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The Real Cause of Heart Attacks Isn’t What You Think · Non-Toxic Living

• 0:00
  83% of people that have heart attacks and strokes, normal LDL cholesterol, triglycerides, 70% coin flip with a good cholesterol. It's not even close to being about cholesterol. We've kind of put that as a culprit, but it's not even close, but it does get used up in a negative way. So it is part of the plaque building or atherogenic process. Then number three,
• 0:17
  is your heart has some of the highest compared to like ovaries but some of the highest mitochondrial density of any organ that's why heart attacks occur when you end up with mitochondrial dysfunction and when you end up with mitochondrial dysfunction because the heart is a muscle the arteries are a muscle and when you end up with mitochondrial dysfunction that's where it fails you can have a heart attack and have completely normal coronaries what is the name of that test and someone wanted to get the particle size test
• 0:41
  I think it's important to look at all three. There are many options. There's inflammatory markers that you want to look at. There's the particle size testing. You can just do that part as well. That's the second pillar.
• 0:54
  Diamond Fernandez, welcome to the Non-Toxic Living Show. And today, this is a good one because a lot of people are scared of this. It's heart disease and heart attacks. And there's a toxic way and a non-toxic way to approach this. So I'm really looking forward to what you found as an expert. You've written books on this. And let's just, let's help dispel some of the fears and get into some of the real solutions that can really help some people. Absolutely. I'm excited to be on the show and talk to you about this. Absolutely.
• 1:19
  Yeah, I met you about three years ago, and I was really impressed with your heart, no pun intended. And you have clinics that help people navigate this in a safe and effective way and get great results. You know, it's big business, right? HardinVax is big business. They walk out of the hospital after an event, and they can be put on as many as possible.
• 1:43
  30 medications where they don't know the interactions for and there's just this weird standard of care. There's all this fear around it. I was on your podcast. We did talk about how toxins affect the heart and the electrical system. But the...
• 1:59
  I just want to like, what is the toxic way of how hearts are being cared for? Yeah. Right. Physically. And we can talk emotionally as well. And then there's, there's toxic ways and there's science and data to prove it. And I want to pick your brain on that today.
• 2:15
  So I think it's always nice to start off by talking about when we talk about heart disease specifically, there are three different pillars of heart disease. So there's the electrical part of the heart where the brain talks to the heart and it happens automatically. You don't have to ask your heart to beat, but that's where people can end up with atrial fibrillation or palpitations. And that electrical pillar is...
• 2:35
  A lot of people can get an ECG done even on their phones now, and it's super simple to be able to look at that. But what is causing the effect of that, that really should be done by a cardiologist. You know, if you need a patient... Why shouldn't that be done by a cardiologist? If you're having electrical imbalance, you know, let's just take atrial fibrillation, because that's a very common arrhythmia that happens. No one gets into why do they have atrial fibrillation. And especially when you talk about from a toxicity perspective, no one looks at it from that perspective. But...
• 3:05
  From a cardiology world, we've got ablations. Yes, we can consider pacemakers in that world, but we insert those things or do those procedures without understanding, well, why did they end up going into that problem? So that's the electrical pillar. Then we've got the structural side of things where you've got some valve problems, and all of that could be genetic or viral infected, that perspective. COVID obviously caused a lot of problems, so the structural integrity of the heart and, you know,
• 3:32
  Down that path is the structure of the heart. And then we've got the plumbing of the heart. And our big MO and my big MO that we talk about at HeartFit Clinic and we talk about in all my books is I always start off by talking about these arteries. They're not pipes.
• 3:47
  their muscles, their live living organisms. Inside that lining of the urinary wall is an endothelium. There's actually hair growing off of it called the glycocalyx. That's the first thing that we should be focusing on. So when we talk about non-toxic living, yes, there are things drugs-wise that can help with each of those pillars to help with improve outcomes and that type of thing, and that's been very well documented.
• 4:10
  But to get into why do you end up with artery health problems or why do you end up with structural problems or why do you end up with electrical problems? This is where it focuses more on a non-toxic way. And that's the stuff that we focus on at our clinic, at the HeartFit Clinics.
• 4:22
  I find this topic very interesting because you look at the medical model and how they speak of arteries and the heart and different organs and tissues is very simplistic. The heart's a four-chambered pump. They don't talk about that it's a vortex. It's way more efficient. It's not a pump. Your heart is not a pump. Yeah. People think of it like a pump. If it was a pump...
