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The 6/2 Manifesting Generator Who Took Her Power Back with Jocelyn De La Torre · Human Design IRL

• 0:00
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, hey there.
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  SPEAKER_01: I'm Carly, Human Design Medium, and your guide for this podcast.
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  SPEAKER_01: This is Human Design IRL, where we talk to my favorite women in the world about how their human design shows up in their real lives.
• 0:14
  SPEAKER_01: So you have actual examples as you're learning about how your design might show up in yours.
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  SPEAKER_01: Here's a clip from today's episode.
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  SPEAKER_01: It just seems like what your two line naturally does is it withdraws when there's an overwhelm and returns to creativity.
• 0:32
  SPEAKER_01: And you know, as a generator type, that's literally how your body is wired to get that gut gas.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: Because that was like a really dark time, but it was also what birthed my business, my name is Power, because that's where I realized I gave my power away to literally everything.
• 0:52
  SPEAKER_02: I gave it away to the company that I was working for.
• 0:54
  SPEAKER_02: I gave it away to family members that I didn't get along with.
• 0:57
  SPEAKER_02: I gave it away to relationships that weren't in my highest good.
• 1:00
  SPEAKER_02: Like I gave it away to literally everything to where I didn't have anything.
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  SPEAKER_02: And that's what literally like birthed, you know, my name is Power.
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  SPEAKER_01: Before we start the episode, I want to remind you that we talk about specific channels, gates, incarnation crosses, all the stuff in every episode.
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  SPEAKER_01: So if you want to grab your chart, now is the time, or head to my website, humandesignmedium.com backslash design.
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  SPEAKER_01: There's a free calculator on there.
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  SPEAKER_01: All right, here we go.
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  SPEAKER_01: Hi, I'm Carly Arabuckle, Human Design Medium, host of Human Design IRL.
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  SPEAKER_01: And this is Jocelyn Deletor.
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  SPEAKER_01: She's my new friend, my newest friend who shout out to Adriana Keith, who introduced us her podcast to his Human Design Without the BS.
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  SPEAKER_01: So go check her out.
• 1:43
  SPEAKER_01: But she introduced us because I am an angel practitioner, an angel medium who, you know, went into human design.
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  SPEAKER_01: And Jocelyn is an angel practitioner who also does astrology.
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  SPEAKER_01: And so it was really cool to get to meet her.
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  SPEAKER_01: She's an intuitive practitioner, an astrologer dedicated to helping people reclaim their personal power through inner child healing.
• 2:06
  SPEAKER_01: She specializes in blending cosmic wisdom of the birth chart with channeled messages from angels and spirit guides in order to discover how your deepest wounds can turn into your greatest gifts.
• 2:18
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, queen.
• 2:20
  SPEAKER_01: I love that.
• 2:21
  SPEAKER_01: Jocelyn, do you want to say hey to the people and let them just hear your voice and talk about who you are?
• 2:28
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I am so excited to be here.
• 2:30
  SPEAKER_02: This is, like Carly said, I am so blessed and just the new friendship that I have here with Carly.
• 2:37
  SPEAKER_02: We've literally been meeting every week now, and it's just been like so awesome.
• 2:43
  SPEAKER_02: I know.
• 2:44
  SPEAKER_02: Like I feel like I've learned I know you more than I feel like some of my other friends, just about like deep in conversation we've gotten into.
• 2:52
  SPEAKER_02: So yeah, I'm so so happy to be here.
• 2:54
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, you get right to the birth chart.
• 2:56
  SPEAKER_01: Things sort of get real really quickly, you know.
• 2:59
  SPEAKER_02: Oh yeah, you get to know all the all the layers right at the beginning.
• 3:04
  SPEAKER_01: I think that's kind of a weird thing too.
• 3:06
  SPEAKER_01: I during readings, I give readings to people I know, but I also make sure that they want them because it can get really deep.
• 3:14
  SPEAKER_01: Like when you are talking with your astrologer, with your, you know, reader, with your medium, like it can get, it's really a vulnerable place to be.
• 3:24
  SPEAKER_01: And so you've got to walk into these things like super open, right?
• 3:27
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, that's why I really do cater to the relationship and the what's the word, like just being careful around with what is being said and just kind of trail around and then let the person kind of you know say what they want, but being able to hold that space.
• 3:43
  SPEAKER_02: And that is something about my business too.
• 3:45
  SPEAKER_02: It's like I do that is my goal to have like this safe space for people to be able to, if they're ready and willing to be able to express and and open their wounds.
• 3:55
  SPEAKER_02: But either way, whether it's expressed or not, you know, there is still a lot that can be said with the birth chart and like just identifying those different points.
• 4:05
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: I mean, I felt that in a reading with you.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's just like a very deep place.
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  SPEAKER_01: And, you know, I think a lot of practitioners, we use the word light a lot, but that is not in contrast to darkness.
• 4:17
  SPEAKER_01: I think there's the darkness of like the womb and of inner child and a shadow sides and a real healing that can take place and growth, rapid growth.
• 4:27
  SPEAKER_01: Spirit showing me as like reproduction of cells just growing massively when you are in the dark, which I think speaks to your chart.
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  SPEAKER_01: So you are a six-two manifesting generator.
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  SPEAKER_01: And as we talked about, you've got, you know, a ton of energy.
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  SPEAKER_01: But something that is showing up as actually I'm thinking about as we're talking about being in the dark and how that shows up in your life.
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  SPEAKER_01: You are a two-line.
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  SPEAKER_01: And so in human design, there are profiles, and that's sort of your role if you're thinking about it as like a play, how you show up as a manifesting generator.
• 5:06
  SPEAKER_01: It's another layer there, it's another lens, another.
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  SPEAKER_01: We talked about human design just being like a bunch of different layers with different dots that all make a picture.
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  SPEAKER_01: So you have this two line that is traditionally called the hermit.
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  SPEAKER_01: And it does mean you probably love being home, but moreover, it means that there are periods of your life where you are feel like you just want to withdraw and go into yourself, go into the dark, so to speak, and be creative.
• 5:40
  SPEAKER_01: That's what I've read about.
• 5:41
  SPEAKER_01: My daughters are two lines, so I'd be grateful for your wisdom on that.
• 5:44
  SPEAKER_01: How has that shown up in your life as a six-two?
• 5:50
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, well, coincidentally, of course, there's no coincidences when it comes to meeting time, but I actually feel like I'm in that period right now.
• 5:59
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 6:00
  SPEAKER_02: I do feel like I'm kind of in this withdrawal because for a while I have been just pushing out a lot of my creativity, the creative side, you know, with whether it's social media or just all these different new ventures that I have coming up.
• 6:13
  SPEAKER_02: And right now I'm kind of in this period where yeah, I just feel a little overwhelmed where I feel as like life is just moving faster than I can keep up with.
• 6:22
  SPEAKER_02: And so it's kind of causing me to like, and it's weird because it's not so much me physically withdrawing, you know, it's not so much about me just going somewhere else or being in my room.
• 6:33
  SPEAKER_02: It's so mental.
• 6:34
  SPEAKER_02: It's so in the head.
• 6:36
  SPEAKER_02: It's so like I just I feel like mentally I just kind of get sucked into, like you said, like this dark, not dark in this negative sense, but just more in like losing track of time.
• 6:47
  SPEAKER_02: Like I'm just so checked out that, you know, even more recently, like my mom, she's a teacher and she just finished school.
• 6:54
  SPEAKER_02: And I remember seeing it on the calendar that, you know, she's gonna be done on the 18th.
• 6:57
  SPEAKER_02: And all of a sudden it was like the 19th.
• 7:00
  SPEAKER_02: And I was like, wait a minute, wait, you're done with school already?
• 7:02
  SPEAKER_02: Like in my head, I was still like at the end of May.
• 7:05
  SPEAKER_02: Like I literally thought it was the end of May.
• 7:06
  SPEAKER_02: And that's what those periods kind of show up for me.
• 7:09
  SPEAKER_02: It's just this whole loss of like, you know, my soul and body just are together.
• 7:15
  SPEAKER_02: Like they kind of just detach in that way.
• 7:17
  SPEAKER_01: So you're just sort of keeping up.
• 7:20
  SPEAKER_01: You'll be going along keeping up because you're doing things that light you up as a manifesting generator.
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  SPEAKER_01: You know, when you follow your gut, when you follow things for you as an emotional authority that feel good, you get that momentum.
• 7:32
  SPEAKER_01: And it almost seems counterintuitive that this would be such a part of your life that's a good thing, right?
• 7:38
  SPEAKER_01: You know, because you are not, you're not self.
• 7:40
  SPEAKER_01: You're not frustrated when you go to these places.
• 7:43
  SPEAKER_01: Is that what I'm hearing?
• 7:44
  SPEAKER_01: Is that it's just sort of a pause on needing to keep up with life.
• 7:51
  SPEAKER_02: Is that a fair way to say that?
• 7:53
  SPEAKER_02: That's more of just this pause kind of detachment, but it's like I'm still doing things, like I'm still moving along, you know, I'm still keeping up with my schedule.
• 8:01
  SPEAKER_02: It's not like I'm completely disassociated with the reality, but it's just more of like the mental state where it just kind of mentally detached.
• 8:09
  SPEAKER_02: And I do feel like my subconscious just likes to spend more in the spiritual or dreams.
