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#2197 Mentors - Bobby Cappuccio · The You Project

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  Speaker 1: I get a team that's Harps and tiff and Bobby.
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  Speaker 1: I hope this finds you well. I hope you're having
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  Speaker 1: a good day, good morning, good evening. At Tiffany and
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  Speaker 1: Cook has had breakfast. It's ten forty, so we catch
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  Speaker 1: her in between meals, which is as long as it's
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  Speaker 1: not close to the next meal. If it's somewhere mid meal,
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  Speaker 1: we should be able to get a good sixty minutes
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  Speaker 1: out of her. I'm not sure, but we just stand by.
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  Speaker 1: Are you are you hungry or are you satisfied at
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  Speaker 1: the minute.
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  Speaker 2: I'm satisfied at the minute.
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  Speaker 3: There are some days where I feel like I'm just
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  Speaker 3: trying to chase a gap to you know, sometimes to
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  Speaker 3: train and it's like I'm too hungry. I would eat
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  Speaker 3: something hard, too full, a better wait, Oh now I'm hungry,
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  Speaker 3: And you know, I.
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  Speaker 2: Go through the whole day. You're just trying to squeeze
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  Speaker 2: in some sort of workout.
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  Speaker 1: You know how you're a fledgling speaker and you're just
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  Speaker 1: getting up and running and you're doing good. You know
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  Speaker 1: at some stage you're going to get a ten hour
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  Speaker 1: speaking gig because you're going to get booked for a
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  Speaker 1: whole day so you need to think about that because
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  Speaker 1: you can't just walk off stage and go fuck out.
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  Speaker 1: I'm going to get a chicken salad or just stand by.
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  Speaker 1: So you can't do that. What are you going to
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  Speaker 1: do when when you've got it? Will you?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm just going to.
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  Speaker 1: Put food in your mouth on stage, eat a chicken
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  Speaker 1: right there on stage.
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  Speaker 4: I'll be amazing. I've never seen that before.
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  Speaker 3: A snack break, won't they Yeah, it depends.
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  Speaker 1: The snack break might not be when you want it.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I'll have to be running on high adrenaline so
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  Speaker 2: that my hunger hormones stand down for a minute.
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  Speaker 1: I think you'll be right. I think you'll manage it.
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  Speaker 1: You could have a little protein drink or something. Bobby,
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  Speaker 1: what's the biggest day you've done in terms of speaking?
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  Speaker 1: Have you done a whole day?
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  Speaker 3: Oh?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I used to do a lot of holidays. I
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  Speaker 4: quite like them.
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  Speaker 5: I used to do eight hour days. Eight hour days.
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  Speaker 5: It's like eight hours plus lunch. That's like a nine
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  Speaker 5: hour a day. I think I've done even longer than
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  Speaker 5: that in the past. Tell you what when you're speaking
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  Speaker 5: for that like marathon, I don't know about you, but
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  Speaker 5: for me, don't sit down for lunch, do not.
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  Speaker 1: Sit And how I can't eat lunch leisurely lunch, which
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  Speaker 1: is I'm the opposite of TI if like if I eat,
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  Speaker 1: if I ate a meal, like I could eat a snack,
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  Speaker 1: I could have a protein drink or a protein bar,
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  Speaker 1: I could have half a chicken wrap or something like that.
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  Speaker 1: But if I ate a meal for lunch, my cognitive
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  Speaker 1: capacity plummets, my energy plummets. Yeah, I can't. I need
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  Speaker 1: to be not hyper but next door to hyper for
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  Speaker 1: me to be able to be somewhere close to the
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  Speaker 1: level that I was at nine point thirty to be
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  Speaker 1: there at five o'clock in the afternoon, I really need
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  Speaker 1: to manage food and water. Yeah, it's for me anyway.
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  Speaker 5: So I have hit the wall on a couple of
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  Speaker 5: occasions after lunch, especially the stuff that they bring in.
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  Speaker 5: You have to have your own snacks, yeah, because they'll
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  Speaker 5: bring in like just a lot of carbs mid day
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  Speaker 5: for lunch. Like get out of lunch, go stand up
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  Speaker 5: in front of the room, and it's like, oh my god,
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  Speaker 5: I feel like I've been roofed.
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  Speaker 4: This is bad.
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  Speaker 1: That is true. I mean Tiff was texting me before
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  Speaker 1: about something irrelevant to this. But we're just talking about certain,
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  Speaker 1: you know, stuff that we do to try to get
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  Speaker 1: the most out of ourselves. And we'll talk about I
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  Speaker 1: think we're talking about nicotine when't we and a few
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  Speaker 1: other things, a few other bits and pieces, And it's
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  Speaker 1: like not suggesting anyone uses nicotine, by the way, but
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  Speaker 1: you know, I said to Tiff, just do a little
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  Speaker 1: couple of n equals one, you know, kind of seven
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  Speaker 1: day or mini studies on yourself to see what works
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  Speaker 1: for you. But yeah, I know exactly what works for
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  Speaker 1: me in terms of maintaining my energy as high as
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  Speaker 1: it can be for as long as I can. But
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  Speaker 1: if something interrupts that be that. You know, Also for me,
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  Speaker 1: I need to get a great sleep the night before
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  Speaker 1: otherwise I'm no good. I hit the wall at about
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  Speaker 1: lunchtime then I really struggle. So what about that? Let's
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  Speaker 1: talk about that energy management and energy optimization. What is like,
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  Speaker 1: what are the things either of you that you have
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  Speaker 1: to do, because this is important for all of us.
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  Speaker 1: I have to be hydrated, I have to be well slept.
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  Speaker 1: I can get away with one bad night's sleep, but
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  Speaker 1: I cannot get away with more than that. And I
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  Speaker 1: need to have. I can't eat any This is not
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  Speaker 1: very scientific, but any heavy food through the day. Like
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  Speaker 1: once I eat a meal like a dinner that's got
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  Speaker 1: a fair bit of protein, fat and carbs, I'm just, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I'm in a cognitive fog for the rest of that,
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  Speaker 1: for the rest to die. What have you got to do, Bobby.
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  Speaker 5: Well, ideally getting a great night sleep. And sometimes like
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  Speaker 5: day one, that's not completely up to you. Your plane's delayed,
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  Speaker 5: you get to the hotel past midnight, there's nothing you
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  Speaker 5: can really do about that. You got to wake up
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  Speaker 5: full thirty five just to be ready.
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  Speaker 4: But I'm with you.
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  Speaker 5: I can handle one night like that. Two nights like
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  Speaker 5: that is brutal. Was well speak of a Ken Baldwin.
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  Speaker 5: When I had flown out to the Gold Coast.
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  Speaker 4: I was just flying throughout the day.
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  Speaker 5: I was doing all right, and then the second I
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  Speaker 5: slowed down, I think OD handing me two ounces of
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  Speaker 5: wine and it was like, yeah, I have this. I
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  Speaker 5: just had like two ounces of wine and a sandwich,
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  Speaker 5: and I was just like, oh my god, I can't
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  Speaker 5: even stand. I need to go back to my room
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  Speaker 5: and I'm not going out to dinner tonight. So for me,
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  Speaker 5: if I could get up early in the morning. Optimal
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  Speaker 5: situation is a good night of rest and just get
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  Speaker 5: moving when I've slept well. Caffeine really works for me.
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  Speaker 5: It's like magic and just movement, like walk around around
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  Speaker 5: the street, circle around the hotel a couple of times,
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  Speaker 5: listen to something, move my body, get into state. I
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  Speaker 5: have tourette, so I'm probably talking to myself the whole time,
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  Speaker 5: freaking everyone out. A Luckily there's probably not too many
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  Speaker 5: people out at that time, the employees that co in security.
