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Mastering English Conversation: Interactive Speaking and Listening Practice · SpeakSmart English

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  Speaker 1: You know, I was at the gym the other day,
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  Speaker 1: and bear with me, I promise this connects to our topic.
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  Speaker 1: I was at the gym and I was watching this
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  Speaker 1: guy on the treadmill. Okay, he was running, sweating, clearly,
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  Speaker 1: you know, putting in the work. But then I looked
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  Speaker 1: over at the freewight section and there was another guy
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  Speaker 1: doing these very specific targeted movements, slow, deliberate, focused, and
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  Speaker 1: it just it hit me. There is a massive difference
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  Speaker 1: between just moving and actually training.
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  Speaker 2: That is a profound distinction. It really is. One burns
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  Speaker 2: calorie is the other build structure right. One is let's say, maintenance,
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  Speaker 2: the other is transformation exactly.
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  Speaker 1: And that distinction, that's what has been keeping me up
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  Speaker 1: at night regarding what we're talking about today. We are
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  Speaker 1: doing a deep dive into something that I think, well,
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  Speaker 1: it haunts a lot of us.
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  Speaker 2: I think you're right.
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  Speaker 1: It's the language learning wall. You know, that feeling. You've
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  Speaker 1: got the app on your phone, you've got the street going,
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  Speaker 1: you've memorized the list of vegetables in French or Spanish
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  Speaker 1: or Japanese.
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  Speaker 2: You've checked all the boxes.
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  Speaker 1: You've checked all the boxes, but then you actually try
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  Speaker 1: to have a conversation with a human being and you
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  Speaker 1: just you freeze the.
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  Speaker 2: Classic intermediate plateau. It's the graveyard of fluency.
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  Speaker 1: The graveyard of fluency. Wow, it feels like your brain
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  Speaker 1: just disconnects from your mouth.
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  Speaker 2: It does.
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  Speaker 1: You know the word for cucumber, but you can't ask
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  Speaker 1: someone how their day was without sounding like a like
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  Speaker 1: a malfunctioning robot.
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  Speaker 2: That's a perfect analogy because there is a fundamental disconnect
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  Speaker 2: between passive knowledge, which is, you know, recognizing a word
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  Speaker 2: on a flash card, and active proficiency proficiency which is
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  Speaker 2: retrieving that word, engaging the motor cortex and producing sound
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  Speaker 2: in real time under social pressure. Those are two completely
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  Speaker 2: different neurological processes.
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  Speaker 1: So today we are going to try to solve that,
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  Speaker 1: or at least get our heads around a solution. We
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  Speaker 1: are doing a deep dive into a methodology that claims
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  Speaker 1: to bridge that exact gap.
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  Speaker 2: I'm very interested in this.
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  Speaker 1: We are looking at a source from English Easy Practice,
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  Speaker 1: and right off the bat, the title of their material
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  Speaker 1: caught my eye. They don't call it a lecture or
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  Speaker 1: a lesson. They call it an interactive learning.
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  Speaker 2: Experience, and the specific promise they make is well, it's
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  Speaker 2: quite bold. They claim this isn't just about learning new
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  Speaker 2: in it's it's about training your brain.
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  Speaker 1: Train your brain. I love that phrasing. He goes right
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  Speaker 1: back to my gym analogy. It sounds athletic, it sounds
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  Speaker 1: I don't know, physical.
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  Speaker 2: It creates the right expectation. I mean, if you want
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  Speaker 2: to learn to play tennis, you don't just read a
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  Speaker 2: book about physics and aerodynamic of course not. You get
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  Speaker 2: on the court and you hit the ball. You drill.
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  Speaker 2: This source material, specifically the video lesson we are deconstructing today,
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  Speaker 2: is essentially a series of drills. Drill is designed to
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  Speaker 2: move a learner from I understand too, I can speak okay.
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  Speaker 1: So here is our mission for today. We're going to
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  Speaker 1: reverse engineer this method. We have a four part roadmap
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  Speaker 1: provided by the source itself, a very clear one listening, vocabulary,
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  Speaker 1: listen and answer, and shadowing. We are going to tear
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  Speaker 1: apart each one of those phases to understand why they work.
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  Speaker 1: But and this is the part I'm really really excited about,
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  Speaker 1: we're also going to analyze the narrative content they use.
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  Speaker 2: The case study, if you will, the.
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  Speaker 1: Story right, it's a dialogue between two characters, Mark and Sarah.
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  Speaker 1: And on the surface, it's, you know, a thirty second
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  Speaker 1: chat about running into an old friend. Pretty simple, very simple.
