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A Ghost, a Spirit and a Demon · UFOS & PARANORMAL WITH PRESTON DENNETT

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Speaker 1: Hello everyone, my name is Preston Dennett, and welcome to
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Speaker 1: a new episode of UFOs and the Paranormal. I'm going
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Speaker 1: to do something a little different today. I'm going to
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Speaker 1: talk about ghosts. I call this episode a ghost, a Spirit,
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Speaker 1: and a Demon. As I'm sure you know, I normally
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Speaker 1: focus on UFOs, but I've also done a lot of
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Speaker 1: researcher to all aspects of the paranormal, and that of
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Speaker 1: course includes ghosts. So I wanted to do this episode
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Speaker 1: today to let people know that ghosts are real. I've
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Speaker 1: had my own experiences with ghosts. I've investigated many hauntings
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Speaker 1: of different types. Ghostly sightings have occurred for millennia, all
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Speaker 1: across the world, in all cultures, and I think people
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Speaker 1: need to know that ghosts are real. They provide very
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Speaker 1: compelling evidence of life after death, and they can manifest
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Speaker 1: in a number of different ways. I'm not sure people
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Speaker 1: realize how many different types of hauntings there are, so
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Speaker 1: that's why I wanted to do this episode for you today.
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Speaker 1: And as the title of this episode implies, there are
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Speaker 1: three different types of hauntings that will be covering, the
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Speaker 1: first being a Ghostly visitations are dead people who are
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Speaker 1: basically earth bound. For whatever reason, they might not know
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Speaker 1: they've passed away, perhaps they're attached to the house or
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Speaker 1: a person. But this can be differentiated from the second
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Speaker 1: story i'd like to talk about today, which involves a spirit,
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Speaker 1: and a spirit is a deceased person who generally speaking,
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Speaker 1: knows that they are deceased, has passed on, moved to
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Speaker 1: the other side, but comes down to visit a person
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Speaker 1: or a place for usually a specific purpose, perhaps to
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Speaker 1: let this person know that they are all right on
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Speaker 1: the other side, or perhaps to complete some sort of
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Speaker 1: unfinished business, this sort of thing. And then, of course
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Speaker 1: there's the third category, which involves demons, also also called poultrygeists.
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Speaker 1: There's a lot of controversy and theories about what exactly
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Speaker 1: demons and poultrygeists are. Some believe this is just psychokinetic
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Speaker 1: energy from an emotionally disturbed person. Some believe this is
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Speaker 1: uncontrolled mediumship. Some believe these are actual inhuman spirits, and
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Speaker 1: they can be anything from mischievous to downright evil. And
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Speaker 1: I think you'll find these three cases quite compelling. I
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Speaker 1: certainly hope. So so let's just get started, and the
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Speaker 1: first case I'm going to talk about again is a
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Speaker 1: ghostly visitation involving what appears to be a deceased person
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Speaker 1: who is earthbound, and I call this case the ghost
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Speaker 1: that answered the phone. This first case involves a woman
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Speaker 1: I call Sarah, and as Sarah says, I don't want
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Speaker 1: people to think I'm crazy. This is the main reason
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Speaker 1: why most people won't tell anyone about the ghost experiences
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Speaker 1: they've had. Millions of intelligent, competent people see ghosts and
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Speaker 1: spirits but don't talk about them, and if they do,
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Speaker 1: they often desire to remain anonymous. Sometimes it seems that
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Speaker 1: people are more afraid of what other people will think
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Speaker 1: of their ghostly encounter than of the encounter itself. This
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Speaker 1: is sometimes understandable because there are occasions when something so
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Speaker 1: bizarre happens, the witnesses can hardly believe it themselves, so
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Speaker 1: how can they expect anyone else to believe? And that
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Speaker 1: is what happened In this following account. A mother and
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Speaker 1: her two daughters lived alone in a house in the
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Speaker 1: mountains of Tapanga Canyon, California, and the middle daughter, Sarah.
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Speaker 1: The older daughter, was the unfortunate witness to most of
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Speaker 1: the ghost activity. She tried to convince her family that
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Speaker 1: there was a ghost in the house, but her sister
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Speaker 1: and her mother looked upon this subject with disbelief, and
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Speaker 1: the idea that their own house could be haunted seemed absurd.
