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WBC Thoughts, 26 Man Roster Questions, 6 Man Rotation? · Cardinal Territory: A St. Louis Cardinals Podcast

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  Speaker 1: We're gonna start with WBC talk right off the top here.
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  Speaker 1: to watch the WBC and MLB going forward. But Lance,
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  Speaker 1: what a game yesterday. The US is in the finals.
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  Speaker 1: Two heavy hitters clashed in the semi final. I think
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  Speaker 1: everybody going into it was probably looking forward to a
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  Speaker 1: USA Japan matchup again, just to see.
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  Speaker 2: How that would play out.
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  Speaker 1: I didn't realize that they couldn't be on the same
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  Speaker 1: side of the bracket. I saw somebody from another show
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  Speaker 1: say that from the get go, if they both made
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  Speaker 1: it through pool play, they had to be on opposite sides,
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  Speaker 1: which is interesting. But now I think the d are
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  Speaker 1: in US were probably playing some of the best baseball
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  Speaker 1: and maybe the most name heavy teams. What are your
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  Speaker 1: thoughts on that game last night?
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  Speaker 3: I thought it was a beautiful game.
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  Speaker 4: I think well pitched for the most part, well you
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  Speaker 4: have three solo homers was all the scoring. So uh,
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  Speaker 4: I thought, to be honest with these schemes, didn't throw
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  Speaker 4: the ball the way that I think that you know,
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  Speaker 4: you're used to seeing the mid season form. I think
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  Speaker 4: you know little, you know, mistakes with the high breaking
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  Speaker 4: ball for the home run, you know. But all in
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  Speaker 4: all is the you know, well defensive played, you know,
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  Speaker 4: well pitched, you know, a couple of solo home runs
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  Speaker 4: on the American side to help, you know, help win,
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  Speaker 4: especially coming from you know, kind of the younger guys, right,
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  Speaker 4: so that's huge for America. You see the younger guys
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  Speaker 4: stepping up and hitting home runs here, and it's not
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  Speaker 4: just the judges and the sharers and the harpers of
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  Speaker 4: the world. It's you know, it's the young, the young
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  Speaker 4: group coming through. And then, like you said, the two
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  Speaker 4: heavy hitters that are that are kind of left right,
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  Speaker 4: and then I think Venezuela will be the next one.
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  Speaker 4: But you know, we'll get into tonight. They're playing Italy,
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  Speaker 4: and Italy seems to beat everybody right now, so it's
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  Speaker 4: kind of wild to see how how it was breaking down.
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  Speaker 3: But all in all, I.
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  Speaker 4: Think, you know, Venezuela playing Japan and losing, you know,
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  Speaker 4: in that round, and then you know us playing the
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  Speaker 4: dr to you know, to advance on this side. I
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  Speaker 4: think it's like, all in all, been pretty fun and
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  Speaker 4: kind of lined up the way you kind of thought
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  Speaker 4: it would maybe except Japan winning.
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  Speaker 3: And being in that game tonight.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: You know, a really good point you have there about
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  Speaker 1: the young guys, you know, doing their thing. As I'm
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  Speaker 1: looking at the box score here, I don't know if
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  Speaker 1: you ever faced Room and Anthony, but I think that's
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  Speaker 1: a guy I didn't get a face towards the end
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  Speaker 1: of my career. You see what he's done. I know
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  Speaker 1: everybody in Boston and there's been some people around the
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  Speaker 1: league that have talked about how quality of a.
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  Speaker 2: Player he is.
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  Speaker 1: But man hitting three eighteen for the WBC with an
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  Speaker 1: ops over a thousand, you know that's going to be
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  Speaker 1: a player in a few years. That's going to be
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  Speaker 1: big for TEMs. Obviously Bobby with but he knows Bobby Witt.
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  Speaker 1: He's been acoring that lineup. You know, Kyle Schwarberz had
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  Speaker 1: a great one. But Gunner Henderson another guy you know
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  Speaker 1: you've I think you faced him obviously, I played with him,
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  Speaker 1: so we have a really good idea who he is.
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  Speaker 1: But man, he's another great player. Bryce ter Rain having
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  Speaker 1: a great tournament, and then you go to the bullpen.
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  Speaker 1: I think the bullpen is one thing that was a
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  Speaker 1: really really I was a huge for the win yesterday
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  Speaker 1: for the USA, but it's something that I had heard
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  Speaker 1: on maybe one on one ESPN here in Saint Louis,
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  Speaker 1: and then some other people talk about, how, man, how
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  Speaker 1: did the US not bring together a bullpen? You know,
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  Speaker 1: how did they not get some of the big names.
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  Speaker 1: But one Mason Miller has been phenomenal. Bednard yesterday, what
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  Speaker 1: a jim he got out of in that inning. Griffin
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  Speaker 1: Jacks if you haven't seen the Twins play, obviously he
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  Speaker 1: got traded, but Griffin Jacks has been one of the
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  Speaker 1: nastiest relievers in the game for the last few years,
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  Speaker 1: and his sweeper really kind of took off. And I
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  Speaker 1: mean it's a pitchy throw seventy to eighty percent of
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  Speaker 1: the time. I feel like Tyler Rogers, he's another guy
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  Speaker 1: who's been nasty for the Giants and now he's at
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  Speaker 1: the Blue Jay, so he was just added. But man,
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  Speaker 1: this bullpen really picked up, you know, four and two
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  Speaker 1: thirds of baseball against an all star lineup, and you know,
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  Speaker 1: really with a one run lead the entire time, I
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  Speaker 1: feel like they were kind of the MVP of yesterday's game.
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  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, definitely.
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  Speaker 4: And it's like, okay, but all those guys that you
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  Speaker 4: just named are are all started last year?
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  Speaker 3: Were they not?
