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The World's Politest Cannibal · Hocus Pocus Lack Of Focus

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  I suppose we better do a podcast in.
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  Guten tag and. Welcome into Hocus Pocus, lack
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  of focus Z Uber on educational podcast that brings you such
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  topics as witchcraft, paranormality, true crime and
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  anything weird and wonderful in the world.
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  Today we will be discussing the king of consent.
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  I'm in my vez trigger warning. We will be discussing
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  cannibalism and mutilation. So you have been warned.
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  It being justy, and I'm dropping the accent now because I can
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  only do German if it's camp, Mine camp.
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  I'm joined by a man who has a voracious appetite, but not for
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  human flesh, for knowledge. And after being a host on this
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  podcast, he is going hungry. Most weeks, it's Ocean Byrne.
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  IK pin EIN Berliner. And as always, it's our Hostess
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  with the most chess. She chose this week's topic.
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  Big shock. She wants to talk about eating
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  Dicks. It's Danny.
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  Thomas, Hello. Ocean, I do have to ask, how
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  have you found being with us these last few months?
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  I think I'm getting more and more offensive, like my my wife
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  can just hear me up in the office here yelling and all she
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  can hear is my side of the conversation and she's just
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  like, why do you yell so much? And I'm like because things need
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  to be yelled best. I know she she hates your your
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  Elon Musk. Is she?
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  She hates my Elon Musk. Like sometimes I'll do it just
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  like in the house. And she's like, please stop.
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  It's I've never been less attracted to you in my entire
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  life. Yeah.
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  That's nice. I.
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  Love that. She hasn't heard my RFK Junior
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  yet, so I'm working on that one. I think your RFK Junior is
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  great. I think it's really good.
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  Thanks, that's really nice. He's such a freak.
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  He is actually such a freak. I do.
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  I do love him though. I just, there's, there's just
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  something about people like that that I'm fascinated by because
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  it just makes me believe I could get into U.S. government easy.
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  He's a singular human being though.
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  Oh yeah. Oh yeah.
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  But did you ever see the Dick Tracy movie with Warren Beat?
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  Yes, Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, I'm Ruin Tracy.
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  So in Dick Tracy, it's like super accurate to the comic
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  books, Like it is like a 1940s comic book just come to life.
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  But all of the villains, they're all wearing like prosthetics and
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  they're all fucked up looking and they're all weird.
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  The Trump cabinet is just like the Dick Tracy villains.
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  Yeah. That is so true.
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  There's a character called Mumbles and Dustin Hoffman plays
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  Mumbles and you're just like, it's RFK junior.
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  Like, yeah, speak right. I like Al Pacino plays this like
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  absolute fucking unhinged lunatic.
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  And you're like, yeah, that's like, it makes it like Pete has
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  egg set and fucking who's that like super Nazi guy thing?
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  Oh. Yeah, the guy who's Ball looks
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  like he's met over and then Stimpy like he looks like he's.
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  Yeah, why? Why is his name Nazi #2?
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  Nazi cabinets number. 2. Greg Bovino.
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  I seen him Bongino getting like a cost of Gino.
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  No no bun there. Dan Bongino is the the guy who
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  was and. Yeah, the guy with the terrible
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  hair plugs. Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  And he just backed down and went back to podcasting.
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  He got stopped in an airport and like now he's being fucking like
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  squirrel busted. Like they do like, you know,
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  like people are coming around like you're a paedophile
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  protector and they're jewels astronauts.
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  He can't, he can't go anywhere now without people being around
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  and being like, oh, like you're a paedophile protector.
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  Like ah. Fucking brilliant.
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  I love that all these guys should just be hounded to the
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  ends of the earth. Fucking great.
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  Yes, yeah, let's not because if we go down this room, it's going
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  to be, I've seen them before. We cannot do an accidental
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  accident. What a phrase.
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  Oh, I just. Fell on that child and then, Oh
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  no, accidental Epstein. Oh no, I did an island speaking.
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  Of eating. Yeah, Speaking of eating, so
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  this story is about how did you pronounce his name?
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  My vez boy I've heard it being pronounced like 5 different ways
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  when I was like researching this.
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  But yeah my vez seems to be the the main one.
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  Some guys were calling were saying mives and I heard one
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  person saying muse and then they got accosted and told absolutely
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  not, it's my best. Yeah, I because I, I thought it
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  was my best, but I've again heard it like so many different
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  ways. And this is the only time I'll
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  say his surname. I'll just say that.
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  So we'll just call him, we'll call him Armin from here on his.
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  Actual full name is Armin. The mood for human flesh.
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  My best. Anyway.
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  You're like that. Clip up.
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  All night working on that one. Yeah, Alex, put down your
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  massive hog and clip that right now.
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  Bingo. So, yeah, this is something that
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  really interests me. And I'm not trying to like, like
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  glorify or idolize cannibalism whatsoever, but it is something
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  that's always, always interested me.
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  And I don't know if it's like, I think it's just so far from what
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  my brain can comprehend that I'm just kind of like, so fascinated
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  by it. But again, they say that's why
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  people are so interested and fascinated with true crime and
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  serial killers. It's like because your brain
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  could never, you can't imagine doing that to somebody.
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  So it is kind of just like it's so close to home that the human
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  brain can. But just the idea of cannibalism
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  is insane and I just I would love to know why people do it.
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  Well, it's the people who are like attracted to eating meat
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  like, you know, it's not like eating human meat out of Ness
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  necessity. It's people who have this like
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  urge and this compulsion to, to eat human meat because I'm
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  trying to remember what the, the fray the word is for like when
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  you eat human meat out of necessity, like.
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  Alive. Yeah, like alive the the rugby
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  team who ended up eating, eating their teammates.
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  And it's called, that's called like, you know, auto.
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  Thing no it's not hero fearless alive.
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  It's funny because as much as like, eh, you disturb me, Danny,
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  where a lot of stuff that I've I found myself.
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  I listened to like so much on this as I do like I again, I
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  poison my mind. Eh, with the week coming up,
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  when we get a topic, I'm like, OK, I'm going to go on
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  absolutely drown myself in this topic.
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  And it turns out the consumption of human flesh, not a big deal
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  for me. Like I'm a real carnivore, eh?
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  Like to, to a point where like some vegetables are icky to me,
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  like, you know, texture wise. But I love meat.
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  I wish I didn't love meat as much because I'm an animal
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  lover. Yeah, I bet you do.
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  But eh, the. Thing.
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  The thing with me is like, no matter what, I've never had it
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  where it's turned me off. Like if I buy into like a steak
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  and it bleeds in my mouth, I'm like you.
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  Yeah. So.
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  What a bit of big lump of fat. Or something like does that not
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  because that makes me gag. I pull the fat.
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  I bet you not, it makes you gag, Danny.
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  Jesus Christ, I really need to get off this.
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  And I, I pull like I pull the fat off a rasher or off a steak
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  and I eat it separately. But I leave.
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  No, I leave it to the end. That's that's like a little
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  dessert for me, little Jelly from dessert, a little bit of
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  ooey gooey. I got like I'm sucking down a
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  worm. I love it so much.
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  Just wrong. But like I actually, while
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  listening to this, I got I got so far and I went, oh, hold on.
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  I'm not completely repulsed by this.
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  And then I kind of started going, Am I your fucking
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  lunatic? Well, it's not like my mouth was
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  water and thinking about meat, but I was just like, I'm not
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  affected as much as I thought I would be this story.
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  So I have a little story. So I have a friend I was I was
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  chatting to about this that I was doing the topic.
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  No names or anything mentioned but his friend is a detective.
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  Oh. John.
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  Yeah, you know, John, John Dennard, but he was called to a
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  crime scene. Basically this woman who was bed
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  bound had no like her care wasn't there or whatever.
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  I think she had like covered herself in something, some kind
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  of fucking like Vaseline or moisturizer or whatever.
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  It was like highly found a lit a cigarette, dropped the match on
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  herself and just burned herself alive.
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  Firefighters, everything came and this detective said as
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  disgusting as it sounds, they were all fucking starving at the
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  smell of it. Apparently it smelled unreal.
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  She just fucking barbecued herself.
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  It smelled like BBQ. There's.
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  Series that like human meat tastes really bad because like
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  our diet is shit yeah like all the best meat is like the
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  animals have like almost just like one thing that these like
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  grass fed beef is really good or like you know if.
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  Corn fed chicken, yeah. Like, you know, if chickens are
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  fed like, you know, a good grain diet, their meat tastes good.
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  And then when you look at the the horrible things that we
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  like, you know, fucking a tube of Pringles with like Tesco
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  Value guacamole, which is what I'm going to be in later on.
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  And then like, you know, just a random chicken breast and like,
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  you know, a single carrot, you know, we feed ourselves like
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  fucking stupid. So we're just going to taste
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  like shit but. Apparently she smelled great.
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  So right. OK, she must had quite the mono
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  diet. I ate Kato sandwiches today.
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  Kato sandwich is nice. Maybe she just ate bacon and
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  then. But isn't it like people will
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  say that we taste more like pork than anything else?
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  Like so like human me and and so I heard.
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  It's actually quite smoothly. Yeah.
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  Right. So what I'll just I'll jump into
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  it then. Good.
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  Talk. You're just like, yeah, OK, we
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  taste like pork. That's it.
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  I can't hear you when you're different out.
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  So I didn't want to be like a whole or talking over each other
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  about pork, see. OK.
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  Right okay so Aaron was born on December 1st 1961.
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  His father was a police officer and he was a hard working guy.
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  Saved up enough money to buy his family a 36 room 16,000 square
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  foot mansion in Germany. 36 rooms is fucking crazy.
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  Like that's a. Castle like he he bought like an
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  entire. Castle, I think it's like 700
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  years old though, Yeah, so. He did.
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  He bought like a German castle. An old fucking cat, but it was
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  one of those I've seen pictures of it, like, you know those like
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  I don't even know how to describe it, but the like the
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  they're white and they've got like the the woodworks all over
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  them, like the the black woodwork, like just look, you
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  know what the Bavarian town I'm trying.
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  To think of it as well. Yeah, I can't think of the name,
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  but just he's having an aneurysm.
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  Yeah, he looks. Like he's in a lot of pain.
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  It does sound like Castle. I'm trying to think of the
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  fucking name of it though. Well, we'll come back to that.
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  So yeah, 16,000 square foot mansion in Germany.
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  Arman's parents married when the mom was 40 and the dad was 21.
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  That weird, weird, weird. Yeah.
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  So that's a it's a pretty big age difference.
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  Arman would say that his mom was extremely controlling.
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  She was manipulative, she was jealous.
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  She was always accusing her husband of cheating, which he's
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  fucking 21 and she's 40. He probably was cheating.
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  Fucking half the village, come on.
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  Yeah, no way he wasn't. She got pregnant with Arman
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  pretty much as a way then to just keep her husband, not
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  because she actually wanted a baby.
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  His mom was extremely possessive of him.
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  The mom and dad would always fight and she would threaten to
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  kill him all the time. Armand Yeah, very normal.
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  Yeah, yeah, yeah. And this was just a normal thing
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  that happened in the household. Very, very toxic relationship.
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  So there was a total of three kids.
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  Armand was the youngest, and then he had two older siblings.
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  But when he was young, like 5 or 6 years old, his older siblings
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  actually left the house, which just left Armand at home with
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  his mom and dad by himself. Armand would say that his mom
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  would not show any affection. She wasn't loving at all.
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  There was no relationship really at all between them.
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  If anything, she would just yell at him and she would always ask
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  him to do all the household chores.
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  Like she wouldn't do anything. She'd just fucking like lay
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  around the house all day. The dad would go out to work and
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  would do all the housework. It was always up to him.
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  And he's like 6 or 7 years old at this time, which is.
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  Could you imagine being like 6 or 7 years old and like all the
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  housework is just like you're cleaning a fucking castle?
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  Like go to go clean the hundreds of rooms.
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  Like like. 36 fucking rooms like Jesus Christ.
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  I saw a clip on TikTok before so like my TikTok feed is fucking
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  wild but there was this clip from the show and I'm one of
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  those American I'm too fat to do anything shows which seems to be
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  half the fucking TLC network. Every show, yeah.
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  But this woman was like 800 lbs, so she, she couldn't do
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  anything. Like her husband was washing her
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  in the back garden with a hose and stuff.
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  And the son was five years old. He was doing all the housework
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  while the dad was at work because, like, she couldn't do
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  anything. So he was doing all the laundry,
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  But he'd like, take all the laundry, put it into the washer
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  dryer or whatever. And then, like, it shows and
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  climbing up on a step to get into the dryer to take the
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  clothes back out because he couldn't reach if he didn't just
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  get in and take them out and throw them out onto the floor.
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  Super safe. Yeah.
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  And it's like he's just two years younger, like a two years
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  to a year younger than I'm in here.
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  So he's like a tiny little guy. How does an 800 LB.
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  Like how much weight must they have put on in five years?
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  Like you couldn't have a kid at £800.
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  No, it would have like that's the thing that that it very,
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  very unsafe for her to have had a kid.
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  Like the kid wouldn't have made it out.
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  Like so she must have packed out a whole lot of weight since
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  having the kid, but like Jesus Christ, 800 lbs is.
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  She's like, well, she's like 765 or something.
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  Oh. Oh, that was 35 lbs.
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  Really. Oh my gosh.
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  Well. Like the heaviest human ever
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  recorded was 1010 lbs. That's a that's, that's a half a
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  ton, yeah. Yeah, yeah, that's fucking
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  mental. That's that was back in like the
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  1800s, which, what are you eating back?
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  Then Henry the eighth. It was Henry the eighth.
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  It must have been Henry the Eighth.
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  He's probably eating people. He got close to 4.
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  Henry Day. At some of his wives, yeah.
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  Probably, but this guy was like like freak show size, do you
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  know what I mean? Like, like fucking.
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  Like. Circus size.
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  But yeah, this woman, seven, 765 lbs.
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  And she couldn't fucking do anything.
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  They'd go to like the supermarket and stuff and then
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  she would like wait in the car, but people would actually
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  approach the car and be like, you're disgusting.
