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From Success to Significance w/ Scott Highmark · Something Extra

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  Scott Highmark: I said, okay.
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  Scott Highmark: If you could have if you could have relationships in abundance, legacy
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  Scott Highmark: in abundance, and experiences in abundance, would you trade those three
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  Scott Highmark: for money?
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  Scott Highmark: And I've never met a person that says, if I could have those three
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  Scott Highmark: in abundance and I didn't need money, I would absolutely trade those.
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  Scott Highmark: And yet we have this insatiable appetite for more, more money,
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  Scott Highmark: more stuff.
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  Scott Highmark: Pastor Andy Stanley says our appetites are never fully and finally satisfied.
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  Scott Highmark: We have insatiable appetites in this world, and the world just
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  Scott Highmark: point you to that.
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  Scott Highmark: How do I pursue the things that I really say are the most significant
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  Scott Highmark: things of my life?
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  Scott Highmark: And then build frameworks and process around it to make sure
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  Scott Highmark: I I'm actually living in alignment with that.
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  Lisa Nichols: It takes something a little more to lead with impact.
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  Lisa Nichols: I'm Lisa Nichols, author of Something Extra, and this podcast
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  Lisa Nichols: Joining us today is Scott Highmark, president and principal of Mosaic Family
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  Lisa Nichols: Wealth and the author of the recently released book, The Significance Pyramid.
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  Lisa Nichols: Scott brings decades of leadership experience across finance,
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  Lisa Nichols: broadcasting, and athletics.
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  Lisa Nichols: From his background as a hall of fame division one athlete to his work
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  Lisa Nichols: helping leaders build lasting impact, he offers a unique perspective on
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  Lisa Nichols: achieving true significance in both life and business.
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  Lisa Nichols: Well, welcome, Scott Heimark, to the Something Extra podcast
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  Lisa Nichols: for the second time.
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  Scott Highmark: Well, thank you for having me a second time.
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  Scott Highmark: I I'm I'm delighted to be here, honored.
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  Scott Highmark: I listened to every one of your episodes and inspired by you, so thank
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  Scott Highmark: you for having me back.
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  Lisa Nichols: Oh my goodness.
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  Lisa Nichols: Well, I'm excited.
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  Lisa Nichols: We got some new stuff to talk about.
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  Lisa Nichols: For our listeners, it's been four years since you've been on the podcast.
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  Lisa Nichols: I looked back, and it was twenty twenty two.
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  Lisa Nichols: Yeah.
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  Lisa Nichols: So, but lots has happened.
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  Lisa Nichols: Do you know what what since our last conversation, Scott, what is strange?
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  Lisa Nichols: I know some big things in the family's happening.
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  Lisa Nichols: Right?
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  Lisa Nichols: We haven't
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  Scott Highmark: Yeah.
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  Scott Highmark: We're we're we're launching we're launching kids.
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  Scott Highmark: I've got three daughters, and they're twenty five, twenty two, and
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  Scott Highmark: seventeen.
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  Scott Highmark: So our youngest is a senior in high school.
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  Scott Highmark: So lord willing, in a year, we'll be empty nesters as they say or
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  Scott Highmark: full nesters or whatever they say.
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  Scott Highmark: So but as you know, they're they're they're never people your
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  Scott Highmark: children are never off of your emotional payroll.
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  Scott Highmark: So I'm learning that raising adult children.
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  Scott Highmark: Yeah.
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  Scott Highmark: But, yeah.
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  Scott Highmark: Life life is is busy, but it's full and fun and,
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  Scott Highmark: doing doing a lot of fun stuff, including the book that we'll talk about.
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  Lisa Nichols: Yes.
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  Lisa Nichols: I do wanna talk about that.
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  Lisa Nichols: You know, let me ask you this.
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  Lisa Nichols: Had, the book and I'm just gonna go in and say it.
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  Lisa Nichols: Scott has a book coming out September the fifteenth.
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  Lisa Nichols: Woo woo.
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  Lisa Nichols: So excited for you, Scott.
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  Lisa Nichols: It's called the significance pyramid, and I love the subtitle.
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  Lisa Nichols: Climb beyond success to find lasting significance.
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  Lisa Nichols: And, I love that subtitle.
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  Lisa Nichols: But let me ask you this.
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  Lisa Nichols: Has your definition of success changed?
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  Scott Highmark: You know, it
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  Lisa Nichols: last four years?
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  Scott Highmark: That's a great question.
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  Scott Highmark: I would say the process,
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  Scott Highmark: you know,
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  Scott Highmark: a, it's been really, really good, and you've you've been down that road of
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  Scott Highmark: it forces you it's like teaching a class.
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  Scott Highmark: It forces you to be more succinct and clarify what you've
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  Scott Highmark: been saying probably for years and and be able to say that in a
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  Scott Highmark: way that, and then and then evaluate whether or not you're living that out.
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  Scott Highmark: And so, yeah, I would say it it it helped me define it in
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  Scott Highmark: a way,
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  Scott Highmark: and this is how I'm defining it now.
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  Scott Highmark: It's in the book is is aligning your whole life with
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  Scott Highmark: the way that god made you
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  Scott Highmark: in a meaningful
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  Scott Highmark: pursuit of something beyond yourself.
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  Scott Highmark: And so, like, there's three elements of that.
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  Scott Highmark: It's it's aligning your whole life, living the integrated life, not a
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  Scott Highmark: compartmentalized life, but living living your values in your life and
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  Scott Highmark: professionally, personally aligning that with the way God made us
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  Scott Highmark: distinctly.
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  Scott Highmark: I'm learning more about how God made me and what what my wiring
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  Scott Highmark: is, what my upbringing is, and how I'm supposed to use that.
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  Scott Highmark: And then aligning it and using that in a way that's beyond myself.
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  Scott Highmark: And that's kind of how I would define significance.
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  Scott Highmark: Now how that plays out for every single person is certainly different, but,
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  Scott Highmark: I'm learning all the time, Lisa.
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  Lisa Nichols: Oh, me too.
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  Lisa Nichols: Well, I I hope I never stop learning.
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  Scott Highmark: Yeah.
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  Lisa Nichols: God, I hope I never stop getting curious about
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  Lisa Nichols: how the world works and how I can behave differently and better and be
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  Lisa Nichols: more aligned with how God created me.
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  Lisa Nichols: And and it's fun because the book
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  Lisa Nichols: I know that you tell, like, your personal story and your personal journey in
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  Lisa Nichols: talking about this, but it's like, I think what's gonna be really
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  Lisa Nichols: cool for you I know it's gonna be cool for you because I did
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  Lisa Nichols: not write the book to be a best selling leadership book.
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  Lisa Nichols: There's lots of books out there.
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  Lisa Nichols: Right?
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  Lisa Nichols: But my hope was that if I can just change
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  Lisa Nichols: one person or two person thoughts or
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  Lisa Nichols: help them on their journey, it is so worth it.
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  Lisa Nichols: And it has been that has been the greatest joy for me.
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  Lisa Nichols: Yeah.
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  Lisa Nichols: Having people come up to me and say, what you said in that particular
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  Lisa Nichols: chapter, I've been camping out on it.
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  Lisa Nichols: I've highlighted.
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  Lisa Nichols: I've circle.
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  Lisa Nichols: Wow.
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  Lisa Nichols: What a joy.
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  Lisa Nichols: What a privilege.
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  Scott Highmark: Yeah.
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  Scott Highmark: I mean, you have you've walked out, and that's exactly kind of the posture
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  Scott Highmark: that I've been walking into this with is I don't wanna be a best,
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  Scott Highmark: you know, best selling I I don't really care.
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  Scott Highmark: I I want the book to do well just for the impact, but other
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  Scott Highmark: than that, I'm not trying to be a speaker, but it's just the impact.
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  Scott Highmark: And and god's just been putting this on my heart for ten years, literally,
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  Scott Highmark: for ten years.
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  Scott Highmark: And so finally, it was like two years ago, I was like, are you
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  Scott Highmark: gonna do this?
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  Scott Highmark: Because I think I think some will be blessed by that, by hearing your
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  Scott Highmark: story and how you integrate that.
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  Scott Highmark: And so to your point, that's that's really the whole thesis behind it.
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  Scott Highmark: I don't know how dad will use it, to be honest with you.
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  Scott Highmark: We're we're about, you know, we're just a a few weeks away from the
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  Scott Highmark: launch.
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  Scott Highmark: And however he uses it, he uses it.
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  Scott Highmark: I'm excited.
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  Scott Highmark: I'm excited for that.
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  Scott Highmark: And it but it takes the pressure off of me and probably you of
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  Scott Highmark: thinking, like, we don't have to we're not solving for anything in particular other
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  Scott Highmark: than trying to, you know, find significance in our own life and helping other
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  Scott Highmark: people on their journey as well.
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  Lisa Nichols: Yes.
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  Lisa Nichols: Absolutely.
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  Lisa Nichols: Yeah.
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  Lisa Nichols: I've been exactly the same way and just really I said, okay.
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  Lisa Nichols: God, you called me to write the book.
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  Lisa Nichols: I've written the book.
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  Lisa Nichols: I'm gonna do my part what I can to to for the exposure,
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  Lisa Nichols: but how you wanna use it.
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  Lisa Nichols: I mean, that's up to you.
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  Lisa Nichols: And, yeah, it's just been really it's been surprising to me,
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  Lisa Nichols: though, the people that have come up and said, wow.
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  Lisa Nichols: That really touched and it's something different for everybody.
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  Scott Highmark: Ain't ain't that funny?
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  Scott Highmark: Because you get so far in the weeds of writing it.
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  Scott Highmark: Yeah.
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  Scott Highmark: You almost can't even tell anymore what's gonna be helpful until you hear
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  Scott Highmark: that feedback.
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  Scott Highmark: Right?
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  Lisa Nichols: Exactly.
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  Lisa Nichols: Yeah.
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  Lisa Nichols: And it's just yes.
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  Lisa Nichols: It's it's nice to have that affirmation.
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  Lisa Nichols: Something you said though in the beginning, Scott, that I wanna kinda go back
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  Lisa Nichols: to.
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  Lisa Nichols: You said that it really caused you to get clear
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  Lisa Nichols: on the message and then making sure
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  Lisa Nichols: those principles and the things that you are outlining in the book that you're
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  Lisa Nichols: living in.
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  Scott Highmark: Yes.