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  Speaker 5: But that's okay. And if I could just elevate that
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  Speaker 5: energy and ride that out onto the stage, it's good.
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  Speaker 5: The worst thing is when other times in the environments
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  Speaker 5: I speak, don't want you to sit down? Oh glad
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  Speaker 5: you're here, sit right here. We need to just sit
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  Speaker 5: in the I was like, why do I need to sit.
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  Speaker 4: It's like, oh god, I gotta sit down. I'm like that.
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  Speaker 5: I'm like that kindergarten kid with ADHD. It's like, get
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  Speaker 5: me out of this seat. If I don't get out
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  Speaker 5: of the seat, it's gonna be bad. Yeah, you're a
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  Speaker 5: big pisa.
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  Speaker 1: I've sen you present many times and you're like a
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  Speaker 1: fucking cat on the or some wild cat on the
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  Speaker 1: bloody in the jungle. What's it?
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  Speaker 4: Which can be distracting.
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  Speaker 5: Sometimes it's engaging if you can manage it, if you
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  Speaker 5: can move, But too much of that I think has
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  Speaker 5: the opposite effect on the audience.
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  Speaker 1: Do you know it's interesting from a personal up sorry,
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  Speaker 1: from a professional speaking point of view, and TIF you'll
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  Speaker 1: notice this as as you do more and more. And
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  Speaker 1: this could be with anything performative or playing in the AFL,
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  Speaker 1: or it could be singing in front of a group,
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  Speaker 1: or it could be could be just shown up to
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  Speaker 1: a new environment and a new job. But when you
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  Speaker 1: first start and you don't have mastery or you're not
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  Speaker 1: close to that, and you still kind of got your
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  Speaker 1: l plates on and you're learning and you can do
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  Speaker 1: the job, but it just takes much more emotional and
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  Speaker 1: mental and physical energy to do it because you've got
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  Speaker 1: you know, you've been over You've been thinking about this
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  Speaker 1: thing that you're doing at midday since midday yesterday, including
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  Speaker 1: most of the night, and then you get up and
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  Speaker 1: you're not that well. For me, I'm not usually that
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  Speaker 1: hungry in the morning before a gig. And then so
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  Speaker 1: you've got all this energy that you expend before you
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  Speaker 1: do the thing, which means you kind of arrive suboptimal,
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  Speaker 1: you know, so that trying to but over time you
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  Speaker 1: just get like for me, I have and not because
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  Speaker 1: I'm great, just because I've done a.
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  Speaker 4: Lot I have.
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  Speaker 1: I think I waste no energy, like I just don't.
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  Speaker 1: The things I worry about most is finding the fucking
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  Speaker 1: venue and getting a park like that. That takes up
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  Speaker 1: ninety percent of my worry. I'm not worried about the gig.
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  Speaker 1: I'm like, will I find the room, will I find
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  Speaker 1: the person? Will I get a park? Will I get booked?
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  Speaker 1: If I like, I've literally part, I've literally got to
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  Speaker 1: a gig, parked, walked in the venue, and I'm literally
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  Speaker 1: a suburb away, but I'm in the right street, but
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  Speaker 1: it's in a Yes it is this street, but not
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  Speaker 1: this street in this suburb. Ye. So I've walked into
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  Speaker 1: some building. I'm like, this does not look like you know, Telstra,
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  Speaker 1: that's a that's a bad situation. Oh I've had that
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  Speaker 1: happen more than you know, maybe five times. Where I've
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  Speaker 1: thought I was where I needed to be.
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  Speaker 5: When I first started, when I first started speaking, Oh
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  Speaker 5: my god, so I was I was doing a joint
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  Speaker 5: presentation with a guy who was going to become my boss,
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  Speaker 5: and he was also someone who I really wanted to
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  Speaker 5: make a good impression on. And we are completely lost
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  Speaker 5: in the middle of New Jersey on the east coast
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  Speaker 5: of the States, and he's this.
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  Speaker 4: Giant dude, like flat top.
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  Speaker 5: He's like well like over two point fifty, just jacked,
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  Speaker 5: and he's driving and yelling keviner by any chance.
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  Speaker 4: No, no, this is not this is not Kevin Lafaria.
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  Speaker 2: Uh.
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  Speaker 5: This guy was way bigger than keV, so bigger than big.
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  Speaker 5: F's like very scary looking guy. He's punching the steering
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  Speaker 5: wheel and cursing out loud and I'm in the passenger.
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  Speaker 5: You see it going. This is not going very well
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  Speaker 5: so far. He gets into a ha you're hanging.
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  Speaker 1: Off mirror, just bubbing back and forwards.
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  Speaker 5: I'm just like, okay, just don't say anything, look straight ahead.
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  Speaker 5: By the time we get there, he's not in a
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  Speaker 5: good mood. He's just completely raging. So he's like, all right,
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  Speaker 5: you're you're up, Capuccio, don't screw this up.
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  Speaker 4: It's like, thank you, thank you for the words of encouragement.
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  Speaker 4: So I go in there.
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  Speaker 5: I'm so nervous and I'm holding up this dumbbell and
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  Speaker 5: I'm talking about vectors force vectors, and like one of
• 10:50
  Speaker 5: those vectors is gravity, and I accidentally dropped the dumb
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  Speaker 5: belf I thank Heaven's it wasn't a very heavy one
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  Speaker 5: from my hand onto the newly LA Group X floor
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  Speaker 5: in front of a couple of hundred of employees of
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  Speaker 5: this health club chain, not mentioning names of anything, and
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  Speaker 5: I'm going through it and he's just staring at me
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  Speaker 5: from the back of the room, not like a disapproving stare,
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  Speaker 5: like I'm gonna kill you joying the break.
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  Speaker 4: I'm gonna take you out into the parking lot and
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  Speaker 4: beat you to death with a brick.
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  Speaker 5: And he comes up to me joying the break, and
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  Speaker 5: he goes, that was disgustingly horrible.
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  Speaker 4: That was so badly done. I'm gonna have to take
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  Speaker 4: over from here.
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  Speaker 5: You can't handle this all right, thanks, So at this
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  Speaker 5: point I'm like, I don't think I'm doing too well,
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  Speaker 5: and then he takes over the next segment, and then
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  Speaker 5: over lunch he's like, I'm gonna give you one chance
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  Speaker 5: to redeem yourself, and only one.
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  Speaker 4: I was like, all right, So with no pressure at all, I.
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  Speaker 5: Just continue through the afternoon, which apparently he was quite
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  Speaker 5: satisfied with it.
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  Speaker 1: So he seems like a prick. That's the worst coaching
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  Speaker 1: style ever.
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  Speaker 5: He was very high strong, very high strong. Could use
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  Speaker 5: a couple of anger management. But prior to this, like
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  Speaker 5: we were like really good mates. And after it as well,
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  Speaker 5: so I was like, I so hearing this from him,
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  Speaker 5: I was just what am I gonna do? I'm young,
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  Speaker 5: I must have been. How old was I twenty three
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  Speaker 5: at this time at most? And it was just like, okay,
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  Speaker 5: if I could do that. But being on the road
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  Speaker 5: with this guy, because that wasn't the only time that happened,
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  Speaker 5: and I don't know, I don't know if he had
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  Speaker 5: a problem or if I genuinely sucked so bad at
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  Speaker 5: this and didn't realize it. And he was like, God,
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  Speaker 5: this guy, how can I help him? He's just hopeless.