• 4:45
  Think about this, the heart pushes the blood out to the furthest part of my body, that's in my big toe. It actually has to stop there, exchange gases, and then return back to the heart, the same speed it left. If anywhere I need a pump is at my big toe as well, or every single periphery or every single part where blood stops and exchange blood flow. If we attach all these vessels together, it'd go around the world like three times.
• 5:09
  From where we're standing today, three times around the world. That's a lot of vessels that we have. To get to your toe or just all your vessels? All your vessels together. And so we need a pump at every, you know, ending that we have. So literally the veins and vessels, each human being would wrap the world three times. Yes.
• 5:26
  The complexity that is mind blowing. Yeah. You've got arteries that are about the width of your thumb and you got arteries that are so tiny, a lot of arteries that are width of your hair and you got arteries you can't even see to the naked eye. It's beautiful. Yeah. And that's why- It's a beautiful system. When you, like what we talk about- And we treat it. Yeah. And how we treat it. Like a pump. We treat it like a pump, but also in treating heart disease or artery disease, because arteries aren't a pipe, they're a muscle.
• 5:50
  And if we treat it that way, that's where you want to be able to look at the blood flow. And people think that, okay, well, I got to get a heart stent and a bypass surgery. And that's where if you're talking about being toxic, well, that's a lot of, I would never wish anybody to go through bypass surgery or getting a heart stent unless they needed it. And when you would need it is if you're actively having a heart attack.
• 6:12
  But the trials now have come out, and it started back in 2005, and still cardiology is not focusing on the trials because they're trying to make excuses as to how we can still always intervene and it would be better for the patient. But not necessarily because you're not getting to the root as to why that person has artery disease.
• 6:29
  If you think about a plaque or inside the artery wall, we think about, okay, a blockage. Well, a heart attack is like a pimple building up inside the lining of the artery wall, just like a pimple on our face. If that pimple builds and builds and builds and builds, we think, okay, it builds to 95%, whatever. I shouldn't have that last cheeseburger, and gosh, it blocks. It doesn't happen that way.
• 6:48
  It builds up inside the vessel. And you could have a completely opened artery and disease that's starting to form on the outside. And it can rupture, just like a pimple on my face popping, it can rupture inside the vessel. And that's a heart attack. So you could see your family doctor. You could see a cardiologist. Because the majority of heart attacks, and that's why I wrote the book, Death of the Stress Test, is because...
• 7:09
  And it sounds like I hate stress tests. I actually like them. I don't like the outcomes. Because you tell someone, oh, you passed the stress test. That just means you don't have an 80% blockage. That's all that means. That's all it means. You'll miss like 90% of heart attacks that way. So that doesn't help. And cardiologists and a good personal friend's mind, they're like, your arteries are clean. Your heart's working perfectly. You're like a teenager. Yeah. You could finish that stress test and have a heart attack in the parking lot.
• 7:36
  Some do. And some have. Yeah. Right. And I've heard that. I've been doing this for almost 30 years. Some have. But then the worst part about it is, oh, wait a minute. We found a plumbing problem. And when you're talking about being, focusing on a non-toxic living, now when you fail a stress test, which was not necessarily necessary, I'll get into that in a moment, you're not going to fail.
• 7:55
  Now you're going down the path of, okay, let's do a radiation test. What kind of toxicity is happening when you do radiation on you? It's massive. A nuclear stress test is about a thousand chest X-rays that you end up doing on a patient. And then you end up doing an elective angiogram, which is like, okay, well, we'll book you in. We'll do the angiogram, see where the plumbing problem is. And then that's even more radiation. And the contrast agent, that's even more. When you talk about non-toxic, that stuff is not good for you. It's horrible.
• 8:22
  but it's life saving if you're having a heart attack. So two different, we're talking two different things here. If you're having a heart attack, you know, come see people like us that will help you get to the root as to why that happened, right? That's having a heart attack. But if you go see a doctor and you're getting chest pains, I think that's fortunate.
• 8:41
  And you don't need to go down the path of doing all the testing just to find a plumbing problem that you need a stent or bypass. Because the literature, the conventional literature shows that we don't necessarily have to do a stent or a bypass surgery. That surgery for blocked arteries is often unwarranted.
• 8:59
  that medical therapy is just as good of a treatment option as doing a heart stent or bypass surgery. So that's the statin drugs, the beta blockers, the blood pressure pills. Now, let's talk about that for a second because we're telling in that data, we said that, okay, doing surgery is often unwarranted, whether it be stent or bypass. And now you end up doing medical therapy and patients think, okay, well, I'm taking these lists of medications. I'm good.