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  And rightfully so. Yeah, she wouldn't do anything.
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  I mean, it just it gets to a point.
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  You know what? I mean say that like I am a fat,
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  I'm a fat human being like, and I've I've packed and I went, I
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  weighed, I weighed myself. And the other day I just had to
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  discuss myself. A couple of years ago I got
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  really like, I got down to like KG wise.
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  I was down to like 80, 89 KG which is fucking unheard of for
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  me. But I'm back up to like 100 and
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  111 KG right now. And I am like, you disgust me.
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  I I'm walking by a mirror just being like go and fucking go for
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  a run. And then my knees are like,
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  don't go for a run. Don't go for a run.
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  My belly is like, do go for a run.
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  But my knees are like, don't go for a run.
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  Yeah, I'm, I'm like at that point myself as well.
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  I'm like going back on my skinny jab and I'm like, yeah, I can't
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  do this anymore. I'm just like, fucking gross.
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  Anyway, so why do we go on to Yeah, so we were just basically
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  talking about how little this guy.
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  So this kid was like 5 years old and fucking bizarre watching
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  this little kid do all of this housework.
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  And that's in a regular sized fucking house.
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  Like if you're in a fucking mansion doing housework, a
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  Chateau is. That what it is, Chateau.
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  That's what I'm thinking, but I don't that's that's strange, but
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  not the. Germans is probably.
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  Something like, you know, Kringlehausen.
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  Yeah, it's going. To be something fucking.
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  Mental so eventually. Then Ironman's father just
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  picked up and left, no explanation, nothing, and he
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  never saw him again. So not only did his siblings
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  leave, so did his dad. So I can't really imagine what's
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  that that's going to do to a kid, like to just be left there
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  with his abusive mother like this.
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  Dad like he's a cop. He buys a castle and then just
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  abandons his family in a castle in a castle.
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  Yeah, I'd like to see the place that he moved to like like one
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  bedroom. Apartment.
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  Oh, probably. 100%. Yeah.
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  Like a granny flat, Yeah. But.
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  Apparently like his mother was like abusive towards the father
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  by times like so she was just a horrible conflict.
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  So, like, he probably would rather live under a bridge than
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  his mansion as long as he was away from her.
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  So like, you can imagine, like, like he could go and live in any
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  of the other rooms. Like if there's like 36 or
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  whatever, I, I heard there could have been upwards of 40 rooms.
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  Yeah. If you've got someone who's
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  overbearing like that, she's just going to follow you around.
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  Like from what you hear, the way she like, treats Armin after
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  everybody leaves that like she must be like the most
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  overbearing woman. The Edguine vibes are like Oh
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  yeah. Yeah.
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  It's one of those traits that happens with people that end up
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  like, again, like, I'm not going to put Armin in the same kind of
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  a board as a lot of like serial killers and stuff like that
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  because he doesn't seem to be like, have much malice, no.
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  She obviously. Fucked him up so much like, and
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  it happens to a lot of these people that we end up talking,
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  well, that Danny ends up fucking talking about is that they've
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  had really fucked up relationships with their
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  mothers. Yeah, that.
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  Usually is the kind of the the key factor here in a lot of
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  serial killers that we do talk about and a lot of just like
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  bad, bad men. So anyway, life goes on and to
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  keep himself busy, Arman would read.
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  He started reading Robinson Crusoe and I guess just to keep
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  all of it simple, umm, there's a whole part about cannibalism in
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  this book, man. Friday.
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  I've never read it. Robin Crusoe.
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  Saves man Friday from the cannibals or S It's yeah, and
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  it's it's. One of those things where
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  there's like a bunch of like savages, which is just like, you
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  know, there were indigenous people on an island and they
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  were portrayed as uh, like savages who eat each other and
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  eat like, you know, the people who visit and stuff.
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  So, you know, probably like an argument can be made.
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  It's like one of those horrible racist tropes.
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  It's colonial. Propaganda.
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  Perfection. You know that's exactly what it
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  is. It's like we we have.
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  To like call, just calling them savages is enough to get like to
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  get people on your side. Yeah, yeah.
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  And it's like cannibalism is very much presented as like
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  this, this like savage thing that like, you know, uninvolved,
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  you know? Uncivilized.
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  Backwards people do, and Arman reads it, and it's just like,
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  oh, this is nice, Yeah. You can only do the camp.
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  On. Yeah, exactly.
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  There's, there's I, it's, it's funny because like some of the
• 19:43
  most evil people in the world have come from like Germany and
• 19:48
  Austria, every time you do those accents, they all come out as
• 19:51
  soul camp. The, the other, the the other
• 19:55
  side. What is not just like my fear.
• 20:01
  Welcome to Venice. He's not only reading Robinson
• 20:07
  Crusoe, he's also when he was a kid, he used to read like, the
• 20:14
  Brothers Grimm and fairy tales like that.
• 20:16
  And we all know that, like we did, We've talked about this,
• 20:19
  like, yeah. So like, like these, these fairy
• 20:24
  tales aren't always like the the Disneyfication of these fairy
• 20:30
  tales means they're all kind of sweet and there's happy endings
• 20:33
  to all these things. What the actual fairy tales, and
• 20:35
  especially in Germany and they're like that kind of area
• 20:39
  in Europe, all these stories are fucked up.
• 20:43
  And the one that he seemed to kind of obsess about, as well as
• 20:47
  Hansel and Gretel, which is a like most people, after hearing
• 20:52
  that story, they're like, oh, I'd love a, I'd love a candy
• 20:55
  house. I'd eat it so much.
• 20:57
  And he was really being like, oh, I'd love some.
• 20:59
  I love a couple of kids to wander into my house.
• 21:01
  I'd eat it so much. Eat a person.
• 21:03
  Yeah, that's apparently as well. He was also obsessed with
• 21:07
  Flipper but I don't know if that has any cannibal cannibalism in
• 21:12
  Flipper unless it's like what's? The What's that Dolphins name,
• 21:15
  Gerald. Gerald.
• 21:16
  Gerald that everyone's talking about now.
• 21:17
  Gerald. Gerald.
• 21:18
  The dolphin, yeah, he's probably cannibal.
• 21:20
  He's in a few dolphins there. Yeah, there's Dolphins are.
• 21:22
  Real pricks, so most likely I saw.
• 21:26
  I think so like that came up on TikTok and it's like, here's the
• 21:29
  reasons why I believe that the underwater slave camp run by
• 21:33
  dolphins is real. And it was just like, dolphins
• 21:36
  are so intelligent that XY and Z and it's like, all right, I
• 21:39
  don't like, I don't see why there's people genuinely
• 21:42
  believing this, but apparently. The second most intelligent
• 21:45
  animal on the planet if you go by EQ, which is brain size
• 21:51
  relative to body size. So like they've got like the
• 21:54
  largest brain relative to body size except for us.
• 21:58
  And then herd is like chimps and pigs are actually really
• 22:01
  intelligent as well. Pigs are crazy.
• 22:03
  Smart and delicious. Dolphins.
• 22:06
  Are quite intelligent, but are they stealing people off the
• 22:11
  beach and making them build under underwater cities?
• 22:15
  You know at this. Stage maybe?
• 22:18
  Maybe they should like. Yeah.
• 22:21
  I mean, I'm not opposed to it. I'm just like you go girl, it's
• 22:24
  good if this is. One of those things that The
• 22:26
  Simpsons actually predicted is they did, yeah.
• 22:29
  They did. I forgot a very.
• 22:34
  Thought, yeah, so life goes on. Arman Reed, Robinson Crusoe,
• 22:40
  There's a part all about cannibalism.
• 22:42
  And he found himself being just fixated on eating another
• 22:45
  person. And he would kind of obsess over
• 22:48
  that. And he was 10 at the time, so
• 22:49
  he'd been kind of like into the whole cannibalism thing for a
• 22:53
  fucking a long time. But this is kind of where it
• 22:56
  started for him. This is the introduction.
• 22:58
  Time goes on. And then at 19 years old, Airman
• 23:00
  left home and he joined the West German Army.
• 23:04
  He spent 12 years in the armed forces.
• 23:06
  During this period when he was in the army, he didn't actually
• 23:09
  leave home. Though he worked in the army and
• 23:12
  when everyone else stayed on the base, this is how he's swinging
• 23:16
  out of the apron strings. Still, he travelled home every
• 23:19
  day. He still went back.
• 23:20
  To the castle, Yeah, he still went.
• 23:22
  Home to the castle every day and I would do though like they.
• 23:25
  Did a mansion, Yeah, but not. If you're fucking mother is
• 23:27
  waiting for you with the fucking sweeping brush as you're walking
• 23:30
  in the fucking door like it's it's chronic what he had to put
• 23:33
  up with. Yeah, I'm, by the way, right now
• 23:36
  you're hearing this. I'm Team Armand, by the way.
• 23:39
  Yeah, I'm, I'm always. Team Armand I love Armand.
• 23:42
  When he was in the Army, he developed friendships as women,
• 23:44
  but it never really went anywhere and he started
• 23:47
  questioning his sexuality and would ask his friend like, hey,
• 23:49
  do you think I'm gay? You think I'm gay?
• 23:52
  Do you think I'm gay? Do you think he was just.
• 23:56
  Like, hey, so I'd really like to eat a man.
• 23:58
  Is that gay? I've got to eat, pretty much.
• 24:04
  And his friend would say, so his friend actually did interviews
• 24:07
  and his friend said that he told him that's something that you
• 24:10
  need to know. I can't tell you that.
• 24:12
  And like everyone kind of like knew that he was gay.
• 24:16
  And Arman was was like the last to know.
• 24:19
  I guess Germany has always been. Fairly progressive in the kind
• 24:22
  of sexual awake. Yeah, yeah.
• 24:24
  Like so like, yeah, and this. Was the 90s as well, so exactly
• 24:28
  like so. People are people are looking at
• 24:29
  this and being like, yeah, if you're gay, you're gay.
• 24:32
  Just fucking just his mother, yeah, was so overbearing.
• 24:37
  She was so she was overbearing in a way that like she didn't
• 24:41
  want him to have a girlfriend, even to a point where like she
• 24:46
  she said, I will approve of a date if I can go to.
• 24:50
  So like she went on dates with him and got yes, yes, so, so if
• 24:54
  he brought a girl on date, she'd sit in the she'd sit in the back
• 24:58
  seat of the car. Me as.
• 25:02
  Fuck, is it OK if? We kiss now, Mazel.
• 25:04
  Oh my God. But yes, so this is this is the
• 25:07
  problem. But she also, she was she was
• 25:10
  really all like. And when I say old fashioned, I
• 25:12
  mean like medieval if you're going to live in.
• 25:15
  A castle, you know? Yeah, this.
• 25:17
  Is probably why she was she was into it but like she dressed him
• 25:21
  up in like Bavarian later Hosen like traditional later Hosen in
• 25:26
  the 90s like and into his into his teenage years he was wearing
• 25:31
  later Hosen so so he just. Severely bullied in school?
• 25:36
  Well. The point about it was that he
• 25:39
  wasn't all that like people seeing him as like he was an OK
• 25:45
  kid. Like everyone kind of thought he
• 25:46
  was really well mannered, he was really nice.
• 25:48
  And the town that they lived in used to have like big barbecues
• 25:52
  every weekend. And uh, yeah, this is, this
• 25:55
  isn't the meat I want, but they used to have big barbecues every
• 25:58
  weekend or not every weekend, but like once a month or
• 26:00
  whatever. And she'd always be in there
• 26:03
  complaining that I was too loud. She wants to go home.
• 26:06
  This is, you know, everybody should break it off because
• 26:09
  like, it's, it's uncouth. Everybody's getting drunk and
• 26:11
  everyone was like. 1. What they actually really liked,
• 26:15
  they liked Ironman because like he used to, he was quiet, but he
• 26:18
  used to help people out. So he wasn't just doing over in
• 26:21
  his own house. He was just being a.
• 26:22
  Kid like yeah, nobody has. Like said anything weird about
• 26:27
  him or like that he everyone was like he.
• 26:29
  Was cool. He was cool and like I get I get
• 26:32
  this with a lot of them. The serial killers that that was
• 26:35
  like a mask that they were wearing that that, that that was
• 26:39
  like the parts of the. Community yeah, yeah, when I'm.
• 26:42
  And I don't think that's the case.
• 26:44
  He was now just, he was just and like a kind of a a nice guy who
• 26:50
  was kind of downtrodden by his mother into some.
• 26:53
  Fucking weird things in the fucked.
• 26:55
  Up stuff, but like, we don't kink shame here, you know?
• 27:00
  We. Listen, and we don't judge.
• 27:02
  Listen, that we don't judge. But anyway so time goes on and
• 27:08
  he starts drinking heavily. He ended up getting in two car
• 27:11
  accidents and both of them were because he was driving
• 27:14
  intoxicated and he ended up getting kicked out of the army.
• 27:17
  So he is back home full time then with his mom, and at this
• 27:21
  point he's now 32. She's I'll thankfully, and she
• 27:25
  can't do much for herself any longer.
• 27:28
  Which which? What did she ever do for herself
• 27:30
  to begin with? Let's be real, she was a
• 27:32
  horrible fucking Sarah Krait cunt, right?
• 27:34
  That's how you really. Feel.
• 27:35
  Yeah. Are you just?
• 27:37
  A bit. Of casual racism as well there
• 27:40
  yeah, fucking crowd. Are you?
• 27:42
  Are you an American soldier from the 1940s?
• 27:45
  Don't stand for racism, Danny. I will not have it.
• 27:48
  Not against whites, right? Goddamn.
• 27:52
  Crowds, she is a fucking. Crowd a nice I met.
• 27:56
  I said it in the way that, uh, baby Billy calls their nanny
• 28:00
  their big, huge German nanny and he thinks that she can't
• 28:03
  understand them, but she speaks fluent English and she just
• 28:05
  doesn't speak to him. He's like, well, I don't know.
• 28:09
  What the fuck the crowds talking about, she's like, she stood
• 28:12
  there all proud just like not even acknowledging him.
