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Rugby or Football? The Debates Surrounding the Midwest's Earliest Games · Sports History Network

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  You
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  know,
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  it's
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  always
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  fun
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  to
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  look
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  back
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  at
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  what's
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  happened
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  in
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  the
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  past
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  and
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  appreciate
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  the
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  people
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  and
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  events
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  that
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  make
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  things
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  maybe
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  even
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  change
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  the
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  way
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  that
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  we
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  live
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  today
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  or
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  the
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  way
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  we
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  enjoy
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  our
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  football.
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  Tim
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  Brown
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  of
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  Football
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  Archaeology
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  does
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  this
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  quite
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  a
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  bit
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  in
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  his
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  writings
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  and
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  his
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  presentations
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  he
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  does
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  here.
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  We're
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  welcoming
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  him
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  here
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  again
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  this
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  Tuesday
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  to
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  talk
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  about
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  another,
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  a
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  great
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  story
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  from
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  football's
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  past.
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  Tim,
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  welcome
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  back
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  to
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  the
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  Pig
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  Pen.
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  Thank
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  you,
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  Darren.
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  This
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  is
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  perhaps
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  one
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  of
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  the
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  most
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  important
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  questions
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  we
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  have
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  addressed
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  together.
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  All
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  right.
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  Well,
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  yeah.
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  Who
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  played
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  in
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  the
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  Midwest
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  first
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  college
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  football
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  game?
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  I
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  mean,
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  you
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  know,
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  that
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  is
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  pretty
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  important.
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  You
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  know,
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  it
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  is.
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  You
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  know,
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  I
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  mean,
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  it's
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  the,
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  not
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  the,
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  not
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  the
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  birth
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  of
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  football,
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  but
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  it's
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  certainly
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  the
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  heartland
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  of
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  it.
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  Yeah,
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  I
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  mean,
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  people
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  myself
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  may
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  argue
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  something
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  different
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  or
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  whatever,
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  but
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  I
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  don't
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  care.
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  You
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  think
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  about
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  it,
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  you
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  know,
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  the
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  Midwest
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  at
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  the
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  time
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  we're
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  recording
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  this,
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  the
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  Midwest
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  has
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  won
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  the
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  last
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  three
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  national
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  championships.
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  You
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  know,
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  when
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  all
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  these
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  Big
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  Ten
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  schools
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  are
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  Midwest.
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  So
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  they
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  won
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  D1,
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  D2
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  and
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  D3
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  this
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  year.
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  Yeah.
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  So
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  Midwest
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  has
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  got
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  some
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  football
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  going
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  on,
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  that's
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  for
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  sure.
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  And
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  who.
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  And
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  Montana
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  State
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  won
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  fcs,
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  right?
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  Yeah.
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  Yeah.
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  So
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  they're
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  kind
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  of
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  Midwest.
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  Yeah.
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  So
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  that,
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  I
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  mean,
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  that's
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  a
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  very
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  valid
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  statement
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  and
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  very
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  pertinent
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  to
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  the
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  modern
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  day
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  football
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  fan.
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  So
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  what
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  can
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  you
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  tell
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  us
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  about
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  the
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  story?
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  Yeah,
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  so,
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  you
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  know,
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  for,
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  for
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  a
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  long
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  time,
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  I
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  mean,
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  like
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  myself,
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  you
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  know,
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  everybody,
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  you
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  know,
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  it's
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  the,
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  you
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  know,
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  you,
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  you
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  read
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  something,
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  you
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  depend
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  on
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  what
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  other
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  people
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  have
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  done
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  in
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  the
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  past
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  in
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  order
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  to,
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  to
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  build
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  your
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  work.
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  Right.
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  I
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  mean,
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  you
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  use
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  their
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  building
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  blocks.
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  Well,
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  sometimes
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  those
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  building
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  blocks
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  are
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  wrong
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  and,
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  but
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  you
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  don't
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  know
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  it
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  until
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  you
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  look
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  into
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  it
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  or
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  until
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  somebody
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  else
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  looks
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  into
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  it
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  and
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  finds
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  something
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  new.
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  So,
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  and
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  we
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  talked
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  about
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  this
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  two
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  weeks
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  ago
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  because,
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  you
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  know,
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  we're
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  just
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  chatting
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  about
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  how
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  history
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  kind
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  of
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  gets
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  reinvented,
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  you
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  know,
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  from
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  time
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  to
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  time.
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  Right.
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  And
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  either
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  because
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  new
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  facts
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  emerge,
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  you
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  know,
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  I
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  liken
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  it
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  to,
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  you
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  know,
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  if
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  they
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  haven't
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  dug
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  up
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  that
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  fossil
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  yet,
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  we
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  don't
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  know
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  that
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  a
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  certain
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  dinosaur
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  ever
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  existed.
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  And
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  so
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  in
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  a
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  football
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  history,
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  you
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  know,
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  in
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  that
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  realm,
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  if
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  nobody
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  stumbled
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  upon
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  this
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  article
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  before
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  or
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  no,
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  nobody
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  went
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  looking
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  for
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  a
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  certain
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  thing
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  before,
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  we
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  may
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  not
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  know
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  that
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  it
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  happened
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  because
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  we
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  forget,
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  you
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  know,
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  or,
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  you
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  know,
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  society
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  forgets.