• 8:15
  SPEAKER_02: Like that's where my mind kind of goes too.
• 8:17
  SPEAKER_02: Cause I have felt these past couple of nights just not being able to sleep well.
• 8:21
  SPEAKER_02: And I think because my mind is being super active at night, and then during the day it's just like, okay, you're just gonna be doing what you need to do, but mentally, just really not a hundred percent per se.
• 8:33
  SPEAKER_02: The energy just feels a lot more heavier during these times.
• 8:36
  SPEAKER_01: So, how does the creative component come into this?
• 8:40
  SPEAKER_01: Is there something I mean, tell the people about your journey so they can really see themselves in you?
• 8:45
  SPEAKER_01: Because you are not, I mean, this is not a time to withdraw.
• 8:49
  SPEAKER_01: You're an entrepreneur, you know, you are trying to figure out where your next steps are.
• 8:54
  SPEAKER_01: And you know, I know, you know.
• 8:56
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, we're always trying to figure out what we're doing, you know, especially as women in this space called into a sort of hybrid methodology or hybrid, what do you call it, modality of healing, of helping that we not we don't have an example.
• 9:16
  SPEAKER_01: So this is not the time, so to speak, logically, which is what we're trying to get away from.
• 9:22
  SPEAKER_01: So can you tell people about how you know you started this like a lot of us, you know, the decision was made for you that you're no longer going to be doing what you're doing.
• 9:36
  SPEAKER_01: And then you start your journey, and then what?
• 9:39
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, back in October, I got laid off from my job, and that was a turning point for me because it felt right because I knew that I didn't want to be there anymore.
• 9:52
  SPEAKER_02: And for me, it definitely felt like the push that I needed to get to really going all in with my astrology business because I had actually started it, I had the idea almost like a full year prior.
• 10:04
  SPEAKER_02: And then I just sat on it.
• 10:06
  SPEAKER_02: And it was just one of those things where I knew that I wanted to do it, but I just couldn't like pull the trigger to really go all in.
• 10:13
  SPEAKER_02: Getting laid off from my job was really what I needed to within a month, I had launched my Instagram and started posting and really getting myself out there, had my first professional reading a couple months after that, and really started putting in the effort that I knew that it deserved because I had heard that message, but I was probably in that withdrawal spirit, like time again, where I was like, I'm not too sure.
• 10:37
  SPEAKER_02: Like I really want to go into this.
• 10:39
  SPEAKER_02: Or I knew that I wanted to, but the timing of it just felt really misaligned.
• 10:44
  SPEAKER_02: And I really do feel it was that job that was really pushing me back because it just was not letting my creativity flow as a manifestant generator, being at a desk, you know, eight hours not ideal for birthday and creativity and going everywhere and changing your mind and being that light.
• 11:01
  SPEAKER_01: I always call it light of the ocean water that flits, whereas peer generators are sort of like the sun and radiant, and people are drawn to them to their warmth.
• 11:08
  SPEAKER_01: But you're also the sun, but you're more the rays of the sun that are in every different direction and flitting off the water of the ocean.
• 11:15
  SPEAKER_01: I think it so yeah, not ideal.
• 11:18
  SPEAKER_01: And Spear made that decision.
• 11:20
  SPEAKER_01: What I'm hearing in your story is, you know, correct me if I'm I think I'm right on this.
• 11:26
  SPEAKER_01: Like when you took that leap, which was terrifying for me, I don't know how it was for you to get into professional training, right?
• 11:35
  SPEAKER_01: With did you have a goal of having a business at that point?
• 11:38
  SPEAKER_01: Or were you just like, I feel like I need to do this, I want to know more about this.
• 11:42
  SPEAKER_01: I mean zero program.
• 11:45
  SPEAKER_02: Uh yes and no, because I had been studying astrology probably since 2022 and really strengthening my spiritual skills, but I was one of those like, oh, y'all never have a business, it'll never turn into anything.
• 11:57
  SPEAKER_02: Me too.
• 11:58
  SPEAKER_03: Me too.
• 11:59
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, it was actually early 2025.
• 12:01
  SPEAKER_02: I actually did a it was like a weekend deep dive type of mentorship training, but it was in person and it was just the most intense thing.
• 12:09
  SPEAKER_02: And that's what really catapulted me to even start my website.
• 12:12
  SPEAKER_02: But then it kind of went to a standstill again.
• 12:15
  SPEAKER_02: So at that point, though, I did realize I had these intuitive abilities and I was like, wow, I really need to act on this.
• 12:20
  SPEAKER_02: Like I do have something here.
• 12:22
  SPEAKER_02: But yeah, it wasn't until I did another mentorship program at the end of the year around the time that I got laid off, is that what really catapulted me because just having the support and the community, and that's where I would say, even to answer your question from before, I do feel that drive when I do have supportive people around me.
• 12:40
  SPEAKER_02: When I am in community, I do feel like I'm having to hold someone's hand or being able to walk because I know that I can do it.
• 12:47
  SPEAKER_02: But I think just having that safety to be in community with others is what then helps me to really identify the skills that I have and really have belief in myself that I can do what I set out to do.
• 12:59
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 12:59
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, so you've got these periods of ebbs and flows.
• 13:02
  SPEAKER_01: The way that two lines are described is they go in where they build this creativity, then they come out and they share it.
• 13:09
  SPEAKER_01: And actually, the natural part is what you're talking about next, which is this community piece.
• 13:15
  SPEAKER_01: So as a quote unquote natural two line, there are things that you're really fantastic at that come effortlessly to you that you cannot identify without other people's help.
• 13:25
  SPEAKER_01: Because they just come effortlessly to you.
• 13:27
  SPEAKER_01: So, you know, when you're talking about an I know as like another part of your life, you're a VA, you're a virtual assistant, like you're and we should mention for the astrology people, you're double Virgo, right?
• 13:41
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, Virgo, non-Virgo, rising, Leo Moy.
• 13:43
  SPEAKER_01: That's the other crazy thing when we met, speaking of like how spirit just leads you.
• 13:48
  SPEAKER_01: I'm splenic authority.
• 13:50
  SPEAKER_01: And I just all of a sudden was like, oh, I'm into astrology now.
• 13:53
  SPEAKER_01: I had never been into it before.
• 13:54
  SPEAKER_01: There are two sets of astrology in human design and never into it.
• 13:58
  SPEAKER_01: And then literally a week later, Adriana reached out and was like, hey, you should be Jocelyn.
• 14:03
  SPEAKER_01: Well, I don't know.
• 14:04
  SPEAKER_01: I know.
• 14:04
  SPEAKER_01: Isn't that wild?
• 14:06
  SPEAKER_01: That's crazy.
• 14:06
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 14:08
  SPEAKER_01: But you're talking about this sense of community.
• 14:10
  SPEAKER_01: And so you will have these things.
• 14:12
  SPEAKER_01: Maybe astrology is one of them.
• 14:14
  SPEAKER_01: Maybe organizing people is another one of them that people will point out to you that you are really good at them.
• 14:22
  SPEAKER_01: And I've heard from two lines that they can't really explain it.
• 14:27
  SPEAKER_01: Like there are people who will be like, How do you do that?
• 14:29
  SPEAKER_01: And you're like, I don't know.
• 14:30
  SPEAKER_01: I just do it.
• 14:31
  SPEAKER_01: Is that a fair way to say that?
• 14:33
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, 100%.
• 14:35
  SPEAKER_01: What if people identified in you that has always just been easy that you're just really good at?
• 15:41
  SPEAKER_02: Well, we were talking about it earlier, but just about planning.
• 15:44
  SPEAKER_02: Like that really.
• 15:45
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, shadow like her algorith a little bit earlier.
• 15:48
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 15:49
  SPEAKER_02: Being able to literally visualize everything that needs to get done and being able to then put it in a certain order and then have it done in a certain way.
• 15:58
  SPEAKER_02: That was something that I never knew that other people couldn't do.
• 16:01
  SPEAKER_02: Quickly, I can just see everything, put it in a specific order, and execute it from A to Z.
• 16:06
  SPEAKER_02: I didn't know that people couldn't do that.
• 16:08
  SPEAKER_02: I was like, whoa, I just can do it naturally.
• 16:10
  SPEAKER_02: I can just see the bigger picture.
• 16:12
  SPEAKER_02: I can see something that needs to be organized and already see it in my head exactly the way it's supposed to look like, and then just do it.
• 16:17
  SPEAKER_02: Once it's clear, if it's clear to me, bam, we can just go to town.
• 16:20
  SPEAKER_02: If it's fuzzy, that's when I kind of panic.
• 16:23
  SPEAKER_01: You know what is so interesting about what you're saying is there is something called a design sense.
• 16:28
  SPEAKER_01: And it's like a super sense, it's part of what you bring to the world.
• 16:32
  SPEAKER_01: Yours is called inner vision, which is literally you uh needing to see things in your mind's eye and envision them.
• 16:41
  SPEAKER_01: That is your super sense.
• 16:43
  SPEAKER_01: So when you're talking about something that you're really good at and being able to go inward and envision it, that is that is uh part of your design.
• 16:51
  SPEAKER_01: It's written into your design.
• 16:53
  SPEAKER_01: And actually, I was listening to a podcast, De Luna Shout Out Podcast, Human Design Podcast, talking about uh helping your children using this uh design sense.