• 28:14
  But anyway, that's how I say it. So she's sick.
• 28:17
  Anyway, he goes back home, basically takes care of her full
• 28:20
  time because there was plenty of fucking room in the the massive
• 28:23
  mansion. He decided then to go on a
• 28:25
  different career path and he ended up becoming a computer
• 28:28
  engineer. And I think he worked out like a
• 28:30
  bank when he was, I don't know if it was Deutsche Bank who
• 28:33
  financed the Nazis, by the way. Financed.
• 28:35
  Nazis, yeah, but when he was in the army he was like, he built
• 28:38
  Auschwitz. Really.
• 28:39
  Yeah, Deutsche Bank Auschwitz and I learned that from machines
• 28:42
  wife. I work for a German.
• 28:46
  Company who while they were explaining, they like they do a
• 28:50
  whole, they do a whole history of they do a whole history of
• 28:54
  how this happened, like how, how it comes about and is like, and
• 28:59
  the two brothers ended up getting the company.
• 29:01
  I was like, hold on, wait a minute, wait a minute.
• 29:02
  You you done a lot of explaining from the early century, but
• 29:07
  somewhere around the 30s and 40s you didn't mention in the 19.
• 29:11
  30s nothing happened. Everyone is on holiday slide.
• 29:15
  Missing, yeah. Well.
• 29:18
  Yeah, I was sorry. I was just going to say, like
• 29:20
  when he was in the the Army, he was like, he was also like a
• 29:25
  clerical officer while he was in the Army and he was in charge of
• 29:28
  people getting their their holidays and paychecks and stuff
• 29:32
  like that. And everybody who was in there
• 29:34
  was like, he was the, he was the model worker as well.
• 29:37
  And he like if you ever asked for holiday, he always made sure
• 29:41
  you could get holidays and stuff up.
• 29:42
  So people taught the sunshine out of his arse.
• 29:45
  Like they really liked admin. I love that admin.
• 29:53
  I love it. So then the 90s.
• 29:55
  Come around uh, Ironman got introduced to the World Wide
• 29:58
  Web, umm, back in the good old days, back when the Internet
• 30:01
  Internet Internet first started. First of all, websites were
• 30:04
  super janky. Umm, but also the Internet
• 30:07
  wasn't really like monitored or policed that well.
• 30:10
  So pretty much put anything and anything up there basically, if
• 30:14
  you know what I mean. So on the.
• 30:15
  Dark Web Now was just out in the open back then.
• 30:19
  Oh yeah. Yeah.
• 30:20
  Like do you remember like rotten.com and
• 30:21
  steakandcheese.com? I was just going to say.
• 30:24
  Rotten.com is where like, you know, you go to
• 30:26
  celebritymarket.com and you get to see 2 pack really full of
• 30:29
  bullets, yeah. So Airman is right, spoke around
• 30:32
  on the Internet and he's kind of just, he's typing in whatever it
• 30:35
  came across a community of cannibals, specifically a forum
• 30:38
  where cannibals would come together and talk about their
• 30:41
  fantasies of eating people and being eaten.
• 30:44
  So when Arman saw this, he was like, hell yeah, there's other
• 30:47
  people out there like me. He ended up building his own
• 30:49
  website where he would openly talk about cannibalism, and he
• 30:53
  would also create fake images. So basically, like catfishing
• 30:57
  before catfishing was a thing, but with dead bodies.
• 31:01
  And there was this website that he would visit.
• 31:03
  It was called Cannibal Cafe. And naturally when I read that,
• 31:06
  I was like friend of the show. Yeah, I was like.
• 31:10
  Cannibal Cafe, It's just a forum basically where people post
• 31:13
  about their their fantasies and eating your flesh and just,
• 31:16
  well, you know, like I can't wait to murder this girl and eat
• 31:19
  her basically. And like what you're saying?
• 31:22
  About like the dark web, like nowadays, like, you know, you
• 31:24
  have to have like a fucking hidden browser.
• 31:26
  You have to have the couple of VPNs.
• 31:28
  And you have to like, you know, use.
• 31:29
  Code words. And back then they were just
• 31:31
  like Cannibal Cafe where you come to eat a dude.
• 31:35
  Like fucking get in. Www.thisis.
• 31:39
  Illegal.com. You can still.
• 31:42
  Find these websites and they're not like actively up, but
• 31:45
  there's like apps and stuff you can use.
• 31:47
  I think it's like way back or oh the way back machine.
• 31:51
  Yeah. Yeah, Way back Machine or
• 31:53
  whatever it's called. And you can find it like, I
• 31:55
  think that all of his posts on it were deleted, obviously after
• 31:58
  shit went down. But the actual website is still,
• 32:01
  you can still find it on that on that website.
• 32:05
  So Aaron then, being the crafty little bitch that he is, he
• 32:08
  would go down to a butcher's. He would buy some meat and like
• 32:11
  shape it and sculpt it to make it look like they were body
• 32:13
  parts. He'd take photos.
• 32:15
  And then he would post these on these websites and yeah, making
• 32:20
  it look like he really did kill somebody.
• 32:22
  And he would brag about how he cooked them and ate them and all
• 32:25
  that good stuff. And people were believing it
• 32:27
  because it's like, it's the 90s. You don't really kind of
• 32:30
  question too much like the. The cannibalism version of like
• 32:35
  putting loads of filters. Basically, yeah.
• 32:37
  Photoshopping. So that you get.
• 32:39
  So like all the lines behind you in your folder are all bendy.
• 32:42
  Yeah, yeah, fat ass and. Big tits even.
• 32:46
  If people didn't believe it, they were all like, most of the
• 32:49
  people that are on these sites were kind of, you know, they
• 32:52
  were cosplaying as cannibals, like, so.
• 32:53
  So it was all fantasy. So even if, like, you were
• 32:56
  looking at that, they were kind of suspending their belief so
• 32:59
  that they could. Oh yeah.
• 33:01
  Get into the mind. Of this kind of stuff as well.
• 33:03
  So even if people didn't believe it, they were.
• 33:05
  It's role-playing. Yes, so they.
• 33:07
  Were feeding into the fantasy of of Armin as well but like
• 33:10
  obviously we'll find out that like he couldn't just he
• 33:13
  couldn't just live with the fantasy like that he really
• 33:15
  needed to like fulfill yeah it's.
• 33:17
  Umm. It's exactly what porn is
• 33:19
  because it's like a representation of sex.
• 33:22
  Yeah, but not like, you know, realistic.
• 33:24
  And everyone watches it because it represents something rather
• 33:28
  than is something real. Don't say that to just.
• 33:30
  He's going to have his. Inspired Oh shit fucking I've
• 33:35
  ruined my I've wasted my life. I'm going to sleep.
• 33:38
  Well, tonight. So yeah, basically with all of
• 33:45
  this, then in his posting and in these forums and his fake
• 33:49
  photos, he kind of became like a little bit Internet famous, I
• 33:52
  guess. He was like a cannibal
• 33:54
  influencer you could say. So 2nd of September in 1999
• 33:57
  rolls around, Armand comes home from work.
• 33:59
  He goes up to his mom's bedroom and he finds his mom dead in
• 34:03
  bed. Now most of us would be really
• 34:05
  sad but Armand was like finally he was finally free from this
• 34:09
  fucking cunt control and abuse and he felt like he could
• 34:13
  finally like deep dive into his fantasy of eating people.
• 34:17
  His mom didn't know what she was doing but like with her not
• 34:20
  there, he decided, I'm going to turn one of these fucking 59
• 34:24
  rooms into my dungeon. This.
• 34:27
  Place is getting bigger. Yeah, like, well.
• 34:29
  Whatever, exaggerating, but yeah, he decided to make one of
• 34:33
  these rooms into his torture room, and so he had technically
• 34:37
  not a. Torture room nor damn because
• 34:40
  he. Wanted it to be consensual, so
• 34:41
  like, it wasn't going to be torture.
• 34:43
  Yeah, he. Just wanted to butcher.
• 34:44
  Someone he didn't want to, like, make him suffer, Yeah.
• 34:47
  Nice guy. I love him, I think.
• 34:49
  He like, are we all going to do it?
• 34:51
  So he, yeah, he decided he was going to turn one of them into
• 34:54
  like a dungeon cannibal room, I guess.
• 34:56
  And that's where he was going to, like, take all of his
• 34:58
  pictures and videos of, of everything that was happening.
• 35:01
  So two months after his mom was gone, Armin decided to post on
• 35:05
  the Cannibal Cafe website asking for a volunteer.
• 35:08
  Now, this is really, really big for Irman.
• 35:10
  So a lot of people on the website would post like role
• 35:13
  play, umm, and they would basically role play where they
• 35:18
  wanted someone to just kind of play along with the idea of
• 35:20
  being eaten. But Irman was actually looking
• 35:23
  for a volunteer, someone who wanted to die, and he wanted to
• 35:26
  do it like he asked if he could do it like that was nice and
• 35:30
  like for for. Him like it wasn't.
• 35:32
  It wasn't about like the murder. It wasn't about killing someone
• 35:35
  like no who did not. Want to murder someone like?
• 35:38
  It's so funny. Like for him, it's like it's a
• 35:40
  consensual thing. He's like, oh, no, like I'm not.
• 35:42
  I'm not going to kill you. Like I'm just going to eat you.
• 35:45
  Yeah. And for him it was.
• 35:46
  Yeah. It was such a different, like he
• 35:49
  separated the two things completely.
• 35:51
  Yes. Yeah, the way he.
• 35:53
  Explains it is right. So he's got a big time
• 35:56
  abandonment issues from when his father left them, but also like
• 36:00
  his like his brothers went to live with their original dad.
• 36:03
  If he had friends, the only home around with him for so long
• 36:08
  before they left as well because the mother was overbearing.
• 36:11
  So he was having some real issues.
• 36:13
  He had a friend who he's the guy that he always thinks about when
• 36:18
  he's when he's thought thinking about eating somebody.
• 36:21
  He has a he had a childhood friend who kind of just left
• 36:24
  them because he didn't hang around with him anymore because
• 36:26
  his mother was a fucking psychopath.
• 36:28
  So when when he thinks about eating somebody, he was thinking
• 36:32
  about this friend, he was he always like a fantasize about
• 36:36
  eating that friend. But it was because if he
• 36:39
  consumes the person, then they're with him forever.
• 36:43
  That's what in his in his mind is how he explained and.
• 36:46
  Interviews. Oh my God, So it's so consuming
• 36:49
  people to him isn't about, oh, I love tasty meat.
• 36:53
  I want to pretend I'm a wolf or whatever it is that some people
• 36:56
  do it for. For him, he actually had like a
• 37:00
  psychological kind of issue where he thinks that if he
• 37:04
  consumed that person, they can now never leave him.
• 37:07
  They'll be part of him forever. And obviously that guy never
• 37:11
  took a shit because that's food. Food leaves you, buddy.
• 37:15
  And with me, normally it leaves me in a very dark paste that
• 37:18
  hurts my ass. So like, Armin, come on.
• 37:23
  Come on buddy. Come on buddy.
• 37:26
  He. Hit a couple of these cannibal
• 37:27
  websites and he would post in German and in English.
• 37:31
  One of them said I'm in search for a young boy between 18 and
• 37:34
  30 years old. If you have a normal build body
• 37:37
  and you're willing to die then come to me.
• 37:40
  I am butchering you to eat your horny flesh hot.
• 37:44
  Eat your horny flesh like it's like eat your.
• 37:46
  Horny because like sometimes it seems.
• 37:48
  Like, it's just this desire to eat human meat.
• 37:51
  And then when he says stuff like this, like it is such a, a
• 37:54
  sexual thing. Oh, yeah.
• 37:56
  I don't know if that's I. Mean, I don't know if that's
• 37:58
  like translation, yeah. Yeah.
• 38:01
  He's gay. He has very.
• 38:02
  Bad English at this point. And his English does get better
• 38:06
  and and I have a theory on that one as well.
• 38:08
  But when he talks about it, he never wants to eat a woman.
• 38:11
  Now he's, he says he's attracted to women.
• 38:14
  Well, this particular fantasy, because again, it comes back to
• 38:18
  his friend, Yeah, who he, who he fantasies about forever, eh,
• 38:24
  that's what this all kind of leads back to.
• 38:26
  So he only ever thinks about men when he's eaten.
• 38:30
  Well, he also has a lot of eh, sexual, eh, gratification built
• 38:36
  into this as well. Yeah, after, eh, it wasn't
• 38:41
  there. Like again, I'm not saying it
• 38:43
  wasn't there, but when he got onto the Internet or what the
• 38:47
  the Internet was at the start and he started downloading
• 38:50
  stuff, then he started registering because they got a
• 38:53
  lot of that stuff that would be snuff or, you know, a most
• 38:58
  people's cannibal fantasies would have been around sexual
• 39:02
  stuff as well. So that kind of peaked him and
• 39:04
  it really kind of started arousing him.
• 39:06
  So it kind of kind of evolved from when he was younger just
• 39:09
  wanting to E people to like, going through adolescence and
• 39:12
  wanting to ride and E people. Yeah, yeah.
• 39:14
  So he was. Looking for somebody who was
• 39:16
  willing to die. Umm, something that Armin again
• 39:19
  did really stand by is that he didn't want someone who was not
• 39:21
  willing. He wanted this person to
• 39:23
  willingly participate. And he made that very clear from
• 39:26
  the get go. Umm And surprisingly then he
• 39:28
  gets, he gets a lot of responses.
• 39:31
  A lot of people are writing them back and then last minute they
• 39:34
  would back out. But eventually Armin had one guy
• 39:37
  come forward and say like, yeah, I'll do it.
• 39:40
  So this man then I I didn't get this guy's name but burnt.
• 39:44
  No. He's the actual guy.
• 39:46
  This, Oh, this is the first guy. Sorry.
• 39:48
  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry,
• 39:50
  sorry, sorry. Is it actually Hans?
• 39:51
  Or you were just throwing out. I'm just throwing.
• 39:54
  Out German name, throwing out German name.
• 39:55
  His name is Hans. Gruber, I actually.
