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Innocence & Injustice: The Steve Titus Story - Part 2 · PNW Haunts & Homicides

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On June 8, Titus was to be sentenced.
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But Steve had so many supporters and in fact a defense fund was set up.
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Oh.
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Him and his family have like literally, they put everything that they have into this.
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Yeah, that's right.
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Steve was spending every spare moment doing whatever he could for the case and they spent
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like every nickel and dime they had.
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Okay, are you ready?
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I am ready.
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Wow.
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For part two, yeah, because I am ready because I want to know what happens.
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Well, let's do our intro.
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Show me.
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Oh, yeah, sure.
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Okay.
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Hi, Cassie.
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Hi, Caitlin.
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Hello.
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Hello.
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Hello.
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If you're new to our creepy corner of the world, this is PNW Haunts and Homicides, where
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we chat about true crime, the paranormal and all things spooky in the Pacific, North,
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West.
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We do a tarot reading in every episode for a little bit of deeper insight into our topic.
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And for a little witchy, funness in our lives, funness.
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We don't have a lot of time.
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So we have to shove everything in while we're working.
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We're multi-tasking.
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Yeah.
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If we're not doing 12 things, like, did we even get anything done?
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No.
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The answer is no.
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No.
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11?
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No.
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One too many.
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One too.
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Few.
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Trying to talk too fast.
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Yeah.
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This is what happens.
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Yeah.
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Okay.
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So here at the top, I'm just going to quickly recap a few things from part one.
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I'm sure you remember everything that happened, but pretty much because it was like a pretty
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tight editing window.
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Yeah.
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So it wasn't that long ago.
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That was yesterday.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Okay.
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But a refresher would be nice.
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Yeah.
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Just in case.
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Steve Titus agreed to answer questions at the police station.
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Even after being told they were investigating a rape allegation involving an attacker that
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was a preliminary match to his physical description.
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So super nice guy.
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Um, I mean, he sort of kind of vaguely matched parts of a description as did his vehicle.
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So Steve was super easy going and cooperative while all of this was going down.
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In fact, I think you'll remember officers even upliked when Steve and his fiance Mona asked
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for a photo of the two of them because it was her 21st birthday after all.
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Additionally, photos were taken of the interior and the exterior of Steve's vehicle and his
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tires.
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Following his visit to the station, a photo montage of six potential suspects was created
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and then shown to the victim at her mother's home in Tacoma.
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She studied the photos carefully before stating, this one is the closest one.
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It has to be this one.
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Boo.
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Boo.
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And just to be clear, we are not booing the victim.
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Oh, no, no, no.
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See, we adult in.
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No, sorry.
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Um, she.
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She's.
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I'm booing the fact that they took that quote and said, yep, he's guilty.
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Right.
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She had been led to believe that her attacker was among the men pictured and Steve's photo
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had been slapped in with no consideration for uniformity with the others.
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So it was like, let's just draw some red arrows and it's the guy.
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It reminds me of like when you put your name in like a raffle, but then you like, you crinkle
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the paper so that it stands out.
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Yeah.
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It doesn't get stuck with anyone else's.
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Exactly.
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Pro life tip.
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Yeah.
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That's how you do it.
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Yep.
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The jury deliberated for 12 hours, taking four votes during that time.
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The votes were initially split eight, four in favor of acquittal.
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Later this wood shift to seven, five in favor of acquittal, then by the final vote, the tide
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had turned.
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They apparently very suddenly unanimously agreed he was guilty of first degree rate.
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So we went from actually about two thirds of the jury believing he was innocent to suddenly
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he has unanimously found guilty.
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Like how?
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I mean, certainly that's like the whole purpose of the jury deliberating is that, you know,
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they discuss the facts of the case and you're supposed to be taking that time to consider,
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you know, like is the person innocent or guilty.
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It's just really drastic in the opposite direction it was going.
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That just seems.
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Yes.
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Like those eight people should have been convincing the two or whatever, however,
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that was for.
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Yeah.
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Four.
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Yeah.
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Interest.
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Yeah.
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I wonder what kind of people those four people were like heavily influential.
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We might, we might, we will talk about it.
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A little bit maybe.
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Okay.
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Picked up on something there.
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Did I?
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Maybe.
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The jury it turns out had not been so easily swayed by the case that the prosecution delivered.
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So they were far from suspecting any misconduct on the part of law enforcement.
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So where we obviously have the benefit of sort of hindsight in the case, we understand
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that, you know, part of what they were doing is just, you know, making shit up, putting
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goofy shit on the walls and seeing what sticks.
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The jury didn't have any reason to believe that was the case.
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I mean, that to be fair is something you can really only know in, I think, hindsight more
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than likely.
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But in times Steve's fate had been sealed as the last holdout, not entirely convinced
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of his guilt beyond a reasonable doubt caved to the pressure of his cohorts.
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This juror in particular would reflect in later years and in interviews that he had
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struggled with his decision.
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So this is really, I remember reading this and feeling like, oh, this is so upsetting.
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So this is despite the pathetic animalistic moan that had given the juror pause.
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Okay.
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So Steve just gave this like guttural, like sound once the verdict was read.
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But Steve having failed a lie detector test is the conscience of jury members when they
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learned of the result of the polygraph examination post trial.
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So I don't have this in my notes, but one of the jurors called the man who basically, like
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he was the holdout and he said, hey, you know, they didn't tell us this was excluded, but
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he failed to polygraph.
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And he's like, oh, man, I feel so much better.
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Awesome.
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It wasn't included for a reason.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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So they learned about the facts of the case after the trial.
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And that was something that sort of was like, oh, man, you know, I was really, that one juror
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at least was very concerned that, should maybe I really got this wrong.
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And the failed polygraph really gave him a little bit of peace in that.
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I mean, honestly, if that were me making that decision that I felt terrible about anything
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that would make me feel better, I would probably take it.
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Oh, you'd go on on to it.
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Yeah, sure.
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The sentencing phase of the criminal proceedings loomed six weeks ahead.
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Though he had just been found guilty of a pretty heinous crime, Titus was released on $2,500
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bail.
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At the hearing, he had appeared a near total wreck.
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He'd been losing weight, was pale, and his voice shook sadly.
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Not, oh, sadly, it shook.
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Like it shook in a sad way.
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Oh, it was something that people commented on in particular.
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From the way home from his bail hearing, Mona was shocked to hear Steve recount how he'd
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intended to hang himself in his cell the night before, rather than go to prison.
