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Clinical Psycotherapist Louise Mercier Sadler shares the inner wisdom of Hypnotherapy and how to bypass the Conscious mind · Authentic Living

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  Welcome to authentic living with Roxanne, a place where we have conscious conversations
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  about things that really matter in our lives.
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  And now here's your host, Roxanne Derhodge.
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  Thanks for tuning in again, this week.
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  I have a special, I would say, bestie friend, Louis Mercier Sadler here with us, today.
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  Louis has been a guest previously, my podcast going back probably one of the original ones,
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  wasn't it Louis?
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  Yeah.
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  It was.
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  Yeah.
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  So Louis, brings a wealth of information to us today, but something I think, we often talk
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  about, but I'm not so sure that we focus on it in day to day kind of circles.
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  Maybe there are clinical circles, but, so Louise is brought, she's a clinical
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  psychotherapist, and she has been in the field for over 25 years working, at a huge hospital
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  system here in our our area and has specialties in addictions along with, using different
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  modalities.
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  But today, what the focus is that I felt would be important to focus on was more the
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  unconscious.
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  And there's different modalities, but today, Luis has, specialized in, as a hypnotherapist.
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  Which I thought would be fascinating to chat about, because oftentimes we talk about therapy
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  and we talk about kind of, you know, what's involved in therapy, but I'm not sure that
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  people know the different kind of approaches to kinda what I'm gonna say bypass the
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  unconscious.
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  So, Luis, is there anything that I miss that, you'd like the, viewers or listeners to know
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  about you?
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  No.
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  Basically, you know, I mean, you've covered my, my my background fairly well.
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  You know, I have, I have, primarily worked in addictions, but recently sort of started just
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  just kind of taking a different, approach to change the work using the power of the
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  unconscious mind.
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  So let's talk about that because I know, and you know, in our worlds, we talk about that.
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  And, you know, to the average of a person, they're like, no.
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  No.
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  What do you mean?
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  I I'm conscious of what I do most of the times, and we know, like, almost these days as high as
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  95% of our behavior is unconscious.
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  So kinda tell me, you know, when you were training and kinda when you deal with people,
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  what are some of the kind of primary thoughts that you keep in mind when someone presents to
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  you with an issue?
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  Well, I sort of thought maybe we could sort sort of take it a, a step back.
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  Cause like you said, you know, people talk about the unconscious, and I know it's
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  conscious, and you're absolutely right.
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  So I wanna give people the the education around the, you know, you're right.
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  The unconscious mind makes up about 97% and then our conscious mind a bit, or sorry, 93%
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  and our conscious mind about 7 percent.
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  So if you take a if you if you think about the iceberg, you know, the old iceberg analogy, you
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  know, the top that's outside of the water is about 7%.
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  The rest is underneath the water.
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  And what we know about about the conscious mind is it's where logic resides.
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  It's where, you know, abstract thinking resides.
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  It has the ability to, abs to understand abstract concepts and reasoning.
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  So it's it's able to it's that critical, you know, I mean, that critical factor, right, that
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  that critical faculty that we all have.
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  And the unconscious is everything else.
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  It is it is the our history, it is our memory, It is, all of all of the, autonomic systems.
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  You know, we don't think about making our heart we don't think about breathing.
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  That just happens naturally.
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  So our unconscious mind takes care of all that.
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  However, the interesting thing is the unconscious mind does not have it just does
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  what it's told.
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  It does not have the ability to reason or to consider abstract concept.
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  It does what it's told.
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  So that's why the whole idea of, you know, when I talk about, you know, the narrative, and how
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  important a narrative is, I want you to keep that in mind because the subconscious mind is
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  always Our conscious mind goes to sleep when we do, but our unconscious mind is constantly at
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  work.
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  It's constantly aware and proof of that is our dreaming.
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  Our dreaming is our unconscious mind actually processing things via metaphors.
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  To talk a little bit about narrative, because I'm not sure, you know, you and I, we're
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  comfortable with this with this language, but for people listening, when you say, you know,
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  what's my narrative?
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  What do what do you mean by that, Luis?
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  Right.
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  So narrative is is basically a story.
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  And in this case, it's the story you tell yourself, right?