• 17:04
  SPEAKER_01: And they were talking about a baby with inner vision or a child with inner vision, and they need to, they were saying, have a little bit of a heads up, be able to envision what's themselves doing something.
• 17:17
  SPEAKER_01: And good questions when kids are excited and they don't have the words and they don't have, they're not necessarily as articulate.
• 17:23
  SPEAKER_01: I want to dance.
• 17:24
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, do you see yourself in hip-hop shoes?
• 17:28
  SPEAKER_01: Do you see yourself as a ballerina?
• 17:30
  SPEAKER_01: Do you see yourself, how do you see yourself?
• 17:33
  SPEAKER_01: So that is, does that resonate with you?
• 17:35
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, that's definitely resonates and almost on the opposite end, because when I feel like when I'm not giving the space or even the patience to do that, I well again, I don't I don't want to get too much into this, but I feel like the family that I was raised in are very go, go, go, go, go.
• 17:57
  SPEAKER_02: And that would always be extremely conflicting for me because I'm like, wait, like give me a second.
• 18:03
  SPEAKER_02: Like, I need to process this.
• 18:05
  SPEAKER_02: And they're like, wait a minute, you know, just go, go, go.
• 18:07
  SPEAKER_02: And just like the constant like pressure to just act and like, you know, move.
• 18:12
  SPEAKER_02: And I always knew that about myself that I needed space.
• 18:17
  SPEAKER_02: I needed to have that time to release what's happening, yeah, envision it before I can make the next step.
• 18:23
  SPEAKER_02: So that is incredible.
• 18:24
  SPEAKER_02: I did not know that.
• 18:25
  SPEAKER_01: But it's a gift that you're bringing to people too.
• 18:28
  SPEAKER_01: So not only is it a gift for you, it's helpful for you to know, like as an entrepreneur, when you are making decisions.
• 18:36
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, you're an emotional authority, so you know you have an emotional wave, you need to wait 24 to 48 hours.
• 18:41
  SPEAKER_01: You've also got this gut, yes, no, but the waiting until you feel something two days in a row, that's your intuition.
• 18:48
  SPEAKER_01: But also a good tool is if you are looking at office spaces, for example, can I see myself in this space?
• 18:55
  SPEAKER_01: Can I envision myself, you know, meditate?
• 18:59
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 18:59
  SPEAKER_01: You are a non-specific manifestor in your chart.
• 19:02
  SPEAKER_01: So you don't have to be thinking about the details, but can I feel myself doing how can I feel myself being in this job?
• 19:11
  SPEAKER_01: That's kind of interesting because with non-specific manifestors, and I'm talking about your lower right arrow.
• 19:18
  SPEAKER_01: If people are following along with their charts, if it's pointing right, you are a non-specific manifestor, which means I found that with my clients, their first claire, everybody has all the clairs, but the first claire is very usually clairsentience, which is clear feeling, more than clairvoyance, and you can develop both of them, but feel like clear feeling.
• 19:39
  SPEAKER_01: And then if you have a left-facing arrow, you are more clairvoyant and you are you're the person that the vision boards work for.
• 19:45
  SPEAKER_01: But for someone like Jocelyn, it's really more of a feeling.
• 19:50
  SPEAKER_01: It's like giving God the colors, the vine, the paintbrush, and then letting it go and seeing how it happens, but really you're feeling into that.
• 19:59
  SPEAKER_01: So it's interesting to me that you have this ability to envision and yet you also have this non-specific manifestor feeling trait.
• 20:10
  SPEAKER_01: So is it that you envision the feeling?
• 20:17
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, because that really is how it kind of comes about.
• 20:21
  SPEAKER_02: Like sometimes it really, it's almost like a puzzle piece.
• 20:25
  SPEAKER_02: It's like the vision has to match the feeling.
• 20:28
  SPEAKER_02: So I can vision vision things, but it's more of do I see it?
• 20:34
  SPEAKER_02: And I guess the missing piece really where the puzzle piece kind of comes about is the line or like the plan of action to get it done.
• 20:43
  SPEAKER_02: Like I can envision anything, but if I don't have the connecting dot of that feeling tied to it, then it's fuzzy and I can't do it.
• 20:50
  SPEAKER_02: Like I can't see things.
• 20:52
  SPEAKER_02: But the feeling has to be attached to it, and then all of a sudden it's kind of like that ladder to get there.
• 20:58
  SPEAKER_02: It disappears.
• 20:59
  SPEAKER_02: But if it's not there, it's like I just can't see it.
• 21:02
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 21:03
  SPEAKER_01: So does it resonate with you then that vision boards are less effective and it's more broad.
• 21:10
  SPEAKER_01: I want to feel XYZ way, or I want to.
• 21:15
  SPEAKER_01: Do you know what I'm saying?
• 21:16
  SPEAKER_02: Well, it's interesting when we had done our personal reading where you had mentioned that about vision boards, because that is something that I've always done.
• 21:23
  SPEAKER_02: And I never realized how because sometimes it would work.
• 21:28
  SPEAKER_02: Like I would look at my vision board at the end of the year, I'm like, whoa, like a lot of that stuff did happen.
• 21:32
  SPEAKER_02: And so I did kind of sit and think about that after we had that discussion.
• 21:37
  SPEAKER_02: And I did envision where, or I had that feeling where did I choose these pictures, or did I choose these images because of the way that they looked, or was it because how they made me feel?
• 21:50
  SPEAKER_02: And I really the ones that came true were because how I felt with them, because I could see myself like on the beaches of Hawaii.
• 21:58
  SPEAKER_02: I could see myself.
• 21:59
  SPEAKER_02: One picture that I had, it was actually of a woman that had her arms out like this.
• 22:05
  SPEAKER_02: And I remember when I saw that picture, I was like, whoa, like just that sense of freedom, that sense of peace.
• 22:12
  SPEAKER_02: And like fast forward, that's actually the picture I have on my website.
• 22:15
  SPEAKER_02: I was gonna say, is that the one that And that wasn't even like on purpose, you know, it was just I had done that and looked back and I was like, whoa, like that was the exact same thing.
• 22:25
  SPEAKER_02: Like the feeling that you, okay, that's so cool.
• 22:29
  SPEAKER_01: Wow, yeah, realizing all this at the same time you are.
• 22:32
  SPEAKER_01: So this is cool.
• 22:33
  SPEAKER_01: Listen, there are so many ways to look at this.
• 22:37
  SPEAKER_01: And I think we mentioned this briefly, but I'll just reiterate it for people who are listening.
• 22:42
  SPEAKER_01: The way that human design works is it's just layers and layers and layers of different types of wisdom.
• 22:48
  SPEAKER_01: And it's almost if you picture like different dots, like George, like Sarah, you know, those paintings that are just like but it's like one layer is black, one layer is gray, one layer is great.
• 23:00
  SPEAKER_01: Is orange.
• 23:00
  SPEAKER_01: And then together they all make the painting, but separately they just look like a bunch of dots.
• 23:05
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 23:06
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 23:07
  SPEAKER_01: And so it's so interesting to me to hear how these dots interact with each other.
• 23:13
  SPEAKER_01: Because in my readings, you know, the angels will lead me toward what you need to hear about in your chart to help you most with, you know, confidence and trusting yourself and knowing yourself and knowing your gifts.
• 23:24
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 23:25
  SPEAKER_01: But that's just one little dot.
• 23:27
  SPEAKER_01: And it's just so cool to see the nuance of your inner vision sense, design sense, and also your non-specific.
• 23:39
  SPEAKER_01: So so like you have that, it it combines both of them.
• 23:42
  SPEAKER_01: I just think that's so fascinating.
• 23:45
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 23:46
  SPEAKER_02: And that's cool because feeling isn't specific.
• 23:48
  SPEAKER_02: You know, it's like you can't really put words to feelings at times, you know?
• 23:53
  SPEAKER_02: So that's energetic.
• 23:54
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 23:54
  SPEAKER_01: It's energetic.
• 23:56
  SPEAKER_01: That's I mean, that's so interesting to like weave that part of your chart together.
• 24:02
  SPEAKER_01: And I hope that resonates with people who are listening.
• 24:05
  SPEAKER_01: Because I mean, can you imagine getting your chart?
• 24:07
  SPEAKER_01: This is like why I do this podcast.
• 24:10
  SPEAKER_01: It's like you get this chart, you're like, okay, non-specific manifestor.
• 24:14
  SPEAKER_01: Why do I do vision boards?
• 24:16
  SPEAKER_01: Because I'm a Virgo.
• 24:17
  SPEAKER_01: Because I like it's just because I like order and I like things to be correct.
• 24:22
  SPEAKER_01: How does that go with my, you know, being she said, I I'm clarified, sentiator.
• 24:28
  SPEAKER_01: I like feelings and I my authority, my intuition is how I feel.
• 24:32
  SPEAKER_01: So what how does that jive with this vision stuff?
• 24:35
  SPEAKER_01: And like what you were saying is just well, that's how it works.
• 24:39
  SPEAKER_01: You've got this ability to envision and it's sort of like you're a hybrid then.
• 24:48
  SPEAKER_01: But you're more focused.
• 24:49
  SPEAKER_01: Correct me if I'm wrong, it sounds to me like you're more focused on the feeling as a becoming a visual representation rather than I want this pair of shoes.
