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Beyond the Unthinkable: A Mother’s Journey Through Child Loss, Grief, Trauma & Healing with Melissa Hull · Cry It Out Loud: Navigating Infertility, Miscarriage, Stillbirth, Infant Loss & Pregnancy After Loss

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Crying Out Loud, a podcast by Chasing the Rainbows with your
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host Bernice Quisenberry. Welcome to Cry It Out Loud, a
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podcast by Chasing the Rainbows, where we honor every story of
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loss and shine a light on the path toward healing.
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Today's guest is someone whose journey through grief has
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touched countless lives. Melissa Hall after the tragic
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loss of her four year old son in a drowning accident.
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Melissa spent the last 20 years on a path of heartbreak,
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resilience, and transformation. Out of her pain, she created the
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Greater Than Grief Movement, a coaching practice, a podcast,
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and sooner upcoming book, Dear Drew, Creating a Life Bigger
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Than Grief. Melissa has been featured in USA
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TODAY, Forbes, CNBCMSNBC, and most recently on FOX 5 Live, and
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she continues to share a message that resonates with so many.
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Grief doesn't define us. The choices we make in its
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presence do. Melissa, thank you for being
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here today. I know our listeners will be
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moved and inspired by your story, your wisdom, and the way
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you've redefined grief as an invitation to live fully.
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Thank you. Well, thank you so much for
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having me today. I've, I've been really looking
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forward to this podcast interview.
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So I just once again, I want to thank you for inviting me and I
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look forward to our conversation.
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Oh, well, thank you so much, Melissa.
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That means a lot. And yes, I would love for you to
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start by our guests and listeners, you know, getting to
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know you. Sure.
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So my name is Melissa Hall. I am the mother of three amazing
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children, one who resides in heaven.
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My journey began with loss and bereavement at an early age.
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My mother was a cancer patient when I was 10 years old, and she
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had to move away from our home for the treatment that she
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needed because our community was too small and we didn't have the
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right doctors for her. And so I, my introduction to
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grief was one that was really based in a lot of fear, a lot of
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anxiety. I was 10 years old.
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So that was, you know, 40 years ago.
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And cancer was a very different diagnosis back then.
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The prognosis wasn't expected to be very good for my mother.
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So I lived with this anticipation of loss and really
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created a story in my mind that grief was something that I
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needed to fear and avoid at all cost.
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Because the outcome and the reality of losing my mother at
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the time was so much more than my my little heart could handle.
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So in in some ways, I think when when the accident with my son
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happened later, I had this ingrained belief system around
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loss and bereavement and grief, one that didn't serve me well.
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But what happened on the morning of my son's accident?
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I was married, a young mother. I was 29 years old at the time
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and I had these two amazing little boys that were 15 months
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apart. Drew was the oldest and he was
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my absolute wild child. He just, he lived so fully every
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minute of his life. And on this particular morning,
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his younger brother Devin had asthma as a toddler.
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And I had been up for a few days giving him breathing treatments,
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just trying like heck to avoid having to take my 2 little boys
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to the emergency room because I knew Drew would not sit still
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and and behave when my husband was out of town at the time.
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So I had been just up doing what we moms do, taking care of my
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little boys. And on this particular morning,
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after a very long night of breathing treatments with Devin
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Drew, who always woke up at the crack of dawn, and we actually
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had a little rule and he couldn't get out of his bed
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until the sun was actually up in the sky.
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He had to wait for the sun to be up in the sky.
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So on this morning, he ran into my bedroom where Devin was
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laying next to me and he said, Mama, Mama, the sun is up.
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It's time to get up. It's time to get up and I'm so
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tired. I'm like just so tired.
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But I said he's right, the sun is up.
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That's the rule. So I got up with him and he had
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two requests for breakfast. He wanted Rocky red ice cream
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and beef raviolis. So we settled on some beef
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raviolis and I got him his his plate of food.
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He wanted to watch Thomas the Tank Engine.
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So I turned on his favorite program, give him some plans and
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paper to draw. And I said, hey, sweetheart,
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I've got to go back and check on Devin now because he hasn't been
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feeling well. And he said, OK, Mama.
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And I said I will be right back. And those are, you know, those
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last words. Yeah.
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There's the last words I said to my son is I'll be right back,
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sweetheart. So I go back to my bedroom and I
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can see Devin is just really struggling to breathe.
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And I can't give him another breathing treatment because it's
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not. It's too soon.