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  Cause if you consider that your unconscious mind is always paying attention, it is always
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  listening.
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  Right?
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  And it and if you also combine that with, it does what it's told.
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  So if your story
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  is things like oh, I never get anything right.
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  I'm such a clutch.
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  Those sort of things.
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  Right?
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  I am anxious.
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  I am depressed.
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  Right?
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  It it doesn't it doesn't look at anything else.
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  It goes, oh, I am depressed.
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  Okay.
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  Right?
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  Or I am a collect or that sort of thing.
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  So when I talk about narrative, I talk about the story that you tell yourself with your
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  internal dialogue, right, the the the voice inside your head that your own self talks, so
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  to speak, and also how you speak to others about yourself.
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  That's interesting, right, because you kind of think about, what do I say to myself?
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  You know, now you're making me think.
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  Right?
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  Because, you know, A lot of people will say, well, you know, I see affirmations.
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  I see, you know, I'm I'm lovely or I'm beautiful or I'm I'm competent, but they still
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  have that story wrapping itself in their minds.
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  Right?
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  So I might be saying affirmation.
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  Mhmm.
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  But there's still a thought is kinda like that low grade energy of that story that I'm telling
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  myself that I'm not shutting off.
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  Is that what you mean?
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  Well, sometimes.
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  Right?
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  So so, I mean, in some ways, the narrative and is is, you know, even and that's why,
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  affirmations can work over time.
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  Because if you tell yourself something for a long enough time and you believe it, right, you
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  buy into it, right, that it would work.
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  Where it wouldn't is you tell yourself affirmations.
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  And after you say the affirmation inside your head, it's like, yeah.
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  Right?
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  Or, yeah, I don't think so, or if there's a contradicting thought, right, or contradicting,
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  statement.
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  So, so absolutely.
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  I mean, it can work to the positive or the negative depending on what you do with that.
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  Right?
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  So, and and to think about that in terms of not just with respect to what you tell yourself,
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  but also, Sort of what you can imagine.
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  Right.
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  The imagination is very powerful.
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  Okay.
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  And in in our world, I mean, way back when some of us were trained psychodynamically, and we
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  know that that looks at the problems.
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  And then along came, a plethora of of therapists, Virginia satir, and, you know, the
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  the Minnesota model around the solution focus stuff.
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  And we started looking at solutions.
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  However, what my studies and, and what my training in hypnosis is taught me is that it's
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  all about the desired state.
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  What is what is the desired state, the desired outcome?
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  And really focusing on that.
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  So how how do you do that?
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  How do you do that in hypnosis?
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  Can you can you kind of walk us through you know, that the concept that's I'm saying
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  certain things to myself, but in the same breath, I'm taking it away.
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  So Let's say I, you know, I come to you or somebody listening comes to you.
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  And let's say they're struggling with, self sabotaging, talk.
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  You know, I can't achieve this.
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  You know, I'm I'm not good enough, whatever.
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  Right.
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  But I say affirmations every day.
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  You know, I'm pretty good.
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  It's all over my house.
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  Yeah.
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  You know, like I tell people, you know, people hear about it.
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  And, you know, some of the mood speakers will talk about that to put it at everywhere you can
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  be, but it's still not working.
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  So how would you approach something like that?
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  Typically, with something like that, and and It there's something underneath.
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  Right?
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  So sometimes, consciously, you might be telling yourself something positive.
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  You might be using affirmations.
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  But there might be, a self limiting belief that's occurring at a subconscious level.
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  There could be some old programming that's happening at the unconscious level.
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  So part of what I would be looking for is what's underneath that, what's going on at the
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  unconscious level.
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  Clearing out some of those things, and then, and then putting in, you know, some, some,
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  some, strengths, putting in resources.
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  Sometimes part of the work with hypnosis is using the analogy of a computer.
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  We have programs that were installed a long time ago that don't work for us.
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  They're no longer working for us In fact, they're they're causing us problems.
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  So sometimes it's about using hypnosis to get into the unconscious mind to to delete those
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  programs and then to reinstall new programs that will move someone towards the vision they
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  have or the life that they want to have.
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  So can you define a blocking belief?
