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Defining Greatness in Modern Society | Graham Keelan · The Week in Bible Prophecy

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  Speaker 1: Welcome everyone into the program today. Model Gonzalez here in
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  Speaker 1: studio and I have through the internet which is wonderful.
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  Speaker 1: Our good friend Graham keelan all the way from Bristol, England. Graham, welcome,
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  Speaker 1: hey Mondo.
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  Speaker 2: Good to join you again.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, and you know, it's been good. It's been a
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  Speaker 1: while since we had a chance to really chat. And
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  Speaker 1: there's so much happening now over the last really a
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  Speaker 1: couple months since Trump has come into the administration, no doubt,
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  Speaker 1: in his own way, a wrecking ball in so many things,
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  Speaker 1: but also I think some things need to be wrecked
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  Speaker 1: for sure. So I thought it would have been great
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  Speaker 1: to hear your perspective on things coming from again the UK.
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  Speaker 1: You know, let's let's let's let's kind of jump right
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  Speaker 1: in because there's so much to discuss from your perspective here.
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  Speaker 1: Just looking at some of my notes, you know, it
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  Speaker 1: seems that the relationship between America and Europe and even
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  Speaker 1: maybe NATO in general, it's is it well, let me
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  Speaker 1: just ask you, is it weakened? Is it fracturing? Is
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  Speaker 1: it breaking apart? I've seen that, no doubt, what Trump
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  Speaker 1: has done a couple of things has pushed some of
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  Speaker 1: the European nations to increase their own funding for their
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  Speaker 1: own European army. I mean, is Trump, whether he knows
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  Speaker 1: it or not, contributing to the development of a European
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  Speaker 1: army which might be the Beast Army. I mean kind
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  Speaker 1: of jump in on all of that from your perspective,
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  Speaker 1: being right there in the midst of it.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, well, we're having this conversation Mondo on Liberation Day,
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  Speaker 2: President Trump's Declaration of Liberation Day for the US and
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  Speaker 2: the market tanked so I can see. And also Mike
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  Speaker 2: Rubio is in the NATO headquarters laying down the law
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  Speaker 2: as it were, for the new American attitude towards the
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  Speaker 2: Northern Atlantic Treaty Organization. Yeah, I think, well, is it fracturing? Listen,
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  Speaker 2: you know there are all of shrill voices here over
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  Speaker 2: in the over in the European arena, and I think, well,
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  Speaker 2: there's that thing about there's a new sheriff in town,
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  Speaker 2: isn't there? And it's more that the old assumptions now
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  Speaker 2: have gone in terms of American involvement in NATO. And
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  Speaker 2: simply because so you look at it from from from
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  Speaker 2: both both points of view. So from the American point
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  Speaker 2: of view, of course you have been carrying NATO and
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  Speaker 2: with the your your your massive expense, your expenditure. I
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  Speaker 2: mean you are now like coming onto forty trillion in
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  Speaker 2: debt something like that. And that's for debt. And quite frankly,
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  Speaker 2: the Americans can no longer afford to carry the bulk
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  Speaker 2: of you know, survey of European security. And so they're saying, hey, look,
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  Speaker 2: you know it's time for you to stump up. Interestingly
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  Speaker 2: reading about this, this has been going on since Eisenhower.
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  Speaker 2: Americans have been trying to get the Europeans to cough
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  Speaker 2: up all the way since the fifties, right, and and
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  Speaker 2: so you know, obviously out of World War Two, they've
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  Speaker 2: got the Cold War. Europe was decimated during World War Two,
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  Speaker 2: so it relied very much on heavily on American the
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  Speaker 2: Marshall Plan, the rebuilding of the continent, and also then
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  Speaker 2: the security of you know, of Western Europe at the time.
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  Speaker 2: But of course the building wall came down was eighteen nine,
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  Speaker 2: was it nineteen? And forgetting that, But and then from there,
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  Speaker 2: you know, NATO sort of again it's its glorious expansion eastward,
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  Speaker 2: even though apparently the Russians were promised that that wouldn't happen.
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  Speaker 2: But anyway, here we are. So now what's thirty two
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  Speaker 2: nations thirty one natures? And what's really interesting is that
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  Speaker 2: I can get it from the American's point of view
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  Speaker 2: because the Europeans have allowed have used American large yes
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  Speaker 2: to literally build these incredibly intricate and expensive welfare states.
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  Speaker 2: When you when you sort of like, you know, you
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  Speaker 2: look at NATO spending, Europeans spending. I think at the
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  Speaker 2: time of the Cold War, I think we were spending
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  Speaker 2: nearly five percent or something on defense. All that kind
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  Speaker 2: of plummeted over the years to about to about two percent,
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  Speaker 2: just really fulfilling our natal obligations because we with the
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  Speaker 2: joint founders of NATO with the US. So from that,
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  Speaker 2: of course, I mean we've followed out at our armed
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  Speaker 2: forces to where we now have the lowest standing armies
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  Speaker 2: since Napoleon, can you believe it? Right? So we've now
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  Speaker 2: only got just about seventy thousand soldiers in the field
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  Speaker 2: and one hundred and fifty thousand total personnel, and we
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  Speaker 2: got one of the largest European armies, or we are
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  Speaker 2: actually the greatest European nation. Using that that or category
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  Speaker 2: of defense spending. We are it, not in terms of
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  Speaker 2: GDP now because Poland now is really upping its spending,
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  Speaker 2: but in terms of I think fifty eight billion, I
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  Speaker 2: think fifty eight billion pounds nearly sixty billion pounds. But
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  Speaker 2: we spent one hundred billion on our interest payments alone.
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  Speaker 2: So we spend more on our interest payments than we
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  Speaker 2: do on defense, education, and justice combined.
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  Speaker 1: What is your national debt?
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  Speaker 2: Our national debt I think is about one point to
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  Speaker 2: one point two trillion. It's almost one hundred percent of GDP,
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  Speaker 2: well almost one hundred percent, not quite so again, but
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  Speaker 2: all of these economies are self are kind of our
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  Speaker 2: imploding now, all the all our Western economists. So obviously
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  Speaker 2: what's what's happened is is that you the Americans, have said, sorry,
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  Speaker 2: the game's up, and rightfully so, because now what's what's
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  Speaker 2: truly ironic for me here living in England is that
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  Speaker 2: it's a labor government, a socialist government who introduced the
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  Speaker 2: welfare state back in nineteen forty nine, that that now
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  Speaker 2: have the that now sort of have the responsibility to
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  Speaker 2: tell the British people that the game is up. So
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  Speaker 2: you know, so that's an interesting thing to watch because
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  Speaker 2: you know, this president, government parties is you know, they
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  Speaker 2: had the great, great socialist agenda. Now it's all that's
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  Speaker 2: completely in ruins. So now we're having to increase our
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  Speaker 2: defense spending. We raided the foreign aid budget, so two
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  Speaker 2: point seven going up to three percent in twenty twenty nine.
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  Speaker 2: That's them. But of course Mico Rubio is told the
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  Speaker 2: NATO that Europeans now have to you know, sort of
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  Speaker 2: get their spending up to five percent.
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  Speaker 1: So so this deadline, was there a deadline on that
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  Speaker 1: or any com No, No.
