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- 0:00Last time, we left Cleanthes in the Athenian dark, the old boxer who drew water by
- 0:07night and was happy to be called an ass, so long as the ass was the only animal
- 0:12strong enough to carry what Zeno loaded on him.
- 0:16At the end of that story I mentioned a younger man at the Stoa.
- 0:20Quick, brilliant, restless.
- 0:23A man who argued with his teacher, and who would build the whole school into a
- 0:28system through hundreds of books.
- 0:31I said we'd get to that soon.
- 0:33This morning, we get to him.
- 0:36His name is Chrysippus.
- 0:38Diogenes Laertius tells us that Chrysippus was the son of Apollonius,
- 0:44and a native of either Soli or Tarsus, in Cilicia.
- 0:48Diogenes is honest enough to give us both cities, quoting a writer named Alexander,
- 0:54and he doesn't choose.
- 0:56So we won't either.
- 0:58What he does tell us is stranger and more useful.
- 1:02Before Chrysippus was a philosopher, he practised running as a public runner.
- 1:07A distance man, a man of training and breath and the long stretch of road.
- 1:13And how did the runner end up in a philosophy school?
- 1:17Diogenes passes along one report, from a writer named Hecaton.
- 1:21Hecaton says Chrysippus first applied himself to philosophy when his patrimony had
- 1:26been confiscated, and seized for the royal treasury.
- 1:30That's all the source says.
- 1:32A family property taken, and a young man with nothing left to inherit but his own
- 1:37mind.
- 1:39Whether that was the true hinge of his life, I can't tell you.
- 1:42But I imagine it.
- 1:44A young man in Athens, no estate behind him, no safety, looking for something that
- 1:50couldn't be confiscated.
- 1:52That would fit the school he joined.
- 1:54Diogenes says he became a pupil of Cleanthes.
- 1:58Diocles and most authors, he adds, say Zeno or Cleanthes, and the details are a
- 2:04little tangled.
- 2:06But the pairing that matters is plain enough.
- 2:09The slow, patient, grey haired water carrier on one side.
- 2:14On the other, a lean runner with a mind like a blade.
- 2:18Diogenes calls Chrysippus a man of great natural ability, and of great acuteness in
- 2:24every way.
- 2:26So acute, in fact, that on many points he dissented from Zeno,
- 2:30and from Cleanthes too.
- 2:32And then comes a line I love.
- 2:34He often used to tell Cleanthes that he only wanted to be instructed in the dogmas
- 2:39of the school, and that he would discover the demonstrations for himself.
- 2:44Sit with that for a moment.
- 2:46Give me the conclusions, he says, and I'll find the proofs on my own.
- 2:51It's the voice of a young man who is certainly gifted, and a little hard to be
- 2:56around.
- 2:57I imagine Cleanthes, who had spent nineteen years carrying Zeno's burdens,
- 3:02hearing that from a pupil who had barely unpacked.
- 3:05And I imagine him taking it the way he took the word ass.
- 3:10Slowly.
- 3:11Without much fuss.
- 3:13But the arguments were real.
- 3:16Diogenes says that whenever Chrysippus opposed Cleanthes with any vehemence,
- 3:21he always repented.
- 3:24And he had a way of saying so, borrowing a line from Euripides and bending it to
- 3:29fit.
- 3:30Here it is, in Yonge's words.
- 3:33"In most respects I am a happy man, Excepting where Cleanthes is concerned;
- 3:40For in that matter I am far from fortunate."
- 3:44It's a joke, and it's an apology, and it's a confession, all in three lines.
- 3:51A man who can't stop fighting with his teacher, and who knows it,
- 3:55and who is sorry each time, and who does it again.
- 3:59Then Diogenes gives us the moment that tells us what the quarrel was really made of.
- 4:04Chrysippus once saw a dialectician pressing hard on Cleanthes,
- 4:08throwing sophistical fallacies at him.
- 4:11Cleanthes was not the quickest logician in Athens.
- 4:15Timon had mocked him for it, and Diogenes admits he was slow.
- 4:19Chrysippus stepped in.
- 4:20"Cease to drag that old man from more important business, and propose these
- 4:25questions to us who are young."
- 4:28There it is.
- 4:29He might spar with Cleanthes himself, but he would not let a stranger do it.
- 4:35That's loyalty, and I'd call it a kind of love, though that word is mine and not
- 4:41Diogenes'.
- 4:43The man who wanted to discover every proof for himself still knew whose water he was
- 4:48drinking.
- 4:49Now to the passage for this morning, and to the room where I imagine it happened.
- 4:54Not a scene Diogenes describes, so call it my picture.
- 4:59A table, a lamp, and rolls of papyrus stacked and leaning, and Chrysippus working
- 5:05through a third version of an argument he's already written twice.
- 5:10Here is what Diogenes says, in Yonge's translation.
- 5:13"He was industrious beyond all other men; as is plain from his writings; for he
- 5:19wrote more than seven hundred and five books."
- 5:23Seven hundred and five.
- 5:26Sit with that number.
- 5:27And Diogenes explains how.
- 5:30Chrysippus often wrote several books on the same subject, wishing to put down
- 5:35everything that occurred to him, constantly correcting his previous assertions,
- 5:39and using a great abundance of testimonies.
