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AEW Brand Split is Unlikely? | Finishing Forbidden Door Booking · Ignition - an AEW Podcast

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It's Tuesday. You know what that means. It's time for Ignition with the
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aaw fan Hop podcast team. This is Kelson and this is Alex. I'm
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gonna take I guess a temperature check on what people think of Collision so far
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and thoughts on a brand split, like a hard brand split on Collision.
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I feel like we already do kind of have a soft brand split in regards
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to Collision. We have guys like FTR House of Black, Adam Copeland before
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he broke his leg. We've had guys that are mainly on Collision, even
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Brian Danielson for a while he was kind of a collision guy more so than
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a dynamite guy. And then we have on the other side of the coin,
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we have the elite, the young Bucks. I don't think Okada maybe
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Ocata has been on Collision once, but has ever been on But they did,
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they did. They did add her like to the intro video, which
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I thought was very interesting. Yeah. We but and we've also seen more
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people going back and forth. See I'm at a point where I think we
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need to have exclusive people who do not move and who you go to a
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show and and say his House of Black stays on that show and that show
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only, and for God's sakes, please keep the Elite on Dynamite so I
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can have a show I can watch without their dumb faces on there and her.
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You know, I don't need to see them every show, So keep
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them on Dynamite because that's their a show, and keep them away and keep
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you know, keep certain people, like I think back in the day there
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was five people that were there all the time on Matt. Now that you
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knew you went to that show, you would watch. So that's what I
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think needs to happen. Yeah, I think they have two identities, and
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when you have guys that are exclusive to a show, maybe it's easier to
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keep that identity because Dynamite's kind of the more faster paced trios matches Young Bucks
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Kenney Omega style and Collisions kind of FTR, kind of more old school guys,
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maybe even like a WWE style in a lot of ways. Let me
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ask you, let me ask Alex a question, and everybody else can chime
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in on this. Okay, So Dynamite and Collision have their own identities,
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which I don't really think they do, to be honest with you, they
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do, but they don't. It's not like a stretch. But here's the
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thing. Dynamites on Wednesday night gets many, many, many many more viewers
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than Collision does because Collisions on a Saturday night and that's a tough time slot,
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you know, especially for people the East Coast. I don't know if
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is Collision Net, is Coalision live on the West Coast at whatever time in
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the afternoon or is it eight delayed put on at eight o'clock. It's delayed.
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Yeah, we don't. We don't get it until apm oh wait,
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collisions on Saturday. No, I'm long, I'm sorry. No, we
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get it at five. Okay, so you do get to watch it live,
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yeah, okay, but on the East coast. Here's my point in
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all this. Let's look at the House of Black Okay, because they are
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the quote unquote what are the Collision faces. Okay, if they're not on
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dynamite, which they have been on dynamite quite a bit as well. But
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if they're not on dynamite, they're not getting any exposure whatsoever, because they're
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getting me less than well, I don't want to say half because I don't
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have the ratings in front of me. But Collision doesn't get anywhere near the
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amount of viewers is dynamite. Does do you think that putting somebody as a
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face on Collision is detrimental to their careers because nobody's seeing them. It's kind
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of seen as a you know, a demotion almost because nobody's gonna see them.
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I think people see them more than you think they see them, because,
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as we said, ratings are kind of archaic. I think I've always
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said that Saturday nights at that time isn't a good time anyway. But you
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but I think a show really needs that mainstay. If someone says you're going
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to watch that show, and they're gonna be on it. And when I
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watch Collision the highlights because I watch it later, I don't watch it live.
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When I watch it a lot, I think a lot of people watch
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it later. Yeah. We do the same thing for Diamond. When I'm
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working, I watch it later, and that's not reported in the ratings.
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And and and that's what blows me away by people saying, well, well,
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you know ratings are low, Well they're gonna be on a Saturday night
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when people are out and about because I forget it's on. But having having
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someone like the House of Black, who are interesting, who are more old
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school type type people who like the slower matches. I thought. I I
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watched clips of the House of Black versus Guns and it was very good and
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Malachai Black was on top of his game and and people want to see that,
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and maybe that's something to say, Hey, they're going to be on
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this, watch this, and maybe that's how you do. I don't know,
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but I don't think a total brand split as an answert right well,
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I think it's really important to have House of Black on Collision and maybe not
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have them as much on Dynamite, because yeah, they're they're a huge straw.
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And if they weren't on Collision consistently, Collision would just basically be Rampage
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and a lot of ways. And I I'm a pretty die hard fan and
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I don't watch Rampage often at all. You do need draws to bring people
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into Collision. You need like FTR is a huge part of why I think
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Collision oftentimes is like an even better show for me personally than Dynamite. And
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really, and I would say, you know, if they're they're getting you
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know, four hundred plus thousand, three hundred thousand viewers and I agree that
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a lot of people are watching it like online, people just watch YouTube clips.
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You know, ratings are slowly going away. WW gets the tenth of
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the ratings they got ten years ago. So, uh, you know,
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you do need if Collision is going to exist as a separate show, you
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need you need big names on that show. Yes, I want to I'm
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want to break in here because I want to pull everybody. Okay, I'm
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gonna go one by one, Just yes or no? Alex? Start with
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Alex. Alex, do you think that there should be a brand split,
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whether a soft split or a hard split? But do you believe that there
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should be guys you know or at women relegated specifically to Dynamite and relegated specifically
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to UH Collision as the faces of those brands? I would say no,
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but you should have maybe stories that are somewhat exclusive to one show or the
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other. Okay, what about you, Suddon? No, no brands,
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but there's none. There's not enough people and that's too much like WWE.
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Okay what about U MK? Yes, there should be. You need certain
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individuals you can put Tony Storm over on Collision and make people watch that.
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You have to give people a reason to watch it. If you don't,
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they're going to tune out, all right, what about you net No,
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no, no, okay, I'm gonna throw another wrinkle itt here. Okay,
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what we have a TNT championship, We have a TBS championship. Okay,
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what if we had a men and women's NT championship. What if we
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had of men and women's TBS championship, You could even not even I'm just
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using those as an example. You could make a men and women's you know,
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collision champion, men and women dynamite champion, you know. No,
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So I mean, that's just idea. I like the idea, and I
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get what you're saying. But here's the problem with that. How many times
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do you hear people complain we've got too many belts. They need to get
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rid of this belt, they need to get rid of that belt. Addam
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more belts ain't gonna do it. Well, if the belts actually have a
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meaning, they that does mean something. Yeah, But like the bw's tried
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this, like hundreds of times, they would try it, they would have
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a firm brand split and then six months later it would fall apart. And
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he has obviously done the same thing. It's like that tale as old as
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time. It's just repeated ad nauseum. So yeah, I think it's it
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makes sense in theory, but guys get injured, things happen. You want
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to put big stars on the other show, it just falls apart. I
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would love to see the International Bilt on Collision so that a way people can
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see Osprey on on Collision and once again give them a reason to watch him
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and put him up. It doesn't matter who he fights against. It had
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to be a brand exclusive guy. But if he's will be your face in
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the franchise, which he is him and mjfor right now, I think him
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mjfan Sport, but top three guys. So put a guy like Osprey on
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there who defends it every week or not all the time, but that storylines
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revolve around it, and put a guy like on that and let him test
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out if he can handle running with it, because he needs to prove himself
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other than you know he's to me right now, Serb and them are second
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fiddle to the elite storyline, so I think giving them a chance at a
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different show would help. Okay, what about you, Nutt, what do
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you think about Bred specific belts. I don't think so. I'm kind of
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of the camp that there are too many belts running around, and I think
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that AW needs to tighten some things up and bring some things in. I
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think there's too much going on with just a very few amount of people.
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There's big stories, but only like five people involved in the whole big story,
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and I think they need to do something to kind of concise everything and
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bring it all together. And I don't I don't see brand specific belts doing
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that. I think that pushes everyone and everything farther apart. Now I haven't
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given my opinion, so I'm gonna I'm gonna just my opinion in her Randomly.
