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Resource Report 2 - Peer Olympia · Resource Report

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Hello and welcome to Resource Report, where we share with you important information about
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local nonprofits and resource organizations that support the community we share, produced
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by Pathways to Agency.
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I am your host Rainmaker, and today we will hear all about a fabulous organization located
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downtown called Peer Olympia.
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When I walked inside, I saw along the wall to the right lots of encased flyers advertising
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all the different groups we will hear about later, and to the left a few different rooms
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with clear glass walls, some with people having a meeting inside.
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Everything was in gray and white, but it felt clean and comfortable like a community center.
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I could see a coffee stand behind the counter, where friendly looking people smiled at me
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as I walked in.
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Soon I was walked to the back and entered a very large room that looked out towards
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Legion Way just off the corner of Franklin, where I interviewed site director Stephanie
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Tompkins and program manager Bri McNeley.
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Here's Peer Olympia.
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Hi, I am here at Peer Olympia downtown at the corner of Franklin and Legion.
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I am meeting with Stephanie Tompkins and Bree McNeley.
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And you guys are, what do you all do here?
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I am a site director.
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And you?
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And I'm a program manager.
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Cool.
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Okay, so can you please explain briefly how long Peer Olympia has been here and how it
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got started?
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Yeah, I'll try to keep it brief.
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In 1984, people were dying of AIDS, and so there was a thing called Susan Dunshey House,
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and it was people holding the hands of people dying of AIDS.
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And when medicine came out in the 90s, that kind of started morphing because they didn't
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need that service anymore, and it started morphing into behavioral health.
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In 2013, our CEO came in and was a volunteer, worked his way up to be the CEO, and had a
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vision of opening more sites.
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And so they rebranded.
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It had changed from Susan Dunshey to Seattle area support groups, and then it got rebranded
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to Peer Seattle.
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And then after Peer Seattle came Peer Spokane, then Peer Kent, and then Peer Olympia.
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And so we opened three years ago.
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Oh, that's cool.
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Yeah.
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Y'all have only been here for three years.
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Three years.
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And a couple of months.
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Wow.
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It feels like y'all have been here forever.
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It feels that way sometimes.
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And the three years we've been here, we've really embedded quickly into the community.
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I think that it was something the community needed and just embraced us.
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And I think we have over, what, 3,000 members at this point, something like that.
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Y'all are doing some good work.
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Tell us about that good work you're doing.
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What are the services that y'all have?
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So our primary service is peer coaching.
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That is one-on-one sessions between a coach and a recovery.
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People who are in recovery and have lived experience.
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So our coaches all go through a training that we do here.
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And they have lived experience with really any type of recovery.
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That can be substance use.
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That can be mental health.
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It can be chronic illness, trauma, being part of a group that is marginalized.
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And so we have a wide variety of coaches to meet the needs of our community.
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I think we have over 40 coaches and 80 recoveries.
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Then we also have support groups.
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So we have about 22 support groups that every single day we have one to three, four support
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groups going on.
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Again, a wide variety of support groups.
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It's mostly volunteers who come in and say, hey, I'm looking for this support group.
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I can't find it.
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And we say, we can give you training.
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Why don't you start one?
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And so it's, again, really responding to the needs of the community.
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We do front desk resource and referrals.
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So people come in looking for various resources.
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So we will offer that.
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And then we do supportive housing.
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So a peer who has lived experience with being either unhoused or not having stable housing,
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helping people navigate the systems that are in our service area.
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We do same thing with employment.
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So again, peers who have struggled with employment, helping those who are still navigating those
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resources and either looking for employment or education.
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And then we also have family navigation, which is a family member.
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So a loved one essentially supporting a loved one that has substance use issues.
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So that can be a friend, that can be an actual family member.
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But it's really supporting that family member to help navigate substance use resources or
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just talking about how that relationship is impacting them and their own recovery.
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Wow, that's really cool.
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That's really cool.
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I'd like to know, like, what does the peer coaching look like?
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Like give me like, like, OK, I'm coming to do peer coaching.
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What would I be doing?
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What's going on?
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That's a great question.
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So our peer coaches are CCAR certified through what's called a Recovery Coach Academy.
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It's a five day training that teaches people how to utilize their lived experience to help
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others.
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We are really we don't have a particular pathway that we try to stick with or anything like
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that.
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Like we really try to meet people where they're at.
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You don't have to be abstinent.
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You don't have to be part of like a 12 step group or anything like that.
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People have the option to choose whatever pathway they want.
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So our coaches then utilize their own lived experience.
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We match based on three things.
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So one is lived experience of, you know, they're going through something similar as the recovery.
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Two is that maybe the coach has achieved a goal that the recovery also wants to achieve.
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And three, perhaps they the recovery wants a coach that's part of like a certain identity.
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So maybe we have someone who's gender nonconforming or trans or a person of color who wants to
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meet with someone with that same identity.
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We can match based on that as well.
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So it's a one on one meeting or session that they have weekly.
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It's for 26 sessions.
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So that comes if they meet once a week, that's six months.
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And we're really here to support the recovery and finding natural supports.
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So we kind of step in and then step back.
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We really focus on building self-efficacy within that person.
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So we're not going to make a phone call for them or fill out paperwork for them or anything
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like that.
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We're going to sit with them while they do it and really help support them through that
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anxiety or whatever they may be experiencing.
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And then they yeah, once they're done, then the recoveries graduate and they can become
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coaches at that point if they choose to do so.
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So the model kind of looks like starting as a volunteer, you know, having a coach and
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becoming a coach.
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And that's really kind of how our model works.
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Like it's sort of like self-guided.
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Yes.
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So it's like the people coming to do the to have received the peer counseling are kind
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of like they have their own autonomy.
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This is when I can meet and you know, if they need to change the pacing of how often they
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come, they can do that.
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It's 100% self-guided.
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And we really talk about, you know, not fixing people like people can fix themselves.
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And we're really there to just witness that journey for them and offer support without
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judgment.
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Hey, I've been there too.
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So yeah, it can be a really unique thing.
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There, you know, we pair well with clinical and things like that.
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But we really are a separate peer service that is peers helping peers.
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So it just is a unique relationship for people who really are just looking for a safe and
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judgment free space to be able to talk about their challenges.