• 39:57
  Think this guy wasn't German, was it?
• 39:59
  I think there might be an Italian guy open the mix here.
• 40:02
  Maybe it's this guy. I didn't get his name, but umm,
• 40:04
  he, he comes forward, they start emailing back and forth and then
• 40:08
  this man seems like really interested saying like, oh, it's
• 40:10
  my fantasy to be eaten. So Armin writes back, let's meet
• 40:14
  here at my house and we'll go through with it.
• 40:16
  So this man comes over to Airman's mansion.
• 40:18
  He's in this fucking huge, creaky mansion by himself,
• 40:20
  remember? And the man comes over, lays out
• 40:23
  on the table, and Ironman is telling him, play by play,
• 40:25
  what's going to happen. And then the man tells Airman
• 40:28
  that he's not feeling well and that he really didn't want to do
• 40:30
  this. He didn't want to go through it.
• 40:32
  And Ironman says, like, OK, yeah, that's absolutely fine.
• 40:35
  And he lets the man get up and walk out and go home again,
• 40:38
  because he didn't want to fucking kill somebody.
• 40:40
  He wanted someone, like, willing.
• 40:42
  And that like it wasn't his fantasy to kill somebody.
• 40:45
  Which side note, that guy is fucking lucky that Ironman
• 40:47
  wasn't fully fucking crazy. Like you know, wanting to
• 40:51
  fucking kill any. So like this guy just had this?
• 40:53
  Like, you know, like a sexual fantasy around the role play
• 40:58
  role. Like the role play of
• 40:59
  cannibalism, the role play of like, BDSM, like, you know, oh,
• 41:03
  you know, like this is really risky.
• 41:05
  And, you know, like, he probably just thought it was going to be
• 41:07
  like a very intense, like, BDSM session.
• 41:08
  Yeah. And then he turns up and first
• 41:10
  of all, it's a fucking castle. And then second of all, there's
• 41:13
  this guy going. So yeah, I'm going to, I'm going
• 41:16
  to kill you once you consent to that.
• 41:18
  And then I'm going to eat you and I'm going to cut you up and
• 41:21
  you're going to be in my fridge for a while.
• 41:23
  And then the guy is just like, yeah.
• 41:25
  Oh, no, I I just want to blow you.
• 41:27
  Like, I like, yeah. Like beat me with a stick
• 41:30
  please. I think that's why it's
• 41:32
  important to like kind of layout, like why why we have the
• 41:37
  things like safe words and and like the the talk around consent
• 41:41
  and stuff because these guys were were and it's probably is
• 41:44
  the risk that was really like peaking them.
• 41:47
  Like, yeah, imagine showing up to that, thinking that it was
• 41:50
  role play and then you get butchered up.
• 41:52
  That's that's going to be a fucking issue.
• 41:54
  And then like. They all.
• 41:56
  Issue and Armand was. Just like, oh, you don't
• 41:58
  consent. Oh, well, then let's not do
• 42:00
  this. And and it was just like for
• 42:02
  him, it was just like, oh, that's cool, no problem.
• 42:04
  Like this is not what we agreed. That's that's cool.
• 42:07
  Like it's. It's.
• 42:09
  Like, so respectful, despite the fact that, like, you know, there
• 42:11
  is something wrong with this man's brain.
• 42:14
  Absolutely. But like at no point would he
• 42:16
  ever force anything. And that's like that's I think
• 42:19
  what the crazy thing is about it like is that it's just like, he
• 42:22
  just seemed like a fucking genuine nice man.
• 42:26
  And this seemed to be the only thing that's wrong with him is
• 42:29
  that he wanted to fucking eat somebody.
• 42:31
  Like it's just kind of like it's it's wild to me.
• 42:35
  But anyway, Irwin was like a little bummed, obviously, that
• 42:38
  this didn't work out, but what did the bomb?
• 42:42
  I thought he just left. He ended up paper macheing a
• 42:48
  body, umm, painted it, made it look like a person and then took
• 42:52
  photos of it. He also got a mannequin from the
• 42:54
  store, which this is the only thing that I think that he might
• 42:56
  be a bit fucking crazy for because like I'm terrified of
• 42:59
  mannequins. Anyone who gets mannequins, I'm
• 43:01
  just like or keeps mannequins. It's really fucking weird.
• 43:04
  Like I don't know if you guys have watched the documentary
• 43:06
  can. Explain it to us.
• 43:07
  No, if you watch. The doc thank you.
• 43:09
  The documentary on Netflix call like the Fox Hollow murders.
• 43:13
  No, it's on Disney Fox Hollow Murders, and this guy is
• 43:17
  obsessed with mannequins and he just has hundreds of mannequins
• 43:21
  placed all around his house and it's fucking terrifying because.
• 43:25
  Like the? Police storm in to like,
• 43:26
  obviously get him because he's done a bunch of murders, and
• 43:28
  then they have to walk through a dark house full of fucking
• 43:30
  mannequins. Oh, he's done a bunch.
• 43:32
  Of murders, Andy I just thought like there was a Home Alone
• 43:34
  situation going on here where he was just having a party and all
• 43:37
  night, boy, I didn't know he was a murderer.
• 43:40
  Just had a bunch of fucking mannequins all around his house
• 43:43
  and there's like a pool area and all the mannequins are
• 43:44
  stuttering in the pool and it's just like fucking.
• 43:47
  Anyway, he painted that and made it look like a dead body and
• 43:51
  he'd take pictures of it posted into these kind of websites and
• 43:54
  made it look like he did kill someone and ate them.
• 43:56
  And I mean, the Internet just fucking went crazy over him.
• 43:59
  They're like you're a hero and they were idolizing him and the
• 44:03
  fact that he was like killing and eating people arm and then
• 44:06
  he was still determined to find somebody who was willing to die,
• 44:09
  right? And he prepared one of the extra
• 44:11
  rooms in the house to be a slaughter room.
• 44:13
  This slaughter room had no windows.
• 44:15
  He had a cage to hold his I guess victims, quote UN quote
• 44:19
  victims. And then he had meat huts
• 44:21
  hanging from the ceiling. Finally, he gets a response from
• 44:24
  someone who is willing to be eaten.
• 44:26
  So Bernard Brandez, is it Brandez or bronze?
• 44:29
  It's probably it's Bernard. Brandez.
• 44:31
  Brandez, I said. Brandez.
• 44:34
  Maybe it is Brandez. I said.
• 44:35
  Brandez. The The funny thing is here
• 44:38
  right? His father and this guy have the
• 44:43
  same 1st and middle name. It's.
• 44:45
  Just such a like perfect little. It's a weird kind.
• 44:48
  Of a It's a weird coincidence, but let's see what the Yeah,
• 44:54
  burnt Jurgen so that his father is burnt Jurgen Mayvez and this
• 45:00
  guy is burnt Jurgen branded father.
• 45:02
  Mazza. Is dead and I get to eat my
• 45:04
  father. Yeah.
• 45:05
  So I can that's. Very good.
• 45:07
  That's really good actor. I'm just gonna call him Burnt
• 45:10
  then. So he will be.
• 45:12
  Who? Was actually married but he came
• 45:15
  out to his wife as being curious that he wanted to experiment
• 45:18
  with men but they ended up separating because it caused a
• 45:21
  lot of tension in the relationship.
• 45:22
  And then he later came out as like full blown gay.
• 45:25
  So Brent was on these cannibal websites as well.
• 45:28
  And he writes Arman volunteers himself to be eaten.
• 45:31
  They e-mail each other back and forth and Arman discusses with
• 45:34
  Burnt the best way to be consumed and what he plans on
• 45:37
  doing with his body. Brent actually throws out a lot
• 45:40
  of his ideas as well. So he wanted his skull to be
• 45:43
  used as an ashtray and then he also expressed to arm and that
• 45:47
  he wanted his penis to be cut off and for both of them to eat
• 45:51
  it together. We'll we'll get to this in a
• 45:54
  second, right? This is where I fucking We'll
• 45:56
  get to this. So Brent said that this was a
• 45:59
  huge fantasy of his to, you know, just a separate fantasy
• 46:04
  apart from being eaten was to just chop off his his Dick, see
• 46:07
  his his. Fantasy wasn't actually about
• 46:09
  being eaten at all. His fantasy was about having
• 46:12
  his. The number.
• 46:15
  One thing is he wants his, his, his genitals removed.
• 46:18
  Well, he, he wants his cock bitten off and well, this is,
• 46:22
  This is why he's, uh, his biggest fantasy again, when he
• 46:27
  comes out as gay, his family disown him, like his father
• 46:31
  stops talking to him. Everybody is on them.
• 46:33
  So he's got a load of kind of depression built around this.
• 46:39
  What's after happening around it?
• 46:40
  Yeah, yeah. So he's, he's completely
• 46:43
  ashamed, but he's ashamed of himself sexually as well.
• 46:46
  So the way he described that and the guys talked for a long time,
• 46:49
  like they talked for months online and also when they
• 46:54
  actually got together, which we'll, we'll talk about.
• 46:56
  Well, like he discussed and told eh fucking arm and he told him
• 47:04
  eh everything like how he's ashamed of his own sexuality and
• 47:06
  how he's, you know, like bad. Now he gets, he gets so horny
• 47:10
  thinking about getting his, his eh cock chopped off.
• 47:14
  Well, what he what he really wants is to disappear.
• 47:17
  That's his. So like if he gets eaten and
• 47:21
  consumed by Armin, then at least he's disappearing.
• 47:25
  So he he actually asked, he he requested that even his bones
• 47:28
  get ground into powder and that he gets absolute.
• 47:32
  So he wants to disappear from the world completely.
• 47:35
  So he's he's dealing with a serious amount of depression.
• 47:38
  He's in like he's in a relationship which his his
• 47:43
  boyfriend Renee had no idea that he had any of these kind of
• 47:48
  weird fantasies or he was even with like the depression as
• 47:52
  severe as it was, he never heard about any of this.
• 47:55
  So, so burnt is like dealing with a lot of demons himself.
• 48:00
  So like again, when we kind of say that Armin is the king of
• 48:04
  consent and that like it's great he asked for consent.
• 48:06
  And so he is getting consent of somebody here who is very, very.
• 48:11
  Unwell, yeah, yeah. So it's.
• 48:13
  Kind of like should he be feeding into that?
• 48:16
  But also he wants to fulfill his fantasy?
• 48:18
  Yeah, sorry again, I'm probably over explaining things but.
• 48:23
  So Arman then as crazy as it sounds in interviews he said
• 48:27
  that he didn't want to be disrespectful or not do anything
• 48:30
  that wasn't of the volunteers wishes.
• 48:33
  So if a volunteer wanted to be eaten in a certain way he would
• 48:37
  make sure to do that and the volunteer for the for the
• 48:39
  volunteer because he didn't want to be disrespectful at all.
• 48:43
  So March 9th 2001 Burnt who has been communicating with Aaron
• 48:48
  for a while now finally goes to Aaron's place.
• 48:52
  Once Burnt gets there, they have sexual relations.
• 48:55
  Sexual relations. So formal.
• 48:58
  Oh. My God, these.
• 48:59
  Guys are gay relations in the. Diesel.
• 49:04
  My God, these these cannibals are gay, Harmon gives.
• 49:09
  Burnt a bunch of sleeping pills and alcohol and the reason for
• 49:12
  this is because he doesn't want burnt to be in any pain and he
• 49:16
  thinks that this will help with the pain.
• 49:17
  So takes the pills and alcohol and everything.
• 49:21
  He does this willingly. So he's not like in a gacy
• 49:23
  situation where he's slipping them into his drinks or his food
• 49:26
  or whatever. He's like take these because I
• 49:28
  don't want you to be any pain when we do this.
• 49:29
  So he like, are you? Comfortable with me doing this?
• 49:32
  Yeah, yeah. Are you feeling good?
• 49:35
  Are you feeling tired? I'm tired.
• 49:38
  He gives him a lot of cough medicine first.
• 49:41
  Yeah, so like to. Take kind of take, just take the
• 49:44
  edge off. But then I think like there's a
• 49:49
  lot of like second thoughts going on here between between
• 49:52
  the two of them. So the end up like going again
• 49:55
  the the sleeping pills and alcohol is kind of you think
• 49:58
  they're just like. Oh my God, I was really doing
• 50:01
  this. Is this really happening?
• 50:07
  Yeah. Why am I turned?
• 50:13
  Off. Anyway, um, where was I going
• 50:17
  with this? Burn takes the sleeping.
• 50:18
  Pills burn, takes the sleeping. Pills, yeah.
• 50:21
  Then Erman tells Burnt ahead of time that he's going to film the
• 50:25
  process, uh, so he can watch it over and over again and get that
• 50:29
  sixth real that he's looking to get and like, probably take his
• 50:32
  pants off to it or whatever. Umm.
• 50:35
  So Arman sets up a video camera. The Brent lays down on the
• 50:38
  table. Arman decides we're going to
• 50:40
  start with your penis first. We're going to chop off your
• 50:42
  penis and then we're both going to eat it together.
• 50:45
  So Arman has the video recorder going and starts to cut off
• 50:48
  penis and in an interview Arman says that burnt screamed
• 50:51
  horribly but it was short maybe 20 to 30 seconds and that the
• 50:55
  blood was squirting from the open wound similar to a
• 50:58
  fountain. Those are Arman's words but they
• 51:01
  got the penis off. So the the the.
• 51:02
  Thing about this sorry just to go back to to this like where it
• 51:05
  was a very stop start. It was very stop starting with
• 51:08
  this. He asked Arman to bite his cock
• 51:11
  off and he was like, sure, I'll give it a try.
• 51:14
  And he got down there and he, he went for and just couldn't I I
• 51:18
  also think that like #1 Burnt is a rock solid.
• 51:22
  He is, yeah. He.
• 51:25
  Is brick House. Brown right now like so because
• 51:27
  like he is like he's thinking like this is his ultimate
• 51:30
  fantasy. This is every.
• 51:31
  Fantasy coming true? Yeah.
• 51:32
  Yeah, exactly. So when he goes to bite it off
• 51:36
  and engorged penis I imagine is very hard to buy off.