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Speaker 1: The whole ordeal began one day in the mid nineteen
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Speaker 1: seventies when Sarah was alone in the house and she
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Speaker 1: thought she heard someone coughing in the back room. In
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Speaker 1: the first few times, she simply ignored it, but occasionally
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Speaker 1: she would hear this very clearly, and she knew she
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Speaker 1: was completely alone. Each time she dashed to locate the sound,
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Speaker 1: but there was never anybody there. It happened several times,
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Speaker 1: and she began to really wonder if there was a
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Speaker 1: ghost in her house, and she told her sister and
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Speaker 1: her mom, we have a ghost, but they did not
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Speaker 1: believe her. But Sarah had no doubt that their house
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Speaker 1: was haunted. After a particular unnerving experience, again, she was
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Speaker 1: alone in the house when she heard the sound of
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Speaker 1: a man coughing. She listened intently, and what she heard
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Speaker 1: next chilled her to the bone, as she says, I
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Speaker 1: heard this coughing, and then I heard somebody go into
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Speaker 1: the bathroom, close the door, spit into the toilet, and
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Speaker 1: flush it, and I freaked out. I was like, ah,
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Speaker 1: and I ran out. I don't even remember what I did,
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Speaker 1: but I know that I left and I didn't go
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Speaker 1: home until there was somebody else there. Sarah thought about
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Speaker 1: telling her family what happened, but knowing they wouldn't believe her,
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Speaker 1: she just kept it to herself. So hearing the sound
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Speaker 1: of this ghost coughing was pretty scary. She remembers leaving
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Speaker 1: the house more than once after this happened, But after
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Speaker 1: a couple of years, she realized that the sounds had
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Speaker 1: mostly stopped, and she figured that the ghost was gone
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Speaker 1: and thought no more about it. It was a number
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Speaker 1: of years later when everyone moved out and the house
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Speaker 1: was being rented to a young couple. The lieutenants had
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Speaker 1: never heard any of the ghost stories, and Sarah certainly
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Speaker 1: wasn't about to tell them. They had no reason to
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Speaker 1: believe this house was haunted. Then, in April of nineteen
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Speaker 1: eighty nine, the ghost returned the new tenant, the wife
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Speaker 1: was alone in the house. She turned the radio on
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Speaker 1: loudly and went into the bathroom to take a shower.
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Speaker 1: She was in the middle of the shower when the
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Speaker 1: phone rang. She decided to just ignore the phone and
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Speaker 1: continue her shower. Whoever it was, she reasoned, would call back.
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Speaker 1: The phone rang three maybe four times, then stopped, and
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Speaker 1: she assumed that the caller had simply hung up. What
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Speaker 1: she didn't know, however, was that her husband was the
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Speaker 1: one who was calling. He had dialed his home number,
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Speaker 1: heard the phone rang, and then heard somebody pick up
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Speaker 1: the phone. As he waited for his wife to say hello,
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Speaker 1: he heard a certain song playing on the radio in
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Speaker 1: the background, and to his surprise, whoever answered the phone
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Speaker 1: hung up on him. So, meanwhile, his wife had quickly
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Speaker 1: finished her shower and was drying off when the phone
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Speaker 1: rang again. It was her husband who was on the line,
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Speaker 1: and he asked angrily, who's there? Who is there? And
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Speaker 1: his wife answered, it's just me, And he said, well,
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Speaker 1: somebody just picked up the phone, and she said no,
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Speaker 1: you must have dialed the wrong number, and he disagreed.
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Speaker 1: He says, no, I hear the same song playing on
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Speaker 1: the radio, so this was proof that he had in
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Speaker 1: fact dialed the correct number. His wife told him that
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Speaker 1: she had heard the phone ring, but assumed that whoever
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Speaker 1: it was had hung up, But he said that it
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Speaker 1: was he who had just called and somebody else answered
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Speaker 1: the phone and hung up on him. They were both
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Speaker 1: perplexed by this incident, but both of them jumped to
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Speaker 1: the obvious conclusion there must be an intruder in the house.
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Speaker 1: So she quickly checked the entire house, but as she
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Speaker 1: suspected she was alone, all the doors were locked. They
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Speaker 1: had never had any problems with intruders. The house was
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Speaker 1: quite isolated. It just didn't make any sense. Still, she
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Speaker 1: became somewhat paranoid about someone being in the house, particularly
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Speaker 1: while she was taking a shower, so she mentioned this
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Speaker 1: incident to Sarah the next time she spoke to her
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Speaker 1: and asked if they had ever had any intruders Before
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Speaker 1: Sarah listened carefully and before she knew what she was doing,
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Speaker 1: she said, Oh, it's probably just the ghost. So Sarah
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Speaker 1: was concerned that the couple might be somewhat frightened by
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Speaker 1: this revelation. Instead, they were actually relieved to find that
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Speaker 1: this intruder was merely a ghost and not a physical intruder.
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Speaker 1: While investigating this case, asked Sarah if anybody had ever
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Speaker 1: died in the house, and she said that yes. In fact,
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Speaker 1: two people had died in the house, one of them
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Speaker 1: had suffered from chronic emphysema, and while he was living there,
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Speaker 1: his condition forced him to make frequent trips to the bathroom,
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Speaker 1: where he would cough and spit into the toilet. Afterwards,
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Speaker 1: he would of course flush the toilet. He died in
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Speaker 1: the house in the early nineteen seventies, and Sarah says
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Speaker 1: that the coughing she heard and the coughing of the
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Speaker 1: men who died in the house sounded pretty much exactly
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Speaker 1: the same. And when she had this experience of hearing
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Speaker 1: the bathroom door close, the man spit, and the toilet flushing,
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Speaker 1: she was pretty sure that it was his spirit. And
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Speaker 1: when she heard the tenant's story, she was surprised that
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Speaker 1: this ghost was still around, but she was also happy
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Speaker 1: that she at last had confirmation there were other witnesses.
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Speaker 1: She wasn't the only one who had met the ghosts.