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  Speaker 5: But being on the road with him was great because
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  Speaker 5: if you can go through that, and oh man, so
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  Speaker 5: I had to share a room with him and another
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  Speaker 5: really good friend of mine, like this guy is to
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  Speaker 5: this day, very good friend, great speed. But both of
• 13:01
  Speaker 5: these dudes were like over two fifty and they snored
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  Speaker 5: something terrible. They could rip the curtains like out of
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  Speaker 5: the wall of the hotel with how hard they snored.
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  Speaker 5: So I got zero sleep, So I would have to
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  Speaker 5: do day after day with probably an hour sleep. In me,
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  Speaker 5: it was like boot camp for speakers. Everything else was
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  Speaker 5: so much easier and manageable after that introduction to the
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  Speaker 5: public speaking world.
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  Speaker 1: Well, it doesn't sound like it was fun.
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  Speaker 4: That was a lot of fun.
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  Speaker 1: That's a lot of added pressure, though, that up the
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  Speaker 1: back glaring at you. That doesn't make your job easier.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know.
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  Speaker 5: Sometimes when I'm speaking to an audience, I still see him.
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  Speaker 1: Sometimes I just wake up and he's flooding above my bed,
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  Speaker 1: just giving me dirty looks. Well, go to for performing
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  Speaker 1: under pressure.
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  Speaker 4: Or do you have?
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  Speaker 1: I mean it's different for different things. Boxing was one thing,
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  Speaker 1: but now you're kind of you're entering a different arena.
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  Speaker 1: I mean you're already doing it obviously, but as you
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  Speaker 1: continue to evolve as a speaker, what are the things
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  Speaker 1: that you need to manage to be better? Whether it's energy,
• 14:21
  Speaker 1: whether it's fear or anxiety, or whether it's preparation, or
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  Speaker 1: whether it's execution, Like, what are the things that need
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  Speaker 1: your energy, and what's the stuff that kind of can
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  Speaker 1: hamstring you.
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  Speaker 2: I think that.
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  Speaker 3: Managing my time and focus in the lead up. So
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  Speaker 3: you know, I used to waste a lot of time
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  Speaker 3: trying to pre prepare really early on and get nothing done.
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  Speaker 3: So I kind of bypassed that and set time right
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  Speaker 3: beforehand to just immerse myself in being ready for it,
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  Speaker 3: spending time so there's nothing else important the day before.
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  Speaker 3: So yeah, just giving myself that time and space. Sleep
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  Speaker 3: is really important. But I know that I can function
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  Speaker 3: in performance really well if I don't sleep beforehand, because
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  Speaker 3: like when I was up in Queensland, there's four days
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  Speaker 3: we were up there at the event, I wasn't sleeping
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  Speaker 3: well or a lot, like I was at four hour
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  Speaker 3: sleep most nights.
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  Speaker 2: But I know that because I've got.
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  Speaker 3: That excitement and that bit of adrenaline, I'm on and
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  Speaker 3: I still feel very good. But I know I'll crash afterwards,
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  Speaker 3: but I've got to have good sleep in the lead up.
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  Speaker 1: Was that when you were loading up on thirty grams
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  Speaker 1: of creed?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, yep, just clinging to as much cognitive support.
• 15:48
  Speaker 1: I wonder, I wonder what the long term consequences are
• 15:53
  Speaker 1: of that. So if you're wondering what creatine is, I
• 15:57
  Speaker 1: know most of our listeners it's a supplement, something that
• 16:00
  Speaker 1: exists in the body naturally, and it gets people use
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  Speaker 1: it for a range of alleged athletic reasons it has. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: it's quite popular and for a lot of people it's
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  Speaker 1: reasonably effective. But more lately people have been using it
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  Speaker 1: as a kind of a cognitive enhancer or a recovery tool,
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  Speaker 1: even for lack of sleep. And the theory being that
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  Speaker 1: when you take a kind of a three or four
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  Speaker 1: hundred percent dose, its normally say five grams maybe give
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  Speaker 1: or take a day, and some people are upping at
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  Speaker 1: to thirty that there's there's quite a you know, in
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  Speaker 1: the short term, there seems to be a real improvement
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  Speaker 1: in cognitive function for people who are in sleep deficit.
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  Speaker 1: I wonder over the long term, did you like when
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  Speaker 1: you did it? Did you feel anything like, oh, this
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  Speaker 1: is actually noticeable, it's actually doing something.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, I didn't feel impaired. But it's it's not
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  Speaker 3: a stimulating type of it's not a stimulant. It's not
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  Speaker 3: a supplement that makes you amped or which is why
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  Speaker 3: I like it. I don't like messing with things, especially
• 17:05
  Speaker 3: these the last few years, because everything about the way
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  Speaker 3: my body recovers and adapts to stress has changed wildly.
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  Speaker 3: I don't like to play with things that stimulate in
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  Speaker 3: order to function because I know that's kind of come
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  Speaker 3: at a cost where I crash later.
• 17:22
  Speaker 1: You should just maybe mid presentation, light up a dart,
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: you know, just start, just get a mile borrow out,
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  Speaker 1: just light up, just for a little bit of let
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  Speaker 1: it go down.
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  Speaker 2: Well I'm sure, yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: It takes a while to get lung cancer, so you know,
• 17:41
  Speaker 1: just do it for a year or two. Because you
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: have a smoke, Bobby, did you have a smoke?
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  Speaker 5: Oh yeah, When I was a kid, so God, when
• 17:51
  Speaker 5: I was like ten, eleven, twelve, I was like smoking, drinking,
• 17:55
  Speaker 5: hanging out all that.
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: What did you drink when you were eleven?
• 17:59
  Speaker 5: Well, kind of much. You had to get somebody to
• 18:01
  Speaker 5: go in to a shop for you. So it was
• 18:06
  Speaker 5: either old English eight hundred, which can't be considered lagger
• 18:11
  Speaker 5: or ale or anything even suitable for human consumption. It's
• 18:16
  Speaker 5: just this malt liquor thing that is just disgusting, absolutely disgusting.
• 18:22
  Speaker 5: I don't know why I would drink that, And the
• 18:24
  Speaker 5: worst thing I would drink is like brass Monkey. I
• 18:28
  Speaker 5: don't even know what's in that, it's just a very
• 18:31
  Speaker 5: The Beastie Boys came out with this song brass Monkey.
• 18:34
  Speaker 5: You've heard it, right, that funky monkey, right. So yeah,
• 18:38
  Speaker 5: and I thought this is one line. I could drink
• 18:41
  Speaker 5: a cord of monkey and still stand still. So man,
• 18:44
  Speaker 5: my hooligan friends thought we'd test that we couldn't. So yeah,
• 18:50
  Speaker 5: I was in a rough period, like around I wouldn't
• 18:53
  Speaker 5: say ten, but around twelve.
• 18:55
  Speaker 4: I was into heavy drinking. People.
• 18:58
  Speaker 5: All they would do is is drink and smoke, fight
• 19:03
  Speaker 5: and get into a lot of trouble.
• 19:05
  Speaker 4: That was it. And those that was like my family.
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah nice, Well worries me the most about everything you
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: just said is that there were adults in your world
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: prepared to go and buy booze for an eleven year old.
• 19:21
  Speaker 5: Oh yeah, now, these are just random people. It was
• 19:24
  Speaker 5: the eighties in Coney Island. Nobody gave a shit about anything. Like,
• 19:28
  Speaker 5: they didn't care if we drank like that whole forty
• 19:32
  Speaker 5: forty ounces right because we're off the metric system, and
• 19:36
  Speaker 5: like we went out and committed abominable crimes and ended
• 19:40
  Speaker 5: up in like juvenile detention for the next few years.
• 19:45
  Speaker 5: They could not care less. I mean some people could,
• 19:48
  Speaker 5: but you find the right person, they'll saw this to you.