• 51:40
  Hate that word penis. I doubt it.
• 51:47
  Yeah, so, so it was a, it's very tough for for him to like even
• 51:52
  go through it. Like in his head, he's like,
• 51:55
  this is this isn't what I want to do.
• 51:57
  This isn't my fantasy. I want he doesn't want to hurt.
• 51:59
  Him as well. Exactly.
• 52:00
  Jack Russell. If he's biting it.
• 52:03
  Off and and burnt is like in pain and screaming and like, you
• 52:06
  know, it is very clearly painful.
• 52:08
  Armin's just like, no, this is like he does.
• 52:11
  Yeah, he doesn't. Want to hurt anybody?
• 52:13
  I'm just thinking. About this as well in a very
• 52:15
  kind of, you know, he doesn't want to eat.
• 52:17
  He's again, like I'm saying, like he's, he's very kind of
• 52:23
  respectful, but also he's traditional and he wants to cook
• 52:27
  and eat this food. Like he's, you know, he's not,
• 52:29
  he's a civilized man and he, the thing about eating the flesh
• 52:32
  isn't, isn't what he wants to do.
• 52:34
  He just wants to consume a human being.
• 52:36
  That's that's what he's thinking about and he wants to do it like
• 52:38
  with like different kind of a bit of class.
• 52:42
  Yeah, he wants to have a. Stew, he wants to make some
• 52:44
  steak like you know, and so like this isn't his idea.
• 52:48
  So after he tries to bite the cock off and fails, burnt is
• 52:51
  like I forget about it then. And he, he wasn't very like, it
• 52:55
  wasn't like he was pissed off or he was, he was like
• 52:58
  disappointed. Just said like.
• 53:00
  Yeah, so he, they went, they went back into town and he
• 53:04
  bought like he bought a ticket to go back home.
• 53:08
  And then he was like, maybe if you want to give it another
• 53:11
  shot, we'll get to sleeping pills, you'll get this and you
• 53:13
  can chop my cock off. And yeah, yeah.
• 53:16
  So, so so they end up coming back to the place.
• 53:20
  And this is just kind of me pointing out the fact that he is
• 53:23
  at any time burnt, could have gone home.
• 53:26
  Like he was happy to let him go home as well.
• 53:28
  And it was his idea to be like, OK, get me drugged up and.
• 53:32
  All of these. Guys have obviously got like
• 53:35
  substance issues, but this guy burnt, he can fork and take and
• 53:39
  he goes into a what some people would describe as a robo
• 53:44
  psychosis, where like when you drink a lot of cough medicine
• 53:47
  and you you fight it and you stay awake.
• 53:49
  Oh yeah. Whereas like so excited seeing
• 53:51
  stuff. So like he at this stage, he
• 53:53
  was, he was in that like he wasn't falling asleep.
• 53:56
  He was obviously he was he he was like wanting to get his
• 53:59
  sexual fantasies off. He wanted to see his cock
• 54:02
  getting chopped off, so he was fighting it.
• 54:03
  So now he's kind of in like this delirious kind of a state and by
• 54:07
  the time he he does end up chopping the chopping his penis
• 54:12
  off, but like it wasn't what I was struggle.
• 54:15
  Sorry, again, I just, I'm, I'm going deep into it, but like, I
• 54:17
  think there's a little bit more to know, just to know that like
• 54:21
  it wasn't just right, get on the table.
• 54:23
  I'm drugging you up and I'm chopping you up.
• 54:25
  Yeah, he was. He legitimately was able to go
• 54:27
  home and he almost did go back home.
• 54:30
  Yeah. So they get the penis off,
• 54:32
  basically. Ironman decides to then cook the
• 54:35
  penis because, you know, that was the wish.
• 54:38
  He goes over into the kitchen, goes to the little stove top
• 54:42
  thing and then puts a little bit of garlic, some salt, some
• 54:45
  pepper, puts it in the, puts it in there, some oil.
• 54:48
  He's flipping it, fucking cooking up the storm.
• 54:50
  Like properly, properly cooking up this this piece of meat
• 54:55
  cooking that Dick. Yeah, so after cooking.
• 54:57
  The Weiner he serves it to to burn on a nice plate, then feeds
• 55:01
  it to him because obviously he's just had his fucking Dick cut
• 55:03
  off. He's weak.
• 55:04
  He can't really, like, do much for himself.
• 55:06
  Ironman says that the penis tasted disgusting.
• 55:09
  It was super chewy and it wasn't edible, and he was pretty bummed
• 55:12
  about it. Uh, he said.
• 55:14
  It was really disappointing. The thing is, it's not.
• 55:16
  Flesh. It's like it's.
• 55:17
  It's not a. Muscle.
• 55:19
  Yeah, it's a spongy. Muscle that is now filled with,
• 55:21
  yeah, it's filled with blood. Like he chopped it, He chopped
• 55:24
  it up and gave burnt some and like, eh, while it was raw and
• 55:29
  he was like, oh, you're going to have to cook this.
• 55:31
  So he ended up putting it in the pan, but like he didn't know how
• 55:34
  to like nobody knows how to cook a penis.
• 55:36
  So he burned it like like even like bad enough thinking about
• 55:40
  penis, but he actually burnt it like to a crisp as well.
• 55:43
  So now you're having badly burnt penis.
• 55:45
  Badly Burnt Penis sounds like a great band name.
• 55:51
  He said it was really disappointing, but and it just
• 55:53
  wasn't edible. Brent is bleeding a lot,
• 55:56
  creating a mess, and then Ironman decides to put him into
• 55:59
  the bathtub. He's just going to let him bleed
• 56:01
  out, essentially. He sits in the bathtub and he
• 56:04
  just waits it out. So every 15 minutes Ironman
• 56:08
  would go and check on him in the bathtub and he said that it was
• 56:11
  a really slow process. So he busted out his Star Trek
• 56:14
  book. Umm, I'm not lying, this is
• 56:16
  actually what he said. An interview.
• 56:18
  We know which *. Trek book?
• 56:19
  I don't know. Which God damn it.
• 56:21
  I want to read whatever book he was reading.
• 56:24
  I'm going to find out and I'm going to fucking read that.
• 56:26
  I knew you'd love. That.
• 56:27
  Some people were thinking for the time that it was, that it
• 56:30
  could have been a Deep Space 9 and novella, but they don't.
• 56:34
  Yeah, we, they don't know what. They're just guessing because
• 56:37
  it's around. It's the early 2000s, so like
• 56:40
  1999. There's no one, just 2001.
• 56:43
  Yeah, so like they're speculating that I could be Deep
• 56:47
  Space 9, but we don't know. But I found is fucking hilarious
• 56:51
  as well as like there's a kite bleeding out in his battle but
• 56:54
  he's just like ah time to find out what the card is doing which
• 56:58
  I found it. Really funny because I was like,
• 56:59
  I, I had some of these notes already and then I was going
• 57:02
  back over them to send to you guys.
• 57:04
  I was like, she's going to love this because I completely forgot
• 57:06
  about the Star Trek part of it. I just I have.
• 57:08
  To find out which book this is like that.
• 57:11
  Can be your. Mission, if Ocean finds out,
• 57:13
  we'll let you know on the Instagram.
• 57:15
  But yeah, Alex can put a can put a picture of it or she does find
• 57:20
  out. Basically he he wasn't dying
• 57:23
  fast enough. So after three hours, Arman just
• 57:26
  goes in there and he says, look, sorry, I'm just going to slit
• 57:29
  your throat because you're taking too long to die.
• 57:32
  And he gives burnt a kiss and then he sits his throat just
• 57:37
  kind of romantic. I, I there's such there's.
• 57:40
  Such a like intimacy and tenderness to this, you know,
• 57:42
  like he, he's like checking in on him.
• 57:45
  He's like sitting there with him and he's just like, oh, look,
• 57:47
  it's, you know, it's taken too long.
• 57:49
  So we we need to hurry this up and like you know and Brent was
• 57:52
  probably. Like I think it's like he just
• 57:53
  like kisses him. Out genuine affection because
• 57:55
  he's like, you're giving me everything I've ever wanted.
• 57:57
  I want to give you everything you've ever been talking for.
• 57:59
  Months as well they've built. Up.
• 58:01
  They've built. Up not only like Connect, but
• 58:04
  like the two of them are after divulging their deepest, darkest
• 58:07
  secrets to one another. And that and in a way that they
• 58:11
  don't like line up completely what they kind of line up right
• 58:16
  for each other. Like they've kind of got this,
• 58:17
  yeah, this weird magnetic kind of draw towards one another
• 58:20
  where each fantasy is going to be fulfilled by the other
• 58:23
  person. So there is this kind of
• 58:25
  intimacy and this kind of even, I would say, a sort of love for
• 58:29
  one another here. They've built up over the place.
• 58:33
  I think like as well, it's, it's two people who like, it's not
• 58:36
  really something that you can just tell everyone you're into
• 58:39
  Jeremy. Like, it's not like I can be
• 58:40
  like, oh, I'm really into anal. And that's kind of probably
• 58:42
  normal. And you do tell.
• 58:44
  Everyone that I know, but I just.
• 58:45
  Mean that's normal compared to like everyone can be army.
• 58:48
  Hammer, I forgot that. Army Hammer's name is Arm.
• 58:50
  Like he's basically Arm and Hammer.
• 58:52
  He is from the Arm and Hammer. Family.
• 58:55
  No, no, that is the family he's from.
• 58:57
  Like that is yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 58:58
  He is a fucking nepo baby. I love Army hammer.
• 59:01
  Though I really do, I think we should uncancel he was good as
• 59:03
  the lone. Ranger, he's really good.
• 59:05
  I love arm hammer. Yeah.
• 59:07
  So he just sets his throat, once burnt, has died.
• 59:10
  That's when Arman now gets to work.
• 59:12
  He takes his body out with a tub and chops it into pieces and
• 59:17
  puts part of him in the freezer and then buries the skull in the
• 59:20
  garden. I don't know what the
• 59:22
  significance of that was, but the skull, maybe he wanted to
• 59:26
  keep it on the property or well, you know, one of the actually.
• 59:29
  One of the requests. Was that like his skull would
• 59:31
  eventually be used as an ashtray?
• 59:32
  So maybe like maybe just like buried it to start preparing it
• 59:36
  for that. I think that was just.
• 59:37
  A little joke that he was, he was a because like if you look
• 59:41
  at the the correspondence through them and I kind of, I
• 59:43
  like what I looked at a lot of it like that.
• 59:45
  I think that was a little kind of a tongue in cheek kind of a
• 59:47
  thing that like, what are you going to do?
• 59:49
  Because he said, Oh yeah, he asked them in that
• 59:51
  correspondence, what are you going to do with my brain and
• 59:53
  arm? And said, I'm not going to do
• 59:55
  anything with your brain because I'd have to crack open your
• 59:57
  school and I don't want to crack open your school.
• 1:00:00
  And he was like, you can use me as an Astra.
• 1:00:02
  That's what he was saying. So that that's why he they were
• 1:00:05
  they were going now myself flirts.
• 1:00:06
  Yeah, it was kind of like. They were flirting back and
• 1:00:08
  forth between like what are you going to do with my dad's body?
• 1:00:11
  But like, eh, from I like that. A couple of people that I've
• 1:00:15
  been hearing like he did have, he did have the school, I think.
• 1:00:20
  He. He dogged the school back up and
• 1:00:23
  was like, I want him to see himself being eaten.
• 1:00:27
  So like he went and got to school, but he he wasn't like
• 1:00:31
  egging in it as as much like he did go into that.
• 1:00:34
  He did go into a little bit of psychosis symbolism.
• 1:00:37
  More of some more than anything, I think so like.
• 1:00:39
  I think he just wanted to do as kind of like there was no ritual
• 1:00:42
  to it around like that. I think he was just like, this
• 1:00:44
  would be nice if he gets to see himself and how happy he's
• 1:00:46
  making me and he was. It's like when people sit with.
• 1:00:49
  Urns like yeah. Yeah, of their debt of.
• 1:00:52
  Their past loved ones, I guess. Yeah.
• 1:00:54
  So, yeah, once he died, he gets to work, takes his body out tub,
• 1:00:58
  chops it into pieces, puts part in the freezer and then buries a
• 1:01:02
  skull. In an interview, Armand says
• 1:01:04
  that he decorated the table with nice candles.
• 1:01:07
  Quote. I took out my best dinner
• 1:01:09
  service and I fried a piece of rump steak, a piece from his
• 1:01:13
  back and made what I called Princess potatoes and sprouts.
• 1:01:18
  After I prepared my meal, I ate it.
• 1:01:20
  What are Princess potatoes? Testicles.
• 1:01:23
  No, I think, I think they were very I think.
• 1:01:26
  They're very small. Potatoes.
• 1:01:28
  Yeah, it's a way. Of cooking potatoes.
• 1:01:32
  There is a. Joke that he made about his
• 1:01:35
  testicles while his cock got chopped off and when the two of
• 1:01:39
  them were really disappointed by the lack of sustenance that they
• 1:01:42
  got or the lack of pleasure that they got.
• 1:01:44
  Overeating the cock burnt while bleeding out was like well at
• 1:01:48
  least in the morning you can have eggs for breakfast while he
• 1:01:50
  was pointing at his testicles. So that would be me I.
• 1:01:54
  Would make that what a great what?
• 1:01:55
  Like what a great sense of humor to be cracking those what is man
• 1:01:59
  sense of. Humor to be cracking joke as you
• 1:02:01
  are dying. I like the the.
• 1:02:03
  The and and deck of cannibalism. I like it.
• 1:02:08
  So then he goes to say my first bite, uh, was of course very
• 1:02:12
  strange. It was a feeling I can't really
• 1:02:14
  describe. I spent over 40 years longing
• 1:02:17
  for it, dreaming about it, and now I was getting the feeling
• 1:02:19
  that I was actually achieving this perfect interconnection
• 1:02:23
  through his flesh that goes back to.
• 1:02:25
  Like what Josie was saying earlier, like that the the
• 1:02:27
  perfect interconnection through flesh.