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I'm kind of a similar mindset to NK. First things first, I
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think you do have to give people a reason to watch Collision, whether it's
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live or on DVR. But you've got to give people a reason to watch
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Collision, and that starts with better booking and better stories. Uh. When
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I talk about that, I'm in total disagreement with Alex because I honestly believe
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that Dynamite is by far the best book show. Rampage is booked far better
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than Collision. In my opinion, Collision is just a meaningless exhibition show to
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me right now, I mean not, there's nothing. There's nothing right now
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other than the insistent basis not there are some weeks, but there's nothing right
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now on a consistent basis that makes me go, oh, Saturday Night is
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coming and I gotta watch Collision. I look at Collisions sometimes with a sense
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of dread, like definitely Dynamite is the focus. But a lot of times
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they put on really good Collision cards. It's not every single week. I
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know we got a little too much Johnny TV in there for my liking.
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Oh good, well, but you have to like Dalton Castle, who could
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be a mainstay on that show. And I would watch more if Dalton Castle
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was on there. But he's stuck on r O eight and I have no
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idea why I agree with you there. I would watch more Dalton Castle.
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Here's the problem with this, Okay, you're talking. M CA said something
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about putting Osprey on to Collision and letting him run with it. What happens
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to the fans from Dynamite that don't watch the other and won't watch the other,
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And what are fans of Osprey's now you're gonna alienate them? There's no
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way to do what you want to do and make it where you're gonna please
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everybody. The show that I've watched almost every Collision, it's not that bad.
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They've had some bad spots, but Dynamites had just as many, if
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not more. Don't watch Rampage very often unless there's something I really really want
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to watch because Friday nights at that time I'm usually getting tired. But like
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like Alex said, it doesn't It didn't work in other companies. It's not
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gonna work in w NAW, it's just not gonna work. I can agree
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with it. Go ahead. Well, like I said before, though you're
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not oh number one. I need to promote it more because Saturday gets here
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and it's you know, seven o'clock and I'm like, not remember, but
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eight o'clock hits, I'm like, oh crap, it's on. Because I
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see Facebook. They need to promote it more and they need to say,
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hey, this is going to be on the show. Watch it, you
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know, not just sporadic random matches. I don't need to see Johnny TV
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all the time. I don't. There's fit people who are on there who
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who I don't need to see. But if you know fans like a certain
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person, why would you keep them off of there? And in return for
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people like like Shane Taylor promotions who no one gives a rap, well maybe
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they have the fans and their their fans are watching. We talked about We
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talked about this last week, and I agree with you FKA about the promotions.
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The thing that bothers me and I said this last week is that a
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W has been doing better over the last two weeks as far as promoting the
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shows earlier that they have before. We have a full back card already for
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Dynamite on pretty much. We had that on Sunday, but there's sometimes where
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Dynamite comes the day up and you have no idea exactly. But they've been
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getting better with that. My biggest problem with AW right now is that,
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look, the best way to promote their show is on social media, whether
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it's Reddit, Instagram, Twitter, Blue Sky YouTube. The problem that I
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have with AW right now is they've got their head shoves so far up the
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ass, thinking that Twitter is going to get them viewers and it's not,
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and even if it does, it's not the right viewers. And I can
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tell you as somebody who runs basically two subreddits, is that? And of
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course we have the Discord and if you pull we thune poll. People on
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Reddit and on Discord don't go on Twitter. So by just focusing on Twitter
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and Instagram and I guess Facebook. I'm not on Facebook myself, so I
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don't know what AW does on Facebook. But focusing on those platforms, you're
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missing out on a lot. But you don't have a Twitter account. And
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I would say, like one of the cards they post on Twitter get reposted
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the Reddit pretty quickly, just by fans just looking for you know, whatever
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karma. Yeah, but when's the last time you saw Tony compost on Reddit.
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When's the last time you saw he ever posted on Reddit? No one
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does right like you just posts on Twitter, it gets immediately reposted on Reddit.
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And yeah, I disagree with you, because sure some of the stuff
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if he says, gets posted on Reddit, add on YouTube or whatever.
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But you want firsthand because look, I mean again, there's not that many
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social media platforms out there that that to use. There really isn't. And
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if AW has a community manager, they should be posting this stuff on all
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of the subreddits and all of the Twitter accounts and all, you know,
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what I mean, their own they need to get out there. The problem
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with that is Reddit is not a very highly looked upon social media place.
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It's not. It's one of the worst looked upon places. So people aren't
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going to use it. They go to Twether, Twitter, good at that
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because that's where the wrestlers have the most exposure. They go on there all
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the time. It's just not the way it's done. They they aren't going
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to do it because when people if you talk to people and you say,
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Okay, I've got to Reddit if you're it's so it just looks like Reddit
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is like considered low class when it comes to the social media because I disagree
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with you, because Twitter is by far considered low class born and Reddit.
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If you go and look at the different companies and things that they do that
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have advertising and use advertising, you're going to see ninety percent more of them
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on Twitter than they're on Reddit. Because Reddit is a place that is it's
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kind of like using when you want to find on information and you go to
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places online or you go you know, and you go to the places that
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are edited and you do all those things. I don't understand what I don't
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understand what you're talking about, Well, like when you go to I can't
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think of the name of it right now, Where does everybody look for information
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for stuff? Right? Blank on me for a second? About Google?
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No, not Google, the one that you can edit for yourself. I
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can't Wikipedia. Okay, people look, what they consider Reddit to be is
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Wikipedia. Yeah, Reddit tends to be a little bit more intelligent discussion.
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I'm not saying Reddit redditors are smart people, but you know, Reddit is
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not like WWE doesn't advertise directly on Reddit. It's more about like anonymous users
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just reposting things. That's you could use WWE as an example here because WWE
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had the benefit of being the only company in the last twenty years was running.
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Yeah, but I don't think I think. I think both these companies
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are involved in Reddit. But it's anonymously. They use bots, they use
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people posting under other like they're trying to sway public opinion. But it is
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like generally public opinion. It's not a company's Twitter feed that you just follow.
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It's just it's different. It's different. As I'm saying is that if
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I had an upstart company, right and I had the opportunity to advertise on
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five social media platforms. I'm not just gonna say Okay, I'm gonna use
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three and not the other two. I don't know. Like if you were
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AW and you had an AW account on Reddit and you're like, A,
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W is a great show? You should watch it? Like that doesn't mean
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anything on Reddit. You want an anonymous user to be like, oh,
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I like AW, and you're just like, well, now people like AW.
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It's not a company telling me to watch their show because of course they
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think it's great. Some companies have advertisements where they just have have ads on
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there in between the messages, they have their their ads, and if you
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have an AW they can have an account and they could post pictures of their
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of their show another card. People. Yeah, that's true, But I
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don't think anyone engages with that because you know it's well, but you don't
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have to. You don't have to doing nobody engaging. Nobody ever has.
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But my point is is you still see it. You know, it's just
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like why are you? I don't under I have never understood aw's infatuation with
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basically Twitter and Twitter only and if it finds something else. Speaking, since
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I've been on Twitter most of the AW wrestlers that I followed went from having
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the little blue check mark next to their names to either not having any blue
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check mark next to their names anymore, or like hang Man Adam Paige,
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they've just disappeared completely from Twitter because it's so toxic. It's toxic. Sure,
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you're getting your name out there to many more people on Twitter. Possibly,
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I'm just saying that I'm speculating here, But are you getting your name
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out to the right people? Well, so toxic mercer a little blue chick
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markser gone for most people because Elon must change things. Yes, she got
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rid of that altogether for a minute, and then get back. It's not
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it's not just social media. I think I made this point before when aw
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came here to Seattle just a few weeks ago and I went to the show
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like Wressell Dream is going to be here in October. I have been losing
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my mind. I will talk to the average wrestling fan around town. They
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have no idea that Russell Dream is going to be here in October. And
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the same thing happened to me in Tulsa, Oklahoma. No, that's the
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problem. The week before get up there and promote that is that's insane to
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me because there are AW fans here. I see them, you know,
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and I'm one of them. But AW is not saying, you know,
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hey, Nett, we are coming to your town. You know. There's
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there's no connection there at all. Yeah, and that's crazy because nowadays they
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know that you're an AEW fan. They track your social media, they track
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your browsing history, and then they target adds to people. So I don't
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know if AW just doesn't have the money to spend to do that, but
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there's ways to do those things. Yeah, they there. I just can't.