• 9:25
  I'm safe. I'm safe. And that's the wrong thing to be able to say because when you talk about these medications, statin drugs, beta blockers, blood pressure pills, blood thinners, they have their own side effects. And they also have their... Forget about any drug. Any drug that you look at that you take, there's always a benefit.
• 9:44
  There's always a risk and there's always something that, well, if I'm going to take this drug, how much longer will I live? Those are three important questions that you should always ask your doctor when you're going to be prescribed a drug. Well, if I take this drug, what is the benefit? Okay, it will lower your cholesterol. Okay, so what? Will it prevent a heart attack? Okay, so what's the benefit there? And when you take a statin drug, if you have heart disease, it's like going to the roulette table and hoping you win that one roll.
• 10:11
  One in 36, whatever, how many numbers are. It's not really, that's not really where I would want to play. I'd want to get to the root as to why. And then when you look at the number needed to harm, so that's number needed to treat, number needed to harm is like, okay, well, how many people need to be taking this drug to get a harmful side effect?
• 10:27
  All drugs have benefits and all drugs have risks. And I mean, look at any commercial that opened up, they list all their commercials, all the side effects where people are running around, jumping through hoops and playing on beaches or whatever. And that emotion stays there while we're neglecting these important side effects from the drugs. And that's well placed, but the idea behind them is all of them have side effects. So that's always the number needed at heart.
• 10:53
  And you can still get the benefits of the drug without getting the number needed or harm once you start to address the side effects that can come from the drugs. Micronutrient imbalances, maybe gut microbiome imbalances, whatever be the situation from that drug, because that drug could be important for you. Like let's not neglect that side of things. It could be important for you. But then if I'm going to take this drug for the rest of my life, how much longer will I live? Those are three important questions.
• 11:18
  Going full circle. Let's answer those. Yeah. Well, going full circle, if we look at, you know, we're talking surgeries. So heart stents and bypass surgeries, cardiologists get paid very well to do those procedures. And again, they're a life saving if you're having a heart event. But if you're not having one, if you go do a stress test and do a bunch of radiation testing and do an elective angiogram, find a blockage, you don't need to do that because that's a toxic way of living.
• 11:47
  And it showed that, okay, well, medical therapy is just as good a treatment option. But if you start to address personally, why do I have artery disease, which I'll get into in a second, that's where the benefit is. It's not taking the drugs. That's the big benefit. It's a big payoff. Lifestyle change.
• 12:03
  And I'll talk about it in three simple steps. And I always say, make the A-OK sign and there are three fingers left over. We're in farming land, so a lot of times people have chopped their fingers off. But if that hadn't happened, inside the artery wall, it's all skin, just like the skin on our face. That is the endothelium. And that hair growing off of it, it's the glycocalyps. What is inflaming? That's the first part. What's damaging the vessel? What toxins are you exposed to? Maybe you've got a poor gut health or you're exposed to something. And that's why maybe even too much exercise. That's a thing.
• 12:33
  It causes oxidative stress. Yeah. Maybe not enough nutrition imbalances. That can be a thing as well. So there are hundreds of things that can damage that vessel lining. Do those hairs literally help move the blood?
• 12:49
  It's kind of like... What moves the... I know we're kind of breaking in here, but I've always been interested. We said at the beginning, and it's just burning questions. So it's not just your vortex heart that moves blood, correct? Correct. Isn't there other ways for blood to move inside your body? Think about the heart as the... It's basically the...
• 13:10
  the sole part, and that's why it gets that name, is it's just the middle part where everything comes into. And so it's the chamber where all the de-oxygenated blood comes into and goes to the lungs to get fresh oxygenated blood, comes back from the lungs to give you fresh oxygenated blood into the heart, it moves it around the body. And how it's not a pump, it actually works on pressure gradients. So it works almost like hydraulics. It's not, if you look at how a heart pumps, it actually twists.
• 13:38
  And if you look at the aorta, which is the largest artery that comes off the heart that's ready to deliver blood to everywhere. If it was, you know, if you turn on the garden hose and what happens to a hose when I just turn on the garden hose? It kind of straightens out. Correct? Yeah. Well, in our body, the aorta actually pulls in. It doesn't straighten out. It actually pulls in. And so if you understand that part of it, it works at...