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  So
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  anyways,
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  for
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  a
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  long
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  time,
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  the
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  kind
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  of
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  received
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  wisdom
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  was
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  that
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  the
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  first
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  football
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  game
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  in
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  the
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  Midwest
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  was
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  Michigan
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  against
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  Racine
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  College
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  And
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  I
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  wrote
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  a
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  tidbit
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  about
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  that,
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  I
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  don't
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  know,
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  four
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  years
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  ago,
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  something
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  like
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  that,
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  because
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  that's
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  the
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  story
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  that
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  I'd
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  always
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  heard.
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  And
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  so
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  then
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  I
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  dug
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  into
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  it
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  and
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  found
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  newspaper
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  articles
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  and
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  said,
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  here's
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  what
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  happened.
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  You
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  know,
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  had
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  a
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  little
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  bit
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  of
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  flavor
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  to
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  it.
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  And.
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  But
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  I
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  didn't.
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  I
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  didn't
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  check
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  at
• 3:55
  the
• 3:55
  time.
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  I
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  didn't
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  check
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  to
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  see,
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  well,
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  maybe
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  was
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  there
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  an
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  earlier
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  game.
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  So
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  then
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  in.
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  I
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  forget
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  how
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  I,
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  you
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  know,
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  kind
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  of
• 4:05
  got
• 4:05
  into
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  this,
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  but
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  I
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  ended
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  up
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  coming
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  across
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  the
• 4:09
  fact
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  that
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  Northwestern
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  had
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  played
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  a
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  team
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  called
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  the
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  Chicago
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  football
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  club
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  in
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  February
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  1876.
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  So
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  somebody
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  at
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  Northwestern
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  must
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  have
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  found
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  that
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  out
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  around
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  2014,
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  even
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  though
• 4:24
  I
• 4:25
  didn't
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  find
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  out
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  about
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  when
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  I
• 4:26
  wrote
• 4:26
  the
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  article
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  about
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  Michigan
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  and
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  Racine.
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  So.
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  So
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  then
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  Northwestern,
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  because
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  it's
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  there,
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  like,
• 4:38
  that
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  game
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  occurred
• 4:39
  in,
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  like,
• 4:40
  February
• 4:40
  of
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  1876.
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  And
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  so
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  we
• 4:42
  just
• 4:43
  passed
• 4:43
  the
• 4:43
  150th
• 4:44
  anniversary
• 4:45
  of
• 4:46
  that
• 4:46
  game.
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  So
• 4:47
  that
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  Northwestern
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  is,
• 4:48
  you
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  know,
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  making
• 4:49
  a
• 4:49
  little
• 4:49
  bit
• 4:49
  of
• 4:50
  noise
• 4:50
  about
• 4:50
  it.
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  So
• 4:52
  I
• 4:52
  think
• 4:52
  that's
• 4:53
  why
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  I
• 4:53
  came
• 4:53
  across
• 4:53
  it.
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  And
• 4:54
  so
• 4:54
  then
• 4:54
  I.
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  I
• 4:56
  ended
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  up
• 4:57
  looking
• 4:57
  into
• 4:57
  the
• 4:58
  Chicago
• 4:58
  Football
• 4:58
  Club
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  because,
• 4:59
  you
• 4:59
  know,
• 4:59
  and
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  in
• 5:00
  that
• 5:00
  case,
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  it
• 5:01
  was
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  a
• 5:01
  team
• 5:01
  that
• 5:02
  played
• 5:03
  rugby
• 5:03
  rules.
• 5:04
  You
• 5:04
  know,
• 5:04
  I
• 5:04
  mean,
• 5:05
  everybody
• 5:05
  called
• 5:05
  it
• 5:05
  football
• 5:06
  at
• 5:06
  the
• 5:06
  time,
• 5:07
  sometimes
• 5:07
  rugby,
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  but.
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  So
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  they
• 5:11
  were
• 5:11
  the
• 5:11
  Chicago
• 5:11
  Football
• 5:12
  Club,
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  but
• 5:12
  they
• 5:12
  played
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  under
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  rugby
• 5:14
  union
• 5:15
  rules.
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  And
• 5:15
  it
• 5:16
  was
• 5:16
  mostly
• 5:16
  made
• 5:16
  out
• 5:16
  of.
• 5:17
  Made
• 5:17
  up
• 5:18
  of
• 5:18
  English
• 5:18
  immigrants.
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  So,
• 5:20
  you
• 5:20
  know,
• 5:20
  we
• 5:20
  always
• 5:21
  think
• 5:21
  of
• 5:21
  the
• 5:21
  Canadians
• 5:22
  introducing
• 5:22
  football
• 5:23
  to
• 5:23
  us
• 5:23
  because
• 5:23
  that's
• 5:24
  the
• 5:24
  story
• 5:24
  that
• 5:24
  we
• 5:24
  get
• 5:24
  from
• 5:25
  the
• 5:25
  East
• 5:25
  Coast.
• 5:26
  Right.
• 5:26
  And
• 5:26
  that
• 5:27
  did
• 5:27
  happen,
• 5:27
  obviously,
• 5:28
  but
• 5:29
  here
• 5:29
  in
• 5:29
  the
• 5:29
  Midwest,
• 5:30
  it
• 5:30
  was
• 5:31
  the
• 5:31
  English,
• 5:32
  English
• 5:33
  immigrants.
