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INTERVIEW: Memphis Bleek Turned Down $75K To Sign With Jay-Z, Talks Roc-A-Fella History, New Podcast + More · The Breakfast Club

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  Speaker 1: Wake that ass up in the morning.
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  Speaker 2: The Breakfast Club.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's the World Knows Dangerous Morning Show, The Breakfast
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  Speaker 3: Club Charlamagne the God, DJ Nvy just hilarious. Envy had
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  Speaker 3: to bounce, but Lauren lo Rossa is in and we
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  Speaker 3: got a special guest in the building. Man, he's got
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  Speaker 3: a new podcast called the Rock Solid Podcast on the
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  Speaker 3: Drink Champs Black Effect Podcast Networks. Him is bleak as hell.
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  Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying.
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  Speaker 4: Blizzo in the building with some lady. That's my guy
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  Speaker 4: right here. I never met your ladies before, you know,
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  Speaker 4: I just met I g Oh, yeah, you know what
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  Speaker 4: I mean. I've seen I've seen you show some love.
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  Speaker 4: I show love back.
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  Speaker 3: You know.
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  Speaker 2: Man, listen your ass. Don't age.
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  Speaker 5: When I say you look good, Think when I was
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  Speaker 5: young and you look good.
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  Speaker 1: Now, thank you. I'm trying to win. I'm trying to
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  Speaker 1: hear that white for you beat watch.
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  Speaker 5: Out into this personality blocker space. Now you my age
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  Speaker 5: is stressed.
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  Speaker 1: I know, Ryan Stratt, I'm not.
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  Speaker 4: I'm not trying to get into the controversy of the
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  Speaker 4: blogger space and trying to bring some jokes.
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  Speaker 1: I want to be like I feel like my podcasts.
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  Speaker 1: I want to be like the sitcom when we was younger.
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  Speaker 4: You know, you had your smack DVDs, your your your
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  Speaker 4: wild moments, but then you could go in the crib
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  Speaker 4: and watch some Martin. You're going to crib and watch
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  Speaker 4: some fresh Prince and you know, get back to your
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  Speaker 4: sense of humor. I feel like that's what my space.
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  Speaker 4: I want to be just enjoying. I don't want no clickbait.
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  Speaker 3: It's interesting though, most people who actually have gotten active
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  Speaker 3: in the street don't want problems.
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  Speaker 1: No, no, no. I love I love this life I live.
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  Speaker 1: I don't got to watch my back. I don't need
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  Speaker 1: no strap. I'm good.
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  Speaker 3: I love it because I even seen people say things
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  Speaker 3: about you on social media and you just you just
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  Speaker 3: laugh at all.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, cause it's like I'm from the era you know,
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  Speaker 4: in the hood that like the more anger you show,
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  Speaker 4: the more laughter comes to follow. So I really learned
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  Speaker 4: that young. It's like you don't show you, you can't
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  Speaker 4: show people that they even penetrate the armor you wear anything.
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  Speaker 4: So I'm always laughing off even though I might be pissed,
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  Speaker 4: but you'll never see that.
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  Speaker 3: You know, most people start a podcast, I guess to
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  Speaker 3: build some credibility.
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  Speaker 2: You already got credibility.
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  Speaker 3: So what do you want to say on the podcast
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  Speaker 3: that you haven't said on records or an interview.
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  Speaker 1: I feel like people don't know my personality.
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  Speaker 4: Like you know, back in our day, you could be
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  Speaker 4: whatever you want it because all they know was a
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  Speaker 4: source magazine picture. They see you on BT or MTV,
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  Speaker 4: your video, by your album, and that's all they knew
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  Speaker 4: of you. Like now on Instagram, people get to see
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  Speaker 4: your everyday life. So if you're corn ball, you're corn
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  Speaker 4: ball for real. So it's like now on the podcast,
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  Speaker 4: what I want to let people know is the personality
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  Speaker 4: and just some of the stories behind the things that
• 2:34
  Speaker 4: we've done that you might have been questioning, how did
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  Speaker 4: that happen? Why did this happen? Why wasn't Bleak involved
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  Speaker 4: in this? Or why wasn't beings or this person involved?
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  Speaker 4: So we had to answer those questions.
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  Speaker 3: You know, you know, you've been in rooms with some
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  Speaker 3: of the biggest names in music, right but on Rock Solid,
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  Speaker 3: are there stories you finally feel comfortable telling now that
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  Speaker 3: you couldn't back then.
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  Speaker 4: No, I don't think I ever played that role in
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  Speaker 4: the game, Like I never We never came in the
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  Speaker 4: game as a crew with images up.
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  Speaker 1: Hell, we always were just who we were.
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  Speaker 4: I believed in integrity, was gonna take you as far
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  Speaker 4: as you needed to go. So it was never no
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  Speaker 4: rap image I portrayed or something. But it's just things
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  Speaker 4: I can't talk about now because the big homie married.
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  Speaker 1: We married, So God, can't you know I got a
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  Speaker 1: pg it. I can't trade it. Like, so.
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  Speaker 2: Have you and your wife ever watched backstage again?
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  Speaker 1: No, I can never watch that one. No way.
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  Speaker 4: I have to tell that wasn't me. The guys she
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  Speaker 4: know today that's not him.
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  Speaker 3: All bad an imparting backstage with one of y'all. I
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  Speaker 3: think it's you ad like I didn't. I don't funk
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  Speaker 3: all the Texas or something that, but half the country flipped.
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  Speaker 1: And reversed it. Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: I was on some ship we was battling and not records,
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  Speaker 4: but we had versus for real.
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  Speaker 5: So any upcome and guess that you well, is it
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  Speaker 5: out yet?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah?
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  Speaker 4: We just first episode with jo ru yesterday, so that
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  Speaker 4: that did really good. A lot of people didn't know
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  Speaker 4: me and Joe had that relationship. So that's the things
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  Speaker 4: like I want people to understand, like behind the scenes
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  Speaker 4: behind the music. We real regular people. Like my first
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  Speaker 4: friend in the music business was Joan ru Like, you know,
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  Speaker 4: people from the outside would think it was Beans or
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  Speaker 4: Freeway or somebody from Rockefeller.
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  Speaker 1: The first person I.
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  Speaker 4: Met hanging out riding around with was joh Like people
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  Speaker 4: don't know even Nick Cannon. Nick Kennon used to be
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  Speaker 4: in mostly with us, Like it's because my friend, this
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  Speaker 4: kid from my projects named clep rest In Peace, he
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  Speaker 4: actually used to write for Nick.
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  Speaker 1: Like we all was managed by the Sacred Producer, I.
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  Speaker 4: Mean same manager, you know, be Hot Jay Cousin managed
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  Speaker 4: all three of us, Nick, me and Clep you know,
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  Speaker 4: so he used to spit.
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  Speaker 2: To manage Nick Cannon.
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  Speaker 4: He never told me, Yeah, been a priority.
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  Speaker 1: He was. He was.
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  Speaker 4: He was always talking about going in the show biz
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  Speaker 4: back then too, like.
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  Speaker 1: Like music was never his thing.
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  Speaker 4: So to see where he took it and what he
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  Speaker 4: do is like you lick like I've just seen him
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  Speaker 4: at the Super Bowl h February, you know, and I'm like,
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  Speaker 4: I need to get on that show cause y'all the freestyling,
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  Speaker 4: battling this.
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  Speaker 1: And that's that's my that's my area.
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  Speaker 4: So you know, I'm gonna go do that he definitely
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  Speaker 4: got to pull up to the podcast.
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  Speaker 2: What was Nick doing in Marcy?
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  Speaker 4: Just chilling, just regular stuff, Like you know, he was
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  Speaker 4: a regular dude. This before the fan, before any of this,
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  Speaker 4: but the kids and all of that crazy crap. This
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  Speaker 4: was just regular Nick on the block, hanging out. He
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  Speaker 4: just wanted to be in the hood. Like a lot
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  Speaker 4: of people that met us back then was on some
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  Speaker 4: yo you from Marcie. I want to go because you
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  Speaker 4: couldn't go to Marsie back if you didn't know somebody
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  Speaker 4: or go with somebody certified. Wasn't no walking through Marsie.
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  Speaker 4: So a lot of people they want to experience it now.
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  Speaker 2: I made it sound fun. You did make sound like
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  Speaker 2: cant coon a little.
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  Speaker 4: Bit, a little bit, you know a little bit. For us,
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  Speaker 4: it was because we were the guys, but anybody couldn't
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  Speaker 4: do that.
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  Speaker 2: So your man used to go straight for Nick Cannon.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, man, he.
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  Speaker 2: Get like, what what record was?
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  Speaker 4: I don't know it was those records, but it was
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  Speaker 4: like his demos to help him get a deal, like
• 6:20
  Speaker 4: when he first was rapping, first doing this thing, like yeah,
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  Speaker 4: Nicks was in the studio with us and all of that,
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  Speaker 4: but you know it was nice.
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  Speaker 1: I always thought he was talented.
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  Speaker 2: I ain't say that, I said you thought he was.
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  Speaker 1: I always thought he was talented.
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  Speaker 4: And then a couple of times you give the guys
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  Speaker 4: your dang Nick got a classic.
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  Speaker 3: NA.
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  Speaker 4: I think that's the fear of every artist, like Yah,
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  Speaker 4: they't gonna rock with me, or somebody gonna be like
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  Speaker 4: dang Nick.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, especially being around y'all, though, like that's a
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  Speaker 5: different it got are very different rappers than in Nick Cannon.
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  Speaker 4: No, but it was it was rough, like growing up,
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  Speaker 4: like just even being in the Rockefeller Camp Baseline studios.
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  Speaker 4: Remember we only had two rooms with fourteen artists, so
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  Speaker 4: it's like you.
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  Speaker 1: Couldn't be in there playing with bars.
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  Speaker 4: You had to get out if you was laying something
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  Speaker 4: that wasn't rocking, They it's time to go. We got
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  Speaker 4: six people waiting for that space.
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  Speaker 3: So sleuthing Nick, though definitely you speak about Baseline. You
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  Speaker 3: were the first artists to be called the head to
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  Speaker 3: jay Z's thrown like Jay called you the head to
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  Speaker 3: the throne. What's something you learned about pressure and expectation
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  Speaker 3: that took That took some time for you to understand.
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  Speaker 4: It's not reality, like people will put limits and expectations
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  Speaker 4: on you that you don't have for yourself or even see.
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  Speaker 4: Like when Jay said that, I was like, I'm the
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  Speaker 4: new improof. What since when who told you? They didn't
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  Speaker 4: tell me that, so it was like, oh work. So
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  Speaker 4: it's like, you know, you gotta do your thing and
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  Speaker 4: write and try to better yourself, learn the game, learn
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  Speaker 4: perfect your role. But the dominoes don't always fall the
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  Speaker 4: way you hope.
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  Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying.
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  Speaker 4: Of course I wanted to be the biggest one to
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  Speaker 4: be this, but unfortunately I grew up with the sun
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  Speaker 4: and it's like any fire I put out, he burnt out.
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  Speaker 4: So it was nothing I could do. I just accept
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  Speaker 4: my spot. But he was capping.
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  Speaker 2: You might have saw something you that you didn't see
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  Speaker 2: in yourself.
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  Speaker 4: That's what I He definitely did and to this day,
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  Speaker 4: like you know, Jay pushed me to do I send
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  Speaker 4: them music. It's so weird because I got a new
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  Speaker 4: project coming out right on the twentieth Apartment three D.