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  Speaker 1: But when you really look at it as we've been
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  Speaker 1: doing it is this incredibly dense, layered example of nostalgia,
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  Speaker 1: social dynamics, and just the art of conversation.
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  Speaker 2: It's a perfect specimen of what we call fatic communication,
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  Speaker 2: you know, the social glue that bonds people together.
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  Speaker 1: Thattic communication. I like that, So buckle up. We're going
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  Speaker 1: to analyze the method. We're going to psychoanalyze Mark and Sarah,
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  Speaker 1: and we're going to try and figure out how to
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  Speaker 1: finally break through that language wall.
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  Speaker 2: Let's do.
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  Speaker 1: Where do we even start with something this structured? It
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  Speaker 1: feels like we have to follow their lead.
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  Speaker 2: I think we have to. We have to start with
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  Speaker 2: the architecture. The source provides a very specific order of operations.
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  Speaker 2: It's not a random collection of tips. It's a sequence.
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  Speaker 2: And phase one is listening practice.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, listening practice. This seems obvious on the surface. You
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  Speaker 1: have to hear the language to learn it. Yeah, but
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  Speaker 1: the source gives a very specific instruction here. They say
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  Speaker 1: focus on the meaning.
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  Speaker 2: That is the key. Focus on the meaning in linguistics.
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  Speaker 2: We talk about the input hypothesis, the idea that you
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  Speaker 2: need to be exposed to a comprehensible input.
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  Speaker 1: Comprehensible input meaning you have to basically understand the.
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  Speaker 2: Gist of it exactly. At this stage, the source is
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  Speaker 2: telling you, do not obsess over the grammar, do not
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  Speaker 2: try to parse every single preposition or verb ending. Just listen.
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  Speaker 2: What is the story, what's the vibe? Who are these people?
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  Speaker 1: It's like watching a movie in a foreign language without subtitles. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: you aren't trying to translate the script line by line,
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  Speaker 1: not at all. You're just trying to figure out if
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  Speaker 1: the guy is angry or if he's ordering a sandwich.
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  Speaker 2: You're looking for the big picture Precisely. You are engaged
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  Speaker 2: the pattern recognition parts of your brain. You are letting
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  Speaker 2: the rhythm of the language just wash over you. It's
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  Speaker 2: a holistic approach before we get granular.
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  Speaker 1: And then we get granular. Phase two vocabulary.
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  Speaker 2: This is where we stop the tape. We pause, We
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  Speaker 2: isolate specific linguistic units, in this case, three key poises,
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  Speaker 2: and we put them under.
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  Speaker 1: The microscope, so you zoom in.
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  Speaker 2: We zoom weigh in, we define them, and crucially, we
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  Speaker 2: see them in new contexts.
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  Speaker 1: That context switching is important, right. I feel like that's
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  Speaker 1: something a lot of methods miss.
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  Speaker 2: It's vital, absolutely vital. If you only learn a word
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  Speaker 2: in one specific sentence, your brain, well, it binds it
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  Speaker 2: to that sentence.
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  Speaker 1: It gets stuck there, like it's fossilized.
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  Speaker 2: That's a great word for it. By seeing it in
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  Speaker 2: a new example, you liberate the word. You realize it's
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  Speaker 2: a tool you can use in all sorts of different situations.
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  Speaker 2: It becomes flexible.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, so we've listened for the gist, we've zoomed in
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  Speaker 1: on the words. Then we move to phase three, and honestly,
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  Speaker 1: this is where the sweat starts to drip. Phase three
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  Speaker 1: is listen and answer.
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  Speaker 2: This is the pivot point. This is where most traditional
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  Speaker 2: study methods fail. They just fall flat. How so, because
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  Speaker 2: up until now you have been a passive recipient, you're
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  Speaker 2: the empty vessel being filled with english. Phase three demands
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  Speaker 2: that you become a producer.
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  Speaker 1: The source calls it interactive practice. And the one rule
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  Speaker 1: they stress over and over is answer.
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  Speaker 2: Out loud, out loud, not on your head, not a whisper,
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  Speaker 2: right out.
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  Speaker 1: Why is that so terrifying? I mean, I'm sitting alone
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  Speaker 1: in my room watching this video and I still feel
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  Speaker 1: awkward talking to my computer screen. There's a real barrier there.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, it's a huge barrier. It's the silent period anxiety.
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  Speaker 2: But neurologically, speaking is a motor skill. It's physical. It
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  Speaker 2: involves the lungs, the vocal cords, the tongue, the lips.
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  Speaker 1: It's a whole body activity almost.