• 19:52
  Speaker 5: And like I was hanging out with these people because
• 19:54
  Speaker 5: I couldn't. I couldn't go home. There's not like, oh,
• 19:56
  Speaker 5: I'm gonna go home, guys, because like going home was
• 20:00
  Speaker 5: very dangerous. Like literally hanging out with them, like a
• 20:04
  Speaker 5: bunch of hooligans getting into stuff we have no business
• 20:07
  Speaker 5: getting into, drinking, smoke and fighting was more.
• 20:11
  Speaker 4: It was safer than like just going back home for
• 20:14
  Speaker 4: the evening. So this became not always. I can't say
• 20:21
  Speaker 4: I enjoyed it, Craig.
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: Where would you sleep?
• 20:25
  Speaker 5: I would either sleep at my friend's houses, all right,
• 20:31
  Speaker 5: just just crash over there. I had one friend who,
• 20:34
  Speaker 5: let's just say he didn't have any parental supervision, so
• 20:37
  Speaker 5: I could always go over there. And sometimes I would
• 20:42
  Speaker 5: just like sleep on the boardwalk on a bench.
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: Ah, I just want to come and cuddle you.
• 20:51
  Speaker 5: Oh fuck, you know what, Craig. I've been thinking about
• 20:54
  Speaker 5: this a lot. I had a great childhood. I think
• 20:57
  Speaker 5: my childhood was ideal. Not the smoking, not the drinking.
• 21:01
  Speaker 5: I probably I'm dumb enough as it is. Didn't need
• 21:05
  Speaker 5: any of that, but I feel like there were just
• 21:07
  Speaker 5: certain experiences I've had that potentially could have set me up.
• 21:13
  Speaker 4: For great things in life. Yeah, and even though I
• 21:17
  Speaker 4: couldn't contrived.
• 21:18
  Speaker 5: And it's like, I feel like I'm probably gonna get
• 21:21
  Speaker 5: in so much trouble saying this on a podcast, and
• 21:23
  Speaker 5: I hope you don't get in trouble with me saying
• 21:26
  Speaker 5: this on a podcast. I feel like there's a certain
• 21:29
  Speaker 5: level of delusion that is, and not a high level
• 21:34
  Speaker 5: of delusion. I think that's destructive, but there's just the
• 21:37
  Speaker 5: right slight dose of delusion that really helps you thrive
• 21:42
  Speaker 5: in life, like regardless of what happens to you. Give
• 21:47
  Speaker 5: me the example, Well, when I was in my twenties,
• 21:50
  Speaker 5: I don't think I was prepared to face anything that
• 21:55
  Speaker 5: happened to me, and I was just so desperate to
• 21:57
  Speaker 5: escape it. I still remember that feeling. Teen years old.
• 22:00
  Speaker 5: I'm in my brand new basement apartment, I'm living on
• 22:03
  Speaker 5: my own, and the first thought is, holy shit, I've
• 22:07
  Speaker 5: got to keep this no matter what happens.
• 22:09
  Speaker 4: I can't fail. I can't go broke.
• 22:11
  Speaker 5: I can't like lose my job and not have money
• 22:13
  Speaker 5: because I cannot go back there, like this is it.
• 22:16
  Speaker 5: You're done, You're on your own, And there was just
• 22:20
  Speaker 5: I thought I was hanging out with some people and
• 22:25
  Speaker 5: I feel like they kind of had my best interest
• 22:27
  Speaker 5: at heart, and some of them were very good influences.
• 22:30
  Speaker 5: Some of them were not good influences. And to their credit,
• 22:34
  Speaker 5: at some point they were like, lose my number, don't
• 22:36
  Speaker 5: ever call us again. You don't want our numbers in
• 22:39
  Speaker 5: your phone, like you don't want to be associated with us.
• 22:42
  Speaker 4: And I'm grateful for that.
• 22:45
  Speaker 5: But I was like, everything that happened to me happened
• 22:48
  Speaker 5: for me, and I really believe that, or at the
• 22:52
  Speaker 5: very least I truly believe that.
• 22:54
  Speaker 4: I believe that.
• 22:55
  Speaker 5: And I was like, I owe the world something like
• 22:59
  Speaker 5: life doesn't owe me anything, but what happened to me
• 23:02
  Speaker 5: and the fact that I made it.
• 23:04
  Speaker 4: I don't know, what can you hear that?
• 23:06
  Speaker 5: Somebody's like, I feel like a clown is riding a
• 23:09
  Speaker 5: unicycle honking a horn right outside my window. Or maybe
• 23:13
  Speaker 5: that was all the smoking and drinking I did when
• 23:15
  Speaker 5: I was twelve. Yeah, right, so I'm still I passed
• 23:20
  Speaker 5: that like normal dose where it's healthy. It's like now
• 23:24
  Speaker 5: it's like the clown and the unicycle constantly. But that's
• 23:27
  Speaker 5: what it sounds like. And I felt like because I
• 23:29
  Speaker 5: came out of everything the way I did, and I
• 23:31
  Speaker 5: had a job and I had people invested in me,
• 23:34
  Speaker 5: and I was developing skills, I was like, I'm accountable
• 23:37
  Speaker 5: to life. Life's making a demand for me, and life
• 23:41
  Speaker 5: gave me all the tools in a school that wasn't easy,
• 23:46
  Speaker 5: It didn't feel good, but it was the perfect cocktail
• 23:49
  Speaker 5: that I needed to be able to go out and
• 23:51
  Speaker 5: do what it is I wanted to do.
• 23:53
  Speaker 4: And I knew what that thing was with so.
• 23:56
  Speaker 5: Much certainty back then, and anh I like went out
• 24:00
  Speaker 5: to do really hard things and get on a team
• 24:03
  Speaker 5: that a lot of people were probably more qualified to
• 24:06
  Speaker 5: get on than me, But I got on that team
• 24:08
  Speaker 5: because to me, no was not an option.
• 24:11
  Speaker 4: So I feel like I had a really good childhood.
• 24:14
  Speaker 5: I don't feel like I had a bad A hard
• 24:16
  Speaker 5: childhood yeah, challenging.
• 24:18
  Speaker 4: Yeah bad. And I had a great childhood. I could
• 24:21
  Speaker 4: have grown up in a cul de sac called the
• 24:25
  Speaker 4: sex an't bad.
• 24:27
  Speaker 3: Fuck.
• 24:28
  Speaker 5: We hear people talk about culder sacks growing up and
• 24:30
  Speaker 5: are called it. That sounds torturous to me.
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: So what were the skills and attributes and traits and
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: awareness that you wound up with at nine aint twenty
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: because of your journey. Like, what did you have that
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: me living in comfortable, rural Victoria probably didn't have in
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: terms of as a result of this path that you'd been.
• 25:00
  Speaker 5: You know, I could hot wire any car before, you know,
• 25:03
  Speaker 5: like nineteen eighty.
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: Two, did you really do that?
• 25:07
  Speaker 5: No, No, I'm not mechanically inclined. I mean I may
• 25:12
  Speaker 5: or may not have had friends that could really do that. Well,
• 25:15
  Speaker 5: you know, oh god, there's so many stories I cannot
• 25:19
  Speaker 5: talk about on the podcast.
• 25:21
  Speaker 4: But me, no, I couldn't do that. But what I
• 25:24
  Speaker 4: could do was I had so much.
• 25:27
  Speaker 5: Entery, Like if you think about and my friends were
• 25:30
  Speaker 5: kind of hard working, like even the most dysfunctional. I
• 25:34
  Speaker 5: grew up with a guy that was constantly in trouble.