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  Again, I know I'm asking things are you saying, I can't believe she's asking me this, but I I
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  don't I think a lot of times, you know, we hear these things, but people may not know what it
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  means.
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  Right.
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  So I'll give you an example from my personal life.
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  Right?
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  One of the one of the things I was told when I was a child and growing up was, you know, oh,
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  well, you know, We're not lucky like that.
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  We don't in our family, we're not lucky.
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  We're we don't we don't have things like that happen to us meaning good things.
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  Right?
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  And I grew up like that most of the time in believing that, yeah, you know, I'm just in my
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  little box and and and, you know, wonderful things don't happen to me.
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  Right?
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  We just that just that that happens to other people.
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  And as I got to be older, and, you know, had the experiences, meeting different people,
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  having different conversations, that sort of thing.
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  At one point, that's the point where I thought, well, why not me?
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  Who says that's true?
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  Who says, you know, we don't our family isn't like that?
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  Who why not me?
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  Right?
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  So that's an example of a, of a, of a, of a thought or a, a self limiting belief.
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  Right?
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  And from the time that I challenged that belief.
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  And once they started challenging it and being open to different things and even just being
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  open to it, My life changed quite dramatically, actually.
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  Mhmm.
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  Right?
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  And you know that, like, you know, the changes that happened in my life.
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  So, you know, I went from small town girl kind of stuff.
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  And the next thing I knew, I was traveling all over the world and doing all kinds of things
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  and, and, you know, having a, you know, quite a change, quite a drastic change in my life.
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  Yeah.
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  That's a that's a really good example.
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  Right?
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  So Sometimes it could start anywhere.
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  And oftentimes it may start, like you said, you know, early in our lives, and you're not even
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  aware that you're telling yourself that until you go, hey.
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  That's something I kinda hear myself thinking.
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  Where where did that come from?
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  And we may not be even aware that we're actually stopping ourselves from getting, like,
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  all the things that you deserve.
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  Right?
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  Exactly.
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  Once
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  you cleared that, then you were able to kind of decide what you're gonna let into your life.
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  Not that, oh, that's not for me.
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  No.
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  In fact, it then became the process of, you know, stating and looking at, you know, what I
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  what I wanted and what I, you know, how I saw my life going.
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  And, I mean, part of it was just being open to wonderful possibilities there are a few areas
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  in my life where I was like, no.
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  This is, this is, I think, this is possible.
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  I think this is out there.
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  Right?
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  This is a possibility for me.
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  Mhmm.
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  Right?
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  And just kinda continuing to have that belief and looking at going, why couldn't that happen
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  to me?
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  Right?
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  So that, you know, that kind of thing in terms of, you know, that particular one was around a
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  relationship and and have, you know, of course, a mature relationship as possible, that sort of
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  thing.
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  And, and just keep focusing on, on the desired state.
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  I know this is possible.
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  I've seen it in other people that sort of thing and just keep focusing on walking towards it.
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  So let's talk about desired state because I'm sure everybody's listening is thinking I want a
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  better relationship.
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  I want to increase things at, my job and my business and, you know, relationships with my
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  children, all those things.
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  Like, we all have goals.
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  Right?
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  Yeah.
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  And how much of us kinda struggle with I'm not achieving those goals.
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  I've been trying.
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  I've been trying.
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  So Okay.
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  So I'm gonna stop you right there because the word try
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  you
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  know, and, and there's the old joke about, you know, yoda do or don't do, there is no try.
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  But when we talk about at, at the, the, the level of the unconscious, The word to try
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  implies failure.
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  So when I say I am trying to do something, what it is really is, it's kind of, It's a way out.
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  It's to get out of jail free card.
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  It's like, I'm not really doing it, but I don't wanna feel bad.
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  I don't wanna say I'm not doing it.
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  So I say try.
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  But really, it's, it's, try is, is if that there's one example of where I would change my
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  vocabulary is I'm either doing something or I'm not doing something.
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  And it's and it's not around, you know, I I think that people wouldn't necessarily use the
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  word of, you know, I'm choosing to do that right now because it makes us feel that as
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  opposed to no.
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  I'm not prepared to do that right now.
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  I'm not in a space, right, to do that right now.