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  Speaker 2: They say no, they say, we realize it's not going
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  Speaker 2: to happen, you know, next year, but there have to
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  Speaker 2: be incredible paces. So now all these so now our
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  Speaker 2: government is coming welfare payments, welfare budgets and so because
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  Speaker 2: now they have to find the monitor to spend it
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  Speaker 2: on defense. Of course, you now we now have the
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  Speaker 2: tariff wall going on, so it really and of course
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  Speaker 2: from the European point of view, you know, so they're
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  Speaker 2: getting a little bit. You know, America is not being
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  Speaker 2: you know, it's unreliable. We can't rely on America anymore
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  Speaker 2: for our defense. We have to you know, we have
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  Speaker 2: to now buy Europeans. So of course something like President
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  Speaker 2: Macron is seeing this as a great opportunity right to
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  Speaker 2: bolster European defense, that the defense industry. There is a need,
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  Speaker 2: I think for European defense industry because one of the
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  Speaker 2: things Europeans are pring out to the Americans is well, hey,
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  Speaker 2: we buy four times more from America for our defense
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  Speaker 2: than we did from Europe. So if you're going to
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  Speaker 2: be so unreliable, we're now going to build up our
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  Speaker 2: own European defense industries. And there are big ones BA
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  Speaker 2: systems here. You've got talents in France, Leonardo in Italy.
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  Speaker 2: So so there's that sort of dynamic going on with
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  Speaker 2: with with what's going on. But yeah, it's it's kind
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  Speaker 2: of but you know what, they should have known this
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  Speaker 2: because Trump was like this the first time round, and
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  Speaker 2: now it's like, well, okay, you want the Europeans don't
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  Speaker 2: trust Putin at all, and I don't think anybody should.
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  Speaker 2: So you know, there there their their thing is he
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  Speaker 2: will come for more in some stage, he will come
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  Speaker 2: for more. And so now the Europeans have to really
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  Speaker 2: they have to catch up, and they have to catch
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  Speaker 2: up quickly to bridge the American gap in terms of armament.
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  Speaker 2: So what the what the what the Europeans are capable of?
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  Speaker 2: What the Americans? What the gap that they fill? There's
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  Speaker 2: there's all talk of the nuclear the umbrella that, you know,
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  Speaker 2: will that be removed? But apparently President Trump's you know,
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  Speaker 2: refumed his commitment to NATO, but he's told the Europeans
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  Speaker 2: pay up now it's real And now the Europeans are
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  Speaker 2: actually going to their people and saying, Okay, the welfare
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  Speaker 2: game is over. It's interesting, Mondo. You know, I look
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  Speaker 2: at the history of this nation. Let me just let
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  Speaker 2: me just boast on us a little bit here. We
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  Speaker 2: invented virtually every day, you know, and it's kind of
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  Speaker 2: it's I like to say to people, say, you've got
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  Speaker 2: a radio, You're welcome. You've got a telephone, you're welcome.
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  Speaker 2: You've got a television, you're welcome. You've got a computer,
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  Speaker 2: you welcome. You got you know, even the World Wide Web,
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  Speaker 2: right we created that and gave it to the world
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  Speaker 2: for free. I don't know whether that's a good idea now,
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  Speaker 2: I think we should have put a bar on it,
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  Speaker 2: you know, to say that if you if you've got
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  Speaker 2: to have a website, you at least you have to
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  Speaker 2: have to have read a book or something for start
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  Speaker 2: to finish. But anyway, you're flying around at the jet engine.
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  Speaker 2: You welcome. You know. It's kind of when I look
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  Speaker 2: at us now, I mean, do you know, I don't
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  Speaker 2: know if well, let me just say this. We have
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  Speaker 2: actually one more Nobel Prizes per capita per capita than
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  Speaker 2: any other nation on Earth. So America's won more Nobel Prizes.
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  Speaker 2: Obviously we kept capital. I mean, you know, one of
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  Speaker 2: the most inventive nation in the history of the world.
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  Speaker 2: I say that with no apology. The electric motor, right,
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  Speaker 2: and this is like the nineteen hundreds is when the
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  Speaker 2: Nobel Prize came in, right, And so what about all
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  Speaker 2: the invention that was before that, you know, the height
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  Speaker 2: of the British Empire, the high British industry, and electric
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  Speaker 2: motor empowers everything. You know, Michael Faraday, You're welcome. Electromagnicism, Maxwell,
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  Speaker 2: you welcome, you know. All. So all of that and
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  Speaker 2: I was reading a report today, So we have Mondo.
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  Speaker 2: One in four young people are not in education, employment
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  Speaker 2: or training in this country. They're all signed off on
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  Speaker 2: benefits because they all have mental health problems. One is
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  Speaker 2: four young people. Right. I read a report today. There's
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  Speaker 2: a young lady she has five hundred thousand pounds a
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  Speaker 2: year with as a benefit influencer. Right, In other words,
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  Speaker 2: she has one million your followers. She's influencing people. She's
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  Speaker 2: kind of telling people how to how to milk the
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  Speaker 2: welfare system, the welfare state. Right. This is her ambition,
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  Speaker 2: she says, I have no ambition to get a job.
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  Speaker 2: And she's thirty one.
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  Speaker 1: This is her job.
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  Speaker 2: This is her job, how to melt And you have
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  Speaker 2: one million people following her trying to find out how
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  Speaker 2: to melt the system. So this part, you know, how
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  Speaker 2: have the mighty fallen? Right? How is the mighty fallen? I?
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  Speaker 2: Like I said, I boast about this nation for what
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  Speaker 2: we have achieved in in you know, in the century's past,
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  Speaker 2: to what we have now become and what you know,
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  Speaker 2: the generation that is now coming fourth is more interested,
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  Speaker 2: the younger people, more interested in being influencers or being
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  Speaker 2: being you know, welfare recipients than being drivers of industry
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  Speaker 2: by being inventors. You know, I mean that the great
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  Speaker 2: mantle that rests upon this nation of invention. So anyway,
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  Speaker 2: that's my little boast about this country. But that that's
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  Speaker 2: kind of where where we sort of you know, in
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  Speaker 2: terms of where the Europeans now realize it's it's they've
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  Speaker 2: now really got to catch up because the Americans are saying, sorry,
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  Speaker 2: we can't afford it. You want to keep you want
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  Speaker 2: to keep the Russians at day, you want to keep
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  Speaker 2: putting out, then you're going to have to, you know,
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  Speaker 2: stump up the money and change your So Europe is
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  Speaker 2: somehow is going to have to move from a welfare
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  Speaker 2: a welfare state system to you know, Germany now has
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  Speaker 2: talked about conscription. Poland now wants wants to have massive conscription.
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  Speaker 2: Germany wants to reintroduce conscription. They're amending their constitution. The
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  Speaker 2: money that is being banded about the European Union, they
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  Speaker 2: they're going to I think one hundred and twenty five
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  Speaker 2: billion euros that they're raising so European fense. But that's
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  Speaker 2: in addition to your June has already spent an addition
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  Speaker 2: eighty billion that it's put to defense. So there's a
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  Speaker 2: lot of money involved here. Yeah, and so I think
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  Speaker 2: it's going to Rejune, rejuvenate European inst the defense industry.