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For him, a lengthy stint of incarceration already seemed a near inevitability, and it was
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more than he could bear.
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Obviously, he did not fall through with it because he was present for his sentencing.
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That's really sad.
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Fuck.
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He was facing a minimum of three years behind bars and up to a maximum of 20.
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But again, totally chill thing that they did, allowing him out on bail until his sentencing
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date.
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Is that like something they normally do?
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I mean, it's case by case, literally, but I just don't understand why if we truly believe
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that this person is guilty of such a violent and heinous crime that we're letting them out
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on bail.
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Right.
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Right.
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In this case, it's like, well, I'm glad that Titus was out because he's so clearly was not guilty,
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but my God, can you imagine in a different situation like that would just feel horrific?
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Yeah, because they thought he was.
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Yeah.
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I mean, yeah.
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Yeah, wow.
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Yeah.
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The two-week continuance granted by the judge to his defense was of small comfort to
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Steve, his family, or his counsel.
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And on top of it, the judge was none too pleased to be allowing it, but he had conceded.
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So like, he grants it, but he isn't even like happy that he's fine.
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While Steve remained a free man out on bail in the lead up to sentencing, he reached out
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to Paul Henderson of the Seattle Times and asked him to investigate the case.
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Oh, Paul was apprehensive at first.
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So this dude's a pretty serious journalist.
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He wasn't going to write a nickel ad for Steve without doing his due diligence, like he's
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a real investigative journalist.
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He agreed to review Steve's case to see what he could produce.
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They both agreed that their interactions would be transparent.
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The first time Paul caught Steve in a lie, he'd be out.
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Makes sense.
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Seems fair.
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He would be equally transparent about whether his findings indicated Steve was innocent or guilty.
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Also fair.
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Steve also obtained a new defense attorney, Jeff Jones, who argued for an additional 60-day
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stay on sentencing.
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So I think it's worth stating that neither Steve nor his new revamped council seemed to
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harbor any ill will against his previous attorney.
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It's just that I don't think they felt that Steve's conviction came about through any wrongdoing
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on the defense team, you know, on the defense's part.
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But it did seem like saving Steve from the slamer might require something from a new bag
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of tricks at this stage.
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Because we're at sentencing now.
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So it's kind of, I mean, you're pitch-hitting, you're really just trying to, you're hoping
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for a Hail Mary.
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Both Paul Henderson and Jeff Jones worked doggedly alongside Steve, who had already proven
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himself relentless in the pursuit of proving his innocence.
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The following motions have been filed in a mad-dash effort to help Steve, even if only
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to lessen a terrible blow.
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So number one was they wanted to overturn the verdict based on insufficient evidence.
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Number two, they would like a new trial on the grounds of new evidence.
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And number three of all else failed.
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Yeah, same season.
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Then on May 15, 1981, Paul Henderson's first piece in the series about Steve Titus' case
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dropped, showing there were significant inconsistencies in the body of evidence.
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And in some respects, presented what they believed was new information or evidence.
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Now I think I'm going to explain this a little bit further down, but I think it bears repeating.
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So I'm just going to say what we as laymen or even as an investigative journalist might
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consider new information or evidence might be very different than the legal definition.
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So bear that in mind.
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Okay.
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So here's a bit of what Paul Henderson uncovered through the course of his research and interviews,
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which spoiler alert all seemed to be far more thorough than the work done by law enforcement
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involved in the case.
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One dude in particular.
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There was a block of tent plates beginning with similar digits that were issued at the
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same time in different counties in the area.
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Take the 667 block in particular.
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Roughly 1,000 plates had been issued in Benton County in September that year.
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So that's a lot of plates with, you know, essentially like half of their digits are going
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to be the same.
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Yeah.
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Finally 25 car dealerships received a block of 677 plates in Pierce County also in September.
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So there's a ton of vehicles that would have had some variation of the digits that the
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victim described as seen.
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That wasn't as evident as we'd all kind of maybe been led to believe or as we'd hoped initially.
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The journalist also timed out the series of events attempting to recreate that evening
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for the purposes of either proving or disproving Steve's involvement.
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So he's running through the entire timeline.
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Using a stopwatch, he timed several aspects of the timeline.
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Titus had been wearing all dark clothing, his family confirmed.
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So the complete opposite of what the attacker had been wearing.
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Oh, we talked about the wardrobe malfunction.
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Yeah.
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Like the cream on cream.
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Yeah, it's a cream or ivory hue.
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There were just too many aspects of the case that didn't make sense or prove really anything,
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but specifically didn't prove that Steve Titus was the guilty party.
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While there was little evidence pointing to Steve, it wouldn't be enough to sway the
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judge right out the gate.
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His rag-tag-bunch had to keep digging.
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The port police had taken a swatch of the vehicle's material from one of the front seats.
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So from his company car, they took a swatch of the fabric.
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Oh my god.
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Was it a company car?
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Oh, yeah.
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I don't remember that part.
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Oh, yeah.
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We talked about that because he worked for Iverse.
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Oh, I probably was like, oh, I remember.
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I remember.
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You forgot.
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Wow.
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Yeah.
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So here's the interesting part.
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They go to the trouble of taking that sample of the upholstery, but it was never presented
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in court.
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Why?
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Because it didn't match.
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Literally, that was my next in my notes.
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It says, why?
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Why?
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But what'd you do?
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Yeah.
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One might speculate because it would have been damning to the prosecution's case.
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And if you did so, guess, you would be very correct.
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The victim had stated that she knew the material from the vehicle.
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It was either the war or another soft material on the interior because she'd rested her face
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against it during the attack.
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Yeah.
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She would know.
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As Mona would point out to Paul Henderson, what woman wouldn't be able to feel the difference
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between the lure and vinyl, which happened to be the material inside Steve's company
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car on your face.
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You can't tell the difference between the lure and vinyl.
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You know?
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Yeah.
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She's just a woman, so probably not.
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Yeah.
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Okay.
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But women are pretty, like we notice colors and fabric and things.
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Just generally speaking.
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There's real broad strokes with this one, but like, because men don't, women certainly
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probably don't.
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Oh, yeah.
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That's a good argument.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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And I thought would be a thing if they can't do it.
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Yeah.
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That's true.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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They're like, I mean, it's blue.
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What else do you want?
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Yeah.
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Steve would go on to assert that the victim's testimony was that her attacker had struggled to
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recline the seat during the attack.