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  Speaker 4: It's probably like my third album I recorded since my
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  Speaker 4: last studio album. The first two he done shut down.
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  Speaker 4: So when I started sending them records from this one,
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  Speaker 4: and he like, this is it you're doing your thing.
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  Speaker 1: I'm like, what changed.
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  Speaker 4: I'm still trying to figure out what changed, because now
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  Speaker 4: it's like you rocking with all the joints.
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  Speaker 2: What happened?
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  Speaker 4: I think, you know, it's just where you're at in
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  Speaker 4: your life and what you're talking about.
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  Speaker 2: So you was Apartment three D and they were apartment
• 9:01
  Speaker 2: uh fossie. And see that's what I like.
• 9:04
  Speaker 3: People always know you from the music with Jay Rady, like, oh,
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  Speaker 3: that's Jay's protege. But yo, y'all grew up together in
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  Speaker 3: the trenches.
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  Speaker 1: But that's the thing we grew up to, not together.
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  Speaker 4: People think that, like they gotta remember Jay is like
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  Speaker 4: the big brother, like the uncle, like I was the kid,
• 9:21
  Speaker 4: like one of his nephews on the black.
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  Speaker 1: He didn't hang with me.
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  Speaker 4: He came and got me, like seeing me doing reckless stuff,
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  Speaker 4: he would, you know, put me on the right track,
• 9:29
  Speaker 4: correct me, give me gang.
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  Speaker 1: But it wasn't no hanging out. It was like, all right,
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  Speaker 1: I see you. That's Jay with that fan. I see you.
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  Speaker 4: So the day when I seen it with Clark Kent
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  Speaker 4: rest in Peace, it was like, man, he always pulling
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  Speaker 4: up with the Illis cars, the baddest joints. Man, I
• 9:42
  Speaker 4: gotta get on this boat. I gotta find out how
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  Speaker 4: to be a passenger on that boat. So I just
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  Speaker 4: shot my shot and they weren't.
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  Speaker 3: Well, what was something he taught you during that era
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  Speaker 3: that fans wouldn't know that we might hear on the
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  Speaker 3: on the Rock Stylar podcast.
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  Speaker 4: Man, everything you see? Man, just the if I live the
• 10:00
  Speaker 4: man I am like Jay taught me. I'd learn everything
• 10:04
  Speaker 4: from him. Biggs Dang my manager be high. I could
• 10:08
  Speaker 4: say it was a collective thing because without them, who
• 10:10
  Speaker 4: knows where I'll be in life right now. But one
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  Speaker 4: of the main things I learned from Jay is stay
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  Speaker 4: on top of your business.
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  Speaker 3: Man.
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  Speaker 4: Don't like you got manager's lawyers, all of that, but
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  Speaker 4: nobody know what you want but you and what you're
• 10:23
  Speaker 4: gonna get with you, So stay on top of your business.
• 10:27
  Speaker 4: That's why I just had to talk with him this morning,
• 10:29
  Speaker 4: because you know, with the Rock Solid podcast, we had
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  Speaker 4: the rock logo on the podcast. But of course, you know,
• 10:36
  Speaker 4: people wait till the last day to try to get
• 10:38
  Speaker 4: you to handle business. So I'm like, yo, I can't
• 10:41
  Speaker 4: put that pressure on Jay right now, he on tour
• 10:43
  Speaker 4: with his wife. He doing you know, I don't want
• 10:45
  Speaker 4: to be talking business, but I did send a message.
• 10:47
  Speaker 1: So we talked about it today and he.
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  Speaker 4: Like, yo, bro, I don't just be licensing my my
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  Speaker 4: logo and my likeness out to anybody.
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  Speaker 1: And I'm like, I've been in this game forever.
• 10:58
  Speaker 4: What makes you think I don't I own my show,
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  Speaker 4: like the single on to nobody else.
• 11:02
  Speaker 1: And he's like, I'm like, I learned from the best.
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  Speaker 4: Nobody owns anything you do, and now why would I
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  Speaker 4: give away anything I do?
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  Speaker 5: Right?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah?
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  Speaker 5: So it was just do you think as a as
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  Speaker 5: an artist?
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  Speaker 2: Right? Because I know you said you learned a lot
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  Speaker 2: from Jay business wise?
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  Speaker 5: Right, do you think as an artist if you would
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  Speaker 5: have signed to somebody else, you would have been a
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  Speaker 5: bigger artist?
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  Speaker 4: Nah?
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  Speaker 1: Probably be.
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  Speaker 4: I probably wouldn't be here cause you know, you get
• 11:24
  Speaker 4: your one and done, your two albums, You're done. That's
• 11:26
  Speaker 4: what made me. It's so weird, all right, that's what
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  Speaker 4: made me signed with Jay. I remember my manager be
• 11:32
  Speaker 4: how he ain't gonna like that I'm telling this story.
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  Speaker 4: We had an offer from Capitol Records, right. They wanted
• 11:37
  Speaker 4: to give me three point fifty with a seventy five
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  Speaker 4: thousand dollars signing bonus and I was like, nah, they
• 11:42
  Speaker 4: didn't want it, and he like, yo, you know what
• 11:44
  Speaker 4: seventy five thousand dollars could do for you?
• 11:46
  Speaker 1: It'd change everything in your household, like these was Marci
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  Speaker 1: struggling days.
• 11:51
  Speaker 4: And I'm like, I feel you, But that seventy five
• 11:53
  Speaker 4: thousand dollars come from somebody I don't know. So today
• 11:56
  Speaker 4: my train slipped, They not going to invest back in
• 11:59
  Speaker 4: the train to get me back on track.
• 12:01
  Speaker 1: So I'd rather roll with Hole. And it's before J.
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  Speaker 1: It was no Rockefeller.
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  Speaker 4: He was still this was Reasonable Doubt on Priority Jay,
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  Speaker 4: and he was like, yo, but what if you know
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  Speaker 4: Rockefeller is a dream of J. What if it never manifests?
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  Speaker 4: And I'm like, then it'll never be no bleak. I'm
• 12:18
  Speaker 4: cool with that, you know, but my dice is with
• 12:21
  Speaker 4: somebody that I know. Rather roll on somebody I don't.
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  Speaker 4: This was during Reasonable Dow because Reasonable Doubt came out
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  Speaker 4: on Priority. A lot of people think it came out
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  Speaker 4: on Death.
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  Speaker 1: Jam, but it didn't.
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  Speaker 5: I was literally gonna say, people talk so much about
• 12:35
  Speaker 5: your loyalty and that story and speaks to it, right,
• 12:37
  Speaker 5: how has your loyalty had to change as y'all grew
• 12:40
  Speaker 5: because you've known them for so you've known jay Z
• 12:42
  Speaker 5: for so long, like it's been it's so long at
• 12:45
  Speaker 5: this point, excuse me.
• 12:46
  Speaker 4: It's weird seeing what people what I always saw in him,
• 12:51
  Speaker 4: because to me, he was always larger than life. Some
• 12:54
  Speaker 4: kids grow up looking at sports players, movie stars. My
• 12:58
  Speaker 4: next door neighbor was my inspection. I'll go outside. He
• 13:01
  Speaker 4: has the cause nobody had. I look at his neck.
• 13:04
  Speaker 4: He wearing Jerry no one in the projects can afford.
• 13:08
  Speaker 4: You know, he's flying, traveling places. Member Jay got a
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  Speaker 4: picture in London and the BMW. It's like nineteen ninety three,
• 13:15
  Speaker 4: it's like ninety two. Like nobody wasn't traveling like that
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  Speaker 4: back then. So he was my inspiration to get money
• 13:22
  Speaker 4: so to watch the world see him as the billionaire.
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  Speaker 1: He always been that to me. So I don't think
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  Speaker 1: anything changed.
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  Speaker 4: Because the day I decided to be like, yo, I
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  Speaker 4: want to get money, I knew I want to get
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  Speaker 4: money like them them tie tying on.
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  Speaker 3: Oh my god, it's funny even you know, not the
• 13:42
  Speaker 3: Lawrence question so kind of. But you know, you see
• 13:44
  Speaker 3: people online saying things like bleak too loyal to Jay,
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  Speaker 3: like How is there such thing as being.
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  Speaker 2: Too loyal to somebody? I don't know, especially if it's reciprocated.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, like, how can you be too I don't know
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  Speaker 4: no other way. I don't know no other person. Like
• 13:57
  Speaker 4: what I'm supposed to do? What they wanted me to do.
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  Speaker 4: I don't know who I was gonna get a deal with.
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  Speaker 4: We're artists. I'm gonna go sign with another artist and
• 14:04
  Speaker 4: be like, yo, I'm this crew. Now, that'll never happened.
• 14:07
  Speaker 1: So it's just like when Rockefeller died.
• 14:09
  Speaker 4: That's why they ever chased music, because it's like, what
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  Speaker 4: I'm gonna do, I'm gonna be g unit, I'm gonna
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  Speaker 4: go be this guy over here.
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  Speaker 1: I'm never If it ain't Rockefeller, it ain't nothing. You know.
• 14:19
  Speaker 3: It's funny, right, you all wanted a few artists from
• 14:22
  Speaker 3: that era. Who seems like you never chased Clout when
• 14:25
  Speaker 3: things slowed down? Oh no, was that a conscious decision
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  Speaker 3: or just your character?
• 14:28
  Speaker 4: We always been lit like since a kid, we always
• 14:32
  Speaker 4: been lit, like you know, like growing up man in Brooklyn.
• 14:36
  Speaker 4: Brooklyn was you gotta remember Brooklyn is as big as
• 14:39
  Speaker 4: the city were bigger, it actually bigger than Bad And
• 14:42
  Speaker 4: if you think it's a burrough so in Brooklyn. Once
• 14:45
  Speaker 4: you was known in the Star, Crown Heights, Coney Island.
• 14:49
  Speaker 1: You man, you ain't. You didn't need nothing else Like so.
• 14:54
  Speaker 4: This industry thing, a lot of these people I feel
• 14:58
  Speaker 4: like because who they always wanted to be with rap fing,
• 15:04
  Speaker 4: I've been who I was and just got rap thing.
• 15:08
  Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying, Like I didn't have to
• 15:10
  Speaker 4: portray any type of That's what I mean that we
• 15:12
  Speaker 4: didn't portray. This guy has always been me like anybody
• 15:16
  Speaker 4: that know me, No, yo, been the same guy since
• 15:18
  Speaker 4: day one. Where you can look at a lot of
• 15:21
  Speaker 4: these rappers and you could see, man he acted once
• 15:24
  Speaker 4: the act stop, the career stops. And that's how so
• 15:28
  Speaker 4: for me, I ain't chasing No cloud is fake.
• 15:31
  Speaker 1: It don't really isn't made up. It don't mean anything.
• 15:33
  Speaker 5: What was your first thoughts like when things were dissembling, right, Like,
• 15:36
  Speaker 5: what's your first thought? Go to wise like career wise?
• 15:38
  Speaker 5: Like what do you because now you y'all there, y'all
• 15:40
  Speaker 5: established people know y'all you've been who you've been.
• 15:43
  Speaker 1: Oh, I had no clue. I had no clue.
• 15:46
  Speaker 4: That's why I give on my wife all of credit
• 15:48
  Speaker 4: because she really put the pieces together and helped me
• 15:51
  Speaker 4: see the vision again because to me, it was over.
• 15:54
  Speaker 4: I didn't know what to do, what direction to go,
• 15:56
  Speaker 4: And when I met her, she was just like, you tripping,
• 16:01
  Speaker 4: this is what.