• 5:34
  So,
• 5:35
  you
• 5:35
  know,
• 5:35
  these
• 5:35
  guys
• 5:36
  are
• 5:36
  out
• 5:36
  there,
• 5:36
  you
• 5:37
  know,
• 5:37
  they're
• 5:37
  trying
• 5:37
  to
• 5:37
  find
• 5:38
  people
• 5:38
  to
• 5:38
  play,
• 5:39
  and.
• 5:39
  But
• 5:40
  hardly
• 5:40
  anybody
• 5:41
  has
• 5:41
  heard
• 5:41
  of
• 5:42
  this
• 5:42
  game
• 5:42
  or
• 5:42
  played
• 5:42
  it.
• 5:43
  So
• 5:43
  they're
• 5:43
  playing
• 5:44
  people
• 5:44
  like,
• 5:45
  you
• 5:45
  know,
• 5:45
  the
• 5:45
  Chicago
• 5:46
  Barge
• 5:46
  Club,
• 5:47
  which
• 5:48
  must
• 5:48
  have
• 5:48
  been
• 5:48
  some
• 5:48
  kind
• 5:48
  of
• 5:49
  ceiling,
• 5:49
  you
• 5:49
  know,
• 5:50
  sort
• 5:50
  of
• 5:50
  organization,
• 5:51
  you
• 5:52
  know,
• 5:53
  a
• 5:53
  little
• 5:53
  bit
• 5:54
  later,
• 5:54
  it
• 5:54
  had
• 5:55
  cycling
• 5:55
  clubs.
• 5:56
  And,
• 5:56
  like,
• 5:56
  they
• 5:57
  might
• 5:57
  start
• 5:57
  as
• 5:57
  a
• 5:57
  cycling
• 5:58
  club,
• 5:58
  but
• 5:58
  then
• 5:58
  they
• 5:58
  play
• 5:59
  football
• 5:59
  and
• 5:59
  baseball,
• 5:59
  too.
• 6:00
  I
• 6:00
  mean,
• 6:00
  that's
• 6:00
  just
• 6:01
  kind
• 6:01
  of
• 6:01
  the
• 6:01
  way
• 6:01
  those
• 6:01
  clubs
• 6:02
  worked.
• 6:03
  But
• 6:04
  they
• 6:05
  end
• 6:05
  up
• 6:05
  playing
• 6:05
  Northwestern.
• 6:07
  And
• 6:08
  Northwestern
• 6:08
  was
• 6:09
  able
• 6:09
  to
• 6:09
  have
• 6:09
  20
• 6:09
  guys
• 6:10
  on
• 6:11
  their
• 6:11
  team,
• 6:11
  and
• 6:12
  the
• 6:12
  Chicago
• 6:13
  Football
• 6:13
  club
• 6:13
  only
• 6:14
  had
• 6:14
  15.
• 6:16
  And,
• 6:16
  you
• 6:17
  know,
• 6:17
  like,
• 6:17
  Northwestern
• 6:18
  hadn't
• 6:18
  bothered
• 6:19
  to
• 6:19
  set
• 6:19
  up
• 6:19
  the
• 6:19
  goal
• 6:20
  posts.
• 6:20
  There
• 6:20
  were
• 6:20
  no
• 6:20
  goal
• 6:21
  posts
• 6:21
  for
• 6:21
  the
• 6:21
  game.
• 6:21
  So
• 6:21
  they
• 6:21
  must
• 6:22
  have
• 6:22
  kicked,
• 6:22
  like,
• 6:22
  over
• 6:22
  a
• 6:23
  wall
• 6:23
  or
• 6:23
  they
• 6:23
  did
• 6:23
  something,
• 6:24
  you
• 6:24
  know,
• 6:25
  so
• 6:26
  then.
• 6:27
  So
• 6:27
  then
• 6:27
  I
• 6:27
  decided,
• 6:27
  okay,
• 6:28
  well,
• 6:28
  I'm
• 6:28
  going
• 6:28
  to
• 6:28
  look
• 6:28
  into
• 6:28
  this
• 6:29
  Chicago
• 6:29
  Football
• 6:30
  Club
• 6:30
  and
• 6:30
  just
• 6:30
  Try
• 6:30
  to,
• 6:31
  you
• 6:31
  know,
• 6:31
  gather
• 6:31
  up
• 6:31
  some
• 6:31
  more
• 6:32
  information
• 6:32
  about
• 6:32
  them.
• 6:33
  And
• 6:34
  in
• 6:35
  doing
• 6:35
  the
• 6:36
  legwork
• 6:36
  on
• 6:36
  that,
• 6:36
  I
• 6:37
  found
• 6:37
  that
• 6:37
  they
• 6:38
  had
• 6:38
  played
• 6:39
  Loyola
• 6:40
  of
• 6:40
  Chicago
• 6:41
  in
• 6:41
  December
• 6:41
  of
• 6:42
  1875,
• 6:45
  which
• 6:45
  actually
• 6:45
  makes
• 6:46
  it
• 6:46
  really
• 6:46
  one
• 6:47
  of
• 6:47
  the
• 6:47
  earliest
• 6:48
  football,
• 6:49
  you
• 6:49
  know,
• 6:49
  rugby,
• 6:50
  slash
• 6:50
  football
• 6:51
  games
• 6:51
  played
• 6:52
  by
• 6:52
  an
• 6:52
  American
• 6:53
  college.