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However, in his company vehicle, he demonstrated that the lever was smooth and easy to use in his
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vehicle.
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Hmm.
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Like suspiciously easy because it's basically a brand new car.
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Like, these are not the same vehicles, guys.
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Like if you haven't gotten onto that yet.
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And I get that that seems maybe kind of flimsy or circumstantial, but though Henderson
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had anticipated being Stonewalled, the chief actually shared that he had held some reservations
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or concerns about the detective involved in this case.
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Ron Parker now seemed a very dubious character in the story.
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No.
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Yeah.
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He'd had some issues with a supervisor.
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Well, there wasn't anything that seemed like a smoking gun.
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It kind of raised, you know, some concerns.
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The chief told Henderson that he would assign someone to look into Ron Parker's conduct.
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By bringing his concerns to the chief and the prosecutor's office, Paul Henderson had
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convinced both legs of the system to investigate further, delaying Steve sentencing for another
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two weeks.
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Wow.
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Keeps getting delayed.
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Yeah.
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It's a big fucking deal though.
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Yeah.
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When Henderson spoke to Ron Parker, the detective, he said he was absolutely positive of Steve
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Titus' guilt.
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Whereas his statement to the DA didn't indicate nearly so much confidence.
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So the detective is like himself very wishy-washy, even in internal communications.
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Hmm.
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Not not not great sign.
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Not great.
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No.
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Something about the conversation set Paul Henderson off.
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He's an investigative journalist, so he felt confident that the man was, shall we say,
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disingenuous, probably trying to leverage the case somehow for a promotion.
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Imagine that.
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Which is so sick.
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It really is.
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Both the victim and Ron Parker had indicated that a brown document envelope or folder had
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been on the backseat of the attacker's vehicle.
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But none was ever documented in evidence from Titus' car.
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The original inventory and photos taken at the time when they searched his vehicle were
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also misplaced at some point.
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Okay.
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So this item that has been seen in the vehicle of the attacker is not present in Steve Titus'
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vehicle allegedly, but also we lost the photos, so who could really say?
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Oh God.
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What's the problem?
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Henderson discovered though, Steve Titus had gone to Pains to relay what he had done minute
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to minute on the date in question.
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It would come to light that none of his alibi witnesses had even been interviewed.
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Furthermore, Ron Parker had driven the victim to trial.
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Investigators had protested that, of course, those in the vehicle, too, and from the trial.
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Well, I mean, they didn't discuss the subject at the case at the time.
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Nothing improper to see here, of course.
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Henderson was highly skeptical to put it mildly, and frankly, the attitude of law enforcement
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involved in the case was really starting to piss him off.
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Particularly since, at the time, he had just spoken to a highly emotional Mona as she confessed
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she was concerned that Steve might take his own life in light of what he was facing,
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which she already knew to be a very real threat.
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Henderson was worried that though there were many glaring inconsistencies in the story and
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the evidence presented by the prosecution, it wouldn't be enough to keep Steve Titus
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out of prison.
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Which is a horrible thing.
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It's a horrible sentence.
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Like, they don't have enough evidence, but that might not be enough.
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Henderson, the aging retired carpenter, battling cancer, even provided his journal to Henderson
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in a bid to help the case if he could.
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So remember, this is the person who lives over there by the airport where it's like he's
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the only person left that hasn't sold his property.
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And he's the one that is with the victim on the night of her attack.
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He's the one that, you know, it's his home from which they're calling 911.
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So I mean, the fact that he's really trying to do everything he can, it's like he would
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have every reason to want the right person to be held responsible for the crime, right?
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But like the fact that it seems like he doesn't believe that it was Steve, I feel like that,
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I don't know.
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To me, that feels like it speaks volumes.
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Yeah.
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I don't know.
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But it didn't really become a smoking gun to help the defense per se.
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I still think this speaks volumes, which was my next sentence of my notes and I of course
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was like, I have to tell you this.
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This is how I feel.
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It speaks all the volumes.
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So many volumes.
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So many volumes and so many smoking gum.
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Yes.
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Oh, Marga.
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Marga.
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The victim said it took her 30 minutes to make her way to Liston's house from the crime scene.
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And this is where the timing comes back.
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Stopwatch.
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Okay.
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So Paul Henderson and he had somebody come out and help him with it.
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They timed it twice.
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It took him three minutes and eight minutes respectively.
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The prosecution argued that even though they were proving an inconsistency in the timeline
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that was being presented by the prosecution, they said, no, no, it's not considered new evidence,
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which is like, how you mean?
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What do you consider new evidence then?
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Well, the law didn't permit the judge to order a new trial unless new evidence was discovered
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that could not have been previously discovered through reasonable efforts prior to his trial.
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Many other lawyers and legal experts issued similar warnings.
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Steve's case needed something more and I'm going to explain.
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Okay.
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And they were right.
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The judge argued that Steve and his defense counsel should have done the timing exercises
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while the trial was still going.
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So his prior to, we're now in the sentencing phase, his previous attorney should have gone
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out there and done the timing exercises or Steve should have.
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But like, it's not Steve's.
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Who's responsible for the evidence?
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Is it not the police?
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So in this case, if you expect to the, well, I call him a victim because he asked that
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you expect the defendant to go and like find all the evidence they need.
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I mean, there is, there is a little bit of an onus on the defense team to, you know, put
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together whatever information they can that presents a case that their client's innocent.
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However, obviously we, I think most of us understand that our system is supposed to
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be set up that the burden of proof falls on the state.
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A.K.A, the prosecution team, A.K.A, also not Steve and his lawyer.
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But this seems to a little bit fly in the face of that because they're like, this is essentially
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this, nothing changed.
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Nothing has changed about the facts of the case.
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This isn't new forensic evidence.
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This isn't a change to someone's testimony per se.
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If you didn't believe the timeline to fit in the first place and you wanted to do this
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exercise to prove it, you should have done it because the timeline that was presented
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by the prosecution is exactly what we're discussing.
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Nothing's changed and it's so mad at thing.
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It's like so okay.
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So just go back in time and I get what they're saying.
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But like also Steve shouldn't be.
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Why is that burden on him and his defense team?
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I mean maybe his defense team but like he doesn't have any control over that.
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He's not a lawyer.
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It should.
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No.
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If he didn't do that, he should be allowed to have a new, his new defense do it.
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Right.
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I do think that like in a way, this is like, well, this is something different that they've
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discovered.
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It's maybe not strictly speaking new evidence.