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  Speaker 2: So you know, that's kind of But yeah, but just
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  Speaker 2: to get back to that thing about where the Americans
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  Speaker 2: are unreliable, I say, well, from the American point of view,
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  Speaker 2: Europe has been unreliable since the time of Eisenhower.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, like ally, this is a good opportunity
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  Speaker 1: to share with the audience that we're going to be
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  Speaker 1: coming back to Europe Europe three point zero and they'll
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  Speaker 1: be with Billy Crohn and Ken Michael, myself, Josh Schwartz
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  Speaker 1: and maybe a couple others. But that that's gonna be
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  Speaker 1: August thirtieth, and then we'll be in Oxford, England, and
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  Speaker 1: then we're going to be heading over to Norway after
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  Speaker 1: that and then Germany. And so people get information about
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  Speaker 1: that propswatches dot Calm and just go to the events,
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  Speaker 1: scroll down and you can see the specific details. So
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  Speaker 1: we're going to be there. I mean, when you let's
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  Speaker 1: kind of rap this in a little bow here in
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  Speaker 1: this at least thoughts on it. All the things that
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  Speaker 1: are happening now, let's say in the past couple of months,
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  Speaker 1: you know, under Trump and maybe even a little bit
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  Speaker 1: under his first administration, how does this contribute And nobody's
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  Speaker 1: a propheit necessarily in that sense, But how does this
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  Speaker 1: contribute to the overall end time scenario as it relates
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  Speaker 1: to Europe? I think if we think, and not everybody agrees,
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  Speaker 1: but if we just assume for a moment that the
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  Speaker 1: revived Roman Empire you know of Daniel Chapter two is
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  Speaker 1: going to be europe Central Mediterranean based, so to speak,
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  Speaker 1: like the original Roman Empire was, and no doubt Europe
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  Speaker 1: is going to be involved in this. How do you
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  Speaker 1: think this is contributing? Because there's two things here. One is,
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  Speaker 1: as you mentioned, you have all these nation states that
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  Speaker 1: are approaching things that themselves through their own GDP like
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  Speaker 1: you said, Poland and others. But then you have the
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  Speaker 1: European Union itself, which is in one sense a separate entity,
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  Speaker 1: or at least a transcendent entity, uh, managing their own
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  Speaker 1: level of expenditures. And then you have another transcendent is NATO.
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  Speaker 1: So are they are they? Is this gonna within five years,
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  Speaker 1: let's say, is Europe going to be potentially a powerhouse
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  Speaker 1: which will then contribute to the coming you know, center
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  Speaker 1: of the beast system. I mean, what what's your thoughts on?
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  Speaker 1: How do you how do you think it's through?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah? I mean I haven't thought that much still on
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  Speaker 2: that one. I think I think, look, the world is
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  Speaker 2: heading for war, right, so it's on it's on the
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  Speaker 2: road to wall. We know that they will come a
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  Speaker 2: time where people say piece piece, But I think in
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  Speaker 2: the Europe is going to have to completely change its outlook.
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  Speaker 2: And for that, it's going to have to telling citizens
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  Speaker 2: that the like I say, the party is over, gravy
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  Speaker 2: trains over. The gravy train is over. So we're gonna
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  Speaker 2: have to begin to fund our own defense. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: you know, if you want to make some money, now,
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  Speaker 2: I suppose putting putting some money into European defense industries,
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  Speaker 2: Rolls Royce or you know, be a system. I'm not
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  Speaker 2: advising that I'm looking at I'm looking at how all
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  Speaker 2: the stocks you know, arising on these defense industries. So
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  Speaker 2: I think I think certainly that is going to that
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  Speaker 2: is going to increase where it's going to end up
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  Speaker 2: in the They actually said that for for you know,
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  Speaker 2: the Europeans or even like for the for the UK
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  Speaker 2: to sort of to to to fill to plug the
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  Speaker 2: gaps that the Americans provide for its defense capabilities. It's
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  Speaker 2: going to take ten years know about and about you know, forget, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: five percent for ten years, so the course so to
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  Speaker 2: do that, it's not like a time of war. Your
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  Speaker 2: restructing your economy right in this preparation for war. So
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  Speaker 2: so it's going to be interesting one not to see
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  Speaker 2: how that plays out and different you know, European partners
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  Speaker 2: in terms of how they see it. You know, there
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  Speaker 2: was there was talk of the Americans sort of abrogating
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  Speaker 2: their commander later because they've always had the supreme Allied
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  Speaker 2: commander and then the deputy is usually always gone to
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  Speaker 2: a British commander. That's just how it's always worked out.
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  Speaker 2: But there was talk, I don't know what is happening,
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  Speaker 2: but there was taught that the Americans would say, Okay,
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  Speaker 2: we're not going to have you know, the Allied supreme commander,
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  Speaker 2: and if that ever happens, that really is the case
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  Speaker 2: that America saying you've got to you've got to do
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  Speaker 2: this yourself because we're concentrating on China and you know,
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  Speaker 2: there's a lot of a lot of stuff going on,
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  Speaker 2: isn't there, you know, across the world, and it's like
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  Speaker 2: people countries like Australia. So the Chinese Navy just did
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  Speaker 2: a circuit of Australians, and the Australians are now saying, well,
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  Speaker 2: what have we got to do as a Western nation
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  Speaker 2: to uh to to sort of protect ourselves against Chinese aggressions.
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  Speaker 2: So there's there's massive amounts of things going on. And
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  Speaker 2: of course, you know, will the Uranians will they will
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  Speaker 2: will will I ran be struck with with you know,
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  Speaker 2: with their nuclear sites? Who knows that? Apparently I read
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  Speaker 2: today the Hohoties that Uranians have abandoned the Hohoties now
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  Speaker 2: because the game is up for them. So so just
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  Speaker 2: a lot going on one and I don't I think
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  Speaker 2: it would be a bit foolish to try and predict
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  Speaker 2: who what is actually you know, what's what, what's what's
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  Speaker 2: what's going to be? Uh you know, the outcome of
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  Speaker 2: all this other than I think, you know, which is
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  Speaker 2: to have to be aware that the end is upon us.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean we we saw, we saw the Jilani
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  Speaker 1: of Syria, the new you know HSD. You know president
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  Speaker 1: He's going to be meeting with Trump in Saudi Arabia
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  Speaker 1: and so that that's a big deal. And in one sense,
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  Speaker 1: and then of course you know, we for those that
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  Speaker 1: have been watching, you know, for twenty thirty years. When
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  Speaker 1: you see aircraft carrier group after aircraft carrier group making
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: their way across the world to the Middle East. That's
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: not done just to waste gasoline or fuel or nuclear
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: energy or whatever. And then we've seen seven you know,
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: be two bombers. Is a B one lancer bomber heading
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: over to Diego Garcia.
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: You know you guys on that island. And well, at
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: the moment we've just this, we signed it off. Apparently
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: Trump has as said, yeah, you can give it away,
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: you can give it back to Mauritius. And we go
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: to pay Mauritius nine and is up from million nine
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: million pounds a year. We don't have the money for that.
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: We've got to pay Mauritius to give the island because
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: apparently belongs to them, because the UN Court has decided,
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: the International Court just as decided it belongs to them,
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: which was a judge by a Chinese official. Can you
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: imagine a Chinese official. Of course, you know, our Prime
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: Minister is very much is a lawyer. So there's the
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: accusation that you know that they're more in tune with with,
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: you know, dealing with looking good on the international stage.
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: The natural strategic interest. That's sort of anyway. Yes, so yeah,
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: another thing to.