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I can't believe Russell Dream. Russell Dream was here last year. It's
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like the biggest kept secret in all of Seattle. How is that possible?
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I mean, it's like four pay per views away. That's why it's possible.
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They haven't started advertising it anywhere yet because it's so far out that they
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have so many things in between that they're going to be advertising forbidden in all
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out. Yeah. But if you're going to have a pay per view,
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is that said? If you have a pay per view coming to Seattle in
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whatever month it is, what month is it meant? October? October?
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Okay? If you had wrestled Dream coming in October in Seattle. Start letting
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Seattle know, you don't have to win. Also Oklahoma or Atlanta, Georgia.
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No, you'd start letting Seattle know at least you know. But I
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will say this, you know, and as I said, aw has been
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getting better. And I'll give you an example. On Twitter, I saw
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a video advertisement posted by an All Eat Wrestling border show that's coming up in
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Allentown, Pennsylvania on Thursday, June twentieth. That's been up for you know,
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maybe a day now, but they didn't do that before, you know,
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So, combined with little things that they're doing better at, it is
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to me looking up, you know, they are getting pipe toward the match
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cards instead of okay, collisions on, let's go watch it and see who
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the help may show up because we have no idea. Yeah, you know
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that kind of thing hard. You've heard about rumors of Tony Kahan like booking
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things last minute, and and that's I think what that's the symptom of.
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They don't even know themselves what the matches are going to be, so they
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can't advertise them. Well, ironically, that's what Tony Khan used to say
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about Vincemanes. Maybe it's a little harder running a wrestling business than yeah,
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yeah, see it's easier for us to sit here criticize. But yeah,
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we don't know. So I want to move on. I want to talk
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about Forbid Door because we don't have have that many matches for Forbidden Door,
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at least not as many matches as we normally have for a pay per view
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right now. So it seems it seems rather logical to me that we could
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get another three to five matches for Forbid Door. Don't forget we still have
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zero Hour, you know, probably two matches at zero Hour, at least
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one to Phil. So my question would be, let's talk about, uh,
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who would you like to see it? For Bid Door or some people
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that have already laid out, you know, a challenge like Jeff Cobb that
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has not been answered yet. We've got mjf back, but he doesn't have
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a match of Forbidden Door yet. So what do you see? What do
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you think may happen if you have to, you know, book a couple
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of matches at least for Forbidden Door. What would you like to see see
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the Golden Lovers? I think you still heard book. He still hurt if
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Kenny can't come back. But and Kodo Bushi is all elite too, it's
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not even the forbidden door at that point. That's true. I really want
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to see Nick nam it and they're somewhere. I would love to see him
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versus m j F just because of the two top guys going at it.
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Uh. I think I put on you know that I suggested. Yeah,
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I also want to see a good U women's match. I don't know who
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else, but I think stat Lander needs to be there against somebody. But
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uh, you know, I'm there's just so many things. I don't know
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how to say his name, but search of the age, and it's the
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big guy versus Yeah, him versus Daniel Garcia will be interesting to see.
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Yeah. Well, one of the things that one of the things that you
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know, I agree with you on the women's match. One of the things
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that I had thought of for a women's match was having a TBS Championship number
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one contender gauntlet match similar to the one we just had with the men's for
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the h Yeah, for the TNT Championship down the road. And what I
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did was I put three a w there's nine women in all. I had
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three ae W, three CMLL and three from stardom. My aw women are
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thunder Rosa, Dianna Parazzo, and Akarushida. My cmml ones are Raina Isis,
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who was the Mexican women's champion, Zeusi, who we just saw,
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and and rama And the reason I put on drama in there is that she's
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twenty one years old. She's really young and she would be good fit with
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the startup girls that I have in or the startup women. Tam Dacanna,
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who has been on on record, is challenging Mercedes Bone anyway, Starlight Kid
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at a z M yeah, or a meaning Kazumi you know, so I
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think that would be a great match. But I agree with you MK that
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they need to kind of work Statlander maybe into this, or even Willow Night
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Gale to be a foil for Statlander. But I just think that that would
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be a good zero hour batch right there. Yeah, they got to start
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building more. I think you would lose out if if Nimits was not on
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there somehow because he's their big star. He's I believe he's a champion and
29:41
Japan and Mexico. I think you lost the Japanese title I think you lost
29:48
it to Leader of the Bullet Club Board Dogs David Finley. Oh okay,
29:56
he had the global title. They have a lot of titles in New Japan
29:59
as well. You know, there's so many names in New Japan and CMLL
30:03
and stardom that there's nothing booked for them yet. I mean, I mean,
30:11
what can you do? I mean, there's got to be something done.
30:15
Yeah, there's too many names like Finley and Nemus and god knows how
30:19
many others you know from New Japan that aren't aren't in here. You mentioned
30:25
Cob. I want to see Ward Low versus Cobb. That would be a
30:29
heck of a match. Yeah. I had a similar idea, but thinking
30:33
of like Jeff Cobb versus another book big Guy. I had Jeff Cobb versus
30:38
Samoa Joe as a potential. I had Jeff coppagainst Claudio Castigli Yeah vain Yeah,
30:47
basically big men's slapping man meet. Yeah. I want to see stat
30:56
Lander in a meaningful match. She hasn't been a meaningful matching forever. Really,
31:02
point I think it would be neat to have stat Lander and them on
31:08
opposite side and have a tag partner. I don't know who I'm not good
31:11
with names and said, but have those two do? I added, but
31:15
them not really touch a whole lot. But then, but the anticipation of
31:21
them going after each other would build a good manage. Well, my thing.
31:25
I had thought about that originally, I had I had stat Lander and
31:29
AZM against Willow and Starlight Kid because as I have been and uh, Starlight
31:37
Kid have a similar feud going on between that that Willow and Statlander have going
31:42
on the problem with that is at least tam Nakano out of it, you
31:47
know, and she's got to be in there somewhere. I'm sorry she does
31:53
start anything with Willow and stant Lander. We've seen so much in the last
32:00
year going together. It's done played out and it should move on. Honestly,
32:07
it's gonna be They're gonna have a blowout match and it's gonna happen maybe
32:12
the next pay per view. Yeah, I mean, look at what what
32:15
I said. I had theaaparazzo a dund Rosa in there, so I mean
32:20
it's just like I mean, but it goes back. We've got aws such
32:25
a large roster of both men and women, and of course, yes there
32:30
are women that are out like Jimmie Hayter and Britt Baker's Lee Hart. They're
32:34
all champions of Karshida Rijo. They're all champions that they have been nowhere to
32:39
be seen, you know, for months. It's you know, so we've
32:45
got to get aw has got to get their women's division back up to healthy.
32:52
It's the best word I can use, because if they're healthy, they
32:57
can challenge anybody. The best women's division in wrestling. Yeah, and that's
33:01
been and for whatever reason, since the beginning of the women's division, that
33:07
has been their problem. They have never been any consistent amount of time without
33:12
at least two to three or four of their top people hurt. Right,
33:16
So does anybody else have any more forbidden door matches? Yeah? I had,
33:23
I had a couple more. I'll leave it, maybe just at one.
33:28
But Yoda Suji, he's I think the biggest up and coming wrestler in
33:34
Japan and he's been nowhere to be seen and he's unknown basically by American audiences
33:39
that don't really follow New Japan. And having him versus Okada because yeah,
33:46
I think Okada makes sense because he left New Japan without really putting anyone over.