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  Lisa Nichols: And it does because you cannot I mean, that that is,
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  Lisa Nichols: trust goes out the window when you've got the talk but not the walk.
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  Scott Highmark: Yes.
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  Scott Highmark: Yeah.
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  Scott Highmark: And and we we we we, totally a hundred percent agree with that.
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  Scott Highmark: And then at the same time, also, it's the and, and I don't do
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  Scott Highmark: it well all the time.
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  Scott Highmark: You know?
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  Scott Highmark: And I fail every single day.
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  Scott Highmark: And
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  Lisa Nichols: Amen.
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  Lisa Nichols: And
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  Scott Highmark: that's okay.
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  Scott Highmark: That's okay.
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  Scott Highmark: But it gives me something aspirationally to move towards, to hold
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  Scott Highmark: myself accountable to, to hold have others hold me accountable to, have people
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  Scott Highmark: in my life that say, hey.
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  Scott Highmark: You say this.
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  Scott Highmark: Do the words and the pictures of your life match?
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  Scott Highmark: I know you have people in your life.
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  Scott Highmark: I wanna have people in my life that that kind of make sure that
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  Scott Highmark: the words and pictures match.
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  Scott Highmark: So, yeah, it's been fun to to learn that, to play that out, to
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  Scott Highmark: build I'm a big framework person.
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  Scott Highmark: It helps me to have, like, frameworks and handles on things like an idea
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  Scott Highmark: and then how am I gonna actualize that, operationalize it.
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  Scott Highmark: So that's part of what I was trying to do in the book is
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  Scott Highmark: give people handles to say, okay.
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  Scott Highmark: Understand the idea.
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  Scott Highmark: Now how can I actually go live that out?
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  Scott Highmark: Mhmm.
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  Scott Highmark: And so first for myself, but then hopefully for others as well.
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  Lisa Nichols: Yeah.
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  Lisa Nichols: So good.
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  Lisa Nichols: So good.
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  Lisa Nichols: Well, so, you know, a lot of people think, like, success and
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  Lisa Nichols: significance, a lot of people look at those as,
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  Lisa Nichols: synonyms almost.
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  Lisa Nichols: Yeah.
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  Lisa Nichols: But, you know, how what do you think the difference is?
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  Lisa Nichols: What do you think the difference is?
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  Lisa Nichols: And
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  Scott Highmark: Yeah.
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  Scott Highmark: You know, couple things.
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  Scott Highmark: I've been inspired by many, many books, years included.
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  Scott Highmark: Two two books, rang home with me that in
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  Scott Highmark: my book's a little bit of an homage to a couple books.
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  Scott Highmark: The halftime book by Bob Buford, he wrote thirty years ago and the whole
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  Scott Highmark: success to significance and that that journey, actually kinda gave
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  Scott Highmark: me language to what I was thinking a long twenty years ago.
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  Scott Highmark: And then,
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  Scott Highmark: just thinking around, my whole life, Lisa, I was being an athlete, being a
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  Scott Highmark: basketball player, John Wooden's pyramid of success.
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  Scott Highmark: I don't know if you're familiar with that.
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  Lisa Nichols: I love John Wooden.
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  Scott Highmark: John Wooden.
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  Scott Highmark: Right?
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  Scott Highmark: The arguably
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  Lisa Nichols: Nurse, Scott, in case they've not read Yeah.
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  Lisa Nichols: John's books.
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  Scott Highmark: Yeah.
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  Scott Highmark: John John Wooden arguably well, not arguably.
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  Scott Highmark: The best basketball coach of all time.
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  Scott Highmark: Maybe the best coach of all time.
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  Scott Highmark: Won ten NCAA championships at UCLA in the in the sixties and seventies
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  Scott Highmark: and wrote a bunch of books and and, very, very impactful.
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  Scott Highmark: And he had a framework called the Wooden's pyramid of success.
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  Scott Highmark: In my whole life, every coach that I played for would always laminate
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  Scott Highmark: John Wooden's Pyramid of Success.
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  Scott Highmark: If you don't know what it is, Google it folks.
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  Scott Highmark: It'll make a lot of sense.
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  Scott Highmark: And so John Wooden's Pyramid of Success had sixteen core attributes
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  Scott Highmark: values that would lead you towards a significant life or success
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  Scott Highmark: success at the top of the pyramid.
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  Scott Highmark: And they were all things like grit, perseverance, loyalty, friendship,
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  Scott Highmark: on and on.
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  Scott Highmark: And at the top of the pyramid was, a word
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  Scott Highmark: that was competitive greatness.
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  Scott Highmark: And he said, if you have all these character traits, the top of the
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  Scott Highmark: pyramid of John Woods' pyramid of success was competitive greatness.
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  Scott Highmark: And I that my whole life, I think there's a lot of validity to
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  Scott Highmark: what he wrote and that was a very powerful concept when he when he
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  Scott Highmark: wrote it.
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  Scott Highmark: But it occurred to me, Lisa, that you and I have met a lot
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  Scott Highmark: of people in our life, personal professional life, that have
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  Scott Highmark: met the definition of competitive greatness.
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  Scott Highmark: And by the way, here's how he defined it.
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  Scott Highmark: Is being at your best when your best is required.
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  Scott Highmark: That's good.
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  Scott Highmark: I wanna be at my best when my best is required.
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  Scott Highmark: But if we're defining success as that, I've met a lot of people in
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  Scott Highmark: my life that have done all of that as the world would define
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  Scott Highmark: success and they're still very sad, empty,
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  Scott Highmark: lonely, unsatisfied.
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  Lisa Nichols: Right.
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  Scott Highmark: Hundred percent.
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  Scott Highmark: And so the my idea was I want to build a framework on
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  Scott Highmark: top of that or alongside of that to say that's that's all good.
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  Scott Highmark: Yes.
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  Scott Highmark: We wanna allocate our time, our our talent, and our treasure.
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  Scott Highmark: That's stewardship.
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  Scott Highmark: And we wanna do that in alignment with our values.
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  Scott Highmark: That's symmetry.
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  Scott Highmark: And then we wanna do that in a meaningful pursuit.
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  Scott Highmark: You could argue that success of aligning my time, talent, treasures
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  Scott Highmark: with my values, the way God made me in a meaningful pursuit,
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  Scott Highmark: but what's missing is the top of the pyramid, which is significance.
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  Scott Highmark: If you're not doing that for something outside of yourself, you're missing
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  Scott Highmark: it.
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  Lisa Nichols: Yes.
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  Lisa Nichols: You're
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  Scott Highmark: missing it.
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  Scott Highmark: If there's not a higher pursuit, if it's not if it's all about you,
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  Scott Highmark: you're gonna have this this you know, Pascal talks about everybody has a god
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  Scott Highmark: shaped vacuum in their in their heart, and they we fill it with all
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  Scott Highmark: this stuff.
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  Scott Highmark: And if and if if we don't find something that's outside of ourself, we're
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  Scott Highmark: gonna be wanting.
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  Scott Highmark: And you see it in athletes, business leaders, executives all the
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  Scott Highmark: time, making very bad decisions because they can't fill that gap, because they haven't
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  Scott Highmark: figured out that mountain to significance, they stopped at success.
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  Scott Highmark: So to me, it's like the next level.
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  Lisa Nichols: Yeah.
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  Lisa Nichols: I love that.
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  Lisa Nichols: I love that.
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  Lisa Nichols: Well yeah.
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  Lisa Nichols: I mean and you just answered that.
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  Lisa Nichols: Why do so many high achievers reach that pinnacle, but then they're yet
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  Lisa Nichols: they're unfulfilled?
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  Lisa Nichols: And I think it's because they don't have something bigger than themselves,
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  Lisa Nichols: god.
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  Lisa Nichols: And I mean, not to you know, there's there's a verse in the bible
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  Lisa Nichols: that said it's more blessed to give than receive.
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  Lisa Nichols: I mean, there's so much about preferring others over yourself.
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  Lisa Nichols: If you are just trying to optimize you,
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  Lisa Nichols: I mean, that's just I mean, number one, there's no legacy there.
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  Scott Highmark: Yes.
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  Lisa Nichols: Really, no legacy.
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  Scott Highmark: No.
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  Scott Highmark: And and that's that's another part of the book is the framework of thinking
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  Scott Highmark: about about your wealth beyond just your financial assets.
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  Scott Highmark: So certainly financial assets are part of your wealth, but you also have relationship
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  Scott Highmark: assets.
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  Scott Highmark: You have legacy assets that you want to not just what you wanna leave
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  Scott Highmark: behind, but what you want.
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  Scott Highmark: Like, Mark Green at Hobby Lobby talks about what do you wanna put in
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  Scott Highmark: motion beyond your yourself.
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  Scott Highmark: You have legacy assets, and then you have, experiences.
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  Scott Highmark: And you have experienced assets that you wanna have in this lifetime.
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  Scott Highmark: And the integration of those, that's really what true wealth is.
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  Scott Highmark: Is how do you integrate and allocate all of the wealth in your life?
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  Scott Highmark: And as I explained that to people from time to time, I said, okay.
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  Scott Highmark: If you could have if you could have relationships in abundance, legacy
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  Scott Highmark: in abundance, and experiences in abundance, would you trade those three
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  Scott Highmark: for money?
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  Scott Highmark: And I've never met a person that says, if I could have those three
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  Scott Highmark: in abundance and I didn't need money, I would absolutely trade those.
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  Scott Highmark: Yeah.
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  Scott Highmark: And yet we have this insatiable appetite for more, more money,
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  Scott Highmark: more stuff.
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  Scott Highmark: Pastor Andy Stanley says our appetites are never fully and finally satisfied.
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  Scott Highmark: We have insatiable appetites in this world, and the world just
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  Scott Highmark: pointed to that.
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  Scott Highmark: And so it just it just for me, it's just a I'm preaching to
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  Scott Highmark: myself of, like, how do I take a step back?
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  Scott Highmark: How do I pursue the things that I really say are the most significant
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  Scott Highmark: things of my life?
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  Scott Highmark: And then build frameworks and process around it to make sure
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  Scott Highmark: I I'm actually living in alignment with that.
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  Scott Highmark: So more than you wanted me to say, but yes.
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  Lisa Nichols: No.
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  Lisa Nichols: No.
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  Lisa Nichols: No.
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  Lisa Nichols: You you said it perfectly.
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  Lisa Nichols: That's I mean, one hundred percent.
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  Lisa Nichols: One hundred percent.
