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Gorgeous PHD student stalks new boyfriend, shoots him dead over breakup · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Talk about a bad date. That is certainly perfume on
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Speaker 1: the pig. This is a euphemism. Think about it. A
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Speaker 1: Chicago PhD student allegedly stalks her boyfriend after a try
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Speaker 1: to check a three month relationship ends a three month relationship?
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Speaker 1: What's that? That's ninety days? Stalks him with horrible, horrible consequences.
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Speaker 1: How did this whole thing get started? Listen? Nijinsky Dicks
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Speaker 1: is a thirty seven year old PhD student at the
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Speaker 1: University of Illinois, Chicago. She's been pursuing a doctorate in criminology,
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Speaker 1: law and Justice in Chicago while also working as an
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Speaker 1: employee at the University of Notre Dame in South Bend, Indiana,
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Speaker 1: where she's the director of a talent search program called Trio.
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Speaker 1: In the midst of all this, she's also been dating
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Speaker 1: a man named Terry Hickman. They didn't date for long.
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Speaker 1: According to Terry's family, they dated for about three months,
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Speaker 1: but the forty four year old Hickman broke up with
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Speaker 1: her in May. Do you ever just have a sixth
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Speaker 1: sense about somebody in your day and you can't really
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Speaker 1: put your finger on it, but you know you've got
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Speaker 1: a break up? I mean think about it. A woman
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Speaker 1: up in her thirties, a PhD Student at University of Illinois,
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Speaker 1: a dodger in criminology, law and justice. Oh, it just
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Speaker 1: keeps getting worse. Let me introduce to you our all
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Speaker 1: star panel. Jim Elliott, star attorney with Butler Snow, legal
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Speaker 1: counsel for multiple municipalities and government entities. He knows his
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Speaker 1: Bethany Marshall, psychoanalyst to the Stars, joining us from Beverly Hills.
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Speaker 1: You can find her on and at Doctor Bethany Marshall,
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Speaker 1: Professor of Forensics, Jacksonville State University, author of Blood Beneath
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Speaker 1: Scott Morgan, but first to leave my page Crime online
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Speaker 1: dot Com investigative reporter, and earlier we're hearing from Dave
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Speaker 1: Matt at Crime Online LEVI this woman, I mean to
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Speaker 1: look at her. I'm looking at her right now. She
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Speaker 1: looks like she should be the Jackie. Doesn't she look
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Speaker 1: like she should be a model and like a clothing magazine.
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Speaker 1: Look at her and that little outfit she's got going on. Right,
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Speaker 1: They're perfectly matched. I might add, the hair is perfect,
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Speaker 1: the face is perfect. Those teeth have definitely had orthodocia.
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Speaker 1: All right, she is a total package, a PhD student,
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Speaker 1: beauty and brains. But something is not wired right. First
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Speaker 1: of all, tell me about the relationship. So, Nancy, you're
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Speaker 1: absolutely correcting. A GENC. Dix actually looks very studious. You
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Speaker 1: know how you can look at someone and tell the
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Speaker 1: don't looks like that? No, I know, she looks, you know, well,
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Speaker 1: put together a very studio. She looks like somebody at
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Speaker 1: school that was so you would say, then, um, a
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Speaker 1: bleach de blonde and a pair of army fatigues would
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Speaker 1: not look studious. Maybe not. Let's just start over. Tell
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Speaker 1: me about the relationship, Leavi page, Go ahead. So they
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Speaker 1: had been dating, and apparently the relationship turned bad three
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Speaker 1: months into the relationship, and right there, Doctor Bethany Marshall,
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Speaker 1: Leavi page. Obviously it's not a relationship, expert Leavi page,
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Speaker 1: No offense, Dear, I'm sure you'll find them, what right
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Speaker 1: partner one of these days, um, doctor Bethany. Three months
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Speaker 1: that is like a drop in the bucket. I I'm
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Speaker 1: embarrassed to say how long I David David before we
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Speaker 1: got married. We don't tell the children were so embarrassed.
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Speaker 1: Three months? Who could get crazy after ninety days? Okay?