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  Speaker 2: It is thinking. The answer uses one pathway in your brain.
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  Speaker 2: Speaking the answer uses a completely different, much more complex circuit.
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  Speaker 2: By forcing you to answer before the reveal the source
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  Speaker 2: is gamifying that.
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  Speaker 1: Stress game of fying the stress. I like that.
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  Speaker 2: It's simulating the pressure of a real conversation where you
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  Speaker 2: don't have five minutes to look up the answer in
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  Speaker 2: a dictionary.
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  Speaker 1: You have to be quick on your feet or quick
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  Speaker 1: on your tongue.
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  Speaker 2: I guess, precisely. It builds what's called retrieval strength, the
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  Speaker 2: ability to pull that information out of your brain on demand.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, so that's the big hurdle. Then what we have
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  Speaker 1: a final phase Phase four, the shadowing technique.
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  Speaker 2: This is the gym workout. This is the cool down
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  Speaker 2: and the muscle building all in one. Shadowing is where
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  Speaker 2: you listen to the speaker and repeat exactly what they say,
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  Speaker 2: almost simultaneously, like an echo. You are a shadow following
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  Speaker 2: just the split second behind them.
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  Speaker 1: And the focus here shifts again. It's not about meaning anymore,
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  Speaker 1: is it, The Source says, focus on rhythm and intonation exactly.
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  Speaker 2: We are training the ear and the mouth to accept
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  Speaker 2: the music of the language. We are training prosody.
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  Speaker 1: Prosody. That's the rhythm, the pitch, the flow of it, all.
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  Speaker 2: The whole musical package.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, and there's one final instruction the Source gives, which
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  Speaker 1: sort of acts as the wrapper for this whole method.
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  Speaker 1: A prescription, really, They say, keep watching this video every
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  Speaker 1: day for one week.
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  Speaker 2: Consistency. It's the magic ingredient.
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  Speaker 1: Why a week, though, Why not just watch it until
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  Speaker 1: you get it? Why that specific timeframe.
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  Speaker 2: It's about the forgetting curve. You've probably heard of ebbing
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  Speaker 2: House's forgetting.
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  Speaker 1: Curve vaguely, Yeah, the idea that you forget things over time.
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  Speaker 2: Right, if you learn something new today, you will forget
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  Speaker 2: about fifty to eighty percent of it by tomorrow. If
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  Speaker 2: you don't review it, it just evaporates. By prescribing a
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  Speaker 2: one week dosage, the source is utilizing spaced repetition.
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  Speaker 1: So you're interrupting the forgetting process you are.
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  Speaker 2: You encounter the same material again and again until it
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  Speaker 2: moves from your fragile short term memory into your crystallized
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  Speaker 2: long term memory.
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  Speaker 1: It becomes part of you.
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  Speaker 2: It becomes automatic and automaticity that is the definition of fluency.
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  Speaker 1: So that's the container, that's the how. Now I want
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  Speaker 1: to open up the what. Let's talk about Mark.
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  Speaker 2: And Sarah the narrative core the story.
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  Speaker 1: We are dropped into this conversation and it starts, like
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  Speaker 1: a million conversations start every day. Phase one listening. Sarah initiates.
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  Speaker 1: She says, Hey, Mark, how's it going?
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  Speaker 2: A classic classic opening.
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  Speaker 1: And Mark replies, hey, Sarah, not bad, not bad.
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  Speaker 2: I want to pause on not bad for just a second.
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  Speaker 2: It is such a fascinating cultural artifact.
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  Speaker 1: This isn't it. It's not good, it's not great. It's
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  Speaker 1: a shield.
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  Speaker 2: It is the shield. Absolutely in English speaking cultures, particularly
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  Speaker 2: American and British, how's it going is rarely a genuine
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  Speaker 2: inquiry into your you know, your deep existential.
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  Speaker 1: State, right, It's not an invitation to unload all your problems.
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  Speaker 2: No, it is a greeting. It's a ritual, and not
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  Speaker 2: bad is the password that allows the interaction to continue
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  Speaker 2: without becoming heavy. It signals I am functional, I am
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  Speaker 2: safe to talk to.
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  Speaker 1: If he said, well, Sarah, actually I'm having a bit
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  Speaker 1: of a crisis, the whole conversation detrails.
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  Speaker 2: Right there completely. The social contract is broke. So not
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  Speaker 2: bad sets the baseline. But then Mark does something interesting.
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  Speaker 2: He pivots, He breaks the script. He does he says,
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  Speaker 2: I actually ran into an old friend yesterday.