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  However, I'm focusing on other things.
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  Right?
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  So so I think one of the if I was to give a quick, you know, piece of of of feedback is,
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  you know, try to eliminate, eliminate the word try.
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  Cannot try to eliminate.
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  And just just experiment, see what happens.
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  So let's talk a little bit more about language because that's so very key.
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  Right?
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  And we all do it.
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  Like you said, you're not thinking about it, and I'm gonna, you know, I'm gonna try to, you
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  know, be more effective with my team, or I'm gonna try to communicate better with my
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  partner, or I'm gonna try to get along with, someone that, maybe irks me a bit more.
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  So we're already telling we're already selling to the con unconscious by using the word try
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  that we may or may not do it.
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  Is that what we're saying?
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  Oh, it's it's it's not that we may or may not.
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  Trying if you're trying to do something, it automatically implies failure.
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  Okay.
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  Right.
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  So what kind of things should we consider with language and what kind of things should we be
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  tweaking if we're thinking of a goal?
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  How should we be approaching our language if we could make some little tweaks Mhmm.
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  Along the way?
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  Well, one of the things, again, is about, I'm moving towards my goal of this.
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  I am working on my goal of this.
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  Right?
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  And really kind of and being in some way specific around what are you doing?
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  Right?
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  And it doesn't have to be big things.
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  You know, something one small thing that takes a few minutes a day.
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  For example, you know, reading something that's inspirational.
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  For example, you know, if you're looking to increase your business, making some phone
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  calls, right, if you're looking to increase you will, you know, the the the the connection with
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  your partner.
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  Right?
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  Doing little things like checking in during the day or just It doesn't have to be big, but it's
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  doing those things and whole thing, first of all, it's using that imagination, seeing it as
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  already happened.
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  Right?
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  You're projecting into the future.
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  Right?
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  Like, so we what we know with goals is, like, you know, we we all have that proverbial to do
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  list.
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  Do you have lists and sub lists of lists?
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  Oh, yes.
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  Yeah.
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  And kinda looking at your goals and breaking it down and And really, probably what you're
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  saying is almost, rewarding yourself or acknowledging with the brain that I have made x
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  amount of phone calls today.
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  Or I, you know, spent 10 minutes with my son having a really nice dialogue if I'm trying to
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  get a better communication, or my family sat down to dinner, and we actually had a nice
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  dinner, and we took time after dinner to to have conversation.
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  So you're acknowledging where you are in the process versus not focusing on what you didn't
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  achieve.
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  Is that what you're saying?
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  Exactly.
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  Right.
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  It's it's it's it's you know, looking towards those improvements, or even if you're at the
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  starting process of it's about creating that image in your mind of what the outcome, what
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  what will it look like when this has manifested?
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  Because let's talk a bit desired outcome because that's important.
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  Right?
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  Like, so what kind of things do you do with hypnosis, or we didn't even talk about NLP, but
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  you can chat tell us a little bit more about that.
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  To get ourselves.
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  What what kind of things can we do to get into a desired state?
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  Let's say, you know, with some of my goals, because we're so close, Some of my goals are to
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  speak more and to be able to travel more, you know, spend time in Florida with RJ, that kind
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  of stuff.
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  Mhmm.
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  How would I put myself into a state, or what kind of things, what tactical things could I
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  consider doing Mhmm.
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  To be able to remind the unconscious, which cause is that's what you're telling me to do.
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  Date, that that that the that's where I want to be.
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  Okay.
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  So, wanna kinda just split it up between some of the the quick stuff and also the, the
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  hypnosis.
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  So one of the things that you wanna, I do wanna wanna cover, with your viewers or your
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  listeners about is hypnosis.
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  I think there's a few minutes about hypnosis, that aren't necessarily helpful for people.
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  For example, and it is possible, but, but, and most people think of hypnosis as a one shot
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  deal.
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  Like, I go once and everything's fixed.
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  And there are some people who experience change within one session.
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  Right?
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  However, depending on the complexity of what's going on a subconscious mind, it may require
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  more than one session.
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  Most of my colleagues talk about 3 to 5 sessions.
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  Some depending on, you know, if you're talking about trauma and sort of, more complex issues,
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  you're talking about more than that.