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Speaker 1: So in this case, the ghost was able to close doors,
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Speaker 1: flush toilets, answer to the phones, as well as produce
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Speaker 1: sounds of coughing and spitting. This is fairly typical of
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Speaker 1: many hauntings. In some cases it is because of a
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Speaker 1: sudden death. It seems that the deceased do not know
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Speaker 1: that they are dead, and they continue on with the
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Speaker 1: same behavior that they exhibited before their death. Because of
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Speaker 1: the shock of a sudden death, they may have sometimes
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Speaker 1: trouble thinking clearly enough to realize that they are in
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Speaker 1: fact in the next dimension, and that seems to be
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Speaker 1: the situation in this case. Today, the haunting has apparently ended,
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Speaker 1: the house has been sold, and the new residents have
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Speaker 1: no idea that the house was once haunted by a
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Speaker 1: restless spirit. So that's quite an interesting case. What I
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Speaker 1: like about this case is it shows how a ghost
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Speaker 1: is able to manipulate the environment in a number of
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Speaker 1: different ways, physically moving objects. Also, they know the identity
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Speaker 1: of this ghost. It's a multiple witness case. It's a
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Speaker 1: very interesting case, and there are many cases of ghosts
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Speaker 1: that have answered phones. So that's why I wanted to
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Speaker 1: present that particular story to you today. And now we
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Speaker 1: move to the second case, which involves a spirit visitation.
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Speaker 1: And again, spirits are deceased people who know that they
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Speaker 1: are deceased have moved on, but sometimes come to visit
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Speaker 1: people for various reasons, and I call this case a
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Speaker 1: hand across death. Well, many ghosts are people who aren't
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Speaker 1: aware that they have died. This is not always the case.
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Speaker 1: Some ghosts know perfectly well they have died, and we
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Speaker 1: call these spirits. These usually appear, as I said, because
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Speaker 1: they have a purpose, some unfinished business to resolve. This
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Speaker 1: could be anything from revealing a hidden will, to exposing
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Speaker 1: the guilt of one's murderer, to letting someone know that
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Speaker 1: they are okay on the other side. In the following case,
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Speaker 1: it was unrequieted love that caused a spirit to return
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Speaker 1: from the other side. While many spirits manifest in the
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Speaker 1: form of apparitions, odors, or unexplained sounds, this spirit was
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Speaker 1: actually able to leave physical evidence of its presence. The
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Speaker 1: main witness in this case is Connie Lopez. She is
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Speaker 1: the mother of three grown children. The time of this case,
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Speaker 1: she worked full time and lived alone in her home
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Speaker 1: in West Hills. This is in California. She had never
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Speaker 1: seen a ghost before in her entire life, but all
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Speaker 1: that changed in September two thousand and one. As Connie says,
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Speaker 1: this is what happened. I got up as regular, the
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Speaker 1: everyday normal thing, to go and get ready for work.
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Speaker 1: The first thing I did was to go into the shower,
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Speaker 1: and when I opened the door, I saw a handprint,
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Speaker 1: an oily handprint on the tile, and I was in
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Speaker 1: shock because of the fact that I don't like anything
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Speaker 1: dirty or greasy in the house, and to see that
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Speaker 1: handprint on the tile, it just got me really scared
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Speaker 1: because I thought somebody was in the house. It was
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Speaker 1: really strange. I put my finger on it and I
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Speaker 1: smelled it, and it was oil. It was a handprint.
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Speaker 1: What I even did was put my hand close to
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Speaker 1: it to see if it was a bigger hand or
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Speaker 1: a smaller hand. It was bigger than mine. I mean,
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Speaker 1: I really got scared. It was regular car oil. I
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Speaker 1: touched it with one of my fingers real lightly, and
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Speaker 1: I smelled it, and I thought car oil. Who would
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Speaker 1: be in my house with car oil? I'm really spotless,
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Speaker 1: so I was very surp I was really really surprised.
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Speaker 1: I thought, who in the heck? But I just got
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Speaker 1: really scared, and I scrubbed it off. So Connie checked
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Speaker 1: the rest of the house to make sure all the
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Speaker 1: windows and doors were locked. She called the manager and
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Speaker 1: asked if anybody had entered her home for repairs. She
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Speaker 1: checked the bathroom thoroughly for any possible source of the oil.
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Speaker 1: Nothing could explain it. As Connie says, it really scared
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Speaker 1: me because I kept thinking, God, I wonder if somebody's
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Speaker 1: finding a way to come into my house. So Connie
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Speaker 1: tried not to think about it. She already had enough
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Speaker 1: problems to think about. Six months earlier, her ex husband,
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Speaker 1: Mario that's not his real name, whom she hadn't seen
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Speaker 1: in twenty years, had called her up out of the blue.
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Speaker 1: He needed a place to live. He worked as a
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Speaker 1: trucker and he really only wanted a small place to
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Speaker 1: stories things, and he said that most of the time
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Speaker 1: he would be out on the road, he wouldn't bother her,
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Speaker 1: and Connie surprised herself by agreeing to rent a room
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Speaker 1: to him in her house. Her only condition was that
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Speaker 1: he keeped the house clean. He was a trucker, a
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Speaker 1: mechanic and was often fixing his truck and repairing it,
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Speaker 1: and when he'd come home, Connie always made him leave
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Speaker 1: his boots on the doorstep so he wouldn't track anything
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Speaker 1: into the house, and Mario happily obliged. Otherwise, they lived
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Speaker 1: together in harmony platonically. Mario, however, never wavered in his
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Speaker 1: love for Connie in all the years following their divorce.