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But you know, if it wasn't presented by his defense counsel in the first place, I, we
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could be here for a while.
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Got to go.
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So as predicted, the judge didn't order a new trial.
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But for his efforts, Steve's new counsel was gifted another week so they just keep getting
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continuances.
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Which, thank God.
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On June 8, Titus was to be sentenced.
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And Steve had show many supporters and in fact, a defense fund was set up.
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Oh.
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Him and his family have like literally, they put everything that they have into this.
28:35
Yeah, that's right.
28:36
Steve was spending every spare moment doing whatever he could for the case and they spent
28:41
like every nickel and dime they had.
28:45
Logo law enforcement was implored to look into any cases that had a similar M.O.
28:52
Because this is how you find new evidence.
28:55
It seems this is one area where Henderson may have proved instrumental.
29:01
I would argue it's one of maybe couple.
29:05
He hoped there would be another victim that might remember something that would somehow
29:10
help Steve.
29:12
But honestly, in the 11th hour, it kind of seemed like a long shot.
29:17
However, Henderson would receive a call from a sergeant volunteer after he found another
29:24
case with an essentially identical M.O.
29:29
The 15 year old victim stated that on October 6, 1980, she was assaulted by a man aged 25
29:38
to 30.
29:39
The victim's name was Julie Whitehurst and her attack had occurred in an abandoned driveway
29:46
in the airport woods on 22nd Avenue, South.
29:52
The man had reddish brown hair and drove a light blue compact car.
29:58
Okay.
30:00
He'd given her some story about stopping to see his sister Liz before assaulting her at
30:07
knife point.
30:11
A detective was headed to Tacoma with a photo montage to see who she identified.
30:17
The officer warned Henderson that if Steve Titus was identified, he could be facing additional
30:23
charges.
30:24
But if not, it could be enough to see a turnaround in his case.
30:30
As luck would have it, Steve Titus was working on the date of her attack.
30:37
He thought his time card might potentially provide an alibi for him in connection with
30:43
this latest case that had been discovered.
30:46
Oh, okay, I see.
30:49
And it's not just like, oh, he punches in on the clock and there's a little bit more to
30:57
it.
30:59
In Tuck Willa, Steve Titus is now ex-employer allowed Paul Henderson to review his records.
31:06
On the date in question, he'd been driving in the Seattle metro area, which doesn't seem
31:10
like it would vindicate him, at least on the surface.
31:14
But for that date, he had a signature log and time stamped receipts that provided him
31:21
an airtight alibi for Julie's assault.
31:24
Oh, snap.
31:25
Oh, snap.
31:27
Perhaps the most illuminating detail to come to light.
31:30
Honestly, a real bombshell was that Steve Titus had not received the light blue chavette
31:38
as his company vehicle until the better part of a week later.
31:43
He didn't even have that card when she was attacked.
31:47
Bitches.
31:48
Yeah.
31:49
This new fact-gathering session seemed to indicate that it couldn't have been Steve Titus that
31:54
attacked Julie.
31:56
While she reviewed the photo array, she didn't give Titus' picture even a second glance,
32:03
according to Ballinger.
32:04
Did they make it match the others this time?
32:06
You know, I think they were a little bit more careful about that the second go around.
32:10
Go figure.
32:11
They took off all the emojis and the arrows.
32:18
Titus' new attorney, Jeff Jones, had been hired to pursue an appeal of Steve's conviction.
32:24
And with the help of our new favorite investigative journalist, he was finally able to convince the
32:29
trial judge to grant a new trial based upon evidence developed in a large part by, or
32:36
at the very least, in cooperation with Paul Henderson.
32:40
He had argued that Steve Titus' previous trial attorney had been ambushed in the courtroom
32:46
by various testimony that was in direct conflict with evidence contained in the port of Seattle
32:53
Police Investigative Reports.
32:55
That was a really long sentence.
32:58
I know.
32:59
Well, it was actually a few sentences, but...
33:01
So in the original case, they were what?
33:04
Okay, so what happened was basically when they got to trial, Steve Titus' attorney is
33:11
ambushed by the fact that they've all of a sudden made changes to evidence that they're
33:17
presenting.
33:18
Isn't that like what you...
33:20
Yeah, you can't do that.
33:22
How do you say when you're a lawyer?
33:24
Right.
33:25
I object.
33:26
Objects.
33:27
Objects on.
33:28
Objects on.
33:29
Well, here's the button.
33:30
Right.
33:31
Cassie is lewiring so hard today.
33:34
Yeah, you guys...
33:35
I don't know.
33:36
You can't do that.
33:37
I'm not supposed to do that.
33:39
Can't lawyer?
33:40
No, you can't lawyer.
33:41
You actually should lawyer.
33:44
You should lawyer so hard.
33:45
So why didn't that happen?
33:49
Tell me now.
33:50
Yeah, you know, I'm going to...
33:52
I'm going to tell you some more things, okay?
33:54
Julie's case was discovered as a result of good police work by a local municipal police
34:00
officer who had been reading the news articles about the case and that led to the exploration
34:07
of a news aspect.
34:09
Woo!
34:10
Good police work.
34:12
I know.
34:13
We should try it sometime.
34:17
The judge declared the verdict null and void.
34:20
Oh, okay.
34:22
It took me a second.
34:23
I know.
34:24
Like the lawyer was saying, yeah.
34:25
He was granting Steve a new trial and you're going, this is so funny because which Steve
34:30
did not seem to quite grasp initially.
34:33
That is until his new defense counsel turned to him and said, we got it.
34:38
We won.
34:39
Oh.
34:40
Kind of like I just did.
34:41
Yes.
34:42
But he was like, wait, wait, wait, wait.
34:43
Is this real?
34:44
Is this the time?
34:45
Yeah.
34:46
Well, you know, in courtrooms sometimes the legal proceedings are like, you know, it's
34:51
like trying to read a 50 page contract, you know.
34:56
Steve and spectators alike reacted first in stun silence and thereafter many developed
35:04
into very gregarious displays of approval.
35:08
Wow.
35:09
Yay.
35:10
Is the, I forget her name, the first girl who was raped.
35:16
Celia.
35:17
Celia was like her and her family there like no idea.
35:21
I don't know if they ever like many statements because I imagine that is that would be very
35:26
really hard on that.
35:28
Yeah.
35:29
Yeah.
35:30
I'm going to move on.
35:31
Okay.
35:32
Okay.
35:33
Many present had already come to the conclusion that an innocent and truly decent man had
35:38
been nearly completely railroaded by the justice system.