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  Lisa Nichols: Let me ask you.
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  Lisa Nichols: Now you've come to this point, and we're you just said I'm preaching to
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  Lisa Nichols: myself.
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  Lisa Nichols: Alright?
• 15:14
  Lisa Nichols: I'm always saying to people, like, if I'm teaching something, I'm like, I'm eating
• 15:18
  Lisa Nichols: what God is teaching me at the time.
• 15:21
  Lisa Nichols: I'm just I'm I'm I'm telling you what I'm eating.
• 15:24
  Lisa Nichols: Right?
• 15:25
  Scott Highmark: Yep.
• 15:26
  Lisa Nichols: But for you, Scott, because you were yeah.
• 15:29
  Lisa Nichols: I think you were number five in the history of SLU,
• 15:34
  Lisa Nichols: like, on points.
• 15:34
  Lisa Nichols: I know you like, you were a big three pointer.
• 15:37
  Lisa Nichols: I mean, you're very highly acclaimed.
• 15:39
  Lisa Nichols: You're in the hall of fame,
• 15:42
  Lisa Nichols: for SLU and maybe others.
• 15:43
  Lisa Nichols: I don't know.
• 15:44
  Lisa Nichols: I'm very, very accomplished.
• 15:46
  Lisa Nichols: But was there a moment in your life, Scott, where this
• 15:50
  Lisa Nichols: clicked in where you realized that success?
• 15:54
  Lisa Nichols: Was there a story or a moment for you where you're like, that's not
• 15:59
  Lisa Nichols: I need to be pursuing something much greater than myself and
• 16:03
  Lisa Nichols: just winning championships.
• 16:05
  Scott Highmark: Yeah.
• 16:05
  Scott Highmark: It's been a it's been a journey for sure, Lisa.
• 16:08
  Scott Highmark: I wouldn't say there's been one moment, but one of one of the things
• 16:11
  Scott Highmark: that that shaped me early on is my dad was a, Ralston Purina,
• 16:15
  Scott Highmark: corporate executive, and we moved twelve times in the first thirteen years of my
• 16:20
  Scott Highmark: life.
• 16:20
  Scott Highmark: And so we moved we were like almost military.
• 16:23
  Scott Highmark: Every single year, we would move.
• 16:24
  Scott Highmark: And the only way I knew how to gain acceptance
• 16:29
  Scott Highmark: in my new community in second, third, fourth, fifth grade was the
• 16:33
  Scott Highmark: playground.
• 16:34
  Scott Highmark: It was the playground.
• 16:35
  Scott Highmark: And for both little boys, it's like you go to the playground and every
• 16:37
  Scott Highmark: it's like doctor Dobson said, everybody's looking at each other and they're just saying,
• 16:41
  Scott Highmark: how do I stack up?
• 16:42
  Scott Highmark: And and so for me, the playground in elementary school and junior
• 16:47
  Scott Highmark: high was where I had to figure out how to stack up.
• 16:50
  Scott Highmark: And just by God's divine grace and mercy, he made me
• 16:54
  Scott Highmark: tall and mildly athletic.
• 16:56
  Scott Highmark: And so I gained acceptance really quickly because I could play
• 17:00
  Scott Highmark: sports and do well at recess.
• 17:02
  Scott Highmark: And so the boys were like, yeah.
• 17:03
  Scott Highmark: We'll take you.
• 17:04
  Scott Highmark: You're in.
• 17:06
  Scott Highmark: But that that was the upside of it.
• 17:07
  Scott Highmark: The downside of it, it created this unhealthy,
• 17:11
  Scott Highmark: theology of, like, well, I'm a winner and this is this
• 17:15
  Scott Highmark: is what I did and I achieved this.
• 17:17
  Scott Highmark: And, oh, by the way, this is the ticket to gain acceptance.
• 17:21
  Scott Highmark: And there's no end in that.
• 17:23
  Scott Highmark: So you just you just keep doing more and more of it and you
• 17:26
  Scott Highmark: get more and more acceptance.
• 17:28
  Scott Highmark: And, so that created a very unhealthy
• 17:32
  Scott Highmark: peace in me until I got to college and had a couple of rough
• 17:36
  Scott Highmark: years in college where my theology of winners and losers, my
• 17:40
  Scott Highmark: whole life I'd been a winner and, you know, kinda checked all the boxes,
• 17:43
  Scott Highmark: one state championship, all state, you know, blah blah blah division one scholarship.
• 17:47
  Scott Highmark: And then my life kinda came crashing down.
• 17:50
  Scott Highmark: And, I was actually at Cannecock camp and and Joe White,
• 17:55
  Scott Highmark: you know, challenged me.
• 17:56
  Scott Highmark: And he basically said, are you gonna be all in or all out on
• 17:59
  Scott Highmark: this whole Christian thing?
• 18:01
  Scott Highmark: He just said, you're kind of half in half out.
• 18:04
  Scott Highmark: And, that was a point in time.
• 18:06
  Scott Highmark: You know, unfortunately, that's how God's worked in my life is through generally through
• 18:09
  Scott Highmark: adversity.
• 18:10
  Scott Highmark: And that's how he gets my attention because when I think I'm doing well,
• 18:14
  Scott Highmark: I I it's hard to learn when you're winning.
• 18:16
  Scott Highmark: A lot of coaches say that.
• 18:17
  Scott Highmark: Like, Nick Saban used to say that.
• 18:18
  Scott Highmark: The hardest thing to do is to learn while you're winning.
• 18:21
  Scott Highmark: You actually need to lose some games.
• 18:22
  Scott Highmark: And I think God is part of God's theology.
• 18:26
  Scott Highmark: But just having some of those moments in my life where I thought if
• 18:30
  Scott Highmark: the inputs were a following, the output would be what I wanted and they
• 18:34
  Scott Highmark: weren't.
• 18:35
  Scott Highmark: Whether it's family, professionally, athletically,
• 18:39
  Scott Highmark: and just over time, just coming to realize, like, there's no formula.
• 18:43
  Scott Highmark: And then until I really lay down my life and surrender it to something
• 18:46
  Scott Highmark: beyond myself, I'm gonna be a restless mess a
• 18:50
  Scott Highmark: restless mess, to be honest with you.
• 18:52
  Scott Highmark: And I still am restless at times.
• 18:54
  Scott Highmark: Did you
• 18:54
  Lisa Nichols: hear that?
• 18:54
  Scott Highmark: At times, I'm like, why am I so restless?
• 18:57
  Scott Highmark: I have so many blessings in my life and yet I'm still restless.
• 19:00
  Scott Highmark: And so I I share all that with you because it's it hasn't been
• 19:04
  Scott Highmark: like one moment, but it's been a series of moments.
• 19:06
  Scott Highmark: And most of those moments are periods of suffering
• 19:10
  Scott Highmark: it through some sort of trial or perseverance
• 19:13
  Scott Highmark: where I've really come to discover what life is really about in trying
• 19:17
  Scott Highmark: to pursue significance.
• 19:19
  Lisa Nichols: Mhmm.
• 19:20
  Lisa Nichols: As god, as you're talking, I'm just thinking there's gonna be so many people
• 19:23
  Lisa Nichols: that relate to that.
• 19:25
  Lisa Nichols: So many people that relate to that.
• 19:26
  Lisa Nichols: I relate to that.
• 19:28
  Lisa Nichols: I I'm very blessed in my life, but this restlessness when you're
• 19:32
  Lisa Nichols: like, oh, it's about achievement and Yeah.
• 19:35
  Lisa Nichols: Leaving the next thing.
• 19:36
  Lisa Nichols: I mean, it's,
• 19:38
  Lisa Nichols: there's a lot of people that wrestle with art, myself included.
• 19:42
  Lisa Nichols: And so I I just think but at the end of the day,
• 19:49
  Lisa Nichols: yeah, that's why I always say your identity cannot be rooted
• 19:53
  Lisa Nichols: in your title
• 19:55
  Scott Highmark: Yep.
• 19:55
  Lisa Nichols: Or the corner office or this achievement or that achievement
• 19:59
  Lisa Nichols: or people.
• 20:01
  Lisa Nichols: Yeah.
• 20:01
  Lisa Nichols: I see a lot of people root their identity and their children.
• 20:04
  Lisa Nichols: Yep.
• 20:05
  Lisa Nichols: Well, guess what?
• 20:06
  Lisa Nichols: Children,
• 20:07
  Lisa Nichols: you know, grow up and all of a sudden, you're an infant mom.
• 20:11
  Lisa Nichols: Teacher.
• 20:11
  Lisa Nichols: Yep.
• 20:12
  Lisa Nichols: And they move on.
• 20:13
  Lisa Nichols: They get their wings and they you know, not that they ever go away,
• 20:16
  Lisa Nichols: but, you know, your your world changes.
• 20:18
  Lisa Nichols: And, boy, I mean, everything is shifting sand.
• 20:22
  Scott Highmark: Totally.
• 20:23
  Scott Highmark: And I'll I'll add another one in there that that seems healthy, but being
• 20:27
  Scott Highmark: in a a a people pleaser, like, wanting people's,
• 20:32
  Scott Highmark: approval can be an addiction, if you will.
• 20:36
  Lisa Nichols: Yeah.
• 20:36
  Lisa Nichols: And you
• 20:36
  Scott Highmark: can you can organize your life to get applause from people
• 20:41
  Scott Highmark: and not even realize it.
• 20:42
  Scott Highmark: And I've done that at times.
• 20:43
  Scott Highmark: Like, I want affirmation.
• 20:45
  Scott Highmark: I want people to tell me I'm doing well and to what end?
• 20:49
  Scott Highmark: And what is what is the cost?
• 20:51
  Scott Highmark: Like, what does all this success cost you?
• 20:54
  Scott Highmark: And that that's the question I ask in the book.
• 20:56
  Scott Highmark: It's like, what does all the success cost you?
• 20:58
  Lisa Nichols: Mhmm.
• 20:59
  Scott Highmark: And is that trade worth it?
• 21:00
  Scott Highmark: I'll just give you an example.
• 21:01
  Scott Highmark: I, you know,
• 21:04
  Scott Highmark: super diligent for fifteen years.
• 21:06
  Scott Highmark: I went to the gym, worked out every morning with a buddy for fifteen
• 21:09
  Scott Highmark: years, and guess what I missed?
• 21:11
  Scott Highmark: I missed the mornings with my daughters before school
• 21:16
  Scott Highmark: because I was so worried about disappointing my
• 21:20
  Scott Highmark: buddy.