• 16:01
  Speaker 1: We need to do. Boom boom, boom boom, and we
• 16:03
  Speaker 1: put it to guy.
• 16:04
  Speaker 2: Here we are. And that's interesting because it's not like
• 16:06
  Speaker 2: you didn't have people.
• 16:07
  Speaker 4: No, and I had peoples, but it's still like when
• 16:11
  Speaker 4: you do something and that's all you know. Like remember
• 16:14
  Speaker 4: I never had a job, like, never had to fill
• 16:16
  Speaker 4: out a resume. I got a deal I.
• 16:18
  Speaker 1: Was fifteen years old, Like, I never had to work ever.
• 16:22
  Speaker 1: Rule My work was rap. So when it was over,
• 16:25
  Speaker 1: it was like I'm gonna do I don't do construction.
• 16:31
  Speaker 1: I'm sweep. I never swept like, so it was like
• 16:34
  Speaker 1: what I'm doing.
• 16:35
  Speaker 4: Then my wife was like you bugging y'all hold me
• 16:37
  Speaker 4: own ninety businesses, go figure out a way in one.
• 16:40
  Speaker 4: And that's how Duce came apart. And it's like, Okay,
• 16:43
  Speaker 4: I'm the liquor man now I sell drugs again.
• 16:48
  Speaker 3: Listen, I want to ask you, like if you could
• 16:50
  Speaker 3: go back to one session from the early rock days
• 16:53
  Speaker 3: not to change it, but just to relive it.
• 16:56
  Speaker 2: What would it be?
• 16:57
  Speaker 4: And why see, I'm gonna tell you another story people
• 17:00
  Speaker 4: on the Clue tape, I remember it was Jay Z
• 17:04
  Speaker 4: and Source Money. My first time he including invite us
• 17:07
  Speaker 4: to the studio. Jay and Source Money they murdered a verse.
• 17:11
  Speaker 4: Now mind you, I'm fifteen years old sitting there like,
• 17:15
  Speaker 4: and y'all want me to rhyme.
• 17:17
  Speaker 1: After these two guys, I don't think it's gonna happen.
• 17:19
  Speaker 4: And Clue like, yo, go ahead, So Jy like, Yo,
• 17:22
  Speaker 4: you're gonna give up an opportunity. You got a shot
• 17:24
  Speaker 4: right now, you better write son And I'm looking at
• 17:26
  Speaker 4: him like, I ain't got it. After what y'all said,
• 17:30
  Speaker 4: I don't think it's nothing I could say. So I
• 17:32
  Speaker 4: missed that opportunity. And when that tape came out, it
• 17:34
  Speaker 4: was like one of the biggest freestyleusand Marcia by playing
• 17:38
  Speaker 4: it going crazy through Brooklyn and I'm like, I was
• 17:41
  Speaker 4: right there.
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: I could have been a part of it. So if
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: anything would be that. And on the j R. Kelly
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: album Best.
• 17:50
  Speaker 4: Of Both Worlds, if you listen to it, he was
• 17:52
  Speaker 4: like if one of the songs I think it was
• 17:54
  Speaker 4: somebody girl is at this party song.
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: If you listen to the.
• 17:57
  Speaker 4: Beginning, he saved my name em extra money, Let's go,
• 18:01
  Speaker 4: And I never wrote my verse, Why.
• 18:03
  Speaker 2: You little scared ass man?
• 18:05
  Speaker 4: No, no, see, we had a thing in Rockefeller. It
• 18:08
  Speaker 4: wasn't scared. It's called bullshit with balls. When you think
• 18:12
  Speaker 4: you too lit, you out here doing too much that
• 18:15
  Speaker 4: you ain't got time for the balls. It wasn't this
• 18:17
  Speaker 4: clue take was shooks dog Kelly was.
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: I was lit. I'm outside the thirties on me. I'm lit.
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: I ain't got time being the studio.
• 18:25
  Speaker 4: That's how I clipped a value one too, I thinking
• 18:28
  Speaker 4: I was too lit, and they left me went on
• 18:31
  Speaker 4: the tour with bad Boy Biggie and them.
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: I missed it, missed the old tour.
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: What what in my lifetime? I boty won what you
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: was doing? Though?
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: I was? I was lit in Brooklyn, I had I
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: just bought a truck from Skaying.
• 18:42
  Speaker 4: I got TVs twenty six is on it. I'm sixteen
• 18:46
  Speaker 4: years old. I'm at every high school in Brooklyn blasting music.
• 18:50
  Speaker 4: That's what I'm doing. I thought I made it. I
• 18:52
  Speaker 4: didn't know it was the rest of this. I just
• 18:54
  Speaker 4: thought being known to a and I'm.
• 18:58
  Speaker 5: Lit, this is it and then I left off.
• 19:04
  Speaker 4: Yeah, and that's the time Jay came to the crib
• 19:06
  Speaker 4: and gave me a to I spoke about this on
• 19:08
  Speaker 4: Drink Champs and he was like, yo, dog, I'm rich.
• 19:11
  Speaker 4: I'm trying to make you like put your family on,
• 19:13
  Speaker 4: like I don't need you, you need me.
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: And that was the last time I missed anything.
• 19:20
  Speaker 5: Man, I was gonna ask you because I watched Drink
• 19:24
  Speaker 5: Champs and I saw that. But you also have crazy
• 19:27
  Speaker 5: amounts of jay Z features. It's like twenty four to
• 19:29
  Speaker 5: twenty five of them.
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: How many I think we are about thirty thirty?
• 19:32
  Speaker 5: Okay, So in the accumulation of all those thirty, your
• 19:35
  Speaker 5: go to what's your favorite one of them?
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: Hypnotic?
• 19:39
  Speaker 4: Hypnotic because I could say the way that song came about,
• 19:42
  Speaker 4: Jay wasn't supposed to be a part of it. He
• 19:44
  Speaker 4: thugged his way on that one. Like you know, Beans,
• 19:48
  Speaker 4: Beans was the one who came up with the whole concept.
• 19:50
  Speaker 4: We were supposed to do the Beans and Bleak album
• 19:52
  Speaker 4: in Miami. He was bullshiting with balls, like I said,
• 19:56
  Speaker 4: going to the club. So I come to the studio
• 20:00
  Speaker 4: Beans in there the studio dark, these things got encense,
• 20:03
  Speaker 4: playing a blasting all type shit, and I hear this
• 20:05
  Speaker 4: song and I'm like, what the hell is the beans? Like, Yo,
• 20:07
  Speaker 4: I just caught this vibe and I'm making this record
• 20:09
  Speaker 4: and I'm like, he like, Yo, you should put a
• 20:10
  Speaker 4: verse on it, and I'm like all right. And then
• 20:12
  Speaker 4: we get back home. We playing the joint for Jay
• 20:15
  Speaker 4: in the office. He like when my verse go, go
• 20:18
  Speaker 4: extend that beat. And then the record came out Nobody,
• 20:21
  Speaker 4: and then we ain't know what album to put it
• 20:22
  Speaker 4: on because nobody album was coming out at that time.
• 20:25
  Speaker 4: So that's how it ended up on my album. So
• 20:27
  Speaker 4: I could say that's one of my favorite go to
• 20:30
  Speaker 4: records because it's a least expected record from all three
• 20:32
  Speaker 4: of us. Like somewhere we allaying none of us ever
• 20:36
  Speaker 4: touched before.
• 20:37
  Speaker 5: We're gonna get a Jay z Bleak sit down on
• 20:39
  Speaker 5: the podcast people I.
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: Want to, but not right now because Jay heat. Yeah.
• 20:46
  Speaker 4: Like what people don't understand is no matter how old
• 20:49
  Speaker 4: I get, Jan ain't gonna let me be the businessman
• 20:53
  Speaker 4: sitting there like I could really conduct the conversation with him, like, yo,
• 20:56
  Speaker 4: so you know what we did. It's never like this
• 21:00
  Speaker 4: will be the hardest interview to do, like because he's
• 21:03
  Speaker 4: gonna diss me the whole interview.
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: Like do I want people to know he talked to
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: me this way?
• 21:11
  Speaker 4: Do we say certain things? Do we talk to each other?
• 21:14
  Speaker 4: Like he might not even want people to know how
• 21:16
  Speaker 4: I talk to him all the time, Like you know,
• 21:18
  Speaker 4: like even with the Jai ru Uh Jay funny because
• 21:22
  Speaker 4: the Jairou interview come out, he hit me, yo, that
• 21:25
  Speaker 4: wasn't me who said no?
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: Do you find out what nah?
• 21:33
  Speaker 3: Man?
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: I think? I don't know, man, you know, I don't
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: think nobody said no.
• 21:37
  Speaker 4: I think it was just two camps moving too fast,
• 21:42
  Speaker 4: like I told jab joab blew up his astronomically. Man,
• 21:47
  Speaker 4: when we before we talked about doing an album together.
• 21:50
  Speaker 4: We were both Nobody's. We were both features on the
• 21:54
  Speaker 4: jay Z Talk.
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: I was there.
• 21:56
  Speaker 3: My first concert ever was a hard Knock Life to It.
• 21:58
  Speaker 3: That was two thousand and talk in South Carolina.
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: We come boy to you and he bought you and Jill.
• 22:03
  Speaker 4: Just the freestyle no beans and joh beans and joah yeah,
• 22:06
  Speaker 4: and then I came out on this to all right.
• 22:08
  Speaker 4: That's what the single I had out at the time,
• 22:10
  Speaker 4: But after that tours like Joe was four million sold
• 22:13
  Speaker 4: everything he dropped. I seen him in the mall one
• 22:17
  Speaker 4: hundred crips and bloods with them like, oh he ain't
• 22:19
  Speaker 4: the same my guy. He on he out there man.
• 22:22
  Speaker 4: So that's what I think it was. Man, two crews,
• 22:26
  Speaker 4: that two superstars. Man, there's no time you know what
• 22:29
  Speaker 4: I'm saying. It ain't like it was malice involved. It
• 22:31
  Speaker 4: is just we get into this money.
• 22:34
  Speaker 3: That you got a podcast though, because I feel like
• 22:37
  Speaker 3: there's a core of rocker fella all that crew that
• 22:41
  Speaker 3: gets talked about.
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: But they don't ever respond. Like Jay gets talked about
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: all the time. You get talked about all the time,
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: and we get talked about time, and it's.
• 22:49
  Speaker 3: A whole gang of y'all old friends and stuff that's
• 22:51
  Speaker 3: always talking about y'all, but we don't ever hear the
• 22:54
  Speaker 3: other side.
• 22:54
  Speaker 4: Because it's too much the cover. It's too much like yo,
• 22:58
  Speaker 4: I go on Twitter. Rock Nation is blank for everything.
• 23:02
  Speaker 4: We the reason why people in jail were the reason
• 23:04
  Speaker 4: why guns Like I don't know why did since when
• 23:09
  Speaker 4: Rock Nation have all this influence, we could influence people
• 23:13
  Speaker 4: in other countries that lock people up when they land,
• 23:15
  Speaker 4: Like if we had that much power.
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: They need to.
• 23:19
  Speaker 4: Clear some of this red tape for me and my
• 23:21
  Speaker 4: g's because I got to do still on parole.
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: Why why can't get them off there? And we could
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: put you in?
• 23:26
  Speaker 3: Why can't get somebody off? Has definitely become the evil Empire, Yo,
• 23:31
  Speaker 3: It's crazy.
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: I don't know why, but you know it's the thing
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: in our community.