35:44
It was just two days after Titus' victory made the news that 17 year old Liza Chimino was hitchhiking
35:53
from Ernie's gas station near the Kent exit on Highway 18.
35:58
Oh no.
35:59
She was picked up in a black vehicle by a driver with light colored hair.
36:05
At 116 he turned suddenly, claiming that he needed to relieve himself.
36:11
Unfortunately, Liza was to become the next victim in a string of related sex crimes.
36:19
She was first orally-sautomized and then her attacker raped her.
36:25
The horror of just one of these acts is almost too much to bear but the combination of being
36:31
compelled to engage with someone attacking you in both of these extremely intimate ways
36:40
in forceable.
36:42
It's just night.
36:43
It's nightmarfew.
36:44
Yeah.
36:45
I cannot.
36:46
Ashant.
36:47
Ash.
36:48
We shall move on.
36:53
The real stunner was that this latest crime had essentially taken place in Steve Titus'
36:58
backyard.
36:59
Holy shit.
37:00
This blocks from his apartment.
37:03
Now before you fall down the wrong rabbit hole, I'll tell you this had investigators in
37:08
a real tizzy too.
37:10
But maybe not for the reason you think.
37:15
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37:18
If they use this to somehow justify that he actually is the rapist, I am going to lose
37:25
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They couldn't help but wonder.
39:00
Was someone really dumping their latest victim in his backyard?
39:06
What this brazen douche nozzle failed to take into account, whether that was intentional
39:11
or not, was that police were already on to him.
39:15
Ooh.
39:16
They were like nice try loser.
39:20
An investigator took a photo lineup from a previous drive away gas theft to the latest
39:28
victim, Liza, in the hospital.
39:31
She picked out not Steve Titus almost instantly.
39:39
Yeah.
39:41
Just it wasn't him.
39:43
Really want to emphasize.
39:45
Well, almost don't even care who she picked out, because it just wasn't Steve.
39:50
Yeah.
39:51
Let me make that abundantly clear.
39:54
I know we're all shocked.
39:58
Podcast.
39:59
What?
40:00
I did not.
40:01
This is brand new information.
40:05
The man's name was Edward Lee King, and it was far from his first offense.
40:14
One viewing Edward Lee King's photo, Celia Dalton, obviously another one of the victims, who
40:21
had identified Titus in a faulty photo array began to cry and said, "Oh my God, what have
40:28
I done to Mr. Titus?"
40:30
Oh, poor baby, you didn't do anything.
40:34
It's not your fault.
40:37
So if you're wondering what the hell it was, finally convinced the judge to overturn Titus'
40:41
conviction and dismiss the charges against him, well, there you go.
40:47
They were like, "Hmm, looking like it's maybe this other dude."
40:53
Did the attacker do it like, "No, all this is going down and did on purpose?"
40:59
You know, it's something that's speculated about, but I don't know that they've ever really
41:03
like conclusively.
41:04
Because I don't know that they can prove that that's the case, but that's what they think.
41:10
Yeah.
41:11
Well, that just seems like, is this guy trying?
41:15
Like, is he trying to lead them back to Titus?
41:18
Like, what the fuck?
41:19
I mean, I would if I was following something that I knew that I had committed and something
41:23
like, was about to get off for it.
41:26
Yeah, I really liked it better when he was going to be convicted for my crime.
41:31
Yeah.
41:32
That was so cool.
41:34
Though he was no longer facing the same awful potential legal consequences of recent
41:39
memory.
41:40
Steve Titus stated that he had lost everything.
41:45
His legal battle had cost him very dearly, literally.
41:50
He said, "I lost my fiance because I spent so much time dwelling on this, and I've changed."
41:57
No.
41:58
Mona?
42:00
Yeah.
42:01
No.
42:02
I'm not the person she knew.
42:06
I lost my job.
42:08
My family lost their savings.
42:10
$9,000.
42:11
I owe $3,000 to my attorney.
42:17
Some good news in a case that has overwhelmingly few bright spots.
42:23
In 1982, Paul Henderson was awarded the Pulitzer Prize for his investigative reporting regarding
42:31
Titus' case.
42:32
Wow.
42:33
I know.
42:36
The man who suffered the most, Steve Titus, filed a $20 million lawsuit against the Port
42:42
of Seattle alleging wrongdoing that led to his wrongful conviction.
42:48
Please tell me he won.
42:50
Something.
42:51
Oh, wow.
42:53
The lawsuit accused Port of Seattle officer Ronald A. Parker of Gross Negligence.
43:02
And intentional disregard for his constitutional rights.
43:07
Sounds about right.
43:08
Yep.
43:09
Which seems like the most accurate understatement I've ever heard, actually.
43:15
Steve Titus sadly did not live to see the end of his legal battles.
43:23
He died of a heart attack on February 2, 1985, while that case was still pending.
43:31
I don't like you.
43:34
I know.
43:35
The man was in his mid-30s.
43:37
He had a heart attack because of all this shit.
43:41
Yeah, probably.
43:45
But doing the tango with the criminal justice system probably takes one hell of a toll on innocent
43:51
man.
43:52
I would argue probably also guilty, but I care less about them.
43:56
It is so sad.
43:58
Yeah.
43:59
Yeah.
44:00
I want to think that life was just like, let's just give this man a redo.
44:05
Because I believe in reincarnation, whatever if you don't.
44:08
But maybe they were just like, let's just like give them another go around.
44:13
Like this was a really shitty turn.
44:16
Yeah.
44:17
Yeah.
44:18
Yeah.
44:19
Several months later, the lawsuit was settled out of court.
44:25
And his teenage son, Ken Titus, was awarded 2.8 million in damages on behalf of his father.
44:34
2.8 million dollars.
44:37
Like in 1985.
44:39
Yeah, that's a lot.
44:41
That's a lot of money.
44:43
But very deserved.
44:44
I'm glad that someone was available.
44:48
I'm glad that someone was able to get it and like he didn't just pass with no relatives
44:53
able to get something.
44:55
God.
44:56
Money doesn't fix everything.
44:58
No.
44:59
My God.
45:00
No, I'm sure this 2.8 million dollars at any point in history, like there's no amount of money
45:07
that's going to give this kid his father back.
45:10
And it's horrific.
45:13
So Steve Titus, in his mid 30s, dies prior to the end of his civil rights trial.
45:21
The investigator who helped him also dies pretty young too.