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Speaker 1: He called her on every one of her birthdays, every
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Speaker 1: major holiday, Christmas, and so forth. Connie assured him that
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Speaker 1: their relationship was over, but Mario kept professing his undying
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Speaker 1: love for her, but the awkwardness of this living situation.
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Speaker 1: Things were going well, then tragedy struck. Mario went out
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Speaker 1: to a party and never came home. Connie learned that
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Speaker 1: he had suffered a massive heart attack and died on
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Speaker 1: the scene. He was only forty nine years old. Connie was,
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Speaker 1: of course heartbroken. She was surprised to learn that Mario
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Speaker 1: actually knew he had a heart condition and was likely
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Speaker 1: to die soon, and yet he chose to live the
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Speaker 1: last months of his life with her. And now he
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Speaker 1: was dead. So Connie was already upset and grieving, and
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Speaker 1: now she had the added problem of a possible intruder
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Speaker 1: in her home. She couldn't explain this oily hant print.
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Speaker 1: It just didn't make sense, so she tried not to
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Speaker 1: think about it. But then a few days later, this
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Speaker 1: unknown intruder returned. As Connie says, I quote, I woke up,
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Speaker 1: I sat up, and I fixed my bed like normal.
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Speaker 1: I started walking down the hall and I turned the
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Speaker 1: light on and the bathroom's really nice and bright because
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Speaker 1: of the window. I put my hand on the handle
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Speaker 1: to open the shower, and I saw this handprint right
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Speaker 1: on my hand. I mean, there was an oily handprint
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Speaker 1: on top of my hand, like somebody had grabbed my
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Speaker 1: hand and left their handprint right on top of my hand.
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Speaker 1: It must have happened when I was asleep or something.
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Speaker 1: When I looked at it, I said, oh my god,
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Speaker 1: what and I put my finger again to touch it.
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Speaker 1: It was oil. I smelled oil. It was car oil
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Speaker 1: on my hand. But that's not even it. What happened
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Speaker 1: was I got scared. I walked into my room. I
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Speaker 1: looked around my room. I pulled the sheets up to
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Speaker 1: see if there was any oil on the bed anywhere.
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Speaker 1: I turned on the lights, I opened the blinds, and
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Speaker 1: guess what, there were oil spots around my bed. As
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Speaker 1: a matter of fact, the oil spots are still around
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Speaker 1: the bed, like somebody went around the bed dropping oil.
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Speaker 1: Connie was shocked. She hurriedly wiped the oil off of
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Speaker 1: her hand, cleaned up the mess around her bed again.
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Speaker 1: She checked all the doors and windows, even the ceiling,
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Speaker 1: looking for a solution to this mystery. And she says,
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Speaker 1: I was in shock. I was totally in shock. But
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Speaker 1: then what I realized is when I came downstairs in
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Speaker 1: my dining area, someone went around my dining area with oil.
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Speaker 1: They did the same thing around my dining area, like
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Speaker 1: they purposefully went around the table, just splattering it. Not
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Speaker 1: like little drops here and there, but like somebody got
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Speaker 1: a can of oil and was just making lines back
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Speaker 1: and forth, streaks and lines of oil. I said, something's
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Speaker 1: wrong here. Who would come in my house and just
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Speaker 1: splatter oil all over my carpet and only around the
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Speaker 1: dining area, which was so strange because it said mostly
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Speaker 1: on the corner. I couldn't believe it. I had barstools,
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Speaker 1: and it was right around the barstools, like somebody just
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Speaker 1: sat there splattering. It was just so puzzled about it.
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Speaker 1: I could not even believe it. Again, Connie assumed that
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Speaker 1: someone must have come into the house. She called the
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Speaker 1: manager again and accused him of having given away her keys.
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Speaker 1: The manager denied it. She asked them again if they
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Speaker 1: had come to the house with oil to make repairs,
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Speaker 1: and the manager said no. Connie then told the manager
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Speaker 1: what was going on. The manager was as mystified as
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Speaker 1: she was and assured her that it wasn't the building,
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Speaker 1: and it wasn't him. The carpet itself was new, so
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Speaker 1: there didn't seem to be any explanation. So Connie began
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Speaker 1: the difficult test ask of cleaning up this oil. And
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Speaker 1: this is when she had a sudden revelation. She remembered
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Speaker 1: doing this before, having to clean up oil stains on
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Speaker 1: her carpet. In fact, over and over again, Mario would
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Speaker 1: come to the house with his oily hands, his boots
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Speaker 1: and clothes and leave oil stains all over the couch,
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Speaker 1: the floor, the counters, wherever he touched it. It infuriated
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Speaker 1: her and she knew it. So as she's cleaning up
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Speaker 1: the oil and thinking this, chills started to raise down
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Speaker 1: her spine. All the pieces fell into place. Mario's obsessive
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Speaker 1: love for her, his profession as a truck driver and
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Speaker 1: a mechanic, Connie's obsessive need for cleanliness, Mario's death, her
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Speaker 1: devastation at his death, and now all this oil all
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Speaker 1: over her house, the handprint in the shower, the handprint
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Speaker 1: on her hand. The answer was so obvious that she
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Speaker 1: was surprised she hadn't thought of it sooner. It was Mario.