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So I just kind of sit beside him on my side, just kind of patting
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his back. And I must have inadvertently
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fallen asleep because I woke up. And when I woke up, I it was in
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like a panicked state. I knew.
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I knew instantly that I needed to go find Drew because the
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house was really quiet and that's just not normal when Drew
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is in the house. So as I started to look for him,
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I looked in all the usual hiding places, you know, under the bed
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hind curtains, you know, in closets.
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And I, I couldn't find him. And as I'm looking for him, the
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panic is now growing and I'm starting to really become very
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fearful that something is wrong. And then I saw that the back
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door was open ever so slightly. And then I thought, OK, great.
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He's just outside. He's outside because he loved to
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be outside. He, he was, he was, you know, he
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was only four and a half at the time.
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And he left to climb trees and get up on the roof like this
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child. Just, he was a handful.
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Like he just had No Fear and all this energy and all these
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creative ideas of how he's going to spend his time.
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So I'm outside thinking, OK, I, I looked in the trees, I looked
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around the property and then I happened to notice as I'm crying
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out for him, Drew, mommy's looking for you.
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Please let me know where you are.
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I'm getting scared. I happened to walk towards the
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front of our property and I noticed our dogs were running
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toward me. So they were away from the
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property, running back toward it.
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And I looked at, as they got closer, I looked at them and one
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of them was completely wet. And I thought, what in the heck?
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Why are you? Why are you wet?
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And then I thought, Oh my God, the irrigation canal.
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And I looked down at the ground and I could see my son's
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footprints headed towards that irrigation canal.
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And so in that moment, I recognized my son was in great
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danger. And I ran immediately to this
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irrigation canal, which is common in my community because
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we have such large agricultural enterprises here.
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And when I arrived at the canal, I could see the evidence of
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where some dirt had broken away from the top embankment.
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And there was a splash on the the canal on, you know, that I
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could see. And I just knew he had fallen
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in. And so I dropped to my knees and
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I remember begging God to please, please, please help me
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find him and to please let him be OK.
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It was about this time that a gentleman drove by and I begged
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him to call the authorities because I just ran out of the
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house. I didn't bring a phone.
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I, I just was searching for my child and he did call the
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authorities and because Devin was back at home, I said I've
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got to go back and go get my son to bring him with me to, to look
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for Drew. And by the time I reached the
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home and got the Devin that my house was just full of police
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and fire department, the Sheriff's Department and then
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friends and family started to arrive.
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My husband at the time was away on business, so it took him a
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few hours to come home. And as we were all searching or
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they were all searching, they wanted me to stay at the house
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with Devin. And so I did.
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And it was probably about five hours later that my father came
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and sat next to me and he put his arm around me.
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And in that moment, I, I just, I knew.
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And he said, Miss, I'm so sorry. They found him and he's gone.
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And I, I remember thinking in that moment after, you know,
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this, this devastating wave of unimaginable pain, just
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unimaginable sorrow just overcame me.
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I just thought, my life will never be the same.
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It will never. I will never be happy again.
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That was that was almost that instant kind of narrative that
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my mind took me to. And the reason I brought up my
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my childhood is because I think my relationship with grief, that
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story was so present that that's why I had that initial thought.
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I was preparing myself for this life of misery, this life of
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disappointment, this life of despair, this life of anguish
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and uncertainty because the accident really robbed my sense
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of safety. It really like, it really
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challenged my ability to feel safe in a world that I can't
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predict or control outcomes in. And so from that point forward,
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you know, it, it, it was a tough Rd.
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You know, my husband and I, we on the surface and to everybody
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who knew us, we look like we're doing fine.
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But we had cracks in our foundation and our marriage and
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the grief, we grieved in entirely different ways.
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And because I was the parent that was home that, you know,
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and I fell asleep, there was some blame.
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There was some blame for a period of time.
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And it just became really obvious that we needed to take
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some time apart. And so a month after Drew's
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burial, my husband made the decision and, and I, and I, I
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understood the decision, but I can't say I was in support of
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it, but I understood his need for some space.
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And so he made the decision to leave.
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And that is when that story that I had told myself in that moment
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really started to manifest. I was living my worst nightmare.
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I'd lost my son and now my husband.
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I'm not sure if I'm going to have a marriage.
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I'm not sure if I'm going to be forgiven.
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All I know is that I don't know how to handle this life.
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I didn't ask for this life. I don't know what to do with all
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of this pain. And I certainly didn't have any
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internal resources at the time to really process all of the
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losses that I was going through at that time.
