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Ken Rosenthal's Inside Scoop: Kimbrel's back in ATL, Roki Sasaki arrives, Marlins in trouble? · Foul Territory

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  Speaker 1: They see him as a project. They see him as
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  Speaker 1: a guy that is not going to be a finished
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  Speaker 1: product right away, someone who is going to develop as
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  Speaker 1: the season goes on.
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  Speaker 2: It's the inside scoop with Ken Rosenthal. Let's get right
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  Speaker 2: to biz. We did have a little bit of biss
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  Speaker 2: last night, Ken, And I know Atlanta Braves fans are
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  Speaker 2: actually really excited when they saw your report about Craig
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  Speaker 2: Kimberl returning to the Braves. And I know there's a
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  Speaker 2: little bit of a road ahead for him to actually
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  Speaker 2: make the squad, But what did you think of the move?
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  Speaker 2: And you know, are we at this point where someone
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  Speaker 2: like him who had a bad finish to the season
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  Speaker 2: needs to sign technically a minor league deal late in
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  Speaker 2: his career.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, we're seeing that with a number of players right now.
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  Speaker 1: It's not going to be all. We still might see
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  Speaker 1: some major league deals. But Kimbrel is a really interesting
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  Speaker 1: one because this, of course is full circle for him
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  Speaker 1: started his career with the Atlanta Braves, willing to go there,
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  Speaker 1: go back there, go to the minors for a little
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  Speaker 1: bit and see where it goes. And the Braves also
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  Speaker 1: signed James McCann to a non roster invite this week.
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  Speaker 3: He's in the same situation.
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  Speaker 1: We'll go to TRIPAA and I don't know where Kimberl
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  Speaker 1: is going to be in a month, but it's going
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  Speaker 1: to be an interesting thing to track him and see
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  Speaker 1: if he can ultimately help that bullpen, which for the
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  Speaker 1: Braves is going to be maybe a work in progress
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  Speaker 1: to some degree. They've got Aglacius of course at the back.
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  Speaker 1: I'm kind of intrigued by where they are right now, Scott,
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  Speaker 1: especially with Strider pitching so well in his debut for
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  Speaker 1: the spring the other day, and Smince Chalver also looking
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  Speaker 1: really good.
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  Speaker 4: Hey, Ken, I want to stay right there. And when
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  Speaker 4: you talk about Spencer Strider and how dominant he looked
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  Speaker 4: at his debut, how difficult have you heard for it
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  Speaker 4: that it might be for the Braves to not rush
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  Speaker 4: that process when he came out, it looks so dominant,
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  Speaker 4: so good. Where are they with, you know, kind of
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  Speaker 4: slowly bringing him along even though he looks like he's ready.
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  Speaker 1: Now, Cam, You're right, that was a revelation. They didn't
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  Speaker 1: expect that, So clearly they're going to follow a process
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  Speaker 1: and they're going to try to do this on a
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  Speaker 1: proper course, but at the same time, if the signals
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  Speaker 1: he's giving are I'm ready to go, they can maybe
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  Speaker 1: accelerate that a little bit. I don't know exactly how
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  Speaker 1: they're going to approach it. It's difficult, and you guys
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  Speaker 1: know this as players. When a player feels he's ready
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  Speaker 1: to go, he doesn't want to be held back. And
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  Speaker 1: at the same time, there is a procedure you follow
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  Speaker 1: in recoveries from surgeries, and he's kind of on track
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  Speaker 1: with that. So they're not going to be doing anything stupid,
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  Speaker 1: and they've got a coun You're kind of in a
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  Speaker 1: similar situation. Of course. I don't know when we can
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  Speaker 1: expect to see him full go, but Spencer Strider by
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  Speaker 1: early May I would expect. No latest is going to
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  Speaker 1: be a factor for the Braves.
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  Speaker 5: Let's stay in the East and talk about the marlins
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  Speaker 5: lack of spending. Could there actually we hear the word
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  Speaker 5: grievance that you wrote in your article. Could there actually
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  Speaker 5: be some kickback from this, or even better, could there
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  Speaker 5: actually be like change throughout the league based on what
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  Speaker 5: the Marlins are doing?