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, So, I mean, so we have this build
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: up that's happening right now in front of Arise, and
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: Trump has been uh, you know, well, I'll say it
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: this way. What we know about Trump is that when
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: he says something, a lot of times it can be
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: inflammatory or it's menchester of the part. That's all true,
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: but also he doesn't he does follow through on what
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: he says. And so he said basically to Iran, it's
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: either a you're gonna give it up, You're gonna give
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: up your nuclear thing, or we're gonna bomb you. So
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: that's it. I mean, we can do this the easy
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: way of the hard way, New Sheriff in tout and
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: so in fact, I think what you're seeing with the
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: Iranians with the houthis same thing we've been bombing. The
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: houthis I think justifiably so because of their disruption of
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: everybody there total terrorism in the Straits. But they I
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: think Iran sees the writing on the wall like wow,
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: they're bombing them. They're they're building up that they cannot
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: And I saw this too in another article that what
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: Iran is worried about more than a new than a
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: an United States attack, is that that would coincide with
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: a domestic rebellion of an overthrow because they's it hasn't
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: been their real their currency is the inflation is forty
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: percent the past few months, and so they what they
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: can't do is have instability of course with a US attack,
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: But what they were saying was that if you look
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: at the surrounding countries, all these border skirmishes, they cannot
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: handle all of that at once and then have an
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: internal rebellion by the people. And so they are very
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: very nervous about their regime getting overthrown simply by the
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: weight of all these things converging at once. So that's
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: a big deal. We know their liars honestly, I mean
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: about their nuclear program and as we've seen with the
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: JCPU eight, you know, going all the way back to
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: twenty fifteen, so you know, where's it, where's this setting?
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: The next few months are going to be quite interesting
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: because one of the things that helps us is Trump
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: also has even deadlines, like you know, this is the deadline.
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: Better have the answer by this. So thoughts on that.
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: Well, again, I mean, I think I think you have
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: to be more than a profit to to to promise
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: side of that what's going on in the Middle East, right,
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: because it's it's so it's so inflammatory. You know, will
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: the Ayatollahs ever give up te Iran, I'm not I'm
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: not sure that they ever they ever would, So maybe
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: what you're saying is correct that maybe they are just
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: they're cunning their losses with Hesbola and all their proxies
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: to to look after at home. But you know, you're
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: aware the threat was if the Americans come up to
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: to you know, threaten to to bomb, you know, bomb
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: bomb the nuclear sites, that we will do a preemptive strike,
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: bomb bomb Diego Gassia, which then from the UK standpoint
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: is as actually that might not be a bad idea
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: because the Marussians that they say, we don't want the
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: island anymore, you know. So yeah, it's it's it's it's amaze.
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  Speaker 2: I think the Middle East, you know, I think we
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: can only sort of look at that through through a
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: prophetic lens of where it's going, rather than saying, you know,
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: this is going to happen, and that's going to happen.
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: It's it's you know, it's more I think as well, Mom,
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: though about you know what's happening within our own civilization,
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: you know, and I you know, our Western civilization, because
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: I think there's an interesting narrative going on there as well.
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: You know, you know on that that that's a good
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: segue because help us understand, you know, in let me
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: give just a brief comment here in that in America
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  Speaker 1: we have the Bill of Rights. You know, we have
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: the freedom of speech, freedom of religion is tried you
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: know in the First Amendment, the freedom to gather peacefully.
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: Those those rights are those rights are only for citizens. Okay,
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: So if you're a foreigner here and you have a visa,
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: those aren't guaranteed for you at all. In fact, you know,
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: we reserve the right to kick you out if we
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: don't like what you say. So you know, we don't
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: we don't have to respect they don't come in with
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: the same rights because they're not citizens. And so if
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: they say these things that they're anti if they're Prolomas
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: or anti this, or just something we simply don't like,
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: anti American, we can revoke it. And that doesn't violate
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: any of our any of our freedoms or tried to
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: the constitution. So that's the case here, but in we
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: I in my own thinking as well, has I've tended
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: to think in terms of what you said Western civilization
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: that well, we got freedom of speech here. That's not
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: just an American thing, that's a Western civilization thing, right,
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: I mean is that all Europe's that way? And so
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: which is wrong thinking? So you know, talk about what
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: what truly freedom of speech means for you in England
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: or in the UK in general, and how that maybe
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: contrasts with how it might be for us, because I
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: think we might assume that you guys have the same levels,
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: but yet we're seeing people arrested for thinking and praying
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: and you know, and silently doing this, and we're like what,
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: We're making a post on on Facebook and we're like, whoa, whoa, whoa,
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: help us, help us, help the American understand the differences.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, well, let me just go back to some again,
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: some history. I think there's always historical context is good.
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  Speaker 2: So I was listening to a historic prominent historian and
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: you know, this is just his field, and I think
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: from from an American as the civilization is effective to
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: English civilization. So all the concepts that as an American
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: that you believe in. Right, so limited government, representative government,
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: independent judiciary, trial by jury, free markets, free free press,
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: freedom of worship, of assembly, freedom of speech, et cetera,
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: right to protest, capitalism, all that, all that began here.
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: It's all this, This was the birthplace of all of that. So,
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: which is why Americans, was why some of the strawments
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: will say, when the American let's say, the American Revolution,
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: the Revolutionary War, the the war there was actually England's
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: second Civil War or third Civil War, depending how many
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: what we have here, you know, it was a continuation
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: of British English ideas particularly which were fought out in
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: the New World. Right. So this so it we'll got
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: the idea that the Englishman is is a free person
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: with the very fuel of the of the of the colonists,
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: sort of their grievances right because their their rights as
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: free Englishmen were we're being we're being violated. Okay, So
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  Speaker 2: so you know we are your mother, we are your father.
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  Speaker 2: So so from that point of view, it's just it's
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  Speaker 2: a continuation. What you have there in America is a
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: continuation of these freedoms. But what we have seen certainly
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: is the is a particularly erosion and and of course
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: we've gone at this different ways of our nation. So
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: we don't have a separation of powers like you do,
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: but we have the balance of powers within our parliamentary system, right,
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: so everything that they're so a case in point that
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: we can we can mention about what the Americans of
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: the State Department picked up on about this person who
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: was caught praying within the exclusion zone of an abortion clinic.
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: So that was a parliamentary motion passed. Some people felt
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: it was too onerous, and then of course then there
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: is this idea of you know, where does freedom of
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: speech and where where does it begin? Because we all
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: put limits on freedom of speech my nation, your nation,
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: there has to be limits of freedom to speak. So
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: that was a parliamentary build up past. So the person
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: who was doing that was was was effectively breaking the law.
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: Now some people can say the law is and you
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: know it wasn't the good law. And you do have
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: the pro life people who was who was who were
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: kind of applauding the Americans for bringing this up because
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: here in the in the UK becausing more secular, we
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: don't have such a pro life lobby like you do
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: in in the States, and so I don't think I
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: don't think it wouldn't the abortion laws would never be
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: overturned here. All we can expect, I think best is
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: for you know, for a reduction in the work of abortion.
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: So that was kind of what's playing out there. So
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: this person was in one hundred and fifty meter exclusion zone, right,
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: so effectively that's why the police were arrested because because
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: they don't want to you know, people going to access healthcare,
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: that's what they call it, don't want them to feel
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: intimidated or feel you know, pressured, or feel distressed or
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: anything like that. Of Course, the you know, the pro
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: the pro life people, which I want would say, well,
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: what about the young person in the wood? Do they
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: not feel distressed by the actions you're going to take?