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So my, my journey with grief in that moment was one of self
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hatred and blame shame because I felt like it was my fault and
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responsibility that I had failed as a mother, that I, I wasn't
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even sure if I felt confident to continue raising my, you know,
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raising Devin. And I really struggled mentally
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for a time. And I remember at my lowest
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point, which was the first time that Joey had come to pick Devin
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up to stay with him for a night at his new home.
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I remember saying goodbye to Devin and sitting on my sofa and
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holding a picture of Drew close to my heart and saying, God, I
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can't do it. I can't do this.
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I just can't carry it all. So I had this, you know, I, I'm
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not going to say that I hadn't been considering ending my life
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before this, But there was this moment of really kind of that
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dark night of the soul where I was at that crossroads.
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What am I going to do? Am I going to give in to this?
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Am I going to succumb to this or, or do I want to try to fight
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through it? And honestly, at the time, I was
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leaning more towards just letting this life go.
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And then I, I paused and, and I was crying and I sent Drew's
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picture down. And I remember looking at the
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coffee table and there were some condolence cards that I hadn't
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opened yet. And I knew what they were and I
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just didn't. I just couldn't bring myself to
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read one more, you know, I'm sorry for your loss kind of
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card. So there was this business
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envelope, a white business envelope that was addressed to
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me. It just and it was handwritten.
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There was no like it wasn't mailed somebody.
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Somehow it got to my home and I don't know if it was dropped off
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and somebody brought it into the house, but it said to the mother
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of Drew Gallimore and that's all it said.
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And I'm like, well, what the heck is this?
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So I pick it up and I open this letter.
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And it was a letter from another mother in my community, or at
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least I believe in my community, who was reaching out because she
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lost her daughter to an accidental car accident.
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They were ready to go to school and she had left her purse in
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the house, so they had gone to the car.
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She said, sweetheart, I left my keys in the house.
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So she went back into the house to get her keys.
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And she's explaining this in her letter.
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And her little girl somehow ran into the road and was struck by
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a, a, a vehicle passing by. And she wrote to me and she
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explained in the most eloquent way that she understood the kind
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of pain that I was going through from the perspective of feeling
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responsible and feeling the shame and the guilt and the the
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blame for what had happened. She said, I, I, I understand
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that you're probably feeling those emotions.
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I know I did. And then she said, but I want to
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encourage you to hold on to the beautiful memories of your son
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and let and let love and joy be your compass forward.
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She said you will have to choose it and it will be a daily
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choice. It will be something that will
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feel like you're taking a few steps forward and maybe 1000
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steps back in one day. But you have to point your
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compass toward joy and happiness.
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It's the only way forward in, in to bring your son's love with
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you. And so I, I, I, I, I have this
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letter in this woman's message of hope at my crossroads, at
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this pivotal moment in my, my life.
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And I decided to live. I decided, OK, I, if, if, if she
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can do this and it. And she went on to talk about
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what her life was like today and that she was living with meaning
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and fulfillment and that she, you know, found, you know,
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community service and outreach as a, as a healing mechanism for
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her. And at the time, water safety
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education and canal safety awareness was not something that
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was going on in my community. And so that was the decision I
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made. I made the choice in that moment
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that I was going to not only live, but if I was going to live
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that I was going to bring Drew's amazing, you know, life along
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with me. And so I started talking about
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water safety education to the most at risk demographic, which
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are little boys and little girls under the age of five.
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And little boys are at the top of that demographic for being
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most at risk. And so I started talking to his
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preschool and his friends 1st and then I branched off into
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other, you know, preschools in the area.
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And that's how I began to walk forward with grief in a new way,
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in a different way, with the intentional decision that I
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didn't know how I would get there, but that my goal in my,
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my desire was to not let the pain and the agony of losing my
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son be the end of his story or my life.
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And so that's when I decided to just intentionally find ways to
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bring him more into my world through the work that I do and I
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and honestly, I've never stopped.
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It's definitely changed and evolved.
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I went from talking about water safety education to eventually
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writing my first book, Lessons from Neverland.
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And that that was based on the, the one year where I spent every
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day for one year writing Drew a letter.
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And so dear Drew, my book, Dear Drew, Creating a Life Bigger
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than Grief is really, it's chronicled from partly those
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letters that I wrote to him and the other part, what I've
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learned and what I did to support myself to attain that
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goal of living a life of empowerment, fulfilment,
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meaning, and actually like absolute joy.
