout. So, without further idea,
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  Speaker 4: that is French. I don't know any Belgium Ish or
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  Speaker 4: Irish or Welsh or Britain. It well, I guess British
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  Speaker 4: is the same as English probably so its Australian. What's
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  Speaker 4: up anthing? All right, let's get right into it. So
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  Speaker 4: the first things I want to talk about is we're
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  Speaker 4: going to out some informants. Okay, we're gonna just out them.
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  Speaker 4: We're just going to say what they said, who they are,
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  Speaker 4: where they are, what they're doing. We're just going to
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  Speaker 4: out them because informants are dirty rats and they need
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  Speaker 4: to be outed. So the first thing I wanted to
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  Speaker 4: get across here kind of well, thank you mysteries with
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  Speaker 4: mister Belgium. I'm doing a really great shit. Thank you. Well,
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  Speaker 4: just wait, it's barely started. It gets better, I promise.
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  Speaker 4: So the first thing I wanted to get into is
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  Speaker 4: an HSCA document that I found. Let's see, it's an
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  Speaker 4: FBI document from June of nineteen seventy eight, and it
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  Speaker 4: says former Special Agent in Charge Warren Debreese, now retired,
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  Speaker 4: interviewed on June the eighth, nineteen seventy eight by New
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  Speaker 4: Orleans Assistant Special Agent in Charge Theodore ted Gardner after
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  Speaker 4: being advised of HSCA contention that he identified or As
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  Speaker 4: Pania of Argonne Boulevard in New Orleans as a bureau informant,
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  Speaker 4: Debrize stated that he had told HSCA Council Robert Ginsman
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  Speaker 4: when asked by Ginsman that Paynia was an informant. Now
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  Speaker 4: there's a little note on here. This is on June ninth,
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  Speaker 4: nineteen seventy.
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  Speaker 7: Eight, G.
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  Speaker 4: Robert Blakey, HSCA was advised that no informant file exists
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  Speaker 4: on Penia. This response to Blakey was coordinated with Special
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  Speaker 4: Agent Danny Colson, unit of the Legal Division of the FB.
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  Speaker 4: I now, in many, many interviews, well, I wouldn't say many,
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  Speaker 4: but some interviews and to some legitimate legal authority, Warren
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  Speaker 4: de Breeze never never admitted that he ran Lee Oswald
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  Speaker 4: as an informant or or rest Paynia, but arrest Paenia
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  Speaker 4: was very open in his allegations against Debreeze and his
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  Speaker 4: being an informant, and you know, because he was. He was.
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  Speaker 4: He was a little pissed that the Breeze threatened to
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  Speaker 4: beat his ass if he didn't shut up. Yeah, there's that.
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  Speaker 4: I thought I saw some blue fly through here. I did.
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  Speaker 4: I did, Thank you, John, thank you for the super chat.
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  Speaker 4: Stay strong, loose, moved, snitches, get stitches. That's right, we're
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  Speaker 4: out in these bastards, out in them. I see Trey
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  Speaker 4: still has his Japanese keyboard. Oh God, bless you? Or
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  Speaker 4: is that Arabic? I don't know who the hell knows anymore?
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  Speaker 4: Let's see, all right, So then what is this? I
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  Speaker 4: don't know. I'm just gonna start reading it. Both sheriff
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  Speaker 4: Decker and Holman pointed out that anyone who would have
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  Speaker 4: been confined in the hospital section on the fifth floor
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  Speaker 4: of the jail at the time of the assassination would
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  Speaker 4: have been a mental case and the reliability of such
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  Speaker 4: a person would be highly questionable. Holman noted that it
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  Speaker 4: would be most difficult, in the time consuming task at
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  Speaker 4: this late of a date to attempt to determine just
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  Speaker 4: who was confined on the fifth floor in the hospital
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  Speaker 4: ward of the County Jail the time of the assassination. Furthermore,
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  Speaker 4: Homan pointed out that such persons, if identified, have have
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  Speaker 4: since either been released or sent to other statemental places
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  Speaker 4: for incarceration. Now, what this is alluding to is that
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  Speaker 4: actually in Deally Plaza there were several people in jail
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  Speaker 4: who claimed that out their windows that they saw certain things.
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  Speaker 4: It's kind of an interesting, you know, footnote to the
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  Speaker 4: whole Dally Plaza story. And they're basically saying, look, you
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  Speaker 4: can't take what these people say. They are mental cases. Right,
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  Speaker 4: They didn't see any puff of smoke at the grassy. No,
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  Speaker 4: let's crazy talk. We all know that Lee Oshol was
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  Speaker 4: on the sixth floor the depository shooting the rifle. Don't
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  Speaker 4: we no need to run these people down and try
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  Speaker 4: to figure out who they were and what they said.
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  Speaker 4: Not worth the time, folks, right, Holman and Chief Identification
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  Speaker 4: Officer James Kitchen advised that a Faye Leon Blunt, I
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  Speaker 4: don't know if that's a man or a woman. I mean,
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  Speaker 4: you got a woman's first name and a man's middle name,
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  Speaker 4: Fay Leon Blunt. I'm gonna guess it's a guy just
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  Speaker 4: for ships and giggles, a complainant in this matter. So,
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  Speaker 4: this Fay Leon Blunt is one of these people that
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  Speaker 4: said they saw something from the fifth floor window is
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  Speaker 4: well known to them as a person who is completely unreliable,
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  Speaker 4: who has been arrested on several occasions in the past
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  Speaker 4: on the lunacy charges. Not just mental problems, but lunacy.
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  Speaker 4: They're a lunatic. That's like one step of of unstable.
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  Speaker 4: Both stated that they would place no confidence whatsoever and
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  Speaker 4: any information furnished by him. Okay, well there's our identifier,
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  Speaker 4: our gender identifier him. So Fay is a man. Kitchen
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  Speaker 4: pulled blunts arrest record and noted that Blunt was not
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  Speaker 4: incarcerated in the Dallas County jail at the time of
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  Speaker 4: the assassination. Oh what isn't that convenient? How a little
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  Speaker 4: whiteout will do? Joky? Who knows? Who knows? Faye might
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  Speaker 4: really be batshit crazy? It's possible, Ah, yeah. But here's
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  Speaker 4: where the part gets juicy. It says, then page twenty
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  Speaker 4: of the report is included, which is part of the index.
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  Speaker 4: Document one two four DASH one zero zero three five
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  Speaker 4: DASH one zero zero two two is supposed to be
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  Speaker 4: a seven hundred and ninety seven page report, three pages
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  Speaker 4: of which are here. There's kind of a cover sheet
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  Speaker 4: with a hell of a lot of notations on it.
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  Speaker 4: The title of the case is interesting. Lee Harvey oswald
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  Speaker 4: a k A L. H oswald A k A Lee
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  Speaker 4: oswald A k A Lee h oswald A k A
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  Speaker 4: Leslie oswald A k A A highdell A k A
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  Speaker 4: A j. Hidell A k A Alec j hidell A
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  Speaker 4: k A Alec James hidell A k A O H. Lee.
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  Speaker 4: I think that's all of them. I think we've covered
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  Speaker 4: all of them, except for maybe Lee Henry and Lee
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  Speaker 4: Harvey or Lee Harold. Sorry cover page B. The ident
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  Speaker 4: does identify some informants, so here we go buckle in
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  Speaker 4: along with Harry Holmes, who we know was a Dallas
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  Speaker 4: U T one Tier one and formant. Of course, he
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  Speaker 4: was the head of the post all the post on
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  Speaker 4: inspector there in Dallas. We have Dorothy Reader who was
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  Speaker 4: Also it was an info clerk at the US Post
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  Speaker 4: Office in Fort Worth, Texas. So that would be Harry
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  Speaker 4: Holmes's Fort Worth. Uh uh, compadre equal. And then I
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  Speaker 4: always wondered who the one in New Orleans was. Who's
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  Speaker 4: the New Orleans Harry Holmes. Well, I'll tell you. His
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  Speaker 4: name was Joseph j. Csar's. Csar's with two z's like
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  Speaker 4: pizza but tsars. Yeah, Cammy Fay Leon Blunt, let's smoke up.
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  Speaker 4: Let's see New Orleans. T. Two was a banker named
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  Speaker 4: Salvador Vargas, New Orleans. T III was a guy by
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  Speaker 4: the name of Dick Dick LeBlanc of North Claybourne Parkway,
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  Speaker 4: New Orleans. T four Salvador Margin of Mandeville. Uh. He
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  Speaker 4: was a utility carrier, a postal carrier of the branch
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  Speaker 4: post office in Napoleon and Carondlas Streets. So he was
• 25:28
  Speaker 4: a mailman. He was walking around New Orleans. T five.
• 25:33
  Speaker 4: You ready for this one, folks, I know you've heard
• 25:35
  Speaker 4: this name before. New Orleans T five Carlos Carroga of
• 25:41
  Speaker 4: three to one three four Derby Place, New Orleans. T
• 25:48
  Speaker 4: six Germanal Messina one two two eight Galier Street, and
• 25:53
  Speaker 4: he worked at the New Orleans Unemployment Division. So Carlos
• 26:03
  Speaker 4: officially in black and white on an FBI document, New
• 26:08
  Speaker 4: Orleans five FBI informant, gotcha bitch, gotcha bitch? Next up,
• 26:18
  Speaker 4: we got a good one. And this lady's name fits
• 26:22
  Speaker 4: her to a t. Betty Parrot. Betty Parrot. Now, we
• 26:29
  Speaker 4: talked about Betty before in relationship when we were talking
• 26:33
  Speaker 4: I think when we did the Bill Dalzel episode Big Man,
• 26:37
  Speaker 4: Little Horse. I can't remember the number right offhand, but
• 26:42
  Speaker 4: that's what it was called. And of course this all
• 26:47
  Speaker 4: comes from the Garrison investigation, and a lot of these
• 26:52
  Speaker 4: memos that I'm gonna read you here are from the
• 26:54
  Speaker 4: the Garrison deal with Andrew Mumu Shambra providing a lot
• 27:01
  Speaker 4: of this information. So what's interesting here of this interview
• 27:09
  Speaker 4: with Betty Parrot On March thirty first, nineteen sixty seven,
• 27:14
  Speaker 4: he says, Okay, I interviewed Betty Parrott and learned from
• 27:16
  Speaker 4: her that she had been had an extremely close relationship
• 27:19
  Speaker 4: with Bill Dalzel. It seems like Bill Dalzell lived at
• 27:23
  Speaker 4: her home for a certain period of time. During the
• 27:25
  Speaker 4: time that Bill Daalzel lived in her home. She said
• 27:28
  Speaker 4: that he was involved with a group known as the
• 27:29
  Speaker 4: Friends of Democratic Cuba. Excuse me now, for those of
• 27:34
  Speaker 4: you who don't know, real quick, Bill Dalzell did a
• 27:38
  Speaker 4: radio show for the Friends of Democratic Cuba. This was
• 27:42
  Speaker 4: also the group that members included Sergio or Akasha Smith,
• 27:49
  Speaker 4: Grady Durham, Bill Craig himself, Bill Klein, an attorney, Guy Banister,
• 28:04
  Speaker 4: and a guy by the name of Regis Kennedy. No
• 28:09
  Speaker 4: relationship to John Kennedy, but Regis Kennedy was a member
• 28:16
  Speaker 4: of the New Orleans office of the Federal Bureau of
• 28:19
  Speaker 4: Investigation the FBI. Yeah, and Jack Martin had some interesting
• 28:24
  Speaker 4: things to say about mister Regis Kennedy as well. But
• 28:31
  Speaker 4: what Parrot has to say about Regis Kennedy, she says.
• 28:35
  Speaker 4: She said that many times Regis Kennedy would come over
• 28:37
  Speaker 4: to the house and talk to Dalzel concerning the operation.
• 28:41
  Speaker 4: Now again, sorry, I digress again, but Bill Dalzel is
• 28:48
  Speaker 4: a commonly thought of CIA contact. Okay, everybody thinks that
• 28:57
  Speaker 4: he had something to do with the CIA. She also
• 29:05
  Speaker 4: said that many times Regis Kennedy came to the office
• 29:07
  Speaker 4: in the Bolter Building to talk to Dalzel and in
• 29:13
  Speaker 4: turn Dalzel and other members of the group visited Regis
• 29:16
  Speaker 4: Kennedy at his office. She said that Regis Kennedy confirmed
• 29:19
  Speaker 4: to her the fact that clay Shaw is a former
• 29:22
  Speaker 4: CIA agent who did some work for the CIA in
• 29:24
  Speaker 4: Italy over a five year span. Now again, this interview
• 29:32
  Speaker 4: is in the beginning of April nineteen and sixty seven,
• 29:38
  Speaker 4: long before we had any official confirmation and documentation that
• 29:42
  Speaker 4: Clayshaw had been a contract or contact employee of the
• 29:48
  Speaker 4: Central Intelligence Agency. And here in nineteen sixty seven, she
• 29:56
  Speaker 4: said that Regis Kennedy confirmed to her, this is FBI guy.
• 30:00
  Speaker 4: Ritis Kenny confirmed to her the fact that clay Shaw
• 30:03
  Speaker 4: is a former CIA agent who did some work for
• 30:05
  Speaker 4: the CIA in Italy over a five year span. This
• 30:08
  Speaker 4: is accurate information, folks. This is what informants need. Two
• 30:17
  Speaker 4: actually informal we'll get there. Keep staying on topic, mister r. Buckle.