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  More, more sessions than that and depending on where an individual can go.
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  So what I wanna really talk about is, you know, don't necessarily go into it expecting, oh,
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  it's one session in my mouth.
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  It just depends on the situation.
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  The other thing is is, and perhaps the most important thing I can impart is that hypnosis
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  is not something that someone does to you.
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  Hollywood has not done hypnosis or hypnotists or hypnotherapists any favors by portraying it
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  as something that we do and people fall onto our spell.
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  And then they do we they do, you know, whatever the hypnotist wants them to do.
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  It's it's a feedback loop.
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  Right?
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  It's it's a participant it's a partnership and it's a participatory, process.
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  It's it's the person the individual's involved.
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  So someone who comes in, and says to me, well, I can't be, I can't be hypnotized.
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  You know, I would say, well, what makes you say that?
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  Right?
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  And they'll say, well, you know, I just, I, I get nervous or this or that.
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  So you know, part of that is, the process is in order to enter into trance, you have to allow
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  yourself to.
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  Right?
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  It's a, it's a voluntary process.
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  If if you're not in a space that you can do that, there's there's nothing that I can do
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  that's going to make you fall into trance.
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  Right?
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  And in fact, trans is a naturally occurring phenomena.
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  Right?
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  It happens all the time.
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  Driving on the highway.
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  Have you ever Been on the highway.
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  And then all of a sudden, you kinda come up and you look and you're like, oh, where am I?
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  And it takes you a few minutes to reorient and or you perhaps have realized you missed your
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  exit a way back.
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  Right?
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  That's because you were in a trance because your body is used to driving because of the
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  repetition.
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  Right?
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  Habits are formed by, emotion and repetition.
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  And and because you've been driving for so long, it's become automatic and then your brain
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  goes elsewhere and away you go.
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  Or have you ever gotten caught up in a movie?
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  Right?
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  Watching a movie, something happens and you jump.
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  Well, it's not because it's happening in your life.
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  But you've gotten so absorbed in the movie that you're experiencing it as though it was
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  happening to you.
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  And your logical mind knows that this is not real, that these are factors.
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  There are cameras.
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  There are some people.
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  There's costing people, make them people.
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  Right?
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  Your logical mind knows all that, but as you get drawn into the movie and you go into that
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  trance, that all falls away.
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  So so that's the thing.
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  Right?
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  It's it's really important for people to know.
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  It's it's it's not something that is done to them.
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  It's something that they participate in.
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  And the hypnotist is only there to facilitate the process and also to, you know, to do to
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  help with some of the to facilitate some of the change of work.
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  Because it is scary.
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  Right?
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  You're you're people think that you're gonna do something to them and, you know, often they're
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  I think they think of strict street hypnosis, which is a completely different thing, to when
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  someone comes to you, and they're really just trying to make change, whether it's to feel
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  happier or to, you know, follow their goals or, get better in relationships, whatever.
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  The kind of issues that you're dealing with her everyday normal stuff.
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  But like you said, it could be, a lot, maybe a little bit more in-depth, but people come to
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  you for everyday problems too.
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  Correct.
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  Absolutely.
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  It's every, everyday problems.
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  Like, you know, I mean, there's been lots of things.
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  You know, you know, I've helped, anxiety is a a big one depression's a big one as well.
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  You know, things like, tinnitus.
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  So ringing in years, that's been something, you know, someone came to see me with respect to
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  that.
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  So there's, like, there's lots of applications to, to hypnosis.
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  But you're bright.
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  I mean, there's it's the it's the whole perception of hypnosis.
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  Right?
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  A lot of people, some of the fears, they're afraid that they're gonna lose control.
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  You don't lose control.
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  You
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  can't, I can't make anyone do something they wouldn't normally do.
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  People the other fear is telling your secrets.
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  Mhmm.
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  Again.
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  Right?
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  You're not gonna tell anybody anything that that you would normally tell them.
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  And the other thing is the other fear that people have as being stuck in hypnosis.
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  Right?
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  And if you don't keep the trans going, it it won't last.
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  Right?
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  There's there's no known recorded as far as as in in any of my research for my teachers.