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Yeah.
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And you had said that that also can lead into how does one start working.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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And I think that's a really good point, well, Brea herself was a coach for quite a while
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for us before becoming a staff member.
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What determined is the person themselves that come for the peer counseling that they determine
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when they feel like they're ready to move to a next level or is it kind of mutual, y'all
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kind of arrive at that place together?
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Yeah, I think both.
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I mean, you know, if somebody, you know, we've, we just hired a coach, we had three positions
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open, we hired a coach and we hired a volunteer intern for two of the positions.
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And then one position is somebody we just never knew before this.
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So a lot of times it is the person, we had a volunteer here who worked here for a year,
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didn't want a job.
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And after a year of volunteering here said, hey, maybe I do want a job and applied for
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one of our positions and did that position for two years.
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And they just moved on to a new job.
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So a lot of the model is for people to come in.
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And if they feel they want to get a job here, it doesn't mean they're going to, of course,
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because we have the interview.
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Yeah.
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So yeah, it is, it's a lot of mutual kind of deciding, you know, because we also have
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to consider the people that we serve.
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And we don't want to put someone into a position, whether that's a coach or staff or a facilitator,
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where their recovery isn't strong enough to, or just aged enough, I guess, where maybe
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the the stress or the vicarious trauma burnout is going to put their own recovery at risk.
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So we really try to think about how is coaching going to affect this person.
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And they get to decide if they're in a spot in their own recovery that would allow them
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to be able to do this.
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But we definitely offer a lot of support, a lot of scaffolding around that, because
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we absolutely don't want to cause harm to either them or the person they're meeting
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with if we've had people who have gone into coaching thinking that they were ready and
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they did fantastic and then just something happened and they relapsed and then kind of
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left four of their people hanging.
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You know, and of course, they were struggling as well.
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So we have to kind of consider the whole picture of, you know, how do we minimize harm as much
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as possible?
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Right, right.
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Absolutely.
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Like understanding where people are at all given times, what capacities there are, and
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just, you know, big disclaimers, right?
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So, yeah.
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So, yeah.
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So, yeah.
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So, yeah.
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So, support groups.
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I know that you all have so many.
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Can you give me examples of some of them?
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Yeah.
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One that we do is DBT skills building class.
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So it's people who have been through DBT or going through DBT practicing the skills often
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with clinical, like there's homework that's given and the therapy itself.
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So it's really giving people an opportunity to practice those skills that they, you know,
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were given as homework.
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That's dialectical behavioral therapy, right?
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Yeah.
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Can you explain what that is real quick?
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Yeah.
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It's basically a therapy that was built on taking what was most effective from other
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therapies, so like cognitive behavioral therapy, mindfulness-based stress reduction, that type
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of thing, and kind of taking the most effective skills and tools from those therapies put
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together.
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And it really breaks down kind of the emotional process that we go through, whether that's
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cognitive or emotional or, you know, just our thinking patterns.
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And it breaks that down into smaller pieces and then looks at those smaller pieces and
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where we can have intersections and have kind of, what do I want to say, kind of a break
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or a space where we can do something different.
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And so that it's really just a space for people to be able to talk about their skills, how
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they're using those skills and practice those.
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That's really great for like if you're emotionally dysregulated.
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Yeah, and then for distress tolerance or mindfulness and then interpersonal relationships.
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We have a new group.
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It's an ADHD autistic group that just started like a month ago and it is really well attended.
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And then we have some reentry groups.
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We have formerly incarcerated sisters.
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We've got a couple of parenting groups.
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We have a Healing for Healer on Thursday nights.
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Somebody just took over that group.
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So we'll see how that one turns out.
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What else do we have?
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Oh, we got reading groups.
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We got writing groups.
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We have a music group.
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A music group.
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We have an art group.
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Creative Connections.
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The art group is very popular.
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We have two board game groups, one for adults and the one for families.
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We've got our, more or less it's our unhoused group.
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We do that every morning from nine and we just extended it.
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It used to be nine to ten and we just extended the hours to nine to ten thirty where people
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can come in and get warm.
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They can charge your phones and that's pretty well attended group also.
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And coffee.
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They were just watching Shrek this morning.
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So I kept seeing them in there and they were doing really good there but they were just
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kind of staring into space because they're not facilitating like we do our other groups.
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So they were staring into space and I thought, man, they don't ever get to watch movies.
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They don't ever get to, you know, wouldn't it be cool just to give them a movie?
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So I talked to the person who is pretty much the facilitator of that group and first off
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they wanted to go to ten thirty.
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They said that would be great.
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And then the movies, they love that.
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And so I went in this week and just let them know, hey, nothing too violent.
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And so their first pick was Wish.
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So they watched Wish and now they're watching Shrek.
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So they're watching movies that are, it's so sweet.
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And but that's a really popular group.
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We have anywhere from three to eight people in that every morning.
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So when you're when you're existing outside of life looking in, when you step into a place
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and you're watching just any old kind of movie like that, it's like it's it's like reminds
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you that you're part of life and part of the world and that in itself is very empowering
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because we're not a day center.
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No.
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So we don't have people hanging out there.
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And so that gives people a space to come in and just kind of like at a day center kind
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of situation.
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We are service center.
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So if you don't have an appointment, you can get some coffee and leave.
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But that's one that they can sit in for an hour and a half and just enjoy the morning
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and get warm.
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Yeah.
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So we are services appointment based center.
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But we also offer coffee, tea, water to anyone that wants to come in because we hope that
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when they're ready to enroll in services, if they're ever ready to enroll in services,
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that they know that we're a safe space for them to come in, get treated with dignity.
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We try to keep our space really clean.
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I know when I was receiving services, some places I would go in and feel like less of
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a person just because it didn't seem like they really cared about their space.
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And here it's really important to us to offer a clean, safe space that they can be treated
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with dignity.
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Everyone gets treated with dignity.
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And like I said, when they're ready to enroll in services, then we're here for them.
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And there's been some really great surprises that have come out of that where you don't
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want to think negative about people, but you just kind of are like, oh gosh, I really hope
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this person gets out of this cycle.
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But with how bad the fentanyl epidemic is, it just sometimes you feel like you're losing
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hope that are people going to be able to find their way out.