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Speaker 1: This was Mario's ghost trying to get in contact with her,
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Speaker 1: trying to communicate to her that he was all right.
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Speaker 1: As Connie says, he was a truck driver. He was
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Speaker 1: always messing around with oil. Always he was fixing his car,
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Speaker 1: cleaning his truck. And I always used to tell him,
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Speaker 1: you need to take off your boots outside. Do not
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Speaker 1: come in the house with your boots because they're full
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Speaker 1: of oil. And that's when it dawned on me. I
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Speaker 1: kept thinking to myself, Oh my god, I was so scared.
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Speaker 1: But it really honestly happened. It happened to me twice.
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Speaker 1: And I can't believe when I was looking for the oil,
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Speaker 1: why would somebody put oil all around my bed and
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Speaker 1: to put oil all around my dining area. So now
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Speaker 1: Conne believes that Mario came back and as kind of
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Speaker 1: a personal joke, left oily hand prints and stains around
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Speaker 1: her house. One last time, Connie says, can you believe that?
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Speaker 1: Like he's saying, now now I'm gone. Now what are
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Speaker 1: you going to do? You know what I mean? You
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Speaker 1: can't say anything anymore. And here are these oily stains.
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Speaker 1: Oh my god, I was so scared. At first, I
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Speaker 1: was really shocked, but after that everyone kept telling me
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Speaker 1: he really cared about you, and that's why he probably
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Speaker 1: tried to come back, but to throw oil to tell me, now,
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Speaker 1: what are you going to do? Well, he let me
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Speaker 1: know he's been here, that he's been in my house.
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Speaker 1: Believe me, I have the oil stains still in my bedroom.
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Speaker 1: So Connie told Mario's family what happened, and to her shock,
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Speaker 1: they told her that Mario had also appeared to them.
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Speaker 1: His daughter and the neighbor's three year old little girl
22:47
Speaker 1: each claimed to have actually seen his apparition, so they
22:52
Speaker 1: all believed Connie and were amazed at how Mario was
22:54
Speaker 1: able to manifest his presence to her, and using cor
22:59
Speaker 1: oil was a perfect way to let her know that
23:01
Speaker 1: it was really him. So while it was initially kind
23:05
Speaker 1: of scary for Connie, she now receives a measure of
23:08
Speaker 1: comfort from her experience. The carpet is now permanently stained
23:14
Speaker 1: as a reminder of her experience, and she even rearranged
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Speaker 1: her furniture to cover the stains because, as she says,
23:22
Speaker 1: every time I see it, it's kind of scary. I
23:26
Speaker 1: hope I never have to experience something like that again,
23:30
Speaker 1: So I love this second case. Again, we know who
23:34
Speaker 1: this spirit was, and this case shows how ghosts or
23:40
Speaker 1: spirits rather are able to manifest in really unique ways
23:44
Speaker 1: and provide physical evidence of their existence after having passed on.
23:52
Speaker 1: It's truly a remarkable case. And now we moved to
23:56
Speaker 1: the third case, which involves apparent demonic haunting, and again
24:05
Speaker 1: researchers disagree on exactly what is going on here. Some
24:11
Speaker 1: believe these are human spirits, some believe this is just
24:14
Speaker 1: uncontrolled mediumshifts. Some believe these are inhuman spirits, some evil
24:19
Speaker 1: force of some kind. At any rate, I think you'll
24:24
Speaker 1: find this case particularly compelling, and I call this case
24:30
Speaker 1: a demon named bart So. This next case, as many
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Speaker 1: demonic hauntings do, began when three children began to use
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Speaker 1: a Ouiji board. These girls lived in their house with
24:48
Speaker 1: their parents in their home in Malibu. They were three sisters.
24:52
Speaker 1: They lived in normal childhood, going to school, making friends,
24:55
Speaker 1: doing their chores. But one day in nineteen seventy five,
25:00
Speaker 1: they began to experiment with the Ouci board. At first,
25:03
Speaker 1: it was fun. They took a piece of paper and
25:06
Speaker 1: wrote down the alphabet in numbers. Then they took a
25:09
Speaker 1: penny and each of them put one finger on it,
25:12
Speaker 1: and to their surprise and delight, the penny moved and
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Speaker 1: spelled out intelligible messages. As Jennifer, the younger sister says,
25:23
Speaker 1: we would do this every so often. We would make
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Speaker 1: a Wiji board out of a sheet of paper and
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Speaker 1: a copper penny. We were so young, I didn't think
25:31
Speaker 1: any of us were up to pranks. It seemed so
25:34
Speaker 1: real that it was happening. There was no questioning it.
25:38
Speaker 1: We were these young kids and we were playing with
25:40
Speaker 1: this stuff, and it was all kind of just happening. Kelly,
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Speaker 1: the middle sister, became intrigued with the idea of contacting
25:49
Speaker 1: the spirits of famous people. As Kelly says, I don't
25:54
Speaker 1: know what got me hooked on Jack Benny when I
25:57
Speaker 1: was little, but I just tried so hard to come
26:00
Speaker 1: contact him. He was my favorite. And I know I
26:03
Speaker 1: used to contact someone that used to respond to Jack Benny.