• 13:59
  There's a whole system that works like a, hey, my tissues need blood flow, so my brain's communicating like, look, I'm running now. I got to deliver more blood flow to my muscles and my legs to make sure. And it does that. It pulls the blood and distributes it where it needs to go to. Or you just had a nice meal and you got to digest it. Okay, now it's pulling more blood flow to go to the gut. It's a very amazing system.
• 14:23
  It's not just like this random thing and just moving blood around. It's actually thinking and acting and connected to your brain and your body's needs and what's digestion, exercise, you know, what's going on. Yeah. Right. And so the chambers of the heart are where the blood flow moves to the lungs from the body and goes out to the body. Like that's where the chamber is going to play. But then the arteries and the arterials and the capillaries are the ones that end up delivering where it needs to go to. They expand and you can feel these arteries expand and contract. Yeah. Yeah.
• 14:52
  It's a muscle. It's expanding, contracting. It's not the pumping of your heart that's causing this? Well, the heart pushes the blood. Now it's the arteries responsible for delivering the blood to where it needs to go to. So they're muscles. They're muscles. They expand and contract. And now that we know that, coming back to the inside of the artery wall, that glycocalyx, that lining of the artery wall, that glycocalyx can get damaged from so many things.
• 15:16
  And the big things that, you know, when we talk about from a nutrition perspective, we're exposed to so many toxins in foods and processed foods and sugar and whatnot. And microplastics getting embedded into the arterial lining is one of the big, big time. Yeah. And so that hurts the aligning, that damages the glycocalyx. Now you can heal it once you know there's a problem.
• 15:37
  And this is where clinics like ours, and that's why I wrote the book, Death of the Stress Test, is to understand the gaps in our conventional healthcare system and know that there are benefits. I'm not saying that you should never get a stent or bypass, but understand that, well, there's a time and place when you should. And that's when it's emergent. And then there's the other side of things. So there's a time and place when you can do these things and when you cannot. And it's always...
• 16:01
  It becomes a, if you're not in the hospital with a heart event, then I always say, come see us first. Right? Because it's non-immersion. If you're on a waiting list, like especially in Canada, where I'm from, they'll put you on a waiting list for a bypass surgery. Well, then obviously it wasn't urgent. You don't need it.
• 16:19
  Makes sense. And plus, if you live in Canada, you have a hard time getting it anyway. Yeah. You might as well take care of yourself. And that's what we do at our clinic list. So we talk about healing that endothelium first. So that's number one. Number one. That's the first thing. Second thing is where cholesterol comes into play. But it's not cholesterol that...
• 16:35
  accumulates the wall, what happens is you have different particle sizes. So you've got small golf balls and you've got large tennis balls. Let's just take the LDL cholesterol because everyone heard of statin drugs and it lowers LDL cholesterol. But you've got an LDL bucket. You've got a good cholesterol. So LDL is bad. We call it loser cholesterol. But not all bad cholesterol is bad. I'll get into that in a second. Not all good cholesterol is good.
• 16:59
  And then when we talk about triglycerides, that's also an issue too, because not all ugly cholesterol is ugly either. So it all is about particle sizing because the small stuff can sliver through the lining of the artery wall. In a damaged glycocalyx, in a damaged endothelium, it opens up like a tennis-like structure. And that's why I use that analogy. Those small golf balls will go through, not those large tennis balls. Yeah.
• 17:21
  And when those small guys get through, and even got genetic factors that come into play there too, but those small guys become in the lining of the artery wall. Now people think that's okay, we just got a lower cholesterol and we're good to go. No, that's not the culprit. It's just an innocent bystander that gets used up in a negative way.
• 17:38
  And where the real issue is, is I talk about it, when something slivers through the lining of the artery wall and it doesn't belong, your body breaks it down. So that's what we call oxidative stress. And a simple way of doing that is if we take an orange, and if I leave that on the counter for a week, I can still eat that orange next week. But if I unpeel that orange and I leave that on the counter for a week, what happens? It rots. It gets broken down. That process is called oxidative stress.
• 18:05
  Now that particle is unpeeled, lost its layer, a protective layer, and now gets broken down. That's what oxidized stress means, or oxidization. It just means a broken down molecule. It's rusting. Yeah. So that's all in number two. So cholesterol is the cause of heart disease? No. You could have, in fact, if you go and look at the data, especially with Get With The Guidelines,
• 18:29
  83% of people that have heart attacks and strokes or in the hospital with whatever, angina, chest pain, whatever it is, there was a study with normal cholesterol. 83% normal LDL cholesterol. Triglycerides, 70%. Coin flip with a good cholesterol. It's not even close to being about cholesterol. But...