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Speaker 1: According to Helen Fisher, who's a cultural anthropologist, the first
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Speaker 1: six months of a relationship, if you do brain scans
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Speaker 1: of the people are in the relationship, what you see
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Speaker 1: is increased activity in the dopamine um increased dopamine in
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Speaker 1: the brain, so it almost mimics being on cocaine. Is
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Speaker 1: what exactly smitter. It makes you feel warm and gooey
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Speaker 1: and like the world is lovely and that person is
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Speaker 1: so great. I really do. I get that when I
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Speaker 1: pick the twin set from school. That's the feeling like
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Speaker 1: like you're just in love with your children, the other
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Speaker 1: person the world. You don't really know the reality of
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Speaker 1: who that a person as yet that you're dating. This
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Speaker 1: is what this is what is a part of our
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Speaker 1: evolutionary pop process wired us to hold us into relationships
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Speaker 1: that there are so many feel good feelings in the
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Speaker 1: first six months. So when it starts to go south
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Speaker 1: within three months, that means that something is really wrong. Well,
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Speaker 1: I've got one person or to wear off after six months, well,
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Speaker 1: it's replaced by something better, which is meaning, meaningfulness and
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Speaker 1: knowing the reality of who the other person is. The
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Speaker 1: first six months, you have no idea who the other
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Speaker 1: person is that you're dating. You're just walking on a cloud.
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Speaker 1: You think they're the center of the universe. You're having
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Speaker 1: idealized thoughts of this great life together. But in about
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Speaker 1: six months, you know, you begin to like, maybe your
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Speaker 1: guy goes to a football game with other guys and
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Speaker 1: ptits to call you, and then you learn maybe it's
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Speaker 1: a little absent minded, or maybe he has a mother
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Speaker 1: with relationships all the time, doctor Bethany, And you know
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Speaker 1: that's my second calling is analyzing people's relationships. Do people
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Speaker 1: Do women actually get mad when a person doesn't call
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Speaker 1: while they're just, let's say, at a game. Do they
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Speaker 1: actually get upset when hours passed and they don't hear
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Speaker 1: from their husband, boyfriend, whatever. Yes, because women often confuse
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Speaker 1: separateness and autonomy with rejection and abandonment, which is what
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Speaker 1: I believe might have happened with Dix, that the experience
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Speaker 1: of separateness from the person she was dating got confused
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Speaker 1: with rejection, and then the rejection turned into rage. What
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Speaker 1: about the old phraseology snakes in her head? Guys, take
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Speaker 1: a listen to Dave Matt crime online. Shortly before five
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Speaker 1: thirty pm, police respond to reports of gunfire at an
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Speaker 1: apartment complex in Washington, DC. Police and the apartment, where
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Speaker 1: they find a male individual who had been shot several times.
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Speaker 1: They find Nijinsky Dix kneeling beside the bullet riddle body
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Speaker 1: of Terry Hickman. He's pronounced dead at the scene. Police
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Speaker 1: say Dix is holding a gun in her left hand,
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Speaker 1: which they ordered her to put down, but she was
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Speaker 1: also on speakerphone with someone who identified themselves to authorities
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Speaker 1: as her mother. Her mother told officers that Dix told
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Speaker 1: her he pushed me and I shot him. Dix was
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Speaker 1: then taken to the hospital, where she complained of memory
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Speaker 1: loss in back pain, but showed no signs of being assaulted.
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Speaker 1: Now the truth emerges. Who this woman really is? Najinsky
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Speaker 1: Dix in her thirties, PhD student in Criminology, Law and
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Speaker 1: Justice while working at University of Notre Dame. I mean
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Speaker 1: you think you know somebody well? Now, we're sure you
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Speaker 1: cannot judge a book by its cover. Crime Stories with
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Speaker 1: Nancy Grace we are talking about a shocking case that
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Speaker 1: has emerged of a woman who was spurned the old saying,
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Speaker 1: hell hath no fury like a woman scorned. Well, her boyfriend,
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Speaker 1: Terry Hickman, broke up with her and she just couldn't
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Speaker 1: take it. I want to understand, lee Vi Page, how
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Speaker 1: advanced their relationship was. They had only been dating for
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Speaker 1: three months. But had they talked of marriage, had they
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Speaker 1: planned a life together? What do we know now? Listen?
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Speaker 1: I know this isn't your usual crime reporting, le Vi Page,
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Speaker 1: but I need to know this. If I were presenting
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Speaker 1: this to a jury, I would have to know every
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Speaker 1: detail of their relationship. What can you tell me? So
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Speaker 1: the victim, Terry Hickman called off the relationship after they've
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Speaker 1: been dating for three months. Apparently he had found another
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Speaker 1: woman that he was interested in, and that's why he
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Speaker 1: calls the relationship off. That's why they broke up. Well,
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Speaker 1: you know what, Jim Elliott, you're the civil attorney. Jim
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Speaker 1: Elliott is a renowned attorney. Guys who has been representing
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Speaker 1: multiple municipalities that means cities, county governments. And can you
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Speaker 1: imagine that's like a bunch of wet cats. And a barrel.