26:07
Speaker 1: I don't know if it was him or not, but
26:09
Speaker 1: I thought it was Agnes Moorehead was another one of
26:13
Speaker 1: my favorites. We just tried to reach people like that.
26:17
Speaker 1: We played with the Wiji board so much when we
26:20
Speaker 1: were little and never had the problem of running into
26:24
Speaker 1: something that was scary. So the three sisters spent many
26:29
Speaker 1: hours trying to contact various spirits, and then one night
26:33
Speaker 1: in nineteen seventy five, they and their friend Amy had
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Speaker 1: a frightening encounter with a bad ghost. At this time,
26:40
Speaker 1: Jennifer was six years old, Kelly was nine, Amy was twelve,
26:46
Speaker 1: and her friend Heidi was also twelve. They gathered together
26:52
Speaker 1: on the outside deck and drew up one of their
26:54
Speaker 1: homemade Ouiji boards. They all sat around put a finger
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Speaker 1: on the penny and at first they've tried to contact
27:02
Speaker 1: Jack Benny. As Kelly says, I thought that had success
27:06
Speaker 1: in reaching him before. I don't know, I mean, I
27:09
Speaker 1: don't know why the hell JACKO Benny would be wanting
27:11
Speaker 1: to talk to me, but we were definitely going in
27:14
Speaker 1: that direction of trying to reach him. So normally the
27:19
Speaker 1: Ouiji board would spell out hello and give various puzzling messages. However,
27:23
Speaker 1: this time it did something very different. As Jennifer says,
27:28
Speaker 1: we were all excited and started asking questions. Anyway, it
27:32
Speaker 1: just started to not give us answers, or not the
27:35
Speaker 1: answers we were looking for. It started jumbling words, letters
27:40
Speaker 1: and words the penny would go really fast off the paper.
27:44
Speaker 1: You'd have your finger on it, and it would move
27:46
Speaker 1: quickly off the paper, either with your finger or leaving
27:49
Speaker 1: it behind. It never flew off the table or anything,
27:52
Speaker 1: but would just move across the paper. So the four
27:56
Speaker 1: young girls looked at it in confusion. Why wasn't it
28:00
Speaker 1: the swigi board behaving? They continued probing the spirit, trying
28:04
Speaker 1: to get coherent answers about who it was, and they
28:08
Speaker 1: were not at all prepared for what it was about
28:11
Speaker 1: to tell them. As Kelly says, what I remember was
28:15
Speaker 1: that we made a wigi board out of paper. We
28:17
Speaker 1: were trying to just get anybody to communicate with us,
28:21
Speaker 1: so we weren't very careful. We just opened it up
28:24
Speaker 1: to whoever wanted to come in and talk to us.
28:27
Speaker 1: It was fine. We thought we were going to try
28:30
Speaker 1: to go for certain people that we wanted to talk to,
28:33
Speaker 1: but we weren't getting any response, and then all of
28:36
Speaker 1: a sudden started moving around. It wouldn't give us who
28:40
Speaker 1: it was, but it kept saying that it was really close,
28:44
Speaker 1: and we knew by asking it, are you in our house?
28:48
Speaker 1: And it said it was in the house, and it
28:51
Speaker 1: wouldn't give us any name, but it wasn't very friendly.
28:55
Speaker 1: I just remember it not being terribly friendly. It's kind
28:59
Speaker 1: of hostile or aggressive. I don't remember the questions we
29:03
Speaker 1: asked it, but I do remember we got really scared
29:06
Speaker 1: because it said it was in the house. Why we
29:09
Speaker 1: were scared, I don't know if it told us that
29:12
Speaker 1: it was mean or not. I know we talked to
29:15
Speaker 1: it for a while. I don't remember the specifics, but
29:18
Speaker 1: for some reason we got the impression that this was
29:22
Speaker 1: not a nice spirit. That's why we were scared of it.
29:26
Speaker 1: It started moving and all of a sudden, it was
29:29
Speaker 1: like I didn't know who we were dealing with, and
29:32
Speaker 1: we made him spell out his name, and it was
29:35
Speaker 1: just scary. It turned scary solely through whatever this thing
29:40
Speaker 1: was saying to us, because we had done it enough
29:42
Speaker 1: times where it wasn't scary. It wasn't like we were
29:46
Speaker 1: scared to begin doing it. So Jennifer remembers the same
29:51
Speaker 1: thing that the spirit said it was in the house,
29:54
Speaker 1: and like the other girls, she was anxious to know
29:57
Speaker 1: exactly who it was. It was pretty obvious it wasn't
30:00
Speaker 1: Agnes Moorehead or Jack Benny, and this spirit kept avoiding
30:05
Speaker 1: revealing its name and would only say it's close by
30:09
Speaker 1: in the house. So the girls were insistent and demanded
30:15
Speaker 1: that the spirit reveal who it was, and finally the
30:18
Speaker 1: spirit did spell out its name, and this is when
30:21
Speaker 1: all four girls became terrified. As Jennifer says, it started
30:27
Speaker 1: jumbling letters and words was definitely playing with us, scaring us.
30:32
Speaker 1: And then whoever we were speaking with us just told
30:35
Speaker 1: us that we were talking to someone related to Satan
30:39
Speaker 1: and that his name was Bart and he was a demon,
30:43
Speaker 1: and obviously it totally freaked us out. We were all
30:46
Speaker 1: really terrified the thing that was so weird, and I
30:50
Speaker 1: remember all these things so clearly because we were so terrified.