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  Speaker 4: Pretty much? So it's like what else could you really bring?
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  Speaker 4: What else could you really bring to the table for
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  Speaker 4: a bullpen? So all in all, I think Bennard wasn't,
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  Speaker 4: but he's been an All Star in the past. So
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  Speaker 4: it's like when you're looking at the group they put together,
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  Speaker 4: they've they've put together a solid group. They know how
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  Speaker 4: they want to deploy them out of there. They did
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  Speaker 4: a great job yesterday like that, Like you said, that
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  Speaker 4: lineup is is one of the best that you could
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  Speaker 4: put together in the world. And then to be able
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  Speaker 4: to go through that like they've done. To be honest,
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  Speaker 4: both both sides pitch so well. There's only three runs
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  Speaker 4: scored with those two lineups. So you look at both
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  Speaker 4: sides the way they threw the ball to be three
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  Speaker 4: runs scored with those lineups. The pitching was was where
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  Speaker 4: it needed to be on both sides, and it was
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  Speaker 4: a fun game, you know, if you if you enjoy
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  Speaker 4: quality pitching and getting out of jams and and and
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  Speaker 4: then things of that nature. So I think, uh, you know,
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  Speaker 4: us obviously are in the spot they wanted to be.
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  Speaker 4: With a little hiccup from from Italy losing in their
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  Speaker 4: pool play. The dr did everything that you know, that
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  Speaker 4: they were expected to do all the way through. And
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  Speaker 4: then at this point in the in the in the tournament,
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  Speaker 4: it's say, who's gonna Who's gonna you know, hit hit
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  Speaker 4: the solo home run to win, or make the you know,
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  Speaker 4: the big swing with runners and on you know, on base,
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  Speaker 4: or make the big pitch.
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  Speaker 3: And us was able to do it last night.
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  Speaker 1: And and the guy that pitched the eighth inning, Garrett Whitlock.
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  Speaker 1: People are like Garrett Will Garrett Will, I had a
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  Speaker 1: two r last year. I mean, I think, uh, de
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  Speaker 1: Rosa and the guys, you know, put together a good bullpen.
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  Speaker 1: You know, I think, like you said, most of these
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  Speaker 1: guys have been all sorts of some point if they
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  Speaker 1: weren't last year, and they all pitched them all really
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  Speaker 1: really well. And then on the Dominican side, you know,
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  Speaker 1: one of the questions I saw was did Albert leave
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  Speaker 1: Severino in one guy too long and let him face Gunner?
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  Speaker 1: You know, I faced Gunner, the back door cutter that
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  Speaker 1: I think he hit the home run. Not a bad
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  Speaker 1: pitch to him. Gunner is a guy that is really
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  Speaker 1: disciplined on the strikes. On a three to two, you're
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  Speaker 1: going ball to strike, it's probably a good pitch. But
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  Speaker 1: for the heat that Drosa took over a couple of
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  Speaker 1: his decisions and obviously most notably thinking they were in
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  Speaker 1: I wonder what people kind of think about Albert, you know,
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  Speaker 1: letting Severino face that one extra guy instead of Now,
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  Speaker 1: maybe it didn't work out right. Soto gave up the
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  Speaker 1: homer to Anthony just right after it, But maybe you
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  Speaker 1: get Sodo in there kind of settled in and it
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  Speaker 1: might be a little bit different.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, or Soto could give up back to back home
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  Speaker 4: runs or home runs to both of the lefties when
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  Speaker 4: it comes down to it. So all in all, at
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  Speaker 4: this at this stage, you're you're kind of handcuffed on
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  Speaker 4: when your reliever can come in how many you know,
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  Speaker 4: I know it doesn't matter about building up these starting pitchers,
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  Speaker 4: but they're sent to you being taken care of to
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  Speaker 4: be also be building up for their season two, so
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  Speaker 4: they had a plan. Uh they you know, they were
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  Speaker 4: up until that point executing their plan. Okay, you made
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  Speaker 4: a three to two, Uh, pitch that went for a
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  Speaker 4: home run. Wasn't a terrible pitch, you know, that comes
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  Speaker 4: with a territory. But Severino up in that point haven't
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  Speaker 4: given up a run. So, oh, did he leave him
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  Speaker 4: in too long? Okay, yeah, that's it's easy to say
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  Speaker 4: now because he had home run. But up until that point,
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  Speaker 4: there was no runs on the board.
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  Speaker 3: So I think everything was played the way it was
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  Speaker 3: supposed to. You had to. You have to get your.
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  Speaker 4: Starters to that point, you know, where you're trying to
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  Speaker 4: get through that fourth fifth inning, and then you bring
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  Speaker 4: in your levers after that. So he was trying to
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  Speaker 4: stretch it to where he thought he was set up
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  Speaker 4: to go down to the you know, go to the
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  Speaker 4: end of the game and you know, maybe one one
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  Speaker 4: hit or too long. But I think so, you know,
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  Speaker 4: with the way he was throwing the ball, the where
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  Speaker 4: they were at in the line up, what they were
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  Speaker 4: trying to do. You know, you're trying to, you know,
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  Speaker 4: make sure you have enough. I guess The main thing
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  Speaker 4: in the WBC, and the way this stuff works out too,
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  Speaker 4: is you have to have your relievers someone have a
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  Speaker 4: clean inning or you might burn them. And you're trying
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  Speaker 4: not to burn them for just one out or to
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  Speaker 4: get out of an inning. So and that's where it's
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  Speaker 4: like you got to kind of go with your gut
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  Speaker 4: and go from there. But when you look up and
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  Speaker 4: there's no runs on the board, and you know, at
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  Speaker 4: that point, I can't say that it was a bad
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  Speaker 4: new believing in yep.
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  Speaker 1: And then the you know, you say burning a reliever.