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I live a much different life now because I have taken the time to
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let grief be one of the most profound teachers of my life.
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And how you've just used it well, instead of shape so many
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different aspects of your life because it is, it's at times
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it's so overwhelming, it swallows you whole.
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And to take that and then now, you know, educate and advocate
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for, you know, others and to help them and to feel seen and
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heard, but also, you know, awareness around being proactive
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and things like that. It's huge.
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Well, thank you. I, it's, it's, it's truly the
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most meaningful work I, I think I could ever find or do it, it,
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it's brought me a lot of healing, honestly, connecting
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with other, other parents or people that have lost a
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significant beloved or loved one or spouse or sibling.
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I, I, I've talked with thousands of people and the one, the one
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question that I kept hearing was how, how did you do this?
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Because when they would meet me, I wasn't downtrodden and
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depressed and my energy levels were upbeat and I was happy,
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truly happy. Because I'm, I'm fulfilling my
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purpose, which is to bring Drew's beautiful life forward in
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such a way that it helps prevent future water.
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You know Future Drownings helps to educate parents around the
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lesser known and acknowledged water hazards.
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And so I felt like we were together making this
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contribution, but the how part, the how part was hard for me to
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answer. I didn't like I, I didn't
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necessarily stop and think, well, what did I do at this
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particular juncture that really did help me kind of mend this
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heart or end that cycle of questions that were really
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limiting or self punishing. What did I do?
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And once again, I turned to my, you know, turned back to my
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writing, my journaling, and it was very clear.
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I, you know, the, the different approaches that I took.
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I tried so many things. I was a curious griever.
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Like I went to drumming ceremonies.
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I went to, you know, healing or you know, healing like Sajana
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where they they the energy and the vortex and I drove into
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everything greatly so cellular release healing.
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And then I went on to study it and it become certified in these
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different modalities along with traditional therapy and the
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support of my faith community and my family.
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I forged this very, you know, zigzaggy kind of path towards
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what supported me. But I wrote it down.
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And so I had, I had a lot of information to pull from.
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So while I was asked by all of these people the how I didn't
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have an answer in that moment, but I intentionally took the
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time to go back and answer that question.
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And I started with that first moment.
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How did I go from that, that belief that my life was over and
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that I would never find any sort of joy or happiness and I
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deserved, you know, that I was just the worst mother in the
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world to knowing that not only was IA loving mother before the
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accident, I was a loving mother the day of the accident and I'm
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a loving mother today. None of that has ever changed.
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All that has changed is what I believe about myself.
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And that was and so I just did. I started to really dive into
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what helped me shift and and release a lot of those old
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experiences and old fears around what grief had to mean and let
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it teach me. And the lessons are beautiful if
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you allow for them to become that.
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I understand. And I am not here to say that it
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doesn't hurt it This process hurt.
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It hurt like hell. It brought me to the brink more
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than once. But there was always this thread
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of this idea of a future that would be joyful, that could be
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light, and that I could make a positive difference even even
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though my son wouldn't be physically here.
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How could I take our love in his life and his legacy and let it
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be a tribute to him? And that's what I, that's what
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really began to shape or reshape my relationship with grief.
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I never, I never understood why people would say that grief was,
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you know, something we'd go through.
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And it's like love with nowhere to go.
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I actually never felt like that. I always felt like no, no, no,
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no. Grief is the presence of loves
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in art. It's it's it's Love's presence
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in and it's begging our consciousness to reach beyond
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the pain and to acknowledge the love always remains.
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The one thing I know for sure is that love will always outlast
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life. It will remain long after we are
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not here and the left that we have for our children continues.
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Even though we are in the situation that no parent wants
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to be in and we have lost them, it doesn't mean that we've lost
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them entirely. We've lost the physical, you
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know, human connection. But the love and the that that
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infinite love that will always remain is where I found more
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peace in this journey than anywhere else is just really
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rejecting this idea that grief has to be this place where only
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love disappears. No grief.
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Grief was my my consciousness challenging my life story and
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experiences and the narratives that I created and really
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calling me forward into a different relationship, not only
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with myself, but with grief and then with the world.
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And so it just, it profoundly changed me and the work that I
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wanted to do. And I wanted to start writing to
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people like myself. And so I started writing blogs
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and I wrote my first book and my first book, you know, presented
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opportunities for me to start to become a public speaker.
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And I travelled the world. I'm sharing my story of
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overcoming adversities into finding, you know, a purpose.