• 25:01
  SPEAKER_02: And I think that's where even the, you know, I'm sure this is probably another part of my chart, but it being when I'm in this indecisive time, and you had even said it at a different time where you're like, if you're unsure, then that's a no.
• 25:14
  SPEAKER_02: And I'm like, okay, like that for now.
• 25:16
  SPEAKER_02: But that's definitely, I feel like along the same lines that we're talking about.
• 25:19
  SPEAKER_02: Cause when something isn't clear, or when I do feel unsure or indecisive, oh, how should this look?
• 25:25
  SPEAKER_02: Then it, you know, brings me into those periods of withdrawal and like, whoa, I can't handle this.
• 25:33
  SPEAKER_02: Like, I need to step away, or you know, and I'm in this place where I feel like I'm learning a lot of these things.
• 25:39
  SPEAKER_02: So I'm able to work with them better.
• 25:41
  SPEAKER_02: But in my first, you know, especially in my 20s, I would take the opposite route where all of this, I feel like I was doing everything wrong in every single area where I was forcing things, where I was like telling myself, because, you know, what was, you know, you have to all the shoulds basically, you know, you should be doing this at this age, and then forcing these things that didn't feel right, but forcing it on myself.
• 26:03
  SPEAKER_02: Like I can have an example when I was going to buy a house and I was like, well, like it should feel this way, and I I can quote see it, but do I actually feel it?
• 26:15
  SPEAKER_02: Maybe not, but I should be getting a house before I turn 30.
• 26:17
  SPEAKER_02: So let me just go all in on this and then having it all blow up in my face and getting laid off a week before my closing and having to my house, and you know, and then the universe kind of shifts you.
• 26:26
  SPEAKER_02: But that's one of the, you know, I feel like on the opposite end of learning how to not work with, you know, if someone has something similar like this, it's like being able to be in this flow state and not having to force things.
• 26:38
  SPEAKER_02: If you can't see the vision, if you can't feel the feeling that's tied with that, to not force it and not have these like, oh, it should be looking like this, or you should have things done a certain way, then that is like a clear sign of, you know, when things don't align that way, that's a clear sign to walk away from it and to be able to see things a little bit better.
• 26:58
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, and that's gotta be also confusing because like we're told and society, we've made it so like logic.
• 27:05
  SPEAKER_01: This is the whole point of human dish is why I love it so much too, is that human design takes you out of your head and into your body because we all we have all this conditioning and societal agreements we've made, you know, and one of the norms that you perceived in your life is I need a house by the time I'm 30.
• 27:23
  SPEAKER_01: And, you know, you've got this feeling, like that's your intuition, and then you've got this gut.
• 27:29
  SPEAKER_01: But like, and I can imagine if having that in vision that pulls you straight up back into, you know, from a spiritual perspective, your mind's eye, right?
• 27:41
  SPEAKER_01: So it would make sense that it would be kind of a challenge to distinguish between the mind's eye and being up in your head and then going back into your body for your logic.
• 27:53
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 27:54
  SPEAKER_01: I think about this too.
• 27:55
  SPEAKER_02: When things get really crazy up here in the headspace, it's so hard to distinguish what the feeling or the logic or the safety or any sense of anything.
• 28:06
  SPEAKER_02: And at that time when I did lose my job and lost the house, that's what caused me to go into a rock bottom.
• 28:11
  SPEAKER_02: And so that is like the result of all of that pressure.
• 28:14
  SPEAKER_02: It's like full shutdown, like full depression, full couldn't have any sense of anything.
• 28:20
  SPEAKER_02: Like that's how debilitating everything got at that point because of all of that tension up there.
• 28:27
  SPEAKER_01: Well, it seems like it's sort of alchemy, which I used to hate that word because it feels so high.
• 28:34
  SPEAKER_01: But what it is is turning your pain into healing or transmuting things into healing.
• 28:38
  SPEAKER_01: It just seems like what your two line naturally does is it withdraws when there's an overwhelm and returns to creativity.
• 28:48
  SPEAKER_01: And you know, as a generator type, that's literally how your body is wired to get that guess and to do things that light you up.
• 28:58
  SPEAKER_01: That's why you're here.
• 28:59
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 29:00
  SPEAKER_01: And it sort of sounds like you got to a point where it was just like you're doing so much, you're using your energy so much not for what feels good to you.
• 29:09
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 29:10
  SPEAKER_01: And it's kind of like it seems like it's like a little safeguard that pulls you back and reminds you when you get into these places of, you know, dark or reflection.
• 29:21
  SPEAKER_01: It brings you into that healing, which is creativity for you.
• 29:26
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 29:26
  SPEAKER_02: Cause that was like a really dark time, but it was also what birthed my business, my name is Power, because that's where I realized I gave my power away to literally everything.
• 29:37
  SPEAKER_02: I gave it away to the company that I was working for, I gave it away to family members that I didn't get along with.
• 29:42
  SPEAKER_02: I gave it away to relationships that weren't in my highest good.
• 29:45
  SPEAKER_02: Like I gave it away to literally everything to where I didn't have anything.
• 29:49
  SPEAKER_02: And that's what literally like birthed, you know, my name is Power.
• 29:53
  SPEAKER_02: I was like, no, I'm my power lies in here.
• 29:56
  SPEAKER_02: My power is my power is my identity.
• 29:59
  SPEAKER_02: It's who I am.
• 30:00
  SPEAKER_02: And as long as this is full, everything else doesn't matter.
• 30:03
  SPEAKER_02: And that's where I yeah, I look at healing in the charts because that's everybody has a story, everybody has healing that needs to be worked through, but that's where my true passion lies.
• 30:14
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 30:15
  SPEAKER_01: And you know, you become what you need, I think, when it comes to that.
• 30:19
  SPEAKER_01: And that's why, you know, especially, and I could go into several different parts of your chart, but something that really hit that that speak to that.
• 30:26
  SPEAKER_01: You've got a six line which suggests that you're a guide.
• 30:29
  SPEAKER_01: You've got, you know, that you through your own experience are, you know, helping others just through how you live.
• 30:35
  SPEAKER_01: But I had a reading yesterday and it was all about power.
• 30:38
  SPEAKER_01: And actually, I think I talked about your perspective, the way that you see the world is through who has power and who doesn't.
• 30:46
  SPEAKER_01: And so I think we talked about that.
• 30:48
  SPEAKER_01: But what we might not have talked about, or what I talked about with this woman yesterday, yesterday, was about her completely open ego or heart center.
• 30:59
  SPEAKER_01: So I'll show this to you really quick just so you could see what I'm about.
• 31:05
  SPEAKER_01: It's this white space.
• 31:07
  SPEAKER_01: Talking about the grooves and the nubs, the nubs of the puzzle piece are the, you know, are the colored in spaces where you're putting energy into the world consistently.
• 31:16
  SPEAKER_01: And the white is where you're taking in, becoming wise, and actually amplifying back.
• 31:20
  SPEAKER_01: This open ego center means that your sense of self-worth and ability to get things done and sense of, you know, commitment and drive is directly impacted by the people around you, by your environment, by the energy that's around you.
• 31:36
  SPEAKER_01: And the reason I bring this up is because the message that her angels were giving her was the power is within you, you know, and as someone who derives their sense of self-esteem, that it's not consistent, you know, your sense of self-esteem is probably just like neutral, right?
• 31:56
  SPEAKER_01: Not, you know, there's not like a high sense, and you actually have a completely open one.
• 32:00
  SPEAKER_01: So there's not even a gate that's coloring the way that when you are around someone with that lit up, that would be your energy.
• 32:06
  SPEAKER_01: So it's just sort of neutral.
• 32:08
  SPEAKER_01: So you really need to understand that your power comes from how you feel about things, from that gut sense that you have, from your lit up screen full of instinct, full of knowing how to keep yourself safe.
• 32:20
  SPEAKER_01: Like you have all of these beautiful things.
• 32:22
  SPEAKER_01: It's just in the way that we've set up society, uh external validation is a huge thing.
• 32:30
  SPEAKER_01: And logically, you know, I should be here.
• 32:33
  SPEAKER_01: And also, uh, you know, when it comes to our belief in ourselves, like if someone else believes in us, and especially for you, you don't have that regular energy there that would give you that sense of you wouldn't have no self-esteem, you wouldn't have no sense that you could drive or do things, but it would be sort of up in the air and your energy would pick up what's around you.
• 32:54
  SPEAKER_01: So it makes sense that, you know, if you're around different people, and I was telling her this woman yesterday, like what spirit is saying is, you know, when you need to remind yourself of who you are and what you're thinking about, like what your intuition, what you're feeling it is telling you, what your gut is telling you, getting into a room by yourself is critical more than anything else.
• 33:18
  SPEAKER_01: People lock their design whether they know it or not.
• 33:20
  SPEAKER_01: But I think it's just interesting.
• 33:22
  SPEAKER_01: So you also feel it at one and a half times or two times.
• 33:26
  SPEAKER_01: Like if people believe in you, you really believe in yourself.
• 33:28
  SPEAKER_01: You can pick up on that and go.
• 33:31
  SPEAKER_01: If they don't and they don't value you, you also pick up on that.
• 33:37
  SPEAKER_01: And that can get hard, I would bet.
• 33:39
  SPEAKER_01: Can you talk?