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  Speaker 1: Right now, we look at Mason Miller. That's the one
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  Speaker 1: thing that kind of stands out. I just saw last night.
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  Speaker 1: If he throws in this championship game, it would be
• 9:46
  Speaker 1: three outings in five days, something that probably for a
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  Speaker 1: big league closer happens a few times in a year,
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  Speaker 1: not all that often, especially if it's if you have
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  Speaker 1: a couple of taxing outings. We'll see if he's availab
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  Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean, I think once again, this
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  Speaker 1: bullpen is good. We'll see, uh, you know how how
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  Speaker 1: it kind of lines up for the bullpen, but not
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  Speaker 1: having Mason Miller to be able to slam the door
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  Speaker 1: might be a little interesting, but you know what, if
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  Speaker 1: the offense does a good job, we'll see who they're facing.
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  Speaker 1: The offense does a good job, it might not be
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  Speaker 1: as big of a deal here, all right. So I've
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  Speaker 1: been looking at a little bit as Venezuela and Italy
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  Speaker 1: really interesting matchup. Italy's offense has been incredible, Uh, you know,
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  Speaker 1: pitching wise, maybe they don't have some of the depth
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  Speaker 1: that some of these other teams have. So it sounds
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  Speaker 1: like they're going with probably an Aaron Nola Michael lareingin
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  Speaker 1: piggyback situation, to see how deep we can get into
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  Speaker 1: this game. Maybe their offense can get them a lead.
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  Speaker 1: Nola has been fantastic, Lorenzen was lights out against USA.
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  Speaker 1: I would have to think that they probably like their
• 10:51
  Speaker 1: chances here to get through six, probably seven innings, and
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  Speaker 1: then if passquatch and the offense can do their thing,
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  Speaker 1: you know, maybe they have a four or five run
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  Speaker 1: league going into those last couple innings.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, that's their hope. I've not seen who's pitching starting
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  Speaker 4: on the Venezuela side, but.
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  Speaker 1: I believe it is a Kaider Montero is who's going
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  Speaker 1: and looks like he's he's fresh with I think they
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  Speaker 1: have an eighty pitch restriction. He really needs to get
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  Speaker 1: deep into the game. Ranger went two and two thirds
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  Speaker 1: in the last one, and with back to back games here,
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  Speaker 1: if Venezuela is gonna win and not have a really
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  Speaker 1: tough starting job here at starting assignment against the US
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  Speaker 1: with a tax bullpen, you know, Montero needs to go
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  Speaker 1: deep into the game today.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, you got it.
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  Speaker 4: You're hoping for four from him for yere On that side,
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  Speaker 4: I think if you look at having Lorenzen and Nola,
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  Speaker 4: if you get well, they're both stretched out to go
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  Speaker 4: at least four, right, four to five. So if they can,
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  Speaker 4: if they can get where they're throwing the ball efficiently
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  Speaker 4: and all that, and they get eighty innings out of
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  Speaker 4: those two, I think it's a win for Italy, no
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  Speaker 4: doubt about it.
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  Speaker 3: That's mine. Yeah, that's my game.
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  Speaker 1: And it seems like, yeah, I seem it seems like
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  Speaker 1: they're taking I was wondering if Nola was gonna be
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  Speaker 1: the championship game. They want to make sure they get
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  Speaker 1: past Venezuela and they're saying we're going to win this
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  Speaker 1: game now.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, And I think it lines up to think about this.
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  Speaker 4: If you want to say, all right, Nola is going
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  Speaker 4: to go, and then we're in the fourth inning, he's
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  Speaker 4: gotten through four and we're up a decent amount. Maybe
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  Speaker 4: that's when you try to, you know, manipulate some things
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  Speaker 4: where you have Lorenzen for that, you know, for the
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  Speaker 4: championship start. But like I said, you've got to get there.
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  Speaker 4: That's the number one thing. The way that they've been
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  Speaker 4: swinging and doing all this, I like their chances. I
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  Speaker 4: was at the old local golf club yesterday and people
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  Speaker 4: were asking me what is up with Team Italy and
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  Speaker 4: I've not heard of them? And I go, well, you
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  Speaker 4: need to watch more baseball because some of these kids
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  Speaker 4: are really good.
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  Speaker 3: The problem is they're all.
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  Speaker 4: Young, and they most of them do not play for
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  Speaker 4: let's say you're You're you're bigger organizations or you know,
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  Speaker 4: the things of that where they don't get a whole
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  Speaker 4: lot of TV time. Right, these guys can play. They're
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  Speaker 4: not afraid of it. They're enjoying it. They've got the
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  Speaker 4: youthfulness about them. That's that's fun, you know, And they
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  Speaker 4: were able to scratch you some. You know, there's still
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  Speaker 4: some quality names on there. They just might not be
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  Speaker 4: you know, notable national names, but you know, this, this
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  Speaker 4: is tournament's for. Hey, we we can play baseball where
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  Speaker 4: we're here with the you know, the top four in
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  Speaker 4: the world at the end of the day right now
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  Speaker 4: as where they're at. So that I think that's the
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  Speaker 4: beauty of the game. Italy's put a lot of time
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  Speaker 4: and effort into developing baseball over there, and you're seeing
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  Speaker 4: it on the national stage right now, and I think
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  Speaker 4: that's something that is the beautiful. Best part of this
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  Speaker 4: whole thing is seeing countries like that kind of slowly
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  Speaker 4: step up and start to you know, take over and
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  Speaker 4: be relevant. And I you know, I'm excited to see it.
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  Speaker 4: I hope, you know, I hope they get by Venezuela
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  Speaker 4: and I to be honest with you, so it's like
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  Speaker 4: a rematch of the of US one loss and we'll see,
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  Speaker 4: you know who who's the better team at the end.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: They've really slugged their way through this tournament. You know,
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  Speaker 1: twelve home runs I think in their first four games,
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  Speaker 1: I'm not sure.
