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The Late Debate | 23 September · The Late Debate

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Speaker 1: Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the Life Debates.
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Speaker 2: Good evening and welcome to the program. I'm Caleb Bond
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Speaker 2: with David Elliott and Lucy Zelich. What a line-up we've
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Speaker 2: got here tonight. How about this?
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Speaker 3: Stuck in the den with the boys.
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Speaker 2: Oh, well, are you complaining? No, never. No, I didn't
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Speaker 2: think you would. You know, if you're going to be
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Speaker 2: stuck with two men in a room, I think we're
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Speaker 2: two reasonable men.
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Speaker 3: Apart from my husband and father, there are no better blokes.
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Speaker 2: Oh, well, that is a high compliment. I think she's
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Speaker 2: sucking up early. I'm not going.
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Speaker 4: To go easy on you.
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Speaker 2: Pardon?
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Speaker 3: We'll bring you up for war.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, we don't want anyone to go easy here,
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Speaker 2: do we? Here's what's coming up tonight. The NRL grand
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Speaker 2: final won't have a pre-match concert this year after their
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Speaker 2: Star Act pulled out, but the league's boss says they
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Speaker 2: don't need pre-match entertainment because people are coming for the footy.
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Speaker 2: More on that soon. The Queensland government won't tell taxpayers
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Speaker 2: what Olympic venues cost to build. Well, they are paying
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Speaker 2: for it. What excuse could there be to not tell
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Speaker 2: them how much they are paying? And the Victorian government
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Speaker 2: wants to make it easier for pubs to stay open
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Speaker 2: until 3am. I can hear the neighbours getting angry. That's
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Speaker 2: on the front of tomorrow's Herald Sun. But first, we
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Speaker 2: know we have major problems with the behaviour of children,
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Speaker 2: particularly teenagers, in this country at the moment. It was
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Speaker 2: only a week or two ago that we saw a
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Speaker 2: report from PISA, this is an international report, that said
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Speaker 2: that Australian school students were amongst the worst behaved In
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Speaker 2: the world, it put us on the same footing as Lebanon,
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Speaker 2: Turkey and Poland. We had students saying, 41% of them,
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Speaker 2: that science classes were being constantly interrupted and noisy, which
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Speaker 2: was well above the international standard of 31%. We have
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Speaker 2: issues with behaviour in this country. And yet another example
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Speaker 2: of it, revealed by 2GB this morning, James Willis, who's
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Speaker 2: filling in for Ben Fordham on Breakfast, broke the story
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Speaker 2: of this brawl over the weekend between teenage girls in Newcastle.
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Speaker 4: Get out of the way!
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Speaker 1: Get out of the way!
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Speaker 2: And that is just horrific. It begins, that's only an excerpt.
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Speaker 2: The full clip is a minute and a half long.
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Speaker 2: And it starts with a couple of girls sitting upon
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Speaker 2: another girl and then a whole bunch of other girls
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Speaker 2: get involved. As you can see in that video, it
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Speaker 2: eventually becomes on for young and old. You've got other
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Speaker 2: teenagers hanging around. You can see them dancing in the
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Speaker 2: background as it's going on, filming it, you know, yelling
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Speaker 2: and shouting and jeering and basically encouraging what is happening
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Speaker 2: in front of them. I just don't understand how anyone
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Speaker 2: can do that stuff in the first place. But, Lucy,
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Speaker 2: I believe you have a... harsh solution for these kinds
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Speaker 2: of teenagers?
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Speaker 3: Oh, bring back military service. Bring back mandatory conscription. I mean,
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Speaker 3: I know we got rid of it in Australia. I
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Speaker 3: think it was in 1971 or 72.
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Speaker 2: 72.
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Speaker 3: 72, wasn't it, David? And I note that there are
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Speaker 3: several other countries, there are over 60 other countries around
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Speaker 3: the world who still enlist both male and female, depending
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Speaker 3: upon which of those countries, of course. are extending it
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Speaker 3: to females as well. But having a look at that,
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Speaker 3: and when you take into account there was a report
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Speaker 3: that dropped earlier this evening, actually, via the ABC, and
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Speaker 3: several others have picked it up as well, that said
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Speaker 3: that this type of..... this youth crime reduction attempt now
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Speaker 3: that we've seen in states like Victoria, they're failing. They're
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Speaker 3: not actually working. They've plunged, I think, at least $ 40
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Speaker 3: million into these efforts to give to organisations and mentoring
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Speaker 3: and case management programs to help these youth offenders. And
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Speaker 3: what they're actually seeing is that it's had the opposite effect,
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Speaker 3: that the crime rates aren't dropping. They've actually increased in
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Speaker 3: record highs down in Victoria. So what circumstances, what provisions,
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Speaker 3: what opportunities and pathways do we have in this country
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Speaker 3: to assist these youths to manage this youth crime situation
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Speaker 3: and to tackle the fact that whatever we're doing isn't working?
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Speaker 4: Well, can I take you to task?
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Speaker 3: Do it.
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Speaker 4: As somebody who has... I'm fifth-generation military army and my
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Speaker 4: son is now the sixth generation. And I don't think
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Speaker 4: the army should be the dumping ground of society's problem children.
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Speaker 3: But why do you view it as a dumping ground?
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Speaker 4: Because... How would you like it if you worked your
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Speaker 4: entire life to join the profession of arms and join
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Speaker 4: the military to be a professional soldier and be told
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Speaker 4: by your government, listen, you're so... ill-regarded that you're going
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Speaker 4: to babysit shitbags.
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Speaker 3: But I don't think that it's something where you could
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Speaker 3: classify it as being ill-regarded, though.
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Speaker 4: Professional soldiers don't like it because you end up going
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Speaker 4: to war with people that don't want to be there
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Speaker 4: and don't have the discipline that's required of a modern soldier.
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Speaker 3: I'm not saying that they have to go to war.
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Speaker 4: My solution, Caleb... I think that we need to realise
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Speaker 4: that when we... You're a little bit younger, but you're
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Speaker 4: about 20 years younger than me, so we'll go with you, Lucy.
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Speaker 4: When I was a kid, we had the Scouts, we
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Speaker 4: had the Boys Brigade, we had youth group, we had
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Speaker 4: Sunday school, we had so many activities that we didn't
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Speaker 4: have time to beat the bejesus out of each other.
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Speaker 4: I had four years as the Minister for Juvenile Justice
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Speaker 4: in this state and I took three lessons away. The
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Speaker 4: first thing is a kid needs somebody that loves them
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Speaker 4: enough to say no. I bet you those kids didn't
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Speaker 4: have anybody that loved them enough to say no. A
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Speaker 4: kid needs three square meals a day. I've obviously achieved
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Speaker 4: that objective. But what we've got to realise is that
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Speaker 4: they are what they eat. And thirdly, they need plenty
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Speaker 4: of organised activities. Kids don't have those organised activities.
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Speaker 1: Why?
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Speaker 4: Because the Scouts failed us because of all the sexual
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Speaker 4: harassment and the sexual assaults that occurred there. The church
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Speaker 4: has failed us. Kids don't want to go to church
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Speaker 4: anymore because they feel disenfranchised with religious leaders because of
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Speaker 4: what's gone on there. We have a waiting list for
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Speaker 4: cadets because so many kids want to go to cadets,
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Speaker 4: but the government hasn't spent enough money on military cadets
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Speaker 4: that the kids that do want to go there and
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Speaker 4: hopefully then pursue a career in the military can't get
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Speaker 4: in there because there aren't any resources. So what do
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Speaker 4: they do? They go to Newcastle Beach and beat the
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Speaker 4: chasers out of each other. I mean, I'm a firm
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Speaker 4: believer it takes a village to raise a child. I'm
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Speaker 4: a firm believer. But what we're seeing at the moment
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Speaker 4: is that people are too scared to correct children. And
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Speaker 4: you've seen it, I've seen it, I suspect you've seen it.
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Speaker 4: I cannot believe... that if you dug down to the
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Speaker 4: livelihoods of those children that you would have the sort
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Speaker 4: of upbringing that you and I had.
