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The Kenny Report | 9 July · The Kenny Report

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  Speaker 1: Line from the Sky New Center.
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  Speaker 2: This is the Kenny Report.
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  Speaker 1: Thanks for joining me tonight.
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  Speaker 3: The ABC admits errors in its coverage of the Middle East,
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  Speaker 3: but denies its anti Israel bias. Rents are on the
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  Speaker 3: rise steeply, another entirely predictable result of Labour's budget of
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  Speaker 3: broken promises. Conflict escalates in the Gulf region as the
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  Speaker 3: US loses patients with Iram's attacks on shipping. We'll check
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  Speaker 3: in on those five hundred dollars defense light bulbs. Paul
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  Speaker 3: Enhanson living dangerously in the UK, plus sport with Robbo
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  Speaker 3: as the new South Wales Blues win one for the
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  Speaker 3: Ages and as ever Mark and Tim will make sense
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  Speaker 3: of all the craziness of the week.
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  Speaker 1: Let's get let's get started.
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  Speaker 3: The Royal Commission into the Bondai massacre and Anti Semitism
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  Speaker 3: heard evidence about media coverage today, with a special focus
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  Speaker 3: on the pub broadcasters, the ABC and SBS. These are
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  Speaker 3: media organizations that we pay for partly in order to
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  Speaker 3: foster social cohesion, but as you know, when it comes
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  Speaker 3: to Israel and the Middle East, they've done the opposite.
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  Speaker 3: Today's hearings came as the Israeli Ambassador to Australia, said
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  Speaker 3: there is more jew hatred in Australia than he's seen
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  Speaker 3: in some Muslim countries.
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  Speaker 1: HELLEL.
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  Speaker 3: Newman said, in a reverse of moral and immoral, This
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  Speaker 3: modern anti Semitism disguises itself as virtue.
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  Speaker 1: They dress it up as.
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  Speaker 3: Caring for some humanitarian cause, said the ambassador. It's not
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  Speaker 3: love or care of any kind that drives them. It's hatred,
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  Speaker 3: hatred of Jews and hatred of Israel, the one and
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  Speaker 3: only majority Jewish state. Not only are these hate filled
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  Speaker 3: people not held in contempt, but in some cases they
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  Speaker 3: are even glorified.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm afraid he's right.
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  Speaker 3: This reflects the view that I've shared and a reality
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  Speaker 3: that I've demonstrated to you night after night here since October.
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  Speaker 1: Twenty twenty three.
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  Speaker 3: So let's get back to the ABC and it's denial
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  Speaker 3: about its insidious role in the national debate. A group
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  Speaker 3: of Jewish Australians who have been keeping a close watch
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  Speaker 3: on the ABC's reporting, a group who's research I've shared.
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  Speaker 1: In my commentary.
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  Speaker 3: While they've now produced some videos about the ABC's coverage, and.
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  Speaker 4: I would have no issue if they wanted to report
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  Speaker 4: about Israel if it was accurate, if it was honest,
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  Speaker 4: if it didn't make up stories.
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  Speaker 2: If it didn't just accept people saying.
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  Speaker 1: Things without actually asking them.
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  Speaker 5: Well, where's your evidence.
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  Speaker 6: Now.
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  Speaker 3: Apart from protesting, these groups have provided forensic and analysis
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  Speaker 3: of ABC reporting, including the national broadcasters repeated and frankly
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  Speaker 3: nonsensical claims of genocide. The ABC has seriously reported and
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  Speaker 3: amplified the anti Israel views of a dodgy international organization
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  Speaker 3: of so called genocide experts.
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  Speaker 7: Voter names were not disclosed, memberships were registered under the
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  Speaker 7: names Adolf Hitler, Mocookie, and she Pallidatin.
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  Speaker 8: The ABC repeatedly ran headlines and stories that treated this IAGS.
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  Speaker 9: Genocide resolution as the world's leading genocide scholars, which is
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  Speaker 9: the slogan on their Facebook page, which is what they
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  Speaker 9: exist as a Facebook group.
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  Speaker 3: Of course, this kind of emotive and erroneous reporting flies
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  Speaker 3: in the face of the facts. Israel is a military powerhouse,
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  Speaker 3: the two million people of Gaza live in a densely
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  Speaker 3: populated area, and war is hell. Yet the numbers of
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  Speaker 3: civilian casualties over more than two years of intense warfare,
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  Speaker 3: on best estimates, are in the order of thirty five
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  Speaker 3: thousand people each one, a tragedy, of course, but with
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  Speaker 3: a similar number of terrorists killed two about thirty five
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  Speaker 3: thousand terrorists. The organization most responsible for this horror, of course,
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  Speaker 3: is Hamas itself, which continues to rule over the people
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  Speaker 3: of Gaza and continues to aspire to the elimination of
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  Speaker 3: Israel all the while. Of course, the only reason the
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  Speaker 3: people of Gaza can survive is because of food, water, electricity,
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  Speaker 3: and other essentials supplied by and through Israel. Still, the
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  Speaker 3: deceptions go far beyond that big lie about genocide into
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  Speaker 3: other common reporting threads.
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  Speaker 10: With the Royal Commission on Anti Semitism and Social Cohesion
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  Speaker 10: expected to examine the role of mainstream media, it is
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  Speaker 10: a good time to remember that the ABC continues to
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  Speaker 10: applied double standards to Israel while maintaining low standards in
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  Speaker 10: its own journalism. Recently, the ABC reported that a journalist
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  Speaker 10: had been killed in Gaza. Al Jazeera Camerman Ahmad Wisha.
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  Speaker 10: The IDF said he was a Hamas sniper, but of course,
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  Speaker 10: according to the ABC, Israel provided no evidence.
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  Speaker 3: Well, the evidence is available. There is plenty of vision
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  Speaker 3: of this so called journalist firing weapons in Gaza.
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  Speaker 10: This is not a single mistake. It is part of
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  Speaker 10: a repeated pattern of ABC bias. Is basic verification too
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  Speaker 10: much to expect from a company with a one point
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  Speaker 10: two billion dollar budget.
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  Speaker 11: He said, Israel killed an al jazea journalist, the one
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  Speaker 11: that you condemned us, so eliminating.
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  Speaker 10: There are many examples of the ABC portraying terrorists as
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  Speaker 10: wannabe journalists.
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  Speaker 3: Just another example of so many cases of errors and
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  Speaker 3: bias from the ABC. Always errors that portray Israel in
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  Speaker 3: a bad light, Always a bias that supports a pro
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  Speaker 3: Palestinian and even pro humm Us narrative. And it's a
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  Speaker 3: narrative that seems to be in denial about the driving
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  Speaker 3: motivation of Islamist extremism.
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  Speaker 10: Laura Tingle, the ABC's Global affairs editor, reinforces this repetitive
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  Speaker 10: narrative of Israel targeting journalists. She cannot be trusted as
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  Speaker 10: she suggested that the Bondai massacre had nothing to do
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  Speaker 10: with religion. Ultimately, the ABC stands condemned for avoiding its
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  Speaker 10: responsibility to tell us the facts.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah against this backdrop and the ongoing trauma and threat
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  Speaker 3: of anti Semitism and Islamist extremism in this country, the
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  Speaker 3: ABC was the focus of the Royal Commission today. The
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  Speaker 3: Special Envoy for Anti Semitism had this to say.
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  Speaker 12: I'm hearing from important stakeholders of mind. How can they are,
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  Speaker 12: how grieved they are, how they feel that their trusted
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  Speaker 12: broadcaster is not being fair and accurate.
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  Speaker 3: Now this was putting it mildly. This is a bias
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  Speaker 3: recognized and detailed very widely across Australia, but the ABC
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  Speaker 3: remains in denial.
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  Speaker 6: I think that in all of our reporting, our goal
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  Speaker 6: is to meet our standards and to be accurate, to
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  Speaker 6: be impartial. We seek to we're relevant. Hear from affected
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  Speaker 6: parties on a variety of sides of the conflict.