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Speaker 1: He represents them and many other cases with Butler Snow
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Speaker 1: at Butler Snow dot com. Jim Elliott, you have handled
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Speaker 1: so many civil cases. Very often you hear of the
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Speaker 1: man two timing, all right, none of the women know
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Speaker 1: about the other. None of the women know about each other.
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Speaker 1: Here's the guy that starts seeing somebody new, and he
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Speaker 1: did the honorable thing and breaks it off when the
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Speaker 1: Zinsky dicks and he gets gunned down dead for it.
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Speaker 1: I mean, how often, Jim Elliott and divorce proceedings are
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Speaker 1: people cheating and the man typically the man, but yes,
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Speaker 1: maybe the woman sometimes is juggling multiple girlfriends, I a mistresses. Well,
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Speaker 1: I mean that's, you know, not uncommon at all. But
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Speaker 1: I mean that's after a marriage. That's after a relationship
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Speaker 1: has been established and recognized legally. Not and the whole
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Speaker 1: purpose of a dating relationship is to determine if this
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Speaker 1: is or isn't the right person. You know, Um, did
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Speaker 1: you ever just date for fun, Gim Elliott? Just go
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Speaker 1: out bowling or go to dinner or see a movie
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Speaker 1: just but was every date like an interview for marriage
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Speaker 1: for you? Absolutely not. I had a lot of fun
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Speaker 1: in college in law school, and I bet you did.
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Speaker 1: I bet you did. So. I mean, I don't think
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Speaker 1: every dating relationship is an audition for marriage. And that's
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Speaker 1: actually that's an interra thing. I want to go ahead.
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Speaker 1: I just want to make you know. I mean they
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Speaker 1: didn't even live in the same city. I mean she
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Speaker 1: was in Chicago or South Bend and he was in Washington.
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Speaker 1: No wait a minute, long distance for years and years
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Speaker 1: and years, and we managed to slog through. But you're
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Speaker 1: right everything you're saying. See there you go, doctor Bethany Marshall.
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Speaker 1: You're listening to Jim Elliott with Butler snow and getting
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Speaker 1: a man's perspective. And while I don't agree with it emotionally,
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Speaker 1: what he's saying makes a lot of sense. One, they
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Speaker 1: didn't even live in the same city. What did they
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Speaker 1: did she actually think they were about to walk down
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Speaker 1: the aisle. The fact they've only been together three months
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Speaker 1: plus didn't live in the same city, as Jim points out,
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Speaker 1: in my mind, makes it even less serious a relationship
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Speaker 1: because they hardly ever saw each other. There's no like
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Speaker 1: getting together spontaneously after work for dinner. None of that
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Speaker 1: ever happened. So how does jump in Bethany. Well, first
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Speaker 1: of all, in the mind of the stalker, one phone
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Speaker 1: call can be blown up into an entire relationship. Let
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Speaker 1: me tell you something. Okay, Well, I'm gonna calls you.
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Speaker 1: Go ahead, okay, okay. According to my guru, Read malloy,
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Speaker 1: who's the forensic psychiatrist, that the stalker beth imagines Bethanie,
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Speaker 1: that's something I like about you. She never takes credit
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Speaker 1: for other people's ideas, you know, she's always she's big
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Speaker 1: enough of a star to let the other star shine.
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Speaker 1: You know. Well, I've memorized his work. He is such
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Speaker 1: a scholar and one of his lines is, or one
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Speaker 1: of his phrases is that with stalking, the stalker imagines
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Speaker 1: that there is an entire relationship when there is no
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Speaker 1: evidence to support that. In fact, when there's evidence to
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Speaker 1: the contrary, and so they go after the victim for
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Speaker 1: perceived rejection, and they punish the victim for perceived rejection.