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Speaker 3: No, OK, so in the absence of all of that then,
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Speaker 3: what are you going to do? How are you going
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Speaker 3: to solve this issue? Are we going to keep cramming
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Speaker 3: them in jails? In Western Australia, there was a report
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Speaker 3: that dropped a month ago... They're having to pay gratuities
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Speaker 3: to the prisoners to sleep on the floor because of overcrowding.
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Speaker 4: Well, in the four years that I was Juvenile Justice Minister,
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Speaker 4: I actually saw a significant reduction in the number of
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Speaker 4: kids incarcerated. You know why? Because we spent money on
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Speaker 4: diversion programs. We said to them, in the absence of
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Speaker 4: those organised activities that the previous generation were doing, we're
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Speaker 4: going to get you a diversion program.
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Speaker 3: But they're not doing that now, David.
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Speaker 4: No, I know.
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Speaker 3: The Christopher government are locking up kids as young as 10,
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Speaker 3: and now we have researchers who are telling us that
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Speaker 3: statistically these children are just going to go on and re-offend.
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Speaker 2: Well, I think there's a middle ground. So Jeff Kennett,
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Speaker 2: I think it was last year or the year before...
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Speaker 2: And I'm not sure I agree with you. I don't
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Speaker 2: think we can send them off and sort of expect
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Speaker 2: the military to look after them. But Geoff Kennett suggested
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Speaker 2: boot camps.
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Speaker 3: How is that different to the army, though?
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Speaker 2: Because it would exist under a different structure. It's the
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Speaker 2: same idea, but it exists under a different structure. And
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Speaker 2: I think that's fair enough. You know, get them into
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Speaker 2: learning a skill, teach them a trade. So give them
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Speaker 2: something that they can use to get themselves out of
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Speaker 2: these situations that they find themselves in. Because clearly things
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Speaker 2: are not right at home when you end up in
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Speaker 2: those sorts of situations. I mean, kids are not just
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Speaker 2: out of nowhere deciding to go out and beat people up.
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Speaker 2: There's some sort of... The equilibrium is not right in
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Speaker 2: their lives that they either think that is something that
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Speaker 2: is appropriate to do or that there is something that
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Speaker 2: in their mind drives them to do something. Something is
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Speaker 2: not right somewhere along the line. And I think as
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Speaker 2: a society, we have become too much... We've gone down
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Speaker 2: the line too much of thinking, well, everything is someone
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Speaker 2: else's problem. Someone else has got to fix it. You know,
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Speaker 2: it never starts in your own backyard. Someone else has
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Speaker 2: to go and fix that.
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Speaker 5: So true.
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Speaker 2: And so parents, and I'm not saying all parents, because
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Speaker 2: most parents, I think, are good parents, but there are
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Speaker 2: clearly a lot of parents out there, and we talk
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Speaker 2: about this, we see it in schools all the time,
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Speaker 2: where teachers can't discipline children. Clearly, there is nothing going
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Speaker 2: on at home where those kids go to school and
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Speaker 2: have the fear of God put into them that what
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Speaker 2: the teacher says goes, or that what mum and dad
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Speaker 2: says goes.
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Speaker 3: They feel that they're lawless. I agree with all of
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Speaker 3: those points, right? And I see it of friends, right,
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Speaker 3: who don't actually discipline their children, who've been raised to
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Speaker 3: be self-entitled little brats, right? And I've seen that that
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Speaker 3: lack of discipline is a problem. I'll be the first
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Speaker 3: to put my hand up and say, if I stepped
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Speaker 3: out of line in my household, I knew about it, right?
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Speaker 3: And we spoke about actually not all that long ago
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Speaker 3: in the late debate about the fact that, you know,
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Speaker 3: smacking your kids and I have been the one to
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Speaker 3: discipline my children when they need it. They know what
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Speaker 3: a figure of authority looks like. But you're not going
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Speaker 3: to be able to thrust yourself into these parents' homes
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Speaker 3: and tell them that, A, they're not doing a good
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Speaker 3: job or they need to be parenting their children. That's
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Speaker 3: not going to be something that you can solve. So
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Speaker 3: now we have to deal with the fact that you
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Speaker 3: have these young kids where, particularly when it comes to
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Speaker 3: youth crime, the theft of cars is on the rise, right?
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Speaker 3: And it's exploding astronomically. And I know that people will
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Speaker 3: be the first to say that the figures of youth
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Speaker 3: offending have actually dropped in the last decade, but they
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Speaker 3: have risen in some areas. I think the focus of
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Speaker 3: conversation has to be on the fact that you have
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Speaker 3: this group of kids between the ages of 10 to
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Speaker 3: 17 who are reoffending. I'm not saying that every child
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Speaker 3: that is found guilty of a crime has to be
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Speaker 3: thrust into military service, but what we're doing right now
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Speaker 3: isn't working. So what are we going to do? The
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Speaker 3: jails are overcrowded. Reoffending is an issue. How are we
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Speaker 3: going to handle this? And for me, as I said,
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Speaker 3: I'm not expecting that the army are going to babysit them.
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Speaker 3: But if you're advocating for something like boot camps, which
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Speaker 3: is encouraging discipline and actually giving them the same types
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Speaker 3: of environments that we already have within the military. I'm
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Speaker 3: not saying they have to go off to war, but
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Speaker 3: to go off in a regimented environment and a program
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Speaker 3: that is already well established rather than having to.
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Speaker 4: And that can be a lot different than the military. But,
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Speaker 4: I mean, I applaud Chris Minns, who's now saying to
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Speaker 4: the kids they can't have as much screen time, there's
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Speaker 4: a limit on their screen time.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, but we don't have control over that when they're
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Speaker 3: going home.
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Speaker 4: I think it's an important gesture to parents as well
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Speaker 4: that the government has said... Listen, you know your child's
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Speaker 4: in trouble a lot? This could be one of the
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Speaker 4: reasons why. But the parents have got to back up
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Speaker 4: the teachers and the teachers have got to back up
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Speaker 4: the parents.
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Speaker 2: 100%.
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Speaker 4: I mean, if I was in trouble at school and
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Speaker 4: my parents were called up, the presumption of guilty.
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Speaker 2: Correct. But that doesn't.
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Speaker 3: Happen anymore, David. We've got parents.
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Speaker 2: And that's a much bigger societal problem that we.
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Speaker 3: We've got parents that are riding into schools that are
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Speaker 3: threatening to sue them.
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Speaker 5: Right?
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Speaker 3: If, you know, for speaking poorly to their children. I
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Speaker 3: don't think it's dealing with the problem that's going on
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Speaker 3: at home. Anyway, for those of you who want to
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Speaker 3: watch the grand final at home, let's move on to
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Speaker 3: other topics. And I'm talking about the NRL. You may
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Speaker 3: be faced with a very difficult prospect that you won't
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Speaker 3: have any pre-match entertainment. Oh, no, heaven forbid, will you survive?
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Speaker 3: Because what we've seen come out this week is that
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Speaker 3: the NRL Grand Final won't feature a major headline act
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Speaker 3: for its pre-game entertainment. After talks with Aussie artist Tones
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Speaker 3: and I broke down, and if you don't know Tones
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Speaker 3: and I, before we go on and talk about this,
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Speaker 3: I want you to take a listen of what her
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Speaker 3: song is that she's most well known for.
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Speaker 4: So they say, dance for me, dance for me, dance
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Speaker 4: for me, oh, oh. I've never seen anybody do the things.
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Speaker 3: You do before. So she's an ARIA award-winning artist. Now,
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Speaker 3: that particular song, Dance Monkey, went to number one in
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Speaker 3: more than 30 countries in 29, and it's been streamed
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Speaker 3: more than three and a half... billion times and Tones
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Speaker 3: and I performed that at the 2019 AFL Grand Final
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Speaker 3: and now where talks have fallen down is that the
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Speaker 3: song that she's most known for is allegedly the very
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Speaker 3: reason she doesn't want to perform that at the NRL
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Speaker 3: Grand Final for which she's been booked for. Talks fell
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Speaker 3: down because she said she didn't want to perform Dance
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Speaker 3: Monkey and now at the 11th hour They've been stuck
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Speaker 3: in a situation where they may be without any pre-match entertainment.