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  Speaker 1: Eric? What I wrote about was something Evandralic and I
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  Speaker 1: wrote about a couple of months ago with regard to
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  Speaker 1: the A's and that is when you're getting revenue sharing,
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  Speaker 1: your luxury tax payroll has to end up end up
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  Speaker 1: at the end of the season one and a half
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  Speaker 1: times your amount of revenue sharing received. So this isn't
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  Speaker 1: necessarily an urgent situation for the Marlins right now. But
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  Speaker 1: they're an estimated twenty million below where they should be.
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  Speaker 1: I don't see them adding twenty million during the season.
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  Speaker 1: In fact, they're gonna trade most likely Sandi al Contra,
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  Speaker 1: and at that point they'll be even further away from
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  Speaker 1: this threshold that is imaginary right now, but.
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  Speaker 3: It is real by the end of the season.
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  Speaker 1: So yes, could it lead to a grievance, Absolutely it could,
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  Speaker 1: And where the grievance ends up good question. We never
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  Speaker 1: seem to hear about the outcomes of these things. Could
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  Speaker 1: it lead to change, that's perhaps the bigger question right
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  Speaker 1: And you've heard a lot of talk about a salary floor,
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  Speaker 1: and the owners say, well, we're not going to do
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  Speaker 1: a salary floor without a salary cap, understandable. My contention
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  Speaker 1: on that is that they already have a soft cap
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  Speaker 1: with the luxury tax system in place. Why not put
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  Speaker 1: a similar system with penalties and floating numbers at the
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  Speaker 1: bottom of the pay scale if you're not going to
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  Speaker 1: do a salary cap, and I don't believe the sport
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  Speaker 1: is going to do that, at least not without a
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  Speaker 1: major fight. So this never seems to get discussed. Maybe
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  Speaker 1: I should write about it, But why not put the
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  Speaker 1: same series of mechanisms in place at the bottom that
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  Speaker 1: you have at the top. You go below a certain level,
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  Speaker 1: you get penalized. You go beyond a certain level or
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  Speaker 1: below a level beyond that, you get penalized even more.
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  Speaker 1: To me, that seems like a logical way to go.
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  Speaker 1: If the current system remains intact.
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  Speaker 5: Teams not trying and get fined, and teams that are trying,
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  Speaker 5: they get fined. Okay, I like that. I like if
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  Speaker 5: you mean.
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  Speaker 1: Eric, it's either that or a cap going to got
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  Speaker 1: in place.
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  Speaker 5: You know, we got to increase the competitive part of it.
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  Speaker 5: That that's all that players are looking for, and I
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  Speaker 5: think that's all fans are looking for. Competition, be competitive.
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  Speaker 5: It's a monopolistic league nobody else, and so when you
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  Speaker 5: have that, you have to keep the integrity of the
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  Speaker 5: competition totally. Play when you play in his game, as
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  Speaker 5: long as Max Scherzer has you're going to run into
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  Speaker 5: people that cross paths in your life. Can you tell
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  Speaker 5: us where Jake Berger and Max Scherzer's Paz cross.
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  Speaker 3: Well, they didn't.
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  Speaker 1: Really cross, but Jake's Burger's sorry. Jake Berger's mom's path
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  Speaker 1: crossed with Max Scherzer. She was his sixth grade social
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  Speaker 1: studies teachers. She also had him for a rotation of
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  Speaker 1: English as well. And Max actually told me about this
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  Speaker 1: this spring and I was immediately intrigued and I was like, Wow,
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  Speaker 1: let's talk about this. And he's like, I don't really
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  Speaker 1: want to talk about this, just.
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  Speaker 3: Say it's but I feel like I'm old.
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  Speaker 1: And that was all he said.
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  Speaker 3: For Max.
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  Speaker 1: That's pretty limited in a common So I did pursue it,
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  Speaker 1: and I talked to Jake Berger, I talked to Jake
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  Speaker 1: Berger's mom. I talked to Dane Dunning, who kind of
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  Speaker 1: was Max's teammate and Jake's former teammate.
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  Speaker 3: With the White Sox.