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: You know, So anyway, so this is kind of the balance,
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: and some people thought the balance was too too far,
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: you know, for you know, for the pro choice camp,
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: because we did have people protests againstside abortion clinics at
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: such a like you know that the what's going on
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: in America. So there's that argument going on. There's the
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: the you know, the other argument about I mean, we
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: did we do have. I mean, it depends what side
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: of course you're on. Right, So the protests in London
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: like last year with Hamas and from the River to
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: the sea, and you know the protest is full on
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: there right that. There was an interesting case here about
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: just happened a couple of days ago Mondo was the
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: police raided a Quaker meeting house, okay, to arrest a
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: group of activists. Now they weren't Quaker activists, they were
• 32:35
  Speaker 2: read they were in the Quaker house, but really go
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: into the place to arrest and the active it's like
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: a young a young people's activist group. And we have
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: like the stop oil activists last year you were bringing
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: London to a standstill, and this is what they were
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: planning to do again, was to bring London to a standstill.
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: So we do have the right to protest and all
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: of that. So the police went in. Of course, now
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: this is throwing up a whole constitutional problem that well,
• 33:03
  Speaker 2: the freedom of religion. It's in a place of religious
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: The Quakers are all up in arms about this. That's
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: a bit of an oxymora, because the Quakers are never
• 33:10
  Speaker 2: up in arms right right, because they're they're piece necked.
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: So you know, you've invad you've come into a place
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: of worship that's never happened, et cetera. And so where,
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: you know, where do you draw the lines. So some
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: of us will saying, well, hey, yeah, nipping in the bud.
• 33:22
  Speaker 2: We don't want people blocking, you know, stopping economic activity
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: because of their activism. But then there's another incident which
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: is kind of like moved on to the other edge,
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: where a social a couple, a husband and wife, agreed
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: with an appointment at the school and they of of
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: of the head and they they they got into a
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: bit of a slanging match or the WhatsApp on a
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: WhatsApp group, and the school was saying they were being
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: you know, sort of intimidating and they were being dis
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: this you know, so with disunity and what have you.
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: And they approached the police and the police said, well,
• 34:05
  Speaker 2: here's what you should do. So they called the police
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: to arrest them, arrested them in front of their six
• 34:10
  Speaker 2: year old girl. Six six cops turned up at the house.
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: They were arrested for eleven hours, right and and eventually
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: the cops says, there's nothing to answer here for I
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: should never gone to the police. So the police advised
• 34:28
  Speaker 2: the school to contake this cause in action to arrest,
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: and the police said, well, there was no case to
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: answer for it. She's never gone to So this is
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: kind of what But this is where we're at, I
• 34:36
  Speaker 2: think with pre speech, because this is the school thinks, now,
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: this is the way you should deal with, you know,
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: pair of difficult parents who are sort.
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: Of talk about who's intimidating who?
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: Now, yeah, who's intimidating who? But but I think it
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: you know, but you know what I'm as I thought
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: about this, I think it's the Internet which has really
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: launched this dilemma of the free speech dilemma in in
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: our in our societies. Because we're speaking before again about
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: the the I think it's the the American administration now
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: is revoking visas of students who who are either pro
• 35:18
  Speaker 2: Palestine or a pro hammer. So what where's a freedom
• 35:22
  Speaker 2: of speech there? So so again it's almost like, how
• 35:25
  Speaker 2: how do you navigate this whole whole idea of freedom
• 35:28
  Speaker 2: and speech? And you know, and of course you know
• 35:35
  Speaker 2: what a lot of people. I mean to get back
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: to the idea of Western civilization that there's a lot
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: of voices Now I think I don't know if you
• 35:43
  Speaker 2: agree with me on this, but there's a lot of
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: voices now talking about, you know, the saving of Western
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: civilization and suddenly Christianity now is all is all popular again, right,
• 35:54
  Speaker 2: the Judeo Christian civilization. This is what we we have
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: to say. But one thing I noticed Mondo. So you
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: get people like Jordan Peterson and Douglas Murray and you
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: know a lot of voices. We just had he did
• 36:08
  Speaker 2: an art conference here, you know, the Alliance of Responsible
• 36:12
  Speaker 2: Cistenship in London, fourteen hundred pounds apart to attend. I know, Prophecy,
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: watch us, your chief. And I noticed this trend, this
• 36:24
  Speaker 2: this conversation about now suddenly Judio Christian civilization. This is
• 36:29
  Speaker 2: what we have to say. It's all it's been, is
• 36:31
  Speaker 2: popular now to be you know, to be Christian. But
• 36:34
  Speaker 2: of course I've noticed that none of them actually want
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: to go to church, none of them want to repent
• 36:37
  Speaker 2: for their sins, none of them actually you know you understand.
• 36:42
  Speaker 2: So again it's this idea of using the argument because
• 36:49
  Speaker 2: we feel now our civilization is under threat, but what
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: civilization is under threat? Exactly? Your thoughts? That's more on that.
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: You know, this this goes back to you know, as
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: you know, I'm a big fantasy as Lewis, and you
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: know I wrote a run a study guide on the
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: Screwtape Letters. But you know, The Screwtape Letters is one
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: of his earliest books, you know, written basically around nineteen
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: forty one, you know, maybe started started writing it a
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: little bit earlier and in the midst of what we understand.
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: But he described how even back then there was a
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: goal to use Christianity for its use it as as
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: a launching point to establish other ends. And so in
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: this sense, people like you just said, that's what I
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: see is when you think about the Judeo Christian West,
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: so to speak, well, that's a far different cry than
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: a West which is going to use Judeo Christianity to
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: further its own, you know existence. Because what you said
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: is exactly right, and we see this in America too,
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: that you have have a maybe a lack of discernment
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: for a political movement or a Christian movement, when in reality,
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: you know, making America great Again it is a it's
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: a political movement obviously, Okay, no one should apologize for that,
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: but there's no doubt that that movement is using Christianity
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: for its benefit. And I'm not saying there's not genuine
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: Christians in the movement, because there is. But at the
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: end of the day, what we this is the question
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: whether it's saving Western civilization or in this sense, making
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: America great or making the Western civilization great again? Okay,
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: how do we define great? In the Bible, It's defined
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: by repentance, It's defined by a pursuit of forgiveness and
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: the further spirit, walking in the spirit, putting God first,
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: but ultimately holiness and sin right.
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: And so.
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: I think what we've seen is the abuse or the
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: leveraging of Christianity to help those ends. Because again, if
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: you again you ask anybody in that movement, they would hope,
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: oh well, well greatness again, is Trump defining This isn't
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: a criticism of Trump necessarily, it's just how is he
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: defining great?
• 39:18
  Speaker 3: Well?
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: I think he's defining as energy and dependence. You know,
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: economic prosperity, you know the Constitution itself being honored. Well,
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: those are all wonderful things, but that's not the same
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: as again, all those things could be true, and yet
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: America could be filled with unregenerate sinners who have no
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: desire to repent before a holy God as relates to
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: the Gospel. So again, as long as we caan't that
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: level of distinction that whether it's saving Western civilization from
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: what is this isn't a spiritual salvation, it's a political salvation.
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: But and again old only what do we know. I'd
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: rather have an economic America than a poverty. I'd rather
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: have freedoms that of course, because it was we know
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: that allows for freedom of presenting the gospel versus the
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: previous four years where we had a lot of censorship.
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: So that's how I would weigh into it in the
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: same thing. Yeah, how are we defining that?