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Speaker 3: I do know that Shannon Knowles, another Australian artist, has
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Speaker 3: put his hand up and volunteered his services. But Dance
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Speaker 3: Monkey is no monkey, Caleb. How will people cope?
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Speaker 2: It's not going to bother me that there's no Dance Monkey,
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Speaker 2: I have to say, because it's a bloody awful song
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Speaker 2: as far as I'm concerned. But I think it's quite interesting.
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Speaker 2: I mean, look, you know, pre-match entertainment has been part
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Speaker 2: of the AFL and NRL grand finals history. since sort
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Speaker 2: of the late 80s, early 90s, right? That's when it
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Speaker 2: really started kicking off. But Peter Volandes, who is at
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Speaker 2: the moment running the NRL, he says, actually, we don't
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Speaker 2: need it. We don't need any pre-match entertainment. People aren't
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Speaker 2: coming for that. They're coming for the footy.
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Speaker 5: Because it costs between $ 1 million and $ 1. 5 million when
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Speaker 5: you add production for 11 minutes. And people come to
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Speaker 5: our game for our game, for the entertainment of rugby league.
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Speaker 5: not for 11 minutes of pop concert. If you want
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Speaker 5: to go to a pop concert, you buy a ticket
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Speaker 5: to go to a pop concert.
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Speaker 2: Now, look, I get what he's saying, but I still
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Speaker 2: think it's part of the theatre of the grand final
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Speaker 2: to have pre-match entertainment.
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Speaker 4: You're right. I mean, I'm team Vlandys. Peter, I'm on
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Speaker 4: your side. You know every step of the way. However,
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Speaker 4: I have to admit, when you mentioned before... a dance monkey.
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Speaker 4: I just assumed we were getting Daydream Believer. LAUGHTER My
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Speaker 4: dad will be up there looking down from heaven.
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Speaker 2: Loving it?
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Speaker 4: thinking that monkeys have come to Australia and a couple
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Speaker 4: of them might have been resurrected. So I'm showing my age.
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Speaker 2: I'd much prefer that.
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Speaker 4: I would much prefer it.
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Speaker 3: So would I.
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Speaker 4: But, Caleb, you're right. I mean, we have got a
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Speaker 4: great tradition in making sure our elite athletes... And our
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Speaker 4: elite sporting events have got some sort of celebration of
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Speaker 4: the arts alongside them. I think we might have my
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Speaker 4: favourite Tina Turner from my very, very early days watching
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Speaker 4: NRL Grand Finals. Back in the days when you could
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Speaker 4: celebrate smoking a cigarette.
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Speaker 2: I know.
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Speaker 4: He doesn't remember the Winfield Cup. However, it hasn't always
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Speaker 4: been a success story. Remember this Billy Idol incident.
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Speaker 2: Just wait for some power.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, well, as a Paramount Reels supporter, I'm still waiting for.
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Speaker 2: Some of that.
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Speaker 4: But I think we've got to really accept the fact that,
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Speaker 4: you know, people pay a lot of money for this. And,
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Speaker 4: you know, I've taken, you know, my wife and the
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Speaker 4: kids and we've... It has been a... It's more than
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Speaker 4: just a football game. It is a celebration of the arts.
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Speaker 4: I'm only ever offended when they go with some international
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Speaker 4: act that I've never even heard of, with the exception
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Speaker 4: of the Monkees, who I think may hopefully be a starter. But, Peter,
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Speaker 4: you know what? please don't rip up my tickets to
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Speaker 4: the grand final this year, but I think we should
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Speaker 4: have some sort of entertainment. It's important. You've got to
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Speaker 4: give the fans what they want.
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Speaker 2: And I think it's also part of engaging people as
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Speaker 2: well to some degree because there are a lot of
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Speaker 2: people who watch the grand final of either code who
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Speaker 2: aren't particularly, you know, long-term followers of the game. They
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Speaker 2: don't watch every week. They may not even have a
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Speaker 2: team that they particularly support. But, you know, they turn
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Speaker 2: it on because it's the grand final and they're going
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Speaker 2: to have a look at it because it's an Australian
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Speaker 2: thing to do. And I think having a bit of
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Speaker 2: entertainment in there in the form of music engages a
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Speaker 2: few other people as well, doesn't it?
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Speaker 3: Look, I'm not going to be a wet blanket, but
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Speaker 3: for goodness sake, as a purist, I'm going there to
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Speaker 3: watch the actual spectacle of the sporting event. That's fine
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Speaker 3: that you feel like... I mean, that Tina Turner one,
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Speaker 3: that was amazing. That was something that G'd you up
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Speaker 3: before the game started. But now we've got these international acts.
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Speaker 3: I mean, Dance Monkey, Dance Monkey, if that went on,
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Speaker 3: how many people would be sitting there feeling like, yeah,
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Speaker 3: I'm really buzzing for this game, can't wait for this
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Speaker 3: to kick off? I mean, Volandes is right in saying
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Speaker 3: if you want to go to a concert and that's
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Speaker 3: what you're expecting, go to a concert and buy a
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Speaker 3: ticket for that. But now what we're seeing also is
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Speaker 3: that a lot of these acts... And bear in mind,
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Speaker 3: I covered sport. That was my previous life before I
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Speaker 3: got into hanging out with you fine gentlemen. So many
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Speaker 3: of these grand finals that I went to, the musical
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Speaker 3: acts were really a letdown. They were... They were pretty disappointing,
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Speaker 3: pretty bang average. And if you look now, because this
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Speaker 3: digital era has totally consumed everybody, more often than not,
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Speaker 3: people are on their phones. They're not even engaging. They're
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Speaker 3: not really listening. Go and have a look at the
17:56
Speaker 3: comments that flooded several of the past musical acts that
17:59
Speaker 3: we've had across both the NRL and the AFL. Fans
18:02
Speaker 3: are constantly panning them. They're uninterested. They don't really care.
18:06
Speaker 3: So for mine, is it that devastating now that this
18:09
Speaker 3: has fallen over? Not really. He said rather than pay
18:11
Speaker 3: someone $ 90, 000 a minute... Because that's what it works out
18:15
Speaker 3: to be. Some of these sets, previously they last about 10,
18:18
Speaker 3: 11 or 12 minutes. Kid Leroy I think was 12 minutes.
18:21
Speaker 3: You do the maths on that, $ 90, 000 a minute, that's $ 900, 000.
18:26
Speaker 3: I would rather you actually pump that money back into
18:29
Speaker 3: the grassroots, which is what needs it the most. So
18:31
Speaker 3: I don't think it's necessarily the NRL's fault that she's
18:35
Speaker 3: decided to pull out because she doesn't want to perform
18:37
Speaker 3: the only song she's known for. Is it that big
18:39
Speaker 3: a deal?
18:40
Speaker 4: Look at the opening ceremonies at the Olympics and the
18:42
Speaker 4: closing ceremonies.
18:42
Speaker 3: Oh, this is the NRL grand final. It's not the Olympics.
18:45
Speaker 4: Well, then bring on Jimmy Barnes.
18:49
Speaker 2: I have to say that. So the AFL grand final 2022, right,
18:53
Speaker 2: So this was the first one back with a crowd
18:56
Speaker 2: after COVID. They secured Robbie Williams. And I was living
19:00
Speaker 2: and working in Melbourne at the time. And Robbie Williams
19:02
Speaker 2: coming out performing at the AFL Grand Final was a
19:05
Speaker 2: really big Melbourne moment because after years of being hammered
19:10
Speaker 2: by Daniel Andrews and lockdowns, it was a moment where
19:13
Speaker 2: everyone kind of went, we are back.
19:15
Speaker 3: We are back. Yeah, but are you talking about when
19:18
Speaker 3: the game finishes, right, full-time whistle blows, are we talking
19:21
Speaker 3: about the musical act or are we talking about the game? No,
19:25
Speaker 3: but realistically, I mean, we love that Tina Turner one,
19:28
Speaker 3: but how many more? Well, that's true too. That's true too.