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And we've had some really great surprises of people coming in and being like, I'm ready.
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I'm ready to access services.
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And people that you never thought would, you hoped they would.
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But the reality of it is that fentanyl is just a really nasty beast to deal with.
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Talking about the housing support.
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Yeah.
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So we don't offer housing.
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We don't have funding associated with our housing services or anything like that.
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But like I said, it's a peer who has had housing instability navigating the resources in the
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area for that housing.
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So we navigate a lot of the coordinated entry system, which is like our county system to
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get into shelter or tiny homes or hotels or something like that.
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So it's just a lot of navigating vouchers or knowing what to do with them or how do
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I look for an apartment that's only this much that the voucher will actually cover and just
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kind of processing the frustrations around the system and not having enough housing.
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Yeah.
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When somebody comes in, we do goals.
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What is their goal?
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And then that housing person will work with them.
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Maybe they've had an eviction in their past.
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So how can they navigate to get housing with something like that?
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They may need ID.
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They may need a social security card.
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So really helping them navigate what is it they need and then how can we direct them
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into the right direction to get those needs met?
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That can also include services like legal aid and stuff like that.
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Yes.
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Yeah.
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So you never know what a person, you know.
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So we don't have funding.
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So it's really just supportive housing.
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We support people in their quest for looking and looking at barriers and what is keeping
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you from getting a house and trying to support them with that.
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It's really wonderful and fabulous.
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As another group that I've talked to that are supporting people with navigating some
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of those things as well, that would be power.
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Are there any other groups that y'all know that do that as well that you'll connect with?
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Most housing agencies in this town do FCS, foundational community support.
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We do FCS.
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A lot of agencies because it's a billable service, a lot of agencies do only FCS.
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You have to be FCS to be able to meet.
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We do anybody.
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We don't, that's the low barrier we have being able to come here is we don't charge.
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All our services are free and we don't say, oh, you don't have FCS.
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We can't work with you.
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Same with employment.
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We work with anybody who walks in the door who asks for housing support or employment
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support, education support.
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So a lot of the other agencies do FCS only and they actually maybe have, there's a funding
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through FCS called TAP.
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We don't do that, but they do and that's some housing money that it's spent until January.
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So there are a lot of agencies that do housing, family support center, they do a housing,
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they do coordinated entry.
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We've got Pipe does some kind of housing.
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I mean, every agency does some kind of capital recovery center.
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There's just so many, oh, who just showed up today.
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The community council.
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They're here meeting with Connor right now.
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They do FCS.
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So there's just like almost every agency in this town does some kind of housing practically.
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But usually y'all kind of like fill in that little gap of that gray area.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Because generally that housing is linked to something else.
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So go through treatment, we'll get you housing afterwards or go through mental health.
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It's like a string attachment where you have strings attached.
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So you have in a way you have more freedom.
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Yes.
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But in another way, y'all hands are tied.
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Yeah.
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So it's like, that's really cool though.
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Definitely fills the space that has a need.
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Yeah.
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And so you mentioned something, your resource connections on your website, fill that space
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like with the housing, but like with other things as well.
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You know, coaching does that, our housing, our employment.
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And if somebody comes in and needs somewhere to sleep tonight, they know how to send them
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to a place where they might be able to sleep tonight.
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Whether they want to go there or not is, you know, but we have those resources, you know,
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of where you could go sleep tonight.
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That's barrier free, where you can get a meal, where you can get a shower, things like that.
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So it's so wonderful.
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Yeah.
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It sounds like there isn't anybody who can't help.
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You know, a lot of times, a lot of times, like people, you know, I've heard this before
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and that people don't think that they would qualify for services or they're self-conscious
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about it or there's just all kinds of reasons why people don't want to go out for help,
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you know.
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And so can you think of any reason why there would be somebody, what circumstance would
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there be that you would not be able to help them?
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So I think, so we had a family come in with a baby, unhoused.
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All we can do is send them to an agency that could help them.
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Do you see what I'm saying?
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So there's nobody we need to turn away without at least a resource, but there is nothing
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we could do for them other than give them a resource, you know.
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And it just so happened that day we were doing section eight sign up, we hosted other agencies
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to come in, so because it was only open for I think two weeks.
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And so everybody had to hurry up and get signed up.
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So we hosted space that a lot of people could come in and that family came in that day.
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So we were able to send them back here to get signed up for section eight, which was
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nominal.
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But it's like here, sign up for section eight.
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So in a couple of years, you can have housing.
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It's difficult because there's just not enough housing, affordable housing out there.
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And I would say as far as like referrals, there are definitely people that because we're
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not crisis responders, we're not a day center.
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So anyone in crisis is not suitable for our services at this time.
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But it's always a tomorrow is another day type of attitude.
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So we don't really believe in punishment.
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We believe in natural consequences.
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So hey, you had to blow up in the lobby.
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Let's try again tomorrow.
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Right.
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Oh, you blew up again in the lobby.
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The next day, we're going to do a one week ban.
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So it's kind of a graduated natural consequence.
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But that doesn't mean and there's very few people that as soon as we see them, we're
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like, nope, like we're trying to head them off and talk to them outside because they're
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just in a chronic state of escalation.
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But we've had people who I can think of one in particular who was very violent towards
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Stephanie actually, who came in and every time he would come in, it was just immediate
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escalation.
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He wasn't accessing any services and he just had a tough time.
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He came in a couple months ago and was like, I'm ready for services.
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And he's one of those that you never thought you would see that you hoped for it.
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So even someone who one of the few who have been banned, it's never permanent.
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And if they come in and say, I want to access these services, we're going to say, OK, let's
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do it.
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So yeah, anyone in crisis is not going to be we're not going to be able to help them.
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The best we can do is try to see like, do you want us to call someone for you?
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Do you want us to call crew or OHRS or trying to connect them to someone that can help them?
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And the other reason we wouldn't help somebody is that they didn't want it.
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So sometimes we get people coming in who are like brought in by their parents or and we
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only do 18 and over.
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But like I just had this conversation last week with our family who was saying, hey,
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the parent wants this for their adult child.
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But I don't know that the adult child wants it.
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And so we say no, because we would check in with that child and say, do you want these
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services?