• 25:37
  Speaker 5: He may or may not have been one of the
• 25:38
  Speaker 5: pioneers that invented carjacking. And like I remember the day
• 25:43
  Speaker 5: that he might have been escorted from school by the
• 25:46
  Speaker 5: police when he was arrested. So and he's got all
• 25:49
  Speaker 5: this going on, and he has so many self destructive behaviors,
• 25:53
  Speaker 5: but when you're talking about cars, yeah, he became like
• 25:56
  Speaker 5: this master mechanic moved out to Vegas, like he had
• 26:00
  Speaker 5: one of the top European automotive repair companies in Vegas.
• 26:05
  Speaker 5: In like that environment for those people. So even at
• 26:09
  Speaker 5: a young age sixteen seventeen, a lot of my friends
• 26:11
  Speaker 5: were really resourceful. It's just they use those resources in
• 26:15
  Speaker 5: a negative way. For me, I just had a lot
• 26:17
  Speaker 5: of energy. I was kind of like an octopus on rollerblades,
• 26:20
  Speaker 5: a lot of motion, but no real direction. And it's like,
• 26:24
  Speaker 5: the second I understood, oh this is the direction, I
• 26:29
  Speaker 5: felt like I.
• 26:29
  Speaker 4: Was an unstoppable force.
• 26:32
  Speaker 5: Just had a lot of enthusiasm, a lot of compassion,
• 26:36
  Speaker 5: a lot of drive, but not in like a hustle
• 26:38
  Speaker 5: culture sort of way, like I can't believe I'm so
• 26:41
  Speaker 5: excited I get to do this shit and learn this shit.
• 26:44
  Speaker 5: This wide eyed kind of like naivete sort of thing
• 26:48
  Speaker 5: that worked out for me.
• 26:50
  Speaker 4: I loved what I did.
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: I think when you don't have clarity about what you
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: want in the future, it's very hard to have that
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: level drive and motivation and excitement and focus. And you
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: got clarity tif when you were a teenager, I don't know,
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: fourteen fifteen onwards. Did you have any kind of clarity
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: about what you wanted to do for a career or
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: through your twenties or thirties, or was it a little
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: bit just trial and error?
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: Absolutely not. But I wanted to work.
• 27:24
  Speaker 3: I always wanted to get into the workforce asap, like
• 27:27
  Speaker 3: I was hounding. We lived in a well, I lived
• 27:31
  Speaker 3: in a shop when I was young. Then we lived
• 27:33
  Speaker 3: in a motel restaurant, and I think I was maybe
• 27:37
  Speaker 3: twelve thirteen then, and I was badgering to be able
• 27:41
  Speaker 3: to waitress and work, and I wasn't allowed to until
• 27:44
  Speaker 3: I was fourteen, and so I was just itching. And
• 27:47
  Speaker 3: then the minute I could do that, you know, I
• 27:49
  Speaker 3: went and got a left because I didn't know what I.
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: Wanted to do.
• 27:53
  Speaker 3: I left and did a not not an apprenticeship but
• 27:59
  Speaker 3: a business like traineeship, business traineeship at a company.
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: And worked two jobs.
• 28:05
  Speaker 3: And I just wanted to work my butt off, but
• 28:06
  Speaker 3: I did not know, Like I'm a trial and error person,
• 28:10
  Speaker 3: and it's taken me most of my forty something years
• 28:14
  Speaker 3: to keep trialing and erroring until I fell on and
• 28:17
  Speaker 3: then I fall on things and go Either that was cool,
• 28:20
  Speaker 3: but I don't want to keep doing it or this
• 28:23
  Speaker 3: is really cool. I want to keep doing this for
• 28:25
  Speaker 3: a while.
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: It is also it is difficult to get clarity about
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: wanting to do a thing that you've never done, because
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: you don't know what it's going to be, like, you
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: haven't experienced you've just maybe seen it, or you've seen
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: others do it, or you've heard about it. How many
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: people go to university going I'm going to do I'm
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: going to be an engineer, I'm going to be even
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: with my first degree, I'm going to be an excise scientist.
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: And I think in my year or my group that
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: went through, there would have been about one hundred in
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: my year, and I would say probably ninety five of
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: them don't work in exercise or fitness or that space
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: at all. And I would say sixty of them coming
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: straight out of the degree never worked in the space,
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: you know, because you just and then sometimes you have
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: no idea or no interest in or inclination towards something,
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: and then you have an experience with that something or
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: in the proximity and you're like, this is fucking fantastic.
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: I want to do this, or I want to do
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: this a bit, or I want to learn more about
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: this or you know. That's like, no one was planning
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: to be a podcaster in two thousand, you know what
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: I mean. Then it comes along and you go, ah,
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: this is all right, this is fun. I get to
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: have appointments with real smart people. I don't have to
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: pay for the appointment. Like imagine trying to get an
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: appointment with Mark Randolph, who created Netflix. If I just
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: sent an email to the company going, I know Mark's
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: got a bit on but can I chat with him?
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: I'm just a fuck with it from Melbourne, but could
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: I have an hour of his time? They're like, yeah,
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: good luck. But then you have a podcast and he goes, yeah,
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: I'd love to. And then you get to talk to
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: this entrepreneur who's a genius and he's moved through that
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: and now he lives this awesome life where he works
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: two days a week and does not work five days,
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: and he lives in I think he lives in Colorado
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: or somewhere where all he does is mountain bike and
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: kayak and hang out with his grandkids. And he's got this.
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: I'm like, that's a that's a pretty good model. Like
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: a bit of work, a lot of play, lots of rest,
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: you know, But it's been like having this as a
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: forum or this as a tool to be able to
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: learn stuff and connect and people that I think are
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: great with the world. What a great thing to be
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: able to do. But I was not thinking about it
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: when I was twenty four.
• 31:09
  Speaker 5: But I think that's the key to like really being
• 31:12
  Speaker 5: engaged and fulfilled and extracting joy in life. And yes,
• 31:17
  Speaker 5: it's your friends, it's your family, it's and there's the
• 31:20
  Speaker 5: simple hedonistic pleasures like a glass of wine or a sunrise,
• 31:24
  Speaker 5: And that's important, I think when you're very clear on
• 31:27
  Speaker 5: what it is you want to do and you get
• 31:30
  Speaker 5: to do it. Like Bonnie Tyler died today, which yeah,
• 31:35
  Speaker 5: I mean all of us grew up with her music
• 31:39
  Speaker 5: and I thought, wow, what an amazing I was listening
• 31:43
  Speaker 5: to an interview just a couple of years ago. It's
• 31:46
  Speaker 5: just like I've been singing since I was seventeen. I'm
• 31:48
  Speaker 5: in my seventies now. It's like, wow, you knew back then,
• 31:52
  Speaker 5: and you get to share that with people. I mean,
• 31:55
  Speaker 5: how many heartbreaks, how many first loves? How many breakups
• 32:00
  Speaker 5: did Bonnie Tyler like get people through or at least
• 32:04
  Speaker 5: help them, like extract a memory or a moment or
• 32:08
  Speaker 5: get in touch with the humanity of that.
• 32:11
  Speaker 4: That's amazing.
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: Do you know who she is? Tiff?
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: I know the name, but I would have to do.
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: Sang a song called Bonnie Tyler. No, of course not.
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: TIFF's thirty five years younger than her. She sang a
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: song called Total Eclips.
• 32:26
  Speaker 4: Of the Heart.
• 32:26
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, yep, which was kind.
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: Of a big deal. Yeah, and a few others. But yeah,
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: she was a bit of a And do you know
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: where she was born, Bobby, where she was from?
• 32:38
  Speaker 4: Well she was Welsh.
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yes, Craig, I do.
• 32:46
  Speaker 4: So she was Welsh.