45:27
Okay.
45:28
Yeah.
45:29
Really weird.
45:30
He also passed away in his granted early 40s, but due to a heart attack.
45:36
Also.
45:37
Okay.
45:38
Hmm.
45:39
What's in the water?
45:40
Paul Henderson, the badass investigative journalist, passed away on December 7th, 2016.
45:48
It was like it was also due to a heart attack.
45:51
I don't know.
45:52
Kind of weird.
45:53
What?
45:54
It is a really common cause of death.
45:56
So I'm going to try not to be like, you know, too weird about it, but I don't like it.
46:03
So here's the other thing though.
46:05
Hilarious little joke in there at the end of this.
46:10
So I presume it was that year's election that took a toll on him.
46:13
But who can say?
46:14
Oh, oh.
46:15
Perfection.
46:16
Oh, my.
46:17
What happened then?
46:18
I don't even know.
46:19
Cassie.
46:20
2016?
46:21
2016.
46:22
That was too long ago to remember what happened.
46:25
Cassie.
46:26
Cassie.
46:27
Who was elected president in 2016?
46:28
I don't know.
46:29
She's refusing to acknowledge it.
46:31
Okay.
46:32
I was like, she doesn't know.
46:33
Doesn't she?
46:34
No.
46:35
Honey.
46:36
Obama.
46:37
Obama.
46:38
Come back.
46:39
Hillbima.
46:40
You're in mama.
46:42
This is Obama.
46:44
Come back.
46:45
Edward Lee King pleaded guilty to two counts of first degree rape while armed with a deadly
46:53
weapon in King County, as well as three additional counts of the same charge in Snohomish
46:59
County.
47:00
He was sentenced to a maximum term of 20 years on each count.
47:05
Good.
47:06
We're just like only like a hundred years.
47:08
So you think Charlhead get out eventually.
47:13
No, but I was like, do you think they went a little harder on him with the sentencing because
47:17
they got it on the first time?
47:19
Don't you feel like kind of like nothing he doesn't deserve it?
47:23
Oh, yeah.
47:24
But like the temptation is at least there.
47:25
Yeah.
47:26
I'm just saying.
47:27
The trial courts ordered that the two King County counts run consecutively and that the
47:34
three Snohomish County counts also run consecutively, but that the latter be concurrent
47:42
to the King County counts, which I love when the justice system finds a way to not so
47:47
subtly say to an evil fuck like this.
47:50
Yeah, I wouldn't ever count on touching grass outside prison walls again.
47:55
What is the concurrent mean when sentences run concurrently, defendants serve all the
48:01
sentences at the same time?
48:05
Consecutive sentences mean the defendants have to finish serving the sentence for one
48:12
offense before they start serving the sentence for any other offenses.
48:18
So they were basically like, okay, so like we'll group those two King County ones together,
48:23
we'll group two out of the three in Snohomish County together, but they'll be consecutive
48:30
my dude.
48:32
So they found a way to basically sentence him to, you know, a bajillion years.
48:36
I don't like that they grouped any of them together.
48:38
No, I know.
48:39
Just keep it rolling.
48:41
That's the only fair way to me.
48:44
Initially, the facility where he was sent, the staff was pretty impressed with him, but
48:52
eventually they would become wary.
48:55
Because he basically got sent to one of the mental facilities somehow.
49:01
This is a thing that we did a lot in the 80s, wild times.
49:06
Okay.
49:07
And he was first eligible for work release.
49:12
Why?
49:15
His only alternative being sent back to prison, the majority of the staff was ultimately
49:20
leaning towards prison.
49:23
His lack of affect was unnerving to many of them as it would be.
49:29
You could only fake it until you make it for so long.
49:33
And you know, arguably so well.
49:36
Being participated in the program for nearly three years, and it was specifically a program
49:42
that was developed aimed at violent sexual offenders.
49:47
Okay.
49:51
Completing all ten steps of the program.
49:54
But I guess he skipped over whatever step was designed to make his rehabilitation believable
49:58
to a trained eye.
50:00
Good.
50:01
Yeah.
50:02
That's the bullet there.
50:05
Eventually they brought in an expert to assess him.
50:10
Enter Irwin S. Dry Blatt.
50:12
I would hope that they would bring in an expert to assess a criminal of this nature.
50:20
Yes.
50:21
One might dare to dream.
50:24
The evaluation that he performed revealed that Steve had a very serious personality disturbance.
50:34
He was egotistical and immature with very limited coping skills.
50:40
This expert found the lack of empathy and tendency toward aggression that he exhibited
50:45
very troubling.
50:48
Three years into the program, this clever offender had intellectually internalized aspects of the
50:54
program, but was hardly a patient to present as a measure of success because it didn't
51:01
seem like he really believed in or embraced it.
51:06
He could intellectually understand that this is what I need to do and these are the principles
51:13
but he wasn't drinking the cool aid.
51:16
Yeah.
51:17
That makes sense.
51:18
He was just saying what they wanted to hear.
51:20
Yes.
51:21
Exactly.
51:22
Because there's more fake it until you make it.
51:23
They're telling them exactly what they want them to be.
51:26
So it's not that hard to fake it.
51:29
But obviously you have to.
51:30
You have to be good at it.
51:32
Faking it.
51:33
Right.
51:34
To make it.
51:35
Yeah.
51:36
The danger he presented to the public if ever released was difficult to quantify.
51:42
But ultimately, the specialist recommendation was that he should be kept in custody for the
51:47
remainder of his life, stating that work released was ill-advised.
51:54
Gee, you think?
51:57
Even the animals agree.
52:00
And they don't have thumbs.
52:03
The diagnosis included the following.
52:07
Some of which are highly disturbing terms.
52:10
Perifilia, atypical rape, alcohol and drug abuse disorder, and endisotional personality.
52:20
Furthermore, it was suggested that he should be incarcerated for the maximum allowable sentence.
52:27
You know, aka the remainder of his life.
52:32
They were like, yeah, go ahead and then you can definitely send him to jail.
52:36
Okay.
52:37
So in February 1986, the staff at, this is the State Hospital, reported to the court that
52:45
although he had completed the program, King was not safe to be at large, had received
52:51
the maximum benefit of treatment and should not be recommitted for further treatment.
52:56
They're like, listen, not only do we not like probably shouldn't get more released.
53:03
We know the only other option is for him to go to prison and we'd like to take that one.
53:08
Yeah.
53:09
Door number three.
53:10
I'd listen to that one for sure.