• 23:34
  Speaker 4: When you make so much money, it gotta be some
• 23:37
  Speaker 4: type of evilness to it.
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: But my thing is, why didn't I get the evil
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: spell or potion?
• 23:42
  Speaker 4: They just left me out the whip when it did
• 23:46
  Speaker 4: the ritual?
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: I just.
• 23:56
  Speaker 3: Like, did it ever bother you that? It was like
• 23:58
  Speaker 3: you had to head to the throne. Then it was like,
• 24:01
  Speaker 3: it's like that narrative got past to Kanye then Cole.
• 24:04
  Speaker 3: It's like they skipped over bleak and went's great to
• 24:06
  Speaker 3: the next chap.
• 24:07
  Speaker 4: I love it though, man, when it came down to
• 24:09
  Speaker 4: Kanye west Man, even though Kanye Documentary, I told him, Yo,
• 24:14
  Speaker 4: dog you nice, you gonna be one of those guys.
• 24:16
  Speaker 4: But as you can see, man, this fame it's like
• 24:19
  Speaker 4: the illess drug.
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: Man, it really is. Man.
• 24:22
  Speaker 4: Some people get this high and they can never come down.
• 24:25
  Speaker 4: They're gonna chase it for the rest of their lives,
• 24:27
  Speaker 4: and it's sad to see man, But Kanye is a
• 24:30
  Speaker 4: musical genius. The person he is today, I don't get
• 24:34
  Speaker 4: into that. I leave that that's him. He's gonna have
• 24:36
  Speaker 4: to find some healing with that, you know what I mean?
• 24:38
  Speaker 5: Are you somewhat sometimes when you look at Kanye what
• 24:40
  Speaker 5: he's going through, happy that your career is where it's at,
• 24:43
  Speaker 5: where you have a little bit more solitude in peace
• 24:45
  Speaker 5: versus him.
• 24:45
  Speaker 4: I'm never happy to see one of my friends going
• 24:48
  Speaker 4: through anything, you know, So it never makes me happy
• 24:50
  Speaker 4: or compare myself to them. It's just I don't want
• 24:53
  Speaker 4: to see it, you know, I turn it off.
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: I try.
• 24:55
  Speaker 4: I hear about it more than I see it because
• 24:57
  Speaker 4: I can't watch my friends spiral a lot of control,
• 25:00
  Speaker 4: you know what I mean, Like it's.
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: Just whacked me.
• 25:03
  Speaker 3: Another thing that was going around Dame started and he said,
• 25:06
  Speaker 3: you don't write your own rhymes to write for you,
• 25:08
  Speaker 3: and then her Beanie say that too.
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: On it.
• 25:11
  Speaker 4: I want to know why I never went triple platinum?
• 25:13
  Speaker 4: Then why ain't follow up them?
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: J Cells?
• 25:16
  Speaker 4: If Jay wrote these records, why the publisher checks come
• 25:20
  Speaker 4: to me? I shall have ask caps send these people
• 25:22
  Speaker 4: my record breakdown. They could see that four hundred and
• 25:25
  Speaker 4: seventy five records in all the splits and now understand
• 25:28
  Speaker 4: Like on title it actually shows credits if somebody, if
• 25:33
  Speaker 4: I wrote something for somebody, even if you my man,
• 25:36
  Speaker 4: now dog, I need my PC. Jay wrote coming to
• 25:40
  Speaker 4: Age one, Coming Age two. I had no input at
• 25:42
  Speaker 4: all on those records. When I showed up, it was
• 25:44
  Speaker 4: a piece of paper. Remember this, do your thing. It's like, okay, cool,
• 25:49
  Speaker 4: you go through dumb records. You're not gonna see my name.
• 25:52
  Speaker 4: You go do any other record that I'm Malik.
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: Cox is on.
• 25:56
  Speaker 4: The real MC is involved, So I don't know where
• 25:59
  Speaker 4: that that that really came from. Beans is the main
• 26:02
  Speaker 4: one that got me, like, Fam, you doing.
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: That much drugs? You don't remember being in the studio
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: with me? Are you set? You bugging?
• 26:11
  Speaker 4: Like Dane was never in the studio with us, so
• 26:14
  Speaker 4: he wouldn't have a clue. Beans, come on using the
• 26:18
  Speaker 4: studio with us every single day. We spent about twenty
• 26:21
  Speaker 4: years in baseline and Jay wrote my rhymes.
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: But you never saw it that's coming. I saw a
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: ghost once too then.
• 26:32
  Speaker 3: But when you said you were coming to age one
• 26:33
  Speaker 3: and two. Yeah, okay, so did you ever want him
• 26:35
  Speaker 3: to write for you?
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: Right now?
• 26:37
  Speaker 4: Give me a verse right now, put me back on, baby,
• 26:41
  Speaker 4: let's get lick kidding me. Man like you, when you
• 26:45
  Speaker 4: want somebody to do something for your axe, for that
• 26:47
  Speaker 4: you're giving the way. It's the same thing as giving
• 26:49
  Speaker 4: away your money, like you're publishing. That's the only way
• 26:51
  Speaker 4: we really made money. A lot of US rappers never
• 26:54
  Speaker 4: recouped the budgets we spent on these albums. So your
• 26:58
  Speaker 4: publishing is the only way you make money. And Joe
• 27:01
  Speaker 4: taught me about publishing. So if Jay wrote my rhymes
• 27:04
  Speaker 4: like I said, I wouldn't be receiving no publishing checks.
• 27:07
  Speaker 4: It don't make no sense the rhymes he write I
• 27:09
  Speaker 4: get paid for.
• 27:10
  Speaker 5: How well when things like this happen, right because Charlam said,
• 27:14
  Speaker 5: people I do real quick.
• 27:16
  Speaker 3: But I know, are you going to have beans on
• 27:19
  Speaker 3: as a guest?
• 27:22
  Speaker 4: Oh yeah, I need to have beans up there cause
• 27:23
  Speaker 4: we gotta get a we gotta get this settle and
• 27:25
  Speaker 4: then talk about, you know, the life we live.
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: It's like you haven't even spoken since he said that.
• 27:30
  Speaker 5: No, that's exactly where I was going at all.
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that was my question.
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: Because you love you too. Good luck on the you
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: know what I mean? They can happen on the audition.
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: You know, And I guess that's the thing I love.
• 27:42
  Speaker 3: Man, Like we always hear about these studio moments, but like,
• 27:44
  Speaker 3: what's a non music moment with with anybody from Rockefeller
• 27:48
  Speaker 3: that really just sticks with you through the year?
• 27:51
  Speaker 4: Man?
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: You know what one thing that always bugged me out?
• 27:54
  Speaker 4: Buster the rhymes. I love Buster splips start on my bros.
• 27:58
  Speaker 4: I love them.
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: But I remember one time, I think it was.
• 28:01
  Speaker 4: Jay called Bust to the studio to do a song
• 28:04
  Speaker 4: with him, and Buster showed up to baseline with a
• 28:06
  Speaker 4: bulletproof vests on.
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: It blew my mind like, yeah, like Buster got beat.
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: I guess me want to try to kill Bust the rhymes?
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: We gotta go get them, man, y'all buck it. This
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: is a New York staple.
• 28:18
  Speaker 4: And that really had me like, I kinda find out
• 28:21
  Speaker 4: what Bust into? What the hell you walking around with
• 28:23
  Speaker 4: a vest for? You know, just one of those moments
• 28:26
  Speaker 4: I'll never forget. And now I ain't gonna put nobody
• 28:29
  Speaker 4: under bust. You know a lot of people married, so
• 28:31
  Speaker 4: I ain't gonna say, oh I saw this guy with
• 28:32
  Speaker 4: this girl.
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: I could.
• 28:35
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 28:35
  Speaker 3: Now I want to know. We want to know, do
• 28:39
  Speaker 3: you did you did you ever feel like behind the scenes,
• 28:44
  Speaker 3: well not say this, At any one point, did you
• 28:47
  Speaker 3: feel like.
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: Jay was drifting too far from the crew?
• 28:50
  Speaker 3: And if so, how do you even address that when
• 28:52
  Speaker 3: he's not just you know, you're big homie, but also
• 28:55
  Speaker 3: like the boss.
• 28:56
  Speaker 4: I knew he had to for Jay to be where
• 28:58
  Speaker 4: he at, he couldn't be around us every day. We
• 29:01
  Speaker 4: couldn't be I'm a liability, like you know me now
• 29:05
  Speaker 4: being married, being a businessman, of course things has changed,
• 29:09
  Speaker 4: but the reckless bleak you couldn't be around us, anything
• 29:13
  Speaker 4: that happen, and then it spills right back to you.
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: So once Jay started.
• 29:16
  Speaker 4: Doing these billionaire deals, basketball teams, moving teams from here
• 29:20
  Speaker 4: to Brooklyn, you automatically knew the distance was warranted. It's
• 29:24
  Speaker 4: not that he don't rock with you or don't rock
• 29:26
  Speaker 4: with us. Hey, dog, I'm over here getting to these millions.
• 29:29
  Speaker 4: Y'all still in the club popping bottles.
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: I don't need that.
• 29:32
  Speaker 5: Look, how did you understand something like that? Though? But
• 29:34
  Speaker 5: like a beanie, didn't I don't know? And you're trying
• 29:37
  Speaker 5: to tell these guys.
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: That's the thing.
• 29:39
  Speaker 4: If you really sit down, see a lot of people
• 29:41
  Speaker 4: when they do on these cameras cut on. They got
• 29:43
  Speaker 4: an image. They gotta you know, they gotta keep it up.
• 29:45
  Speaker 4: I'm this guy. I can't let nobody. But if they
• 29:47
  Speaker 4: really really sit down and have a real, real conversation
• 29:52
  Speaker 4: with the reality pills on the table, not the other drugs,
• 29:55
  Speaker 4: the reality pills, they'll tell you. I told these guys
• 29:58
  Speaker 4: this was coming because I used to get the word
• 30:00
  Speaker 4: from Big Homer. Yo, niggas don't ship up, they don't
• 30:03
  Speaker 4: act right. We gonna do this we go. I used
• 30:05
  Speaker 4: to be telling these guys, yo, it's only a matter
• 30:07
  Speaker 4: of time for it's over. We gotta get this right.
• 30:09
  Speaker 4: And they used to look at me like and whatever,
• 30:11
  Speaker 4: Like I remember time right. Beans had his clothing line
• 30:17
  Speaker 4: state property. We used to get clothes boxes of state property.
• 30:21
  Speaker 4: So I look at the state property and say, manufactured
• 30:24
  Speaker 4: by Rockaway. So I'm telling him as a brother, yo,
• 30:27
  Speaker 4: bro check your contracts and all that. Make sure everything right,
• 30:31
  Speaker 4: like because I see it's manufactured by Rockaway. I don't
• 30:34
  Speaker 4: think Rockaway was making their own clothes. So how they're
• 30:36
  Speaker 4: making your clothes like this as a business man. This
• 30:39
  Speaker 4: was like then seen right, And this was at the
• 30:41
  Speaker 4: time when he was saying, Yo, I'm going to jail.
• 30:43
  Speaker 4: I'm gonna sign Freeway and the Young Guns the Rockefeller.
• 30:45
  Speaker 4: When I come home, they gonna give them back the
• 30:48
  Speaker 4: state property. And I'm just sitting there like, oh, you
• 30:50
  Speaker 4: think business work like this. So I'm trying to tell
• 30:53
  Speaker 4: him these things. Like he looked at me. This is
• 30:56
  Speaker 4: when I knew me and beans wasn't It wasn't the
• 30:58
  Speaker 4: relation you wasn't saying because he was like, Yo, it
• 31:01
  Speaker 4: sounds like.