- 5:42Diocles reports that an old woman who lived with him used to say he wrote five
- 5:47hundred lines every day.
- 5:49The runner, I think, never stopped running.
- 5:52He'd just moved the track onto paper.
- 5:54But the same Diogenes is not only admiring.
- 5:58He says, plainly, "But though he was so eminently able in matter,
- 6:03he was not perfect in style."
- 6:06A great mind, and a clumsy pen.
- 6:10And there's a story that shows it.
- 6:12In one book, Chrysippus quoted very nearly the whole of Euripides' Medeia.
- 6:17Someone picked up the roll, and was asked what he was holding,
- 6:20and answered, "The Medeia of Chrysippus."
- 6:24That brings us to the jab.
- 6:27Apollodorus the Athenian, in a work called Collection of Dogmas,
- 6:32wanted to argue that Epicurus, who wrote out of his own head,
- 6:36without quotations, had produced far more than all the books of Chrysippus.
- 6:42And so he wrote, and Diogenes says he gives his exact words.
- 6:46"For if any one were to take away from the books of Chrysippus all the passages
- 6:51which he quotes from other authors, his paper would be left empty."
- 6:56It's a good line.
- 6:57It's meant to sting.
- 6:59But notice who is speaking.
- 7:02Apollodorus was an Epicurean, a partisan of the rival school,
- 7:07and his whole point was that Epicurus was the more original mind.
- 7:11So this is a rival's jab, not a neutral verdict.
- 7:15I'd hold it the way you'd hold one team's report on another team's game.
- 7:20It may catch something true.
- 7:22Chrysippus did quote heavily.
- 7:24But Chrysippus was not doing it to hide an empty page.
- 7:28He was building a system, and a system needs its evidence laid out on the table.
- 7:34Though that last part is my own reading, not Diogenes'.
- 7:37Around that tireless pen, Diogenes gathers a few sayings.
- 7:43Some admirers claimed that if there were dialectic among the gods,
- 7:46it would be no different from the dialectic of Chrysippus.
- 7:50And there's a couplet people repeated, "For if Chrysippus had not lived and taught,
- 7:55The Stoic school would surely have been naught."
- 7:59That's popular praise, not a measured judgment, but it tells us how he was seen.
- 8:04He was also not a grand figure to look at.
- 8:07Diogenes says he was slight in person, and that his statue in the Ceramicus was
- 8:12nearly hidden by an equestrian statue beside it.
- 8:15Carneades, no friend of the Stoics, called him Cryxippus, a pun on hiding,
- 8:22and on a horse.
- 8:23A philosopher almost covered up by a bronze horse.
- 8:27When a man reproached him for skipping the lectures of Ariston,
- 8:31who was drawing a crowd, Chrysippus answered, "If I had attended to the multitude I
- 8:36should not have been a philosopher."
- 8:38He could also be, let's be honest, a bit sure of himself.
- 8:42When a man asked him to whom he should entrust his son, Chrysippus said,
- 8:46"To me, for if I thought that there was any one better than myself,
- 8:51I would have gone to him to teach me philosophy."
- 8:55At drinking parties, Diogenes says, he behaved quietly, but his legs moved about,
- 9:02so that a female slave once remarked, "It is only the legs of Chrysippus that are
- 9:07drunk."
- 9:08Even at rest, the runner's legs kept going.
- 9:12How did it end?
- 9:13Diogenes gives two accounts, and I'll give you both, and leave them unchosen.
- 9:19Hermippus says that one day, teaching in the Odeion, Chrysippus was invited by his
- 9:25pupils to a sacrifice.
- 9:27He drank some sweet unmixed wine, was seized with giddiness,
- 9:31and died five days later, at seventy three.
- 9:35Others say he died of a fit of immoderate laughter, after seeing an ass eating figs,
- 9:41and telling his old woman to give the ass unmixed wine to wash them down.
- 9:46Two endings, one earnest, one absurd.
- 9:50Diogenes doesn't settle it, and neither will I.
- 9:54So what do the life and the passage say together?
- 9:58A school begins with a man who walks and talks, Zeno, and is held together by a man
- 10:04who endures, Cleanthes.
- 10:07And then it needs the one who writes everything down, tests it,
- 10:12rewrites it, and quotes everyone who might help.
- 10:16A rival called that paper empty.
- 10:19But a school that has to survive its founders needs someone willing to fill seven
- 10:24hundred and five rolls, even if the prose is not perfect.
- 10:28And remember what he said about himself in that Euripides line.
- 10:32Happy in nearly everything, except where Cleanthes was concerned.
- 10:38The great system builder knew he owed a debt to the slow old man he argued with.
- 10:44That, to me, is the most Stoic thing in the story.
- 10:48Not the number of books, but the repenting, and the stepping in to defend the old
- 10:52man.
- 10:53Today's passages come from C.
- 10:55D.
- 10:55Yonge's translation of Diogenes Laertius, Lives of Eminent Philosophers,
- 11:01on Project Gutenberg, number 57342.
- 11:06Next time, we leave Athens, and move to Rome, where a different kind of man opens
- 11:11his letters with a ledger of lost hours.
- 11:14Good morning.