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  Speaker 2: I don't remember.
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  Speaker 1: Well, Pascuatino had three against Mexico. Like they've they have
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  Speaker 1: just slugged their way through and throw the ball really well. Also,
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  Speaker 1: I think it'll be interesting with having Nola and lorenz In,
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  Speaker 1: both righty, both with good breaking balls, both can pitch
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  Speaker 1: a lot of rities on this Venezuela side that if
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  Speaker 1: both of those guys are on, could be a really
• 14:24
  Speaker 1: difficult task for them to get to them. You know,
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  Speaker 1: you've got Churio Suarez, Perez Contreras, Glabor Torres and Acuna
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  Speaker 1: alrightys who are the Venezuela team is leaning on them
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  Speaker 1: to get into this Italy bullpen, and it sounds like
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  Speaker 1: if Italy is able to win, they're going to go
• 14:41
  Speaker 1: a bullpen game against the US. So whoever wins this game,
• 14:46
  Speaker 1: US obviously has a little bit of an advantage having
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  Speaker 1: the off day today and be able to rest a
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  Speaker 1: little bit. It's going to be a tall task here,
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  Speaker 1: especially if Italy gets to the Venezuela starter. If if
• 14:58
  Speaker 1: Venezuela is able to score some runs and kind of
• 15:01
  Speaker 1: make the Italy bullpen work a little bit. If I'm
• 15:03
  Speaker 1: the US, I'm hoping for a ten to nine slugfest here,
• 15:08
  Speaker 1: which as a pitcher I would hate it. I want
• 15:09
  Speaker 1: to see some pitchers go out there and dominate. But
• 15:11
  Speaker 1: I'm kind of hoping for a ten to nine slugfest
• 15:13
  Speaker 1: tonight and we'll see what these bullpens look like tomorrow
• 15:16
  Speaker 1: coming into this game, because it could be a real,
• 15:19
  Speaker 1: real tall task for the winner of tonight if these
• 15:22
  Speaker 1: starters don't don't get into the game and now you're
• 15:26
  Speaker 1: throwing a bullpen game and your bullpen isn't even fresh.
• 15:29
  Speaker 3: Yeah, no, US is in the best spot.
• 15:31
  Speaker 4: They're gonna have a day off, and they're looking at
• 15:33
  Speaker 4: two teams that have been known to put up runs
• 15:36
  Speaker 4: with both sides.
• 15:37
  Speaker 3: Kind of, Hey, we're.
• 15:38
  Speaker 4: Gonna have to go back to back, We're gonna have
• 15:40
  Speaker 4: to do all this, and we're kind of at this point,
• 15:43
  Speaker 4: you're kind of hate piecing it together anyways. So you know,
• 15:46
  Speaker 4: if Italy can, you know, those two guys can figure
• 15:49
  Speaker 4: out how to get seven innings and they win the game,
• 15:52
  Speaker 4: maybe even eight would be huge. That gives them a
• 15:54
  Speaker 4: chance where they can run nine guys out there, you
• 15:57
  Speaker 4: know against US, which is what Japan did against Us
• 16:01
  Speaker 4: in the last one, where it seemed like every inning
• 16:03
  Speaker 4: they were bringing out a new guy, just giving different
• 16:06
  Speaker 4: looks and stuff like that. And as you've seen that
• 16:09
  Speaker 4: does mess with teams a little bit, but I mean,
• 16:12
  Speaker 4: you would rather have that than having a guy that
• 16:14
  Speaker 4: you know they've got linked and are able to, you know,
• 16:17
  Speaker 4: eat up some Indians because the more you know that, hey,
• 16:20
  Speaker 4: they're bringing in the next guy. Let's let's get after
• 16:22
  Speaker 4: these guys. Guys got to you know, we'll take different
• 16:24
  Speaker 4: types at bats and stuff like that. So it's gonna
• 16:28
  Speaker 4: be exciting. I mean, I'm looking forward to watching this
• 16:30
  Speaker 4: game tonight. If it turns into a slugfest, huge advantage
• 16:33
  Speaker 4: to the US though.
• 16:34
  Speaker 2: Yep, I agree for tonight's game.
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  Speaker 1: streaming Now. All right, Lance, I think as we get
• 17:06
  Speaker 1: closer to the end of the camp, let's transition to
• 17:08
  Speaker 1: some Cardinals talk, says Cardinals territory, and let's talk a
• 17:13
  Speaker 1: little bit about roster construction. We've got to get down
• 17:17
  Speaker 1: to twenty six. I believe they have like eight to
• 17:19
  Speaker 1: ten more cuts to make. They still have maybe seven
• 17:23
  Speaker 1: or eight I think are non roster guys. Some of
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: those might be I'm not gonna say the decisions already made,
• 17:28
  Speaker 1: but you know we've seen how those decisions play out.
• 17:32
  Speaker 1: What are your thoughts here as we get down to
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: the end of camp. You know, I think Catchers are
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: for the most part, probably figured out. I think Crooks
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: was just optioned down. But you know, the Cardinals are
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: twelve and eight. I never really we've talked about this.
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: We give Jim a lot of trouble. I'm not putting
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: a ton of stock into it. But they are playing well.
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: Some of these young guys are. They're going it all.
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: You know, they might win the Great Fruit Cups with
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: the Great first you gotta win one, you But let's
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: talk about here over next week. Him's got some interesting
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: decisions to make as going into next week on who
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: to keep, who to cut. What are your thoughts how
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: the catcher's position has has finished up? You know it
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: is March mass so I feel like the catcher position
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: has finished kind of chalk here right, probably exactly how
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: we expected it. But assuming we go Herrera pajes poso,
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: what do you think about how that's shaken out?