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: You hating on me, fam, And I'm like what you mean?
• 31:04
  Speaker 4: He like, Yo, if j your man, like you say,
• 31:08
  Speaker 4: why you ain't got no record label, why you ain't
• 31:11
  Speaker 4: got no clothing line? Dang, my man, you're taking care
• 31:14
  Speaker 4: of me all this, And I'm like, I feel you,
• 31:17
  Speaker 4: but you know why I don't have those things because
• 31:19
  Speaker 4: my bro would never exploit my ideas for him to
• 31:23
  Speaker 4: make a bag. That's what you need to realize. They're
• 31:26
  Speaker 4: taking your ideas. And then when he came from jail
• 31:29
  Speaker 4: way he said, da ain't wantly two million should have
• 31:34
  Speaker 4: listened to Blizzard, But like I said, Jay, not my man, though, So.
• 31:41
  Speaker 5: What was getting to the bottom of the manufacturing. What
• 31:44
  Speaker 5: ended up being behind that?
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: What was that was his business? I never got into it.
• 31:47
  Speaker 4: It just was a red flag to me, Like if
• 31:49
  Speaker 4: I'm gonna do a deal with you and you're gonna
• 31:52
  Speaker 4: make my clothes, I need to know who the manufacturer is.
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: It's just like I did a deal.
• 31:56
  Speaker 4: With Drink Champs, right, I know Drink Champs, y'all, y'all
• 31:59
  Speaker 4: had a deal with somebody, y'all start on y'all network.
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: I need to know.
• 32:02
  Speaker 4: Who the plug is Black Effects, Like, I can't just
• 32:06
  Speaker 4: be we need to know what's going on here. You
• 32:08
  Speaker 4: know what I'm saying, Like, I can't just rely on
• 32:11
  Speaker 4: you when you relying on somebody else. I need to
• 32:13
  Speaker 4: know all the moving parts. And that's as any businessman should.
• 32:17
  Speaker 4: You want to know the moving parts. You don't just
• 32:19
  Speaker 4: want to receive the checks because one day they're gonna stop.
• 32:21
  Speaker 4: Then you don't know how to pick them back up.
• 32:23
  Speaker 4: Its insane, that's real, you know.
• 32:25
  Speaker 3: I named I named it Black Effect because the jay
• 32:27
  Speaker 3: Z song Black Effect Wow. I reached out to him
• 32:31
  Speaker 3: to get the blessing Wow to call it Black Effects,
• 32:35
  Speaker 3: and the logo uh was Emery's guy that designed I said,
• 32:39
  Speaker 3: y'all want something like the paper planes logo and.
• 32:42
  Speaker 4: Do yo, God bless because when I found out, man,
• 32:45
  Speaker 4: I've been hearing it forever.
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: And when they said yo Charlamagne old black Offeid, I'm like, Yo,
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: he is destroying the game. That's right, bro.
• 32:54
  Speaker 4: That's all you can do, man, is pray and keep killing.
• 32:57
  Speaker 4: That's it, man, They only get one shot at this thing.
• 33:00
  Speaker 4: A lot of these guys think it's all about the glitz. Man,
• 33:02
  Speaker 4: you could keep the glamor in the glitz. Give me
• 33:04
  Speaker 4: the check. I gotta tell people credit, don't spend money due.
• 33:08
  Speaker 4: I don't want the credit.
• 33:10
  Speaker 3: How do y'all do you define success now? And is
• 33:12
  Speaker 3: it different from fifteen year old how he would have
• 33:16
  Speaker 3: defined it?
• 33:17
  Speaker 4: Your fifteen year old me was the Porsche on the
• 33:19
  Speaker 4: wall stadmant house. You know what I'm saying, rich girl like,
• 33:23
  Speaker 4: oh butrah, just letting me be Stadman out here. That
• 33:28
  Speaker 4: was me as a kid, you know. But me now,
• 33:31
  Speaker 4: success to me is what I have, love in the household,
• 33:35
  Speaker 4: healthy family, your health, so you could be you know,
• 33:39
  Speaker 4: you'd be thankful for the things you have and the
• 33:41
  Speaker 4: things you don't is like don't matter.
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: No more. Like my goals now are to leave a
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: legacy for my children.
• 33:48
  Speaker 4: Like before it was y'all gotta go to the tunnel
• 33:50
  Speaker 4: into Bentley, Now it's nah. I gotta make sure my
• 33:54
  Speaker 4: daughter don't ever ever turn her head with a horn
• 33:57
  Speaker 4: hark when somebody honked the horn.
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: No better be watching traffic. That's it.
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: What was it?
• 34:08
  Speaker 5: What was it that that moment for you were that
• 34:11
  Speaker 5: bleak entered the world.
• 34:14
  Speaker 4: I think it was right before I got married, man,
• 34:16
  Speaker 4: because it was at a time when you know, like
• 34:18
  Speaker 4: he said, I was the I don't know how it happened,
• 34:22
  Speaker 4: but I became like the run of Rockefeller, like out
• 34:25
  Speaker 4: of nowhere, I'm the wackest rap or Rockefeller like oh work.
• 34:29
  Speaker 4: So the so the three go albums in one platinum
• 34:32
  Speaker 4: didn't matter, Like okay, I take it, I'm the whackest one.
• 34:35
  Speaker 4: So it was like at a time when you feel
• 34:37
  Speaker 4: like you you just all alone, man, and it's like
• 34:40
  Speaker 4: you have nothing. All you have is family, Like money
• 34:43
  Speaker 4: don't buy happiness. Money buy you things that make people
• 34:46
  Speaker 4: envyous more of you. So if you think about it,
• 34:49
  Speaker 4: money is the root of all evil. But I feel
• 34:52
  Speaker 4: like love is all you need, man, if you got
• 34:55
  Speaker 4: the right people around you, with no no intent, no
• 34:59
  Speaker 4: negative tensions, everybody just pulling the same strings and want
• 35:02
  Speaker 4: to see everybody do good.
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: That's the success right there.
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: I know.
• 35:07
  Speaker 3: I don't think there was ever a conversation that Bleak
• 35:09
  Speaker 3: is whack. It was just that Jay set the bar
• 35:11
  Speaker 3: too hot.
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah, when he.
• 35:13
  Speaker 3: Said just the new improved jay Z. Everybody waiting for that.
• 35:17
  Speaker 3: So you don't appreciate Bleak for what Bleak is.
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: But I'm better than whole. He know that he don't
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: want battle.
• 35:25
  Speaker 4: I tried to battle sauce one time. I thought I
• 35:27
  Speaker 4: was better at this sauce like sauce money.
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: Don't want no smoke. This is my hood.
• 35:31
  Speaker 4: I'm the new young sheriffs in town. I seen them
• 35:34
  Speaker 4: come with us in the project, seeing them coming through
• 35:36
  Speaker 4: your sauce.
• 35:36
  Speaker 3: What up?
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: It's battle.
• 35:38
  Speaker 4: That's when he spit that line to me, man, because
• 35:40
  Speaker 4: it's chin niggas think they Chinese the way they duck sauce.
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: That's it. I'm done.
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: You got it.
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: I don't want no more smoke.
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: Damn.
• 35:48
  Speaker 5: What about I know you were signing an artist at
• 35:50
  Speaker 5: one point two?
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I'm done.
• 35:52
  Speaker 4: I'm done artist last Yeah, cash shutout cast free cash Man,
• 35:57
  Speaker 4: but I'm done.
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: No Lodes don't listen like you.
• 36:01
  Speaker 4: All I could do is tell him, and I feel
• 36:03
  Speaker 4: like me getting out the game and trying to be
• 36:07
  Speaker 4: behind the scenes and telor artists.
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: They more looked at it as man, I'm more lit
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: than you. What you're talking about you don't know nothing.
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: If you do all this, you would be.
• 36:16
  Speaker 4: Litt and it's like, fam, I'm not rapid because I
• 36:19
  Speaker 4: chose not to.
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: My last album went gold.
• 36:22
  Speaker 4: Don't forget they didn't exit me out the game off
• 36:24
  Speaker 4: a fifty thousand pack.
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: I left with a gold record, which is cool.
• 36:28
  Speaker 4: I take that, and they just I just felt like
• 36:31
  Speaker 4: the artists just thought, man, you don't really know what's up.
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: Man. Let me high at Jay and it's like you're
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: never gonna get that.
• 36:38
  Speaker 4: He's never so you know, and they wanted too much
• 36:41
  Speaker 4: too fast, like they don't understand it takes time.
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: You have to work, work, and work more.
• 36:48
  Speaker 5: I watched interview with casting over where he talked about
• 36:50
  Speaker 5: you actually took him to the office and I sit down.
• 36:52
  Speaker 5: I think it was to tell you to kind of relaxed,
• 36:55
  Speaker 5: and it still didn't work. It was here, Oh that
• 36:57
  Speaker 5: was here.
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: Okay, Yeah, that's when you know.
• 37:00
  Speaker 4: It came a time when Cass was, you know, discructive
• 37:03
  Speaker 4: employee and he wanted direct access to the nation and me,
• 37:09
  Speaker 4: I'm not a gatekeeper. I'm never gonna hold nobody from
• 37:11
  Speaker 4: their goals, their dreams or whatever. If you believe the
• 37:14
  Speaker 4: grass is green over there, I'm gonna put you over there.
• 37:17
  Speaker 4: But then when we get to that Rock Nation brunch
• 37:20
  Speaker 4: and you ain't got them tickets, you know why.
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: You over there, now, fan, they only got one in
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: the pack. If you was over here, got that faux pack.
• 37:29
  Speaker 5: They don't. Never get on your nerves though that People
• 37:31
  Speaker 5: kind of underestimate your contributions to like music, and you're
• 37:35
  Speaker 5: so humble with it, but it is.
• 37:37
  Speaker 4: What can I do. I can't argue against the masses
• 37:39
  Speaker 4: on one small voice. So it's like, how mad can
• 37:42
  Speaker 4: I real? I could be mad internally, but no one cares.
• 37:45
  Speaker 4: They don't care. Man Like, people love turmoil. They want
• 37:48
  Speaker 4: to see you do bad, or see you angry, or
• 37:50
  Speaker 4: see you upset, and it's like to see a smile
• 37:52
  Speaker 4: on your face. It hurts the hater's heart.
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: It hurt them bad. They don't want to see you smile.
• 37:58
  Speaker 2: You said something earlier. Let me know you really a
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: friend though, because even if you and your home he
• 38:02
  Speaker 2: ain't talking, you know that's your man.
• 38:05
  Speaker 3: Yes, you ain't got to talk to him for a
• 38:07
  Speaker 3: couple of months or whatever, even a year, but you
• 38:09
  Speaker 3: know that's your man.
• 38:10
  Speaker 2: You're seeing what they're doing. That's my guy.
• 38:12
  Speaker 3: I know we see each other. It's gonna pick up
• 38:14
  Speaker 3: right well left far.
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: That's a fact.
• 38:15
  Speaker 4: That's why I tell people, Man, if you and somebody
• 38:17
  Speaker 4: got a real genuine relationship, not based off some type
• 38:21
  Speaker 4: of business, intriguing or whatever y'all doing's just genuine friendship.
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: It can never die.