• 32:47
  Speaker 5: So I figured, like your deductive reasoning skills, you could
• 32:50
  Speaker 5: have figured out that. Yeah, okay, I answered your question.
• 32:54
  Speaker 5: I don't understand what all the frictions about here.
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 32:58
  Speaker 4: I don't know, just feeling a bit of TI.
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: I think you're acting like your old boss right now
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: towards me. I think you're up at the back of
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: the room just staring at me like I'm an idiot.
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: I've got to say, I'm a bit scared if I
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: want to talk for a moment about mentors or people
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: that and let's take me out of the picture without
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: trying to sound like we got excited.
• 33:22
  Speaker 2: I was like, I've had a ripper of a mentor. Actually, well, I.
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: Mean you can if you want, but like, how have
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: you used mentors? What do you think? Do you think
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: everyone should use a mentor or my mentor? Everyone? I
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: just mean someone that actually cares about you, has a
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: vested interest in you. It's not well, it can be,
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: but what I'm talking about is not a commercial arrangement
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: or a strategic two way strategic alliance. It's just somebody
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: that wants to help you. What's the value for you
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: being in finding and I guess working alongside for one
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: of the better term mentors.
• 34:05
  Speaker 3: I'm a very big energy person, so mentors and what
• 34:12
  Speaker 3: I'll probably say is a circle of influence is important,
• 34:15
  Speaker 3: like being part of like for many years networking groups,
• 34:20
  Speaker 3: finding the right group of people, you know, when I
• 34:22
  Speaker 3: was in business to be around to grow and to learn,
• 34:28
  Speaker 3: and then finding people like yourself where I went. I
• 34:33
  Speaker 3: really resonate with what this guy teaches and how, and
• 34:37
  Speaker 3: actually I really like being around it and learning at
• 34:40
  Speaker 3: these workshops, and I just want to be immersed in that.
• 34:42
  Speaker 3: So that's why I very quickly badgered you to be
• 34:47
  Speaker 3: around it more because it's like, I don't want to
• 34:48
  Speaker 3: just come and learn and apply the things. Actually, I
• 34:52
  Speaker 3: want to immerse myself in the world that this guy
• 34:57
  Speaker 3: has created because it align with everything that I'm moving towards.
• 35:03
  Speaker 3: And I think you get the benefit of when you're
• 35:08
  Speaker 3: around people. You absorb how they think and what they learn.
• 35:12
  Speaker 3: You get to indulge in conversations that make you grow
• 35:16
  Speaker 3: just as a.
• 35:18
  Speaker 2: Just as a you know, I've got I don't think
• 35:23
  Speaker 2: of the word of it.
• 35:24
  Speaker 3: But you know, without it doesn't have to be sit
• 35:26
  Speaker 3: down and mentor me and give me lessons. It's like,
• 35:29
  Speaker 3: let's have conversations and you know, for.
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: You, incidental, it could be incidental and organic.
• 35:35
  Speaker 2: That is the word I was after. Incidental.
• 35:38
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but for you, for me, you were both a professional,
• 35:42
  Speaker 3: but then you very quickly became a personal mentor and
• 35:45
  Speaker 3: a very important I would almost say the most important
• 35:49
  Speaker 3: growth for me that I never expected was the personal
• 35:53
  Speaker 3: growth of our relationship of me trusting someone and having
• 36:00
  Speaker 3: conversations and being seen and being vulnerable and being honest.
• 36:06
  Speaker 3: But really, yeah, worth getting out of the bamboo for.
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: Or Yeah, but sometimes you just you just do something
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: like even say us training together, you know, with the
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: other band of misfits, right, But it doesn't have to
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: be oh, this is a mentoring session. No, we're just
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: in the gym. But we're always talking about shit, and
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: so there's teaching and coaching and reflection and humor and mentoring.
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: It's all just happening organically in the moment while we
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: happen to lift some weights and sometimes I'm teaching you
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: something about you know, biomechanics or anatomy or whatever, or
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: like I taught you the five adductors. You'll be tested
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: on those later. You're just looking at me with the like,
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: why do you need to know that? Who knows that?
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: I don't need to know it. But once it's in there,
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: it doesn't go away. Bobby's and Bobby's worse by the way.
• 37:09
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, but all of that.
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: Where it's kind of we didn't even you know, for
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: a lot of people, it's not like something that you
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: will range or you sit down and ask a question.
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: It's just something that evolves organically and then one day
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: you go, oh, I've had a mentor for ten years,
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: but you know that was never the plan. What about you, Bobby,
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: I know you've had mentors. But I want to know,
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: do you mentor people like you? Do you ever have
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: a person that you're the person they look up to
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: or you're their go to?
• 37:46
  Speaker 5: Well, I don't think they look up to me, but
• 37:49
  Speaker 5: I'm there go to for better or force. So I
• 37:52
  Speaker 5: think mentoring to be fair is one of the things
• 37:54
  Speaker 5: I've done best in my career. And it's not coaching.
• 37:58
  Speaker 5: It's very different, but it's developing people to a certain end.
• 38:02
  Speaker 5: And for a lot of times it's whether a trainer
• 38:05
  Speaker 5: or whether a public speaker. And I quite enjoy that
• 38:08
  Speaker 5: because I love sharing knowledge because one that's how I learned. Two,
• 38:11
  Speaker 5: it's engaging. Three I love watching people discover what it
• 38:18
  Speaker 5: is that lights them up. Yeah, and seeing that potential
• 38:24
  Speaker 5: in themselves, and like teaching a skill and watching them
• 38:27
  Speaker 5: execute and going, oh wait a second, like I could
• 38:31
  Speaker 5: become this, I could do this. That for me is extraordinary.
• 38:35
  Speaker 5: So mentorship has been a big part of my career.
• 38:38
  Speaker 5: It's how I lead teams, and in the right environment,
• 38:42
  Speaker 5: that's very productive. In the wrong environment, it's just it's
• 38:46
  Speaker 5: very difficult. I'm not going to get into that, but
• 38:49
  Speaker 5: I feel like everything that I've done in life has
• 38:53
  Speaker 5: been a direct result of mentors. I feel like if
• 38:56
  Speaker 5: I didn't have the right mentors at the right time,
• 38:59
  Speaker 5: and I wasn't open to it, and I wasn't impressionable
• 39:02
  Speaker 5: enough to be inspired by it, I don't even know.
• 39:06
  Speaker 4: I don't know what I would have done.
• 39:07
  Speaker 5: Like each mentor I've had has taught me pivotal things,
• 39:11
  Speaker 5: Like Mitchell the first. The first mentor was like, find
• 39:15
  Speaker 5: a way to serve people, Like the highest, the highest.
• 39:18
  Speaker 4: Honor you can have is.
• 39:20
  Speaker 5: To give all of yourself to service. And then after
• 39:24
  Speaker 5: him it was David Barton, and David Barton. What he
• 39:28
  Speaker 5: taught me was forget everything you think you know and
• 39:32
  Speaker 5: you could be or want to be. Identify like the
• 39:36
  Speaker 5: top skills and outcomes and focus on those strengths. Yes,
• 39:41
  Speaker 5: Like what is the highest priority tasks that you can
• 39:45
  Speaker 5: focus your energy on, and like sell out to those.
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 39:50
  Speaker 5: Neil Spruce a guy that I think you've heard of.