33:53
I don't know if he would actually lose this match, but it could
33:57
be he could make to Suji look good in defeat. Even who is John
34:05
guy? He's a little young boy over there, doesn't he that he hangs
34:08
around with? Who's that? That's gooda umao? I heard he actually got
34:13
hurt though he broke like a b think he broke his hip? Yeah,
34:17
geez, yeah he made it. But he said that he was going to
34:22
be back for g One, so I don't know. Probably he fractured his
34:30
hip ed he just located a vertebrate or so, I can't remember. Stay
34:36
it strained or sprained or something like that, a vertebrae. And but I'm
34:40
gonna be back for g One, I guarantee it. I'm like, okay,
34:46
it's just a flesh wound. The only other the only other matches I
34:51
would like to see would be something between the Bang Bang Gang and Bull of
34:55
club Board Dogs, because I don't that's a major thing between they. They
35:02
could happen that could lead to a lot. Yeah. I think the war
35:07
Dogs are like really interesting wrestlers in New Japan and they've never been featured in
35:14
a W so I think that would be great. How many a W champions.
35:20
Current a W champions are not booked for forbid Door right now. Well,
35:24
there's no uh no, that was That was another one I saw on
35:29
the U the uh subredd that was really interesting with having each company's tag champions
35:37
in a three way mm hmm t m d K or is that what it
35:42
is? T m DK or t d m K. The Young Bucks and
35:47
I'm not sure who were doing once from Mexico are but I think that would
35:51
be an amazing match, Magnus and somebody else the guy who so the So
35:55
the Bucks aren't booked for forbidda OCD is not booked. Ausprey's got the title
36:04
match, so those two are out the women's is there. That's about it?
36:10
Yeah, so we do have two major yeah, I mean you got
36:16
the Continental and the the tag titles that are not up for grabs, and
36:22
we also have the Trios. I don't know if it's a do Unify Trios
36:30
or whatever, but that's not booked either. So there are three different titles
36:34
for a W I guests that are not book yet for forbid doors, so
36:38
that both of those, both of those titles are in eliminator matches. So
36:44
I'm wondering if maybe they can use that as a way to get them on
36:51
a card. Maybe somebody actually went in an eliminator match and it's placed on
36:54
the card. Mm hmm. But they're both facing like no on Forbidden Door
37:00
opponents. Yeah, they got bucks and uh okay, we might even we
37:09
might even see all what Hard Cup matches and Forbidden Door. I mean you
37:14
never know. Well, yeah we're getting one. We did. I think
37:16
Shingo to Kagi. We don't know who he's facing. It could be someone
37:21
like Danielson and that could be a big match. He's another big name from
37:25
New Japan that can really put on a great match, So that'll be pretty
37:30
cool. They kind of have the same problem with everything else with Forbidden Door.
37:34
Got so many big names, now you're gonna do with them all?
37:37
Forbidden Door seems to be like it should be a two night event. It
37:39
really does. Yeah, seems like it needs to be a big thing,
37:45
a bigger thing. Yeah, And I think the issue is like they can't
37:49
bring in New Japan guys like for weeks on end. Tony kind of to
37:55
choose like one week to bring them in and maybe just them might not be
38:00
till next week. We see a bunch of people, depends on if they
38:05
have a show in the US or not. Yeah, and I don't think
38:07
they do. Like they've had back to back like New Japan shows, so
38:12
they're flying back and forth, right, Well we Alex, do you want
38:19
to talk about this fantasy booking of Forbidden Door with a draft? Yeah?
38:25
I think you know, we we've seen now. I think as there was
38:30
direct result of AEW doing the Forbidden Door working with New Japan CMLLL stardom.
38:37
You've seen. WWE actually announced that they're working with Pro Wrestling Noah. They
38:43
also sent the guide to All Japan Pro Wrestling, so they're kind of getting
38:46
in the Forbidden Door game. Well yea as well and DNA like it's gotten
38:54
crazy, dam So, I guess what? And I really doubt this would
39:01
happen anytime soon, But we could see WWE and Forbidden Door or WWE and
39:07
a W working together. And I think Sutton, you had some ideas on
39:13
how that would work. What what? I what? I You know,
39:15
they always talk about how you gotta do what's best for business, and in
39:21
the United States, what's best for business would be a W and WW working
39:24
together and the story I mean that's going that would be like the b All
39:28
end All for wrestling in the States. So I was thinking the other day,
39:32
you know, what would happen if they decided to come out at the
39:37
end of the year and say, look, we're gonna work together, We're
39:39
going to do a five man draft, We're going to have a forbidden door
39:44
event once a year. That's going to be just a w and w W.
39:46
I wouldn't be forbidden door, but you know what I mean? And
39:52
what would would My My thing would be who would you pick if you could?
39:57
And would there would that generate the interested in the past it would have
40:01
with the different companies that are around. How would it go this How would
40:06
it look this time? How would it be? Would it would it be
40:08
something that people would look forward to? No, I don't think it would
40:12
be. I think we're all too tribalistic right now for people to enjoy it.
40:16
That's just my feeling. I don't want to be negative, but that's
40:20
just how I feel. I think it could be really positive. Like a
40:28
lot of these people that you know hate AW because they're stealing guys from WWE,
40:32
and people that hate WWE and would never watch it because I don't really
40:38
know their reasoning. Well, I mean, there may be some moral reasons,
40:42
but you know, there's there there is a lot of bad blood,
40:47
especially on Twitter and places like that. But yeah, I think having them
40:52
work together would be maybe give those fans a reason to embrace them. I
40:58
don't think they're gonna hate a w I WWE is telling them not to.
41:02
You know, Well, the problem what what benefit is there for WWE?
41:09
That's my big question. There's no benefit, that's the thing. Well,
41:15
actually there could be. It just depends on how they handled it. Because
41:20
if they're working with AEW, then that might give them access to other companies
41:24
that a w works with, and the same would go for a w t
41:28
NA. All the companies that that that aren't working with them, now you
41:32
might be able to get a working Basically, it could lead to a complete
41:37
globalization of wrestling. Yeah, well, the only thing is, Look,
41:44
my biggest thing with a w's forbid door is that I've said this a million
41:50
times, this is where where do Japan pro wrestling stars come to lose?
41:57
The only way it would work is if there were tag team matches where you
42:01
had a WWE wrestler teamed with an aw wrestler, so what really matter who
42:09
lost? It would be more about the match rather than who won and who
42:15
lost. Yeah, I just yeah, there's a lot of ego involved in
42:22
wrestling, and we know WWE has kind of buried people who probably should have
42:29
gotten more shine light sting. How much gonna throw a sting out there?
42:31
He got screwed over a little bit by WWE, And I just don't think
42:37
they're the good guys. I don't know anybody. I pay attention to it
42:42
lightly, but I wouldn't. I want to ask, would you guys watch
42:45
it? Because I would not. I would watch it simply because out of
42:52
curiosity. This is from somebody who has not watched Forbidden Door one Forbidden Door
42:58
two because I just felt that it was too predictable. There's no way that
43:04
this person's gonna beat this person for that belt, not right now. Forbidden
43:07
Door three seems to be that way where there's a possibility that some belts may
43:15
change hands. And I think John Moxley is gonna lose his belt at Forbidden
43:21
Door three. And I really really really do hope that mean a Shirakawa beats
43:29
Tony Storm, because I think it would be not detrimental to Tony Storm,
43:32
and I think it will be just great for the story. Now, with
43:37
my idea of a a WWE and AW I guess mixed tag thing, it
43:46
wouldn't be about who wins or loses. It would be about seeing some of
43:52
your favorite wrestlers teaming together to face some of your other favorite wrestlers in a
44:00
exhibition. There's nothing at stake other than exhibition and just watching these guys that
44:07
these WWE guys that either you seen or heard about, wrestling with aw guys
44:15
that you've either seen or heard about, and see what they can do together
44:19
in a match. I think it would be a whot. Yeah, they
44:23
could have some really interesting matches. Like FTR has always talked about wanting to
44:29
work with the USO's, you could have like Kevin Owen's teaming with the Young
44:35
Bucks. Again, like a lot of these guys do have history beyond AWWWE.