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  Speaker 3: The ABC representative was quizzed about the broadcasters reporting of
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  Speaker 3: one particularly egregious story claiming that fourteen thousand babies were
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  Speaker 3: about to die as a result of Israel withholding aid.
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  Speaker 6: Yes, it was a bad mistake. The correction came on
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  Speaker 6: the News channel, the same channel that hosts News Breakfast,
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  Speaker 6: later in the afternoon.
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  Speaker 3: But the point about this story was how on earth
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  Speaker 3: anyone reported it at all?
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  Speaker 1: It was absurd.
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  Speaker 3: It could only be run if you suspended all reason
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  Speaker 3: and logic. It could only be run if your eagerness
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  Speaker 3: to condemn Israel overrode your common sense. I called this
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  Speaker 3: out at the time. Did none of the journalists even
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  Speaker 3: stop to think about this? I'm in sure it's a
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  Speaker 3: sensational claim, a great way to demonize Israel, but really they.
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  Speaker 1: Actually believed that there could be fourteen.
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  Speaker 3: Thousand babies in Gaza on the brink of death.
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  Speaker 1: It just made no sense at all.
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  Speaker 3: Yet We've just a moment's thought about how many people
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  Speaker 3: are in Gaza, and how much food's been taken in
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  Speaker 3: during ceasefires, and the aid workers and the medical staff
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  Speaker 3: working in the terry. It was just never a credible claim.
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  Speaker 3: You see, this is the core of the problem. The
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  Speaker 3: ABC has wrongly claimed that Israel bombed a hospital and
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  Speaker 3: killed five hundred people, completely false, no evidence, no logic,
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  Speaker 3: no reason for such an act. It turned out, of course,
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  Speaker 3: that an Islamic jihad rocket had hit a hospital car
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  Speaker 3: park and killed about thirty Palestinians. The ABC also was
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  Speaker 3: wrongly portrayed. It actually wrongly portrayed this harrowing picture of
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  Speaker 3: a child suffering from a severe congenital illness as evidence
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  Speaker 3: of starvation by Israel, even though the child's brother and
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  Speaker 3: family were all well fed. The ABC has not been
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  Speaker 3: alone in this misreporting, but we should expect better, We
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  Speaker 3: deserve better. This stuff demonizes Israel. This stuff stirs up
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  Speaker 3: unjustified hatred against Jews and supporters of Israel. This stuff
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  Speaker 3: undermines social cohesion. Our national broadcaster is misleading the nation.
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  Speaker 3: We are paying for a national broadcaster that does harm
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  Speaker 3: to social cohesion and we've all seen what that hatred
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  Speaker 3: has been doing to this country. This is indefensible and
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  Speaker 3: must change. I want to just take up this issue
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  Speaker 3: now and discuss it with a community advocate in the
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  Speaker 3: Australian Jewish community, Marni Perlstein has joined us in the past.
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  Speaker 3: Money thanks for joining us. You watch the ABC closely.
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  Speaker 3: You see the effect that has on the Jewish Australian community,
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  Speaker 3: this misreporting.
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  Speaker 1: These mistakes. They always say their mistakes, but somehow all
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  Speaker 1: their mistakes demonize Israel.
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  Speaker 3: They've never made a mistake that apparently has made Israel
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  Speaker 3: look good or is demonized. Hum Us, just tell us
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  Speaker 3: about your thought of what we heard at the Royal
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  Speaker 3: Commission today.
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  Speaker 7: Well, firstly, Chris, I want to thank you because you've
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  Speaker 7: been uncovering this ABC bias over at least two years now.
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  Speaker 7: Your show covers it regularly, and thank you for the
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  Speaker 7: article that you wrote in the Weekend Australian. This is
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  Speaker 7: a really serious issue because I think our national broadcasters
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  Speaker 7: ceased to be a balanced news outlet and actually has
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  Speaker 7: morphed into a political advocacy platform which really just supports
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  Speaker 7: the pro Palestinian cause.
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  Speaker 13: And honestly, if you are.
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  Speaker 7: A journalist, or if you're someone who went and studied
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  Speaker 7: journalism or did a communications degree at any Australian university
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  Speaker 7: over the last three decades, it's not surprising because you
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  Speaker 7: would have walked out of there with a degree in
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  Speaker 7: anti Israel bias. So I think the commission today it
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  Speaker 7: was predictable. I mean, of course they're going to deny
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  Speaker 7: most of what they've been accused of. And yes, they
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  Speaker 7: have made mistakes, and they admitted to one mistake with
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  Speaker 7: the story about the babies, but they have been repeated
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  Speaker 7: mistakes made by the ABC that haven't been correct And
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  Speaker 7: I remember last November, Chris, when all of the living
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  Speaker 7: hostages were returned from Gaza and Israel was still trying
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  Speaker 7: to get the deceased hostages back, and the ABC did
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  Speaker 7: a radio report saying that it was Israel's fault that
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  Speaker 7: those hostages were buried under the rubble.
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  Speaker 13: There was no mention of Kamas.
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  Speaker 7: There was no mention of the fact that Kamas had
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  Speaker 7: held those hostages for over two years. So I do
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  Speaker 7: feel that the reporting is always one sided. There is
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  Speaker 7: never any mention of Kamas. There is always mention about
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  Speaker 7: Israel's role in the situation, and never a balanced view
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  Speaker 7: with what Hamas is doing.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, this is a point that I keep coming back
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  Speaker 3: to because we know, of course, we all know and
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  Speaker 3: understandably people are concerned about the innocent civilians in Gaza.
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  Speaker 3: We all should be young children growing up in war.
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  Speaker 3: It is terrible some of them being killed. But Humas
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  Speaker 3: is responsible. There seems to be this whole propensity to
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  Speaker 3: blame it all on Israel. Hummas still alluding it over
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  Speaker 3: Palestinians in Gaza. They're still executing those who try and
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  Speaker 3: stand up against them. But I just want to get
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  Speaker 3: back to this fourteen thousand baby story because this is
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  Speaker 3: a classic and I don't think the Royal Commission has
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  Speaker 3: done a very good job here. It hasn't really forensically
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  Speaker 3: examined these issues. It's just the ABC oh, it was
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  Speaker 3: a mistake, and how quickly did you correct it? But
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  Speaker 3: it's a mindset that would run such an absurd story.
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  Speaker 3: Fourteen thousand babies are going to be dead within two days,
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  Speaker 3: they were saying, because of Israel withholding aid.
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  Speaker 1: It was just obviously so absurd.
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  Speaker 3: It came from a UN spokesperson who actually based it
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  Speaker 3: on research that said if war didn't stop in the
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  Speaker 3: next year, there might be fourteen thousand children under.
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  Speaker 1: Five who go close to death.
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  Speaker 3: I just wonder what the mindset is that they seem
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  Speaker 3: to be eager to jump at any matter, how unlikely
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  Speaker 3: a fact, is that they're happy to use it if
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  Speaker 3: it's been used against Israel.
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  Speaker 13: I think the mindset is sensationalism.
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  Speaker 7: As you pointed out earlier, it sounded like a headlining story.
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  Speaker 7: It sounded it sounded insane, and I think that you know,
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  Speaker 7: this is just it's a pattern.
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  Speaker 13: It's a one off. It's not a one off situation.
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  Speaker 7: There was the Lali hospital situation, as you pointed out, the.
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  Speaker 1: Male tigeship another one.
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  Speaker 3: Why on earth would Israel hit a hospital and deliberately
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  Speaker 3: kill five hundred patients, Yet that's the way the story
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  Speaker 3: was reported For a couple of days, but before they
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  Speaker 3: admitted it was wrong.
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  Speaker 7: Well, the crazy thing about that story is that that
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  Speaker 7: happened on the seventeenth of October twenty twenty three. That
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  Speaker 7: was just after the attack on Israel Bichamas. Israel had
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  Speaker 7: not even gone into Gaza at that point. Sorry, it
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  Speaker 7: was the Yeah, it was the seventeenth of.
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  Speaker 13: October that the hospital was bombed.