• 38:26
  Speaker 4: Unless somebody break the bond. Like I even say it
• 38:29
  Speaker 4: in one of my songs. Man, I say I'm a
• 38:31
  Speaker 4: friend for life. Once you link with me, I'm a
• 38:33
  Speaker 4: friend for life. Once you link with me, we tight
• 38:36
  Speaker 4: until you break the bond. Then it's long kiss good night.
• 38:39
  Speaker 4: And that's true. I'm one hundred percent that I don't care.
• 38:42
  Speaker 4: I got friends like my dog, Rob, Kelly and Dublin.
• 38:46
  Speaker 4: I don't speak to him every day, but when I
• 38:48
  Speaker 4: pop out in Ireland, he right there at the.
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: Airport to get me. All my friends.
• 38:52
  Speaker 4: Any country I touch down whether I'm in London with
• 38:54
  Speaker 4: my god Clue Grease Sniper, my guys is there and
• 38:58
  Speaker 4: he's been my friends for the last twenty years, you
• 39:00
  Speaker 4: know what I mean.
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: I'm often am I in London.
• 39:02
  Speaker 5: But I was gonna ask what's your relationship with Dean
• 39:05
  Speaker 5: Dash It's cool.
• 39:07
  Speaker 4: I spoke to Dame, like we agreed upon, you know,
• 39:10
  Speaker 4: to keep things respectful, because I felt like things was
• 39:12
  Speaker 4: going a little bit too far, especially you know what
• 39:15
  Speaker 4: I mean, when when the legal accuisations was going around
• 39:19
  Speaker 4: and people leaning on that, like you really don't know
• 39:21
  Speaker 4: people integrity.
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: That's what rubbed me wrong.
• 39:23
  Speaker 4: It's like you was dead with us fam, You're gonna
• 39:26
  Speaker 4: act like you don't know the integrity we went outside
• 39:29
  Speaker 4: with man like people was playing that game. We don't
• 39:31
  Speaker 4: play that kid game. And that rubbed me wrong. So
• 39:34
  Speaker 4: I had to reach out to Damon. It was a
• 39:36
  Speaker 4: respectful conversation.
• 39:38
  Speaker 3: The wildest thing about that is when when all of
• 39:41
  Speaker 3: that shit went away and everybody you just knew it
• 39:44
  Speaker 3: was bullshit from the beginning, When everybody realized it.
• 39:46
  Speaker 2: Was bullshit, it was crickets cricket. Nobody said nothing.
• 39:50
  Speaker 4: No, they wanted It's like people want Jay to be
• 39:53
  Speaker 4: guilty of some some bull and it's like your fam
• 39:57
  Speaker 4: we were who we were for we got here, like
• 40:00
  Speaker 4: we didn't become who we are in this industry. So
• 40:02
  Speaker 4: the things you see that a lot of these people
• 40:04
  Speaker 4: took advantage of their stardom, their fan.
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: That's not us. We been lit.
• 40:10
  Speaker 4: Like, I don't know why people think the rap game
• 40:13
  Speaker 4: made jay Z who he is.
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: He came in this game up. Trust me.
• 40:18
  Speaker 2: How did the passing the clock Kemp impacting?
• 40:22
  Speaker 4: I was real devastating, man, Like clock played a major
• 40:25
  Speaker 4: major role in my you know, my upbringing, my first album,
• 40:29
  Speaker 4: like even putting together the record we recorded coming to
• 40:32
  Speaker 4: age and his basement, wow as his house, Like he
• 40:35
  Speaker 4: made the b on the spot and we recorded it
• 40:37
  Speaker 4: on the spot. So just knowing the contribution he put
• 40:41
  Speaker 4: into music way then into my life, the game, the goals.
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: He always told me.
• 40:47
  Speaker 4: I just cherish him, man, And it's just so sad
• 40:49
  Speaker 4: to see him go that young over something that was
• 40:52
  Speaker 4: preventable like us as young black men. Man, please go
• 40:57
  Speaker 4: get tested with all hell, physical cool colon, all that.
• 41:01
  Speaker 5: Man.
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: Do it. People say forty five, do it at thirty five.
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: If you can. It's never too early, but it can
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: be too late.
• 41:07
  Speaker 2: I wouldn't got mine at forty four.
• 41:09
  Speaker 4: I ain't got mine forty and then did it again
• 41:12
  Speaker 4: like a year ago, and they told me I don't
• 41:14
  Speaker 4: got to come back for another seven.
• 41:16
  Speaker 3: I'm like, oh, because you got a history of it
• 41:18
  Speaker 3: in your family. Yes, they tell you to go to
• 41:20
  Speaker 3: go early. Yeah, we both got birthdays coming up.
• 41:23
  Speaker 2: That's right you six twenty three right.
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah, twenty nine Yeah, man catcer gang in the building.
• 41:29
  Speaker 5: Two way different personalities. You're so sweet and humble. He
• 41:32
  Speaker 5: is too cool alright.
• 41:34
  Speaker 4: He just got that right, Yo, you know how to
• 41:37
  Speaker 4: throw that whip quick hit you with that.
• 41:41
  Speaker 5: You My friends are always my friends and he is.
• 41:44
  Speaker 3: Hell, you ain't heard the bleak running down on people's story.
• 41:47
  Speaker 3: What I'm saying I watched, I've heard.
• 41:50
  Speaker 4: But that's when my friends say. They always be like, Yo,
• 41:54
  Speaker 4: you meet and bleak right now? You still ain't met
• 41:56
  Speaker 4: Malik Malik the business man. That's when it's serious.
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: Had gloves off, no plane, talk.
• 42:02
  Speaker 5: About your relationship with Nori, Because like for me sitting
• 42:06
  Speaker 5: and watching you on Drink Champs, when I saw the podcast,
• 42:08
  Speaker 5: I was like, this makes so much sense because when
• 42:10
  Speaker 5: he's interviewing. It's just so good, you're so into it.
• 42:12
  Speaker 4: Norri gassed me up to do this. Just FYI, I
• 42:15
  Speaker 4: did not want to do the podcast.
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: Gassed me.
• 42:17
  Speaker 4: I ain't gonna say he bagged me, because you don't
• 42:19
  Speaker 4: bag nobody but me and Norri relationship started. It started
• 42:24
  Speaker 4: before I even knew him. Man, when I bought the
• 42:28
  Speaker 4: whatever it Say first album Compona Norriget the Wall Report album,
• 42:32
  Speaker 4: I knew right there, when I get my album, when
• 42:35
  Speaker 4: I get my deal and my chance to make my album,
• 42:38
  Speaker 4: I need this guy on my album because he talked
• 42:40
  Speaker 4: that life that I taught. So when I met him
• 42:43
  Speaker 4: and we did the record, what you niggas want to
• 42:45
  Speaker 4: hay for? Yeah, like, and I'm like, wait up, he
• 42:48
  Speaker 4: really liked me, and he from left Rack that's right
• 42:51
  Speaker 4: there over the bridge, I being left Rack playing board
• 42:53
  Speaker 4: the Kenny Anderson tournaments, like that's my guy. Then from
• 42:57
  Speaker 4: there the relationship just brew And when we did the
• 43:00
  Speaker 4: Drink Champs interview, he called me again like bleek, I'm
• 43:03
  Speaker 4: telling you, people rock with you, they fuck with you,
• 43:06
  Speaker 4: and like you need to do something. And I'm like, yo, bro,
• 43:09
  Speaker 4: I'm not a journalist. I don't I don't care less
• 43:11
  Speaker 4: what a person mind state was working on their project.
• 43:15
  Speaker 4: I don't care. I don't want to find that out.
• 43:18
  Speaker 4: And he like, Yo, you don't have to interview people.
• 43:21
  Speaker 4: People want to know about what you think and your history,
• 43:24
  Speaker 4: Rockefeller stories. He like, you literally could just talk Rockefeller
• 43:27
  Speaker 4: in it. I'm like, all right, let's see. So after
• 43:30
  Speaker 4: I did the first couple of interviews, like you know,
• 43:32
  Speaker 4: I got Guru just blaze freeway, young.
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: Chris, I got a couple heavy at this Leneys.
• 43:40
  Speaker 4: And after I got a few and started realizing where
• 43:43
  Speaker 4: it was going, I'm like, this is needed.
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: People did need to hear.
• 43:46
  Speaker 4: They need to hear this, man, cause I think a
• 43:49
  Speaker 4: lot of these young guys they think it's one way.
• 43:52
  Speaker 4: If you not a killer, you can't be a rapper.
• 43:55
  Speaker 4: Like they really got to kill on YouTube and drop
• 43:58
  Speaker 4: the video the next that next minute. Then they go
• 44:00
  Speaker 4: platinum and it's like your fam, where's the cool people,
• 44:03
  Speaker 4: where's the regular guys? That's what we represented. Nobody had
• 44:07
  Speaker 4: Rockefeller was the ultimate killer. We just was hustlings who
• 44:11
  Speaker 4: got money right, And I feel like that has died,
• 44:14
  Speaker 4: That image died in music. So to bring that back
• 44:17
  Speaker 4: through the podcast, I think people listen more than watch.
• 44:20
  Speaker 2: So that's why I think y'all need a platform. Man,
• 44:23
  Speaker 2: I say it all the time. The rock Nation, that core.
• 44:27
  Speaker 3: Of people, the most normal people I've ever met in
• 44:30
  Speaker 3: this business in my life.
• 44:32
  Speaker 2: We know the weirdos and that they're the most normal people.
• 44:36
  Speaker 4: No, that's a fact, man, Like it's no, it's no.
• 44:38
  Speaker 4: If you as a weird on Rockefeller, we got you
• 44:40
  Speaker 4: out of there early. We we the strainer was out early.
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: And we shook the loose anside of there.
• 44:47
  Speaker 4: So when it comes down to the Emery's man like,
• 44:50
  Speaker 4: Emery is the OG. I tell him, he's the definition
• 44:53
  Speaker 4: of a OG to me, like when people talking about
• 44:55
  Speaker 4: original gangster, not just an old guy, original gangster. His
• 45:00
  Speaker 4: picture need to be there because that's what he is.
• 45:03
  Speaker 4: He's the epitome of that. Just if you know his story,
• 45:06
  Speaker 4: his history, he laid down on the sword for the team,
• 45:10
  Speaker 4: and then you come home to reap the benefits of it. Like,
• 45:13
  Speaker 4: I don't think no man walking right now will ever
• 45:16
  Speaker 4: try to.
• 45:16
  Speaker 1: Even repeat that. I don't think we'll ever see it
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: done again.
• 45:19
  Speaker 2: Nah.
• 45:20
  Speaker 3: And then his vision, like I remember being in the office,
• 45:22
  Speaker 3: would be high when Emery had just came home and
• 45:25
  Speaker 3: he was. He literally had folded up a piece of
• 45:29
  Speaker 3: stationary and was throwing it around the paper plane. He
• 45:31
  Speaker 3: was like, that's gonna be the next shit Like.
• 45:34
  Speaker 2: I remember that.
• 45:35
  Speaker 3: So it's just like when you see somebody have a
• 45:37
  Speaker 3: vision like that and see what has become now, it's like,
• 45:39
  Speaker 3: come on man.
• 45:39
  Speaker 4: Yeah, Emery always been and been the super Flyers, dude,
• 45:43
  Speaker 4: I know coming from you know what I mean, Baltimore DMV.
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: I respect Emory.
• 45:48
  Speaker 4: I would love to have him on a podcast like
• 45:51
  Speaker 4: a person like Tata, but I know Tata never come.
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: I got a kidnapped to gain about the pie.