• 18:31
  Speaker 3: I love it. We're putting on our hime hats.
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, tim hats time hats for the next seven
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: days here and let's see if we can figure out
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: which twenty six are going north.
• 18:41
  Speaker 3: Let's see who of us had the better the closest
• 18:44
  Speaker 3: of the twenty six. I like that. Well, catchers, yeah right.
• 18:49
  Speaker 4: I think if you're carrying three catchers, that's your three catchers, right,
• 18:53
  Speaker 4: and I think you carry three catchers.
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 18:54
  Speaker 4: We've been talking about this because a rare's the agent
• 18:58
  Speaker 4: more like I would say half the week he's d agent.
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: So that's my got some stuff as well.
• 19:05
  Speaker 3: Yeah right.
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: I think where he hasn't caught a ton, I don't
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: think because of Sorknee.
• 19:10
  Speaker 4: Which I think in the grand scheme of things is okay.
• 19:14
  Speaker 4: Where we're coming back from the arm we had last year.
• 19:16
  Speaker 4: We had some leg hamstring stuff with during the days
• 19:20
  Speaker 4: of catching. That's why they put him to DH And
• 19:21
  Speaker 4: we're talking about getting him, you know, out of the
• 19:23
  Speaker 4: squad a little bit more. The bat's got to be
• 19:25
  Speaker 4: in the lineup. The more he hits, the better player
• 19:28
  Speaker 4: he is. And if you can figure out a way
• 19:30
  Speaker 4: to have him DH. I mean, the question is you
• 19:33
  Speaker 4: want us bat in the lineup one hundred and forty
• 19:35
  Speaker 4: games or do you want him to catch, you know,
• 19:37
  Speaker 4: one hundred and then be hurt. So that's my my
• 19:41
  Speaker 4: The way I think about it is, Hey, you have
• 19:43
  Speaker 4: two catchers that you can trust, you put him in
• 19:46
  Speaker 4: there at eighth, ninth in the order, and then you
• 19:48
  Speaker 4: let you let even hit third in DH as much
• 19:51
  Speaker 4: as he wants. That's kind of where I'm at, But
• 19:54
  Speaker 4: that's the three catchers for me. I don't think we're
• 19:56
  Speaker 4: going to have a fight there on that one.
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: What do you got No, I don't think so.
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: I think, if anything, i'd be interested to see if
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: he's taken any reps at first base this spring. There's
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: not a right handed necessarily first basement to be there.
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: Urius can play first base. He can play really about anywhere,
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: So if they want to get Burly a day, they
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: can do that. Some of these decisions that I looked at,
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: they kind of tie into each other here with what
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: Herrera does. If we can put Herrera at first base,
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: then that probably solves a little bit of that flexibility
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: with Burley. If Herreraic can play first base, then Burley
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: can maybe go and play left field for a day,
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: play right field for a day, to get Walker off
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: his feet, to maybe get an extra lefty in the
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: lineup against a righty for an outfielder. I think some
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: of that is interesting, but I agree totally. You want
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: Avon's back in the line up. You want him going
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: out through producing offensively. If you can get him some
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: catching starts later in April, when maybe his body's feeling
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: a little bit better, maybe his throwing is doing really well,
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: and he's he's had a chance to work with Pogi
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: and some and YACHTI and some of these guys, and
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: he's feeling more comfortable back there. Let's get him some
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: of those reps because I think we would both agree
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: going forward, if you have a catcher who is defensively
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: average or slightly above average and well above average offensively,
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: it is a huge advantage for your team. So yeah,
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: I think that's a benefit, and it opens up that
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: DH spot a little bit. It gives Newbar maybe a
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: chance to be a DH and get off his feet,
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: gives Walker a chance to be a DH and not
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: have you know, defense on his mind that day. So yeah,
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: I think I think Kevin Avonn be able to move
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: around offer some flexibility, and maybe seeing Wilson do that
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: a little bit last year, maybe that gives him a
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: little bit of that confidence to say, hey, I can
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: be a catcher at first base if I can work
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: on this footwork here, uh, and I can be comfortable
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: around the base as well. But leading leading the into
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: the infield, now, you know, Burly, Uh, it seems like
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: jj is all but a lock uh to be at
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: second base when Gorman has been swinging the thatt better.
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: It looks like those are your four around the infield. Urious.
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: I think if he's healthy, he is going obviously to
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: be that fifth infielder as utility. The two guys that
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: seem to be battling for a spot are for mean
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: and said J. C. SAgs, for me is just an
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: absolute ball player, man. I have him slotted in with
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: Newton possibly on the il to start here. I've got
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: SAgs slotted in as a fourth outfielder actually and offering
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: a whole lot of flexibility.
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: To this team.
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: But when it comes to the infield, I think that
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: for me and SAgs to both uh make the roster
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: out of camp. What do you see with that Urius
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: for me and se JC group going north as the infielders.
• 23:12
  Speaker 4: Yeah, no, I think that's it right. And then you're
• 23:14
  Speaker 4: I mean, that's your that's your bench with the third catcher.