• 33:40
  SPEAKER_01: Does that resonate with you about that?
• 33:42
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I mean, definitely back to that period that I was talking about when I had gotten laid off.
• 33:46
  SPEAKER_02: So all of that, there was a lot of things that happened, but basically pushed me into a rock bottom.
• 33:52
  SPEAKER_02: Mostly came down to me having to move back with my parents, which is something that when I moved out, I never wanted to do.
• 33:57
  SPEAKER_02: So already that was already a big, like, I guess, you know, slap to the ego, really, because I was like, oh, I'm never gonna move back home again.
• 34:05
  SPEAKER_02: And here we are.
• 34:07
  SPEAKER_01: By the way, this is called the Ego Heart Center.
• 34:09
  SPEAKER_01: So it's interesting that you said that.
• 34:10
  SPEAKER_02: Oh.
• 34:12
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 34:13
  SPEAKER_01: So I think belief in self.
• 34:14
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 34:15
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 34:15
  SPEAKER_02: So just being back here, it was one of those things where, like you said, I had felt it from many different layers where I just didn't have a job.
• 34:27
  SPEAKER_02: I didn't have money.
• 34:28
  SPEAKER_02: I was living with my parents.
• 34:29
  SPEAKER_02: So societally, externally, that's you're a failure.
• 34:32
  SPEAKER_02: You're down at the bottom.
• 34:33
  SPEAKER_02: And again, I wasn't married.
• 34:36
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, right.
• 34:37
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 34:37
  SPEAKER_02: So all those things that are the shoulds, but yeah, I wasn't married, no kids, no relationship, no nothing.
• 34:43
  SPEAKER_02: I basically had nothing in that was thrown in my face more times than I can count.
• 34:48
  SPEAKER_02: But then we would go out with a family, get togethers, and then I just could feel the shame my parents had that I wasn't where I was supposed to be in life.
• 34:57
  SPEAKER_02: And that was so, so difficult to feel that way.
• 35:02
  SPEAKER_02: I would feel the pressure of just a lot of things that were said at the time, whether it was from my parents or just from other people.
• 35:09
  SPEAKER_02: I didn't even have friends here.
• 35:10
  SPEAKER_02: So I didn't have anyone to really lean on.
• 35:13
  SPEAKER_02: And the closest people that I had also had gotten laid off.
• 35:16
  SPEAKER_02: So they also were in time.
• 35:18
  SPEAKER_02: So it was hard to lean on anyone really that could kind of help me get out of the hole.
• 35:23
  SPEAKER_02: And so that's where a lot of that, like you were saying, it was already the external, but then it just kind of pushed me further down and further down and further down.
• 35:33
  SPEAKER_01: Well, right, because if you're running into people who don't believe in you or who you're less worthy, and you already feel a sense around these people that you need to try to prove your worth because you don't have energy there.
• 35:46
  SPEAKER_01: You were trying to figure that out, kind of combat that, I guess.
• 35:49
  SPEAKER_01: Or spirit's saying that's not the right way to say that.
• 35:52
  SPEAKER_01: You all like if you're all if you're around, you already, if you're neutral, and it's sort of like you're very swayable, is what Spirit is showing me, like a paper on its side, like balancing.
• 36:03
  SPEAKER_01: So it just depends on like one person can completely knock it over one way or the other way.
• 36:09
  SPEAKER_01: And actually, that's a really cool metaphor for open centers.
• 36:13
  SPEAKER_01: So you just are very swayed by what other people are around you are giving the energy that they're giving you, and they see the true potential of and the effects of their own energy.
• 36:28
  SPEAKER_01: So from an idyllic perspective, we are all just showing each other.
• 36:32
  SPEAKER_01: Like, I'm an open emotional center, and so the example I give is like when my husband is a little bit upset, he's at a two, I feel like he's at a six, and I'm like, what's wrong?
• 36:43
  SPEAKER_01: Like, you are acting so upset, like just tell me what's wrong.
• 36:47
  SPEAKER_01: He's like, I don't know, I'm fine.
• 36:48
  SPEAKER_01: Like I had a weird day at work, I don't know.
• 36:51
  SPEAKER_01: And for him, he's used to feeling those emotional waves.
• 36:54
  SPEAKER_01: For me, I see it as a mountain lake, but also that piece of paper, right?
• 36:58
  SPEAKER_01: So I'm like bowled over.
• 36:59
  SPEAKER_01: And in an ideal world, he would be like, Wow, thank you for reflecting how my feelings can affect people.
• 37:07
  SPEAKER_01: Like instead, it just looks like I'm over dramatic because I'm picking up on what he's giving me times one and a half, times two.
• 37:14
  SPEAKER_01: Hopefully, you had a couple of defined egos in there who knew their self-worth, but then you're all sort of just sort of pushing each other's papers over.
• 37:23
  SPEAKER_01: You know what I mean?
• 37:25
  SPEAKER_01: And none of it's coming from you, which is why it's so uh cool and aligned for you to say, no, no, no.
• 37:36
  SPEAKER_01: My environment does not determine my worth.
• 37:41
  SPEAKER_01: I feel this.
• 37:42
  SPEAKER_01: I have this strong, grounded, sacral energy, these beautiful emotions.
• 37:48
  SPEAKER_01: Like you feel very strongly and emotionally attached to this message because it is a part of who you are.
• 37:54
  SPEAKER_01: It's a part of what you're here to do and be.
• 37:57
  SPEAKER_01: And it's so aligned for you to not like turn from that external validation.
• 38:04
  SPEAKER_01: You know what I'm saying?
• 38:05
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 38:05
  SPEAKER_02: And I feel like the turning point for me really came when I got connected to a psychic.
• 38:11
  SPEAKER_02: I went to like a psychic fair just because I was curious about this stuff.
• 38:15
  SPEAKER_02: That's the time that I did start studying astrology, but then really getting into like the psychic part of it or the intuitive part of it.
• 38:22
  SPEAKER_01: You're a medium.
• 38:23
  SPEAKER_02: I just felt like there was something.
• 38:25
  SPEAKER_02: And I knew that was the hardest part because I knew that I felt sad.
• 38:29
  SPEAKER_02: I knew that I felt depressed.
• 38:30
  SPEAKER_02: I knew I was so consciously aware of what I was going through, but just could not see the light to get through it.
• 38:37
  SPEAKER_02: Like I just felt so in immersed in the darkness that there was like I couldn't do it on my own.
• 38:44
  SPEAKER_02: And then yeah, I just ended up going to like I saw a psychic fair that was in San Diego.
• 38:49
  SPEAKER_02: So I just decided to go.
• 38:52
  SPEAKER_02: And there was like a speaker that, you know, gave her little taught.
• 38:55
  SPEAKER_02: They have like little speakers on in in a room.
• 38:57
  SPEAKER_02: And yeah, I just felt drawn to her.
• 38:59
  SPEAKER_02: And so when she went back to like her booth, I sat down with her and it was crazy because I think it was only meant to be like a half-hour reading, and we ended up going for like more than an hour because she was like, Oh my god, I have so much to tell, so much was coming through.
• 39:12
  SPEAKER_02: And that's the first time I ever had a reading like that.
• 39:16
  SPEAKER_02: But the way that she was able to feel into my energy, I could just tell how it just felt so insane.
• 39:24
  SPEAKER_02: It was just the most beautiful messages that she had for me.
• 39:27
  SPEAKER_02: And that was the light that I saw that I was like, oh my God, I can get out of this.
• 39:32
  SPEAKER_02: I can get out of this hole.
• 39:33
  SPEAKER_02: And that's actually one of the things that inspired me to really get to where I'm at now because I felt how life-changing that was to get these messages, to know that my spirit team is here with me.
• 39:44
  SPEAKER_02: One of the images that she had was like, I literally, she's like, I saw you in the room when I was giving my talk, and I saw your ancestors having their hands on your shoulders.
• 39:54
  SPEAKER_02: And she was like, I'm not surprised that you came here and sat with me because she had already seen that, that like they were supporting me.
• 40:02
  SPEAKER_02: That was the first image I got too.
• 40:04
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 40:05
  SPEAKER_02: And so that was life-changing for me to hear that.
• 40:07
  SPEAKER_02: So that's one of the reasons why I decided to even do this work in the first place, because that was the pivotal moment in my life that really changed everything.
• 40:13
  SPEAKER_02: And I'm still in contact with her, and she's one of my close friends.
• 40:16
  SPEAKER_02: So it's amazing.
• 40:17
  SPEAKER_01: What's interesting to me, too, in that reading is you know, she's giving you what she has to, it's almost like the angels.
• 40:26
  SPEAKER_01: You're borrowing the angel's sense of belief in you.
• 40:31
  SPEAKER_01: Because what she's doing is delivering that.
• 40:33
  SPEAKER_01: And you're picking up in that environment that sense of like the best part, the high expression of open centers is you feel the highest form of self-confidence and the highest form of ability to get things done.
• 40:50
  SPEAKER_01: Because when people around you do that, you can use that as momentum for yourself.
• 40:56
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 40:57
  SPEAKER_01: I thought that's really cool.
• 41:00
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, so the other thing they wanted me to talk about is this gate six, which I think is so I have this too.
• 41:10
  SPEAKER_01: And this is it's like called the provocate.
• 41:13
  SPEAKER_01: Let me just I had of course have my you'll love this.