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Speaker 1: So the stalker could just go on one date and
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Speaker 1: spin an entire story in their mind that they're going
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Speaker 1: to get married, that they're an item, and that you know,
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Speaker 1: this person belongs to them and there's a commitment when
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Speaker 1: there's absolutely nothing to support that. So in some ways, Dick, well,
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Speaker 1: definitely Dix did not have what we call a preference
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Speaker 1: for reality. She was not living in reality. She was
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Speaker 1: whatever was going on in her own mind. It's kind
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Speaker 1: of hard to believe this beautiful yet studious looking woman,
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Speaker 1: she's perfectly kept, could get all crazy drive to her
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Speaker 1: boyfriend's place, which Levi, you can tell me later how
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Speaker 1: far away it was an open fire, because Joe Scott Morgan,
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Speaker 1: did you hear what the cops said? She was taken
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Speaker 1: to the hospital where she complains of sudden memory loss,
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Speaker 1: and she showed no sign whatsoever of being assaulted. What
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Speaker 1: can you tell me about the injuries, Joe Scott Morgan? Oh, well,
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Speaker 1: first off, with her, there is an absence of of
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Speaker 1: the injuries. And you know, one of the things that
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Speaker 1: you're going to think of with with an event like
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Speaker 1: this is that she would have been approached and assaulted
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Speaker 1: by this man that she was confronting at his apartment
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Speaker 1: by the way, and the weapon. That's kind of a
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Speaker 1: problem what you just said, because typically if she was
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Speaker 1: firing in self defense, you would look at what leads
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Speaker 1: up to that, and if she drove across the country
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Speaker 1: to get to him. That would initially armed. I might add, yes,
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Speaker 1: she goes into the home where the apartment armed, that
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Speaker 1: would make her the aggressor not him. It would when
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Speaker 1: did this switch in her mind that she had to
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Speaker 1: shoot him in self defense? Go ahead? Please? Yeah, you
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Speaker 1: know my thought is female or not? You know, at
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Speaker 1: that point in time, if someone shows up female or not,
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Speaker 1: all the women in here are laughing, and you know,
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Speaker 1: doctor Bethany says perfectly arched eyebrows. I'm sure one of them.
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Speaker 1: It's like halfway to her hairline right now. So female
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Speaker 1: or not? What was the rest of that sentence? I mean,
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Speaker 1: Joe Scott, you gotta get with the times, friend. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: if you throw a gun up in my face, even
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Speaker 1: if she's a female, she might be able to carry
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Speaker 1: off a scheme. Okay, go ahead, Yeah, Well, you know
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Speaker 1: she shows up. She shows up at his residence after driving.
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Speaker 1: You know, I can only assume that since she's working
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Speaker 1: in Indiana, she's coming from South Bend. This is no
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Speaker 1: easy drive, Nancy. It makes me think of the astronaut case,
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Speaker 1: you know, where she's driving across the country wearing a
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Speaker 1: diaper and that sort of thing. That was an oldie
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Speaker 1: but a goody also part of a love triangle. The
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Speaker 1: female astronaut she attains this an incredible success, goes crazy
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Speaker 1: over her. Was he a married boyfriend? Drives hours and
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Speaker 1: hours and hours wearing an adult diaper so she wouldn't
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Speaker 1: have to slow down to take a poop and to
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Speaker 1: shoot the love rival anyway, again back to Joe Scott. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: and again a person of seemingly high intelligence. Here we've
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Speaker 1: got an individual that's a PhD student. So my thought is,
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Speaker 1: you know, why are you going to drive all of
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Speaker 1: this distance and it is a great distance from Southman
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Speaker 1: to DC, show up at this man's home whom you
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Speaker 1: haven't you know, you don't have a relationship with at
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Speaker 1: that moment time, Why the hell are you showing up
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Speaker 1: with a hand cannon? And then you're prepared to do harm, which,
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Speaker 1: of course, in the end she actually did. She wants
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Speaker 1: to have to curse multiple time? Do you have to
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Speaker 1: curse to make your point? Actually makes me. Actually it's
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Speaker 1: because they have a very mad vocabulary and they can't
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Speaker 1: say anything else. And the other day, doctor Bethany, you
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Speaker 1: know how I feel about this? A publication put my
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Speaker 1: name in the title with the lord's name in vain.
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Speaker 1: Do you know how I'm nearly did a backflip And
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Speaker 1: we called and called and asked him to change the
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Speaker 1: title because it made it sound like a quote, but
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Speaker 1: they wouldn't. Boy, when Jesus sees that he's going to
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Speaker 1: have a fit clime stories with Nancy Grace, Guys, we're
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Speaker 1: talking about a PhD student, gorgeous, has everything going for her,
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Speaker 1: drives we think through the night to gun down her
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Speaker 1: boyfriend of three months. What were you saying, doctor Bethany, Well,
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Speaker 1: you were talking about the astronaut and putting on the
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Speaker 1: diapers driving across the country. I remember commenting on that
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Speaker 1: story on Good Morning America. I talked to all my
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Speaker 1: colleagues about why would somebody who's so intelligent, so trained,
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Speaker 1: she went through NASA, she had all the psych testing,
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Speaker 1: and why would she want to kill her love rival?
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Speaker 1: And this dicks that we're talking about today, the beautiful kitten, heels,
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Speaker 1: the green skirt, the clothed hair, the perfect teeth, the PhD.