• 21:20
  Scott Highmark: I was so caught up in making sure that I got my workout in.
• 21:24
  Lisa Nichols: Mhmm.
• 21:24
  Lisa Nichols: And, again,
• 21:25
  Scott Highmark: it sounds like a silly thing.
• 21:26
  Scott Highmark: I missed fifteen years of being able to see my children before school
• 21:30
  Scott Highmark: because I was unconscious to what was really important in the moments
• 21:35
  Scott Highmark: they were now they're gone.
• 21:36
  Scott Highmark: I don't have that opportunity anymore.
• 21:38
  Lisa Nichols: Yeah.
• 21:38
  Scott Highmark: And I have regret.
• 21:39
  Scott Highmark: I mean, it's just all those little micro decisions that we're making every single
• 21:43
  Scott Highmark: day that we might even be unconscious to that we're gonna look back and
• 21:47
  Scott Highmark: go, wow.
• 21:47
  Scott Highmark: That was a bad trade.
• 21:49
  Scott Highmark: I could have figured out a different way to do that.
• 21:51
  Scott Highmark: Yeah.
• 21:52
  Scott Highmark: That's a little example.
• 21:53
  Lisa Nichols: Oh, and that's a great example, Scott.
• 21:56
  Lisa Nichols: It's hard, though.
• 21:57
  Lisa Nichols: It's hard because you're like, oh, I know I need to take care of
• 22:00
  Lisa Nichols: my health.
• 22:00
  Scott Highmark: Yeah.
• 22:01
  Scott Highmark: Right.
• 22:02
  Lisa Nichols: I mean, we talk about that.
• 22:03
  Lisa Nichols: You know?
• 22:04
  Lisa Nichols: A lot of women, especially, I think, you know, give give give give the
• 22:08
  Lisa Nichols: event.
• 22:08
  Lisa Nichols: Like, you know, you can't I mean, I say it, but then sometimes I
• 22:12
  Lisa Nichols: sacrifice too.
• 22:13
  Lisa Nichols: You know?
• 22:13
  Lisa Nichols: I'm not I'm not like I'm like, you can't pour from an inch cup.
• 22:16
  Lisa Nichols: The best thing you can do is be the best version of you for
• 22:18
  Lisa Nichols: your family and be healthy.
• 22:20
  Scott Highmark: That's right.
• 22:20
  Lisa Nichols: Right?
• 22:21
  Lisa Nichols: So it's just it's hard.
• 22:23
  Lisa Nichols: Yeah.
• 22:24
  Lisa Nichols: And and for me, and I'm just gonna say it out loud, I can't
• 22:27
  Lisa Nichols: make those decisions on my own.
• 22:29
  Lisa Nichols: I mean, I'm not smart enough.
• 22:31
  Lisa Nichols: That's why I need to that's why I need to, you know,
• 22:36
  Lisa Nichols: lean into a higher power.
• 22:37
  Lisa Nichols: I need to lean into God and just say, what is it that I
• 22:41
  Lisa Nichols: should be doing right now?
• 22:43
  Lisa Nichols: Right?
• 22:43
  Lisa Nichols: Well, because it's hard.
• 22:44
  Lisa Nichols: It is that's like no mistake about it.
• 22:47
  Lisa Nichols: This is not an easy thing.
• 22:49
  Scott Highmark: Yeah.
• 22:49
  Scott Highmark: And and my my team at Mosaic makes fun of me because they're like
• 22:53
  Scott Highmark: they're like, you're the most overcoached man in America and that, like like, you
• 22:57
  Scott Highmark: have personal trainer, you have an executive coach, you have a marriage coach.
• 23:00
  Scott Highmark: Like, I I in addition to understanding and having quieting
• 23:04
  Scott Highmark: my heart so I can listen to what God is actually saying to me,
• 23:07
  Scott Highmark: which is hard for me to be still, what you're saying, is I also
• 23:11
  Scott Highmark: need people in my life that can call things out, that that are transparent,
• 23:16
  Scott Highmark: that are what I call real friends, not deal friends that are, like, there's
• 23:20
  Scott Highmark: nothing for them to get for me or me from them, and they can
• 23:24
  Scott Highmark: just speak truth into me.
• 23:25
  Scott Highmark: Yeah.
• 23:25
  Scott Highmark: And I know that I have blind spots, but I don't know what they
• 23:29
  Scott Highmark: are.
• 23:29
  Scott Highmark: That's why they call them blind spots.
• 23:31
  Scott Highmark: Yeah.
• 23:31
  Scott Highmark: Of course.
• 23:31
  Scott Highmark: And so that's another piece of it for me is is making sure that
• 23:35
  Scott Highmark: there's people in my life can can make sure, like, hey.
• 23:38
  Scott Highmark: You say these things are important, but this is what I this is what
• 23:41
  Scott Highmark: I'm observing right now.
• 23:43
  Scott Highmark: And can I be coachable and have enough humility to listen to that?
• 23:46
  Lisa Nichols: Well,
• 23:48
  Lisa Nichols: that that's a mic drop right there.
• 23:51
  Lisa Nichols: That's a mic drop.
• 23:52
  Lisa Nichols: Yeah.
• 23:52
  Lisa Nichols: I mean and there may be listeners out there that don't have
• 23:57
  Lisa Nichols: a community around them and people that are not what I call bobbleheads.
• 24:01
  Lisa Nichols: Yep.
• 24:02
  Lisa Nichols: You don't need all bobbleheads.
• 24:04
  Lisa Nichols: Oh, yeah.
• 24:04
  Lisa Nichols: Yeah.
• 24:04
  Lisa Nichols: You know, you need those people who will speak the truth and love.
• 24:08
  Lisa Nichols: You know?
• 24:08
  Lisa Nichols: And and I don't know if you have experienced this, but a lot of
• 24:12
  Lisa Nichols: times, it's my family.
• 24:13
  Scott Highmark: Yep.
• 24:13
  Lisa Nichols: Yeah.
• 24:14
  Lisa Nichols: I'll I'll tell you a really quick story.
• 24:17
  Lisa Nichols: And when you're building a business, right, as you have with Mosaic,
• 24:22
  Lisa Nichols: as we have with Technology Partners, there there's just a,
• 24:26
  Lisa Nichols: a lot of expectations that come around that.
• 24:29
  Lisa Nichols: Right, Scott?
• 24:30
  Lisa Nichols: And I remember one week, and this was several years ago,
• 24:34
  Lisa Nichols: but, you know, our grandson has lived with us since he was a baby.
• 24:39
  Lisa Nichols: We've been it's just been such a great great joy.
• 24:41
  Lisa Nichols: You know?
• 24:42
  Lisa Nichols: He he, he and my my middle daughter.
• 24:46
  Lisa Nichols: And, yeah, I there had been, like, three nights in a row where I
• 24:50
  Lisa Nichols: had, like, you know, some sort of networking event this night.
• 24:54
  Lisa Nichols: Tuesday night, it was a friend's, parent had passed away,
• 24:58
  Lisa Nichols: and I was at the wake for that.
• 25:00
  Lisa Nichols: It was, like, three nights in a row.
• 25:02
  Lisa Nichols: And Sawyer said to me,
• 25:06
  Lisa Nichols: I wanted to do some art last night, and you weren't here.
• 25:12
  Lisa Nichols: Mhmm.
• 25:12
  Lisa Nichols: And I was like, wow.
• 25:15
  Lisa Nichols: You know, I mean, he was wanting to spend time with me
• 25:19
  Lisa Nichols: doing this art, and I had chosen other people
• 25:22
  Scott Highmark: Yeah.
• 25:23
  Scott Highmark: Over them.
• 25:24
  Scott Highmark: Yeah.
• 25:24
  Lisa Nichols: And, Greg and I tried to put some principles in
• 25:28
  Lisa Nichols: play to say, okay.
• 25:30
  Lisa Nichols: We're not gonna we're only gonna do one outside event a
• 25:34
  Lisa Nichols: week Yep.
• 25:35
  Lisa Nichols: In the evenings.
• 25:36
  Lisa Nichols: You know?
• 25:36
  Lisa Nichols: I mean, we've broken that a few times, but we try I mean, to
• 25:39
  Lisa Nichols: your point earlier, you know, Scott, you're talking about putting
• 25:43
  Lisa Nichols: systems in place and putting frameworks in place.
• 25:46
  Lisa Nichols: I think that's how we protect that is to put those things
• 25:50
  Lisa Nichols: in place and, you know, we're gonna mess up sometimes.
• 25:53
  Lisa Nichols: But
• 25:54
  Scott Highmark: No.
• 25:54
  Scott Highmark: You're a hundred percent right, and nobody knows it better than our family.
• 25:57
  Scott Highmark: I mean, because they see it all day.
• 25:59
  Scott Highmark: No.
• 26:00
  Scott Highmark: My wife always kids me.
• 26:01
  Scott Highmark: She looks at me sometime to time, and she'll be like, what's buzzing in
• 26:04
  Scott Highmark: your head?
• 26:05
  Scott Highmark: Because I know you're talking to me right now, but I can tell there's,
• 26:08
  Scott Highmark: like, three or four things going.
• 26:09
  Scott Highmark: You know?
• 26:09
  Scott Highmark: I I can't she's been married to me for thirty years.
• 26:12
  Scott Highmark: She knows she knows me.
• 26:14
  Lisa Nichols: Right.
• 26:14
  Scott Highmark: And I'm not giving her my best.
• 26:16
  Scott Highmark: She she knows it.
• 26:17
  Scott Highmark: And so that's part also part of the book.
• 26:20
  Scott Highmark: What I wanted to create is some frameworks and there's actually a significance assessment
• 26:24
  Scott Highmark: tool so that people can take a tool, a free tool, and just just
• 26:28
  Scott Highmark: do some self assessment.
• 26:29
  Scott Highmark: Right?
• 26:29
  Scott Highmark: Just say say, how am I doing in these areas?
• 26:31
  Scott Highmark: And then if it's like, hey.
• 26:32
  Scott Highmark: I'm a little struggle in this area.
• 26:33
  Scott Highmark: Maybe here's a here's a here's a a video, a podcast, whatever.
• 26:37
  Scott Highmark: Something to listen to to maybe give Jot some new ideas
• 26:42
  Scott Highmark: in in there.