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  Speaker 1: That word actually, yeah, it's doing so much work there
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  Speaker 1: isn't it.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, it's a huge discourse Marker. It signals a shift
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  Speaker 2: from the fatock, the you know, the polite nothingness, to
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  Speaker 2: the narrative.
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  Speaker 1: The real information.
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  Speaker 2: Yes actually tell Sarah Okay, pleasantries are over. I have news.
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  Speaker 2: I have a story for you.
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  Speaker 1: And the news is the hook I ran into an
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  Speaker 1: old friend. Sarah is immediately interested. She asks, really, who
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  Speaker 1: was it?
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  Speaker 2: And this is where we meet the ghost of the story,
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  Speaker 2: a character named Tom.
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  Speaker 1: Tom. We never hear Tom speak, we never see Tom,
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  Speaker 1: but Tom is crucial to this whole thing.
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  Speaker 2: He is the catalyst. Mark defines him with two very
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  Speaker 2: specific pieces of information. He says, we used to play
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  Speaker 2: soccer together back in high school.
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  Speaker 1: Why do you think the source material included those specific details?
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  Speaker 1: Why not just we were friends or I knew him
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  Speaker 1: from school.
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  Speaker 2: Because the brain craze specify high school soccer conjures an image.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, you can picture it.
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  Speaker 2: It implies a timeline years and years ago. It implies
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  Speaker 2: an activity, sweat, teamwork, competition. It grounds the abstract concept
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  Speaker 2: of friend in a concrete reality. It gives the story texture.
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  Speaker 1: It creates a shared history in just a few words exactly.
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  Speaker 2: And Mark assesses the interaction, He gives his verdict. He says,
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  Speaker 2: it was nice catching up after so many years.
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  Speaker 1: Nice again a very safe, very positive word. It's not
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  Speaker 1: amazing or life changing, it's just nice.
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  Speaker 2: It frames the encounter as positive, and this is important
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  Speaker 2: for the learner. The source is associating these random encounters
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  Speaker 2: with positive emotions. It's a subtle but important choice.
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  Speaker 1: Now look at Sarah. This is what I love about
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  Speaker 1: this dialogue. She doesn't just nod and say oh cool,
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  Speaker 1: She participates. She does, she validates him that's cool, and
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  Speaker 1: then she offers a counter story. She matches his energy.
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  Speaker 2: This is the reciprocity norm. It's a fundamental rule of conversation.
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  Speaker 2: If I give you a gift a story, you feel
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  Speaker 2: a social pressure to give me a gift back.
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  Speaker 1: So it's like a conversational pot luck.
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  Speaker 2: That's a great way to put it. Mark brought the
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  Speaker 2: story about a chance encounter, so Sarah's searches her mental
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  Speaker 2: database and finds a matching story to share.
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  Speaker 1: She says, yeah, actually, last month I ran into my
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  Speaker 1: elementary school teacher at the grocery store.
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  Speaker 2: And look at the symmetry there. It's so well crafted.
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  Speaker 2: Mark's encounter was yesterday, Sarah's was last month.
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  Speaker 1: Marx was a peer, a friend, Sarah's was an authority figure,
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  Speaker 1: a teacher.
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  Speaker 2: Right. And the location the grocery store.
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  Speaker 1: The grocery store is the great equalizer.
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  Speaker 2: It really is. There is something inherently funny and relatable
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  Speaker 2: about seeing a teacher at the grocery store.
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  Speaker 1: Oh completely. When you're a kid, you think teachers live
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  Speaker 1: at the school, You think they sleep under their desks.
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  Speaker 2: They do.
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  Speaker 1: Seeing them buying milk or toilet paper is it. It's
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  Speaker 1: a glitch in the matrix. It feels wrong.
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  Speaker 2: It's context collapse. Yeah, you are taking a person from
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  Speaker 2: one specific context as the classroom, and dropping them into
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  Speaker 2: a completely different one. The produce aisle that dissonance, that
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  Speaker 2: surprise is what makes the story memorable.
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  Speaker 1: And Sarah calls it a pleasant surprise.
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  Speaker 2: Again reinforcing the positive. All of these encounters are framed
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  Speaker 2: as good things.
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  Speaker 1: And then they land the plane. They bring the whole
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  Speaker 1: conversation to a sort of philosophical conclusion. Sarah says, that
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  Speaker 1: must have been nostalogic, and Mark says, and this is
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  Speaker 1: the line of the episode. For me, it's emotional. How
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  Speaker 1: we can bump into people from our past when we
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  Speaker 1: least expect it.
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  Speaker 2: It's emotional.