• 41:16
  SPEAKER_01: I have a spreadsheet.
• 41:17
  SPEAKER_01: Let me just show you a Virgo hard.
• 41:20
  SPEAKER_01: This is also a projector trait that I have.
• 41:25
  SPEAKER_01: So I have like different definitions of each of these that I created when I was learning human design.
• 41:32
  SPEAKER_01: I just created this spreadsheet.
• 41:35
  SPEAKER_01: Oh wow.
• 41:36
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, cool.
• 41:38
  SPEAKER_01: So this is called the gate of friction, but they wanted me to talk about this gate six because I think it can be intimidating when you first hear about it.
• 41:47
  SPEAKER_01: So it says the law that growth cannot exist without friction.
• 41:52
  SPEAKER_01: It generates all three modes of emotional awareness, feelings, mood, and sensitivity.
• 41:56
  SPEAKER_01: Friction is created when you step into another person's aura.
• 41:59
  SPEAKER_01: If and when the conflict is resolved, opening and intimacy can proceed.
• 42:04
  SPEAKER_01: If not, wait out the emotional wave.
• 42:06
  SPEAKER_01: That's kind of like a diaphragm that either opens up to intimacy or closes, determining who to be intimate with and how and balance the outside and inside your body.
• 42:18
  SPEAKER_01: When you feel drawn to intimacy with someone, follow your strategy and authority.
• 42:22
  SPEAKER_01: Gift for fostering intimacy, sacred vulnerability.
• 42:26
  SPEAKER_01: Forcing intimacy can be triggering to others.
• 42:30
  SPEAKER_01: So I know how I experience this, but how do you I mean, I think I can just even talk about the way you and I met, right?
• 42:43
  SPEAKER_01: We mentioned at the beginning of this that you and I get deep fast.
• 42:47
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 42:47
  SPEAKER_01: And it's because we're sharing our chart, which is like let's sharing all the stuff that we have in there.
• 42:54
  SPEAKER_01: But also in terms of following our strategy, like we're, I don't know, are you quick to get very close to people or very intimate with people?
• 43:04
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah.
• 43:05
  SPEAKER_01: That's how that's that's how I am naturally too.
• 43:07
  SPEAKER_01: And we both have the gate, so maybe it's just we don't see it.
• 43:12
  SPEAKER_01: But you responded to an email, right?
• 43:16
  SPEAKER_01: And actually Adriana responded to by hooking us up.
• 43:20
  SPEAKER_01: And then I got an invitation to connect with you.
• 43:24
  SPEAKER_01: So as a projector, I waited for the invitation, and that created this sense of intimacy in our friendship.
• 43:32
  SPEAKER_01: But I know that I can be a lot for people.
• 43:39
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know if you've ever felt that a lotness, but for me, that's how that feels is like somehow I have created through my own sense of sharing authentic auth authentically, it creates this friction.
• 43:56
  SPEAKER_01: It creates this sense of, you know, people are either gonna love it or they're gonna be really put off by it.
• 44:02
  SPEAKER_01: Is that your experience as well?
• 44:05
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, like 100%.
• 44:06
  SPEAKER_02: But also I feel like I can almost feel it beforehand.
• 44:12
  SPEAKER_02: Like I know when someone is ready for that, like to go deep, but also I can feel when it's like I know to not even try to go there, you know.
• 44:21
  SPEAKER_02: Like it's just you can just feel that right when you meet someone or have that, like, like it doesn't take long.
• 44:27
  SPEAKER_02: And I I can really sense that a lot more.
• 44:30
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, I feel like I can sense it in many different areas of my life, but mostly when I was dating, when I was I was always on the apps for so long.
• 44:38
  SPEAKER_02: Like I was on the app.
• 44:40
  SPEAKER_01: I can't even imagine.
• 44:43
  SPEAKER_02: And I feel like that is something to where I guess compared to other people that I knew that were on the apps, also, but I knew that my experience was different because I could match with someone or even have a you know, just the first opener, liner, or first conversation, and I would know from the get go if it Was right or wrong.
• 45:00
  SPEAKER_02: Like, I'm like, nope, I I know I can't even get there with this person.
• 45:04
  SPEAKER_02: And so I can sense that where it's like an almost like an automatic, like, yeah, like that's a conflict, but it's just more of like that just knowing just right away whether you can get deep with someone or not, or if it's gonna stay surface level or not, because I just feel like, you know, that was just such a big factor, like right at the beginning.
• 45:28
  SPEAKER_02: If this person can't talk about X, then it's not there.
• 45:31
  SPEAKER_02: If this person can't even talk about this, it's not even there, you know.
• 45:34
  SPEAKER_02: I remember there was one guy that really said things off in a negative way, but I remember I had told him my dad had gone in a car accident and he just completely brushed it off.
• 45:43
  SPEAKER_02: And I was like, yeah, didn't even and I was just like, like, what?
• 45:48
  SPEAKER_02: Like you can't even like to share something very intimate, right?
• 45:51
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, because I was worried when right and that wasn't even there when it was like things like that, where it's like I purposely would say things, and I think I've even evolved to there when I met my now boyfriend that he like just right off the bat, just like, we're gonna talk deep.
• 46:09
  SPEAKER_02: I'm gonna tell you about this.
• 46:10
  SPEAKER_02: These are my plans, I want this.
• 46:11
  SPEAKER_02: I just went full on in because I knew at that point where I was just willing to, I didn't want anything less than what I knew that I deserved at that point when I had met him.
• 46:21
  SPEAKER_02: And so I just gave it all straight up from the beginning.
• 46:23
  SPEAKER_02: I'm like, this is what I want, this is what I'm looking for, you know, and laid it all out.
• 46:28
  SPEAKER_02: And what just happened, he was right on the same page and was able, we were having these deep intimate talks right at the beginning.
• 46:34
  SPEAKER_02: I think within the first week we talked about kids and marriage and all that.
• 46:38
  SPEAKER_02: And so on like a different perspective of what you were talking about, but I feel like that's really plays into this with dating.
• 46:45
  SPEAKER_01: Totally.
• 46:46
  SPEAKER_01: So a couple of things that I really resonate with too, and it's something that's interesting, is that sense I used to call myself Kimmy Gibler because I was just so like direct and shary.
• 47:02
  SPEAKER_01: And you know what's interesting, and I I think what you were talking about in terms of dating too, you were basically once you engaged with someone, uh you picked up on their emotional availability and their willingness, and then you would sort of like the image that spirits giving me is like, have you seen dirty dancing?
• 47:25
  SPEAKER_01: No, I'm the one that has not seen that.
• 47:28
  SPEAKER_01: But you know that there's a lift, right?
• 47:30
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
• 47:31
  SPEAKER_01: She jumps up, that's what they're showing me.
• 47:33
  SPEAKER_01: It's like you and I are like you know what I mean.
• 47:37
  SPEAKER_01: Go up and share that.
• 47:40
  SPEAKER_01: And so first of all, you waited.
• 47:43
  SPEAKER_01: I think this is an important thing.
• 47:45
  SPEAKER_01: I don't walk around reading into people's energy.
• 47:48
  SPEAKER_01: Like you need to have permission before you can really read into someone's energy.
• 47:53
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, you needed to be talking to these guys before you can really sense this.
• 47:58
  SPEAKER_01: But then once you can, it's like a superpower that you can get really deep with people.
• 48:04
  SPEAKER_01: I think where your and my experience differs is I'm not defined emotionally.
• 48:09
  SPEAKER_01: So I don't always have energy there.
• 48:12
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 48:13
  SPEAKER_01: So I don't always have that discernment when it comes to who I know would receive my intimacy well.
• 48:22
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 48:23
  SPEAKER_01: It's just that and that's very interesting to me.
• 48:25
  SPEAKER_01: And I think it's a probably a good example.
• 48:27
  SPEAKER_01: Like I can really feel it when people are, but it's not something I don't use my feelings the way that you do.
• 48:35
  SPEAKER_01: But I would have to follow my spleen, which is a sense of knowing.
• 48:40
  SPEAKER_01: And so I do get, and you know that feeling well because you also have it, but it tends to just give you a little bit of a warning more than a go ahead, if that makes sense.
• 48:51
  SPEAKER_01: So like I will know once I've done it, you know.
• 48:56
  SPEAKER_01: If if I'll be like, oh, that's their nope, they're not into it.
• 49:00
  SPEAKER_01: And then it's my job to sort of read the room and you know, keep moving.
• 49:04
  SPEAKER_01: But for me, that was a lot of how I experienced my sixth line.
• 49:09
  SPEAKER_01: And I think this is the last thing we'll talk about is the sixth line on our profiles.
• 49:13
  SPEAKER_01: You and I share, which is the guide.
• 49:16
  SPEAKER_01: It means that I briefly mentioned earlier that you and I are here to evolve and learn and grow and reflect and then become the best version of ourselves based on what we've reflected on and what we've learned and how we've grown.
• 49:31
  SPEAKER_01: And then not necessarily share that in terms of like, this is the way I did it, because it's just sort of you and I, by being our true authentic selves, you know, are helpful in that way just by being.
• 49:46
  SPEAKER_01: Now, you have to get there.
• 49:48
  SPEAKER_01: You have to go through the stuff.
• 49:51
  SPEAKER_01: And in particular, the first 30 years I found with people to speak astrology before your Saturn return, we are living as a three-line, which a three-line in human design is the doer, the trier, the experimenter.