• 26:42
  Scott Highmark: But I wanted to I wanted to create something where people can do some
• 26:45
  Scott Highmark: self reflection and self assessment and set because I just what
• 26:50
  Scott Highmark: what breaks my heart is when very capable,
• 26:54
  Scott Highmark: high performing people
• 26:56
  Scott Highmark: say that certain things are the most important in their life, usually their family,
• 27:00
  Scott Highmark: their children, their marriage, and yet their life isn't consistent with it.
• 27:04
  Scott Highmark: And so they're very capable, but they're
• 27:08
  Scott Highmark: not matching up with their value system.
• 27:11
  Scott Highmark: And it breaks my heart because and you and I, we've both seen it,
• 27:15
  Scott Highmark: and it doesn't end well.
• 27:16
  Scott Highmark: In fact, there's a stat, like, that says the ten richest man and the
• 27:20
  Scott Highmark: men in the world have been divorced fourteen times.
• 27:24
  Scott Highmark: So you can do the math.
• 27:26
  Scott Highmark: So some of them have divorced couple times.
• 27:28
  Scott Highmark: Again, no judgment.
• 27:30
  Scott Highmark: A lot of to that, but but it's a but it's a fact.
• 27:34
  Scott Highmark: And, you know, sixty four percent of Americans, their greatest fear in life is
• 27:38
  Scott Highmark: not their greatest fear is not death itself.
• 27:40
  Scott Highmark: It's running out of money.
• 27:42
  Scott Highmark: And to an irrational
• 27:45
  Scott Highmark: point, to an irrational point.
• 27:47
  Scott Highmark: And so it's like, where are those idols in our life that
• 27:51
  Scott Highmark: we all have them, where we're running after it.
• 27:54
  Scott Highmark: I I call it running through the tape, like, in a track meet.
• 27:56
  Scott Highmark: You know, there's a tape and whoever hits first runs through the tape.
• 27:59
  Scott Highmark: Yeah.
• 27:59
  Scott Highmark: And I see it all the time with with clients is they've hit the
• 28:02
  Scott Highmark: tape and they are, like, sprinting I mean, sprinting past the tape.
• 28:07
  Scott Highmark: And sometimes our job is to say, why are you sprinting so hard?
• 28:10
  Scott Highmark: Why are you still running so hard?
• 28:12
  Scott Highmark: After that thing that you said you would be good with and now you're
• 28:15
  Scott Highmark: not good.
• 28:16
  Scott Highmark: And so, again, it's just kind of having people process a system, self
• 28:20
  Scott Highmark: reflection.
• 28:22
  Scott Highmark: It's all of that.
• 28:22
  Scott Highmark: It's I because I don't think anybody to your point, I don't think anybody
• 28:25
  Scott Highmark: can do it on their own and is self aware enough No.
• 28:28
  Scott Highmark: To truly live an aligned significant life
• 28:31
  Lisa Nichols: Yeah.
• 28:32
  Scott Highmark: In the way you would want to.
• 28:33
  Lisa Nichols: Agreed.
• 28:34
  Lisa Nichols: Well, Scott, I got I got more questions for you, but we do need
• 28:37
  Lisa Nichols: to take a quick break, and we'll be right back with Scott Highmark, my
• 28:41
  Lisa Nichols: dear friend, on the Something Extra podcast.
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  Lisa Nichols: Welcome back, everyone, to the Something Extra podcast with Scott Highmark.
• 29:18
  Lisa Nichols: We have been talking I'm so excited about your book, Scott.
• 29:22
  Lisa Nichols: I really do believe in my heart it's gonna help a lot of people,
• 29:25
  Lisa Nichols: including me.
• 29:27
  Lisa Nichols: So I can I cannot wait?
• 29:31
  Lisa Nichols: Listeners, go go out.
• 29:33
  Lisa Nichols: It launches on September the fifteenth.
• 29:35
  Lisa Nichols: I'm assuming that it'll be on Amazon and in the bookstores
• 29:40
  Lisa Nichols: and all the all the places.
• 29:42
  Lisa Nichols: Right, Scott?
• 29:42
  Scott Highmark: Indeed.
• 29:43
  Scott Highmark: Yes, ma'am.
• 29:44
  Lisa Nichols: That's awesome.
• 29:46
  Lisa Nichols: Alright.
• 29:47
  Lisa Nichols: Well, let me if somebody remembers one lesson from your book,
• 29:51
  Lisa Nichols: Scott, what would you hope that it would be?
• 29:54
  Scott Highmark: That's a great question.
• 29:57
  Scott Highmark: I think I would say you know, if you think about the word significance,
• 30:01
  Scott Highmark: it's actually made up of two pieces in Latin.
• 30:05
  Scott Highmark: They don't have to remember the Latin, but it's it's signum and fasare.
• 30:09
  Scott Highmark: And literally, it means,
• 30:12
  Scott Highmark: a sign that's pointing to something of meaning.
• 30:15
  Scott Highmark: That's what significance means.
• 30:17
  Scott Highmark: So, like, you think about signify.
• 30:18
  Scott Highmark: Like, what is your what is what is what is that signify?
• 30:20
  Scott Highmark: Or what's that sign?
• 30:21
  Scott Highmark: The sign is giving you direction.
• 30:23
  Scott Highmark: So the question, there's not really an answer, but it's more of like, what
• 30:26
  Scott Highmark: is your life pointing to?
• 30:28
  Scott Highmark: What what is the sign that your life is pointing to?
• 30:32
  Scott Highmark: And you think about I think about you you think the older you get,
• 30:35
  Scott Highmark: I think more about my kids, my grandkids, hopefully, one day.
• 30:40
  Scott Highmark: What are they gonna say my life pointed to?
• 30:43
  Scott Highmark: And,
• 30:45
  Scott Highmark: I think that's probably what I want people to take stock of, to maybe
• 30:49
  Scott Highmark: take these significance assessment and say, Is my life
• 30:53
  Scott Highmark: aligned with I what I really want?
• 30:57
  Scott Highmark: And what really what I really value both now and and and
• 31:01
  Scott Highmark: to be remembered for?
• 31:03
  Scott Highmark: And I think that's probably the the the thing
• 31:07
  Scott Highmark: I just want people to understand is I think Francis
• 31:11
  Scott Highmark: Chan said, like, the saddest thing is that when people are
• 31:15
  Scott Highmark: successful at things that don't matter.
• 31:18
  Scott Highmark: And, you know, I see that all the time.
• 31:20
  Scott Highmark: We see people that are really, really, really successful and really, really driven
• 31:24
  Scott Highmark: and really ambitious and really capable, but they're they're they're
• 31:28
  Scott Highmark: putting all of that talent towards
• 31:32
  Scott Highmark: something that really doesn't have ultimate meaning.
• 31:35
  Scott Highmark: You know, I think about the bible in Mark four, a parable of the
• 31:38
  Scott Highmark: sower, it talks about the soil.
• 31:41
  Scott Highmark: And I wanna I want I want people to evaluate the soil that they
• 31:45
  Scott Highmark: are.
• 31:45
  Scott Highmark: Are they the rocky soil?
• 31:47
  Scott Highmark: Are they the good soil that that can receive the word,
• 31:51
  Scott Highmark: that can apply it and will bear fruit.
• 31:55
  Scott Highmark: Like, I'm I'm a big believer on returning, you know, parable
• 31:59
  Scott Highmark: of stewards and being a good investor.
• 32:00
  Lisa Nichols: Yes.
• 32:00
  Scott Highmark: I mean, that's what I do for a living.
• 32:02
  Scott Highmark: So Yes.
• 32:03
  Scott Highmark: I believe that we've all been given talents.
• 32:05
  Scott Highmark: And then the bible talks about the people who receive receive it and
• 32:09
  Scott Highmark: then do something with it produce a a yield of thirty, sixty, a hundred
• 32:13
  Scott Highmark: times.
• 32:14
  Scott Highmark: And I just wanna make sure that the the yield, the harvest is actually
• 32:18
  Scott Highmark: what matters.
• 32:19
  Lisa Nichols: Yeah.
• 32:20
  Lisa Nichols: The ripe fruit In
• 32:21
  Scott Highmark: my own life yeah.
• 32:22
  Scott Highmark: Right.
• 32:22
  Scott Highmark: In my own life and in the life of others.
• 32:24
  Scott Highmark: And I'm reminded I mentioned the halftime book by Bob Buford.
• 32:27
  Scott Highmark: This this this quote sits in my right by my desk, and he says,
• 32:31
  Scott Highmark: as for me, what I've realized that all that will be left of me
• 32:35
  Scott Highmark: is what I let go of to invest in the lives of others.
• 32:40
  Scott Highmark: The fruit of my life will grow on other people's trees.
• 32:44
  Scott Highmark: And I may be getting old now that I'm in my fifties, but I
• 32:47
  Scott Highmark: do think about, like, I'm again, being a sport using a sports analogy, like,
• 32:51
  Scott Highmark: what is my coaching tree?
• 32:52
  Scott Highmark: What is the fruit from my tree where somebody's gonna look back and say,
• 32:56
  Scott Highmark: that was helpful.
• 32:57
  Scott Highmark: That person he invested in me in such a way that now I can
• 33:01
  Scott Highmark: invest in others.
• 33:02
  Scott Highmark: And so, anyway, long winded answer to your question, but I want I if
• 33:06
  Scott Highmark: nothing else, I want them to take stock of their life, take in a
• 33:10
  Scott Highmark: self assessment on their significance journey, and just take stock and say,
• 33:14
  Scott Highmark: is my life aligned with what I say is important?
• 33:16
  Scott Highmark: And maybe have their spouse or partner or somebody else look at it too
• 33:19
  Scott Highmark: to make sure you're not deceiving yourself.
• 33:21
  Lisa Nichols: Sure.
• 33:22
  Lisa Nichols: Oh, yeah.
• 33:23
  Lisa Nichols: That is so good.
• 33:24
  Lisa Nichols: I love that quote, by the way.
• 33:26
  Scott Highmark: Yeah.
• 33:27
  Scott Highmark: Oh.
• 33:27
  Scott Highmark: So about
• 33:28
  Lisa Nichols: I do too that, you know, you're I've heard it said many
• 33:32
  Lisa Nichols: ways, but you're planting trees that that other people are gonna enjoy
• 33:36
  Lisa Nichols: the shade for.
• 33:37
  Lisa Nichols: But, you know, that's legacy.
• 33:39
  Lisa Nichols: That's legacy.