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  Speaker 1: Why that word? Why not it's interesting, or it's crazy,
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  Speaker 1: or it's weird. Why emotional?
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  Speaker 2: Because emotion is the glue of memory. The amygdala, the
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  Speaker 2: part of the brain that processes emotion, sits right next
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  Speaker 2: to the hippocampus, which processes memory. They talk to each other,
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  Speaker 2: their neighbors. If you can make a learner feel something nostalgia, surprise, warmth,
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  Speaker 2: they're statistically more likely to remember the vocabulary associated with
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  Speaker 2: that feeling.
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  Speaker 1: So by explicitly naming the emotion it's emotional, the source.
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  Speaker 2: Is basically it's inviting the learner to feel it too.
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  Speaker 2: It's putting a big red flag on the feeling, saying,
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  Speaker 2: pay attention to this, this matters.
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  Speaker 1: That makes so much sense. We remember the things that
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  Speaker 1: made us feel, not the things we just read.
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  Speaker 2: Precisely, that's the whole principle.
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  Speaker 1: So we've established the story. We have the emotional anchor.
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  Speaker 1: Now let's look at the tools. Phase two vocabulary. The
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  Speaker 1: source pulls out three specific phrases from that dialogue to
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  Speaker 1: deep dive into.
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  Speaker 2: And these aren't random words. They are the key, the
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  Speaker 2: thematic core of chance encounters.
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  Speaker 1: First up, run into.
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  Speaker 2: The definition the source gives is pretty straightforward, to unexpectedly
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  Speaker 2: meet someone or something.
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  Speaker 1: And the example sentence they give is yesterday, I ran
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  Speaker 1: into my old friend at the mall.
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  Speaker 2: Notice the parallel mark ran into a friend. The example
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  Speaker 2: is running into a friend at the mall. It reinforces
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  Speaker 2: the structure makes it easy to grasp. Yeah, but let's
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  Speaker 2: talk about the phrase itself run into.
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  Speaker 1: It's violent, isn't it. It has a physical quality.
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  Speaker 2: It is kinetic, it has energy.
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  Speaker 1: If I run into a wall that hurts, it.
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  Speaker 2: Implies force, It implies momentum. Think about the difference I
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  Speaker 2: met my friend is static, it's flat. It sounds like
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  Speaker 2: a calendar appointment I ran into my friend implies that
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  Speaker 2: I was moving through my life. They were moving through theirs,
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  Speaker 2: and the universe just crashed us together.
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  Speaker 1: It adds drama to the mundane. It makes a simple
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  Speaker 1: meeting sound like an event.
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  Speaker 2: It does it elevates the event from a simple fact
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  Speaker 2: to a small story.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, second phrase, This one is tricky. I think for learners.
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  Speaker 2: I bet, ah, Yes, the gambling metaphor. That isn't about gambling.
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  Speaker 1: Right, I bet? Sarah says, I bet, It's always nice
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  Speaker 1: to reconnect. Now, for a learner, this has got to
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  Speaker 1: be confusing. Is she wagering money? Is she opening a casino?
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  Speaker 1: What's happening?
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  Speaker 2: It's a classic idiom. The source defines it here as
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  Speaker 2: used to express agreement or confidence in a statement or assumption.
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  Speaker 1: So it's about certainty.
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  Speaker 2: It's about certainty, but it's also about empathy. This is
• 16:02
  Speaker 2: a pragmatic marker. It's an example of theory of mind
• 16:06
  Speaker 2: in action.
• 16:08
  Speaker 1: What do you mean by that?
• 16:09
  Speaker 2: Sarah is imagining Mark's internal state. She is imagining that
• 16:13
  Speaker 2: he feels good about this meeting, and she is expressing
• 16:16
  Speaker 2: confidence in that imagination. She's saying, I am confident that
• 16:20
  Speaker 2: you feel this way.
• 16:21
  Speaker 1: I bet it feels nice. It's a way of saying
• 16:23
  Speaker 1: I see you or I understand your feeling.
• 16:26
  Speaker 2: Yes, it creates a bond. If she simply said it
• 16:29
  Speaker 2: is nice to reconnect, she is stating a general fact.
• 16:33
  Speaker 2: It's cold, it's distant, a universal truth exactly, But I
• 16:37
  Speaker 2: bet it's nice implies a shared human experience. I haven't
• 16:40
  Speaker 2: been in your shoes right this second, but I can
• 16:41
  Speaker 2: imagine what it feels like, and I'm pretty sure I'm right.
• 16:44
  Speaker 1: The example they give is interesting too. It's going to
• 16:46
  Speaker 1: rain today. I bet it looks cloudy outside here.