• 6:55
  So,
• 6:56
  so
• 6:56
  then
• 6:56
  I,
• 6:57
  I'm
• 6:57
  like,
• 6:57
  okay,
• 6:58
  well,
• 6:58
  then
• 6:58
  that
• 6:59
  becomes
• 7:00
  the
• 7:00
  earliest
• 7:00
  football
• 7:01
  game
• 7:01
  played
• 7:01
  by
• 7:02
  an
• 7:02
  American
• 7:03
  college.
• 7:04
  And,
• 7:05
  and
• 7:05
  then,
• 7:06
  you
• 7:06
  know,
• 7:06
  we
• 7:06
  can
• 7:06
  get
• 7:07
  into
• 7:07
  this
• 7:07
  and
• 7:07
  argue
• 7:07
  about
• 7:07
  it
• 7:08
  if
• 7:08
  you
• 7:08
  want,
• 7:08
  but,
• 7:09
  you
• 7:09
  know,
• 7:10
  the
• 7:10
  story
• 7:10
  also
• 7:11
  kind
• 7:11
  of
• 7:11
  gets
• 7:11
  into
• 7:11
  the
• 7:11
  whole
• 7:12
  thing.
• 7:12
  Okay,
• 7:13
  when.
• 7:14
  At
• 7:14
  what
• 7:14
  point
• 7:15
  did
• 7:15
  rugby,
• 7:16
  like
• 7:17
  this
• 7:17
  was
• 7:17
  a
• 7:17
  rugby
• 7:18
  match?
• 7:18
  You
• 7:18
  know,
• 7:19
  both
• 7:19
  when
• 7:19
  they
• 7:20
  played
• 7:20
  Northwestern,
• 7:20
  when
• 7:21
  they
• 7:21
  played
• 7:21
  Lowell,
• 7:22
  it
• 7:22
  was
• 7:22
  a
• 7:22
  rugby
• 7:22
  match.
• 7:23
  So
• 7:23
  is
• 7:23
  a
• 7:24
  rugby
• 7:24
  match
• 7:24
  football?
• 7:26
  You
• 7:26
  know,
• 7:26
  is
• 7:26
  a
• 7:27
  rugby
• 7:27
  match
• 7:27
  from
• 7:27
  1875
• 7:29
  considered
• 7:29
  football
• 7:29
  or
• 7:30
  is
• 7:30
  it
• 7:30
  rugby?
• 7:32
  And
• 7:32
  if
• 7:33
  you're
• 7:33
  gonna
• 7:33
  do
• 7:34
  so,
• 7:34
  you
• 7:35
  know,
• 7:35
  so
• 7:35
  there's
• 7:36
  that
• 7:36
  basic
• 7:36
  question,
• 7:37
  and
• 7:37
  then
• 7:37
  if
• 7:37
  you're
• 7:37
  gonna
• 7:38
  say,
• 7:38
  no,
• 7:38
  it's
• 7:38
  rugby,
• 7:38
  okay,
• 7:39
  then
• 7:39
  it's
• 7:39
  okay,
• 7:39
  well,
• 7:39
  when
• 7:40
  did
• 7:40
  football
• 7:40
  become
• 7:40
  football?
• 7:41
  You
• 7:42
  know,
• 7:42
  at
• 7:42
  what
• 7:42
  point
• 7:43
  in
• 7:43
  the
• 7:43
  game's
• 7:43
  history
• 7:44
  was
• 7:45
  it
• 7:45
  no
• 7:45
  longer
• 7:45
  rugby?
• 7:46
  So
• 7:46
  then
• 7:46
  we
• 7:46
  can
• 7:46
  say,
• 7:47
  oh,
• 7:47
  that's
• 7:47
  first
• 7:48
  football
• 7:48
  game,
• 7:49
  or
• 7:49
  that's
• 7:49
  first
• 7:49
  football
• 7:50
  game
• 7:50
  in
• 7:50
  the
• 7:50
  Midwest.
• 7:52
  And
• 7:52
  another
• 7:53
  slice
• 7:53
  of
• 7:53
  it
• 7:54
  is,
• 7:55
  okay,
• 7:55
  what
• 7:55
  does.
• 7:56
  If
• 7:56
  only
• 7:57
  one
• 7:57
  of
• 7:57
  the
• 7:57
  two
• 7:57
  teams
• 7:58
  playing
• 7:58
  in
• 7:58
  a
• 7:58
  game
• 7:59
  is
• 7:59
  a
• 7:59
  college
• 7:59
  team,
• 8:00
  is
• 8:01
  that
• 8:01
  still
• 8:01
  a
• 8:01
  college
• 8:01
  football
• 8:02
  game?