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  There's no known instance of anybody getting stuck.
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  So what is trans, Luis?
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  Well, like, trans is, is a a state of focused absorption.
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  Okay.
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  Okay.
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  Right?
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  Where you're you're absorbed in something.
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  You're focused on something, and it's just that intense absorption with a particular item or a
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  particular, you know, that particular, it's you're just absorbed in something.
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  So in hypnosis, I mean, that's where the, the the pendulum comes in or the spirals come in.
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  It's a way of having someone focus their attention on something.
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  Right?
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  And and and once someone focuses their attention on something, And then they listen
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  to, you know, whether it's, whatever kind of induction it is, right, that whole process of,
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  of integrating trans, and just allowing or the person, some people are natural.
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  They they have this natural ability to put themselves into trends.
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  And so when
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  you're putting them into Roxanne, is it is it to focus on the issue they're coming with, or
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  are you putting them into trance to be able to have them look at things from a different
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  perspective to, to get rid of that negative belief.
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  So what I wanna correct in your language is I'm not putting anybody in trans.
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  They are allowing themselves to come into trans.
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  They are they're okay.
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  Let me let me simplify it.
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  If someone comes to me and they say, you know, and they're they're coming for for hypnosis, or
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  hypnotherapy, you know, if they follow in the process, if they follow the directions that I
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  give them, they will, they will, and allow themselves to, to fall into trance and to go
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  into trance and to go deeper into trance.
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  Then it will happen.
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  Okay.
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  Right?
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  So that's the thing.
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  It's not, I really wanna correct that, but it's, it's totally a voluntary process.
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  If someone says to me, Well, I bet you you can't, you know, you can't, you can't hypnotize
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  me.
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  I'm gonna say, yeah, you're right.
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  I'm not even gonna try because if somebody is out to prove that I can't It's it's absolutely
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  gonna happen that way.
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  Mhmm.
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  Right?
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  So so that's the thing.
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  And so what happens is, well, and and to answer your question, it the answer is yes on both
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  counts.
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  I you know, part of the part of the issue might be to to to discover or some blocks to a
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  particular goal to discover some of the layers of a particular issue.
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  Right?
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  Because sometimes, you know, I've had someone come to me wanting to work on, you know, a,
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  And, you know, as we work hypnotically, things come up and it indicates that there may be
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  something else there, there may be B or C or D there.
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  Right?
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  And then, of course, you, you know, you would possibly go into those issues if the, if the
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  individual is okay with doing that.
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  And so you explore what the blocks are, and and then you would clear each of those blocks to
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  the point where it comes up to the original issue.
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  So, so you could be doing that.
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  And on the other side is, is, so clearing things, obviously, that are getting in the way
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  of someone meeting your goals.
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  And on the other side, actually putting in some suggestions to, to have things happen more ease
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  inefferlessly to, you know, so that there's, there's that piece again.
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  So getting rid of what's in the way and then promoting the change work and the actual change
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  led desired.
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  So I I come in.
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  I allow myself to get into trance.
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  I there's blocks that come up along the way.
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  You assist me to clear those.
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  Mhmm.
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  I like to look at the desired state of where I wanna be.
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  Well, the desired state is already there.
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  When you come in, Right.
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  That that's what we would be talking about.
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  You said I'm coming in for, you know, I wanna increase my motivation.
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  Okay.
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  Right?
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  And so I've so we would talk about what that looks like.
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  Right?
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  Well, how will you know that's happened?
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  What will be different?
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  How will you behaving?
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  Right?
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  And then in the hypnotic process, you know, either if there are some blocks looking at some
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  of the blocks, so some of the beliefs or or whatever that may have happened.
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  And then the other on the other piece, installing some some resources.
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  You know, in some cases, it's a it's it's a 2 pronged approach.
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  It's clearing barriers and and then installing the resources because really, people who come
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  for assistance oftentimes are, are feeling unresourceful.
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  And, and part of hypnosis is to install those resources.
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  So a resource might be a a cons like saying something to yourself or focusing on a positive
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  part of your life.
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  Is that what the resource is?
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  Well, those are conscious processes, Roxanne.