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  Speaker 1: And it was a fun story to do. Shannenberger, Jake's
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  Speaker 1: mom was kind of excited just reminiscing about Max as
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  Speaker 1: a twelve year old. He was a good kid, She said,
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  Speaker 1: he was really smart, really athletic. Obviously, he attracted attention
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  Speaker 1: even back then with his two different color eyes. So
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  Speaker 1: just a fun little story to do today, and I
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  Speaker 1: hope people read it and enjoy it.
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  Speaker 4: Can I know you don't sleep much, and I'm sure
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  Speaker 4: your phone has been going crazy watching this Tokyo series.
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  Speaker 4: Any word on Roki Sazaki today? I mean, I know
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  Speaker 4: he had a little inning where he struggled a little bit.
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  Speaker 4: I thought he might have just nibbled a little bit much,
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  Speaker 4: but the stuff was there. The stuff was electric. What
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  Speaker 4: are you hearing about how excited they are about his
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  Speaker 4: debut in Tokyo.
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  Speaker 1: Excited And I can't speak to the reactions necessarily to
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  Speaker 1: what happened today, but in general, they see him as
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  Speaker 1: a project. They see him as a guy that is
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  Speaker 1: not going to be a finished product right away, someone
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  Speaker 1: who is going to develop as the season goes on
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  Speaker 1: and as his career goes on. Clearly, as you mentioned,
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  Speaker 1: the rough stuff is there. The split is pretty incredible.
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  Speaker 1: So it's a matter of acclimating him to the major
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  Speaker 1: league game, to the American culture, the North American culture,
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  Speaker 1: and of course getting to the point where he can
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  Speaker 1: be the kind of picture that everyone projects him to be.
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  Speaker 1: He showed flashes of that today, There's no question about it,
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  Speaker 1: and he's going to be good from every indication, but
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  Speaker 1: he's not again a finished product, and it's going to
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  Speaker 1: take some work to get him to the point where
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  Speaker 1: they want him to be. Remember, he's only twenty three,
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  Speaker 1: he hasn't pitched all that much and there's a full
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  Speaker 1: career ahead of him.
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  Speaker 4: When you talk about that project, can't today I was
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  Speaker 4: extremely encouraged. Did you get a chance to see a
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  Speaker 4: slider today? His slider was an elite pitch as well
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  Speaker 4: as the splitty. I know, we talked about the fastball
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  Speaker 4: splitty and a lot of people wonder did he have
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  Speaker 4: enough repertoire to do it at the big, bigue level.
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  Speaker 4: But today there was a slider that was I mean,
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  Speaker 4: lights out. Have you heard anything on that projection or progress.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, he's been working on that and Cam you guys
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  Speaker 1: know this, He's going to need a third pitch and
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  Speaker 1: the slider. If it can be that for him, my goodness,
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  Speaker 1: then it becomes a little bit different of a pitcher
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  Speaker 1: than he was in Japan, and it makes a huge difference,
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  Speaker 1: especially in the Major League. So yes, that was something
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  Speaker 1: very notable out of his start today and I expect
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  Speaker 1: that that's going to be something he works on developing
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  Speaker 1: as the season goes on and his career goes on.
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  Speaker 2: Ken let's finish with this on the topic of Rokie Sasaki.
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  Speaker 2: We went over your article from a couple of days
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  Speaker 2: ago about the recruiting process. It got some pretty play
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  Speaker 2: in a number of spots, including obviously some fans, being like,
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  Speaker 2: we already know about this. I encouraged him to read
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  Speaker 2: the article. There's a lot more detail.
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  Speaker 3: That we didn't know about.
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  Speaker 2: I didn't even know about Densu, and I'm a business guy.
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  Speaker 2: I love learning about business and marketing, so I thought
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  Speaker 2: that was fascinating. Can you give us a little insight
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  Speaker 2: on basically all of the work that you put together
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  Speaker 2: to give us more on this process and how the
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  Speaker 2: tone was from executives that you spoke to who lost
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  Speaker 2: out on Roki.
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  Speaker 1: There were a number of executives who were very upset,
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  Speaker 1: and they were upset because in their mind, the process
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  Speaker 1: was predetermined that Densu, this incredibly large marketing company, an
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  Speaker 1: advertising agency in Japan, most powerful corporation arguably in Japan,
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  Speaker 1: played a role here. They are not his contract negotiator.