• 8:03
  And,
• 8:04
  and
• 8:04
  if
• 8:05
  not,
• 8:06
  you
• 8:06
  know,
• 8:07
  if
• 8:07
  you
• 8:07
  need
• 8:07
  both
• 8:07
  of
• 8:08
  them
• 8:08
  to
• 8:08
  be
• 8:08
  college
• 8:09
  football
• 8:09
  teams,
• 8:10
  then
• 8:11
  every
• 8:12
  team
• 8:12
  that
• 8:12
  has
• 8:13
  on
• 8:13
  their
• 8:14
  all
• 8:14
  time
• 8:14
  winning
• 8:14
  records,
• 8:16
  their
• 8:16
  all
• 8:16
  time
• 8:16
  records,
• 8:17
  games
• 8:17
  against
• 8:18
  high
• 8:18
  schools,
• 8:18
  against
• 8:19
  military
• 8:19
  teams,
• 8:19
  against
• 8:20
  athletic
• 8:20
  club
• 8:21
  teams,
• 8:21
  against
• 8:21
  YMCA
• 8:22
  teams,
• 8:23
  professional
• 8:23
  teams.
• 8:24
  Yeah,
• 8:25
  get
• 8:25
  rid
• 8:25
  of
• 8:25
  every
• 8:25
  one
• 8:26
  of
• 8:26
  us.
• 8:26
  Right?
• 8:27
  So.
• 8:27
  Because
• 8:28
  you
• 8:28
  can't
• 8:28
  have
• 8:28
  both
• 8:28
  ways.
• 8:29
  Right?
• 8:30
  So
• 8:30
  anyways,
• 8:31
  I
• 8:31
  mean,
• 8:31
  I
• 8:31
  just,
• 8:32
  I
• 8:32
  think
• 8:32
  those
• 8:32
  are
• 8:32
  kind
• 8:32
  of
• 8:33
  fun
• 8:33
  issues
• 8:33
  to
• 8:33
  kind
• 8:33
  of
• 8:33
  kick
• 8:34
  around
• 8:34
  a
• 8:34
  little
• 8:34
  bit.
• 8:35
  But
• 8:36
  so.
• 8:37
  So
• 8:37
  here
• 8:37
  I
• 8:37
  am.
• 8:38
  I'm
• 8:38
  all
• 8:38
  proud
• 8:39
  of
• 8:39
  myself
• 8:39
  because
• 8:39
  I
• 8:41
  found
• 8:42
  this
• 8:42
  little
• 8:43
  story
• 8:43
  and
• 8:44
  then
• 8:44
  like
• 8:44
  a
• 8:44
  day
• 8:45
  later,
• 8:45
  day
• 8:46
  after
• 8:46
  I
• 8:46
  publish
• 8:46
  it,
• 8:47
  I
• 8:47
  find
• 8:48
  another
• 8:48
  story.
• 8:49
  And
• 8:49
  it
• 8:50
  was
• 8:50
  published
• 8:50
  by
• 8:51
  Northwestern,
• 8:52
  like
• 8:52
  on
• 8:53
  the
• 8:53
  150th
• 8:53
  anniversary
• 8:54
  of
• 8:54
  their
• 8:54
  game.
• 8:56
  And
• 8:56
  so.
• 8:57
  And
• 8:57
  I'm
• 8:58
  like,
• 8:58
  hey,
• 8:58
  no,
• 8:58
  sorry,
• 8:59
  I
• 8:59
  found
• 8:59
  this
• 8:59
  earlier
• 8:59
  one.
• 9:00
  So
• 9:00
  I
• 9:00
  wrote
• 9:00
  to
• 9:00
  the
• 9:01
  football
• 9:01
  sid
• 9:02
  and
• 9:02
  said,
• 9:03
  hey,
• 9:03
  I
• 9:03
  found
• 9:04
  this
• 9:04
  game.
• 9:05
  And
• 9:05
  he
• 9:05
  wrote
• 9:06
  back
• 9:06
  to
• 9:06
  me
• 9:06
  pretty
• 9:06
  quickly
• 9:07
  and
• 9:07
  said,
• 9:07
  well,
• 9:08
  here's.
• 9:08
  Here's
• 9:08
  our
• 9:09
  deal.
• 9:10
  They
• 9:10
  have
• 9:11
  some
• 9:11
  sources
• 9:11
  that
• 9:12
  I
• 9:12
  haven't.
• 9:12
  I
• 9:12
  just
• 9:13
  haven't
• 9:13
  had
• 9:13
  a
• 9:13
  chance
• 9:13
  to
• 9:13
  check
• 9:14
  yet.
• 9:15
  They
• 9:15
  have
• 9:15
  some
• 9:16
  sources
• 9:16
  that
• 9:16
  indicated
• 9:17
  that
• 9:18
  this
• 9:18
  was
• 9:18
  supposed.
• 9:19
  The
• 9:19
  game
• 9:19
  with
• 9:19
  Loyola
• 9:20
  was
• 9:20
  supposed
• 9:20
  to
• 9:20
  be
• 9:20
  a
• 9:21
  practice
• 9:21
  game.
• 9:23
  And
• 9:23
  it
• 9:23
  was.
• 9:24
  And
• 9:24
  it.
• 9:24
  There
• 9:25
  was
• 9:25
  also
• 9:25
  something
• 9:25
  about
• 9:25
  it
• 9:26
  was
• 9:26
  a
• 9:26
  foreign
• 9:26
  game,
• 9:27
  which
• 9:27
  foreign
• 9:28
  back
• 9:28
  then
• 9:28
  meant
• 9:28
  away
• 9:29
  game.