• 16:48
  Speaker 2: The bet is based on physical evidence. The logic is
• 16:53
  Speaker 2: cloud's equals rain. In the dialogue, the bet is based
• 16:57
  Speaker 2: on emotional intelligence. The logic is reconnection equals happiness.
• 17:02
  Speaker 1: It's such a small phrase, just two words, but it
• 17:04
  Speaker 1: makes you sound so much more natural, so much more connected.
• 17:06
  Speaker 2: It's the difference between a textbook and a conversation. It's
• 17:09
  Speaker 2: a huge leap.
• 17:10
  Speaker 1: Okay. Third phrase, bump into.
• 17:12
  Speaker 2: Definition given is to meet or encounter someone or something
• 17:17
  Speaker 2: unexpectedly or by chance.
• 17:19
  Speaker 1: Wait a minute, That is almost word for word the
• 17:21
  Speaker 1: exact same definition as run.
• 17:23
  Speaker 2: Into It is in this context. They are functional synonyms.
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: So why do we need both? Why teach both if
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: they mean the same thing?
• 17:30
  Speaker 2: Variety, aesthetic variety.
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: It's about style, so it's about not sounding repetitive.
• 17:34
  Speaker 2: Precisely. The example provided is I didn't expect to bump
• 17:38
  Speaker 2: into my neighbor while walking my dog this morning.
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 17:41
  Speaker 2: See, bump into feels slightly different to me than run into.
• 17:44
  Speaker 2: It's a nuance. Run into it feels like a collision,
• 17:46
  Speaker 2: like we said, a bit more forceful. Bump into feels
• 17:50
  Speaker 2: like a nudge.
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: Oh that's a good way to put it.
• 17:52
  Speaker 2: It's softer. Oh sorry, I bumped into you. It's gentle,
• 17:55
  Speaker 2: it's more accidental.
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: That's a great nuance. Run Into is high energy. Bump
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: in to is more casual, more low.
• 18:01
  Speaker 2: Key, but functionally for the learner at the stage, they
• 18:04
  Speaker 2: serve the same purpose, and the source uses both to
• 18:07
  Speaker 2: show that you have options in your linguistic toolkit. Mark
• 18:10
  Speaker 2: uses run into first, then later says bump into. He
• 18:14
  Speaker 2: is varying his vocabulary to avoid repetition. That is a
• 18:17
  Speaker 2: hallmark of a fluent speaker.
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: So we've got this story, we've got the vocab. Now
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: he entered the gauntlet phase. Three, listen and answer.
• 18:27
  Speaker 2: The interrogation as you called it.
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: I really want to spend some time here because the questions,
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: the source asks are not what I expected. They aren't
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: simple who what where? Questions. They are surprisingly detailed. They
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: are checking for what I would call high fidelity listening.
• 18:41
  Speaker 2: They're checking for comprehension, yes, but also retention and the
• 18:45
  Speaker 2: ability to synthesize information. It's a multi level check.
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: Let's walk through the very first question who started the conversation.
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: And the answer Sarah did?
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: This forces you to rewind your mental tape to the
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: very first second. You have to remember that initial Haymark.
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: It establishes the social order of the interaction. Who initiated contact?
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: Then? Why did she ask Mark?
• 19:08
  Speaker 2: Simple enough, she asked him how's it going?
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: Right? But then it gets more specific. What did Mark
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: and Tom used to do together?
• 19:15
  Speaker 2: And the answer has to be precise. They used to
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: play soccer together back in high school.
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: You can't just say sports, you can't just say they
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: hung out. You have to get the noun soccer precision.
• 19:25
  Speaker 2: The devil is in the details.
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: Now Here is the question that blew my mind. The
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: sores asks where did Mark meet Tom?
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: Ah? The trap the trick question.
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: The answer provided is Mark didn't mention where he met Tom.
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: This is brilliant pedagogical design, absolutely brilliant.
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: Why what makes it so brilliant Because.
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: The brain is a prediction machine. It abhors a vacuum. Yeah,
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: when we hear soccer and friend and met, our brains
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: automatically paint scene. We fill in the blanks.
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I pictured a park or maybe a coffee shop exactly.
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: We hallucinate details to make the story come plead. The
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: source is forcing the learner to suppress that hallucination and
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: stick strictly to the evidence presented. It's teaching you to
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: listen to what is there, but also what isn't.
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: So it's teaching you to be comfortable with the unknown,
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: with missing information.
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: It's teaching negative knowledge. Knowing what you don't know is
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: just as important as knowing what you do know. It's
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: a very advanced skill.