• 33:40
  Lisa Nichols: Legacy is something that is going to, live on
• 33:44
  Lisa Nichols: beyond you.
• 33:45
  Lisa Nichols: Yeah.
• 33:45
  Lisa Nichols: You know?
• 33:47
  Lisa Nichols: It just reminds me too, and you kind of said it before, but one
• 33:51
  Lisa Nichols: of my favorite things about inheritance, you know, it's not like what you leave
• 33:55
  Lisa Nichols: for someone.
• 33:57
  Lisa Nichols: It's what you leave in them.
• 33:59
  Lisa Nichols: Yes.
• 34:00
  Lisa Nichols: You know?
• 34:01
  Lisa Nichols: And Love that.
• 34:02
  Lisa Nichols: I do too.
• 34:03
  Lisa Nichols: I do too, Scott.
• 34:04
  Scott Highmark: I I the another I I love that.
• 34:06
  Scott Highmark: Another part of my book talks about start the the it is can
• 34:11
  Scott Highmark: you name your great great grandparents?
• 34:13
  Scott Highmark: And I've I've I've since learned that because I've somebody posed that question
• 34:18
  Scott Highmark: to me.
• 34:18
  Scott Highmark: But if you think about it, just your great great grandparents, do you know
• 34:22
  Scott Highmark: their name?
• 34:22
  Scott Highmark: Do you know their story?
• 34:24
  Scott Highmark: And most people do not.
• 34:26
  Scott Highmark: Which tells me that in a hundred years, nobody will know my name or
• 34:30
  Scott Highmark: my story.
• 34:31
  Scott Highmark: And so all these things that I'm chasing every single day that I'm all
• 34:35
  Scott Highmark: work worked up about and, you know, just get all anxious
• 34:39
  Scott Highmark: and and restless about, it won't matter in a
• 34:43
  Scott Highmark: couple.
• 34:43
  Scott Highmark: But but maybe what might matter is that if I can if
• 34:47
  Scott Highmark: I can invest in a few things in my family, maybe there's a few
• 34:51
  Scott Highmark: things that'll matter, but it won't have anything to do with money or mosaic
• 34:54
  Scott Highmark: or productivity.
• 34:55
  Scott Highmark: It won't have anything to do with that.
• 34:57
  Scott Highmark: It'll have it'll have to do with, like, what's really, really important.
• 35:00
  Scott Highmark: So Yeah.
• 35:01
  Scott Highmark: Anyway, just Oh,
• 35:02
  Lisa Nichols: that's so good.
• 35:03
  Lisa Nichols: How that is so good.
• 35:07
  Lisa Nichols: Well, let me let me ask you this.
• 35:09
  Lisa Nichols: Let's just talk about this because I know that you you say because
• 35:14
  Lisa Nichols: you are the cofounder of Mosaic, but then you also
• 35:18
  Lisa Nichols: I think you also call yourself, like, a behavioral psychologist
• 35:22
  Lisa Nichols: and a life coach.
• 35:23
  Lisa Nichols: I mean, you've kind of become a life coach.
• 35:26
  Lisa Nichols: When you're talking to to leaders because there is, and you'd said it before,
• 35:30
  Lisa Nichols: this insatiable desire for more and more and more.
• 35:33
  Lisa Nichols: You but, Scott, when you're talking to people, how do you help them go,
• 35:38
  Lisa Nichols: I'll never forget my friend, Gaines Dietrich, You know, said one time that he
• 35:42
  Lisa Nichols: got to the point where he's like, how much is enough?
• 35:45
  Scott Highmark: Mhmm.
• 35:46
  Lisa Nichols: How much is enough?
• 35:47
  Lisa Nichols: And more is not always the best.
• 35:49
  Lisa Nichols: Right?
• 35:50
  Lisa Nichols: More causes complexity.
• 35:53
  Lisa Nichols: Yep.
• 35:53
  Lisa Nichols: A lot more complexity in your life.
• 35:56
  Lisa Nichols: But how do you get them to that point where they can
• 36:00
  Lisa Nichols: say, okay.
• 36:01
  Lisa Nichols: This is enough.
• 36:03
  Scott Highmark: Yeah.
• 36:03
  Scott Highmark: It's a great question.
• 36:06
  Scott Highmark: You know, along those lines, I think well, number one, I think you have
• 36:10
  Scott Highmark: to prove that out to them.
• 36:11
  Scott Highmark: You know, you actually have to prove them.
• 36:12
  Scott Highmark: You have to be good at the math and you can you can prove
• 36:14
  Scott Highmark: that out.
• 36:15
  Scott Highmark: But a lot of times it's beyond the math.
• 36:18
  Scott Highmark: Right?
• 36:18
  Scott Highmark: Most people know, like, intuitively, like, they know they have enough.
• 36:22
  Scott Highmark: But it's Bob Buford used to say we're all addicted to the up into
• 36:25
  Scott Highmark: the right chart.
• 36:26
  Scott Highmark: We're just addicted to that.
• 36:27
  Scott Highmark: We're addicted to in every part of our life, we want everything going up
• 36:30
  Scott Highmark: into the right.
• 36:31
  Scott Highmark: And and so I think having people stop,
• 36:36
  Scott Highmark: understanding, take stock of really where they are.
• 36:39
  Scott Highmark: You know, I've been challenged through, I'm affiliated with Kingdom Advisors,
• 36:43
  Scott Highmark: down in Atlanta.
• 36:45
  Lisa Nichols: And Yes.
• 36:45
  Scott Highmark: So about stewarding,
• 36:48
  Scott Highmark: you know, God's people, God's money, God's way.
• 36:50
  Scott Highmark: That's their tagline.
• 36:52
  Scott Highmark: And, they've challenged me a little bit on is there is there such a
• 36:56
  Scott Highmark: thing that's biblical about, financial finish line?
• 36:59
  Scott Highmark: Like, is that is that something we should think about?
• 37:02
  Scott Highmark: I talk about running through the tape.
• 37:04
  Scott Highmark: I see that all the time with people who say that other things are
• 37:08
  Scott Highmark: important, but they are running through the tape.
• 37:09
  Scott Highmark: So just posing questions for people to think about of, like, what
• 37:13
  Scott Highmark: how much is enough?
• 37:15
  Scott Highmark: Is there is there a finish line?
• 37:18
  Scott Highmark: And that again, I I think the other part just, again, coming along people
• 37:21
  Scott Highmark: helping guide gently and softly because you have to meet people where they are
• 37:24
  Scott Highmark: is
• 37:25
  Lisa Nichols: Yes.
• 37:25
  Scott Highmark: You know, what breaks the power and the the grip of money?
• 37:29
  Scott Highmark: Generosity.
• 37:30
  Scott Highmark: Giving it away.
• 37:32
  Scott Highmark: That that that can break the grip.
• 37:33
  Scott Highmark: And that's one of our missions at Mosaic is how do we fundamentally
• 37:37
  Scott Highmark: reshape people's relationship with money no matter
• 37:41
  Scott Highmark: where they are and remove the anxiety and the fear and the greed
• 37:46
  Scott Highmark: and renew it with purpose and hope.
• 37:49
  Scott Highmark: I mean, that's in clarity.
• 37:51
  Scott Highmark: That's that's really what what our mission is to do.
• 37:54
  Scott Highmark: And, but it takes it takes relational equity to walk in the
• 37:58
  Scott Highmark: danger with people and to gently guide them, because
• 38:02
  Scott Highmark: money, I mean, it's it's near and dear.
• 38:05
  Scott Highmark: You see really quickly what's important to people.
• 38:08
  Scott Highmark: Yeah.
• 38:08
  Scott Highmark: And so you have to earn the right to speak into that, but, there's
• 38:11
  Scott Highmark: nothing more enjoyable is to meet with a high capacity
• 38:15
  Scott Highmark: leader type who has the world by the tail, that has all
• 38:19
  Scott Highmark: the success in the world, and is still trying to figure out how do
• 38:23
  Scott Highmark: I align
• 38:25
  Scott Highmark: my time, talent, and treasure with what's ultimately most important.
• 38:29
  Scott Highmark: And maybe ask them some of those challenging questions about financial finish lines, about
• 38:33
  Scott Highmark: generosity,
• 38:35
  Scott Highmark: about about legacy, and, like, what's gonna be helpful for our kids?
• 38:38
  Scott Highmark: Like, how much really is gonna be helpful?
• 38:40
  Scott Highmark: And is there a point at which it actually wouldn't be helpful?
• 38:43
  Lisa Nichols: Yeah.
• 38:43
  Lisa Nichols: That it's detrimental.
• 38:44
  Lisa Nichols: Yeah.
• 38:45
  Lisa Nichols: It can be detrimental.
• 38:46
  Lisa Nichols: Right?
• 38:47
  Lisa Nichols: So it can be.
• 38:48
  Lisa Nichols: So, yeah, I love that.
• 38:50
  Lisa Nichols: Just asking those hard questions.
• 38:52
  Lisa Nichols: And sometimes, we need people like you, Scott, as
• 38:56
  Lisa Nichols: a financial adviser, as an adviser to ask us those questions because sometimes we
• 39:00
  Lisa Nichols: don't stop long enough to ask them of ourselves.
• 39:03
  Scott Highmark: Right.
• 39:04
  Scott Highmark: We we don't.
• 39:05
  Scott Highmark: And and we're addicted to the up and to the right just naturally.
• 39:08
  Scott Highmark: Just naturally.
• 39:08
  Scott Highmark: It's like Nate, if I'm not moving, if our company's not moving, if my
• 39:12
  Scott Highmark: balance sheet's not moving, then there's something wrong, and I need to reorient
• 39:16
  Scott Highmark: it.
• 39:17
  Scott Highmark: And, again, I keep referencing Bob Buford.
• 39:19
  Scott Highmark: He said, I spent the first fifty years fifty five years of my life
• 39:22
  Scott Highmark: going up into the right.
• 39:23
  Scott Highmark: I spent the last twenty five years of my life actually going down into
• 39:27
  Scott Highmark: the right, and he said it's been a much more enjoyable ride.
• 39:31
  Scott Highmark: And and Yeah.
• 39:32
  Scott Highmark: And it just kind of that struck me now, you know, now that I'm
• 39:35
  Scott Highmark: in my fifties, I'm thinking about that.
• 39:38
  Scott Highmark: Like, is there is there a is there a financial finish line that I
• 39:41
  Scott Highmark: would be open to?