53:12
Yeah, and they're like, also, please don't send him back to us.
53:16
Just also in case that was unclear.
53:19
The King County Superior Court revoked his suspended sentences and reinstated the original
53:25
sentences in both King and Snut, Homish counties with credit for time served in the program
53:31
for all the good that will do him.
53:34
This case could have been three or four parts, but I'd originally intended on just one.
53:43
But by the time I got really needy been writing it, it became clear that it would not only
53:48
be much harder to try to smash everything into one episode, but it wouldn't be a service
53:54
to the storytelling in any way.
53:59
That said, I do have a super short expert.
54:02
I was like, what an expert.
54:06
You've a short expert.
54:07
I was talking about yourself.
54:10
Presenting.
54:11
Anyways, I have a super, super short excerpt of additional info that I'm going to share
54:17
on Patreon, just related to the actual fuck nugget who did this bullshit.
54:24
I don't care.
54:26
I know, but there's some really interesting stuff.
54:28
And I have some really cool, some more information about Paul Henderson because he's actually like,
54:36
I mean, as investigative journalists go, he actually gets cooler.
54:41
He like did more awesome shit.
54:43
Wow.
54:44
Nice.
54:45
First, he, no, because he was already established as an investigator.
54:48
Yeah.
54:49
I mean, he was already established as a journalist, but this is his first prize award.
54:54
Yeah, I don't know if this was his first.
54:57
Okay.
54:58
I don't know.
54:59
That's all I'm going to say.
55:00
Okay.
55:01
I'm going to remain tight-lipped.
55:02
Any who's a Patreon.
55:03
Yeah.
55:04
So I had to cut some stuff from the regular episode that I'm going to share in a Patreon tiny
55:10
episode and some of it, I don't know how to feel, but.
55:16
Okay.
55:17
Yeah.
55:18
Should we tarot?
55:19
Yeah, let's do some tarot.
55:20
You've got a really pretty alter going today.
55:23
Okay.
55:24
All right.
55:25
We've arrived at the tarot portion.
55:35
Welcome to our tarot ASMR podcast.
55:45
Okay.
55:46
I'm going to lay out the cards and I'll have you help me pick.
55:51
Literally like the one you grabbed already.
55:54
That one.
55:55
This one?
55:56
Yeah.
55:57
Oh.
55:58
What is it?
55:59
Ooh.
56:00
Ooh.
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Wow.
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What is it?
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The Wheel of Fortune.
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A beautiful card in this deck.
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It's really funny because the alter we set up had to do with like Fortune.
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Yeah, it did.
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I was like, was it feeling the vibes of the alter or is it feeling the vibes of the story?
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Because they're kind of different.
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I mean, yeah.
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I feel like this is sort of like a money bowl type of a setup, which we're doing for
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a specific reason because of the timing of when we're recording.
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But also I feel like for Titus, it makes sense.
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For like the Titus case, it sort of makes sense.
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Like, I hope that our efforts pay off in a more timely fashion than his thing.
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Yeah.
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But it ultimately did get not like, I guess kind of justice.
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Yeah.
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I mean, even though he wasn't around.
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Right.
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And it fucked up my entire life.
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Yeah.
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It's been passed.
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Just really depressing stuff.
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I know, but he didn't get put away.
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But yeah, so the wheel of Fortune isn't one that we've had very often.
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So I can't exactly remember.
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We've gotten it for like our business reading.
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Okay.
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Wheel of Fortune.
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Yeah.
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We still have this fortune.
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Hmm.
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Number 10.
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Okay.
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So, and we do have this in the upright.
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Oh, our keywords are change destiny, unexpected turn of events, and good luck.
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Well, debatable.
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Some decks depict the wheel of Fortune with eight spokes, a reference to the eight pagan
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sabbaths or holidays that mark the sun's annual passage across the sky and ever turning
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cycles of life.
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I feel like that's a kind of a good home and given kind of the ritual altar that we're
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kind of trying to do here.
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Yeah.
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Other decks show human or mythical figures attached to the wheel, indicating we're all tied
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to the wheel of time and subject to life's ups and downs, which I mean, that seems somewhat
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fitting here.
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But the writer, we Smith deck includes winged versions of astrological symbols, which represent
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the four elements in the cards corners, suggesting the influence of divine forces.
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Hmm.
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I felt like there had to be some sort of influence because it was looking real bad for
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all long time.
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Right?
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And then this angel of an investigative journalist comes along.
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Yeah.
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Oh my gosh, you're going to absolutely ship bricks.
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Okay.
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Consciously or unconsciously, you've put something in motion and you now have little or no control
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over the outcome.
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Oh gosh.
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Didn't it say that in our last?
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Like, it was the eight of wands or something.
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It said something very similar.
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Yeah.
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I think you're right.
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A new phase in your life is beginning.
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An important decision must be made or an upcoming circumstance will change your life.
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Destiny is at work and you have to accept whatever happens.
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All you can do is attune yourself to the forces operating now.
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Oh, wow.
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It's crazy.
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Yeah, the connection between the last card we drew for this case and this one.
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In the eight, it was eight of wands.
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I'm pretty sure.
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And then the right path.
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I think you're talking about like eight spokes of the wheel of them.
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Interesting.
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Yeah.
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Okay.
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I think I'll come back to the extra excerpt.
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All right.
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In the upright, it says, "A favorable outcome awaits you.
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Circumstances are changing for the better.
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Even if you aren't totally aware of what you've done to initiate the process."
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Oh, nothing.
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I know.
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Well, to make it better, I think.
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You've started the ball rolling or rather the wheel turning.
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Don't resist.
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These changes will promote growth and bring valuable learning experiences for you.
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It can be hard to stay balanced, but go with the flow and trust the process.
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Yikes.
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Okay.
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In a reading about money, this card heralds good fortune.
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Come in your way as a result of what you've already put into motion.
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Perhaps through a stroke of good luck, your finances improve.
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Seize opportunities that present themselves.
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Yikes.
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Okay.
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I mean, someone's finances improved over terrible circumstances, but it's not untrue.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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I mean, yikes.
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Okay.
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If the reading is about your job, you may get a lucky break.
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Unexpected turns of events are likely, such as meeting new people who can help you or receiving
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an offer out of the blue.
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Although this may appear fortuitous, it's all part of the grand plan for your life.
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In a reading about love, a new romance may begin or an existing relationship may improve.
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Even if you don't think you've done anything to make that happen, the time is right for change.