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: And they contrast that with the question about Sarah. Where
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: did Sarah meet her elementary school teacher?
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: She met her at the grocery store.
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: That detail is there, it's.
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: Explicit, and the learner has to distinguish between the void
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: in Mark's story and the concrete detail in Sarah's it's
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: a comparison task.
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: And then, as if that wasn't enough, the source throws
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: a curveball, a true distractor. It asks did Sarah run
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: into her teacher at the hospital.
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: No, she didn't. She didn't run into her at the hospital.
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: Why I bring up a hospital. It's so random, it's
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: from out a left field.
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: It's the distractor technique. It's a common testing strategy. If
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: I ask you where did she meet her? Yeah, your
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: brain scans its memory for a location match grocery store, boom, okay.
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: But if I ask was it the hospital, your brain
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: has to do a triple backflip. First, retrieve the memory
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: grocery store. Second, compare the retrieved memory grocery store to
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: the prompt hospital.
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: Third, identify the mismatch yeah.
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: Fourth, formulate the negation Yeah, No, it.
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: Was not the hospital. It's a much heavier cognitive lift.
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: You have to work so much harder to answer that.
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: It forces you to be absolutely certain. You can't just guess,
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: You have to actively reject the wrong answer. That builds
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: deep confidence and solidifies the memory.
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: Wow. It also asks about the future, which I found interesting.
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: Did Mark and Tom plan to meet again?
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: And the answer Mark didn't mention any plans to meet again.
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: That is kind of sad when you think about it.
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: It is realistic though, Yeah, hey, great to see you
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: buy forever.
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: That's what it feels like.
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: That is the nature of the chance encounter. It is ephemeral.
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: It is a blip. If the story had them exchanging
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: numbers and planning a dinner date, it would become a
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: different It would be a reunion. Right, This is just
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: a run into The Source captures that transient fleeting quality perfectly.
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: There is also a huge focus on the emotional state
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: in these questions. I noticed that did Mark enjoy catching up?
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: Did Sarah enjoy meeting her teacher?
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: And the answers are always yes, always positive. Yes, it
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: was nice, Yes, it was a pleasant surprise.
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: Why the focus on that? Why keep hammering the positive emotions?
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: It's about what we call the effective filter. The source
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: is trying to lower the anxiety of the learner by
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: constantly reinforcing that these interactions are nice, pleasant, and cool.
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: It tells the learner's subconscious speaking of lynches to strangers
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: is a safe and positive activity.
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: It's conditioning. It's like Pavlov but with English dialogue. Instead
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: of a bell.
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: In a way, yes, a very benign way. It is
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: associating the act of communication with dopamine, not cortisol, with
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: pleasure not fear.
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: So you've listened, you've learned the words, You've been grilled
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: by the narrator, and you've answered out loud, your sweating.
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: Your brain is firing on all cylinders. Now we reach
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: the final boss.
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: Phase four, the art of shadowing the performance.
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: The Source defines this phase very clearly. Read your lines
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: out loud. After the speakers focus on the rhythm and intonation, we.
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: Are leaving the realm of semantics what words mean, and
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: we are now entering the realm of phonology, how words sound.
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: The Source plays the dialogue again, but this time you
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: aren't listening for facts. You're not trying to remember who
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: played soccer. You are listening for music.
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: Every language has a melody. English has a very specific,
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: stress timed rhythm. Some languages are syllable timed, but English
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: is stress timed.
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: And if you don't get that right.
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: If you speak English with the rhythm of French or Japanese,
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: even if your grammar is perfect and your vocabulary is huge,
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: you will sound off. You will be harder to understand.
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: Let's look at some specific lines that really benefit from
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: this shadowing technique. Take Sarah's reaction to the news. Really,
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: who was it?
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: Look at the pitch on tour there. Really it shoots up.
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: It's what linguists call a high rising terminal. It signals
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: surprise and a question.
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: If you read it like a robot, really, who was it?
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: You sound bored or worse. You sound sarcastic, like you
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: don't believe him.
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: You sound like you don't care. Shadowing forces you to
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: mimic that rise. It forces you to act out the
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: curiosity with your voice.
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: Or look at Mark's pacing he says, yeah, actually, there's
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: a little pause in there.
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: That pause is crucial. Yeah, breath Actually it creates suspense.
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: It signals that he is about to deliver the key
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: piece of information.
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: If you just rush it, yeah, actually, you sound nervous or.
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: Flustered, exactly. Shadowing teaches you the power of the pause.
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: It teaches you that you are allowed to take up
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: space and time in the conversation. You don't have to rush.