19:32
Speaker 3: I just don't think it's that big of a deal.
19:35
Speaker 4: Hopefully they'll get the monkeys to play. We have got...
19:39
Speaker 4: I'm sick of the left-wing media, sick of them, because
19:42
Speaker 4: they keep making me defend Barnaby Joyce. And that's not
19:46
Speaker 4: what I'm here for. I'm not here to defend Barnaby Joyce.
19:49
Speaker 4: but I'm finding I have to. This poor bugger, if
19:51
Speaker 4: he had cured cancer, they'd be complaining that he didn't
19:56
Speaker 4: do it quick enough. Here's what he's had to defend
19:59
Speaker 4: himself for this week. Apparently he was seen in a
20:03
Speaker 4: casino in Canberra with a mate of his, And some
20:07
Speaker 4: neo-Nazis who he had no exposure to at all, no
20:10
Speaker 4: reason to know who they were, came up to him.
20:12
Speaker 4: This is what Barnaby had to say in his own defence.
20:15
Speaker 2: The story that they're running around is that I arrived
20:17
Speaker 2: with them. That's a lie.
20:18
Speaker 4: There was an organised meeting with them. That's a lie.
20:21
Speaker 4: I left with them. That's a lie. Did I actually
20:24
Speaker 4: even know who they were when they came up? No,
20:26
Speaker 4: I didn't. My family fought against the fascists. Don't want
20:30
Speaker 4: anything to do with them at all. I mean, yes,
20:36
Speaker 4: Barnaby is a flawed individual. We all know that, but
20:39
Speaker 4: then again, aren't we all? But for the left-wing media
20:43
Speaker 4: to continue to hound him about stupid stuff, as he said,
20:47
Speaker 4: it is quite insulting when you consider that his family
20:49
Speaker 4: did fight the Nazis. For his family to have to
20:53
Speaker 4: justify his existence and for him to have to justify
20:56
Speaker 4: somebody who he spoke to in the street... I walked
20:58
Speaker 4: past a Communist Party member once. I didn't know who
21:00
Speaker 4: they were.
21:01
Speaker 3: You commie!
21:02
Speaker 4: And now, apparently, all the left-wing media think that I'm
21:05
Speaker 4: a communist.
21:06
Speaker 2: I even watched Gardening Australia when Peter Cundall was on it.
21:10
Speaker 2: And Peter Cundall was a communist. He ran as a
21:13
Speaker 2: candidate for the Communist Party in Tasmania.
21:15
Speaker 4: Well, that's right. But this reminds me, you know that book,
21:17
Speaker 4: The Crucible? Remember the book, The Crucible, we all studied?
21:20
Speaker 4: And McCarthyism. This is where we're going with the left-wing
21:24
Speaker 4: media at the moment. And it's an expansion of... of
21:27
Speaker 4: the pro-Palestinian movement, as far as I'm concerned. Anybody that
21:31
Speaker 4: doesn't embrace the Palestinian movement, anybody that doesn't condemn One Nation, apparently,
21:38
Speaker 4: you know, you're up there with Goody Proctor in the
21:42
Speaker 4: crucible and you're going to have to be answerable to
21:45
Speaker 4: your actions. Lucy, your family came from a country where
21:48
Speaker 4: this sort of behaviour was not tolerated.
21:51
Speaker 3: No, absolutely not. But I find it very interesting, just
21:54
Speaker 3: if you kind of cast your mind back to the
21:56
Speaker 3: last couple of weeks, even as recently as Monday where
22:01
Speaker 3: we saw all these reports from Channel 9 where they'd
22:03
Speaker 3: gone on to... interview the Grand Wizard, who is also
22:07
Speaker 3: the director of the KKK. That's what they call themselves.
22:10
Speaker 3: Just to make it clear, that's not me.
22:12
Speaker 2: Imagine calling yourself the Grand Wizard. Oh my God, seriously.
22:14
Speaker 2: I mean, you ought to be taken seriously. I like
22:15
Speaker 2: the witch, but I'm not the Grand Wizard.
22:17
Speaker 3: No, but it just, it seems to me there is
22:20
Speaker 3: this real coordinated attempt now, right? They're trying everything. And
22:24
Speaker 3: I say that with respect to the Coalition as well
22:26
Speaker 3: as the Labor Party. Now, Even the media outlets doing
22:29
Speaker 3: everything that they can to smear and trash the One
22:33
Speaker 3: Nation reputation and their branding and their name because they're
22:37
Speaker 3: rising in the polls. They can see that regardless of
22:40
Speaker 3: what mud they sling at them, it's not sticking. And
22:42
Speaker 3: in fact, it's actually emboldening the One Nation movement. But
22:45
Speaker 3: in this regard now, this is really quite sinister to
22:48
Speaker 3: try and associate them with neo-Nazis. Barnaby Joyce came out
22:52
Speaker 3: and had some very strong words to say about them.
22:55
Speaker 3: He condemned them as well, said there himself that his
22:58
Speaker 3: family fought against fascists. I think he referred to them
23:01
Speaker 3: as freaks, this particular group. So the way that the
23:04
Speaker 3: story goes is there was a particular source that was
23:06
Speaker 3: there at the cast that night that went and tipped
23:09
Speaker 3: off Crikey, the news outlet, and had said that He
23:13
Speaker 3: had allegedly arrived there with them, was speaking with them
23:16
Speaker 3: and then left there. Crikey submitted the request to One
23:19
Speaker 3: Nation and Barnaby Joyce to see if he would respond.
23:23
Speaker 3: He decided to get on the front foot. He went
23:25
Speaker 3: and spoke to James Willis, who's filling in for Ben
23:27
Speaker 3: Fordham at 2GB, spoke to News 24 and the story
23:30
Speaker 3: also appeared in the Sydney Morning Herald to try and get...
23:33
Speaker 3: ahead of this, right, and now Crikey are almost condemning
23:36
Speaker 3: him for not responding to them but going out and
23:39
Speaker 3: trying to speak to everybody else because he knows how
23:42
Speaker 3: this is going to look. The entirety of the allegations
23:45
Speaker 3: were put to him that he arrived there with them,
23:47
Speaker 3: et cetera. He knows what they're trying to do. He
23:50
Speaker 3: doesn't owe them an explanation because he knows exactly where
23:52
Speaker 3: they're going. If we had more media outlets committed to
23:55
Speaker 3: telling the truth rather than running an agenda and smear
23:59
Speaker 3: campaigns against political opponents they disagreed with, we would be
24:02
Speaker 3: a lot better off within the fourth estate in this country.
24:05
Speaker 2: I think it's pretty silly too, by the way. And
24:08
Speaker 2: I should also note that one of the guys who
24:09
Speaker 2: was in this group, Thomas Sewell, who used to be
24:12
Speaker 2: headed up the National Socialist Network, now he's involved with
24:16
Speaker 2: the White Australia Party, which has been banned as a
24:18
Speaker 2: hate group, and the reason they were in Canberra is
24:21
Speaker 2: because there was a hearing at the High Court about
24:23
Speaker 2: whether or not it was legitimate to be classified as
24:26
Speaker 2: a hate group. And he himself has confirmed Barnaby's version
24:29
Speaker 2: of events. This was in the SMH. Sewell confirmed to
24:32
Speaker 2: this masthead that he bumped into Joyce and the MP's
24:35
Speaker 2: friend by happenstance. while he and his group were having
24:38
Speaker 2: a few drinks in Canberra to cool off after a
24:40
Speaker 2: lengthy two day hearing. So a member of parliament is
24:44
Speaker 2: in a public place having a drink or whatever with
24:48
Speaker 2: a mate and a person in public comes up and
24:51
Speaker 2: has a chat with him. It was, by all accounts,
24:54
Speaker 2: a very short conversation during which Sewell and his mates
24:59
Speaker 2: were carrying on about some Pauline Hanson and how they
25:02
Speaker 2: didn't like her or something was what Barnaby said. He said,
25:04
Speaker 2: I cut the conversation off, they walked away and that
25:06
Speaker 2: was the end of it. I mean, as a politician, David,
25:09
Speaker 2: how many people would have come up and said something
25:12
Speaker 2: to you that if it was later put to you, well,
25:15
Speaker 2: you know, the associations of that person, you would have said, well,
25:18
Speaker 2: I'm an MP. I mean, people come up and talk
25:20
Speaker 2: to me all the time.