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  Speaker 1: That was Joel Wolf of Wasserman who did that, but
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  Speaker 1: they were involved working with Wolf and a guy named
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  Speaker 1: Tomoki Sakai was his direct marketing representative. So it ended
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  Speaker 1: up the process did the way so many of us
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  Speaker 1: expected it to end up with the Dodgers getting him.
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  Speaker 1: But what the teams were saying is that they were
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  Speaker 1: led to believe it was going to be an open
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  Speaker 1: thing and they'd each get their shot, and the teams
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  Speaker 1: generally felt that it was predetermined that it didn't turn
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  Speaker 1: out to be the open process they thought it would be,
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  Speaker 1: and that is where their frustration came in. Now, another
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  Speaker 1: part of this is that Densu, if they're going to
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  Speaker 1: take more of an active role with Japanese players going forward,
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  Speaker 1: and teams feel this way, they also represent Yamamoto. So
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  Speaker 1: if that's the case, teams are going to have to
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  Speaker 1: learn to deal with this and figure out just how
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  Speaker 1: to go about it. It's an interesting dynamic that was
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  Speaker 1: taking place here because the American agent Joel Wolf wasn't
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  Speaker 1: seemingly the mover and shaker here. It was Densu represented
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  Speaker 1: by Sakai, and that is what made it so interesting.
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  Speaker 1: And for fans who say they knew all of this already,
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  Speaker 1: well God bless them, because I didn't know any of
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  Speaker 1: it until I started working on it.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I thought it was fascinating. I'm with you.
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  Speaker 2: So my follow up here twofold one is I felt
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  Speaker 2: like the words from Joel Wolf about what he was
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  Speaker 2: looking for made more sense now because he was not
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  Speaker 2: necessarily the one that was making decisions or as involved
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  Speaker 2: as he was for Yamamoto, who as actually seeking player
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  Speaker 2: contract money versus Sasaki kind of surveying the field. To me,
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  Speaker 2: your article made it make sense for me that the
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  Speaker 2: Blue Jays were involved because Densu could have had this
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  Speaker 2: double header matchup every night for their media rights with
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  Speaker 2: the Blue Jays playing and then even when Suzaki wasn't pitching,
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  Speaker 2: and then the Dodgers a night for Japanese fans to follow. So,
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  Speaker 2: I guess my question to you is do you feel
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  Speaker 2: like there was any cry baby ness to executives being
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  Speaker 2: upset because technically the rules were followed, any team could
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  Speaker 2: have also been in play for some of these other
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  Speaker 2: Japanese players that would have helped the recruiting process. And
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  Speaker 2: this is the system that you know for the executives
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  Speaker 2: your owners have created. Rookie Sasaki comes over here and
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  Speaker 2: essentially gets to pick the team that you know he
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  Speaker 2: wants to be a part of without the money being
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  Speaker 2: much of a difference. He's going to join a team
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  Speaker 2: that's already got a lot of, you know, the pieces
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  Speaker 2: in place for him to thrive both on the field
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  Speaker 2: and with marketing deals.
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  Speaker 1: Scott, it's a great point. And there's a line in
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  Speaker 1: the article. I can't remember exactly what I wrote, but
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  Speaker 1: I basically asked, is this simply a case where they
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  Speaker 1: have a legitimate complaint or is this simply a case
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  Speaker 1: of Dodger envy and sour grapes for the most part,
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  Speaker 1: And yeah, there is an element to that. And listen,
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  Speaker 1: the losers in a free agent process are always, well,
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  Speaker 1: not always, but almost always going to be upset if
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  Speaker 1: it doesn't go their way. So yes, there's no question
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  Speaker 1: that that was part of it. And I quoted an
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  Speaker 1: executive from a losing bidder in the article as saying,
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  Speaker 1: what is his most logical choice? Sasaki, it's the Dodgers.