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Speaker 1: Why is somebody who has at such a high academic level,
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Speaker 1: why would they be so homicidal? And all of my
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Speaker 1: colleagues said that when you're that smart, you're that trained,
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Speaker 1: you have all the degrees, it provides a thin veneer
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Speaker 1: of sophistication that can hide a very disturbed interior. So
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Speaker 1: these people kind of get by in society because of
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Speaker 1: their credentials and degrees, and it covers up how disturbed
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Speaker 1: they are deep down. It's like putting the wallpaper over
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Speaker 1: the cracked underneath they cracked wall and covering it up
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Speaker 1: and nobody knows. Take a listen to Dave matt Crime online.
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Speaker 1: A doctor examined a Jynski digs after the shooting of
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Speaker 1: Terry Hickman and told detectives that Dix did not indicate
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Speaker 1: she had been assaulted and didn't present with any physical
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Speaker 1: signs of trauma. Police talked to multiple eyewitnesses, one of
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Speaker 1: whom said they heard shots while outside the building, heard
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Speaker 1: a woman scream, oh my God, and then saw a
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Speaker 1: woman walking back and forth on the balcony. Other witnesses
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Speaker 1: told police and off. After being released from the hospital,
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Speaker 1: Dix was taken to a police station, where she again
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Speaker 1: complained of memory laws. During an interview with detectives, Dix
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Speaker 1: asked police for some sort of information that made jog
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Speaker 1: her memory about what had happened. According to the court filings.
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Speaker 1: When shown a photograph of Hickman, Dix began crying and saying,
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Speaker 1: get it away from me. Detectives talk to an individual
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Speaker 1: who said that the woman was stalking the decedon and
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Speaker 1: that she was from out of state but somehow found
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Speaker 1: out where he lived. Nijinski Dix has been arrested and
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Speaker 1: charged with the murder of Terry Hickman. What about that
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Speaker 1: turn of events, too, Leavi Page. She had never even
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Speaker 1: been to his home before, yet she fantasized they had
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Speaker 1: this relationship and he should die from breaking up with her.
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Speaker 1: You're absolutely right, Nancy, and something Indiana to Washington, DC.
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Speaker 1: Or she drove that's six hundred and twelve miles, about
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Speaker 1: ten hours of driving. And you know what this reminds
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Speaker 1: me of. It reminds me of Jodiarius Or where she
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Speaker 1: lived in California, and she traveled to Arizona to be
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Speaker 1: with Travis Alexander and when he started seeing other people,
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Speaker 1: she lost it and stabbed him dozens of times, twenty
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Speaker 1: nine times to be exact. Although there were so many
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Speaker 1: stab wounds they couldn't really determine because some stab wounds
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Speaker 1: were on top of other stab wounds and then to
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Speaker 1: top it off, just to make sure he was dead,
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Speaker 1: she capped him in the head, left him to decay
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Speaker 1: in his shower stall. Then she literally drove across the
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Speaker 1: desert with blood on her hands, and again literally jumped
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Speaker 1: on her new boyfriend and straddled him with the blood
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Speaker 1: on her hands. From Travis Alexander, guys were talking about
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Speaker 1: a victim in the prime of his life as well,
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Speaker 1: Terry Hickman, who dared to break up with a long
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Speaker 1: distance girlfriend of just three months. She finds out where
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Speaker 1: he lives. She obviously didn't know, and to me, there
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Speaker 1: was a reason for her not knowing where he lived.
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Speaker 1: He had not told her that and guns him down
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Speaker 1: dead over dating somebody else, not behind her back. He
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Speaker 1: broke up with her, and that threw her into a rage.
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Speaker 1: It's not the first time something like this, exactly like
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Speaker 1: this has happened. Take a listen to our friends at
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Speaker 1: Inside Edition. I Love Him From her jail cell, Jacqueline
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Speaker 1: Aids says she's still infatuated by a man she went
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Speaker 1: on three dates with whom she met online. I felt
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Speaker 1: like I met my fulmy and everything was just the
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Speaker 1: way it was, and I thought we would just do
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Speaker 1: what everybody else did, and we would just like get
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Speaker 1: married and everything would be fine. But then say Aids
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Speaker 1: was contrastpassing at the guy's Arizona home several times after
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Speaker 1: telling them he didn't want anything to do with her anymore.
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Speaker 1: Turns out, belusay she send him about sixty five thousand
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Speaker 1: text messages as well, writing disturbing things like oh, what
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Speaker 1: would I do with your blood? I'd want to bathe
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Speaker 1: in it, and I'd wear your skull. Aids is charged
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Speaker 1: with multiple crimes, including threatening, stalking, and harassment. I miss
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Speaker 1: part of that. What did she say about his skull? LEVI?