• 50:06
  SPEAKER_01: And they will, they are sort of not immune to failure, but it doesn't really hurt.
• 50:13
  SPEAKER_01: They sort of have it's kind of like what spirit is showing me is like kind of like we both learn, like by climbing the playground, like kinesthesia.
• 50:22
  SPEAKER_01: What I'm talking about kinest kinetically, kinetically, that's what I'm talking about, not kinesthesia, but we both learn like hands-on, but they've got pads on.
• 50:32
  SPEAKER_01: So when they fall on their knees, like they're like, okay, that didn't work.
• 50:36
  SPEAKER_01: Next.
• 50:37
  SPEAKER_01: And we don't have that.
• 50:40
  SPEAKER_01: So we are going through learning these lessons over and over.
• 50:44
  SPEAKER_01: Mine had to do with this being too much intruding on people's, you know, intimacy, like being just too weird, I guess, or or too real, or too catching people off guard with how I was willing to talk about certain things that are, you know, not necessarily what you first talk about with people.
• 51:04
  SPEAKER_01: Some people loved it, some people hated it, you know, but over and over I skinned my knees on the wrong people.
• 51:12
  SPEAKER_01: You know, and so that becomes a wound of mine.
• 51:15
  SPEAKER_01: What am I saying wrong?
• 51:17
  SPEAKER_01: And actually, this is tying into my open throat, I think, is like, what am I saying wrong?
• 51:21
  SPEAKER_01: I can't trust myself to speak kind of a thing.
• 51:24
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 51:25
  SPEAKER_01: I can't trust how I feel.
• 51:28
  SPEAKER_01: But that is where I am now in my Saturn return.
• 51:31
  SPEAKER_01: That's where you and I go on as six lines.
• 51:35
  SPEAKER_01: It's called going on the roof, which means things slow down and it becomes more clear what we want.
• 51:46
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 51:47
  SPEAKER_01: And then we're supposed to spend the next, it's sort of like we're sort of living, and this would resonate with you as a two-line, because it's sort of like we withdraw a little bit.
• 51:57
  SPEAKER_01: Like, whereas we thought we needed to figure out a whole lot of stuff and do a lot of stuff in the first three years.
• 52:03
  SPEAKER_01: Then we sort of now we think about it.
• 52:06
  SPEAKER_01: You just went through that transition, right?
• 52:08
  SPEAKER_01: Does that resonate with you?
• 52:10
  SPEAKER_01: And, you know, what did you maybe did you maybe skin your knees on your open space?
• 52:15
  SPEAKER_01: I'm wondering if maybe it's your sense of self-worth.
• 52:17
  SPEAKER_01: I wonder if it has to do with your open centers.
• 52:21
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I think a big part of at least my Saturn return was like, yes, everything that you said, but also, I mean, I guess I'm seeing it in the astrological sense, but go for it.
• 52:33
  SPEAKER_02: But I have my Saturn in my seventh house, which is of partnerships and commitments.
• 52:37
  SPEAKER_02: And that so amongst all that, the gift that I got was really my boyfriend.
• 52:42
  SPEAKER_02: And I do feel like there was a part that I was able to love myself enough to then be able to love somebody else.
• 52:50
  SPEAKER_02: And I think, like you said, that is totally on point of all that transition because I do feel like the reason why I'd never been in a serious relationship, I never really had, you know, really any type of relationship prior to the boyfriend that I have now.
• 53:06
  SPEAKER_02: Well, I had little things in there, but nothing ever felt the way that it feels now.
• 53:10
  SPEAKER_02: But I feel because I always brought myself down or never really even loved myself, or never my worth really, like it's even the power, lied on everybody else that what they thought of me.
• 53:23
  SPEAKER_02: So it was always like, how can I get this person to like me or love me or fall in love with me and not do I actually even love them?
• 53:31
  SPEAKER_02: Do I actually even want to be with them?
• 53:32
  SPEAKER_02: Like it was always about the external validation.
• 53:36
  SPEAKER_02: And I do feel in that period where I had my rock bottom and then brought myself back up.
• 53:40
  SPEAKER_02: And then I went through a full year of purposely not even talking or wanting to date anyone.
• 53:45
  SPEAKER_02: Like I was like, I'm just focusing on myself 100%.
• 53:48
  SPEAKER_02: I learned to love myself and really fell in love with myself and fell in love with all the parts of myself and the hard parts and the parts that I was always ashamed of, and learned to really embody all of that.
• 54:01
  SPEAKER_01: And then soon after I met my boyfriend, and it was just like, Yeah, well, you're stepping into your power, you're taking that perspective, and you're also leaning into your sacral, you know, generators have this renewable energy, but I see them also as guardians of life force energy.
• 54:17
  SPEAKER_01: So you are here to discern what is worth spending time on based on what you're here to do.
• 54:22
  SPEAKER_01: Like, because I'm not getting anywhere without your energy, you know?
• 54:26
  SPEAKER_01: And I feel like generators have been pushed into doing doing because they have the energy to.
• 54:32
  SPEAKER_01: And it feels like, well, I have it, so I might as well give it, even if I don't feel like it in your case, or even if I'm getting that because rude, why would I not give it if I have it?
• 54:43
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 54:44
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 54:44
  SPEAKER_01: Actually, you're meant to discern that, and that teaches the world something.
• 54:49
  SPEAKER_01: Uh I'll have to.
• 54:51
  SPEAKER_01: I have like a theory now that you're saying this, or maybe this is just, you know, spirit guiding me in this.
• 54:56
  SPEAKER_01: I've just thundered, so maybe.
• 54:59
  SPEAKER_01: Did you also feel like you were struggling in this first 30 years with overthinking?
• 55:06
  SPEAKER_01: Mm-hmm.
• 55:07
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, yeah.
• 55:08
  SPEAKER_01: Because you also have an open, it's a an undefined head in Ajna, which, and you've got some, you know, definition there.
• 55:16
  SPEAKER_01: You've got this really this gate of like a really deep thinker of like why do we exist?
• 55:22
  SPEAKER_01: kind of thoughts.
• 55:23
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, and then you've got this like looking at patterns from the past to try to figure out what to do next.
• 55:29
  SPEAKER_01: And in the ajna, you've got this war gate, which I'm less familiar with, you're feeling driven to discover theories, solutions, and patterns to tackle common problems.
• 55:38
  SPEAKER_01: So these are your energies, but you have an open mind and an open head.
• 55:43
  SPEAKER_01: So I'm wondering if, meaning that you can take on the way other people think very easily.
• 55:51
  SPEAKER_01: And the way to discern what is yours and what is not is like, why am I doing this?
• 55:56
  SPEAKER_01: And that's when you tune into your intuition.
• 55:58
  SPEAKER_01: Like, yeah, am I thinking about this?
• 56:00
  SPEAKER_01: And in terms of how you process it or how you believe.
• 56:03
  SPEAKER_01: So if your head is your search engine, like your ajna is your processor or your your algorithm, really.
• 56:11
  SPEAKER_01: And you can do multiple.
• 56:13
  SPEAKER_01: So it would make sense to me.
• 56:14
  SPEAKER_01: I'm wondering if to get take this back at six lines, we are learning how to alchemize or how to, we are learning about our open spaces.
• 56:28
  SPEAKER_01: And that is where on the roof we like we've learned through trial and error, like if you're overthinking things or if you're using your logical mind too much, if you're, you know, for instance, buying a house because you think someone else, you know, thinks you should.
• 56:45
  SPEAKER_01: But learning these lessons, learning your self-worth, and then reflecting on that and then embodying it and healing it and defining your own energy, that makes total sense to me.
• 56:59
  SPEAKER_01: Because then you would be filling in, you know, I don't I don't know.
• 57:04
  SPEAKER_01: It would make sense that then once you realize that, then you can become a guide, you can let go of thinking that you're someone else's energy or thinking that you need someone else's energy to complete yourself.
• 57:14
  SPEAKER_02: And I will say, because what I'm really sensing with this in this theme, I feel like what really is coming forward for myself is I mean, there's no other way to say it, but basically death.
• 57:27
  SPEAKER_02: Like I do feel when people have died, that has been the biggest turning points for me on such a deep level.
• 57:35
  SPEAKER_02: Like I had a friend pass away in 2019, so I was 24.
• 57:40
  SPEAKER_02: That was the first one that really shook me up and really, you know, put things in a different perspective for me as far as like seeing life.
• 57:47
  SPEAKER_02: But in 2022, when I was going through that rock bottom, I had multiple people pass away.
• 57:52
  SPEAKER_02: I had two uncles pass away that same year that were close.
• 57:55
  SPEAKER_02: And literally, I feel like it was just the year of funerals.
• 57:58
  SPEAKER_02: And and even more recently, you know, I had mentioned my uncle just passed away.
• 58:02
  SPEAKER_02: And I always have felt just reflecting back, it's always been like this change up of energy, but not only just within myself, but just in general.
• 58:13
  SPEAKER_02: I feel like whenever someone passes, there is like this rebirth, and there is like this like type of, yeah, someone passes, but the energy then shifts for all those people that love that person.
• 58:25
  SPEAKER_02: And for me, the biggest thing has been the overthinking because I have gotten to a point where I'm like, what's the point of overthinking?