• 18:49
  We've kind of put that as the culprit, but it's not even close. But it does get used up in a negative way. So it is part of the plaque building or atherogenic process. Then number three is probably the key factor is now you get an immune response. It's like Ms. Pac-Man, I remember my days. But you know, so Ms. Pac-Man comes in and eats up all the pellets. Same idea is that now when those small particles have slivered through the lining of the skin, it gets, you get these immune cell activation.
• 19:17
  And that's why COVID caused a lot of problems with that. And even people that ended up being vaccinated end up with a high immune response to a vessel that was already compromised. So now we've got the third part, which is an immune response to the vessel wall. And that whole process, I mean, there are 40 plus different biochemical reactions, I won't go through them all today, but the summarism, so very simply, is that inflammation, what particles are slivering through to get oxidized, and then the infection response or the immune response.
• 19:44
  And that vessel inside the lining of their wall builds up like a pimple on our face. So that's the stuff that we get into in clinics like ours so that we can reverse it or prevent it. And the whole goal when you come and see a clinic like ours is we want to shrink the consistency of the pimple. We want to strengthen the skin over that pimple so it doesn't pop.
• 20:05
  And we want to grow new arteries. And grow new arteries? You can grow new arteries. That's beautiful. Yeah. And that's the stuff that I love talking about. Yeah. And it's safe. It's painless. There's no radiation. There's no stents. There's no bypass. There's nothing to that effect at all. Those have consequences to your body. They're not natural and they're- Well, especially when you look- You save lives. Yeah. You don't have to do that. So talk about how your arteries regrow.
• 20:29
  It's called angiogenesis. So I like to talk about like a highway analogy. You got whatever, five lanes open on the highway system, no problem. But what happens if you have just construction on the side of the road? It doesn't flow like it's supposed to. And let's say it's your route to the office every day and we close one lane every month. By the time it gets to three lanes, four lanes closed, you're going to be like, forget this. I'm going to start to find a different route. And all lanes can close and you could have that artery closed. It's considered still a heart attack, but you don't feel it.
• 20:57
  Why is that? Because it happened gradually enough that you managed to grow new sideway. You managed to find different routes to go around and not go that main highway. You can start to go around that different way. In fact... So you have an artery. Arteries are the size of what? Well, the coronary arteries, you got ones that are about three millimeters to one millimeter to width of your hair. We call them maybe 30 micrometers if 100 micrometers is a millimeter. And then you got arteries, you can't even see the naked eye.
• 21:26
  So you have a blocked road.
• 21:30
  And if it was gradual, your body will start to push around it. It's like, oh, wait a minute. It's getting slow here. I need to build a new road. And that's why we talk about external counterpensation therapy, which is a treatment that we do in our clinic, to grow those new vessels. That's what I'm saying. Exacerate that. How do you grow? How do you stimulate new arterial growth? And that's what, when we push a mass amount of blood flow back up to the heart, when the heart ends in a relaxed position, it's now pushing a greater volume. And if we do that for an hour each time the patient comes on the bed...
• 21:57
  it ends up promoting angiogenesis. And I was gonna say- So what is this machine? Is it a machine? External counterbalization, yeah. It's been around for years. Well, explain what that is, more detail. So in our clinics, we have these pumps that pump blood back up to the heart. So you have these cuffs that go in the calves, thighs and buttocks, and it sequentially pumps blood back up to the heart when the heart is in a relaxed state. So when the heart contracts- Is that similar like to Norma Tech?
• 22:23
  No, a little different. You know what Norma Tech is for recovery. Yeah. Athletes use it. Yeah, but this is time to your, it has to be time to your cardiac cycle. So in the diastolic phase of the heart, which is the relaxation phase, it has to happen. So it pushes quite vigorously back up.
• 22:39
  and then when the heart's ready to contract, everything relaxes. So that's the counterpulsation that happens, and that's why it's called that. And it has to be tied to the cardiac cycle. That's the most important thing, because you want to get it in the relaxation phase, and during systole, when the heart's contracting, everything has to release so it can push.
• 22:54
  Okay, let's talk about like, what about a bigger artery? Can you grow bigger? Not necessarily. Like if you got a three millimeter artery, you're not going to grow all of a sudden a new, you know, left anterior or widow maker. You can't do that. But you can have a blocked widow maker and you can have it for years and still live a long, healthy life. And you've managed to basically push a lot of collateral flow to areas where it's not getting there. That's what we do.