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  Speaker 7: Israel only went into gar on the twenty seventh of October,
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  Speaker 7: so the conflict hadn't even started in terms of retaliation
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  Speaker 7: with the IDF. I just feel like, I do feel
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  Speaker 7: like the ABC has an agenda, and I do feel
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  Speaker 7: like it's a pro Palestinian agenda.
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  Speaker 13: And the reason I feel that also is that when
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  Speaker 13: you look at.
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  Speaker 7: Who they have invited on to their shows in the
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  Speaker 7: last two and a half years as to represent the
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  Speaker 7: Jewish community, it's people like Sarah Schwartz who have a
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  Speaker 7: deeply pro Palestinian bias, who really her agenda is to
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  Speaker 7: demonize and spread lies about Israel, And I think that
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  Speaker 7: says a lot that you know, there are very few
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  Speaker 7: advocates or community members that have gone onto ABC shows
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  Speaker 7: that represent the majority of the Jewish Australian population.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, they have found literally a handful of anti Zionists
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  Speaker 3: to Jewish Australians and they platform them regularly. Now, sure
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  Speaker 3: they should get to have their voice heard, but they're
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  Speaker 3: very unrepresentative of the Jewish Australian community. More thanks for
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  Speaker 3: joining us, money, I really appreciate you jumping on and
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  Speaker 3: giving us that perspective.
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  Speaker 1: Money personal polsting.
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  Speaker 3: There, who's a Jewish Australian activist. I want to get
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  Speaker 3: back to the economy, the budget, the broken promises, the
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  Speaker 3: higher taxes, and the housing crisis. Reports today highlight how
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  Speaker 3: rents in Sydney have skyrocketed over the past three months.
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  Speaker 3: Medium rents jump by more than six percent over that period,
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  Speaker 3: or fifty dollars a week to eight hundred and.
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  Speaker 1: Fifty dollars a week.
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  Speaker 3: Now, there are many factors at play here, of course,
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  Speaker 3: but it's hardly a surprise that you get this after
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  Speaker 3: increasing taxes on housing investment and calling time on negative gearing.
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  Speaker 1: Here's what we said back in budget week. At its
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  Speaker 1: core was.
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  Speaker 3: The broken promise on negative gearing and capital gains tax.
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  Speaker 3: These changes do two things. First, they destroy the integrity
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  Speaker 3: of the government, and second they preest taxation on housing investment.
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  Speaker 3: History and common sense tells us this will push rents
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  Speaker 3: up and exacerbate the housing crisis. Yeah, pushing rents up.
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  Speaker 3: Let's go to the shadow Housing Minister, Andrew Bragg. Thanks
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  Speaker 3: for joining us, Sir Andrew. Look, there will be other
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  Speaker 3: factors that play here, cyclical factors, of course, but of
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  Speaker 3: course this was always going to push rents up.
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  Speaker 14: Well, the two guarantees were that you were going to
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  Speaker 14: have fewer homes and you're going to have higher rents
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  Speaker 14: as a result of high taxes, and that is what
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  Speaker 14: we're seeing. We're seeing in the ABS data yesterday, fewer
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  Speaker 14: houses despite a massive investment from the government, and we're
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  Speaker 14: already seeing red hikes across the board.
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  Speaker 3: And this supposedly the argument from the government is not
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  Speaker 3: to boost its coffers. They argue that their policies are
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  Speaker 3: aimed at helping people into the housing market. Well, how
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  Speaker 3: do you help people in with fewer homes and higher rents.
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  Speaker 14: I think it's one of the best examples of the
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  Speaker 14: government thinking that most people are stupid and that their
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  Speaker 14: paternalistic way is the way to go. I also think
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  Speaker 14: that they did this because they thought it was going
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  Speaker 14: to be popular in some quarters, but unfortunately the orthodoxy
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  Speaker 14: of economics hasn't been suspended, and now we are seeing
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  Speaker 14: fewer houses, we are seeing higher rents and frankly, this housing.
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  Speaker 5: Crisis, it's going to get worse before it gets better.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I feel that's the case now the Sydney rental
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  Speaker 3: market we're focused on. Here is this going to happen
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  Speaker 3: around the country and what do you think the impact
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  Speaker 3: will be? I mean, obviously these figures were over a
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  Speaker 3: quarter till the end of June, so the budget will
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  Speaker 3: have only just started to have an influence on all
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  Speaker 3: that is the influence of these changes actually going to
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  Speaker 3: increase now, I think.
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  Speaker 13: So.
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  Speaker 14: I think Melbourne and Sydney a different cases because that's
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  Speaker 14: where most migrants come to as well, and the migration
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  Speaker 14: numbers are still very high, and as I said, the
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  Speaker 14: supply numbers of housing is very low in relative terms.
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  Speaker 14: So they've reduced housing apply by thirty thousand each year
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  Speaker 14: since I've been in government on average, So you've got
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  Speaker 14: more people than ever and you've got fewer houses than
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  Speaker 14: ever on a relative basis. So I think the affordability
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  Speaker 14: and the rents are going to be worse.
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  Speaker 3: Now, look, Labor of course did this before, back in
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  Speaker 3: the hawk keating government.
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  Speaker 1: They got rid of negative gearing. It lasted about a
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  Speaker 1: year or so.
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  Speaker 3: Rents went up, housing became less affordable, and they scrapped
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  Speaker 3: those changes. I can't believe they've gone back to that
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  Speaker 3: same policy sort of forty or fifty years later. But
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  Speaker 3: is there a possibility this could get so bad that
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  Speaker 3: Labor are going to have to do it again for
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  Speaker 3: a second time, repeal their changes to negative gearing.
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  Speaker 14: Well, they've already had to change the budget four times
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  Speaker 14: since it was an ounce and the changes they made
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  Speaker 14: at the behests the green to self any super funds
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  Speaker 14: now mean that the self any super funds can't borrow
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  Speaker 14: to invest in.
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  Speaker 13: Off the plan development.
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  Speaker 14: So they're literally stopping people and funds from creating new
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  Speaker 14: houses that people could live in. So I think they'll
• 20:01
  Speaker 14: have to revise that. They have to go back and
• 20:03
  Speaker 14: fix this window. As tax issue charms have already had
• 20:07
  Speaker 14: three goes to this budget, you'll have to have a fourth.
• 20:08
  Speaker 5: And a fifth.
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah, what a mess? What a mess.
• 20:12
  Speaker 3: Let me get you on something out side your portfolio.
• 20:14
  Speaker 3: You mentioned immigration.
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: We know what's happened with the ISIS brides.
• 20:18
  Speaker 3: There's this story now that a dozen or more Australian
• 20:21
  Speaker 3: ISIS fighters who have been held imprisoned in Araq are
• 20:26
  Speaker 3: about to be freed and might try and find their
• 20:28
  Speaker 3: way back to Australia. Now, Tony Burke says his government,
• 20:31
  Speaker 3: the alb and easy labor government, will not lift a
• 20:33
  Speaker 3: finger to help these ISIS fighters get back to Australia.
• 20:37
  Speaker 3: But that's what he said about the ISIS brides and
• 20:39
  Speaker 3: they still got back in it.
• 20:42
  Speaker 8: Well.
• 20:42
  Speaker 14: I think it's a non reasonable burden for the Australian
• 20:44
  Speaker 14: people to bear that they have to live next door
• 20:46
  Speaker 14: to these people or near these people. The government should
• 20:49
  Speaker 14: be doing everything they can to exclude them. That should
• 20:51
  Speaker 14: be the starting point. Their starting point shouldn't be We're
• 20:54
  Speaker 14: not going to not help them. They should be trying
• 20:56
  Speaker 14: to block them from coming back in YEP.
• 20:58
  Speaker 3: I think most of the country would agree with you, Andrew.
• 21:00
  Speaker 3: Thanks for joining us. Andrew Bragg there, Liberals Senator for
• 21:04
  Speaker 3: New South Wales and Shadow Housing Minister.
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: We're got to go to a break.