• 30:30
  Speaker 3: Uh.
• 30:32
  Speaker 4: She said. This group later moved from their office in
• 30:34
  Speaker 4: the Bolter Building and moved into an office at the
• 30:37
  Speaker 4: International Trademark and operated under the name of the Voice
• 30:39
  Speaker 4: of Cuba or the Friends of Democratic Cuba. So apparently
• 30:46
  Speaker 4: the Bolter Building this is where UH five point four
• 30:50
  Speaker 4: Camp Street was Banister's office, the office of the CRC,
• 30:57
  Speaker 4: the Cuban Revolutionary Council, so very tight. You got all
• 31:03
  Speaker 4: these folks rubbing, rubbing elbows all around the same area.
• 31:08
  Speaker 4: She said that she does not know whether or not
• 31:11
  Speaker 4: Clay Shaw had any connection with this group, and that
• 31:14
  Speaker 4: she does not remember hearing Clay's Shaw, hearing clay shall
• 31:18
  Speaker 4: name mentioned with this group. She said that Bill Daalzel
• 31:21
  Speaker 4: could tell us everything about the group and about the
• 31:23
  Speaker 4: connection with Regis Kennedy and the CIA. She said, for
• 31:32
  Speaker 4: some reason, she has heard Bill Dalzell's name mentioned quite
• 31:35
  Speaker 4: often since the investigation started. She said that approximately two
• 31:38
  Speaker 4: weeks ago, Dalzell made a trip into New Orleans and
• 31:42
  Speaker 4: spoke to Steve Plockin, whom she had heard had skipped town.
• 31:48
  Speaker 4: I don't know who that is, Steve Plockin. I don't know,
• 31:51
  Speaker 4: I don't know. Let's see. So we have a second
• 32:00
  Speaker 4: with Betty Parrott, and this one occurs about roughly eight
• 32:06
  Speaker 4: months after the one we just read, and it's from
• 32:11
  Speaker 4: Mumoo again. I talked with Betty Parrott in reference to
• 32:14
  Speaker 4: her knowledge concerning the Frederick Friends of Democratic Cuba, and
• 32:21
  Speaker 4: they're talking about Joseph Moore. She said Joseph Moore was
• 32:24
  Speaker 4: an honorably discharged marine a few months after World War Two,
• 32:29
  Speaker 4: late twenties, honey, blonde hair, blue eyes, five to eight,
• 32:33
  Speaker 4: weait one hundred and fifteen, one hundred and sixty. She
• 32:36
  Speaker 4: said he came into town the same week Bill Dalzel
• 32:39
  Speaker 4: formed the Friends of Democratic Cuba and all opened the
• 32:41
  Speaker 4: office in the Bolt Building and blah blah, blah, blah blah.
• 32:46
  Speaker 4: Betty Parrott said the guy banished had files on all
• 32:50
  Speaker 4: the people around the office at the time. That Logan
• 32:53
  Speaker 4: was a CIA man assigned to Arkasha and the Friends
• 32:58
  Speaker 4: of Democratic Cuba, and his counterpart from the FBI was
• 33:01
  Speaker 4: Readis Kennedy Shocker. She said that Logan was good friends
• 33:10
  Speaker 4: with Grady Durham and that both of them belonged to
• 33:12
  Speaker 4: the chess club around the Maritime Building. She said all
• 33:16
  Speaker 4: members of the group were screened by the FBI and
• 33:18
  Speaker 4: the CIA. She says she knew of no car that
• 33:22
  Speaker 4: more had. She also said that we should check into
• 33:24
  Speaker 4: the waiters who worked in the Court of Two Sisters
• 33:28
  Speaker 4: during the summer of nineteen sixty three. Now this is
• 33:32
  Speaker 4: interesting and we'll get more into that. A little later
• 33:37
  Speaker 4: with the Court of the Two Sisters. Because again this
• 33:41
  Speaker 4: is what turns out to be a legitimate information when
• 33:46
  Speaker 4: we go back and look at the interview with Leander Davy,
• 33:52
  Speaker 4: who was a waiter at the Court of the Two
• 33:55
  Speaker 4: Sisters in the summer of nineteen sixty three, and he
• 33:58
  Speaker 4: had some very very interesting things to say that I
• 34:03
  Speaker 4: have done a show about many many moons ago, and
• 34:09
  Speaker 4: don't ask me to recall the number or name. I
• 34:13
  Speaker 4: don't know. Let's see here. Yeah, And she said that
• 34:22
  Speaker 4: the Marcello brothers had something to do with the court
• 34:27
  Speaker 4: and that she heard, well, yeah, they owned. It turns
• 34:31
  Speaker 4: out that Marcelos owned the Court of the Two Sisters.
• 34:35
  Speaker 4: It was ran by a guide named Geene Davis, who
• 34:40
  Speaker 4: was eventually removed relieved of his duties at the court
• 34:43
  Speaker 4: because of all this scandal. She also said that right
• 34:47
  Speaker 4: after this period, Jean Davis began living with a young
• 34:49
  Speaker 4: boy who he was in love with and took out
• 34:52
  Speaker 4: a big insurance policy on him, and the boy got
• 34:54
  Speaker 4: killed and Jane collected on it. Whoa, whoa what.
• 35:01
  Speaker 5: Uh?
• 35:02
  Speaker 4: He also said. Or Betty Parrott also said that she
• 35:06
  Speaker 4: heard that Davis was involved in blackmail from Queers that
• 35:13
  Speaker 4: the blackmailing information came from Regis Kennedy and some New
• 35:16
  Speaker 4: York agents. Betty parrots said, we should talk to a tall,
• 35:21
  Speaker 4: black haired waiter around six foot three five who's gay
• 35:24
  Speaker 4: and who's either working at the court or just recently
• 35:27
  Speaker 4: left in regards to the story about Oswald staying there,
• 35:30
  Speaker 4: and she's referring to Leander Davy. She also says that
• 35:37
  Speaker 4: Banister was around mostly with Grady Durham, Jack Martin, and
• 35:41
  Speaker 4: Bill Dalzel, so she is feeding all kinds of information
• 35:49
  Speaker 4: to the office of the District Attorney District Attorney and
• 35:53
  Speaker 4: looking back now we know a lot of this is accurate. Now,
• 35:56
  Speaker 4: Eugene Davis, the guy who was running the Court of
• 35:59
  Speaker 4: the Two Sisters, is the same guy who Dean andrews
• 36:03
  Speaker 4: old Dino outed publicly in court as being Clay Bertrand
• 36:15
  Speaker 4: and Garrison charged him with perjury because he wouldn't identify
• 36:21
  Speaker 4: him as Clay Shaw. So this all this shit just
• 36:26
  Speaker 4: goes full circle craziness. Betty Parrott also said that Ed Butler,
• 36:34
  Speaker 4: the guy that you know interviewed Oswald and bring A,
• 36:39
  Speaker 4: didn't know a lot about the Friends of Democratic Cuba
• 36:42
  Speaker 4: as he was always with Guy, always with Guy Banister
• 36:45
  Speaker 4: and Jack Martin. He was responsible for the dismissal of
• 36:49
  Speaker 4: d'alzel in the eventual formation of INCA. She says that
• 36:53
  Speaker 4: she does not know who got the Banister files, but
• 36:55
  Speaker 4: she heard of Jack Martin trying to sell some of them,
• 37:00
  Speaker 4: which is interesting. So if ed Butler, she says, Ed
• 37:09
  Speaker 4: Butler was always with Guy Banister and Jack Martin. So
• 37:13
  Speaker 4: if this whole thing with Oswald in New Orleans was
• 37:16
  Speaker 4: a Banister operation, if you will, where they were trying
• 37:21
  Speaker 4: to out commis, you know, and then create files on
• 37:26
  Speaker 4: all these communists and red lovers, pink O, comedy bastards
• 37:33
  Speaker 4: and all of this, you know, around New Orleans. That
• 37:40
  Speaker 4: all kind of makes sense what she's saying. So BP,
• 37:45
  Speaker 4: Betty Parrott, Betty Parrot, she did Cammy, she was in
• 37:57
  Speaker 4: all the right places, honeytrapping all the New Orleans, even
• 38:03
  Speaker 4: the homosexuals. So let's see, this is another interview with
• 38:14
  Speaker 4: Betty Pert Godly Day, Okay, and this is from April
• 38:21
  Speaker 4: first to sixty seven, so we're going back in time
• 38:23
  Speaker 4: a little bit from the last one. Now, what's interesting
• 38:28
  Speaker 4: about this one. It jumped off the page in me
• 38:31
  Speaker 4: and smacked me right in the face. I was like,
• 38:36
  Speaker 4: what are you freaking kidding me? Like this just supports well,
• 38:46
  Speaker 4: let me just tell you like this. Okay. So in
• 38:50
  Speaker 4: the book Reasonable Doubt by Henry Hurt, of which I
• 38:54
  Speaker 4: just got a copy of the mail And if you
• 38:57
  Speaker 4: haven't been watching, the copy that I got was actually JFK.
• 39:01
  Speaker 4: Junior's copy. It was autographed directly to JFK Jr. He
• 39:05
  Speaker 4: apparently he was friends with Henry Hurt that they loved
• 39:08
  Speaker 4: hanging out with him and Darryl who had just finished
• 39:12
  Speaker 4: up shooting Splash, the movie the Mermaid movie from you
• 39:15
  Speaker 4: know the eighties. It's when the mid eighties, it's when
• 39:18
  Speaker 4: the book came out. So apparently he knew JFK Jr.
• 39:22
  Speaker 4: When he was dating Daryl Hannah or married to or
• 39:24
  Speaker 4: whatever they had going on. And he autographed his copy
• 39:28
  Speaker 4: of his book to JFK Jr. And I bought it
• 39:32
  Speaker 4: off of Amazon for nineteen bucks. I wanted a physical
• 39:37
  Speaker 4: copy because it's a great book, first of all, and secondly,
• 39:44
  Speaker 4: it has that chapter in there all right about a
• 39:51
  Speaker 4: fellow other than that with the last name of Easterling. Okay,
• 39:56
  Speaker 4: who tells a story about a street fracas that occurred
• 40:06
  Speaker 4: outside of Orris Pena's bar, excuse me, pooh, And this
• 40:14
  Speaker 4: would have been earlier, much earlier than the one that
• 40:22
  Speaker 4: happened on August ninth on Canal Street. What was interesting
• 40:29
  Speaker 4: about that that supported his claim, okay, was the fact
• 40:33
  Speaker 4: that Lee Oswald wrote a letter to the Fair Play
• 40:36
  Speaker 4: for Cuba Committee on August the first, which was eight
• 40:39
  Speaker 4: days before the supposed street fracas on Canal Street went down,
• 40:45
  Speaker 4: in which he describes a street fracus okay, that the
• 40:50
  Speaker 4: police were called YadA, YadA, YadA, and he calls them,
• 40:54
  Speaker 4: you know, gusinos, which is the worms. But of course
• 41:03
  Speaker 4: the fracus on Canal Street hadn't happened yet when he
• 41:06
  Speaker 4: wrote this letter to Vt. Lee of the Fair Play
• 41:08
  Speaker 4: for Cuba Committee. But what it does is create a
• 41:16
  Speaker 4: scenario of maybe him trying to do something to impress Vt. Lee,
• 41:23
  Speaker 4: who was the president of the Fair Play for Cuba Committee,
• 41:25
  Speaker 4: to get him to officially sanction his New Orleans chapter
• 41:28
  Speaker 4: as legitimate. You know, so he's writing him and letting
• 41:32
  Speaker 4: him know. Now. The next time he did write him
• 41:35
  Speaker 4: a little later in August, you know, he actually supplied Vt.
• 41:40
  Speaker 4: Lee with a copy of his arrest report to prove,
• 41:45
  Speaker 4: you know that he was what he was doing in
• 41:47
  Speaker 4: New Orleans. The August first letter doesn't have that. And
• 41:55
  Speaker 4: you know, nobody's ever heard of this Easterland guy. You know, like,
• 41:58
  Speaker 4: who the hell was he? He read this chapter in
• 42:01
  Speaker 4: Henry Hurd's book about this guy. You know, he's not
• 42:04
  Speaker 4: really anybody too terribly important. He was just apparently a
• 42:08
  Speaker 4: guy that was in the right places at the right
• 42:12
  Speaker 4: times to see certain things. He was, you know, he
• 42:15
  Speaker 4: operated kind of on the wrong side of the law.
• 42:19
  Speaker 4: And he happened to hang out at this bar, and
• 42:22
  Speaker 4: he happened to see what happened with Lee Oswald. He
• 42:27
  Speaker 4: got in a fight with some Cuban exiles and apparently
• 42:35
  Speaker 4: it spit. They got kicked out of the bar, it
• 42:37
  Speaker 4: spilled out on the street. They beat Oswald's ass. The
• 42:41
  Speaker 4: cops show up and tell everybody to leave. Nobody got
• 42:43
  Speaker 4: nobody got arrested, wasn't called on film. Nothing. And the
• 42:50
  Speaker 4: guy who related this story to Henry Hurt was the
• 42:54
  Speaker 4: guy with the last name of Easterly right not to
• 42:58
  Speaker 4: be confused with Jake Esterline of the CIA j M Wave.