• 46:00
  Speaker 5: But don't you feel like they gotta tell it like
• 46:03
  Speaker 5: it's a given it has to happen with you.
• 46:05
  Speaker 4: I would hope they will want to tell it with me.
• 46:08
  Speaker 4: But knowing Ti No, they can't talk to me. They
• 46:11
  Speaker 4: not gonna do Ta Kid, not him, Jay, Emrie might
• 46:16
  Speaker 4: because I feel like Emrie and Wan they they give
• 46:19
  Speaker 4: me that. I bleiker o g he one of us
• 46:22
  Speaker 4: Ta Ti Jay is like, nope, you're still a little
• 46:25
  Speaker 4: dirty kid from BOSSI.
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: I can't get out of here.
• 46:29
  Speaker 5: But I think even seeing that would be good for
• 46:31
  Speaker 5: people too, because we don't get to like I'm literal.
• 46:33
  Speaker 5: I'm sitting here listening to y'all talk right now, and
• 46:35
  Speaker 5: I'm like, man, I can't imagine it was like being
• 46:37
  Speaker 5: around during all. These people are so great to us,
• 46:39
  Speaker 5: but they're normal people to y'all. People might need to
• 46:42
  Speaker 5: see the personality a bit.
• 46:43
  Speaker 4: They definitely do. Man like Tata is funny. Man like
• 46:46
  Speaker 4: he run from the camera. So that's how I know
• 46:48
  Speaker 4: if I did an interview with Tai, have to be
• 46:50
  Speaker 4: over the phone like he locked up. Wen't have to
• 46:52
  Speaker 4: act like he phoning in. But he not gonna get
• 46:55
  Speaker 4: over it. I know him, Man, it's been years. He's
• 46:58
  Speaker 4: not gonna do it.
• 46:58
  Speaker 3: But that's what makes y'all so solid though, because nobody
• 47:01
  Speaker 3: wanted to be anybody like.
• 47:03
  Speaker 2: Old was that guy?
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: You know?
• 47:04
  Speaker 3: You know how hard that is for a bunch of men,
• 47:06
  Speaker 3: especially to get behind one guy and say that's the guy.
• 47:10
  Speaker 2: He's gonna help change all our lives.
• 47:12
  Speaker 4: Because you knew it, man, Like you knew it, Yo,
• 47:15
  Speaker 4: you knew it. See from back then, you knew you
• 47:18
  Speaker 4: could see the ray of light in the clouds with Jaywalk.
• 47:22
  Speaker 4: Like I tell people I was there from the beginning.
• 47:24
  Speaker 4: I could tell you the cars they drove, the clothes
• 47:27
  Speaker 4: they wore, the malls they shop, and the kind of women,
• 47:30
  Speaker 4: the liquor they drunk, the food they ate, and your
• 47:33
  Speaker 4: results won't be the same. I could put you on
• 47:36
  Speaker 4: the same path, tell you everything they did. I remember
• 47:39
  Speaker 4: us sitting in the house making gift baskets to send
• 47:42
  Speaker 4: the power and hot just to get the DJs.
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: To play his record.
• 47:46
  Speaker 2: I wasn't even around back then.
• 47:47
  Speaker 4: No, it was really hot, but sending gift backet gift
• 47:51
  Speaker 4: baskets with chrystyle and all these different trinklets in there,
• 47:55
  Speaker 4: just to get DJ's to play j record.
• 47:58
  Speaker 1: Like I remember us ground.
• 48:00
  Speaker 4: And then when it clicked, it was like it's over
• 48:03
  Speaker 4: and he said, I'm never gonna stop.
• 48:04
  Speaker 2: Andreie was the first person to play it.
• 48:06
  Speaker 4: I think, yep, Angie was the first person to show love.
• 48:08
  Speaker 4: That's why Andre's down with the team to this day.
• 48:11
  Speaker 4: She's Angie. I feel like back then it was Miss Jones.
• 48:16
  Speaker 4: Wendy was really popping, like flex always been there enough
• 48:23
  Speaker 4: man the radio stage, that's when it was. It was
• 48:26
  Speaker 4: impactful then man like now today, Like I heard the
• 48:29
  Speaker 4: homie right before me talking about artists they lost love
• 48:33
  Speaker 4: for the radio. They just believe in streaming me. I
• 48:36
  Speaker 4: love radio. I feel like this is the way to
• 48:39
  Speaker 4: reach the masses. Like yes, on the Internet, you have
• 48:43
  Speaker 4: to really sit there, click it, watch it, watch your
• 48:46
  Speaker 4: watch this.
• 48:47
  Speaker 1: It's like, nah, I'd rather just get it one time
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: and I'm done.
• 48:50
  Speaker 3: That's why I love watching Lauren and Jess because you
• 48:52
  Speaker 3: know they thirty three, right, thirty three years old.
• 48:55
  Speaker 2: They came up in the inter and oft era with
• 48:57
  Speaker 2: now on the radio every day and they.
• 48:58
  Speaker 5: See it's so crazy. I'm like, I never want to
• 49:02
  Speaker 5: hear somebody say the radio don't matter like this. I've
• 49:04
  Speaker 5: been on television in different markets, big markets. This changed
• 49:08
  Speaker 5: my life, like honestly like radio. And I can't believe
• 49:11
  Speaker 5: it when I say it, but yes, and you people
• 49:14
  Speaker 5: get to know you personally. Yes, a lot differently than
• 49:16
  Speaker 5: it is when you just post something on Instagram or
• 49:18
  Speaker 5: whatever the case may be.
• 49:19
  Speaker 4: But because you can edit that. This is this is
• 49:22
  Speaker 4: straight like it is. Yes, it's no, it's no filter,
• 49:24
  Speaker 4: no editing, no nothing like. This is what it is.
• 49:28
  Speaker 1: And like it's as a fan, I listen to y'all
• 49:31
  Speaker 1: every morning. You know what I'm saying. It's nothing else
• 49:34
  Speaker 1: to listen to. I wake up. Even my daughter, She's like,
• 49:36
  Speaker 1: who don't get to day to day daddy. I don't know.
• 49:39
  Speaker 1: We gonna find out though.
• 49:42
  Speaker 5: I was gonna say when I was watching the first
• 49:44
  Speaker 5: episode with you and yoa Rule, y'all talk about the
• 49:46
  Speaker 5: Hard Knock Life Tour, it seemed like there was like
• 49:48
  Speaker 5: college for for him and for a lot of y'all,
• 49:51
  Speaker 5: like the learning lessons. What was the biggest lesson you
• 49:53
  Speaker 5: took away from the tour?
• 49:55
  Speaker 4: The biggest lesson I took being a good performer because
• 50:00
  Speaker 4: DMX used to go out there and destroy.
• 50:02
  Speaker 1: Then you have Redman and Methan Man. Remember they used to.
• 50:05
  Speaker 4: Do how High and flying through the scrip, through the crowd,
• 50:08
  Speaker 4: and everybody on that show held.
• 50:11
  Speaker 1: Their own And remember I was the new coming.
• 50:13
  Speaker 4: It was like, damn, when I get my shot, this
• 50:16
  Speaker 4: is how it's gonna be this high. So that right there,
• 50:19
  Speaker 4: and then I remember Jay, they didn't let me smoke
• 50:22
  Speaker 4: before the shows, like every day before the show, like
• 50:25
  Speaker 4: two hours be high. He would come take on my
• 50:28
  Speaker 4: weed and my dutches and everything like you can't smoke
• 50:31
  Speaker 4: to after the show just to be a professional, like
• 50:34
  Speaker 4: just to be ready and on time like and that
• 50:38
  Speaker 4: told me if you ain't fifteen minutes early, you're fifteen
• 50:40
  Speaker 4: minutes late.
• 50:43
  Speaker 3: Wow, What's what's one Rockefeller artist you think never reached
• 50:47
  Speaker 3: their full potential?
• 50:49
  Speaker 1: Signed or unsigned?
• 50:51
  Speaker 2: Both.
• 50:51
  Speaker 4: I gotta get my guy Host to ripper them flowers.
• 50:56
  Speaker 4: A lot of people probably don't even know Whopper is.
• 50:59
  Speaker 1: It's from New Jersey.
• 51:00
  Speaker 4: I'm telling you him and Beanie Segull are the only
• 51:03
  Speaker 4: two people I ever seen touch the stage and no
• 51:06
  Speaker 4: beat and spit a verse that no one ever heard
• 51:09
  Speaker 4: and have the crowd go crazy. Now, I mean HOSTI
• 51:12
  Speaker 4: Ripper was shutting venues down, opening up for j He
• 51:18
  Speaker 4: was fine, Yes, he was down with us, but he
• 51:21
  Speaker 4: just it never manufactured into an album or single or anything.
• 51:25
  Speaker 4: And now he changed his life. Like you know, he's
• 51:28
  Speaker 4: a big preacher. He got a church out in Jersey
• 51:30
  Speaker 4: and all that. And I was telling my homie, Yo,
• 51:32
  Speaker 4: I gotta bring him on the show Man because I
• 51:34
  Speaker 4: want to know his story and I want people to
• 51:37
  Speaker 4: appreciate and know what his contribution was to a Rockefeller
• 51:42
  Speaker 4: because without him, I probably wouldn't be the artist I am.
• 51:45
  Speaker 1: Because I remember being so jealous.
• 51:48
  Speaker 4: Jay brought him out on the tour with Biggie and
• 51:50
  Speaker 4: them and he shut it down spitting, and I'm like,
• 51:53
  Speaker 4: I don't like this guy that's supposed to be me
• 51:55
  Speaker 4: up there, And it's like, but then I knew I
• 51:58
  Speaker 4: wouldn't be able to do that.
• 52:00
  Speaker 1: Look what he's doing. You kidding me? No way.
• 52:03
  Speaker 5: He was the opening artist on The Reasonable Reasonable Dolta.
• 52:06
  Speaker 5: Why don't people talk about it?
• 52:07
  Speaker 2: Never heard him?
• 52:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah, host the ripper Man. I'm telling you it was ill.
• 52:10
  Speaker 1: You can look him. He got YouTube videos where he's
• 52:13
  Speaker 1: shutting concert.
• 52:14
  Speaker 4: He did the Tonnel with us one time, he did
• 52:17
  Speaker 4: a couple of venues with us, and he is his
• 52:19
  Speaker 4: pen gang.
• 52:20
  Speaker 1: To me back then was like, it's the nicest kid
• 52:23
  Speaker 1: I've ever seen.
• 52:24
  Speaker 2: And what about somebody we know alright?
• 52:26
  Speaker 1: Like, who didn't PD crack?
• 52:28
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, I can see that.
• 52:29
  Speaker 5: I'm from Delaware, so a lot of PD crack.
• 52:32
  Speaker 4: Yeah, p D crack. I feel like pet had a
• 52:35
  Speaker 4: lot of gems. He just was in his own way,
• 52:38
  Speaker 4: you know what I mean a lot of our artists
• 52:39
  Speaker 4: that happened to Like I feel like at Rockefeller, when
• 52:43
  Speaker 4: you came in, whether you had a record or not,
• 52:45
  Speaker 4: you got to chain. He was in baseline every day.
• 52:48
  Speaker 4: We all travel in the world. We're on tour, buses
• 52:50
  Speaker 4: were flying, so a lot of these guys felt successful
• 52:53
  Speaker 4: before actually being successful, so they forgot to.
• 52:56
  Speaker 1: Put the work in.
• 52:57
  Speaker 5: I felt like with PD Crack, like it was like
• 53:00
  Speaker 5: hot so fast, and then it just stopped.