• 1:02:29
  It wasn't, it wasn't just to like consume meat, it was
• 1:02:33
  consuming the person. You know, it's yes, so deep.
• 1:02:37
  Umm, the flesh. Tastes like pork but stronger.
• 1:02:40
  Uh. He then stored a lot of the
• 1:02:42
  pieces of the body in zip lock bags in the freezer.
• 1:02:45
  He hid them underneath a bunch of pizza boxes and he would
• 1:02:47
  spend the next 6 to 8 months eating parts of the body.
• 1:02:51
  He'd add it as pizza toppings. He would eat some for breakfast.
• 1:02:55
  He would just, he would basically just be using it as
• 1:02:57
  his food supply 40. 4 lbs. Forty 4 lbs.
• 1:03:01
  Yeah, fuck. That's so much like that's,
• 1:03:04
  that's a lot. And I forget to say as well,
• 1:03:06
  Ironman took video footage of this whole process umm, but then
• 1:03:10
  he also took photos of it as well.
• 1:03:12
  And he went on to the cannibal websites again and uploaded
• 1:03:14
  these photos of burnt umm. And of course, once again, like
• 1:03:18
  the website was fucking crazy for him, idolizing him, he
• 1:03:21
  anyway he took so much. Umm, video footage of this that
• 1:03:25
  he ran out of tape and while burnt was still in the bathtub.
• 1:03:30
  He went to the store and bought himself a new VHS tape so that
• 1:03:34
  he he could record more. And so like he is, he's getting
• 1:03:38
  true. He's getting like he and he's
• 1:03:40
  loving it as well. He's creating a lot of content.
• 1:03:43
  Yes. Yeah, yeah, big time.
• 1:03:45
  But like as well as he was just just to go through like between
• 1:03:50
  now and him going back onto like the the websites and kind of the
• 1:03:55
  the ultimate demise. People were saying, oh, he seems
• 1:03:59
  a lot happier in himself. So this completely turned him
• 1:04:02
  around like his neighbors were saying, yeah, Iron Man, you look
• 1:04:05
  like you're glowing like you look like you're like.
• 1:04:08
  Well, he he actually believes as well.
• 1:04:11
  There's people out there to believe this as well, that if
• 1:04:13
  you in human DNA there's like transference of different
• 1:04:17
  stuffs. Like people are like thinking
• 1:04:19
  like if you know karate and I eat you, I'll know karate thing.
• 1:04:25
  So I'm just I'm just furiously taking.
• 1:04:26
  Notes here how to learn karate. This is what I.
• 1:04:30
  Was like remember and remember heroes and Skylar Sailor, what
• 1:04:36
  do you eat? The brain.
• 1:04:36
  What's going around? Yeah.
• 1:04:38
  So he he finds the piece of the brain that like gives them their
• 1:04:41
  power and he consumes it. So this is kind of like the same
• 1:04:45
  thing. There is a such thing as like
• 1:04:47
  people, I think it's DNA transference is what they call
• 1:04:50
  it. But like people believe that he
• 1:04:51
  can gain the other person's power.
• 1:04:54
  Yes, while you're doing that. And eh burnt goes on to say that
• 1:04:58
  his English got are not burnt. Eh Armand goes on to say that
• 1:05:01
  his English goes gets a lot better.
• 1:05:04
  Amazing. So he can go onto these websites
• 1:05:06
  after he eats burnt because burnt English was better.
• 1:05:09
  And there's people saying, yeah, Frankie, which is the name he
• 1:05:13
  used on these, eh, websites, was Frankie because it was his old
• 1:05:18
  imaginary friend and his imaginary friend that told him
• 1:05:20
  to eat people. And so I was going to say.
• 1:05:25
  That's kind of cute. And I'm, well, it's not.
• 1:05:27
  Like Frankie was again, again, Frankie wasn't a bad person.
• 1:05:30
  Frankie was just kind of the guy who he used to like talk through
• 1:05:35
  all this stuff. So because he had no one to talk
• 1:05:36
  to. So Frankie was a person he met
• 1:05:38
  up, he tells me. To burn things.
• 1:05:43
  And but yeah, Frankie is the little leprechaun on the
• 1:05:46
  shoulder that is telling them to eat things.
• 1:05:48
  So when he goes back online, people are like, oh, Frankie,
• 1:05:51
  his English is not to get a lot better.
• 1:05:53
  And he's like, yeah, I. Absorbed a lot of knowledge
• 1:05:56
  that's. That is, that's some good gravy
• 1:06:02
  right there. But yeah, that's that's that's
• 1:06:05
  again. He's why he says he's better
• 1:06:06
  English to bring this back. To Star Trek.
• 1:06:09
  The actor who played Sylar in Heroes went on to play Spock in
• 1:06:14
  the Star Trek Yeah. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:06:17
  That's. Exactly, Quinto.
• 1:06:18
  Yes, Yeah. Yeah, yeah, he's done a couple
• 1:06:21
  of. Seasons of American Horror Story
• 1:06:23
  and I really liked him I guess he.
• 1:06:25
  Did yeah, so. Late November, early December,
• 1:06:28
  Ironman decides to go back into the cannibal websites and
• 1:06:30
  advertise again because he wants a new volunteer.
• 1:06:33
  His supply is running low, he needs some fresh new meat, so he
• 1:06:37
  posts on a couple of different cannibal websites.
• 1:06:39
  Again, one site there was this Australian shooting who saw
• 1:06:44
  Austrian, Austrian. Sorry.
• 1:06:45
  Yeah, I read that wrong. Show me.
• 1:06:50
  On. The.
• 1:06:53
  Barbie. You saw post and saw the
• 1:06:57
  pictures of the police and then saw that Ironman was looking for
• 1:07:01
  a new victim so he tipped off the police letting them know.
• 1:07:05
  Hey, I think this guy actually fucking kill someone.
• 1:07:08
  On the morning of December 10th, 2002, police paid a visit to the
• 1:07:12
  mansion that Arman lived in. Now police go into Arman's house
• 1:07:15
  and they start snooping around looking for any type of evidence
• 1:07:19
  and they weren't coming across anything, which is odd because
• 1:07:23
  he had a fucking slaughter room. But maybe they just didn't make
• 1:07:26
  it to all 36 rooms. I don't know.
• 1:07:28
  We don't know. I think the the.
• 1:07:29
  The slaughter room itself was a basement.
• 1:07:33
  So because there's no windows, No windows.
• 1:07:35
  Yeah, exactly. So I think he could keep.
• 1:07:37
  It was also probably just like. Like it probably just looked
• 1:07:40
  like a sex dungeon. So, you know, being German,
• 1:07:43
  every German. Every German as.
• 1:07:45
  Well, they were. Just like God.
• 1:07:47
  This is very normal. It's like saunas.
• 1:07:49
  In Sweden. Shout out to our.
• 1:07:52
  German listeners. They get to the.
• 1:07:57
  Refrigerator and they look in the freezer underneath the pizza
• 1:08:00
  boxes and they find 50 lbs of meat so Armin tells the police
• 1:08:05
  that it's wild pig meat and then another police officer looks
• 1:08:08
  closer and they notice that there's skin on it still and so
• 1:08:12
  they take the meat out and upon further I was just.
• 1:08:17
  About to say, just like it's wind right there.
• 1:08:20
  These are. Loafers.
• 1:08:23
  And closer inspection, these are loafers.
• 1:08:26
  These are loafers, yeah. Your shoes are tight since his.
• 1:08:34
  Quotes. Oh, bingo.
• 1:08:38
  So when the police ask him, is this human meat, Armand says
• 1:08:41
  yes, and he admits so. This, this is another thing.
• 1:08:43
  Another thing about Armand, he did not once that that was the
• 1:08:47
  only time that he ever denied anything was when he said no,
• 1:08:52
  it's pig meat. And then when they called him,
• 1:08:54
  he was like you. Got me.
• 1:08:56
  Yeah. OK, I'm the worst but like this.
• 1:08:59
  Pop this cop like picks up this big lump of meat and like you
• 1:09:02
  just know that like he like takes like a little boy over.
• 1:09:04
  He's like, Oh my God, this is human meat.
• 1:09:09
  Amen. The honest.
• 1:09:12
  He tells him absolutely everything.
• 1:09:14
  He's so cooperative. He gives him his computer every,
• 1:09:17
  tells him how to paint every. So consensual.
• 1:09:19
  So he's just like, yeah, that's right.
• 1:09:21
  Yeah, I, I ate him. That's this is true.
• 1:09:24
  Yeah, he does get. He does get very factual, like,
• 1:09:26
  so like the first, I think they said it took 20 minutes for him
• 1:09:29
  to be like, OK, you got me. Yeah.
• 1:09:31
  But like, after all, he's like, I've got first of all, burnt
• 1:09:34
  came with a letter signed by himself saying that he
• 1:09:38
  consented. Fuck.
• 1:09:39
  And the two of them sat down and they roll out a kind of contract
• 1:09:44
  between the two of them and both of them saying that.
• 1:09:46
  And then on video again. So like, there's a lot of video.
• 1:09:50
  He's consenting to it at the start, and then all the way
• 1:09:53
  through it, there's reassurances.
• 1:09:54
  Yeah. Where it's like, are you OK?
• 1:09:57
  Do you want me to stop? No, no, Keep going.
• 1:09:59
  My cock is nearly off. Like, so like it it's it's all
• 1:10:03
  kind of consensual. Yeah.
• 1:10:05
  So like he thinks he thinks like, oh, I'm probably going to
• 1:10:08
  get a slap on the wrist for this.
• 1:10:09
  He's like I'm. Covered.
• 1:10:10
  I've got consent. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:10:12
  Yeah, so. January 30th 2004 Ironman was
• 1:10:16
  convicted of manslaughter and he was only sentenced to 8.5 years.
• 1:10:23
  Must have been a pretty funny joke.
• 1:10:31
  So. That's good.
• 1:10:33
  That's so good. We all like each.
• 1:10:35
  Other sorry guys. Um, yeah, so it was only
• 1:10:41
  sentenced to 8.5 years, which made a lot of people upset.
• 1:10:44
  The case picked up a huge amount of media coverage and people
• 1:10:47
  were outraged. But Ironman's defense, and I
• 1:10:50
  think it was actually pretty fucking strong, was that Burnt
• 1:10:53
  was willing. He volunteered all of the e-mail
• 1:10:56
  correspondences that investigators had found, and the
• 1:10:59
  fact that he actually drove to Ironman's house, signed those
• 1:11:03
  fucking papers. All of that shit is all proof.
• 1:11:08
  It also proved kind of problematic for the lawyers
• 1:11:10
  because cannibalism is in fact legal in Germany.
• 1:11:13
  Just legal because. They never thought like that.
• 1:11:16
  They would have to like legislate.
• 1:11:19
  Against it. It's, it's also like legal in a
• 1:11:22
  lot of countries where it's, I guess it's.
• 1:11:26
  It's an oversight. Yeah.
• 1:11:27
  Like it's. A what is that right If if ocean
• 1:11:30
  you got your tonsils out in the morning and it gave me your
• 1:11:32
  tonsils and I frayed them and at them completely legal.
• 1:11:36
  Yeah, because it's a part of you that you're.
• 1:11:40
  I didn't, I didn't kill you. You were willing to hear me?
• 1:11:43
  Yeah, yeah. And.
• 1:11:44
  And I, I like there's, there's like artists out there.
• 1:11:49
  I think there was a guy in Britain that did exactly that,
• 1:11:52
  that some, some guy gave him his tonsils and he, he has, and it
• 1:11:55
  was part of an art installation. Like he got away with it.
• 1:11:58
  And then after that someone, eh, donated their testicles to him.
• 1:12:03
  So he ate your man's testicles as well.
• 1:12:06
  So like it it's it's if. If burnt, had.
• 1:12:11
  Killed himself and like he had. His body, yes, and had.
• 1:12:18
  Expressed that he wanted to have the body and to consume the
• 1:12:22
  body. I guess he could do what he.
• 1:12:24
  Wanted. Yeah, Arman would have.
• 1:12:26
  Then been able to say, listen, this was like again, I'm I'm not
• 1:12:30
  sure what like the legal well there there's.
• 1:12:33
  Laws. There's laws against, like
• 1:12:35
  interfering with the corpse, Yes.
• 1:12:37
  And there's what I was going to say.
• 1:12:38
  Yeah. That's the creation of the body,
• 1:12:39
  Yeah, after the after fact. So, like, again, it still is
• 1:12:44
  murky in legal waters, but the consuming of him wouldn't have
• 1:12:48
  actually been like, like, he couldn't have gone to jail for
• 1:12:51
  that time for the consuming of him.
• 1:12:54
  It would have just been the desecration of the body, if that
• 1:12:56
  law exists in Germany. Yeah.
• 1:12:58
  So I could eat. Either of you and not have sex
• 1:13:00
  with my sexy sexy cousin. Which is bullshit.
• 1:13:02
  It doesn't make any sense. So anyway.
• 1:13:06
  Sounds like. You want to tell us something?
• 1:13:07
  You want to fuck your cousin? So anyway, umm, they charged
• 1:13:15
  Arman with murder instead for the purposes of sexual pleasure
• 1:13:21
  and with disturbing the peace of the dead.
• 1:13:23
  There, that's the one. Yeah, disturbing the peace of
• 1:13:25
  the dead is the Yeah, they ended up showing.
• 1:13:27
  The court, 19 minutes of the video that Arman took, which I'm
• 1:13:31
  sure probably ruined a lot of people's years because I I
• 1:13:34
  couldn't even imagine what they saw on that tape.
• 1:13:38
  Their argument was that he should have been convicted of
• 1:13:41
  murder and not manslaughter and also that he should be given a
• 1:13:44
  life sentence and not 8 years. So in the retrial they thought
• 1:13:48
  that burnt was not in the right mind to be able to give consent.
• 1:13:52
  And then finally in May 9th, 2006, which is what like five
• 1:13:57
  years later, it was 2000 and. It was 2002 that he got, uh, he
• 1:14:01
  got arrested. So like he went like 1010 or 11
• 1:14:04
  months without from the actual? Date that it happened that
• 1:14:07
  because that was also May 9th, wasn't it?