• 43:02
  Speaker 4: Different different people here, but so I'm reading this interview
• 43:07
  Speaker 4: with Betty Parrott again and this is what jumped off
• 43:12
  Speaker 4: the page and slapped me in the face. It seems
• 43:17
  Speaker 4: that Bill Dalzel lived in her home for a certain
• 43:19
  Speaker 4: period of time. During the time that Bill lived in
• 43:21
  Speaker 4: her home, she said that he was involved with a
• 43:23
  Speaker 4: group known as the Friends of Cuba. This group had
• 43:27
  Speaker 4: its office in the Balter Building. Members of the group
• 43:29
  Speaker 4: included Sergio or Kasha Smith, Bill Craig, Bill Dalzel, Grady Durham,
• 43:34
  Speaker 4: Kyle Banister, Ed Butler, and an individual named Logan who
• 43:39
  Speaker 4: was also a member of the CIA, Bill Klein, an attorney,
• 43:42
  Speaker 4: Reads Kennedy, a member of the FBI, an individual named Hoffmann,
• 43:46
  Speaker 4: and an individual named Easterling. Right there in black and
• 43:53
  Speaker 4: white underlined you can't make this shit up, folks. Betty
• 44:05
  Speaker 4: Parrot's informant game very good. So it seems to me
• 44:11
  Speaker 4: like whatever she's saying, she's got some good info, She's
• 44:16
  Speaker 4: got some good info. Yeah, Yeah, very cool, James, Yeah,
• 44:30
  Speaker 4: I had the PDF version of the book for a
• 44:33
  Speaker 4: very long time. I wanted an actual copy to actually
• 44:37
  Speaker 4: go on the old bookshelf, and I didn't even know
• 44:40
  Speaker 4: it was autographed. All I said was very good condition
• 44:45
  Speaker 4: collectible nineteen bucks so and then when the guy here
• 44:50
  Speaker 4: opened it up, I was like, Damn, I got JBK.
• 44:54
  Speaker 4: Junior's copy. He never cracked it, But that's okay, Uh,
• 45:01
  Speaker 4: you know I did. I cracked it all right. Continuing
• 45:08
  Speaker 4: with the theme of the show, June twenty first, nineteen
• 45:17
  Speaker 4: and sixty seven, this is an FBI document to J
• 45:23
  Speaker 4: Edgar Hoover and Dallas from New Orleans, New Orleans files
• 45:31
  Speaker 4: revealed Gene.
• 45:32
  Speaker 2: Davis aka Eugene Davis aka the guy Dean Andrews said
• 45:39
  Speaker 2: was Clay SHAWL Folks, is identical with Eugene Claire Davis,
• 45:47
  Speaker 2: who is n O eleven eight nine dash C, an
• 45:52
  Speaker 2: active symbol number informant of the New Orleans Office Bureau
• 45:57
  Speaker 2: File one three seven seven three eighty six New Orleans
• 46:01
  Speaker 2: File one three seven DASH one four three five. A
• 46:08
  Speaker 2: PCI Potential Criminal Informant file on Davis was opened on
• 46:12
  Speaker 2: April twenty eighth, nineteen sixty and he was designated a
• 46:18
  Speaker 2: symbol number informant on October eleventh, nineteen sixty one.
• 46:25
  Speaker 4: So there you have it, folks, Eugene Davis paid FBI
• 46:32
  Speaker 4: informant mister Clay Shaw according to Dean Andrews, running the
• 46:39
  Speaker 4: Court of the two Sisters for the Marcellos and whose
• 46:44
  Speaker 4: waiters have some very fantastic tales about a gay Lee
• 46:48
  Speaker 4: Harvey Oswald. And if you'd like to read there's details,
• 46:54
  Speaker 4: just look up the HCA interview of Leander Davy. That's
• 46:59
  Speaker 4: de Aposta. If he av y Leander Davy juicy juicy stuff,
• 47:10
  Speaker 4: that's right, Trey won't there it is? Yeah, I can't remember.
• 47:21
  Speaker 4: I mean, you know it's down there close to Louisiana,
• 47:23
  Speaker 4: right across the border. I don't know, I don't know.
• 47:29
  Speaker 4: It's all uh, very suspect. Yeah, easter Ling was a
• 47:36
  Speaker 4: typical rough, seedy character. Yeah, you know, it's it's crazy.
• 47:43
  Speaker 4: You know, you got all this stuff over overlapping, overlapping, overlapping,
• 47:48
  Speaker 4: running around. You know, we got informants confirming information. I mean,
• 47:55
  Speaker 4: it's just crazy, crazy talk. All right. This next one,
• 48:04
  Speaker 4: actually the next two, the Campbell brothers, Dan and Al.
• 48:10
  Speaker 4: We're gonna talk about Al first, okay, Al Campbell, And
• 48:17
  Speaker 4: of course this comes from moo sheianbro again. Today I
• 48:22
  Speaker 4: interviewed Al Campbell, who told me that he worked for
• 48:25
  Speaker 4: Banister around fifty eight and fifty nine and then again
• 48:28
  Speaker 4: around sixty two to sixty three. He said he did
• 48:31
  Speaker 4: everything everything for Banister, which range from investigator to undercover
• 48:36
  Speaker 4: work trying to get information on communist groups in the city. Okay,
• 48:44
  Speaker 4: so here you have somebody telling you exactly what's going
• 48:47
  Speaker 4: on in the Banister office. He said that Banister liked
• 48:54
  Speaker 4: him and gave him the keys to his files. However,
• 48:57
  Speaker 4: he said there were some files that only Banistered had
• 49:00
  Speaker 4: access to. He said that Celia Pizzo knew Banister very
• 49:05
  Speaker 4: well and may be able to give us more information.
• 49:09
  Speaker 4: He said that he never saw Shawl with Oswald or
• 49:11
  Speaker 4: Faery or Banister for that matter. He said joe Anne
• 49:16
  Speaker 4: Burton was a secretary for Banister in sixty two and
• 49:18
  Speaker 4: maybe able to give us some information about the files.
• 49:22
  Speaker 4: Note that he didn't say that He didn't say that
• 49:27
  Speaker 4: he didn't see Oswald or Ferry with Banister. He said
• 49:30
  Speaker 4: he never saw Shawl with Oswald or Fairist or Fairy
• 49:35
  Speaker 4: or Banister, which is interesting. He says that he remembers
• 49:40
  Speaker 4: a tiger Jim Ivy, whose name came up in connection
• 49:44
  Speaker 4: with the Friends of Democratic CUA and Bob Grant as
• 49:48
  Speaker 4: two people. These are two more people who were working
• 49:51
  Speaker 4: under cover with Banister. He says that he remembers these
• 49:54
  Speaker 4: two individuals because they were bad actors and capable of
• 49:58
  Speaker 4: doing anything Banished asked him to do. He said that
• 50:02
  Speaker 4: both have New Orleans police records and both are ex Marines,
• 50:07
  Speaker 4: so it seems that Banister liked to use former Marines
• 50:11
  Speaker 4: in his undercover operations. HM HM, just saying. Campbell said
• 50:23
  Speaker 4: that Banister worked closely with ray Hoff and the CIA,
• 50:28
  Speaker 4: and had a lot to do with the overthrow of
• 50:31
  Speaker 4: President or Benz of Guatemala. Campbell said that Banister worked
• 50:36
  Speaker 4: closely with both the CIA and the FBI. Campbell said
• 50:40
  Speaker 4: that in September fifty nine, he helped train the Guatemalan
• 50:43
  Speaker 4: Airborne for President Fuentes in Guatemala. Campbell said that Tiger
• 50:48
  Speaker 4: Jim Ivy was an ex boxer who worked as a
• 50:51
  Speaker 4: barker at the El Morocco bar on Bourbon Street. Campbell
• 50:56
  Speaker 4: said that he was with Carrie Thornley and Carl Bach
• 50:59
  Speaker 4: in the Bourbon House on the night of the assassination.
• 51:03
  Speaker 4: He said that Carrie Thornley told him in the presence
• 51:06
  Speaker 4: of Bach, that he knew had known that he Thornley
• 51:10
  Speaker 4: had known Oswald in New Orleans. Thornley said that he
• 51:14
  Speaker 4: disagreed with the newspaper reports about Oswald in New Orleans
• 51:17
  Speaker 4: and stated that Oswald was in New Orleans more times
• 51:19
  Speaker 4: than the paper stated. Thornley told him at the time
• 51:23
  Speaker 4: that he had wrote a book about Oswald, and Oswald
• 51:26
  Speaker 4: either saw him or stayed with him while he was
• 51:28
  Speaker 4: in New Orleans. Thornley also told Campbell and Bach, while
• 51:32
  Speaker 4: looking at television reports of the assassination that quote it
• 51:36
  Speaker 4: could not have happened to a nicer guy, referring to Kennedy.
• 51:41
  Speaker 4: Bach then got angry at Thornley and told him to
• 51:43
  Speaker 4: shut the fuck up. Campbell also said that he knew
• 51:49
  Speaker 4: Ferry from the lake Front Airport. He said that he
• 51:51
  Speaker 4: has never seen Fairy with Shawl. He said that when
• 51:55
  Speaker 4: Fairy's picture appeared in the paper in regard to our investigation,
• 51:58
  Speaker 4: Ferry had told him in confidence, quote, I'm a dead man,
• 52:05
  Speaker 4: and he didn't elaborate. Campbell said that when he and
• 52:10
  Speaker 4: his brother Dan were in the beth Lehem Orphans Home
• 52:19
  Speaker 4: and were there at the same time that Oswald was
• 52:21
  Speaker 4: there around nineteen forty five forty six, So the Campbell
• 52:26
  Speaker 4: brothers were in the Bethlehem Orphan House at the same
• 52:30
  Speaker 4: time as Oswald, so they knew the guy. They freaking
• 52:34
  Speaker 4: knew who he was. Campbell says that he remembers seeing
• 52:43
  Speaker 4: John Meadows somewhere around the quarter, possibly with Thornley. He
• 52:46
  Speaker 4: also said there was a CIA man who worked closely
• 52:49
  Speaker 4: with Banister by the name of Jim. This person also
• 52:53
  Speaker 4: worked as an announcer for Wnoe Noe. I can't remember
• 53:02
  Speaker 4: who that is, hmm. Interesting. Campbell said that he also
• 53:08
  Speaker 4: knows Gordon Novell and he's the one that actually introduced
• 53:12
  Speaker 4: Novelle to his wife, Marlene Mancuso of Mancuso's restaurant. Rapicide
• 53:18
  Speaker 4: Guy Banisters Detective Agency in the Balter Building. Campbell also
• 53:26
  Speaker 4: kept asking if we ever talked with al Boboff. He
• 53:29
  Speaker 4: seems to believe that Boboff can help us. He also
• 53:33
  Speaker 4: asked if there is a possibility that we may have
• 53:35
  Speaker 4: Shaw and Banister mixed up. I told him we would
• 53:39
  Speaker 4: check out some of the information that he gave us
• 53:41
  Speaker 4: and contact him again, and he said he would be
• 53:43
  Speaker 4: glad to help. Campbell admitted that he seemed to have
• 53:45
  Speaker 4: come into contact with many of these people whose names
• 53:47
  Speaker 4: have come up in our investigation. He said that he
• 53:50
  Speaker 4: would try to think of anything that would be of
• 53:52
  Speaker 4: some benefit to us. He can be reached at Flight
• 53:55
  Speaker 4: Incorporated at the lake Front Airport. Yeah, we're getting in there.
• 54:04
  Speaker 4: What's up, Mike, Welcome in. You're late, sir, you're late.
• 54:08
  Speaker 4: That's okay. Yeah wow, I mean there's all kinds of
• 54:13
  Speaker 4: crazy shit going on here. Lee. We're not done yet
• 54:17
  Speaker 4: because now we move on to Al's brother, Dan Dan Campbell.
• 54:24
  Speaker 4: So this doesn't just come from one guy one randoh
• 54:31
  Speaker 4: that's been around Vanish's office. He also had a brother
• 54:34
  Speaker 4: named Dan, and of course Mumu interviewed him. He says,
• 54:39
  Speaker 4: I interviewed Dan Campbell, who's currently living at three oh
• 54:41
  Speaker 4: nine Leeway Drive and Batton Rouge. That's the redstick Louisiana
• 54:46
  Speaker 4: blah blah blah telephone number. Campbell informed me that he
• 54:49
  Speaker 4: did work at the Lakefront Airport for a while, but
• 54:51
  Speaker 4: did not work out there until after a Fairy's death.
• 54:55
  Speaker 4: He told me that he would get the name of
• 54:56
  Speaker 4: a policeman on the New Orleans Police Force who told
• 54:59
  Speaker 4: me that Ferry and Oswald were together at the lake
• 55:02
  Speaker 4: Front Airport. He said that this policeman seemed to defend
• 55:06
  Speaker 4: Fairry quite a bit. He also told me that we
• 55:09
  Speaker 4: should talk to Samuel Williams, who was on the New
• 55:11
  Speaker 4: Orleans Police Force and who was in the Marine Corps
• 55:14
  Speaker 4: with Leearvy Oswald at LTA in Santa Monica, California. Campbell
• 55:23
  Speaker 4: stated that he worked at Kazimo's Bar, and we've talked
• 55:28
  Speaker 4: about Cozimos before as a bartender, and Clay Shaw used
• 55:33
  Speaker 4: to come in just about every afternoon for a drink
• 55:36
  Speaker 4: or two. He said Shaw always sat with the same
• 55:39
  Speaker 4: group of people who were all homosexuals. He said that
• 55:44
  Speaker 4: Bill Steele owned the bar and was a member of
• 55:48
  Speaker 4: the Shaw Click. He said that this was during the
• 55:52
  Speaker 4: spring and summer of nineteen sixty three. Campbell said that
• 55:56
  Speaker 4: Oswald faced. Oswald's face looks familiar, but he can't place it.