• 9:29
  But
• 9:30
  anyways,
• 9:32
  you
• 9:32
  know,
• 9:32
  they've
• 9:32
  got
• 9:32
  some
• 9:32
  kind
• 9:33
  of
• 9:34
  stuff
• 9:34
  that's
• 9:34
  suggested
• 9:35
  that
• 9:35
  it
• 9:36
  wasn't
• 9:36
  a
• 9:36
  real
• 9:36
  game.
• 9:37
  So
• 9:38
  then
• 9:38
  their
• 9:38
  game
• 9:39
  was
• 9:39
  the
• 9:39
  first,
• 9:39
  you
• 9:39
  know,
• 9:39
  the
• 9:39
  Northwestern
• 9:40
  Chicago
• 9:40
  Football
• 9:41
  Club
• 9:41
  game
• 9:41
  was
• 9:41
  the
• 9:42
  first
• 9:42
  game.
• 9:42
  So
• 9:44
  to
• 9:44
  be
• 9:44
  determined
• 9:46
  whether
• 9:46
  the
• 9:47
  story
• 9:47
  that
• 9:47
  I
• 9:47
  wrote
• 9:48
  is
• 9:48
  accurate
• 9:49
  or
• 9:49
  not,
• 9:50
  I
• 9:51
  mean,
• 9:51
  it's
• 9:51
  accurate
• 9:51
  in
• 9:52
  terms
• 9:52
  of
• 9:52
  what
• 9:52
  happened,
• 9:53
  but,
• 9:54
  you
• 9:55
  know,
• 9:55
  I
• 9:55
  still
• 9:55
  need
• 9:56
  to
• 9:56
  do
• 9:56
  some
• 9:56
  more
• 9:56
  research
• 9:57
  to
• 9:57
  determine
• 9:58
  whether
• 9:58
  or
• 9:58
  not
• 9:59
  Northwestern's
• 10:00
  view
• 10:00
  of
• 10:00
  that
• 10:00
  game
• 10:01
  is
• 10:01
  one
• 10:01
  that
• 10:01
  I
• 10:01
  agree
• 10:02
  with
• 10:02
  or
• 10:02
  that
• 10:03
  I
• 10:03
  still
• 10:04
  agree
• 10:04
  with
• 10:04
  my
• 10:05
  original
• 10:06
  position.
• 10:08
  Okay,
• 10:09
  well,
• 10:09
  well,
• 10:10
  okay.
• 10:10
  So
• 10:11
  let's.
• 10:11
  You,
• 10:12
  you
• 10:12
  posed
• 10:12
  a
• 10:13
  question
• 10:13
  within
• 10:13
  this
• 10:14
  question,
• 10:14
  and
• 10:15
  you
• 10:15
  said,
• 10:15
  okay,
• 10:16
  when
• 10:16
  was
• 10:17
  football,
• 10:17
  you
• 10:18
  know,
• 10:18
  when
• 10:18
  was
• 10:18
  it
• 10:18
  a
• 10:18
  football
• 10:18
  game?
• 10:19
  When
• 10:19
  was
• 10:19
  a
• 10:19
  rugby
• 10:20
  game,
• 10:20
  in
• 10:20
  your
• 10:20
  opinion?
• 10:21
  And
• 10:22
  you've
• 10:22
  done
• 10:22
  quite
• 10:22
  a
• 10:22
  bit
• 10:23
  of
• 10:23
  research
• 10:23
  on
• 10:23
  this
• 10:24
  and
• 10:24
  wrote
• 10:24
  and
• 10:25
  have
• 10:25
  talked
• 10:25
  to
• 10:25
  people
• 10:26
  like
• 10:26
  Dr.
• 10:26
  Tony
• 10:27
  Collins
• 10:27
  about
• 10:28
  these
• 10:28
  different
• 10:29
  genres
• 10:29
  of
• 10:29
  what
• 10:30
  we
• 10:30
  call
• 10:30
  football
• 10:30
  around
• 10:31
  the
• 10:31
  world.
• 10:32
  So
• 10:32
  when,
• 10:33
  when
• 10:33
  do
• 10:33
  you
• 10:34
  think
• 10:34
  the
• 10:35
  time
• 10:35
  frame,
• 10:36
  maybe
• 10:36
  not
• 10:36
  the
• 10:36
  particular
• 10:36
  game,
• 10:37
  when
• 10:37
  was
• 10:37
  that
• 10:37
  time
• 10:38
  frame
• 10:38
  where
• 10:38
  the
• 10:39
  first
• 10:40
  American
• 10:40
  football
• 10:40
  game
• 10:41
  would
• 10:41
  have
• 10:41
  taken
• 10:41
  place?
• 10:42
  Yeah,
• 10:43
  so
• 10:45
  I
• 10:45
  view
• 10:45
  it.
• 10:46
  And
• 10:47
  so
• 10:47
  this,
• 10:47
  this
• 10:48
  Loyola
• 10:49
  game
• 10:49
  actually
• 10:49
  kind
• 10:50
  of
• 10:50
  violates
• 10:50
  what
• 10:51
  I'm,
• 10:51
  you
• 10:51
  know,
• 10:52
  my
• 10:52
  general
• 10:53
  position.