• 39:42
  Scott Highmark: What is our role in in in sacrificial giving?
• 39:46
  Scott Highmark: I remember I heard David Booth.
• 39:48
  Scott Highmark: Again, I'm not advocating for David Booth, but I heard him speak at the
• 39:51
  Scott Highmark: University of Chicago.
• 39:53
  Scott Highmark: And somebody said, why did you name the Booth School of Business the why
• 39:56
  Scott Highmark: did you put your name on your family name on the the School of
• 39:58
  Scott Highmark: Business at University of Chicago?
• 39:59
  Scott Highmark: And he said, we wanted to make a sacrificial gift
• 40:03
  Scott Highmark: where we had to think about it that there were gonna be generational
• 40:08
  Scott Highmark: implications to making a gift of that size.
• 40:12
  Scott Highmark: And, you know, in my mind, I start doing the math.
• 40:14
  Scott Highmark: I'm like, what would a sacrificial gift be for David Booth?
• 40:16
  Scott Highmark: You know, I'm trying to do the
• 40:17
  Lisa Nichols: math.
• 40:17
  Lisa Nichols: Right.
• 40:18
  Scott Highmark: But but it it it just doesn't really matter the numbers, but but am
• 40:22
  Scott Highmark: I even open to making a sacrifice?
• 40:25
  Scott Highmark: Say.
• 40:25
  Scott Highmark: Where, like, literally, we'd have to make trade offs in our life or our
• 40:29
  Scott Highmark: lifestyle because of that call to be
• 40:33
  Scott Highmark: generous.
• 40:33
  Lisa Nichols: Mhmm.
• 40:34
  Scott Highmark: And I don't know.
• 40:34
  Scott Highmark: That's a tough one for me.
• 40:35
  Scott Highmark: But I think it's better to be aware of that question than not.
• 40:40
  Lisa Nichols: I agree.
• 40:41
  Lisa Nichols: I agree.
• 40:41
  Lisa Nichols: Well, Scott, I know this about you.
• 40:43
  Lisa Nichols: I mean, your faith, I mean, we've already referenced a lot.
• 40:46
  Lisa Nichols: You know, it's really central, but, you know, how
• 40:51
  Lisa Nichols: how has it really shaped your understanding of
• 40:55
  Lisa Nichols: all of this significance?
• 40:57
  Lisa Nichols: And, you know, tell me a little bit about that, and then I wanna
• 41:02
  Lisa Nichols: talk a little bit about your girls.
• 41:04
  Scott Highmark: Yeah.
• 41:04
  Scott Highmark: Yeah.
• 41:06
  Scott Highmark: I mean, my faith undergird everything that I do, hopefully.
• 41:10
  Scott Highmark: And and even even within the book, I I talk about significance.
• 41:13
  Scott Highmark: You know, the I talk about John Wood's pyramid of success, then the significance
• 41:17
  Scott Highmark: pyramid kind of on top of that.
• 41:19
  Scott Highmark: The the really the top of the pyramid is not, for me, is not
• 41:23
  Scott Highmark: significance.
• 41:24
  Scott Highmark: It's actually surrendering.
• 41:25
  Scott Highmark: It's actually surrendering.
• 41:26
  Scott Highmark: There's another word on top of that.
• 41:28
  Scott Highmark: Yes.
• 41:28
  Scott Highmark: And until I surrender my life to something or someone, and for
• 41:32
  Scott Highmark: me, that's the Lord that that that it's not mine.
• 41:35
  Scott Highmark: I don't own anything.
• 41:36
  Scott Highmark: I'm just a steward of it.
• 41:38
  Scott Highmark: So that's kind of the undergirding.
• 41:40
  Scott Highmark: That's what helps me along this journey to even ask some of these hardening
• 41:44
  Scott Highmark: questions because I know it's not mine.
• 41:47
  Scott Highmark: I don't own it.
• 41:48
  Scott Highmark: And and I can I can be open to that with the Lord's prompting
• 41:52
  Scott Highmark: to do that?
• 41:52
  Scott Highmark: And so, again, I'm I'm just trying to be a good steward of
• 41:56
  Scott Highmark: my family or business, people in my my life and serving others.
• 42:01
  Scott Highmark: And, and but but it's really all in service of of
• 42:05
  Scott Highmark: of the Lord who's given me so much.
• 42:07
  Scott Highmark: So it's not it's not anything in me.
• 42:10
  Scott Highmark: It's it's him.
• 42:11
  Scott Highmark: It's it's the work he's done in me that then allows me to be
• 42:14
  Scott Highmark: an outpouring of his grace and mercy.
• 42:16
  Scott Highmark: That's that's my hope for my life.
• 42:18
  Lisa Nichols: Yeah.
• 42:19
  Lisa Nichols: That's so good.
• 42:20
  Lisa Nichols: Well, let's talk a little bit about your girls, Taylor, Brooke, and Lane.
• 42:23
  Lisa Nichols: And I hear that Brooke
• 42:26
  Lisa Nichols: shares your passion for basketball.
• 42:28
  Lisa Nichols: Right?
• 42:28
  Lisa Nichols: Maybe your other girls do too.
• 42:30
  Lisa Nichols: Did they all share your passion for basketball?
• 42:32
  Scott Highmark: No.
• 42:33
  Scott Highmark: They do not.
• 42:35
  Scott Highmark: They do not.
• 42:36
  Scott Highmark: They all played a little bit growing up.
• 42:38
  Scott Highmark: Again, one of those unconscious Highmark family agreements that all they all felt like
• 42:42
  Scott Highmark: they needed to play basketball, which they didn't.
• 42:44
  Scott Highmark: But,
• 42:46
  Scott Highmark: but, yeah, they, Taylor is actually, teaching at,
• 42:50
  Scott Highmark: in Kirkwood Elementary Ed.
• 42:52
  Scott Highmark: And, you know, what's really cool is to see when you talk about aligning
• 42:56
  Scott Highmark: your life with how God made you, to see to see your
• 43:00
  Scott Highmark: daughter doing what she's made to do and serving like these little three and
• 43:04
  Scott Highmark: four year olds, like, that's sweet.
• 43:06
  Scott Highmark: And so she's in a good spot doing that.
• 43:09
  Scott Highmark: Brooke is actually I'll come back to Brooke.
• 43:11
  Scott Highmark: Then Lane is a senior in high school at Westminster and trying to figure
• 43:14
  Scott Highmark: out the college thing and what's that gonna look like.
• 43:16
  Scott Highmark: And I always say Lane's living her best life.
• 43:18
  Scott Highmark: I don't know if you've ever read the birth order book, but Lane is
• 43:21
  Scott Highmark: like the the classic third child, like, living her best life.
• 43:24
  Scott Highmark: It's fun and life of the party and
• 43:26
  Lisa Nichols: Yes.
• 43:27
  Scott Highmark: But, she's super sweet and, it'll be fun to see what her next
• 43:31
  Scott Highmark: adventure is.
• 43:32
  Scott Highmark: And then and Brooke is the she's been the kinda serious basketball player her
• 43:35
  Scott Highmark: whole life.
• 43:36
  Scott Highmark: She played at Belmont, down in Nashville for, a year, and then
• 43:40
  Scott Highmark: she got hurt.
• 43:40
  Scott Highmark: So now she's actually finishing up at MoBAP here locally Oh.
• 43:44
  Scott Highmark: Which has been a huge blessing to her.
• 43:45
  Lisa Nichols: What a blessing to you too to have her.
• 43:48
  Scott Highmark: I know.
• 43:48
  Scott Highmark: And she's she's, she's close to home and, finishing her senior year and
• 43:52
  Scott Highmark: thinks that she wants to be in sports journalism.
• 43:55
  Scott Highmark: And,
• 43:56
  Lisa Nichols: Oh, that would be awesome.
• 43:57
  Scott Highmark: It would be, but I'm kinda shaking my head trying to figure out trying
• 44:00
  Scott Highmark: to help her figure out which part of AI is going to attack
• 44:05
  Scott Highmark: Swartzure.
• 44:05
  Scott Highmark: And in every other business for that matter.
• 44:07
  Scott Highmark: Right?
• 44:08
  Lisa Nichols: Definitely.
• 44:08
  Scott Highmark: You know better than than me on that.
• 44:11
  Scott Highmark: But, yeah.
• 44:12
  Scott Highmark: So they're all kind of on their own path and their own journey.
• 44:15
  Scott Highmark: And,
• 44:17
  Scott Highmark: you know, like like I said, just like with money, like, they're not ours.
• 44:20
  Scott Highmark: They're we're just we're just we're just here to store it.
• 44:23
  Lisa Nichols: For a period of time.
• 44:25
  Lisa Nichols: Yeah.
• 44:25
  Scott Highmark: Period of time.
• 44:26
  Lisa Nichols: Very good.
• 44:26
  Lisa Nichols: We're
• 44:26
  Scott Highmark: gonna get ready to launch them, hopefully.
• 44:28
  Lisa Nichols: Yeah.
• 44:29
  Lisa Nichols: Okay.
• 44:29
  Lisa Nichols: Let me ask you this.
• 44:31
  Lisa Nichols: You know and I know you're a super, super disciplined person.
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  Lisa Nichols: You know, is there a habit that you have, Scott?
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  Lisa Nichols: I mean, we talked about working out.
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  Lisa Nichols: But is there a habit that you have that you do consistently that
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  Lisa Nichols: you would say
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  Lisa Nichols: is really, you know, the a game changer for you in your life?
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  Lisa Nichols: Is there a habit?
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  Lisa Nichols: I mean, I know you and Lindsay do date nights.
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  Lisa Nichols: I mean, you're very intentional with that.
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  Lisa Nichols: I mean, you can talk about a couple of habits It'd be really
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  Scott Highmark: Well I'll I'll you since you mentioned Lindsay, I'll say this.
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  Scott Highmark: Like, after twenty years of marriage, I realized that I'm actually I I have
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  Scott Highmark: all the other people in my life speaking into me.
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  Scott Highmark: I realized that I'm actually not very good at the marriage thing.
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  Scott Highmark: I'm not I'm not getting better.
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  Scott Highmark: I'm not getting coached in that area, so we have to have a marriage
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  Scott Highmark: coach.
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  Scott Highmark: Yeah.
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  Scott Highmark: And so we've been doing that for ten years, and that's just a habit.
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  Scott Highmark: That's not a that's not a, oh, we had a crisis.