• 53:03
  Speaker 4: Because that's what I'm saying. They was out there running
• 53:05
  Speaker 4: around with the thirty bodies. They forgot about the work,
• 53:08
  Speaker 4: the body of work, like you gotta go to the studio,
• 53:11
  Speaker 4: like I think Chris said something on one of these
• 53:13
  Speaker 4: interviews where he said they had an opportunity to go
• 53:15
  Speaker 4: to the studio after a show, but they wanted to
• 53:18
  Speaker 4: go party with right with Rihanna, so they didn't go
• 53:20
  Speaker 4: to the studio with.
• 53:23
  Speaker 1: That. I was young, Chris.
• 53:24
  Speaker 4: I don't know who he was talking to, but I
• 53:26
  Speaker 4: can see that happening because it's been times with Jay
• 53:29
  Speaker 4: like Yo, hey they do this and whatever and nobody
• 53:32
  Speaker 4: show up. We'd be sitting there like what happened?
• 53:36
  Speaker 2: What?
• 53:39
  Speaker 1: Oh you? Yeah, I'm saying that was me, Yo.
• 53:44
  Speaker 2: Remember hearing that conversation.
• 53:46
  Speaker 5: Do you feel like to at that point because it
• 53:48
  Speaker 5: was now it's like once you get to like Chrisnive
• 53:51
  Speaker 5: and Oschino and P. D Crack, there's so many different
• 53:53
  Speaker 5: people involved versus when you're there right, Jay Z's like
• 53:56
  Speaker 5: right there with you, like no, put the blunt down,
• 53:59
  Speaker 5: no get only.
• 54:00
  Speaker 1: At the shows. He was never there in the studio.
• 54:03
  Speaker 4: That's why I don't understand where the narrative came from
• 54:05
  Speaker 4: that Jay wrote for me. That's why I can't wait
• 54:08
  Speaker 4: till the Guru interview drop. Lenny asked interview because then
• 54:12
  Speaker 4: they gonna really hear the stories on the work and
• 54:15
  Speaker 4: how hard it was for us to even get them
• 54:18
  Speaker 4: to acknowledge us. Because when Beans got his deal at Rockefeller,
• 54:22
  Speaker 4: I was the first artist. Everything was Memphis Bleak. When
• 54:26
  Speaker 4: Beans came, it was ice cold for me. Everything was Beans,
• 54:30
  Speaker 4: even in my eyes, Like they put us in the
• 54:32
  Speaker 4: studio to even try to test to see who were
• 54:35
  Speaker 4: gonna rock with. And that's when we did Crew Love
• 54:38
  Speaker 4: You Hear Beans rhyme on there. I knew, like this
• 54:41
  Speaker 4: guy's for not what I'm gonna do. I gotta step
• 54:44
  Speaker 4: it up. So while the parade was running that way,
• 54:47
  Speaker 4: Lenny was the only one who locked in with me
• 54:50
  Speaker 4: and we went and made Coming to Age album. We
• 54:52
  Speaker 4: did the whole album by itself. Nobody even heard it.
• 54:55
  Speaker 4: That's why if you listen to what you think of that?
• 54:57
  Speaker 4: Jay Verse don't even go with the song because he
• 55:00
  Speaker 4: wasn't there with us. He was like, Yo, what song
• 55:02
  Speaker 4: am I going round on it? And I'm like, put a
• 55:04
  Speaker 4: Verse on this one? And he just put whatever he
• 55:06
  Speaker 4: wanted on that on that particular song. That's why he
• 55:09
  Speaker 4: ain't even getting the video with me, so.
• 55:11
  Speaker 2: He didn't rap on his song. It was like a
• 55:12
  Speaker 2: verse you already had sitting around.
• 55:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he rather and he spit it on. What you
• 55:15
  Speaker 1: think of that?
• 55:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah?
• 55:17
  Speaker 4: But yeah, Jay wasn't like we did that whole album
• 55:20
  Speaker 4: by itself, like no input, no nothing. Now on the
• 55:23
  Speaker 4: second album, I could see why you might think that
• 55:26
  Speaker 4: because I got an alley oop with a record?
• 55:28
  Speaker 2: Is that shit?
• 55:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah?
• 55:29
  Speaker 4: Like that was on his London record. But it's still like, Yo, bro,
• 55:33
  Speaker 4: I got a hook, I gotta beat, write a verse,
• 55:35
  Speaker 4: We're gonna shoot a video.
• 55:36
  Speaker 1: Cool. That's not you writing for me. You just gave
• 55:38
  Speaker 1: me an idea, you know what I'm saying.
• 55:40
  Speaker 5: Beanie siegu said that it was because it was it
• 55:42
  Speaker 5: was how you said it was a three, y'all. That
• 55:44
  Speaker 5: basically Jaz had to cheat for you because it was
• 55:47
  Speaker 5: a three y'all, and that's where the writing came from.
• 55:48
  Speaker 4: He just don't want to admit I shmoked him. That's
• 55:52
  Speaker 4: that said that he must have felt I had the
• 55:53
  Speaker 4: best verse, and he's like, the only way that could happen,
• 55:56
  Speaker 4: Jay had to give him some balls. So I don't
• 55:58
  Speaker 4: know if you if we all in the studio writing,
• 56:01
  Speaker 4: how fast is Jay writing that you didn't see him
• 56:04
  Speaker 4: write for me?
• 56:06
  Speaker 1: Like it's impossible, right exactly?
• 56:09
  Speaker 4: You didn't see him tell me, Yo, some bars and
• 56:12
  Speaker 4: you ain't never hear reference track? Like where's the reference tracks?
• 56:15
  Speaker 2: Like?
• 56:15
  Speaker 1: Go leak those?
• 56:17
  Speaker 2: Now, there's a lot of history, man. I would like
• 56:18
  Speaker 2: to see you talk to Jim Jones.
• 56:20
  Speaker 4: Oh and Yo, Cam ain't gonna come Cam to lit
• 56:24
  Speaker 4: now the podcast, you know they live him and may
• 56:26
  Speaker 4: stay up there suited and booted baby get to that
• 56:29
  Speaker 4: chick gong so he I don't think Cam would sit down.
• 56:33
  Speaker 2: It is what it is to promote rock stylad.
• 56:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I go up there, I go up there. I
• 56:36
  Speaker 1: definitely pull up on Camp.
• 56:38
  Speaker 4: We had a relationship, That's what I That's why I
• 56:40
  Speaker 4: want my podcast to showcase that I have a lot
• 56:44
  Speaker 4: of relationships with a lot of people in this business
• 56:46
  Speaker 4: that people don't know. Like the world didn't know Sean
• 56:48
  Speaker 4: Price was related to me. People don't know steal from
• 56:51
  Speaker 4: Smith and Wesson is my cousin, Like you don't know.
• 56:54
  Speaker 1: I grew up in the duck down household like I
• 56:58
  Speaker 1: was supposed to.
• 56:59
  Speaker 4: I could have been ducked down, you know what I
• 57:00
  Speaker 4: mean before Rockefeller, Like people don't know.
• 57:03
  Speaker 1: I went to Statn Island.
• 57:05
  Speaker 4: Know Shahim and Ghosts and all of them from Stapleton
• 57:08
  Speaker 4: before the rap gang, like Joe well Ortiz from Cooper
• 57:12
  Speaker 4: was in a rap group with my artists living Proof
• 57:14
  Speaker 4: as a kid. I knew him since he was probably
• 57:16
  Speaker 4: like ten. Like a lot of people don't know these things.
• 57:19
  Speaker 4: So I feel like my podcast is gonna showcase.
• 57:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you couldn't be on dug Down you grimy but
• 57:24
  Speaker 2: not duck down grin couldn't.
• 57:30
  Speaker 1: I tried. I tried back in the day.
• 57:32
  Speaker 4: They was like, nah, you gotta gotta come up, And
• 57:34
  Speaker 4: ironically I made a song called come an age.
• 57:37
  Speaker 3: Yeah listen, bleak man, do you ever wake up sometimes?
• 57:40
  Speaker 3: Just be like yo, we changed the world, man.
• 57:42
  Speaker 1: Nah Man.
• 57:43
  Speaker 4: I wanted I wake up sometimes and hope I did enough.
• 57:46
  Speaker 4: I say that that I hope I made my mark.
• 57:49
  Speaker 4: I did my thing that I ain't disappoint my friends,
• 57:52
  Speaker 4: my family, or my fans of people that you know,
• 57:55
  Speaker 4: rock with me. And sometimes I wake up and don't
• 57:57
  Speaker 4: feel I did enough. Like that's why you know, I
• 58:02
  Speaker 4: feel like like my partner Cheech, he made it make
• 58:05
  Speaker 4: sense to me, Like you know, I stopped rapping. I
• 58:07
  Speaker 4: didn't care, like I said, I left with a gold album,
• 58:09
  Speaker 4: so rap. I didn't care like I ain't an't feel
• 58:11
  Speaker 4: like I left anything on the table. And when me
• 58:14
  Speaker 4: and him started working with the Warehouse movement and doing
• 58:16
  Speaker 4: everything we're doing with the mind Right and all of that,
• 58:19
  Speaker 4: he like, yo, bro, I was a real fan and
• 58:22
  Speaker 4: you left me hanging. You didn't give me no closure.
• 58:25
  Speaker 4: You just left one and then left, Like how would
• 58:28
  Speaker 4: you think the people who really really rock and was
• 58:30
  Speaker 4: rooting for you feel. You didn't give us no explanation,
• 58:33
  Speaker 4: no exit, no nothing. And I'm like, damn, he right,
• 58:36
  Speaker 4: And those guys are like me, we're grown now. I'm
• 58:39
  Speaker 4: pretty sure it's hard for them to find a playlist
• 58:42
  Speaker 4: or something to really get into. Cause me, I find
• 58:44
  Speaker 4: myself listening to Shade now ain't really too much. I
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  Speaker 4: could get into. That's talking about what I live. So
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  Speaker 4: that's what made me make this album. And trust me,
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  Speaker 4: it's for us, man, it's a doll. I don't have one.
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  Speaker 1: Gun on me on this project because I don't live
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  Speaker 1: that life. It's literally for us.
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  Speaker 4: And I told them, if I'm gonna make music, I
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  Speaker 4: want to give these guys some type of gang, some
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  Speaker 4: type of hope because as a teenager today, to look
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  Speaker 4: out a guy fifty years old still doing the same
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  Speaker 4: thing you doing today, what hope does that get?
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  Speaker 1: Right?
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  Speaker 4: You got to see somebody that you would be like, yo, Okay.
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  Speaker 4: It is like at the end of the tunnel a
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  Speaker 4: person who came up like me, right, And that's what.
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  Speaker 1: I want to be man.
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  Speaker 2: And now I'm driving June.
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  Speaker 4: Twentieth, six twenty we outside with it again called Apartment
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  Speaker 4: three D, just the closure from five to thirty four.
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  Speaker 1: That's the address, five to three to four, Apartment three D.
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  Speaker 3: And the rock Solid podcast is available everywhere you listen
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  Speaker 3: to podcasts on the Drink, Chance, Black Effect, Alright, Heeart
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  Speaker 3: Radio podcast Network, Bleak.
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  Speaker 2: Always a pleasure man.
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  Speaker 3: Always glad for you in this space, Glad to hear
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  Speaker 3: these stories being told.
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  Speaker 1: My brother appreciate you, Laura. Nice meeting too. Wake that
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  Speaker 1: ass up in the morning.
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  Speaker 2: The Breakfast Club