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Enjoy it.
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It just makes me sad.
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What if he would have lived and what if they got back together someday and came back around
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him and Mona?
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I know.
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It's a romance story level bullshit, but you never know.
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I know.
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They did remain close.
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Yeah.
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Good.
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Yeah.
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I mean, this is all in a very, if you think about it, I mean, this is all in a relatively condensed
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time frame.
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This didn't happen over decades or any, you know, it's, wow.
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Okay.
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I'm going to come back to the extra excerpt.
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The Wheel of Fortune is linked to the three faiths, collectively called the Morai in Greek
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mythology.
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One spins the thread of life, the second weaves it, and the third cuts it.
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This The Wheel of Fortune is a reminder of the mysterious cycles of life, death and rebirth.
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Oh my gosh.
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Rebirth.
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I know.
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And one of the invisible forces that measure them out to each of us.
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I was kind of crazy that I talked about, like maybe he died soon because the world was
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like, you've been through some shit already.
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Let's like, yeah, like do over.
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Give you a nice life next time or something.
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I just like want to hope that that.
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Oh, here's hoping, right?
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I know.
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Steve.
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Oh.
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Well, you want to know something else kind of crazy.
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Yeah.
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So we originally had this, I can't, what was it called, the shell?
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She, but I shell?
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Yeah.
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Yeah, I think you're right.
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So we had this on the altar.
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So it is a snail shell, basically.
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And then this wheel of fortune is has a black turban snail on it.
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This little picture on here.
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And it has like the same little curly, cute thing.
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It was like, hey, bitch, you should have left that on the altar.
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I guess we just thought it was getting a little crowded.
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And we're like, well, yeah, put this in the next one.
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But it was like, we take it.
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I get this is for this one.
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So it's there now.
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I got that out of a farmer's market this weekend on a little crystal stand where I
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would like, I'm, I'm, I only have $5.
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I'm just going to buy something if I find something from $5.
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And that was $5.
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I love it.
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I'll buy it.
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This says the same stuff about fate, chance, fortune, karma and justice.
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Yeah.
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A cycle reversal or revolution.
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Oh, reversal.
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Reversal.
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Reversal.
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Yeah.
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Interesting.
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Yeah.
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It did.
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I was thinking about like the time too.
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And it's like, you know, so much time that you had to spend.
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They were talking about like his sentencing, like how much time he would get.
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Yeah.
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Okay.
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I'm going to read this because it's like not even a page.
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Okay.
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The wheel turns and the snail cannot stop it.
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They cannot steer it or slow it or adjust its course in any way.
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They are long for the ride.
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They are powerless upon it.
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That is life.
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Mm.
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Attacked by they know not what.
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They climbed the rocky slope.
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They retreated into their shell.
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Desperate.
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They sacrifice their foot.
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Detached it.
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Huh.
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Paid it as toll for continued existence.
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With nothing to secure it, their shell began rolling like a die cast down the slope.
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Carrying them to safety or demise.
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They're fate tied to the turning of the wheel.
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Oh my gosh.
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Wow.
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Interesting.
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I do kind of like some of the, they feel like sort of like a fable in our Pacific Northwest
1:05:42
interpretation guide.
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Yeah.
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You know, it's like you, it gives us kind of some keywords and things, but it doesn't
1:05:50
go super in depth with those interpretations, but those little stories are really interesting.
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I love the stories.
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Yeah.
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Okay, I'll read you all what my whole shell thing is and it just you know, it's from
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SIG-FREED crystals.
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Oh.
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And I got it at the Bull Mountain Farmers Market at Cantibary Square.
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Interesting.
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No one invited me to go to the farmers market.
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Sorry.
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It was Mother's Day.
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Yeah, I was like, it was Mother's Day.
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I know I bought myself a gift on Mother's Day.
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I love that for you.
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I'm a great daughter.
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The Shiva Eye Shell has a number of meanings associated with it.
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The shell has ocean-like soothing, comforting and serene vibes that will bring sticky mouth.
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No, no.
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That will bring sticky mouth.
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That will bring peace of mind and relaxation.
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Shiva Eyes are polished, turbo-sea snail fossils which belong to the marine gastropod family.
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Oh, of course.
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This unique shell comes from the bottom part of the snail which you, which used it as a
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defense mechanism.
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So next episode of mine, I might nerd out about snails.
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Snails?
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Is cargo anyone?
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Oh, yeah, I don't know about that.
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I would never.
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I would never do it.
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Yeah.
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Oysters all day.
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Snails are just too cute.
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Yeah.
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Gary.
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Are you done yet?
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I'm so done.
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Okay.
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Are you done?
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I'm done.
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I got nothing left to talk about.
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Yeah.
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I just ran my mouth.
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Yeah, no.
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I will, we'll, we'll, we'll chat some more in the Patreon bonus.
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Oh, yeah.
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I'm good.
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Yeah.
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Come back for the Patreon bonus.
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Y'all.
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All right.
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Have a great day.
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Have a great day.
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Have a great day.
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Have a great day.
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Have a great day.
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See you next Tuesday.
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See you next Tuesday.
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See you next Tuesday.
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Unless you decide to get interviewed by the cops without a lawyer or get a lawyer or
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get a lawyer or get a lawyer.
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Or always get a lawyer.
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Even if you're innocent.
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Yeah.
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Probably especially if you're innocent.
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I run actually.
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But you know, if you're guilty, you don't need to get a lawyer.
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Yeah, actually, I really don't.
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I really don't want to get a lawyer because we don't want any mistrials for bad.
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Yeah, that's true.
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Okay, so everyone just get a lawyer.
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Probably just always get a lawyer.
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Actually, I think should we go call our lawyer right now?
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Yeah.
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Just do so.
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Okay.
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We're in the talk to the lawyer.
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Let's go do that.
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Okay.
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Bye.
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We need you to go hire a lawyer.
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[LAUGHS]
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Approach the Bay.
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Approach the Bay.
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[MUSIC PLAYING]
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It's Caitlin's Heist.
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Yeah.
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I said.
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Yeah.
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Wow, it was really high.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Maybe all lower that in post.
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Yeah.
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God help us.
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[LAUGHS]
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I'll see what I can do.
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[LAUGHS]
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Yeah.
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Yikes.
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I could be cute.
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Sound like a robot.
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Robot.
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As long as you make me sound like a skinny robot.
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[LAUGHS]
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You know?
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I'm going to punch you.
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Okay.
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