• 40:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and I'm glad you. I'm glad you brought that up,
• 40:23
  Speaker 2: because very often what we're doing is we're defining it
• 40:27
  Speaker 2: as the barbarians are at the gate. Okay, so Rome,
• 40:33
  Speaker 2: you know, and and obviously the barbarians, and I use
• 40:38
  Speaker 2: that term just as an expression, right, I'm not just
• 40:42
  Speaker 2: calling people barbarians, but that expression of barian barbarians at
• 40:47
  Speaker 2: the gate. We use that, you know, with maybe the
• 40:50
  Speaker 2: migrations coming in, you know, bringing different ideologies, you know,
• 40:55
  Speaker 2: Islam or bringing all that in which are not compatible
• 40:59
  Speaker 2: with Weststern values. But then you question, well, now you know,
• 41:03
  Speaker 2: what are Western values. It's really interesting because all the
• 41:06
  Speaker 2: names that I mentioned the couple, they're the only one
• 41:08
  Speaker 2: that I know is actually a believer. Is I am
• 41:10
  Speaker 2: hercy Ali? She was actually a I think she was Somalia.
• 41:15
  Speaker 2: She was, she was raised a Muslim. She then became
• 41:18
  Speaker 2: an atheist, hangerd hung around with Richard Dawkins and his ilk,
• 41:23
  Speaker 2: and then in recent years has literally come a Christian
• 41:26
  Speaker 2: I think, a bona fide a believer. So her take,
• 41:31
  Speaker 2: of course, is the idea of of you know, the
• 41:34
  Speaker 2: barbarians at the gate, because she's raised in a Islamic culture,
• 41:38
  Speaker 2: so she knows what that culture does. Fair enough, but
• 41:41
  Speaker 2: what about let's call us, what about the barbarians with it? Right?
• 41:45
  Speaker 2: So you know, so, yes, the idea of what exactly?
• 41:51
  Speaker 2: Always trying to save? Here? What? What? What? What? What
• 41:54
  Speaker 2: are we trying to make great? Because just so I
• 41:56
  Speaker 2: was listening to Okay, So so now some years back,
• 42:01
  Speaker 2: I don't know if it's still the case that I'm
• 42:03
  Speaker 2: assuming it is. Let's assume it is that the greatest
• 42:07
  Speaker 2: purveyor of pornography in the world is the United States
• 42:10
  Speaker 2: of America.
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: That's true.
• 42:11
  Speaker 2: True, Yes, you know your form say so you know
• 42:15
  Speaker 2: this is freedom of expression, this is freedom of you know,
• 42:17
  Speaker 2: this is what we're trying to say. If you know
• 42:19
  Speaker 2: this Western this this Western civilization, and that you know
• 42:23
  Speaker 2: from from where I am, Western civilization is completely bankrupt.
• 42:27
  Speaker 2: Now I didn't even know I was. I was listening
• 42:31
  Speaker 2: to a Dennis Prager. You know, Dennis Prague. I'm going
• 42:34
  Speaker 2: to mention some names. So you know, very conservative. And
• 42:39
  Speaker 2: there is now apparently there is now there is child
• 42:45
  Speaker 2: there is child ai pornocracy apparently right, okay, so real
• 42:53
  Speaker 2: children are not involved. But there was a conversation I
• 42:56
  Speaker 2: listened to it yesterday, and you know, and he said,
• 42:59
  Speaker 2: he saying Judaism, there is no sin of intent, there
• 43:05
  Speaker 2: is no sin of the heart like in in in
• 43:08
  Speaker 2: in in Christianity, where she has said, if you've committed
• 43:11
  Speaker 2: adulter in your heart, so a man can have whatever
• 43:13
  Speaker 2: fantasy fantasies he wants. We we we don't condemn that.
• 43:18
  Speaker 2: We have nothing to do with that. And the other
• 43:19
  Speaker 2: the guy who was he was talking with, said, well, yeah,
• 43:21
  Speaker 2: but you know the fact that you're entertaining it not
• 43:25
  Speaker 2: with real children, but with with with virtual children is evil. No,
• 43:29
  Speaker 2: we don't call her evil. So so so I don't
• 43:32
  Speaker 2: know what they're trying to defend. And so you know,
• 43:34
  Speaker 2: and then you have you know, the other the other lady.
• 43:38
  Speaker 2: You'll know her. I'm talking about the christ Is King.
• 43:42
  Speaker 2: You know, that's that's her, that's her thing about christ
• 43:45
  Speaker 2: Is King. You know she's conservative, she's a Catholic now,
• 43:49
  Speaker 2: but she's you know, I mean, as listened to her,
• 43:52
  Speaker 2: she's she's talking about. But yet you know, putting adding
• 43:57
  Speaker 2: your voice to people like Andrew Tate, you know, the
• 44:01
  Speaker 2: violence of he's not we're all the violence of sinners,
• 44:05
  Speaker 2: don't get me wrong. But in terms of he's in
• 44:07
  Speaker 2: the news again now for his you know what he was,
• 44:10
  Speaker 2: what he was going on with his ex girlfriend. She's
• 44:13
  Speaker 2: pressing charges now. So in others, what are we trying
• 44:16
  Speaker 2: to save? What are we trying to make greater gain?
• 44:20
  Speaker 2: Or are we actually saying, you know, this thing is over,
• 44:23
  Speaker 2: This thing is as bankrupt as it can be. The
• 44:25
  Speaker 2: window that we that we have left, you know, as
• 44:30
  Speaker 2: much as we've had, you know, the civilized and you know,
• 44:34
  Speaker 2: I'm a fan of America, right that the sad the
• 44:38
  Speaker 2: Jesus isn't going to put up with this anymore. It's
• 44:42
  Speaker 2: just God isn't going to put up with it anymore. So,
• 44:45
  Speaker 2: you know, this this great civilization. You know, we could
• 44:50
  Speaker 2: say Western civilization is the greatest civilization that that has
• 44:55
  Speaker 2: arisen on earth. But you know, I think we have
• 44:58
  Speaker 2: to realize it's going to come to an end because
• 45:01
  Speaker 2: the perversion is getting greater.
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: Well you let me ask you this because we think
• 45:07
  Speaker 1: about uh, you know, these sins of the heart. So yeah, okay,
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: so maybe there's no you know, children being molested, which
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: we know that's not true. That's certainly it still exists.
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: But like legitimizing not only abortion as a freedom, legitimizing
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: the freedom to to be perverted in your own mind
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: without through AI or through you know, the coming doll revolution,
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: you know, the robotic doll and women and all, I mean,
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: you having your own you know wife. So we have
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: this very very delusional aspect of what is great. But
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: if you look back, think about I'll ask you this.
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: You know, the French Revolution? Is that a is that
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: Western civilization? I mean pretty atheistic, right? And is that
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: still considered a foundation of what Western civilization needs to
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: be saved? I mean, what do you think about that?
• 46:06
  Speaker 2: No, I mean, yeah, as an Englishman, of course I'm not.
• 46:09
  Speaker 2: Of course I had carried oats truck with the French Revolution.
• 46:13
  Speaker 2: But now here's here's something interesting. But we go back.