25:21
Speaker 4: Unfortunately, we've had MPs that have had to resign because
25:24
Speaker 4: they did make representations or they did speak to somebody
25:27
Speaker 4: that was taken out of contests. And it's awful because...
25:30
Speaker 4: In Australian politics, in the Westminster tradition, every man has
25:33
Speaker 4: a right to petition the king, which basically means that
25:35
Speaker 4: if you're... Just because you don't like your member of
25:38
Speaker 4: parliament or your member of parliament doesn't like you, you've
25:40
Speaker 4: got to entertain their views, you've got to entertain their representations,
25:43
Speaker 4: you've got to consider their opinions. But I suppose my
25:47
Speaker 4: message to the campaigners in the media against One Nation,
25:51
Speaker 4: I'll give you a little history lesson. In 1999, I
25:54
Speaker 4: was running the No Republic campaign and we were set
25:57
Speaker 4: to lose... It was going to be Australia was going
25:59
Speaker 4: to be a republic. We were destined to be a republic.
26:02
Speaker 4: Malcolm Turnbull had told everybody we were going to be
26:04
Speaker 4: a republic. The media went to war against the royal family.
26:07
Speaker 4: It was one of the most successful campaigns this country
26:09
Speaker 4: has ever seen and it's never been seen since. So my,
26:14
Speaker 4: you know, Barnaby, I'd be telling the media keep going
26:18
Speaker 4: because unfortunately for my side of politics, your side is
26:21
Speaker 4: going to benefit.
26:22
Speaker 2: I think people see through it and it's this sort
26:24
Speaker 2: of stuff that just drives people into the hands of
26:26
Speaker 2: One Nation because they go, well, If they're going after them,
26:29
Speaker 2: it really means they're coming after me. It's exactly the
26:31
Speaker 2: same as what happened to Trump.
26:32
Speaker 3: But I'll tell you what, as another point to all
26:34
Speaker 3: of this, wouldn't they have, you know, when I look
26:37
Speaker 3: at the hypocrisy and just the ridiculousness of it all,
26:40
Speaker 3: they didn't give that much of a stuff when you
26:42
Speaker 3: had Labor MPs down in Victoria writing character references for
26:45
Speaker 3: people that had committed sexual assault, over 30 of them,
26:48
Speaker 3: without being as rigorous. But now you're desperately trying to
26:51
Speaker 3: link them to neo-Nazis as this last-ditch attempt to kind
26:55
Speaker 3: of rubbish them in the polls. Good luck.
26:57
Speaker 2: I think desperate is the operative word there. I mentioned
27:00
Speaker 2: Trump a minute ago. GC's been off at the UN overnight.
27:03
Speaker 2: They're having their General Assembly meeting at the moment. All
27:06
Speaker 2: sorts of interesting things happening, of course, at the General Assembly.
27:10
Speaker 2: Donald Trump caught up with our Prime Minister, Anthony Albanese,
27:13
Speaker 2: also on the sidelines of This event, Anthony Albanese has
27:16
Speaker 2: accepted an award from the Atlantic Council for being a
27:20
Speaker 2: global citizen, so good on to him. Actually, he joins
27:23
Speaker 2: the ranks of Quincy Jones in having such an honour,
27:26
Speaker 2: would you believe it? But out of Trump's speech to
27:29
Speaker 2: the UN overnight, which was wide-ranging, as Trump's speeches often are,
27:34
Speaker 2: he's now decided artificial intelligence isn't artificial intelligence anymore. He's
27:39
Speaker 2: just decided to unilaterally rename it.
27:43
Speaker 1: From this point forward, all of United States documents and
27:46
Speaker 1: hopefully the world's will be changed to use the much
27:49
Speaker 1: more accurate term super as opposed to artificial. So it's
27:56
Speaker 1: super intelligence. Welcome to the new world of super intelligence.
28:02
Speaker 2: Super intelligence. Now, we had a couple of weeks ago
28:06
Speaker 2: the Robot Olympics, which was, you know, these artificial intelligence
28:10
Speaker 2: powered robots in China that were showing off their work.
28:14
Speaker 2: I mean, you know, this is super intelligence. It's the
28:31
Speaker 2: super intelligence revolution. And seriously, though, I'm not sure I
28:37
Speaker 2: like the idea of AI being renamed to super intelligence,
28:41
Speaker 2: because I think we do have to be genuine about
28:43
Speaker 2: the fact that it is artificial, it's not a human brain,
28:47
Speaker 2: and calling it superintelligence, I think, A, denigrates human intelligence
28:52
Speaker 2: because it says, well, there's actually something even better than
28:54
Speaker 2: that out there, but it also perhaps gives it a
28:57
Speaker 2: life of its own that it doesn't deserve.
28:59
Speaker 4: It does. I mean, you've got superintelligence, now you've got superglue, superman, superannuation. I.
29:06
Speaker 4: Just because the president wants to change the name of
29:09
Speaker 4: it doesn't mean it's going to change the.
29:13
Speaker 4: Ridiculously different world that we're going to be inheriting as
29:17
Speaker 4: a result of artificial intelligence. But I looked at that
29:22
Speaker 4: wonderful robot that lifted the weight. And I remember that
29:25
Speaker 4: movie Westworld. Remember that movie Westworld with the actor that
29:30
Speaker 4: I've now forgotten? Yul Brynner, I think it was.
29:33
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was Yul Brynner.
29:34
Speaker 4: And all the robots went pastry and they started shooting
29:37
Speaker 4: everybody and killing everybody. That's what's going to happen. ladies
29:40
Speaker 4: and gentlemen. Be very careful. Don't worry about superannuation. Don't
29:43
Speaker 4: worry about superglue. It's superintelligence that's going to come and
29:46
Speaker 4: get us.
29:47
Speaker 3: I just think in a situation where you've got Americans
29:51
Speaker 3: who are earning over $ 155, 000 saying that they feel working
29:54
Speaker 3: class is their gas prices, living standards, conditions, wage stagnation,
30:00
Speaker 3: a war that many of them are against. When those
30:04
Speaker 3: are the real issues and this is what you're concerning
30:06
Speaker 3: yourself with, it just feels pretty dumb.
30:09
Speaker 4: He's completely preoccupied with names. Yeah, and names... And it's
30:12
Speaker 4: very superficial. Pardon the pun.
30:14
Speaker 3: Yeah, and just things that obviously don't really matter to
30:18
Speaker 3: the American people at this point in time.
30:20
Speaker 2: Also, it does concern me that, you know, he slapped down...
30:24
Speaker 2: One of the few good things I think that the
30:26
Speaker 2: Prime Minister has done at the UN has to say
30:29
Speaker 2: we actually need some kind of global order when it
30:32
Speaker 2: comes to artificial intelligence and agree to some ground rules
30:35
Speaker 2: about how this stuff works. Because it could be exceedingly
30:39
Speaker 2: dangerous for the world. And Trump, and I understand where
30:42
Speaker 2: he's coming from, because he's looking at China and going, well,
30:45
Speaker 2: China doesn't give a toss. They'll just do whatever they want. Well,
30:48
Speaker 2: I think that's who he's worried about. Exactly. Correct, he is.
30:51
Speaker 2: And so his attitude just seems to be then, well,
30:54
Speaker 2: we will do whatever we want as well because we've
30:56
Speaker 2: got to beat China. But it's kind of a race
30:58
Speaker 2: to the bottom, I fear. And we've got to be
31:01
Speaker 2: real about that.
31:02
Speaker 3: And how many times are we actually going to agree
31:04
Speaker 3: with a Labor Premier in this instance in the form
31:07
Speaker 3: of Milonowskis, right, who I support in calling for a
31:10
Speaker 3: Royal Commission and actually looking to explore the potential safety issues?