• 21:08
  Speaker 3: After that break, I'm going to check in on the
• 21:11
  Speaker 3: Middle East war between US and Iran. As the US
• 21:15
  Speaker 3: loses patients with the Iran's attacks on shipping in the area.
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: Alexander Downer will join me.
• 21:25
  Speaker 3: The US and Iran have launched strikes for a second day,
• 21:29
  Speaker 3: with the US President Donald Trump saying we just hit
• 21:31
  Speaker 3: them very hard.
• 21:33
  Speaker 4: Donald Trump warned these attacks would come, and they did.
• 21:36
  Speaker 4: These later strikes by the US were spread over a
• 21:39
  Speaker 4: far greater geographical area than attacks earlier this week. President
• 21:43
  Speaker 4: Trump had been at the NATO summit in Turkey when
• 21:46
  Speaker 4: he warned these strikes were probable and changed his tune
• 21:49
  Speaker 4: on how he views Iran's leaders.
• 21:51
  Speaker 5: To me, I think it's over. I don't want to
• 21:55
  Speaker 5: deal with them and with their scum. You know what
• 21:57
  Speaker 5: scum is. There's scum, there's sick people.
• 22:00
  Speaker 4: The sixty days ceasefire appears to have stopped for now,
• 22:03
  Speaker 4: three weeks to the day after the Memorandum of understanding
• 22:06
  Speaker 4: was signed, and President Trump is still trying to find
• 22:10
  Speaker 4: a way out of this conflict.
• 22:13
  Speaker 3: Yes, so much for that ceasefire, of course, and those
• 22:16
  Speaker 3: peace talks. Former Foreign Minister Alexander Downer always said.
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: This would be a rocky path.
• 22:21
  Speaker 3: But when I caught up with him from Greece put
• 22:24
  Speaker 3: to him that the agreement seems to have collapsed all together.
• 22:26
  Speaker 8: Now, well, I think it will come and go, to
• 22:30
  Speaker 8: be honest, But in a sense there's a bigger issue here.
• 22:35
  Speaker 8: The Americans have to be decisive in their victory over
• 22:39
  Speaker 8: the Iranians, and that includes keeping open the Strait of
• 22:43
  Speaker 8: Homus and making sure in the meantime that Iranian Oilek blockaded,
• 22:52
  Speaker 8: that their ports in particular are blockaded. So they have
• 22:56
  Speaker 8: to be very tough on the Iranians. And I have
• 23:00
  Speaker 8: to say I thought the memorandum of understanding was a
• 23:04
  Speaker 8: bit weak, and it was weak, and therefore it wouldn't hold.
• 23:08
  Speaker 8: The Iranians gained confidence out of it, and you know,
• 23:13
  Speaker 8: they've been attacking shipping in the Strait of Homers because
• 23:16
  Speaker 8: they don't like the route that it's taking, which is
• 23:20
  Speaker 8: to the south near the border with Amman, on the
• 23:25
  Speaker 8: coast of Amman. So inevitably the Americans have had to
• 23:30
  Speaker 8: attack the Iranians as a result of that. But they
• 23:35
  Speaker 8: have to be decisive, and the Americans have to be
• 23:39
  Speaker 8: ruthless and not continually looking over their shoulder at public opinion.
• 23:44
  Speaker 8: If you get into a war, you have to be decisive.
• 23:49
  Speaker 8: You have to be clear about your objectives and I'm
• 23:52
  Speaker 8: sorry to say this. You have to be ruthless in
• 23:56
  Speaker 8: pursuing your objectives.
• 23:58
  Speaker 3: Well, they're now fears for violence again, the warning sirens
• 24:02
  Speaker 3: and the like in the Golf States. Of course, they
• 24:05
  Speaker 3: could expect more attacks from drones or missiles from Iran.
• 24:09
  Speaker 3: Donald Trump has said that he's run out of patients.
• 24:11
  Speaker 3: That you can't reason with the Iranian regime. That's always
• 24:15
  Speaker 3: been clear. They're not particularly rational actors.
• 24:20
  Speaker 8: This is my view. They're rational according to their own
• 24:25
  Speaker 8: theology and ideology. They want to destroy, ultimately, not just Israel,
• 24:31
  Speaker 8: but destroy the Christian and secular West. These are complete
• 24:37
  Speaker 8: The people who run iron, not the Iranian people generally,
• 24:42
  Speaker 8: the people who are run at the IRGC and so on.
• 24:46
  Speaker 8: These are fanatics, these people, and they've been spreading terrorism
• 24:51
  Speaker 8: not just in the Middle East but beyond the Middle
• 24:54
  Speaker 8: East since nineteen seventy nine. They have to be dealt with.
• 25:00
  Speaker 8: They have to be dealt with ruthlessly and decisively. Humming
• 25:05
  Speaker 8: and hiring and hesitating as Donald Trump has done, that's
• 25:11
  Speaker 8: not going to solve the problem. They're not going to
• 25:13
  Speaker 8: go away. If the Americans are hesitant and uncertain, worried
• 25:18
  Speaker 8: about the mid term elections and so on. The mid
• 25:23
  Speaker 8: term elections will look after themselves. If the Americans do
• 25:27
  Speaker 8: well in this war, they won't if they don't.
• 25:31
  Speaker 4: Well.
• 25:31
  Speaker 3: Let me get your thoughts on some Australian foreign policy.
• 25:34
  Speaker 3: It's been a busy week for Prime Minister Anthony Albanezi
• 25:39
  Speaker 3: in the Pacific, signing a new defense agreement with Fiji
• 25:43
  Speaker 3: and also criticizing China for being provocative with its missile firing.
• 25:49
  Speaker 3: And today in Melbourne, the Prime Minister's hosting a visit
• 25:53
  Speaker 3: by Indian Prime Minister and there Enda Modi. These are
• 25:56
  Speaker 3: all up good initiatives, aren't.
• 25:58
  Speaker 8: They Yes, they are. And the one observation I'd make
• 26:04
  Speaker 8: not only to support what the Australian government has been doing,
• 26:08
  Speaker 8: and signing a uranium export agreement with the Indians is
• 26:13
  Speaker 8: something I did when I was the Foreign Minister and
• 26:17
  Speaker 8: the Labor Party of Posts. So it's good to see
• 26:22
  Speaker 8: them implementing some of my initiatives. Orbit a couple of
• 26:26
  Speaker 8: decades later. That doesn't matter so much. I mean, I
• 26:30
  Speaker 8: think what is particularly noteworthy about the last week or
• 26:36
  Speaker 8: so is the catastrophic Chinese foreign policy. To fire a
• 26:45
  Speaker 8: ballistic missile into the Pacific is to alienate the whole
• 26:50
  Speaker 8: of the Pacific island community. They've just showed themselves to
• 26:55
  Speaker 8: be insensitive, aggressive, showing no understanding of the Pacific, of
• 27:03
  Speaker 8: the culture of those countries in the Pacific. So a
• 27:08
  Speaker 8: combination of the Australian government initiatives and the defense agreements
• 27:14
  Speaker 8: with Beiji and Vanuatu and shocking Chinese diplomacy has been
• 27:20
  Speaker 8: a very good week for Australia.
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: Alexander Downa, thanks for joining us again. Enjoy Greece, Sure,
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: I will be sure.
• 27:31
  Speaker 3: Will tells me it's pretty hot there. What do you
• 27:34
  Speaker 3: know it's hot in Europe in the summer. Now we'll
• 27:37
  Speaker 3: take a break. On the other side, I'm going to
• 27:38
  Speaker 3: check in on those five hundred dollars a pop light
• 27:41
  Speaker 3: bulbs in the Defense Department. More on the state of
• 27:44
  Speaker 3: government spending with Senator Jess Collins. Now, I showed you
• 27:52
  Speaker 3: the other day that incredible exchange in a Senate estimates hearing,
• 27:57
  Speaker 3: trying to ascertain just how much it costs the Defense
• 28:00
  Speaker 3: Apartment to change a light bulb.
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: Here's a bit of what we showed you.
• 28:05
  Speaker 15: How much does it cost to change a light bulb?
• 28:12
  Speaker 15: I couldn't tell you.