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Maybe not the chosen purpose, but a purpose that has truly
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shaped my life in a healthy, positive and profoundly peaceful
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and loving way. And you're, you're spot on.
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I mean, just to name a couple things.
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You know, when you're sharing about grief and it not being
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linear, right? Like our journey with it either
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is the healing process or, or because we need to feel our
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feelings to continue with healing.
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And when you're going through that, sometimes journaling may
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work, sometimes, sometimes mindful movement may work, you
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know, and, and it really just depends on what you find for
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comfort in those in those moments.
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But also we are what we think, right?
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So then you having this way of using journaling to like in a
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healthy way, then start to tell yourself, right, because that
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shame, blame and guilt just can eat you alive.
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And if you stay in that space, but to be around others who
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understand and are your true support systems to help you see
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your value when you can in those darkest moments.
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And then also to start to re like train your brain to then
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start to think differently and then turn it into something so
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beautiful when you like repurpose your pain into helping
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others, Melissa, and not allowing it to keep you down and
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to keep you in a depressed state.
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And now you celebrate Drew's life.
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You honor him out loud by helping others is just.
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Thank you. Thank you so much.
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I'm, I'm very grateful for the life that I've had.
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And I say that and I understand what I'm saying.
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I am grateful for it all. I, I love the woman that I have
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become because of my experiences with grades.
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I am so clear on what is important.
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I understand the value of being truly present with the people
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that I love. And I also know that I don't
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wait. I don't wait to say it.
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If I, if I, if I love you, you're going to hear it 1000
27:33
times, you know, and I'm going to, I'm going to hug you.
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I'm going to want to gather and be with you because I have come
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to realize that the most valuable things that I have are
27:46
in the memories of the moments that I shared, not just with
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Drew, but with every person that has meaning in my life.
27:54
And so I made I, I don't know where I heard the phrase, but it
27:59
really resonated with me. I wanted to become a moments
28:04
millionaire. I wanted a million moments with
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the people that I love, with the places that renew my soul, that
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bring me peace. I wanted a million of those
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moments to hold onto. And then I also recognized that
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what I was doing was giving those people also the same gift
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that I was receiving, which was I have all of these beautiful
28:29
memories of my son. I actually want those memories
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with every single person that I know.
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And when my life ends and when I transition, I want my legacy to
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be that. She lived with purpose, she
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lived with love, and she loved big.
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That's what I want. Purposefully living.
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Oh my goodness, we had a whole episode on it months ago.
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But it's so true with this shapes you into then like your
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time, your time is so you realize it's so valuable.
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So who you spend it with, what you spend doing with it.
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That's the only thing. Like when, you know, we hear
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about people who are about to pass away and they're on their,
29:13
you know, last moments and they say, you know, I wish I had more
29:16
time. They never say, you know, I wish
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I worked more. I wish I had more money.
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It comes down to those moments and getting as many as you can
29:23
in and it's so true. Now living with that purpose and
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you're intentionally living. Absolutely.
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And you know, I feel I feel inspired to say something right
29:37
now. I'm sure that a lot of your
29:40
listeners are probably at the beginning phases of their
29:43
journey with grief. And one of the most helpful
29:47
things that was ever said to me was that grief can be the
29:53
reflection of love. It's, it's not, it's, it's the
29:57
shadow side of Love's brilliance or the mirror reflection of the
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beauty and the uniqueness of the person that we lost.
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And so if we can, if we can find a way to look at it in that
30:12
context, for me, it was it was validation of just how special
30:20
my connection with my son was and just how beautiful his life
30:25
was and how beautiful he was. And it stopped being this thing
30:28
that I felt like I had to get away from.
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And I actually started to let it be something that I could sit
30:34
with because it stopped being this this message of punishment.
30:38
And it started to be the testament, the testament of what
30:43
was what would always remain, which is the love that we shared
30:47
between us. And I think it's really
30:49
important to give people that message, especially early on,
30:55
because there are a lot of, there are a lot of things that
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society tells us there's a lot of, you know, there's a lot of
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well meaning platitudes and, and phrases that we hear a lot,
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right? Yes.
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I always found that the most helpful were about the
31:12
acknowledgement, not shying away from the reality of what I was
31:15
dealing with, but also the acknowledgement that pain wasn't
31:19
the only story that was being told here.
31:22
That if I could, I was experiencing pain and my
31:25
emotions were definitely, you know, harder to, to, you know,
31:29
to, to move forward at times because it, it does hurt our
31:33
hearts break it in that weight that we feel.