31:13
Speaker 4: We've been very slow.
31:14
Speaker 3: I mean, we have been so slow. I hate how
31:16
Speaker 3: reactive we can be in these circumstances when we should
31:19
Speaker 3: be forward thinking, when we should be actually showing some insight.
31:23
Speaker 3: Now that we have all of these learnings post the
31:25
Speaker 3: social media era and the damage that it's done to
31:27
Speaker 3: our children, put some guardrails up, have some concerns around that.
31:30
Speaker 3: Trump's calling them conspiracy theorists.
31:32
Speaker 4: We did with the internet.
31:33
Speaker 3: And rubbishing it all. It's really quite silly. I want
31:36
Speaker 3: to move on to another story, though, coming out of Queensland.
31:39
Speaker 3: It's not often that you hear the name Stephen Miles, right?
31:43
Speaker 3: I didn't even know that the bloke was still in politics,
31:45
Speaker 3: quite frankly. You rarely see his name pop up in
31:47
Speaker 3: a headline. But he's used this, I have to say,
31:50
Speaker 3: a fair crack and this is an opportunity to have
31:52
Speaker 3: a go at the Chrissie Fooley government. He's accused the
31:57
Speaker 3: state government of hiding behind tender processes after Premier David
32:00
Speaker 3: Chrissie Fooley revealed taxpayers would not receive regular updates on
32:05
Speaker 3: the cost of 2032 Olympic and Paralympic venues. The government
32:10
Speaker 3: has consistently argued that revealing project budgets during the tender
32:13
Speaker 3: process would would cost them leverage when negotiating prices whilst
32:18
Speaker 3: also assuring that venues would be delivered within the $ 7. 1
32:21
Speaker 3: billion games funding envelope. Opposition Leader Stephen Miles called that
32:26
Speaker 3: argument nonsense, saying, and I quote, if they actually believe that,
32:29
Speaker 3: then they wouldn't have been there demanding the cost estimates
32:33
Speaker 3: for all of the projects before they were tendered when
32:35
Speaker 3: they were in opposition, end quote. I do find this
32:39
Speaker 3: a little bit rich coming from Miles, particularly off the
32:41
Speaker 3: back of the Wellcamp quarantine saga where they spent hundreds
32:45
Speaker 3: of millions of taxpayer dollars. But I also then find
32:48
Speaker 3: it very interesting that Chris Afuli would take this pass
32:51
Speaker 3: of not being transparent because he He, in 2022, was
32:54
Speaker 3: very critical of the Palaszczuk Labor government for the lack
32:58
Speaker 3: of transparency around the Wellcamp facility there. So it's a
33:02
Speaker 3: very interesting line for him to take, because if this
33:06
Speaker 3: was the Labor government, his government would be smashing them.
33:10
Speaker 4: He'd be screaming blue murder. Listen, I mean, I've never
33:12
Speaker 4: been one in favour of government secrets. In fact, Gladys
33:17
Speaker 4: used to say, television, telegraph and tell David. I didn't
33:21
Speaker 4: like government secrets. But there are reasons why there are
33:26
Speaker 4: government secrets, and one of them comes to commercial incompetence. I,
33:30
Speaker 4: for the life of me, can't see how that applies here. Obviously,
33:33
Speaker 4: anything to do with national security, that sometimes has to
33:37
Speaker 4: be kept a secret. But I don't see the sense
33:40
Speaker 4: in why, unless there's a commercial incompetence reason for us
33:45
Speaker 4: not to know, which I just cannot... For the life
33:47
Speaker 4: of me, as someone who's worked in engineering construction, I
33:50
Speaker 4: can't see where that's happened. And, of course, the beauty
33:52
Speaker 4: about Christopher Lee is you just blame the last bloke.
33:55
Speaker 4: I don't know why he's letting Miles get away with
33:57
Speaker 4: throwing rocks at him because any self-respecting first-term government blames
34:02
Speaker 4: the last bloke.
34:03
Speaker 2: Isn't that what we're called, though? We deserve to know.
34:08
Speaker 2: It's like, We're sitting here in New South Wales. We're
34:11
Speaker 2: not contributing. I mean, there will be some federal money.
34:14
Speaker 2: I'm sure we'll be going into it as well. But
34:17
Speaker 2: the taxpayers of Queensland are paying for these projects. Thank you.
34:21
Speaker 2: It's their money. So do they not deserve to know, A,
34:26
Speaker 2: how their money is being spent... and, B, how much
34:29
Speaker 2: of it is being spent. I can't see any reason
34:31
Speaker 2: not to have transparency on that.
34:33
Speaker 3: I couldn't agree more. Here's the quote that he said
34:35
Speaker 3: in a 2022 Queensland Parliament speech. And honest budget would
34:39
Speaker 3: show that. Instead, Queenslanders are left with a budget paper
34:42
Speaker 3: stamped with commercial incompetence over that section. Meanwhile, he's got
34:46
Speaker 3: that commercial incompetence stamp and he's doing.
34:48
Speaker 4: This all over the place. There may be a reason.
34:51
Speaker 4: But he really should come out and say why he
34:53
Speaker 4: can't release the information.
34:54
Speaker 3: Yes.
34:55
Speaker 4: He's just exposing himself to unnecessary secrets. We can finish
34:59
Speaker 4: off with a terrible story about a grandmother, a former teacher,
35:03
Speaker 4: who's been bullied by her government. Let's have a look
35:06
Speaker 4: at this story. It's come out of the BBC. And,
35:09
Speaker 4: of course, the grandmother, Helen Ball, who's 81 years old.
35:16
Speaker 4: And she had been bullied by her local council because
35:19
Speaker 4: she opposed some Lego-like bricks. Now, I must say, this
35:24
Speaker 4: nearly inspired me to go back into politics because I
35:26
Speaker 4: hate it. I hate it when governments bully people. My
35:30
Speaker 4: mother-in-law is 81 years old. If a councillor behaved like
35:33
Speaker 4: that with her, I would have gone and I would
35:35
Speaker 4: have done something very, very nasty to the pictures of
35:38
Speaker 4: the mayor on the wall in the town hall. We
35:41
Speaker 4: need to make sure that we treat our elderly more respectfully,
35:44
Speaker 4: but we can't let government bullies people rise up. That's
35:47
Speaker 4: what I tell you, rise up.
35:48
Speaker 2: It's so pathetic. I mean, she had a little walkway
35:51
Speaker 2: out of her property onto the council land. The council
35:53
Speaker 2: comes on and puts a fence in front of it.
35:55
Speaker 3: Are you sure this isn't happening in Queensland, down in, sorry, Victoria?
35:59
Speaker 2: Oh, look, it could happen anywhere. But then she wins
36:01
Speaker 2: a court case to get rid of the fence and
36:02
Speaker 2: then they go and put those bollard things in.
36:04
Speaker 4: It's crazy.
36:05
Speaker 2: It's just, seriously. I was saying this last night about councils.
36:08
Speaker 2: These council officers get a life. If you're the sort
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Speaker 2: of person going around putting a fence in front of
36:13
Speaker 2: someone's gate to get out of their property, come on, please.
36:17
Speaker 2: After the break, we'll have a look at tomorrow's papers.
36:19
Speaker 2: In Melbourne, the Victorian government, they want pubs to be
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Speaker 2: able to stay open till 3am. What a hoot! Don't
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Speaker 2: go away. During the break, Lucy said, quote, unquote, she
36:34
Speaker 2: was feeling a bit hot and heavy with the boys.
36:37
Speaker 2: She's complaining it's a bit warm in here. Must be us, Dave.
36:40
Speaker 4: Well, I have this effect on women.
36:43
Speaker 3: Look, lads, it's either you or I'm coming onto the
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Speaker 3: peri-menopausal horizon.
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Speaker 2: I don't know.
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Speaker 3: I'm going to be 40 in November. I'm an old
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Speaker 3: goat now. You put me on the shelf and forget
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Speaker 3: about it.