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Your parent cannot meet with you unless there's a justifiable reason for it, because it has
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to be 100 percent autonomous.
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So it can't be court ordered.
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It can't be something where we would have to report to somebody with the exception of
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our funders.
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But that's different.
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So we wouldn't be we can be part of a treatment plan, but we're not going to report to unless
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that person asks for some document from us, we can give it to that member.
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But we're not going to give it to the courts or to their therapist or to that without them
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asking for it specifically.
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So that would be another reason is if it was not their decision, it has to be 100 percent
28:11
autonomous.
28:12
They have to want the service in order to be enrolled in it.
28:15
That's important information, especially like when you think about medical services and
28:20
actually because the whole medical system may need to fill out like releasing information
28:25
stuff.
28:26
So you don't talk with that at all.
28:28
There's rare times that we do, but it would be at that person's request.
28:34
And we can do that definitely do some ROIs.
28:37
But it has to be that person's.
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And people want us to talk to their people.
28:43
Yeah.
28:44
And that's great.
28:45
That's fine.
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But how I normally navigate that is I will put it on our official letterhead.
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I will include my information on there and I will give it directly to the member and
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then whatever they want to do with that document, they can do what they want.
28:59
That's an important thing to know.
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Yeah.
29:03
Walk me through the actual literal process.
29:07
If somebody says, OK, I'm ready to receive services.
29:10
Well, they'll come in the door and one of our front desk people will give them a member
29:16
intake and it's on an iPad.
29:19
And it's pretty simple to use.
29:23
If they need help, one of our front desk volunteers will help and we'll even.
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Yeah, we've helped.
29:29
I've helped many people fill out the member intake.
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Whatever level of help they need to fill it out, we will help them with that.
29:39
And once in there, there's all our services and they get to mark which ones they want.
29:45
And our front desk staff will explain to them what the services are, whether what are you
29:50
signing up for.
29:51
After that, an email goes to if they ask for coaching, an email will go to our coach leads
29:57
saying, hey, this person's asked for services.
30:00
And then the coach lead within a couple of days will call that person or contact that
30:05
person email if they have contact info.
30:09
Sometimes they don't put contact information in there and that's always difficult.
30:13
They don't have contact information.
30:15
So but whatever department they signed up for, we'll get a hold of them and start the
30:20
process of them getting like coaching, start the process of them getting a coach.
30:26
That's kind of how it works.
30:27
And that's true with every department.
30:29
Yeah, and the front desk knows that if they don't have contact information, we have drop
30:33
in hours for most of our services on Fridays.
30:37
So they can come in and drop in and meet with that lead and talk to them about what the
30:43
services are, if they want to enroll and how can we get a hold of you or setting up appointments
30:48
or something like that.
30:49
So we can still work with them if they don't have contact information.
30:51
You say that again when the drop in is on Friday.
30:55
It's Fridays 11 to 1.
31:00
Do you partner with any other resources?
31:09
So many.
31:10
So many.
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Too many.
31:12
I named some of them earlier.
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Yeah.
31:14
Yeah.
31:15
So we're a partner, so we try to situate ourselves as kind of a peer hub for providers.
31:22
We do a lot of the training for the peers at other organizations.
31:27
They attend our Recovery Coach Academy and we've trained so many from multiple providers.
31:35
Even in, because our service area covers Thurston, Mason, Lewis and Grace Harbor.
31:40
So we've even gone to other counties to do Recovery Coach Academies there.
31:44
And so we try to position ourselves as somewhere that people can come and feel comfortable.
31:50
And we used to do kind of a provider get together where all the peers could get together and
31:55
get support from each other.
31:57
That's kind of on pause for now.
31:58
But yeah, we have a lot of agencies when they get new hires, they call and ask me when's
32:03
the next Recovery Coach Academy because they want their new hires to come through.
32:08
They want all their staff to be trained here.
32:11
And then your de-escalation training.
32:13
Yeah, I do a trauma informed de-escalation and crisis intervention.
32:16
And it's really for peers and for volunteers because our front desk is 100% manned by volunteers.
32:24
And we do have our front desk coordinator that's always around up front, you know, Monday
32:29
through Friday.
32:32
That training is really geared towards like bite size accessible things that people can
32:37
do in a crisis situation.
32:40
We do pronoun training, the importance of pronouns and what that looks like in our work.
32:47
We do some other training.
32:49
So anytime we have a training, it's really well attended.
32:54
And then we absolutely work with all the resources that we can possibly find, you know, to help
33:00
navigate through, whether it's housing or other program managers, just like a wizard
33:06
at different programs and just staying on top of it because it's just a constant change
33:14
that, you know, you can have a big old resource list, but then you have to update it almost
33:19
like weekly or monthly because funding runs out or this program's changing their criteria
33:26
for taking referrals or this program's full.
33:30
And so it's just this constant updating of the resources in the area.
33:36
So our front desk, like I said, is manned 100% by volunteers.
33:41
So that's just a constant like update as well to work with all of these programs.
33:49
And then we also offer space.
33:51
A lot of the programs that are out there like arrest jail and alternatives or like HEN or
34:00
we were having someone that was doing coordinated entry.
34:04
So a lot of our, we have crossover, right?
34:06
We have members that are accessing those services.
34:09
And so sometimes providers will come here.
34:11
We have an office that's called the provider office and they can meet with our members
34:17
to kind of have one-on-one FaceTime with them.
34:19
So that's kind of a cool thing that gives people Face-to-Face time in a world where
34:23
it's just a lot of phones or emails or forms or whatever that's hard to navigate.
34:28
So yeah, we try to include outside providers as much as possible as what we do.
34:35
I know a provider used our space last week to do a training with their staff.
34:39
MI training.
34:41
I think there was almost 20 people in here or something.
34:44
So yeah, and we offer our space to providers to be able to do that because it brings people
34:50
in the door to get, you know, I think being in our space really helps people understand
34:57
what we do.
34:59
And so offering these trainings for free and really connecting with providers, I think
35:04
it's something that Thurston County does really well.
35:06
If you go to other counties, there's a lot of gatekeeping with services.
35:11
And it's interesting because we're all helping the same community.
35:15
We're all helping the same people.