• 56:01
  Speaker 4: Campbell said he worked for Banister in the summer of
• 56:03
  Speaker 4: sixty three as an investigator. He said that Delphine Roberts
• 56:08
  Speaker 4: was Banister's secretary and was closest to Banister. He said
• 56:13
  Speaker 4: that he remembers being in Banish's office one day when
• 56:15
  Speaker 4: Delphine came in and told him that there was a
• 56:18
  Speaker 4: communist giving out literature on the corner of Canal and
• 56:20
  Speaker 4: camp He said that he took a walk down there,
• 56:24
  Speaker 4: but when he got there, everybody was gone. Campbell said
• 56:28
  Speaker 4: that he was involved in anti castro activity in the
• 56:30
  Speaker 4: summer of sixty three. Pay attention, folks. He said that
• 56:35
  Speaker 4: he and Al Perrin, Perrin's wife Rose Marie, and Ralph Latappi,
• 56:41
  Speaker 4: who has a brother on the New Orleans Police Force,
• 56:44
  Speaker 4: had a boat named the Mariner, which they were using
• 56:48
  Speaker 4: in conjunction with their anti castro activities. Campbell said that
• 56:52
  Speaker 4: Perrin owned the boat and that they were faded out here,
• 56:56
  Speaker 4: which is a shame. So we'll just slide on to
• 57:01
  Speaker 4: the next page. Campbell said that the supplies were being
• 57:16
  Speaker 4: the inventory orse no being supplied. The supplies were being
• 57:22
  Speaker 4: supplied by the CIA, and actually had the United States
• 57:26
  Speaker 4: Government stenciled on the boxes. Campbell says he does not
• 57:33
  Speaker 4: know Shawl and did not know Ferry at the time
• 57:39
  Speaker 4: he was working for Banister. He would later come to
• 57:42
  Speaker 4: know him, though. Campbell said that Akasha told them that
• 57:45
  Speaker 4: the Marty Gras Corporation would furnish guns and supplies for
• 57:50
  Speaker 4: them to take the Cuba. Campbell said they kept their
• 57:53
  Speaker 4: boat at the Fort Pike Canal. Campbell said that he
• 57:57
  Speaker 4: was never at the training camp across the lake person
• 58:00
  Speaker 4: but knew of its existence. He said that Al Perrin
• 58:05
  Speaker 4: could tell us where the training camp was. He also
• 58:07
  Speaker 4: said that Ed Thorpe, who hangs out at the Annex,
• 58:11
  Speaker 4: used to go to the training camp across the lake.
• 58:14
  Speaker 4: He said that Thorpe was a gun nut and had
• 58:16
  Speaker 4: the Liberty Gun Sales store in Covington, Louisiana. He said
• 58:20
  Speaker 4: that Thorpe had been a Green Beret in the Army.
• 58:25
  Speaker 4: Now he ever, gets interesting, folks. Campbell said that while
• 58:29
  Speaker 4: working for Banister in connection with the National States Rights Party,
• 58:35
  Speaker 4: and this is, you know, part of the thing that
• 58:39
  Speaker 4: you know, it's like the super clan right that mil
• 58:45
  Speaker 4: Tier and all them were part of the National States
• 58:49
  Speaker 4: Rights Party, he met a man who introduced himself as
• 58:52
  Speaker 4: James Earl Ray. He later found out that this person's
• 59:00
  Speaker 4: real name was Ray Learhart, who used to drive the
• 59:04
  Speaker 4: magazine street bus for public service. He said that he
• 59:10
  Speaker 4: introduced this man to Derek and Mona Freyer, who were
• 59:14
  Speaker 4: associated with the Blue Shirts of Louisiana. So wait, what
• 59:22
  Speaker 4: could you imagine if James Earl Ray used to drive
• 59:24
  Speaker 4: os Wall to work on the magazine street Bus when
• 59:28
  Speaker 4: he was working at Riley Coffee Company. How fucking ironic
• 59:31
  Speaker 4: would that be? I'm sorry, my mind is getting blown
• 59:40
  Speaker 4: over here. Wow. Campbell said that all this happened to
• 59:46
  Speaker 4: him after he got out of the Marine Corps in
• 59:48
  Speaker 4: September sixty one after three years of service. So Campbell
• 59:51
  Speaker 4: Dan is a former marine as well. Campbell said that
• 59:56
  Speaker 4: while he was working at Cosimo's, he saw Dean Andrews,
• 59:59
  Speaker 4: who would come into the place occasionally. He said that
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 4: the person who talked to Shaw more than anyone else
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 4: there was a man named Captain Bob Hi there, I'm
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 4: Captain Bob Hey Clay, Hey, you knowing, sir, you're looking good?
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 4: Name of the Clay. He said that Bill Boone and
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 4: Ed were also a part of the Shaw group. Campbell
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 4: said that he cannot play Shaw with either Ferry or Oswald.
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 4: Campbell also said that Oswald studied at the latter library
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 4: and the library in the John Hancock Building. He said
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 4: that he checked out books from both places. So we
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 4: just did a show not too long ago about Oswald's
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 4: public library goings on. So how the hell would he
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 4: know that Oswald's checking checking books out of the library
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 4: and reading them if he didn't actually know. I mean,
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 4: that's something pretty damn specific to say, right, It's not
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 4: like everybody back then went to the library, especially if
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 4: you're in that kind of you know, underworld, Millie, if
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 4: you will. He also said that Benign Breath worked closely
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 4: with Banister and they exchanged information. Now, I don't know
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 4: if that's some kind of religious or Jewish organization or
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 4: what that is. Benign Beareth. He says that Banister was
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 4: a fanatic on communism and had files on everybody. Everybody, folks, everybody, everybody.
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 4: Scott you killing me? Oh, Captain Bob hunging out on
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 4: the poop deck. Oh boy, easy, James, easy, James. I'm good.
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 4: Thank you, Roger, thank you, thank you, thank you. Oh boy,
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 4: I love it. The Jewish charity, Okay, but I betted
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 4: that's what I was looking for. He said that on
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 4: the day that Delphine Roberts came into the office and said,
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 4: those communists are on Canal Street giving out leaflets, Banister
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 4: was talking to Jack Martin. He said that Banister just
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 4: looked at Delphine and laughed. He said that he thought
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 4: that this was peculiar in light of Banister's hatred for communists,
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 4: he asked or he said that Banister never told him
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 4: to check it out, but he went and checked it
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 4: out on his own. Interesting. That's the Campbell brothers, folks,
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 4: who seemed to be talking a lot the time of
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 4: the Garrison investigation. M let's see what is this? I
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 4: know I got this for a reason. Okay, okay, this
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 4: is a report from John Voles March first, nineteen sixty seven. Oh,
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 4: pardon me. I had occasion to interview in mister Charles,
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 4: not toll, no toe, mister Charles. Note an ex Levee
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 4: Board police officer. He told me that he remembers arresting A.
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 4: Lee Harvey Oswald in October or November of nineteen sixty two.
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 4: Note the dates here, folks. Yes, Oswald was back in
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 4: the States at this time. Was he in New Orleans
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 4: at this time? Allegedly No? Officially no, but possibly sure.
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 4: Now this is a police officer, a Levy Board police officer.
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 4: He told me he remembers arresting Lee Harvey Oswald in
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 4: October or November of nineteen sixty two on Breakwater Road.
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 4: Quote it was called the point excuse me, on the
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 4: Lake Front in New Orleans. He made the arrest after
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 4: noticing Oswald and another white male whom he identifies as
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 4: Celso Hernandez from our photographs together in a white panel
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 4: truck at a late hour. Now, for those of you
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 4: who don't know who Celso Hernandez is, we'll get there,
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 4: I promise. Let's just know that. Fast forward from this
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 4: time of the arrest another in less than a year,
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 4: he would be arrested with Lee Harvey Oswald on Canal
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 4: Street with Carlos Brignier and Miguel Cruz for creating a
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 4: fracas in the street in New Orleans for fighting Lee
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 4: Harvey Oswald allegedly. But now we have Oswald getting arrested
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 4: with this motherfucker in nineteen sixty two, so let's continue.
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 4: Apparently they were arrested together in a white panel truck
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 4: at a late hour, with Hernandez driving. He recalls the
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 4: truck belonged to an electronics firm, but he cannot recall
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 4: the name. At the time of the arrest, Oswald became
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 4: very belligerent and went into a spiel about Gestapo tactics
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 4: sounds legit already, and identified himself as being with the
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 4: fair play for Cuba committee. He demanded to see the
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 4: officer in charge. I mean, it sounds like some shit
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 4: that Oswald would say, right. Both Oswald and Hernandez were
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 4: brought to the Levy Board police headquarters on the lake Front,
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 4: where after a closed door session with Marcel Champon, the
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 4: officer in charge. He Champon then told Noto to release
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 4: both men with no charges. Hernandez had obviously told the
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 4: officers that he was employed by an electronics firm on
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 4: Broad Street and the truck, a Chevier Dodge, belonged to them.
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 4: Noto further recalled in October or November sixty two that
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 4: he Noto helped immigration officers surround the house in Lakeview
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 4: on Spanish Fort Boulevard. He can point out the house.
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 4: Noto said that according to federal agents, they were looking
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 4: for Cuban refugees, and he thinks that the agents told
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 4: him that Ferry was supposed to fly them to Cuba.
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 4: The only person in the house, turns out, was a
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 4: Spanish woman. Also president at this time were Patrolman Albert
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 4: Mancuso nice last name, and Superintendent Joseph Cronin. Now, for
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 4: those of you very skeptical to just believe that one
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 4: Charles NOTO. You know, a lowly Levy Board police officer.
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 4: Why should we believe this one guy? This is just
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 4: a story, right well. Also president in the station at
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 4: the time that Oswald and Hernandez were brought in were
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 4: Patrolman Albert Mancuso again okay, a Jack Glieber and David
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 4: Lusteau Eldred Mackie was Noto's partner who participated in the
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 4: arrest as well. All of these men are available for interview.
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 4: So this ain't just one man saying all this crazy shit.
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 4: We have a police officer stating something very specific that
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 4: Oswald and Selso Hernandez were arrested in a panel truck
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 4: very late at night on a lake front in New Orleans.
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 4: Oswald became belligerent, went into a spiel bout Gestapo tactics,
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 4: and identified himself as being with a Fair Play for
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 4: Cuba Committee. He demanded to see the officer in charge.
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 4: They were both brought to the Levy Board police headquarters
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 4: on the lake front, where, after a closed door session
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 4: with Marcel Champallon, the officer in charge told them to
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 4: release both men with no charges. So what exactly did
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 4: Selso and Oswald tell this guy, I mean, who knows
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 4: what they were doing there? Were they doing anything illegal?
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 4: I don't know. Were they asking each other's ds and that?
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 4: I don't know? I mean, who knows. But the fact
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 4: that they were arrested together less than a year before
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 4: they were arrested again on Canal Street is a little
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 4: suss that these guys actually knew each other, right, Like, like,
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 4: what the hell? Now? To s implement that, I'm going
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 4: to read you a little bit of what Selso Hernandez
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 4: said at the time of his arrest with Oswald. Hernandez
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 4: stated that he came to the United States via Miami, Florida,
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 4: on October the ninth, nineteen sixty two, so he would
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 4: have been in New Orleans at the time of this
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 4: alleged arrest with Lee Oswald. He came to New Orleans.
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 4: Oh no, he claims he didn't come to New Orleans
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 4: until January eighth, nineteen sixty three. Isn't that something. He
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 4: has not had any employment except for a few days
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 4: of manual labor and is presently on relief or welfare.
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 4: So this dude don't have a job, but he's supposedly
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 4: the truck was that they were in. Was was from
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 4: an electronics firm that he supposedly worked at, but yet
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 4: he's never had a job. So what the hell were
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 4: Oswald and him up to in an electronics truck sitting
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 4: at the lakefront? I don't know. So this is his
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 4: official statement to the New Orleans PD. Fernandez stated that
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 4: he saw Oswald at approximately one thirty pm on August
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 4: and ninth, passing out communist literature, and he went and
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 4: got his friends at one o seven Decatur Street, and
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 4: at first they were unable to locate the subject of Oswald.
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 4: When they got on the Canal Street streetcar, they rode
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 4: to Jeff Davis Avenue, and not being able to locate Oswald,
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 4: they returned to one oh seven Decatur Street, that is
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 4: the Caso Rocal retail clothing store ran by Carlos Brigner.
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 4: They remained there until someone came in and told them
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 4: where Wald was exactly, and he doesn't say who told
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 4: them now, mind you. They then proceeded to that location
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 4: where the three of them were carrying the sign described
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 4: information relative to Carlos Brignier in this memo. They then
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 4: began to argue with Oswald and a crowd gathered and
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 4: they were all four arrested by police. Hernandez stated they
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 4: had never seen or met Lee Harvey Oswald before this day,
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 4: but if he was arrested with him less than a
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 4: year before, then he knew who the hell this Oswald
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 4: guy was. And we'll get into this sign that they're
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 4: talking about here. Apparently we've all heard that Oswald was
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 4: wearing a Viva Fidel placard right around his neck, some
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 4: you know ghetto you know, hand painted wood sign or
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 4: card board sign or whatever he had going on there.