• 1:14:09
  It was. March so.
• 1:14:12
  Ironman was convicted of murder and sentenced to life.
• 1:14:15
  Ironman then actually became a vegetarian in prison.
• 1:14:18
  Doesn't doesn't eat me anymore, which is funny to me.
• 1:14:21
  I just a little fun fact. He's done interviews again.
• 1:14:25
  He's very calm, very well spoken and he just looks fucking
• 1:14:29
  normal, like normal as hell. But he's a cannibal killer.
• 1:14:34
  He says that what he did was cannibal, a cannibal killer.
• 1:14:41
  He says what he did was. Wrong.
• 1:14:42
  And he knows that. So yeah, I mean, like, this is
• 1:14:45
  Germany too. I have no idea about their legal
• 1:14:47
  system, but you know, free my boy, He ain't doing nothing.
• 1:14:51
  I'm always on the side of Arman. I, I think he like, I don't
• 1:14:55
  think he should have gone down for anything like I'm we.
• 1:15:00
  No. We did listen, we did this on
• 1:15:02
  the last on my last podcast, right?
• 1:15:04
  We talked about Arman a little bit on this and I had the exact
• 1:15:06
  same views then right And I got we got so many comments being
• 1:15:12
  like what the fuck? Like clearly he wasn't in his
• 1:15:14
  right mind like we're the victim blame when all this and I was
• 1:15:17
  like victim blaming either. I'm just saying like I think
• 1:15:21
  burnt. Is a fucking dude as well here.
• 1:15:23
  Like so like, yeah, I I think bought a guy again, right.
• 1:15:28
  You put fustigation aside, but if you put aside that if you put
• 1:15:33
  aside like the actual what what it is that the sexual fantasy is
• 1:15:37
  and the fact that it's kind of fucking really fucked up as that
• 1:15:41
  normal people would never imagine doing this kind of
• 1:15:44
  thing. The two of the guys found each
• 1:15:47
  other in a in a way that like you should not like these guys
• 1:15:54
  are fucking, you know, a country apart, eh, like 2-2 different
• 1:15:59
  sides of the country and they both have kind of weird kinks
• 1:16:03
  that kind of matched up. They found each other, yes, and
• 1:16:06
  they used consent all the way true and did this thing.
• 1:16:10
  Now again, I'm not saying he shouldn't have gone to jail
• 1:16:13
  because there's something obviously wrong with him.
• 1:16:16
  Like again he got he got diagnosed with eh, I won't say
• 1:16:21
  schizophrenia about a schizole effective disorder or something.
• 1:16:24
  Yeah. Yeah, yeah, exactly.
• 1:16:26
  Something like that. So again, again he gets
• 1:16:29
  medicated and then becomes a vegetarian, which you know,
• 1:16:33
  fucking talk about AU turn but but like but the thing about
• 1:16:39
  what it is and again, there is so many questions about this
• 1:16:42
  again, like would he have elevated and became the likes of
• 1:16:47
  a dammer or something like that? Like if he starts, you know,
• 1:16:50
  like. If he if he did get to get the
• 1:16:53
  second victim that he was searching, yeah, yes, but I.
• 1:16:56
  Don't think so, yeah. But this is what I'm going to.
• 1:16:58
  Say as well, the fact of the matter is there was other people
• 1:17:01
  between the time that he got arrested and he he met there was
• 1:17:07
  a guy came to his came to his mansion, eh, and they got so far
• 1:17:14
  that he was he was hung out of the the hook.
• 1:17:18
  So again, he was suspended. He wasn't like he wasn't impaled
• 1:17:21
  around here, but he was suspended.
• 1:17:23
  That's the thing, people. Do as well, yeah.
• 1:17:25
  Yeah. But I, I again, I don't know
• 1:17:27
  how, I don't think that he like, he just got to a point where he
• 1:17:30
  actually had a marker and he started like sectioning off
• 1:17:37
  parts of his body and writing down what they're Oh, he was
• 1:17:41
  like. What the coats were going to be
• 1:17:42
  so. He's like, this is our line.
• 1:17:44
  Cuts. Yeah, exactly like a.
• 1:17:46
  Butcher's chair like, so he's like, this is the shoulder.
• 1:17:48
  This is the wrong this is. And he was explaining it to the
• 1:17:50
  guy as well. And in the end, the guy got cold
• 1:17:54
  feet and said, I don't want to do this.
• 1:17:57
  And he goes, OK, And he says it's a bit late, eh, do you want
• 1:18:01
  to just hang out and have some food?
• 1:18:03
  And he cooked a guy pizza, like frozen, frozen pizza.
• 1:18:07
  Yeah, yeah. So.
• 1:18:08
  And they sat, they sat and watched a movie eating frozen
• 1:18:11
  pizzas. Gone.
• 1:18:12
  Isn't it mad that I was going to eat you?
• 1:18:14
  You know, it's like they said they're.
• 1:18:16
  Eating the frozen, burnt. I don't think the other guy was
• 1:18:21
  not sure you. Know that he wouldn't feed him.
• 1:18:24
  He wouldn't do it without. Him.
• 1:18:26
  Consenting to it, yeah. Like, yeah, consent, yeah.
• 1:18:30
  So. On the on the issue of consent,
• 1:18:32
  like that's where they effectively like kind of got him
• 1:18:35
  for because they're like, look, you can't consent to be killed.
• 1:18:38
  You, you know, because there's something wrong with you.
• 1:18:40
  Like that is you're not in your right mind when you're
• 1:18:42
  consenting to be killed. So do you guys remember a case
• 1:18:45
  here in the UK back in 2024? There was a guy called the
• 1:18:49
  Eunuch Maker, yes. No.
• 1:18:51
  I don't know this guy. Oh, man.
• 1:18:52
  So he. Was this Norwegian guy called
• 1:18:54
  Marius Gustafson fucking crazy? And he advertised himself as the
• 1:18:59
  eunuch maker and he was like, if you want your penis cut off, I
• 1:19:02
  will do it for you and you know, I will provide the service.
• 1:19:06
  And so he did this to like, I think there was like 5 or 6
• 1:19:09
  confirmed cases of it. But he would also do things like
• 1:19:12
  he would cut off nipples, he would cut off hands, he would
• 1:19:15
  cut off fingers, he would freeze limbs to like to cut them off
• 1:19:19
  basically. An extreme body mod kind of
• 1:19:23
  thing is what like he would also.
• 1:19:25
  Get people who would like contact them and say look like I
• 1:19:28
  look at my body and I see the nipples on my body and they
• 1:19:32
  don't belong there. The the nipples need to go.
• 1:19:34
  So is these people, which is an. Actual psychological.
• 1:19:37
  Body dysphoria, yeah, it's like. I want more.
• 1:19:41
  Nipples. It's like Phantom.
• 1:19:44
  Something like people kind of get it's, it's a really serious
• 1:19:47
  limb. Syndrome.
• 1:19:48
  Oh yeah. Yeah.
• 1:19:49
  So people look kind of. Like their?
• 1:19:51
  Hand. Doesn't.
• 1:19:52
  Oh, you didn't say that the. Hand is not mine.
• 1:19:54
  Hand is doing something they're not telling me to do.
• 1:19:56
  But these guys were just like they wanted their their balls
• 1:19:59
  cut off. They wanted their Dicks cut off
• 1:20:00
  or like limbs or nipples. And so he was just like, well,
• 1:20:04
  you know, like I want to do this and these people want to do it
• 1:20:06
  to me. So he was doing it and he was
• 1:20:08
  also creating videos and selling it online.
• 1:20:11
  So he he had this website where he was making, he was making a
• 1:20:13
  lot of money. On Yeah, yeah, Yeah.
• 1:20:16
  And so his whole thing again, was like, look, I've consent for
• 1:20:19
  this and like, I'm doing these procedures correctly.
• 1:20:22
  And what they, they got him for was like, you know, kind of like
• 1:20:25
  operating as a surgeon without a license.
• 1:20:27
  But then like, consent came into it as well because they were
• 1:20:30
  just like, look, a person cannot consent for you to like, cut
• 1:20:34
  their Dick off when you are not a doctor.
• 1:20:36
  And there's nothing wrong with their Dick.
• 1:20:38
  Like, you know, they don't have like, you know, a type of cancer
• 1:20:40
  that effectively effects that part of their body.
• 1:20:42
  And it's not a surgeon. There's not a, a medical
• 1:20:45
  procedure to it. There's not a medical reason for
• 1:20:47
  it. So it's not a legitimate
• 1:20:50
  process. And he, he went to jail like, he
• 1:20:53
  got like, he, he was tried in London, like in the Old Bailey
• 1:20:58
  and he got like, I can't remember, but he like, he's gone
• 1:21:02
  to jail. And he got like a bunch of Oh
• 1:21:03
  no, he got 22 years because like, yeah, because they were
• 1:21:08
  just like this. This is like, you know, the
• 1:21:10
  biggest GBH you can imagine because like you're removing
• 1:21:15
  limbs. You're removing like, you know,
• 1:21:17
  people's ability to reproduce if they wanted to go down.
• 1:21:21
  This is really. Sad to ring a bell with me.
• 1:21:23
  I know there's a. Doctor, just you, probably you
• 1:21:27
  maybe you're kind of mixing it up, but it's he was in LA back
• 1:21:32
  in, I want to say the 60s and he was doing all these transgender
• 1:21:37
  operations, so like penis removal and stuff like that back
• 1:21:42
  way back then. And he was doing it for like
• 1:21:45
  basically fuck all money. It was just to make.
• 1:21:48
  The Ocean Asamo is ringing a bell now because it wasn't just
• 1:21:50
  when when he said like chopping cocks off, like it didn't ring a
• 1:21:54
  bell, but when he was talking about like removing arms and
• 1:21:56
  stuff like that. I remember seeing stuff of that
• 1:21:59
  where like people were like, there's a guy out there who is
• 1:22:02
  like removing people's limbs but with consent and it that's this
• 1:22:06
  guy did that. Too just any or like that was a
• 1:22:08
  phantom limb thing that he had like this so.
• 1:22:10
  Like Gustafson as well, like, you know, there were videos
• 1:22:13
  where like people would go to him for like some pretty like
• 1:22:15
  heavy duty sexual BDSM desires as well.
• 1:22:18
  Like he branded at least one person, like maybe even at least
• 1:22:22
  two with a red hot iron that said EM, which is eunuch maker
• 1:22:27
  because like people wanted they wanted to be like, you know, I
• 1:22:31
  was so ready. To fight you on that, yeah,
• 1:22:36
  That's why I never remembered that eunuch started a knee and I
• 1:22:38
  was like, I was gonna fight you with that.
• 1:22:41
  Actually. You and ends with a knee, but
• 1:22:43
  yeah, it's. And the.
• 1:22:46
  Thing is like someone that he, I think someone that he branded
• 1:22:48
  like afterwards, like, you know, when he was like arrested, the
• 1:22:51
  court case was going on. A guy that, like, sought him out
• 1:22:54
  to be branded afterwards, just like, Oh yeah, that was a
• 1:22:56
  mistake. Like, this guy's clearly a
• 1:22:58
  fucking lunatic. And it's like, buddy, do you not
• 1:23:00
  think there's so? Many fucking like fuck off women
• 1:23:03
  that are like, I regret my Jack Skellington tattoo.
• 1:23:05
  I'm going to call the police. Like are you fucking joking me?
• 1:23:09
  Like if you, if you go ahead to do that, like, and there's a
• 1:23:11
  bunch of like Pete Davidson, for example.
• 1:23:14
  I know he's like removed all of his tattoos and stuff like
• 1:23:16
  recently, but like he has like things branded on him and stuff
• 1:23:20
  all the time. And it's like, did you really
• 1:23:22
  just get that like because it's like a little bit edgy?
• 1:23:25
  Or did you just get that because it's like a dumb thing and you
• 1:23:28
  find this eunuch maker guy, your Dom?
• 1:23:30
  And I think there was. A.
• 1:23:32
  Is it a turn on? I think for some people.
• 1:23:33
  There was this element of like the, the sexual gratification
• 1:23:37
  that they were looking looking for.
• 1:23:40
  And then for some people there was just genuinely like, you
• 1:23:42
  know, these nipples have to be off my body and I will not be
• 1:23:47
  complete until that happens. And they're like, he had happy
• 1:23:51
  customers. He had people that he do it to.
• 1:23:52
  And they were just like, Oh my God, my life is complete now.
• 1:23:55
  So just. To get back to Armin here on on
• 1:23:59
  and burnt like there is really no what takes he backs.
• 1:24:01
  He's on that like so when it comes out to like he he was full
• 1:24:07
  like burnt was saying like I want to be consumed.
• 1:24:09
  I want you to fucking display to make sure my body is gone.
• 1:24:14
  It's dust. I don't want anybody to know
• 1:24:15
  where or ever find me like, and so like the, the question here
• 1:24:21
  is right, even though he's got consent and we're all kind of
• 1:24:24
  saying like, oh, arm and he actually seems like a nice guy
• 1:24:27
  and stuff like that. And he we don't think he would
• 1:24:29
  have ever kind of just killed somebody in cold blood or
• 1:24:32
  anything like that. But there also is the argument
• 1:24:35
  to be made. He's taken advantage of someone
• 1:24:37
  who obviously has some severe mental trauma, and it's talking
• 1:24:43
  about taking the life you know to.
• 1:24:44
  Tell any. Other normal human being, like
• 1:24:48
  if you were to say there's some normal human being, all you want
• 1:24:51
  to be murdered, like burnt has actually gone to sex workers.
• 1:24:57
  I've been like, I want you to bite my cock off and they've
• 1:25:00
  obviously just refused. They're like that's I can't do
• 1:25:03
  that. I would not like that.
• 1:25:05
  Service. Yes, but they did, they went
• 1:25:07
  into like, OK, I'll abuse you in whatever way.