30:54
Speaker 1: I remember he said he was a demon. I think
30:57
Speaker 1: at first he said he was Satan, and we were
31:00
Speaker 1: asking about that and being afraid, and then he divulged
31:04
Speaker 1: that he was a demon and gave his name. It
31:07
Speaker 1: was really kind of strange. So at this point the
31:11
Speaker 1: girls were literally trembling with fear. Had they invited the
31:14
Speaker 1: devil himself into their house. It didn't seem possible, but
31:19
Speaker 1: this spirit kept saying he was in the house waiting
31:22
Speaker 1: for him, And it was Heidi who finally hit upon
31:26
Speaker 1: a plan of action. As Jennifer says, what ended up
31:30
Speaker 1: happening is he said he was in our house and
31:33
Speaker 1: Heidi told us the only way to get rid of
31:35
Speaker 1: the spirit is to burn the Ouiji board. So my
31:39
Speaker 1: older sister Amy was hysterical and grabbed me and we
31:44
Speaker 1: went outside and grabbed one of the dogs. The four
31:48
Speaker 1: of them decided that Kelly would go in the house
31:50
Speaker 1: and get matches to burn the Wigi board. They had
31:53
Speaker 1: several dogs. One of them was a young Doberman named Gandalf,
31:58
Speaker 1: and as soon as Kelly opened the door, Gandolf ran
32:01
Speaker 1: excitedly into the house and started barking furiously at somebody
32:05
Speaker 1: or something. Kelly ran after the dog. She had no
32:10
Speaker 1: idea that she was about to come face to face
32:13
Speaker 1: with this demon. As Kelly says, we decided we had
32:19
Speaker 1: to burn the Ouiji board. This is what our friends said.
32:22
Speaker 1: We had to get rid of the spirit and just
32:24
Speaker 1: break the connection that we had invited to have in
32:26
Speaker 1: our house. So somebody had to go inside and get
32:29
Speaker 1: the matches, and I was volunteered. I don't know why
32:34
Speaker 1: I took our dog. We went past the sliding glass
32:37
Speaker 1: door and the dog took off down the hall barking
32:40
Speaker 1: and went running after it, calling it, and the dog
32:42
Speaker 1: was going absolutely ballistic, barking and screaming and looking up
32:47
Speaker 1: at the stairway. There was nobody there. There was nobody
32:51
Speaker 1: home except us kids. Kelly ran to the foot foot
32:55
Speaker 1: of the stairs and grabbed Gandolf, and looking up, she
32:58
Speaker 1: got the shock of her life, as she says, I
33:02
Speaker 1: saw a shadow or something in the stairway. I don't know.
33:07
Speaker 1: It was pretty spooky. It was just a grayish I mean,
33:11
Speaker 1: something moved. Was not necessarily a figure I could make out,
33:16
Speaker 1: but there was something that moved along the wall. I
33:19
Speaker 1: don't know what I was seeing. The dog and I
33:22
Speaker 1: were looking at the same area. So I finally got
33:25
Speaker 1: the dog under control and went flying out of the
33:27
Speaker 1: house with some matches. I have no idea what the
33:31
Speaker 1: dog was barking at. We burned the Wiji board and
33:34
Speaker 1: basically stayed under the house until my mom got home.
33:40
Speaker 1: And Jennifer confirms this as Jennifer says, the dog ran
33:43
Speaker 1: down the hallway and just started turning circles and barking.
33:46
Speaker 1: At the end of the hallway, Kelly ran into the
33:48
Speaker 1: house and Kelly swears she thought she saw a shadow
33:51
Speaker 1: or something while she was trying to grab the dog.
33:55
Speaker 1: We burned the Wiji board and we just sat outside
33:59
Speaker 1: and my mom came home. So their mom comes home
34:03
Speaker 1: and finds all the girls under the house, cowering in fear.
34:07
Speaker 1: The girls quickly spilled out their story, and, as Kelly says,
34:11
Speaker 1: she came in, walked around the house and there was nothing.
34:14
Speaker 1: The dog was fine, but when we walked in the house,
34:17
Speaker 1: it kind of walked around. We took it to the
34:19
Speaker 1: stairway and nothing. So I have no clue what was
34:22
Speaker 1: going on. I don't know what led it down the
34:25
Speaker 1: hallway to bark, other than thinking that something was there.
34:31
Speaker 1: Kelly tried to shove the incident out of her mind,
34:34
Speaker 1: and she says, I don't have a real vivid memory
34:37
Speaker 1: because of the dog situation and being in the house
34:39
Speaker 1: pretty much scared me to death. So about all I
34:43
Speaker 1: remember from that day is being the one suckered to
34:45
Speaker 1: go inside. So after that incident, the mother sat them
34:50
Speaker 1: down and explained to them all about the spirit world.
34:53
Speaker 1: It turned out that their mother had had a number
34:58
Speaker 1: of ghost encounters, that the family had a rich history
35:01
Speaker 1: of psychic activity, and apparently the mother had some mediumistic talent.