44:40
They were on the Indies together and things like that, so it is
44:45
interesting for sure. Keep in mind, and this is something that I want
44:50
to point out real quick. It's keep in mind that there's very very little
44:53
discourse or hate or disrespect between the wrestlers of the two companies. It's the
45:00
companies that are showing to disrespect toward each other, you know, So these
45:04
wrestlers definitely could get along. Yeah. Yeah, it would be neat to
45:09
see Young Bucks and a New Day Takelon, you know, Usso's and I'm
45:16
trying to think of some you know and FTR together that'd be a neat combination.
45:22
See just an exhibition, but I don't know if I want to see
45:24
a whole paper view for it. But just like exhibition matches where it's just
45:29
together in this But I agree with what Kelson said. Yeah, there'd be
45:35
some cool ones like Kenny Omega versus seth Rawlins, you know, ones that
45:40
you're probably not going to see because guys are aw guys through and through or
45:45
WWE guys, and if it doesn't happen this way, then it's not going
45:51
to happen for quite some time. Yeah. Yeah. But the problem again
45:54
was like Kenny Omega and seth Rawlins, that that just is not a because
46:00
who nobody wins that match? The only way that especially older I think,
46:12
could lose that because he's kind of more in the twilight and it's not so
46:15
much about who wins or loses it's the fans that win regardless of who wins
46:22
or loses. It doesn't matter if n Omega would go against Seth Rollins,
46:25
or you could have like MGF versus Cody Rhodes. They're current champion and you've
46:30
got history there. Everybody knows about it. Both companies know about it.
46:35
I mean, the possibilities that are there two it's it's not about the companies
46:42
being who wins or who loses. It's about giving the fans something that they
46:45
get to win in the end, making wrestling fun exactly. Why making another
46:52
little suggestion, how about this hold the hold the w W W W W
46:59
E A E W Forbidden door at Montreal and everybody will be speculating about a
47:04
screw job too. You could do that anything. You could actually have a
47:15
screw screwjob to. It wouldn't be a match, but you could have Seawn
47:17
Michaels come out on one side and you could have h mister Hart come out
47:23
on the other. So you know that would be I mean, the the
47:27
the the the main idea was not to have it be a competition between the
47:34
companies, but for the fans, ye right, you know what I mean,
47:37
Because it's the forbidden door now is in a competition between the companies.
47:44
This is a competition between the wrestlers trying to give the fans something that they're
47:47
not going to get to see on a daily basis or on a weekly basis.
47:51
And if he threw in. You know, they keep talking about how
47:55
w W EAST talking about how they're changing and they're starting to work with other
47:59
companies. Don't think it's not down the road where they could say, hey,
48:02
we can make a ton of money from this, let's send somebody over.
48:07
Yeah, and in Japan they've done that, Like they've had companies that
48:13
are both the top companies in Japan and they do trade a guy or two.
48:21
Yeah, well, I just think, go ahead. No, I'm
48:25
just thinking with the changing landscape of wrestling these days and how things are changing
48:30
globally, that it's inevitable that it's going to happen sometimes. Maybe you know,
48:37
I'm not I'm not holding my breath because I kill myself right now.
48:43
But anyway, speaking of w W E and a W working together on stuff,
48:49
I know Alex wants to talk about this, so I'm not going to
48:52
really speak too much about It's it's everything you take it from me, so
49:00
Jim Ross, I don't know where. I don't know if he was drunk
49:04
or what the situation was. He was talking to the Fightful Select. It
49:07
was probably talking he was on the phone with Sean Ross sap after he had
49:13
had a couple and he was talking about we had recently been talking on the
49:17
phone to Shane McMahon. I'm sure they keep in touch their friends, and
49:23
for some reason the idea of Shane McMahon coming to ae W came up.
49:30
Uh, And I just think that that's crazy because, like you know,
49:35
Shane mman, the wrestler is is not something anyone's excited about in twenty twenty
49:44
four. Shane. Yeah, Shane mcman the ego, the McMahon ego behind
49:51
the scenes in a W Does anyone want that? No? No, But
49:57
then again, he's always she's always Nobody always says changed different than his dead
50:00
and he has been. I mean, well he's always been different, feeling
50:08
Go ahead, no, I just say. It only took Sha McMahon,
50:12
you know what, three months to totally destroy w c W if that,
50:22
but he still did. Yeah. Well, here's my thing with Shane,
50:28
Shane I think wants to distance himself from well with all his accusations and stuff.
50:32
I think he's trying to distance himself from it. And do you guys
50:37
really think that Shane that man doesn't know more about the business than Tony Khan
50:42
does. I mean Tony Khan needs help. If he was a silent partner
50:45
and not on screen, I don't need him fighting Darby Allen and throwing him
50:50
through panes of glass. But I but we need brain power. I mean
50:54
he knows the business. Yeah, I mean you have the brain power.
51:04
You have a mcnaon name. You know, he knows how to have to
51:08
put on a good match who who's good and talent wise, he's done more.
51:15
I mean if he would come in and be a silent partner and help
51:21
Tony Kahn book and just do that. Yes, he had the failed underground
51:24
w W Underground, but I think he had his mind in the right place
51:29
with that, because Barnett does that or whatever his name is. That the
51:32
blood sport and it works. But I don't think it worked for WWE.
51:37
But he has a brain why not. I wouldn't turn it down. I
51:42
don't know why people say no all of a sudden. If he has a
51:45
brain power, why not. I can think of two reasons. One,
51:51
he's a McMahon. Two, everybody's gonna can think that he's there to do
51:55
damage to aw that that yet they can think of what they want. But
52:02
that's the problem. Too many people are gonna say, why the hell would
52:06
you bring him in? Shane never impressed me as a wrestler, and k
52:13
Faber not. He never impressed me with being that big a brain, you
52:17
know. Granted his dad got to do everything and did everything in WWE was
52:23
all McMahon there. I don't think Tony Kahn does that bad a job.
52:28
He's doing a lot. He's doing a lot, and ninety nine percent of
52:31
the stuff he does works. He is up ship out about it. I
52:37
don't get. I don't see that every they do is better than the one
52:40
before. They don't. I mean, he's got it, he's got limitations
52:45
from injuries and stuff. But I just don't see a reason to bring Shane
52:47
McMahon in. It just doesn't make any sense. He's not an on he's
52:52
not an on stage guy, he's not an on camera guy, and there's
52:54
no use for him in the back because he might know talent, he's necessarily
52:59
meaning there's a aew No, I agree with that. Look, a lot
53:05
of the XWW guys back there who respect him maybe and you never know,
53:13
I don't know their feelings toward him, but if they worked him enough,
53:15
you know who knows. Yeah. But like I think WWE doesn't want anything
53:21
to do with the McMahon name right now. The last thing Tony needs to
53:24
do is introduce and incheck the McMahon name. Just from like a PR perspective,
53:30
I guess I think he would have something to offer behind the scenes booking
53:37
wise, just running a wrestling business because he has experience and maybe ten people
53:42
in the world have experience doing that though it's valuable, but you just don't
53:47
want his name involved. Who's the guy from TNA that left that's going to
53:52
be available in twenty twenty five. Is Scott Damore? Yeah, yeah,
53:58
yeah, yeah, that's somebody realistically comde w not Shane McMahon. Because I
54:07
totally disagree with say whoever said that that Tony Kahan doesn't need help with booking,
54:15
because he absolutely does. Because if it's not Orange Cassidy, Kyler O'Reilly
54:20
or Roderick Strong, we don't have a quarter of a show. But it's
54:30
a lot of stuff. It's like WWE failed at booking weekly television for for
54:35
thirty years. I understand the show is better now, but it's hard to
54:40
book weekly shows. But Tony Khan does book good, really amazing pay per
54:45
views. He does. I will give you that. The problem that I
54:51
have with Tony Kahn and his booking is that he gets enamored with a group
54:57
of wrestlers three to five, the six wrestler, and he just books the
55:01
crap out of him until I am frankly sick of seeing them on my TV
55:06
screen. And then what do I do? And you guys know this.