• 23:22
  So there's a blockage here, but then you get smaller arteries. That are feeding to that area of the heart. To make it just regrow them. Not there, but elsewhere. I've seen, gosh, I've seen the worst angiograms, which is the picture of the arteries and all that stuff. I think I've seen as much as 20 blockages on one angiogram. Crazy. Like multiple blockages. How is this person walking around? Sometimes when people think.
• 23:46
  But if you saw that angiogram, they would be putting stints everywhere, putting all this fear in you because they have to. I mean, they're a hospital. Yeah, but you at that point, it's like that person's not even amenable to anything because it's not even beneficial. Like if you have a blockage and another one down is like pointless doing that, we'll just medical therapy them. Well, you can still grow new arteries in that situation. That's where coming to a clinic like ours is where we get into that side of things.
• 24:07
  That's beautiful. So there's, there's, and then you're doing lifestyle changes. So you don't continue to produce the small particle. Getting into the biology. Yeah. It's getting into the, you have to address the biology and you have to address the health.
• 24:23
  Endressing the health of the artery wall, that's exercise, that's external counterpalsation. That's true cardiac rehab. And then to get to the biology of the artery wall, that's the nutrition. That's the getting to the biology as to why you ended up with that problem.
• 24:40
  Well, your heart has some of the highest compared to like ovaries, but some of the highest mitochondrial density of any organ. Yeah. Right? Like massive. I forget. That's why heart attacks occur. When you end up with mitochondrial dysfunction. Yeah. And when you end up with mitochondrial dysfunction, because the heart is a muscle, the arteries are a muscle. And when you end up with mitochondrial dysfunction, that's where it fails. Because it doesn't have energy to pump. Yeah. Yeah.
• 25:06
  You can have a heart attack and have completely normal coronaries. Heart attacks is a mitochondrial disease. That should be your new book. Heart attacks are mitochondrial disease. Because there's like cancer is a metabolic disease. Heart attacks are a mitochondrial disease. And mitochondrial, I think with functional medicine, everyone's pushing that way. And then we put them on a statin drugs. And correct me on this if I'm misspeaking, but it lowers CoQ10.
• 25:29
  It lowers about eight essential micronutrients in your body, CoQ10 being one of them. You got to address them all. Which is essential for driving your mitochondria. Of course, yeah. So long-term use of statins may lead to heart attacks. Yeah, it can lead to heart failure. I mean, that's some things that can happen from there.
• 25:46
  So when they do a statin drug on TV, it's the Super Bowl when we're talking about a statin drug, is one of the side effects heart disease? Do they list it? Do they? No. I don't think they do. And it's not really... I mean, obviously the outcomes show that there is beneficial, but I'll share a quick trial with you. It's called the Fourier trial. And in that trial, you can now inject...
• 26:14
  an injectable inside of you and lower your cholesterol and wipe it off the table as a risk factor for you. Oh, that sounds wonderful. Right? So if your cholesterol, I'm in Canadian numbers, but whatever number it is, I can 25% that number, whatever it ends up being.
• 26:29
  That's pretty darn good. So if it's 200, it becomes 50. I don't know, whatever that Canadian number would be four down to one. That's pretty damn good. Now we can wipe it off the table. You're going to have cholesterol to the numbers as to where you were born with. And it was making cardiologists ecstatic. Look at what we can do. We can lower cholesterol. So in the study, it lowered cholesterol by 75%.
• 26:50
  That's amazing. It's a miracle. And that was the headline on their reports that they gave to the doctors because we're part of the clinics. And so they gave all these reports and they hate giving it to me because I kind of dissected a little bit further. But the idea is that that 75% reduction was just like, that's better than a statin. Let's just go right there.
• 27:07
  But let's go deeper into the research as to what happens when you lower cholesterol by that much. Okay, that's fine. These are for people that have, in the trial, these are people that already have heart disease. So they already have concerns. So if you look at that trial and you lower cholesterol by 75%, what do you think the absolute risk reduction on future heart attacks or strokes is?
• 27:29
  0%. Well, it'd be a little bit beneficial. Otherwise, it wouldn't get to... Okay, 5%. 5% is a blockbuster. Like, that's blockbuster. So it's actually 1.5% risk reduction. And they give this drug? Yeah, it's a drug thing. 1.5. So, but when you lower cholesterol, there's unintended consequences to lowering cholesterol. You need it for hormones. You need it for all these other things. So why would you lower something that your body needs...