35:09
Speaker 1: Their mother, whose name is Ardell, had several experiences with ghosts,
35:13
Speaker 1: so she totally believed her daughter's. However, later Ardell would
35:18
Speaker 1: have a terrifying encounter in this house, apparently involving this
35:23
Speaker 1: same ghost. And it's important to note that Ardell had
35:28
Speaker 1: also used the Luigi board, and one evening she went
35:32
Speaker 1: to bed normally, but in the middle of the night,
35:34
Speaker 1: something woke her up and tried to pull her out
35:37
Speaker 1: of bed. As Ardell says, I was alone in the house.
35:41
Speaker 1: I was upstairs in my bedroom in bed, and all
35:44
Speaker 1: of a sudden, something somebody was trying to pull me
35:48
Speaker 1: out of bed. I remember grabbing onto the sheets and yelling.
35:53
Speaker 1: I had a Doberman at the time. She must have
35:55
Speaker 1: been about eleven when this happened. She was asleep at
35:58
Speaker 1: the end of the hall. I remember she was a
36:01
Speaker 1: very sound sleeper. I had been delving into psychic phenomena
36:05
Speaker 1: and I immediately figured that somebody was trying to make
36:08
Speaker 1: contact with me. But I couldn't understand why I was
36:11
Speaker 1: being pulled out of bed. I said, get your hands
36:15
Speaker 1: off of me. I remember I held onto the sheet
36:18
Speaker 1: and was grabbing at the bed, so that I wouldn't
36:20
Speaker 1: be pulled onto the floor. That was so distinct. What
36:24
Speaker 1: I felt was like two hands pulling at me, like
36:27
Speaker 1: somebody had the back of my nightgown or something and
36:29
Speaker 1: was pulling me. They weren't actually touching me, they weren't
36:32
Speaker 1: pinching me, but they were pulling at my bedclothes to
36:36
Speaker 1: pull me out of bed, and I was holding on
36:38
Speaker 1: and I finally just yelled let me alone, at which
36:42
Speaker 1: point the whole thing, whatever the force, was, just totally disintegrated.
36:47
Speaker 1: I sat up, turned on the lights, and went through
36:50
Speaker 1: the whole house. When I got up, of course, my
36:52
Speaker 1: dog went with me. We went through the whole house,
36:55
Speaker 1: turned on all the lights inside and out. I didn't
36:58
Speaker 1: see anything. I couldn't understand it. It was so real.
37:02
Speaker 1: I thought there was somebody, maybe a robber or somebody
37:05
Speaker 1: in the house, but I couldn't understand how it could
37:08
Speaker 1: have gotten by my dog. So Ardell found that quite frightening.
37:15
Speaker 1: Assumed it was just a singular incident. But it was
37:18
Speaker 1: just a few weeks later when she had another very
37:21
Speaker 1: bizarre experience when she distinctly heard somebody calling her name.
37:26
Speaker 1: As she says, it was coming from the front of
37:29
Speaker 1: the house by my front door. It was not a voice,
37:33
Speaker 1: I remember, it was just somebody saying Ardell, Ardell, Ardell.
37:39
Speaker 1: And by the third time I was running towards the
37:41
Speaker 1: front hall. I didn't see anything, I didn't hear anything.
37:47
Speaker 1: I went back and I sat in bed, totally confused.
37:52
Speaker 1: So this case is typical of what can happen when
37:55
Speaker 1: people use Oegi board. It appears that the ghost is
37:59
Speaker 1: able to make manifest more easily when people use a
38:02
Speaker 1: Wigi board. However, they had to use the Wigi board
38:05
Speaker 1: for quite some time without l EFX, and as it
38:10
Speaker 1: turns out, Ardell and Kelly in particular are both very psychic,
38:15
Speaker 1: have had out of body experiences, precognition, and Ardella has
38:19
Speaker 1: had several ghost encounters. So perhaps this is uncontrolled mediumship.
38:24
Speaker 1: Perhaps by using the Ouiji board, they invited an evil
38:27
Speaker 1: spirit into their home. They're not sure, but the good
38:31
Speaker 1: news is the haunting ended. They have suffered no further
38:35
Speaker 1: negative encounters. However, with their track record, it's likely they
38:39
Speaker 1: will probably see ghosts again. So those are the three
38:43
Speaker 1: cases I wanted to present to you today. I did
38:46
Speaker 1: write about these cases in my book California Ghosts. True
38:50
Speaker 1: hauntings in the Golden State, and I wanted to present
38:55
Speaker 1: these three cases again to provide good evidence but there
39:00
Speaker 1: is life after death, that ghosts are real, and to
39:04
Speaker 1: let people know that there are many different types of
39:06
Speaker 1: hauntings and that ghosts can manifest in a wide variety
39:10
Speaker 1: of ways. So it's not just these three types of
39:14
Speaker 1: hauntings you know, a ghost, a spirit, and a demonic haunting.
39:18
Speaker 1: There's also another type of haunting called a residual haunting,
39:23
Speaker 1: which is basically just echoes of people who have passed on,
39:27
Speaker 1: but that's a story for a later time. I'd like
39:32
Speaker 1: to thank you all for watching. I truly appreciate it.
39:36
Speaker 1: I hope you're doing well, and until next time, keep
39:41
Speaker 1: searching for answers and most importantly, keep having fun.