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: We don't price you know, individual activities down to that
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: level of detail.
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: Well asking the questions.
• 28:22
  Speaker 3: There was Liberal Senator for New South Wales Jess Collins,
• 28:25
  Speaker 3: who joins me in the studio.
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: Now, thanks for joining us, Jess.
• 28:28
  Speaker 3: That was an incredible exchange. Defense contracts out this sort
• 28:33
  Speaker 3: of maintenance. So even if you are a very very
• 28:38
  Speaker 3: competent soldier, you don't change a light light bulb.
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: You file a request.
• 28:43
  Speaker 3: And a contractor provides it, and you seriously reckon all up.
• 28:46
  Speaker 3: Under these contracts, it might cost five for a bucks
• 28:48
  Speaker 3: a pop.
• 28:49
  Speaker 16: It absolutely does consistently. I've had a lot of messages
• 28:52
  Speaker 16: over the past couple of weeks, and the consistent messages
• 28:56
  Speaker 16: at least a few hundred dollars four hundred dollars, five
• 28:58
  Speaker 16: hundred dollars or more.
• 29:00
  Speaker 15: It's phenomenal.
• 29:01
  Speaker 16: And the crazy part of all of this is that
• 29:04
  Speaker 16: we actually have people on base. We have sparky's, we
• 29:06
  Speaker 16: have chippies, we have plumbers. They all have the skills,
• 29:09
  Speaker 16: they're learning it on base, and yet they're not allowed
• 29:12
  Speaker 16: to use it.
• 29:12
  Speaker 3: What is the rationale then, Why wouldn't you have light
• 29:15
  Speaker 3: bulbs on the base and have other people just to
• 29:18
  Speaker 3: reinstall them as required.
• 29:20
  Speaker 16: It's a very good question, and that's why I'm asking
• 29:22
  Speaker 16: these questions and estimates.
• 29:23
  Speaker 15: They used to do it.
• 29:24
  Speaker 16: If your light bulb went out, you go out to
• 29:26
  Speaker 16: the Q store, you get your light bulb, you come
• 29:28
  Speaker 16: back and you change it.
• 29:29
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: Look, it just does your head in.
• 29:31
  Speaker 3: And that's why I love this story because, yeah, it's
• 29:34
  Speaker 3: one small example, but it's about government waste and it's
• 29:37
  Speaker 3: about bureaucracy, and we all want a good defense force,
• 29:40
  Speaker 3: but we don't want money wasted on stuff like this.
• 29:44
  Speaker 3: Is this part of the state strategy of yours to
• 29:46
  Speaker 3: probe all defense spending.
• 29:48
  Speaker 16: Absolutely, So at the moment I'm sharing the inquiry into
• 29:51
  Speaker 16: the Defense of States sell off. They're selling sixty seven
• 29:54
  Speaker 16: bases right across the country, some.
• 29:55
  Speaker 15: Of them fair enough, a lot of them. Keep your
• 29:58
  Speaker 15: hands off it.
• 29:59
  Speaker 16: So Victoria Barracks and Brisbane, Melbourne and Sydney, and part
• 30:03
  Speaker 16: of the rationale which we heard Defense Minister Richard Miles
• 30:06
  Speaker 16: stand up before give a press conference at Victoria of Rack,
• 30:09
  Speaker 16: Sydney and he said that particular base was had enormous
• 30:14
  Speaker 16: maintenance cost twenty million dollars every year, previously ten million
• 30:18
  Speaker 16: dollars every year. Something's changing and we know that cost
• 30:23
  Speaker 16: is going into things like change in a light bulb.
• 30:26
  Speaker 15: So yes, so we'll keep probing this issue.
• 30:27
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so as you say, some assets you can sell off,
• 30:30
  Speaker 3: but where there are assets you don't want to sell off,
• 30:32
  Speaker 3: attack the russianale here they're doing it supposed of with
• 30:35
  Speaker 3: the saved money.
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: Well there's other ways from the save money.
• 30:37
  Speaker 16: Right absolutely. And look, you know these bases. A lot
• 30:40
  Speaker 16: of these bases we already own, and they're trying to
• 30:43
  Speaker 16: funnel everybody from Victoria of eRx Sydney into other bases,
• 30:47
  Speaker 16: other places like Defense Plaza, Sydney. It's a least building,
• 30:51
  Speaker 16: it's a corporate building. It's in the middle of the
• 30:53
  Speaker 16: city in Pitt Street, and we don't own it. We
• 30:57
  Speaker 16: don't pay so we don't own Sparzicity. We pay rent
• 31:01
  Speaker 16: on it. They've just spent over three hundred million dollars
• 31:04
  Speaker 16: on that particular lease.
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a big issue.
• 31:07
  Speaker 3: I mean, some of these facilities you want to keep
• 31:09
  Speaker 3: for historical purposes. I've put Victoria Barracks, Sydney certainly into
• 31:12
  Speaker 3: that category. Some of them are important bits of land.
• 31:15
  Speaker 3: You don't want to be flogging it off Willy Lilly.
• 31:17
  Speaker 3: But there must be some assets they're worth selling.
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: We'll keep.
• 31:20
  Speaker 3: We'll get you back on to talk about that another time.
• 31:23
  Speaker 3: Just on the issues of the day though. I just
• 31:25
  Speaker 3: wanted to get you on the Telstra problem. So tell
• 31:28
  Speaker 3: us to reassuring the country now that TRIPLEO works. But
• 31:33
  Speaker 3: that was supposed to be the case yesterday too. They
• 31:35
  Speaker 3: keep having these problems and yet the government seems to
• 31:38
  Speaker 3: be attacking the Coalition for daring to test the Triple
• 31:41
  Speaker 3: O number.
• 31:41
  Speaker 16: Oh classic labor playbook, isn't it. That put the blame
• 31:45
  Speaker 16: on us. They are the government. This is a non
• 31:47
  Speaker 16: serious government and they've got to step up to the plate.
• 31:50
  Speaker 16: And you know, right across the board, from defense to
• 31:52
  Speaker 16: our critical infrastructure, they are just not protecting Australians and
• 31:55
  Speaker 16: they've got to do a better job.
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah, So where do we go with this.
• 31:58
  Speaker 3: We've had Optus failures, we're having Telstra struggling to get
• 32:01
  Speaker 3: on top of this. As I said, the government yesterday,
• 32:04
  Speaker 3: they're attacking Sarah Henderson for daring to test the Triple
• 32:08
  Speaker 3: O number. Today they're attacking Karen Little for passing on
• 32:11
  Speaker 3: reports that someone had died because they couldn't get through
• 32:14
  Speaker 3: on Triple O well, we know hundreds of people couldn't
• 32:17
  Speaker 3: get through and they've got to check that out.
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: I mean, rather than attacking the.
• 32:21
  Speaker 3: Opposition, I would have thought the government would be on
• 32:23
  Speaker 3: to Telstra and the tech giants, the communications giants about
• 32:28
  Speaker 3: making sure they deliver what they're supposed to deliver.
• 32:31
  Speaker 15: Well, that's exactly right.
• 32:31
  Speaker 16: They don't have a plan, they don't have a vision,
• 32:33
  Speaker 16: that don't come out with good policy, and they absolutely
• 32:35
  Speaker 16: should be doing it. And I think they're just trying
• 32:37
  Speaker 16: to take the attention away from our prime minister, who
• 32:40
  Speaker 16: we all learned this week was a creep.
• 32:42
  Speaker 3: A creep. Well, go on tell us about it. You
• 32:46
  Speaker 3: got the thing is with the PM. You don't want
• 32:50
  Speaker 3: to get too high and mighty about what he said,
• 32:52
  Speaker 3: but it's pub talk, right, It's not what a prime
• 32:54
  Speaker 3: minister should be saying, especially in a public forum.
• 32:57
  Speaker 16: I absolutely agree with that. But you know, more to
• 33:01
  Speaker 16: the point is that he was demeaning of the Japanese
• 33:03
  Speaker 16: prime minister, who's the first female prime minister in Japan.