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Speaker 2: You're not quite there yet, Lucy. I think it's just
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Speaker 2: us radiating hotness into this room. All right, let's take
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Speaker 2: a look at tomorrow's front pages, shall we? On the
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Speaker 2: front of the Courier Mail, this is not so crash hot,
37:05
Speaker 2: brace for Jim Pact. Treasurer Jim Chalmers has laid the
37:08
Speaker 2: groundwork for a dire federal budget update, warning of billions
37:12
Speaker 2: in extra cost to service debt. Government borrowing surpassed a
37:15
Speaker 2: trillion dollars last month and interest repayments costs are now
37:19
Speaker 2: the fastest growing area of government spending. Mr Chalmers said
37:22
Speaker 2: skyrocketing bond yields effectively the interest rate on public debt.
37:26
Speaker 2: were increasing globally, by which he's basically telling us when
37:30
Speaker 2: we hand down the MAIFO in a couple of months,
37:33
Speaker 2: it ain't going to be looking good, David.
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Speaker 4: Do you know, I remember 25 years ago waking up
37:38
Speaker 4: on that wonderful morning when Peter Costello announced that we
37:41
Speaker 4: had no debt.
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Speaker 5: Debt free.
37:42
Speaker 4: We'd paid it off. And I was in my early 30s.
37:46
Speaker 4: I had two little boys in prams and I thought,
37:49
Speaker 4: we're leaving a wonderful country. Wonderful country for these two
37:53
Speaker 4: little boys.
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Speaker 3: Was Nicole working at the time, your wife?
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Speaker 4: No, no, I don't think she was working at the time.
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Speaker 4: So we had two little kids and a stay-at-home mum
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Speaker 4: and a mortgage in the suburbs of Sydney. And it
38:05
Speaker 4: gave me a great deal of confidence, a great deal
38:08
Speaker 4: of confidence to work, to invest. And now I worry
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Speaker 4: about my sons. What have we left our kids?
38:16
Speaker 3: I know. Look, if a bloke like my dad can
38:18
Speaker 3: come to this country in 1968 on a boat with
38:21
Speaker 3: eight bucks in his pocket and turn it into, you know,
38:24
Speaker 3: his own modest building empire, he's since retired, and he
38:28
Speaker 3: could make it, then anyone could make it. That was
38:31
Speaker 3: always my view in this country.
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Speaker 4: You had this thing called a work ethic.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, of course, a work ethic. But also there was
38:36
Speaker 3: that reward for said work ethic. Now people are taking
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Speaker 3: on multiple jobs and feeling like they can't make ends meet.
38:42
Speaker 3: That's the problem, that dream, that ambition for prosperity. It's
38:46
Speaker 3: just not there anymore.
38:48
Speaker 4: So the Daily Telegraph, front page, they've ripped one off
38:53
Speaker 4: a 1960s spy novel, The Pullman Five Arrive. So the
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Speaker 4: Sydney Swans, ladies and gentlemen, have seemed to have already
39:03
Speaker 4: commenced the journey of rehabilitation and they've apologised for their bender.
39:10
Speaker 4: which is quite extraordinary. And they have now come back
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Speaker 4: to face the wrath of the club. So this is
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Speaker 4: probably the saddest chapter in the series of Sydney Swans chapters.
39:26
Speaker 4: And I feel sorry for the supporters. And in fact,
39:28
Speaker 4: you know, I've even been at work and at functions
39:31
Speaker 4: where people have just... They're quite devastated, the Swans supporters,
39:34
Speaker 4: about the way that their brand has been damaged because
39:37
Speaker 4: the Swans' behaviour always seemed to be above that. They
39:40
Speaker 4: were like... they were always seen as people that were
39:44
Speaker 4: reliable for the brand. And, I mean, I don't follow
39:47
Speaker 4: the AFL as much as you do, Caleb, but I've always... Obviously,
39:51
Speaker 4: as a Sydney side, I had a soft spot for
39:52
Speaker 4: the Swans, and we, pardon the pun, kicked goals at
39:56
Speaker 4: a time when they told us that the game would
39:59
Speaker 4: never take off in Sydney, and it did. And now
40:02
Speaker 4: we've got two teams. But it's a very, very sad
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Speaker 4: state of affairs that... that we have to read a
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Speaker 4: headline in the Daily Telegraph that the Swans are, quote, scandal-plagued.
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Speaker 3: Is it really, though? This feels like a bit of
40:14
Speaker 3: a beat-up, doesn't it? See, the thing is.
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Speaker 2: Devastated and heartbroken.
40:18
Speaker 3: Like, people are committing crimes, and we're not saying... I
40:21
Speaker 3: don't want to say that they've committed any.
40:23
Speaker 2: Crimes, right? We don't know yet.
40:24
Speaker 3: Everything's been alleged exactly.
40:25
Speaker 2: Because the police... I think we've got another four weeks
40:28
Speaker 2: to wait or something until we get another statement.
40:30
Speaker 3: But, like, people... People are mucking up and doing silly
40:32
Speaker 3: things in every line of employment. Like, to treat these...
40:35
Speaker 3: And this is coming from the wife of a former
40:37
Speaker 3: professional footballer and the sister of former professional footballers who've
40:41
Speaker 3: represented their countries at various levels. This elevation of these
40:44
Speaker 3: sports stars on this platform... Oh, my God, we're so devastated, heartbroken.
40:48
Speaker 3: They're boys. They mucked up. Well, that's... They did something
40:51
Speaker 3: really silly. But to pretend that every sporting brand is
40:54
Speaker 3: immune from some type of controversial scandal... That just is
40:58
Speaker 3: not going to exist.
40:59
Speaker 4: Well, you never saw Shane Warne behave... Oh, actually, sorry
41:02
Speaker 4: for that remark. But, Lucy, we talked earlier about the
41:04
Speaker 4: behaviour of children. And why? Because they've got players like
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Speaker 4: this as their heroes.
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Speaker 3: No, no, no. I don't stop sports stars in the
41:12
Speaker 3: street and say, thank you for your service. I stop
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Speaker 3: our ADF servicemen and women and my children, though, to
41:17
Speaker 3: say thank you for your service. And thank you for
41:19
Speaker 3: your service too, Mr Elliott. You are the heroes, not
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Speaker 3: the sports stars.
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Speaker 4: Did you hear that, Nicole?
41:24
Speaker 2: I'm the hero. LAUGHTER What else is on the front
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Speaker 2: of the Daily Telegraph tomorrow?
41:30
Speaker 4: Well, it's going to be an interesting day because the
41:32
Speaker 4: Telegraph have also got to make sure that they maintain
41:35
Speaker 4: the rage when it comes to the love of rock
41:40
Speaker 4: and roll. And we saw, of course, Angry Anderson pass
41:45
Speaker 4: away only a few hours ago. And the Daily Telegraph
41:50
Speaker 4: has got a great reputation in supporting our live music scene,
41:54
Speaker 4: and I think they'll be paying a wonderful tribute to...
41:57
Speaker 4: to a rock and roll star. And I made the
41:59
Speaker 4: point early this evening that I grew up on the
42:02
Speaker 4: hard rock of Australia that Angry Anderson personified. But I
42:06
Speaker 4: do remember that song, Suddenly, that he was able to...
42:09
Speaker 4: You know, a great artist can diversify. And yes, of course,
42:15
Speaker 4: you know, it was for Kylie's wedding with Jason in Neighbours.
42:20
Speaker 4: But let's not delve on that because we'll talk about
42:23
Speaker 4: Kylie in a moment.
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Speaker 2: Well, indeed. We have a clip here of that great song.
42:42
Speaker 4: Now, if you'd told me that Angry Anderson could put
42:45
Speaker 4: a ballad together like that when I was in my
42:47
Speaker 4: early teens... headbanging in Bankstown, I would have giggled at you.
42:53
Speaker 4: But he did it and we've lost a rock and
42:56
Speaker 4: roll legend and we've lost what I believe, you know,
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Speaker 4: because we shared the same barber, Angry Anderson and I.
43:02
Speaker 4: He was a romantic.