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  Speaker 1: We all know that, So sure, there's definitely that. Now,
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  Speaker 1: Toronto being involved did wrankle a lot of people involved
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  Speaker 1: in the process because they felt Toronto was not a
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  Speaker 1: team with a history of success. This is something Joel
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  Speaker 1: Wolf said that they wanted a team with the history
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  Speaker 1: of success and a team known within the game for
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  Speaker 1: pitching development. The Jays do a decent job at the
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  Speaker 1: major league level pitching development, which is where Sassaki would
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  Speaker 1: have been. But they're not the Dodgers, and they're not
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  Speaker 1: some other teams as well. And I know the Dodgers
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  Speaker 1: guys get hurt, but generally their reputation in the game
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  Speaker 1: is very good for pitching development. So Scott sure, there
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  Speaker 1: is definitely an element of sour grapes here, and that's
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  Speaker 1: what made the article a little bit tricky to do,
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  Speaker 1: because for all the conspiracy theories that might be out
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  Speaker 1: there and all the things that might be wrong, it
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  Speaker 1: was Sasaki's choice and he did get the right to
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  Speaker 1: do whatever he wants, and in the end, he chose
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  Speaker 1: a team that a lot of people figured he would
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  Speaker 1: choose in the first place.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, and I give credit to the Blue Jays, by
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  Speaker 3: the way.
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  Speaker 2: I know they've taken a lot of flack over the
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  Speaker 2: years for going after certain players, but at least they
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  Speaker 2: are going out after them, even if they should be
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  Speaker 2: offering higher bids to certain players to actually win the
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  Speaker 2: player over. In this case, I'm thinking, what did you
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  Speaker 2: want them to do, just give in. I mean, should
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  Speaker 2: every executive just say, let's not even try. You just
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  Speaker 2: don't know. I mean I felt the same way most
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  Speaker 2: of us felt. He was going to be a Dodger.
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  Speaker 3: But you gotta try, right.
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  Speaker 1: The beef the executives had was that they were a finalist.
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  Speaker 1: No one expected them to be a finalist, and that's
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  Speaker 1: of course how they ended up in the process, right
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  Speaker 1: at the end, with the Padres and the Dodgers. Now,
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  Speaker 1: the one other thing here, if you remember, Joel Wolf
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  Speaker 1: at the winter meeting said and kind of raised curiosity
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  Speaker 1: throughout the game when he said, Hey, Sosaki might prefer
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  Speaker 1: a lower media market, a smaller media market. It might
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  Speaker 1: just be more to his personality. If that was the case,
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  Speaker 1: then the Padres made a whole lot of sense, even
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  Speaker 1: with their ownership turmoil. And of course he didn't choose
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  Speaker 1: the Padres.
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  Speaker 3: He chose the Dodgers.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and hey, Joel's been a great agent for a
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  Speaker 2: long time. He reps many players. He did the Amamotive deal.
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  Speaker 2: But that line and the story about him not being
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  Speaker 2: able to talk much in meetings really said a lot
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  Speaker 2: and told me to not mind all his comments maybe
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  Speaker 2: just because he didn't know what was going on, you know,
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  Speaker 2: and that's okay.
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  Speaker 1: The argument was by those executives that Joel Wolf did
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  Speaker 1: not control the process, and they thought perhaps that he would.
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  Speaker 3: Mm hmm, Well it's an awesome article.
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  Speaker 4: They helped to control the process, right, that's what they wanted.
• 16:24
  Speaker 2: So there's no rules on who's allowed to help in
• 16:27
  Speaker 2: the process, in the decision making process. It's not like, oh,
• 16:29
  Speaker 2: it has to be his player rep. I mean, this
• 16:31
  Speaker 2: is absolutely another country. So I thought it was cool.
• 16:35
  Speaker 2: I loved learning more about the process. Ken, thank you
• 16:37
  Speaker 2: appreciate it, and we'll talk to you later this week.
• 16:40
  Speaker 2: Thanks guys, and fair Territory of course from Monday is
• 16:44
  Speaker 2: great and obviously encourage you to check it out. Almost
• 16:47
  Speaker 2: everything in there obviously is still covering topics that are
• 16:50
  Speaker 2: super relevant. And then Thursday you'll get Alana and Ken
• 16:53
  Speaker 2: and they can give you more on the Tokyo series
• 16:56
  Speaker 2: and all of the fanfare that came out of that series.
• 16:59
  Speaker 2: I was really really fun to follow, especially if you
• 17:02
  Speaker 2: had your early morning coffee and check that out.