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 4: But apparently Brignia had a sign too, and it was
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 4: a big ass sign that it took all three of
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 4: them to carry information as they marched down the street.
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 4: But we'll get to that in a second. What I
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 4: wanted to point out here is I've talked about on
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 4: the show, uh, the the report the agent, the agent
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 4: Quigley of the FBI did about his interview with Lee
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 4: Harvey Oswald that allegedly Oswald asked for you know, He's like,
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 4: I want to talk to somebody from the FBI, and
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 4: they sent Quigley in right and then he turned his
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 4: his report into Milton Cock, who was a special one
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 4: of the UH Special Agents there in New Orleans, and
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 4: that's where we get the milton Cock Report of late
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 4: October from that is in the the Warren Report. But
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 4: before Oswald's interview with the FBI, the New Orleans Police
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 4: Department interviewed him. In fact, they interviewed all four of
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 4: these all four of these guys separately. But I had
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 4: never actually seen the interview with Lee Harvey Oswald done
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 4: by Sergeant Horace Austin and Patrolman Warren Roberts. And this
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 4: was the interview of the four male subjects at the
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 4: First District Police station on Friday, August ninth, after their
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 4: arrest from Canal Street. So this is the first time
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 4: the New Orleans PD is talking to Lee Harvey Oswal. Okay,
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 4: this before he talks to the FBI. It's an interesting
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 4: en because there is a lot of miss or dis
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 4: information in here, whichever whatever you want to call it.
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 4: That's very interesting. So we'll start with this. One of
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 4: the four subjects, identified as Lee Harvey Oswald, a white
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 4: male aged twenty three, residing at four nine oh seven
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 4: Magazine Street, had allegedly been distributing communist literature on Canal
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 4: Street and three Cubans. The three other arrested subjects had
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 4: become involved in an altercation with Oswald, which resulted in
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 4: the arrest of the four subjects. Lee Harvey Oswald furnished
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 4: the following the information when interviewed. Here we go. He
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 4: is a member of the Affair Play for Cuba Committee,
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 4: which is the first thing out of his mouth, whose
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 4: address is seven nine to nine Broadway, New York, New
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 4: York telephone blah, blah, blah. Oswald had in his possession
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 4: a national membership card issued on five twenty eight sixty three,
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 4: and the president's name on this card was A. V. T. Lee.
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 4: Oswald also had a local membership card dated six six
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 4: sixty six six sixty three New Orleans Chapter of the FPCC,
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 4: and the president of the local chapter, whose name was
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 4: on the card was A. A. Highdel. Oswald presented his
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 4: Social Security card, which did not bear his signature, and
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 4: the number of this card was Oswald oh. They They
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 4: redacted that Oswald presented his US Marine Corps discharge card
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 4: in parentheses Honorable oh Shit, bearing service number one sixty
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 4: five three two three zero and a date of active
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 4: duty from twenty four October fifty six nine eleven fifty nine.
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 4: Oswald stated he was born in New Orleans on October eighteenth,
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 4: nineteen thirty nine, that he is about five nine tall,
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 4: about one forty pounds, soaking wet, and is a mechanic
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 4: by trade. A mechanic by trade. He stated he did
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 4: mechanic work in the Marine Corps. That's a lie. He
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 4: was a radar operator. So there's lie number one or
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 4: misinformation number one, whatever you want to call it. And
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 4: then he is presently unemployed and has been so for
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 4: about three weeks. Before he was quote laid off and
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 4: not fired. Oswald stated that he had worked at the
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 4: Louisiana Coffee Company and actually that's supposed to be the
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 4: losing Inna and Loisy Anne. I guess that's what they
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 4: call it, huh Lousy Ante Coffee Company, which same thing
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 4: as Riley for about three months. And before that he
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 4: had worked in Fort Worth, Texas at a sheet metal place.
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 4: Now it's interesting here that Oswald only gives a mechanical
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 4: previous jobs that he had. He left out quite a few.
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 4: They weren't mechanically inclined or related like Jagger's child Stowveall.
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 4: Let's see. Oswald stated he worked in Fort Worth at
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 4: a sheet metal place this would have been Leslie Welding
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 4: for several months, but was very evasive in answering any
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 4: further questions of employment prior to that time. Oswald stated
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 4: that he lives with his wife, whose maiden name is
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 4: Marina Pross Lie number two or disinformation number two, a
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 4: white female aged twenty one. They were married in fort Worth, Texas.
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 4: Line number three, have one child aged seventeen months, and
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 4: reside presently at four nine oh seven Magazine Street, Lower
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 4: Center of New Orleans. Oswald stated that he's got two
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 4: brothers who reside like his mother in Fort Worth, Texas.
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 4: He stated that his father, John Lee Oswald, that's a
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 4: lie and his name. His father's name was actually Robert
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 4: Lee Oswald. His father, John Lee Oswald, is now deceased.
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 4: Oswald's mother you ready for this one, Margaret Oswald, resides
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 4: by herself in fort Worth, Texas. Margaret not Marguerite. Margaret
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 4: Oswald's brother A Robert Oswald, white male aged twenty seven,
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 4: and a John Oswald, a white male aged thirty two.
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 4: Now his brother John's last name was Pike p I c.
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 4: His last name was never Oswald. They had a different
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 4: father than Lee and Robert. Interesting. That's the lie number four.
• 1:20:36
  Speaker 4: I believe we're up to. Oswald stated that he talked
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 4: to Major tross Claire about getting a permit for the
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 4: fpccc or I'm sorry the FPCC, and the Major advised
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 4: him to consult as attorney. Oswald said he never did
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 4: go and see about a permit at city hall. Oswald
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 4: further stated that the Cubans that came up to him
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 4: when he was giving out the leaflets and began to
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 4: tear them up and them in the street. Oswald stated
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 4: that they started to yell that he was a communist,
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 4: and about the same time the officers from the first
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 4: District came up and a crowd gathered. Oswald stated that
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 4: he joined the Fair Play for Cuba Committee when he
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 4: found a leaflet on the street one day and read
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 4: what was on it, and he sent five bucks to
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 4: the address, which was in New York City, and after
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 4: a brief period of time, he was sent material through
• 1:21:23
  Speaker 4: the mail and contacted locally, and he started to attend
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 4: the meetings, which he stated were held in each other's houses.
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 4: Lie number five. Oswald stated of the day the members
• 1:21:34
  Speaker 4: get together and talk about how it would be to
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 4: visit Cuba and life in Cuba, et cetera. Lie number six.
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 4: I know it's lies because there were no other members
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 4: of the Fair Play for Cuba Committee allegedly in New Orleans,
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 4: at least overtly or officially. Oswald declined orn that the
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 4: organization was communist or e Communist front when asked by
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 4: Captain James Arnold, commanding officer of the first Police District,
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 4: who came in during the interview. But Oswald had in
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 4: his possession and was carrying a piece of cardboard with
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 4: Viva la Fedel painted on it, and the paraphernalia he
• 1:22:22
  Speaker 4: was handing out was pasted on this cardboard placard as well.
• 1:22:27
  Speaker 4: Oswald stated that he's never been to Cuba, and it
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 4: appears as though he is being used by these people
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 4: and is very uninformed and knows very little about this
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 4: organization that he belongs to and its ultimate purpose or goal.
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 4: Oswald stated that the people that attend these informal meetings
• 1:22:45
  Speaker 4: are working class people such as clerical, tradesmen, etc. So,
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 4: right there, in a very brief interview with the New
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 4: Orleans Police Department, you have a series of five or
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 4: six lies blatant diss or misinformation. And he did the
• 1:23:04
  Speaker 4: same thing with Quigley when he came in, he told
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 4: him all kinds of wild shit. But these are not
• 1:23:12
  Speaker 4: just simple mistakes, I mean Oswald. But no, he didn't
• 1:23:15
  Speaker 4: marry Marina in Fort Worth. He knows her name is
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 4: not Marina Pross. He knows his mother's name is not Margarette.
• 1:23:24
  Speaker 4: He knows his brother's name is not John Oswald. He
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 4: knows his father's name is not John Lee Oswald. So
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 4: what in the hell, what the hell? And again you
• 1:23:38
  Speaker 4: have this skel celso Hernandez with Brignier that he supposedly
• 1:23:44
  Speaker 4: got arrested with. And whoever this other jack asked Miguel
• 1:23:49
  Speaker 4: Cruz is let's see to find the piece. Yeah, okay,
• 1:24:06
  Speaker 4: these dates are interesting, folks, So I'm trying to see
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 4: when bring Yea, let's see it says his first job
• 1:24:29
  Speaker 4: in New Orleans when he got there, was with a
• 1:24:31
  Speaker 4: California redwood produce company owned by mister Levy bring A
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 4: stated that he worked there for two whole days. Okay.
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 4: Brigyey then worked at Max Discount House located at Canal
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 4: Street for about one year, beginning April first, nineteen sixty one,
• 1:24:49
  Speaker 4: So apparently bring Yer first came to New Orleans in
• 1:24:54
  Speaker 4: March of nineteen sixty one. Bring Ay then became a
• 1:24:57
  Speaker 4: self employed peddler in April of sixty two with his
• 1:25:01
  Speaker 4: brother in law of Orlando. They bought clothing and radio's
• 1:25:05
  Speaker 4: wholesale and went aboard ships to sell them to sailors.
• 1:25:09
  Speaker 4: Brignia stated that he had a Port Security card. Brinay
• 1:25:14
  Speaker 4: then stated that on October the first, nineteen sixty two,
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 4: Now this is close to the dates when Selso and
• 1:25:19
  Speaker 4: Oswald were arrested together, he opened officially the Cosa Roca
• 1:25:24
  Speaker 4: Clothing store at one O seven Decatur Street, right beside
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 4: Ores Painty's Bar, the Habana Bar, right on the corner
• 1:25:32
  Speaker 4: of Decatur and Canal Street, and has been working there
• 1:25:36
  Speaker 4: until this date. Brinia stated that he keeps the sign
• 1:25:42
  Speaker 4: that was in the Cuban's possession at the time of
• 1:25:44
  Speaker 4: the arrest in his store. This sign measures three feet
• 1:25:48
  Speaker 4: by four feet, So these three donkeys are carrying this gigantic,
• 1:25:54
  Speaker 4: gigantic sign down Canal Street to confront Lee Harvey Oswald.
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 4: Now on this sign there is a picture of the
• 1:26:07
  Speaker 4: statue of Liberty, hand dagger and Cuba ring by two
• 1:26:19
  Speaker 4: links of the chain, and the sign reads danger only
• 1:26:24
  Speaker 4: ninety miles from USA, Cuba lies in chains. Brinai stated
• 1:26:36
  Speaker 4: that the sign was given to him by Arnesto Rodriguez, who,
• 1:26:43
  Speaker 4: by the way, was one of the first people that
• 1:26:48
  Speaker 4: Lee Oswald contacted. Arnesto Rodriguez ran the Berlitz School of
• 1:26:52
  Speaker 4: Languages in New York, and Oswald allegedly went there and
• 1:26:58
  Speaker 4: he wanted to know more about anti Castro Cuban exiles
• 1:27:03
  Speaker 4: in New Orleans and possibly helping to join the fight.
• 1:27:09
  Speaker 4: Arnesto Rodriguez, whose brother as a CIA agent and present
• 1:27:20
  Speaker 4: at the time of Oswald and the three Cubans arrest
• 1:27:23
  Speaker 4: on Canal Street. Uh Arnesto sent him or he's Arnesto
• 1:27:29
  Speaker 4: is the one that gave Oswald Carlos Brignier where to
• 1:27:34
  Speaker 4: find him, because before all this Canal Street fracus nonsense,
• 1:27:39
  Speaker 4: Oswald had went into Casa Rocca and talked to Carlos
• 1:27:42
  Speaker 4: and pretended that he was anti Castro as well, and
• 1:27:48
  Speaker 4: gave Carlos Brignier his Marine Corps hand training book and
• 1:27:52
  Speaker 4: told him that he wanted to help train these exiles
• 1:27:57
  Speaker 4: with gorilla tactics. So again you have all of this
• 1:28:06
  Speaker 4: bank to bank, to bank to bank the bank, all
• 1:28:09
  Speaker 4: of these people all wrapped up in this crazy vortex
• 1:28:15
  Speaker 4: in New Orleans where seemingly you have all of this
• 1:28:19
  Speaker 4: shit going on all at once. It's insanity, folks, insanity,
• 1:28:28
  Speaker 4: all right. Let's see here. Let's take a little break
• 1:28:34
  Speaker 4: so I can get my bearing straight. I need I need,
• 1:28:39
  Speaker 4: I need nicotine, and I need liquid here to coat
• 1:28:45
  Speaker 4: my pipes before we continue. So let's take a little
• 1:28:48
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• 1:28:56
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• 1:31:54
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• 1:32:41
  Speaker 4: into some uh informers who will look your boom boom
• 1:32:47
  Speaker 4: down as Snow used to say. Uh. Now, we're moved
• 1:32:54
  Speaker 4: to Dallas and a fellow by the name of Charlie Hallmark.