• 46:16
  Speaker 2: So Thomas Paine was an atheist, right said derogatory things
• 46:21
  Speaker 2: about about God. So Thomas Pain was the actually was
• 46:25
  Speaker 2: the it says, without the sort of Washington, without the
• 46:29
  Speaker 2: pen of Pain, the sort the sort of Washington would
• 46:32
  Speaker 2: be wielded in Vain. So Thomas Pain was actually the
• 46:35
  Speaker 2: sounding the herald, as it were for the colonists in
• 46:42
  Speaker 2: their in their in their separatist movement against the crown.
• 46:47
  Speaker 2: You know what I figured out, Mondo. We all live
• 46:49
  Speaker 2: in a contradiction. We all live in a great I
• 46:53
  Speaker 2: call it the great contradiction. And my thing is where
• 46:56
  Speaker 2: am I in this great contradiction in my own life?
• 46:59
  Speaker 2: So I'll come back to this. But again, the whole
• 47:02
  Speaker 2: you know, the idea of Christ is king. You know,
• 47:04
  Speaker 2: freedom of speech, freedom of expression. But I hope we
• 47:07
  Speaker 2: realize that as believers, Mondo, we gave up that freedom
• 47:13
  Speaker 2: when we became followers of Jesus, or Jesus used his freedom.
• 47:17
  Speaker 2: I only say those things I hear my father say,
• 47:20
  Speaker 2: I speak those things I see I do those things
• 47:23
  Speaker 2: I hear and see him do that. We commit to
• 47:26
  Speaker 2: say what he says that I see. Our words are
• 47:28
  Speaker 2: seasoned with grace and with all of you know in
• 47:32
  Speaker 2: kindness to me that I just you know, what's even
• 47:36
  Speaker 2: with your previous president Mondo to watch the vitriol from
• 47:41
  Speaker 2: Christians directed against President Biden, and you're thinking, okay, but
• 47:47
  Speaker 2: I say, you can get caught up in a movement,
• 47:49
  Speaker 2: the Maga movement, let's say, but actually, if Christ is king,
• 47:54
  Speaker 2: if Christ is king over this, then you bring this
• 48:00
  Speaker 2: to bear to speak grace. It doesn't mean you can't.
• 48:04
  Speaker 2: You can't. Dissent doesn't mean that, but it means every
• 48:08
  Speaker 2: word that you say is measured. You can't. You can't
• 48:10
  Speaker 2: throw yourself into the free speech tree. For all that
• 48:14
  Speaker 2: seems to be going on about, we want the rights right,
• 48:17
  Speaker 2: you know, to express ourselves any way we want to,
• 48:20
  Speaker 2: because we gave up that right to express ourselves any
• 48:23
  Speaker 2: way we want to, hopefully we did.
• 48:25
  Speaker 3: So.
• 48:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but yeah, so what's interesting? You know? So pain
• 48:30
  Speaker 2: So he meant he manages to ferment the American revolution,
• 48:34
  Speaker 2: but the Americans really never again what the historian of
• 48:38
  Speaker 2: thought was listening to, it was only half a revolution,
• 48:41
  Speaker 2: because all the Americans did was was they took the
• 48:44
  Speaker 2: British the system of governance, commons, lord's crown and just
• 48:50
  Speaker 2: created a three a tripath system and dressed it up
• 48:53
  Speaker 2: in Roman dress. There's only ever really hard a revolution,
• 48:56
  Speaker 2: the French Revolution. They got away with all of it,
• 48:59
  Speaker 2: they you know. And and of course it was Thomas
• 49:03
  Speaker 2: Pain then he was he was expelled for treason here
• 49:08
  Speaker 2: that he he died in Paris in the end, I
• 49:10
  Speaker 2: think alone and even the Americans reject he couldn't he
• 49:14
  Speaker 2: couldn't find any even though he was kind of the
• 49:17
  Speaker 2: voice behind the American Revolution, he couldn't find any compassion,
• 49:22
  Speaker 2: you know, so many years on because he then advocated
• 49:25
  Speaker 2: for the French Revolution, the overthrow the monarchy, the overthrow
• 49:28
  Speaker 2: the crowd. And interesting, it's being like Edmin Burke who
• 49:30
  Speaker 2: was for the colonists in America with railed against railed
• 49:34
  Speaker 2: against Thomas Pain. So what I'm trying to say with
• 49:38
  Speaker 2: all that, I don't know why we go onto that,
• 49:40
  Speaker 2: but it's it's all a bit deeper than people think.
• 49:43
  Speaker 2: We live in. We're living in this great contradiction getting
• 49:47
  Speaker 2: back to this idea of Western civilization. So okay, get
• 49:51
  Speaker 2: onto uh you know a favorite topic of we hadn't
• 49:54
  Speaker 2: really spoken about. But l A Mazuli it is right.
• 50:00
  Speaker 2: And the whole extraterrestrial thing which is going on on
• 50:02
  Speaker 2: the hybrid world, well, it's not it's not the Muslims
• 50:05
  Speaker 2: who are doing that. If I'm saying it's it's it's
• 50:08
  Speaker 2: it's quite possibly the American military that's that, you know,
• 50:12
  Speaker 2: doing And you know, I've got a different take on
• 50:14
  Speaker 2: that from from what the traditional line is. So if
• 50:18
  Speaker 2: all these threats are emergent emerging, it's not just the
• 50:21
  Speaker 2: barbarians at the gates, it's the Babarians within the gates
• 50:25
  Speaker 2: as well our own civilization. And so this idea, and
• 50:29
  Speaker 2: I'm glad you brought up brought up Lewis. I didn't
• 50:31
  Speaker 2: know if you said that. I'm not a Lewis readers.
• 50:33
  Speaker 2: So you are so that the idea that they would
• 50:37
  Speaker 2: use Christianity to to to to sort of you know
• 50:44
  Speaker 2: further the say, you know, yeah, to to to to
• 50:48
  Speaker 2: push an agenda. And like somebody says, you know, you're
• 50:50
  Speaker 2: complaining about Islam and the Muslims or have it. So
• 50:53
  Speaker 2: I'll see you all in church on Sunday then, But
• 50:56
  Speaker 2: they're not certainly not here. They're not. There's more people
• 51:00
  Speaker 2: to your country, but them that are in mind. Do
• 51:02
  Speaker 2: you want to say anything, No, you will.
• 51:05
  Speaker 1: I would say that this whole idea we have to
• 51:08
  Speaker 1: be careful because we can be unaware. You know, I
• 51:13
  Speaker 1: have it in my brain because seeing it again and
• 51:15
  Speaker 1: in Lewis's writings, and it was happening back then, but
• 51:18
  Speaker 1: it happens, you know, and you could use Christianity for
• 51:21
  Speaker 1: any sort of cause. And that's what I'm seeing here,
• 51:25
  Speaker 1: is there there is an enthusiasm for economic prosperity and
• 51:32
  Speaker 1: freedom of speech, especially because what we saw during the
• 51:36
  Speaker 1: COVID time lockdowns and and uh, you know, freedom liberty
• 51:40
  Speaker 1: is being removed and certainly censorship with all the in
• 51:43
  Speaker 1: social media, et cetera. So there's no doubt I'm rejoicing
• 51:48
  Speaker 1: in many of the things that are being done at
• 51:51
  Speaker 1: the moment, and trying also to uh, to keep in
• 51:54
  Speaker 1: mind that you know, God has called Jesus' kingdom is
• 51:58
  Speaker 1: not not aga Okay, it extends, transcends beyond all that.