• 10:54
  So
• 10:54
  my
• 10:54
  general
• 10:55
  position
• 10:55
  is
• 10:56
  American
• 10:56
  football
• 10:57
  started
• 10:57
  in
• 10:58
  1876.
• 11:00
  And
• 11:00
  I
• 11:00
  say
• 11:01
  that
• 11:01
  because
• 11:02
  they
• 11:02
  formed
• 11:03
  the
• 11:03
  Intercollegiate
• 11:04
  football
• 11:04
  association
• 11:05
  in
• 11:06
  1876.
• 11:08
  They
• 11:08
  adopted
• 11:08
  the
• 11:09
  rugby
• 11:09
  rules,
• 11:10
  the
• 11:11
  rugby
• 11:11
  union
• 11:11
  rules
• 11:12
  as
• 11:12
  the,
• 11:13
  you
• 11:13
  know,
• 11:13
  how
• 11:13
  they
• 11:13
  were
• 11:13
  going
• 11:14
  to
• 11:14
  play
• 11:14
  one
• 11:15
  another.
• 11:16
  And
• 11:17
  it's
• 11:17
  kind
• 11:17
  of
• 11:17
  like
• 11:18
  the
• 11:18
  Pope,
• 11:18
  you
• 11:19
  know,
• 11:19
  you
• 11:20
  can
• 11:20
  trace
• 11:21
  his.
• 11:21
  The
• 11:22
  lineage
• 11:22
  of
• 11:22
  popes
• 11:23
  back
• 11:23
  to
• 11:24
  St.
• 11:24
  Peter.
• 11:25
  Right.
• 11:26
  And
• 11:27
  American
• 11:27
  football,
• 11:27
  you
• 11:28
  can
• 11:28
  trace
• 11:28
  the
• 11:28
  lineage
• 11:29
  of
• 11:30
  the
• 11:30
  football
• 11:30
  rules
• 11:31
  back
• 11:32
  to
• 11:32
  the
• 11:32
  adoption
• 11:33
  of
• 11:33
  the
• 11:33
  rugby
• 11:33
  union
• 11:34
  rules
• 11:35
  that
• 11:35
  year.
• 11:36
  And
• 11:36
  they,
• 11:36
  they
• 11:36
  tweaked
• 11:37
  and
• 11:37
  they
• 11:37
  changed,
• 11:37
  like,
• 11:38
  three
• 11:38
  rules.
• 11:38
  Four.
• 11:39
  Four
• 11:39
  rules
• 11:39
  in
• 11:39
  1876.
• 11:41
  So
• 11:41
  in
• 11:42
  my
• 11:42
  mind,
• 11:42
  that's
• 11:43
  what
• 11:43
  football
• 11:44
  began
• 11:45
  when
• 11:46
  those.
• 11:47
  After
• 11:48
  the
• 11:48
  adoption
• 11:48
  of
• 11:48
  those
• 11:49
  rules.
• 11:50
  All
• 11:50
  right,
• 11:50
  but
• 11:51
  for
• 11:51
  argument's
• 11:52
  sake,
• 11:52
  in
• 11:52
  terms
• 11:52
  of
• 11:52
  the
• 11:53
  first
• 11:53
  game
• 11:53
  in
• 11:53
  the
• 11:53
  Midwest,
• 11:54
  and
• 11:54
  for
• 11:54
  the
• 11:54
  purpose
• 11:54
  of
• 11:54
  this
• 11:55
  article,
• 11:55
  you
• 11:55
  know,
• 11:57
  I'm
• 11:57
  willing
• 11:57
  to
• 11:58
  argue
• 11:58
  that
• 11:59
  Loyola.
• 12:01
  But
• 12:01
  hey,
• 12:02
  it's
• 12:02
  a
• 12:02
  lot
• 12:03
  more
• 12:03
  accurate
• 12:03
  than
• 12:03
  if,
• 12:04
  if
• 12:04
  people
• 12:04
  are
• 12:04
  considering,
• 12:05
  you
• 12:05
  know,
• 12:05
  the
• 12:06
  game
• 12:06
  in
• 12:06
  1869
• 12:07
  to
• 12:07
  be
• 12:07
  the
• 12:07
  first
• 12:08
  college
• 12:08
  football
• 12:08
  game
• 12:09
  which
• 12:09
  had
• 12:09
  no
• 12:10
  semblance
• 12:10
  of.
• 12:10
  Of
• 12:11
  modern
• 12:11
  football
• 12:11
  at
• 12:12
  all,
• 12:12
  or
• 12:13
  rules.
• 12:13
  Yeah,
• 12:14
  so
• 12:14
  I
• 12:14
  think,
• 12:14
  yeah,
• 12:14
  you're.
• 12:15
  You're
• 12:15
  a
• 12:15
  lot
• 12:15
  closer
• 12:16
  with
• 12:16
  the
• 12:16
  Loyola
• 12:17
  game.
• 12:17
  Yeah,
• 12:18
  I
• 12:18
  mean,
• 12:18
  you
• 12:18
  know,
• 12:18
  they
• 12:19
  may
• 12:19
  have
• 12:19
  even
• 12:19
  called
• 12:19
  it
• 12:20
  football,
• 12:20
  but,
• 12:20
  you
• 12:20
  know,
• 12:20
  any
• 12:21
  kicking
• 12:21
  game
• 12:21
  was,
• 12:22
  you
• 12:22
  know,
• 12:22
  considered
• 12:23
  football
• 12:23
  at
• 12:23
  the
• 12:23
  time.