• 33:06
  Speaker 15: She's got a very tough job.
• 33:08
  Speaker 16: And how demeaning I mean of any woman that he
• 33:11
  Speaker 16: said that about, you know that make those comments.
• 33:13
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it was schoolboys stuff, and he still hasn't been
• 33:16
  Speaker 3: fronted about it. He still hasn't been forced to apologize
• 33:19
  Speaker 3: on camera. We'll keep tabs on that. Thanks for joining us, Senator,
• 33:22
  Speaker 3: I appreciate it. Thanks for having us senator. Just Sir
• 33:24
  Speaker 3: Collins there on those light bulbs in defense, just unbelievable stuff.
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: We're going to go to a break.
• 33:30
  Speaker 3: After the break, we'll catch up with Marke and Tim
• 33:32
  Speaker 3: might check in on Robbo for sport too.
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: Well.
• 33:45
  Speaker 3: We talked about State of Origin last night and I
• 33:47
  Speaker 3: suggested that if I can throw a little bit of
• 33:49
  Speaker 3: praise elbows away a couple of nights in a row,
• 33:52
  Speaker 3: then maybe the Blues could pull off an upset win.
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: Have a look what happened?
• 33:56
  Speaker 17: Please the ruck step up the rut clemy thy thank
• 34:02
  Speaker 17: Colmia's got over to the place. Say they get a
• 34:05
  Speaker 17: run a ponga tabio feedo.
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: He gots out the can. He's not the kck.
• 34:11
  Speaker 17: It's not it's for faked.
• 34:12
  Speaker 8: It's there.
• 34:13
  Speaker 18: Pasts up with that piste not two years ago. Shakespays,
• 34:19
  Speaker 18: do't stated away for ponger prato pests doesn't a can.
• 34:25
  Speaker 19: It on the Jerseys amphole State of Origin Champions.
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: You south Wild.
• 34:35
  Speaker 3: Let's catch up with sports broadcast and writer Mark Robinson
• 34:38
  Speaker 3: and Robbie.
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: This was incredible.
• 34:40
  Speaker 3: You know, I'm starting to learn a lot more about
• 34:42
  Speaker 3: rugby league. It's not my natural game. But there was
• 34:45
  Speaker 3: a cracking game and that's tough to go up there
• 34:47
  Speaker 3: and beat Queensland.
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: They brought it home.
• 34:49
  Speaker 5: No it is improbably don't like sport, Betighan.
• 34:52
  Speaker 9: Last night's sporting event just takes your mind off all
• 34:56
  Speaker 9: the troubles in this country, mainly Victoria. Where are you just?
• 35:00
  Speaker 9: It had everything that you would want in a sporting event.
• 35:04
  Speaker 9: You had the backs to the wall, New South Wales
• 35:07
  Speaker 9: going to the going away from.
• 35:09
  Speaker 5: Home, needing, needing to win.
• 35:12
  Speaker 9: You had Nathan Clearing, surely he's going to be in
• 35:15
  Speaker 9: a Malta one day. You had controversy, you had drama,
• 35:20
  Speaker 9: you had better, you had winging, you had commentators with
• 35:25
  Speaker 9: their buyers commentary. You had the bunker that let the
• 35:30
  Speaker 9: game down. I think I think technology is good for
• 35:33
  Speaker 9: the sport, but we all can't handle when humans don't.
• 35:40
  Speaker 9: They make the mistakes, not not the technology, the humans,
• 35:44
  Speaker 9: and that happened last night.
• 35:45
  Speaker 5: But what a sporting victory such it was.
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: It was superbody.
• 35:50
  Speaker 5: It was unbelievable.
• 35:52
  Speaker 3: Look the same in Aussie rules, the same in soccer,
• 35:56
  Speaker 3: in the league as well. These video reviews they get,
• 35:59
  Speaker 3: they're so nicol and they're so debatable and they slow
• 36:02
  Speaker 3: the down game down, and now everyone's arguing about it.
• 36:06
  Speaker 3: But it's the only downside of what was a cracking
• 36:09
  Speaker 3: a game of rugby league, Robbo.
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: And it was.
• 36:12
  Speaker 3: Interesting to read today that the new South Wales coach
• 36:17
  Speaker 3: Daily You had brought in to talk to the team
• 36:19
  Speaker 3: before the first game of the series and then back
• 36:22
  Speaker 3: in over.
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: The last few days.
• 36:24
  Speaker 3: Stuart Diver, who's of course a famous man who survived
• 36:28
  Speaker 3: the only survivor of that threadbow landslide all those years ago.
• 36:32
  Speaker 3: So just a man with nothing to do with the
• 36:34
  Speaker 3: sport directly, but sharing his inner strength and survival story
• 36:39
  Speaker 3: and it could have been one of the one of
• 36:41
  Speaker 3: the key moves to galvanize the group.
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 36:44
  Speaker 9: Well so the coach's devised a strategy as Lorry Daily
• 36:48
  Speaker 9: and congratulations to Lorrie Day was under enormous pressure from
• 36:51
  Speaker 9: members of the media. He brings it all together and
• 36:56
  Speaker 9: you've got it in sport. I think you've got to
• 36:58
  Speaker 9: find that something now you can call it motivation, but
• 37:02
  Speaker 9: it's too simple a word.
• 37:04
  Speaker 5: Oh, let's just motivate. Let's get to a diver in
• 37:06
  Speaker 5: to talk about it.
• 37:07
  Speaker 9: It's not that it's bringing people together for a cause,
• 37:11
  Speaker 9: and Divers spoke about.
• 37:13
  Speaker 5: Why so why is it important for New South Wales?
• 37:17
  Speaker 9: And who knows how much of an impact it had
• 37:19
  Speaker 9: the way Laurie Daly spoke today about what it.
• 37:23
  Speaker 5: Did to the players.
• 37:25
  Speaker 9: You can't not think it had some sort of impact
• 37:29
  Speaker 9: of going to a foreign land, Queensland underdog and getting
• 37:34
  Speaker 9: up and having a magnificent win.
• 37:36
  Speaker 3: I think you're right, and helped them focus on their
• 37:38
  Speaker 3: inner strength. And look, there's been a lot happening in sports.
• 37:41
  Speaker 3: I just want to skip ACU, the socceros. We've talked
• 37:44
  Speaker 3: a lot about Valiant but they're out of it. But
• 37:46
  Speaker 3: along the way, of course, there hasn't been enough attention
• 37:48
  Speaker 3: on the Australian women's cricketers winning the World Cup.
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: Teach when you get again.
• 37:52
  Speaker 9: Yeah, it got lost in the mix. It not saying
• 37:55
  Speaker 9: it always does, No, it doesn't. Actually it just come
• 37:58
  Speaker 9: up with a bad time. I mean, the World Cup
• 38:01
  Speaker 9: is probably the biggest event, probably.
• 38:05
  Speaker 5: Neck and neck with the Olympics.
• 38:06
  Speaker 9: The biggest event in world sports, certainly every four years,
• 38:09
  Speaker 9: and to have that tournament, the cricket tournament.
• 38:12
  Speaker 5: Up against.
• 38:15
  Speaker 9: The World Cup, it's not going to get the eyeballs
• 38:17
  Speaker 9: and it's probably not going to get the centimeters in
• 38:19
  Speaker 9: the paper or the minutes on TV.
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: Great achieve though, it's.
• 38:26
  Speaker 5: Better than that.
• 38:27
  Speaker 9: What's fighting you a lot and you agree with me
• 38:29
  Speaker 9: about our national teams, you know we get right behind them.
• 38:33
  Speaker 5: This women's cricket team for a long long time has
• 38:37
  Speaker 5: made all.
• 38:37
  Speaker 9: Of Australia who follow sport really proud of what they've
• 38:42
  Speaker 9: done for women's cricket.
• 38:44
  Speaker 5: I mean they're the best team in the world.
• 38:46
  Speaker 9: They have been for a long long time and they've
• 38:48
  Speaker 9: got great ambassadors for the team.
• 38:51
  Speaker 5: And yeah, it was a fantastic performance.