• 58:33
  SPEAKER_02: What's the point of all this?
• 58:34
  SPEAKER_02: You know, you know, there's just so much more like if I'm spent like the way that I've seen things more recently and even the past couple of years, it's like I have spent so much time overthinking this instead of acting on it.
• 58:49
  SPEAKER_02: And time is precious, you know?
• 58:51
  SPEAKER_02: And so when someone does pass away, it does kind of bolt you or, you know, for myself speaking about myself, it bolts me into this like, whoa, like I'm spending so much time figuring out or trying to figure all these little things out.
• 59:03
  SPEAKER_02: And at the end of the day, it doesn't matter because, you know, life is short.
• 59:06
  SPEAKER_02: Life is so precious and time is so precious.
• 59:09
  SPEAKER_02: So literally just doing what I can and putting the action out is really the most important part.
• 59:15
  SPEAKER_02: And really, like even nourishing relationships and people around you because people just think that time is unlimited and your thoughts and your worries and everything.
• 59:22
  SPEAKER_02: And it's like at the end of the day, it doesn't matter.
• 59:23
  SPEAKER_02: When you're under deathbed, it really doesn't matter.
• 59:25
  SPEAKER_02: And again, I don't want to get so morbid on the what it's no more.
• 59:29
  SPEAKER_01: Listen, I'm a media.
• 59:30
  SPEAKER_01: We're not gonna get too morbid for me.
• 59:32
  SPEAKER_01: But no, but I think what you're saying is getting back to that sacral energy that you have.
• 59:38
  SPEAKER_01: Spirit says that the people who are here, 50% of the population is here and has an emotional, feels their intuition through their emotions.
• 59:45
  SPEAKER_01: You're here to have the human experience when you have that defined.
• 59:49
  SPEAKER_01: You are here to feel the highs and the lows and everything in between.
• 59:52
  SPEAKER_01: And you're going back to what's happening in the now rather than trying to, when you are in that place where you can let go, especially in the ajna, you realize that like you don't have to figure it out.
• 1:00:07
  SPEAKER_01: You don't have to figure it out.
• 1:00:09
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 1:00:10
  SPEAKER_01: Or if why am I thinking about this?
• 1:00:12
  SPEAKER_01: Does this directly apply to me, or does it feel like it's important for someone else and I need to figure it out?
• 1:00:17
  SPEAKER_01: You know, letting that go and returning to life and emotion and connection, like epitome of your design.
• 1:00:28
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 1:00:29
  SPEAKER_01: What lights me up and then responding to what's around you.
• 1:00:33
  SPEAKER_01: You know, and you're actually also pushing it forward as manifesting generators.
• 1:00:37
  SPEAKER_01: You're here to make humanity not sit on our laurels and add some spice to what we already know.
• 1:00:44
  SPEAKER_01: Do it your own way.
• 1:00:46
  SPEAKER_02: That's amazing.
• 1:00:47
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I feel like that definitely wrapped it up as far as being able to see that because I'm like, whoa, like that's exactly how I feel.
• 1:00:55
  SPEAKER_01: So you said that's just pulling it into your body.
• 1:00:57
  SPEAKER_01: So that's another thing.
• 1:00:58
  SPEAKER_01: I always say that human exp or human design should be expansive, not restrictive.
• 1:01:03
  SPEAKER_01: This is not, and I'm sure you say the same thing about astrology, right?
• 1:01:07
  SPEAKER_01: Like this is not a new set of rules.
• 1:01:10
  SPEAKER_01: It's just an awareness that can enrich your life by providing you support and validation for what you already, you know, are.
• 1:01:22
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 1:01:23
  SPEAKER_01: For women, you are exactly who and how you're meant to be.
• 1:01:27
  SPEAKER_01: If you knew that, how would you live your life?
• 1:01:31
  SPEAKER_01: And once you live it in alignment with who you are, you have a more enjoyable experience.
• 1:01:36
  SPEAKER_01: And that's the whole reason, you know, you especially is an emotional.
• 1:01:39
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, you're gonna have lows, but you also are here to experience the feels, you know?
• 1:01:45
  SPEAKER_01: Fortunately.
• 1:01:46
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 1:01:47
  SPEAKER_01: Well, I mean, it's also the highs, though.
• 1:01:48
  SPEAKER_01: You're also like you are here to be a human and to learn those, you know, lessons.
• 1:01:54
  SPEAKER_01: Like you are here to really feel that.
• 1:01:55
  SPEAKER_01: Like that's a I'm here to be a human too, but it's just in a different way.
• 1:02:00
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 1:02:01
  SPEAKER_01: So I had an incredible reading with you, and I want to plug everything that you have to give me.
• 1:02:08
  SPEAKER_01: It was just so cool, especially the way that you alchemize astrology.
• 1:02:13
  SPEAKER_01: I'm gonna use that big word again.
• 1:02:15
  SPEAKER_01: But using it to help really talk about the deepest parts, the deepest wounds of, you know, I was really hoping to hear a lot about my Chiron as I was, you know, my minimal astrology, trying to figure that out.
• 1:02:31
  SPEAKER_01: And you were able to leave me, like I was left in a place that I felt empowered and sort of proud of myself in the way that I've handled this.
• 1:02:42
  SPEAKER_01: And I think that's a huge gift that you can give people to show themselves that.
• 1:02:47
  SPEAKER_01: And if you're hurting, being able to see, you know, what you perceive as challenges as just the way that your stars are written, and then there's something to do about it.
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  SPEAKER_01: You know, there's a place to lean in.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: So tell people where they can find you, please, and what you offer and where, you know, just tell them all the things.
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  SPEAKER_02: Well, first off, I'm so grateful that you really did take something out of it because that just warms my heart.
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  SPEAKER_02: Because that's literally all I want.
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  SPEAKER_02: And if anyone does want a reading with me, that's really my goal is to really light up those parts.
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  SPEAKER_02: And like you said, those wounds and those difficult placements are really where your greatest gifts lie.
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  SPEAKER_02: Like it's true.
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  SPEAKER_02: Like it's so hard, it's so easy to say, or like you know, daunting to say, oh, this is a tough, you know, point or aspect or planet or placement or you know, whatever it it you hear on, you know, Papa's on social media, but it really is where your strongest gifts lie and where your true abundance comes from.
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  SPEAKER_02: And abundance in not just a success-money way, but even just fulfillment and you know, just feeling the happiest that you can feel.
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  SPEAKER_02: So yeah, that is amazing that you know, just what you said about that.
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  SPEAKER_02: But yeah, my website is my nameispower.com.
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  SPEAKER_02: So you can find me there.
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  SPEAKER_02: Also on Instagram, it's underscore my name is Power and on TikTok.
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  SPEAKER_02: Oh, that's awesome.
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  SPEAKER_01: And, you know, Spirit is also saying, like in terms of what's written in our wounds or whatever, like we didn't come here to be good at life only.
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  SPEAKER_01: You know, there's strengths that we have.
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  SPEAKER_01: And then they're showing me that's like the lessons that you're learning are the places that you have these wounds, and you're learning to overcome and to, I'm gonna use it again, alchemize, alchemize, turn, make into or transmute that energy yourself using your power, step by stepping into, you know, like not just leaning in and giving the world what comes easily, but also learning yourself and then seeing how that changes your gifts and how it evolves them.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's so cool.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, a hundred percent.
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  SPEAKER_02: And I honestly believe that really any of these, like astrology, human design, really save lives.
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  SPEAKER_02: Like it really is life-changing and can really, really help really anyone.
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  SPEAKER_02: So I'm truly, truly passionate about this and this work and everything that goes on.
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  SPEAKER_02: Me too.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I to anybody, whatever floats your boat, like that's the gift of God.
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  SPEAKER_01: Like there are so many.
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  SPEAKER_01: Oh, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: These are two incredible tools, I think, especially for women who have been really gaslit in the way that we see ourselves.
• 1:05:26
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: Not it necessarily in a malicious way, it's just like the way that the environment that we're in right now.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I think it's so powerful to really see that, to see yourself on self-level.
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  SPEAKER_01: So Jocelyn, what a joy to be with you.
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  SPEAKER_01: I will end it here.
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  SPEAKER_01: See you next time.
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  SPEAKER_01: You can find me on my website if you want to hear more of these, human designmedium.com, or you can always book a reading with me, an angelic human design reading.
• 1:05:54
  SPEAKER_01: And then we can go into what makes you you and why.
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  SPEAKER_01: Because you are exactly who and how you are meant to be, and life is a gift, not a test.
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  SPEAKER_01: So you can live it with joy.
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  SPEAKER_01: Well, that was fun.
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  SPEAKER_01: Thanks for being here.
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  SPEAKER_01: If you find yourself wanting to be in the hot seat to know more about your design, to connect to your spirit team so you can feel grounded and confident in who you are.
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  SPEAKER_01: Please feel free to check out my website, www.humandesignmedium.com backslash readings.
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  SPEAKER_01: I've got programs, I've got plans, I've got a free design calculator, all yours to use when you visit.
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  SPEAKER_01: Girl, you are unconditionally loved, supported, and cherished by spirit.
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  SPEAKER_01: You are who and how you're meant to be.
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  SPEAKER_01: I'm just here to help you see yourself more clearly.
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  SPEAKER_01: How's that for a Midwestern goodbye?