55:09
You know this because I say it and I do it. When I'm watching
55:15
TV and I see something that I don't want to watch, I don't care
55:17
whether it's a sitcom, a news channel or whatever. If I see something
55:22
that I don't want to watch, I change the channel. Aw is no
55:28
different if I see something on there, like tomorrow night, we're having that
55:31
match between it's the eight Way Match, and it's got Orange, Cassidy,
55:37
Kyle O'Riley, Rodert Strong and a few others. But all I can tell
55:44
you right now is that I have absolutely zero intention of watching that match because
55:49
it's been done to death. It's been done to death. I don't care
55:52
if you change the other three or four wrestlers. You know, the identity
55:59
of any of them just been done to death. And I'm tired of the
56:04
same, old, same. We need diversity of the booking. Well,
56:07
you're right, there is some diversity needed. But here's the thing. This
56:12
is Forbidden Door season. This is the time where they break away from doing
56:15
the regular main stuff and just do what do you call it? Before the
56:22
the uh point where a w stories go to die? Is that what you
56:25
said? It was something like that. That's Forbidden Doors. When is where
56:31
n J p W wrestlers come to lose? No, no, no,
56:35
you said it about when the book everybody was calling it something else? What
56:38
was calling Oh god, what did he call it? Still season? This
56:47
is this is this is the thing. There's not gonna be a lot of
56:51
storylines started now because Forbidden Door is in his storyline driven pay per view.
56:58
Uh, generally you're to some degree, there are a lot of matches that
57:04
are the same and it can be a pain. But like like I always
57:08
said, you know, I agree, it's one hundred percent that it can't
57:12
be difficult to add a lot of variety to a weekly show and to do
57:21
as a specific question about Forbidden Door, Sutton, Okay, Off the matches
57:24
that are booked for Forbidden Door, provided that you even know any of them.
57:30
Off the matches currently for currently booked for Forbidden Door, which one are
57:34
you looking forward to the most? Well, none of the probably the Nito
57:40
Moxley match. I think that's gonna be the best one this booked right now.
57:44
I don't about that one. There's no build up to it. There's
57:45
not going to be a build up to it. The only match's going to
57:49
have any build up for Forbidden Door would probably is going to be the Swerve
57:53
versus Ospring match. That's it. Yeah, but Tony Storm, That's how
58:00
had a lot of build like months, and but it's it didn't have any
58:06
this week. It did the week before, It didn't have any this week,
58:08
probably won't have any this coming week. I mean I'm talking about like
58:13
we're gonna have a big we're having. It's booked for Dynamite. That's so.
58:22
I mean, look the way I look at it, you meant you
58:25
mentioned, uh, what did you say, Dio versus? I could give
58:32
a rats as that. I can't remember anything being said about that except for
58:38
a for A that was that was, you know, Spree versus Asprey versus
58:47
Strickland. There's been nothing. Last week they closed the show. That's been
58:58
Yeah, they've been doing anything. Last week they stared at each other.
59:07
Do you want them to? Here's the point? Here's the point. Here's
59:10
the point. Every other pay per view except for Forbidden Door, they do
59:16
even if it's only a month's worth of build up, they'll build it up.
59:21
They don't do that for Forbidden Door. They don't do anything for Forbidden
59:23
Door. It's like Tony says, Okay, we've got this important thing that
59:28
we're gonna have all these other people in. We're gonna talk about the matches,
59:30
but we're not gonna do a lot of storyline because we don't we don't
59:35
have anything that the storylines are gonna lead to. Yes, the mirrors here
59:38
and the Ministerier Cawa and the Tony Storm match has had some build They did
59:44
some build with Osprey, and that one's the only one because it is actually
59:46
a bill to is the Osprey versus Swerve, But that that's not even me
59:52
a real Forbidden Door match because it's between two champions from a W but it's
1:00:00
on Forbidden Door. The point is after Forbidden Door is gone in two weeks,
1:00:06
they'll start building. These other stories will come out of it. Hopefully
1:00:08
the minasire Cowboy and Tony Storm and Mariah Maythan will be worked on. They'll
1:00:15
come out with stuff from Forbidden Door that they may not work into because they
1:00:19
take the time to just do some extra shows, put extra people in,
1:00:22
like Dalton Castle and like Donny TV a couple different times on Collision all year
1:00:29
long. You haven't seen him on Collision. When's the last time you seen
1:00:30
him on Collision these last two weeks during the Forbidden Door season. So it's
1:00:37
a chance that's the whole point they're not this is the time where Tony goes,
1:00:43
Okay, we can relax off a little bit. Let's get some other
1:00:45
people involved. And that's what they do. But I don't understand chance.
1:00:51
I don't understand why they're having two matches without any any involvement and for Indoor
1:01:00
Osprey versus Orb and then they're having this t n t UH ladder match.
1:01:07
I think there's two more participants there, and they both could be from other
1:01:12
companies. I don't know you. I thought Dante, Martin and them were
1:01:16
in it, and some other Dante, and then there's two more yet to
1:01:23
be determined. See I don't have the match. Yeah, it feels like
1:01:30
an a W match featuring yeah, exactly exhibition matches. I thought Shoda could
1:01:40
have won that because he's had history with Jack Perry and then they could feud
1:01:45
after that, But now he's hurt. So here's here's the thing. And
1:01:53
when it comes to Forbidden Door, we, as we've already said, we've
1:01:58
got a champions that have not are not a part of Forbidden Door yet.
1:02:05
We definitely got new Japan champions that are not part of Forbidden Door yet.
1:02:09
We definitely have Startom champions that are not part of Forbidden Door yet. So
1:02:16
I think that they've got a lot of work to do. But the problem
1:02:19
is is that there's only so many, so much time, and as I
1:02:22
said earlier, it's got the point where for Bidden Door may need to be
1:02:25
two separate nights. If a if a w'sh if a w's women's division was
1:02:36
not so decimated by injuries right now, I would even go so far as
1:02:39
to say, look, Saturday is women's night. M today is men's night.
1:02:45
I one get the other one. Amazing. That would be the best
1:02:51
thing that could possibly happen. I really do believe that CML C, m
1:02:55
L A W and Stardom women are that good. And let's not rush it
1:03:01
with the CMLL New Japan and AW men's divisions, because they're that good.
1:03:08
But you've got to have meaningful matches, not just where CMLL guys and New
1:03:14
Japan guys come to lose, you know, And yeah, Moxley and Data
1:03:22
look pretty much everybody expects Data to win. So so to me, that's
1:03:30
not a big deal to have a New Japan guy win a title for one
1:03:37
for Yeah, but what I'm saying it is is that it's exciting surprise.
1:03:43
I want to see something I told you. I've said it earlier and I'll
1:03:46
say it again. Mina Sharkwa needs to win the AW Women's World Championship,
1:03:51
plain and simple. But it would be I hope she does, because that
1:03:58
will really set up them for the next Hell, that sets him up for
1:04:00
the next three pay per views just with those three girls. But well,
1:04:06
but Tony has to have the cajonas to pull the stunt off and I don't
1:04:12
think he has. This is why I absolutely absolutely believe that Tony does,
1:04:17
especially since Tony spent so much time in Stardom. I think that Tony would
1:04:23
be absolutely willing to do that for Stardom. The startup needs it, Startom.
1:04:28
If eddy match needs to be won, I really do believe it's that
1:04:31
match because Stardom really needs that. That's shot in the arm because they have
1:04:36
to they have to bury Mira Gold. Yeah. Well yeah, they just
1:04:45
lost Megan Maine. I guess she's leaving and she's not signed W to a
1:04:50
W yet, so uh, you know, Barra Gold has taken quite a
1:04:57
bit of the roster of that tremendous amount, but they've taken quite a bit
1:05:02
of a roster away from Stardom and their Stardom's founder is now the founder of
1:05:08
marigold A. Stardom has still a fantastic roster. But having the a W
1:05:16
Championship and Stardom, even it's for two weeks, it would be a boon.