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: Terrific stuff. Robbo, thanks for joining us.
• 38:56
  Speaker 3: We'll catch you next week, Mark Robinson, there on a
• 38:59
  Speaker 3: big weekend sport.
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: Let's get to the national cabinet. Now.
• 39:02
  Speaker 3: We're joined from Victoria by Tim Blair out in the
• 39:05
  Speaker 3: Bush from the Daily Telegraph and Mark Nicholson in Melbourne
• 39:09
  Speaker 3: from step Mate Studios. Jenser, I'm glad that we can
• 39:13
  Speaker 3: actually catch up. Telstram must be working just at the moment.
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: Wasn't it great?
• 39:19
  Speaker 20: That this is If you work someone up from the
• 39:22
  Speaker 20: nineteen eighties and you send them to a train station
• 39:24
  Speaker 20: and you told them, no, the trains aren't running because
• 39:27
  Speaker 20: the phones are out. That's how things are going at
• 39:30
  Speaker 20: the moment. You know, you can, you can. You can't
• 39:34
  Speaker 20: use a phone to make a triple low call, but
• 39:37
  Speaker 20: you can use it to not refuel your car. That
• 39:42
  Speaker 20: makes a lot of sense.
• 39:43
  Speaker 3: This is the problem, Mark, This is I mean, I
• 39:45
  Speaker 3: walk out the front door now and often all I
• 39:48
  Speaker 3: have is a phone, right. I can buy anything I
• 39:50
  Speaker 3: want with the phone.
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: I can.
• 39:52
  Speaker 3: I can do my work emails. You know, I can
• 39:54
  Speaker 3: send money to my children. I mean, you don't need
• 39:57
  Speaker 3: anything but your phone.
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: But when it's out, we're all comployed, stuffed.
• 40:03
  Speaker 2: I know, and I'm a bit old fashioned myself, but
• 40:07
  Speaker 2: it really has sort of struck me how just how
• 40:10
  Speaker 2: fragile everything is.
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: Like, as Tim said, who knew the.
• 40:13
  Speaker 2: Trains ran on telstrap and then on a mobile network.
• 40:18
  Speaker 2: I'm starting to think like I'm going to start going
• 40:20
  Speaker 2: back to a landline. I've been contemplating it for a while.
• 40:23
  Speaker 2: I think I'm gonna go back to a couple of
• 40:24
  Speaker 2: cups with some string to be honest, because at least
• 40:27
  Speaker 2: it's reliable.
• 40:28
  Speaker 3: How do you ring someone to tell them you're late
• 40:30
  Speaker 3: because you can't get on the train because the phones
• 40:33
  Speaker 3: are out.
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: It's just ridiculous, outrageous. Let's have a listen to tell
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: us her explaining it all.
• 40:41
  Speaker 19: Last night we identified a subsequent issue that was impacting
• 40:43
  Speaker 19: some calls, including Triple zero, and the nature of this
• 40:47
  Speaker 19: only became apparent as we resolved the original issue. I
• 40:51
  Speaker 19: want to again apologize for the disruption these issues have
• 40:54
  Speaker 19: caused to our customers and to the broader community. We
• 40:58
  Speaker 19: know how important it is to stay connected and we
• 41:00
  Speaker 19: take this responsibility very seriously.
• 41:04
  Speaker 3: Yeah, stop with the management speaker, Just get the phones
• 41:07
  Speaker 3: up and running again. People shouldn't have to put up
• 41:09
  Speaker 3: with this big problem. Big problem. Now, let's get to
• 41:12
  Speaker 3: another bloke who's had a bit of a big problem
• 41:14
  Speaker 3: with his embarrassing interview. That is, the Prime Minister still
• 41:18
  Speaker 3: yet to take any questions on this.
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: Someone's got to front him up about it at some stage.
• 41:23
  Speaker 3: You just got his office to put out an apology
• 41:26
  Speaker 3: for this podcast he did last week.
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: He's one of the more embarrassing moments from it. The
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: Japanese Prime minister brought a melon?
• 41:36
  Speaker 15: How did he get that through custom?
• 41:38
  Speaker 4: She at a royal melon?
• 41:40
  Speaker 12: She smuggled it was a she she she smuggle it.
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I got a couple of melons.
• 41:47
  Speaker 8: She brought two.
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: She brought too, as you do.
• 41:50
  Speaker 20: She just came in looking like Pamela r Anders.
• 41:52
  Speaker 5: She brought too.
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: Yes, and they're beautiful.
• 41:56
  Speaker 3: Oh, Mark, I can't wait to see your cartoons do
• 41:59
  Speaker 3: a version of this.
• 42:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah, tomorrow's one does have a little a little mention
• 42:06
  Speaker 2: in that. I did see that podcast and went, oh, yes,
• 42:08
  Speaker 2: gold found it, got it? Please give me that. I'm
• 42:12
  Speaker 2: so excited. But the thing is, it's like it's it's
• 42:15
  Speaker 2: pure ole, and it's like my business model is purality.
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: Like I'm not beyond a joke like that.
• 42:22
  Speaker 2: I think I made about five of them in the
• 42:23
  Speaker 2: office as I was getting plugged in tonight, Like I'm
• 42:26
  Speaker 2: not beyond that. But I'm also not the Prime minister,
• 42:28
  Speaker 2: and I'm not walking around pretending to be better than
• 42:32
  Speaker 2: a pure old joke all the time and pretending that
• 42:34
  Speaker 2: I'm high and mighty like that. So it's just bad
• 42:38
  Speaker 2: political instinct from this bloke, and it's good. It's everyone.
• 42:40
  Speaker 2: So I think seeing what he's really like, I think
• 42:42
  Speaker 2: that's the thing. It's he's it's this is actually what
• 42:45
  Speaker 2: the what the fella's like behind the scenes.
• 42:47
  Speaker 3: Well, this is the interesting thing about it, Tim, because
• 42:49
  Speaker 3: you know, cartoonists and commentators and satirists, they will make
• 42:54
  Speaker 3: it the task to sort of knock the Prime minister
• 42:57
  Speaker 3: down a peg or two, that's all, that's the fun
• 42:59
  Speaker 3: of the game. But this bloke just diminishes himself every minute.
• 43:04
  Speaker 20: Have you knocked someone down when they're already at that level?
• 43:08
  Speaker 20: I mean, maybe it's an act of political genius. I
• 43:10
  Speaker 20: mean I'm just kind of dreading him ever encountering the
• 43:13
  Speaker 20: Italian Prime Minister Georgia Maloney, because you know, he's got
• 43:18
  Speaker 20: this melon's fixation. And also how's he going at the
• 43:21
  Speaker 20: moment with the Indian leader Mody? You know, would you share, Kylie,
• 43:27
  Speaker 20: what sort of small talk is the Prime Minister making
• 43:29
  Speaker 20: with these powerful individuals. Now we see what level he
• 43:31
  Speaker 20: operates privately. It's intriguing, it is.
• 43:35
  Speaker 3: Indeed, Now, Mark, let's go to your good friend Pauline Hansen,
• 43:40
  Speaker 3: who's in the UK at the moment. I thought it
• 43:43
  Speaker 3: was fantastic to see her the other day having a
• 43:46
  Speaker 3: having a beer at Jeremy Clarkson's pub The Farmer's Dog
• 43:50
  Speaker 3: with Holly Vance. But now she's sat down and done
• 43:52
  Speaker 3: a podcast apparently with Tommy Robinson.
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: That's living dangerously, isn't it.
• 43:57
  Speaker 3: This is the bloke who Carl Steffan over platformed and
• 44:01
  Speaker 3: ended up losing his gig at nine. We haven't seen
• 44:05
  Speaker 3: what she said with Tommy Robinson now, but he's a
• 44:07
  Speaker 3: pretty odious character with some assault convictions and fraud convictions
• 44:12
  Speaker 3: behind him. Before you even get to anything, he said
• 44:15
  Speaker 3: that when it comes to xenophobia and the like.
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: What are your thoughts on this?