• 23:17
  Speaker 4: In my opinion, that's what I have down. And then
• 23:19
  Speaker 4: obviously you're gonna have to make some decisions whenever a
• 23:22
  Speaker 4: Newton gets back and what that looks like. But for
• 23:25
  Speaker 4: the time being, and that also gives you the right
• 23:27
  Speaker 4: handed guys that hey, we've got a guy that I think,
• 23:30
  Speaker 4: for mean can play first U Sag, you can play
• 23:33
  Speaker 4: left or vice versa, whatever you might need to do
• 23:36
  Speaker 4: in those days, and give yourself a fighting chance there
• 23:40
  Speaker 4: against a quality lefty. So I think they're a kind
• 23:43
  Speaker 4: of with with Newts. Injury is locked in what they
• 23:47
  Speaker 4: what they can do right now, and then a decision
• 23:49
  Speaker 4: is going to have to be made on that bench
• 23:51
  Speaker 4: when it comes time. Is it going to be like, hey,
• 23:53
  Speaker 4: if Ivan is catching four days a week or five
• 23:56
  Speaker 4: days a week and he's going to have to get
• 23:58
  Speaker 4: off his feet on the other days where he not
• 24:00
  Speaker 4: even gonna d h then you might lose the best,
• 24:02
  Speaker 4: you might lose that third catcher as as the season
• 24:05
  Speaker 4: goes on. At times, there's a lot of different moving
• 24:08
  Speaker 4: parts here, and when people are talking like, oh, you know,
• 24:11
  Speaker 4: there's a all these guys can do a lot of
• 24:13
  Speaker 4: different things and they've got a pretty decent way to
• 24:16
  Speaker 4: maneuver their way through it. So that's my bench right now,
• 24:20
  Speaker 4: se Gacy areas Plazo and and for me, that's gonna
• 24:25
  Speaker 4: be my bench. And then you know, the rest of
• 24:27
  Speaker 4: the infield, that's your starting infield Burley, JJ Win Gore
• 24:32
  Speaker 4: and then figure out who needs a dagg whatever how
• 24:35
  Speaker 4: it may look. I think it kind of off me
• 24:38
  Speaker 4: when you're looking at the roster and all how it
• 24:40
  Speaker 4: plays out, especially position player wise, has been kind of hey, here,
• 24:46
  Speaker 4: here it is. This is what we got, and then
• 24:48
  Speaker 4: we're gonna have some you know, moving parts on certain
• 24:51
  Speaker 4: days which will give the lineup some some depth and
• 24:54
  Speaker 4: some versatility that actually is gonna be there's been missing
• 24:59
  Speaker 4: a little bit in the past.
• 25:00
  Speaker 3: I think when you have not Ill locked.
• 25:03
  Speaker 4: In and when you had uh Goldie locked in and
• 25:07
  Speaker 4: this and that, you you kind of couldn't mix and match,
• 25:10
  Speaker 4: which you don't want to. When those guys are in
• 25:12
  Speaker 4: MVP caliber level, but though that wasn't the case. So
• 25:16
  Speaker 4: now you can do the matching and the things that
• 25:19
  Speaker 4: Milwaukee does at.
• 25:20
  Speaker 3: A really high level. You have the ability to do
• 25:22
  Speaker 3: that with some of these guys.
• 25:23
  Speaker 4: So I like where they're kind of where they're doing
• 25:26
  Speaker 4: that where they can be problems for starting pitchers because
• 25:28
  Speaker 4: of the how the lineup can mix and match each day.
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely agree, totally. I think it offers a lot
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: of flexibility. And I mentioned about SAgs just being a ballplayer.
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: You just let ballplayers go be ball players, man like
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: they just want to be. It's exactly right, umaller.
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: Than no doubt.
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: Just in the middle of the ending here, you want
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: me to go to a second, I don't go to second.
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: SAgs doesn't care, all right, So getting that to the
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: outfield the same kind of set, right. You know, I'm
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: looking at Walker Victor Scott and personally I know there's
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: been a lot of talk about Bias in Velaskaz. I
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: think they both obviously had great springs. They optioned Bias.
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: Vlaskaz is a non roster right now. The forty men
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: roster is at forty. I think with optioning a guy
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: like Fernandez, that's not a guy. I would DFA at
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: this point because I think it has great stuff. Unfortunately
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: for Velasquez, I think it probably hurts them at the
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: roster is at forty already, and I would go with
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: a defensive outfield, and I would have Walker, Scott and
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: Church be my starting outfielders and see if Church can
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: slid into that left field spot and really track down
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: that gap. Man, you have two center fielders out there,
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: it's big. They like Church his approach at the plate
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: as well. And then I think you end up with
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: an extremely extremely good defensive team. And then you have
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: SAgs and for me and who both can go the outfield.
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: Like I said, Burley can go the outfield for me
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: and can slot the first Yearius to first. You have
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: a lot of flexibility. And I don't worry about outfield
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: at all because of how many ballplayers they got.
• 27:08
  Speaker 3: No. I think right now the only word of the
• 27:10
  Speaker 3: outfielder is how they get to hit right.
• 27:12
  Speaker 4: They're going to catch the ball when it's hit out there,
• 27:14
  Speaker 4: especially with Church and and and Scott with Vic, I mean.
• 27:18
  Speaker 3: They're spot on there.
• 27:19
  Speaker 4: I think it's give Church the chance when when Neot's
• 27:21
  Speaker 4: down just because he needs that experience.
• 27:24
  Speaker 3: He needs to be able to do that. And then
• 27:26
  Speaker 3: when you look.
• 27:27
  Speaker 4: At you know, like we said, we be able to
• 27:29
  Speaker 4: mix and match, you're going to be able to platoon
• 27:31
  Speaker 4: do these things you need to at times. If Church
• 27:34
  Speaker 4: is able to do that thing and play at a
• 27:35
  Speaker 4: good level, then that gives Walker the ability to d
• 27:39
  Speaker 4: h or take a day where the next thing, you know,
• 27:41
  Speaker 4: he got three three left handed hitting outfielders and uh,
• 27:44
  Speaker 4: you know vice versa where you're able to throw to
• 27:47
  Speaker 4: Gacy and uh, you know for being out in left
• 27:49
  Speaker 4: field when you need it, when you need a day
• 27:51
  Speaker 4: or something like that.
• 27:52
  Speaker 3: So I think that's a no doubt or I think
• 27:54
  Speaker 3: it's kind of you know where it is.