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Speaker 1: I couldn't hear. She said something about I would bathe
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Speaker 1: in your blood and something about his skull. She would
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Speaker 1: wear his skull, and she compared herself to Hitler. She
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Speaker 1: thought he was a genius as well. I don't know
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Speaker 1: how you know all this, LEVI just you know off
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Speaker 1: the top of your head. It's disturbing on many levels.
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Speaker 1: Take a listen to our friends. A kphotv. Jacqueline Addas
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Speaker 1: claims she went on three dates with a Paradise Valley
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Speaker 1: man she met through an online dating services for millionaire matchmaking.
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Speaker 1: Court records say Addis sent the victim sixty five thousand
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Speaker 1: text messages, including threats to kill him, where his body parts,
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Speaker 1: and bathe in his blood. Addis does not deny the
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Speaker 1: volume of text messages, but she would not get into specifics.
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Speaker 1: She did, however, regret the nature of some of those messages.
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Speaker 1: When you're finding love, not everything is perfect. This was
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Speaker 1: a journey, and I wanted to apologize because nobody would
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Speaker 1: ever be more sorry. Addis said she never intended to
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Speaker 1: hurt or scare the victim, and she doesn't blame him
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Speaker 1: for her incarceration. No, I love him, bathe in his
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Speaker 1: blood and where his body parts. That phrase is going
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Speaker 1: to stick with me for a long time. Doctor Bethany,
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Speaker 1: We've actually been jokingly dis scribing women with quote snakes
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Speaker 1: in their head, the heads, bathed in his blood and
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Speaker 1: where his body parts. And Terry Hickman, that guy lived.
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Speaker 1: Terry Hickman is dead. He can't be brought back. His
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Speaker 1: family is grieving. What is at the heart of this
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Speaker 1: The truth is, Nancy, we have a phrase in my
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Speaker 1: field called merger fantasies. That's when you want to merge
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Speaker 1: with somebody rather than connect to them appropriately. It's considered
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Speaker 1: that if you have an adult who's stuck in a
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Speaker 1: very infantile way of thinking, babies merge with their mothers,
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Speaker 1: And what I mean by that is they gaze into
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Speaker 1: each other's eyes. There's skin to skin contact, there's no
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Speaker 1: separateness between mother and infant. And adults who are very
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Speaker 1: pathological are really thinking from this most primitive, early instantile
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Speaker 1: way of relating. So this, I want to bathe in
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Speaker 1: your blood and your body parts. It's gonna it's like,
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Speaker 1: I'm going to be one with you. You're never going
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Speaker 1: to be separate from me. You're going to be an
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Speaker 1: extension of me, similar to men to women who fall
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Speaker 1: in love with men in prison. I'm going to know
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Speaker 1: where you are all the time. You're never going to
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Speaker 1: be separate and autonomous. You know. I'm reminded of the
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Speaker 1: trailer for Desperate Housewives. I don't know if you remember
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Speaker 1: this ye that the redhead is sitting next her husband
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Speaker 1: is in a hospital bed, his legs in a sling,
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Speaker 1: he has he's in a body cast, he has bruises
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Speaker 1: all over his face. She's sitting on the side of
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Speaker 1: the bed, perfectly quaffed, and and he says to her
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Speaker 1: you you tried to kill me, and she says in
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Speaker 1: a pleasant voice, Oh, I'm sorry about that. I love
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Speaker 1: that trailer because it gets at the heart of domestic
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Speaker 1: violence and this kind of dynamic. You know, I'm thinking
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Speaker 1: about how even we who are crime veterans are discussing
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Speaker 1: this because typically the male victim lives, but in this
26:11
Speaker 1: case that was not to be for Terry Hickman, who
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Speaker 1: lost his life because this woman, Najinsky Dix, could not
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Speaker 1: let go crime stories with Nancy Grace. We are talking
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Speaker 1: about the death of a man in the prime of
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Speaker 1: his life, Terry Hickman. He was stalked and pursued by
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Speaker 1: his ex girlfriend. PhD student Nazinsky Dix. You certainly cannot
26:51
Speaker 1: judge a book by its cover. She looks like she's
26:55
Speaker 1: a lawyer about to go into court. She's perfectly quaf,
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Speaker 1: her hair is lustrous and well kept, perfect makeup, perfect outfit,
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Speaker 1: perfect credentials, PhD student and of all things crime and
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Speaker 1: justice and is a killer. And her lame excuse that
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Speaker 1: she had suddenly sudden memory loss and that she had
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Speaker 1: been attacked, although all she could complain of is about
27:22
Speaker 1: a back ailment. When she got to jail to Joe
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Speaker 1: Scott Morgan, Professor Forensics, Jacksonville State University. You know, I
27:31
Speaker 1: asked you about the injuries, and you immediately started talking
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Speaker 1: about her nonexistent injuries. What about him? He's dead, Yeah,
27:39
Speaker 1: he is very much So he was expecting a little
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Speaker 1: more from your analysis, Joe Scott, Well, it is a
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Speaker 1: terminal analysis, Nancy. He was shot in multiple times in
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Speaker 1: his home, and she showed up with a semi automatic handgun.