1:05:21
I've said it before and I'll say it again. It'll be a boon
1:05:25
for stardom and they need it and they deserve it because those women, I'll
1:05:32
tell you what you watch Stardom it ruins everybody else For me, I really
1:05:40
does. I mean, I look at other AW I look at WWE personally,
1:05:47
this type of wrestling that I like to watch, Stardom does. Yeah,
1:05:54
yeah, I think, yeah, I agree with you. But look,
1:06:00
let's let's move on. We made a post today as a matter of
1:06:06
fact that it exploded on the AW fan hub subreddit and what the post was
1:06:13
about was about and we've talked about this before, but I think it bears
1:06:16
being talked about again because the Young Bucks are the AW Tag Team champions And
1:06:30
the question was does anybody care about the Trio's division and AW And I want
1:06:36
to just give you what a large percentage of the people did say and I
1:06:44
and it shocked me because a large percentage, I would say, the majority,
1:06:49
said yeah, we like the Trio's division more than the tag teams.
1:06:58
Now, that may have a lot to do with the junk Box being hated,
1:07:01
you know, and disrespected or whatever. You know, So people don't
1:07:06
want to say tag teams because the Young Bucks have them. Yeah. Yeah.
1:07:12
It was kind of shocking to me to see that because I said in
1:07:15
the past that I believe the trio's division should just be gone and AW should
1:07:23
concentrate on the tag team division because tag teams are historically what you have wrestling.
1:07:31
Maybe it's a younger generation Kelsen, Uh, maybe younger fans like to
1:07:39
see the chaos and said because because that I was younger and Nitro had a
1:07:44
Loutrador, they had something called uh Luca libre ruled where if one person went
1:07:49
out of the ring and the next to come in with that attag and I
1:07:53
loved watching it was because those guys were flying in and out of the ring
1:07:56
and it was exciting. Uh. I'm a mixed bag on the trios to
1:08:00
be honest with you. I think there should be for special times and not
1:08:05
for it. But if the fans want it, you know, as they
1:08:09
say, you got to get the fans what they want and they may just
1:08:13
have to bite the bullet and go with it because there's a whole variety of
1:08:16
people. But the young Bucks killed the momentum of the tag team division.
1:08:24
Life opinion plus injury plus injuries I agree on and I think the problem is
1:08:31
with the tag team division aside from Big Bill and them having the titles before
1:08:36
they took it with stinging Darby who've been to champions the last two years,
1:08:42
it's either been FTR or the Bucks. And you have really great tag teams
1:08:47
in ae W, but they're not getting the exposure. The reason why they'll
1:08:54
never get rid of the triple the trios is because with having such a large
1:08:59
roster and having so many people available that they want to get in. That's
1:09:02
where those matches come in because three per side beats two and gives you more
1:09:08
people per show. Yeah, but and I don't see where everybody has this
1:09:12
problem with them having a trios division and a tag division because it doesn't take
1:09:16
away from the thing because you can schedule like, okay, so tomorrow we
1:09:23
have the Young Bucks versus the Scissor Gang. Okay, the Acclaim versus them.
1:09:29
It's going to be a tag team. Nobody's going to be allowed near
1:09:30
the at the side of the ring, so it's just going to be the
1:09:33
Acclaim versus the Bucks. But if you didn't have the Acclaim as a trios,
1:09:42
you wouldn't have Daddy Ass being involved. And people love Daddy Ass and
1:09:49
they can they can do them separately. They can do a tag team match
1:09:53
on Wednesday and then come on Friday, or Saturday and do a trios match.
1:09:57
So I don't see where there's an issue where it's you know what I
1:09:59
mean. But you can let me throw something out there. Let me throw
1:10:03
something out there. Okay. Uh, look at the meaningless trios matches that
1:10:10
we've had, m H. All right, and then go do some research
1:10:15
and look at how many tag team wrestlers have been injured and taken out the
1:10:20
commission and those meaningless three Well, yeah, I get that, But the
1:10:25
reason they have so many meaningless trios matches is to get the guys on the
1:10:29
roster, to get them in the matches. That's why they do it,
1:10:32
and it's not going to change because they have too many people. Yeah,
1:10:40
honestly, yeah, I I'm ay, you know, but a private party
1:10:47
had another person, they added one more person in the private party, they
1:10:51
could join that trios and stuff. But like I, like I said,
1:10:57
I just feel that it's it. It doesn't work for me. I don't
1:11:01
want to see it because I'm old school and I much more enjoy uh tag
1:11:06
team matches where there's that desperation to tag, where I don't feel the hot
1:11:11
tag is as hot as when you have a trios I agree, that that.
1:11:16
Of course, when you have the Trios batches, you get that stupid
1:11:19
ass spot where everybody just kind of waits around ninja style and that they one
1:11:24
guy does his move on one guy, that the next guy gets up and
1:11:27
does his move on the guy that just in the move, and it keeps
1:11:30
going until everybody's laid flat on her back in the you know, all over
1:11:33
the rings. They do it every time, and it's the dumbest thing I've
1:11:38
ever seen in my life. I agree there, that's just laziness on the
1:11:42
wrestler's part. Well, yeah, like I thought on Dynamite last week,
1:11:48
we had the Trios match that I know Kelson hated, Orange, Cassidy Callilly
1:11:54
and Mark Briscoe the Conglomerate versus the Heels, and I thought that was my
1:12:00
favorite match on Dynamite. And then we had So Black versus the Bang Band
1:12:06
Gang on Collision and that was my favorite match maybe the whole week. So
1:12:13
Trios has a lot of potential, and now they have you know, the
1:12:16
Christian Cage, the Patriarchy year going after the Trios title, House of Black
1:12:21
are now good guys all of a sudden, like the crowd taking everybody on
1:12:29
one on one. I'm pack seems to be sided with the House of Black
1:12:36
for whatever reason, I don't know. He's always upset. Well, he's
1:12:45
feeling his emotions. Remember he asked them to make him feel something, so
1:12:50
he's experiencing all his emotions. He did get spit in the face a couple
1:12:57
of times. So going on that, Dalton Castle might be teaming up with
1:13:04
the what's the hell in the name of that tag team that came out with
1:13:08
him on Saturday The Yeah didn't somewhere somebody say that they might be a new
1:13:14
trio to if you if you look at Dalton Castle, he's had a revolving
1:13:20
door of people played the Boys. Yeah, but this is going to be
1:13:26
the boys. From what I saw, it wasn't going to be the boy
1:13:29
It's going to be him and the Outriders. They're going to be the Outrunners,
1:13:32
not the Outrighter run and it's and that was a one time thing.
1:13:38
I would be shocked, shocked, absolutely shocked if if the next time Dog
1:13:44
Castle shows up anywhere that the Outrunners are with him, it'll be somebody else
1:13:50
time. Oh God, God, even with mascot, I'd still booth them.
1:14:01
God, thank you for ruining my good time. Yeah, that's your
1:14:09
favorite trio. I wish that they would uh Roderick Strong Eddie Kingston just for
1:14:21
one night and he come back in his wheelchair yelling at everyone. So I
1:14:31
think the best way to fix the trio's division and make it more fun is
1:14:38
to stop having the mixing match groups and just strictly go with like like you
1:14:44
said, Alex, last Wednesdays was a great one, Saturdays was a great
1:14:47
one, but those were normal triple teams. They weren't thrown together into a
1:14:51
match. I think if you took that out of it and just made it
1:14:56
a true category and had those guys in it, you could get to other
1:15:00
people and put them in tag teams and try to rebuild the tag team division.
1:15:04
Yeah, it just seems to be like we're seeing I called it groundhog
1:15:10
Day yesterday. We're seeing the same matches and the multi MN matches where three
1:15:15
on three or four on four it's groundhog Day. It seems like they're doing
1:15:18
the same match over and over and over again, which is one or two
1:15:24
different people in them. Well, this one Tomorrow Night kind of does have
1:15:27
some implications for the uh upcoming Forbidden Door because it does have Mors Cassidy on
1:15:33
one side and Zach Taber Junior on the other. Yeah, but it also
1:15:38
but again my point is don and I you know, if it has an
1:15:43
implication, I don't know because I won't be watching it. I have no
1:15:46
interest in seeing that I missed the best match of the night. Again,
1:15:50
I sincerely doubt that that will come even close to be at the best match
1:15:56
of the night. I don't know. Zach Zaber's supposed to be one of
1:16:00
the greatest technical wrestlers in the game, so you know, not Attagon there
1:16:03
is, but there is Roger Roderick Strong's in it. So yeah, there
1:16:06
you go. Eddie kinks to get back soon so you can join join that
1:16:16
man the one yesterday. The Library's terrible, It's isn't it though? I
1:16:26
mean, come on, Eddie, get well soon, you horrible wrestler.