43:05
Speaker 3: Rest well and beautifully, Angry Anderson. And I would have
43:09
Speaker 3: paid good money to see you banging your head over
43:10
Speaker 3: in Western Sydney. On the front page of The Herald Sun,
43:13
Speaker 3: we'll take a look at an exclusive of the Premier's
43:15
Speaker 3: green light to keep doors open and drinks flowing into
43:18
Speaker 3: early hours. He's got to do what he can to
43:21
Speaker 3: stay in the top.
43:22
Speaker 2: Job, right?
43:23
Speaker 3: Victoria's nightlife is set for a boost. with the state
43:25
Speaker 3: government to unveil new fast-track licences that will give pubs
43:28
Speaker 3: the green light to keep their doors open. Until 3am,
43:31
Speaker 3: the move is set to be popular with punters but
43:34
Speaker 3: fuel tensions with neighbours amid fears of anti-social behaviour. Oh, no,
43:38
Speaker 3: people having fun. But, yes, Ben Carroll, as I said,
43:40
Speaker 3: is doing everything that he can to stay in the
43:42
Speaker 3: top job. Another story as well, the push to block
43:45
Speaker 3: night grand finals. State opposition leader Jess Wilson is exploring
43:49
Speaker 3: the use of ministerial powers to block the staging of
43:52
Speaker 3: an AFL night grand final. The policy... being considered by
43:56
Speaker 3: senior Liberals is aimed at preserving games traditional 2.30pm start.
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Speaker 3: And you can see the full report in tomorrow's Herald Sun. Here, here,
44:04
Speaker 3: I don't like a night grand final. Keep it in
44:06
Speaker 3: the afternoons. Thank you.
44:07
Speaker 2: I reckon you could... There's an argument for maybe twilight,
44:10
Speaker 2: so there's a bit of the afternoon, a bit of
44:11
Speaker 2: the evening. And I think that the AFL is probably
44:15
Speaker 2: thinking about the fact that, you know, the NRL does
44:17
Speaker 2: theirs at night and it rates really well on television,
44:20
Speaker 2: but there'll be plenty more to come on that one.
44:22
Speaker 2: On the front of the Mercury tomorrow, down in Tassie,
44:24
Speaker 2: patients wait 2,077 days. Some Tasmanian patients are waiting nearly
44:28
Speaker 2: six years... to see a neurologist longer than it takes
44:32
Speaker 2: to complete a medical degree. Waitlists for non-urgent neurological outpatients
44:36
Speaker 2: are climbing as high as 2,077 days for northern Tasmanians
44:40
Speaker 2: with a peak medical professional body, stating that non-urgent patient
44:44
Speaker 2: risk never being seen at hospital for their conditions. That's
44:48
Speaker 2: just unbelievable, isn't it?
44:50
Speaker 4: It is unbelievable. And on the matter of health, I
44:53
Speaker 4: get to finish the wrap-up tonight on our front pages,
44:56
Speaker 4: and it isn't a happy ending. Because if you look
44:59
Speaker 4: at the Townsville Bulletin, ladies and gentlemen, it says doctors
45:04
Speaker 4: at Townsville University Hospital have raised the alarm over a
45:08
Speaker 4: surging public health crisis in northern Queensland, the highest number
45:12
Speaker 4: of syphilis cases in a decade. This is not a
45:16
Speaker 4: happy ending for the people of northern Queensland. I thought
45:20
Speaker 4: syphilis was a thing of the past. I thought it
45:22
Speaker 4: went away with, like, some of those other diseases, but...
45:25
Speaker 4: Because I know there was a relative of mine on
45:27
Speaker 4: the Western Front that got it and had a... Anyway,
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Speaker 4: that's enough. We'll go to the break now.
45:32
Speaker 2: That was hard for you to read, wasn't it, David?
45:33
Speaker 2: All right, after the break, we showed you earlier the
45:36
Speaker 2: video of that robot trying to do weights. Now they're
45:40
Speaker 2: fighting with people in shops. Wait till you see that
45:43
Speaker 2: in a minute. Now, I don't know about you, I'm
45:49
Speaker 2: not terribly proficient with a Rubik's Cube. David, what about you?
45:54
Speaker 4: Well, I'm surprised at that, Caleb, because they were invented
45:57
Speaker 4: about 30 years before you were born, and so you've
45:59
Speaker 4: had plenty of time to get used to it. Remarkably,
46:03
Speaker 4: we have a young six-year-old Chinese girl who has broken
46:07
Speaker 4: the record and been able to complete a Rubik's Cube
46:12
Speaker 4: puzzle in 19 seconds. I think we've got some footage
46:16
Speaker 4: of that. Now, she only beat me by two seconds,
46:34
Speaker 4: so I think that is quite a remarkable achievement for
46:37
Speaker 4: this young girl.
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Speaker 3: She did it in over four seconds. 4.2.
46:41
Speaker 2: Just over four seconds.
46:42
Speaker 4: Oh, sorry, she did. Yes, of course, indeed. So, I mean,
46:45
Speaker 4: I must say I'm delighted to see that young Lian
46:49
Speaker 4: Yanzu has been able to do that because, quite frankly,
46:53
Speaker 4: I thought it was a lost art. But maybe if
46:57
Speaker 4: more kids were doing Rubik's Cubes and less time on
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Speaker 4: their Facebook, we could have solved some of the problems
47:05
Speaker 4: that we've already addressed this evening.
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Speaker 2: I couldn't agree more. I'll tell you what, I hope
47:08
Speaker 2: they've got some sort of... women's cricket thing going in
47:11
Speaker 2: China because if she can move her hands like that,
47:13
Speaker 2: she's going to make a great spin bowler.
47:16
Speaker 3: On to another sport. Of course, we've been tonight talking
47:18
Speaker 3: about the AFL Grand Final and the NRL Grand Final.
47:22
Speaker 3: There always seems to be a bit of a tussle
47:23
Speaker 3: between the two when it comes to their pre-match entertainment.
47:27
Speaker 3: If they've got any. If they've got any. But the
47:29
Speaker 3: AFL have managed to secure the services of a very
47:32
Speaker 3: beloved figure in this country and Prime Minister Anthony Albanese.
47:35
Speaker 3: You'll know exactly who I'm talking about. Yes, the great
47:37
Speaker 3: Kylie Minogue. some footage of her rehearsals ahead of the
47:42
Speaker 3: all-important big dance. MUSIC PLAYS Yes, that footage courtesy of
48:03
Speaker 3: the Daily Mail and, of course, Padum Padum was one
48:05
Speaker 3: of her more recent hits and we know a lot
48:07
Speaker 3: of Kylie's songs, so many of them. I wonder if
48:10
Speaker 3: she refused, David, to perform any of them like Tones
48:13
Speaker 3: and I.
48:13
Speaker 4: No, I don't think she would have, but I think
48:15
Speaker 4: it's quite remarkable that the AFL have decided that she
48:20
Speaker 4: would be performing because doesn't the Prime Minister attend that event?
48:23
Speaker 2: No, he's not going to be there. He's overseas.
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Speaker 4: Oh, he's not coming back for it.
48:28
Speaker 2: No, no.
48:28
Speaker 4: That's why Kylie's agreed to it.
48:30
Speaker 2: And that line, I know you want to take me home,
48:31
Speaker 2: I assume that was for the Prime Minister. Now, I
48:34
Speaker 2: showed you earlier the robots, they're trying to lift weights,
48:36
Speaker 2: they can't do that. Now they're remonstrating with people in shops.
48:40
Speaker 2: Take a look at this.
48:45
Speaker 3: Please take a seat.
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Speaker 4: Look, they haven't.
49:08
Speaker 2: Mastered the art yet, but I reckon the future is
49:10
Speaker 2: scary if this is how they're going to behave.
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Speaker 3: Oh, hang on, it's super intelligent. It's super intelligent. There's
49:16
Speaker 3: nothing super intelligent.
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Speaker 4: That's what's coming, ladies and gentlemen.
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Speaker 2: Certainly not.
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Speaker 4: Super funny.
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Speaker 2: Thank you so much for joining us tonight. Up next,
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Speaker 2: the Rita Banaghy show. Good night.