• 44:21
  Speaker 2: Well, it's not like Paul Enhanson to shy away from
• 44:23
  Speaker 2: anything that can be dangerous. But to be honest, mate,
• 44:25
  Speaker 2: in terms of podcasts, unless they play the shag Marry
• 44:29
  Speaker 2: date thing or whatever it is on the podcast, I
• 44:32
  Speaker 2: don't think anything particularly controversial. Is you're going to fall
• 44:35
  Speaker 2: out from this podcast. I'm not sure how bad it
• 44:38
  Speaker 2: could be. I'm actually desperately looking forward to listening to
• 44:41
  Speaker 2: the podcast. To be honest, I think I think this.
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: Is the thing.
• 44:44
  Speaker 2: We need more speech, We need more stuff to get
• 44:46
  Speaker 2: aired out. Whether it's whether you criticize it or you
• 44:49
  Speaker 2: love it or whatever. I think it's a good thing
• 44:51
  Speaker 2: to be able to have this stuff out there. I
• 44:53
  Speaker 2: had the same opinion when it was with Carl. I
• 44:54
  Speaker 2: think it's a good thing to have more speech out there.
• 44:57
  Speaker 2: So I'm looking forward to it. They're going to choose
• 45:00
  Speaker 2: shagged Mary Hill.
• 45:00
  Speaker 3: She'll get she'll get plenty of attention. But I hadn't
• 45:02
  Speaker 3: thought about Tim. That would be genius. Shagged Mary and
• 45:05
  Speaker 3: kill law. That's the toughest question now in global politics.
• 45:10
  Speaker 20: Absolutely incredible. Again, you know we were talking a few
• 45:14
  Speaker 20: minutes ago about if you drag them up from the
• 45:16
  Speaker 20: nineteen eighties and said that you know the phones can
• 45:18
  Speaker 20: stop trains. Well, I don't think anyone would have ever
• 45:21
  Speaker 20: predicted a meeting between Holly Valence Pauline Hanson in Jeremy
• 45:25
  Speaker 20: Clarkston's pub. We live in very fascinating times and only
• 45:31
  Speaker 20: we can't predict what's going to happen next to this stage,
• 45:33
  Speaker 20: it's it's all terrific.
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: Talk about unpredictable.
• 45:37
  Speaker 3: Why don't we check in on the UK Leader of Reform,
• 45:42
  Speaker 3: Nigel Faraj.
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: How about this for a statement.
• 45:46
  Speaker 11: Now, I've decided that the people of Clacton should be
• 45:49
  Speaker 11: the judges of my actions. This will be a people
• 45:54
  Speaker 11: versus the establishment by election.
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: I just think this is political genius.
• 46:00
  Speaker 3: But I mean the idea that a bloke's resigning his
• 46:02
  Speaker 3: seat and recontesting it and no one's going to run
• 46:05
  Speaker 3: against him except some blog dressed up as a rubbish bin.
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: Only the Poms. Surely only the Pomps could do this.
• 46:14
  Speaker 2: Mate, who says politics is boring, I don't understand. Like,
• 46:17
  Speaker 2: this is better than the world cut, the state of origin,
• 46:19
  Speaker 2: This is, this is everything to me. Whoever says this
• 46:22
  Speaker 2: is this is boring and this is not dramatic is
• 46:25
  Speaker 2: out of the Look at how Count Binface look at
• 46:27
  Speaker 2: him go it's going to be awesome. I'm a big
• 46:30
  Speaker 2: fan of Farage, but bin Face what a protagon, like,
• 46:32
  Speaker 2: what an antagonist to the whole thing. It's I'm fascinated.
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: I can't wait for this to fall out. Would you
• 46:38
  Speaker 1: vote for tim Nija Farrage or bin Man.
• 46:42
  Speaker 20: Well, I've always been inclined towards the reform side of politics,
• 46:46
  Speaker 20: but Count Binface does have some impressive policies. He wants
• 46:50
  Speaker 20: to nationalize, which I think it's excellent. And yeah, there's
• 46:55
  Speaker 20: a whole list of policies that count Binface goes for,
• 46:58
  Speaker 20: and I urge people to, especially our British viewers on YouTube,
• 47:04
  Speaker 20: do give cam bin Face a bit of a think
• 47:06
  Speaker 20: because it's not all bad. Some of it's pretty pretty palful.
• 47:11
  Speaker 3: If you think vote for Nigel Faraj is a bit
• 47:14
  Speaker 3: of a protest and the account Binface that takes it
• 47:18
  Speaker 3: up a notch.
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: Take out the trash now. Look.
• 47:20
  Speaker 3: I had a bit of a go at the ABC
• 47:22
  Speaker 3: on Serious Matters at the top of the program because
• 47:24
  Speaker 3: I think it's appalling. Well it's appalling on a range
• 47:26
  Speaker 3: of issues, climate change, renewable energy, immigration and the like,
• 47:30
  Speaker 3: but what it's done on anti Semitism in the Middle
• 47:32
  Speaker 3: East has been appalling. Just as an example of its priorities,
• 47:36
  Speaker 3: I want to show you a little Instagram story that
• 47:38
  Speaker 3: actually the great Paul Murray drew to my attention today.
• 47:41
  Speaker 1: Have a look at this.
• 47:43
  Speaker 15: Is that Springs the lesbian capital of Australia. Well, that's
• 47:46
  Speaker 15: not far off the mark.
• 47:51
  Speaker 21: What we found in its research is that Alice Springs
• 47:55
  Speaker 21: actually sits within the top ten for the proportion of
• 47:57
  Speaker 21: same sex couples in the population in Australia and it's
• 48:01
  Speaker 21: the only local government area in the top ten where
• 48:04
  Speaker 21: the majority of the same six couples are lesbians.
• 48:08
  Speaker 2: Jenny Taylor and Sue Fielding's relationship blossomed in Alice Springs
• 48:13
  Speaker 2: decades ago.
• 48:16
  Speaker 3: Ah Mark, like Live and Let Live, the ABC is
• 48:19
  Speaker 3: supposed to be into all listen, So what's the news here?
• 48:22
  Speaker 1: Why are they telling this? Who cares exactly?
• 48:28
  Speaker 5: Mate?
• 48:28
  Speaker 2: And it's They claim to be the progressives about it,
• 48:32
  Speaker 2: but they keep dragging this up like it's done. It's
• 48:34
  Speaker 2: not even it's not a non issue. Who are you
• 48:36
  Speaker 2: convincing it's not a thing. Focus on the real issues
• 48:40
  Speaker 2: in Alice Springs. How about that that would take some
• 48:42
  Speaker 2: courage and be actually aggressive. How about you help the
• 48:45
  Speaker 2: people that are there. This is ridiculous, defund them, get
• 48:48
  Speaker 2: rid of it.
• 48:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah, just a joke, isn't it? Tim?
• 48:51
  Speaker 20: Absolutely? And I think you know pretty good odds. Somewhere
• 48:55
  Speaker 20: out there is a trans performer he goes by the
• 48:57
  Speaker 20: stage name Alice Springs, So that that might be just
• 49:00
  Speaker 20: a tip for the A b C if they will
• 49:01
  Speaker 20: do a follow up, y, because you're guaranteed guaranteed THEBC.
• 49:07
  Speaker 1: It's all started by Priscilla. Priscilla Queen of the Desert.
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: I'm going to catch up aby C. You about three
• 49:13
  Speaker 1: decades behind.
• 49:15
  Speaker 20: The smodism stuff. We've just got to We're just going
• 49:18
  Speaker 20: to crush the BBC at this point. It's two malicious
• 49:20
  Speaker 20: outfit and it brings evil to Australia.
• 49:22
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 49:23
  Speaker 3: Well I could not agree more on this issue in particular.
• 49:26
  Speaker 3: Thanks so much for joining us. Mark and Tim catch
• 49:28
  Speaker 3: up with you next week. We're over time, but again
• 49:31
  Speaker 3: onto Peter Creedlin hosted by Jamie Rodgers.
• 49:33
  Speaker 1: I'll catch you next week.