• 27:55
  Speaker 4: I think the you know, bias was. I think he's
• 27:58
  Speaker 4: going to got a chance to be a really good
• 28:00
  Speaker 4: But I also think that he's got to go to
• 28:02
  Speaker 4: Triple A. I think he has to get at bats
• 28:05
  Speaker 4: and he's got to get a different regiment of what
• 28:08
  Speaker 4: it's like because it's that next step, right if you
• 28:11
  Speaker 4: just jump. Pitching's a little different and things like that,
• 28:14
  Speaker 4: which he's already down in the minor league. So that
• 28:16
  Speaker 4: and like I said, the forty man is kind of full,
• 28:18
  Speaker 4: so let it play out. These guys are on your
• 28:20
  Speaker 4: forty man for a reason. They're young, it's not like
• 28:23
  Speaker 4: you're you know, you've been trying to get them off there.
• 28:24
  Speaker 4: They literally just got on there. So let him go
• 28:27
  Speaker 4: see what they got. And if someone falls or someone
• 28:29
  Speaker 4: gets hurt, someone goes on the sixty day, then you're
• 28:31
  Speaker 4: able to.
• 28:32
  Speaker 3: Bring somebody up and put him in there. So I
• 28:35
  Speaker 3: like where they're at.
• 28:36
  Speaker 4: You know, you know, there's a little bit of an unknown,
• 28:38
  Speaker 4: but that's part of this, you know, rebuild that you're
• 28:40
  Speaker 4: gonna do it. You got to let some of these
• 28:42
  Speaker 4: guys play. And a non roster invites, a non roster invite,
• 28:45
  Speaker 4: and Church has been on your roster for a reason.
• 28:49
  Speaker 4: So let the guy you have a chance in my opinion,
• 28:51
  Speaker 4: and that non roster can go down to Triple A
• 28:52
  Speaker 4: and play, and then if you need him, then you
• 28:54
  Speaker 4: can make the movie you.
• 28:55
  Speaker 3: Need to do.
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: Totally agree.
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: As we moved to the bullpen here, we've got probably
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: five or six of these kind of locked in right.
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: You got Jojo O'Brien, Stanik s Vohnson Brule seems like
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: he's gonna be probably the second Lefty Pushard is you know,
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: he's a Rule five. We'll see what they decide to
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: do with that. I think they like his stuff and
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: they're probably gonna want to give him an opportunity. Fits
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: I think also has good stuff. I would probably have
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: him in there to make sure that he can just
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: get some innings, add you know, if he can add length,
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: and then to me, I would go an eight guy
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: Penn with a five man rotation. You have Leehi, who
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: possibly could be on a little bit of an innings issue,
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: I don't know. And then for me, that leaves Grisefo
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: to be that swing man if you need to piggyback,
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: get him some big leg innings and extend him so
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: that he can get some linked and maybe still be
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: that starter that you envisioned him to be over the
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: last few years.
• 30:00
  Speaker 3: Yeah. No, I think I think we're on board there.
• 30:02
  Speaker 4: You got yeah, I mean Stantic Swanson, U s Riana O'Brien.
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: I didn't have Soriano in there.
• 30:11
  Speaker 3: Yep, yeah, I do.
• 30:13
  Speaker 4: I think that he's out, he's out of options, right,
• 30:17
  Speaker 4: so he's got that. I think he has to be
• 30:19
  Speaker 4: in there. And then Romero and Brule. I think that's
• 30:22
  Speaker 4: where it is so gotcha, I think, and I have
• 30:26
  Speaker 4: seven and here's and we'll talk about why I have
• 30:28
  Speaker 4: seven here in a minute. So that's my seven, my
• 30:31
  Speaker 4: seven man bullpen that we have for the twenty six
• 30:35
  Speaker 4: man roster.
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: And once again we're both on board. I think this
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: is a strength of this team. I think this is
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: once again defense and bullpen. I think, and I think
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: rotation is shaping up to be all three strengths with
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: this team with Yes, they're young, but the stuff in
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: the bullpen.
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: Is really good.
• 30:52
  Speaker 4: Well, and you're looking at Roy, Kroff and Fernandez are
• 30:55
  Speaker 4: gonna be uh, you know, depth pieces in triple A.
• 30:58
  Speaker 4: And then uh, I keep spacing this guy's name who
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  Speaker 4: they got for uh that's going to be coming back
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  Speaker 4: from the knee injury that is supposedly Dobbins.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, he's gonna be.
• 31:08
  Speaker 4: He's gonna fit in there some shape or form. And
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  Speaker 4: I think he's got this stuff to be a starter
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  Speaker 4: if they wanted to. So that's gonna be an interesting one.
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  Speaker 3: How they do.
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  Speaker 4: I remember I was asking how he's looking or whatever
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  Speaker 4: in camp and they said, well, you know, he's not
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  Speaker 4: game ready because he can't cover. First, I go, guys,
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  Speaker 4: I didn't cover first for thirteen years. He's game ready.
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  Speaker 1: We ready to go?
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  Speaker 3: Tell ready. Covering first was a criteria to be game ready.
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  Speaker 3: I was never game ready for a big leagues. Hey.
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: I was the guy that needed to work on a
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: backing up bases. If you give up a ground ball
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  Speaker 1: through the hole that gets to the gap, go back
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  Speaker 1: up a base. You just punch tickets and take the
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  Speaker 1: backup bases.
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  Speaker 4: Right, yeah, backup bass because the guy gets the Let's say, hey,
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  Speaker 4: here's the truth that matter. If I didn't want to
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  Speaker 4: him just get to the next space, I shouldn't let
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  Speaker 4: him get it hit. Just give me the ball right here?
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  Speaker 4: My turn to thirty.
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  Speaker 1: Perfect, all right? So that moves us to the rotation.