• 27:54
  I'm just showing you the data. Yeah, I know, but it's interesting that- And that's where you're, people are like, okay, well, why am I taking this? And you gotta get to the root as to why and what your culprit is. Because if you don't know where your culprit is, that's where the problem ends up lying. And it's not cholesterol, it's the small particles of cholesterol that are embedded in the arterial line. And when you look at the particle sizing of those things, it doesn't show it in that study, it just looks at total, the whole bucket. So we can't see what's happening. In fact, in that trial, I think 11 more people died
• 28:21
  taking the taking the drug versus the placebo so it increased in in that yeah increased deaths oh my gosh this this is like chemotherapy like it it for five year life it increases your life expectancy by five percent with the consequences of the chemotherapy yeah but it decreases your life expectancy at 10 years so if you if you destroy your immune system with chemotherapy you're not your chances of living past five years starts to decrease and at 10 years it's
• 28:49
  And that's why you want to deal with the side effects from that. So like, yes, you can take the drugs and we have patients that take these drugs and they want to go down that path. That's fine. You just got to deal with the side effects from it. That's it. Deal with the side effects from their hormonal imbalances. Deal with the side effects from their micronutrient imbalances. Deal with the side effects on their gut health. Deal with those and you can take those things.
• 29:10
  You don't need to, but it makes them feel better because you have your own choice. Yeah. Everyone has a choice. Yeah. Everyone has different fear levels. It's like, well, I really don't trust it, but I'm going to take it because it's what my doctor told me to do. Well, let's minimize. You know, if you do chemotherapy, there's things you can do to detox it, right? Ways to help prevent it from hurting your immune system as much. So you can make those decisions. And this is another toxic decisions.
• 29:37
  And then you can find some detoxification strategies, if you will, or ways to decrease the side effects that you would have by nutrient deficiencies, lowering your COQ10, mineral deficiencies, lowering your immune system, hormonal imbalance. I mean, I couldn't do that.
• 29:59
  But some people are okay with it. And then we were coming from a stage of transition here. Like look where the world's come from where, hey, back when I was a kid, it's like doctor said, that was golden. Oh yeah. And then the age of the internet came in and it's like, okay, now Google said, and it's like, okay, now we're AI said, right? And it's like, now we're in a world where now AI will get better.
• 30:23
  People are questioning, which is nice. You know, which is fine. But you come to your doctor and now people are coming there with their problem and already know the solution. And they're like, okay, I need you to prescribe X, Y, Z. Not what do you think I should do, doc? But if you think about that generation that's there, they still may rely on the physician. I don't know, whatever age group that bracket would be. But it's people that are like, you know what? I'm going to listen to my doctor because back when I was a kid, doctor said.
• 30:49
  That's fine. But now there's all this data and we're in an information with podcasts, with what's available on YouTube and how you can educate yourself like very well. Like the lay person can educate themselves to a point where they know more than the doctor. Yeah. Yeah.
• 31:04
  It's just the world we're in. And I have a lot of personal friends that are physicians and they would refuse to see patients that had Googled their condition. I go, you can't do that. Not now. That's when we started. Now it's just like, well, how do you work with them? Because really the actual Latin word of doctor actually means teacher.
• 31:23
  Well, they don't do that anymore. They're being taught by, I mean, we just had a pharmaceutical at the event we're at together. Their pharmaceutical reps teach the doctors on how the medications work. And the pharmaceutical reps train on sales scripts to drive more sales to the doctors. This is what they're teaching and being trained on. They're being trained on sales. They're being trained on trying to convince doctors to,
• 31:47
  And train doctors to use medications and the doctors not really being educated. So when do you think, and this will be my question that I want to get into, like some of the best solutions for people to support their heart health. But when do you think they'll start running the type of blood work that looks at particle size? And it's been around a long time. It's been around forever. Yeah. And it's not standard of care.
• 32:09
  No, it's not standard care in America. It's definitely not standard care in Canada where I'm from. And so I don't know if we get down that path unless you have a really good insurance plan to be able to make that work. So I don't see it happening. And it's... It just won't do it. They're just going to do that. Triglycerides, LDL, HDL. Yeah.
• 32:24
  Think of the ramifications that can happen from that if they were found out the data showed that, hey, statins are only beneficial to lower X. Now it'll be a little bit more complicated. So they're not gonna put a test that's gonna show that their drug is not really doing. I mean, even if you take, hey, I'm gonna take someone who's eating very clean to someone who's gonna take a statin, what are the benefits? No one's gonna do that. And who's gonna fund that study?