35:17
So we need to connect as much as possible to be able to provide what's out there.
35:23
And yeah, that's always been an interesting, weird thing that I find strange.
35:29
Like the training that was last week, they actually wanted three days and the dates that
35:36
they wanted, two of them didn't work.
35:39
They could have changed to different dates, but they were kind of locked into those dates.
35:43
So they just used us for one of those and we found a space somewhere else.
35:47
How many, what do you do to get in and have a space to use for something?
35:52
They just get over to me every year.
35:54
One of us, yeah.
35:55
We just like, oh, we've got this room available at this time.
35:59
We have to look and see if we have it.
36:01
What is the capacity that you have?
36:03
How many rooms?
36:04
We've got three group rooms, support group rooms.
36:08
We've got two coach rooms.
36:09
We've got the big training room and then all our offices.
36:13
Are you all able to provide like any kind of materials or whatever?
36:17
Do you all have like already like a whiteboard or?
36:20
Yeah, we have like some easels that we use for our trainings.
36:24
We always have fidget toys for people who, you know, in our training.
36:28
So we can always bring those out.
36:29
We have markers and you know, there's, there's like basic supplies that we can offer more
36:37
so like with food and stuff like that.
36:40
Like we can offer coffee and tea just like we would normally would.
36:44
And then if there's any food or anything like that, like they would provide that and any
36:48
like specialty supplies that they might need.
36:51
But yeah, we do have a big whiteboard and like individual easels that have the big like
36:57
pads on it.
36:58
And we have the.
36:59
It's an overhead projector.
37:00
Yeah, we have a big projector for the speakers.
37:07
So it's, it's a really nice space for, we have some bigger like there's an NA meeting
37:13
that meets in here.
37:15
There's two more groups that are going to be moving back here.
37:18
They started out in the meeting room up front and they've outgrown that space.
37:22
So now they're going to start using the training room.
37:25
And yeah, we have zoom capabilities in two of our group rooms and in the in here, the
37:32
big training room and yeah.
37:35
And we have to talk about our agencies.
37:39
We have a provider appreciation that would be our second annual.
37:44
We didn't have one the first year we opened, but ever since last year we started it and
37:49
we have it this year in December where we already we have 67 RSVPs from different agencies
37:58
around here.
37:59
So we've been prepared.
38:01
That's what the lights are about is we're getting ready for our provider appreciation.
38:06
We're getting getting there.
38:08
We have a little more decorating to do and yeah, just to say thank you to the providers
38:14
that are in the area and we do like an auction and it's all or a raffle, not an auction.
38:21
We do a raffle and have food.
38:24
We're doing last year and this year we're doing fry bread tacos and and then we also
38:32
make medicine to hand out at the provider appreciation.
38:35
So like bombs and solves and things like that.
38:37
I'm seeing I'm in the what is this room that we're in?
38:41
Big training room.
38:42
This is the big it is a very big.
38:43
Lots of beautiful windows and lighting.
38:45
I see on the table over there.
38:47
There's some jars with some liquid in it.
38:49
Yeah, that's the end of it.
38:51
Yeah, we got we have a few more to make.
38:54
Almost three boxes like this.
38:57
Yeah, well, sounds yeah.
38:59
So here you can have this one.
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So this one has eucalyptus, peppermint, lavender, olive oil, shea butter and beeswax.
39:06
So that was so nice.
39:08
So we made this all the staff decided what they wanted their medicine to be.
39:17
We had all the plant medicine.
39:18
It's just like a baby's they put the plant medicine in with the oil and took care of
39:25
that for weeks like I think two months, eight weeks.
39:28
You'll see like in our offices, everyone has their babies that they're like putting good
39:32
intentions into and healing and yeah.
39:35
And then what is the baby's the medicine in the oil?
39:41
So I would give everybody everybody knows what this calendula this is what calendula
39:47
is.
39:48
So people could decide what kind of healing they want to give the providers that are going
39:52
to come to our appreciation.
39:53
And so this one they wanted to make something for anxiety.
39:58
And so that's what so they put that intention in their baby for two months.
40:03
And then yesterday we cooked it in a bomb and that's what they put into everything
40:10
they did was because they want to heal people's anxiety or at least offer some healing for
40:16
your anxiety.
40:17
So that one was one of my staff members and they called it chill bomb.
40:22
Oh, I love that.
40:23
So it means don't be anxious.
40:27
So yeah, we've got three boxes like this so far.
40:32
So everybody will be able to have a couple that night of your volunteers make that.
40:38
My staff.
40:39
Your staff.
40:40
Yes, yes.
40:41
Me and my staff.
40:42
Yeah.
40:43
Yeah.
40:44
Okay.
40:45
Yeah.
40:46
I taught them last year and this year they were they were whizzes at it.
40:49
I used to make stuff like that all the time.
40:52
I still do.
40:53
It's busy.
40:54
Yeah.
40:55
Yeah.
40:56
Yeah.
40:57
It makes it easy when it's part of work.
40:59
Yeah.
41:00
To be able to do it.
41:01
It's a real challenge.
41:02
Yeah.
41:03
Because if we were all trying to do it in our personal lives, it would be really hard.
41:06
We wouldn't be able to make something, you know, that big of an amount but we just take
41:12
a whole day and that's what we did all day yesterday.
41:14
Finding reasons to apply in your work to do stuff like that.
41:19
Yeah.
41:20
It's very bonding for our staff.
41:25
Yeah.
41:26
That's wonderful.
41:27
Well, y'all have mentioned that you have other locations.
41:32
Tell me about that.
41:33
Where else is there up here?
41:35
Well, I'll tell you all the services.
41:38
We've got Pierce Seattle.
41:40
The start after after Pierce Seattle.
41:45
Five years ago, they opened up Pierce Spokane and so they do exactly what we do pretty much.
41:52
They have a different charter than us, like Pierce Seattle is LGBTQIA+.
41:58
That's their charter.
41:59
Pierce Spokane has a different charter.
42:02
Then Peer Cant came along and Peer Cant is heavy justice.
42:07
They're in the courts.
42:09
They're in the libraries.
42:11
So they've got a huge program.
42:16
So if somebody here in Olympia needed extra legal support, they might go to them.