• 12:24
  And
• 12:24
  yeah,
• 12:25
  I
• 12:25
  mean,
• 12:25
  there's
• 12:25
  so
• 12:25
  many
• 12:26
  things
• 12:26
  wrong
• 12:26
  with
• 12:26
  that
• 12:27
  game.
• 12:27
  And
• 12:28
  I
• 12:28
  just
• 12:28
  view
• 12:28
  it
• 12:28
  as,
• 12:29
  you
• 12:29
  know,
• 12:30
  Park
• 12:30
  H.
• 12:30
  Davis,
• 12:31
  a
• 12:31
  Princeton
• 12:32
  guy,
• 12:32
  was,
• 12:34
  you
• 12:34
  know,
• 12:34
  probably
• 12:35
  the
• 12:36
  preeminent
• 12:37
  early
• 12:37
  historian.
• 12:38
  And
• 12:38
  so
• 12:38
  he
• 12:39
  said
• 12:39
  it
• 12:39
  was
• 12:39
  that
• 12:39
  game.
• 12:40
  And
• 12:40
  so
• 12:40
  that's
• 12:40
  what,
• 12:41
  that's
• 12:41
  the
• 12:41
  way
• 12:41
  it's
• 12:42
  kind
• 12:42
  of
• 12:42
  come
• 12:42
  down.
• 12:43
  But
• 12:43
  I,
• 12:43
  yeah,
• 12:44
  I
• 12:44
  don't
• 12:44
  consider
• 12:44
  that
• 12:45
  to
• 12:45
  be
• 12:46
  even
• 12:46
  though,
• 12:46
  like,
• 12:47
  you
• 12:47
  know,
• 12:47
  a
• 12:47
  few
• 12:47
  years
• 12:47
  back
• 12:48
  I
• 12:48
  would
• 12:48
  have
• 12:48
  said,
• 12:48
  yeah,
• 12:49
  that
• 12:49
  was
• 12:49
  first
• 12:49
  game.
• 12:49
  Well,
• 12:49
  not
• 12:50
  anymore.
• 12:51
  I,
• 12:51
  you
• 12:51
  know,
• 12:51
  just
• 12:51
  learned
• 12:52
  enough
• 12:52
  to
• 12:53
  argue
• 12:53
  otherwise.
• 12:54
  Yeah,
• 12:55
  maybe
• 12:55
  it's
• 12:56
  more
• 12:56
  of
• 12:57
  a
• 12:57
  consideration
• 12:57
  for
• 12:57
  the
• 12:58
  first
• 12:58
  intercollegiate
• 12:59
  sporting
• 13:00
  event
• 13:00
  between.
• 13:01
  Well,
• 13:02
  but
• 13:02
  there
• 13:02
  were,
• 13:02
  there
• 13:02
  were,
• 13:03
  you
• 13:03
  know,
• 13:04
  baseball
• 13:04
  games
• 13:05
  probably.
• 13:05
  True.
• 13:05
  Well,
• 13:06
  crew
• 13:06
  and
• 13:06
  baseball
• 13:06
  before
• 13:07
  that.
• 13:07
  Okay.
• 13:08
  All
• 13:08
  right.
• 13:08
  So
• 13:08
  that
• 13:08
  even
• 13:09
  it
• 13:09
  throws
• 13:09
  that
• 13:09
  one
• 13:09
  out.
• 13:10
  Collegiate
• 13:11
  contest
• 13:11
  were
• 13:12
  crew.
• 13:13
  Oh,
• 13:13
  okay.
• 13:14
  All
• 13:14
  right.
• 13:15
  All
• 13:15
  right.
• 13:17
  Well,
• 13:17
  Tim,
• 13:18
  you
• 13:18
  ask
• 13:18
  the
• 13:19
  hard
• 13:19
  questions.
• 13:20
  You
• 13:20
  research
• 13:20
  the
• 13:21
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• 13:21
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• 13:22
  and
• 13:22
  then
• 13:22
  you
• 13:22
  bring
• 13:23
  them
• 13:23
  to
• 13:23
  us
• 13:23
  and
• 13:23
  really
• 13:23
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• 13:24
  us
• 13:24
  think
• 13:25
  in
• 13:25
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• 13:26
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• 13:26
  Tonight,
• 13:27
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• 13:28
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• 13:28
  it
• 13:28
  here
• 13:28
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• 13:28
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• 13:29
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• 13:30
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• 13:30
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• 13:30
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• 13:30
  this
• 13:30
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• 13:30
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• 13:31
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• 13:32
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• 13:32
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• 13:32
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• 13:33
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• 13:33
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• 13:34
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• 13:34
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• 13:35
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• 13:35
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• 13:36
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• 13:37
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• 13:37
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• 13:37
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• 13:37
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• 13:38
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• 13:38
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• 13:39
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• 13:39
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• 13:39
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• 13:39
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• 13:40
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• 13:40
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• 13:41
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• 13:41
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• 13:42
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• 13:42
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• 14:13
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