• 1:33:01
  Speaker 4: Now we've touched on this a little bit in the past,
• 1:33:07
  Speaker 4: but not the direction that we're going to take. We
• 1:33:13
  Speaker 4: took it somewhere else, but now we're going to take
• 1:33:15
  Speaker 4: it in a different direction. Okay, dude. And you'll remember
• 1:33:20
  Speaker 4: this because our famously, our our Man on the Street
• 1:33:25
  Speaker 4: Alpha sixty six did a fantastic video about where this
• 1:33:31
  Speaker 4: place was in Dallas and the surrounding areas. So once again,
• 1:33:36
  Speaker 4: thank you Big Mike for that. What I'm talking about
• 1:33:40
  Speaker 4: here is the alright parking garage there was at twelve
• 1:33:42
  Speaker 4: oh eight Commerce Street. Okay, this is allegedly where Jack
• 1:33:50
  Speaker 4: Ruby used to park his car when he was on
• 1:33:58
  Speaker 4: I don't know. Oh, let me ask you a question, guys,
• 1:34:06
  Speaker 4: did you hear the Silk City commercial that I played?
• 1:34:11
  Speaker 4: I did not have that on mute? Did I? Was
• 1:34:13
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  Speaker 4: you heard the commercial and I hope that wasn't muted.
• 1:34:27
  Speaker 4: Let me know, thank you, mister Ashley. Old days, old
• 1:34:36
  Speaker 4: day son. Where you couldn't see me, now you can
• 1:34:43
  Speaker 4: see me. All right, Let's move on back to the
• 1:34:54
  Speaker 4: Alright Parking Garage. Thanks her. Captain Januway received information that
• 1:35:03
  Speaker 4: the subject made a statement that Jack Ruby was in
• 1:35:06
  Speaker 4: the Alright Parking Garage on the afternoon of November twenty third,
• 1:35:10
  Speaker 4: nineteen sixty three, that Jack Ruby had made a telephone
• 1:35:15
  Speaker 4: call there and had asked for Wes Wise at the
• 1:35:18
  Speaker 4: KRLD TV station. Ruby was reportedly told that Wes Wise
• 1:35:24
  Speaker 4: was not in and that Ruby had then talked to
• 1:35:26
  Speaker 4: a person named Ken, last name unknown. Ruby was reported
• 1:35:31
  Speaker 4: to have asked this person when Lee Harvey Oswald was
• 1:35:35
  Speaker 4: to be transferred from the city jail to the county jail,
• 1:35:38
  Speaker 4: and had stated to this person Ken, that he wanted
• 1:35:42
  Speaker 4: to be there when the transfer was made. So that's
• 1:35:47
  Speaker 4: a question that a lot of people ask. How did
• 1:35:50
  Speaker 4: Jack Ruby know exactly when to be there, just the
• 1:35:54
  Speaker 4: right time to be able to shoot Oswald. Well, apparently
• 1:36:02
  Speaker 4: he started asking this question the day after the assassination
• 1:36:09
  Speaker 4: on the twenty third, because they were a lot of
• 1:36:15
  Speaker 4: things was happening on the twenty third. They were interviewing,
• 1:36:17
  Speaker 4: they were moving around, they were trying to figure things out,
• 1:36:21
  Speaker 4: and of course the transfer happened Sunday morning at about
• 1:36:26
  Speaker 4: you know, ten or eleven, I can't remember exactly when,
• 1:36:32
  Speaker 4: but nobody actually knew when they were supposed to do this.
• 1:36:37
  Speaker 4: They wanted I think they originally wanted to do it overnight,
• 1:36:40
  Speaker 4: like in the dead of night, so nobody would know.
• 1:36:44
  Speaker 4: But for some reason, the Dallas Police and the Sheriff's
• 1:36:49
  Speaker 4: office wanted to placate the media because they wanted footage,
• 1:36:53
  Speaker 4: any footage they could get of Oswald at every turn,
• 1:37:00
  Speaker 4: whether it be from inside the station, outside the station,
• 1:37:04
  Speaker 4: on the way to the station, on the way to
• 1:37:07
  Speaker 4: a waiting transfer, a jail car, whatever the case may be.
• 1:37:12
  Speaker 4: The media demanded to have access to Oswald at all turns.
• 1:37:19
  Speaker 4: So for whatever reason, it was put off and delayed
• 1:37:23
  Speaker 4: until the morning of Sunday, November twenty fourth. But on
• 1:37:31
  Speaker 4: the twenty third, we have Ruby asking call in a
• 1:37:35
  Speaker 4: radio station or a TV station, sorry that wouldn't know
• 1:37:39
  Speaker 4: to people that he knew that worked there, that would
• 1:37:41
  Speaker 4: tell him when Oswald was going to be transferred. Now.
• 1:37:48
  Speaker 4: A guy by the name of Ken Scott, who worked
• 1:37:52
  Speaker 4: at the kr at LD TV station, was interviewed and
• 1:37:55
  Speaker 4: he stated that he had never received a telephone call
• 1:37:57
  Speaker 4: from Jack Ruby and that he did not talk Jack
• 1:38:00
  Speaker 4: Ruby on November twenty third, nineteen sixty three. Ken Smart,
• 1:38:05
  Speaker 4: who works the city desk at the Dallas Times Herald,
• 1:38:09
  Speaker 4: was interviewed and stated that he had only talked to
• 1:38:12
  Speaker 4: Jack Ruby one time in his life that he could remember,
• 1:38:14
  Speaker 4: and this was several months prior to November sixty three.
• 1:38:18
  Speaker 4: So this is the Dallas Police Department, Jack Revel, Criminal
• 1:38:23
  Speaker 4: Intelligence Section, Special Services Bureau trying to figure out who
• 1:38:27
  Speaker 4: in the hell that Jack Ruby was calling Ken? Who?
• 1:38:32
  Speaker 4: And did Ken tell him? Obviously somebody told him something
• 1:38:37
  Speaker 4: because he knew the right time to be there. Now.
• 1:38:40
  Speaker 4: A mister Eddie Barker, who was the news director at
• 1:38:43
  Speaker 4: KRLD TV station, was interviewed and stated that the above
• 1:38:47
  Speaker 4: two people are the only ones with the name Ken
• 1:38:50
  Speaker 4: that he knew, and if there were others, they would
• 1:38:53
  Speaker 4: not be in a position to receive telephone calls or
• 1:38:55
  Speaker 4: dispense any information regarding current events. Eddie Barker and Wes
• 1:39:00
  Speaker 4: Wise both stated that Jack Ruby had appeared at the
• 1:39:03
  Speaker 4: scene of the assassination. On the afternoon of November twenty third,
• 1:39:07
  Speaker 4: nineteen sixty three. Wes Wise was at this location in
• 1:39:12
  Speaker 4: one of the krild TV mobile news units and Jack
• 1:39:16
  Speaker 4: Ruby came to the side of the unit and engaged
• 1:39:18
  Speaker 4: Wes Wise in conversation for more than a half an
• 1:39:20
  Speaker 4: hour discussing the assassination in Lee Harvey Oswald. This was
• 1:39:25
  Speaker 4: around one in the afternoon on November twenty third. Now,
• 1:39:28
  Speaker 4: for those of you who remember, Wes Wise was a
• 1:39:33
  Speaker 4: future at the time mayor of Dallas, and he actually
• 1:39:40
  Speaker 4: reported to have seen someone who resembled a lot like
• 1:39:49
  Speaker 4: Lee Harvey Oswald and a red Ford Falcon after the
• 1:39:56
  Speaker 4: Tippett murder. After Oswald was arrested, right and then this
• 1:40:01
  Speaker 4: red Ford Falcon. He apparently wrote down the license plate
• 1:40:04
  Speaker 4: and the license plate ended up belonging to a Carl
• 1:40:06
  Speaker 4: Mather it was. Was it one of JD. Tippet's best
• 1:40:14
  Speaker 4: friends who allegedly worked at some big electronics company that
• 1:40:26
  Speaker 4: was big with electronic communications. I don't know. It's a
• 1:40:30
  Speaker 4: very murky thing, but that's who Wes Wise is. I
• 1:40:40
  Speaker 4: don't know who this is, but they don't have the
• 1:40:45
  Speaker 4: name here, but it's an FBI document. It's CE twenty thirteen,
• 1:40:50
  Speaker 4: dated eleven twenty four, sixty three. This is the the
• 1:40:54
  Speaker 4: day that Oswald shot and it says at two thirty am,
• 1:40:58
  Speaker 4: I received a telephone call at the office of the
• 1:41:01
  Speaker 4: Dallas FBI. Okay, so this is a Dallas FBI guy.
• 1:41:04
  Speaker 4: His name is uh Vernon Colossop Vernon Colossop. At two
• 1:41:16
  Speaker 4: thirty in the morning, okay. This is early morning hours
• 1:41:22
  Speaker 4: of eleven twenty four, the day Oswold would be shot.
• 1:41:26
  Speaker 4: He says, I received a phone call at the office
• 1:41:28
  Speaker 4: of the Dallas FBI from an unknown male who's spoke
• 1:41:31
  Speaker 4: in a calm voice and asked, I would like to
• 1:41:33
  Speaker 4: talk to the man in George please. I told the
• 1:41:37
  Speaker 4: caller that the special Agent in charge was not present
• 1:41:40
  Speaker 4: at that time and asked him if someone else could
• 1:41:43
  Speaker 4: help him, and the caller said wait a minute, and
• 1:41:47
  Speaker 4: apparently turned the phone over to another man. I am
• 1:41:49
  Speaker 4: not certain there were two different voices, however, but the
• 1:41:53
  Speaker 4: tone of the unknown caller's voice changed somewhat at this point.
• 1:41:57
  Speaker 4: The voice at this point was calm and mature in sense,
• 1:42:01
  Speaker 4: and this person stated as follows, quote, I represent a
• 1:42:04
  Speaker 4: committee that is neither right nor left wing, and tonight,
• 1:42:09
  Speaker 4: tomorrow morning or tomorrow night, we are going to kill
• 1:42:12
  Speaker 4: the man that killed the president. There will be no excitement,
• 1:42:17
  Speaker 4: and we will kill him. We wanted to be sure
• 1:42:21
  Speaker 4: and tell the FBI, the police department, and the Sheriff's
• 1:42:24
  Speaker 4: office and who will be there, and that we will
• 1:42:27
  Speaker 4: be there and we will kill him. The unknown caller
• 1:42:31
  Speaker 4: then hung up without any other statement and without identifying
• 1:42:34
  Speaker 4: themselves in any manner. I immediately prepared a memorandum reflecting this
• 1:42:39
  Speaker 4: information and furnished same to special Agents Milton Newsom. I
• 1:42:45
  Speaker 4: was present when Newsom furnished this information to the Dallas
• 1:42:48
  Speaker 4: County Sheriff's office at approximately three am, and then to
• 1:42:52
  Speaker 4: the Dallas Police Department at three point twenty am. So
• 1:42:57
  Speaker 4: apparently we have uh somebody calling the f local Dallas
• 1:43:06
  Speaker 4: FBI office and stating this. Then they told the sheriff
• 1:43:10
  Speaker 4: and the DPD about this threat. Okay, at about three
• 1:43:19
  Speaker 4: point forty five in the morning, Okay, early morning, November
• 1:43:27
  Speaker 4: twenty fourth, same same kind of timeframe here, all right,
• 1:43:36
  Speaker 4: mister Newsom of the Federal Bureau of Investigation called this
• 1:43:40
  Speaker 4: office and stated his office had received an anonymous call
• 1:43:43
  Speaker 4: stating that a group was going to kill Oswald that day,
• 1:43:47
  Speaker 4: that night or the following day. Caller stated that he
• 1:43:51
  Speaker 4: did not have any that he didn't want any officer
• 1:43:54
  Speaker 4: hurt and that was the reason for his call. But
• 1:43:56
  Speaker 4: they were going to kill Oswald and there was nothing
• 1:43:58
  Speaker 4: anyone could do about it. Subsequently, at five am or
• 1:44:02
  Speaker 4: five thirty AM, I called Captain Fritz at home and
• 1:44:05
  Speaker 4: related substance of the threatening call. Captain Fritz told me
• 1:44:09
  Speaker 4: Chief Curry was handling the transfer of Oswald and suggested
• 1:44:12
  Speaker 4: I call him. So between five thirty and five forty
• 1:44:16
  Speaker 4: five am, Deputy Cox or Coy the exact name unknown
• 1:44:21
  Speaker 4: of the Dallas Sheriff's Office called this office and stated
• 1:44:24
  Speaker 4: that Sheriff Decker had instructed him to call the DPD
• 1:44:28
  Speaker 4: and request the Chief Curry call him about the transfer
• 1:44:30
  Speaker 4: of Oswald. The deputy sheriff indicated Sheriff Decker wanted Oswald
• 1:44:35
  Speaker 4: moved as soon as possible, as I recall, I had
• 1:44:39
  Speaker 4: a second conversation with Captain Fritz regarding Decker wanted to
• 1:44:42
  Speaker 4: move Oswald as soon as possible. Fritz state stated that
• 1:44:45
  Speaker 4: I should call Chief Curry. Six am. I attempted to
• 1:44:50
  Speaker 4: call Chief Curry at home. The telephone was busy, and
• 1:44:53
  Speaker 4: after fifteen minutes I asked the operator to check the
• 1:44:57
  Speaker 4: line for a conversation. I ported trouble on the line.
• 1:45:02
  Speaker 4: By this time it was approximately six fifteen am, and
• 1:45:05
  Speaker 4: Captain Talbert relieved me, and I told Talbert of the
• 1:45:10
  Speaker 4: threat of the Deputy Sheriffs and my attempt to contact Curry,
• 1:45:13
  Speaker 4: and Talbot said that he wouldn't send a squad by
• 1:45:17
  Speaker 4: the residence of Curry and have him call the office.