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  Speaker 1: Here to finish, I have may or not in any
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  Speaker 1: order here may Polonte, McGreevy and Lee. He I only
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  Speaker 1: went five. I think with Grisepo in the bullpen, I
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  Speaker 1: think that leaves you that extra swing man. I would
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  Speaker 1: want Matthews and our other depth pieces to be ready
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  Speaker 1: as starters. We all know that injuries happened, you went
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: with a six man rotation.
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  Speaker 2: White is that well?
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  Speaker 3: So it's like a modified six right.
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  Speaker 4: So here's where I got May, Libby Polonte McGreevy lay
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  Speaker 4: he fits right, So my thought is Layy and Fits
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  Speaker 4: both coming off well, Lee had a great year last year.
• 32:38
  Speaker 4: We's coming off of reliever innings, right, So okay, where's
• 32:41
  Speaker 4: our Max going to be there? Where's Fits coming off
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  Speaker 4: of his injury? How are we going to be able
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  Speaker 4: to maneuver our way through theres Hey as a year
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  Speaker 4: goes on. Mcgreevy's never made thirty starts in the big leagues,
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  Speaker 4: Libby's done it. May had his most innings and most
• 32:56
  Speaker 4: starts last year at one hundred and thirty something innings,
• 32:59
  Speaker 4: So every body is a touch on an innings limit.
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  Speaker 4: In my opinion, there's no one guy you can chalk
• 33:06
  Speaker 4: up for one hundred and seventy plus innings, right, So
• 33:09
  Speaker 4: how are you to get through the year? So my
• 33:12
  Speaker 4: thought is at the beginning of the year the best
• 33:15
  Speaker 4: thing you can do where guys are there at the
• 33:17
  Speaker 4: end of the year, which we all know that you
• 33:18
  Speaker 4: have to learn how to get through September. So if
• 33:21
  Speaker 4: you shut someone down before September, it's really not helping
• 33:24
  Speaker 4: them for the future. How can we modify innings and
• 33:27
  Speaker 4: figure out how to get through this season through the
• 33:30
  Speaker 4: year where everybody's still pitching through September, so they can
• 33:33
  Speaker 4: get through that those dog days because you and I
• 33:36
  Speaker 4: both know it, that's the time of year where you
• 33:39
  Speaker 4: got to figure it out and you got to get
• 33:40
  Speaker 4: through some stuff. But if you shut them down, it's
• 33:42
  Speaker 4: like not even finishing your season. There's a lot of
• 33:45
  Speaker 4: things that just are not good in my opinion moving forwards.
• 33:48
  Speaker 4: So I always go on the side of go six
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  Speaker 4: man skip starts, do that stuff early in the year,
• 33:55
  Speaker 4: or have if we have a six man rotation quote
• 33:59
  Speaker 4: unquote where it's in lady are our piggyback in a
• 34:02
  Speaker 4: day right, where it's both going four and four, and
• 34:04
  Speaker 4: then you'd use a you know something like that. That
• 34:06
  Speaker 4: was my thought process there, and I think that will
• 34:08
  Speaker 4: save every starter where a you know, one time three
• 34:12
  Speaker 4: we have a piggybag and then you at the end
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  Speaker 4: of the year, everybody's healthy to go do their thing.
• 34:17
  Speaker 4: And then here's the truth of the matter. May is
• 34:19
  Speaker 4: going to be gone probably at the trade deadline if
• 34:21
  Speaker 4: he's doing anything that he's supposed to be doing. That's
• 34:23
  Speaker 4: kind of the thought of signing him. So get these
• 34:26
  Speaker 4: guys ready to jump in that second half too, by
• 34:28
  Speaker 4: not doing too much with them early and you know,
• 34:31
  Speaker 4: monitoring the innings as they go. So that's my six
• 34:35
  Speaker 4: man rotation speel.
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't hate it as a development standpoint, obviously,
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: I think if you were you or I around in
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: the rotation, we would be fighting tooth and nail to
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: not have a six man because we want to be
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: out like that.
• 34:51
  Speaker 3: Yeah, they didn't to deal with that conversation.
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: No, But development wise, that's why I think Griseo, Quinn
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: Matthews at some point, you know, getting innings as swingman
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: is really important. Well, we'll see how these decisions work
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: out here coming up. Maybe on our next one, we
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: can talk about a little bit of March Madness because
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: we're gonna be full in the swing of it before
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: I go, I told you guys last time. This is
• 35:16
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• 35:21
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• 35:24
  Speaker 1: We're doing a March Madness bracket challenge. Nine players are
• 35:27
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• 35:29
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• 35:31
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• 35:35
  Speaker 1: Madness and sign up for our bracket challenge there please.
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: All the funds are going to go to all of
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: our Big League Impact initiatives around the league all year long. Lance,
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: Enjoy this week of first four games coming in, Enjoy
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: the week with the family. Welcome back from spring break.
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: Hopefully you had a good one. Was it was it relaxing?
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: Yea good eve?
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  Speaker 2: Kid?
• 36:00
  Speaker 3: Right, we had great time. My kids loved, loved all
• 36:04
  Speaker 3: the rides.
• 36:04
  Speaker 4: But you know how many people are at Disney and
• 36:07
  Speaker 4: ever you get a kid on your shoulder, you're pushing
• 36:09
  Speaker 4: a stroller, you got to put.
• 36:10
  Speaker 3: It's like, come on, man, like, yeah.
• 36:14
  Speaker 4: It's at all times. I'm just trying to are do
• 36:16
  Speaker 4: we have everybody? It's you know, in Magic Kingdom for
• 36:22
  Speaker 4: God's sake. Ye, good time, good welcome back. Great talking
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  Speaker 4: with you again. We appreciate everybody tuning into this one
• 36:30
  Speaker 4: and we'll see you guys on the next one of
• 36:31
  Speaker 4: Cardinal Territory.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you guys,