42:23
No, no.
42:24
It's just where you're at.
42:25
Because they actually put peers into the courts.
42:29
So you would have to be a part of the courts there.
42:33
So Peer Cant, if you just walk in, you're going to get the service we give.
42:39
But if you're a part of drug court, you'll get a peer from Peer Cant.
42:46
So they've got a whole program for the courts.
42:49
And they're in the municipal court.
42:51
They're in drug court.
42:52
They're in all kinds of courts.
42:54
Plus they also have all the library.
42:57
They probably, there's four or five libraries that have peers in it.
43:01
Peer Cant manages that.
43:04
They manage the court stuff.
43:05
They manage the library stuff.
43:07
So yeah, their focus is different.
43:10
But if you're just a walk in for services, they have the same services.
43:15
They have the same services.
43:18
Same as Spokane has these services.
43:21
And then Peer Seattle, same thing, same services.
43:24
They might have, I know they got an AIDS outreach, HIV AIDS outreach.
43:32
So they have some extra services, same as we have a couple extra services that aren't
43:37
on the court service.
43:39
Then Peer Washington came before Cant.
43:42
They need an admin.
43:44
And so Peer Washington is the complete admin that runs all our sites.
43:50
Then Peer Olympia came along, along with Peer Workforce Development.
43:55
And they're writing the CPC new curriculum.
44:00
They do the CPC trainings.
44:02
They do all kinds of, they train the cops.
44:06
They train all kinds of people.
44:08
That sounds a lot like DSHS WorkSource Solutions when you say it.
44:12
It's what makes me think of.
44:13
Is there any connection?
44:14
No, no, no, no.
44:17
They're more with healthcare authority and Department of Health.
44:22
They're really close with them because of all the rules around the new bill, 5555, and
44:28
writing that new curriculum for the certified peer counselors.
44:31
So that's going to change a lot after the first of the year.
44:35
But that's their big focus right now.
44:38
And then there were an ombuds program in all 10 regions.
44:43
The way that ombuds work is each region, an agency would have an ombud, but there wasn't
44:49
a lot of coordination between all 10 regions.
44:53
Well our CEO got the contract for that.
44:57
So now we, Peer Washington, Peer Washington owns all 10 regions.
45:04
And so it's called Office of Behavioral Health Advocacy.
45:08
It's not called ombuds anymore.
45:10
And we have that contract.
45:12
And so we're in all 10 regions.
45:16
And it's one person taking the phone calls and transferring it to the regions.
45:21
And so it's very connected and it didn't used to be.
45:24
So that's kind of cool.
45:25
And I have a question about that ombud.
45:27
So to clarify, I was a certified nursing assistant for the last nine years.
45:32
So I'm familiar with ombudsman because of that.
45:36
So when we talk about ombudsman, is that the same kind of ombudsman?
45:40
It's not called ombudsman no more.
45:42
No, it's not.
45:43
It's called OBHA.
45:44
OBHA.
45:45
What's that spanish for?
45:46
Office of Behavioral Health Advocacy.
45:47
Office of Behavioral Health Advocacy.
45:48
Yeah, and that's Peer Washington.
45:49
Oh, right.
45:50
Wow.
45:51
We own that.
45:52
And then we started RNP, Recovery Navigator Program.
45:57
And I'll tell you what I know of it.
46:03
I haven't gone to really check it out.
46:05
But it's when the cops are on the street and they need like they're coming to you and you're
46:14
either in crisis or you're drunk or maybe you're high.
46:19
But you don't really need to go to jail.
46:22
They can call the recovery navigator people and they can come and meet up and take care
46:29
of this person, maybe put them in a hotel for the night, get them to the hospital, what
46:34
have you.
46:35
So it's a rough job because you're on call all the time.
46:41
But it has grown so much.
46:43
I think there's about 20, 30 employees in two sites.
46:47
We have South and North.
46:49
So one's in Seattle and one's in Federal Way.
46:52
Does the street cop who encounters such an injury, does he actually call?
46:57
Yes.
46:58
Oh my gosh, they're so busy.
47:00
Yeah, they're so busy.
47:02
Yeah, it took a minute to like get traction.
47:05
But law enforcement is so overwhelmed with calls that are not law enforcement.
47:12
But there's nobody else to call for that kind of crisis intervention or it's kind of a diversion
47:18
program to keep people out of jails and the justice system.
47:22
So if someone's having a mental breakdown or just having a hard time, then that referral
47:28
can go out to RMP from law enforcement, but also from community members.
47:32
So it's open to anyone to be able to call and say, hey, there's this person who's not
47:37
doing very well and they can respond.
47:41
And in Thurston County, it's called LEAD.
47:43
There's a program a lot like that called LEAD.
47:46
It's law enforcement, something diversion.
47:50
I don't know what the A is.
47:51
It's not my program.
47:52
But in Thurston County, we have an LEAD lead.
47:57
The LEAD program is similar to the recovery navigator program.
48:00
I think it's same funding.
48:02
This makes me think about like a few years ago, we had the pandemic and all of this and
48:07
there was the whole defund the police thing.
48:09
It kind of makes me feel like it was that idea was generated at times.
48:14
People are wanting social services to get involved and stuff like that.
48:20
So is that any connection to that?
48:23
I don't know.
48:24
I don't think there's a connection directly to defund the police.
48:27
I would say it's more a connection to fund social services.
48:32
Just keeping law enforcement out of it.
48:35
And that's kind of, you know, here Washington doesn't necessarily have an opinion one way
48:40
or the other as far as that goes.
48:42
They stay neutral, but yeah, definitely to the idea of like we need more funding for
48:49
programs just like this so that people, I mean, law enforcement's overwhelmed.
48:55
Jails are overwhelmed, right?
48:56
Like it's just an overwhelming system where we're asking people who are not social service
49:02
providers or necessarily like mental health responders to respond to a situation that's
49:08
not appropriate for them to respond to, right?
49:11
And in fact, their presence can actually escalate that.
49:16
But it's definitely looking at like, okay, where can peer services fit into that as far
49:21
as social services and the support that we can offer to divert people from the justice
49:27
system?
49:28
Because that's just more barriers.
49:29
Absolutely.
49:30
Yeah.