• 1:25:10
  Like you, you want to be abused and stuff, but I can't go to the
• 1:25:13
  point where I'm chopping your cock off because you've
• 1:25:15
  obviously got a mental disorder and there's no taxi boxes.
• 1:25:18
  Yeah, but Arman went down the road of oh, you've got this
• 1:25:23
  fantasy that I want to live out. I've been thinking about it for
• 1:25:27
  40 plus years, ever since I saw that witch try and push Hansel
• 1:25:30
  and Gretel into a fucking stove or I've seen fucking my man
• 1:25:35
  Friday getting fucking bitten by cannibals on fucking on the
• 1:25:39
  island, not that island. And he's, he's been thinking
• 1:25:44
  about, he's been thinking about this for so long that now he's
• 1:25:46
  got himself wound up that when the opportunity showed itself to
• 1:25:50
  him, he didn't think like, well, obviously he was never going to
• 1:25:54
  do without consent. But he also didn't think about
• 1:25:59
  should I give this man help rather than should I help myself
• 1:26:03
  to this man? That's great.
• 1:26:04
  Yeah. It's a weird way.
• 1:26:05
  To put it but like it's, you know, you get what I'm saying.
• 1:26:07
  No, I get you. Yeah, no, that's true.
• 1:26:10
  But at the same time I'm like there's just so much of and I'm
• 1:26:14
  trying to say this and be like semi PC.
• 1:26:16
  I can't really, but there's there's you are the.
• 1:26:18
  Wrong podcast. I know.
• 1:26:21
  But I just mean like, I get why people could be like, oh, like
• 1:26:25
  this man is a victim and blah, blah, whatever.
• 1:26:27
  But I'm like, at what point are you letting a man, I, I, I
• 1:26:32
  guarantee you it didn't take two minutes to pop that cock off.
• 1:26:35
  Like I, I guarantee you it didn't, right.
• 1:26:37
  At what point are you there and you're letting this guy try and
• 1:26:41
  take your cock off and you've left and you've come back and
• 1:26:45
  you've got the cock off and you're sat and you're making
• 1:26:48
  jokes and you're sat seasoning this fucking your own fucking
• 1:26:52
  organ and you're sat there like enjoying the company of this man
• 1:26:55
  and he's feeding you. At what point are you a victim?
• 1:26:58
  Really you're. Also, you're also not making a
• 1:27:01
  great case for the fact that he's not mentally well if all
• 1:27:05
  this is happening. Like he's obviously out of his
• 1:27:07
  goddamn mind, but I come. Down on the side of like, if you
• 1:27:11
  are this unwell, you can't consent because it's like if you
• 1:27:14
  are that drunk. And The thing is Arman was very
• 1:27:17
  specific around consent. And so even when he was drugging
• 1:27:20
  him, it was like, okay, now you take the pills and now you drink
• 1:27:24
  the wine. I'm not forcing it.
• 1:27:25
  And it's because I, I don't want you to feel pain.
• 1:27:28
  But but he, he wasn't playing him with alcohol, he wasn't
• 1:27:31
  playing him with drugs. So like he wasn't doing it to
• 1:27:35
  like get around. So like he knew that if someone
• 1:27:38
  is like tricked into being of not sound mind, then consent is
• 1:27:43
  a major issue. But like if you were that
• 1:27:45
  mentally unwell, you are not of sound mind.
• 1:27:48
  I don't. Know we've all a different.
• 1:27:50
  Point I'm mentally. Unwell, all the different points
• 1:27:52
  in our. Lives like.
• 1:27:52
  Struggle with our mental health. And I know that like, there were
• 1:27:56
  some dark times when I was in my early 20s and like, I was not of
• 1:28:00
  like sound mind, but I was never of the point of like wanting
• 1:28:04
  someone to like kill me or anything.
• 1:28:05
  Like I had like, you know, some suicidal thoughts and things
• 1:28:08
  like that. But like did the Journal?
• 1:28:09
  Factory explode, but it's. It's not it's not like, you
• 1:28:13
  know, a quote UN quote, normal state of mind to me in, you
• 1:28:18
  know, like and that wasn't me being.
• 1:28:20
  Rude that was a TikTok thing I saw.
• 1:28:21
  Sorry, go on. I'm. 40 years old.
• 1:28:25
  I am not on so left. Field this guy is talking about
• 1:28:29
  fucking suicidal ideation actually making tik.
• 1:28:32
  T.O.K, so I take that. No, I'm sorry.
• 1:28:35
  I just had to lighten the load a little bit, like I'm just being.
• 1:28:37
  Like I'm being like, you know, really like upfront about like,
• 1:28:39
  you know, mental struggles when you do reach a point where like,
• 1:28:43
  if you are considering suicide, like you are, you were not of
• 1:28:47
  sound mind because you have reached this point where you're
• 1:28:50
  just like, I have to be dead. And like for this guy to be
• 1:28:53
  like, not only do I have to be dead, I have to be consumed.
• 1:28:56
  I want, I want there to be nothing left here, bones to be
• 1:28:59
  ground into paste and dust. That is like you are erasing
• 1:29:03
  yourself. It's it is not what is
• 1:29:06
  considered like a normal feeling.
• 1:29:08
  Like you know, it is a very unwell and unhealthy feeling for
• 1:29:12
  someone to feel just to get to back.
• 1:29:15
  Up that exact thing that you're talking about as well, like to
• 1:29:17
  to talk about like suicidal ideation and stuff like that is
• 1:29:19
  like most people go through it and like I've had severe bouts
• 1:29:23
  where like I was close to fucking the end like and when I
• 1:29:27
  was at my lowest, if I met someone like arm and who was
• 1:29:30
  like, I'll I'll kill you if you let me eat you.
• 1:29:33
  I'd like I'd like yeah, I think OK, but like I don't want to eat
• 1:29:37
  my car. I just, I just want you to end
• 1:29:39
  me. Like, you know, if I had someone
• 1:29:40
  like that at that time, what, like thinking about it now,
• 1:29:43
  whereas I'm not fucking completely suicidal, I'm like,
• 1:29:48
  oh, I'd just be dead. I'd stop existing because at at
• 1:29:52
  my lowest moment, I met somebody who would have who was an
• 1:29:55
  advantage of that situation. Advantage.
• 1:29:57
  Exactly. Like he was, Armin was like,
• 1:30:00
  even though like he never ever sought this way because like he
• 1:30:03
  was so careful about consent, he was taken advantage like he was
• 1:30:06
  on these forums like going, hello, would anybody like to be
• 1:30:08
  eaten and anybody. Well, he says it.
• 1:30:11
  Now when he talks about it now and and when people ask him
• 1:30:15
  about it and they talk about eh, others, people out there to
• 1:30:19
  actually idolize you, he says those people should seek help
• 1:30:23
  because what I did was wrong and I wouldn't do it.
• 1:30:26
  So he does. He has regrets.
• 1:30:28
  Like as we said already, he's on meds, he's vegetarian now and
• 1:30:32
  he's, he actually works in the prison like teaching people how
• 1:30:36
  to call computers and teaches them German and stuff like that.
• 1:30:39
  So like. He's the chef, love.
• 1:30:43
  That I don't. Think they're going to trust in
• 1:30:45
  the kitchen for a while? Like so him.
• 1:30:49
  Now what he thinks it's weird to say it, but this cannibal is a
• 1:30:53
  good guy. And yeah, he kind of, he
• 1:30:56
  realizes himself what he did was wrong.
• 1:31:00
  Yeah. So I love that we did this
• 1:31:03
  subject because it's such an interesting one, because it's
• 1:31:05
  not just like, serial killer. Ha, ha, ha.
• 1:31:08
  Butcher someone, eat them. Yeah.
• 1:31:10
  There's so much nuance involved in this story, even when you go
• 1:31:13
  back to, like, childhood trauma between the two guys and how it
• 1:31:17
  kind of effects them later on in life or how you can be someone
• 1:31:20
  who has these ideation of, like, cannibalism, but also you're not
• 1:31:25
  a murderous scumbag. Yeah.
• 1:31:27
  You're not like. We do a lot of serial.
• 1:31:29
  Killers and a lot of like bad people on this lake ocean.
• 1:31:32
  Before you came along, we were talking about Albert Fish, who
• 1:31:34
  was an absolute fucking. Bumbag like.
• 1:31:37
  Very interesting, do you know anything?
• 1:31:39
  About Albert Fish Rusheen? No, I don't think so.
• 1:31:41
  Well, the worst he. Was a very, very bad man.
• 1:31:45
  He was. He was the boogeyman as bad as
• 1:31:47
  you. Can imagine.
• 1:31:48
  Or Shane. He's.
• 1:31:49
  He's probably worse. Yeah, he's disgusting.
• 1:31:51
  And he would write letters to the parents of the kids that he
• 1:31:54
  would kill and eat and describe in detail.
• 1:31:57
  He delighted in. This he would sexually.
• 1:31:59
  Assault them first and then oh. Fuck that guy, Yeah.
• 1:32:03
  Yeah, he, he was disgusting. He was the phone.
• 1:32:06
  He was. And another American serial
• 1:32:08
  killer. Yeah, there's.
• 1:32:09
  Also a theory that he was Jack the Ripper.
• 1:32:14
  There's the theory as well that he was Jack the Ripper, who then
• 1:32:17
  moved to New York. I know, I know.
• 1:32:18
  I just, I think it's a really interesting little theory we did
• 1:32:20
  go through. Again, if you want more
• 1:32:22
  information on this, if you've listened to this, go back to our
• 1:32:25
  old episodes. There's a theory that he's.
• 1:32:27
  Also, HH Holmes, who had the Murder Hotel?
• 1:32:31
  Yes. Yeah.
• 1:32:32
  That he basically built upon. Did we do an episode of HH
• 1:32:35
  Holmes? I don't think we did, no.
• 1:32:36
  We just talked about from John the Albert fish one, I think go
• 1:32:38
  future. Episode.
• 1:32:40
  Yeah. Yeah, but like, I mean, that man
• 1:32:43
  is just, that's someone who is evil and just beyond exactly
• 1:32:46
  right. But but this is not who Armin
• 1:32:48
  is. This is what I'm saying.
• 1:32:50
  It's just an interesting case was no like lack.
• 1:32:53
  Of control with Armin it wasn't like it was it was a compulsion
• 1:32:57
  compulsion but it was a very like logical compulsion, you
• 1:33:02
  know like he he had like all these restraint he.
• 1:33:04
  Actually, he, he has like this. Yeah, he could have just.
• 1:33:08
  Murdered guys and he he chose not to.
• 1:33:10
  That's the thing. I.
• 1:33:11
  I. Think genuinely, if he had had
• 1:33:13
  an opportunity to like fucking murders, like I think maybe if
• 1:33:16
  he was at a point where one of the other, like one of the guys
• 1:33:20
  that he was with was drinking and then kind of just passed
• 1:33:22
  out. I, I still don't think he would
• 1:33:23
  have done it. I think he would be like all
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  right I gotta wait for this guy to wake up and agree with it
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  because he literally had the knife.
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  In his hand and yeah, I said I want to go home and he's been
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  like, cool. Yeah, that's.
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  Absolutely. Fine.
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  Let's get you doing off that hook.
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  Like, yeah, it is a, it's a. Fascinating story and I think
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  that the conclusion is he shouldn't have done what he did,
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  but he's the nicest guy to have done it.
• 1:33:46
  Yeah, and that's the thing. Anyone else they would have been
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  like, you bastard. But with him, I'm kind of like
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  girl mom, like. Like so we're trying to have.
• 1:33:54
  A shorter episode, yeah. So we will be.
• 1:33:57
  Back next week, I am going to bring back the What the Fuck is
• 1:34:00
  Wrong with America series, and I'm doing it on what are we
• 1:34:04
  doing, Joe McCarthy of McCarthyism.
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  So yeah, I'm starting to put that together now.
• 1:34:10
  So we will be recording that next week.
• 1:34:12
  And yeah, so like Josie was saying, we're trying to like, do
• 1:34:15
  shorter episodes now because they're just a little bit easier
• 1:34:18
  to consume. As compared to our previous.
• 1:34:20
  Ones after like the hours and hours of Epstein that we've
• 1:34:24
  done, we're just, yeah, getting these down to a more consumable,
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  much like human flesh format. If you've made it this.
• 1:34:32
  Far please please please just click follow on the Spotify or
• 1:34:36
  wherever smash that guys follow. Subscribe.
• 1:34:41
  Subscribe. It's it's.
• 1:34:43
  So. Important met me even hit that
• 1:34:45
  hype button guys because that really helps us in the
• 1:34:48
  algorithm. It does.
• 1:34:50
  Though, and even if you just want to like just if, if you
• 1:34:53
  made it this far, rate the episode that you're listening
• 1:34:55
  to, even give it 5, please give us give us something.
• 1:34:58
  Anything. Any.
• 1:34:59
  Interaction if if. If you are listening to this,
• 1:35:02
  please hear comments, whatever. If you're listening to on
• 1:35:06
  YouTube or Spotify, whatever it is, just hit the comments down
• 1:35:09
  there. Maybe say something about this
• 1:35:11
  episode, ask us, suggest a future episode, ask us any
• 1:35:16
  questions at all. Just a bit of fucking engagement
• 1:35:18
  because I feel like I'm screaming into the void here
• 1:35:21
  sometimes. Yeah, I.
• 1:35:23
  Mean, I don't think we are. I think we do have like a solid
• 1:35:26
  base, but like nobody interacts or says anything burned had a
• 1:35:29
  solid. Base but he got a chopped off
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  hello. Hey.
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  But yeah, justy, do you want to sign us all, ladies?
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  And gentlemen, thank you for sitting through this uh, fucking
• 1:35:43
  7 course meal of burnt, uh, it's been fascinating.
• 1:35:49
  In conclusion, don't eat people no matter if to give you
• 1:35:52
  consent. Try not to eat people.
• 1:35:54
  I've been Justy. He's been Ocean, she's been
• 1:35:58
  Danny. Thank you for hanging out with
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  us for a spell. Bye.
• 1:36:03
  Guys I can't seem to find the button to hang up so this.
• 1:36:09
  Is all going to be included, Alex?