• 39:54
  Speaker 5: He was the guy that started APEX. He owned NASM
• 39:59
  Speaker 5: the years that I was there, and he taught me
• 40:02
  Speaker 5: about starting a movement, like identifying a purpose that other
• 40:08
  Speaker 5: people can see themselves in and how that creates magnetism
• 40:13
  Speaker 5: and draw people into that purpose. That they could feel
• 40:17
  Speaker 5: like wow, that that's their own. And he was one
• 40:19
  Speaker 5: of the I mean he was so mesmerizing. First time
• 40:22
  Speaker 5: I heard Neil speak, I was like, oh my god,
• 40:25
  Speaker 5: what type of voodoo is this shit? Like it's my
• 40:31
  Speaker 5: my first mentor Mitchell. He sends me to an all
• 40:35
  Speaker 5: week training program and he's like, Bob, I want you
• 40:39
  Speaker 5: to go there and figure out how we can do
• 40:42
  Speaker 5: this without these guys because they're nuts, Like they've got
• 40:46
  Speaker 5: like the same haircuts, they dressed the same way, They're
• 40:49
  Speaker 5: like militant, and he felt like the company had a
• 40:53
  Speaker 5: divide between everybody who was part of that company and
• 40:57
  Speaker 5: everyone who was not. He's like, I can't have this,
• 40:59
  Speaker 5: which is a fair point, and he's like, figure out
• 41:02
  Speaker 5: how we can do this.
• 41:03
  Speaker 4: On our own.
• 41:04
  Speaker 5: So I go there and I listen to Neil speak
• 41:08
  Speaker 5: for the very first time, and I've never experienced anything
• 41:12
  Speaker 5: quite like this. I mean, I've heard great speakers, but
• 41:14
  Speaker 5: not talking about fitness, not talking about altering body composition
• 41:19
  Speaker 5: like our direct world.
• 41:20
  Speaker 4: It's like, holy shit.
• 41:21
  Speaker 5: So I come back after one week in this training
• 41:24
  Speaker 5: and I've got the pleated shorts, I've got the Apex
• 41:28
  Speaker 5: polo on and Mitchell's like, holy shit, they got YouTube, Bob,
• 41:32
  Speaker 5: like what the hell?
• 41:33
  Speaker 4: Like, what are they doing there? Are they drugging you?
• 41:37
  Speaker 4: I was like all right, Mitch, we got to talk
• 41:39
  Speaker 4: and it's like.
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: Oh, you be an ambassador for the brand that hey
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: sent you to in full tride.
• 41:47
  Speaker 4: Damn straight.
• 41:48
  Speaker 5: And then when they linked up with NASM, it's like, Okay,
• 41:51
  Speaker 5: this is how we bridge it. This is how we
• 41:53
  Speaker 5: galvanize the team under one unified purpose a message.
• 41:58
  Speaker 4: But that changed my life. I was like, I just
• 42:01
  Speaker 4: want to do it. This guy is do it wherever
• 42:02
  Speaker 4: this guy. I just I want to do this.
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: I want to talk a bit about learning styles, and
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: obviously everybody, not everybody learns differently, So of course some
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: people learn the same as somebody else. Statistically that has
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: to be. But the way that I learn, like I
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: know that I'm learning when I'm retaining it and I'm
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: doing something with it. So hearing something's not necessarily learning,
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: just like reading something's not necessarily learning, even understanding it.
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: I guess it kind of is. But to me, the
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: like the proof in the pudding is what I do
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: with that thing that I learn and how I turn
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: that knowledge into some kind of real world behavior or
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: action or outcome. So I'm like you, I think TIF
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: I'm an experiential learner. Of course I can do the
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: academic thing. I like learning by doing, And when I
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: learn by doing, I almost never forget because that's an emotional,
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: emotionally embedded kind of thing. Because I did this thing
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: in real time, in real life with other humans, and
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: this worked and this didn't work. So there's that kind
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: of learning. But when I from a a more typical perspective,
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: when I hear something like a bit of knowledge or
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: a bit of science, or an idea or a philosophy
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: that really resonates with me, I have to go and
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: teach someone or talk to someone about that thing. Like
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: if I hear it, then I want to go and
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: talk about it, because when I talk about it, I
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: retain it, if not even put up a little post
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: about it. Like when, for example, you know, I've always
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: known that people think that other people think like them.
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: I've always known that and spoken about it that I
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: didn't there was a name for it. I didn't know
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: it was a field of research insight. It's, you know,
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: the false consensus effect. I went, Oh, that thing that
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: I talk about has a name, So then I think
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: probably that day I was talking about it on a
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: post or a podcast or in a conversation. But so
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: for me, it's I hear something and then I'll either
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: go and explore it. I'll do a bit of research,
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: just trying to dig into it as soon as I
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: can talk about it. And it's quite selfish because I
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: just want to embed it myself, and then when I can,
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: when it's appropriate, I'll teach on it. Yeah, that's my
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: the kind of the Craig protocol. What's yours? Like? How
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: do you learn stuff, retain it, and then benefit from it?
• 44:50
  Speaker 2: I am.
• 44:51
  Speaker 3: I am very much the same, I think, and I don't.
• 44:54
  Speaker 3: I don't think I understood it for a long time.
• 44:56
  Speaker 3: But the first instance I can recall was back when
• 45:00
  Speaker 3: when I just quit my real job to be a
• 45:03
  Speaker 3: full time PT and very swiftly had learned that i'd
• 45:09
  Speaker 3: torn the laborhm in my shoulder and was no longer
• 45:12
  Speaker 3: allowed to hold pads or show people exit like I was.
• 45:16
  Speaker 3: I had such limited movement and I couldn't box. But
• 45:21
  Speaker 3: over that period and it took was ten months of
• 45:23
  Speaker 3: rehab before I could get back to starting to actually
• 45:25
  Speaker 3: do boxing again. And what I couldn't believe is when
• 45:28
  Speaker 3: I did, I'd spent so long coaching people and understanding
• 45:35
  Speaker 3: human movement and watching it and kind of showing it
• 45:39
  Speaker 3: as best I could, I was a better box. I
• 45:41
  Speaker 3: was like, I'm a better box and my technique is
• 45:43
  Speaker 3: about how can my technique be better? When I have
• 45:45
  Speaker 3: not boxed for nearly a year, which was amazing, So
• 45:49
  Speaker 3: I think understanding and then you know, similarly using boxing again,
• 45:55
  Speaker 3: understanding when I trained with better people, but also so
• 46:00
  Speaker 3: trained people that weren't at the same level as me.
• 46:02
  Speaker 3: It was like teaching, it slows you down and it
• 46:05
  Speaker 3: just reinforces the things that you learn.
• 46:08
  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, Bobby, It's less important for me than it
• 46:15
  Speaker 5: used to be. I think it's important to understand what
• 46:18
  Speaker 5: your preferred learning style is because you'll engage with learning
• 46:23
  Speaker 5: more consistently, you'll be more focused, you'll have a lot
• 46:26
  Speaker 5: more concentration and enjoyment. All of these things facilitate retention
• 46:31
  Speaker 5: and recall. But I think it's more important to focus
• 46:35
  Speaker 5: on saturation and diversification, to tap into as many different
• 46:40
  Speaker 5: learning styles as you can. Like, if you're interested in something,
• 46:44
  Speaker 5: watch something, listen to it, read a book on it,
• 46:47
  Speaker 5: do it all. And of course for me, like you
• 46:51
  Speaker 5: explaining it, teaching it. If I could talk about something,
• 46:54
  Speaker 5: I retain it. If I cannot talk about something, I'm
• 46:58
  Speaker 5: not going to retain it.
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but it's a.
• 47:02
  Speaker 4: Matter of doing all of that.
• 47:04
  Speaker 5: I don't I'm really not keen on what's your best
• 47:09
  Speaker 5: learning pathway for me.
• 47:11
  Speaker 4: It's a matter of preference.
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, I have a funny story about mentors. Right.