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: And the big emotional closer from Sarah that must have
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: been nostalgic.
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: The stresses on must that must have been nostalgic, not
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: that muster nostalgia.
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: Or the modal of deduction. Right, she's guessing his feeling correct.
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: She is deducing his feeling, but the intonation carries the empathy.
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: She is wrapping the words in warmth. If you shadow
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: this correctly, you aren't just saying words. You are practicing
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: the sound of empathy.
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: And Mark's final line, it's emotional. How we can bump
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: into people.
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: You have to slow down for emotional, you have to
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: give the word weight, you have to let it land.
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: So shadowing is basically an acting class.
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: It is a voice acting class. And that is precisely
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: why it works. Because when you act the part of
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: a fluent speaker, you trick your brain into believing you
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: are a fluent speaker.
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: You bypass the insecurities completely.
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: You borrow Marx confidence, you borrow Sarah's curiosity. You put
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: on the costume of fluency.
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: Take it till you make it, or fake it.
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: Till you become it. It's about building new habits, new
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: muscle memory, and your mouth and your mind.
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: So we have completed the circuit input listening analysis, BOCAB,
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: active recall questions and performance shadowing It is a complete
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: ecosystem for one little piece of language.
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: It creates a powerful feedback loop. You hear it, you
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: understand it, you test your understanding, and then you perform it.
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: Each step reinforces the.
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: Last and coming back to that final prescription. Yeah, one week,
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: seven days of this seven days. If you do this
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: loop seven times, what happens on day seven? That's different
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: from day one?
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: Oh, it's a world of difference. On day one you
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: are struggling to keep up. You're catching maybe sixty percent
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: of it. You're fumbling the answers. Sure, on day three,
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: you know the answers, You're getting them right. You're feeling
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: more confident. On day five, you are speaking along with
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: them during the shadowing part. You're not just echoing anymore. Okay,
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: By day seven you are anticipating them. You know Mark
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: is going to say not bad before he even opens
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: his mouth. You know Sarah is going to ask who
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: was it?
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: And that anticipation what is that?
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: That is fluency. Fluency is the ability to predict the
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: flow of language. When you can predict it, you can
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: participate in it. You're no longer reacting, You're co creating
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: the coma you own it.
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: That is a really powerful thought. Fluency isn't just knowing
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: all the words, it's knowing what's coming next precisely.
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: It's about internalizing the patterns.
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: So let's zoom out. We've spent this whole time dissecting
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: a forty five second video. What is the big takeaway here?
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: Well, for the language learners listening to us right now,
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: the takeaway is stop studying and start training. Go to
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: the gym, go to the linguistic gym, get physical, open
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: your mouth. The silent period is safe, it's comfortable, but
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: it's a trap. You have to break the silence to
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: get to the next level.
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: For everyone else. You know, maybe you're a native speaker,
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: maybe you just like these deep dives into communication.
• 27:38
  Speaker 2: I think the lesson is about the beauty of the mundane.
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: Marcin Sierah's conversation is simple. It's ordinary. It could happen
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: a thousand times a day in any city. Yeah, but
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: look at the layers we found. The validation, the reciprocity,
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: the empathy, the shared history, the rhythm, the emotional intelligence.
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: We do this miracle every single day without even thinking
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: about it.
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: Into people, We navigate their emotions, We share our stories, we.
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: Are all masters of this incredibly complex game called conversation.
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: We just take it for granted. It's like breathing.
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: We do. But sources like this, when you break them down,
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: they remind us to look closer, to listen harder, to
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: appreciate the artistry In a simple how's it going?
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: I want to leave you with a final thought, something
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: to mull over while you're walking the dog or I
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: don't know, shopping at the grocery store.
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: Hopefully not running into your elementary school teacher and having
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: a full on context collapse.
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: Or maybe hopefully you do. The source tells us it's
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: a pleasant surprise, right, we should seek that out.
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: True. That's a good point.
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: So the source focuses heavily on the unexpected nature of
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: these meetings, the running into, the bumping into. It suggests
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: that these random collisions are where the real emotion of
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: life happens. So here's my question for you, listening in
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: your own life, in your own native language, are you
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: prepared for the unexpected? If you ran into your own
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: Tom from high school today, would you have the social
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: fitness to handle it?
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: That's a great question.
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: Would you be able to pivot from not bad to
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: actually or would you just nod and keep walking.
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: That is a question worth asking. Are we training for
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: the game of life or are we just watching it
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: from the sidelines.
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: I think it's time we all start training. Thanks for
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: diving deep with us today, My pleasure, See you next time.