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  When you're when you're dealing with the unconscious, it would be, you know, that's
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  where where posts have not suggestion comes in.
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  Right?
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  So you're making suggestions directly to the unconscious mind around, you know, those, those
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  things that would, you know, create, let's say, using the example motivation.
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  Okay.
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  You're actually suggesting it.
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  And the unconscious mind is picking it up and integrating it based on the state they're in.
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  Yes.
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  And the interesting thing about the unconscious mind is, as you know, in, in our minds, things
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  that are similar cluster together.
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  Mhmm.
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  So you may, you, you know, we may target a particular instance or a particular thing, area
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  that you wanna develop more motivation in.
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  But anything that has motivation as a theme, the unconscious mind will then generalize and
• 30:23
  might you might find things, happening in another area.
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  That, that really wasn't targeted, but it's like, Hey.
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  Wow.
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  That's really cool.
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  That, that, you know, I didn't ask for that to happen, but it's happening.
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  And that's usually because the unconscious mind, you know, looks for anything that is
• 30:41
  similar.
• 30:42
  And then we'll, we'll generalize the, the process.
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  Yeah, stickiness by association.
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  So you might affect another part of the person's, you know, theme that fits that they
• 30:53
  won't they they won't even trying to target, but it it by just focusing on that.
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  It it it clears it away for them.
• 30:59
  That's that's That's quite that's quite fascinating.
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  Now tell me if someone's listening and they're they're scared, what's what do you have some
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  words for them, about, hypnosis?
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  If they really wanna try it.
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  If they really wanna try it, I would suggest that, you know, they find someone, and it's
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  okay.
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  I mean, myself, when when I'm doing hypnosis, I will talk to people about the most common
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  fears.
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  And I talk to people until and I I get them to ask questions talk to me about, you know, some
• 31:38
  people say, well, I've heard this.
• 31:40
  And I, you know, I've read that, and and we talk about it.
• 31:43
  It's talking about it.
• 31:44
  And then I answer any questions they might have.
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  Okay.
• 31:48
  Okay.
• 31:49
  And then, and then, you know, and then just taking it a bit at a time.
• 31:53
  Usually, it's it's around fears.
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  It's around, like I said, I I went through the 3 biggest ones.
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  Typically, when people realize that I'm not gonna make them clear out their bank accounts.
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  I'm not gonna make them cluck like a chicken.
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  They're not gonna tell me their secrets, and I'm not going you know, they're not gonna stay
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  stuck in him now.
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  Forever and a transfer ever, typically those are the big ones.
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  But again, it's all about asking questions, educate yourself.
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  So I'm sure everyone's wanting to know more.
• 32:23
  And, so why don't you tell them a little bit about, where you can they can locate you if
• 32:29
  they wanted to reach out and and, figure out, if they could work with re where could they
• 32:34
  find you?
• 32:35
  My I have a website.
• 32:37
  It's, vibrant life.
• 32:39
  The the URL is www.vibrantlife
• 32:44
  dotbiz.
• 32:46
  Awesome.
• 32:46
  Well, again, Louise, you know, you and I can talk a lot about this, and I've actually been
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  through some hypnosis with Louise, and it's, you know, and still I'm fascinated by the the
• 32:56
  actual technical part to things.
• 32:58
  And, the unconscious is you know, so vast.
• 33:02
  And, you know, from being in the field, as long as we both have, we're we're constantly
• 33:06
  learning and know that, you know, you can bypass those things that you no longer want in
• 33:12
  your life.
• 33:13
  It just sometimes it takes a method, and I would say, or an approach of looking at it
• 33:18
  differently.
• 33:19
  And, you know, oftentimes, we might get tripped up.
• 33:22
  And we're like, okay.
• 33:22
  So how do I get I seem to be going around the same bend again over and over again and that
• 33:27
  may be need that, you know, you need to be able to create long term sustainable change that you
• 33:33
  need to tap into the unconscious, which really is kind of driving most of our lives.
• 33:37
  And if it's driving you in a direction, you're thinking it's no longer working, that's where
• 33:41
  something like notions, is important.
• 33:44
  So again, I thank you for tuning in.
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  I'm a keynote speaker, a trainer, and a coach.
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• 33:56
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