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Speaker 1: There was still actually when the police arrived at the scene.
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Speaker 1: Now keep in mind, let me kind of paint this
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Speaker 1: picture for you. When the police arrived at the scene,
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Speaker 1: she has one hand. She's kneeling at the victim's feet.
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Speaker 1: Just imagine that she's kneeling at his feet. He's suffering
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Speaker 1: from gunshot wounds. She's got her right hand raised in
28:18
Speaker 1: the air, you know, much like when the police on
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Speaker 1: TV say show your hand, show your hands, and between
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Speaker 1: her legs. Her left hand is out of you and
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Speaker 1: she's holding this loaded weapon. Now she's already shot him
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Speaker 1: multiple times with this weapon. There's still a live round
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Speaker 1: in the chamber, okay, because when an a semi automatic weapon,
28:42
Speaker 1: it loads up another round until it's out and there
28:45
Speaker 1: were still more rounds in the magazine. So what I'm
28:48
Speaker 1: saying is these police officers actually walked into a very
28:52
Speaker 1: very dangerous situation where this man has died, and you know,
28:57
Speaker 1: I think my thought is how long did he languish
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Speaker 1: on the floor? How long did he kind of dwell
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Speaker 1: in that environment with this crazy person lording over him
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Speaker 1: with this weapon? Well says she's saying, because remember, earwitnesses
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Speaker 1: stated they heard gunshot, wounds and then she said something
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Speaker 1: like help me. At that point in time, it's not
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Speaker 1: like she's being attack Prior to that, where you would
29:23
Speaker 1: think people would say help me, help me, help me,
29:25
Speaker 1: and then you hear bam, bam bam. It was the
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Speaker 1: reverse of that. So this is a very disturbed picture
29:31
Speaker 1: that's being painted here. Jessica Morgan, that's an excellent analysis.
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Speaker 1: I want to go to veteran trial lawyer Jim Elliott
29:37
Speaker 1: at Butler snow dot com. Jim a couple of things.
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Speaker 1: Leavi Page pointed out that it was at least a
29:45
Speaker 1: ten hour drive. Right there is ten hours that we
29:50
Speaker 1: know of of premeditation finding his address. She had never
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Speaker 1: been there before, going from her car to inside, knocking
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Speaker 1: on the door, him opening the door all that time
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Speaker 1: equals premeditation because under the law across our country brought
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Speaker 1: over from Great Britain when we adopted our common law,
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Speaker 1: premeditation can be formed in the blink of an eye
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Speaker 1: and the twinkling of a moment and the time it
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Speaker 1: takes you to raise the gun and pull the trigger
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Speaker 1: or less. It is no different than when you plan
30:28
Speaker 1: a long time plan such as poisoning someone over a
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Speaker 1: period of weeks and months. Premeditation can be formed just
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Speaker 1: like that. She had time for premeditation, which makes this
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Speaker 1: only one thing murder one absolutely, I mean a lot
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Speaker 1: of the normal distenses that would be available to her,
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Speaker 1: like a moment of passion or an even number of
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Speaker 1: other things. Just that they're not going to be there.
30:52
Speaker 1: No jury's going to buy that, you know, ten hours
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Speaker 1: in the car. Also, there are report said the two
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Speaker 1: have been saying arguing in the parking lot before the shooting,
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Speaker 1: which means she would have had to follow him in
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Speaker 1: or somehow get And I've got a very strong feeling
31:15
Speaker 1: this guy was not gonna let her in his place. Again,
31:19
Speaker 1: this is not the first time a similar incident has occurred.
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Speaker 1: Take a listen to our friend at w k MG.
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Speaker 1: Eric Santoval. Ossiola County Sheriff's investigators say a woman called
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Speaker 1: nine one one around noon today from this home on
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Speaker 1: Blackpool Way. She said someone she knew was trying to
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Speaker 1: get inside and he was armed. When deputies arrived, they
31:39
Speaker 1: say they confronted a man matching the description a block
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Speaker 1: away and that is when he pulled out his gun
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Speaker 1: and shot himself. They identified him his twenty year old
31:49
Speaker 1: Kai Douglas Williams, and inside the house they say they
31:52
Speaker 1: found his estranged girlfriend, eighteen year old Larissa Borrows, shot dead.