• 52:03
  Speaker 1: We always have to make that keep that in our
• 52:06
  Speaker 1: minds that at the end of the day, no matter what,
• 52:09
  Speaker 1: we're called to preach the gospel, you know. And again
• 52:11
  Speaker 1: when we think about that, again, greatness to God is
• 52:16
  Speaker 1: defined as the gospel. Jesus died for sinners, you know,
• 52:20
  Speaker 1: he was buried, he was raised the third day to
• 52:22
  Speaker 1: save sinners, that the gospel will go out and repentance
• 52:26
  Speaker 1: and faith would be preached for the forgiveness of sins.
• 52:29
  Speaker 1: So that is the ultimate message that as Christians we have.
• 52:33
  Speaker 1: And so we have to be careful that when we
• 52:35
  Speaker 1: look at any movement in our own minds too, are
• 52:40
  Speaker 1: we enjoying this, are we getting sucked into our energies
• 52:44
  Speaker 1: being given to supportive movement that isn't necessarily or well
• 52:48
  Speaker 1: it's not overtly Christian because it's not defining greatness as sin.
• 52:54
  Speaker 1: So yeah, that's the distinction. And so I think for
• 52:57
  Speaker 1: us as we're you know, I guess we can kind
• 53:00
  Speaker 1: of wrap wrap it up here. But as we come
• 53:02
  Speaker 1: to a close, you know, any as you're looking out,
• 53:08
  Speaker 1: you know, and you're watching all this, any final thoughts
• 53:11
  Speaker 1: in this whole discussion, Well.
• 53:13
  Speaker 2: I think we have to realize that the sands of
• 53:16
  Speaker 2: time are running out. You know, I know, like President
• 53:19
  Speaker 2: Trump talked about a new Golden Age of America. Well
• 53:22
  Speaker 2: for an age, you need some years. I think we
• 53:24
  Speaker 2: don't have to, you know, considerable years a bit an age.
• 53:27
  Speaker 2: But what I would say, you know, listen, the reason
• 53:30
  Speaker 2: in my nation that we gave birth to the Industrial
• 53:33
  Speaker 2: Revolution and gave and gave birth to the modern world
• 53:35
  Speaker 2: and all of that and all. You know, it's because
• 53:37
  Speaker 2: we were the greatest Protestant missionary sending nation on earth
• 53:41
  Speaker 2: at time. So there's no there is there is a
• 53:44
  Speaker 2: connection there, right, And then of course that battle mus
• 53:48
  Speaker 2: passed to you guys. Now you know, so you you
• 53:52
  Speaker 2: you pick up the man plow and you know you're
• 53:55
  Speaker 2: now the greatest economic and military power on earth like
• 53:58
  Speaker 2: like we were. You know, so that all this stuff
• 54:01
  Speaker 2: has to come to an end. You know, we can't
• 54:04
  Speaker 2: be drawn into stuff. And I was watching us listen
• 54:06
  Speaker 2: to a podcast. We've got a couple of minutes among though.
• 54:08
  Speaker 2: But this is really interesting because the historians were saying
• 54:13
  Speaker 2: that the first city ever, the first city world history,
• 54:17
  Speaker 2: is a city called Uruk's it was it was raised.
• 54:25
  Speaker 2: I mean, well, all these notes, I do hope that
• 54:28
  Speaker 2: we could talk about Uruk the whole idea of Europe
• 54:32
  Speaker 2: five thousand years ago was there had these two great temples,
• 54:37
  Speaker 2: that of Ianna the House of Heaven. Maybe we should
• 54:40
  Speaker 2: talk about this another time. Maybe we can have a
• 54:43
  Speaker 2: second part of this conversation. How about that it's the
• 54:46
  Speaker 2: idea that what began in Uruk has to come to
• 54:49
  Speaker 2: an end, you know, and it comes to an end
• 54:53
  Speaker 2: there in the Book of Revelation, you know, because Uruk,
• 54:56
  Speaker 2: of course, from the biblical narrative, it's a city founded
• 55:00
  Speaker 2: by Nimrod, you know, and of course his was the
• 55:05
  Speaker 2: city of Babylon, and you know, they left off building
• 55:10
  Speaker 2: the city, so he goes to build these other cities.
• 55:12
  Speaker 2: But Uruk is an amazing from a historical archeological point
• 55:16
  Speaker 2: of view for us. As that podcast, I think you'll
• 55:18
  Speaker 2: find it really interesting. But again I think we have
• 55:22
  Speaker 2: to be aware that, you know, what began all those
• 55:25
  Speaker 2: years ago, the cities that began in the you know,
• 55:27
  Speaker 2: the sounds of the mud flats of Mesopotamia, and five
• 55:31
  Speaker 2: thousand BC, we've now reaching the end of this iteration
• 55:36
  Speaker 2: of human civilization and our nations are going to be judged,
• 55:42
  Speaker 2: and you know that great prophecy in Mike Current and Isaiah,
• 55:46
  Speaker 2: where he will judge amongst the nations, and he will
• 55:50
  Speaker 2: solve disputes amongst the nations. There will learn war no more.
• 55:55
  Speaker 2: You know, this is really what we have to look
• 55:58
  Speaker 2: for is and set our hopes on. And so in
• 56:02
  Speaker 2: this final great push whatever this window is Mondo of
• 56:07
  Speaker 2: some years, and I actually believe there will be some
• 56:10
  Speaker 2: sort of we have have some sort of revival. Some
• 56:12
  Speaker 2: people don't believe that. I think we have a windows
• 56:15
  Speaker 2: revival of renewal, of picking up the remnant uh and
• 56:19
  Speaker 2: where Jesus they will then come to establish his rule
• 56:23
  Speaker 2: and reign on earth. And we won't have all of
• 56:25
  Speaker 2: this this mixture. We won't have this good with the bats,
• 56:29
  Speaker 2: you know, we will we will truly have a Christian
• 56:33
  Speaker 2: Messianic judail. Christian civilization in its truest form. Is it
• 56:41
  Speaker 2: is it GK. Chesterton who said that, you know, it's
• 56:46
  Speaker 2: not that Christianity hasn't been tried, it's that it hasn't succeeded.
• 56:51
  Speaker 2: It's that it hasn't been tried, you know, true Christian civilization.
• 56:55
  Speaker 2: So maybe that's a positive note to end our discussion on.
• 56:59
  Speaker 1: Because that really is the key, is that all of
• 57:02
  Speaker 1: us look forward to the Lord's return, where he not
• 57:05
  Speaker 1: only will have the wisdom, the character, the love, the
• 57:10
  Speaker 1: righteousness for sure, but he'll have the power to institute
• 57:14
  Speaker 1: and rule with the rod of iron. I mean that
• 57:16
  Speaker 1: that's that's really the goal, and that's going to be
• 57:19
  Speaker 1: the true gold and kingdom age. But even there, you know,
• 57:22
  Speaker 1: we'll see that sin is still hanging out and in
• 57:26
  Speaker 1: the periphery, and that'll one day be be rectified. Graham
• 57:31
  Speaker 1: as always great talking. You're great, and we'll we look
• 57:34
  Speaker 1: forward to seeing you here in six months or so
• 57:36
  Speaker 1: for sure, and we'll be back for another podcast. But
• 57:40
  Speaker 1: just want to remind everybody again we're going to be
• 57:42
  Speaker 1: going to England, Norway and Germany. If you want information
• 57:45
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• 57:51
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• 57:54
  Speaker 1: great time. Okay, yep, thank you everybody for watching. We'll
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