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  Scott Highmark: Let's go see somebody.
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  Scott Highmark: It's a it's like going to the gym.
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  Scott Highmark: It's like we're getting reps Yeah.
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  Scott Highmark: Spoken into, and he doesn't let me get away with blaming her and vice
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  Scott Highmark: versa.
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  Scott Highmark: And sometimes we go together, sometimes we go separate.
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  Scott Highmark: I could not highly more highly recommend doing something like that for
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  Scott Highmark: even in a healthy marriage.
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  Scott Highmark: Then the the other thing is I start every day and really COVID helped
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  Scott Highmark: me with this is I just kinda reoriented.
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  Scott Highmark: I had that silly thought that I ought to be the first one in
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  Scott Highmark: the office every day and, you know, first one in, last one out, all
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  Scott Highmark: that kind of nonsense that we grew up with.
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  Scott Highmark: And then I realized, like, does it really matter if I'm not doing the
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  Scott Highmark: most important thing?
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  Scott Highmark: So now I just start my day.
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  Scott Highmark: I call it PMED, p m e d, prayer, meditation, exercise,
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  Scott Highmark: and diet.
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  Scott Highmark: And so I start every day.
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  Scott Highmark: I'm an early morning guy just by nature.
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  Scott Highmark: But I start every day, probably spend the first forty five minutes of my
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  Scott Highmark: day in prayer, doing some breathing exercises,
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  Scott Highmark: doing some reading, doing some journaling, then I go exercise,
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  Scott Highmark: and then I try to eat, you know, a moderately healthy breakfast.
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  Scott Highmark: And if I do those things, it kinda sets me on my path in
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  Scott Highmark: my first hour and a half.
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  Scott Highmark: I then, the rest of my day is, like, great.
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  Scott Highmark: I can kinda handle anything.
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  Lisa Nichols: Yes.
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  Scott Highmark: I'm I'm I'm I'm rigorously habitual about everything,
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  Scott Highmark: so that could be a danger to me because I can get addicted to
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  Scott Highmark: my routine.
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  Lisa Nichols: Yes.
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  Scott Highmark: But that routine, I think, has been healthy, and I can tell days when
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  Scott Highmark: I don't do it that I'm, like, Lindsay will actually notice.
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  Scott Highmark: And she'll, like, you're a little more irritable.
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  Scott Highmark: You're a little bit restless.
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  Lisa Nichols: Did you do did you take your PMED?
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  Lisa Nichols: Yeah.
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  Lisa Nichols: Did you take your PMED?
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  Scott Highmark: Exactly.
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  Scott Highmark: We kid around.
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  Scott Highmark: It's kinda like my mom used to ask me, like, you didn't did you
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  Scott Highmark: have recess today?
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  Scott Highmark: She's like, you need to have recess because you're a restless little boy.
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  Scott Highmark: And so That's funny.
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  Scott Highmark: That's kinda my recess, but I do it early in the morning
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  Lisa Nichols: so I don't miss it.
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  Lisa Nichols: Alright.
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  Lisa Nichols: So what's a breakfast of champions on your diet?
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  Scott Highmark: Habitually consistent, and boring, and my kids
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  Scott Highmark: make fun of me, but it's four eggs and turkey bacon every day for
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  Scott Highmark: breakfast.
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  Scott Highmark: Seven days later.
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  Lisa Nichols: Eggs and turkey bacon.
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  Scott Highmark: Yeah.
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  Scott Highmark: Awesome.
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  Scott Highmark: That's my deal.
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  Lisa Nichols: Oh my goodness.
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  Lisa Nichols: Scott, I think you and I could just talk forever.
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  Lisa Nichols: It just this is so good.
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  Lisa Nichols: So much fun.
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  Lisa Nichols: But, you know, I always ask this question, what is the something extra Everleader
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  Lisa Nichols: needs?
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  Lisa Nichols: And you may not remember what you said in twenty twenty two, but I
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  Lisa Nichols: went back and listened.
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  Lisa Nichols: Do you remember what you said?
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  Scott Highmark: I think I said humility, which is, like, embarrassing.
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  Scott Highmark: It's actually embarrassing that I said that.
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  Scott Highmark: Like, if you say, like, what's your greatest trait?
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  Scott Highmark: You say humility.
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  Scott Highmark: You're like, well, it's probably not your greatest trait.
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  Scott Highmark: It's probably your greatest weakness.
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  Scott Highmark: Yeah.
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  Scott Highmark: Am I right?
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  Scott Highmark: I did say that.
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  Lisa Nichols: You did say yeah.
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  Lisa Nichols: You said humility, and then you also say curiosity.
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  Scott Highmark: Yeah.
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  Lisa Nichols: Staying curious.
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  Lisa Nichols: Right?
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  Lisa Nichols: And and you and I have talked about that, like, the growth mindset and
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  Lisa Nichols: continuing to learn and
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  Scott Highmark: Yeah.
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  Scott Highmark: And I I still think the the the certainly the curiosity is still there.
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  Scott Highmark: Hopefully, I have some humility.
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  Scott Highmark: You get not Yeah.
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  Scott Highmark: Enough.
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  Scott Highmark: You get humble.
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  Scott Highmark: But I was thinking about it because I knew you were gonna ask me
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  Scott Highmark: that question.
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  Scott Highmark: I think the word I would say this time, and maybe with four years
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  Scott Highmark: you'll ask me again, I would say I used to learn more about who
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  Scott Highmark: you are.
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  Scott Highmark: I would say what what really is different about me that I've
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  Scott Highmark: learned is is just the drive.
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  Scott Highmark: And I don't know if it's different than any you or anybody else, but
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  Scott Highmark: I just have an insatiable drive
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  Scott Highmark: to move things forward.
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  Scott Highmark: And so it just comes naturally.
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  Scott Highmark: I had just have a high motor, I think by God's design.
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  Scott Highmark: Mhmm.
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  Scott Highmark: And so I have to be careful that it doesn't get applied in negative
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  Scott Highmark: ways or or, you know, ways that over index to everything.
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  Scott Highmark: If it's worth doing, it's worth overdoing.
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  Lisa Nichols: Mhmm.
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  Scott Highmark: So I have to that's part of why I wrote this book is to
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  Scott Highmark: make sure that that inner drive, that inner fire that God gave me
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  Scott Highmark: naturally gets applied and pointed in the right direction
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  Scott Highmark: Right.
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  Scott Highmark: In things of significance and not things of this earth for Scott.
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  Lisa Nichols: Right.
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  Lisa Nichols: Yeah.
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  Lisa Nichols: Yeah.
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  Lisa Nichols: That's so good, Scott.
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  Lisa Nichols: And I'm also thinking that insatiable drive, not everybody
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  Lisa Nichols: runs at that RPMs.
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  Lisa Nichols: Yeah.
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  Lisa Nichols: Yeah.
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  Lisa Nichols: And not everybody's motor runs that way.
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  Lisa Nichols: Right?
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  Lisa Nichols: So we had to be really careful
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  Scott Highmark: Yeah.
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  Lisa Nichols: With people around us and our teams.
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  Lisa Nichols: And, you know, I was just talking to somebody yesterday, and I said,
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  Lisa Nichols: just because I work sixty hours a week, I'm not expecting you to do
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  Lisa Nichols: that.
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  Lisa Nichols: You know, you've got key objectives.
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  Scott Highmark: Yep.
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  Lisa Nichols: Right?
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  Lisa Nichols: We all have our objectives and key results that we have to focus
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  Lisa Nichols: on, but I'm not expecting that.
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  Lisa Nichols: Right?
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  Lisa Nichols: And so sometimes yeah.
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  Lisa Nichols: I I completely I that completely resonates
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  Lisa Nichols: with me.
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  Lisa Nichols: But having that drive and, like you said, in the right
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  Lisa Nichols: ways, it's to make the world a better place.
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  Lisa Nichols: I mean, you are about serving others and building
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  Lisa Nichols: God's kingdom here on Earth.
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  Lisa Nichols: I mean, it takes it takes some gumption.
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  Lisa Nichols: It takes some drive, right, to get up every day and and
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  Lisa Nichols: do those things.
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  Lisa Nichols: So
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  Scott Highmark: Yeah.
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  Lisa Nichols: A good thing.
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  Scott Highmark: I I believe that.
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  Scott Highmark: I I there's you know, I used to think that I I wanna I
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  Scott Highmark: want I want less constraints in my life.
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  Scott Highmark: I wanna be free to do whatever and there's some value in that.
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  Scott Highmark: But actually as I get older, actually, I want I want some constraints in
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  Scott Highmark: my life, but I want the right constraints in my life that get me
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  Scott Highmark: excited to get up every day and and and point that drive in the
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  Scott Highmark: right in the right direction.
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  Scott Highmark: And you you mentioned RPMs.
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  Scott Highmark: I'll be vulnerable and say that's exactly what we talk about our marriage coach.
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  Scott Highmark: It's like your RPMs, Scott, you're running at a hundred and thirty RPMs and
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  Scott Highmark: your wife's running at, let's say, eighty.
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  Scott Highmark: You can't tell her to run faster.
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  Scott Highmark: That's not your job is to come meet her where she is.
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  Scott Highmark: Like you said, you're not telling your employees, hey.
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  Scott Highmark: You gotta run fat as fast as me.
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  Scott Highmark: Mhmm.
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  Scott Highmark: But you gotta meet them where they are and help them along the way.
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  Scott Highmark: And so, again, there's humility in that.
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  Scott Highmark: There's grace and mercy in that.
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  Scott Highmark: And, so, again, those are the things that I'm learning, but you just said
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  Scott Highmark: it.
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  Lisa Nichols: Yeah.
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  Lisa Nichols: So good.
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  Lisa Nichols: Well, Scott, thanks so much.
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  Lisa Nichols: I'm so excited about your book coming out and, would encourage our listeners
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  Lisa Nichols: go out, get the book.
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  Lisa Nichols: I know that you're gonna be blessed by it.
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  Lisa Nichols: So thank you, my friend.
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  Lisa Nichols: It's always good being with you.
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  Scott Highmark: Well, thank you.
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  Scott Highmark: You've been a great inspiration to me, and, thank you for, just being gracious
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  Scott Highmark: and having me on and just sharing life together.
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  Scott Highmark: So thank you.
• 51:53
  Lisa Nichols: Yeah.
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  Lisa Nichols: Have a great day.
• 51:54
  Scott Highmark: You too.
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