• 47:19
  Speaker 1: So I've never really I've had a few people over
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: the years. In fact, quite a few of my PT
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: clients in the early days were invaluable. And one of
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: them was a guy that I liked him, but I didn't.
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: I didn't like him that much. But he was great
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: at what he did, and he was a bit brutal,
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: and he was a hard ass, and he owned all
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: these businesses, and he was probably what I needed because
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: I wasn't that I just wanted everyone to love me.
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: I was like fucking Humphrey Beer. I just wanted to
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: be everyone's friend. I was just a golden retriever in
• 47:58
  Speaker 1: the fitness industry. And but there was this one guy
• 48:04
  Speaker 1: who's quite high profile still but he let's just say
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: he works in the health wellness fitness space. I'll be vague,
• 48:14
  Speaker 1: but he's had his own television shows, and he's worked
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: in the media and done books and like when he
• 48:22
  Speaker 1: was doing his thing in the day, great really good
• 48:25
  Speaker 1: at it, popular, well known, well respected, and him and
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: I kind of bumped into each other a few times,
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: and I remember asking him if if I could just
• 48:43
  Speaker 1: and I'd never asked anyone. I didn't say, would you
• 48:47
  Speaker 1: mentor me? But I'd said, would it be okay if
• 48:50
  Speaker 1: I came to some of your events and I just
• 48:54
  Speaker 1: stayed out of the way and anything you needed, like
• 48:57
  Speaker 1: I would you know I do, I'd just like you
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: did with me, Tiff, like, and so you'd come to
• 49:02
  Speaker 1: my events and you'd work on the door and you'd
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: show people where to sit and not sit, and where
• 49:07
  Speaker 1: the toilets are and where whatever. Like you just you're
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: just like unpaid staff, but you're you're getting a benefit, right.
• 49:15
  Speaker 1: So I wanted that, and he goes, no, no, I'm
• 49:20
  Speaker 1: not interested, right, He just like just not not even
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: any anyway, no no kindness in it, just like quite brutal.
• 49:30
  Speaker 1: And I'm like, okay. So then fast forward now that
• 49:35
  Speaker 1: would have been thirty years ago, and then fast forward
• 49:40
  Speaker 1: twenty five years, and the wheels were falling off his thing,
• 49:45
  Speaker 1: like things weren't going great. He wasn't the big deal. No,
• 49:51
  Speaker 1: nobody was reaching out. And then he started reaching out
• 49:55
  Speaker 1: to me and just wanted yeah, basically wanted help and
• 50:03
  Speaker 1: wanted to at every opportunity. He is like, you know,
• 50:06
  Speaker 1: I'd love to come on your show and talk about this,
• 50:09
  Speaker 1: and I'd love to come on your show and when
• 50:11
  Speaker 1: you do your events, you know I would, I would
• 50:14
  Speaker 1: like he was, and I'm like, oh wow, this is surreal.
• 50:19
  Speaker 1: And unlike him, I was very kind and you know,
• 50:25
  Speaker 1: I didn't mention anything, but and I can't say too
• 50:28
  Speaker 1: much because I don't want people to figure it out.
• 50:30
  Speaker 5: But yeah, it's and I've always appreciated you letting me
• 50:34
  Speaker 5: on your show after.
• 50:37
  Speaker 1: Well back in the day when you were a big deal.
• 50:40
  Speaker 1: You know, all I wanted was a little leg up,
• 50:42
  Speaker 1: but you fucking pissed on me when I was doing
• 50:46
  Speaker 1: no good.
• 50:48
  Speaker 5: That like talking about like mentors and people in fitness
• 50:52
  Speaker 5: that we know that Boidy and ode like Boidie more
• 50:57
  Speaker 5: than anybody I've ever met. And I don't even think
• 51:01
  Speaker 5: if you asked him, like how do you do this
• 51:02
  Speaker 5: he isn't even now. But if you said we're going
• 51:05
  Speaker 5: to start this project and it was just grandiose, like
• 51:10
  Speaker 5: who would be the right team, Boydy would know exactly
• 51:13
  Speaker 5: who the right team would be, how to network, how
• 51:17
  Speaker 5: to pull those people together into a room. And Ian
• 51:22
  Speaker 5: is one of those people that is just so dynamic
• 51:27
  Speaker 5: and generous, Like he walks into a room and without trying,
• 51:32
  Speaker 5: he elevates the energy and psychological safety in the room,
• 51:37
  Speaker 5: where everybody feels a part of something, everybody feels engaged.
• 51:42
  Speaker 5: And I think it's like that generosity that has really
• 51:48
  Speaker 5: made these guys happy. Like I think if you had
• 51:52
  Speaker 5: ask them, what have been the best times in your career?
• 51:55
  Speaker 4: What do you enjoy the most?
• 51:56
  Speaker 5: What created that? It's being openly generous. I don't know
• 51:59
  Speaker 5: if it's ego or if it's scarcity. Like, God, I've
• 52:03
  Speaker 5: worked so hard to get where I am. I'm not
• 52:05
  Speaker 5: gonna help you. But if you do that, you'll be happier,
• 52:10
  Speaker 5: You'll be smarter, you'll be more engaged, you'll be more creative.
• 52:14
  Speaker 4: It's just anything worth.
• 52:15
  Speaker 5: Doing is worth bringing people along whenever you can. I
• 52:19
  Speaker 5: mean not anybody obviously, but the right people.
• 52:24
  Speaker 1: We might end on that philosophical and whyse not? Uh,
• 52:29
  Speaker 1: thanks Mike, Thanks Tiff, Bobby. Where can people get you
• 52:35
  Speaker 1: get me?
• 52:36
  Speaker 4: I don't know. Some people just don't get me, but
• 52:39
  Speaker 4: you know some people do.
• 52:42
  Speaker 1: Here. You are making this hotter than it needs to
• 52:44
  Speaker 1: pay again, fucking hell.
• 52:50
  Speaker 4: Yeah, so I'm gonna fire my pr agent. Yeah.
• 52:53
  Speaker 5: Go to Robert Kapuccio dot com, self helpantidote dot com.
• 52:57
  Speaker 4: Man, I'm I'm on LinkedIn, yeah, or you.
• 53:00
  Speaker 1: Are, And of course you can find tiff at Roll
• 53:04
  Speaker 1: with the Punches and Tiffany with two E's cook or
• 53:08
  Speaker 1: something dot fucking I don't know, but she's got a weight.
• 53:11
  Speaker 2: I'm everywhere she's tiking.
• 53:13
  Speaker 5: This conversation have been like in nineteen ninety nine, like
• 53:17
  Speaker 5: where can people find you?
• 53:18
  Speaker 4: They'd be expecting an actual place.
• 53:21
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, we're not there. Yeah we're not there now,
• 53:24
  Speaker 1: so that's a redundant question. But anyway, Uh no, you're right, But.
• 53:29
  Speaker 4: It's just weird, like when people say, like where can
• 53:31
  Speaker 4: I find you? It's like this virtual place.
• 53:34
  Speaker 5: It doesn't actually it's like, yeah, you know, I work,
• 53:36
  Speaker 5: you know, I'll be at the Italian restaurant.
• 53:38
  Speaker 4: I go over on Tuesday evening.
• 53:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Bobby's in the States. We're in Australia. We're having
• 53:44
  Speaker 1: a meeting. What do you mean you're having a meeting.
• 53:46
  Speaker 1: You're in different countries.
• 53:48
  Speaker 4: Yeap, So bizarre how advanced we've gotten.
• 53:51
  Speaker 1: Just choice, It could be the beginning of the end.
• 53:55
  Speaker 1: Who knows good? Everyone on that uplifting note, stey Ye