• 32:50
  No one's going to fund that study. There's no money there. I mean, how many avocado companies are out there that are making that much money to be able to make it work, right? So final question on this one is, what is the name of that test? And if someone wanted to get the particle size test.
• 33:04
  Well, I think it's important to look at all three. Okay. Yeah, and that's stuff that we can talk about in the clinic. There are many options. There's inflammatory markers that you want to look at, hundreds of inflammatory markers. There's the particle size testing. You can just do that part as well. That's the second pillar, and then the immune response. There's a handful of companies out there that do the immune response. Yeah, I mean, I know that you can... At one point, we were running the particle size even through LabCorp.
• 33:30
  Yeah. A lot of companies will go into even just starting simplicity of looking at small dense LDLs. Well, so here we are. People are watching this like, holy cow. Like I would love to, you know, without taking the test and doing, maybe they can't come to a clinic like yours. What could they do on a daily basis that are big movers that you've seen in heart health?
• 33:54
  So I wrote a, my first book was beating heart disease. So they can get the book. Yeah. I think that's, and I'll go through it quickly, but I talk about five pillars of, of health that way. And I think the first thing of course is exercise. There's also not enough exercise, but also too much exercise.
• 34:09
  Cause oxidative stress. Yeah. Rips off the peel off your, your banana. Yeah. So there's a fine balance. There's a fine balance that way. And I've noticed that like when I'm under stress, I'm like my body, I listen to my body and I'm like, you know what? I just don't have enough mitochondria, you know, ATP in the tank. I can't push myself right now. Yeah. Cause I know it's going to cause oxidative stress. Then it'll throw me into a headache. Right. So you have to listen to your body when it comes to exercise. More isn't always better. Yeah. Depending on where you're at.
• 34:34
  nutrition is very important. So that's the second one that, you know, we know that I always talk about it. If you're going to go into a grocery store, stay away from things that have to advertise to you. So it's a simple rule of thumb. So you don't see fish or vegetables advertised to you. Hey, lower your cholesterol here or increase fiber with this. So, you know, so that's the second one.
• 34:53
  So get rid of the boxed and processed foods that are. Third one is stress. And that's a hidden one. And people think that it's not a big deal. It is. It's one that can damage the endothelium the worst. Like it can hurt that lining. And so everyone has stress in life. So it's a stress response to the cortisol that causes it. What is the path? I think the concern is chronic stress, right? And so everyone gets stressed in their life. You have to be able to have a way to be able to combat with stress.
• 35:19
  whatever, yoga, meditation, people think- Breath work. Breath work, like there's so many ways that you can do it. And this is, you know, it sounded so woo-woo so many years ago, but now it's just this common practice. I mean, Harvard studies this stuff. Yeah, yeah. It's the number one way to lower your- I remember people talking about, oh, you meditate or that's silliness. No, no, no, this is like proven facts as to what you can do.
• 35:39
  And then the fourth one I think is, the heart's a love muscle. So I always talk about relationships. And it's all about connection and having a good community of people and who are you to the people you love. And the heart wants to love and it wants to receive love. It wants to give love and receive love. That's where relationships come into play.
• 36:00
  And the last one I think is mindset. And I think that's probably the most important one because if you don't set the right- No one likes this one. No one likes it because if he, I've had people, I always come back to this one patient of mine. He was 99 when he passed away and he was only a few months away from his 100th birthday. And he was a World War II vet. And obviously, he was with us for 20 years. Oh my gosh.
• 36:23
  He had his first heart attack when he was in his 50s and lived to 99. Like what an inspiration for other people that are having heart disease because this is the epitome of what you can do. But his mindset, he had a mindset where it was just like, I'm going to do what I have to do, whatever I have to do to make sure I can get success of longevity. And that's what we do at our clinic is focus on cardiovascular longevity. So those are simple five things that people can do to make sure that they live a long life.
• 36:50
  If you don't love yourself and you don't want to choose yourself, and that's kind of what you're saying, you have to have a mindset and say, hey, I'm worth it. It's worth taking the time to do this, to do the correct exercise, the correct diet. I think with making any non-toxic decision, it does start with mindset. And even though it's the fifth pillar, I think it's the one that allows you to activate and utilize mindset.
• 37:13
  the other four of course and uh so i'm glad i hope we inspired some people today i believe we did we you know what i love about this is that you shared some really shocking information yeah you know um and that i hope people take to heart um today so diamond thank you so much for being a part of the non-toxic living community this podcast utilizing cytodetox in your clinic yeah that's pretty powerful stuff so thank you brother thank you very much appreciate you