31:58
Speaker 1: She was my best friend, Drew Smith. It says he's
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Speaker 1: known Borrows since the second grade and he lived down
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Speaker 1: the street. It's heartbroken. His home chess Field's empty when
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Speaker 1: you lose somebody that means so much to you. Smith
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Speaker 1: said the couple had a little boy and they also
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Speaker 1: had problems. New six investigated and according to the Ossola
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Speaker 1: County court records, Williams wasn't supposed to go near Borrows.
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Speaker 1: He had a restraining order after a case of domestic violence.
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Speaker 1: Her friends tell us he set her car on fire
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Speaker 1: here at school. He had also been arrested for stalking borrows.
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Speaker 1: So there you see a guy with a tro against
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Speaker 1: him to keep him away from the victim. But it
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Speaker 1: doesn't work. It doesn't work at all. He pursues her
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Speaker 1: until he kills her. So to doctor Bethiity Marshall, court
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Speaker 1: intervention in that case seemingly did not work. Nancy, Seventy
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Speaker 1: two percent of all stalking cases occur when a woman
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Speaker 1: is trying to leave a relationship and they are married.
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Speaker 1: We think of stalking as being amongst dating partners or
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Speaker 1: somebody who's trying to get away from another person after
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Speaker 1: a brief relationship. But think about it. Seventy two percent
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Speaker 1: of all stalking cases are expouses who are going through
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Speaker 1: a divorce, so they're already in some type of legal
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Speaker 1: proceeding and it doesn't provide a barrier. What I think
33:23
Speaker 1: is interesting about Dick is that she says to the doctor,
33:27
Speaker 1: I blacked out. I don't remember. In my field, we
33:30
Speaker 1: call this malingering amnesia. Amnesia is a medical disorder, and
33:36
Speaker 1: malingering means you're making up a medical disorder. It's kind
33:40
Speaker 1: of like saying that you have brain cancer so that
33:43
Speaker 1: everybody will send you money. In this case, it's making
33:46
Speaker 1: up that you don't remember in order to get out
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Speaker 1: of some legal consequence. So this is the oldest trick
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Speaker 1: in the book. So the lies upon lies just pile
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Speaker 1: up after these domestic incidents. I want you to take
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Speaker 1: a listen to our cut number nine. This is Lisa
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Speaker 1: Rosner at CBS two with another similar case. As investigators
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Speaker 1: surveyed the gun used to kill fifty six year old
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Speaker 1: Elizabeth Lee Herman, students and staff across the street at
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Speaker 1: the Grace Church School in Cooper Square were on lockdown.
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Speaker 1: They had no idea The person shot at the City
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Speaker 1: bike rack was the school secretary, a part of their
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Speaker 1: community for seventeen years. It was a very very difficult
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Speaker 1: morning for the kids, several of them including me. We're
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Speaker 1: out front here when it happened. After allegedly stalking her
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Speaker 1: for months at her home, her workplace, and even while
34:39
Speaker 1: she was out on other dates, sixty two year old
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Speaker 1: Vincent Verdi is accused of shooting the divorced mother of
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Speaker 1: two in the stomach Wednesday morning. She later died at
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Speaker 1: a hospital. She broke up with him in July and
34:52
Speaker 1: got a restraining order October fifth, after he was arrested
34:55
Speaker 1: for stalking she was such an angel. He would be
34:58
Speaker 1: calling her all the time and she was like, you
35:01
Speaker 1: have to stop calling me, even stalking her on dates
35:06
Speaker 1: that she would have with other people. I noticed Levi
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Speaker 1: Page climb online dot Com investigative reporter that after the shooting,
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Speaker 1: she told detectives quote, you don't do people you love
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Speaker 1: like that. That's not love. I don't want that. He
35:20
Speaker 1: can't do people like that. In other words, it sounds
35:23
Speaker 1: to me like she's still blaming him even though she's
35:26
Speaker 1: just shot him dead. Yes, And she told that to
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Speaker 1: detectives when they were interviewing her, when they showed her
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Speaker 1: a photo of the victim. And they were doing this
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Speaker 1: because she said that she had this memory lass that
35:38
Speaker 1: she couldn't remember what happened and she needed her memory job.
35:42
Speaker 1: So they showed her the photo and she recoiled and
35:45
Speaker 1: was saying that to make sure that he is not
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Speaker 1: near me, make sure Terry is not near me. So
35:52
Speaker 1: she's setting herself up as the victim. Well, if the
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Speaker 1: facts as we know them are true, this is nothing
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Speaker 1: but murder one. As his family grieves him, Terry Hitman,
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Speaker 1: we wait as justice unfolds. Nancy Gray's crime story signing
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Speaker 1: off goodbye friend,