49:31
And the last is Washington Peer Network.
49:34
And that's a, it's new.
49:36
It's probably been around for less than a year.
49:40
And it's a place where it's a network where all peers can go to one place and connect
49:46
and find out things.
49:47
So it's still pretty new.
49:48
If you have an iPhone, you can get it on your iPhone, the app.
49:53
If you're on an Android, you can go to the website, Washington Peer Network and become
49:58
a member.
49:59
It's free and you can get all kinds of information and connect with peers all over the state.
50:05
It's a statewide network.
50:06
Yeah, kind of like a social media in a way where you can like meet people and chat with
50:12
people on your page.
50:14
And then there's trainings and jobs that are posted.
50:20
And so it's just kind of this growing, like it's exactly that, a peer network.
50:23
Yeah.
50:24
I want to clarify the language.
50:25
Maybe you say peers, peers, candidates.
50:28
Are you talking about people who are working for different peer organizations or are you
50:33
talking about like just people?
50:34
Peers.
50:35
Peers, both.
50:36
Yeah.
50:37
So the Washington Peer Network, anybody who's a peer, either working in the field or want
50:45
to work in the field, you may have a CPC, you may not have a CPC, you may be a recovery
50:51
coach.
50:52
It's a place that you don't even have to be a CPC or anything.
50:57
If you want to be part of this network, if you want to go right now, you could go and
51:02
just see what's going on with the peer world.
51:04
Maybe you've had an interest of maybe what it means or what's going on or you want information
51:09
or what's happening next or how hard is it going to be for me to sign up for a CPC next
51:16
year when the rules change?
51:18
You can find out that kind of information there.
51:20
Okay.
51:21
Okay.
51:22
So you're using the word peer as more as I too am a provider of some sort, whereas the
51:29
distinction, the difference is and then someone who would be looking for service.
51:35
Yeah, a peer is anybody with lived experience.
51:38
Okay.
51:39
And that can be any kind of lived experience.
51:42
It could be that you run housed at one time and you have this great story of how you battled
51:51
that.
51:52
And that can be very beneficial to someone else.
51:55
That means you're a peer.
51:56
I will tell you, I am definitely a peer.
51:59
I definitely got some lived experiences.
52:02
We can all be peers just like ever.
52:07
Let's see.
52:09
And then tell me about volunteering here.
52:15
What is the experience for volunteers?
52:18
Yeah.
52:19
So it's really up to the volunteer.
52:21
So we have three types of volunteers.
52:24
So technically our coaching is considered volunteering.
52:28
They do get a stipend to help mitigate costs for them coming down here or whatever, gas
52:34
or whatever.
52:35
Our facilitators are volunteers, our group facilitators, and then our front desk volunteers.
52:41
And that's the biggest pool probably is our front desk volunteers.
52:44
So anyone who is interested in volunteering goes through a brief screening.
52:50
And then we don't do background checks or anything like that.
52:53
They start as soon as we can get them onboarded.
52:56
So usually that same week we're trying to get them onboarded so they don't lose interest
53:01
or have to wait a while.
53:03
Often I had one person call me last week and they were like, I really need something to
53:08
do for my recovery.
53:10
And he came in last night.
53:12
And so it's usually a pretty quick turnaround.
53:16
We do a brief one day onboarding.
53:19
It's not even, it's like a two hour onboarding.
53:22
And then they're at our front desk learning.
53:24
We always pair them with someone that is, you know, knows the systems really well because
53:30
there is a little bit of admin stuff.
53:32
And then we talk about, you know, peer principles, how we treat people when they come in here,
53:37
why it's important for us to treat everyone with dignity and to treat them as human.
53:43
And then whatever volunteers are here to learn.
53:45
So some people just want to give back to the community.
53:48
They've had well-paid jobs or whatever, and they just want to give back.
53:53
Some people are here to learn skills.
53:55
So maybe they're reentering or haven't learned certain skills about just what it is to work.
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And so, you know, we try to help build that self-efficacy of like, hey, like it's okay
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that you're late, you're volunteering.
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That's totally fine.
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But just know outside of here, like they're going to expect you to be on time and just
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kind of building those expectations.
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They are volunteers.
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So of course, we're not like, how dare you?
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You know, like they're volunteers so they can do what they want.
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And then we also offer intern opportunities.
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So we'll go through Equus or CCAP or we've had Valeo before they kind of changed their
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program.
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And that is more structured.
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And we look at kind of what they are looking to do.
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Most of the people that come to us are wanting to build some sort of experience with peer
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work.
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And so we have interns that have learned how to manage a grant where I sit with them and,
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you know, the things I can share with them, I'll go through and show them how to do the
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assessment or whatever that might be.
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Or if they want to learn how to build a program, we can do projects for them where they can
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come up with their own project.
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You know, it's really self-directed again on their part of what do you want to learn
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and what can I provide that is going to help you learn that.
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And that can go with the volunteers too.
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So it really is self-directed, you know, checking in with them.
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What is it you want to get out of this?
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And that's kind of how we cater towards that.
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Tell me about the screening process.
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Yeah, the screening process.
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So because we are LGBTQ, that's in our blood.
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We also in our charter, we focus on folks of color.
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We have a grant that is for people of color, one of our employment grants.
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And we also work with a lot of military families.
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Most of who we see that are vets are folks who have felt like the traditional resources
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for vets or active military are not what they want to access.
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So we'll see a lot of vets who are trans or, you know, gender neutral or whatever that
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might be.
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And then we also serve rural areas, like I said.
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So we get a variety of people and we really want to create a safe space.
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So we're very careful about, you know, we'll ask, are you comfortable honoring someone's
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pronouns?
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And if the answer is no, they're going to have, they're going to cause harm here because
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we have a lot of folks that come in that you say them or alternative pronouns.
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We'll ask some questions, you know, about tell us experiences you have working with
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a diverse community or, you know, so we kind of.
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Want to screen to ensure that the people we have at our front desk are representing peer
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principles and are representing our charter and more so not causing harm to the people
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that are coming through the door.
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That's not to say that there isn't a place for people who don't want to honor pronouns.
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It's just not here.
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So they have their own experiences that determine that for them or that, you know, they've for
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whatever reasons, but it would definitely cause harm here.