1:16:31
It's gonna come back and join the Undisputed Kingdom. Oh god, no even
1:16:36
could be started on the un Disputed Kingdom. Seriously, what the hell are
1:16:43
they? What are they going to be? What they grow up? Nothing?
1:16:46
Never going to grow up geese. I mean, it's like what a
1:16:49
waste of wrestlers. Yep, about Tony's booking. That's what needs to be
1:16:57
fake ideas that aren't work. He's got such dedication to what he's doing,
1:17:06
but he doesn't realize, Like, see that piece of ship over there on
1:17:10
the ground, I am really dedicated to that piece of ship. I'm kind
1:17:14
of thinking to Cole to be honest, I think, yeah, maybe his
1:17:21
friends. If he's doing it, If Poll is the one behind the Undisputed
1:17:28
Kingdom, they should just freaking release call right now. Seriously, just because
1:17:35
you just let it go. What is it about the Undisputed Kingdom? You
1:17:42
don't like? They're okay? So here's you asked the question, I'll answer
1:17:48
it. Yeah. Look, I am sitting here doing this podcast, and
1:17:54
in front of me is a wall. It's a it's an older wall.
1:17:59
It's got fades on it. It's beige, but I think it used to
1:18:02
be white, but it's beige now. Uh, at that wall, it's
1:18:09
more interesting than the Undisputed Kingdom. Oh, they're just it's just like they
1:18:15
are dry. There is nothing interesting about the Undisputed Kingdom at all. They
1:18:20
have no storyline. Roderick Strong, is that the fact a leader now that
1:18:27
Adam Pole is gone and Roderick Strong is he sounds like a twelve year old
1:18:31
to be I don't know why, but he does when he talks. He
1:18:35
is not imposing in the ring at all, and his character is wishy washy
1:18:41
now Canny Wreussell. Yes, but he's wrestling in the Undisputed Kingdom, which
1:18:45
makes it stupid. It's like two mules fighting over a daisy. Who cares?
1:18:50
Okay, I can see that. Yeah, Tavian and Bennett are r
1:18:56
o h. Guys. That's where their level it should be at R O
1:19:00
h. That's it. Adam Cole is the best thing about the Undisputed Kingdom.
1:19:05
And he's in a wheelchair now. Yeah, I think he's walking now,
1:19:12
But six months ago he was. Five months ago he was the best
1:19:16
thing in the under my lioner, Am I telling the truth in a wheelchair
1:19:19
five months ago with a broken leg? Was he the best thing in the
1:19:21
Undisputed Kingdom or not? Yes? Yeah, I think they're lackeys and they're
1:19:30
just they've overstayed. They're welcome, they they're not going to do anything interesting,
1:19:34
not even let them in the door. Well, and the whole thing
1:19:39
with no one wants to see Kyle O'Riley with the Undisputed Kingdom. They just
1:19:45
want to see him do something else. But here's again, and no one
1:19:49
wants to see it. And here's the thing about about that whole situation.
1:19:55
Last April, I believe it was April of last year when Orange cast he
1:20:00
won the International Championship, right, and then he then had what forty four
1:20:10
whatever the hell, I don't care title defenses that were basically every week,
1:20:15
and it was the same match every week with very little differences. All right,
1:20:21
Buddy was least he was winning Kyle O'Reilly in the last And I may
1:20:27
be wrong here, but including tomorrow night, I believe I'm right I did
1:20:30
due to math yesterday, but I don't remember out up I had in the
1:20:33
last sixty seven days, which is a little bit over two months. He's
1:20:40
had fifteen matches, but he just got back though. I mean he's had
1:20:45
fifteen matches. That's one match every four days now. In those matches he
1:20:53
is five and nine now, depending on whether he wins or loses tomorrow night,
1:20:57
that would be the fifteenth match tomorrow night. But in those match seasons
1:21:00
five and nine, So it doesn't matter if you just got back or not.
1:21:04
I don't want to see the same and it's nothing against Kyle O'Reilly.
1:21:09
It could be Tony Storm, it could be Jamie Hayter, it could be
1:21:14
Tenny Omega, it could be anybody. I don't want to see the same
1:21:17
wrestler on every single show. You're saying saturated. He's saturated, and you
1:21:29
know that's like, yeah, I mean Orge Cassidy. I love Orge Cassidy.
1:21:36
I just don't want to see him anymore. I would rather see uh
1:21:41
Kyler Riley versus uh that Saber Junior than I would want. I don't want
1:21:46
to see Orge cast wrestle anybody for like another year. I've seen enough for
1:21:53
two. Yeah, but Kyle style, I like, I mean, I
1:21:58
get it. It's just my point is is that you're over Tony Kahn.
1:22:04
Like I said, he gets dedicated to something and he sticks up on TV
1:22:10
week after week after week. If they're not wrestling, they're doing, you
1:22:15
know, a backstage interviewer rushing the ring. They're seen way too much.
1:22:19
And meanwhile, you have somebody like Wardlow who isn't used at all, and
1:22:28
yet we're seeing Kyle O'Reilly multiple times a week. Nothing against Kyle O'Reilly.
1:22:33
But if you took Kyle O'Reilly one appearance a week off of Kyle O'Reilly,
1:22:40
that would still mean he was on once a week instead of twice a week,
1:22:45
and put Wardlow on there, then you have here's the thing. The
1:22:49
argument has been made, and it was made tonight that the reason why they
1:22:55
have the Trio's division is because they can get more wrestlers out there from the
1:23:00
roster so they could be seen. No, that's a great point, but
1:23:04
that's not what's happening because it's the same wrestlers every single time. Tell me
1:23:12
what I'm telling lies. I'm happy that they got Brian Cage off because he
1:23:17
was there every week for he was in the kylo'illy role for like two months.
1:23:24
Yeah, and I much prefer yeah, just get the crap beat out
1:23:28
of him too, which is insane to me. Oh, he's just inflatable
1:23:33
muscles. Inflatable muscle that way. Well, and a lot of people don't
1:23:41
think that that that that Wardlow has that unlimited potential. He's kind of he's
1:23:46
kind of got himself pigeonholed into a certain type that you know, I mean,
1:23:53
he's kind of like Brian Cage but but but different a little bit.
1:23:57
But he's doing that thing that you just wardlow as an example. But you
1:24:00
could pretty much put your hand into the hat filled with little loose pieces of
1:24:04
paperword wrestler's names on to pull them out and you'll find somebody they could use.
1:24:09
Frankly, I'd rather see Serpentico than than Orange Cassidy in a match tomorrow.
1:24:15
I want to see I want to see the I want to see what's
1:24:17
his name from the librarians? Come back? What you're talking about? Peter,
1:24:24
Peter Avalon Peter. But yeah, you know they should have like a
1:24:31
guy like Okata wrestle a little bit more and have Roderick Strong wrestle a lot
1:24:38
less. Yeah, I think they need to use the top of the roster,
1:24:41
the best guys they have and identify who those are and feature them more
1:24:45
and spread them around. I think if you're a heel in aw you do
1:24:49
not defend your title unless you're forced to, and then if you're a good
1:24:55
guy, you defend every single lea. Yeah, but see, I don't
1:24:59
think that's the case with those three titles or those two titles, because I
1:25:01
think that just happens to be part of the storyline because it's with that storyline
1:25:09
they don't They are more or less running the show, so you know they're
1:25:14
not gonna They're not going to wrestle very much. So that's edition for tonight.
1:25:17
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