• 1:45:21
  Speaker 4: My guess is that Chief Curry took the phone off
• 1:45:23
  Speaker 4: the hook, as it had probably been a hell of
• 1:45:26
  Speaker 4: a busy day and his phone probably didn't stopped ringing,
• 1:45:31
  Speaker 4: so he's like, all right, screw this, I'm taking this
• 1:45:32
  Speaker 4: some bitch off the hook and kids out there. This
• 1:45:35
  Speaker 4: is before we had cell phones, and you had to
• 1:45:39
  Speaker 4: you had to take the receiver of the telephone off
• 1:45:42
  Speaker 4: the hook to make it stop ringing. And then there
• 1:45:49
  Speaker 4: was information from Lonnie Hudkins. And I don't know what
• 1:45:54
  Speaker 4: to make of all this, because Lonnie Hudkins put out
• 1:45:58
  Speaker 4: some bullshit back in the day along with some decent reporting.
• 1:46:03
  Speaker 4: I guess, but I don't know, I don't know what
• 1:46:09
  Speaker 4: to make a Lonnie Huggins. He was a reporter in
• 1:46:12
  Speaker 4: Houston employed by the Houston Post, but he had made
• 1:46:17
  Speaker 4: his way to Dallas, you know, of course after the
• 1:46:20
  Speaker 4: president was shot to cover it for his newspaper. Hudkins
• 1:46:27
  Speaker 4: stated that he was not present at the DPD on
• 1:46:30
  Speaker 4: November twenty four to sixty three when Lee Harvey Oswald
• 1:46:32
  Speaker 4: was shot. He stated, but that he was in the
• 1:46:35
  Speaker 4: police station on Friday evening of November twenty second, and
• 1:46:38
  Speaker 4: did observe attorney Tom Howard, now representing Ruby and his
• 1:46:44
  Speaker 4: law partner Collie Sullivan, and attorney Benny Henderson, on the
• 1:46:48
  Speaker 4: third floor of the police station, near the office of
• 1:46:51
  Speaker 4: Captain Fritz, where Oswald was being interviewed. He stated that
• 1:46:55
  Speaker 4: at approximately eleven, Oswald was taken from Fritz's office to
• 1:46:59
  Speaker 4: a police assembly room for a show up, and near
• 1:47:04
  Speaker 4: the ship room he saw Jack Ruby. He asked Ruby
• 1:47:08
  Speaker 4: what he was doing there, and he recalls Ruby replied
• 1:47:12
  Speaker 4: he was either writing for a Jewish paper or interpreting
• 1:47:17
  Speaker 4: for someone who was writing for a Jewish paper. He advised,
• 1:47:22
  Speaker 4: to the best of his knowledge, that Ruby had some
• 1:47:24
  Speaker 4: sort of an ID card issued by Glenn Bird, now
• 1:47:28
  Speaker 4: a county clerk who was formerly a Justice of the Peace.
• 1:47:32
  Speaker 4: The card read, as he recalled, quote, the bearer of
• 1:47:36
  Speaker 4: this card is an honorary Deputy of the Justice of
• 1:47:39
  Speaker 4: the Peace. Mister Hutkins stated that the third floor of
• 1:47:44
  Speaker 4: the police station was full of newsmen and others, and
• 1:47:47
  Speaker 4: he felt that there was very little chance of obtaining
• 1:47:50
  Speaker 4: a story there, so his efforts were concentrated elsewhere. Now this,
• 1:47:56
  Speaker 4: like I said, I don't know which of Lonnie Hutkins
• 1:47:58
  Speaker 4: story we can trust, but we do know that Jack
• 1:48:03
  Speaker 4: Ruby was in the police station Friday night on the
• 1:48:07
  Speaker 4: twenty second, posing as a newsman, which is interesting. Basically
• 1:48:17
  Speaker 4: he had a car. The bearer is an honorary Deputy
• 1:48:20
  Speaker 4: of the Justice of the Peace. What the hell? Writing
• 1:48:26
  Speaker 4: for Yiddish newspaper The Jewish Times, he advised it on
• 1:48:42
  Speaker 4: November twenty fourth, at the time Oswald was scheduled to
• 1:48:45
  Speaker 4: be transferred from the police building to the County Sheriff's office.
• 1:48:48
  Speaker 4: That he was in the office of County Sheriff Bill Decker,
• 1:48:51
  Speaker 4: as he anticipated if there were any trouble it would
• 1:48:54
  Speaker 4: be at the county jail. He states that the one
• 1:48:58
  Speaker 4: thing occurred while he was at the county jail, which
• 1:49:02
  Speaker 4: was significant to him. He states that Tom Howard, who
• 1:49:05
  Speaker 4: was allegedly at the police department at the time the
• 1:49:07
  Speaker 4: shooting occurred, arrived at the County Sheriff's office for the
• 1:49:10
  Speaker 4: purpose of obtaining a wrint for the release of Ruby
• 1:49:14
  Speaker 4: two minutes before Oswald was delivered to the hospital. So
• 1:49:21
  Speaker 4: apparently what he's alluding to here is that Ruby had
• 1:49:28
  Speaker 4: enlisted lawyer Tom Howard to try to get Ruby released
• 1:49:36
  Speaker 4: as quickly as possible. So, like, you know, he knew,
• 1:49:43
  Speaker 4: like once I shoot this guy, they're going to arrest me,
• 1:49:45
  Speaker 4: and you need to try to give me the hell
• 1:49:46
  Speaker 4: out of here asap. So he knew what he was
• 1:49:49
  Speaker 4: going to do. It wasn't a spur of the moment decision.
• 1:49:52
  Speaker 4: He set everything up and he enlisted the help of
• 1:49:55
  Speaker 4: Tom Howard to get him out immediately. That's a big accusation. So,
• 1:49:59
  Speaker 4: like I said, Lonnie Hutkins, I don't know how much
• 1:50:02
  Speaker 4: we can believe here, but you know, it is what
• 1:50:06
  Speaker 4: it is. He states that later that day, he asked
• 1:50:11
  Speaker 4: Howard if Ruby had the run had the gun with
• 1:50:14
  Speaker 4: him on Friday night. He states Howard advised that Ruby
• 1:50:18
  Speaker 4: did have the gun on him at that time, according
• 1:50:21
  Speaker 4: to mister Hutkins, Well, that's the same paper. Hutkins was
• 1:50:41
  Speaker 4: talking to the Houston Post in Houston and asked mister
• 1:50:44
  Speaker 4: Howard to verify that statement directly to his paper, which
• 1:50:47
  Speaker 4: mister Howard did. Mister Hutkins stated that on Friday night,
• 1:50:52
  Speaker 4: November twenty second, near the police assembly, while Oswall was
• 1:50:55
  Speaker 4: being taken for the show up, he talked to Chief Curry,
• 1:50:58
  Speaker 4: who was worried about world of security. He states that
• 1:51:01
  Speaker 4: at that time he observed many persons there who were
• 1:51:06
  Speaker 4: not reporters or members of the media. Several of them
• 1:51:10
  Speaker 4: were attorneys. In one he noted was a runner for
• 1:51:13
  Speaker 4: a bondsman and is an ex convict. He cannot recall
• 1:51:17
  Speaker 4: the runner's name. Mister Hutkins advised that he has known
• 1:51:21
  Speaker 4: Ruby for quite some time, as he was active as
• 1:51:24
  Speaker 4: a judge at fights, and that Ruby usually appeared at
• 1:51:28
  Speaker 4: the fight sitting in the front rows. He has seen
• 1:51:32
  Speaker 4: him on many occasions at fights and at other gatherings,
• 1:51:35
  Speaker 4: and he stated that it was common knowledge that Ruby
• 1:51:37
  Speaker 4: was always armed. Mister Hutkins and his staff are still
• 1:51:41
  Speaker 4: actively running out leeds, which he states are being called
• 1:51:44
  Speaker 4: in to the Houston Post. He agreed to advise this
• 1:51:48
  Speaker 4: office with any information he considers pertinent. Now, what's interesting
• 1:51:52
  Speaker 4: there is within the past I would say five or
• 1:51:58
  Speaker 4: ten years, there has been pictures at prize fights has
• 1:52:09
  Speaker 4: been identified in which is crazy. It's crazy to me.
• 1:52:16
  Speaker 4: So that part of Lonnie Hugkin's story is true. So
• 1:52:20
  Speaker 4: how much can we believe of Lonnie Hugkin's story? All
• 1:52:22
  Speaker 4: of it, none of it? I don't know. But back
• 1:52:27
  Speaker 4: to this mysterious Ken who Jack Ruby was Aligi overheard
• 1:52:33
  Speaker 4: calling at the Alright Parking garage on Saturday the twenty third. Okay,
• 1:52:41
  Speaker 4: now this information did not come out until December sixteenth,
• 1:52:45
  Speaker 4: nineteen sixty three, and this is an FBI report. Kenneth
• 1:52:49
  Speaker 4: Doe of one one thousand and eight Beachwood, Dallas, Texas
• 1:52:55
  Speaker 4: fronts to following information he works at. He is a
• 1:53:00
  Speaker 4: radio announcer for radio station KLIF Dallas and works under
• 1:53:05
  Speaker 4: the name Ken Doe. He has been in Dallas for
• 1:53:08
  Speaker 4: about six weeks and after the murder of Lee Oswald,
• 1:53:12
  Speaker 4: he recalled that an individual who stopped by the radio
• 1:53:14
  Speaker 4: station on a couple of occasions was a man named
• 1:53:17
  Speaker 4: Jack Ruby. He also recalled it. On November twenty third,
• 1:53:21
  Speaker 4: nineteen sixty three, he received three phone calls on the
• 1:53:25
  Speaker 4: KLIF hotline, which is phone number r I seven nine
• 1:53:30
  Speaker 4: three one nine. He stated. On the first call, an
• 1:53:33
  Speaker 4: individual requested to know if he had any information as
• 1:53:37
  Speaker 4: to win Lee Harvey Oswald was going to be transferred.
• 1:53:43
  Speaker 4: On the second call, the same individual inquired as to
• 1:53:45
  Speaker 4: whether any of the KLIF newsmen were at the city hall.
• 1:53:50
  Speaker 4: This individual then asked him if he knew who he was,
• 1:53:53
  Speaker 4: and when he said he did not, the individual identified
• 1:53:57
  Speaker 4: himself as Jack Ruby. On the third call, Ruby, who
• 1:54:02
  Speaker 4: he now realized had made the first two calls, told
• 1:54:05
  Speaker 4: him that he would call the radio station if he
• 1:54:07
  Speaker 4: learned anything newsworthy, as he was going to personally go
• 1:54:11
  Speaker 4: to the city hall at best, he could recall. These
• 1:54:15
  Speaker 4: three calls were made between two pm and five pm
• 1:54:19
  Speaker 4: on November twenty third, nineteen sixty three. He knows nothing
• 1:54:23
  Speaker 4: concerning Ruby's background, personal life, or political convictions, and does
• 1:54:27
  Speaker 4: not know why he shot Lee Harvey Oswald. He never
• 1:54:31
  Speaker 4: heard of Oswald prior to Kennedy's assassination and knows of
• 1:54:34
  Speaker 4: no connection between them. He stated that Chuck Dunaway was
• 1:54:38
  Speaker 4: formerly an announcer for k Eli F and now resides
• 1:54:41
  Speaker 4: blah blah blah and employee by ABNAC Record Company in Dallas.
• 1:54:46
  Speaker 4: So this is the ken that apparently Jack Ruby called
• 1:54:49
  Speaker 4: from the all Right Parking garage to determine whether or
• 1:54:54
  Speaker 4: not they had information as to win Lee Harvey Oswald
• 1:54:58
  Speaker 4: would be transferred. Very interesting. So yeah, I don't think
• 1:55:05
  Speaker 4: it was a big coincidence that Jack Ruby just happened
• 1:55:09
  Speaker 4: to show up just the right time in the basement,
• 1:55:12
  Speaker 4: you know, I think he was given information as to
• 1:55:17
  Speaker 4: when the transfer would go down, at the very least.
• 1:55:24
  Speaker 4: Anything more than that, you know, you're looking at some
• 1:55:28
  Speaker 4: major collusion, you know, and to make that big leap
• 1:55:34
  Speaker 4: of faith, take some serious evidence, you know, like, hey,
• 1:55:40
  Speaker 4: don't bring him out until Jack Ruby's in place. But
• 1:55:44
  Speaker 4: there's also there was also rumors that Jack Ruby was
• 1:55:46
  Speaker 4: posing as a TV camera equipment operator helper, you know,
• 1:55:53
  Speaker 4: as they were bringing this equipment into the basement. But
• 1:55:59
  Speaker 4: who knows. But who knows because a lot of these
• 1:56:02
  Speaker 4: cops knew who Jack Ruby was, and many of them
• 1:56:05
  Speaker 4: frequenting his club. So it's all very murky. But it
• 1:56:13
  Speaker 4: would appear that Jack Ruby knew who to call, which
• 1:56:17
  Speaker 4: was the media, TV stations, radio stations. They're the ones
• 1:56:20
  Speaker 4: that are going to know when Oswald's being transferred, because
• 1:56:25
  Speaker 4: you know, Chief Curry, Captain Fritz, Bill Decker, they were
• 1:56:33
  Speaker 4: giving this information out to the media so that they
• 1:56:37
  Speaker 4: could cover the event and get it live on camera
• 1:56:40
  Speaker 4: for the world to see and look what happened, just
• 1:56:49
  Speaker 4: saying all right, so let's see here. I got one
• 1:56:54
  Speaker 4: more And this is not really an informer, but he's
• 1:57:01
  Speaker 4: telling us what happened in his own words. And I've
• 1:57:04
  Speaker 4: never seen this before. So this is from Parkland Memorial Hospital.