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So yeah.
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So that's pretty much all the screaming is, is like, how do you feel about what we do?
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Are you a good fit?
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That kind of thing.
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It isn't like you said you don't do background checks.
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Yeah.
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We do for staff, but that's it.
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And even then, like most of the time it's a case by case basis.
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Most of our staff have some sort of record or something, you know, something in their
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past that's on that can create an issue with a background check.
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So even then it's like, there's, it's always a case by case basis of, and most people are
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fine.
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Yeah.
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Personal discernment and judgment, you know, and being reasonable and that kind of thing.
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That makes it feel like there's like a lot less stress for people around that who are
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trying to make a change in their lives and they might feel self-conscious about such
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a thing.
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Like, oh, screening and alarm bells.
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Oh my God, I'm going to be screened, you know?
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And so that really like lowers a lot of barriers there.
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That's really good.
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Yeah.
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We try to be as low barrier as possible, but we do have to consider the harm that's done.
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You know, we're not, we are absolutely here to teach and to offer a safe space to learn.
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You know, I came from a very small town where I came out with some ideologies that I no
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longer identify with or no longer agree with.
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And so, you know, we want to offer a safe space for that learning.
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That's why we do pronoun training and things like that.
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But, you know, we also have to consider who's walking in our door in very vulnerable states
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and you know, to, to minimize that harm as much as possible.
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Right.
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Right.
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I interviewed y'all a while back for my class project.
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And so I remember that y'all have like mental health support for volunteers.
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For staff.
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Staff.
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Yes.
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Yep.
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So our staff, because it's one of the only jobs I can think of that asks us to relive
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our traumas on a daily basis and utilize those stories to help others and to consistently
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hear stories that are activating to our own experiences.
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Our here Washington offers health care.
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Our staff get health care for free as far as individuals.
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Families are different, but when you have dependents, but for individuals, it's free.
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And then we also offer, I think it's nine sessions or something like that.
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I can't remember exactly, but through a mental health behavior, like you can call the number
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and talk to a counselor or therapist.
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There's something that is upsetting you or, you know, if you're having a tough time with
1:00:27
the election results or you're having a tough time with, you know, something that happened,
1:00:34
maybe you're in a car accident or something like that, or maybe you're having mental health
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struggles, right?
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So you can call and utilize that service as well.
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Cause it, it's kind of a, it's a service that isn't there for a long time, but it's something
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you can do right away because a lot of times as we know, finding behavioral health services
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is, it can take a very long time to find a therapist or a counselor.
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So what, what are some job opportunities that might be available currently?
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We just filled like three positions.
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Three of our people went on to bigger, better things, which is a great problem to have.
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It's like our number one reason for losing volunteers and staff because we, you know,
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it's great for entry level peer work here.
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And then there's some opportunity moving into management.
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But we, our volunteer coordinator went to work for Hope and Healing Clinic, a MAC clinic.
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Their coaching lead left to work for the Family Support Center doing amazing things.
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And so yeah, we just filled all of those positions to, like Stephanie said, where we knew they'd
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volunteered here or had coached here.
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That's generally how that looks when we do fill positions.
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And then one, every once in a while, we just find someone really special that we don't
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know, but would like to give an amazing opportunity to.
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So yeah.
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Do y'all take any donations or like, what do you tell me about donations?
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It's on the website.
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We do have donation envelopes here, but mostly like we have somebody who sends a monthly
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donation here every month and then I put it in the bank.
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Like Pure Washington, the website has donation links to any of our programs.
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That's financial.
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Do y'all accept anything else, stuff?
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It depends on what it is.
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Like coffee, things like that, that we use every day.
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Yes.
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We don't distribute from here.
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The reason we don't do that is when we first started, we had like some sleeping bags and
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some tents for our housing service.
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But the problem was we would run out and people would still come in asking and it was just
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kind of re-traumatizing them that, we can't meet your need over and over again.
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And so we stopped distributing from here because we would rather send them somewhere that can
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do it whenever they access that service, like Salvation Army or something like that.
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Who does that?
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Right?
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So we've kind of taken a look at our services and what we can provide for everybody at any
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time and that's what we stick with, our services.
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So yeah, distribution, we would much rather have their needs met when they need that need
1:03:47
met instead of coming in and having to be told no again.
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We got gigantic boxes of socks.
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Yeah.
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And we give them to agencies that distribute socks.
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Yeah.
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And instead of distributing them ourselves, because yeah, we don't distribute here.
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Okay.
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Okay, cool.
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Is there anything else that you all would like the community to know that we did not
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discuss?
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I think it's really important, like I said earlier, come into our space.
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I mean, come see what we do and get involved, you know, whether that's as a volunteer, as
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a coach, whether that's as a recovery needing services.
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It really does make a whole lot more sense when you come in and can see our space and
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we're always happy to give tours and invite people into our space and, you know, access
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our support groups and, you know, just that we're here for whatever, wherever that person
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is at, like we are here to meet you where you're at.
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So I think, yeah, we're not, it's not reportable.
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You know, a lot of people think that we're like a treatment center that have, you know,
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treatment groups and we're not.
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It's completely autonomous.
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Anybody, it's what they want.
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We have no opinion on what you should be doing with your life.
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Yep.
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Yeah.
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Just say that again, because that's just so good to hear.
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Yeah, we have no opinion on what you should do with your life.
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Thank you.
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You're welcome.
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That's a ton of people taking control of their own lives and making their own choices and
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we support that.
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Yep.
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It's none of my business what they want to do.
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I'm only here to support what their choice is.
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Yep.
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Yep.
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And you could tell us your goal is to be an astronaut or time warp to 1928 and we would
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be like, cool, where do you want to start?
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What support do you need around that?
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It's whatever that person needs and we're really just here to offer a judgment free
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place to be able to exist.
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Yeah.
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And try to train people that, you know, we've had people in our trainings be like, well,
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they can't be in it.
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Who cares?
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How do you know they can't?
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Yeah.
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You know, just let's do step one.
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Let's do step one.
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And maybe in a year they'll be like, you know what?
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I don't want to be an astronaut anymore.
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I want to be this.
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And it's like, okay, where do we start from there?
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And that's really what Pure Olympia is about.
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