31:37
I was feeling all of those things, but when I could tap
31:41
into that truth, that Love's brilliance, if there is a
31:48
shadow, it is in that when we lose someone that we treasure,
31:53
that is that that there's a painful separation.
31:56
But it doesn't mean that love is absent.
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It means that love is evident, that love is present.
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And that was where I truly found I started to grow, not only in
32:08
my capacity to hold space for my pain, but to hold space for the
32:13
idea that maybe there was a new way for me to to operate inside
32:21
of this experience and to stop seeing it just as the worst day
32:25
that ever happened to me. But to start to see it as the
32:28
day I was being asked to become this person that you see before
32:32
you today. It was an invitation.
32:34
It was an invitation to expand beyond the circumstances and to
32:38
allow my son's love and my love for my son to become a driving
32:43
force in my desire to move forward.
32:47
Not move on, but move forward and to bring him with me.
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That is how I began to do it. Oh, Melissa, thank you for
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sharing that. Oh, I, oh, just sharing all of
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it really tugs on the heartstrings.
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And to see you here today and how you share about it, just for
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a lack of a better word, beautifully, I mean.
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Thank you. Yes, thank you.
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Is there anything that you want to leave our listeners with any
33:16
words of wisdom, you know, hearing, you know, and also
33:20
where your book can be found? Of course you know the links up
33:24
and everything in our podcast description.
33:26
Sure. I want every person that's
33:29
listening to this podcast to know that I speak from a place
33:33
of truth. I am speaking from my own
33:36
testimony of what grief has become in my life.
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It is my hope, my hope that my book can can serve you in some
33:45
way because it is possible. Is is as much as you may not
33:50
believe that in this moment, I want to challenge you and I want
33:53
to be an example that you can. You can make the choice to honor
34:00
your loved one by living a vibrant life and it is not a
34:04
betrayal. It is the most loving and
34:08
beautiful tribute to the person that you want to honor by living
34:13
fully, living freely, and celebrating all of the love and
34:18
the joy that you got to experience because of their
34:23
existence. And hold on to that love even
34:27
when it feels like it's outside of your reach.
34:29
To close your eyes, put your hand on your heart and say to
34:33
yourself, I have not lost you. I need to find you in search for
34:38
you differently. Help me to find your presence in
34:40
this moment. And then just be.
34:43
And I promise you, it is a miraculous thing that happens.
34:47
Your heart opens up, your mind quiets, and you can just feel
34:52
them come into the room with you.
34:54
And that love is so present, that is my greatest hope, is
34:58
that people understand that grief is an invitation to expand
35:02
beyond what we have come to think of grief as being.
35:06
It is a beckoning, A beckoning for our consciousness to
35:10
acknowledge that love is ever present.
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We just have to seek it differently.
35:17
Melissa, just thank you for sharing your heart and your
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story with us today. You're very welcome.
35:23
I'm so grateful to have the opportunity to be with your
35:26
community, so thank you very much.
35:28
Yes, and just sharing so openly and honestly, that's what we're
35:32
about here and you know, going through the pain, but also, you
35:37
know, still having your love in different ways now and how
35:41
profound it is just really comes across and I can't thank you
35:45
enough for that. Well, I appreciate the
35:47
opportunity to be here and the work that I do.
35:51
I, I have resources on water safety education and I write a
35:55
weekly blog to support grievers. My website is my, my name,
35:59
melissahall.com and there are tons of resources there.
36:04
I have communities where we, we support each other and I come
36:07
and I talk and, and I share more of my journey.
36:11
So if anyone listening would like to find more support, they
36:14
can certainly find me on social media or going straight to my
36:17
website. And you can also find the links
36:20
to my book Dear Drew, Creating a Life Bigger Than Grief there as
36:23
well. Oh, that's great.
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Thank you, Melissa. Your journey, yes.
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And your journey does remind us. While grief never truly leaves
36:31
us, it can also be a source of strength, transformation and
36:35
compassion. So thank you.
36:37
You're. Very welcome.
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For our listeners, if you are grieving or searching for ways
36:42
to get involved, we want to know who you are and that you're not
36:45
alone. At Cheese and the Rainbows, our
36:47
mission is to ensure that every baby loss matters.
36:49
So if you need support or if you'd like to join us in raising
36:52
awareness and honoring families, please visit
36:54
babylossawareness.org. And until next time, we are
36:57
always with you. We see you, we are you, and
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we'll talk to you soon.