• 1:57:13
  Speaker 4: This was written on an admission note November twenty second,
• 1:57:17
  Speaker 4: nineteen sixty three, at four forty five pm. This is
• 1:57:20
  Speaker 4: three hours after John F. Kennedy is pronounced dead. And
• 1:57:25
  Speaker 4: this is doctor This is a note from doctor McClellan
• 1:57:29
  Speaker 4: okay a statement statement regarding assassination of President Kennedy. At
• 1:57:35
  Speaker 4: approximately twelve forty five pm of the above date, I
• 1:57:39
  Speaker 4: was called from the second floor of the Parkland Hospital
• 1:57:45
  Speaker 4: and went immediately to the emergency room, where I something
• 1:57:55
  Speaker 4: President Kennedy being intended to by doctors Malcolm Perry and
• 1:58:03
  Speaker 4: a couple other ones. I can't read the president was
• 1:58:06
  Speaker 4: at the at the time comatose from a massive gunshot
• 1:58:18
  Speaker 4: wound of the head with a something wound of the trachea.
• 1:58:30
  Speaker 4: And basically he goes on here to say that they
• 1:58:34
  Speaker 4: did a trichotomy, tubol logotomy, they were massaging his heart
• 1:58:42
  Speaker 4: and da da da da da. But this is not
• 1:58:44
  Speaker 4: the part that I'm that concerned of. The second page
• 1:58:50
  Speaker 4: is what I was like, what second page? Very short.
• 1:58:56
  Speaker 4: Cause of death was due to massive head and brain
• 1:59:02
  Speaker 4: injury from a gunshot wound of the left temple. He
• 1:59:08
  Speaker 4: was pronounced dead after external cardiac massage and ECG activity stopped.
• 1:59:20
  Speaker 4: What's gone? Signed Robert McClelland, MD, Assistant Professor of Surgery,
• 1:59:27
  Speaker 4: Southwestern Medical School of the Texas, Dallas, Texas. So he's
• 1:59:34
  Speaker 4: saying that it was a giant, massive head and brain
• 1:59:40
  Speaker 4: injury from a gunshot wound to the left temple. And
• 1:59:44
  Speaker 4: this is Robert McClellan, he's on the scene. He's I mean, damn, Now,
• 1:59:53
  Speaker 4: what's interesting about that? Okay, left temple, right temple. Now
• 2:00:05
  Speaker 4: we always think that the wound was the right temple,
• 2:00:11
  Speaker 4: but of course, if you're looking at someone laying on
• 2:00:14
  Speaker 4: the slab, the wounds on the left side of the body,
• 2:00:19
  Speaker 4: although it's the body's right temple, so I wonder if
• 2:00:23
  Speaker 4: he just got confused there with his left and his rights.
• 2:00:28
  Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying, sounds like it, but interesting
• 2:00:35
  Speaker 4: that he denotes a wound to the temple as like
• 2:00:43
  Speaker 4: an entrance wound, exit wound, entrance wound temple. Crazy crazy
• 2:00:51
  Speaker 4: crazy crazy. Oh James McClellan operated on me years later
• 2:00:58
  Speaker 4: and saved my life, I claim the fan. Well good,
• 2:01:02
  Speaker 4: hopefully he did it on the right side of your
• 2:01:03
  Speaker 4: body and at the left side of your body. Apparently
• 2:01:08
  Speaker 4: he got confused with his rights and lefts so glad
• 2:01:11
  Speaker 4: you're still here with us, sir. And then our body
• 2:01:14
  Speaker 4: is somewhat symmetrical and has you know, two sets of ribs,
• 2:01:18
  Speaker 4: two lungs, two kidneys, so even if he got the
• 2:01:21
  Speaker 4: wrong one, you know, all right, two hands, two eyes,
• 2:01:27
  Speaker 4: so bravo, very cool, very cool. So yeah, that's uh,
• 2:01:37
  Speaker 4: that's the crazy stuff, man. And I didn't even get
• 2:01:42
  Speaker 4: I didn't even get to my camera stuff. So I
• 2:01:45
  Speaker 4: guess we'll save that for another night.
• 2:01:48
  Speaker 3: Uh.
• 2:01:50
  Speaker 4: Oh, well, it's all good, it's all good. I had
• 2:01:54
  Speaker 4: more informers information than I thought it did. I just
• 2:02:00
  Speaker 4: wanted to make sure I had enough to get through
• 2:02:02
  Speaker 4: this thing by myself and not be like forty five
• 2:02:05
  Speaker 4: minutes in. Okay, that's all I got. Here. We are
• 2:02:08
  Speaker 4: two hours in and I feel like we just started.
• 2:02:11
  Speaker 4: But damn, that's crazy. Your image is reversed. Funny enough. Yeah,
• 2:02:18
  Speaker 4: you know, I'm pointing at my right temple right now,
• 2:02:21
  Speaker 4: but it looks like I'm pointing at my left temple.
• 2:02:23
  Speaker 4: I guess this is my right hand. Does it look
• 2:02:28
  Speaker 4: like my left hand? I don't know. I don't know.
• 2:02:31
  Speaker 4: I don't I wonder if I can fix that. That
• 2:02:34
  Speaker 4: is kind of weird to me. Let me see if
• 2:02:37
  Speaker 4: that's some some weird thing mirror camera. Let's uncheck that
• 2:02:44
  Speaker 4: and see what happens. Whoa, okay, wow, see now you
• 2:02:58
  Speaker 4: can read my hat right. Well, maybe if the goddamn
• 2:03:06
  Speaker 4: camera stopped moving around. Oh you bastard camera. You the
• 2:03:13
  Speaker 4: Dallas Action podcast. See that? See that? Fine? Fine? Had that?
• 2:03:19
  Speaker 4: It was lovely? Yeah, all right, that's wild. I've had
• 2:03:25
  Speaker 4: this thing backwards the whole time, for all this time,
• 2:03:27
  Speaker 4: and I don't even know it. Wow. Crazy, Sorry about that.
• 2:03:34
  Speaker 4: You live and you learn, as a lot of more
• 2:03:36
  Speaker 4: said always says all right, folks, let mean yank you
• 2:03:44
  Speaker 4: off here, and I want to thank you guys so
• 2:03:49
  Speaker 4: much for hanging out with me. Uh then this limited
• 2:03:53
  Speaker 4: hangout Friday night with me running hond solo without Joseph.
• 2:03:59
  Speaker 4: And and let's go through a couple of these comments
• 2:04:02
  Speaker 4: here and see if I missed anything on Oh shit,
• 2:04:07
  Speaker 4: Well there we go, Gary Peters, super chatted, since you're
• 2:04:12
  Speaker 4: flying serling to night. And for the perseverance, well, much obliged, sir,
• 2:04:17
  Speaker 4: much obliged, Gary, appreciated, brother, appreciate your man. Matthew Bates, Hey,
• 2:04:23
  Speaker 4: you're welcome. It's my pleasure. I love doing this. I
• 2:04:28
  Speaker 4: love hanging out with you guys. I hate it when
• 2:04:31
  Speaker 4: I have to do it by myself. I feel like
• 2:04:32
  Speaker 4: I'm neglecting you guys. And I don't get over here
• 2:04:35
  Speaker 4: to the comments section enough. Yeah, yeah, surgery is no fun, Colleen,
• 2:04:48
  Speaker 4: thank you, Trey, Thank you Trey. It feels weird now
• 2:04:52
  Speaker 4: I'm raising my left hand up and it's legit looking okay, wild,
• 2:05:01
  Speaker 4: I'll see if I missed anything here. Doctors referred to
• 2:05:05
  Speaker 4: left and right from their perspective, not the patients. Well
• 2:05:08
  Speaker 4: that's a good thing to know. Opto economist. So there
• 2:05:13
  Speaker 4: you go. Interesting that from the doctor three hours after
• 2:05:17
  Speaker 4: he viewed Kennedy laying on the slab in front of him.
• 2:05:25
  Speaker 4: This is what he's writing down. He was shot in
• 2:05:30
  Speaker 4: the temple, folks. Uh, pretty damning testimony. So we had
• 2:05:41
  Speaker 4: a lot of people that talk here tonight. You know,
• 2:05:43
  Speaker 4: from like the Larry Hancock books, someone would have talked.
• 2:05:46
  Speaker 4: We had a lot of people that did talk. Thank you, Paula.
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  Speaker 4: I wish I could, but I don't really drink. I
• 2:06:01
  Speaker 4: drink selter. I have a selter. It's mixed with nothing.
• 2:06:08
  Speaker 4: It's just water. It's empty, empty calories. If you will,
• 2:06:16
  Speaker 4: that's my go to. Thank you, Colleen, very kind words,
• 2:06:26
  Speaker 4: very kind words. Thank you so much. James, thank you, Claude,
• 2:06:34
  Speaker 4: nant you, Dene, thank you, thank you, thank you. Awesome stuff,
• 2:06:45
  Speaker 4: awesome stuff. So yeah, I guess that'll do it for
• 2:06:51
  Speaker 4: tonight and we'll be back. Actually, I'm recording Quick Hits
• 2:06:58
  Speaker 4: tomorrow morning with Dove, so that'll be out this weekend.
• 2:07:02
  Speaker 4: Look for that. If you haven't subscribed to Quick Hits,
• 2:07:07
  Speaker 4: where you can listen to find podcasts, go do that,
• 2:07:12
  Speaker 4: because you're missing a whole nother show, a whole another
• 2:07:15
  Speaker 4: five years of show, six years of shows. Yeah, I
• 2:07:21
  Speaker 4: do that with Doug, my buddy that does the Dallas Action.
• 2:07:24
  Speaker 4: Maybe you've heard of it. Like on my hat, we
• 2:07:31
  Speaker 4: do a killer show together like once a month, and
• 2:07:35
  Speaker 4: we're recording that tomorrow, so it'll be out sometime this weekend.
• 2:07:38
  Speaker 4: I don't know exactly when, but be looking for that.
• 2:07:41
  Speaker 4: And then unless Joe has another hockey game on a Wednesday,
• 2:07:48
  Speaker 4: me and Joe will be back with you next Wednesday
• 2:07:50
  Speaker 4: night for the Super Secret Covert Operators and Above show
• 2:07:56
  Speaker 4: for members only next Wednesday. I guess I might could
• 2:08:02
  Speaker 4: get into all this camera nonsense, or I might save
• 2:08:07
  Speaker 4: it for a Friday in the future. Who knows. We'll see,
• 2:08:12
  Speaker 4: we will see. But good night, Lee, Thank you Scott. Yeah,
• 2:08:25
  Speaker 4: I can't wait to do quick hits. Yeah, and we
• 2:08:34
  Speaker 4: we have a party just like just like we do
• 2:08:36
  Speaker 4: on Friday nights on Wednesdays. Come join the fun. The
• 2:08:40
  Speaker 4: link is in the description. If you'd like to become
• 2:08:42
  Speaker 4: a Covert Operator or a super Spy, you have access
• 2:08:47
  Speaker 4: to every Wednesday show every week, plus the entire backlog
• 2:08:53
  Speaker 4: of Wednesday shows for the past eight months. You know,
• 2:08:57
  Speaker 4: we don't just mail it in on Wednesdays. We're legit,
• 2:09:00
  Speaker 4: we do legit shows. But anyway, Big Joe Brelli old Scars,
• 2:09:07
  Speaker 4: we'll be back next Wednesday, next week after his uh
• 2:09:12
  Speaker 4: miniature vacation with him and his lovely uh g f Erica.
• 2:09:20
  Speaker 4: Hopefully they had a good vacation and time well deserved off.
• 2:09:25
  Speaker 4: I've been, you know, putting Joe to work hard for
• 2:09:27
  Speaker 4: the past year and a half.
• 2:09:29
  Speaker 3: Uh.
• 2:09:30
  Speaker 4: You know, we we miss it. We missed. We might
• 2:09:32
  Speaker 4: miss a Friday here and there where we try to
• 2:09:33
  Speaker 4: supplement somehow, like you know, recorded early, or we do something.
• 2:09:40
  Speaker 4: We try to do something. But yeah, so Joe will
• 2:09:46
  Speaker 4: be back. We'll be back in full strength next week.
• 2:09:51
  Speaker 4: Ruby will be back. Huh. Thanks Randall, appreciate it. You
• 2:10:02
  Speaker 4: guys rock always a good time, fun time and without
• 2:10:09
  Speaker 4: further ado, let me call in big Nasty Dean Andrews
• 2:10:19
  Speaker 4: to get us up out of here. No, I'm not
• 2:10:22
  Speaker 4: picking this damn cat up again. I got a black
• 2:10:25
  Speaker 4: shirt winding all hairy. Thanks you guys for hanging out.
• 2:10:37
  Speaker 1: The greatest lies are told in the name of truth.
• 2:10:50
  Speaker 1: The greatest crimes are committed in the name of justice.
• 2:10:53
  Speaker 1: The quotation is Jim Garrison's it could be used for
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  Speaker 1: him or against him in this strange case.
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  Speaker 5: Oh who are you
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  Speaker 4: Alright enough of that